h2-for-new-players

[scenic arrow]

some of it is pretty cryptic though, like resetting rng, or autocollecting items, or familiar skins, or unlocking the shields in erebus

[twin bloom]

gotcha thank you, maybe my interactions are just filled up with stuff so somethings are just in the back of the queue

[jade stratus]

Just started Hades 2 yesterday and it’s pretty fun! Only issue I’ve been having is getting used to the somewhat newer dashing system.

[sly linden]

Yeah it's often that

[sly linden]

I just checked. Yeah a lot require you to do very specific things

[scenic arrow]

sprinting is so nice though, I think it makes up for it

[sly linden]

Oh I died for dumb reasons at the start for the same reason lol

[jade stratus]

True but I’m so used to spamming multiple dashes in Hades 1 that it’s become instinctual.

[jade stratus]

Exactly what happened to me 😆

Been thinking about turning on the “always sprint” option but wanted to see how necessary it would be

[scenic arrow]

idk hades 2 just clicked with me better. Letting me run around instead of mashing dash everywhere

[scenic arrow]

I'm not sure what "always sprint" is but I really like tap to sprint

after you tap dash, mel will just keep sprinting until you release your movement buttons/stick

she's kinda like a racecar

[jade stratus]

I found it in the options but haven’t tried turning it on yet

[vivid flare]

Auto-sprint is extremely nice to have

[scenic arrow]

yeah, you can still dash during the sprint when it's off cooldown

[fallen kite]

ive taken over 1750 damage with blakc shawl, so surely my casts must do 280% more damage, right??

[cosmic burrow]

The only option I’ve tinkered with is turning auto aim off. I can’t trust it would always work as I want

[cosmic burrow]

The blackened sheep skin? It’s just an additional % increase once you’ve met the requirement. Doesn’t matter how much damage beyond that you take

[fallen kite]

crying :(

[jade stratus]

Might give it a try for the next run.

[jade stratus]

I’ve realized that I’ve been playing hades while not looking at Zagreus at all. I’ve been Looking at where I want to go

So I have to pay attention now to her cooldown trial thingy

[scenic arrow]

you get a feel for her cooldown timing, but it's important to look at her just for the sake of dodging stuff

[elfin granite]

Does Winter Harvest work on bosses?

[vivid flare]

It does indeed, and you'll even get a voice line when the execute happens

[elfin granite]

oh, so I should definitely take it for ||Typhon||? 😄

Holy crap. Dude hit the first egg phase in seconds.

[vivid flare]

I'd recommend trying to get it ||by Eris so you can skip her final phase||

[elfin granite]

I skipped ||Eris's final phase|| by dumping a Godsent Phase Shift on her. 😛

[fallow pecan]

Does daze work on bosses?

[vivid flare]

Sure does

Full potency, too

[pearl sand]

yep! i forget exactly when it unlocks, but it's similar

[scenic arrow]

daze and weak, my beloved

[fallow pecan]

thats crazy

[dark breach]

Where do I get Bronze?

[sly linden]

That upper path

[shy zephyr]

||surface first region||

[dark breach]

Ahhh

Is that a lot harder there?

Because I really wann unlock the aspects

[sly linden]

I don't want to spoil since I've gotten to the final boss of it

But I'd say it's different. Not harder

If you know what you're doing, you'll be fine

[dark breach]

I basically just wanna get the Bronze

I wanna finish the lower way first anyways

But I really want the aspects

[pseudo sluice]

much harder imo

not like unplayable but yeah, expect from boss 2 onward for a big difficulty spike

[polar laurel]

Area 2 is pretty tough, id say aside from area 1 it's universally harder

Even area 1 is harder than erebus

[sly linden]

Maybe because I got some wins under my belt, but I found top path area 1 to be pretty easy
Area 2 onwards tho yeah it definitely spikes

[pseudo sluice]

sloppy gameplay doesnt cut it in Hades 2 lol I think I need to relax and stop trying to kill everything fast and do a trillion damage instead just pause a bit to take some time and dodge

[sly linden]

Yeah Mel doesn't move like Zag. I died a lot for this same reason lmao

[proud pebble]

Omegas?

[pseudo sluice]

especially the melee weapons feel much tougher to play what with all the new mechanics added, which is nice for a difficulty spike but sadder for melee players, it plays much more different if you're used to Zag

[sly linden]

Yeaaaaa
Melee in 1 felt pretty free. Especially with dodge boons and fist

In 2, I did get a W with scorch twin blades but man you gotta work for it

[polar laurel]

Area 1 is easy its just harder than erebus

[autumn flare]

Does Eternity (slowdown when channeling omegas) do anything for umbral flames omega attack?

[sly linden]

No 🙁

[autumn flare]

I figured as much, thanks

[polar laurel]

Melee works just fine in h2, but every melee weapon has a ranged ability (typically the special) which makes melee honestly feel better in h2 imo. You're never locked in too hard and can get out of a bad situation if you need to

[pseudo sluice]

the only complain I would have is I loved being able to do reaction dodges whereas it seems like some of the things here are more "passive" oriented? unless I'm just bad at the game.

I loved being able to react to something and dodge with dash where if you're mispositioned here you take damage, sometimes you take damage and don't even know what hit you even from regular monsters

[upbeat sedge]

Can still reaction dodge in this game. Its just that you only have 1 dash and the cooldown is fairly long (without the Hermes boon) so if you burn the dash offensively you will not be able to reaction dodge an incoming attack for a bit.

[modern dust]

Is it normal for runs to last 20-30 mins in H2?

[upbeat sedge]

Real time or in game time?

[modern dust]

In gmae

Not sure if there is a way to check run history

[upbeat sedge]

Depends on your playstyle, skill level, amount of metascaling

[dense spade]

…yes*

[upbeat sedge]

Most of my runs right now are about 15 min igt, give or take a few min

But I play very aggressively and am fairly experienced. My first few runs were like closer to 30-50 min igt

[modern dust]

ohh i see, cool to know

[upbeat sedge]

I would say that if your runs are about 25ish min then its fine, if its under 20 min then its very good

[twin bloom]

i cant send pictures but is this a troll arcana set up? ||sorceress. furies, persistence, swift runner, enchantress, fates, boatman, champions, centaur, artificer, strength, origination, divinity, queen?||

[pearl sand]

you can unlock one eventually

[upbeat sedge]

Slower than that and you can probably make changes to be faster

[pearl sand]

not really troll. most of those i use regularly

[upbeat sedge]

Off the top of my head artificer is usually dropped in favor of something else

If youre not super experienced I would probably keep wayward son on permanently

That arcana is giga value for only 1 grasp

Other than that everything seems normal

[twin bloom]

that makes sense, i just got really annoyed with constantly getting ash rewards and not wanting to spend my rerolls on them. ill probably add wayward son and some card in the end

[upbeat sedge]

Typical other arcana people take with their leftover grasp is huntress, lovers, sometimes night on certain aspects, messenger if there's really nowhere else to spend 1 grasp

Can drop sorceress on no magick aspects. Can drop swift runner if you really need 1 more grasp to fit lovers

[twin bloom]

okay thank you, i was not sure since i havent done many runs with this set up yet

[twin bloom]

i use sorceress to proc divinity card since im not using death defiance, but i almost always end up using magick spam builds of some sort

[upper swan]

Does dodging give you i-frames?

[pearl sand]

unless artificer is maxed, it's harder to justify for just 1 use compared to other cards. but it can be fun if you just want more boons

[upbeat sedge]

Btw rooms are divided into two types meta reward and run rewards

Ash is a meta reward (used to get more powerful between runs and doesn't impact the current run) so it can only be rerolled into other meta rewards

[upbeat sedge]

Probably drop artificer for wayward son and huntress then, can replace huntress for night on the weapons that do omega rotations

[upbeat sedge]

Only regular dash, not dash attack

[spark dock]

Later on there are some upgrades that make the bone/ash/nectar contribute to your runs.

[twin bloom]

oh that makes so much sense actually, is that stated in game somewhere and i just skimmed over it? ill drop artificer then unless i really want to try and force something

[faint tundra]

Boons have different Rarities- Common, Rare, Epic, and Heroic.

Much of the finer gameplay of Hades lies in the choices you make when selecting your Boons. Sometimes, it's better to secure a common boon that's very critical to your weapon's success strategy vs. Grabbing an Epic-level boon that doesn't fit into your damage output and locks you out from better options down the line.

As others have said, Keepsakes are helpful in ensuring you find the right gods for your "Build" (your weapon's winning strategy).

Get a bottle of Nectar, and after you clear a room with the reward being a God's Boon, "Gift" them the nectar. Each god will give you their Keepsake, which you can equip to guarentee you'll see them again.

[vivid flare]

Yes

[pearl sand]

minor and major finds are referred to at some point, but they're not the most explicit about describing it from what i remember

[faint tundra]

"Omegas" are more powerful versions of your Attack, Special, and Cast. By holding down the respective button for each move, you begin charging Magic for your Omega move, respresented by the circle above Melinoe. Once the circle is filled, you can release the button to execute the Omega move.

Using Omega moves requires Magick, so learning how to manage and replenish your magic is important to ensuring you can consistently output the most damage possible for your specific strategy. I'd suggest going over to #h2-builds-and-combat and they'll help you more.

[proud pebble]

So heavy attacks?

[faint tundra]

Pretty much, yeah.

[proud pebble]

Bruh

[scenic arrow]

charged attacks, heavy attacks, magic attacks
they're called omegas here

[twin bloom]

okay gotcha, thank you for all the help <3

[scenic arrow]

you can abbreviate them to oattack, ospecial, ocast which is nice

[proud pebble]

Smh mana management

[stiff hawk]

Need help figuring something out. i'ms till early in the game,but those 'unlockable hearts' in the book of shadows aren't appearing for me, despite starting to progress affinity with some characters. is it a bug,or normal?

[cosmic burrow]

Just my two cents: I’ve kept Artificer on and cleared ten runs. I think it’s great up until you complete the Incantation that rewards you for claiming dust and bones. That way, you’re always getting a benefit when claiming minor rewards

[green bramble]

spoiler ||you'll get a guide eventually||

[green bramble]

||you only unlock the incantation after a few times, you need to gift enough nectar to unlock it if I remember correctly, dont worry if you give the wrong gift itll go back to your inventory||

[modern dust]

Honest answers please. What is the max heat for H2 in order to get rewards? Do you guys think if I have most or all metaprogression unlocked in the future, are those runs manageable for the average player with Tourettes Syndrome (looks away from screen a lot, get hit randomly, tics more if stressful situation)?

