h2-for-new-players

[amber karma]

Yeah that sounds about right lol

||What are the best aspects right now to go for?||

[vivid flare]

Of the non-hiddens, ||Medea Skull, Moros Torches, Circe Staff, Charon Axe, Mel Knives, Selene/Nyx Coat||. All the hiddens are excellent once you start to learn them

[vivid flare]

||Mom skull isn't bad, BTW, it's just that Medea is the best weapon in the game.||

[amber karma]

||Nyx coat felt underwhelming, having to constantly refresh the buff just for an extra bit of attack damage felt bad. Went with the ares attack boon, should I go with something else for it?||

[vivid flare]

||You can also weave in basic specials in between your attacks on Coat, and I'd go Apollo, Hestia, or Poseidon to take advantage of the double hits||

[amber karma]

Which ones should I avoid?

[outer dragon]

(upper route unlock) hey, it's been ten runs since i unlocked ||permeation of witching wards|| but i still haven't gotten ||shadow extraction||. is this normal? should i just keep mashing runs?

[vivid flare]

||Pan and Artemis knives if you're being optimal, and Eos torches are an acquired taste that has to compete against the ease of Mel torch and the absurd damage of Moros. Mel Coat also just kinda sucks when compared to the other Coat options.||

[vivid flare]

Did you check the second tab of the cauldron

[amber karma]

||Its a chaos thing I believe. And u get the recipe later||

[outer dragon]

yeah i checked second tabn

||is it a chaos thing? i thought it was just tied to hecate interaction||

[amber karma]

||Did you grab the darkness in chao's realm||

[amber karma]

||Eos torches can be really freakin strong if you go full apollo and get lucky with duos and a legendary lol||

[outer dragon]

i dont think ive gotten that interaction yet

[vivid flare]

Seems you've acquired the taste, then :3

[outer dragon]

||ive ran into chaos at least 8 times already though, if it is that interaction||

[amber karma]

||yeah i might be wrong about this but u prob gotta go through their realm and grab the purple crystal thing that randomly spawns||

[amber karma]

||Well my taste is for whatever weapon has grim thirst because I like cosmetics :3||

[vivid flare]

By the time I got ||Permeation, Shadow extraction was already unlocked. Might just be because I see incantation, I use incantation and shadow extraction is secretly gated behind, say, 20 incants? Dunno||

[amber karma]

Hades 2 has so much more stuff to collect than hades 1 lmao

||I hate how rare some of the drop rates are though oml like poppy lol||

[scenic arrow]

two routes and material gathering will do that for you

[gritty sable]

can you claim multiple nightmares at once or do you have to do it one by one like H1?

[scenic arrow]

one by one

[gritty sable]

:\ man that sucks

[scenic arrow]

yup

[outer dragon]

gotcha, i think most of the incantations i have left need upper route materials though lol

[amber karma]

||any hints on how to unlock the rest of odysseus's ambrosia slots after you fill them up btw?||

[outer dragon]

||someone said that i need to die in game to unlock it so i'll try that lmao||

[lilac sundial]

||take his items to characters he has a lot of, relations with||

[amber karma]

||Ohhh circe lol xD||

[wet coral]

Hi guys so a question about fear , what’s the condition for getting more fear rewards every run? Is the reward for 8,16,32 more fear skulls?

[vivid flare]

||Among others||

[lilac sundial]

And two others

[amber karma]

||Polyphemus and scylla?||

[lilac sundial]

Ding ding

[amber karma]

Sick, gotcha

Epic the musical coming in handy lmfaooo

[lilac sundial]

What musical?

[amber karma]

Jorge Riverra Herrans go look it up on yt its awesome

[deft turret]

Are the xinth omegas worth using?

[lilac sundial]

Shield can be OK, and missile spam, timing, and if you're charging up hex or other things that reward mana spending

[median lantern]

does anyone have the location # of when i encounter guardians on both surface and underworld

[scenic arrow]

it's not fixed, roughly ever 11-12?
but some can mess with it, like fields and such

[paper adder]

I think I've always had the centaur arcana upgrade when I start a new region so it should be like one or two chambers before a multiple of 5

[raven sluice]

Any recommended arcana cards to prioritize upgrading?

i did death defiance but what else

[scenic arrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1349278289042346008/1390093577685700658/Screenshot_2025-07-02_at_3.15.27_PM.png?ex=68db0507&is=68d9b387&hm=d1e92eed7b38770c5172e102885d3205c0a49724fb22fa13b13899a0720e7fd2&

that's my arcana setup, all of them are pretty good except swiftrunner(that's just to get the line)

upgrade top left first, definitely

[raven sluice]

Mm i might give up rerolls for death defiance and higher rarity boon chances

[vivid flare]

Reroll corner is very nice to get upgraded, it gives a lot more control over your runs

[scenic arrow]

reroll corner is expensive for your grasp, but really good

[raven sluice]

But i have skill issue and need death defiance

[scenic arrow]

yeah death defiance and strength are interchangeable, playstyle diff

[vivid flare]

The rule of thumb is to take one or the other

[scenic arrow]

you should always equip one of them though, probably

[raven sluice]

I assume strength is the middle bottom one?

[vivid flare]

Yeah

[raven sluice]

Havent unlocked that yet so might run dd in the meantime

[scenic arrow]

strength gives you damage and damage resist if you have no DD
it's an alternate playstyle where you go DD less

[vivid flare]

Strength gives damage reduction and damage up when you have no DDs remaining. And if you just don't take Death or Toula or DD keepsakes, that's just always active

[raven sluice]

Ahhhhh

definitely can see why that would be good

[vivid flare]

As my handle implies, though, it used to be better

Currently it caps out at 40/20 mit/damage, it used to be 50/25

[scenic arrow]

I still like it
death defiance just feels icky to me

[raven sluice]

40% reduction is still insane

[scenic arrow]

with DD's your healthbar absolutely gets CHUNKED, and dying over and over again feels sloppy to me
I prefer the cleanness of "healthbar = 0 = death"

[deft turret]

Can the frog block eris' attacks?

[karmic swift]

i mean if you're running DDs id get rid of strength

same grasp cost

and unless you're playing badly if you have DDs on strength will pretty much never be on

bc it needs all dds to be gone to be used

[deft turret]

Does skelly tooth count towards dd

[karmic swift]

anything that revives you would i assume

[karmic swift]

fair

[scenic arrow]

tooth, toula, moros pin all count as DDs. Not allowed for strength.

[karmic swift]

i could probably stop running dds for underworld and run strength instead bc i never die there but i need them for ||surface|| the fights there are BRUTAL

[deft turret]

Umm so mathematically, wouldn't it be better to run dd over strength, coz I'm pretty sure it totals out to more health if u run multiple

[scenic arrow]

correct

[karmic swift]

i mean yeah but if you dont die anyway the extra dmg from strength is useful

really just depends on how confident you are with the fights

[scenic arrow]

Strength makes health more valuable, so healing is significantly stronger under Strength. Those Fountains and gyros and wayward son give way more EHP

[karmic swift]

also strength buffs dmg iirc

[scenic arrow]

yeah strength buffs damage, but 20% is kind of small

[deft turret]

So if I'm taking hits all the time run dd if not then strength

[scenic arrow]

remember that %buffs in this game are additive, not multiplicative

[deft turret]

Hmmm dd is the play for me lol

[karmic swift]

wth i just ||beat chronos|| and ||i cant pierce the mirror it broke||

[scenic arrow]

yeah basically, or rather if there's a single boss you're dying on, I think
If you're struggling from attrition, getting worn down by encounters, I think strength might be better

[vivid flare]

Yes

[deft turret]

All of them? What about the sniper shot?

[karmic swift]

nvm i just realized why

[vivid flare]

||If it blocks the sheep ball, it should block the snipe||

[scenic arrow]

Strength means your whole healthbar is accessible at any time, and you can recover it all potentially.
Death Defiance means your additional health is locked off until you die. You can only heal the stuff on your current healthbar.
But Death Defiance also offers 1shot protection. Big hits will effectively lose a big chunk of their damage if it "kills" you

[deft turret]

What about any wave attack, for example the cylops stomps?

I forgot his name

[scenic arrow]

no, ground aoes don't get eaten

uh his kick wave probably doesn't get eaten either

[deft turret]

So if ur hit by Prometheus wave on strength ur basically cooked

[scenic arrow]

actuallly I think you can survive 1 because of the damage resist

Chronos 1shot is a true 1shot though, it's gg

[deft turret]

Chronos has a 1shot?

[scenic arrow]

yeah

have you seen him yet?

[deft turret]

I've beat him twice, what's the one shot

[scenic arrow]

phase 2. His first attack where you need to stand in the circle.

[deft turret]

Oh

[scenic arrow]

He also does a thing where you need to stand within a ring around the middle. If you're too close or far, that's a 1shot

[deft turret]

Yea I've gotten to the circle everytime, I just assumed it would do a lot of damage, didn't know it's was 1 shot

[shy zephyr]

it does 999 damage

[scenic arrow]

I've gotten killed by it a few times by leaving the circle too early(because I wanna do dps)

freezing him messes with the timing and delays it, it's so goofy

[shy zephyr]

do NOT dash attack out of the safety circle, a listened i learned the hard way

[scenic arrow]

did they fix freezing Prom messing with AOE timing

[lyric hawk]

im unable to enter the training grounds, is this a glitch i should be concerened anout or is it smt else?

[scenic arrow]

are you in a cutscene? that sounds like a glitch probably tho

[lyric hawk]

not in a cutscene

[scenic arrow]

yeah, reboot then

[lyric hawk]

||last thing i did was go fishing withe hecate||

i restarted and lost all my materials i used or gained, all conversations were reset and i still cant enter the training grounds

[scenic arrow]

send me a screenshot or video?

