Most of my damage taken happens when yhe camera glues in place to show typhon's body parts
#h2-builds-and-combat
low bough
opal pecan
The way that the camera sometimes pulls around in the long Thessaly boats, the disorienting zoom-in on smaller chambers, the frickin hand of Typhon or whatever -- yeah
opal pecan
Leave my gd camera alone >:( I'm using that >:( I literally can't see without it >:(
cedar scroll
low bough
Its strange because im sure it was intended to ensure we cant miss the pop in
cedar scroll
WRONG ONE AGAIN
low bough
But it does the opposite
cedar scroll
whatever
low bough
The audio cue is plenty
opal pecan
Its strange because im sure it was intended to ensure we cant miss the pop in
There's a bigass AOE indicator! It's plenty noticeable!
low bough
Dont confiscate my camera
opal pecan
I would even literally rather have a colour filter or some other visual effect added, despite the already busy nature of the visual effects, than have the camera screwed with
opal pecan
Something with enough value change or other effect that it works for colourblindness as well
But yeah. No camera-yoinking.
opal pecan
IDR tbh
low bough
H2 had its own bullet hell problems tho lol
I still remember that asophdel witch fight
Either you had divine dash or you dps checked them
opal pecan
THAT one I do remember
low bough
Thats why H1 weps could destroy projectiles
Deadass, i forgot how to use divine dash since its so rare and not rly relevant in hades 2
verbal whale
"it was your brothers favorite" 🥹🥹🥹
low bough
"Safe choice"
quick spindle
Is it just me or does anyone else use the Unseen card in all their builds?
Restoring Magick automatically has been essentially to how I do all my runs lol
magic grove
Is it just me or does anyone else use the Unseen card in all their builds?
it's usually never run
it only restores when you're not charging an omega and it's a slow recharge, also costs too much grasp
it's much better to just grab a gain boon
an exception is some people like it on eos for high fear like 62 since it means you're not dependant on getting a good gain early and makes the first region go smoother
i think the main issue is costing too much grasp tbh maybe if it was like 1 grasp it would be good in more aspects lol
spiral wadi
nope
ares cast on circe is kinda just OK cuz it does do poke dmg, but u should prob take froth cast since it's instant, it stacks, and applies a status effect
tranquil ore
damn :( double swords would be cool
tranquil ore
dark side goes hard with circe tho
spiral wadi
didn't they "fix" all casts with Circe?
did they?
the way sword ring works is that it creates a sword whenever an enemy is ensnared in any cast
so two casts still only count as enemy being snared once
manic shuttle
Ye only sword ring is problematic with circe at the moment afaik
manic shuttle
Yea they only have the budget to fix one cast per patch
magic grove
my bad I thought they fixed it, but what they fixed was tidal ring right?
well, that's not gonna stop me from doing funny falling blades builds
wanton gale
How do u guys set up a moros build? I was thinking ;
Zeus special
Hera attack
Apollo magick recovery
Poseidon cast
Would this be a nice setup ?
zenith olive
been having an awesome experience on my dream dives for sure! first one got cerb then tiphon and now for the second one got tartarus first area!!!!
low bough
Its kind of crazy how gutted he is considering he was the last god added
zenith olive
been having an awesome experience on my dream dives for sure! first one got cerb...
like come on game
tranquil ore
Average response when asked "Should I use Ares for..."
he has such good secondary boons tho
i love having him on a circe run
but not as a core member
tranquil ore
ill never complain about ares showing up later on once im set up
low bough
Hes one of the only source of ramping buffs in the game with that plasma
But damn, wounds are ass
tranquil ore
i miss doom and merciful end :(
low bough
I read wounds as +50 power for attacks for the next 3 seconds
Turns out its just 50 extra damage every 3 seconds lol
magic grove
Average response when asked "Should I use Ares for..."
hop off ares is goated
low bough
i miss doom and merciful end :(
Hep boom is kinda like doom
tranquil ore
Hep boom is kinda like doom
ive always compared blitz to doom more
magic grove
How do u guys set up a moros build? I was thinking ;
Zeus special
Hera attack
A...
apollo regen can work for moros but if youre going for omega spam with fine line / ocean swell / cut above you need a stronger regen. Hera is the best regen
tranquil ore
Also kinda rough his blades hit once per second
kinda cool with the heph duo
low bough
Whats the hep duo again
tranquil ore
blades proc instantly
wanton gale
apollo regen can work for moros but if youre going for omega spam with fine line...
Yeah i noticed. I was out multiple times, never had that issue with apollos with charon but i guess moros is more demanding
tranquil ore
combined with double blades with the apollo duo
magic grove
Whats the hep duo again
falling blades fall down immediatly and do more damage
low bough
So is it just wounds thats ass
magic grove
wounds is okay
tranquil ore
So is it just wounds thats ass
pretty much
low bough
Cuz he really does not feel as good as the other gods
tranquil ore
he’s great a secondary imo
low bough
It sucks because +50 power has genuine potential
zenith olive
I dont like wounds too but I love everything else from him
low bough
Since that would scale crit damage
magic grove
Yeah i noticed. I was out multiple times, never had that issue with apollos with...
apollo on charon is infinite mana glitch since the omega casts activated with the aspect give you mana haha, but for other omega heavy aspects you need stronger gains
tranquil ore
imagine if poms upgraded the power instead of the % damage
magic grove
It sucks because +50 power has genuine potential
the main issue with wounds is how it interacts with wards and the fact that the base ares boons have a low %
wanton gale
apollo regen can work for moros but if youre going for omega spam with fine line...
So better to do
Zues spec
Hera attack and regen
low bough
Would be a funny ares keepsake, none of that % stuff
magic grove
So better to do
Zues spec
Hera attack and regen
yep
low bough
the main issue with wounds is how it interacts with wards and the fact that the ...
Also why is Ares damage scaling so bad
He doesnt have anywhere close to demeter utility to warrant it
magic grove
Also why is Ares damage scaling so bad
i guess they were a bit afraid of the effectiveness of wounds
wanton gale
apollo on charon is infinite mana glitch since the omega casts activated with th...
Oh sweet never knew that but it explaines why i could spam it indefinetly hehe
low bough
A whopping +50 power every 3 seconds oof
If it was +50 power for the next 3 seconds worth of strikes thatd cook
magic grove
A whopping +50 power every 3 seconds oof
its not bad. +50 power for the next 3 seconds would be insanely busted
magic grove
it would be significantly stronger than any other effect in the game
low bough
Would it be? Wouldnt blitz still be stronger, and a few others
magic grove
What more would you go for ? Omega damage?
yeah, fine line from hera is super cool and so is ocean swell from poseidon, then you can go for their duo
wanton gale
yeah, fine line from hera is super cool and so is ocean swell from poseidon, the...
Zeus hera duo?
magic grove
Would it be? Wouldnt blitz still be stronger, and a few others
+50 power for 3 seconds on a fast hitting weapon with other bonuses would go INSANE
magic grove
Zeus hera duo?
poseidon hera
low bough
I swear every time I try to farm ambrosia poseidon refuses to give me the double up boon
low bough
+50 power for 3 seconds on a fast hitting weapon with other bonuses would go INS...
Do yall play around the plasma btw
magic grove
wounds extra power is strong in some aspects, for example medea since the aspect gives you %dmg
wanton gale
poseidon hera
Sweet
magic grove
shiva as well
low bough
I used it for nergal axe and than axe, but not much else, tho I hear itd be good with coat
magic grove
plasma is significantly better this patch, ares in general actually
low bough
wounds extra power is strong in some aspects, for example medea since the aspect...
