h2-for-new-players

[vivid flare]

I usually spend them on Fate Fabric and my nightly Nectar stipend

[frail grail]

so i shouldnt waste it on psyche?

[vivid flare]

It's not a waste to spend them on Psyche, but I'm already constantly ordering them through Obol Points

[alpine wedge]

What are the best keepsakes to gather? Question moreso is is there any standout good one?

[vivid flare]

All the god keepsakes are solid

White Antler, while terrifying to get into, absolutely becomes worth the downside once you get used to playing clean and once you get it to rank 3

[scenic arrow]

god keepsakes are really good for tuning your run to pick up key boons, yeah
Knucklebones is good for finishing a run
Aromatic phial is very clutch

[thick halo]

Is there any way to cancel the mana stuff?

[scenic arrow]

wdym?

[vivid flare]

As in charging an Omega?

I think dashing cancels it

[alpine wedge]

Where is knucklebones from? Also what does phial do at 3*?

[vivid flare]

Odysseus, and makes a Common Heroic

[scenic arrow]

turn a boon to heroic rarity

[thick halo]

The thing with the star symbol
Dashing doesn't cancel it

it's my first time playing so I'm clueless XD

[alpine wedge]

Oh i just skipped over it, knew theres no way i couldve not given odysseus one. Guardians are the mini bosses ?

[vivid flare]

This Keepsake had to get nerfed to just 1 region because it was by far and away the strongest in the game, BTW

[alpine wedge]

Or the region bosses?

[vivid flare]

Guardians are minibosses, yes. Wardens are region bosses

[scenic arrow]

it's the other way around

[alpine wedge]

Dont see how the keepsake could be useful if its that

[scenic arrow]

guardians are bosses, wardens are minibosses

[vivid flare]

Ah, right

[scenic arrow]

take less damage on boss fight, you deal a chunk to them when the fight begins

[vivid flare]

As an example, rank 3 or 4 Knuckle Bones will sometimes let you outright skip a phase

[scenic arrow]

it's not ideal on Chronos though, since he ||has 2 healthbars instead of 1||

[proper tiger]

What weapon is most similar to the adamant rail?

[scenic arrow]

Flames or Skull?

[vivid flare]

Argent Skull

Specifically the hidden aspect

[scenic arrow]

yeah Skull hidden is very similar

[proper tiger]

Thanks! I guess I'll be relying on sister blades special until I get it. (I'm best with long range)

[scenic arrow]

I think you might prefer staff? omegas are good long range damage option

when I think of "sniping enemies" I think of staff omegas and charon

Like Hades 1 though, most weapons want you to get up close and engage

[proper tiger]

Maybe. I'll try that out more. I've been fumbling with controls so I'll practice more on skully and see if I can make that work

[placid ingot]

where is n shade obtained from? been to every region and mustve just been blind

[scenic arrow]

erebus seed, grown in farm I think?

[thick halo]

the MC seems more powerful than Zagreus, she TPs when she's about to die

[placid ingot]

how do i get the seed?

[scenic arrow]

you need shovel

[placid ingot]

do have that

[scenic arrow]

do runs and look for the piles of dirt, then

[thick halo]

Judging by the painting, Hades 2 occurs several years after Hades right?

[vivid flare]

Indeed

[modest turret]

does the forget me not symbol on a door indicate theres a resource i need for my forget me not recipes or is it a prophecy thing

[polar laurel]

Yeah Mel is stronger. Tbf Mel has been training her whole life for this specific purpose

[willow void]

I’m trying to wrap my head around scorch. It seems similar to doom, a spike of damage after a period of time. I don’t understand the “accrued” part though.

[native vault]

what must I do to unlock the archives or its equivelant. I've made it as far as ||Tartarus and Chronos|| now but did not beat him

[dark breach]

What Keepsakes should I get first?

I got Skelly's and Zeus' so far

[daring steeple]

almost all of the non god boons are really unique and usually good so focus on those

[proven root]

Does anyone know how to get the incantation to upgrade arcana cards? I have about 14 cards unlocked and 20 grasp

[neon sparrow]

Skelly's a good one to push through enough rooms or to get an underserved win. Thing is, god boons are consumable often used on location 1 and then have no further effect.

Also, does anyone know if the morph curse' upgrade "Decline", that makes afflicted foes loes 5% of health, is based on remaining life or max life ?

[daring steeple]

max life

[neon sparrow]

Ouh, now that's something. Thanks for info

[gritty slate]

Is there a way to nmare grind?

[idle gorge]

I have so much trouble to adapt to the pacing of the fights

It's like faster and slower at the same time

[vivid flare]

Need to unlock the ||taverna in the Crossroads, then you'll get the incantations to summon the NPCs that act as the archives||

[vivid flare]

So are the god keepsakes

[vivid flare]

The prophecy thing will be a sheet of paper, the ribbon on the finger is a resource

[vivid flare]

It's not, it's Hangover

Blitz is the Doom equivalent

[native vault]

I unlocked that

the incantations haven't shown up yet

guess I gotta do a few more runs. only unlcoked it the run before this one so i guess 1 and a half runs ago

[vivid flare]

Might be because you need some ||Tartarus|| materials or a final boss drop

[dark breach]

How do I get the keepsake box between biomes?

[vivid flare]

Incantation that shows up eventually

[pseudo sluice]

Hey! Anyone willing to help me set up my Arcana tree real quick considering the amount of grasp I have/the arcanas I have unlocked? I wonder if I could have a more optimal set up and I'm wasting stats on unnecessary stuff

[idle gorge]

Hey guys is there a way to prevent ||hecate turning you into a sheep|| ?

[pseudo sluice]

dont think so, seems like it's a mandatory event

[shy zephyr]

dash back and forth through the orb

[idle gorge]

...||can you unlock a second dash ?||

[shy zephyr]

no

dash through the orb, keep running for a second, dash through it again, run for a second, repeat

[scenic arrow]

you just dash straight through it, sprint a while, then double back

yeah like pizza said

[idle gorge]

Oh and it disapears ?

[scenic arrow]

you'll need to do this like, 5-7 times

but it'll time out after a while

alternatively you can run it into frinos to despawn it early

[shy zephyr]

i think it lasts like 7 seconds without ||frenzy||?

[scenic arrow]

I wonder if the duration changes with rivals

[native vault]

How come sometimes when fighting a guardian they die as soon as I take down their armor like if it's a combo attack and their armor breaks the end of my combo just one shots them

I'm not complaining I'm always happy when it happens.

[shy zephyr]

those are minibosses
some of them are designed that way, they have like 5000 armor but only 200 hp

[native vault]

Ah ok

[scenic arrow]

there's two type of minibosses, armored and nonarmored

the armored ones are super easy if you have an armor shredding hammer

they tend to be big pains without them though, like Hellifish, Yargonaut, Mega Dracon

[autumn flare]

Hey super silly question, are omega-moves still considered to be the same type as the skill that spawned them? I mean if you do an attack omega move, is it still an attack?

[scenic arrow]

If the boon says "attacks" then both attack and omega benefti
If the boon says "attack" then just the base attack benefits

[shy zephyr]

if a boon description says attack, as in singular, it's just your base attack
if it says attackS, as in plural, it's both base attack and oattack

[autumn flare]

So basically the boons that give like 40% damage or similar to Attack or Special they don't really affect the omega attacks?

[scenic arrow]

boons generally affect both
hammers are more specific

like a hammer that says "your attack deals +100% damage and has more range" would only affect the base attack

[autumn flare]

Hexes are considered idle time? That's strong

[languid badge]

Hi! Getting back into Hades 2 for 1.0. I played back when it first went into early access but any advice for how to deal with the spinning octopi? Found it to be a real run killer

[scenic arrow]

use cast, try to stand far away, burn it down

it is incredibly annoying, though

also armor-shredding hammers will basically instakill him

you could also get lucky. Hellifish is 1 of the 3 minibosses

[languid badge]

Yeah esp the ||mini boss room|| aughh

[languid badge]

What I have to pray for

[scenic arrow]

idk I've been getting a ton of hellifish after 1.0 as well, very annoying

it's been like, 4 hellifish, 1 rat, 1 serpent

[gritty portal]

Hi! Is this the channel where it’s appropriate to ask about how to compel shades? I think I’m hitting the button prompts as instructed but keep getting rejected.

Sorry if this isn’t the channel for that

[scenic arrow]

hold down the button

[languid badge]

Totally is! Just hold the buttons down as requested

[gritty portal]

… I am doing this but keep getting rejected. Is there really no trick to it?

[scenic arrow]

hold down the button until it goes away, then do the next one. Rinse and repeat 3-5 times I think

[latent dock]

You need to lift ur finger from the right click or left one that u dont need

In any case, use fronos and it will do it for u XD

[scenic arrow]

I don't know what it is on controller, but on mouse and keyboard it's just mouse buttons

[gritty portal]

Im on switch 2 and it says it’s zr and zl (the back triggers)

I am somewhat disheartened that the advice you’ve all given me is what I’m doing and it’s not working but alas I guess I just need to keep trying lol

[latent dock]

When u have zr do u get zr and zl then you get zl alone. Do u lift ur finger from zr?

[latent dock]

Did u reach the pets yet?

[idle gorge]

It doens't work for me either

[gritty portal]

Yes

[gritty portal]

Because I’m not sure what this means I’m guessing no. So maybe I just need to progress further in the game?

[latent dock]

Yes read this if u want to know || you get a pet after like 10hs into the games or less , its a frog. Whenever you get those ghosts it does it for you ||

[patent path]

This may have been answered but is there a way to track how many rooms you ran through when back at the Crossroads? Like it was in Hades.

[scenic arrow]

yeah but it's a later unlock

[patent path]

Gotcha, thank you for answering!

[uneven ginkgo]

should i play with auto sprint on or off

[autumn flare]

I don't really see a significant reason to have it off, but if you want finer control and want to stop dashing without having to stop then you can have it off

Snuffed candle gives a small amount of damage to isolated foes, is this multiplicative or is it additive to other damage?

