h2-victory-boasting

[pliant tiger]

next goal is sub 5 right

[glass moth]

we'll see

[pliant tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-squid-game-2-cheers-happy-excited-gif-13406404385856133045

[cosmic ether]

Liked using this build for my first true ending. Now watching the credits.

[signal saddle]

Not the usual victory, but I've begun to instantly notice if an ennemy wave spawns because Athena is coming
I need to touch grass

[tidal plank]

Honestly I’ll be like “now wait that’s way too many”

[charred pecan]

Hey my first victory, no death defiants used too
les go!

Skull-Dashmaxxing

[tidal plank]

When I finally got through without a DD felt so good. Congratulations!

[charred pecan]

Thanks! Now im going to beat whatever is at the top of Olympus

[harsh mica]

This was dreadful

[carmine canyon]

not my favorite aspect i just dont see the power, anyone knows what i did wrong 😭

[tidal plank]

Can’t believe you did it without a cast boon lol

[covert glade]

Missing possessed array obviously

[meager glade]

By the gods

I have done it

[pliant tiger]

https://giphy.com/gifs/DYC4Ako9o16854pPyO

[carmine canyon]

now no hit

[meager glade]

NEVER IN A HUNDRED YEARS

[carmine canyon]

yes in 400 hours is what your supposed to say

[meager glade]

NO

[rocky steppe]

Bait or low IQ, call it

[carmine canyon]

fortunately bait

[rocky steppe]

good

[lean rivet]

freezer burn fun (2/9 hexes)

[carmine canyon]

this was not worth my glorious time

(aspect of supay no attack/cast/special dmg bonus) i spend 10 minutes running around cerberus

[lofty oriole]

Genuinely a miserable experience

Main damage output being Static shock 💀

[pliant tiger]

just keepsake any god atp bro 💔

i would keepsake anyone just to get orig

[carmine canyon]

i got that just before chronos too 😭

oh wait no

im tweaking

must have been a different try

[lofty oriole]

Think I tried this a while back with Static shock Support fire AQ and Master conductor (Tough gain). It still wasn’t fun 🫠

[carmine canyon]

i had fun finnaly had to actually learn the movest and not just end theyr existance in 0.4 nanoseconds

[neat jewel]

Absolutely insane build saved me from choking in Olympus (shoutout Aromatic Phial hitting Volcanic Strike)

[crimson birch]

Love a heroic Volcanic anything

[true remnant]

HeroiClang

[meager glade]

I smol

[valid echo]

Damage board looks weird cus I swapped from Zeus to pos special late in the run

[frosty edge]

Finally beat Typhon for the first time!

[mellow vine]

24 and 32 Fear! That did not take long.

[serene mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1464517887074107436/1500015323167064084/Screenshot_2026-05-02_000510.png?ex=69f78e61&is=69f63ce1&hm=bd4906669f8dfcd2c35d8b040a4c05acee31ba0f0a84cdb9115dc866a21c5162&

[tough isle]

The luckier tooth tells a story

[tidal plank]

Favorite build

[tidal plank]

I’m about to go for 16 underworld and I’m nervous lol

[ivory moat]

dont worry you can do it!! set up the safest arcana and you'll do just fine

my personal take is that 32 fear feels easier than 32 heat on hades 1. Feels less punishing somehow...

[valid echo]

Yeah it’s a lot easier. There also tends to be more viable builds for each weapon so you aren’t as rng reliant

[neon grail]

this was pretty fast lmao (raki circe 62f surface)

[mellow vine]

It is done. Huzzah.

[tidal plank]

I got it done. Second statue is nice lol. Working my way up

[robust sapphire]

My first Strength run with Medea (instead of DDs). Went pretty well with early Possessed Array (Fine Line was quite late)

[coral tinsel]

i love sea star

[shell meadow]

24 heat surface done !!

32 next

[brazen jetty]

32 fear complete. Pure defensive and raw damage buff run, the boons were not landing. Worst RNG I’ve had. I was never meant to compete this run, what a nightmare. I still don’t have Gigaros.

[robust sapphire]

And my first Circe (storm ring) run with Strength. I think I am way more careful with Strength lol

It wasn't meant to be an Ares run, but such is the rng

[amber delta]

32F before completing the game is funny

[brazen jetty]

I’m just like that bro bro B)

[brazen jetty]

I never Olympian trinkets in an effort to submit myself to the punishment of RNjesus. Ensures unique runs everytime.

[robust sapphire]

At this point (200+ nights), same. It gets stale

[open osprey]

oops all Toula Damage win

[brazen jetty]

WTF IS THAT!?!?

[open osprey]

:3

[pliant tiger]

i assume the o special dmg is there for tempi in chronos p2 right?

[open osprey]

It was an accident and it was mostly to charge the hex up

[shell meadow]

that wasnt too bad actually

if we ignore my stupid hp bar which helped me so much

[gilded ravine]

harm for the afflicted carry

[lofty oriole]

Bro wtf?

Hope you had a video in the background for those 2 hours lol

[open osprey]

I did not

[marsh condor]

no hit surface
To go with my no hit hordes 3 uw

[true remnant]

Why can’t I hold all these duos

[trim wadi]

properly played charon

[serene mortar]

im sorry does that say 5 minutes

[crimson birch]

World record Hades 2 speedrun is under four minutes :)

Not with Charon though, with Medea

[serene mortar]

wow

[crimson birch]

<@&456908176877551658> ^ TY!

[serene mortar]

you see i dont understnad charon i like thantos better mainly because of the final hit sequnce build you can do

@slender trout

@crimson birch how did you even get 5 minutes with charon

[crimson birch]

I wasn't the one! Ping @trim wadi

I can't get times that fast at all and I hate Charon lol

[trim wadi]

with a lot of resetting! My build is a meme though, Im playing it like thanatos

so... dont follow it at all, i dont know how to properly play charon either

[serene mortar]

what does charon even do i have all of the axe aspects including the secret one

i have thantos maxed

[trim wadi]

when you omega special your cast it blows up as an omega cast

[trim wadi]

best aspect in the game, youre doing good (no bias ofc)

[serene mortar]

that seems okay

i honestly think the secret aspect might be better but thantos might be even better with that becuase of the final chop sequnece build

[tough isle]

Secret aspect lets you get away with a hilarious amount of facetanking

In a rare twist I'd genuinely recommend demeter attack for that hidden aspect

[tough isle]

It might be a surprise but than actually falls off sharply at higher fear

[tough isle]

Early on most of my runs ended with like 12 lvl 1 boons

[sour widget]

Just hit psychic whirlwind

People really out here thinking the only way to play thanatos is using attack sequence

[rare parcel]

Auntie Hestia decided to replace Iconic Gain with Heroic Cardio Gain. Thanks, auntie Hestia!

[true remnant]

Hitless back half but still too chicken to use antler

[rare parcel]

Ah yes, Thanks, Icarus, very helpful

[true remnant]

Out of curiosity why are the little boss heads missing if this was a dream dive?

Oh, guess it wasn’t a dream dive and I just don’t know how VoR4 works

[sour widget]

I feel like supply chain if it has like 1 or 2 encounters left should activate at end shop tbh

[rare parcel]

It's funny because those two upgrades Vicious Strike. I'd have liked a Level 9 Vicious Strike before Typhon, Icarus

[stiff minnow]

Not even close 😎

[sour widget]

I mean it’s 10% extra damage so not nothing but pretty inconsequential on normal Typhon

[true remnant]

Aspect of getting hit and ignoring the hex

[west minnow]

oh. that's how you use supay.

[rotund hamlet]

barely any damage too, v nice

[rare parcel]

Was that the weirdest Supay run I have had? Yes, absolutely
Was that also funny? Yes, absolutely

[carmine canyon]

only true way to play supay is to do no time and run around bosses with no rush boon for 20 minutes 😭

(somehow one tapped 1/2 2nd phase chronos with this)

[true remnant]

Lv14 clang 😭

[tacit zephyr]

Spoilered in case, isn't a run win (yet!) but is my first Rivals 3 battle win :D

[tranquil patio]

maxed out deathray of doom and despair

plus the circe 30% bonus basically skipped the first half of the boss fight

[tacit zephyr]

New highest Fear cleared :D (for Surface and at all)

[tacit zephyr]

And followed suit for Underworld!

(which also included first Rivals 3 Underworld win!)

