h2-for-new-players

[trail blade]

If you have Glamor Gain, then any weak enemy is also prone to the damage bonus. It's relatively large. It's the entire range of your standard Axe attack, for example.

You generally get a feel for it as you play.

[trail harness]

but how can you can tell when it’s active or not to get the feel for it

is there an indicator

[trail blade]

When your numbers are bigger :p

Aphro's damage is so massive that you'll notice.

[wary night]

tbh I also just mainly take it on weapons where I don’t have to worry about the range limitation.
if you have it on a melee weapon you won’t really need to care 🤷

[lunar quest]

wow that's the first time I died to his eagle

he had literally 1 hp

that zoom in attack is easy until all those enemies show up

sometimes there's just nowhere to run

it would be nice if my dodge was just maybe 2% longer

[chrome python]

best thing to buy with the purple currency?

[pale breach]

Hey yall, i took the daedelus upgrade on the axe where I only use the final smash as the attack. Is there any way to trigger that after a dash without needing to dash strike first?

[upper apex]

where do I get ||bronze||?

[vivid flare]

||Up||

[calm path]

can you repeat ||chaos trials||?

[primal trench]

Yes

[primal trench]

Stop sprinting before you press attack

[calm path]

how does that unlock?

[primal trench]

Afaik you just do, no need to unlock

[calm path]

||i've done 6 and there's no option to repeat them||

[primal trench]

So when you click then again nothing happens,

[calm path]

oh it's an incant

[primal trench]

Interesting

[stiff hawk]

||the true ending in hades 2 is that i give chronos a second chance?||

[pale breach]

the true endgame is minmaxing your candy wrappers

[shy zephyr]

you should spoiler mark this bruh

[stiff hawk]

first im sry and second idk if it the true ending

[shy zephyr]

that's the credits yeah, there's an epilogue you can get for more story

[stiff hawk]

what do i need to do for that

for extra story

[shy zephyr]

you know the minor prophecy about ||rescuing the fates||? go read it again

[pale breach]

Glowing coal is my favorite boon

[stiff hawk]

k i will

any tips how to use aspact of medea good

im using pc

[primal trench]

Left click>right click

[shy zephyr]

zeus on special and any good %boost on your attack

[stiff hawk]

how do i get darknes

[tidal moss]

Chaos

[stiff hawk]

thx

[elfin granite]

It's gonna be awkward taking my hand off the controller for that. 🤔 /s

[elder jetty]

are cast builds still good or nah?

[shy zephyr]

they're far better than h1 I'd say

[elder jetty]

yeah in h1 i only used the cast for the increased damage buff

[shadow linden]

there were super good cast builds in H1, hunting blades was hilarious

but that said cast is more widely useful than just a small damage buff, and there's a lot more effects that stack rather than cancel each other out

in h2 I mean

[elder jetty]

yeah i saw you can stack multiple boons on your cast, but is it good enough as your main damage?

[shy zephyr]

on some aspects yeah

[tight mantle]

Whats a good weapon for a Hephaestus blast build?

[shy zephyr]

persephone skull

[tight mantle]

And if someone doesn’t perhaps have that aspect yet?

[shy zephyr]

any staff or blades aspect

[primal trench]

Persephone or hidden daggers

[tight mantle]

Gotcha! Thank you both!

[wanton plover]

for me though, i like the aspect of moros for it

[primal trench]

That's alright

[wanton plover]

sooo that's why her name is ||dora||, cool

[calm path]

is it still possible to buy ||star dust|| from the wretched broker?

[mighty pilot]

yes

[sage bramble]

||wth is that after prometheus, as if he wasnt hard enough lol, got wrecked by ???||

[primal trench]

Xdd another bites the dust

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[sage bramble]

yeah, moved on from hades to ||chtulhu eldritch horror sim||

[primal trench]

Enjoy

[sage bramble]

hey at least i got a new incantation for the statues, hope that helps lol

[woven crag]

hello am i allowed to ask about ||olympus|| here or do i need to go in a specific channel?

[tidal moss]

Go for it, just spoiler tag

[woven crag]

||So in olympus, whats the difference between the exit doors vs the ones where i get shot up(?). Is it like in tartarsauce where i get to the peak faster when i choose the up exit or...?||

[mighty pilot]

tartar sauce LMFAO

[tidal moss]

no difference, the tartar sauce is delicious tho

[shy zephyr]

they have a few differences in terms of how the room generates but they don't affect how fast you go through the biome

[mighty pilot]

I thought it was faster hahaha glad I know that now

[shy zephyr]

just pick whichever reward you like the most

[woven crag]

so its just the same room to next boss, got it
thanks guys
glad you like my tartar sauce joke

[mighty pilot]

idk if its because its 5 am but it really got me 😆

[idle gorge]

I tried momus rank 4 and it was kinda good so I guess I understand even if it wasn't with optimal boons

[hazy lion]

Just started the 1.0 release. Awesome game guys and girls!

[calm path]

have to ask again, how does it unlock? do you have to do enough ||trials||?

[barren bronze]

We need a mod that makes those red ghosts always visible even from the distance

[ebon rain]

I don't think I understand how the Oath works. Spoilered in case it needs to be spoilered here
||Is it possible to get more than one Nightmare per run? I'm incrementing Fear up slowly, and I'm getting one bounty per run, for a single boss, for a single Nightmare. ||

||If I increase Fear in larger increments, do I skip/miss Nightmare rewards permanently?||

||Is there a point at which I start getting more than one per run?||

[primal trench]

||1 nightmare per run, you have a bounty per weapon, it will say for example daggers scylla 12 fear, that's your target with the daggers and the least amount fo fear needed||

[fickle carbon]

I got 2 nightmares a couple times for boss kills

[primal trench]

Uh? That shouldn't happen

[wary night]

I think some of the high fear ones give 2 nightmares for one boss? been a minute so idr
but it's still one bounty

[primal trench]

I dont recall getting 2, unless this was changed

[shrewd salmon]

i got 2 or 3 for ||chronos||

[tight mantle]

Can someone help me understand why i can’t get godsent hexes
Because rn im using the aspect of selene
With the ares keepsake
And vicious flourish
And yet at the end of my path of stars its only prism and cascade

[frigid tapir]

hi guys, whats the best two sources of magick regen when using magick-heavy aspect of moros builds?

[grim ocean]

any idea how can I check all the resources I have?

[wise locust]

Dpad right iirc, or up

one of the two

[grim ocean]

keyboard xd

[wise locust]

check controller settings for inventory screen I guess?

I button?

[tall plover]

Yes, I key.

[grim ocean]

yeah got it

[primal trench]

The godsend isn't at the end, is somewhat around the middle

[wise locust]

I answered the guy in #h2-builds-and-combat

[primal trench]

Oh they haven't even unlocked the thing

[wise locust]

yeh

[tight mantle]

Does it have a greenish boarder around its icon like duo boons do?

[primal trench]

Sort of yeah

[wise locust]

yes

it's really obvious in the path

it has its own branch

[primal trench]

Yup, it even gets added after if you find the god after you've spent some points

God bless this change btw

[wise locust]

You can see the path before that point btw

[primal trench]

Yes, but it doesn't show the godsent until you get the god

[wise locust]

yes

but you can see the shape and upgrades you've otherwise been rolled right after getting the hex

[primal trench]

Indeed

Click the hex then press i for info, dont know about controller

[wise locust]

Y button

or whatever special is mapped to by default

[primal trench]

I should learn the controller keys so that I can help controller players better

[wet mountain]

Hey guys about hestia bond || how much you need to decorate for hestia bond to forge? is it the total amount of kuidos or the number of items decorated? ||

[grizzled zodiac]

Man the jump in difficulty from Hades 1 to Hades 2 is quite steep

I cleared Hades 1, 32 heat in less than 50 nights from when I started playing

39 nights in and I still haven't beaten the surface lol

[tidal moss]

It do be like that sometimes

[primal trench]

The single dash effect, yeah people was used to dash spamming so you were virtually invincible, now here you actually gotta dodge attacks

https://tenor.com/view/invulnerable-gif-22484955

[merry ingot]

so i'm not quite a new player- did early access runs right up to when unseen dropped

i ran into eris every night of my first ten and i beat the game in just under 40

i say all of this because i think my progression is out of sequence

i have all the requirements the wiki says is necessary for godsent hexes- but lo and behold, with keepsakes equipped and everything, no godsends ever show up

whasthatabout

[pallid moss]

It’s been a hot minute but I think you might have to chat with Selene a bit more?

[merry ingot]

do i need to butter the gods/selene up with some more nectar or did i softlock myself by going too quick

also per progressing too fast i've been very stingy with the nectar i find because i wanna upgrade the familiars first and foremost- i was used to the hades 1 post-keepsake nectars not doing much besides opening up more dialogue/quest opportunities

[split karma]

If I understand it right we can get 6 Nightmare per weapon by using fear and hunting each of the Guardians which shouldn't be enough to max all weapons, so is there anything else or do I just slowly accumulate the rest by buying Nightmare when I can from the broker?