[pseudo sluice]

Wow... Does ||Hecate|| unlock a new attack pattern after playing more on the ||surface|| or something? I'm 30+ nights deep and got as far as ||Prometheus|| and now ||Hecate|| has a new attack pattern I never saw before. Similar to ||hades beams stage||. It caught me off guard

[scenic arrow]

I actually don't know, it feels like she gets that really late, lol

[pseudo sluice]

I was just chilling thinking I was cooking and get hit with something I never saw in 30 nights lol so weird

[primal trench]

Wait really

[scenic arrow]

yeah the donut thing

stand in the safety donut

[primal trench]

Don't think the surface has anything to do with it, just a after a number of nights type of thing

[primal trench]

Didnt know that was a 1shot

[rotund merlin]

Are fish just to be sold? Do I need to keep them for any recipes?

[scenic arrow]

sell

[primal trench]

The recipe of selling for bones 🤣

[cunning goblet]

Does “undo night” take away dialogue progress/gifting/items?

[vivid flare]

Yes

It resets the run entirely

[scenic arrow]

you want to go back with your stuff? DIE

[vivid flare]

You mean return to shadow :3

[pseudo sluice]

Respond.

[primal trench]

Bro thinks he's chaos

[scenic arrow]

I saw the video, it's so weird

maybe f10 that, or just see if there's a conversation blocking you

[lyric hawk]

ive checked everyone and theres no conversations

[scenic arrow]

yeah just f10 I guess

[lyric hawk]

ill try

[scenic arrow]

ask in #h2-tech-support if you haven't

[lyric hawk]

yeah, ill do that

[scenic arrow]

hi

[pseudo sluice]

I think a good tip for newer players btw as a new player myself, make good use of the keepsakes. I had been practically ignoring switching them or using god keepsakes to force boons and I just used them now and it was so much easier

Think I was stuck using the lucker tooth because I was scared I'd die

[scenic arrow]

Hades 1 felt like that as well
Hades 2 definitely encourages you to switch every biome

[indigo quest]

What's the best familiar to max upgrade first?

[vivid flare]

Raki

Crit rate, mineral spawns

[scenic arrow]

frinos
more base health

Raki's upgrades aren't as important imo, his big thing is mark, which doesn't get upgraded I think

[vivid flare]

Its cooldown gets improved, IIRC

[scenic arrow]

I think out of them, Frinos is the one that is the most radically changed by upgrades

[vivid flare]

Doesn't Toula also benefit a ton from upgrades?

[scenic arrow]

sorta? more scratches, DD gives more hp

[real wyvern]

how to farm nightmares? do i have to increase fear 1 and go for that boss and die and rinse-repeat?

[scenic arrow]

yup

1, 2, 4, 8, 10, 12, 16, 20
those are the fear levels you need to hit

You can buy nightmare as well for lots of bones
And order it on charon amazon

[vivid flare]

I mean, you might as well get as far as you can in the run for the sake of getting resources

And also to progress those Charon deliveries, since he doesn't exactly do same-night shipping

[green bramble]

or to complete prophecies

[green bramble]

she's the only one whose upgrade helps you 100% the game (the fish-dex)

[fickle wraith]

What are the conditions to get weapon aspects?

[green bramble]

you sure you want to know or do you want to find for yourself ?

[fickle wraith]

I already have em, EA player, asking for a friend

[green bramble]

||I believe you need to have unlocked all aspects of the weapon, then talk to the owner of the second aspect||

||circe will get you the staff's hidden aspect||

[fickle wraith]

I meant regular aspects not ||non greek deities|| ones

Sorry for confusion

[green bramble]

oh, then ||I guess just play with each weapon ||

[fickle wraith]

Cool thx

[vivid flare]

You should just need to have the first 4 weapons unlocked

Maybe also the 5th, but I had the incantation before I got the 6th

[green bramble]

the 6th is the hardest to unlock so it makes sense to be able to unlock aspect before that

[pseudo sluice]

Am I supposed to only have one familiar at the stage of the game I'm at? I'm wondering if I skipped something I shouldn't have, just haven't seen a chance to get a different one

[vivid flare]

The only other ones you'd have access to are in ||the Erebus fountain room and the docks at the start of Thessaly||

[pseudo sluice]

I fought ||Prometheus|| once but didn't see anyone else besides Frinos yet uhhh... I dunno lol. Maybe I've not been doing the Incantations I should to unlock something else

[vivid flare]

You can definitely see a ||stray cat in the room before the first boat||

[pseudo sluice]

It will keep showing up right? So I can just visit the same location you just mentioned and find it again

[vivid flare]

Yeah, she's a bit lazy in that regard

But the really annoying one is the bird

Because again, fountain room

[pseudo sluice]

Worst thing is I have seen those and have pet it but I didn't sum 2+2 and realize those were familiars or I just didn't have cookies to give lol, didn't realize they would be familiars

Skill issue 🙁

[vivid flare]

TBF, you can't give the pets a cookie the first time you see them, so it's actually for the better here

Kinda like how you can't gift NPCs Nectar on the first encounter with them

[pseudo sluice]

I'm eager to also unlock ||Ares|| and ||Dionysus||, just recently unlocked ||Hera|| and she's awesome, wondering what other boons will be cool. Guess I'll just need to keep on feeding this addiction. What a great game lol

[vivid flare]

||There's another NPC to find on Olympus, BTW||

[pseudo sluice]

Think I saw ||Heracles|| but they were rude (at least on the first one or two attempts) if that's who you're referring to!

[vivid flare]

I am not

[tall dome]

|| Guys, I just finished the game (I saw the credits and I know there's more), but I didn't unlock the nectar recipe, what would be the easiest way to get it? My relationships are all low.
||

[pseudo sluice]

Ooooh spoooky! Wish I knew if I should be focusing more on ||surface or underworld|| it's like both are so cool I can't decide what's the most efficient way to progress lol

[vivid flare]

||It's from Aphrodite, so keep starting runs with her Keepsake until she gives you the relevant dialogue||

[tall dome]

Does it take too long?

[tall dome]

I hadn't thought of that possibility, thanks.

[midnight peak]

this sht is hard

2nd boss

is there a lifesteal is or smth

[scenic arrow]

destroy the drummer

[scenic arrow]

nah not really
there is one but it costs a hammer
and it only heals on kill

[midnight peak]

the last phase is hard. theres so many birds

[scenic arrow]

just kill her, shes low hp

spawncamp her

[midnight peak]

ye i dont have damage

[indigo quest]

Hot damn! Just beat Prometheos for the first time finally and then went on to beat final surface boss first time facing him! Awesome!

[scenic arrow]

this is scylla, I think

[green bramble]

oops

[green bramble]

cheese ||get the hestia boon that makes enemies explode on death, or just cast then deal all your damage to finish her as quick as possible||

[midnight peak]

idk what boon is

[green bramble]

the bonus given by olympians gods

you know, shiny sphere of different colors with logo inside ?

[midnight peak]

i see. what do we call the thing on the left side? equipment?

[scenic arrow]

core boons

[pseudo sluice]

wow I think I just bugged out? I started a run with one weapon and from room 1 to room 2 it switched to a different weapon? what in the world?

[scenic arrow]

you have 5 core boons(attack, special, cast, dash, mana gain)

Every god has different core boons

You can only get one for each slot, so choose wisely

[pseudo sluice]

started with the dual blades and it switched me to the staff

[scenic arrow]

... you sure?

[pseudo sluice]

yeah I should have recorded that. I just undid the night and restarted the run and it didn't switch me now but that definitely happened

I'm pretty sure because I was using the extra bone so red aura on dual blades and somehow had the staff which I didn't want

[elder folio]

hey guys, do you know how to transfer my save from steam to switch 2?

is it even possible?

[midnight peak]

is chronos last boss?

[scenic arrow]

first last boss

[midnight peak]

aw

[scenic arrow]

it is possible, idk how to

[midnight peak]

just reached him

[elfin granite]

who is the last first boss then? 🤔

[restive swallow]

|| Whoever as the final boss of the path up ||

[scenic arrow]

no thats the last last boss

they asked for the last first boss

[restive swallow]

oh damn

i'm stumped
Jesus?

[elfin granite]

I suppose that would technically be ||Polyphemus||?

[restive swallow]

I guess so, unless we want to consider like, || Zagreus ||? (THIS IS A SPOILER)

[midnight peak]

does my Q the same even in endgame

[elfin granite]

WHAT

[restive swallow]

IT IS IN SPOILERS FOR A REASON

lemme edit it to emphasise

[elfin granite]

Yeah, but I didn't know from what part of the game it's a spoiler. Everything after Erebus is meant to be spoilered in here. So, ||Scylla|| is as much of a spoiler as what you said.

I'm 3 ||surface|| wins from getting the ending. 😩

[restive swallow]

We've literally mentioned final boss spoilers!

I am not responsible for this

[elfin granite]

the last first boss isn't a final boss 😛

[restive swallow]

Neither is the boss I mentined! They're kinda like Chiron in Hades 1, they're their own thing

[elfin granite]

to be fair, I have been speculating that we would get a (POST-ENDING SPOILERS) ||Zagreus boss fight|| for months. 😌

[scenic arrow]

chiron isnt in hades 1

[elfin granite]

So it's good to know I was right. Now, I just need to figure out how to beat ||Typhon|| three times. 😩

[restive swallow]

charon, I mean

[elfin granite]

I'm really anxious to see what the ending is cause I keep hearing that it's rather... controversial. 🤔

[vast oriole]

Why is it that on the path to Chronos i can't take any other doors than the direct path (the numbered doors)?

[elfin granite]

You're not guaranteed detours.

Though it's exceedingly rare for you not to get any at all.

[vast oriole]

okay, first time i have this

[elfin granite]

First time in ||Tartarus||?

[vast oriole]

nope, not at all. I'm in 2 now and haven't had the chance to detour once

[elfin granite]

Oh. Welp, you got unlucky, I suppose.