[robust flame]

so
started playing last night
and ofc, banger character designs all around
but there's a couple that, while good, i dont think match what we were told of them in the first game

[polar laurel]

most characters in h2 werent really referenced in h1

[robust flame]

mostly in weapon aspects
like nemesis and Hestia

i know ill see hera down the line
i had that spoiled for me months ago but ive managed to avoid knowing anything else about her

[polar laurel]

nahhh cant diss hestia its a nice ol irish grandma with a gun and a temper :)

[robust flame]

no shes great
i love her design
shes just not a hestia i can picture wielding exagryph in combat

[polar laurel]

i agree, but i also find it deeply humorous

[robust flame]

tbh, if the aspect of hestia had simply looked different I could probably buy it

i also wonder if ill get an explanation as to why erebus looks so different

[vivid flare]

I mean... looking at the other Olympians' aspects, none of them really look like they fit with the gods they are now

Besides Zeus

[prime mica]

I think aspect of ||hera fits her quite well. Very elegant and regal weapon||

[vivid flare]

||The bow made of skulls?||

[prime mica]

Oh im thinking of the hidden aspect oops

[robust flame]

ill see when i meet her

im out rn but I'm turning the game on as soon as i get home

[tough torrent]

So how do you use the plants after you harvest them?

[vivid flare]

They're incantation ingredients, and sometimes needed for weapon unlocks

[scenic arrow]

You don't eat them or anything, just hold on to them for later.

[frozen ember]

whichever feels better for you

[native vault]

how do I recruit more animal companinos? the cat and dog aren't in the crossroads anymore, I saw the cat out in the world during a run but all I could do was pet her. I still has 2 treats I can give and it didn't give me the option

[scenic arrow]

You need to feed your current 3 pets enough I believe, then hecate will let you recruit them

they've tweaked the requirements to unlock Gale and Hecuba, not sure what they are right now

[native vault]

I only have 1

it didn't gimme the option for toula, I still have 2 beast morsels I should be able to feed it to her

toula is the cat

[scenic arrow]

I think you need to see toula twice

[prime mica]

yes generally you need to meet all of the ||familiars twice||

[native vault]

ah ok

[vast oriole]

What would i reroll for what instead in practice? With e.g. Enchantres and Champions?

[scenic arrow]

uh not sure what you mean but generally people take maximum rerolls

[vast oriole]

to be a bit more specific: I beat ||Cerberus|| and then died at my attempt at ||Chronos||. Considering roughly that game stage. What do i rather reroll for what?

[scenic arrow]

uh boon rerolls imo

if you can only pick 1 arcana to equip

[vast oriole]

not sure i understand you correctly. I have the cards for Enchantres and Champions so 2 rerolls. However i have no idea what i would reroll in order to get what outcome.

[slim mica]

does Aphrodite's Special (close-up damage) work with Umbral Flames omega special?

[vivid flare]

It does

Torch Ospecial is just within range for it

[slim mica]

sickk

[vivid flare]

Also gives you a good idea of what the range is

[scenic arrow]

Rerolls are used to change your current selections of options.
Enchantress lets you reroll on doors to change what your room reward would be
Champions lets you reroll your boon options when choosing a boon

I personally use the Champions' effect more

[vast oriole]

ya sure, but what do you for example reroll and what are you hoping to hit?

[scenic arrow]

By the time I'm in zone 4, there's not much I need to do to upgrade my build, usually. Maybe just burn my rerolls to get a specific boon, or reroll a miniboss door

[stuck snow]

doesnt sound like u need to change anything, if ur in that specific position, youll clear within 1-3 more tries, just gotta work for more health or find his tells more

[scenic arrow]

yeah it depends on your run's momentum
If you're coming in with barely any health, you're unlikely to be able to finish the run off

[vast oriole]

okay, so it more like for fixing weakpoints than forcing smth powerful in particular. So more complicated than i comprehend atm 🙂

[vivid flare]

You generally use them early on to try and hit specific core boons that play nice with your Aspect (attack, special, cast, etc), or once you have the requirements for a Duo or Legendary you're trying to get

[scenic arrow]

yeah rerolls are to get your run going, or tweak something you don't like

if you're in a life or death situation, your keepsake choice is more important

[vast oriole]

phew i mean it's actually a really good thing, that's more fluid and not set in stone boring stuff. However that makes it more complicated for someone, who doesn't know what he's doing 😄

[stuck snow]

i usually run through at least 7 rerolls in zone 1, more than half of the time i use em all within 2 boons

[scenic arrow]

Yeah rerolls are basically "Ew, I don't like any of these boons" or "Ew, I don't want that god right now"

[stuck snow]

yup most of the more cohesive builds are really 2 boons and a hammer in a trench coat

rest is just fluff and money farm

[prime mica]

no one can really tell you what to use your rerolls on because the boons you find more valuable than others is entirely within your perception. i personally use most of my rerolls on things like chaos boons and searching for specific build defining boons like arctic circle, born gain (magick regen in general really), winner's circle, and lightning lance/fireball cast

[stuck snow]

bad chaos lineup with no rolls is next level depressing

[vast oriole]

sounds very reasonable and like actual good game design

[prime mica]

i agree!

[vivid flare]

"This amuses me greatly"
- Chaos, probably

[vast oriole]

There are enough examples of games/designs, where you can just always force the good stuff, if you know what i mean.

[scenic arrow]

that's basically true with hades 2 as well

god keepsakes + rerolls can basically guarantee you a winning run for most fear levels

[prime mica]

lol well the cost of the reroll goes up by 1 every time you do it in the same selection so sometimes you just have to cut your losses, take a boon you dont REALLY want, and hope you find the olympian again later

[tight mantle]

How do i select what tool to bring, or does it automatically just bring all of them?

[scenic arrow]

you always have them

[vivid flare]

It automatically brings them all, that got cut real early from Early Access

I don't think it even made it to the first content update

[scenic arrow]

its replacement is now familiars

[vast oriole]

okay, but at least you have to understand the system and act accordingly instead of using an one size fits all template. At least that's what my impression is listening.

[stuck snow]

i lowk liked it in early access bc i could just swap between them to get 2x of specific rss and not others

[scenic arrow]

yeah knowing the niches of the main gods helps a lot

[prime mica]

it always felt bad that the other resources spawned still and you just had to walk by it sadly

[scenic arrow]

every aspect has 2-3 gods that it prefers

[vast oriole]

There aren't really many proper sources to kind of kickstart your all around build knowledge, right? Almost all content except from that Haelian guy, I'm watching right now, seems like low level cash grab content.

[prime mica]

generally you can figure out what boons you want with what weapon from attack rate alone. stuff like the axe doesnt really work with scorch because the attack speed is so low but with daggers you build up tons of stacks, etc

[scenic arrow]

h2crossroads.pages.dev has recorded builds of high level clears

[vivid flare]

And then there's clang builds, which just work

[scenic arrow]

you could also read the wiki (which is wikia unfortunately)

[vivid flare]

Though ||mom|| skull gets a shoutout for potentially giving you free poms so your clangs don't take a whole region to start popping off

[scenic arrow]

as for youtubers, I think the main ones for Hades are Haelian and Boated

[prime mica]

spoiler tags

[vivid flare]

There

[vast oriole]

I mean i don't even want to blindly follow a certain meta build. I wanted to understand the concept, so i can come up with my own (probably horrible) builds.

[scenic arrow]

in that case just read the boons that each god gives and you can pick up their gists pretty quick

Every god has an attack, special, cast, mana gain, and dash boon
If you figure out what those do, you can usually throw something good together

part of the roguelike experience is either learning through online sources, or learning through experience (and dying a lot)

[prime mica]

you'll get there just from playing really, taking a shot on a brain child build and seeing if it works in execution or not

[vast oriole]

I mean there are probably nuances like: Take a certain element/boon not as attack, but rather as Cast, so you can then slot boon xyz into attack. That kinda thing.

[scenic arrow]

yeah definitely

[prime mica]

demeter lol

[scenic arrow]

it really is "pick up the good gods in the good slots" and you learn what is good either through intuition or experience or study

[prime mica]

her cast feels 100x better than attack/special

[scenic arrow]

yup
I only took her attack for a ||Supay|| run because it's not like I really care about it

[prime mica]

that sounds sick actually

[vast oriole]

that's like one advice that goes in my diary. Demeter = Cast.

[scenic arrow]

I mean I could sum up the gists of each god's main boons if you really really wanted lol

[prime mica]

yea but its not like youre bricked if you have demeter attack/special, its still a good chunk of bonus damage

[vast oriole]

I find Blitz on attack decent. While it's not very helpful on small enemies it chunks anything with a bigger hp pool.

Scorch on cast seems also good

[scenic arrow]

blitz is more of a combo thing

apply blitz with something, then pop it with another thing that deals more damage

[prime mica]

generally i use blitz on whichever button i use less, which is special in most weapons

[scenic arrow]

honestly it might be effective to just spam your blitz button if you have AQ though, idk

[ashen halo]

hiii, i just reached a ||reciprocal bond with nemesis||, what does that mean? :o

[vast oriole]

you probably get a lot of mileage out of that Origiantion card anyways if you pick the right elements.

[scenic arrow]

oh yeah every god has a debuff
almost all of them are really good
collect them all

[prime mica]

origination is core in like every single arcana build. probably the best card in the game

its free to activate too if youre building right, every god has a curse

[scenic arrow]

the only curse I don't really care for is hephs, I think

[vast oriole]

That's another thing I'm trying to figure out atm. Like what's an easy to apply 1st curse that lingers long enough to proc it with a 2nd one. Stuff that's like 2nd nature to anyone with a half decent understanding 😄

[prime mica]

hephs is boring and it doesnt have good uptime unless youre +20 or something silly

[thick halo]

I like how the Olympian gods drop some lore from time to time

[scenic arrow]

most of the curses last like at least 4 seconds so it's pretty easy to alternate stacking them I think

stuff like aphro gain or dash makes it really easy to passively get a curse

[prime mica]

most curses have permanent uptime pretty much

[vast oriole]

What's like a basic/good combo to constantly make use of Origination?