Think H2 is still more harder than H1 but H1 I think I got to like heat 6-7 with like 5 winstreaks before I stopped playing for a bit.

Not sure if Hades is considered very difficult for people if I don't go too high of a heat level

Not trying to do the unbeatable max levels stuff

[elfin swift]

I think its nmare caps at 20F right?
But you can always just farm bones to get nmare from broker

[shy zephyr]

max fear for achievements and nightmare is 20, there's a cosmetic reward for 32 and 24 but it's completely optional

[modern dust]

This nmare is for unlocking aspects or something right?

[green bramble]

there's 38 testaments to allow you to gain nightmares

[elfin swift]

Upgrading aspects!

[upbeat sedge]

Nightmare can be farmed without playing on higher fear levels, will just be slower progress

[modern dust]

For up to 20F, would you say its like very unbeatable or its totally fine if you got most metaprogression unlocked?

[shy zephyr]

totally fine imo

[green bramble]

20F is fine

[modern dust]

Will I ever be locked for not playing till 20?

[elfin swift]

Nah

[shy zephyr]

nope, they're all optional

[upbeat sedge]

No, except for one cosmetic

[modern dust]

So all possible rewards minus the achievement can be obtained

but slower

[elfin swift]

If you need nmare, you just farm bones to buy from broker

[modern dust]

hmm okay, that is the key thing behind climbing till 20 right?

[green bramble]

upgrading aspects require fear, unlocking aspects require resources, buy nightmare and star dust from broker

[modern dust]

oh okay so these nightmare and stardust are behind fear and can be bought from broker, gotcha

[green bramble]

nah, just find a weapon you like and try to find a build that works for you

[modern dust]

was this the case in H1 too? i couldn't recall

[upbeat sedge]

Hades 1 also had metaprogress that required doing heat but could also be slowly farmed

[green bramble]

stardust is for when you clear a chaos trial for the first time

[elfin swift]

I vaguely had the feeling that h1 also just had less aspects worth upgrading so i didn't feel very pressured to farm heat

[green bramble]

i feel like the nightmare system makes the game better than the heat system did

[elfin swift]

Some of the higher difficult trials... Ive only tried the speed one and i struggled
But i dont wanna slwoly grind stardust orz

[elfin swift]

Yeahhh
I like it more

[modern dust]

That sounds great if I don't need to max out the Fear.

[green bramble]

I got like 10+ nightmares while staying under 10 fear

[elfin swift]

Plus charon card helps a lot

[green bramble]

you just need to go after the boss assigned to the current nightmare level (with the right weapon ofc)

[green bramble]

with this you can easily get 1.45 nightmare per successful runs

[elfin swift]

Yaaa
Nmare is definitely easier to farm
Its stardust thats a bit trickier, no charon and significantly more bonespensive

[upbeat sedge]

The easy chaos trials are really easy

[green bramble]

yeah but the way to get it are like a fun minigame

[upbeat sedge]

So there should be a good amount of stardust

[elfin swift]

Its the hard ones... Well i havent tried many of them

i finished all the easy ones and spammed pet treats for the alt looks lol

[upbeat sedge]

Speedrun trial starts you with a good build you just need to get used to playing fast (which admittedly needs practice)

[elfin swift]

And THEN i found out i needed em for npc plotlines whoopsies

[green bramble]

just upgrade the trinkets you need during normal runs

you carry the upgrade w/ you

same for weapons

[elfin swift]

Ooh
I think it is upgraded
My weapons are pretty upgraded, save a couple aspects

Skulls... EA Skulls burned me

[upbeat sedge]

I play with timer 3 permanently on at this point, but it definitely takes a lot of learning to get used to it

[elfin swift]

I should try that
Timer 1 is too easy but ill try timer 2

[upbeat sedge]

I think timer 2 is doable for basically everyone except very new/inexperienced players

Timer 3 takes some practice to get used to

[elfin swift]

Whats the per region limit for timer 2?

[upbeat sedge]

7 min

[elfin swift]

Hm should be simple enough... I usually clear a region in 5 1/2 min?

[upbeat sedge]

Yeah, timer 2 should be free

Timer 3 will take some practice but should eventually be consistently doable, since that is 5 min

[polar laurel]

even timer 3 just on its own isnt very hard

but it becomes incredibly difficult once you start mixing in other fear

[elfin swift]

I usually play w frenzy & rivals minimum

Im still bad at rivalled fights so im practicing

[polar laurel]

i really suck at playing with frenzy

[upbeat sedge]

Just have to learn it

[polar laurel]

ive gotten really good at playing very quickly and efficiently with everything but frenzy but i literally lose runs with just frenzy 2

[upbeat sedge]

Its a big adjustment period but I think its worth learning if you really want to get better

[elfin swift]

Yeah that's why i play with it on
I havent tried frenzy 2..thats scary

[polar laurel]

it depends on how much time i have to sink into this game

[upbeat sedge]

Like you will get owned for the first ~10 runs or whatever when you first turn on frenzy

[elfin swift]

Frenzy made me really dial in on casts and sprints lol

[elfin granite]

Is Scorch affected by Rallying Cry?

You don't need to have the weapon on you.

Source: I just got the waking phrase from Circe while using the Black Coat.

[wanton plover]

how do i get || S-scales, I've already fought typhon once almost beat him... ||

[upbeat sedge]

Random resource in the 4th biome

Just have to see it in a run, raki will increase the odds

[weak edge]

Chat should i wait to unlock the warded gateway for the surface? I feel overwhelmed this my first time ever playing hades and i saw stuff saying the surface is harder and im stuck on Scylla rn haha

[scenic arrow]

48, right? 6 x 8

[cosmic burrow]

A follow up to aromatic phial, if you don’t mind.
Given two common boons, A and B, the run is seeded to always upgrade A. Say you rush a Hermes boon delivery in the fountain room and gain a common boon, C. Does this alter the seed so it has a chance of upgrading boon B?

[restive swallow]

Moros is the most disgustingly op weapon I've seen 🤣

[pulsar oxide]

Don't rush heading there, if you happen to get the materials to unlock it then you can maybe give it a look but you don't have to worry about getting there quickly or anything

[weak edge]

Okay cool thank you

[restive swallow]

Topside is good for getting some resources, but it's significantly harder than botside

Imo unlocking it and getting it secure helps you get started on some later game stuff sooner

[weak edge]

Yeah, it makes sense. The direction I wanna go for now is unlock more weapons and learn the skills better.

[restive swallow]

then don't sweat it

[leaden smelt]

What's the reward for doing max bonds? Artemis is my wife but shes getting expensive asking for so much ambrosia

[lilac sundial]

a few characters just give more stuff to put in the crossroads, few give gameplay buffs

[leaden smelt]

Gotcha can't find info on it anywhere so was curious

[willow rock]

Are there any experienced players who have restarted the game and are uploading their fresh save gameplay to YouTube?

[modern dust]

Is Zeus attack boon decent for Sister Blade default aspect? Any other good recommendation?

[vivid flare]

Poseidon

[prime mica]

scorch is great too

tons of hits build tons of stacks

[idle gorge]

Hey guys does|| malice in kind works on bosses (looking specifically for typhoon but boss in general)|| ?

[split silo]

yes, but it’s actually not good because ||it takes 15% of their current health||

[upbeat sedge]

Blades can take basically any attack boon and its okay

Except heph without poms

[idle gorge]

Oooooooh, explains a lot

thx

[idle gorge]

any recommandations of a better boon ?

[split silo]

medea has some quite good boons and some that are not great

i’d say her best boons are ||enfeeblment of cowards (less enemy projectile speed)

and corrosion on sight (all armored foes lose 50% of their armor upon spawning)||

[upbeat sedge]

I like +5 magick

If your build uses it

[split silo]

yeah that one i was gonna mention now too, very good if your build relies on magick usage

||enfeeblment can also lowkey be a problem if you’re used to iframing certain attacks||

[twin bloom]

|| is the chance of gold on enemy defeat not good? ive taken some runs and i like buying out shops with it||

[split silo]

it can be quite good, because ||a major thing about the surface is buying from hermes shop is a very good way to get stronger, compared to the surface where you don’t have that option||

[idle gorge]

When do I know if I should build my magick or not ? Currently using the unseen arcana and I'm kinda lost with managing that

[split silo]

||but for example if i had the one that takes off 50% armor from enemies, id choose it over the extra gold one||

[upbeat sedge]

Just try playing the weapon, experiment with the omega moves and figure out if you want to be spamming them or if you want to use regular attacks more

If you find yourself using omegas a lot you want enough magick to support that playstyle

[winged scroll]

hey! is there a way to test hammers in the crossroads?

[split silo]

the unseen arcana isn’t great as is, because it costs 5 grasp and there are better alternatives most of the time

you would know if you need to build around magick by seeing what the weapon you’re using is

for example, on ||torches, your normal attack spam throws in an omega in the middle, so you probably will need a decent bit magick||

[split silo]

sadly not, neither that nor boons

mid game-ish spoilers, tread carefully

your best bet would be ||a chaos trial that lets you equip your own keepsake, where you can then take experimental hammer into it, and restart until you get the hammer you wanna test||

[molten ivy]

|| Prometheus || doing 65 per hit is insane even with Strength

[idle gorge]

What alternatives would you suggest ? I undesrtand that it makes magick based boons quite bad bc obviously I have passive regen, but on the other hand I struggle to clear a starting room if I have to count my magick a lot

[modern dust]

Wait for real? I thought for sister blades it is better to take flat damage as compared to % 😮

[upbeat sedge]

Enemies should die before you run out of mana in regular rooms

[modern dust]

I'm still a noob at determining builds

[upbeat sedge]

Or you can clean up the remaining ones with a few normal attacks

[split silo]

the best 5 grasp card that you don’t turn off in 99.9% of the time is Origination

[idle gorge]

Asuming you have a max perseverance or what ?