[alpine flame]

anyone know why this build was good? The legendary poseidon boon mabye? Easiest typhoon clear for me yet

[lofty oriole]

Congrats! You’ve just found probably one of the best builds for coat 🫢

[pliant tiger]

pos exhaust riser is broken

[lofty oriole]

Pos exhaust riser with static shock is still extremely viable in the 60+ fears

[pliant tiger]

its just that it doesnt hold a (snuffed) candle to shimmering rockets meta

[lofty oriole]

That damage spread is kinda wild jfc. Attack and Gust having 4 points apart from each other too 😮

[lofty oriole]

Shrockets are broken. Even more so if you’re on kbm 🫢

[neat jewel]

Speaking of ShRockets, Thermal D ShRockets baby

[lethal flicker]

Got sanguiney saviour in Ephyra, go on to get the legendary ares build setup, find out that Lance of Ares doesn't work properly

[neat jewel]

Did they think it'd be too strong if it could keep applying 150 Wounds power? As if Selene didn't need all the help it needed to be interesting

[lethal flicker]

no I mean it didn't apply wounds at all

[robust sapphire]

Not the usual medea possessed array run lol

"How many global damage modifiers do you want?"
"Yes"

Gale + The Lovers led to the very weird Most Damage Suffered section

[harsh mica]

Hitch kinda slaps w/ supay

[marsh condor]

newbies night champ be like

[rocky steppe]

Looking at this brings me physical pain

[lean rivet]

lol

[charred pecan]

There we go! Finally managed Typhoon, took me longer than chronos
but old Artemis Aspect is just too overpowered

Typhoon managed to appear 3 times in the most damage suffered section 🙏

Moon Water is goated

[neat jewel]

251 damage to Auto-Watchers ✌️

[echo gyro]

Got a best new time! So funny, just stand in place and fire away. (uh a little too much on Chronos, didn't bother dodging..) Sadly didn't get the duo boon for even shorter blast recharge despite multiple attempts

[charred cypress]

Pushing the fastest Persphone Surface run in the world even further

[deft terrace]

kinda fumbled in the second part of the fight but this run got me some op stuff
getting epic bounce back and then using calling card to rarify it- the result had me cackling

[lofty oriole]

You didn’t feel like turning on Death or Strength? 🫢

[deft terrace]

this was horrible ngl

[crimson birch]

Hey, you won! How terrible can that be? :P

You even have 82 completely unnecessary health points left

[deft terrace]

true enough

[lofty oriole]

Every win is skilful and earned 🙃

[true remnant]

We need a plasma emote

[neon grail]

62f surface w/ thanatos

no need for psychic, just get heart of hestia & freezer burn instead

[lofty oriole]

SeeThan marauder

Wow your scorch did so much more than special that special didn't even show up on the damage board

[neon grail]

Heart of Hestia + epic task force lmao

[lofty oriole]

Ahh that makes more sense

How many more aspects do you have left for the 62+ allspects? Feels like you've cleared most of them now

[neon grail]

I accidently pressed B before taking a proper screenshot so

[lofty oriole]

Just Shiva iirc?

[neon grail]

Artemis both routes and Than underworld

[lofty oriole]

Oh light work 👏

You got this

Trying to remember what I did for 62 than. It was a kinda terrible build iirc

oh yeah found it. it was just seething slop 💀

[neon grail]

Rapid Hack helped too

[neon grail]

I mean seething without psychic is still hard to play on than imo

[lofty oriole]

somehow both of my wins have been without psychic. deffo noticeable drop in speed/damage 😭

Than struggles a lot in Erebus without a good hammer 💀

[neon grail]

We both have Arctic Ring that seems mandatory on than with no psychic lmao. I had Zeus cast on the previous attempt and took million damage in Thessaly

[lofty oriole]

Cast was so necessary that it ended up being on the damage board 😂

[neon grail]

Ye than either needs really good hammers or some extra olympian damage like blasts, freezer burn etc

[lofty oriole]

But yeah genuinely like bottom 5 aspect at 62

Think it was the last ones I've done next to Shiva and Selene

And then afterwards I think I grinded for max fear. So that'll be your goal next I guess

[neon grail]

I mean Nergal oattack has more range and damage and can heal lol. Way more easy to play compared to than

[lofty oriole]

I feel like Nergal sorta overshadowed Than axe as the premier psychic axe spammer which sucks 😭

Plus the loss of the special block back in EA deffo hurt it. Used to be one of the better and safer weps for Max/55 fear

[neon grail]

My Selene runs where easy. Uw was shimmering hitch slop, and I got epic heph special on the surface one

[neon grail]

I have no idea what special block is lol.

[lofty oriole]

Selene is an interesting one cuz I always keep crying about how hard it is on controller, yet my Ws ended up being really comfortable runs 😅

Though they were mainly exhaust pos static runs instead of shimmer lmao

[lofty oriole]

Ah, back in EA the special used to be similar to the Coat OAttack start up

[neon grail]

Yea that works too. Shiva has neither lmao

[lethal flicker]

What if Vicious Strike, but actually did damage?

[lofty oriole]

I love that poseidon is kinda dogwater in most builds but there's like a handful of weapons where he can proper shine. Like Charon and Coats 😂

[neon grail]

Yea he's only good in 4 aspects lol

[lethal flicker]

But has some boons that are absolutely bananas

Gyser, Hydraulic,

Sea Star is meme good, Breaker Rush is the saviour of fresh file runes

Ocean's Swell is actually incredible in Mel/Moros torches as a discount exceptional Talent

Flood Gain is disgusting

[neon grail]

Yea Ocean Swell is really good on torches, it's my favorite Pos boon definitely

I like Tidal Ring & Hydraulic Might too and that's about it

[lethal flicker]

It's harder to find places where splash is good, but they definitely exist

and that Legendary can come in clutch

I'd say he's solid and has enough variety to be workable with most aspects, even if only as the support act

[marsh condor]

[true remnant]

Wanted to try something funni

[true remnant]

I carried an aphro special until the Cerberus purging pool tho, I ain’t insane

[tranquil patio]

just beat the game and got a new pb

[true remnant]

Would you look at that (no wave flourish until final shop )

[tough sundial]

finally beat 45 fear!!! next is 50

[tough isle]

"Another Onion!"

[brazen jetty]

Double omega cast build I scrapped together. Every pinned boon boosts cast. Poor typhon lasted but seconds. I had to keep taking damage to recharge my mana since it was costing 60 per cast and my dumbass picked up hammer boy for mama regen instead of Apollo.

[ivory moat]

lots of boons

i love ripple effect!!

[brazen jetty]

Most I’ve had was 45, went into the second screen lol

[true remnant]

Rivals poly is not fun but eris is free?

[glass moth]

rivals eris is easier than normal eris imo

[brazen jetty]

I haven’t unlocked the final boss rivals but the only other one I find has absurd damage phases in the dog.

[tacit zephyr]

Huh. Didn't take long to reach the 40 fear win.

I was cringing hard at Vow of Denial and the Vow of Debt cost me some boons but still managed to win surprisingly handily. I'm getting better at the game!

[tough isle]

Vow of debt is kinda free, and actually really good for ticket farming

[true remnant]

Is pin r4 just a way to stretch your DDs even further

[tough isle]

Idk if pin gets spent before dds

[rare parcel]

It does

[gilded ravine]

fire away! (it's actually kinda good)

i still probably will never go for it in real runs cuz fireballs suck ass

but fun still

[neat jewel]

If only Glowing Coal did the Howling Soul thing (of sticking to an enemy not of flying off into the distance)

Though you had Controlled Burn

[gilded ravine]

yea i specifically got controlled burn cuz

• i don't use ospec
• i like my cast the way it is

[tough isle]

So if you die during pin, it just procs your next dd?

[tacit zephyr]

Pin r4 is absolutely a way to stretch DDs further. It isn't the most optimal for speed but it helps with ensuring I can actually win, heh. Though wasn't needed in this case, often isn't.

Pin does get spent before other DDs

[tough isle]

That seems really cool

[true remnant]

This was unpleasant

I had to get wave flourish from a tart sideroom

Also my first time trying rivals 3

[hidden gale]

Finally done! Love this game so much.