[vast oriole]

well, since I'm at the boss now... really had nothing but the absolute straight path 😄

[restive swallow]

tbh straight path isn't so bad, to go into it with as much health as possible and hopefuly with a death defiance in place if you have one

[elfin granite]

Death does not spark joy. 🙁
Strength sparks joy. 🙂

[restive swallow]

Oh I am a strength enjoyer

I mainly use axe so the % damage bonus is huge

[elfin granite]

You use Strength for the damage. I use Strength for the healing. We are not the same.

[restive swallow]

Well I'm basically using a ranged weapon the damage reduction matters a little less y'know y'know

[elfin granite]

omg Young Xehanort

Cardiovascular Dominion reference

[fast linden]

how do i open the book of shadows in a run?

[stiff hawk]

Anybody explain how the artificer arcana card works? Minor find to major find or whatever

[restive swallow]

When you find a minor find, it'll offer you an input to change it to a major one

[elfin granite]

When you get a minor find, you can press a different button to turn it into a major find instead.

(Minor find means meta currencies, major means in-run upgrades and resources.)

[stiff hawk]

Huh. I kinda figured. I have been looking for something similar and never see an option to upgrade it. I know it's not all finds obviouly. Just feel like I never see ut

[elfin granite]

It works on Ashes, Bones, and Nectar afaik.

[stiff hawk]

Like when the reward pops at the end of the encounter?

[elfin granite]

Yes.

[stiff hawk]

And it's only in certain locations I guess?

[elfin granite]

You get two prompts: collect and transform

[fast linden]

how do i open the book of shadows?

[restive swallow]

it works || on the tiny ones in the fields of mourning, which is really good ||

[restive swallow]

it should work in all locations

[stiff hawk]

Ya. Does it work on the surface side? Not really?

[elfin granite]

It does, yes.

[restive swallow]

yes, it works in all regions

[stiff hawk]

I mean like not everywhere offers minor finds? Like a normal encounter for ashes isn't minor right?

[elfin granite]

It is minor.

[stiff hawk]

Sorry. New to the Hades games. Having a lot of fun tho

[elfin granite]

"Minor finds" includes all meta-progression rewards: ashes, bones, nectar.

[stiff hawk]

Interesting. Maybe I'm just not seeing it. What about if there's two of em on the same door or whatever lol

[elfin granite]

"Major finds" includes everything that gives you stuff for the current night: boons, hammers, gold, poms, etc.

[elfin granite]

Works too.

[restive swallow]

I will say, Hades 2 is much more complicated than Hades 1, it's why I recommend completing the main game of Hades 1 first

[fast linden]

how do i open the book of shadows?

[primal trench]

C

[elfin granite]

You don't use it on the door, btw. You use it on the dropped item after the encounter is cleared.

[stiff hawk]

Ya it's c on keyboard idk about controller

[elfin granite]

Controller is d-pad up.

[fast linden]

and were can i see the boons list i just unlocked it?

[primal trench]

Go to the god

[stiff hawk]

Yes I swapped around minor boon rewards on the door many of time trying to figure it out lol

[fast linden]

thx

[stiff hawk]

It's probably G right? Like rerolling.. oh well I'll try again tomorrow. Weird I never saw it

[cloud chasm]

Hey, who is the best one to get gift first?

[signal bolt]

in terms of early game keepsake, prob schelemeus

otherwise if ur only interested in story then go wild

[elfin granite]

Yeah, should be the same button as rerolling a door. (That's how it is on controller.)

[cloud chasm]

Aye, thank you 👀

[elfin granite]

Me. 🥺

[signal bolt]

truth

[cloud chasm]

Fair

[restive swallow]

You also might want to pick up gifts from specific gods if you have a weapon you like that wants to start with one of their boons, like demeter/axe

[primal trench]

Echo best keepsake don't @ me

[restive swallow]

Chaos embryo best keepsake, let's go gambling

[elfin granite]

I wish I was good enough to attempt the White Antler outside of the first region.

I brought maxed Melinoe flames + maxed Raki + White Antler to Erebus yesterday, and it melted everything.

Not that it's particularly hard to melt things in Erebus, mind you. 😛

[vast oriole]

Does the reroll from Champions let you reroll the 3 boon choices you are presented with?

[primal trench]

That's exactly what it does

[vast oriole]

i thought the entire time you would have to use it at the doors...

[primal trench]

No, thats the enchantress

[vast oriole]

You can use the Champions reroll at the doors with boons as well.

[scenic arrow]

the cards let you use rerolls for that purpose

[vast oriole]

I just thought i can only use champions at doors and not when picking a boon.

[scenic arrow]

If you got rerolls with neither of them, you cant do anything, I think

[elfin granite]

Enchantress rerolls doors (but won't turn major into minor or vice versa).
Champions rerolls boon and (iirc) well/shrine choices.
Artificer lets you change minor finds into major finds.

[vast oriole]

but still you can use Champions at doors as well.

[scenic arrow]

not without enchantress equipped

[vast oriole]

yeah i have both

[scenic arrow]

yes then you have both effects

[vast oriole]

yeah, but used both rerolls at doors. So that means you can use champions at doors, no?

[scenic arrow]

Enchantress gives you some dice
It lets you use dice at doors
Champions gives you some dice
It lets you use dice on boons now
The dice are all added together

If you only have champions, without enchantress, your dice only work on boons

[vast oriole]

oh so i could use both dice to reroll the 3 boon choices?

[scenic arrow]

think of its as +dice, and they grt a new use

[scenic arrow]

yeah you can use them wherever you want

[vast oriole]

oh boy... i had it wrong the whole time

[scenic arrow]

itd be way too complicated if it was like, 3 door dice, 3 boon dice

[vast oriole]

thanks

[elfin granite]

are NPC rooms considered minor finds?

[scenic arrow]

no

[raven sluice]

oh ok

[vast oriole]

i thought i could reroll like Bones ->Ashes etc with enchantress and boon symbols on doors. I had no clue i could use it to reroll the 3 actual choices

[elfin granite]

cause I know they can appear alongside minor find doors

[onyx oracle]

Do well of Charon count for earning Obol point?

[raven sluice]

Anyway poseidon sea star boon is cracked holy cow

[scenic arrow]

yeah, I think so

[scenic arrow]

its so funny

[raven sluice]

infinite hex upgrades

I almost filled out the entire upgrade tree

[primal trench]

Only if you have the enchantress

[raven sluice]

I thought it was trash bc it didnt apply to boons

[restive swallow]

Yes, you need the specific arcana cards that let you use the dice for rerolling those things

[primal trench]

If narc gives you rerolls you can reroll boons

[scenic arrow]

path of stars, poms, coins, hearts all duped

[scenic arrow]

neat

[raven sluice]

Yeah it’s insane

[scenic arrow]

sea star can also dupe triple poms you get sometimes

[raven sluice]

It happened to me

i was wondering why charon gave me 4 poms

I wonder if i can make a gambling based build

[primal trench]

Hes nice like that

We do have a boon to increase chance based stuff

[raven sluice]

What if i make a critical dmg based axe bonk build

Let’s go swinging!! Aw dang it Aw dang it

Then it hits for like 600 dmg

[vast oriole]

do you like the Hephaestus boon on like attack/special? So far my thinking is that it's not that great since you don't get a curse from it.

[raven sluice]

Heph is broken

but you do need a lot of poms to make it work

[elfin granite]

You get a curse through one of his auxiliary boons. (Much like Poseidon.)

Yeah, I'm not too fond of Volcanic Strike. Volcanic Flourish is easier to find a spot for.

[vast oriole]

so you think it's good on attack with a lot of cd reduction?

[scenic arrow]

thanatos, add raki, grievous blow, antler

[elfin granite]

yeah, Heph shines with higher rarity & levels to reduce the cooldown

[raven sluice]

I had a full heph set on attack, special and dash and it was bonking all around

then ||kronos bonked me back with instakill||😔

[hallow wedge]

I don't really get heph is it actually worth it over raw damage increases from aphrodite or others?

Even with more frequent triggers a 400 dmg pop every 10 seconds seems bad

[elfin granite]

Heph has been growing on me, overall. Yesterday I got his duo with Apollo that added 300 damage to the blasts and I leveled up the Volcanic Flourish a lot, so I was dishing out 1000 damage projectiles every 6 seconds.

[restive swallow]

At high rarities, heph is pretty low cooldown and it allows you to rush in, combo, and rush out

[raven sluice]

You need several heph boons at once

[scenic arrow]

Heph is high investment, yeah.

Or as a button you press every once in a while

[raven sluice]

Also he has broken duo boons

[restive swallow]

I rate Heph pretty highly, I also really like his armour stuff, too

I did a Heph armour torches run, was fun

[raven sluice]

I get hit too much to do an actual armor run

though it looks fun

[elfin granite]

Funny story: I used ||Echo||'s pom-doubling in the hopes of upgrading my Volcanic Flourish, but it instead doubled my level 5 heroic Nexus Rush and I ended up killing half the enemies from there to ||Chronos|| just by running past them. That thing was dishing out 400+ damage per Hitch application.

[elfin granite]

Thoughts on Trusty Shield vs Frosty Veneer? 🤔

[restive swallow]

Well, you're comparing apples and oranges

one is a boon that you can just pick up and the other requires heavy water infusion

ofc frosty vaneer is better, it's also much harder to get

but I love demeter/axe so I've enjoyed frosty vaneer

[elfin granite]

oh wait, I was thinking of whichever Demeter boon gives you 1 damage block per location/encounter

[restive swallow]

Oh

again, apples/oranges 🤣 Hephaestus has specific armor synergies

[elfin granite]

theoretically, Trusty Shield can block more hits, but a lot of later regions have tons of damage

[restive swallow]

especially if you're running silk or something like that

[elfin granite]

omg Silksong reference

[vast oriole]

How does Flood Gain work exactly? I use smth that uses mana and then i can "free cast" for a certain duration. But then I would never actually gain Mana back?