[wise locust]

There's fated list prophecies that grant nightmare

[merry ingot]

fulfil the heck out of some prophecies

[primal trench]

Broker, Charon shops, prophecies, incantation for end zone

[merry ingot]

a lot of the ones that grant nightmare don't require heat to my knowledge

[split karma]

I have two prophecies that grant Nightmare and one of them is the one that gives 8 for defeating all the buffed Guardians

[merry ingot]

you can technically do that fangless with the selene monuments

[split karma]

I don't think I have Selene Monuments unlocked yet so I'll look forward to whenever I get that

[merry ingot]

"defeat your foe" enemies come with perks so they help grind that prophecy out with or without vows

[trail harness]

any boon recommendations for || supay || ? with torches i normally like chain lightning / scorch builds but this one seems so much slower

[merry ingot]

get both underworld and surface troves arisen, they're prerequisites to the monument raising incantation

[primal trench]

Blitz

[trail harness]

on attack or special?

[split karma]

Oh I think I know what you are talking about, I already unlocked that. I meant the prophecy where you defeat Guardians with the Vow of Rivals.

[merry ingot]

oh total misread lmao

my apologies

[wet mountain]

Did anyone bonded fully with hestia here?

[wise locust]

yeh, but I had everything bought before the end of EA so I have no idea

[jagged garnet]

ye

I don't know if it's 10k kudos, but after I got the achievement next time I talked to her it unlocked her bond, and then the run after that I could gift her the final Ambrosia

[wanton plover]

Will i unlock all hidden aspect if I just played or are there some which are really hidden and you have to do something to trigger it

currently missing 4 so far

[dense anchor]

just make sure to max out an aspect of each weapon (that is not melinoe's aspect)

[wanton plover]

oh is that the only requirement, and talking to certain npcs?

[dense anchor]

yep!

[wanton plover]

okayy thankss, and lastly, is there a secret boss here in this game except for ||zagreus and vow of rivals though||

[primal trench]

no

[wet mountain]

Thanks for the reply i appreciate it

[primal trench]

||zag|| is the secret boss

[lofty lotus]

So i have been watching these videos and ive noticed before they go on a run they have something like fate sealed or something. i have beaten the final boss 4 trimes and surface none. whats this fate sealed or something

[pearl lark]

hey guys i dont know if the answer to this question is a spoiler or something but I encountered|| the chronos portal thing where he teleported me to asphodel (peak hades 1 reference) but I managed to get out barely. What would happen if I died there since he kind of locked my ability to teleport back to the crossroads (i think)|| (very early chronos thingy) I'm still quite early in the game so just curiosity

[primal trench]

just rerolling the seed

[wise locust]

You need 7 of each end boss resource item to get the incantation

[primal trench]

same as regular death

[pearl lark]

ah alright

[wise locust]

it unlocks the ability to reroll a run seed, only relevant if you've used Undo Night because the opening boons/rewards weren't useful to your build

because if you do Undo Night and try again without it, you get the same things happening at the start of the run

[lofty lotus]

also someone said a certain keepsake is very good with fate something whats that other fate something. sorry i cant remember details

[primal trench]

post credits keepsake

[wise locust]

All three post credits keepsakes only function if you have zero rerolls enabled

[primal trench]

||the 3 new keepsakes added with 1.0 revolve around being at fates whim, which means no rerolls or olympian keepsake||

[wise locust]

so no Champions or Enchantress arcana

(And no Fates either, but that's implied)

[lofty lotus]

are they really strong enough to merit such a big downside

[wise locust]

They are INSANELY good

[primal trench]

yes they are

[wise locust]

the first one you'll likely get is meta-shifting

[primal trench]

especially if youre me and never used rerolls, so they have no downside

[merry wharf]

ive beaten chronos two times now and reached ||typhon|| once should i be carrying on just going on beating the final bosses for a while or is there a certain path thats the best?

[primal trench]

it doesnt matter

go wherever you wanna go

[trail harness]

i do not understand how the descent to chronos works . i swear i just made it to him after only being offered 1 boon and hades gift ):

[wise locust]

The game will tell you when you need to focus on the other route

[primal trench]

sounds normal to me, whats wrong with this

[trail harness]

i feel like i normally get 3-5 offerings

is it not the same every time?

[primal trench]

nope

one time you get 5 one time you get 2

[wise locust]

kinda normalised, but it isn't the same

[primal trench]

ive actually had runs where i only get the npc

[wise locust]

the game goes through a system of at least offering you each from a set of possible rewards before looping around

oh wait, we just talking about zone 4?

[primal trench]

yeah

or so i assume

[wise locust]

okay yeah, at the start of that zone, the game rolls a number between... 2 and 5 I think, and that's the maximum number of side rooms you can see

or is it 3-6

[primal trench]

i have had only 1 many times

[wise locust]

either way, in that zone, the only possible side rooms are NPC (VERY heavily weighted), Miniboss (very weighted), Hammer (if you don't have 2 already), Big Path of stars, Family Dispute, triple pom and 300 cash

you can get a single boon if you roll a fountain chamber, but they're rare

[trail harness]

i was looking forward to some triple poms

[wise locust]

Basically your build needs to be functionally complete by the end of zone 3, for both paths

you also can't get duo boons during a family dispute, so the odds of getting one of those in Zone 4 is extremely low

[dark breach]

Now most of my Arcana Cards are ||Epic. Just beat Chronos with 8 Fear. But the Torches of Melinoe make it easy tbh.||

[little fossil]

I'm using aspect of persephone, and i'm reading that I should be able to see a bar charge up when I do damage with olympians so I know when "Sprouting" is charged, but I don't see anything. Am I blind or is that old info or...?

[tall plover]

There's a little circle meter next to your HP/Magick bars, whenever it's fully filled it will gleam.

[little fossil]

oh like the skull count indicator? that would make sense. thanks

[primal trench]

no, is a blue circle

erm meter

[little fossil]

right but it's next to the 4/4 showing how many skulls i'm holding

[primal trench]

oh yeah sure

thats your aspect meter, some others also have it

[tall kernel]

Why would I use star dust to make nectar? Seems like not a good idea

[primal trench]

Because you dont need star dust now and need nectar?

[frigid tapir]

what benefits are there to maximising relationship status with the boon-giving gods?

[primal trench]

cute sticker by the keepsake

and dialogue

[wise locust]

Once you've upgraded all of your arcana, there's not a lot of use left for moondust

[tall kernel]

Star dust is not moon dust. I’m talking the stuff from chaos trials

[tall kernel]

How much star dust is needed

[wise locust]

oh that stuff, yeah

[upbeat sedge]

Use it to get cute skins for your pets

[wise locust]

same really applies tbh, once you've used it up for its main purpose

[upbeat sedge]

The moon dust skins are all quite good

Especially toula with a hat

[tall kernel]

I’m early enough I have a lot of things left to unlock.

[wise locust]

oddly the Narc offering that gives stardust is often a really good pick for the elements alone so I've got a lot of the stuff that way

[primal trench]

idk, but it doesnt matter, if i have need for nectar now and not for star dust then im doing

[trail cairn]

answer with just yes or no. the ultimate goal is to ||unravel Chronos and Typhon||, after doing that, do they keep appearing on runs?

[lofty lotus]

is hidden coat really that bad

what the hell keyboard

[upbeat sedge]

Yes. Similar to hades 1, the gameplay loop is unchanged even once the story is concluded.

[trail cairn]

i would have expected that, except that here the goal is to obliterate the big bads, so i was curious

[prime mica]

its not but the playstyle doesnt click for some people

[wise locust]

Like with a lot of hidden aspects, don't just focus on the gimmick the aspect text talks about, experiment with the different basic moves in the movesset

shiva's basic attack combo and Omega attack is WAY Better than the regular coat's

[lofty lotus]

ill rephrase my question

is hidden aspects gimmick really that subpar and clunky compared to other hidden aspects

[wise locust]

not really? I think shiva's biggest criticism is that it doesn't stray far enough from the base aspect the way the others do

[lofty lotus]

ive heard a lot of people say that without the hammer that makes the omega special shoot straight in front of you, or the hammer that gives you stacks of destructive when you block with the omega attack you should just forget about the special and not use it

[upbeat sedge]

The special is good

It just takes a lot of magick to sustain

[lofty lotus]

also artemis feels weird can i make ir feel better at all

[wise locust]

you can just tap fire the regular special during your attack pummellings like the coat normally does and it's fine

Ospecial is also a lot of damage, it's just hungry

[tall kernel]

I guess I don’t understand the relationship boost now if that’s worth either locking me out of what star dust needs later or making it much slower than I desire just for the purpose of speeding up relationships now which might not be worth going fast.

[lofty lotus]

also can i just keep dying lover and over again to unlock supay or do i need to be finishing the run

cuz i got the reqs but it still isnt popping

[primal trench]

not worth for you, some people might prefer that and they have option to do so

[tall kernel]

Do you eventually have use for what the guardians drop after you unlock all the weapons and incantations and arcana? Like can you convert them to bones or something?

[primal trench]

you cant sell them, but some crossroads decorations require them, and i assume the new ranks will do too

[tall kernel]

Ah, so there is flavor and aesthetics to unlock later.

I was just wondering if I don’t have need for pearls tears and sand now if I just die after Hecate if that’s all I needed for nightmare for example.

