h2-builds-and-combat

[surreal hazel]

Cardio is the obvious choice and much more adaptive than born gain

[gloomy wind]

It would jump up from time to time to 94 for some reason but I didn't know that worked like that.

[surreal hazel]

For gradual gains it tries to batch the damage to stop it strobing you every game tick

[gloomy wind]

Grisly gain on the Regen slot.

[surreal hazel]

Ah yeah

Every drop would trigger a burst of damage

On that note. Get Hera's Fine Line

Really helps in dumping mana

[gloomy wind]

I had weed killer

[surreal hazel]

Also useful

[gloomy wind]

Was using attack omega on than axe

[surreal hazel]

Hestia has controlled burn

[gloomy wind]

That was fun though. Never noticed that interaction

[jolly aurora]

do you have black coat

[jolly aurora]

cause if so i would recomend a poseidon zeus build with poseidon on special and zeus on strike but switching can do and then with origination and slippery slope and its smiting time

[surreal hazel]

If you want to dump mana. Fine line on torches or posessed array on the skull

[jolly aurora]

#MEONMYWAYTOBRUTEFORCEMAXFEAR

[gloomy wind]

I might try this. Im not too partial on splash

[jolly aurora]

its just extra dmg on high attack speed weapons

[gloomy wind]

I did have a fun run with Poseidon and Ares on Morrigan daggers

[jolly aurora]

they do get fun of course arterial spray is just the bonus on top but if you choose poseidon for attack you should focus getting king tide

[jolly aurora]

also generally try to get slippery slope and zeus as high rarity and level cause thats majority dmg

[flint widget]

@lyric summit im sorry but im gonna do more side quests

rivals 4 speeds uw is calling me

[lyric summit]

Not surprised in the slightest

Though I thought you were gonna do SF Speedruns lol

[flint widget]

though i will say

its not like i will prioritize the side quests over the main quest

if i get too burnt out with max fear surface grind ill grind the side quests

[spiral wadi]

👁️

i see how it is

surface 67 seems very achieveable

[flint widget]

bro i got like two sub min hec entrys in a row when i played out some rivals 4 uw attempts

the game is telling me something

[magic moss]

...

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-sad-explode-gif-15295996165959499721

[green mist]

20 Fear and it's still easier than 5 on Rivals

[alpine raft]

yk i remember you talkin about a toula only surface with every bad vow

whens that happening

[flint widget]

when i have enough free time

to do it all in one go

maybe i could do it like in parts where i stop every time i complete a region

but editing that gonna be a nightmare

[raven ivy]

Hey so I saw this post on the reddit and I'm wondering if it's possible for this to happen in-game or if it's forged, but I can't seem to find a document I remember seeing about how Boon RNG works
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hades2/comments/1ssrpk0/what_is_this_first_menu/

[split igloo]

one time only event added in the last patch

[raven ivy]

That you get no cores in your starting boon and one heroic?

[split igloo]

what

Poseidon will appear and say "heard you like sea star, so here's one", then you get a heroic sea star, that's it, it won't happen again ever

[raven ivy]

Ohhh okay I get it, weird that that overrides the usual rule that your first boon in a run always has a core

[split igloo]

it's just a meme because they added many new voice lines for sea star

[safe crest]

Hear me out, Aspect of Pan. Ares attack, Hera special, Zeus cast and Apollo dash. I used this combination of gods to get my 2nd ||Typhon|| kill it absolutely melted him 😭

[turbid karma]

i have yet to get this and I’m a little salty

[spiral wadi]

me when i'm trying to get a poseidon core on forfeit only to get heroic sea star instead

[austere trail]

lol

[bronze flax]

Haha, yes!

[south copper]

A little salty like a sea star on the sea you may say~¿

[turbid karma]

real real 😔

[turbid karma]

you’ll take it and you’ll like it!

[glossy jetty]

What are some vows that I should get used to early? I already have on frenzy 2 for all my runs and I'm looking at vow of time to max out next

[turbid karma]

vow of time is good, vow of denial is good, 1 scars is fairly chill, debt is counterable by taking the timepiece keepsake in R2, menace and fangs and shadow are all good fun

[drifting rose]

What’s an good Lin and Oros build to use with aspect of me

L

Could Apollo work with an aspect of meda build

Medea

[austere trail]

it's usually preferred to have a curse on attack (like hera, ares, dem) but if you have another easy way of activating origination, then sure

[drifting rose]

So Hera on attack with Medea is good?

[gritty widget]

very

[drifting rose]

Alr thx

[split igloo]

region 4 onyx dress is 140 armor, holy...

[vernal quiver]

Woes of 9x hp hecate be upon ye

[spiral wadi]

whenever nemesis says "need a hand" i keep thinking of gerson boom "AYE NEED A HAND"

[verbal whale]

Gerson would give good boons I bet.

[flint heart]

So idk if this is widely known, but the Polyp raised by night blossom with Hera’s godsent ability absolutely shreds ||Typhon||

[spiral wadi]

real and tru

[spiral wadi]

ye polyp is prob the best dps enemy to raise it's very funny

[opaque granite]

Idk if this is an unpopular opinion but why does it feel like Rivals Scylla is just easier than the non rivals version.