[split silo]

for magick management, on most weapons you want to mostly weave in omegas with the normal attacks/specials/casts, so especially early rooms should be cleared before you do run out

but yeah, perseverance maxed is quite good

[idle gorge]

kinda spamming ||omega special on the axe|| so it tends to get costly

I guess i'll have to learn a bit,
which multiplier stack in terms of damage

[split silo]

that can become quite a lengthy conversation, but in short, almost all multipliers are additive

[idle gorge]

Uuuh, sad I guess, does it work like in the first ? If yes, I get the gist of it

[split silo]

for axe, i’d suggest you mostly focus on the normal and omega attacks, weaving on omega specials if need be

biggest tip for the axe is to do 2 normal hits, use a special, and after the special finishes, go back to normal hits

this is to not do the final attack of the sequence which can take some time

[split silo]

yeah pretty much

[idle gorge]

What is an arcana set you'd recommand ? I try to activate the queen as much as possible but I haven't seen any crazy duos in ~40 runs

[split silo]

do you have all cards unlocked/full grasp?

[idle gorge]

I am at 29, I don't know how to get ||darkness||

[split silo]

you can find that in ||chaos’ realm||

[idle gorge]

Oh so I guess one day they'll tell me how to get it

[split silo]

i don’t recall if there’s a certain dialogue from them, but it’s basically the ||plant|| in that realm

[split silo]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzYiLCJjNyIsImMxMiIsImMxMyIsImMxNCIsImMxNSIsImMxNiIsImMxNyIsImMyMSIsImMyMiIsImMyNCJd i’m on mobile so i can’t grab a direct screenshot, but this is a good setup that you can run most of the time

you can start from there and adjust slightly depending on build

[idle gorge]

Oh ok

That's so far from what i'm using

[split silo]

if you have any questions do ask

i forgot to flip it but that setup does also activate The Queen

[idle gorge]

Ok that's great to know

I'll look into that thx

[upper swan]

is there any way to avoid the attack that turns u into a sheep in the hecate fight? it's the only part of the fight that realy annoys me

[split silo]

yeah, you have to dash into the ball instead of away from it

[upper swan]

oh okay

[split silo]

do that 6-7 times? i forgot the exact number, and then itll time out and dissappear

[upper swan]

https://tenor.com/view/67-gif-8575841764206736991

sorry yeah okay thanks for the help

[split silo]

alternatively if you have extra movement speed from apollo or hermes, you can just sprint away from it until it disappears

[slender bone]

You know what, i don't need to bother with Rival Polyphemus. That thing is just overtuned hell.

[vale maple]

||after I have been giving nectar for a while and offer a bath to Dora she seems to want something that looks like a fish? What is it and how do I get it?||

[split silo]

||that is the twin lures, an item similiar to bath salts, there’s an incantation that gives you one or two, and you can also buy it from the broker||

[vale maple]

Ty 🙂

This game is awesome BTW

[elfin granite]

If the broker doesn't list something as a needed resource, does that mean I've exhausted all uses for that thing in the entire game? Or does it only count recipes that have already been revealed?

[lilac sundial]

Only revealed ones
Even then it lies, I wanted to make more of something and because it wasn't listed a sold a bunch of flowers I shouldn't have.

[elfin granite]

gulp

[lilac sundial]

So only sell if you need the resources for something. Don't sell all of something until late game, always keep a bit of everything. Like you won't need 100 silver, keep 10. Fish are all fine to sell whenever.

[lofty lotus]

so i suck at the game, i havent gotten past the second zone yet, aka i killed scylla once i was wondering is there some guide i could look up(or just advice really) on the best boon combos for the daggers

[scenic arrow]

try poseidon attack and zeus special, maybe

throw the special occasionally, mash attack a lot

[lofty lotus]

is ghost onion good when startiing out?

[scenic arrow]

yeah, though maybe I'd try to use Narc's keepsake

[vivid flare]

No

[scenic arrow]

It makes all fountains better, while turning one of your boons to max rarity

[modern dust]

Is DD or strength early better? For a newb? assuming unupgraded

[lofty lotus]

and in general how many gods should one focus on?

[scenic arrow]

both are good, idk.
Strength might be better because you can just heal, though you'll have less overall health for a boss, assuming if you're going from 100 to 0

[scenic arrow]

the game tries to only let you have 4 gods per run

[lofty lotus]

i know but like should i go for all 4? or should i focus on money if i have the choice between god and money or arachne or poms or hammer. as in are boons more important to get than anything else

[vivid flare]

Well, you can only get up to 5 gods in a run under normal circumstances, but usually you'll have 4

Not counting Hermes, he's special

[vivid flare]

Priority is generally hammer before boons, boons before poms, and health/mana as needed until you're comfortable

[lofty lotus]

ty

[vivid flare]

Gold's also an option over poms, since gold becomes boons or healing in the shop

[split silo]

also some boons just don’t benefit much from poms, that can also factor in

[vast oriole]

What exactly do I do with Fear? I have a bit by now, but the explanations I saw so far are very vague.

[scenic arrow]

fear = heat
Turn on modifiers for more fear and difficulty.
You have bounties. You must have enough fear with that weapon equipped, then defeat that boss, to earn Nightmare, a valuable upgrade material.
You can unlock funny statues for achievements and bragging rights, if you win runs with 8 fear, 16 fear, and 32/24 fear equipped.

[vivid flare]

Get it up to the amount needed for your weapon's bounty, go kill the marked boss

[vast oriole]

I have beaten a few bosses with a bit of fear, but i haven't seen any weapon being indicated.

[scenic arrow]

"Testaments of the Night", left side of the fear screen before you leave

For example, if I have staff equipped, the first boss I need to beat is Hecate, with 1 fear enabled.
After I beat hecate, I get a nightmare.
Next run, the next boss is Scylla at 2 fear.

[vast oriole]

Hubris seems to me like a pretty forgiving mod so far

[scenic arrow]

yeah, if you want to easily crank your fear, just turn on like 1 or 2 in most slots, and avoid the obviously evil ones.
Void, Frenzy, and Forfeit are especially nasty.

[vast oriole]

Denial also seems ok as long as you know what you are doing, which I'm not so sure about myself 😄

[scenic arrow]

1 debt, 1 scars, 1 pain, 1 hordes, 1 hubris, doesn't really change the game that much
Stuff like Shadows, Menace, and Return will change the gameplay a bit, but not "makes the game crushing"

[scenic arrow]

Denial can help you delete bad boons from the loot pool, which can be helpful. I'm not wise enough for it, though.

[carmine sapphire]

practice on rivals

it probably should be your most permanent fear

[scenic arrow]

ehhhhhhhhh I'm not sure I can recommend permanent rivals 3 or 4

Rivals 1 is pretty reasonable. Rivals 2 is quite tough now, imo.

[vivid flare]

Hordes and Wards, too

[scenic arrow]

Wards is matchup dependent, Hordes is fine until the other fear gets high I think

I play on hordes 1 and it's not too shabby for 24ish fear

[vast oriole]

and at what point can you upgrade a weapon with the generated Nightmare?

[vivid flare]

Frenzy 1 is also a good temperature adjustment

[fierce pebble]

just dont be scared

[scenic arrow]

yeah I think so too.
I'm not sure permanent frenzy 2 is the play anymore, though

[fierce pebble]

then fear cant affect you

[vivid flare]

When you get the Aspects of Night and Darkness upgrade

[scenic arrow]

nightmare is used to upgrade non-melinoe aspects, and hidden aspects specifically
Melinoe can be upgraded to 5 without nightmare, which is nice

[prime mica]

This is because you need to ||unlock the surface bosses||

[vivid flare]

Hidden aspects also take Nightmare, I thought

[molten ivy]

When do you unlock the ability to upgrade || pets ||?

[scenic arrow]

get the 4th pet

[prime mica]

Theres ||an incantation you get from hecate during her boss battle||

[vivid flare]

I believe you have to recruit the base 3 and use them all?

[vast oriole]

ye, so far i had a breathing problem there 🙂

[scenic arrow]

it's base 4 now, I think
the new familiar unlocks have been adjusted a ton

[carmine sapphire]

vof 1 and 2 have entirely different muscle memory though. personally once you’ve chosen a vof level to practice on you shouldn’t really change it anymore

[fierce pebble]

is there a cauldron ritual that adds a very early fountain to the underworld route? (like the fountain you find right away in ephyra)

[vivid flare]

Side note, overshooting Fear just means you don't have to ratchet it up for a bit

[tidal moss]

No

[vivid flare]

There is not

[fierce pebble]

thx

[prime mica]

Theres one that ||randomly turns a room into a fountain room.||

[vivid flare]

There is a mid-biome fountain you can unlock like there is for all the other regions

[fierce pebble]

guess that makes aromatic phial less broken OP in the underworld compared to the surface

[vivid flare]

Nah, you just equip it second region before the fountain after Hecate

[fierce pebble]

ah

[prime mica]

Yup that way you can pick a god keepsake first

[fierce pebble]

still, that means you (probably) wont be able to control with 100% certainty which boon gets upgraded

[vivid flare]

Phial's usually done as the second region keepsake

[fierce pebble]

in surface runs i do it right away

[scenic arrow]

I'm just kinda turned off of rivals 2 at the moment
They're so so so hard lol

[tidal moss]

Unless you only take one boon but realistically that shouldn't happen

[vivid flare]

Frenzy, not Rivals

[prime mica]

Yeah, but you can rarify a common boon that you dont want to be targeted by the phial

[scenic arrow]

oh I never see anyone say vof so my brain just went "vor"

[tidal moss]

You basically want to turn on max frenzy as soon as you can and never take it off, same with the first two levels of vor

[scenic arrow]

I turned off frenzy 2 a while ago, it was just too brutal when stacked on with rivals. I think they nerfed their synergy, though

[tidal moss]

The only one it's really bad on is Scylla

Eris is a bit tricky but poly and hecate are still a cakewalk

[scenic arrow]

It was really really bad on typhon and chronos too, pretty sure those were targeted

[carmine sapphire]

||eris|| is free, vor ||scylla|| is cheeks

[tidal moss]

Yeah if you are tryna beat vor 4 frenzy is not the way to go

[carmine sapphire]

oops

[scenic arrow]

bro eris got buffed so much I guess I always sucked at that fight

[tidal moss]

Quite possibly, you actually have to focus up now 😭

[fierce pebble]

when she decides to put her back to a wall

it's joever

[carmine sapphire]

honestly rivals has so little fear lol

all that is not worth 12

[fierce pebble]

unrivaled eris, mother of all monsters

[tidal moss]

Nah it's fair imo

[carmine sapphire]

i turned off vow of time for now lol

[scenic arrow]

I am not used to laser doing 20 damage it's wild out there

[tidal moss]

Why, it's literally free fear

[carmine sapphire]

i’m rusty as hell lol

trying to reacclimate myself with rivals

[vast oriole]

You kind of have to struggle through the ||surface|| a bit for ||Bronze|| to get the ||Aspect of night and Day,|| right? At least that's what i just did.