Medea is ravall skull right
magic grove
grisly gain can be enough even for aspects like moros which is SURPRISING
low bough
plasma is significantly better this patch, ares in general actually
How was plasma before
magic grove
How was plasma before
patch 2 buffed some ares boons
magic grove
grisly gain for example used to give you a fixed amount of magic per plasma and poms just increased the chance of plasma drop, profuse bleeding was completely different as well
low bough
Man I miss doom
austere trail
isn't that just blitz?
wanton gale
poseidon hera
Looked at the requirements for it so this would be a good setup
Zeus spec
Hera attack and regen and fine line
Poseidon tidal ring and ocean swell
Duo poseidon hera
flint widget
ok bro chronos just did some bs time slow into quadruple dash, that costed me sub 10 62f 💔
low bough
Mechanically yes, but doom looks cooler
magic grove
Looked at the requirements for it so this would be a good setup
Zeus spec
Hera ...
yea good overall build plan
wanton gale
yea good overall build plan
Thank you for your help
flint widget
ok bro chronos just did some bs time slow into quadruple dash, that costed me su...
its ok tho we go again
magic grove
you're gonna shred this build is super strong and my favorite build if you pull everything off
anyway yeah i think ares is very good now
magic grove
its not really good unless you get the duos yeah but honestly not the worst cast in the game i would say
low bough
Whos got the worst
magic grove
the damage is high and at least you can make it better somehow
heph cast unless youre doing winners circle shenanigans is really worthless
low bough
What surprised me tbh was how solid hep is for offense
Huh, really?
I love hep cast, whys it bad?@
Granted damage isnt in one go, but the damage is good
magic grove
i'm not a coat main 😭
low bough
Too busy zoomin
austere trail
?
zenith olive
who needs to plan builds beforehand i just go in and take what looks like the best
low bough
you cant make it better even with other boons
I guess its also like the opposite, you dont need to invest in it further too
magic grove
I guess its also like the opposite, you dont need to invest in it further too
right but why would i pick instead of a cast that applies a curse or deals crazy damage
low bough
I use hep a lot to offset my damage reqs while building myself up in a layer of boon bubblewrap
magic grove
only good thing about heph cast is the interaction with winners circle or circe things and its not even strong its just funny
austere trail
clang clang clang clang clang
magic grove
I use hep a lot to offset my damage reqs while building myself up in a layer of ...
heph boons can be insane with rarity
low bough
Also random aside I struggle with hep displease
magic grove
but i usually only go for his defensive boons
austere trail
hera usually
magic grove
demeter
austere trail
I also don't like pissing off apollo
wanton gale
yea good overall build plan
What boon would u go for first ? Zeus, pos or hera?
frail wyvern
I never piss off hera.
magic grove
What boon would u go for first ? Zeus, pos or hera?
hera since you want like 3 boons from her, actually you want 4 if you can (hereditary bane is always good)
low bough
Whats hera do again
magic grove
she's the core god for moros and on speedruns you usually start with her keepsake
austere trail
fine line basically
low bough
I forgot her anger thing cuz i genuinely never got her mad at me
magic grove
500 fine lines centered on you
low bough
Lmfao
magic grove
its not that hard to dodge tbh, demeter is the one i hate cause it denies SO much space
austere trail
I think my main thing with hera is the visual clutter, my eyes suck
low bough
Im horrible at reading those hammers
I miss when dio just sent purple glons at you and called it a day
tranquil ore
Im horrible at reading those hammers
that is actually so tough
i always get hit by em
night lagoon
Whats hera do again
Triple Fine Lines
She's also the only one who gets catty about it the next run
frail wyvern
Best ax advice/tips?
halcyon kelp
Seconding that question. I just got the hidden aspect and while I am impressed, I worry about how slow it is 
Like it surely kills most foes with a single hit, but how am I ever land a hit when it is so heavy and slow. Thoughts of Daedalus and prays to Hermes, I guess oTL
crude comet
Suggestion to have this chat split into rooms for each weapon. Dont need one for each aspect but a split by weapon seems like it would make sense.
wild drift
Like it surely kills most foes with a single hit, but how am I ever land a hit w...
Use dash-strikes and the omega attack
halcyon kelp
Noted, thanks! I do need to practice my dash-strikes, I normally don't use them much. This is a good excuse to integrate them better
dense haven
Is there a consensus on which duo boon is better with the new profuse bleeding? Apollo or Heph?
wild drift
I think Coffin Nail is better for all blades
bronze flax
I'd aim for Heph one always because the immediate drop increases the DPS so much
dense haven
Do blades stack and go into a "queue"? Or is it plasma is wasted if there is already a blade ready to drop
wild drift
Pretty sure there's an internal cooldown of some sort
mystic mango
Do blades stack and go into a "queue"? Or is it plasma is wasted if there is alr...
There's an internal .9 second cooldown before another blade from the same boon can be placed on an enemy
You can stack different boons on enemies for blades, so cut above and profuse can activate at the same time
Coffin nail reduces the cooldown for a blade from the same boon to .35 seconds
So you can hit an enemy with the same blades boon significantly more times, thus massively increasing DPS with the blades on weapons like torches or axe that hit pretty rapidly with omegas
I want to say that it lines up about with the attack speed of axe whirlwind so you can get a cut above blade on almost every single hit
low bough
Best ax advice/tips?
Dash attack, the omega special is also rly good
round olive
I'm sure that this is all old pat for you players who are great and the game and don't need god mode resist but...
I BEAT VOW OF RIVALS TYPHON
If I can manage that, I'm like 70% sure I can beat Vow Chronos
wild drift
Many people say Chronos is harder, I find Typhon harder right now though
uneven palm
I’d say Rivals Chronos is harder to learn but more “fair.” Typhon’s just got that wack phase 4 where it’s pure chaos
low bough
Phase 4 is where you spend hp instead of brainpower
wild drift
I’d say Rivals Chronos is harder to learn but more “fair.” Typhon’s just got tha...
Yeah few unfair things in Chronos are P2 P3 timeslows and some no-windup attacks, Typhon P4 can just cover the entire screen with sht
low bough
I find chronos a pain in phase 3 because the tempo changes so much
Do ||both chronoses|| have hurtboxes btw
wild drift
No you can only damage ||the real one||
low bough
How can you identify them
wild drift
And you should just run away while ||the clone is out|| anyway
low bough
I did that yeah
I did that fight for the ending and genuinely learned nothing
Was too busy tryna survive and completely missed the free death defiances
wild drift
||Clonos|| has more of a yellowish look and has some distortion on him when he moves I think?
uneven palm
The clone has like a black glow all about him
low bough
Ahh thanks
wild drift
But yeah it doesn't really matter since you just run when that happens unless you're really up against the timer and need a hail mary or you used Pin/Unseen Ire/etc
uneven palm
Yeah. Do not engage when Clonos is about
low bough
I ran in circles too because I had no clue what the punish window was
wild drift
Well I guess it matters a little because ||Clonos|| doesn't do the quadruple dash-slash at midphase I think? Maybe that's only with Deep Dissent I can't remember
opal pecan
Howling Soul: "This is my moment"
opal pecan
For HS? No, it's just you can spam that at gramps from a safe distance and then run like hell while your DoT cast chips him
round olive
Typhon 4 might be the most terrfired I've been playing Hades 2 so far tbh. Even though I knew what would happen because youtube videos, seeing ||Chronos|| up there too still shook me more then I thought it would. Doubly so given the ||fakeout.|| And I somehow missed in those videos that ||Chronos shows up INSTEAD OF ZEUS to mess you up further||
Thank god the ||Fakeout|| phase isn't actualy all that heavy if you can get past the circle. You do that and all he can do is weakly try and hit you with his chin.
low bough
I love how even the game references it
Odysseus asks her how the fight went and she basically went "I decked him in the chin a lot."
opal pecan
(No need to spoilertag things in this specific channel btw)
Ah, Mel, you have many talents but poetry is not one of them
low bough
Mel did grow on me
opal pecan
I love her, what a dork
round olive
Someone else tagged me litteraly today about spoiling them in spoiler chat because of a misclick, so I'm probably going to be extra cautios for the rest of the day.
low bough
Shes daddy's lil prep girl versus zag's goofy college bro
round olive
/:
low bough
Someone else tagged me litteraly today about spoiling them in spoiler chat becau...