[prime mica]

even stuff like blitz is permanent you just have to reapply it every time

[scenic arrow]

idk they're legimately basically all good

[prime mica]

you can do it with just demeter boons alone. freeze and chilled (from frost boons and gust boons) are seperate

[scenic arrow]

scorch + froth
freeze + scorch
blitz + wounds
daze + weak + everything else

[prime mica]

stuff like scorch will always be 1

[scenic arrow]

Hitch + anything

literally just take as many curses as possible, it basically can't fail

(as long as you have a beefy enough main damage option)

[vast oriole]

weak and daze also count. okay wouldn't have thought so tbh.

[prime mica]

it all depends on your weapon too, stuff like staff probably isnt making the best use of weak

or daze

[scenic arrow]

demeter has 2, gust and freeze

[vast oriole]

so far i really like the daggers most. The Dash Strike into melee spam is a ton of dps with like an "evasive gap close".

[prime mica]

you should look for backstab apollo boons then

[vast oriole]

and since the special hits twice it's weirdly more reliable ranged dps than like the staff. At least it seems to me.

[vast oriole]

kind of specifc but in that context probably really relevant. How big or generous is the backstab angle? Super generous in like 180 degrees or more restrictive that you really have to be behind the thing?

[prime mica]

its like 180 degrees behind them

sometimes i backstab ||scylla|| just from standing to the side of her

[vast oriole]

that's the shell lady from the punk band?

[prime mica]

yea

she ||blocks all damage behind her so its quite funny to be able to backstab her||

[thick halo]

How... How am I supposed to evade Hecate's ball that turns me into a sheep

The autoaim of that thing is insane

[prime mica]

dash through it, going the opposite direction, sprint for a second, then do it again. 7 times

[vast oriole]

while i consider myself not that horrible in these kind of games. I still tend to lose quite a bit of hp when I'm passing through that encounter to like a point way further in progression.

[thick halo]

alright

I beat her anyways but I'm at 13 hp now LMAO

[prime mica]

||lol i was the same way at first, it was just too chaotic but i got used to it and now i think its one of the easiest fights||

||it helps a lot to kill the drummer first||

[quick hearth]

I have an issue where the game gets really slow after a while, I start the game at a solid 144 fps (vsync on) but after the time for a run or so, the game has slowed down to below 60 fps and continues to slow down the more I play. If I quit out and come back the problem is fixed. Has anyone else come across this and fixed it? or should I just wait for a patch or something?

[prime mica]

this sounds like a memory leak but i havent seen anyone experiencing memory leaks with h2 so idk

[vast oriole]

What weapon do you prefer the most?

[thick halo]

fire + water is such an op combo

[scenic arrow]

I do notice that this game absolutely hates to be alt-tabbed on mac

[quick hearth]

it does but I haven't heard about it from my searching about this either so I wasn't sure if there was a setting or something which I had used which is causing this and most people don't have this issue like me. I had the EA build installed before and just patched it, do you think verifying/reinstalling would help?

[prime mica]

late (?) game weapon spoilers// ||the black coat||

[scenic arrow]

I've found myself gravitating towards the hiddens a lot

[vast oriole]

okay, i have no idea what that is or how you would hit smth with it, but regarding the starting weapons?

[scenic arrow]

(are they powercreep? idk)

[prime mica]

i like them all a lot, i guess my favorites out of the base ones would be staff and daggers

[vast oriole]

daggers>staff so far for me. I really dislike the double torch/wand attack set.

[scenic arrow]

yeah the wands take some getting used to, and I'm not the biggest fan

[prime mica]

i liked them a lot more before they got reworked

[vast oriole]

the only thing i like about the wands is the omega attack with the swirly thing around you.

[scenic arrow]

it kinda feels like they lack crowd control without some help

[modern dust]

Hi, can someone explain the difference in combat style between H1 and H2? Also how much more content is H2 estimated to have over H1? Do I need to finish H1 totally before playing H2? I think I won 10+ times on H1 but never actually got the final ending.

I heard H1 is meant to be more fast paced and spammy especially with dashes but not too sure about H2.

[vast oriole]

i mean you can give it a shot and refund it.

[scenic arrow]

if you rolled credits the first time on Hades 1, you're fine
Hades 2 is about twice as big? Probably?

[vast oriole]

but now that i think about it. That's not what you are asking and a dumb statement.

[modern dust]

Oh I see okay

[prime mica]

combat is slower paced, you have 1 dash instead of 2+, you have a lot more crowd control options which enables methodical play but there are still weapons that are super fast and can obliterate a room in 3 seconds. there are a lot more overall mechanics at play than h1 and allows you to be a lot more versatile in your builds. as a huge fan of both games i prefer 2 by a lot

hades 2 has more than twice as much content gameplay and story wise

the true ending epilogue should probably just be watched on youtube but its not necesarry information, if you rolled the credits youre fine.

[scenic arrow]

It's kind of hard to describe Hades 2's differences in combat in a succinct way, there's a lot of changes

[sick isle]

H2's combat style is a little more tactical, but there are plenty of fast aggressive options

[modern dust]

Oh nice, thanks for the detailed info.

[vast oriole]

here is apparently all the info that you need:
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naJUEqdyckc||

[thick halo]

Okay I think I picked up the best upgrades or something bc I beat Hecate on my 2nd try and ||Sirens|| on my first

I wonder how far I'll go

[prime mica]

grats! stay strong in the rest of your run 🙏

[thick halo]

68 health rn

[scenic arrow]

spoiler tag that pls

like actually spoiler tag it lol

[thick halo]

3rd region LETS GOOO

[indigo quest]

What is the most efficient and value way to spend bones for resources?

[scenic arrow]

not a bad idea at the start to buy some psyche to get your arcana up
otherwise I'd probably hoard it until more stuff unlocks

[prime mica]

Basically only getting the things from the limited selection

[scenic arrow]

you need bones for relationship items, along with higher weapon and arcana upgrade materials

[thick halo]

am I in Hades yet btw?

[scenic arrow]

no you're in Hades II

[vast oriole]

I might be totally off base, but it seems to me like boons that absolutely carry are the underworld ones that give a chunk or reoccurring hp or the ones that constantly refresh armor.

[scenic arrow]

yeah those can be really good

if you have enough arcana and play well enough though, you have enough regen that you don't really need health boons

the armor boons are nice, except the god you have to get them from has somewhat weak primary boons

[prime mica]

Healing stuff is basically the bread and butter to beginner roguelike players while they learn the game

It can be applied outside of hades

[scenic arrow]

Demeter's healing boon is ESPECIALLY potent

[prime mica]

Personally I find freeze to be more of a carry

[vast oriole]

which one is that and what's the effect. Think i must have overlooked that.

[prime mica]

Demeter cast basically let's you clear every room without taking dmg

[scenic arrow]

you heal like 10% hp every time you collect resources during a run

[prime mica]

I only ever find this in the last 2 biomes and I just dont pick it out of spite

[scenic arrow]

flowers, seeds, mining, fish, ghost recruitment, all gives big chunks of healing

[vast oriole]

ah yeah, but that's somehow linked to the amount of ressources and since i have no clue i was thinking like "hm, dunno how it works but 10% of like 10 bones or 2 Ashes doesn't sound that great".

[prime mica]

Yea its % hp

[scenic arrow]

no you just get 10% of your max hp back

and that's at minimum rarity

[vast oriole]

obviously i can't even read the tooltip.

[prime mica]

Gotta get every boon at least once anyway might as well try everything

[scenic arrow]

hestia used to have a really funny boon where you gained max mana depending on how much ash you picked up, and it was like 5-1

[prime mica]

This was low key sick for my torch builds

[scenic arrow]

pick up 10 ash? 50 mana
Pick up 20 ash? 100 mana

[vast oriole]

can you like make a very rough assumption that Duo Boons are generally strong/er?

[prime mica]

it all depends really

some duo boons just wont do anything for your build some of them are bad some of them are great but the legendaries are better

generally compared to regular boons theyre always gonna be better unless its affecting something youre not using much

[vast oriole]

that's what i was getting at.

[upbeat sedge]

That boon was broken but hestia sucked so I never got to see it

[scenic arrow]

idk duos are kind of a mixed bag sometimes

like Ransom, or Freezer

[prime mica]

freezer burn is like one of the best duos in the game

[scenic arrow]

idk it makes them immune to taking on scorch for a second or two, doesn't it?

[upbeat sedge]

Some duos are really strong and others are kind of meh, but I still typically click the duo if its my first time

[scenic arrow]

also I'm basically always trying to apply freeze, not save it to detonate

[upbeat sedge]

Freezer burn imo if you are overcapping scorch

[prime mica]

idk its just a massive flat dmg increase for me, always popping for thousands of dmg

[upbeat sedge]

If scorch isn't overcapping based on your attack speed the duo isn't necessary

[prime mica]

i disagree the worst thing about scorch is it gets cleansed by enemies becoming untargetable

and being able to detonate your scorch immediately fixes it

[scenic arrow]

it means I have to go for a period where they're not frozen or on cooldown for freeze

[vast oriole]

While the Mana Regen stuff is very potent across the board, the one where you have to be in vicinity of enemies is probably the least reliable one?

[prime mica]

theres a natural cd of freeze though, you build scorch in that window

[prime mica]

theres worse ones. that one doesnt give you a huge amount of overall magick but its consistent. it also perma applies a curse to nearby enemies

[vast oriole]

oh true, i didn't factor in the curse application.

[upbeat sedge]

glamour gain is great on low magick builds

[prime mica]

i take it when im running a build that doesnt use a ton of magick

[upbeat sedge]

just free perma weak

its also notably a curse on your gain, which is quite rare

which lets you enable origination without needing to take curse somewhere else

[vast oriole]

is like 6 month old content for the game still worth anything?

from e.g. yt.

[scenic arrow]

anything from around June is the most recent patch, so basically current

[prime mica]

probably not, a lot of things got changed

i mean i guess it depends on the content and if it involves boons that were reworked or removed

or weapons that were reworked

[vast oriole]

did the boons change a lot? I'm watching smth about those and their general usefulness.