[elfin granite]

When you expend Magick, Flood Gain triggers a short buff that automatically replenishes all Magick used while it's active. Then it goes on cooldown.

[vast oriole]

yeah i don't spend mana on the spells i cast, but i would never get mana back?

[restive swallow]

Which makes it really good in builds that want to use their magick but not constantly

[vast oriole]

What I'm trying to say is if i have 100 mana and use a spell for 30. Then i can go ham for a duration but in the end i have 70. If i repeat this I'll be at 0 and can't do much.

[restive swallow]

That's not how it works

[vast oriole]

yeah i thought as much

[restive swallow]

that's not what it does, I'm not sure what you think it does

You spend, say, 30 mana. It'll regen you that 30 mana, but it'll go on cooldown, so if you start using a whole bunch of other mana, you'll end up net down

[vast oriole]

but do you ever actually get a net +Mana instead of free casts/refunds?

[restive swallow]

No, becuase it's recovering mana spent during that window

[vast oriole]

i might be really slow on this one

[restive swallow]

if you overshoot and use mana after it runs out, you end up net down

it doesn't give a flat amount

it recovers what you spend

during that window

[vast oriole]

ah okay that's what I was getting at. So it's not really for sustain but for covering bursts

[restive swallow]

Okay, let's be clearer.

You spent 50 mana during the window. it is going to recover that 50 mana for you over the next seven seconds. It's not giving you a mana regen boost or a flat amount of mana.

It is sustain, if you don't use your magick whilst it is down

[vast oriole]

you best need another mana regen with it I suppose.

[restive swallow]

You recover room-to-room, good magick management is enough

but if you're running, say, a build that spends magick on attack, it might not suit

because you need 100% uptime

[scenic arrow]

hestia gain is probably better

[restive swallow]

hestia gain is really good if you're attacking a lot, but some builds don't, like axe

With axe, I sometimes invest heavily in casts and they can get really expensive, and just don't attack enough to make it work, so poseidon is definitely better

[elfin granite]

isn't Hestia per hit? so wouldn't the axe special get you 3 instances?

[restive swallow]

yeah, but I don't want to get that close most of the time

axe is basically a ranged weapon, I've found the special is often best suited to keeping enemies staggered if I mess up

[vast oriole]

although it's pretty basic the stand still regen from Demeter i think, does its job decently well

[latent dock]

tip; when u play axe take posidon , apolo and apherdaite. posiden and apolo have boons that makes ur hits reach further and apherdaite makes ur close range hits stronger

[restive swallow]

No

[elfin granite]

poseidon is flat damage, though, which is terrible for the axe

[restive swallow]

Apollo is okay, but Aphrodite, sometimes you don't evne get the benefit because you're too far away

and yeah, poseidon is flat damage and knockback, which, if I'm fighting with the edge of axe, I'm knocking them out of my combos

[latent dock]

i mixed all of them togethere with hermes attack faster boon. cleared the underground with 16 heat

[elfin granite]

I don't take advice from people who haven't even cleared 17 heat smh

[restive swallow]

trueeee

you can do up-close axe and it works for that, but it's not the most consistent way to play it

[latent dock]

if u play axe just focus on making it faster. another clearnace i had, i had 120% faster attack and 70% faster mega moves

[restive swallow]

Demeter absolutely clears house with axe

The freeze on attack hitting in an aoe makes most encounters trivial

[latent dock]

i like to pair it with apolos daze, i had it on heroic and they were just straight up missing the hits

[restive swallow]

Combining Demeter freezes with Haephestus armour and you basically will just glide through most fights no issue

[restive swallow]

She's good with apollo in general, though it's a bit underwhelming on its own

[latent dock]

we talking all about combos untill u face heat sirens

[scenic arrow]

meanwhile the best axe clear we have so far is heph attack ares special

[latent dock]

toughest heat boss in the game

[vast oriole]

What does "strike" include? Attacks and special?

[latent dock]

only attacks

[elfin granite]

Isn't there a little tooltip that explains that?

[vast oriole]

no 🙁

[primal trench]

Strike is any hit with your weapon, isn't it? Including specials?

[elfin granite]

It can't be only attacks, because it would say "attacks" if that was the case.
Strikes, I'm pretty sure, refers to any and all hits with your weapon.

[latent dock]

i mean some specials are not direct hits . so it could mean only strikes

[primal trench]

It doesnt matter, if it was only attacks it'd say attacks, strikes are also specials

[elfin granite]

Zeus' chain lighting definitely works with your specials and it specifies "strikes".

[scenic arrow]

strikes are any ticks of damage from your weapon lol

[primal trench]

Don't necessarily see why direct hit was mentioned here

[scenic arrow]

"Strike" boons are attacks
"Flourish" boons are specials

[vast oriole]

yeah works 100% on special

[scenic arrow]

thats my best guess for the confusion?

[primal trench]

That'd be my guess if they didn't mention the whole direct hit

[elfin granite]

that's just boon names
in the context of effect descriptions, "strikes" has a particular meaning unrelated to the "X Strike" boon names

[primal trench]

The confusion origin is irrelevant, strikes does include specials, simple

[elfin granite]

also, "X Strike" books amplify your attacks, not your strikes 😛

who's the Ancient Greek God of Confusion? 🤔

[primal trench]

greg

[elfin granite]

Y'all got any tips on how to dodge them ||Typhon|| projectiles?

Especially the last phase.

[vast oriole]

I'm a bit confused about what nectar is good for after you initially give it to an npc for the trinket. Does it just unlock more dialogue?

[primal trench]

Pray

[primal trench]

You bond with them for lore

[elfin granite]

The 2nd nectar also unlocks a relevant prophecy for getting all of that character's boons, which is worth a lot of bones.

[vast oriole]

but there is no atual game play impact afterwards?

[elfin granite]

(it works for regional NPCs too, not just the main gods)

[vast oriole]

oh you get trinkets from like the narcisist or your ||Dad|| etc?

[elfin granite]

You can get keepsakes from any NPC that you can give Nectar to, yes.
But that sentence was referring to giving Gods and boon-giving NPCs a second Nectar to unlock a prophecy.

e.g. giving 2 Nectar to Narcissus unlocks the "get all Narcissus boons" prophecy

[vast oriole]

i missed out on all the non-base npcs...

[elfin granite]

Oops. 😅

[primal trench]

After the first, not really no

[vast oriole]

is there any other "strategy" when fighting the rat miniboss than just kiting it endlessly?

Uh-oh it's called iirc

[restive swallow]

Saying 'the narcasist' like he isn't literally narcissus himself

[latent dock]

use the exploding barrels near u. hit them and lure it in before it explodes

[elfin granite]

I thought they had just mispelled the name 😛

[vast oriole]

Does Chain Reaction trigger like your Heph proc from attacks twice? That sounds pretty darn strong.

[teal moth]

Run

[civic sparrow]

what makes ||Eris|| show up in the crossroads early game?

or is it random?

[teal moth]

It does if you use it within 2 seconds of it coming back online. So it probably wont trigger on your first proc in an area but it will on the second

[vast oriole]

i got the purple Volcanic Strike to 3 sec. This smacks pretty hard with that combo atm

[teal moth]

||pretty sure its random, just make sure you look every day because eris can be hard to miss, she will show up eventually, arrived on the 13th night for me in my new run||

[deft turret]

What's the most effective way to get moondust? The shop is slow af

[vast oriole]

tickets at the box is 8 iirc

[deft turret]

That's still a lot tho

And takes ages

[raven sluice]

Man axe is so good for minions but hard against bosses

Though i eviscerated second biome boss

[deft turret]

One of the dialogues with an npc says mel might be able to make moondust? Is that something that exists in the game and how to get it

[teal moth]

Hephaestus's attack is fine as a boon but I will say its generally not considered great unless you get lucky enough to reduce the cooldown as much as you have, they require a ton of investment to be good which you might want to put towards your survivability boons. But if you like it then stick with it we all have our own paths to success

[elfin granite]

Yes. But you need to unlock the ||Pitch-Black Stone|| first.

[deft turret]

Dunno what that is

[restive swallow]

I've found it really solid against bosses if you time right, make sure you're investing in % damage and not flat damage

[elfin granite]

Exactly!

Axe is a bit tough on bosses, but with the right build, it takes off chunks of their life with each hit.

[deft turret]

I don't really care about spoilers just tell me how to get whatever this is

[teal moth]

It just takes a long time, a good method is to go below ground with tje poseidon keepsake and look for the boons which increase the amount of minor rewards you get, look for bones and get farming with whatever weapon is selected for boning that night

[restive swallow]

Yeah, knocking like a fifth of chronos's healthbar with three attacks goes hard as hell

I pair it with Demeter to improve my window for getting my damage off against bosses

[deft turret]

I have to do farming runs now 😭?

[elfin granite]

You get it from an incantation that ||Chaos|| gives you.

[restive swallow]

If you wanna rush moondust yeah, but you also get a lot from fates etc

[deft turret]

Do I have to nectar him?

[teal moth]

Its a roguelike my guy, you're always farming if you want specific materials, or you can play the game like normal and you'll get them as you complete the prophecies

[restive swallow]

like, if you wanna force it earlier, you gotta grind for it

[elfin granite]

Not that I know of. It just comes up in regular conversation with them.