Hey ||Hades is in this game||
round olive
NO
low bough
Gu Dong
round olive
You ruined it for me
0/10 games, ||Hades|| is in Hades 2, how could they do this to me
low bough
Ikr!
opal pecan
The real problem is that there is ||only ONE Hades||. The game is HADES 2
low bough
I remember one of the funnier mel moments was here going "You were testing my integrity, werent you! Thank you, but I shall not dishonor both of us, commander."
Also Moros catching strays when he says "Let me know if im being a burden" and Hecate replies "Gods you're just like her."
opal pecan
I think she is not really preppy but rather she is super 乖
low bough
My mandarin is out of practice
opal pecan
Like, she's a good kid who doesn't make trouble
low bough
Also the rule abider
opal pecan
(even when, sometimes, she should <- this bit is me editorializing, not the word definition)
opal pecan
Arachne sitting there like "I can't believe I fell in love with this straitlaced GODDESS"
low bough
Scylla feeling the same, but in all caps
opal pecan
More swearing
low bough
A scylla romance woulda been peak
round olive
They had to make Mel a rule abider otherwise the Surface run shops from olympus onward would be broken as hell what with her stealing thousands in gold with noone to stop her
low bough
"Wow Charon, thank you for the gold!"
A scylla romance would be peak
Its just 8 fishing trips
bronze flax
Many people say Chronos is harder, I find Typhon harder right now though
I'd say Chronos is harder because the difficulty feels more "spread out"
On Typhon I feel all the difficulty comes up at the last phase and babality 
bronze flax
More swearing
And two songs
I can't believe Scylla invented toxic yuri yearning
round olive
I HAVE NOW BEATEN VOW OF RIVALS CHRONOS TOO
I know I am using God Mode. I don't care. As far as I'm concenred beating both final vow bosses is a feat at all.
low bough
No one was gonna say otherwise
round olive
Anyway, do I get, like, dialogue for killing both or something? I don't need much just someone, anyone, going "Holy crap you beat both vow of rivals max, good job, now get onto doing night's champion slacker"
fleet kite
Well, one of them doesn’t really talk
round olive
No I mean from everyone else
fleet kite
But I’m sure there’s some one off lines you’ll hear
verbal whale
There's not much dialogue for rivals 4, though I do love Chronos' banter with Mel during each rivals typhon encounter.
And some funny/weird foreshadowing, or at least it would be if it was still available before the credits like in early access.
bronze flax
Anyway, do I get, like, dialogue for killing both or something? I don't need muc...
You get dialogue from Selene about that
broken lichen
Is it possible to double proc Rude Awakening with Chain Reaction?
What's the best way to do it?
opal pecan
Multiple Daze sources, I guess? Use one for the first proc and the second for the second? Or Light Smite while you're tanking quick damage?
broken lichen
I have no sense on how fast Chain Reaction does the second blast or how fast Light Smite procs (though I do have a feeling it's instant on that one)
viral yew
Idk fast you could reapply daze
opal pecan
Smite is pretty fast
spiral wadi
light smite has like a very small time between hit on each enemy
kinda negligible
chain reaction iirc is a 2sec window after it comes off cooldown so fairly generous just blast asap
broken lichen
chain reaction iirc is a 2sec window after it comes off cooldown so fairly gener...
I meant more like the time between the double donks
spiral wadi
oh yea double donk is 1sec i think
fleet kite
Would an Apollo cast on the ground not instantly reapply?
viral yew
Would an Apollo cast on the ground not instantly reapply?
I don't know
broken spoke
Isn't apollo cast apply daze on cast
viral yew
Isn't apollo cast apply daze on cast
Yes, but would it reapply in between the heph blasts from the duo
glossy jetty
just unlocked supay and... what the hell..?
any quick tips before i comb the pin or die to eris?
fleet kite
Yeah I just unlocked it and it’s very odd
alpine raft
just flat damage or hitch really
wild drift
As with most weapons just put a soup of Zeus Hera Hestia Poseidon Hephaestus on your boons and you're golden
glossy jetty
good thing i pulled posiedon, hestia, AND zeus on my first try
surely i cant screw up the run 
glossy jetty
#h2-victory-boasting message kinda funny how it was my quickest run to date with a damageless chronos
i am now supay fan number one
glossy jetty
run clockwise around anything you want dead, dash through the thing if you have someone like posiedon or aphrodite on rush
admittedly i think i just got carried by my luck and build considering i pulled nitro boost
but yk, yeah
run around and keep a reasonable distance
round olive
Welp, I would like to ask if I absolutely need to get the last night's champion for all achviements/trophies/100%, or if I can chill out and, like, not DO that. As Mel said, my self worth is not tied to wanting a fancy golden buff statue unless I HAVE to.
viral yew
Welp, I would like to ask if I absolutely need to get the last night's champion ...
You don't need the third statue, but you need all testaments done
round olive
Also, I have not got a single bloody hidden aspect yet. Am I just unlucky or do I need to fully upgrade every other aspect first or something
round olive
You don't need the third statue, but you need all testaments done
Considering the highest I've seen so far is 10 and I can get 4 from two relatively easy vow of rivals fights, I think I will be fine.
viral yew
Considering the highest I've seen so far is 10 and I can get 4 from two relative...
Goes up to 20
round olive
Goes up to 20
Welp, bugger. Better go looking up guides for good testiment runs.
viral yew
Also, I have not got a *single* bloody hidden aspect yet. Am I just unlucky or d...
need all 3 aspects and a non mel aspect at lvl 5
viral yew
Welp, bugger. Better go looking up guides for good testiment runs.
check the pins
round olive
need all 3 aspects and a non mel aspect at lvl 5
For the all 3 aspects, do you mean unlocked, or fullu upgraded? Because i have them all unlocked and it's just a matter of leveling a non mel aspect
viral yew
For the all 3 aspects, do you mean *unlocked*, or fullu upgraded? Because i have...
Unlocked
lyric summit
https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/1233146305308528650/150038118154...
It’s a fun aspect! A bit weak to start with but p high damage ceiling with the right boons 👌
grim current
Does Winner's Circle dissonate with any other boons anymore besides maybe Furies & Lethal Snare?
surreal hazel
Does Winner's Circle dissonate with any other boons anymore besides _maybe_ Furi...
used to have more anti-synergies, but they've largely fixed them now
used to conflict with supernova but I'm told they fixed that
grim current
I would hope Winner's Circle accelerates Prominence Flare's expansion rate just as it always did with Demeter's Ring.
surreal hazel
I would _hope_ Winner's Circle accelerates **Prominence Flare's** expansion rate...
You're confusing boons
Why on earth would winner's circle do that?
grim current
The wiki, which still has the record of pre-update Winner's Circle (unless I'm missing that we're using wiki gg now), & mentions that it increases the attack speed of Demeter's Ring.
surreal hazel
it does that, yes, but that happens during the cast
Prominence flare is a projectile spawned separately after the omega cast detonates, so it's unaffected
and you said expansion rate, prominence flare doesn't expand at all
Are you thinking of super nova?
surreal hazel
Names are names, easily done
but if you do mean supernova, then apparently yes, it does now expand faster
surreal hazel
It was always crazy strong, now it's weaker but actually consistent
the only real complaint I have is that this makes storm ring even stronger and it didn't need that help
wild drift
AND it nerfed Tidal Solar Sword Ring too lol but I love making Zeus even stronger tbh
surreal hazel
yeah, from the numbers reduction all lump sum casts took a hit
Tidal, solar, engagement, sword.... anvil's an odd case
Anvil's hammer strikes now go faster, but old WC still gave you three hammer strikes and so you could overlap them
grim current
I'm glad Super Nova & Aphrodite's Ring, favored boons of mine, now work in favor of Winner's Circle.