[primal trench]

you will def end up with much more than you need

[frigid tapir]

why do i get a 0cost lunar boon at charon this run?

[primal trench]

you fought a secret boss perhaps?

[lofty lotus]

why is he not giving me the phrase

am i not supposed to have one flame at level 5

oh wait i dont have eos unlocked

that must be it

[primal trench]

even when you meet the requirements you still gotta play the dialogue slot machine

[lofty lotus]

whats the best way to build momus

[frigid tapir]

how do i activate other god's favours in my hex? so far i've just been getting zeus

[shy zephyr]

every hex has one specific god for its godsent, which one are you looking for

[trail harness]

does the conquer the surface mean making it to the end with the heat number or getting to that heat with every weapon

[shy zephyr]

just win a surface run with that much fear

with whichever weapon and aspect you like

[trail harness]

anyone have tips for morrigan boons? i’ve been going apollo attack and ares special but unsure what else or good duos to go for

[shy zephyr]

try hestia attack with zeus special duo and their duo maybe

[trail harness]

i know the attack can put multiple scorch procs but i feel like i rely a lot more on blood triad than attacks for damage

[shy zephyr]

then do hera attack

[trail harness]

ill definitely try that next

i feel like in general tho i never know which boons to go for after my core build is done

[civic sparrow]

i just wanna say ||the summit|| kind of bs

[upper iron]

BS how?

I finally beat the boss there the other day

And with weaker builds, I got wrecked. BUT with the last unlock for the flames I made a broken build with olympian debuffs and won

[civic sparrow]

||all the damage are so high some of the attacks are almost unavoidable and they will deal crazy damage almost every foe there does a crazy damage||

[upbeat sedge]

Every attack in the game is dodgable

Just takes practice

[upper iron]

It really does. For the first few times against the guardian that charges you I couldn't even get it to half health.

With a build that used Froth, Frozen, Scorch and Hangover, I shredded them, and the ||eyeball guy||

[quick iris]

you might need the dust of a starry system to encounter the furry companions of night

MAYBE

[sly linden]

Yup practice is key but that's the fun part

[upper iron]

I'm intrigued. It seems the full release has some secrets I still have yet to discover

Unless there are only 5?

[quick iris]

it rly is at first. with the gun snetinels watch out for when they cover themselves in a shield they are basically invulnerable and a tip for going up top try and get morph from selene, it can get rid of all of the troubling ones. makes it leagues easier cause its best to have as uch health for prometheus since he hits hard!

[quick iris]

6 of them. secret one

but i dont wanna do spoilers first time ive been in here so idk how rules are for it especially since its new player channel

[upper iron]

Thanks 😊

[trail blade]

Spoiler everything post-Erebus but you can post it here.

[upper iron]

Spoiler tags are $?? I forget

[quick iris]

no problem friend. ive been playing since day one of early access so know most

omg forgot abt spoiler tags

ty diva

[upper iron]

Ah okay like this ||spoiler tags||

|| before and after

[quick iris]

but toula is pretty much

best always

[weary tartan]

I remember when ||the summit|| first dropped in EA and everyone sorta had the same reaction lol glad to see it's the same

[quick iris]

speak of the kitty

toula lover is here

[weary tartan]

summoned

[upper iron]

I played since about that time too, but didn't go too hard on recent patches, I still wanted some surprises and progression at launch. I just unlocked ||the skins for frinos, but I'm not seeing any more for the other pets... Do I need to beat chronos with other pets to unlock it?||

[quick iris]

i remember the wave of nerfs

[sly linden]

What's the exact % of ||hex duo boons|| going off?
Maybe I missed a number somewhere, if it even says

[hybrid meadow]

Is there no Moonlit Essence from Shadow anymore?

[frigid tapir]

can you off and on the music shuffling in crossroads? just did the incantation

[trail blade]

100% if you have the upgrade, but they only occur the first use per room.

[elfin granite]

what do you mean? it's not chance based

[sly linden]

Oh because sometimes it's just the selene version and sometimes it's the god one

Is it a God usage at every hex cooldown then its just selene until next Cooldown?
Is that what the +1 godsent usage upgrade means

[elfin granite]

It's what Alicia said. Godsent is only once per room (the first activation). If you grab the next upgrade, you can use it twice in boss rooms.

[sly linden]

Ohhhhh

Ok that makes way more sense

Ok ok right +1 in guardian fights

Aright sweet very clear thanks a lot 🫡

[hidden solstice]

Hey guys been a member here for a couple weeks, but ive got my first question

Trying to unlock the hidden aspects now, do i have to have the weapon wielded im trying to unlock?

Ik you have to have an aspect of the weapon fully upgraded, and theres certain people you have to talk to, is there anything im missing besides?

[vivid flare]

Have all 3 aspects unlocked

[civic sparrow]

i really hope so. when i remember first reaching ||mount Olympus|| was really hard but with a few runs now it's less hard at least so hopefully that the case with ||the summit and Typhon||

[vivid flare]

And they changed the requirements in 1.0, it's now "have 5 Nightmare invested in the weapon"

[civic sparrow]

also that's what i thought but i literally got a hit while it was loading for the next room and lost a df lol. not sure if this was a bug or not.

so it was frustrating

[thick ice]

Okay so for ||what appears to be the final Chronos, I’ve now now died to him twice without understanding why - I dodged the big red attack but then still took ~500 from something||…?

[restive swallow]

Oh it happens more than once :p

[thick ice]

Yeah, but it’s not what killed me! ||Is this a new move||…? I haven’t lost this encounter in a long time before this!

[shy zephyr]

did you happen to dash attack

[thick ice]

Not into the ||red attack||

[shy zephyr]

dash attack instantly removes your iframes, for the instakill it's recommended to sprint for 0.5 sec before attacking

[shy zephyr]

I can't really help without a video, was it UR chronos?

[thick ice]

Nope! I’m not sure what’s going on. I haven’t died for a long time so I’m confused how I’m dying now - almost feels like the final one had an extra move lol

[shy zephyr]

i recommend having steam background recording on it's super useful for everything

[thick ice]

Playing on switch 😢

Oh well. Swapped back to ||DD||s, should be easy now

[dark breach]

Ha! And I got ||Typhon a second time. This time with 6 Fear. I know not much but still I'm happy 😄 Not sure if I will ever be able to beat him with another weapon than the flames though. Being to stay away definitely helps||

[shy zephyr]

does it not have an option to record the last 1 minute of footage like playstation

[ripe trellis]

what god works well on pan special, aside from poseidon? wanna try sth else

[shy zephyr]

maybe hera

works great with trick knives but idk without

[tight mantle]

So how do the chaos trials work? Is it literally just doing a whole run? Or is it just one region?

[thick ice]

||One region||!

[primal trench]

most are one region, theres 4 of them thats a full run

[tight mantle]

Also follow up question, where do you get darkness?

[primal trench]

chaos room

[pale breach]

Hello darkness my old friend

[tight mantle]

Could you elaborate?

Cus ive been there before and not found any darkness

[primal trench]

cause is rng

[quasi epoch]

Gotta keep diving in them

[indigo cloak]

I believe Chaos gives you the first one for free through dialogue and then they start showing up -- just keep talking and it'll pop eventually

[tight mantle]

Wait is it like, what you get from digging or smth? Do you fish it out?

[indigo cloak]

It's a pick-up

[elfin granite]

No, it's picked by hand, but you need a dialogue from Chaos to unlock it.

[primal trench]

is the "flower" version of chaos, you just grab it

[tight mantle]

Oh like moly got it

[quasi epoch]

It'll just be floating there after you get the first one.

[indigo cloak]

Yep! It only starts spawning after Chaos mentions it in particular

[tight mantle]

Thanks!

[slow kelp]

Looks like a big floating dark tear

[lofty lotus]

what do i go first for momus

[ripe trellis]

does gust count towards origination?

[quasi epoch]

It does.

You can do scorch + gust and it'll trigger origination by itself. It just cant be gust + demeters cast since gust is hers.

[ripe trellis]

oh, thats what it is

[quasi epoch]

Yea, any of the casts that does some effect like aph, Apollo, hestia + gust will all trigger by itself.

[ripe trellis]

yeah i didnt know about the double demeter thing, sometimes used without realising it doesnt work

[quasi epoch]

Yea. Double Dem doesn't work because Origin says at least 2 curses from different Olympians

[ripe trellis]

note to self, dont shoot skulls while standing in safe zone on chronos p2, died because it pushed me slightly out of safe zone

[polar laurel]

Wait is this implying simply being in a cast is a status effect?

Oh no you're saying with gust nvm

[quasi epoch]

Yea, any of the casts that inflict something, scorch, flood, weak, daze + gust from Dem will trigger Origin.

It just cant be Dem's cast + gust.

[polar laurel]

Ya it's pretty great

Demeter is one of my favorite secondary gods

For the gust

It lets you get away with bad building and still trigger orig

Also the omega attack damage buff is extremely funny with the right aspect

The amount of times I've accidentally superbuffed my omega attack while doing circe runs is high

[quasi epoch]

Tbh, I like the cast system in 2 a lot more than 1

[polar laurel]

Definitely

Mostly at time 2/3 tho

Without vow of time Mel is a lot more prone to spam long range weak stuff until enemy dies

[ripe trellis]

when i start ||jeweled pom||, can i take god keepsakes starting biome 2?