[carmine sapphire]

i’ll put time 2 ig

rn i just have rivals and nothing else

[tidal moss]

Yes

[tidal moss]

Ah if you're just practising rivals then fair, I thought you were doing full runs

[carmine sapphire]

i have 100% winrate without rivals and like 10-15% with

[scenic arrow]

that's what I'm saying bro

[tidal moss]

Rivals unironically makes the prom fight easier than the Cerb one

[scenic arrow]

I'm actually just a rivals 1 andy now

[carmine sapphire]

i agree, somehow underworld rivals >>> surface rivals lol

[tidal moss]

Yeah i can just about get away with 2 but it is not worth playing for 32+ fear

[indigo quest]

What's the best familiar to nax first?

Max*

[tidal moss]

I would say frinos

[vast oriole]

It would be quite an QoL improvement if Training Dummy guy would be dying and you'd have to wait 5 sec each time.

Also an uneducated take from me so far: Fireball is just all around great.

[spark stirrup]

hey i just have a question. is there some sort of internal cooldown on how often things can proc? i was running the 30% chance for attacks to proc special on the coat and it just wasnt coming out nearly that fast considering how fast i was attacking. plus i had the hermes +30 to chance stuffs so it should have been near 50 i think. is it like max 1 per second or something?

[tidal moss]

There is a rocket cooldown of some sort I believe to stop it from getting too broken

[vast oriole]

So far i have hesitated to pick Dark Side, since I figured I'd have no idea what to do with like new skills or so. Is it good?

[scenic arrow]

hermes chance is not additive, it's multiplicative

[spark stirrup]

kinda sad.

[scenic arrow]

if hermes gives you +30% chance, then you have 0.25 * 1.3 which equals 32.5% chance of rockets

[spark stirrup]

40% i hear you

[scenic arrow]

32%

[spark stirrup]

regardless ill look over it again but it didnt feel correct

[pearl sand]

it's worth taking and trying it out. you get a free cast as soon as you get it

[dull kite]

should i seek out common boons with hubris and ignore epics or is taking epics worth it?

[tidal moss]

If you find a good epic then take it

[modern dust]

Any tips for using dash in this game? I feel like I end up dash attacking a lot. Am I supposed to hold sprint after dashing for few seconds before deciding whether its safe to attack or not? I might be too fast

[vast oriole]

I'd surely had simply tried it out if it wasn't for the 110 Mana requirement, which is kinda reserved for kind of a caster build - i think.

[dull kite]

what about rush epic

[tidal moss]

You've got to plan your dashes, you can't spam it like you did in the first game

[scenic arrow]

I recommend turning on autosprint

[pearl sand]

yeah, for sure

[tidal moss]

Yeah I'd take that

[tidal moss]

That's a thing?

[modern dust]

how much time am i supposed to be leaving before my attacks after dashing usually

[scenic arrow]

so you don't need to hold to sprint

[modern dust]

not sure how slow or deliberate must i be

[scenic arrow]

if you are sprinting, you will generally get a dash attack

if you're doing a combo, like on axe, you can continue the combo between dashes

[modern dust]

i mean as in should i be immediately dash attacking shortly after a dash, or should i be sprinting for few seconds before deciding whether its save to hit boss or not

[wanton plover]

is there like a random weapon incantatio where i can use a random weapon per night?

[tidal moss]

You mostly want to be doing dash attacks, however I play max frenzy so you can dodge, wait a tiny bit, and then hit a normal attack

[tidal moss]

Not really

[scenic arrow]

do you want to dash attack or not?
Dash attacking is generally good, so you can kinda just go for it, as long as it's safe

[wanton plover]

noo, usually how I choose my weapon is what weapon has thirst so i can use them all

[scenic arrow]

your dash will come back often enough that after an attack or two, you can dash again, so there's not really a huge window where you have no evasive options

[tidal moss]

There is something similar you can do but it's not really a run and is unlocked at the very end of the game

[pearl sand]

assign each weapon a number and use a rng?

[wanton plover]

btw I love ||Aspect of Circe with Toula||

[modern dust]

oh good to know

[vast oriole]

With Sacrifice Boons I'd give up one of my equipped ones and get a new upgraded one instead?

[scenic arrow]

yes

[wanton plover]

I assume the post game is big right? still havent beaten the ||surface boss|| but hopefully there's more even iafter beating him 5 times

[vast oriole]

Is this restricted to the slot i give up?

[scenic arrow]

oh are you looking at the sacrifice boon thing from the purple shop

[vast oriole]

yeah

[scenic arrow]

your next boon will offer a sacrifice choice, like Aphro Attack, which will replace your old attack boon, and be higher rarity

you don't need to give up a boon right now, when you purchase it, and you can decide to cancel if you want, I think

[pearl sand]

you'll get offered one replacement, two regular boons

[scenic arrow]

yeah, you can just pick something else if it's gonna replace something important

[vast oriole]

so it is bound to a certain slot. I can't give up like "boots" to get an attack boon?

[scenic arrow]

no

[pearl sand]

correct. it's a slot swap

[twin bloom]

do ||s scales|| like never spawn?? ive seen all the other materials in that area just never that one i feel like

[scenic arrow]

yeah it's based on the god boon you get. If you have an aphro boon, then aphro will replace one of your nonaphro core boons with one of her own

[scenic arrow]

it's a mineral I think, so Raki can help

[vast oriole]

ah i see. So it's not necesarrily bound to a certain slot, but it just has to switch gods?

[scenic arrow]

yeah you sacrifice one god boon for another god's boon, in the same slot

[vast oriole]

idk the skull weapon seems pretty busted to me. Not even because of the pretty safe ranged play style but rather for the 2nd pseudo dodge you get.

[scenic arrow]

yeah the mobility is really nice
in exchange though, it's not a very good combat move besides its utility

[vast oriole]

yeah true, but having a built in dodge that you use anyways to pick up your "ammo" makes you really elusive.

[scenic arrow]

can you believe it didn't have a magnet effect before

[vast oriole]

and the mostly used special as a ranged attack is anyways replaced by the normal attack

[vast oriole]

okay, that would be inconvenient 😄

[scenic arrow]

spamming dash into special over and over to move quickly is super fun though

[woeful idol]

||any advice on how to beat Scylla?||

[scenic arrow]

kill the drummer

[woeful idol]

that's it??

[tidal moss]

Kill the drummer, then scylla, then roxy

[scenic arrow]

yup. drummer creates aoes that control the space. she is stationary.
kill her first, the fight becomes a lot simpler.

[woeful idol]

ok ty chat

[robust flame]

i tried it but i didnt really vibe with it much
maybe I'll try it agajn

[vast oriole]

tbh it isn't as much fun as like Sister Blades, but it's just very good/effective imo.

[tidal moss]

Skull is one of the worst weapons imo

[scenic arrow]

skull is a lot of fun, explosive grenade launcher with decent damage

[robust flame]

ive only been able to beat chronos and reach typhon with the black coat so far

[scenic arrow]

whoa wild, black coat tends to be one of the ones people gravitate towards last

[tidal moss]

Yeah black coat is really finicky and just not a great weapon to build around

[robust flame]

oh no i love its my favorite
tbf the twin fists were my go to in the first game

[scenic arrow]

it's not bad now after all the buffs

[broken wraith]

Is there a max amount of gods u can see in a run?

[robust flame]

finicky how? i basically mow down enemies with a combination of cast and Ω special

[scenic arrow]

normally 4, you can force more with keepsakes

[broken wraith]

Bless

[scenic arrow]

special rockets have a mind of their own sometimes. Delivery time and accuracy can vary a lot, especially without hammers

[thick ice]

I have no idea how to avoid ||Hecate’s curse, and it lasts so long||

[robust flame]

not counting hermes or selene or the ones who show up in person i assume

[robust flame]

i managed to outrun it once and i still dont know how

[scenic arrow]

your dash can go straight through it.
Dash baack and forth through it, it'll despawn after a while(like 7 dashes)

[tidal moss]

Or stand behind frinos

[scenic arrow]

or just eat the polymorph early

[thick ice]

… that sounds hard

[tidal moss]

With practice you can do it 100% of the time easy

[thick ice]

That’s fair. It’s a pretty boring attack cuz even ||as a sheep|| I rarely get hit at all

[vast oriole]

If you have smth that buffs your specail it always also applies to Omega special, right?

[tidal moss]

I don't think so no

[vast oriole]

hm would be a bit misleading phrasing then tbh

[tidal moss]

There are buffs that apply specifically to omega moves as well

[scenic arrow]

Special = just normal special
Specials = both normal and omega
Omega Special = just omega special

[vast oriole]

yeah, but that would be an accurate desciption then, while special should be both

[scenic arrow]

the plural is really important in this game (for some reason)

[tidal moss]

Right didn't know this

Will have to pay more attention

[scenic arrow]

It's mostly for hammers that you need to pay attnetion

[vast oriole]

"Magick Recharge Cost" just means your Hex will be X more expensive the next time?

[scenic arrow]

uh yes I think

[vast oriole]

okay the Duo Boon giving you lvls to all your left column boons is pretty busted. Just gave me 8

[tidal moss]

Kings ransom?

[vast oriole]

hm, I didn't really look at the name

[tidal moss]

The one between zeus and hera

[vast oriole]

Must have been Natural Selection

Poseidon/Demeter

[tidal moss]

Ohhhh that one

[quasi galleon]

does priming some magic enable the huntress?

[scenic arrow]

no

[vast oriole]

The Hot Spot boon giving you increased dodge chance against scorched targets doesn't really work that great if Scorch only lasts 1 sec?

[prime mica]

No, even if youre 1/1

[scenic arrow]

scorch can last forever if you keep applying it

scorch should generally be your main damage button, not support

[versed salmon]

Did y'all find Hades 2 to be easier to learn? I love the changes it's made compared to the first one but also think it's a lot harder.

have yet to beat the headmistress in 15 tries

[tidal moss]

There is more depth and alot more strategy and less spam, so yes it is harder

[scenic arrow]

I found Hades 2 to be a lot more intuitive but its not a universal experience

[indigo quest]

Bruh I beat Chronos on night 15

[versed salmon]

Still learning ☺️

[raven sluice]

well are you still having fun trying?