[glass moth]

not a PB but got my second sub 6 ☺️

shoulda went mel skull again instead

[rotund hamlet]

have you tried bangle instead of jpom

[neat jewel]

Concave Stone meta is rising trust

[true remnant]

Smithy rush very compatible with moros

Meant to say not

[glass moth]

nah im a fates whim one trick

[rotund hamlet]

try it out trust

[pliant tiger]

aight uhhh champion of elysium wr taken back

[glass moth]

lost storm ring, static shock and heroic double strike after beating eye because denial forced queens ransom my fault for not checking

[pliant tiger]

ts payback after pizza stole champion of elysium square from me during bingo

[bleak plaza]

first 40 after months of not playing

daddy's soul is so good

[pliant tiger]

might just be the worst thumbnail ive ever created https://youtu.be/5FI92d4kZ1w

[lofty oriole]

Tf is that thumbnail 😂

Gj though 👏

[pliant tiger]

https://giphy.com/gifs/meme-gifzbox-six-seven-RVCJ3vwebUGDpoy7Tm

actually nvm that might be the best thumbnail ive ever created

[lofty oriole]

Cursed

[pliant tiger]

now i have uhhhh 4 world records in the span of 7 days 🔥

eon of mel skull

[delicate pendant]

I made 617 health, which is my personal record

And I was on full HP when I started the fight with Typhon

Idk why I haven't pinned Frinos, he did contribute a lot too

[pliant tiger]

the most ass backhalf in existence

[neon grail]

You forgot to unequip calling card I guess

[pliant tiger]

i got 30 second thessaly boat, aetos last room, ass prom rng, and no room 1 fig summit 💔

[pliant tiger]

splits: 1:05 / 2:41 / 4:30 / 4:52 / 5:29

[neat jewel]

Nah he PICKED Calling Card by total accident

[neon grail]

Ok, I think I once took Wantler instead of Moon Beam by accident in 3rd region lmao

[bleak plaza]

mel omega spesh

[sour widget]

Shhhhh we don’t talk about it. I was there when it happened though and IDK what bro was on

[gilded ravine]

oh nah i blanked out during keepsake selection and accidentally autopiloted into calling card r4

meant to antler but oh well

[neat jewel]

Totally get the hesitation cause Scorch lol

[sour widget]

I don’t think there was any brain function happening there

They were just tired

[lofty oriole]

Happens to the best of us 😭

[analog oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/the-drug-is-ready-frank-sheldon-christopher-walken-the-outlaws-checking-the-drugs-gif-26398806

[gilded ravine]

yea scorch not being antler-able is ass, i just figured having blast/spec crit would've still been fine

[sour widget]

I’d say freezer burn crits would be OP but Heph blasts can crit for over 10k so nevermind

I’ve had non-crits hit for 3.4k on heph blasts

[gilded ravine]

ye blast crits r insane

me when the duo can't scale

[sour widget]

Being able to beat an entire phase in one hit

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-gif-23464742

[gilded ravine]

it's prob why i like scalding vapor so much even tho a good number of ppl dunk on it

[deft terrace]

FINALLY

[gilded ravine]

huge

[sour widget]

Wait scalding crits?

[gilded ravine]

ya

[sour widget]

Well damn wish I knew that

I really thought it was the same as scorch but I guess it behaves as an isolated hit and not direct damage like scorch

[gilded ravine]

one of my annoyances with vapor is i think it's dumb that slippery slope gives u froth and boosts dmg of froth, only to throw away froth with vapor anyway

but vapor is funny so it's fine

[sour widget]

Vapor does more damage anyways since froth is animation and chance limited

[gilded ravine]

ye it just is literally 20 dmg every 0.2s

i mean i think jpom froth can do like over 100, since it actually affects froth power rather than being an additive

[sour widget]

Oh yeah slippery Pom scaling is huge

Also wait what do you mean

Slippery isn’t additive?

[gilded ravine]

like froth at base does 50, slippery directly changes that base so if it's +100% then it becomes 100 power (so it's basically a multiplier)

[sour widget]

Ah I’d assumed froth buff was additive

SGG John Grammatical Clarity

[neat jewel]

We LOVE rerolls

[gilded ravine]

funny ding dong

holy support fire dmg board lmao

[neat jewel]

I probably time out if I don't get that Volcanic Strike sac in endshop because I'm ass

Yeah even without AQ lol that surprised me

[sour widget]

Damn we playing aspectless coat

[neat jewel]

I kept not taking Soul Tonics for some reason then I remembered "oh wait I'm taking Static Shock later for sure"

[sour widget]

RIP time gotta speed that up

[neat jewel]

So I didn't bother taking Lucid Gain when it showed up anymore lol

[meager glade]

No hit (somehow)

[native jungle]

Night 50, first time using Medea, first time dream diving. 1hp from failure. Perfect.

[neat jewel]

Love seeing a desperate lock-in right at the end

[sour widget]

Glowing coal 4th degree 🔥

[meager glade]

It was scarily easy

[sour widget]

If only you didn’t have ares on your special since the wounds from fourth degree apparently doesn’t override the cooldown

[neat jewel]

Oh yeah I never thought about that, I guess Fourth Degree just shows up as Cast/Controlled Burn damage?

[sour widget]

And yeah the Persephone funny clown car is so stupidly safe

https://tenor.com/view/skull-car-cigarette-gif-4308401115547052449

[sour widget]

Yeah it counts as cast damage like all the other “cast throw” boons

Or controlled burn

But yeah you can screw yourself out of the 250 wounds power if they already have wounds on them

So it’s better to get fourth degree when you don’t have anything else that does wounds

Especially not your other main source of damage

[sour widget]

Health is a resource and you were using it

[native jungle]

Indeed!

[sour widget]

Also boosted + looming is good hammers

Not possessed array but a solid second place

I need to try for a Persefunny 62 @neat jewel maybe I’ll try that tonight

[deft terrace]

i guess this isnt technically the right place for this but just wanted to add onto this that both hades games are now my only 2 ever perfect games
hades goated

[sour widget]

Still bummed I choked that Nergal 62 with giga cleaver lol

[neat jewel]

Gonna take a few runs to erase skull speedrunning tendencies I bet lol

[sour widget]

Nah this is the right place

[sour widget]

Nah we just get blitz or scorch special and go to town

Oh also scalding vapor would be funny since it counts for Persephone charge

[neat jewel]

Fourth Degree Scalding Vapor Arterial Spray for Olympianmaxxing

Probably need to be surface to even have a chance at triple duos lol

[sour widget]

Poseidon special would be so BAD

Even with slippery and arterial

If I were going for serious ospec damage maxing though it would be aphro or Apollo special and hunting for exceptional talent and twisting crash with colossus driver

300% aphro special would go hard

[pliant tiger]

RIVALS 4 SURFACE WORLD RECORD WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT LETS GO BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

splits: 1:26 / 2:52 / 4:52 / 5:16 / 6:13

surprisingly fast thessaly considering how much of a pain in the ass thessaly is

[deft terrace]

that is insanely impressive

[valid echo]

This build finally came together right before the chronos fight when I got the blitz special. Relied so heavy on the cast w/ howling soul and winners circle

[pliant tiger]

no commentary tho sooooooooooo https://youtu.be/V-bJWdAu0Jw

[robust sapphire]

This was a pretty crazy Medea possessed array run, even Icarus upgraded the possessed array

I am getting used to Frenzy 2

Maybe the first time I am seeing Fine Line at the top of damage list lol

[pliant tiger]

u are clearly ready for antler

[robust sapphire]

It's only taken me like 250 nights to give up DDs, so we'll see

[sour widget]

Just another chill 50. Gonna go for 50 all aspects surface cause nobody else plays surface lol

[carmine canyon]

more power please

[true remnant]

Epic succ is so nice

[brazen jetty]

Nice little crit, omega attack speed build to roll the credits. Time for end game.

[true remnant]

Ocean swell joined the party way too late

[lofty oriole]

It's always nice to take breaks from the 60+ grind then realise "Oh wait, I'm still pretty insane at this game" 😂

[hasty imp]

First win!

I just unlocked aspects before the game

[simple cypress]

i beat two 50 fear runs at the same time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyXKISEDrhQ

[brazen jetty]

Gg what night was it?

[hasty imp]

16 I think

[brazen jetty]

Nice B)

[hasty imp]

Thanks

Time to beat the other path

[brazen jetty]

Second path is fun asf, GL

[lofty oriole]

UW run got me stressed at the end jfc

Gj on the 100 Fear 👏

[simple cypress]

yeah me too but i don't choke 😎

[lofty oriole]

Oh yeah all according to plan ofc 👌

[analog oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/how-the-hell-zac-sistas-how-tell-me-how-gif-23754720

[elder pilot]

im proud of this one

[glass moth]

king's ransom my beloved 💜

[pliant tiger]

holy ambidextrous

[brazen jetty]

For the life of me I can not remember to upgrade boon rarity when given the opportunity it’s driving me nuts.