[teal moth]

You gotta play the game to get stuff XD

[elfin granite]

Ugh. Playing is, like, the worst part of the game. 🙄

[deft turret]

Farming runs are lame tho, but it is what it is ig

[restive swallow]

Ugh I hate running

[restive swallow]

You don't have to force it tho

you will get moondust if you just do normal runs

you don't really need to grind anything, I sure as hell don't

[teal moth]

Spec your cards to get increased charge up time on your omega moves and the slow down effect, then take the hermes keepsake to fish for the faster attack speed or charge up time, and become the whirlwind

[restive swallow]

Or invest in a powerful damaging cast to drop on them (I will always recommend Demeter)

[teal moth]

You dont have to as we said, play the game, unlock the prophecies, you'll get tons of moon dust, but if youre trying to rush it you'll have to farm, there is no super quick way to do it the game isnt about that, I have 160 runs on my early access save and im still missing quite a few things

Enjoy the journey, not the destination

[restive swallow]

Also, like, arcana upgrades generally speaking won't make or break your runs at lower difficulties

[deft turret]

Which arcana cards to level first? I already did death and champions and origination

[restive swallow]

I like the ones that improve high-level boon chances personally, and strength

[raven sluice]

Hermes keepsake lets me do that? I only have the 200s speedup one

[deft turret]

I did do strength but I'm not gonna use strength so

[restive swallow]

well then that's part of your issue tbh :p

using your moondust on stuff you won't use

also use strength it's op as hell

[deft turret]

I thought I'd use it at first but not my thing lol haha

[deft turret]

Ik, it's just that I can't dodge Prometheus so I need the dd to pass that fight

[teal moth]

Hermes boon if you keep upgrading it should let you last through one full region, so save it for the last area, but it makes you go zoom zoom

[vast oriole]

when you have e.g. scorch on your special and launch 3 of them with the Sister Blade upgrade. Can you then have 3 stacks of Scorch ticking?

on the same target i mean

[elfin granite]

each hit applies the boon's listed Scorch value separately

e.g. if the boon says 50 scorch and the special hits 3 times, that's 3×50=150 scorch

[vast oriole]

okay, but applying it 3 times doesn't necessarily mean you can have more than one active.

[elfin granite]

There's no such thing as "more than one active".

[deft turret]

So if u have the aphro duo? Does that imply u can infinitely stack scorch?

[carmine sapphire]

scorch stacks

[teal moth]

Whichever you like using, death defiance obviously is the first port of call, I'd always recommend excellence as well as better chances for stronger boons is never a bad option, particularly if you combo with hera who has a boon which gives you a damage buff if you have no common boons

[elfin granite]

They are not separate stacks. It's a single stack that you add to 3 times.

[carmine sapphire]

it caps at 999

[carmine sapphire]

but yes it just increases as long as you’re near

[deft turret]

Excellence is 5 tho, is it worth running, what would I even replace

[teal moth]

I will say when it comes to scorch effects, you always have a better option, adding scorch to the stack stops the scorch damage from being applied so if you are constantly hitting them scorch does nothing, and it inflicts the damage very slowly as well and a cap of 999 is really poor, there is almost always a better option

[carmine sapphire]

i use scorch just to trigger orig lel

[vast oriole]

Is there any benefit in Scorch applying it's damage faster?

[teal moth]

It is absolutely worth running, upgrade your grasp and take it as your 5 slot to activate the centaur as the middle column is also a good option for activating divinity too which is also a great arcana card

Anything which can improve the rarity of your boons is a good option, its a stacking buff effect the more you have the better it gets

[mild echo]

Does The Sorceress Arcana card mean I channel magick moves quicker too, or is it just an attack speed buff?

[wise locust]

More damage faster. There's a cap of 999 scorch too

[wise locust]

Other way around

[mild echo]

just an attack speed buff?

[wise locust]

Just an omega speed buff

[mild echo]

So doesnt help casting time at all?

[teal moth]

Your move happens faster, it doesnt improve the channel speed. If something improves the channel speed itll say that

[wise locust]

Helps omega casting time

[mild echo]

Gotcha, thanks guys!

[vast oriole]

when a boon has this glowing circle around the symbol it's somehow better i suppose. What's the upside exactly?

[wise locust]

What are you on about

[elfin granite]

adding scorch to the stack stops the scorch damage from being applied
I'm sorry, what?

[wise locust]

Sorceress makes you channel your omega moves in less time. That's all it does

[carmine sapphire]

what symbol

[wise locust]

A boon with a glowing circle? Are you mixing up terms?

[vast oriole]

the symbol of any god sometimes has this big glowing circle around itself.

[wise locust]

When you interact?

[carmine sapphire]

not sure. do you have a picture maybe

[vast oriole]

can't post screenshots

[wise locust]

If it's just when you interact with it.... that's just the god having something to say

There are upgraded boons that drop from minibosses

But they have subtle upwards arrows on them

[carmine sapphire]

do you mean the glowing circle beside the mana bar? or something else?

[elfin granite]

You can post links to images and they'll embed. So, like, send it to an unwitting friend's DMs and then copy the link to the image here. Or upload on imgur.

[teal moth]

yep you're right i'm wrong thats a fault on my part with the inconsistency of the wording of boons, sometimes they say it your omega moves are faster sometimes it says you channel your omega moves faster, but as you say it all meanss the same thing in-game

[wise locust]

Tbh the bigger problem is their inconsistent use of the term "faster"

If something takes 2 seconds to channel, what do you think "30% faster" means here?

[elfin granite]

2.6 seconds /s

[carmine sapphire]

2 / 1.3 probably

[teal moth]

yep which is why its one of those wordings i never put much thhought into before XD "it makes omega move more good" thats about it

[wise locust]

Is the correct answer, but no you're wrong. It's 1.4 seconds.

[carmine sapphire]

i believe hades cooldowns stack multiplicatively(?)

[wise locust]

They do but... ugh okay

[carmine sapphire]

oh is it 2 * 0.7? lol

[wise locust]

Yes, except not always!

[carmine sapphire]

bruh

[wise locust]

Winner's circle says you cast 100% faster. Meaning half the time

Rapid thrasher says 50% faster. Also means half the time

[carmine sapphire]

[wise locust]

Blood plasma stacks up to 100% also meaning you attack twice as fast

[carmine sapphire]

well that just sounds terribly explained

just do big number good i guess

[teal moth]

thats generally the easier way to play yeah

buff the thing you're using and not the thing you're not using, bigger number more good, sometimes bigger number not more good because maths bs, eassier to just play

[carmine sapphire]

just dodge

[teal moth]

just dodge

[wise locust]

Big power is gooder than big +%

Usually

[restive swallow]

Tbf, like 'just dodge' is funny but there's only so far your build can take you

[teal moth]

in 80% of cases yes

[restive swallow]

If you use axe, big % > big power

[wise locust]

Because it already has big power

[teal moth]

the daggers can go either way depending on whether you get some good special bonuses, in which case get those sweeping arcs of happiness and fun

preferably, i'd like both + AND %

[wise locust]

Daggers love wicked onslaught

[verbal lance]

Hello! 15hrs in. Should I finish underworld or olympus first?

[wise locust]

The attack chain is 20, 20, 10 x5, 80. Now add 20 base damage to each of those

[restive swallow]

yeah no daggers like power the most

[civic sparrow]

||oh nice
yea im on my 10th run and i still havent found her there yet so i was kinda confused||

[wise locust]

Staff likes it more tbh, but it has wicked thrasher, which is a monster of an upgrade

Holy thasher trinity wins runs

[restive swallow]

Hm I feel like staff has a lot more synergy with pushing towards casting and being used to space, so I'm not sure staff cares as much about delaing damage with the staff as daggers relies on the actual daggers to do the damage

[wise locust]

Mirrored rapid wicked thrasher is 12x base dps

[wise locust]

You'd be right until wicked thrasher enters the fight

Staff upgrades are the most cracked things

[restive swallow]

Yes but I still think daggers need damage so bad

[teal moth]

staff is the king of +power, daggers quite love the extra power, but also love final slice. +20 to each hit of the daggers gives you an extra 160 total per attack set, final slice gives an extra 240 to the final attack, both is better

[wise locust]

Kinda. The staff combo is 10, 15, 20. Much lower

[restive swallow]

Yeah but staff can still do other things

[wise locust]

The mel aspect makes her regular special into a goddamn railgun so...

[fierce sequoia]

How does „compelling shades„ work?

I already searched the web and all the write ups essentially just say „press the right buttons“

I don’t get it at all.
I start the minigame, the left hand is highlighted in green, I press the left trigger and it fails??

[wise locust]

Hold it

[restive swallow]

Press and hold

[teal moth]

you need to hold it down

[fierce sequoia]

Thanks,
Pretty sure I did that at least once but Ill try again

[teal moth]

just keep holding it until it pings

then do the next one

[restive swallow]

You have to stop when it's no longer there or you'll fail

[wise locust]

Daggers can do other stuff. Trick knives is disgusting because a single tap does 45 +6x25

Yes, dash strike is 45 power for some reason

[restive swallow]

one + I ain't here to do maths and two I guess but I definitely still think that daggers rely a lot more on buffing the actual attacks than spear does, spear builds that don't focus on buffing up spear are much more viable

[wise locust]

You can absolutely play a special focused dagger build

Dancing daggers and hidden knives makes you some kind of pinball machine

[teal moth]

special dagger builds are incredibly funny when you get the ball roling with them, just wish the omega special was more consistent

[restive swallow]

special focused, yeah, but you still want to do attack damage because you can get off the attacks so quick

[teal moth]

combinations with hera or poseidon lead to what can only be described as an epilepsy warning

well yeah thats literally the point in the special build but you're not using your full attack sequence just your dassh strikes to trigger trick knives, you bounce around like a pinball, the specials bounce around like a pinball, everything gets hitched or wave crashed, add some static sshock to the mix if you're feeling frisky, can't see a damn thing anymore

hilariouss

[restive swallow]

I bricked my computer with coat + zeus lightning + triple dash attack + extra lightning bolts + aphrodite dash

[ashen halo]

hii, i just unlocked the recipe for the ||aspect of nergal||, ||do the other weapons have these hidden aspects too? is there a direct way to discover them, or do you also get them seemingly random from charon? :o||

[primal trench]

Yes every weapon has a hidden aspect, no charon only gives you the one you got, other people gives you the rest

[ashen halo]

how do i get more from the other people? is it friendship based? or is it like after certain upgrade levels on every aspect? o.O

[primal trench]

Max an aspect from the weapon then speak to person from the second aspect

[ashen halo]

ahhh oki, tyvm

[indigo quest]

Can you only earn 1 nightmare per run? I put on 6 and only got 1 nightmare resource when killing the target it wanted.