[versed salmon]

I love these games! Yes I do

[carmine sapphire]

the biggest difference for me is pace. because you lose your second dash, you have to use cast to slow enemies down. panic dodging is not really a thing here

[versed salmon]

I've never been a panic dodger with H1. I stay back with the staff.

Err spear?

Anyways, lots to learn

[stiff hawk]

Man 2nd zone is so much harder than Asphodel was. Going to Asphodel the rooms fel huge so much room to dodge and fight. All the rooms at the bottom of the ocean feel so crampt and so easy to get ya self back into trouble

[dull kite]

why can't i use artificer on the bones you get from poseidon's boon?

[upbeat sedge]

its not a room reward

[carmine sapphire]

the weapons are a lot more aoe than hades 1 feel. also the game rewards you a lot more for dashing through enemies. i like to dodge through to force them to clump together then wipe them

[dull kite]

sigh i forgot to use artificer, such an awful feeling arcana

[carmine sapphire]

there’s another arcana that allows you to convert minor rewards

[dull kite]

that's artificer

[carmine sapphire]

oh lol mb

[dull kite]

it ruins your build if you use it early and you can't use it in the 4th underworld region

[stiff hawk]

I am learning that casting is more improtant this time around. where in 1 unless I was doing a cast build I ignored it. this time I relise it is so more imprtant to have your cast being used

[carmine sapphire]

well tbf hades 1 cast doesn’t do much compared to 2

[stiff hawk]

Hades 1 cast depending on what boon you had and if it did anything with your build this time it good for crowd control

[modern dust]

Finally got my first win after turning on auto sprint. But I also made some serious keybind changes, which was to put all my face buttons for attack cast and special on to my bumpers and triggers on my controller and only put dash on my face button. Felt easier to input and control my character!

[empty lintel]

if you don't mind me responding directly to your comment, I've personally been the one recruited to help curate the Hades 2 guides for mobalytics.

I have made it past erebus countless times lol. I don't usually record gameplay, but have posted a few vids on youtube from various patches if you'd like to verify.

Feel free to @ me and ask any questions. Legit, we are open to all feedback on what could be better on our site!

[restive swallow]

Ah I was talking generally, I don't know the ins and outs of every online gaming service, apologies for generalising

It got bad enough that I just couldn't do freelance work for most of them because it felt dishonest

[upbeat sedge]

your descriptions were pre-1.0 and haven't been updated, as far as I can tell, though the actual tier list itself looks to have been modified

in general though I think your stuff is very high quality for a typical online guide

[raven sluice]

Cool, i wanted to recommend u tweak with the god mode if you ever feel too frustrated but glad ur having fun

[upbeat sedge]

most people who churn out stuff for popular games are writers who don't specialize in the game and talk about stuff that is objectively terrible

[restive swallow]

As a relatively newer player (beaten botside, now gotta try topside), I don't know what guides are good, but I know bad when I see it

[vast oriole]

gaming journalism in a nutshell. That's why it's dead. However maxroll and moba are decent.

[versed salmon]

I felt like if I used God mode it would take away from the true challenge the game presents.

[restive swallow]

Well, this is just it. A lot of these sites will take you on and give you five or six articles to write that day, and you're often not given proper chance to even play the games and you kinda have to do it because it's your income

[empty lintel]

no worries! Didn't mean it as like a comeback, just noticed a few people chatting about our stuff and wanted to make myself available to any feedback!
I definitely get where you are coming from though, as most game writers seem to have zero expertise in what they are writing about lol.

[upbeat sedge]

the issue is that a lot of online guides have the chatgpt problem
if you are a new player and do not know what is good, the advice sounds reasonable, even if it sucks

if you are experienced you can tell a good guide from a bad one, but you are also less likely to actually need the guide in the first place

[raven sluice]

Well fair, but they made it so that you can adjust the percentages so ur not just downright invincible

[restive swallow]

I mean I just don't use online guides, I've always found them plain inferior than just getting comfortable and then maybe I'll look into what other people do later

[raven sluice]

i feel like it’s a good way to learn boss patterns at stuff with it on

[empty lintel]

thank you, I appreciate that! And yes, you are right, we are still working on updating everything that changed with the 1.0 patch. some stuff I'm still testing out before commiting to the changes

[modern dust]

Should I bother with chaos trials just only beating Chronos once? Or should I wait till I get more normal resources because apparently the game said you won't be able to get usual resources?

[restive swallow]

but I definitely think that these larger sites and mags really should just get people who are heavily invested into specific games rather than getting 20 different people to do a poor job

[upbeat sedge]

up to you, some people play hades to experience the story and others play it for the challenge
because of the fear system, the difficulty can be as hard as you want it to be

[empty lintel]

yea i agree. the gaming industry is flooded, and if you don't already have a lot of experience in a game, how are you supposed to distinguish what is actually good advice? and too many people just pooping out ai content like you said.

[restive swallow]

Companies' scramble for AI content is so disastrous because no-one trusts anything any more

[scenic arrow]

none of you are real human beings except for me
I am the last hades 2 player

[restive swallow]

I've stopped reading most online newspapers because of it

[empty lintel]

honestly, regardless of any guide or a games "meta" the best way is to always just experiment and discover what you like best

[scenic arrow]

I still read some websites I pay for, like economist and financial times, but there is a lot of slop out there

[restive swallow]

Yeah, I agree. I mean, my personally, I've got to play around having a disability that affects my hands, and I think everyone has some kind of issue like that which makes the game uniquely hard for them. I definitely get concerned seeing new players looking up meta builds because like, jeez, it's a game

And not a competitive one

[scenic arrow]

I don't think it's too bad for people to look for advice or tips, but yeah some people literally do ask exactly what build they should get

[restive swallow]

And if you think a good build will correct not knowing how to space chronos or watch for his mixups, it doesn't

[vast oriole]

well... that's honestly a pretty cookie cutter take. "Meta" is usually what is proven to work best/very well by people who are pushing the boundaries.

[restive swallow]

Oh, tips and advice are a-ok

[scenic arrow]

"What hammers, what gods, what keepsakes, which familiar, which arcana" all back to back

[restive swallow]

I was in here asking how to avoid || Chronos's second nuke that doesn't always show up as red ||

[scenic arrow]

didn't I answer you back then lol

[restive swallow]

Think so

Once I got that down I'm cleaning house 🤣 I would get to chronus every time and die to that one ability

[vast oriole]

So although a lot of people get allergic to the term, it's in 99% of circumstances the best approach

[restive swallow]

But here's the thing

is 'best' the most optimal to win?

A new player who chases the meta isn't going to experience the job of nyx coat hephaestus punch blowing up the entire battlefield every second

[scenic arrow]

I think everyone has to reach their own conclusion. Some games are fun when you push their builds to the limit. Some games are more fun when you don't have cheesy things winning for you. It depends.

[restive swallow]

and idk if that's actually better or if it's people having this weird thing now that every game has to be treated as competitive

[upbeat sedge]

@empty lintel I do want to say that I think the god tier list is hard because I think that the gods are relatively well balanced
||ares|| is underwhelming except in specific builds but even poseidon and apollo, who you have ranked lower, are fine

like apollo is pretty similar to aphrodite in that he provides a mix of decent damage and survivability, also his gain was buffed in 1.0 to be one of the best in the game

poseidon definitely has his poopy boons that don't do anything but he also has good boons that complement omega playstyles and happens to work well with zeus and hera, which are the broken gods
the justification for him being in A tier is definitely lower than apollo though imo

[versed salmon]

Love the game no matter if I win or lose. Getting closer to winning is ever more satisfying 😀

[vast oriole]

that's why you have "meta" starter builds and meta end game builds.

[restive swallow]

Spoiler the god that only appears later on

[empty lintel]

haha well speaking of our site, we actually do have a full breakdown of how to deal with every Chronos attack with gifs, etc. so pop by if you want a spoiler on how to beat him easier.

[restive swallow]

You're so missing the point my guy

No build is going to resolve a new player's issues

[elfin swift]

Love chasing poseidon just for froth and everything after is kimd of dookie

[restive swallow]

Oh no I've done successful clears like seven times in a row now I've got him down 🤣

[scenic arrow]

don't think you need nyx coat for that though

[vast oriole]

well my guy. Then you are pretty much contradicting the whole history games...

[restive swallow]

But it's about habit, if you start off going for meta as a player, you're a lot less likely to deviate and explore new things

[empty lintel]

are you talking about the huge explosion at the beginning of ||phase 2?||

[restive swallow]

because nyx coat looks terrible, and you know what? It kinda is, but it's fun

[scenic arrow]

nyx coat is really good though

[restive swallow]

Spoilers. And it's about the || second one || - because it's not always visually clear

[restive swallow]

Oh with some builds, with hephastus punch? Eh, less good. Pogged up with any kind of sprinting stuff tho

[empty lintel]

that's a fair take. I was considering getting rid of C-tier in the gods tier list and moving Ares up. And yea his buffed gain is super good on any fiast-hitting aspects!

[restive swallow]

I think every god has to be taken in the context of the weapon and other gods, which is such a cringe answer because you can't tier list that lmao

[scenic arrow]

also circe might resolve a new player's issues, that aspect is pretty easy to access and really really strong while not really requiring accuracy

[restive swallow]

but I value hera on axe so highly and less so on others

[scenic arrow]

I think she's goated on basically everything

[empty lintel]

and every god is going to be the "best god" on a specific build, so it is very theoretical to rank them tbh

[restive swallow]

I recommend thanatos axe, honestly

[restive swallow]

Oh she is, but for axe, she's crazy good because you have a massive aoe as your attack

no daedalus needed, making it super reliable

[scenic arrow]

(which aspect is ||Ares|| best for I still can't find it)

[vast oriole]

you can very well tailor a build with certain boons and a certain weapon that is easy to execute and still packs a respectable power leven. You are just arguing against wind mills with a cookie cutter take that "meta" is a bad thing.