[scenic arrow]

the biggest changes were Hestia and Poseidon last patch. everyone else is basically the same?

[vast oriole]

before I beat around the bush. Is smth like this info still somewhat reliable? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=094sByZAp9I&list=PLmj6-vxquxwRtIdOksLfwxZ84j2JI222F&index=6

[upbeat sedge]

hestia and poseidon were buffed a lot, they're still usually for fast hitting weapons only but they feel a lot better to pick now

ares got nerfed iirc

in general I would say that all gods are good now

there's really nobody that is just completely terrible

[vast oriole]

Is there something in game where you can match the symbols to the gods? ye, i mean a lot of them are logical, but if you start out it's kinda hard to connect ALL of them 🙂

[upbeat sedge]

In general I would classify gods into these categories

Core Damage

Big/Slow Hits: Hera, Aphro, Apollo
Small/Fast Hits: Hestia, Poseidon
Broken: Zeus

Support
Defensive Support: Heph, Demeter
Offensive Support: Ares

you usually want at least one core damage god

once you feel like your damage is looking good you start picking up support

notably heph and demeter are both really good at ensuring you dont die

[split silo]

what do you mean by symbols? as in their boons?

you can use the obvious symbols, and use colors for the rest

[vast oriole]

now that's like a precise knowledge drop

[split silo]

for ex. if you see yellow but it’s not a sun (apollo) or a lightning bolt(zeus), it’s hephaestus

[upbeat sedge]

i mean it makes sense right? you need to deal damage

[split silo]

they were being sarcastic lol( i think?)

also i love how Zeus is in his own category

[vast oriole]

it does. Connecting specific gods to good damage boosts or support utility is simply super condensed info I'm trying to wrap my head around 🙂

[upbeat sedge]

Zeus is kind of weird, you usually still want another god to pair with him to help trigger blitz
(for example on daggers you put blitz on special and a different core damage boon on primary)

But also his boons do SO much damage when enabled that it doesn't feel right to put him as a support god, he usually carries a lot of your dps

[split silo]

oh no i fully agree with you, investing into zeus yields very good rewards

blitz is insane damage, add double strike and that alone could top your damage meter

static shock is amazing room clear/ ||wards stripping for vow of wards||

storm ring is the best single target dps cast

ntm blitz is a curse effect for orig

[vast oriole]

so instead of looking up anymore stuff I'll just screenshot this 😄

thanks mate

[upbeat sedge]

when you're new try and experiment and see what works/what you like

[vast oriole]

Seems like the part with "Core damage" is imported from like a wiki or smth. What's the source for that?

[upbeat sedge]

oh thats just what I typically call it

[split silo]

once you see more of the game and experiment yourself , i would highly suggest you read Lee Reamsnyder’s build guide, it covers builds for all weapons, alongside synergies and what works with what, and everything in between.

But it contains a lot of spoilers so it might be too early for you to read it now

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide

[upbeat sedge]

the game has specific boons called "core boons" that it tries really hard to offer you (attack, special, cast, dash, gain)
usually one of these core boons will be what you're mostly doing for the weapon and that boon is way more important than anything else for your dps

for example if you are playing axe, taking a good core boon for your attack is probably the most important thing you can do

[split silo]

i would say at minimum reach the end boss for both sides, potentially a few times before getting to read this

[upbeat sedge]

so on axe I would look for hera, aphro, or apollo on attack

because those gods synergize with slow, big hits like the axe has

[vast oriole]

What's the source for the "core damage" and "support" categorization?

[upbeat sedge]

just what the gods are good at

hera, aphro, and apollo offer percentage damage increases, so they're good for weapons that have big numbers

hestia and poseidon offer flat damage increases that dont depend on how strong the hits are

[vast oriole]

i mean where it's copied from 🙂
obviously formated like from an article or wiki.

[upbeat sedge]

so they're best on weapons that hit fast but dont do a lot of damage per hit

[split silo]

and for the other end, demeter does increase your damage but not by a lot, but she has the freeze effect, which is why it’s on the support side

[upbeat sedge]

oh I just typed it out

[vast oriole]

ah i see 😄

[upbeat sedge]

demeter and heph both can be used as your damage god but their damage is lower than the others, which is why i usually try not to take them as my main damage source

but they're the two best supporting gods because not dying is good

[split silo]

technicalllyyy heph can be your main damage but it requires a lot of investment

and while a heph blast build is very fun, i wouldn’t say it’s beginner friendly just due to how many pieces it needs to come together

[upbeat sedge]

tbh as a new player, just pick a weapon, figure out whether you want to use attack or special more, and then pick a core boon that works with that button

from there you can experiment however you like

[sleek idol]

What does the little finger pointing icon mean above doors? 👆

[split silo]

that’s a great point

[upbeat sedge]

it means that door contains a crafting ingredient you still need

[snow sparrow]

it means you will find whatever you marked as forget me not there

[split silo]

it means you’ve put a forget me not on an item that requires a resource that can be found in that room

[vast oriole]

yeah, I have a rather unhealthy PoE background and am familiar with basic concepts like flat procs are probably good with high AS. But I still rather approach game from a "I don't know nothing" perspective and understand how things work in its totality (if that's even a word) 🙂

the dash/run boons are the one I valued very low so far. Probably missing out on interactions.

[snow sparrow]

Poseidon rush especially in the early regions is pretty fantastic at room clearing... heph rush if you can level it up to get the cooldown low is also really good throughout.

[thick halo]

Do we know Mel's age?

[sleek idol]

In the context of “your strikes emit chain-lightning”, what constitutes a “strike”?

[hollow moss]

I've only played a couple of Nights and am having a good time. Just wondering though, should I look up and find out what builds are strong/weak? Or should I just stay completely blind and do whatever

[snow sparrow]

strike is either attack or special, but not a cast

[thick halo]

I'm playing blind and it's so much better this way

[sleek idol]

Does it count if the attack is from the ||skull weapon||?

[snow sparrow]

I would assume yes

[frozen ember]

No and tier lists are kind of bad in this game anyway because it's about synergies and there aren't really any bad gods.

but that won't stop content creators from making them 😩

every single god is part of the bis build for at least one aspect

[scenic arrow]

which one is heph bis for

[vast oriole]

I'm not here to defend the man or anything. But right at the beginning he states that the "tier list" thing is kind of a (click bait) joke and rather a discussion about synergies 🙂

[frozen ember]

hidden axe

[wanton plover]

just beat the final boss in tartarus for the first time, im still early at the game but like how many times do i need to beat him to finish the story?

havent even beat the 2nd boss in the surface yet XD

[scenic arrow]

6? I think?

[frozen ember]

That wasn't a shot at Haelian, he's not the only one making them and I can't really blame him given the views they get.

But that they're being made doesn't mean that they're useful.

[wanton plover]

do bosses also become somewhat different like in hades 1?

[scenic arrow]

no, not unless you turn on Extreme Measures(called vow of rivals in H2)

[frozen ember]

there's some variations in moveset that show up on a couple of them

[wanton plover]

i also noticed when i went to the 2nd boss in the surface, it was first the water one, but when i returned again, it became the "flying one with a gun". is that normal?

[scenic arrow]

I think there's only 1 boss like that but correct me if I'm wrong

[frozen ember]

||the first one is a miniboss the second one is the actual boss||

[wanton plover]

ah okk, thought it was thew final one

[frozen ember]

||Featured artist for sirens, poly's weird sheep mechanic and Hecate's chosen hex||

[wanton plover]

i still have a lot to go right? i dont want this game to end XD

[frozen ember]

There's a lot of game, don't worry about that part.

[upbeat sedge]

i usually prioritize dash boons that apply status because the origination arcana is so strong

also apollo dash is noteworthy because moving fast is just good in general

[scenic arrow]

idk if ||poly||'s count but I forgot about|| sirens||

[scenic arrow]

dash is kinda filler
I usually go for demeter, apollo, aphro, or even hera

[vast oriole]

I also thought that the best use of sprint boon is also applying a curse for combos.

[upbeat sedge]

hera dash was buffed this patch iirc, it certainly feels like it doesn't have any issues proccing anymore

[scenic arrow]

oh really? gonna need to give it a shot

if it feels as good as apollo it's insta S tier

[signal bolt]

hera dash got increased radius kinda, would be nice if it visually matched

[upbeat sedge]

yeah the patch notes say "now affects surrounding foes instead of only on contact" and the one time i picked it, it felt like i didn't have any issues applying it when I wanted to

[split silo]

wait is it ||nergal|| blast build? because ||surely it’s not the armor that you’re after with nergal?||

[frozen ember]

||Heph gain is the single most important boon in the game for hidden axe||

[split silo]

ohhhh i forgot all about ||his gain||

[vast oriole]

What does the term "pom" stand for?

[scenic arrow]

pomander of power, or a pomegranate

[vast oriole]

ah, those things that simply 1up one of your existing boons?

[upbeat sedge]

yes

most boons have diminishing returns for poms so usually only the first few poms are good

there are notable exceptions though where poms remain good even past the first few

[vast oriole]

can you influence which slot gets the +1 ?

[upbeat sedge]

also early poms are typically better than later poms because pomming an important boon is much more impactful than pomming a random bad boon

[upbeat sedge]

it picks 3 random boons, which is why early poms are better

you have less boons for it to pick from so there are higher odds the pom can land on your main boon that you are using

[vast oriole]

so it would be ideal to have a good Core dmg boon early and increase your chances of stacking these pom on it?

[upbeat sedge]

yes

[scenic arrow]

eh just 2 poms is fine

if you spread them out you tend to get good results

[upbeat sedge]

well yeah, remember poms have diminishing returns so typically you find your core damage boon, see if you can get 1-2 poms on it and then deprioritize later poms

[vast oriole]

and in practice end up with a lvl 4 dash and lvl 1 attack boon 😄

[upbeat sedge]

notably heph attack/special boons have compounding returns with poms instead of diminishing returns

so if you want him to be your main damage you really need poms

but also that build is kind of hard to get/resource intensive

which is why heph is more of a support god rather than a damage god

[scenic arrow]

yeah heph is all or nothing basically

either you have his attack/special pommed at like +5 or something, or you don't take them at all

[vast oriole]

All of the face buttons (Attack, Special, Cast, Dash) need to be pressed in quick combination, and you have just one thumb. I assume.
The guide is simply assuming my anatomy!

but it got me thinking...
Is there even anything bound to the trigger buttons?