It's also nice that I'm not longer obliged to increase Hestia's Ring's apply Scorch to 100, but instead simply equip Winner's Circle to ensure Scorch is present for Origination & Hot Pot.
surreal hazel
Are you aware that +% cast damage bonuses affect smolder ring?
surreal hazel
it doesn't change the damage scorch does, but it amplifies how much scorch is applied
only cast damage bonuses do this, global ones just improve the damage scorch does
so you can use those to tip smolder ring over 100 scorch/sec
grim current
Yay for non-scattered triggering of Origination & Hot Pot!
-# (Well, if Hestia's Ring happened to be one of two applicable statuses this run).
surreal hazel
Smolder ring is a solid choice generally tbh
Excellent AoE damage and a curse in one boon makes it great at any fear level
and it's a big middle finger to Vow of Wards
grim current
I agree. It's a good option for when the weapon has a slow attack/special damage instance rate.
I love Nergal.
surreal hazel
And you don't really want hestia on nergal's weapon boons
flint widget
i think i have more sub 6 surfaces now than sub 5 underworlds 💔
which is crazy cuz surface has more rng than underworld
round olive
Ok, so.
I was talking to a friend who's never played Hades 2 before and was talking with them and another friend about how I beat Unrivaled Typhon and Unrivaled Chronos. I mentioned I was using God Mode (Both know how it worked since I explained it before.) One agreed that was a good idea and there's no shame in it. The OTHER, who has never played a Hades game in his life, said "Now beat it without it as God intended."
...I may have been a bit miffed at that, so I challenged him to do it himself. And now I'm worried he's going to do that literaly. And worst of all, that he will rush into doing it, even though I told him to even unlock said bosses requires a bare minium of seven runs and that is IF you perfect every run prior AND if you get lucky with caldron drops.
I guess what I am asking is: do you think friend can do it, and if so, do you have any advice for him? I mean, aside from don't rush it or don't try since I already said both those things and spent ten minuites trying to explain why not? I don't think they will have issues with learning the ropes of Hades, they play Total War Warhammer for fun which is probably more complicated then anything Hades 2 throws at a player system wise.
wild drift
If they enjoy the game and are willing to put in hours (which they should because this game is awesome) then they will probably naturally get there
viral yew
Ok, so.
I was talking to a friend who's never played Hades 2 before and was tal...
He can 100% do it, just a matter of how far he optimises it, and rivals 4 is locked behind credits so between ending runs and needed mats it would be around 20 at best
Rivals at base with no other fear are pretty easy already
zenith olive
why do people here hate on coat oattack so much?
it feels very good to me! defends projectiles and deals a lot of damage, sounds great! what isnt good about it?
viral yew
why do people here hate on coat oattack so much?
Because it's really bad
viral yew
it feels very good to me! defends projectiles and deals a lot of damage, sounds ...
Alot of attacks it doesn't block, has a limited use before the block 'breaks', does little damage for charge time and magic use, and hits a very small area while being high risk
You're better off just dodging
magic grove
Alot of attacks it doesn't block, has a limited use before the block 'breaks', d...
and it doesn't block it you don't have mana
viral yew
That too
hollow stag
I’ve been inefficiently using the Omega Attack on Axe (Psychic Hammer)
Using Omega Attack right after the previous overwrites it. So there can’t be multiple Omega Attack at a time.
So much wasted Magick and moves that could’ve been used on something else
opal pecan
it feels very good to me! defends projectiles and deals a lot of damage, sounds ...
The other tools in the coat's kit/Mel's base kit do a stronger, more reliable, and/or faster job of most of these things.
wanton gale
Whats the best coat? Easiest and fastest clears?
opal pecan
Mel is easier than Nyx change my mind
strong smelt
whats the gameplay loop with nyx
uneven palm
Sprint, slam, special attack attack repeat until you need to re-up the buff
strong smelt
what boons and hammers to focus
uneven palm
Anything Hera Zeus Hestia Ares Poseidon on attack/special will probably work out. Any non-omega move hammer is probably good. Shimmering Rockets is the best probably
uneven palm
Yes you need some magick so you can apply the Nightspawn buff
Rank 1 is fine. Your damage comes primarily from on-hit effects
strong smelt
whats the best magick recovery i havent learned it much yet ive been using medea mainly
rain hazel
I feel like you can never go into a run with a full plan 😅
strong smelt
is just bringing hecuba ok
uneven palm
Possibly. Big rooms you might run out. Just try stuff most magick recovery is fine
strong smelt
how do u open the map in the first area of the surface i always see people do it
rain hazel
the bird cages
strong smelt
the what
rain hazel
they have a sparkle on them.
think theres one to the right of the entrance
there should be one near it at least
strong smelt
ah i need an incantation
rain hazel
oops, forgot about that
wanton gale
Guys. Doing rivals fight wit moros and im getting primed. What is going on? How does this work? Both rivals fights eat my whole magick bar
lyric summit
Moros can be a pretty magick hungry weapon. Are you using Born gain with low magick or smth?
wanton gale
Moros can be a pretty magick hungry weapon. Are you using Born gain with low mag...
Im using born gain yes
bronze flax
And this is why I reach biblical levels of greed with my Magick if I go with Born Gain
rain hazel
Yeah, im always hesitant of born gain, never feels safe
low bough
Born gain?
rain hazel
Hera magic regen
wanton gale
Heard its the best recovery
low bough
Its basically near infinite recovery
rain hazel
What happens when i prime all my magic though?
low bough
The wording just makes it look horrenfous
lyric summit
It depends how much magick you have and what aspect you’re using
low bough
What happens when i prime all my magic though?
You had too much free time lol
bronze flax
It is pretty much hands free, it's great
But it needs the max Magick to back it up
lyric summit
What happens when i prime all my magic though?
You can’t use any more until you reach the next room
flint widget
unless u have like uhhhh hubris
low bough
Hubris is def smtn
But if you have like half your bar you get like 5 gradually decreasing refills
lyric summit
Hubris + Static shock and any others that prime you
wanton gale
But what makes it prime all magick?
low bough
It primes a % of your magic
Then refills it minus the prime
Its logarithmic I think
Idk the math term
But basically, imagine your mp as a 10 unit bar
You deplete that, prime a unit, now you get 9 units worth of mp back
Do that again, get 8 and prime the other 2
You need to have horrific base mp or a lot of priming boons for it to be bad
wanton gale
You need to have horrific base mp or a lot of priming boons for it to be bad
I was at 140 i feel thats not extremely low
Got depleted on first and second rival boss in underworld. But i was fine on the surface.
surreal hazel
It's triangular, not logarithmic
low bough
Whats triangular mean in practice
surreal hazel
Got depleted on first and second rival boss in underworld. But i was fine on the...
Jeez what weapon and did you have Fine Line?
surreal hazel
Whats triangular mean in practice
Triangular numbers
low bough
I was at 140 i feel thats not extremely low
Torch? Or the weird hammers that auto q cast
wanton gale
Jeez what weapon and did you have Fine Line?