[dense anchor]

how do I get the achievement ||denizens of the depths||? I've caught all types of ||fish||

oh nvm, I think I need to deepen my relationship with ||poseidon||

[jagged garnet]

gotta rizz ur uncle

[serene laurel]

||You’ll no longer be at the fates whims: you’ll retain your hades boon, and any boons with increased level from jeweled pom, but future boons won’t have the increased level from jeweled Pom.||

[spice sun]

Do you think Poms gonna get nerfed

[trail harness]

how do i give ambrosia to zeus and hera? it says “after his immediate concerns subside”

[tidal moss]

Absolutely

[tidal moss]

You need to keep playing

[trail harness]

is it when i finish the incantation that lets me || kill typhon ||?

[tidal moss]

I think so yeah

[rancid rapids]

Do boons and other abilities affecting the omega cast specifically effect Charon aspect?

[opal plume]

Guys I just got the option to remain with moros. Do I accept? Is there any downside

[tidal moss]

Wdym?

[tidal moss]

There is no downside

[opal plume]

Alright I'll choose yes

[rancid rapids]

I never said there was one

[tidal moss]

What?

[rancid rapids]

Take geyser spout for example. Would the Cleve cast from Charon still gain power from that boon?

[tidal moss]

Yes

That's the best omega cast boon on charon

[rancid rapids]

Cool

[serene laurel]

Prominence flare is also great

[tidal moss]

Very true

[serene laurel]

Apollo is just amazing on Charon overall

[tidal moss]

Lucid gain goes crazy

[trail cairn]

how good is ||Selene coat||?

[tidal moss]

It's ok

[wary night]

it's okay
better once you unlock an upgrade to the hex system ||godsent hexes||
but not the best coat aspect

if you enjoy it you can absolutely do great damage with it, it's not bad, other weapons are just better 🤷

[tidal moss]

Exactly

[trail cairn]

can't unlock the other two coats, and i've seen that base is not that great either. wanted to try a coat run for ||the surface||

[tidal moss]

Selene is ur best bet then

[rancid rapids]

I'm doing a run right now where I have both and apollo is the first god I get

[scarlet sentinel]

For the crossroads decor areas, does ||Icarus stay in between the garden and Hades fountain once u buy his stuff?||

[wary night]

||he just shows up at random some nights whether or not you bought stuff there. buying it all doesn’t make him stay all the time, but he has dialogue about some of it||

[polar laurel]

every aspect is viable for play. if anyone ever says something like "x aspect is bad" or "x aspect is unviable" its purely talking about speedrunning and high fear

dont concern yourself with what is meta to play unless youre doing really hard challenge runs

find whats fun and play that

[tidal moss]

Facts

[polar laurel]

i mean after all if the aspects were that unbalanced supergiant would change it

[trail cairn]

thanks

[tidal moss]

Up to 32f i havent had a problem with any of the aspects being too weak outside of skill issues

[polar laurel]

ya

ive gotten a little into 32 fear and honestly its just right now that im even noticing the strengths of aspects

and it doesnt matter much

[tidal moss]

I've almost done 32f all aspects and it's 90% personal preference

You can get away with all kinds of builds for each weapon

[polar laurel]

the only aspects im really disliking playing atm are hidden skull and hidden torches

and mel skull is really boring

[tidal moss]

Mel skull is great as long as you play it like medea (i'm playing it rn)

[wary night]

mel skull is at least versatile
the bonus it gives is kinda boring but the base skull move set can do a lot of things

but then again mom skull is just… more flavor but the same idea

[thick ice]

Late game spoilers: ||for the run against Chronos after killing Typhon, can Athena not show up from her Keepsake||…?

[wheat wren]

Yeah a lot of keepsakes won't proc in that circumstance

[noble locust]

can someone like... explain whats going on in the ||typhon|| fight? like why did ||zeus appear halfway through and why doesnt he have a health bar||??

[mighty basin]

does the arcana artificier card work alone or do i need to reroll minor finds ?

[thick ice]

Works alone

[thick ice]

That’s pretty much everything there is to know tbh

[noble locust]

do the arcana cards for extra damage in cast / extra damage if curses apply on him or nah

[thick ice]

Yup!

He exists ||where his head is||

[noble locust]

alright thanks

[stiff hawk]

||any tips for scylla i just got the game and i keep getting to her just to die, I just struggle to dodge all three of their attacks||

[wary night]

||you can try focusing on one of the three enemies first! they have separate hp pools and their attacks will disappear once you get them low enough (for each phase). I usually deal with the drummer first||
||beyond that it's jut a matter of learning to dodge. having more defensive boons + ways to deal damage while dodging (like casts) can give you more time to learn it each attempt, if that helps. it'll sink in eventually!||

[stiff hawk]

||Ah ive been scared to go for the drummer first because I didnt wanna get stuck in that corner, ill definitely try it out next time. thanks dude||

[naive verge]

spoilers for ||surface||
||is there an npc visit in the summit of Olympus or do you just fight to the top||

[vivid flare]

||The drummer's the one spawning all the ground AoEs, so dealing with her first is almost always recommended||

[tidal moss]

there is an npc yes

[vivid flare]

Technically?

[naive verge]

||who is it they haven’t appeared for me 💔 unless ur just talking about Zeus in the boss fight or Hermes at the shop before typhon||

[vivid flare]

But it's just a ||"Hi M! Bye, M" from Hermes in the shop||

[tidal moss]

||it's dionysus||

[naive verge]

||nah I meant like a Dionysus or Athena visit||

[naive verge]

||he can appear at the summit??||

[vivid flare]

That's ||Olympus, not the summit||

[tidal moss]

ohhhh oops i'm stupid

[wary night]

||yeah it's just Hermes, he makes all your Hermes shrine orders show up and does nothing else. but that does mean even if you had 7 more rooms before they'd arrive you get them 🤷 so it's not nothing just. not special||

[naive verge]

||ok i already knew that i was just checking to see if i was missing out on a npc room or smth||

||also I hate the summit||

[vivid flare]

It's rather boring, innit

[naive verge]

yes and I hate the enemies

[stiff hawk]

this was actually the best advice first try afer this tysm

[broken cliff]

so do we have a consensus now on what is the true condition for secret aspects

[tidal moss]

No lmao

[broken cliff]

one thing I can affirm is that I got ygnium one by upgrading eos to max instead of moros

I'm gonna get persephone to max and see if it works on the skull too

[thick ice]

I got the axe one by doing the one that wasn’t from the right guy too

I’m excited to read that after my next run

[wise reef]

Is it not just upgrading a single aspect (other than mels) to max?

I only unlocked the axe one so far tho

[broken cliff]

seems like it

[wise reef]

But i upgraded aspect of artemis to max and havent recieved anything in 3 nights yet hmm

[tidal moss]

Atm it seems to be 5nmare in the weapon overall

Some people have gotten aspects with no maxxed aspects

[wise reef]

Ohhh nice

[scenic arrow]

maybe it's bugged because that's not what the code says idk

[tidal moss]

Well idk lmao I get told 3 different things daily

[calm path]

is there anything you can do with the ||final boss materials after you do the incantations for the ending?||

[trail blade]

||Some minor upgrades for cards and the Long Arm of the Unseen which requires 15 of every boss material.||

[tidal moss]

||Prestige||

[scenic arrow]

For staff hidden aspect:
||"GameStateRequirements =
{{
Path = { "GameState", "WeaponsUnlocked" },
HasAll = { "WeaponStaffSwing", "WeaponDagger", "WeaponTorch", "WeaponAxe", "WeaponLob", "WeaponSuit" },
},
{
Path = { "GameState", "WeaponsUnlocked" },
HasAll = { "StaffClearCastAspect", "StaffSelfHitAspect" },
},
{
Path = { "GameState", "WeaponsUnlocked" },
HasAny = { "StaffClearCastAspect5", "StaffSelfHitAspect5" },
},"||

(you must have all 6 weapons unlocked, you must have all 3 aspects unlocked, and you need 1 level 5 nonmel aspect)

[tidal moss]

Right ok

[scenic arrow]

idk it might be wack though

[calm path]

what is that?

[torpid vessel]

it was renamed to Kudos

[calm path]

oh

[torpid vessel]

also, you can still use those materials for upgrading stuff like some of the Arcana cards or ||ranking up your Badge||

[calm path]

weird, they don't show up in the exchange menu for that

also ||badge?||

[torpid vessel]

if you've played Hades 1, ||its the thing at the faaaaar end of the game where you just dump a bunch of resources into a guy to get a meaningless little thing on your victory screens :P||

[calm path]

oh, ty

[misty osprey]

is hades 2 harder than 1

[torpid vessel]

its really difficult to tell imo, i would say mayyybe?