[upbeat sedge]

i bind cast to trigger

some people put dash on trigger as well

[vast oriole]

he says some people bind to bumpers. I find triggers more comfortably to press. Are there even ANY actions on those buttons?

[upbeat sedge]

oh sorry

I use triggers yeah, but they're mostly interchangeable to me

[vast oriole]

iirc the triggers/bumpers are only for the mini game with the ghost shades and salute/gift npc's, no?

[upbeat sedge]

uh, you use hex and interact during combat as well

[vast oriole]

ah yeah hex

[upbeat sedge]

which I believe are bound to triggers/bumpers by default

[vast oriole]

i basically play almost all games with mkb. can you usually set keys on like hold RT and then press X?

[upbeat sedge]

im not sure what you're asking

[vast oriole]

like let's say interact is RT+X and Hex is RT+A or smth like that.

[upbeat sedge]

no

one button = one action in this game

can't have combo binds

[vast oriole]

god bless 100 keyboard and mouse buttons 😄

I didn't even try the game on mkb, but it's most likely not as good being 100% tailored for controller.

[upbeat sedge]

you can play with either mkb or controller

some people like mkb more and some people like controller more but it's mostly preference

[vast oriole]

from the min/max perspective: in games where you can still control directions with the mouse while moving mkb is mostly the more effective "tool". If you can't you are pidgeonholed into 45 degree angles with WASD, where the controller's stick is more nuanced.

but yeah... more like relevant if someone plays like a competitive multiplayer.

[thick halo]

I just got one shot by ||Cerberus|| 💀

he did a giant AoE attack while the fat enemy did the traction attack

Literally didn't have a chance

[vast oriole]

git gud, don't get combo'd 😉

everyone knows you have to crowd control the adds first. That's like Deadmines 101

[red ivy]

**hey need some help **

so I can't find this anywhere on the internet to corroborate - but someone on this discord a few months ago told me that ||Excellence ||has a very misleading tooltip
that what 30% means to Rare, is very different from what it means to Legendary.

To rare it means increase your chance for a common to instead be a rare additively by 30%

To legendary it means you increase your chance to find a legendary (which is by default 10%) *multiplicatively *- so it only increases it by 3%

is this true?
the fandom wiki says that they both work additively

[signal bolt]

yup

fandom's wrong then

[red ivy]

It's upsetting to me that this information is available to basically no one who searches for it, and the tooltip is so deeply misleading

[vast oriole]

fandom is like poorly managed trash wiki for every game and sadly often generates more clicks than the actual game wikis.

which culminates in them just copy pasting tool tips

[signal bolt]

ye, not like legendaries are worth getting anyway

[red ivy]

but there's no alternative either - like fextralife for hades is even worse as it currently is

[vast oriole]

i think fandom even belongs to the fextralife "group"

[vast oriole]

but honestly kinda weird that a game that sold millions of copies in Early Access and will now sell 100x the amount again, doesn't have it's own dedicated wiki.

[thick halo]

I dont like Nemesis that much rn
She's so confrontative for no good reason

[vast oriole]

can you choose to NOT take any of the boon choices/options?

[scenic arrow]

nope. Avoid gods that you're cleared out on of good boons

[vast oriole]

And I honstly thought for no reason that your Arcana cards have to be connected. No clue why...

[vivid flare]

I mean, there is a 0-cost card that'll boost your chances for Epics if you have a full line of cards

[karmic swift]

just got to ||chronos|| for the first time, ||even got to phase 2 first try!||

[split silo]

nice! ||phase 2 can be quite difficult, especially as he has new and tougher moves||

[karmic swift]

yeah i died pretty fast, although i was already low so

definitelt getting farther way faster than i did in the first game lol

honestly i like more of the weapons in this game than hades 1 so far

i only liked like 1 weapon in the first game but i like 3 so far

[rose carbon]

Hey guys, I see a lot of characters have their second heart with a scroll in it in the relationship notebook and was wondering if anyone knew what it meant. I'm guessing it has to do with prophecies like how in hades 1 you had to level it up a fair bit to do their prophecy?

[polar laurel]

It helps that each weapon has an omega attack and special as well in h2, greatly increasing strategic options

[vast oriole]

If you have smth that would like give you Hp based on your Mana pool. It doesn't matter if you have a lot of reserved/primed Mana, right?

the +hp are calculated by free + primed Mana.

[red sphinx]

Hey everyone, is there a way to see a summary of the previous failed run? I had a crazy build I would like to see what I had

[rotund merlin]

What is the best way to use charon’s order ticket? Psyche or fate fabrics? Or hold on to it for now?

[vivid flare]

It's the prophecy for getting all their Boons/blessings, yes

[vivid flare]

Any of them, personally been ordering Psyche by the boatload so I can get to 30 Grasp

[indigo quest]

Does Luckier Tooth cancel out Strength Arcana?

[vivid flare]

It's a Death Defiance, so yes

[rose carbon]

Right, I figured those prophecies would pop up after getting enough of someone's boon. So there's still prophecies used to deepen bonds like hades 1?

[vivid flare]

Yeah, should be

[wanton plover]

hi do i like have to finish the tartarus quests before proceeding to the surface quests? like do i have to beat the final boss *6 times(?) before I should go to surface?

or do you just go alternate

[polar laurel]

You can do it however you want

[stuck snow]

howd u fight him and smth else same time, what?

[vivid flare]

Adds

IIRC, if you take too long, he just shows back up anyways

[stuck snow]

fought him 150 times never knew this ty

[shy zephyr]

spoiler mark the boss name

[obtuse prairie]

Does the phase of the moon impact anything?

[stuck snow]

quality of the moon's gift depends on the immediate phase icon, the next moon pickup giving more points accordingly, if u mean real moon phases for mel then it changes flower rates for pickup, its documented in her bio/bag somewhere

[vivid flare]

It might be what determines the Path of Stars layout for the night?

[vivid flare]

No, I think they mean the actual phase of the moon, you can see it in the training grounds if you go to the lookout point

[obtuse prairie]

And in your inventory bag, yeah.

And yeah, that's what I was asking. Not the || Selene || element. Unless they're related.

[stuck snow]

yeah but the moon phase does 2 things that arent really related in any other way so thats why i split them

[obtuse prairie]

Ok so it doesn't make you weaker or stronger inherently. Just if the one boon type shows up.

Unrelated - can you dodge || Hecate's polymorph attack || or otherwise are there any tips for it besides dodge like hell?

[stuck snow]

yes with one specific pet, or you can not get touched for approx 12ish seconds?

idk the exact time, its 5 dodges

[vivid flare]

You can, and dash through rather than away

[obtuse prairie]

Word. Thank you.

[vivid flare]

7, actually

[stuck snow]

changed?

[vivid flare]

Nah, always been 7

Might be 5 on Frenzy

[stuck snow]

maybe we dodge sprint differently

ive always done 5 on normal, idk about the harder mode tho always get hit

[hot cove]

Who do i prioritize giving nectars to?

[vivid flare]

2 to every boon/blessing-giver for their keepsake and prophecy, 1 to everyone else for keepsakes

You're gonna need a lot of Nectar

[jagged pawn]

Hey all any tips on getting Silver? I've done a butt load of runs and really want to try the other weapons but i'm just never finding any chunks of silver 🙁

[vivid flare]

Recruit birb

[wet stratus]

Any tips for revaal? Weapon feels weird to use

[vivid flare]

Use Special as a second dash, it hoovers up the shells from a massive distance away

[fringe holly]

Do we actually get to see inside Circe’s house eventually?

[hot cove]

who's keepsake should i rush for early?

[karmic swift]

anyone know some gods that work well with hestia

[scenic arrow]

zeus, but also basically anyone

[karmic swift]

id assume the oneof the god you like playing the most

[karmic swift]

are there any specific duos that really help? usually i go for hestia attack on ||flames||

[scenic arrow]

aphro or demeter

[karmic swift]

alr

im trying to get done the incantation that makes me take less dmg on the ||surface|| but ||chaos' plant takes foreverrr to find||

[scenic arrow]

yeah you need to talk to ||chaos|| and they'll give seeds to you

[karmic swift]

so just keep taking ||chaos gates until i eventually get the right dialogue?||

[vivid flare]

Demeter

[scenic arrow]

yup

[karmic swift]

ill have to remember to pick up her keepsake next time then

knowing me it'll be a bit i always forget

[vivid flare]

Dem/Hestia Duo makes Freeze effects detonate Scorch (though it will make you wait for Freeze's stun to fall off before you can start re-applying). It's very fun if you can get a lot of Scorch up and rolling

[scenic arrow]

doesn't it make you have to resist the urge to apply freeze though

[thorny valley]

are duos boon extremely rare? after 20 runs I havent seen any

[scenic arrow]

they have specific boon requirements

[karmic swift]

i assume its best to take hestia attack for that combo but what would i put demeter on

[scenic arrow]

cast

[vivid flare]

Somewhat, yeah

[karmic swift]

most need specific boons from 2 gods, not just any 2

[scenic arrow]

I wanna have 100% furies and freeze uptime 🙁

[thorny valley]

I see

[karmic swift]

now that i think about it

[scenic arrow]

you can look them up. There's a later unlock that tells you the duo requirements

[karmic swift]

sounds a lot like ME in hades 1

[vivid flare]

Some of them can be extremely precise, like how Heph/Zeus requires chain lightning, or Apollo/Zeus requires Prominence Flare

[scenic arrow]

and some of them won't stop showing up like zeus/hera

[vivid flare]

Wait a second, how the ever-loving hell did Glorious Disaster survive to 1.0

[vivid flare]

Yes, but Ransoms are funny

[thorny valley]

I heard you can set your max % if you activate the "god mode" option where is that?