[rare parcel]

I love Revival

[rare parcel]

Thanks, Ares. I'd have been happier if you'd have give me Grisly Gain before Prometheus battle

Before that I had Ionic Gain

[rigid dove]

Let’s go! Everything but void and pain 3 and scars 3. So happy with this because it took a little bit (around 10 tries over a few days). Thanks to @rocky steppe and @crimson birch for helping me with some keepsake choices! They were very good and definitely helped a lot!.

62 fear next? Hopefully I can get it!

[crimson birch]

Plenty of DDs left in the tank too 💯

[rocky steppe]

Why'd you take hammer, out of curiosity

[true remnant]

Tall order carry

[crimson birch]

It's so annoying when you're ONE ELEMENT AWAY from getting it

[west minnow]

gimme a t-shirt that says "i really wish i were running aspect of charon right now"

[olive vigil]

Still got it

even tho I took moon water cause I’m a coward

[sour widget]

Had an insanely good rivals typhon just absolutely cooked him with Success rate Wantler and arc flash thermal

[rigid dove]

I wanted dual moonshot, I didn’t hit it but idk, I didn’t know what else to choose after using pin in Oceanus and fang in fields.

[rigid dove]

It was only 7, not 8..

[rigid dove]

Yea!! Really happy about that!

[rocky steppe]

why would you take them there 😭

[amber delta]

This is insane congrats

[rigid dove]

Idk, just felt right? It worked but why shouldn’t I do it like that?

[true remnant]

Fang or pin are both much better used on r4

[rocky steppe]

You're kinda wasting the effects, you want chrolex region 2 for more spending power, if you're popping pin in oceanus then the run is doomed unless you keep pin the whole run, and fang is bad outside of region 4 because it'll just expire and do nothing for the bossfight

[rigid dove]

Oh, okay. It just seemed like it might’ve worked. That makes sense though. I guess I just haven’t fully figured out when to use which keepsakes.

What order should I do specific keepsakes in?

[rocky steppe]

Jpom-chrolex-droplet/onion/amulet/wahtever u want-antler/pin/fang

[rigid dove]

What about tooth?

[rocky steppe]

Pin is better

[rigid dove]

What if you don’t have revives?

[rocky steppe]

Fang

[rigid dove]

Really? I thought the extra 101 health would be nice.

[rocky steppe]

Invincibility is better

[rigid dove]

I guess.

I’ll try using it next time.

Thanks to the help though!

Also one last question, how hard is antler to use?

[rocky steppe]

How good at doing chronos hitless?

[true remnant]

Depends on how much armor and how many blocks you can smuggle into the chronos fight, dodge/daze also

[rigid dove]

Uhh, I think it’s okay. Not sure how good because I’m kind of new but I’m sure it isn’t so bad.

[tough isle]

Its meta for high fear

But at higher fear players can take like 5 hits before the hp goes down

[glass moth]

first 50f clear thanks for the tips on rivals chronos !!

still took an insane amount of damage but i lived so who cares

[neat jewel]

Did you take Hera keepsake Fields?

[rocky steppe]

Zeus spotted, respect halved /j

[glass moth]

yeah for origination cause i couldnt keep it up with scorch

[neat jewel]

Yeah having to Denial both Blitz for Storm Ring is brutal

[glass moth]

yup first boon of the run both blitz gone

[rocky steppe]

Worst feeling fr

[neat jewel]

Though I think dash-strike + special with Epic Flame Flourish should be able to apply enough Scorch to keep Orig with Blinding Rush

[glass moth]

true but my plan was just run away and spam cast lol

hitch made keeping origination active way easier

[rocky steppe]

True max fear when

[pliant tiger]

bro???

[worldly moat]

Shoutout mods ig wtf 😭

Worlds first 134f clear when

[rocky steppe]

Messin around with some mods

THERE'S A VOW THAT REMOVES SELENE

[lethal flicker]

-3 fear

[rocky steppe]

Fr tho if I do fear it''l be with normal vows

[pliant tiger]

luthien 65f arc when?

[old mountain]

Guess I've found my challenge if I ever clear 60f XD

[winged sigil]

can you explain all the new ones? I'm curious

they're obviously severely unbalanced lmao, expiry should just reduce your stuff's rarity

[neat jewel]

I got absolutely everything I wanted on this Eos run

[rocky steppe]

From left to right:
Naievity: You will have 25%/50/75/100% of your magic unavailable
Simplicity: Removes hammers
Panic: Start with 0 mana
Ripost: Foes will have a 3/6/9% chance to dodge attacks
Eclipse: Removes selene
Arrogance: First hit of the encounter does 100/300% damage
Secrets: Location rewards have a 25/50/75/100% chance to be hidden
Purging, After every guardian, you must purge a boon to move on (It doesnt do anything if you dont have boons)
Rudiments: Boons no longer give elements
Taxes: Locations cost 5/10/15 gold to move through ( again, doesn't do anything if u dont have gold)
Isolation: All npc's are disabled
Decay: First pom of power in each region becomes an onion
Expiry: Boons have a 25/50/75/100% chance to be expired (deletes after 2 guardians)
Vanity: Your keepsakes will have 1/2 less levels
Fealty: Boons can only be epic/rare/common (duo boons are still obatinable but legendaries are removed when this vow is on)
Forsaking: boons will offer 1/2 less choices
Betrayal: A random god will aid the guardian of the first 1/2/3/4 regions

[winged sigil]

it's horrible 😭 😂

[rocky steppe]

It is yeah

[neat jewel]

Rivals bosses with Betrayal gotta be impossible lol

[rocky steppe]

I plan to test it out later tonight and will update you all

[old mountain]

doable

eclipse just makes the game easier

[rocky steppe]

If it was just those vows? maybe

You'd still have all the arcana

[old mountain]

who needs it :P

[lofty oriole]

Naivety, Panic, Eclipse, Rudiments and Decay sound okay +esp if you’re not using magick. Others sound dreadful tho 👀

[old mountain]

nah sounds like a plesent timme XD

especially in dream drive XD

[lofty oriole]

Purging + Expiry sound terrible together

[old mountain]

just play boonless idk what to tell ya XD

[marsh condor]

now do it in a dream dive

[lofty oriole]

Of all the aspects, Medea might be doable. Morgan maybe if you grab some mana pots or bones lmao

[old mountain]

cant use mana in 134F

[lofty oriole]

Idk how naivety + panic works. Do you start with 0 and then you can gain more later?

Or are you completely primed

[old mountain]

i have a feeling its completely primed (or mana gain is set to 0) and panic sets it to 0/max at the start of a room

[lofty oriole]

Also unless I’m blind, I’m surprised there’s no Familiar disabling vow. In that case Hecuba + Morrigan gaming 😂

[old mountain]

thats my understanding

[lofty oriole]

Still sounds miserable tbf tho

[marsh condor]

🗣️ foolish getting a sub 10 in 134f???

[old mountain]

morrigan without hammers would be terrible tho XD

[lofty oriole]

Like I’d rather do max fear haha

Nah I have faith in DarkOmen

They’ve done boonless 62s

[old mountain]

idk if we can pay foolish enought to attempt it XD

[marsh condor]

this gonna take ALL the goats to beat

[lofty oriole]

Don’t give him any ideas lol

[old mountain]

yeah me/j

[lofty oriole]

Everyone does 1 room each

[old mountain]

ill handle shop 4

[marsh condor]

ill handle transition rooms between regions fr

[lofty oriole]

Yeah I’ll take Arachne’s room with the onion I guess lol

[old mountain]

npcs are disabled

[lofty oriole]

Since there’s no bloody NPCs

Does it not give you the skip?