[pale breach]

imo H2 is easier, Zagreus didnt have an innate aoe cc at his disposal

[misty osprey]

like in term of beating chronos vs beating hades for the first time

[pale breach]

for a brand new player? i feel like Hades is easier than Chronos

[misty osprey]

there's a lot more strategy, planning and positioning behind h2 than h1 with just dash striking everthing (mostly). i feel like

[pale breach]

iots pretty subjective imo though

I hated dash striking in hades 1 so I never did it

[misty osprey]

I beat heat 16 in hades 1 before playing h2 but it took me like 24 nights to beat chronos for the first time which idk if embarrasing or not lol. tbf on my side i havent play h1 at all for a while before h2

[tidal moss]

No, i'm talking about ||prestige ranks||

[vivid flare]

It's debatable. There's a lot more strong builds in Hades 2 than Hades 1, plus if you start looking at cranking up the Fear, there's a lot less BS Vows than Pacts (Approval Process my beloathed).

That being said, the enemies and bosses are more punishing

Lernie never clipped you for 50

[misty osprey]

icic makes sense. i beat underground second time with pretty bs build

another question: is surface harder than underground at low fear

[vivid flare]

On the subject of max Fear, there's already been a few clears of it due to the fact that seed rerolling is way faster, and Approval Process and Underworld Customs don't exist

[misty osprey]

yeah hate the approval process and never done it on any of my run

[vivid flare]

Yeah, it's not until you start climbing up the Vow of Rivals (EM equivalent) that the Underworld gets on par

[misty osprey]

mk i guess im gonna gather experience by beating underground few more times before go into surface ig

[polar laurel]

Melinoe starts much weaker than Zagreus, especially considering ||eris|| blessings. She's also very different -- the skills don't transfer completely. Compared to Zagreus you need to put in more effort dodging.

That being said Hades 2 scales to be really easy in the late game of meta progression.

[upbeat sedge]

hades 2 is definitely easier than hades 1

or at the very least you end up a lot stronger after metascaling

but in both games you start out really really weak, if you are going from a hades 1 file with lots of progression to fresh file hades 2 you will feel horribly weak and die

also yeah the games have different playstyles so you have to learn some new skills

[wise reef]

Ive been going back n forth n defs find Hades 1 more clunky

[primal trench]

Hades 2 is more polished as a game as in general, but in terms of raw difficulty 1 is easier

[lunar quest]

i look at my stats and I'm sad

out of 100 nights that I've gone to the surface I've only beaten Prometheus twice and Typhon once

Chronos isn't an issue, Eris isn't an issue I've even started to beat the rivals versions

but Prometheus has wasted so so so so so many runs

[indigo quest]

Alright, The Boatman versus Excellence. Which arcana would you rather take between those?

[tidal moss]

Boatman

[wary night]

boatman almost always
boatman is part of the fates corner, and needs to be activated to get the fate arcana which is very good for most of the game and what I'd recommend to new players
very late game spoilers: ||eventually you get some keepsakes which incentivize playing without any rerolls, but even then I tend to take boatman more often||

excellence is okay but the actual bonus is quite low, since it's multiplicative. it makes rare boons go from 10% likely to 15% iirc, which isn't nothing but isn't much for 5 whole grasp

[misty osprey]

yeah and the team def got better at optimization too cuz 11 gb vs 10 gb for way more content and quality is insane

[tall kernel]

What is max grasp? I’m up to 29 and the next one is more than just psyche

[indigo quest]

I should have said, this is for a fates whim build. I got everything unlocked.

[wary night]

I still prefer boatman, +1 boon in the first region feels more impactful than 5% more common rare boons 🤷

[calm path]

wait really

i thought it was flat that's kinda really bad

[tidal moss]

30

[calm path]

the excellence bonus i mean

[tall kernel]

Oh man. Going to have to make priority calls soon.

Wish we had a little more grasp but okay

[mighty basin]

if i sell my boons in the red fountain and i have no more left of that god, is the god removed from my pool and i can get offered a different god ?

[tidal moss]

No, the god is still in your pool

[vivid flare]

Boatman turns on Fates

[vivid flare]

It's 50% bonus, the rare part is additive

The Legendary part is the multiplicative one

Why they made a numerical zeugma in the card description is anyone's guess

[wary night]

oooh the rare part is additive? very good to know, I was unaware
weird that the same % bonus applies differently to different things tho, that's bizarre

[vivid flare]

Yeah, it's really stupid. And something that was feedbacked regularly when they added the legendary chance to Excellence (it used to just be rare chance)

[wary night]

oh I should say also since you replied to them, Kasceis later specified they were asking abt ||mom pom|| runs specifically, so boatman turning on fates isn't relevant
personally I've still been running boatman > excellence but if you have a diff take I'd love to hear it

[halcyon crag]

Does someone have a list of the people needed for || the Fates prophecy, like to find them|| and I am assuming that ||I just need to raise my bond with those?||

[primal trench]

Erm, ||moros, hecate, heracles, prometheus, chronos|| iirc

If it's more than 5 tell me

[slim spear]

||OMFG HERA'S DESIGN IS SO PEAK||

||THE SWEETEST FRUIT IS THE ONE WE CANNOT REACH||

[primal trench]

I remember within the first week of the game launch in early access some released the taco bell bell dong mod for hera

Peak community

[vivid flare]

What, where picking up her boons plays the Taco Bell sound?

[primal trench]

Yes

[vivid flare]

I have a mod to enable

[slim spear]

Woah I never really looked into the modding scene for Hades 1 I should do that for 2 once I finish playing

[primal trench]

It was in nexus mods and im not sure it was ever updated

But is just funny how fast it came out

https://www.nexusmods.com/hades2/mods/34

[vivid flare]

Ah, damn

[sullen current]

what familiars are good to use with circe staff if I want to use strength so I can't use toula?

[tight gale]

Depends what type of build you go for, with Circe I like Hecuba or gale

[vivid flare]

Raki

[sullen current]

I don't think I have raki, there is one I am still missing

[tight gale]

It’s been a while so I don’t remember but I’m pretty sure you need every other familiar to get gale so it might be that

[sullen current]

no I have gale, he just waits outside prometheus' arena

[tight gale]

Maybe I’m tweaking then ig

[tight gale]

Anyways I’d say Hecuba if you wanna do omega casts and gale if you wanna survive easier and/or do regular casts

[sullen current]

thanks!

[safe turtle]

how do i beat scylla

[tidal moss]

Fight the drummer, then scylla, then the guitarist

[safe turtle]

okay

whats the best weapon rn

i have everything till the axe

[tidal moss]

staff

[lunar quest]

now I just can't beat Prometheus at all anymore what the crap

I get him to the tiniest health

[gentle quartz]

oh speaking of that guy
this is going to be my first time fighting him like right now
im screwed arent i

[lunar quest]

there's no secret trick

he fights like you really

there's a memory section which is pretty easy to dodge

don't be where the red is

[tidal moss]

Yes

[lunar quest]

but he's in your face and his stupid eagle too

[gentle quartz]

ah well uh lets see how far i can get at least
i somehow got all the way up here first try right after getting that incantation

[sullen current]

aspect of medea skull is impossible to use on MnK lmao

[primal trench]

How so? Is literally the same

Left click then right click

[sullen current]

I simply do not have the aim necessary to go back and forth as fast and as accurately as you can by flicking a joystick

[primal trench]

Understandable

I take it you dont play fps then

[sullen current]

nope lol

[primal trench]

Yeah makes sense

[lunar quest]

i wish there was an alternate way to get these resources

this game is pure endurance

it's been 6 hours since I got home I haven't won once

I get so close

[primal trench]

You'll make it

[lunar quest]

it's been 6 hours

[primal trench]

So what, plenty more time

[lunar quest]

I'm supposed to get like 10 of these feathers

[primal trench]

You'll get them eventually

What you trynna craft

[lunar quest]

I play underworld at 10 fear and it's no problem

[primal trench]

Surface is harder yes

[lunar quest]

I can't upgrade cards I can't give the stupid nectar to Ares

I get to the end and I run out of health and if I could dodge one more time and get one more attack in I'd squeak on by

I've run the surface 100 times

I get all the characters' dialogue

oh Prometheus has got in your way now

[primal trench]

Patience. Learn his patterns play defensively see his animations, what animation goes to which attack

[lunar quest]

I know his attacks but there's nowhere to go after a while

he sends all his stupid minions and his bird out and his attacks lock onto you and it's exhausting

I can't keep dodging and attacking

[primal trench]

Wdym there's nowhere to go after a while? The arena doesnt shrink or anything, the bird is temporary, and so are the minions, if you cant dodge and attack just wait till the bird/minions despawn

[lunar quest]

this game is endurance

[primal trench]

It is a roguelike, yes

[lunar quest]

when I die it's because all those things are taking up the screen at the same time

then he jumps at me and the bird jumps at me and there's blue everywhere

[wary night]

are there other things you can upgrade in the meantime?
ares isn't particularly op and you don't need prometheus boss drops for everything, and hades 2 is pretty generous with progression systems

[primal trench]

I dont think ive ever had that situation, but oh well, patience, work on your dodging

When he puts the aoe on you, run to the edge so it only covers a portion instead of leaving the entire area in the middle

Same when he aims the line at you, position yourself so he throws it behind him

[lunar quest]

he has a habit of doing the aoe and the dash attack

[primal trench]