[scenic arrow]

go away I don't wanna lose hitch/blitz

[scenic arrow]

you can't adjust it, it just gets stronger the more you die

[signal bolt]

one of the devs used glorious disaster with medea

[scenic arrow]

oh wait no you can adjust it I'm stupid

[thorny valley]

ok so just the same as first game, you get like 2% resist until like 50%

[scenic arrow]

80%
you can nerf it down to 20%

[thorny valley]

can you choose that max %?

[scenic arrow]

I think so, yeah

at least the wiki says so and I can't think of a reason that they'd lie lol

[thorny valley]

where is the setting for it

I would guess choosing the tarot cards is replacing the mirror meta upgrade from the first game

[scenic arrow]

yup

[thorny valley]

[scenic arrow]

cauldron = renovation table
arcana = mirror
ash = keys
psyche = darkness
nightmare = titan blood

[thorny valley]

[cosmic burrow]

How many locations are there between the Fields and the next guardian? I’ve got a chaos portal but don’t know if there are at least 4 or 5 encounters to trigger any benefit

[scenic arrow]

I don't think chaos affects how many encounters you get in fields

oh encounters are counted for each item fight you do, I believe

[cosmic burrow]

*after the fields. The well of Charon gave me a chaos portal that triggered

[scenic arrow]

minimum 5 encounters, up to 8-9 I think

[cosmic burrow]

Ok, so I can safely go for chaos and trigger some effect

Otherwise, my other choice is the npc room. Which is tempting to go for….

[scenic arrow]

the area is unique because every side room you take will make future rooms harder and more packed with enemies

if you never take side rooms you just breeze through

[cosmic burrow]

Is it worth taking the NPC room? For story reasons? Or keepsake?

[scenic arrow]

yes, absolutely

they offer pretty good stuff, and the story is fun

(technically though, they're a net time loss, so speedrunners avoid the npc room)

[karmic swift]

i get so unlucky there i rarely get side rooms

other than my first run there i've only ever gotten such a small amount

[scenic arrow]

I feel like they've tweaked the odds lol

but I also heard that last patch when I didn't notice anything so maybe it's just me

[karmic swift]

speaking of i just got there again lets see if i get lucky

[scenic arrow]

it is really fun to max it out though

you get a ton of rewards and the enemy rooms are CRAMMED full of enemies

[karmic swift]

i usually take side rooms unless its a boss

im not good at the bosses here

[scenic arrow]

the bosses are pretty easy, especially if you have anti-armor

[karmic swift]

last time i took a boss i died to the bag one bc i had no idea how to counter the laser and only one pillar wasnt destroyer

[scenic arrow]

just run behind it

[karmic swift]

indid

i did*

got 4 side rooms

going into ||chronos|| with 126/264 and 1 DD i think im cooked

down to like 20hp but still have my DD i might not be cooked

||phase 2 time||

rippp

i was so close like 25% hp left

[scenic arrow]

I wonder what it's like to play with DD's right now

[karmic swift]

if i could just enter the boss with more hp i can probably win

[cosmic burrow]

Are fish only meant to be sold?

[scenic arrow]

yup

[hearty jacinth]

question: how do you tell how many ❤️s you have with someone? In H1 there was the codex with a heart meter but the BoS Mel carries seems to not have something similar?

[scenic arrow]

press c for your codx

[gentle patrol]

Hi all, I've got to the 2nd area underground a few times, but im getting rinsed by the enemies there. I think im still trying to play it like Hades 1, where as I need to be more slow and methodical. Any other quick tips?

[vivid flare]

It's locked behind an incantation

[scenic arrow]

use your cast more

[vivid flare]

Use your Cast

[scenic arrow]

wait fr???

[vivid flare]

Yep, Empath's Intuition

[karmic swift]

i probably should be using it shouldnt i

i barely have been bc i never did in hades 1

[scenic arrow]

normal cast is so good in H2
crowd control
damage boost when you unlock Furies
lots of CC with boons like freeze or aphro or hitch

[vivid flare]

Indeed you should. Between the Furies arcana and the slow it puts on enemies at base, there's several incentives to use it even when there's no boon attached

[gentle patrol]

Okay, will do. Thank you. I think i need to use more proactively rather than last minute due to charge time. Gonna get some getting used to!

[vivid flare]

Now, while there are several cast boons that I think are dogwater, there are also several excellent ones

[scenic arrow]

for fast melee enemies, you can cast and let them come to you
for ranged enemies, you need to go to them, then cast

[scenic arrow]

I actually think like most of them are good

Aphro, Dem, hera, zeus, hestia, pos
6/9 ain't bad

[vivid flare]

It's mostly just Storm Ring, Solar Ring, and Engagement Ring that I dislike immensely

[gentle patrol]

I've tried a few, demeter, Zeus and Aphroditi. Any other recommendations?

[scenic arrow]

engagement can be funny

[vivid flare]

Smolder Ring is excellent

[scenic arrow]

poseidon is good, I think, maybe

I STILL cannot tell if froth is actually helping me or not

[vivid flare]

Anvil Ring is also pretty funny, especially with Winner's Circle

[gentle patrol]

Always struggling with Poseidon, never really enjoyed his booms in H1...

[vivid flare]

Tidal Ring is great because it's Froth out of the can

Which can be good, except for when it doesn't proc :3

[scenic arrow]

idk I tried it a few runs and I'm pretty sure froth is just there for emotional support

[vivid flare]

It's there to trigger Origination :3

[scenic arrow]

it couldn't even beat the damage of the base cast wave

[gentle patrol]

Cool, thank you everyone. Death to Chronos

[scenic arrow]

like I feel like this run gave it a fair shot
#h2-victory-boasting message

and it still couldn't beat odash

[frigid tapir]

how to see current list of keepsakes?

[idle moth]

[scenic arrow]

keepsake cabinet

[frigid tapir]

cant seem to find it in crossroads...

[scenic arrow]

training room

[keen fable]

so is Hecate supposed to be hard... i cannot get past her

[indigo quest]

How should I spend my first bath salt? Any value of who to pick?

[frigid tapir]

do you need to select the keepsakes in the crossroads to equip them?

[elfin granite]

Initially, yes.
You later get an incantation that lets you swap them out between regions.

[fallen kite]

My Lion Fang has a portrait of Herakles on it

What does that mean?

[tiny falcon]

Means you forged a bond with him. I don't know what the bond does but I am sure some other people will probably have an answer for that 🙂

And by 'what bond does' I mean I don't know if it does anything special.

[latent dock]

Skelle, he gives u an extra death define

[fallen kite]

[latent dock]

Do you have the tool for it? Did you open any pets? It usually can be gathered in Erebus

[latent dock]

Imo There is no prioritizing, just give all of them to take a keepsake and try them all. But most important one is skelle, he gives u an extra death defined

[tiny falcon]

All keepsakes will have it especially the gods 🙂 I think the little arts of em are amazing.

[latent dock]

The more bond you have with them the more activities you can do with them. You cant go to hecte and tell her to bath with you directly, you need to reach a certain lvl of bond so she can accept it

[fallen kite]

So how good is Medea's keepsake?

Like do u just equip Moros' keepsake, tank a bunch of damage, then swap to Medea's for huge omega damage?

are u supposed to intentionally facetank damage??

[dark breach]

I just unlocked the Axe and the Flames. Not sure if I like those though

[latent dock]

Depends, if u are fighting a boss and you still far from clearing it? Usless. If you are in an encounter and you died and you can finish it in 10 sec? Really good

Note: if you have death defined and you died the moros keepsake will get activated first then if you dont finish in 10 sec it will activate the death defined

[latent dock]

WHAT THE AXE IS SO GOOD BRO😭 it has a HUGEEE damage output. Dont judge it now because the hammer for it is really good and makes it way easier to use trust me. Try it

The flames is the highest damage output in the whole game, tho you need to learn how to use it. Abit hard imo

[latent dock]

Yes, you can also change it after each location. Really good if it expired

[hot cove]

alright , how many keepsake can you equip at once?

[fallen kite]

Btw, how does Strength interact with Medea's keepsake? Like if I take 100 damage, but Strength reduces it to 60, does it only charge up Medea's keepsake by 60?

[elfin granite]

Yes.

[latent dock]

One, u can change it after each location if you want or if it expired ( alot of new players dont do that, it tells you that its expired)

[latent dock]

Yes unfortunately

[latent dock]

How do you struggle? At first she is a bit hard for some players but what weapon do you use and how many times did u fight her

[fallen kite]

It's not a swear word!!! ITS LITERALLT NIGHTWING'S REAL NAME

The mod bot is bullying me just for saying somebody's name

[tiny falcon]

I’d say Richard :’) just to be safe

[latent dock]

Depends on who you fancy most hehehe and wanna see with a new bath look hehe

[keen fable]

I literally know nothing about this game... its fun so im playing it but this boss is giving me trouble and I just want to know if its "normal" to get stuck on her

Ive beat her one but died shortly afterwards and had to go all the way back 😔

[latent dock]

Did you memorize her attack pattern? Did you build your build to focus on one thing and be strong?

[fallen kite]

no it's an emote that has his name ni it

[latent dock]

If u want share w me ur screen while playing to see where u struggle then i could help😭

[fallen kite]

anyway so Medea's shawl, does it stack more omega damage when you take even more?

Like does it give 60% omega damage after u take 500?

[tiny falcon]

ah sounds bout right

[keen fable]

I remember her attacks but I dont know anything about builds or focusing on specific powers

[latent dock]

Max is 60%, so imagine building it with other boones to reach 100%

[cyan mauve]

Does anyone know how to compel?

I don’t get it…

Are the arms different colors because i have different arms when do i know what to press?

[latent dock]

Hold press on the button shown on the screen. Lift ur finger from the button then do the same

[latent dock]

Its juer left and right. If its right then right click if left then left click and both just do both

[fallen kite]

mean :( i wanted to get like 120% extra omega damage

but i guess that would be op

[latent dock]

Dm me and i could help you

[cyan mauve]

So the glowing hand is the one I’m supposed to click?