[restive swallow]

I find axe fun as hell and I like big number go up

the same reason I like hera axe is the same reason I like hephaestus nyx coat

yup

[upbeat sedge]

@empty lintel in the keepsakes section, it might be worth mentioning that defensive boons when combined with antler makes it much safer
when you have antler things die VERY fast so even a little defense can go a long way
security system can last for entire rooms, and in general armor from heph, snow queen from demeter, and lovers charges help a lot with not dying before the boss does

for knuckle bones it might be worth mentioning that it is a defensive keepsake that you can run without turning strength off, and might have value there as a result

[elfin swift]

I havent seen the guide but i feel like the god meta is probably less tier list and more, for the 4 main boons mostly a like "these are the specific aspects or general play styles these boons shine best in"

[upbeat sedge]

god meta is literally just that zeus is broken on almost everything, hera is close behind, and everything else is completely fine ||except ares who is a bit sucky but still workable||

it kind of makes the 3 new keepsakes they just added better because so many gods are fine to take

[empty lintel]

good points! we can add that. Personally I use white antler a lot, but it seems so niche to players that are confident with dodging, and ||the rivals fights are really hard with antler, or else I would've moved it higher consider things like trusty shield, snow queen, security, etc.||

[restive swallow]

Yes but Zeus doesn't make big number go up

[restive swallow]

I don't rate antler because I'm bad at dodging 😎

[upbeat sedge]

thunder flourish +17 with double strike +17 is big number

[scenic arrow]

it makes the big healthbar small though

[empty lintel]

do you already have every aspect unlocked?

[vast oriole]

some things are always more effective than others. You can distinguish that by "for new players" and "experienced players" but the fact remains. And that's just logical.

[upbeat sedge]

||ares|| attack/special is like, okay on everything but not great

[scenic arrow]

I better, I have 24 rank 5 aspects

[upbeat sedge]

you are mostly taking it to enable the double damage boon

[scenic arrow]

yup, it's a sidegrade, at best

[upbeat sedge]

which is like the one broken boon he has

i most commonly take him paired with zeus

because double damage makes blitz pop even harder

but this is partially due to zeus being broken

[obtuse prairie]

What's the paper-with-writing looking icon that appears over some location rewards?

[upbeat sedge]

its probably a miniboss you havent fought yet

[scenic arrow]

I think you'll be offered something for a prophecy? Like a miniboss

[upbeat sedge]

and is needed for a fated list

[obtuse prairie]

Stupid option making me miss a visit to the best NPC.

Thanks y'all.

[upbeat sedge]

you only have to take it and beat it once!

afterwards you'll have unlocked the entry and can ignore it :^)

[obtuse prairie]

Yes but I want to see them, see them, see them.

[scenic arrow]

you get loot for doing the prophecy so you should probably get it done

[upbeat sedge]

the allure of the fated list ruining your build is strong

we have all been there

[obtuse prairie]

Yes yes. I'm going to. That's why I'm complaining.

[scenic arrow]

I have made so many sacrifices for the fated list

[rare spruce]

hello gang where do i get adamant i need it to craft the other weapon

[obtuse prairie]

Thanks for the info. 💛

[scenic arrow]

zone 3 surface mining

[obtuse prairie]

||Olympus||

[empty lintel]

in that case, the *best ||Ares ||build is probably, ||Vicious strike (ares attack) on Medea, because the +50 Power from wounds massibely benefits from the get go with +90% attack/special boost of Medea. Plus the large aoe means basicaly every enemy will have wounds, then you can use Griveious blow for some insange damage ||

Otherwise, I really like ||Ares special on all of the knives (not pan), becuase you can focus on attacks, then spec every 3 seconds for min/max wounds uptime||

[upbeat sedge]

on knives I like zeus special

[scenic arrow]

the question I have to ask is, when would you use him instead of, say, Zeus? or Heph? Both excel as support buttons.
Meanwhile, Hestia, Apollo, and Aphro excel as main buttons for something like Medea atk

[rare spruce]

i cant seem to beat eris any tips? only been able to get her to half hp

[upbeat sedge]

the speed at which you are allowed to throw out the special is roughly the same as when you'd be popping blitz

[scenic arrow]

stay close to her, go behind her frequently

[rare sage]

Hellos ppl, I hope everyone is doing well, I need some help with knowing which weapon aspect I cleared a run with, since it's hard to know from the codex

[upbeat sedge]

so it adds a lot of extra damage

[rare spruce]

any weapons will work? or is there any specific one that is better

[upbeat sedge]

i've seen people do ||ares rockets|| on coat but idk if that's actually good because coat is my worst aspect

[rare sage]

The staff is easy to kill with with the range

[rare spruce]

thanks will try it later

[scenic arrow]

I think range is a trap, it's easier for her to track you if you're far away

[empty lintel]

ok INSTEAD of zeus/hera. I mean as long as you don't have ||vow of wards on, wounds|| can clear rooms faster than hitch in many cases. Instead of Zeus, an aspect like mel axe would be better with ||ares|| than zues, becuase you are triggering blitz too slowly.

[restive swallow]

All work, the general thing in common that helped me was just being way more agressive

[upbeat sedge]

her turn rate is fairly good when aiming but very bad when attacking, easiest way to avoid her is to constantly be behind her and when she is shooting you have a lot of time to hit her

[scenic arrow]

if you're close, and dash behind her, she needs to turn 180degrees
If you're midrange, and do a dash, she might need to adjust like, 30degrees

[dull kite]

does narcissus give one extra dd or doesn't if it's full?

[scenic arrow]

not if full

[empty lintel]

a common build is black coat, ||ares on spec + pos on attack. go for their duo + pos legendary.|| very good.

[vast oriole]

The weapon to beat ||Chronos|| specifically the easiest is ||Argent Skull||, since you can simply bypass almost all his mechanics with the omega special - imo.

[rare spruce]

thanks for the replys will try to beat eris later

[scenic arrow]

that's probably true idk I haven't really tried full car

[vast oriole]

whatever attack he's launching you just dash through him

[rare sage]

Any help here?

[upbeat sedge]

the easiest weapon to win with is the broken ones because pro tip: dead enemies do no damage

[scenic arrow]

no clue, if you don't have the recordkeeper yet, I don't know how you track your previous wins

[upbeat sedge]

the boss also does no damage if they get to do 1 attack before they are instantly phased

[rare sage]

Aight

[vast oriole]

i mean arguing from the starting point of an uber one shot build isn't really all that applicable tbh.

[upbeat sedge]

you can look in the well to see your clear records with the weapon
it doesn't break it down by aspect though, just by weapon

[vast oriole]

The only weapon that really doesn't vibe with me are the Umbral Flames.

[stiff hawk]

So I'm on the rift of thessaly. I have the artificer arcana card to change minor finds to major finds. I'm looking at the nectar that just dropped from the encounter. And all it says is E to gain +1. Why can I not upgrade it to a major find? What am I not understanding. Sorry new player.

[upbeat sedge]

obviously a bit exaggerated but even for newer players, in general if your damage is high you have much better odds of winning
shortening the time you have to actually dodge attacks from enemies before they die is one of the biggest survivability boosts

especially for boss fights

[vast oriole]

not getting hit due to the dash doesn't mean you sacrifice dmg at all.

[scenic arrow]

I think you should be able to? did you equip the card? did you already use your charges elsewhere? It's per run, not per biome

[upbeat sedge]

my point is that if you're playing an aspect that is generally regarded as strong (as long as you learn how it actually is supposed to work), you have better odds of winning compared to playing an aspect that is considered weak

the strong aspects are strong because they typically deal a lot of damage with low requirements

[scenic arrow]

there are weak aspects still?

[upbeat sedge]

everything is fine tbh, but there are definitely aspects that are a lot better than others

[scenic arrow]

I think the balance is quite good rn. Thanatos and Mel axe got pretty big buffs, and I think those were the biggest outliers

[vast oriole]

sure, I was just refering to ||Chronos|| and Skull specifically saying that the weapon trivializes the fight.

[scenic arrow]

oh wait, pan is not ideal right now, buff pan

[upbeat sedge]

pan is fine until frenzy 2 imo

the slow channel speed really hurts it

but you can also high roll trick knives and its broken again

i think coat in general is slightly underpowered

and imo the momus nerf should be reverted but if it stays underwhelming then whatever, not the end of the world

[scenic arrow]

pan with trick vs pan without trick is the biggest power gap in the game I think

[twin bloom]

is scorched kinda broken or is it just staff of circe going crazy

[scenic arrow]

both

[upbeat sedge]

circe is broken

scorch is good

also scorch cast is one of the high damage casts and circe really appreciates high damage cast boons

so the synergy is good as well

[scenic arrow]

also hestia cast is aoe, unlike zeus

[twin bloom]

what would be better than scorched? maybe im noob but i cant think of something better

i mean like obviously theres variance between weapons

[raven sluice]

I love circe aspect

I wanna do a heph cast circe run later

[upbeat sedge]

zeus is generally considered the best god

[scenic arrow]

scorch is bad on slow attacking weapons. There are also limits to how much you can buff its damage, especially bottlenecked by pyro technique
It doesn't have any CC purposes besides killing the enemy fast. It does not weaken them or make them miss or freeze them

[upbeat sedge]

he also works pretty well with circe because storm ring also does lots of damage

[spark stirrup]

any good hades 2 content creators? i know haelian. anyone else? i like hearing reasoned takes.

[twin bloom]

yeah i guess im just dazzled by big numbers so far, its funny to see scorched do twice the amount of damage as second place when i finish a run

[scenic arrow]

scorch is really goated, don't get me wrong. I always take on coat, anubis, hel, supay

[restive swallow]

I just had a killer moros run with scorch and duo with demeter, it went so unreasonably hard

[empty lintel]

if you wanna see super high level gameplay with good commentary, i'd recommend @faint light's YT https://www.youtube.com/@Boat3d/videos

[restive swallow]

Hestia start moros has become a favourite of mine, the run never goes badly

and it's super fun

[scenic arrow]

if you like data there's a website that has builds that people used for clears

[cosmic burrow]

Woop! I completed the game on the Switch 2 in 45 hours playing blind.

[scenic arrow]

credits and everything?

[cosmic burrow]

Yessiree. It was a beautiful ending to the task

[viscid nimbus]

I do not like this rat

[scenic arrow]

yup

[vivid flare]

Tiny Vermin is not to be trifled with

[spark stirrup]

Thanks. Imma be driving but I'll check the channel out when I get home.

[spark stirrup]

What site is that?

[scenic arrow]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/EALadder

[spark stirrup]

Thanks

[scenic arrow]

basically what people used for every aspect at higher fear levels, in early access last patch

(mostly accurate, not much has changed in the meta)

[spark stirrup]

Cool

[scenic arrow]

if you click query, you can find videos and secondary boons and stuff

[faint light]

hm yeah this boated guy is pretty cool i hear

[empty lintel]

Actually, I just realised the dude asked for "reasonable" takes.... uh oh! I've made a grave mistake lolol

[obtuse prairie]

I have a small conga line of shades following me around at The Crossroads. It's super cute, but what prompts that? Is it just random?