[old mountain]

i dont think itll give you the skip

[lofty oriole]

Thought it’ll just onion you or smth

[old mountain]

i think it just turns of the room

[lofty oriole]

In that case, fields becomes annoying

[marsh condor]

all these mod vows are ADDED on top of 67f btw yall

[old mountain]

we shoulf probably take this to #h2-builds-and-combat but #notamod

[lofty oriole]

2-3-miniboss-3 fields yay

True lol

[rocky steppe]

You get no magic at all, just like you cant get extra health with antler

[neon grail]

65f circe

nova flourish till promakles shop, origination in summit

[neat jewel]

Only damaged by lava and sapper pre-Summit is wild

[lofty oriole]

Juicy build 😮

[neat jewel]

An angel gains its wings every time Air Quality gets activated and actually used

[neon grail]

double arctic gale my beloved

[lofty oriole]

Sky looking hella empty rn 💀

[neat jewel]

I owe Anubis an apology

[lofty oriole]

Oh nice. We can both co-sign the apology form ⚡️

[neat jewel]

Also had to go back to blunderworld for this one lol

[lofty oriole]

Oo you got both ankh hammers too let’s goo

Also yeah I really like nexus rush on Nooby

[coarse island]

Oh sick

[neat jewel]

Was kinda salty I didn't get Master Conductor and Romantic Spark lol

[lofty oriole]

DashAtk to backdash OAttack already covers so much area and creates ghosties

[coarse island]

Gj!

[neat jewel]

But I probably would've primed out if I did

[lofty oriole]

So you can just run and crowd control 😂

[coarse island]

What’s that mod called?

[lofty oriole]

^I’d also like to know

For…research 👀

[neat jewel]

Singlehandedly carried my Scylla fight naturally

[neat jewel]

Is Anubis in your "Staff one-tricked" cause let's be honest it's barely a staff it's more like Supay + Charon

[coarse island]

Uhhhhhh. I’m decent at it. But I wouldn’t say so, no.

I mean that I’m one tricked at playing most staff’s

Not momus though.

[neat jewel]

Was just about to say Momus 67 next after birb fear lol

But you said Mel Blades next earlier iIrc

[lofty oriole]

There’s an element of Circe in it tbf

Instead of leash you have ghosties

[neat jewel]

Yeah and you double stack the cast + attack zone

[lofty oriole]

You should get yourself an epithet too 😮

[coarse island]

Yea, prob

[lofty oriole]

BLIT Z-kid

[neat jewel]

"already tired of surface"
"not doing 67"

[coarse island]

That or circus, maybe I’ll do momus one day though.

[lofty oriole]

Which 62s were you still missing?

[coarse island]

Selene, Shiva, Charon.

The worst ones lol.

[tough isle]

Every dodge build is a circus build

Is shiva really that bad

[lofty oriole]

I’d pay for Echo’s first class ticket to Olympus if I could

[neat jewel]

It's just really hard to use

[coarse island]

Uhm, it’s awkward asf to play.

[tough isle]

Oh itd be hella nice

[lofty oriole]

Charon shouldn’t be too bad at 62 thanks to DDs and Lovers. But the start is deffo rough thanks to Wards

[tough isle]

My last run got 48% dodge vs scorched foes (i.e. everyone) and an hp rebate for dodge/daze

I was gaining hp through the typhon fight

[coarse island]

Fair

Idk how you did 65 allspects

I wanna do it eventually but idk

[tough isle]

Is 65 voidspects

[lofty oriole]

Not the worst. But muscle memory can be annoying to get used to

[tough isle]

Oh, one of those

[lofty oriole]

Everything except Void4 ye

I don’t recommend it unless you have nothing better to do lol

[tough isle]

Whats void 3 used for btw

That last bit of grasp, is it for death?

[lofty oriole]

First 16 aspects or so felt okay. Last 8 were sorta Erebus and judgment dependent

[lofty oriole]

Artificer, Persistence + either Sorceress/Messenger depending if it’s an Omega wep

For aspects I’m confident with I sometimes swap out Persistence for Huntress/Furies

Like Circe

[neon grail]

beach ball kinda crazy

[lofty oriole]

Oo that looks fun

Sprint for a TK then explode the BB 😮

[neon grail]

yeah exactly, almost did the same damage as poseidon special lol

too bad i have to take pos to get one of the best legendaries in the game

[lofty oriole]

Kinda tempted to try that out tbh

Trick Ball

Break Ball

[rare parcel]

Beach Knives

[lofty oriole]

Breacher Knives

[shell meadow]

finally won with skull

[rigid dove]

WHAAAAT?! HOW DID I DO THAT SO QUICKLY?! YAY!! I can’t believe that white antler worked!

[pliant tiger]

holy prodigy

[rigid dove]

Ty!!

[pliant tiger]

67f when?

[lofty oriole]

Ayyy welcome to the 62 squad!!

[rigid dove]

Idk, that one looks scary lol.

[lofty oriole]

Now do it with a real aspect jk 🫢🫢

[rigid dove]

Ty!!

[rigid dove]

Maybe I’ll do it with Shiva.. hmm. I really like that aspect

[lofty oriole]

Don’t think we’ve had a new 62 clearer in a while

[rigid dove]

That’s cool!

How much harder is 67?

[pliant tiger]

a lot

harder than 0f to 62f

[lofty oriole]

Nah it’s free. Give it a go 😛

Tbf you’ve improved from like 0 to 62 in record time jfc

Let’s see

[rigid dove]

I might try it!

[pliant tiger]

https://giphy.com/gifs/you-are-lying-man-lie-U335adiNvcKJGdACMB

[rigid dove]

I’m just really happy that I finally did it!

[lofty oriole]

Yeah it took a month wow

[pliant tiger]

whys the victory screen not showing the thingy that indicates that 62f is ur new fear pb tho

weird

[lofty oriole]

Think they were practicing on god mode before

[pliant tiger]

interesting strat

[lofty oriole]

Idk

[rigid dove]

Yea! Just to see how hard it would be. Turns out 80% damage reduction is really good lol.

[pliant tiger]

are u gonna use same strat for 67f

[lofty oriole]

@rigid dove If you’re gonna grind for 67, how about giving Thanatos a try?

It seems pretty fun! 😄

[rigid dove]

I don’t like axe.

[rigid dove]

Uhm, maybe not? I’m used to pain 3 now.

We’ll see though!

Should I? @pliant tiger

[pliant tiger]

nah

[rigid dove]

Okay! It didn’t seem to help as much as it did before anyways so that’s probably a good idea.

[rigid dove]

Also what’s the next step to trying to beat 67 fear?

Or is it just doing 67?

[pliant tiger]

probably 65f

[crimson birch]

Good taste, comrade

65F is basically you pick a very small set of starting arcana so that you can have Judgment active and gamble for getting more arcana activated after every region (hopefully the ones you want 🥲 )

It'll give you more of a taste for the direness of Void, but of course, certainly not the full anguish

[lethal flicker]

https://youtu.be/3-WHELVmmTU Elegance, skill, precision, fleet footed. This are the wrong words to describe this build

[crimson birch]

So how much were Droplet and NL able to help with that

[lethal flicker]

Didn't seem to make much difference, had no rapid hack either

see the video linked

[crimson birch]

So it's kind of like normal Mel axe speed but you can't heave your dashes

[lethal flicker]

Actually hang on, misread

NL made a huge difference, rank 6 thanatos is silly good

at that point the droplet didn't make much ends

https://youtu.be/3-WHELVmmTU

[rigid dove]

Ooh okay! Interesting. I’ll try 65 fear a bit today. Btw thank you guys, so much for helping me out! I wouldn’t have gotten this good without y’all.