That way it doesnt cover as much

[wary night]

also idk, I like taking breaks when I'm stuck on stuff. going back to silksong's final boss after sleeping on it felt like night and day, the muscle memory sinks in better.
sorry it's been frustrating, try to focus on defensive upgrades/max hp I guess if you can so you have more time to learn the fight, since it is learnable! definitely one of the harder boss fights, though

[primal trench]

Yup, just take your time to learn the fight

[lunar quest]

i have to take my time to get to the fight lol

[primal trench]

So make it count when you get there

[next nebula]

how to make boon card more rare

i see youtubers change a common to heroic

[lunar quest]

different ways

[primal trench]

Excellence arcane card, God keepsakes

[wary night]

that's a keepsake called aromatic phial, probably
you get it from narcissus in Oceanus, and it turns a random common boon of yours rare/epic/heroic (as you rank up the keepsake) when you drink from a fountain

apart from that there are lots of ways, like god keepsakes and other boons

[next nebula]

nah this guy had the 3 different choices from the boon then just chooses which one he wants to be heroic

[primal trench]

Excellence and divinity do this, although Excellence is not worth it imo

[primal trench]

God keepsakes, and a spoiler keepsake

[wary night]

if he's taking it all the way from common to heroic in the boon selection screen then that's a post-ending keepsake

[next nebula]

i beat the giant monster from overworld and the time king

[primal trench]

Nice

[next nebula]

so why i dont have it

[ripe trellis]

so other then standard olympian boon gods and ||Athena||, any other keepsakes that dont work with ||jeweled pom||?

[primal trench]

Keep doing it and playing the game

[next nebula]

bvut i already beat them

[tidal moss]

Nope, that's it

[primal trench]

Keep doing it

[sullen current]

question, is there a need to max rank all the keepsakes like there was in hades 1

[tidal moss]

You need to beat them more

[sullen current]

or can I just use the ones I actually like

[tidal moss]

There is not no

[primal trench]

That wasn't a need in h1

[next nebula]

how many times each

[sullen current]

it was for an achievement though

[primal trench]

Until you get the credits

[tidal moss]

||7 for chronos and 5 for typhon||

[next nebula]

ok

[primal trench]

Oh was it? My bad I dont check achievements

[primal trench]

Then after that take midshops until you find something unusual

It does come with a negative to use the keepsake mind you, just pointing that out

[sharp ermine]

hi - where can I see how much power my attacks have, like the underlying number. I want to know what increasing by 10 does, for example, am i going from 20 to 30 or 50 to 60

would be nice to have the numbers like in diablo you can see attack damage ranges etc for your gear

[shy zephyr]

you can always check them out on schelemeus

[ebon rain]

I feel like Engagement Ring is a lot stronger than it looks like on paper. Or at least, surprising to me

[primal trench]

It looks strong on paper

[lucid sparrow]

does anyone remember off the top of their head who gives sweet nectar incantation

starting a new file

[tidal moss]

Aphro

[nimble sedge]

Who’s the best to constantly feed nectar? lol been spreading it around like Oktoberfest

Sorry I’m just reading the wiki to answer all my dumb questions ✌️

[primal trench]

After the first it hardly matters

Gameplay hardly changes

[stiff hawk]

I think it was Aphrodite after 5 hearts but I could be wrong.

[nimble sedge]

the witch is a geme-changer w/ torches. just constantly casting specials, casts n' hexes... got me to prometheous n ' like 25% health first try

although haven't ran thaat staff y'all raving about

Attack scorch any good? Feel like it melts, especially on swords

[stiff hawk]

how to unlock observances of gaia secrets incantation?

[manic meteor]

I heard when you pause the game during ||chronos boss fight he would unpause the game unless you get a special item, did that got removed in the early access?||

[nimble sedge]

Imagine having the runs and being on a godly run chronos unpauses ur game ☠️

[manic meteor]

What

[stiff hawk]

It's in the last phase of VoR now. Both bosses.

[nimble sedge]

Runs=diarrhoea. I’m saying if you had to go in the middle of the fight n’ unpaused ur game…

[manic meteor]

VoR?

[dense anchor]

vow of rivals

[manic meteor]

Never heard of it

[dense anchor]

it's a Fear option to ||make bossfights harder||

[slender slate]

I everyone, I hope this is the right place to ask. I'm having issues unlocking all the weapons. For the ||hidden aspects, I've only managed to unlock Supay. Circe seems to have a lot of dialogue but that should come eventually. I looked up the conditions for the axe and I should have met them ages ago but Charon does not have any dialogue since about 15 runs. What's wrong here?||

[manic meteor]

Aha THAT

[dense anchor]

the conditions are a bit weird but the best way to unlock them is to max out any aspect in the weapon that is not melinoe's aspect

[slender slate]

I have maxed 4 aspects, two of which are non-melinoe aspects

or do you mean for the axe itself?

[dense anchor]

yeah

[slender slate]

yeah, I've definitely maxed only the Melinoe on the axe

[dense anchor]

so for example you could max out ||charon's aspect||

[slender slate]

thanks a lot, this might also explain why I haven't ||received the staff hidden aspect as well||

[frigid tapir]

i have difficulty understand the skill rotation for black coat... how do u play it?

[stiff hawk]

Max out the Aspects of line givers. ||Circe, Artemis, Selene, Moros, Charon, Medea||

I didn't unlock them until post-game because it's linked to those specific aspects levels, although you don't have to use them to get the line, just have those specific ones leveled.

[dense anchor]

it's definitely not only the aspect givers, my ||circe and selene|| aspects are not maxed but I have the hidden aspects for both weapons

[slender slate]

I'm sort of glad to hear that, I wouldn't want to put in the time to max ||selene||

[stiff hawk]

For some reason I didn't get them until I leveled those ones, I had the other ones at max for a lot of runs and it didn't pop until I did the aspect givers. That was this new update, not the initial release.

[dense anchor]

yea I only unlocked ||shiva|| in v1.0. ||selene|| is not even upgraded at all for me lol

[stiff hawk]

Did anyone else get ||Supay|| before the other ones? The internet was telling me it couldn't be unlocked first but that was the first one I got.

[slender slate]

same for me. Which aspect did you max first?

[stiff hawk]

Moros.

[slender slate]

same

[stiff hawk]

Depending on where in the story you are, it seems like Circe and Charon have priority dialogue that gets in the way of the lines if you're near the end. At least that's how it went for me.

[frigid tapir]

how much must u spend at herme's shop to unlock his max rship

[strange patio]

can someone explain to me how "sprouted" works with Aspect of Persephone?

sometimes my special is longer than usual, idk how to do that it just happens randomly

[stiff hawk]

Sprouted just means your boon effects (Scorch, Blitz, etc) last +2 seconds.

[strange patio]

would that be a nerf to Blitz?

[stiff hawk]

I'm not sure. I didn't really like the skulls except for Medea.

Might work with Omega Blitz? Idk. Was just using it as an example.

[strange patio]

i'll test it

I have the combo rn

[primal trench]

What

[stiff hawk]

That's what the effect says.

[tall plover]

That is incorrect, Sprouted is your Omega Special being extra long and directable.

[primal trench]

What i just read

[primal trench]

Thats not what it says, damage done by your boon effects like blitz scorch etc, can make your special last longer and you can control it

[strange patio]

how to trigger it consistently?

am using Blitz special

[stiff hawk]

I used it twice, I was just going off of what the text said.

[primal trench]

Get boon effects like blitz, scorch, etc

Just trigger blitz a lot

[strange patio]

sometimes it's still short

[primal trench]

Its gotta charge up, you charge it with the olympain effects

[strange patio]

oh I see

[tall plover]

Gotta get the circle Aspect meter gleaming, then you'll get the full Sprouted charge.

[strange patio]

once I used a fully charged special, does it reset?

[primal trench]

Yes it consumes the charge

[strange patio]

ts kinda poo poo without the boon lv ups

[primal trench]

Thats why it has the boon lvl ups 🤷‍♂️

[quasi epoch]

I know im late and people have talked about it, think of the p-skull as a builder/spender weapon.

Build the charge with Olympian damage
Spend on omega special

[strange patio]

chain-lightning counts as Olympian damage yeah

rn I'm just dumping my skulls then using omega special to pick them up

[primal trench]

anything thats not the raw dmg of the weapon should work

afaik

[quasi epoch]

Yea, it has to have a secondary damage effect, so chain should work

[strange patio]

ok it's actually kinda strong with the Twisting Crash upgrade

can kill big shielded enemies in ||olympus|| with one omega special

[split karma]

Can I safely use Star Dust in the cauldron? I know I needed to use some to upgrade one of the arcana cards and since it seems like a limited commodity I want to be sure I am not wasting it.

[shy zephyr]

there's exceptions like damage from any ||hades boon|| or from hexes

[upbeat sedge]

Stardust can be obtained in 3 ways: chaos trials (you will likely get more than enough from here so feel free to spend some), buying with 1500 bones (costly but doable if youre desperate), with a specific incantation you can get one randomly in the last region on 12+ fear.

[tall plover]

They can also drop from ||Narcissus||.