[latent dock]

Yes it will, it starts at 20 then 40 then 60

[latent dock]

No, its whatever hand shown. Wait a bit

[keen fable]

Im in bed rn so ill ttyt if I need help if that's ok with you

[elfin granite]

You press whichever hands it's showing you. If you see two hands, you need to press both.

[cyan mauve]

But they are both shown at the start always

Does anyone have a video of it

[raven sluice]

what should i be using my bones for? Ive been buying nectars but with the spare idk what to do, esp the trade value doesn't seem good

[fallen kite]

nono, i mean like with the maxed out shawl, and then taking 1000 damage to make 30% time 4

[latent dock]

So you get this on the screen to which hand
L
You need to press left click and hold then release

R
U need to press right lick and hold then release

L R
You need to hold press both and release

[latent dock]

Yes no problem:)

[latent dock]

From ur text i assum u opened the broker yes? U can buy alot of stuff as you progress check the broker

[latent dock]

Nahh thats game breaking 😭😭

[raven sluice]

Soo should i hoard bones for now

i do need psyche and stuff but they're so expensive

[latent dock]

For now yes, but also sometimes weapons are glowing black. This means they give extra bones

[dark breach]

Can you recommend a good beginner build with no aspects?

[latent dock]

Wait lemme enter my game then i can send you screenshots of my builds that i beat the game with

[raven sluice]

dont they give like 3 bones per location though

[latent dock]

Yes which is good at the start , for example u can buy
Ashes: helpes you in the arcana
Psyche: helps to max the number of cards in ur arcana
Fate fabric: helpes in some stuff in Crafting

[raven sluice]

but 3 bones for location means i get 12 bones for making it to ||tartarus||

a bit stingy

[indigo quest]

Can't post pictures here?

[latent dock]

Nope, u can in #h2-builds-and-combat

[pseudo sluice]

I'm so inexperienced with the axe and I just attacked and moved into [one hit ko] by mistake

😢 almost had him for the first time, oh well

[latent dock]

I took that once with a hammer that makes it only the one hit ko and never again, it limites you but it gives you huge damage

[pseudo sluice]

Any idea on where to get || star dust? Just starting to get my Arcana empowered and there's a lot of new resources I haven't seen a way of getting ||

[cyan mauve]

I have lvl 8 epic volcanic flourish 2 sec cd wheneve i use my y to deal 500 dmg guess i’m mellee now im using the torches lmao

[latent dock]

|| you can get them from the broker, or when you buy from the boatman he gives you golden tickets. You can go to a box next to the broker on the river and trade them for it ||

[raven sluice]

hexes are so hard to use when ur not utilizing arcana

i didnt use charge attacks in hades 1 much

[pseudo sluice]

|| must be something I haven't unlocked yet then! I only get 4 options which are ash/psyche/fate fabric/moon dust but no star dust yet, should probably revisit my cauldron there might be stuff I'm not doing|| thanks!

[latent dock]

Oh and || you can get it from the trial or chaos and the awakened aspect prophecy ||

[raven sluice]

and the base charge speed feels so slow

[latent dock]

Yes probably you didn't open it but it will come soon. You are welcome!

[pseudo sluice]

yep, plenty of stuff I haven't unlocked yet. still yet to get my first clear. my arcana useage might be not optimal either. thanks! back to trying a run out lol

[latent dock]

Wait you mean hexes from ||celena || ?

[raven sluice]

yeah

[latent dock]

Have fun!

[latent dock]

||Its the best thing you can get as a new player, you maybe took a not so good one. I could recommend 3 ones, first is the one that turns 5 enemies into sheeps
Sec, the one that makes you heal 3 times each location
Third, the one that makes you fire a beam that deals 200 or 1000 dmg ||
On how to solve the slower charge :
|| you can get boons from aphrodite and others because they have boons that charge your Magick automatically so this should solve it||

[ebon thicket]

the second one is ||three times per region, not location.|| but|| it will refresh if you find a fountain too though||

[raven sluice]

i did take 2nd and 3rd ones, and they were good. It's just that i find it hard to use charged attacks bc i dont like i have to stay in one place, im almost never short of arcana

[latent dock]

Oh forgot to mention that true

[raven sluice]

if the charge speeds were faster i would def use em more

[latent dock]

You didnt get any boons that make the charge faster?

There are plenty

[ebon thicket]

theyre a lot more powerful so they do take a bit sometimes

there are upgrades/boons that speed it up though

[raven sluice]

they were barely noticable😭

i did pick up a hermes boon or two

[latent dock]

At one run i got like 70% faster 😭😭

[raven sluice]

im just addicted to my hades 1 playstyle

[raven sluice]

i could use some of that

[latent dock]

You should go to the hammer and the chaos

[raven sluice]

mmm

the hammers doesnt feel broken as it felt in hades1

it's good but hades 1 had stuff like 'ok now your special hits 3 times lol'

[latent dock]

It is not as broken but still should go for it over anything else

[latent dock]

Ahhhh we kinda have that...

[raven sluice]

maybe daedalus just hates me

[latent dock]

For now i only had it in the || axe||

[raven sluice]

i should try that weapon

||sister blades ||are goated but im starting to get bored

[latent dock]

Too strong, tho if u would take a hammer u should take || u can move while your spinning special move is on||

[raven sluice]

noted

should i take it for my first run of the ||surface||, idk what to expect

[latent dock]

|| sister balde is too challenging i would say out of all weapons ||

[latent dock]

If u want to rock the enemies yes, jf you want safe run then take || the black coat , its like the shield in hades 1 and even stronger ||

[shy zephyr]

the ||coat|| is NOT stronger than hades 1 shield bro

[raven sluice]

i do not have that item yet

[shy zephyr]

it's a good weapon, but hades 1 shield was just mega broken

[latent dock]

Nahh bro it iss || did u see the builds for the missiles??||

[raven sluice]

i got ||staff, sister blades, axe, torch|| and that's it rn

dont even have a fishing rod lol

[latent dock]

||Torch is hard to use but its the strongest weapon in the game if u master it, biggest damage output ||

[shy zephyr]

i have done a ||62 fear run with aspect of nyx|| and also a 50 heat run with two shield aspects in hades 1

||coat|| is strong yes, but that damn shield was just something else 🥀💔

[latent dock]

Bro is on the run for sweat 😭😭

[signal bolt]

damn pizza stop sweating

[latent dock]

Agreed it was too broken for hades 1 , the fact that it could block hades attacks was mad

[signal bolt]

can't imagine playing ||62f ever||

[daring mirage]

im coming from hades 1 and the controls feel wrong what do i rebind

[frail grail]

so coat is basically h1 ||gauntlet + shield? ...with rockets?||

[latent dock]

I also came from h1 and just coped

[latent dock]

Sensor pls😭 but yes

[signal bolt]

coat is hard to get a handle on but once u learn how to play it, it becomes incredibly fun and strong

[random meteor]

if still not sure, you are able to access the menu, yes? there definitely should be a controls panel there

[daring mirage]

nvm i redownloaded hades 1 to figure it out what i ment was how to chain everything in one go like the ordinal, like one long uniterupted combo u cant do that if u have move a finger over

in 2

thats all the default controls do

its backwards

[fossil crow]

how do the two games compare when it comes to amount of content and difficulty

[sharp ermine]

does Nimble limbs affect attack rate or just how quickly the sword / bullet moves? Same thing with racing thoughts...does it just speed up the animation but not the cooldown? Thanks

[signal bolt]

tons more content, difficulty is hard but as u play it'll naturally start clicking more and more

to the point where the high heat equivalent is still relatively manageable

[crystal pendant]

babby question I'm sure has been asked a million times: is there a way to get the torch regular attack to combo without charging omega?

[kind knot]

Question about blitz, what happens if you have different rarities/levels Blitz in attack and special? Do they stack? Are they completely separate? The highest one prevails?

[latent dock]

i think that
The higher or more potent Blitz you have will dominate when triggering, but you won’t get double Blitz effects.

[livid tundra]

Are you able to dodge Hecates morph attack? I cant seen to manage it.

[pseudo sluice]

You can but you need to dash really well through it many times, I saw it on a Haelian video earlier

[latent dock]

i did it once, i had a certine weapon that bosts ur speed so that u can go around and dash fast . its || black coat||

[pseudo sluice]

hey pirate! any chance you can help me set up my arcana real quick? im at 25 grasp

[latent dock]

sure ! dm me

[shy zephyr]

dash back and forth through it

[drowsy herald]

How do I see my current Daedulus hammer upgrades mid run

[elfin granite]

They're in the boon menu

[drowsy herald]

Oh found it

[hot cove]

how do i get bronze guys

[shy zephyr]

||first region of surface||

you can either ||make a run for it and hope one spawns|| or just wait until ||you can actually live up there||

[hot cove]

alright thanks

[frail grail]

is "judgement" arcana a meme or good? also, guardians are just end act bosses or also elite rooms?

[primal trench]

No

[stiff hawk]

Games fun

[primal trench]

It is a meme but it is also strong if you can manage the beginning

[stiff hawk]

I’m not using cast at all tho

Should I

[primal trench]

You should

[stiff hawk]

I don’t get what it’s good for tho?

[primal trench]

Its literally a free cc at a button press, no animation

[raven sluice]

there is an arcana that boosts dmg by 20% for enemies inside it so yeah you should use it

also it stops enemies in place

[stiff hawk]

What’s a CC

[primal trench]

Not to mention boons

[primal trench]

Crowd control, it snares enemies

[stiff hawk]

Oh okay

[raven sluice]

enemies inside cast cant move

[primal trench]

There's literally no reason not to spam cast, it has virtually no animation, not negatives

At its worst is free cc

[raven sluice]

wait i forgot if cast cc works on bosses as well

[stiff hawk]

What’s the difference between normal cast and omega cast ?