[scenic arrow]

you won last time

[obtuse prairie]

The biggest incentive. Excellent.

[indigo quest]

What's the best familiar?

[vivid flare]

Raki for damage, Gale for survival

Toula is also a strong happy medium

[little ridge]

What's the difference between the two paths in ||Olympus||

[woeful idol]

everytime i fight hecates i always seem to get hit by that one move that turns me into a sheep. any special tips on how to avoid it, or do i just need to get better at dodging?

[polar hazel]

does the compendium not track how many nectars youvr given?

[vivid flare]

||Launch pads will always take you outside and have that special slam kill. Outdoor rooms have a chance to spawn Athena or Icarus if they haven't showed up earlier that night.

Doors will usually take you inside (though they can take you outdoors as well). Indoor rooms have a chance for Heracles jumpscare.

The midshop is always via a launch pad, the end shop and Dionysus are always via a door||

[vivid flare]

It requires an incantation to do so, you need to gift every Boon-giving Olympian (and Chaos) up to ||Hera||

[vivid flare]

Dodge through, not away

[polar hazel]

thanks!

[vivid flare]

Wait that's the boon list incantation

I think the heart incantation is getting 15+ keepsakes?

[woeful idol]

ok ty

[deft turret]

Hi what are the easiest vows to add to farm early nightmare

[scenic arrow]

debt, timer, scars, pain, shadow, fangs, return, rivals, hubris, maybe hordes
usually stick to 1 for each

[deft turret]

Lmao how is it that ur always here appreciate it tho

[dull kite]

hammer vs chaos?

[ancient meadow]

Another Mobalytics team member here, I saw that our writer already responded!

We try to maintain a high standard of knowledge 💪 @empty lintel was humble and didn't mention they're a 62 Fear player.

Please judge us by the content itself and not bash us by default for being a guide site alone, we're happy to be challenged or explain any of our reasonings

[cosmic burrow]

Is it advised to buy Nightmare with bones? I’m getting into post game and want to use resources carefully. Do bones serve any other purpose?

[tidal moss]

Yes, bones are only used for buying resources

[cosmic burrow]

Ok. I just haven’t figured which weapon to yet spend the Nightmare on… but I’m urged to buy them since they appear in limited stock per night

[tidal moss]

There are better ways to get it

But you do need alot so probably a good idea

[mighty lodge]

It's recommended that you try completing the testaments on the fountain by the entrances to olympus and erebus when you have it, it's challenging but saves you a lot of time

[indigo quest]

I beat Cronos 5 times and now he has a new insta kill attack. And no I'm not talking a out the circle you have to go into at the start

[cosmic burrow]

I don’t recall there being a new attack…? You mean the second time he caused the red area? I just watched the credits roll earlier so I’m struggling to understand to what you’re referring

[indigo quest]

It's shortly after the red circle

And not another one its different

And I had full health twice in a row and died both times and dont know why

[tidal moss]

The two golden black circles with a ring in the middle?

[indigo quest]

Maybe, does he have more insta kill moves than one?

[tidal moss]

He has 2 yeah

[scenic arrow]

he has the one where you need to stand in the donut

too close/too far = death

[ruby spear]

2 questions since I have a bunch of resources from early access. 1. is psyche useless after you have full grasp? (Sitting on 3k) and 2. Are fish used for anything or am I safe selling them all

[scenic arrow]

1. pretty much, there are a few crafting recipes but they're all cheap
2. nah go sell em

[ruby spear]

Thank you!

[fallow pecan]

what are these I cant remember them, do you unlock this later with the cauldron?

[mighty lodge]

Yes, they are supposed to make the game harder

[raven sluice]

any tips for the surface boss ||eris||? Her late phases are giving me much trouble

genuinely harder than ||prometheus||

[primal trench]

Stay behind her

[raven sluice]

she turns around though😔

[azure prairie]

Yeah either go to one of the pillars if you’re not confident, or keep dashing through her so she has to turn around to hit you

[azure prairie]

Yeah and when she does you dash through again

[raven sluice]

esp her snipe pattern i dont understand

do i just hide

[azure prairie]

Basically like dodging hecate hex

For the turn arounds

[raven sluice]

lol i suck at that too

maybe i'll just wait out her snipes instead of trying to deal dmg

[azure prairie]

Just use the pillar if youre not confident

But generally with eris I almost never stop staying right on her the whole fight but hitting from behind

[raven sluice]

can i dodge the snipe if i stay behind her

[azure prairie]

Well idk she tracks you a bit too well lol

[raven sluice]

yeah😔

[azure prairie]

But i definitely have dodged into it multiple times

Its been instinctive so i cant really tell you specific cues

Usually when it feels right I just dash right behind her

Or if youre using skull you can dash > special > dash > special spam and leave it to luck ^^

[raven sluice]

maybe it was harder bc i was using axe lol

spinning my way into her shots

[obtuse prairie]

So on ||Olympus|| what's the difference between the ||doors or the circles when choosing your next location?||

[azure prairie]

If you wanna feel like a god use Medea skull, best weapon in the game rn

[raven sluice]

is persephone aspect good

[azure prairie]

It’s almost a free win on that weapon

[azure prairie]

I dont think any of the weapons are bad ngl, just some really stand out above the rest

Persephone is decent

But Medea is objectively the best right now

[raven sluice]

noted

[azure prairie]

I think when you choose the floor you get to do the drop start

[raven sluice]

but the special doesnt make you invulnerable while charging

[azure prairie]

Yeah but you blow everything up in 2 seconds

The omega special has some i frames to it i think

But you kinda just attack > special > attack > special spam

And everything blows up

[raven sluice]

id have to be careful with bosses that stomp a lot

i dont wanna charge into that with my omega special

[azure prairie]

I’ve definitely omega specialed into shockwaves

And not get hit

[raven sluice]

👀

so it functions like a dash?

i hope it does

[azure prairie]

I mean

The skull special is essentially a dash

I think the base special has a much smaller i frames though if at all

[raven sluice]

id have to give it a try myself

thanks

[polar laurel]

It's extremely rng but can be incredibly effective

[barren bronze]

question: in hades 2, if you ignore a dialogue can that specific piece of dialogue sometimes be lost forever and never seen in that playthrough?

[vast oriole]

The Incantation, which shows you resources has stopped working for me meanwhile. Is there a way to "turn it on" again, or just live with it?

[scenic arrow]

shows what resources

[vast oriole]

Bronze, Iron etc etc

[scenic arrow]

you mean after you complete a room?

[vast oriole]

yes

[scenic arrow]

oh it's not doing the ding thing anymore?

[vast oriole]

no sound, no highliting

[scenic arrow]

weird

[barren bronze]

How do i get that one pink-ish ball item that's required to make the surface not kill me?

[scenic arrow]

chaos

[last swan]

how the hell do I beat Prometheus omgggg

[scenic arrow]

in phase 2 and 3, he does 2 normal attacks, then an AOE attack with the followup

if you're struggling with memory game, try saying the SAFE LANES out loud to yourself a few time as their telegraphs pop up. Repeat them one by one as you do them.
The first set has 3, the second set has 5.

You can say "Top, Middle, Bottom" or "1, 2, 3" whichever you prefer

the bird disappears after 2 dashes, so just wait him out
same with the satyr reinforcements

[shy zephyr]

||https://youtu.be/iDfSTMw9qsI?si=a9Gc8mQs4Q-8d5Kj||

[vast oriole]

If you have Aspect of Pain on the Blades, do you also shoot +1 special when you would shoot the 3 from your Dash Strike weapon upgrade?

[shy zephyr]

nope, trick knives only affects dash attack and is completely separate from your ospecial

anything that affects your specialS will affect both trick knives and ospecial

[vast oriole]

If you take e.g. the Extended Family boon that gives you 3% dmg per different god. Does that continuously go up, when picking up additional boons or is it fixed at the point when you pick it up?

[onyx oracle]

What is the max grasp?

[vast oriole]

30 wasn't that hard to google

[shy zephyr]

it scales with the different number of olympians, so every god in the game except ||hades|| will add a percent to it

usually you have a 4 god pool with hermes, so that's 5x whatever percentage the boon is showing you

[vast oriole]

yeah the calculation isn't hard to grasp. I mean if it keep scaling up or if the bonus is static to the moment you pick it up.

[shy zephyr]

it scales

[barren bronze]

what

[onyx oracle]

1.0 just came out, idk if that info has been updated. Hence I'm asking

[gleaming dove]

anyone know where to get S REED

[shy zephyr]

i think that's in ||summit||, hover your mouse over it in the inventory

it'll say where you can find it on the right

[wise locust]

What's fun here is that ||Athena, Artemis and Diounsys|| all count. But moreover, if you get Hera's Legendary, the infusion boons that gives also count

[shy zephyr]

uhhh spoiler mark those names maybe

[wise locust]

Ooops, forgot the channel I was in

[timber monolith]

Does ||Volatile Coating|| work with ||Trusty Shield whenever it breaks per location?|| or is it just a one time thing

[wise locust]

One time thing

[timber monolith]

Ah figures, it would have been bit OP I think if it was every time lol

[strange patio]

does higher difficulty applies to surface runs?

[wise locust]

Fear? Sure

[strange patio]

yeah fear

[wise locust]

there's nightmare bounties for surface bosses as much as underworld ones

[vast oriole]

the regular special is surely the Axe's worst move or is there some hidden tech I'm missing?

[wise locust]

it's a 3x20 hit move

[vast oriole]

I don't really see a proper usecase for it

[elfin granite]

flat damage effects work really well on it

[wise locust]

so it procs boons three times, also you can cancel axe attack recovery into it for cheeky extra hits

[elfin granite]

also, it's considerably faster than the attack

[vast oriole]

yeah, but that's exactly what i don't want on a slow high dmg wep?

[wise locust]

consider also something like Volcanic Flourish. Means that every now and then you can just make a 500 damage explosion

[wise locust]

errr, you choose which boon goes in your special and attack slots, silly

[elfin granite]

I don't understand the thinking here. The attack is slow + high damage. The special exists for when you want faster damage, which isn't rare given how fast a lot of enemies can be.

The special is meant to cover the gap left by the attack, basically.

[wise locust]

put apollo/hera/etc on attack, and hestia/posideon/etc on special

[vast oriole]

that's true...