Yes fine line and ocean swell on moros. Might be overkill
wanton gale
Torch? Or the weird hammers that auto q cast
Moros torchrs
surreal hazel
Ah, full mana dump
lyric summit
That’s probably why then 👀👀
flint widget
ok yeah 140 is not enough for that
surreal hazel
But still!
uneven palm
Yeah if you’re doing that you need max magick
low bough
Fine line adds how much again?
lyric summit
You need 200+. Or I guess…Cardio gain
surreal hazel
Until it primes out you're pouring out damage
lyric summit
+15 iirc?
uneven palm
Yeah 15 per omega, all of them
flint widget
cardio gain is not sustaining omegas + fine line + ocean swell
low bough
Thats not so bad tbh
lyric summit
Add that for both attack and special and that’s already +30
surreal hazel
Only other contender is flood gain
lyric summit
True
low bough
I find flood gain a lil too complicated
surreal hazel
Easily overlooked but it's a monster for mana hungry builds
low bough
Its simple but im not very mindful of the free q moves
surreal hazel
I find flood gain a lil too complicated
Don't be. It's just X seconds of free casting then 8 seconds of not.
It's a little more complex than that but those are the cliff notes
lyric summit
New Grisly might honestly be effective these days lol
low bough
I mean putting it into practice
low bough
New Grisly might honestly be effective these days lol
It is lol
surreal hazel
Get seismic servo and flood gain recharges in 6 seconds
low bough
Never had mana be a problem with it and im running nergal axe, so its spin2win all the time
uneven palm
Just use magick with Flood Gain. Get a little max magick to cover between buffs if you’re greedy. So you treat it not very different from Born Gain
low bough
Could use tough gain instead if you dont believe in magic regen
strong smelt
best moros hammers?
flint widget
sudden burst and hidden helix
wanton gale
Just use magick with Flood Gain. Get a little max magick to cover between buffs ...
Yeah. I might need to chill with the add ons. I usually go for
Flood, swell duo boon hera poseidon. Might be to much and i havent gotten a lot of magick in this run. Scylla took 2 dds so im on my last and i hope i dont get depleted on the last boss because im cooked if it happens lol
Edit; cooked his ass
strong smelt
wait does hitch even have an affect on bosses and if so whag is it
rain hazel
Its the same
strong smelt
i thought the affect was it does damage tk other enemies
rain hazel
just not as effective if they dont have a lot of mobs, if thats what youre asking, yeah
you still get a 60% dmg boost though and the effect still causes the double effect boost (idk the name of it)
strong smelt
so its not the best for bosses
rain hazel
Depends on who youre fighting. I like it still
dmg boost is nice and when mobs do come theyre cleared quickly and do some damage to the boss if they have it up
but im not a meta player either
But you also have bosses like ||herc & prometheus or Scylla|| it goes well against
strong smelt
moros is the best thing ive used
killed the water boss in like 12 seconds
and its at like level 2
wanton gale
Im trying to get into the nyx aspect. Was thinking what duo to run. Maybe hestia zeus or hestia poseidon. What do u guys usually run ?
flint widget
Im trying to get into the nyx aspect. Was thinking what duo to run. Maybe hestia...
i dont really aim for duos but thermal dynamics is solid
put like zeus special hestia attack ez game
strong smelt
put like zeus special hestia attack ez game
best combo for like anything
flint widget
well not like anything
strong smelt
hestia is easily my favorite god in this game
flint widget
some aspects dont want hestia attack
wanton gale
i dont really aim for duos but thermal dynamics is solid
I mean the duo damage not the boon. Just a good pairing of 2
flint widget
wdym duo damage like combined dmg of two duos or what
wanton gale
wdym duo damage like combined dmg of two duos or what
Sorry worded it stupid i mean to activate origination card for 50% damage
Sounds like hestia zeus might be the play?
hollow stag
What’s a good starting God for Umbral Flames (any aspect) ?
Say you have the option of these common boons
- Flourish
- Rush
- Magick
Is it Hestia Special on Supay?
flint widget
Sorry worded it stupid i mean to activate origination card for 50% damage
oh ok thats ez then, get like any on hit special that applies a curse (zeus, hestia, pos if u have slippery slope) and glamour gain
flint widget
What’s a good starting God for Umbral Flames (any aspect) ?
Say you have the op...
for every aspect of the torches its lowk just hera (except supay, u want pos)
hollow stag
for every aspect of the torches its lowk just hera (except supay, u want pos)
Pos on Special?
strong smelt
got my first clear with strength just now lesgooo
damn i took like no damage i think
90 from chronos and the rest of the four were under 20
wanton gale
30% damage in cast or the huntress for aspect of nyx? Or taking both and sacrifice boon or location rerolls?
flint widget
first option
wanton gale
first option
Thanks. Thinking of doing
Hestia attack and recovery and dash
Zeus attack
Any other boon to look out for ?
Who to put on cast ? Poseidon?
fleet kite
Nyx is fine to never use any omega other than the dash
wanton gale
Nyx is fine to never use any omega other than the dash
Yeah i know
hollow stag
pos on the rush
How about Zeus Thunder Rush?
uneven palm
Rush bonus damage is kinda bait on Supay. Like it’s nice to have but on-hits on attack/special are going to be what’s doing work
wanton gale
Was getting a nice run with the nyx.
Setup was
Hestia attack(heroic) and regen
Zeus special
Poseidon rush and cast
Hammer faster special and stronger attack
fleet kite
Did you use autofire? I find it helps a ton for nyx play style
wanton gale
Did you use autofire? I find it helps a ton for nyx play style
No whats that?
fleet kite
No whats that?
It’s in the options, makes it so holding down attack on nyx would make you attack repeatedly instead of charge omega
wanton gale
It’s in the options, makes it so holding down attack on nyx would make you attac...
Thats crazy good tip wow i just tried it. You can toggle that on and off whenever
fleet kite
If you use it for nyx you can make sure you’re always throwing specials (good idea) and then dash strike whenever dash is off cooldown
Yep!
crude needle
What’s a good starting God for Umbral Flames (any aspect) ?
Say you have the op...
i love ares attk/zeus special on eos
hera/poseidon on mels aspect (targeting ripple effect)
moros is pretty much anything but my personal take is hestia on atk/demeter cast for freezer burn
and supay... well i haven't touched it in a while since the changes through the unseen update
storm bobcat
What are yall building with aspect of anubis?
fleet kite
Armies of the dead
broken spoke
They were having pizza party
subtle sedge
Have y'all tried using justice arcana to its fullest potential?
Night and lovers with any choice usually strength for consistent damage has been challenging but fun and I've had one run where I had every arcana card at once because of Circe.
mystic mango
Have y'all tried using justice arcana to its fullest potential?
Assuming you mean Judgement?