[wise locust]

One per bounty

You can overcrank fear to 24 and get every bounty for that weapon on that run

[shrewd salmon]

are bounties random? i seem to only get surface bosses there

[wise locust]

No. It's set. But it only shows you the lowest fear bounty for each weapon

[tidal void]

Hey guys - I played during the initial early access and plan to head back in but really don't remember much since it's been a while. Is it possible to start a new game while keeping everything I grinded during early access ? Or is this not something we can do.

[wise locust]

You can just pick up your save file from where it left off or start afresh

[tidal void]

I wanted best of both worlds. I don't remember much of the story but I remember grinding the collectibles

[raven sluice]

Man i really have to stop getting so much damage in chronos fights

[raven sluice]

Why dont u start a new save, relearn the stuff u forgot, and go back to ur old save with the knowledge

[vast oriole]

Sometimes you keep facing/hitting an enemy while moving away from him and sometimes your character turns around. How can you control that properly?

[pseudo sluice]

Apparently plants harvest automatically after using ||bath salts? I just used some with Dora and my plants harvested without doing a run||

Might be a bug? Would be the second weird bug I see today lol

[teal moth]

You know you can have up to 4 different save files right?

[modern dust]

Hi hopefully this is not a dumb question. Is Hades 2 harder than Hades 1 or do I just need to get further with the metaprogression before I can have an easier time winning runs?

I have tourettes syndrome which gives me some problems focusing on the gameplay as I tend to look away from screen a lot and let me get hit a lot randomly. In Hades 1 I managed to win over 10 times while increasing heat without turning on any accessibility mode.

Currently about 12 runs in Hades 2 and still struggling a lot, I got to final boss twice but died because I kept getting hit and the damage was super high. I still don't have many metaprogression unlocked at the moment in H2.

[primal trench]

Hades 2 is harder simply because you canr dash spam everything

So if you relied on that to win, that's not longer the case, if you didn't rely on dash spamming should be around the same

Dying twice to the final boss is completely fine

[modern dust]

Hmm I see. I need to get used to hades 2 gameplay difference yeah, I panic a lot and get hit while my tics get worse and cause me to look away from screen. Not too sure how to calm myself when the gameplay gets intense

[modern dust]

Managed to reach final boss at 5th and 9th run

But it was too tough

[primal trench]

That's ok

[upper swan]

Are there duo boons in h2? I played when the ea released but i haven't played since

[quiet dragon]

Yes there are. They also require having some prerequisite Boons

[vast oriole]

I feel like the Axe's normal special is its worst move.

[upper swan]

Is it the same system as h1?

[quiet dragon]

I don't recall exactly how it worked in H1, but I don't think it's any different

[upper swan]

Okay, so like 1 boon from each of the 2 gods? The reason i ask is cuz in h1 dash boons didn't count for the prerequisite

[quiet dragon]

Basically yeah. You can look on the Wiki (or in the game's "Codex" later on) to see what requires what

I think Dash Boons count for some of them

[scenic oasis]

Whats like the best stuff early game?

[upper swan]

Okay, im gonna try and start a fresh file tonight. I wanted to wait until the game released, and ig here it is

[pearl sand]

what do you mean by stuff? boons? keepsakes?

[scenic oasis]

Like weapons the cards boons what items to prioritize like the hammer

Overall good tips and good items so lookout for and use early game

[pearl sand]

for cards, the furies, persistence, wayward son, the sorceress, origination. strength is very good if you're not attached to death defiances

the huntress is also good

[modern dust]

Is the axe base aspect like super terrible? Felt like its super slow

[elfin swift]

Idk if its super terrible, but i definitely like the +% atk speed aspect

[pearl sand]

ygnium (aspect of moros especially) is good/strong for earlier clears. the base staff with some upgrades is good. not sure how far in you are

boons depend a lot on the weapon, but i feel like there aren't many bad boons in the game

[pearl sand]

yeah, it can feel pretty slow. not necessarily bad, though

[vivid flare]

No, all 4 Axes are all good weapons

There's a bit of tech to learn with it, though

[modern dust]

Any examples?

Also does someone know whether location means per room or per zone? Not sure whether to pick up snow queen

[vivid flare]

The attack chain will be reset when you special, and can be animation-canceled with the special

[vivid flare]

Per room

[modern dust]

Ty!

[vivid flare]

Something that's per zone would say "per region"

[elfin swift]

You can ac with special????

Im almost certain ive done it but had no idea i was doing it lol

[vivid flare]

Yep

It's something that, mercifully, has survived since the start of early access

[strange patio]

Question about Demeter's Tranquil Gain

what does "Inactive" mean? standing still or not attacking

[elfin swift]

Standing still

[scenic oasis]

What is guardians?

Should i use the knuckle bones?

[elfin swift]

The region bosses, eg hecate, scylla etc

[scenic oasis]

alr ty

should i use knuckle bones?

https://imgur.com/a/e539gWs

[tidal moss]

Yes, very good keepsake

[scenic oasis]

alr

[strange patio]

isn't that quite weak

[tidal moss]

Yeah Demeter gain sucks balls never take it

[elfin swift]

Idk overall, but for me not really in a casual run

You can run run in a corner and go back to full after half a second or so

But it's definitely not great lol

[vivid flare]

No?

[pearl sand]

it can be fine in some situations if that's the best you've got

[vivid flare]

It's crap at Common, but at Rare and up, it's a second of standing still to get back your entire MP bar

[elfin swift]

Its also easy if youre not in an aspect/run constantly needing omega moves like morrigan

[strange patio]

do you think it's still in effect with Skull's special dash

some sort of bypass

[stiff hawk]

Just got past the 1st boss for the 1st time. Wasn't like Hades 1 where I had a magic run all the way to the end of Elysium. Died in the 1st room after that

[vivid flare]

Don't think so, though I know it works while the Oattack on Axe is going, if you have the Psychic Whirlwind Hanmer

[rare rune]

Its honestly fine if your pool is big enough since it regens fast!

I still like it more than Zeus gain even after change

[strange patio]

Does Selene's path of stars upgrade that says "After using your Hex" stacks?

[pearl sand]

i'm not 100% sure, but i believe it doesn't (haven't seen anyone abuse it yet and someone surely would have if possible. they just stack with the other upgrades of the same type, but doesn't proc twice if you hex twice in a fight

[strange patio]

yeah I guess some spammable ones would be OP

[raven sluice]

I love the big damage bonk hex

[vale maple]

||there is no crafting recipe for familiar food at the pot for me even though I've got 3 of them. Is it a bug? Shouldn't I have it?||

[tepid plank]

|| You have to feed one of your pets enough times to get it iirc ||

[vale maple]

||I have fed 1 to 3 of them, how do I get more?||

[tepid plank]

|| Um, legitimately just use up all of the cookies ||

|| Yeah, the requirement is feeding all three cookies to your pets ||

[vale maple]

||I've done that...||

[tepid plank]

|| Have you made it to the surface ||

[vale maple]

||no||

[tepid plank]

|| that’s one of the requirements, so… yeah. Good luck!||

[vale maple]

Ok thanks 🙂

[tepid plank]

oh, btw, i think ||another requirement is the pitch black stone incantation you get from chaos||

it's not well explained for some reason, but the code is there

[silk falcon]

how do i unlock sister blades?

[vale maple]

Ok

[frigid tapir]

can familiars be upgraded?

[elfin granite]

Yes, but you need an incantation for it.

[frigid tapir]

do i need like more than 2 familiars to unlock? onlyo have cat and frog so far

[elfin granite]

You unlock weapons and aspects at the Silver Pool (center of training grounds).

[vale maple]

What is "tartarus"? 🙂

[elfin granite]

It's a dish where the meat is, like, uncooked or something.

[silk falcon]

ive purchades all the weapons from there

[vale maple]

Its a flower i need to pick and the game says its in tartarus

[silk falcon]

alr i have them

thank you

[elfin granite]

Then what's the problem? You already have the sister blades. 🤔

[elfin granite]

Oh lmao, it was a serious question. Oops. It's the last Underworld region.

[silk falcon]

yeah lol i forgot my bad

and thank you

[vale maple]

Oh ok 🙂 ty

[silk falcon]

are they any good btw?

[elfin granite]

Yes. But then again, all the weapons are. Sister blades have the added bonus of being fairly straight-forward.

[autumn flare]

Is it possible to invert the hold autoattack so that holding ctrl allows the usage of omega attacks and the default would be hold to attack?

Like a setting

[frigid tapir]

do i need to necessarily clear higher oath levels to unlock more stuff, independently of the skulls that drop from oath targets?

[elfin granite]

Theoretically, no. You can buy Nightmare from the Broker, but it's very expensive, so the Oath speeds it up.

[autumn flare]

Ohhh, if you game crashes you're back at the crossroads?

That's a major bummer

[rapid nebula]

hey guys wahts the point for gifting nectar after the first time?

[elfin granite]

Second time unlocks a relevant prophecy for any boon-giving Gods or NPCs. After that, it's just for more story and character development.

[autumn flare]

What does the finger pointing up icon mean in front of boons? (Not resources)

[elfin granite]

You mean on doors? It means there's a resource needed for a recipe you've marked with forget-me-not in that room.

[autumn flare]

On doors of olympic boons

[elfin granite]

Yeah, what I said.

[autumn flare]

How can an olympic boon give me resources

[scenic arrow]

poseidon

[vivid timber]

Its also if the room had resources, it will show it no matter the reward

[elfin granite]

The icon is telling you that the room has resources for a marked recipe.

[scenic arrow]

the room itself will have something you need, like a flower or mining node

[autumn flare]

Oh it can reveal that in advance?