[lofty oriole]

Godspeed soldier 👏

[pliant tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-squid-game-2-cheers-happy-excited-gif-13406404385856133045

[lofty oriole]

Would be fun to predict who the next max fearer’s gonna be

[rare parcel]

Relatable, I only like Charon and even then, I don't use it very often

[pliant tiger]

the next max fear clearer is gonna be my cat

on everyones soul

[rigid dove]

Kitty

[true remnant]

First time rivals prom, all I can say is oof

Could have antlered r4

[crimson birch]

But it would have been such a shame to waste that 217 health :P

[halcyon pawn]

ares is officially my favorite god now

[true remnant]

I was rich and buying everything off Hermes prime

Turns out if you purge a first time Selene it’s 600g

[halcyon pawn]

time piece is genuinely incredible Selene protection LOL

Unless you're going for a hex build ofc

[lofty oriole]

His glowup this patch has been pretty nice. Ggz

Grievous Parray with Sanguinary must’ve been fun 😮

[halcyon pawn]

absolutely crazy how revamping his legendary to be truly legendary in nature, adding a synergy with plasma and sword drops and tinking with the gain and ring made Ares an actual fully-formed god lol

[halcyon pawn]

YES. Visceral Impact was honestly the other part of the engine in regular rooms bc every enemy was guaranteed to pop for at least one or two plasma, so you could just run around and explode to your heart's content

Not great for bossing but hey what can ya do

[lofty oriole]

It’s super powerful yeah. Man if you grabbed Heinous too the screen would’ve given you a seizure lol

What’s next on the agenda? Climbing higher fear or just fun runs 👀

[halcyon pawn]

OOOOF you're right, I tried but he gave me literally nothing to work except for thunder rush (but I wanted blinding so I skipped) and then he never appeared again lol
Honestly if I could've gotten heinous + profuse I would've been an even happier camper

[halcyon pawn]

Mostly fun runs for now I'm thinking! My personal best fear is 40 which isn't crazy high fear, but I might start pushing it up again at some point in the near future

[lofty oriole]

It be like that sometimes

40F is still pretty high. Not many peeps go beyond 16 or even 32 tbh

Plus you’re already doing Rivals 4 so you could deffo add some extra vows there 👌

[halcyon pawn]

honestly right now I just really want to get a run that shows off how busted profuse bleeding is lol, the only thing is that this is the wish list for that kind of run (and it would honestly take a literal wish come true to get all of these)
Ares attack and gain
Visceral Impact
Ares lego
Heinous
Coffin Nail
Cutting Edge

Oh and success rate and rallying cry

[rocky steppe]

@tough isle

[muted walrus]

Got the Arachne Dress achievement first try! I thought for sure it would take a bunch of attempts, but I was given all the right boons, the best hex, and the ideal dress to get the job done!

Ironically the one time I wanted Hephaestus to make an appearance and of course he doesn't show lol

[true remnant]

You inspired me but I still have axe testaments so

[olive vigil]

Have another (ares boon) (there’s 12 of em)

[neat jewel]

Almost the same build btw lol, I think I finally have babality down at the cost of nearly choking to P4

Got the P4 kill in the middle of eyeshot I thought I was dead

[true remnant]

Hand of Ares 🤤 🥺

[neon grail]

65f mel staff

[neat jewel]

No Zeus Hera respect doubled? Is that how this works?

Also how restrictive was trying to hit the nearby zone on Typhon with Flutter Flourish

[neon grail]

Ye I didn't think it would work either. But didn't reset because gigaros dash start

And first ares boon was cut above

[zenith ledge]

with strong gold-boosting boons from poseidon, hermes, and chaos, i just got over 1000 gold from one room lol. triple coin reward in tartarus for 975, then another 189 from a trove, plus however much from enemies and a golden urn 😂

maybe a new record??

haha

just realized sea star could've hypothetically given me a double (which i do have, but alas, didn't proc), so the mysterious record could easily be higher 😄

[olive vigil]

last gasp gaming

[neat jewel]

40% basically better Lion Fang if you think about it 😂

[worldly moat]

shouldve just hit athenas stubborn defiance fr

[neat jewel]

Was NOT about to Antler ts after stupidly losing a DD to memory game

[olive vigil]

now you’re thinking with portals

[olive vigil]

Had legendary in the third boat of Thessaly lol I wish I had grisly gain too oh well

Wounds supay special with henious and Zeus did the job, sadly no light smite so idk how good henious actually was lol

[tough isle]

Thats a bold choice picking the 3 armor dress

[brazen jetty]

Dodge this

[tough isle]

I got 48% dodge on my last run, hbu?

[sour widget]

Add on the fact you had blinding rush

Blinding rush proc is after dodge but still that's a 20% chance to have anything miss, due to daze, that makes it past dodge

So effectively if we count that you had 38% dodge chance then 20% of the remaining 62% misses

Then means about a 51% dodge chance effectively

[true remnant]

First time getting out of ephyra with anubis, this felt cracked but man I need to learn how to not eat s while doing it

[neat jewel]

Yeah definitely a tough one to use especially because you don't have safe and easy hitstun

[sour widget]

Yeah your only hit stun is specials

And normal special is unsafe if you're fighting armored enemies cause you can accidentally grab an enemy during their attack

And now "oh cool I just ate an intercontinental ballistic lurker"

Cause you dared to normal special them

[true remnant]

I only did that like 10 times it’s fine

[sour widget]

Usually the safest way to engage with normal special is to slap down a cast in your attack so that enemies can't be pulled all the way to you

[true remnant]

Oh the snare interacts with your yank huh

[sour widget]

The cast catches them so if you line it up right you can put down your omega attack on top of the cast

[true remnant]

Wouldn’t have expected that

[sour widget]

And then you can safely pull enemies into it

[sour widget]

Yeah the pull doesn't override the fact that cast holds enemies in place

My safety strat I've been using a lot in 62 fear is dash attacking in and dropping my cast simultaneously then dashing back with my omega attack to place it over top both of them

Then either pulling enemies into it, spamming ospec on it, or running up to activate the shades from the enemies I just killed

Works great with rapture ring or arctic ring

[true remnant]

Yeah I accidentally did some shenans with dropping the dash strike and omega attack in different places due to dashing during the charge

Would need much better micro to actually do that intentionally in a helpful way

[lofty oriole]

Wow Mutual Grievous with Flutter Moonshot. Must’ve been doing insane damage 😮

[neon grail]

Damage was really good but having to play closer range and no defensive boons exc. Hot pot made it really scary at times. I got dds in summit

[lofty oriole]

Early Lovers or were you just cracked for the first 3 regions? 😂

[neon grail]

Yea I always start with Lovers on surface 65fs run

Lovers, persistence, swift runner / sorceress

[neon grail]

uploaded the vod actually https://youtu.be/q9EGpilVQrs

[lofty oriole]

Oh ye ofc. I’m way too blunderworld pilled lmao

[lofty oriole]

Super clean Promacles

Think you only took 6 resisted hits from lovers and nitro?

[neon grail]

Idk, haven't watched it again lol

But isn't lovers + nitro = 4

[brazen jetty]

First time doing phase 2 typhon that felt harder than my fear 32 run even with my god tier build. Got Poseidon’s legendary before first boss and every duo boon I could get. Phenomenal pom run, also learned that Pom can be swapped and the bonus keeps going. Very cool.

I love Pom

[lofty oriole]

Might’ve been a few dodges actually

Clean Typhon too. I honestly should try that safe space more for tongue slam

[neon grail]

yea watched it again now. there were some daze missed

[lofty oriole]

I think I used to keep trying to hide right side

But always get hit trying to run there lol

[neon grail]

i love dashing into heracles cyclone and losing 2-3 barriers each run lmao.

[lofty oriole]

Thank god the pin ran out before P4 ended

74 health + an extra DD tho so I guess it didn’t matter too much

[brazen jetty]

Nice B)

[neon grail]

yea I use both. right side is safer since it also protects you from chronos dash but I go to the bottom one if that's closer or chronos is on right

[lofty oriole]

Ahh gotcha

Ooo crossroads updated today 😮

[brazen jetty]

Rivals I mean

[lofty oriole]

I’ve now officially peaked in H2. It’s all downhill from here now 💀💀💀

[neat jewel]

Damn it's really just you two who are crazy enough to complete 65s lol

Well and purple for surface

[neon grail]

Holy molyyy

[lofty oriole]

Yeah we both went opposite directions then neglected the other lmao

Then he proceeded to get like 8 or 9 Max fears 😂

[marsh condor]

some of yall are insane

[neat jewel]

Still waiting on those uploads lol

[lofty oriole]

It’s funny how despite doing this, I still think I’m not even Top10 of the most insane players here lmao

Those guys have gotten so good that they don’t have time to upload vods 😂

[lofty oriole]

It’ll probably never happen rip
He’s busy working on modpack stuff nowadays

[neat jewel]

Ah yes the way the game was supposed to be played, without hammer resetting

[marsh condor]

but if you can consider whether youre in the top 10 or not then thats pretty impressive

[lofty oriole]

I want my Gigaros start, TK everytime. No echo scams, all skips, Artie every time. And I don’t even wanna talk to Hades, I’ll just immediately walk into his room and insta get Deep dissent 🫢

[lofty oriole]

Oh I’m deffo not haha. I’m not a monster like them

I only do casual 65 runs 🤡

[marsh condor]

casual 65
65 is casual, dang

[lofty oriole]

Nah I’m just memeing. 65 for some aspects feel so bad 😭

[sour widget]

Post the list

I know you got that thing ready to go at a moments notice

[lofty oriole]