Judgement isn't horrible but like you can already get a pretty perfect build without it and by the time judgement gives you 15 more arcanas you already have all the tools you need and all you did was make yourself weaker at the start
There's a reason nobody really runs judgement until they turn on Void 3 to do 65 fear
lyric summit
Turns out having arcana is kinda broken
mystic mango
Also Judgement has the potential to just make your build worse
Because eternity exists
lyric summit
And sometimes it won’t even give you good cards
mystic mango
And also being forced to take significantly more rares can screw you on hubris
lyric summit
Scammed multiple times of Death/Strength/Orig/Lovers 🥲
mystic mango
Yeah and on Void 3 you don't have enough grasp to get those from the start except Lovers
Just play 63/64 fear 🔥
lyric summit
Think there’s like 2 64s on crossroads last I checked
mystic mango
Not surprising cause like you might as well just go for 65
lyric summit
And I might genuinely have the only 63 cuz of that stupid Supay cotw thing 😂
Oh nvm there’s 4 64s
I might actually post that 63 onto crossroads just to give Frei more work 🫢
lyric summit
😂
Eh more data for the aspect statistics so it’s a win win ig
We should honestly do more silly builds like Poseidon Atk Axes to increase the stats lol
bronze flax
Contingency upgrade for Phase Shift/Dark Side really shouldn't appear if you are not using Death Defiance 
bronze flax
Fair, it is certainly my least used hex 
bronze flax
The Godsent is cool, there is that
low bough
It adds attack boon, has some silly potential with blitz
I use wolf howl unironically tho
Iframes good
bronze flax
Wolf Howl is great
fleet kite
Dark side is so bad it hurts me to think about
low bough
The moons own powers
25 damage hits, lmao
My fav is prolly morph or charm tho
Charm is hilarious for the run final bosses
lyric summit
The Godsent is cool, there is that
Yeah iframes and heartthrobs can be nice
9/10 times I’m clicking the funny sheep or jumping one
low bough
The heartthrobs are like sub 100 damage tho sadly
The hp one is silly too
Either you get 7 uses of 70hp healing per region
lyric summit
Kinda wish Moon water can heal through scars. Mostly useless at high fear 😭
lyric summit
Without scars, panacea and abundance can stack so much and sorta make you invincible by Chronos
And situationally Zeal can be a “we have origination at home” boost 😂
low bough
Zeal? Is it damage per encounter
Tbh im still kinda shocked dark side is how it is
The moon's own powers turns out to be 25 damage a hit
mystic mango
Zeal? Is it damage per encounter
5 seconds of 50% extra damage
low bough
Lmao
lyric summit
Origination at Home 🌙 💧
mystic mango
Should've kept the clown tbh
low bough
Yall use the kamehameha btw?
lyric summit
We do. We just hate the colour
mystic mango
It's funny but only if you get the one that makes it auto fire
low bough
Like the psychic axe?
mystic mango
We do. We just hate the colour
I think they mean lunar ray
fleet kite
The auto fire is so good
lyric summit
Oh for some reason I thought you meant leash
fleet kite
Triple autofire
low bough
The beam is nice for chronos and eris
lyric summit
Triple one is funny.
low bough
It actually reaches them from their zoning
lyric summit
It can be decent in Erebus if you’re lacking damage
mystic mango
Triple autofire
Makes it cost 180 magick to use
low bough
Triple autofire
You regen it once a business day
fleet kite
Just step into the warding circle obv
mystic mango
Just take the auto fire. The triple one adds 90 magick cost
lyric summit
One Supay omega special charges it up and does way more damage than what it can do without boons 😭
low bough
Rivals Hecate is my real vibe check rn
lyric summit
Which is kinda depressing
mystic mango
One Supay omega special charges it up and does way more damage than what it can ...
Ferb, I know what we're gonna do today
lyric summit
Max fear strat lets go
low bough
What hidden aspects do yall like
mystic mango
Yes
low bough
Other than nergal
lyric summit
All of them
low bough
Theyre all good?
lyric summit
Yes. Including that one you don’t like
low bough
I have some of the hidden aspects but nergals prolly my fav
Its just so hilarious to have a guan yu with real hp
mystic mango
They're all fun but like Supay is ASSSS at high fear unless you get gig dash and a really strong start
bronze flax
Yes. Including that one you don’t like
I mean, yeah, Nergal is good, I just suck with it
lyric summit
I developed a kinship with the secret coat after multiple failures. It’s my favourite coat now 😂
bronze flax
Or with any axe that is not Charon
low bough
The trick with nergal is facetank
mystic mango
I developed a kinship with the secret coat after multiple failures. It’s my favo...
RIP controller though
fleet kite
Rank your face
low bough
Also the psychic axe tho
lyric summit
Charon used to be my favourite. And then I decided to crank up the fear
mystic mango
The trick with nergal is facetank
Good luck doing that to Pain 3 Typhon
low bough
Lmao, im nowhere near that fear level
lyric summit
And now everytime I click Charon I get flashbacks
low bough
I just hit 12
lyric summit
Mel axe might genuinely be my favourite axespect lmao
low bough
And now everytime I click Charon I get flashbacks
"I was only borrowing this."
bronze flax
Charon used to be my favourite. And then I decided to crank up the fear
Wards in particular feels hard for Charon, not sure why lol
mystic mango
55+ fear does weird things to the balancing of the game
So many great choices become worthless
low bough
Tbh what I dislike for mel axe is the power doesnt affect special
mystic mango
And so many mediocre things become really good
lyric summit
Wards in particular feels hard for Charon, not sure why lol
Enemies now need 2-3 extra hits instead of 1 cast detonation 😭
low bough
Hp is rly good early on tho
lyric summit
Kinda like how Wards sorta cripple Hestia rail in H1
low bough
Tbh nergal facetanking isnt viable at high fear, but its strangly viable at medium fear
I hear it can brute force up to 22 or so fear
low bough
Kinda like how Wards sorta cripple Hestia rail in H1
Or the Guan Yu cripples itself
fleet kite
I cannot with GY
lyric summit
Tbh nergal facetanking isnt viable at high fear, but its strangly viable at medi...
Genuinely. You can still facetank in high fear
mystic mango
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1489479699972362382/3...
Not high fear but still funny
This was just a fun run
lyric summit
Seething + Iron core will patch you up to full again 👏
lyric summit
Seething adds an extra hit to each attack and Iron core heals extra
low bough
Hm, seething is a hammer?
lyric summit
Yee
mystic mango
Seething + Iron core will patch you up to full again 👏
Or dashing heave
low bough
Dont think I got it yey
lyric summit
Very good one
low bough
I got dashing heave
lyric summit
Probably the best hammer if we’re talking about for all the axes
low bough
Tbh my last nergal run I screwed myself a bit with too many damage boons lmao
lyric summit
It’s great for all 4 at high fear
low bough
Lvl 6 or so epic blitz attack, chain lightning, I couldnt regen much
My demeter attack run was so nice tho
low bough
It’s great for all 4 at high fear
Whats it do specifically, just +1 strike?
lyric summit
Nergal bonk time 😭
Yeah. So it can strip wards quicker and deal more damage
Even works when OAttacking too
lyric summit
Gigaros + Seething is nice for early rooms and not dying to timer
mystic mango
Every attack gets a massive AOE explosion that does as much damage as a whirlwind hit
It's pretty great
low bough
Thats hilarious
Also idk abt yall but the timer at 7 minutes is a bit rough
At least, the timer in the first region
mystic mango
I've never had any issue with time 3 until high fear tbh
lyric summit
There’s other hammers that are prolly better suited for each aspect, (Mel - Dashing, Charon - Cleavers, Nerg - Psych). But seething will never be a bad pick
fleet kite
Also how is heracles in a fight?
Rivals
low bough
I play a bit slower than I thought
I forgot timer gives out increments so I only have 2 minutes or so post polly
mystic mango
Time 3 is basically free until you add on hordes, grit, return, menace and rivals
lyric summit
Yeahh it’s mainly hordes, grit and sometimes return
low bough
I dont play that fast yet
lyric summit
Oh whoops. Same mind
low bough
Working on it, is return that bad
alpine raft
do you pause when you think
low bough
Of course, I played H1
mystic mango
Yeah learn to pause the game when making decisions
viral yew
Working on it, is return that bad
It's annoying, changes room pathing
low bough
Tryna figure out what fears are negligible to add, got a guide online that said might be time for timer 2
fleet kite
Return just sounds terrible to me
viral yew
Especially with all the bs flying around at 62+
lyric summit
I love watching my revenant in a Demeter trial whirlwind turning back into an enemy again 😄😄
fleet kite
Tryna figure out what fears are negligible to add, got a guide online that said ...
Scars 1-2 are negligible, shadow is not too bad, fangs2 is fine
mystic mango
Tryna figure out what fears are negligible to add, got a guide online that said ...