[vivid timber]

yea

[elfin granite]

Only exception, iirc, is ||Ephyra||, which doesn't seem to reveal anything.

[frigid tapir]

i onlocked the hotspring in crossroads, what is it for? how do i use it/

[elfin granite]

it's for vibes and relationship progress

[frigid tapir]

thanks, then what about the fishing pier?

[pearl sand]

same thing basically + you get a fishing chance

you need bath salts to invite someone to the spring, and twin lure for the pier

they both also pass time, so it can help with growing plants + waiting for an incantation

[celest rose]

Sorry to barge in here but have people talked much about Armor and whether it should ever be opted for; i feel like it sucks but am open to having my mind change

[elfin swift]

Armor if youre building around it with heph

[celest rose]

like why have a whole separate system that's just a one time health refill that just happens to be separate from your health bar

[celest rose]

like for bonuses unique to when you have armor on? i have to double check what he offers

but it's so stressful trying to keep whatever last shard of your armor is left lol

[pearl sand]

yeah, there's a %strike/attack damage based on armor

if you're having trouble surviving, armor can be a big help

"big" lol

[vivid timber]

Armor is good since its just more temp hp
and Heph has some very crazy buffs w it

[elfin swift]

Heph also has boons that refresh & help keep your armor up

[pearl sand]

but yeah this is relatable

[elfin swift]

Which can also combine with dodge boons

[lilac sundial]

or aracnes silks, keeping them intact for their buffs
I find armor can buy you a little breathing room too, gives your health a chance to regen as the armor tanks damage instead. Things like Chaos go thru armor, so you lose health to them, but the armor is still there to let you regen

[celest rose]

yeah okay thanks i'm about 15-20 runs in but didn't see some of the Heph boons for armor yet just the 7 second one. I see now there are more substantive ones that synergize

Yeah i thought the same thing about chaos it's a good point. just a bit underwhelming especially compared to the stress of clinging onto the aracne bonuses

[lilac sundial]

ya heph is often seen as a support god hard to make him your main unless you heavily pom his attack or special boon, and buff them with others of his

[vivid timber]

If ur going for the achivement my method is
Torches, my fav is aspect of ||moros||
get as many heph things as possible that buff armor
Then silken sash till the end(Max arachnes item)
Then just dont get hit

[celest rose]

last part is what i need to shed lol

so torches just on principle as the most keep-your-distance weapon type?

[lilac sundial]

honestly sash is so terrible in the fields tho, it might be better to replace it with something that will help you not take damage or buff you some other way

[vivid timber]

Yep, the apsect I use is relaly good at long rang damage but the regular one works fine

[vivid timber]

You can make that argument anywhere

[elfin swift]

Some of the armor heph boons also require/easier if you have a bunch of heph boons

[lilac sundial]

well it's because you only got thru like 5 doors in the fields, the rooms are massive so it doesn't proc often to give you armor, unless they changed that

[vivid timber]

I did sash all the way and ended w like 300+ armor but then again all my heph boons were like level 6

[shy zephyr]

-let's you tank big hits, if you have 5 armor and get hit by an 80 damage attack you only receive the 5 damage
-cheaper than hp
-is not affected by ||vow of scars||
-trusty shield from ||hephaestus|| is one of the boons of all time

it's a good system to have next to hp

[modern dust]

Can I get bronze from ||overworld|| without using ||icantation||? I got it once but I never seen it afterwards. I am trying to see if I can cheese by farming and dying then repeat runs

[vivid timber]

i mean techincally. I dont recommend it since you can only clear like 2-3 rooms and it has a relativly low spawn chance

[autumn flare]

The game nudges you to do this as well, and yes you can get bronze that way

[modern dust]

I just need 3 more in order to unlock the reveal aspect thingy

[autumn flare]

Or rather the game nudges you to get the ingredients to lift the thing that way, but I can imagine wanting to just get bronze if there's something you want to unlock

I got like 9 bronze in pretty quick order, you can visit three rooms

Don't fight the last room, just loot the stuff if it's there

[modern dust]

Nevermind, I just got the 6th bronze to unlock the reveal stuff

[autumn flare]

Ya it really doesn't take too much time

[restive swallow]

Btw to whoever said haephestus is bad, bruh, killing bosses in three rotations is not ok

[glass tide]

haeph can be nuts

[elfin granite]

and bolts!

[glass tide]

...minor spoilery question about Hypnos: ||I've killed both underworld and overworld bosses, and my friend got the incantation to awaken him without killing the overworld boss at all, but I've not seen it yet. Can anyone point me to the unlock trigger for that?||

[vivid timber]

||To awakenhim you need to fully beat the game and play the epilogue||

[glass tide]

||So it's a bug that my friend got access already?||

[vivid timber]

||You have the incantation. but the item nessesary only come from afther you beat the game||

[glass tide]

||How do I get the incantation then? I haven't seen that!||

[vivid timber]

||Medea told em the incantation so unless you've been yapping to her you wont get it||

[glass tide]

thanks!

[autumn flare]

If you prime magicka, are you considered to be below maximum?

[vivid timber]

no
becuz ur max becomes what ur prime

[glass tide]

...one other progress related question: ||How to unlock the Vow of Rivals?||

[vivid timber]

Beat the bosses multiple times and talk to hecate alot, then it will unclock in the cauldron

[glass tide]

hmm

It's another of those "I have it but my friend who got further than me doesn't" lol

[vivid timber]

yep

most of the questions you'll have is just "Beat the game and talk to everyone multiple times"

its one of those games

[glass tide]

I think that one is actually "Talk to Hecate as a boss", though

at least I'm pretty sure that's where I got it

[vivid timber]

I dont fully remember, i got it like 150 hours ago.

[glass tide]

one last different question - do you know if there's an official bug report place?

[vivid timber]

f10

deadass just press f10 in game

[glass tide]

yep yep you've been wondefully helpful thank you!

[vivid timber]

or f11

[glass tide]

perfect! I'd looked through the menus but didn't see a button like I thought was in Hades 1 😄 I can F10

I'll mash the F keys don't worry

[vivid timber]

one of those buttons

[vivid timber]

alt f4 in a run right before the final bosses to activate easy mode

[glass tide]

You can't lose that way

[glass tide]

you were right the first time, it's F10

Now I just need to go make it happen again. Fortunately it's easily reproducible (Also fortunately it's minor. But hopefully that means trivial to fix too.)

[pseudo sluice]

Wooooooah, ||surface|| really feels like a build check, I thought I was strong, beat ||Prometheus while struggling (the lines took like 2 of my DDs)||

Then I just got thrown into 2 guardian fights almost back to back who are really really hard as if that wasn't enough, there's no chill while you keep ||going up|| it's really hard woah

[autumn flare]

It seems like the previous game's tendency to give you "basic slot boons" is not in effect in this game?

[shy zephyr]

it is

[autumn flare]

Oh, maybe I'm just unlucky in several runs

Or the chance is lower even if it's there

[upper apex]

how do I avoid getting cursed by hecate?

[pseudo sluice]

dash through it several times it disappears

[vivid timber]

Dodge alot until the witches spawn, or let it hit the frog

[upper apex]

poor frog

[restive swallow]

or let it hit you and just run the gauntlet :p

[vivid flare]

Boons definitely still try to fill your cores before you get support boons

[rich spade]

Is it intended that the Grave Thirst can be applied to a weapon I have not yet unlocked? It seems quite unfair

[autumn flare]

Had to get four hephasteus boons before I got a special and I had all the other slots filled

That's almost literally impossible in h1

[pearl sand]

i dunno about intended, but they at least didn't change the coding for it. and i imagine they received feedback about it during EA

[autumn flare]

It's definitely intended, otherwise you'd be incentivized not to unlock more weapons

-> Would make gameplay boring for people who optimize

[pearl sand]

if someone would dodge enjoying the other weapons to farm a few bones, they deserve them imo lol

[autumn flare]

You would think that but a big portion of players will optimize the fun out of games if they are given the opportunity, so smart developers avoid mechanics that make that happen

[pearl sand]

fair. i was over conservative with spending bones on my first file anyway so i'm far from that person

[modern dust]

Which boon?

[proud pebble]

So can someone who has clearly played H2 tell me about the weapons? I know they're different from H1 and I have seen them but how do they FEEL

[restive spade]

Is there a way to manually aim ranged weapons like the Umbral Flames? Sometimes I find myself wanting to attack something but the autoaim attacks something else instead lol

[elfin granite]

What do you mean?

[proud pebble]

Well ive only played h1, and each weapon in H1 feels slightly different to use.
Im wondering if someone can explain how the weap ok ns in h2 feel

[autumn flare]

What's good synergy for umbral flames?

[scenic arrow]

staff is sort of like a long range spear, good for mid range stabbing
daggers is a fast flurry of small hits
axe is slow, large swings with some tankiness
skull is like rail, a grenade launcher with ammo that needs to reload
torches is weird, like a twinstick shooter, sorta
coat is a mix of fists and homing rockets

there is no shield in this game, providing easy and consistent blocks

[proud pebble]

Mhm

[restive spade]

Coat can be a good shield if good enough with it I guess (I've only used it once so far but I can see it being very usable on capable hands)

[scenic arrow]

Similar to Hades 1, all 6 weapons have 4 aspects, 1 based on the protag, 2 based on greek characters, and 1 hidden aspect based on another mythology/legend

The aspects are better balanced though, so I've used most of them to win a run a few times at least, across 150 nights

[vivid flare]

Getting a lot of "when using Omega move, do this but consume more MP" effects, Born Gain, and ||Righteous Pike||

[autumn flare]

Is the omega synergy good? Isn't it only just fourth attack?

[vivid flare]

You can make it happen more often with channel speed buffs, IIRC

[faint tundra]

I've been playing Hades 2 since EA and also have aboout 100 hours in Hades 1, so I'll give it my best shot.