[upbeat sedge]

Oh yeah, true but very unreliable

[strange patio]

I take it back, I just reached ||and beat Typhon for the first time using it||

[tall kernel]

I block hits sometimes and it says only 2 blocks left or something. I’m using the black coat and gale. Any chance it’s from one of them? I don’t know where the blocks are coming from.

[shy zephyr]

gale, she has 3 blocks per region

[tall kernel]

Region being a whole act?

[shy zephyr]

erebus is a region

whatever that's called in the language you're playing

[tall kernel]

K, I like to call them acts. But I get it. Thanks. I’ll look for the tool tip that explains how the blocks work

[quasi epoch]

Look at Gale when theyre with you.

[thick ice]

Can you ||get a Godsent boon|| even if you didn’t have the appropriate god when you got the ||hex||?

[shy zephyr]

yes, get the associated god afterwards

[lofty lotus]

are all hidden aspects convo roulette

cuz ki git everything for staff but didnt get it

Do I have to do multiple runs

[sharp ermine]

midway through a run...?

[thick ice]

Hm. I want to fully upgrade an ||aspect of the sister blades so I can see the hidden aspect||. Any suggestions? I haven’t actually tried ||Artemis|| yet, that was a lot of ||silver||

[dense anchor]

artemis is the best choice there imo

[autumn flare]

Hermes Success Rate boon that increases chances by let's say 30%, is that multiplicative or additive?

Will my froth have 55% chance to activate or 32.5%?

Doesn't work for dodge

But aight, thanks

[wanton plover]

what does omega attack of ||aspecy of anubis|| do?

[polar laurel]

More damage in a small range

[dense anchor]

just an indicator you have a bond forged with them. no gameplay changes

[wild ivy]

Heya fellas, is there a min nights number requirement to unlock some incantations?

Got 10 nights done and am putting the screws to Chronos by now, while somehow don't have neither keepsake swapping between regions nor pets

Wiki says keepsake swap incantation only needs beating Hecate 5 times and using 3 tools a few times, both of which did a while ago

Would be cool to know if its a bug or still too early for those

[wanton plover]

what do you think is the best boon paired with aspec of ||anubis||? still trying it out and I lack the damage, i did get unlucky with the boon though since I picked apollo for bigger range

[polar laurel]

I've heard hestia goes crazy on the attack

[wanton plover]

makes sense cause of the burn tick

aight i]ll try that out

[frigid tapir]

with aspect of pan blades, do the daggers hit each enemy in the cast once? or just the once on a single foe inside per dagger?

[stiff hawk]

lvl 12 epic flutter strike on scythe is noice

very noice, got my fastest cerberus so far, skipped through some of his monster summoning and endphase moves

[echo turret]

is hestia scorch or poseidon splash better for attack on umbral torches?

[crisp urchin]

Might be an obvious question but how do you upgrade aspects to rank 6?

[shy zephyr]

hephaestus legendary boon

[crisp urchin]

Oh so rank 6 for weapons is temporary?

[shy zephyr]

yes

[rapid nebula]

does freeze do anything vs bosseS?

[mystic copper]

it slows them down

[polar laurel]

I died to ||chronos|| instakill twice because I misread the telegraph from freeze 💀

[gray walrus]

theres also a funny glitch where it sometimes makes the bosses go ultra instinct on u (aka frenzy 6 💀)

heres an example of it in action: https://youtu.be/RdSomTwkqas

[rapid nebula]

THX

another question, can ||typhon|| be backstabbed?

[stiff hawk]

If I pick that keepsake that gives mana buff (Hecate's I think), and then change in after region, will all that mana go away or stay?

[polar laurel]

Should go away if it works like most keepsakes but seeing as I never use it I do not know

[stiff hawk]

thats a bummer

[polar laurel]

It's a maybe bummer! But again I have no idea!

[stiff hawk]

dont try to sugarcoat it. you are truly a harbinger of bad news

[shy zephyr]

this has unrivaled chronos spoilers btw

[vivid flare]

Poseidon or Hestia for attack, each tick triggers their effect

[vivid flare]

Nope! Suffer

[vivid flare]

It will stay

[rapid nebula]

😭 do people just not use that aspect then? is it poop

[stiff hawk]

its not all about the last boss, double damage on backstab is OP otherwise

[vivid flare]

But it's not double

It's +100%, it's additive with other damage up sources

[rapid nebula]

thats the only thing in the game i have trouble killing

can get to him revery time

[vivid flare]

Makes sense, he has 65K HP

But yeah, all 3 non-hidden knives are in the bottom tier

[stiff hawk]

yeah, I am same. got to their second stage though, but its tricky to dodge or tank the damage

[shy zephyr]

honestly mel blades and arty are decent now

[gray walrus]

how do u spoiler links tho

[vivid flare]

Are they? Are they really?

[shy zephyr]

same as always, put || on both sides of the message

[gray walrus]

oh

i thought it was different

[shy zephyr]

yeah my arty 62 attempts were honestly not bad

[rapid nebula]

hmm so the blades as a whole kinda poop? 😭

[vivid flare]

No, because the hidden knives are some of the best in the game

[shy zephyr]

it's on the weaker side of the weapons in this game but they're good

and yeah there's the hidden blades being crazy good

[rapid nebula]

is the hidden blades an aspect?

[vivid flare]

Yes

It's the hidden aspect for the knives, which you'll unlock by burning 5 Nightmare total across the first 3 aspects, then talking to a certain NPC (you'll figure it out quickly)

I'm just not saying the actual aspect name

[rapid nebula]

ooo gotcha ty

also omg

i just beat em with the mel blades :oooooooooo

this run was crazy though got insane luck i think

[broken cliff]

MY POWER WENT OUT AS I REACHED THE SURFACE FINAL BOSS

AND THE GAME DIDN'T AUTOSAVE

man.

[pearl sand]

the hidden vow of electrical outage is deadly

[stiff hawk]

the final surface boss can do that, yes

[autumn flare]

When does rushing trigger?

[tall plover]

"Rush" is a catch-all term for your Dash and Sprint.

[autumn flare]

So a plain dash without sprinting is considered rushing and will trigger rush effect?

[tall plover]

Each boon will usually have specific wording, but it's not always 100% accurate. Ares's Stabbing Rush specifies just your Dash dropping swords, which is correct, but Apollo's Blinding Rush specifies Sprint but your Dash will inflict Daze as well.

[autumn flare]

But some sprints don't trigger from just dashes right? Because I've seen that

Those boons are kinda bad

You don't have time to start sprinting in combat necessarily

[tall plover]

Correct, Nexus Rush requires a full sprint to activate.

[autumn flare]

Ye

[tall plover]

They're more situational, but they can be strong in the right circumstances.

Nexus Rush goes hard with the Torches' Hidden Aspect.

[autumn flare]

Does passion rush work with just dash?

[tall plover]

It works with both.

[autumn flare]

Ah, hard to describe it without being ambiguous

[tall plover]

It activates when you first Dash and wherever you end your Rush, whether it's just the Dash itself or your Sprint afterwards.

[wise reef]

Anyone else use auto sprint ?

[autumn flare]

Sprint includes a dash, "just dash" -> dash without sprint, but also can be interpreted as "will it only trigger on dashes"

[wise reef]

I could not get used to holding A

[vivid flare]

Yeah it's usually recommended to do that

[autumn flare]

How does the damage multiplication work in hades 2, is it the same as in hades 1? Eg. most damage things are just added together and then multiplied with base damage?

[wise reef]

Power is multiplied by %

so u want both high power and %

[autumn flare]

Yes I believe power is added to base damage

[wise reef]

Yeap

[autumn flare]

But what about different multiplications?

Let's say one gives 50% -> 100% and another 10% -> 30%, first one is always better right?

In my case there's an attacks boon and an omega attack boon

[stiff hawk]

+50% is better than +20%

[wise reef]

Yeah just add whatever is highest percentage increase

[autumn flare]

If the damage calc was 1.5*1.1 then the second one would be better, but these percentages in one attack are just added together then?

[stiff hawk]

damage multipliers are all additive

[autumn flare]

aight

[wise reef]

Crits are x3 dmg tho

[stiff hawk]

crits are multiplicative?

[nova flower]

is it me does the reroll not truly feel like a reroll cause the options are always the same 4-5 boons with the occasionally new stuff. i could be hitting rerolling 4 times in a row and i would always see the same boons(im talking about the rerolling on boons upgrade not the rooms)

[restive swallow]

They are + 200% damage

[wise reef]

Well its 300% dmg

So 3x

Critical Hits
Critical (Crit for short) is a modifier that makes foes take more damage than usual (multiplicative increase). A critical attack will deal at least 300% damage to an enemy, but can be further increased by other effects. All Artemis Boons grant crit chance and damage.