Basically just take anything except pain, hordes, grit, wards, scars, return, forfeit or void and like everything up to 40 fear is pretty free
fleet kite
Hubris 1 is super free
fleet kite
get used to frenzy first
lyric summit
You can max scars for Nergal
low bough
I play on frenzy
fleet kite
IMO
low bough
My god, promy was zoomin
fleet kite
Get used to frenzy dos
mystic mango
Fangs is free until I get some bs lmao
Meh until you turn on Pain and Scars fangs is nothing
low bough
Its more the random enemies with armor getting invulnerability on spawn
mystic mango
Fangs at worse gives you a slightly annoying room until it turns into "I CAN'T GET HIT BY ANYTHING"
low bough
Its rare but always annoying
lyric summit
Fangs and Return are fine on their own ye. Compounded with everything else they’re such a pain
lyric summit
Typical fangs shenanigans 😭
low bough
Or rather it means more tickets
mystic mango
Fast flaming wet-whispers
viral yew
Scars 2 is such a nothing burger
magic grove
easiest oceanus room
lyric summit
And I hear debt is good?
Chrolex should reimburse you
viral yew
And I hear debt is good?
With chrolex it's free
fleet kite
Just buy less
low bough
Yeah, the gold gain is absurd
mystic mango
Yeah like fangs is so easy until you get random chance'd into total BS and it actually matters cause high fear
Low fear fangs is nothing
low bough
I love it, like 1k gold for composting a demeter boon
lyric summit
Interrupting Nyx’s convo for 550 gold is lovely
fleet kite
Interrupting Nyx’s convo for 550 gold is lovely
Yup
low bough
Interrupting Nyx’s convo for 550 gold is lovely
Im ngl this is my go to
fleet kite
I always forget to finish all my time piece charges
low bough
Its like 8 hp for no headache and 550 gold
magic grove
"moon? gold!" thank you grandpa i forgive you for kidnapping my family
mystic mango
Its like 8 hp for no headache and 550 gold
region 1 should be like 11 then every one after is like 22
low bough
Wdym
mystic mango
But it's worth buying a spark of ixion for
lyric summit
Health lost when entering chaos gate
low bough
Ohh yeah
mystic mango
It's nothing if you have scars off cause wayward exists and you heal all of it for free
low bough
Im a lil sad scars hits wayward tho
mystic mango
Spark is a net-positive with wayward healing
mystic mango
Im a lil sad scars hits wayward tho
Just get chaos healing 🔥
low bough
Chaos healing?
mystic mango
Chaos boon healing goes through scars
low bough
What is that
lyric summit
Yeah it can pretty clutch 😂
low bough
Oh, the flat room heal
fleet kite
Chaos is so scary without rerolls tho
mystic mango
Especially the ones that heal for double digits
Trusty shield at home
low bough
Chaos is so scary without rerolls tho
Take 8 damage every time you play the game, but gain a 77% chance to double limestone drops
mystic mango
Just don't get hit. Chaos curses can't kill you you just get reduced to 1 health
low bough
You're making a lot of assumptions about how well I play there
mystic mango
I know it was a joke
lyric summit
Just don’t get hit 🙂 🙂
low bough
I can do rooms hitless but the moment I have to I cant
mystic mango
Don't worry my damage boards are usually pretty ass
mystic mango
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217110523091357747/1500017651542523955/image.png?ex=69f8e20d&is=69f7908d&hm=8d619628b041f5aa436d303f11f90993665e6c48bf962c246edb8d0e7da5ea6b& Ate a ton of damage during final phase of Typhon
low bough
Chaos cant kill you but even Hep will kill you with hammers over a dispute
mystic mango
And also a ton of damage to eris somehow
low bough
I bet it happened in the last 3 seconds of the fight
90% of Eris' damage comes at the end
verbal whale
Coat moment.
mystic mango
Me moment. Not coat
low bough
Coat n You
mystic mango
I was just being dumb was all not the coat's fault
verbal whale
It's always coats fault if you project hard enough!
mystic mango
low bough
Eris immediately roasted my fashion sense
mystic mango
Nyx power
low bough
Godly early gigaros dash
lyric summit
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217110523091357747/1500017651542523955/i...
Every hit was tactical 👌
Didn’t even need most of that health anyways
mystic mango
I can post my vod and you can see how horrible the angle was on the baby phase
low bough
Meanwhile me at frenzy with medea skull whiff dashing my special
mystic mango
Right side baby phase is so much worse than left side
low bough
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1500017857038254210/H...
Bro icarus hated you
lyric summit
Pffft can’t be worse than my babality. I dodged at the last second which would’ve killed me
low bough
I lost sight of your mel
mystic mango
Baby phase is such a troll design lol
lyric summit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmQmqmA6RiA
JESUS
mystic mango
I know right
low bough
What is baby phase
mystic mango
Also we had a 3 minute olympus
low bough
I thought you had smolenoie
mystic mango
8:19 Eris exit to 11:14 Olympus end shop
low bough
Also we had a 3 minute olympus
How much of that was prometheus
low bough
Thats a short olympus by casual standards too
mystic mango
It's common to time out even leaving Eris at 8 minutes
low bough
High fear really is a whole different game
What becomes good at high fear thats ass at low
lyric summit
Olympus being Olympus 😪
lyric summit
What becomes good at high fear thats ass at low
I can answer for the opposite
low bough
Hit me
lyric summit
And it rhymes with Karen
low bough
Im guessing blitz never falls off tho
low bough
And it rhymes with Karen
Marin?
mystic mango
And it rhymes with Karen
No it doesn't
lyric summit
Im guessing blitz never falls off tho
You’re absolutely right
mystic mango
Not unless you're a rapper that cheats rhymes
lyric summit
No it doesn't
In my country it does 😛
low bough
Yknow theres a word for rhyming a word with itself lol
mystic mango
"Char-un"
mystic mango
Honestly than axe isn't that bad just nobody wants to play it
lyric summit
Really? I know than axe fell off but not that
Charon sucks at max fear. To play the first few rooms you literally can’t use the aspect properly
Plus wards and onion with lack of a gain cripples it
mystic mango
You have to play charon like a worse mel axe
lyric summit
You sorta have to try and start gigaros with seething
Dashing heave will do less damage than seething
mystic mango
Until you can actually use the aspect and then when you get the aspect you have to worry about not having sorceress arcana
lyric summit
Which is so bad
low bough
Its a genuine surprise that mel axe isnt the worst axe
lyric summit
MAxe is strong
low bough
On paper it looks just alright
lyric summit
But you gotta invest into dashing
low bough
The extra hp is good but I never liked how the power only worked on attack, not special
lyric summit
Dash atk special is pretty powerful
low bough
Hmm
lyric summit
Genuinely my fav axespect. Mainly cuz I suck with Nerg 💀
low bough
Do all the hidden aspects have alt movesets btw
spark grail
Anyone have any tips on getting used to frenzy 2 a bit better
lyric summit
Ye
spark grail
Do all the hidden aspects have alt movesets btw
Yes
low bough
Genuinely my fav axespect. Mainly cuz I suck with Nerg 💀
At 65 fear you'd suck with that nergal axe better than I'd peak lol
lyric summit
Anyone have any tips on getting used to frenzy 2 a bit better
Just a lot of trial and error/practice tbh
spark grail
Just a lot of trial and error/practice tbh
Yeah honestly this has to be the worst one to get used to
low bough
Mhm, also remember eris has a real turning radius
lyric summit
At 65 fear you'd suck with that nergal axe better than I'd peak lol
I got pretty lucky with early Psychic whirlwind tbh. Give it a go
low bough
I got pretty lucky with early Psychic whirlwind tbh. Give it a go
I did that yeah, unfortunately I had zeus attack
My screen was exploding and I got no heals
lyric summit
Honestly not too bad
low bough
Its not bad but its definitely curbing synergy
lyric summit
You’ll do enough damage and range to trigger blitz and crowd control
low bough
Its the one time I want dem attack lmfao
lyric summit
Poseidon tho…
low bough
Poseidon attack is rough on nergal
lyric summit
low bough
Tbh the only time I want poseidon knockback is probably on coat missile
And just because itd be really funny, not good
lyric summit
Honestly decent on coat
lyric summit
Exhaust riser Poseidon goes pretty hard for the coats if you didn’t get a good special hammer
low bough
Exhaust riser?