[elfin granite]

Plus, you can use the special to apply curses that might help with the attack. (e.g. Demeter Special to freeze an enemy and allow for safer attacks)

[shy zephyr]

helps with wards, lets you cancel your combo to avoid the third slow hit, goes hard with multi hit boons

[wise locust]

depends if you plan on using charon axe

[vast oriole]

however I'd still say that in practice you'd use the special way less with the axe then you would with other weapons

[wise locust]

Indeed

But try using it to cancel your attack recovery and get a feel for that

[vast oriole]

someone said that Demeter is really good on axe attacks.

But i think while it's probably great while fighting normal locations, for bosses Lighting is still way better

[wise locust]

Blitz?

[vast oriole]

kinda tricky since in german Blitz means literally Lightning 😄

[wise locust]

Blitz gives no +%, but it's also just big number go zap

demeter is good on axe for covering its slow swing speed

[wise locust]

is it still called Blitz in the german translation?

[vast oriole]

the exact one

[raven sluice]

Not having 2 consecutive dashes still feels weird

[wise locust]

Lol, okay, fair

That's kinda silly given that lightning strikes are a different effect to Blitz

(But double-strike applies to both)

[vast oriole]

but meanwhile I'm also 100% convinced that if you can get it to 2-3 sec the Heph attack is just the most insane attack mod.

[wise locust]

"If", but yes, it's kinda nutty, partcularly if you get Hestia, Apollo and/or Demeter on that run

[vast oriole]

I had it on 2 sec with the one that triggers the proc a second time.

[wise locust]

yeah, now we're talking

CLANG CLANG CLANG

[vast oriole]

and on top of that a semi decent crit chance, which resulted in 1,6k

[wise locust]

Grand Caldera in there too I assume

[vast oriole]

However i still find myself almost never making actual use out of crit.

[wise locust]

What source of crit?

[vast oriole]

any. Always seems to me that my options wouldn't ever amount to smth useful. But that's probably because i haven't figured that out at all.

[wise locust]

crit is a multiplicative triple damage

[vast oriole]

isn't it 200%?

[wise locust]

+200%

[vast oriole]

I see. But still the chances always seem to me like it's not worth investing into.

[wise locust]

you say that, but basically... take the crit chance, double it, that's your average damage improvement

and it multiplies in a game where basically nothing does

[vast oriole]

but i mean what are your options? Like 3% overall base. And then pretty situational crit chances.

However as I mentioned. I probably don't grasp the building behind it yet.

[wise locust]

Raki, Basically all of Artemis, especially her keepsake

[hollow moss]

For some reason I don't have any new ||Testaments|| appearing. I'm stuck on 3/48. Is it because I haven't ||unsealed the path to the surface||?

[wise locust]

Most likely, but you can still just overcrank the fear and do underworld runs

the testaments all exist and can be gained right from the start, it just only tells you the lowest fear one for each weapon on the altar

[hollow moss]

oooh

so can I claim the rewards later?

[wise locust]

you get them anyway

just because the game isn't currently telling you say... that there's a 12 fear bounty for beating up the first boss with the torches (or whatever, I made that up), doesn't mean it's not there

and you will get the nightmare for doing so

[hollow moss]

glad it hear it, means i dont have to grind every single Fear level

thnx forthe help

[wise locust]

s'cool

[sonic flower]

hey guys, I think I had a bug, not sure. I had the chaos boon that says "clear encounters in less than 120sec or take 500 damage" and I had the countdown start right at the end of the first boss. I kill it and then move on to Oceanus. But then the countdown started at the very beginning of the first encounter in Oceanus. Obviously couldn't tank 500 damage and lost a promising run. Is that a normal behavior for that boon?

[shy zephyr]

yeah you should check your chamber number, taking it into a boss fight is very rough

fyi erebus boss is in chamber 13 and oceanus is i think 24

the chamber before those is a shop and not an encounter so keep that in mind

[wise locust]

A boss is an encounter, you hadn't cleared enough in the time frame, oop

[sonic flower]

oh, my bad, I read that wrong. I thought each encounter must last 120sec max.

[primal trench]

No the 120s is the max time you have to clear the rooms

[wise locust]

Didn't read the fine print

[primal trench]

Reading? In my action game, uh

[sonic flower]

yes my mistake, I took it one or two rooms before the boss. I'm not far enough that I can kill it in so litlle time

[primal trench]

Yeah taking that into a boss is a death defense often times

Now you learned

[sonic flower]

I learn something new every run

so many things to unlock

[pseudo sluice]

What requirements do I need to meet to get N-Mares to show up on the Broker? I already got my first one during a run

[rare spruce]

okay banger i was able to beat chronos using the argent skull it just might be the move on beating the other map

[primal trench]

Reminders anything past erebus is a spoiler

[hollow mirage]

Guys ehm
I cant gain max hp after finishing the first 3 chaos trials
Is this normal ?

[wise locust]

can't gain max hp from what?

not sure what you're getting at here

[hollow mirage]

Centaur’s heart

Nemesis just gave me one but it said +0 instead of +25

[wise locust]

Lol, are you using the white antler?

keepsake

[hollow mirage]

OH
lmfao yea mb 😭

[tidal moss]

LMAO

[hollow mirage]

All good ahahah

[tidal moss]

Gamer moment

[primal trench]

Imagine having the ability to read couldn't be me

I love chaos trials

[finite garnet]

Loving Hades 2 so far. Done two runs, got past Erebus once. My only complaint is that I’m still getting used to what is and isn’t walkable terrain.

[vast oriole]

"your cast erupts like a stronger Omega Cast when struck by your special"

what? 🙂

you are supposed to special in your cast circle?

[sonic flower]

raaaaaaaaaaah I was 🤏 this close to kill the third boss first try

oh well

[finite garnet]

Only two runs in, so I’m guessing that I should be focusing on Ash and Nectar currency-wise?

[wise locust]

Charon axe?

basically, just lay a normal cast, and then charge omega special, kaboom

[vast oriole]

yes

[wise locust]

insanely strong aspect, if a little onedimensional

[vast oriole]

the phrasing sounds totally off then 😄

[wise locust]

you don't have to actually be in your cast to do this, just any explosion of your special has to hit the cast

Take Lucid gain, spam forever

[vast oriole]

oh it's me reading it wrong. "when struck by your ->Omega< Special.

didn't register the omega part

[wise locust]

Reading!

this effect won't happen if you charge the cast first, so don't do that

[vast oriole]

what do you consider to be the best aspect for it? for the other weapons I honestly always found the upgraded standard aspect so powerful at some point

[wise locust]

honestly all of the axes are super strong now

mel needs you to learn to control the speed, but it hits like a truck, charon is "lol cleavecast", thanatos is all about that monster attack speed, Nergal is smashy smashy fun

[wise locust]

And you will, the Melinoe aspects all have "Boring but practical" effects when you level them

[vast oriole]

although it sounds boring. Improved Attack speed might very well be the most effective on such a weapon.

[wise locust]

they're all solid choices now

[wise locust]

it's by far the most flexible in terms of what builds work for it

the bonus crit chance is a nice-to-have when you need it, but the attack speed buff is the meat of the aspect

[vast oriole]

It would be a substantial QoL improvement if the Target Dummy Guy wouldn't die and make you wait for 5 seconds.

[wise locust]

Hold that thought for later on

[primal trench]

[vast oriole]

Does "Your Lightning Bolt effects may strike twice" also include the regular Blitz proc?

[tidal moss]

yes

[wise locust]

Yep. Hard to see in the melee, but it happens

One of his duos is technically a beyond erebus spoiler, do I won't mention it here

[vast oriole]

no idea why I didn't give the Axe a chance before. Seems pretty damn strong to me now. Still unsure about the hammer upgrades. Always striking with 3rd combo hit seems good.

[elfin granite]

Do the post-game keepsakes remain active after swapping them?

[wary night]

iirc it includes all "vertical" lightning effects!
so, not chain lightning, but his cast + revenge boon + blitz all work with it

[wise locust]

Yes but wrong channel

[elfin granite]

Fair enough. I've been using this to avoid spoilers, but I guess there aren't any now. 😅

[wise locust]

There's a few more yet if you've only just beat the game

[pseudo sluice]

I hate the really long wind up though, I wish I could disable the 3rd strike instead lol

[sharp ermine]

can't seem to ||find what the question mark ingredient is for the cauldron spells to permanently kill cronos and typhon...do I just keep completing runs of underworld and overworld? Have beaten game 5 and 2 times respectively for under/over||

[vast oriole]

not THE biggest fan either but when they give you 300 ap on top of it.

[shy zephyr]

yes keep going

[pseudo sluice]

keep doing runs 🙂

[modest inlet]

Gotta say, ||Aphrodite|| attack boons seems absurdly busted when used with the sister blades

[tidal moss]

eh, it kinda falls off later in the game, there are better options

[pseudo sluice]

Can the ||malice in kind from medea (-15% hp on an enemy who takes your death defiance) finish off a boss? Let's say I take it to Prometheus or Typhon, will it do 15% hp every time?||

[modest inlet]

Maybe with other aspects, but for where I am in the game it lets me shred through just about everything

[wary night]

somewhat!
keep in mind that the sister blades have really low base damage, so adding 100% or even 120% of that base damage may not do as much as adding unrelated sources of damage that trigger on hit. If a boon makes each hit deal +30 damage and your base hit only does 20, that's a really big increase. ||poseidon's splashes|| and ||hestia's scorch|| will add up to way more damage overall in most cases, for instance (gods you can meet early game)

if you're playing her with blades I'd almost always aim for her boon that ||adds to the base power of your attack, so her % bonus scales better||
imo her boons only really pop off on weapons with high base damage

[tall plover]

No, ||it's 15% of current HP.||

[pseudo sluice]

Ohhh, that would be amazing if it was max HP, kinda busted tho

[tall plover]

Honestly I think it would still be underpowered. ||You have to lose a Death Defiance for it.||

[tidal moss]

bring in 7 dd's, insta win

[pseudo sluice]

lovin the tolkien name G gj

[tidal moss]

tyty

[modest inlet]

Interesting, I’ve not played around much with scorch, I’ll give it a shot

Other boon I’ve found I like is glowing coal/ lighting lance, being able to put my cast anywhere is nice

[wary night]

scorch is very good! used to be kinda meh but a late patch in early access buffed it a lot. if you can grab the boon which makes scorch damage tick faster ("pyr technique") and/or some duo boons it can go kinda crazy