Ngl I thought I had it but it was the stupid arthritis tierlist 😂

Lemme search for it again lmao

[sour widget]

“Vampire Survivors Tier”

[lofty oriole]

There we go. The second worst thing I’ve ever created

I solemnly swear to never make tierlists ever again 🤚

[rotund hamlet]

why are mel/selene so low when they have such good highrolls

[lofty oriole]

Specialing with controller felt awful

I was aiming for exhaust riser builds cuz of that

[sour widget]

Obviously “free” relying on you already being consistent at 62 fear

[rotund hamlet]

gotta tap back in to my 65's, was struggling with anubis bc ive never played it

[lofty oriole]

Although I did see your Mel coat 65 and it looked hella clean

Almost damageless at like 16 minutes iirc jfc

[sour widget]

I think that’s one of the things I get tired of very often is people removing that context of what “free” means

When talking high fear

[rotund hamlet]

although i cheated so it cant be verified

[lofty oriole]

Yeah true

Heck even “high fear” is hard to define

[lofty oriole]

Yeah how dare you quit out to scam Charon of his money

You monster

[sour widget]

I mean even 40 fear is monumental by comparison to anyfear

[lofty oriole]

I guess I should rename it to “Not too bad”

[sour widget]

“Free” implies somebody can already deal with the previous level with very little difficulty

Nah you have the context you’re fine

[lofty oriole]

Or the “Best ones to start with”

[rotund hamlet]

compared to the bottom tier it's free

[lofty oriole]

If you’re kbm, I think all the coats should go there tbh

[sour widget]

I just hate when people tell me “62 is so free” like bro you clear 62’s for fun

62 is not easy

62 is one of the hardest things I’ve ever played in a game

[lofty oriole]

Think frankentas zkid and andrw all cleared coats 62-65 extremely quickly

[rotund hamlet]

i've yet to try shiva but i wouldn't have pegged it as bottom tier

[lofty oriole]

Ye it’s definitely challenging

Never gonna understate that

I genuinely struggled with Shiva 62 for a while a few months back 😂

[lofty oriole]

It just doesn’t feel nice when you’re lacking arcana

[rotund hamlet]

yo i've got 2 nights on shiva

[sour widget]

Just was why I took a break from the game for a few days was somebody telling me “Rivals Scylla is so free on 62” while I’m actively getting my ass handed to me

[rotund hamlet]

nah who's saying that 💀

[lofty oriole]

I still die to sirens at 62 with a terrible build lmao

Tho I was trying to do a Bell only run so that’s on me

[sour widget]

Even a good build it’s so easy to just choke

Until you learn the optimal responses to every attack

[lofty oriole]

Just knowing your safe spots, punish windows and knowing not to be greedy

Do I do any of that though? Nope 🫢

[sour widget]

Like yeah it’s free once you reflexively know to always dodge through Scylla and to time your dodges on Charybdis and learn safe spots and steam tank setups and Roxy patterns

Like yeah it’s free once you spend hundreds of runs learning every detail of it

[sour widget]

DM?

[lofty oriole]

It’s funny cuz I downplayed Anubis so hard and then somehow got a really comfortable build after 😵‍💫

[rotund hamlet]

i was taking hecuba on my attempts though which seems silly now

[lofty oriole]

Yeah it can work well without Hecuba

Main issue I had was that Specialling with nooby ended up being more detrimental to me than my enemies lol

Esp with weird fang combos (clanger, bruiser, wind, spiller etc)

[rotund hamlet]

hey thats exactly my experience too

the suck is so strong

[pliant tiger]

gotta be one of the worst takes oat

[sour widget]

Rivals Scylla is free if you just… do the million things that make avoiding the storm of BS somewhat consistent

[pliant tiger]

who tf saying that shi anyway

[rotund hamlet]

surely you atp, wr every other day

[shell meadow]

rivals scylla screws me up so bad

but rivals cerb is so free i just have to suck it up

[sour widget]

There’s a reason rivals Scylla is considered anywhere between top 3 and top 1 hardest bosses in the game

[shell meadow]

i need to learn rivals chronos better but i dont wanna deal with scylla

[lofty oriole]

Imagine if you could just choose which ones you wanna fight

[neon grail]

I think this is my unrivaled bosses tier list

and this is for keepsakes

[lofty oriole]

Wow yeah. Pretty solid

I’d only put Typhon higher myself cuz I’m less experienced

But that’s just skill issue lol

[sour widget]

Typhon is skill-check incarnate

Father of all skill-checks

[lofty oriole]

Experimental Hammer I’ll put D cuz it never gives me anything good lol

[sour widget]

Also respect for not ranking god keepsakes

Except Heph deserves to be up there

[lofty oriole]

Yeah legit

[sour widget]

Cause he’s a decent take for safety in R3

[lofty oriole]

Heph has somewhat of a useful role in R3 ye

Still debate whether it’s better/more consistent to take Heph over Sash

Since there’s Forfeit and no guarantee for Heavy metal/Trusty

[sour widget]

I’d say overall yeah I agree with this tier list other than not having a S+ John Pork tier

[lofty oriole]

F- Tier after Frei’s Moros run gave her Wayward son and Centaur

[sour widget]

I think Calling Card gets a ton of unwarranted hate

Like it’s insanely good in the situations it’s good in

I’ve seen it in D and F tier as if it was useless

[lofty oriole]

In the runs I’ve used it, it’s been super good

Though it’s not very often

[sour widget]

But like… so is gorgon if you just don’t use all your DD’s

I’ve gotten a heroic success rate on runs with grievous, froth, vital signs and divine vengeance

That thing was GODLY and only possible because of calling card

Calling card has some niche uses but those niche uses are amazing

So when you do want to use it it’s great

[bronze kayak]

Absolutely stacked jpom medea run

[brazen jetty]

Gotta at least run rivals 4 with end game keepsakes. Poor chronos.

[rocky steppe]

<@&456908176877551658>

[sour widget]

We out here just... not using familiars?

[marsh condor]

they were running Vow of Loneliness, it works like void and makes you unable to use familiars
(trust me bro)

[graceful epoch]

New meta, there's more visual clarity when the familiar doesn't cover your screen

[rare parcel]

I don't understand the hate for things like Fleece and the Eye tbh

Also, the Bell should be on E tier, for Eris!

[sour widget]

Fleece and Eye are garbage because other things do the same job objectively better

In every way

If you're taking so much damage that fleece is active you might as well take a safety keepsake, and if you want damage you might as well take fang

Eye ONLY works on the target, so rooms leading up to whatever boss get no bonus

And you have to have eye set up on the target for it to even work

On chronos it's only 5% extra damage

and 10% extra on typhon

And to go back to fleece, it's ONLY omega damage, while fang is GLOBAL

Fleece and Eye are bottom tier because you have literally no reason to use them over Fang or Antler for a damage keepsake

Unless you are going for an omega damage only run or something

[rare parcel]

I tend to use it on the final region, and at this point I don't have a problem with other encounters, so I don't mind not having a damage bonus against them

And compared with Fang, when I arrive to them, the damage bonus is already less than the one I'd have used Fang

And my damage taken against Chronos/Typhon still arive to the 100, there is no way I'm taking Antler

[neat jewel]

Fleece only use case is like Nergal

[rare parcel]

Or Charon, any build that goes heavy on Omega attacks, really

[sour widget]

Okay but like... just fang

[thorn wolf]

droplet on charon is better imo, especially if you don't have racing thoughts

[sour widget]

Channel speed on charon makes certain techs impossible

There's a "double dip" you can do where you can drop two casts with giga cleaver or exceptional talent and you can't do that if you take channel speed

[neat jewel]

Problem with Fleece on Charon compared to Nergal is you're less likely to have taken enough damage to activate it on Charon (not me though cause I suck on Charon)

[sour widget]

Sudden cleaver bricks that tech

[sour widget]

if fleece didn't require me to take 250 damage it might be sorta maybe decent

[thorn wolf]

if I don't have exceptional talent or giga cleaver I take droplet

[sour widget]

I know I'm just saying why it isn't always just a default choice

Even if it's better than fang in some use cases

[thorn wolf]

yeah fair

[rare parcel]

Eh, more often than not I have taken that damage by Region 4

Because I'm not good at this game, obviously

[sour widget]

Okay but the keepsake tier list that frankentas posted is also based on high fear generally

[neat jewel]