lyric summit
It’s a coat hammer
low bough
Is that the special punch
lyric summit
Dash attack +3 times
low bough
Oh I can see the vision there
lyric summit
So it works well with Poseidon inflicting flat damage multiple times
Even better if you have slippery
low bough
I forgot he technically does that
I keep focusing on the knockback I forget he has flat damage riders
Also froth? Ig? But froth doesnt seem good
lyric summit
So ye he has his niche uses on Coats, Charon and Soup. But they’re great
lyric summit
Also froth? Ig? But froth doesnt seem good
Curses will always be nice for orig. plus 105ish extra damage kinda gud
magic grove
froth is decent
fleet kite
I use poseidon for elixer farming tbh
If you play with rerolls you can get lots of nectar easily
Just reroll a door every time you see bones and ash at the same time, guaranteed nectar
low bough
I did that yeah
fleet kite
Also you can scoop them from the shops while levelling keepsakes in origin chaos trial
spark grail
Curses will always be nice for orig. plus 105ish extra damage kinda gud
Just curious, how many runs have you done
lyric summit
Just curious, how many runs have you done
Too many 💀
spark grail
I need a number 
lyric summit
I honestly have no clue haha
My save file says 850. But I usually Undo night when I fail
So it’s probably a few thousand tbh
spark grail
I just hit 105 and my PB is 40F but lowkey frenzy is stumping my ass hard
viral yew
This is why people turn on frenzy at 12f
lyric summit
Genuinely, you’ll improve with trial and error
spark grail
I mean it’s definitely one of the modifiers that’s just you have to play a lot to get it, and that’s about it
lyric summit
Pretty much. Plus the other vows compound together and make it harder, so it’s deffo worth cranking down fear a bit just to get used to it
spark grail
This is why people turn on frenzy at 12f
Yeah I should’ve commited to Fr2 earlier
I played on Fr1 but compared to fr2 it’s a joke lol
lyric summit
Ngl, I’m so out of practice with Frenzy 0 that I genuinely get hit by Chronos now for fresh file runs 😂
spark grail
I’m still sub 100hrs so I’ll learn
lyric summit
Hell yeah
lyric summit
H1 has a lot more bs with the pacts that can cripple your build imo
spark grail
A lot more rng manip
lyric summit
H2 vows sorta delay you from getting your build but you’re not forced to gut it like with UC
I’m also way worse at H1 than H2 so there’s deffo slight bias
lyric summit
Never too late to start
low bough
Ngl, I’m so out of practice with Frenzy 0 that I genuinely get hit by Chronos no...
You got hit by the time nuke too?
lyric summit
62 Fear run eventually I believe
lyric summit
You got hit by the time nuke too?
Nah just scythe swings
lyric summit
Too used to frenzy 2
spark grail
62 Fear run eventually I believe
I’ll get there just will take time
lyric summit
Nice nice
lyric summit
We need more high fearer clearers 
low bough
F2?
viral yew
Frenzy 1 is alread a lot for surface to me, still need practice
Just put on frenzy 2
mystic mango
Most people don't bother abbreviating in Hades 2 because the vow names are so short
Compared to Hades 1
viral yew
Frenzy 1 is even more bait than frenzy 0
spark grail
Most people don't bother abbreviating in Hades 2 because the vow names are so sh...
Fair
spark grail
Frenzy 1 is even more bait than frenzy 0
Yeah it’s all or nothing
Cause learning 0->1->2 isn’t worth the hassle
low bough
Really?
spark grail
The jump between all of them is a lot
There’s no reason to meet in the middle
Cause it’s a timing based modifier
Having to readjust muscle memory is very difficult
low bough
At frenzy 2 theyre 40% faster right
spark grail
Yes
low bough
Hm, whats frenzy 2 give for heat
lyric summit
Yeah some of the vows you might as well just max out rather than go up in increments
You might as well just turn off Menace Return and Frenzy or max them all
+Fangs
spark grail
Yeah I run all of those at max
zenith olive
if i have a zeus/hestia/poseidon on attack (ones that add a damage source), and get a hammer or something that makes my attack deal more % damage, does the attack boon damage source also get the increase?
i think no right
fleet kite
I think the percents add together
Nvm I can’t read
It would only affect the weapon damage itself
Not the blitz scorch splash
low bough
iirc that would only apply to aphrodite, right
viral yew
if i have a zeus/hestia/poseidon on attack (ones that add a damage source), and ...
No
Hammer effects do not apply to boons, just the base damage of weapons
regal cobalt
Purge useless duos for a huge payday <:shadeohboy:520448134590234651>
real
i hate improbable outcomes omfg istg if my next trial gives me coat again im going to lose it
alpine raft
i hate improbable outcomes omfg istg if my next trial gives me coat again im goi...
what's wrong with coat 💔
regal cobalt
what's wrong with coat 💔
I dont like it, probably a skill issue on my part but its just not for me
low bough
The coat's actual strength is dash attacks
You can get 5 dash attacks per dash attack and poseidon explodes them
Just dont use the omega attack lol
round olive
I have to ask: is it really worth giving up three death defiances for Athena's keepsake? I'm not sure I like that tradeoff given how death defiance carries me sometimes.
Then again, if Strengh gives 40% damage resistance, and I have 80% from God Mode, I should either bceome invincible if they work on each other, or have 80% damage resised then like 40% of that or something IDK I am no good at mmath
broken spoke
They are multiplicative
low bough
And yes, strength was actually meta vs DDs
Now theyre more competitive, used to be 50% damage reduction
For reference, a DD gives you like 30% of your hp back?
tall notch
I have to ask: is it really worth giving up three death defiances for Athena's k...
You don't need to sacrifice dds to click Athena's keepsake, you can put it on after using up your DDs
low bough
So 3 DDs give 90% hp incrementally
The old strength card at 50% DR basically doubled your effective hp, so it was worth more than those 3 DDs statistically
round olive
They are multiplicative
Wait so how does that work in this case damagewise in simple terms
round olive
Now theyre more competitive, used to be 50% damage reduction
Well, god mode probably puts a lot of heavy weightbing back into that so a nerf is kinda ok?
low bough
Wait so how does that work in this case damagewise in simple terms
So you take 20% less damage off god mode, with str now you take 40% less from that
low bough
Well, god mode probably puts a lot of heavy weightbing back into that so a nerf ...
It does, but tbh i doubt it was nerfed with god mode in mind
God mode's kinda there for story/accessibility, not rly smtn theyd balance
round olive
I doubt it was myself, more saying it's kinda a way to get it prenerf stats in a sense.
low bough
Hell it scales incrementally per run, so all you'd do with an arcana nerf is increase the run count by 10 to maych the old value
Ohh definitelty, but im ngl 40% is still massive
I just play better with death defiances
Its like in elden ring I play better naked
round olive
So do I, but there's like 6 arcana slots so I will mess around with strength for a bit. 80 resist then 40% redsist seems like it can do some work
low bough
Dont forget 20% extra damage
round olive
Indeed!