From the wiki

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Gameplay_mechanics/Hades_II

[scenic arrow]

they're x3, not +200%

[restive swallow]

+200% is x3 but ok

[vivid flare]

Yeah, the only exceptions are crits and minicrits

[vivid flare]

Not when it would be multiplying a +200% from, say, an Epic Aphrodite Attack instead of just adding another +200%

[wise reef]

+200% would be 3x yes. But “deal 200% dmg“ would be 2x

So a crit would be the second one

[restive swallow]

yes

[bold junco]

i'm struggling to find any use cases for melinoe's cast- the damaging version takes way too long to set up in the middle of combat

how am i supposed to use it

[wise reef]

U can dodge out of the circle while omega casting

So hold down B and immediately dodge back

[vivid flare]

You don't use Omega cast if you don't get stuff that boosts it. Use it for CC

[bold junco]

okay that changes everything

[wise reef]

Yeah once if figured that out i started actually using them haha. A lot of omega moves u can do dodging with

[autumn flare]

I use cast to set up The Furies and Origination (with olympic boons) arcana cards

Hella damage

I've yet to make a build with omega cast, though I imagine it's worth it on some weapons

[vivid flare]

It's mostly worth on Charon, Momus, and Circe

[autumn flare]

Does chaos trial reset favored weapon?

[split silo]

yes

[wise reef]

Yes, grave thirst also works in the chaos trials

[autumn flare]

Interesting

Knuckle bones doesn't stack additively with Strength right?

[vivid flare]

I think all forms of damage reduction are multiplicative

[zealous flame]

For selenes lock do I have to beat chronos with her aspect or just use it enough

[stiff hawk]

so on the ||surface how do you break the curse?||

[stiff hawk]

Spam non omega version non-stop, for omega cast it depends, but also fairly easily made to be worth spamming

[split silo]

||You need to try and get some moss in the first 2 rooms before dying, and then there's an incatation that allows you to remove it||

[zealous flame]

The relationship heart lock thing I mean

[stiff hawk]

||Is it "Unraveling a fateful bond?" If so where do you find the Thalamus?||

[stiff hawk]

||thalamus is found in chaos rooms||

[split silo]

Yes, ||thats the incantation. Thalamus can be grown from seeds found in Chaos' realm||

[stiff hawk]

Ahh thank you

[rugged reef]

Can someone help me about Odisseus, Arakhne and Ekho questline please ? Im trying to do %100 the game

[rustic sorrel]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[upbeat sedge]

Equip one and look at your boons

[lofty lotus]

Hry peeps how do I pin my boons so I know what to take

I don't see that option in the book where the boon list is

[rustic sorrel]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[alpine widget]

Post game spoiler ||how rare is the zagresu bossfight and how do i get his keepsake the battle starts immediately and i cant gift him nectar?||

[alpine widget]

Its an upgrade you need to get first

[tidal moss]

||he shows up 40% of the time in the midshop in regions 1/2 uw and 2/3 sf, and you need to beat him twice for the keepsake, and thrice for the bond||

[alpine widget]

Whenever he shows up im always so underpowered

[alpine widget]

||can he appear on the surface?||

[tidal moss]

Yep, regions 2/3

[alpine widget]

I feel like its either less than 40% or im just incredibly unlucky

[tardy quartz]

So im having a bit of confusion

I seem to have done all the stuff necessary to unlock the ||familiar incantation. Beat Hecate more than 5 times, used the tools multiple times, don't think I have the incanation at the cauldron||

[tidal moss]

Midshops aren't guaranteed so probably just unlucky

[stiff hawk]

Hestia my biggest opp ||she never gives me the fireball cast||

[tardy quartz]

Do i just need to beat ||hecate|| more?

[vivid flare]

It's fine, ranged casts are low-key garbage

[autumn flare]

If a curse says "takes +30% attack damage" that is also not multiplicative?

[split silo]

additive to the other debuffs, yes

[autumn flare]

Aight so it's not even that great

Frosty Veneer Heavy Damage Reduction, before or after mitigation?

[fervent holly]

|| picking to rizz moros doesnt stop me from rizzing anyone else right ||

[wary night]

correct!

[hidden trellis]

I'm completely new to the game so my question is probably stupid... ^^
What does that little bar below the keepsakes mean?

[shrewd salmon]

doesnt matter theyre fun

[split silo]

what bar do you mean?

[hidden trellis]

https://imgur.com/52kYUI0

[shrewd salmon]

they level up if you fill it

[hidden trellis]

ahh thank you

[split silo]

yeah it will tell you in your keepsake menu at the bottom how many encounters you need to finish having that keepsake equipped to level it up

[hidden trellis]

Another question when I'm already here. Should I use the weapons I unlock or is that more of a preference? Because I kinda like the first weapon more than the dual sword thingy

[dense anchor]

there's no requirement to use the weapons you unlock, but keep in mind to keep experimenting to find something fun

[shrewd salmon]

||mel staff most fun ||

[tardy quartz]

Are there incantations you get after on a run based on rng?

Like i haven't gotten the one for ||familiars|| yet but I've gotten the ||tarot cards insight|| after beating ||hecate|| again

[earnest verge]

Hello everyone, I know it is possible to unlock ||nightmare|| in charon's stash, I got few with ||testaments|| already, but it doesn't appear yet. Do you know the prerequisites ?

[lofty lotus]

I got the incantation i think

[woeful idol]

hey is there a way to check how many gifts you have given to someone?

[split silo]

through the book of shadows, yes

[woeful idol]

ok thank you

[split silo]

if you don’t have access to it yet, it just requires you gifting (almost) everyone 1 nectar, and then you’ll get an incantation to unlock it

[woeful idol]

does that include the olympians?

[scarlet sentinel]

My partner had given less nectar to ppl and got that incantation before me. I got it after giving someone a second one

In case u run into same problem!

[split silo]

yeah, let me pull up the exact list

[woeful idol]

ok

[split silo]

• Requirement: Gift all of the following characters at least once each: Zeus, ||Hera|| Poseidon, Apollo, Demeter, Aphrodite, Hephaestus, Hestia, Hermes, Chaos

[woeful idol]

awesome. ty

[split silo]

but you should gift everyone you see atleast once, because if you can gift them, they can give you a keepsake

[hidden trellis]

What happens if I give the same person the nectar again

[upbeat sedge]

just dialogue and story progress

from a gameplay progress only the first nectar really matters

[woeful idol]

gotcha

[wanton plover]

how do i unlock ||odysseus|| heart?

[woeful idol]

another question: how do i get ||athena|| to show up?

[split silo]

either randomly by chance on ||olympus||, and then you can use her keepsake to make her show up when you don’t have death defiances

[woeful idol]

ok ty

[dense chasm]

what are the requirements for ||athena divine intervention on Olympus?||

[split silo]

||There aren’t any requirements, it’s just luck||

[vivid flare]

It's something like having 15 keepsakes in total, which can include the Olympians.

You'll want to gift them all anyways, gifting all of them up to ||Hera|| gives you the incantation to see their boon list

[vivid flare]

||Be in an outdoor room||

[woeful idol]

ok. tyvm for the help

both you and @split silo

[zealous flame]

How I trigger ||dora to talk about promethus||

[split silo]

||she can spawn inside, no?||

||I know Icarus needs to be outside, and heracles i’m not too sure||

[vivid flare]

Pretty sure ||she's only outside, and Heracles is only indoors||

[split silo]

i see, i must’ve had my information wrong then. thanks for correcting me!

[polar trail]

hey guys i have played h2 when the first beta came out i "finished" the game as far as it got at the time and then didn't touch it until now where i saw the full release is out would you recommend me making a new save file or can i just keep playing on my current one since nothing change in the early game?

[broken cliff]

can someone tell me what are the material for buying the knife, skull and staff without telling me the secret aspect names?

[weary tartan]

the base aspects or like a specific aspect? cause the sister blades to first unlock are like 1 silver or something

[broken cliff]

the secret ones

[weary tartan]

oh i see

mostly region 3/4 ||both underworld and surface|| harvestable materials and boss drops iirc

specifically: ||adamant, snake reed, iron, feathers, tears, and fangs|| i think

[trail cairn]

what does ||wounds|| do exactly?

[split silo]

+50 base damage per enemy with a cooldown of 3 seconds

[trail cairn]

could i ask you to elaborate?

[thick ice]

If an enemy doesn’t have wound, your attack deals 50 more damage (plus/times whatever bonuses), and then that has a 3 second cooldown that counts as a curse

[trail cairn]

i get it now, thanks

[split silo]

yep, Paul explained it much better than I did

[gentle quartz]

idk how i went from losing to ||Prometheus|| on my very first attempt to beating him without losing any lives on my second
hades 2 is kinda weird

[split silo]

sometimes you just lock tf in

[opaque dagger]

There's no way to know what Gods are in the current run's pool right?

[hidden trellis]

where is the "chaos"? Or is that a person

[gentle quartz]

im pretty sure you just have to do more runs
he'll appear soon i think

[tidal moss]

No

[vivid flare]

You'll see soon enough

Because the answer is "yes"

[torpid vessel]

just make sure you keep an eye out for weird things on the floor in chambers. You'll know it when you see it, and Mel should make a comment about it when you clear the room

[pulsar tendon]

what is the purpose of pinning a boon?

[vivid flare]

Just lets you quickly reference it when you open up the menu

[pulsar tendon]

ah ok thx

[split silo]

mostly useful if you’re trying to chase a duo or a legendary, it shows any prerequiste boons as marked too

[gentle warren]

I've been getting into the habit of checking the duos and legendaries for anything I think I can push for over a run using the pin feature, it's very handy