[primal trench]

It doesnt

[stiff hawk]

Without boons

[raven sluice]

fair

[primal trench]

Omega cast explodes when it expires doing dmg

[raven sluice]

not really worth until you get boons

or it's a good opening for fights when you know where enemies will spawn🤷

[primal trench]

Get it the habit of just using regular cast, spam it even, like i said there's zero negatives

[stiff hawk]

Alr thanks, what’s everyone’s weapon of choice btw just curious

I go with umbral flames, so far is the one that aligns more with my playstyle

[primal trench]

Torches

[thorn jay]

any good build for early progression ? dont have aspects

[primal trench]

I've loved the torches ever since the game came out

[stiff hawk]

They’re very good

[primal trench]

I loved the early access version even when it wasn't considered good

[stiff hawk]

What’s considered the best weapon now that the game is out ?

[primal trench]

None really. They are all good

It depends on what you're target is, I'm sure max difficulty will have a best, im sure speedrunning will have a best, but unless youre doing something extreme like that, they are all on equal level

[hard zenith]

might be a spoilery question i just passed the ||cyclops, melinoe said something like charon cannot go pass that point, but i can pick up gold in later location. is there a point to pick it up? Can i spend it? ||

[gloomy lynx]

She lied to you, there are shops further 😂

[faint kindle]

I have played the 2nd generation now. Is it still recommended to go back and buy the 1st generation?

[robust flame]

ive gone for it multiple times but still don't understand what the piece of paper above a door means

[gloomy lynx]

what piece of paper 😄

[formal flax]

Usually means its part of the fated prophecies if its what im thinking of.

[gloomy lynx]

i think so

[haughty lodge]

Yes, but in 2nd biome it's a coincidence really, and on 3rd and 4th it's || Hermes who sells things in Charon's name ||

[frail grail]

what goes well with mel skull? i am struggling with this weapon the most, by far

its not even close this weapon is my absolute worse

[indigo quest]

Apollo for skulls

[primal trench]

technically she didnt lie

[gloomy lynx]

idk why she says so after 1st region, bcoz he appears in the 2nd region too

[primal trench]

she says it at the beginning of second zone i believe, which checks out

[frail grail]

skull secondary has no iframes right? unless fully charged omega?

[deep dome]

Hi, what is the best first weapon aspect to unlock?

[pseudo sluice]

Got the first win after 23 nights, let's goooo 🙂

[primal trench]

correct

hes constantly following her narrating, so whither she goes, he goes

[tight mantle]

Question about the book of shadows
Some characters bio’s say “more is to be learned…” and then some don’t? They just have a green wax seal instead?
And it doesn’t show me there heart count like it did in hades 1

[primal trench]

some characters dont have a heart count

if nothing is to be learned, then the entry is over, nothing is to be learned

[tight mantle]

I mean NO characters have a heart count on my book of shadows neither the unseen or gods

[primal trench]

interesting, perhaps you have to unlock it as an incantation

its been a while

[tight mantle]

I mean i haven’t beaten chronos yet if thats useful information

[primal trench]

as a new player, oftentimes the answer to most questions is gonna be "keep playing"

[tight mantle]

Dang zeus’s whole bio is literally two sentences?

[tight mantle]

Will do

[primal trench]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gloomy lynx]

i guess so xD

[thorny valley]

Does gifting nectar after the first to a god does anything? I have been giving 2 or 3 to one and I didnt seen any change to the codex or their dialogue

[primal trench]

gameplay wise, no

it advances your bond with the character

you need to fill all hearts by gifting them to bond, but this doesnt change anything gameplay

[thorny valley]

is the bond represent by something? in the first game you could the heart but I dont see anything in the codex in the 2

[primal trench]

eventually you will have tha ability to see it

[thorny valley]

I see

[primal trench]

and yes it is hearts just like the first game

[viscid nimbus]

i still don't know when i bought this game but i'm glad i did

[thorny valley]

ok ty

[sinful cradle]

Is there a way to see relationship bars for characters like in the first game? I gave a good handful of them nectar at this point and I'm not seeing any results thus far

[primal trench]

yes, eventually

[pseudo sluice]

cool interaction I found, when fighting ||Chronos|| you can use the curse hex that revives an enemy foe and ||heal up from his beam, it doesn't heal a lot but it's something||

[frigid tapir]

why do some doors have an index finger pointing upwards with an infinity symbol warpped around the finger?

[frozen ember]

there's something for a recipe you've marked with forget-me-not in there

[crisp urchin]

Hey all, currently deciding between buying between PC and Switch. I was going to do PC as that's where I preferred the first Hades but I've got two young kids that would likely enjoy the gameplay but are too young to understand the content if that makes sense. Does 2 have anything mature that would be too much for kids under 10?

Because if it is appropriate enough I'll grab on the switch instead

[frozen ember]

That really depends on your personal take like, Aphrodite is still in it and I'm sure you remember her H1 design

The romances also have fade-to-black scenes with suggestive audio and lines, same as H1. If neither of those or damaged sprites (nothing worse than an action cartoon that I can recall, blood from the mouth in a couple of them etc.) are an issue for you I can't think of anything that would be, but they are in there.

[crisp urchin]

Perf, thanks for the info! Excited to dive in on this one. Successfully avoided all spoilers while in early access

[frigid tapir]

what aew good keepsakes to use early?

[shy zephyr]

god keepsakes to start a run with a boon you like

[kind oriole]

i think its because ||Charon isnt able to get his boat to Olympus for obvious reasons||

[frigid tapir]

been rocking the dualblades, what boons are good with it?

[sullen current]

they have high attack speed so flat damage boons like Poseidon are good

[spice talon]

Hi all, I'm having the hardest time with the compel spirits minigame. As in, I'm around 20 hours in and I have yet to successfully do this minigame a single time (and I just found out that this is blocking me from unlocking stuff). Is the timing just that tight? I hold down the buttons when the prompt appears, but it always fails during the second or third hand, no matter how fast my reaction speed (and I'm not that slow, I could pretty regularly do perfect fish catches in Hades 1 at least...)

[viscid nimbus]

this is a lot harder than hades 1

[willow void]

Keyboard or controller? I use controller (so the large ZL/ZR trigger buttons) I tend to start by holding both and just releasing the one that I’m not supposed to be holding. It sounds like you might be pressing the button, instead of holding the button.

[spice talon]

I'm on keyboard/mouse... I'll try that out next time I get an opportunity though, thanks

[past vigil]

Hey everybody, I’ve been using Reddit for questions and help so happy to be here. I feel like I can get more information quicker lol. #DeathToChronos!!!

[autumn flare]

Can someone explain scorch to me?

[gloomy lynx]

you can keep holding the needed symbol even after completing it.. idk how to phrase it without example
e.g.
you need to hold left mouse - you hold left mouse button.
When it completes this part, you don't unhold the left mouse button.
If the 2nd part shows right mouse button - you unhold left mouse button (the game won't punish you for holding left mouse button when it's showing different prompt already) and hold right mouse button.
if the 2nd part shows both - you don't unhold left and press and hold right

hope it wasn't too hard to understand, my wording is a bit weird

[autumn flare]

Is it like a stacking dot?

[raven sluice]

Anyone know where i can get ||thalamus||? I heard u get it from ||chaos but they gave me nothing||

[elfin granite]

They give you seeds.

[raven sluice]

They gave me nothing?

I met them twice after unlocking the option they didnt give me anything

[crisp urchin]

Makes sense, I appreciate it man

[gloomy lynx]

you need to dig up digging spots ||for origin seeds|| and then plant them in the crossroads

you might not have planting spots idk

[elfin granite]

Might just be a dialogue queue issue then.

[raven sluice]

Oh there are digging spots in their room???

[spice talon]

OHHHH, I think that makes perfect sense, thank you! I assumed it would fail if I didn't immediately let go, that's probably my problem!

[willow void]

Somebody told me it is like Hangover from H1. The wording is different to me though. Hangover was consistent damage every fraction of a second over X seconds. I don’t know how long scorch lasts, and the description is a single damage number. I think scorch builds up X damage over 1 second (rather than applying it in increments). So I guess they are functionally similar.

[raven sluice]

mm i gotta find their room again

[willow void]

Thanks @gloomy lynx that’s what I was trying to explain badly to @spice talon !

[autumn flare]

I found like a reddit post, it seems it's capped at 200 which deals 40 damage per second, seems incredibly poor Old info

[gloomy lynx]

sry I think the FIRST time you get it directly from ||chaos|| but next times yes you dig it up

[raven sluice]

Ohh makes sense

[gloomy lynx]

you need to ||die on the surface|| and in one of the next runs ||speak to chaos||

[raven sluice]

Well doesnt change the fact i got nothin

[faint tundra]

Scorch is a damage over time effect. When a target is hit with Scorch, they will slowly begin to take damage. The more Scorch you stack onto a target, the longer the DoT effect lasts. If you played Hades 1, it's similar to the Hangover effect from Dionysus.

There are boons that help speed up the damage applied to a target, or outright deal a flat amount of damage when enough Scorch is applied to a target.

[raven sluice]

Died several times, met them twice after that. No seed

maybe im just behind on dialogue queues fr

[gloomy lynx]

did u die to the "timer"? i don't know maybe you are not guaranteed to get it sorry

[autumn flare]

And the scorch amount affects how long the debuff will last?

[raven sluice]

im sure i’ll get it if i meet her more

Thanks for the help

[gloomy lynx]

do you have the incantation? and do you go in the underworld?

[raven sluice]

yuup

[gloomy lynx]

idk maybe it's not guaranteed then or something, all I can recommend is buying that item from well of charon every time you see it

[raven sluice]

Yeah i’ll try another run tmrw morning

[gloomy lynx]

[willow void]

Ya, I just can’t reconcile the wording. I THINK it is saying, that when an enemy has Scorch they begin taking damage over the course of 1 second. At the end of 1 second they will have taken X damage. If you hit them again, and apply another Scorch, another second is added to the effect, so if they are hit three times they will take X damage every second for 3 seconds.

But I don’t know if there is a limit to the number of stacks

[raven sluice]

Oh actually one more question, wth is the deal with the miniboss in the 3rd realm