Just like in H1, the weapons feel really solid and well-designed. Each of them have their different playstyles that grow on you over time, and you'll find your preferences. One thing I feel H2 does better this time around is encouraging the use of different weapons. There are loadouts and God combos I'll turn my nose at on the Daggers, but LOVE on the Axe. It also helps that Omegas help to add a layer of depth to weapons that feel important to building winning strategies.

[modern dust]

Alright, finally got to phase 2 of the final boss. Strength arcana seems like the play compared to DD...

[scenic arrow]

I think DD has a better matchup tbh

[leaden smelt]

H2 has a cuter protagonist

Can anyone tell me how the heck i should be building axe because I mistakenly made Mel Aspect V as my only leveled weapon and its VERY slow for final bosses

[modern dust]

This is good to know, I just wish I am better at some weapons especially the Axe. Struggling a lot. Also I just unlocked the incantations that infuses element into boons, kinda nice.

[modern dust]

Why so?

[sleek idol]

Do midbosses count as guardians, or is it just the final boss of each level?

[pearl sand]

zeus and hera are good for attack/special, demeter cast

[pearl sand]

just the final boss

[elfin granite]

mid bosses are called "wardens"

[woven ether]

any other newbies (or more seasoned players) have any build recs? i finally got passed 2nd boss > ||scylla|| but died immediately after due to a phantom

[elfin granite]

%-based damage boost on attack goes hard, demeter is also nice for freezing enemies in place (though she works just as well on the cast)

[woven ether]

should specify i'm mainly using the daggers rn

[faint tundra]

Good example- in H1, you had the Aspect of Chiron bow that let you use your Special to Auto-Target an enemy after you use your Attack on them. You could throw Dionysus on the Special and if you're good at dodging, this would pretty much get you the win in a way that was fun and satisfying. In Hades 2, we have now have Aspect of Pan Daggers, which has the same mechanic, but activating it requires your enemy to be in your Cast circle first. There's dozens of viable options to put on your Cast and Special that will help net you the win, but if you're only used to Hades 1, that level of depth can throw you off and confuse you.

[shy zephyr]

apollo, aphro or ||hera|| on attack, the builds are very simple it's just that the weapon is hard to learn

[faint tundra]

The Axe is a lot of fun- I'd reccommend Apollo or ||Hera|| on Attack if you're having trouble.

If you just unlocked elements for boons, Apollo and Hera have excellent Infusion boons that will really help you survive longer and win more consistently while you learn enemy attack patterns.

[cyan tiger]

||Poseidon wants me to catch more fish. Can I use cat for that, or I must use fishing rod?||

[restive swallow]

I am high rolling out of my god damn mind this run

[elfin granite]

How am I supposed to dodge the projectiles from ||Charybdis||?

[scenic arrow]

I presume you mean halfway through. Start at one end of the arena, then run to the other end. They'll despawn before they reach you

[elfin granite]

Yep. Thanks.

[hot gorge]

Is there a pet that helps with chance to find darkness?

[scenic arrow]

I think darkness = flower, so it would be... Gale?

[hot gorge]

ok I'll try her thanks!

[elfin granite]

Yeah, Darkness is "collected by hand".

[shy zephyr]

||https://youtu.be/VO6ZueemovY?si=TWQZRDCXlkaTRf7Y||

[vivid flare]

Aphrodite attack is also excellent

Her infusion also helps a great deal with survivability since it's dodge

[scenic arrow]

I wonder if you can make ||ares|| atk work on it

[restive swallow]

I have a question about fighting chronos

|| I struggle to see the second aoe nuke, any tips for noticing it? The first does this big show of everything flashing red but that doesn't happen the second time and it catches me off guard ||

[cosmic burrow]

Can you save scum switching to Aromatic Phial in region 2 to re-roll which boon it’ll affect when using the fountain?

[vivid flare]

You definitely can, but you're praying for ||Grievous||

[vivid flare]

No, the RNG is seeded

[scenic arrow]

yeah that's what I was thinking, you absolutely need minicrits

[shy zephyr]

the whole floor becomes black except a circle around him

[scenic arrow]

stand in the safe donut

[cosmic burrow]

Ok. So the most control we have over it is sticking to a single common boon in region 1

[twin bloom]

question about rng, if i restart a run and pick a different weapon i assume its a different seed right?

[restive swallow]

okay, I wish the two looked the same

[shy zephyr]

nope

[vivid flare]

Yeah. If you've seen some Haelian videos where he keeps saying "no commons" to himself, that's why he does it

[scenic arrow]

hm is this worth it, you think?

[vivid flare]

No commons no commons no comm-ons

[scenic arrow]

maybe it is, to get a guaranteed heroic attack/special, idk

[cosmic burrow]

I’m playing blind on Switch 2. Thought I’ve quickly taken to that as my opening strategy going from region 1 to 2. Gotta love an early, offensive heroic boon

[scenic arrow]

my issue is that you're potentially borking your build by taking weird rares

[vivid flare]

Or to get Heroic on a load-bearing support boon

Like minicrits

[vivid flare]

Or burning rerolls

[scenic arrow]

yeah

like "well damn, guess I'm taking ares gain now"

[cosmic burrow]

Not quite. I don’t mind going for Selene or gold once I’ve secured my region 1 common.
Once, I got a Hephaestus heroic damage mitigation. Reduced all damage taken by 4. I was sooo sad it didn’t hit my offensive boon, but then pleasantly surprised by how tanky it made me. It was the most relaxing run I’ve had.

[scenic arrow]

I guess that's one element I'd rather just leave up to rng

[vivid flare]

Just wait until you also get Brave Face alongside a Heroic Heph regen

[scenic arrow]

I don't mind too much if I have to slog it with a blue attack for a while, give it some poms and it's fine

[sly linden]

What's everyone's favorite weapons so far? I've gotten 3 wins with the Umbral Flames and they feel pretty insane
The Twin Blades with scorch was another W and those absolutely shred

[scenic arrow]

most of the hiddens are super fun

[sly linden]

Ohhh cool exacting

Exciting*

[scenic arrow]

Circe is dumb and really strong, Nyx coat is pretty fun, and mashing away with Mel blades is neat

[vivid flare]

Mel Axe, Mel Torch, Medea Skull, looking forward to trying Circe Staff, Charon Axe, Selene Coat

[cosmic burrow]

Revaal, the skull. Aspect of Persephone.
And Staff with firing omega attacks.
I’ve legendary aspect backstab twin blades, but those are not effective for… certain places.

[elfin granite]

I do love the Umbral Flames.

[sly linden]

They feel sooo good

[sly linden]

Ohhh yeah that backstabbing is nice but situational

[sly linden]

Yeah some really fun aspects

[cosmic burrow]

Oh, and Axe aspect of Thanatos! With Night arcana. I can shuffle distant omega cast and specials for big critical hits.

[sly linden]

I'm just surprised how much faster a run is even at the start with minimal upgrades. I remember in Hades 1 my first ever W was after 22 runs and it took me nearly 46 minutes

In 2 it was like 10 runs only and 24 minutes

Way faster but that's probably some skill carry over

Some of those arcana cards have insane damage boosters too so I'm hyped to see how fast people make it

[cosmic burrow]

(Caveat, I’m playing blind) My first run took probably near an hour. I went around admiring the scenery and then spent minutes reading over each boon option as they appeared. It was overwhelming, at first lol

[sly linden]

I'm blind as well. I skipped all EA stuff on purpose so I was hyped af for this drop

[spiral remnant]

is there a way to customise the house/lair like in the first game?

[sly linden]

Oh yeah there's way more going on here for sure lol

[vapid kernel]

question about the ||zagreus fight||, how do the ||infernal contracts spawn?|| i’m only seeing them every 4 runs in ||either erebus or thessaly and not after, which seems like weird behavior||

[vivid flare]

||They're found in the shops||

Also, for the new players, this is a post-game spoiler

[slender bone]

Dear lord the new crafting requirements for the new stuff are so steep, what the hell

[sly linden]

Ah ok thanks lol

[scenic arrow]

the 1.0 stuff?

[twin bloom]

is there a list of incantations and what they require to show up? cant help but feel like im completely missing a bunch for a random reason

[scenic arrow]

wiki has it in the cauldron page, probably will be outdated

[sly linden]

It's a dialogue thing. You gotta exhaust the text until the ones that give those things pop up if it's like Hades 1 unlocks

I have a buddy who got the something I've never seen
I have something he's never seen yet

[scenic arrow]

Unfortunately we just dont know the precise unlock conditions for a lot of stuff

[modern dust]

What is the common boon mechanic you guys talking about? "securing" first region common?

Is there a way to manipulate boons?

[sly linden]

God keepsakes

[scenic arrow]

equipping a gods keepsake guarantees a boon from them

[sly linden]

Yeah

And you can rarify the boon of your choosing

[slender bone]

And the one just before that i skipped

[modern dust]

but what has it got to do with the common part? just rarify?

[scenic arrow]

You can unlock and use rerolls to grab the boon you want

[modern dust]

oo i see

[scenic arrow]

aromatic phial will rarify a common boon you have when you fountain

[twin bloom]

im talking to everyone as much as i can but it still feels like im missing a bunch of stuff, like my cauldron hasnt added a new recipe in ages and i bet im nowhere near close to finishing it

[vivid flare]

There's a keepsake that rarifies a Common boon up to Heroic (at rank 3), so sometimes you deliberately take something at common to rarify it later

[vapid kernel]

(ah sorry, postgame spoilers from here on out) ||I know it’s found in the shops! I’m just wondering if they only spawn in a set shop location until you beat him, I’m stuck trying to get his keepsake since they’re spawning in only in early areas for me||

[sly linden]

Yeah it's a dialogue thing. Just keep doing it over and over

I remember in Hades 1, some side quests required me to hear specific lines from someone and I had to do way too many runs to hear that one line

[scenic arrow]

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Cauldron#Incantations

[sly linden]

You can't miss anything. Everyone unlocks everything eventually