Yeah when you see a tier list by someone who plays 62-65 it's naturally not gonna apply to everyone

[sour widget]

The balance gets massively shifted when you consider different fear levels

At 40 fear? why tf are you taking silken sash or ghost onion

You don't need that crap just go heal scum aphrodite or demeter or something you don't even have scars on

At low fear? Knucklebones is borderline worthless

No hubris? why do you need silver wheel

So on and so forth

The reason fleece is where it is is because if you're even able to activate it then there's already a problem

[valid echo]

Where is that tier list posted just curious to see

[sour widget]

Scroll up

Only thing I'd change is placing heph somewhere since he's a viable region 3 pick for a chance at trust shield or heavy metal

I assume the keepsakes also aren't strictly sub-ranked within the tiers

[lean rivet]

way too close for comfort despite having a broken af build, i'm just so bad with this weapon

[sour widget]

Holy giga trickslop

[lean rivet]

only way i can go past r2 with this weapon

[lofty oriole]

There’s about 3 if you scroll up lol

[valid echo]

Yeah my b I only scrolled up like 3 messages

[lofty oriole]

Mostly subjective anyways since it’s with a 62-65F mentality

[old quartz]

FIRST WIN EVER WITH MELINOË. It was cathartic

[lofty oriole]

Yoooo Treaper knives W. Congrats 👏

[valid echo]

I’m working on 50f right now and it seems to be pretty similar to how I’d rank them. Time isn’t ever really an issue in r4 at 50 though so antler isn’t as important

[lofty oriole]

Cathartic is certainly a word for that clip. Ggz 👏 👏

[lofty oriole]

This your second 62?

[lean rivet]

7th i think

[lofty oriole]

Sheeesh didn’t even realise you had more

I only remember the Mel staff dream dive

[lean rivet]

mel staff, circe, mel skull (lost the recording 🥀), nergal, mel blades, nyx, mel staff on surface

oh yeah, mel staff dream dive

[muted walrus]

It was definitely a gamble. But the other dresses offered didn't have much armor anyways, and the scaling damage bonus gave me the highest potential to end fights before I could take much damage

[lofty oriole]

Yooo howling soul Charon let’s go 😮

I’m honestly unsure whether I prefer ranged cast Charon builds or to just do the buffer dash away tech

[rare parcel]

I had Howling Soul Charon once, and it really helped against Chronos. I think it's mostly worth it on bosses that move more erratically

[lofty oriole]

Yeah definitely. Howling is great against P3

[glass moth]

first surface 50f clear i think im a circe one trick

[lofty oriole]

Woooo another 50F clearer

[lofty oriole]

@coarse island Someone’s out to steal your one trick epithet 🫢

[coarse island]

It’s war now

I’m the true Circe one-trick!!

[coarse island]

Or.. I could teach them the ways of the Circe lol.

[halcyon pawn]

I'm honestly pretty bad with circe lmao, do you mostly just go for storm ring go brrrr or what?

[lofty oriole]

That’s precisely what we do yuss

Storm ring, double strike, static shock and that’s your build

Then for your attacks/specials you can put almost anything. Zeus/Hera/Heph feel the nicest imo

[carmine canyon]

fine line 👍 40 magic cast every 0.5s

[idle cliff]

cast spamming goes insane

[coarse island]

No Hestia?

[lofty oriole]

I don’t really like her unless I get Pyro and/or Mirrored

And I’d usually hunt for Melting instead

If I rolled Mirrored first then it changes and I’d actively search for Hestia 😂

[coarse island]

Fair ig

Idk, she good tho

[glass moth]

won with crimson dress

[shell meadow]

what the hell is harm for the afflicted

[thorn wolf]

it's a curse from medea

basically when you inflict a curse on an enemy (that doesn't already have the curse) then you deal 50 damage

[shell meadow]

ohh

i didnt read the name when i picked it up 😭

[true remnant]

Honestly it got me in trouble right after I took it. It’s not great on trash, if it flies off screen and you miss with special you’re gonna have a bad few seconds. But worked fine on boss

[lofty oriole]

Oof yeah. It’s deffo a lot worse on controller compared to simply clicking where you want it to go 😭

[shell meadow]

first dream dive done

had a very easy order of bosses

[brazen jetty]

Took 1k damage during my first rivals 4 typhon fight last night lol. Poseidon carried, had his legendary by the 4th room with poms it was nuts.

[small slate]

1st time doing full vow of rivals typhon! & with a aspect of melinoe torches which I rarely ever use!

[desert moon]

vanilla 32 fear dream dive and the build ended up looking more like my modded 0 fear fun runs lol

[brazen jetty]

First time doing rivals 4 chronos he bopped me with that new freeze instakill luckily I wasn’t playing strength or that would have been gg.

[coral hamlet]

Unplanned last grasp run 😁

[true remnant]

Goldwraith moment

[true remnant]

frenzy2 rivals4

[neat jewel]

Wow for a first attempt that is no damage

[worldly moat]

shoutout the 85 from talos

[true remnant]

I did so well on him except he threw the shields and my brain was like but what if you ran directly into them

I was even all the way across the room

I was in my zone on promecles, bullied that lion man so hard

[worldly moat]

the only time i ever take damage on the guy is when he throws both shields and they randomly decide to have the same coordination as a pro valorant team and randomly take a hard left into me

[true remnant]

Yeah it was kind of like that

[worldly moat]

doing rivals prom well feels so cool

i think on my 65f clear i did it without dropping lovers

[true remnant]

Prom himself is so ignorable

That was my mistake on my first rivals 3 attempt, I was going for prom and getting absolutely wrecked by Heracles doing his nonsense

[neat jewel]

Common strat without Hitch and with good timer is to kill Prometheus first actually

[true remnant]

Heracles bullied me during Simon says when I tried that my first attempt

But it was nyx coat or something idr, I ate tons of s

[neat jewel]

Was he phased

[true remnant]

Don’t remember. Just remember him chasing me around while
I’m trying to memorize things 😭

[worldly moat]

yeah i tend to focus prom and then hit lion man during the simon says game

[true remnant]

I guess Heracles is more chill if he’s still p1?

[worldly moat]

yeah p1 you can kinda just ignore him

[true remnant]

Hmm

[worldly moat]

p2 you actualy have to worry about the aoe stuff

[sour widget]

P2 gives him stuff like projectiles after his whirlwind

Usually he just goes and has spinny time in a corner and you can ignore him if he’s still phase 1

But his phase 2 gives you more to keep track of

[true remnant]

[neat jewel]

Though I can't remember the last time I did that because my timer is always dead lol

[worldly moat]

yeah if timer is mean enough you dont get time to just ignore one of em

[ember trellis]

"How much instance of 50 damage are you doing?"
"yes"

[true remnant]

AQ so fun

[pliant tiger]

fun little dash and sprint only run

[west minnow]

the soup in soupay stands for Sholy Ohell Ublitz Pisbroken

[pliant tiger]

not a typical victory but after taking a long break from max fear im back in the game and i just got the most legendary prom entry time oat (i died to prom shortly after cuz im rusty asf)

[peak crane]

noice

[neat jewel]

I had to leave for a class after Cerberus lol, luckily I got Onyx Dress so it was fine for me to play like crap vs Hecate

I really should've just used Pin to be safe cause certain midphase Hecate patterns would just kill me with Antler lol

[lofty oriole]

W regions 👏

We take those

[peak crane]

why you hating on Charon

[neat jewel]

Seems like every time I end up trying Dream Dive 62 I'm just waiting until I get these four lol

[pliant tiger]

gotta get the mel skull 65f surface first before max fear

[neat jewel]

Damn does SHadow Pounce affect Pee Array

[pliant tiger]

yes bro

[lofty oriole]

Cuz he sucks

[peak crane]

why

[lofty oriole]

Yoooo good time

[peak crane]

why do he suck

[pliant tiger]

also idk how i got that fast of a time when i exited thessaly at 7:55 💀

[lofty oriole]

He promotes capitalism 😛

[pliant tiger]

also no furies until olympus and no origination until summit

[lofty oriole]

Jkjk. It’s cuz I had trouble doing Charon on 65 Fear lol

[peak crane]

ahhh

seeems like a

skill issue

lol

[lofty oriole]

Frfr

[lofty oriole]

How much does onyx give in R4 140?

[neat jewel]

Why are there (at least) 2 12 minute surface 65 clears but only 1 14 minute uw 65 clear lol