[viral yew]

This is certainly one of the opinions of all time

[mystic mango]

Let them cook hold up

[opaque granite]

I mean, you can just hitch more.

And then reroll for that one boon that makes hitch do more damage and then boom.

[proven pawn]

true

[surreal hazel]

Try having this opinion on max frenzy

[opaque granite]

I play max frenzy though. Hitch is just good.

[surreal hazel]

It is but it has finite range. Most of the tentacles can only connect to each other,

And if jetty or scylla approach

[broken spoke]

Roxy approaching you?

[opaque granite]

They just bunch of all together near the drummer and you get so much damage. The tentacles just make it faster.

Also I thought it had unlimited range

Still good though.

[wild drift]

Simply get Hereditary Bane

I'm definitely not salty about only getting Hereditary Bane in Fields earlier and wasting my Calling Card on nothing with Hephaestus in the pool and Zeus in the shop

[viral yew]

What fear tho

[gritty solstice]

Hostile Environment

[opaque granite]

15, Rivals 2 and frenzy 2. I would go higher but I don’t want timer because I like looking at the games scenery.

[viral yew]

Ah ok that makes more sense

[opaque granite]

Wdym?

[viral yew]

Very low fear

[opaque granite]

It is?

[viral yew]

Yes

[opaque granite]

Well someone told me that 32 is really hard so I thought that 15 would still be hard because it’s only half. That didn’t seem very low.

[broken spoke]

Wdym it make more sense at very low fear non rival scylla do even less

Although tbf non rival uw boss just do nothing

[viral yew]

Every rivals boss is easy(ish) below 50

[broken spoke]

And non rival is cake walk

[viral yew]

Whoever said that either lied or they're just bad, 32 is free with any sort of metagaming

[viral yew]

Like objectively rivals scylla is more difficult, but doesn't mean it's super hard

[broken spoke]

It isn't,but still harder than non rival, and he think rival is easier

[viral yew]

Each to their own

[surreal hazel]

High fear is like, 60+

[surreal hazel]

Meant to write scylla, derp

[opaque granite]

They/Them please.

[viral yew]

I wish roxy would do the thing that Bart Simpson does in the white stripes episode

[surreal hazel]

I don't remember that at all

[viral yew]

https://tenor.com/view/white-stripes-simpsons-gif-11713839

This

[vernal quiver]

The server usuals here have cleared 62f+ so 😭

[opaque granite]

It goes that high?

[vernal quiver]

67 is max

So generally "high" is considered 45f+

[opaque granite]

Idk, it just feels like it.

[surreal hazel]

67 is a miserable experience annd a whole new game after even 65 fear

[vernal quiver]

67 isnt that bad

[broken spoke]

Sure

How many attempts btw

[alpine raft]

erebus without artificer 🙏

[vernal quiver]

Got my ass there icl

[surreal hazel]

no arcana. Suddenly you remember just how useful it is to have even the sorceress

[vernal quiver]

Makes me miss origination with my whole soul

[alpine raft]

im loving 65 tho

[vernal quiver]

65 is funny tbh

Just 62 for gamba addicts

[surreal hazel]

65 gives you judgement and with that you have a chance to roll The Unseen, The Moon, The Wayward Son and other run defining arcana

[alpine raft]

moon is actually good

[vernal quiver]

Moonwater my goat

[manic shuttle]

moon is cracked ye

[wild drift]

65 is 62 that makes you feel worse while playing it but better after beating it lol

[surreal hazel]

Jesus, it is? Time to tell nasa to send up a big tube of glue

[broken spoke]

Gamba let's go

[vernal quiver]

65 is like you get a taste of 67f and the reaction is either "Yeah i could do that" or "god this is awful"

[broken spoke]

Clear 65 thinking you are ready for 67

[surreal hazel]

you gotta do a 5 minute erebus with respawning enemies that are 30% tougher and 60% more numerous

[opaque granite]

What’s that?

[surreal hazel]

and doing everything in only 60% of the time and oooops hecate morphball'd you

[vernal quiver]

The satisfaction of playing a clean erebus to hit excellence, wayward, unseen, sorceress(on a non magic weapon) eternity is a certain kinda fun sinxe then you might as well have done 67 for 2 regions

[vernal quiver]

The 50% bonus damage on 2 curses arcana card

[broken spoke]

67f practice run trust

[alpine raft]

it's a lot easier bc you started with artificer and persistence

[opaque granite]

Oh that one. I don’t like it very much.

[vernal quiver]

Make the 67 practice like the eos clear that forgot to turn on void

[surreal hazel]

Blank stare

[vernal quiver]

Its the strongest arcana in the game

2 curses happens so naturally youd have to try to not get it active

[opaque granite]

Really? It’s so expensive and it takes so much work to make it work.

[surreal hazel]

50% global bonus is unmatched

[vernal quiver]

It takes no effort literally like all but 3 gods have curses on attack/special

[opaque granite]

And Aphrodite already does a bunch of damage.

[surreal hazel]

so much work to get working

[alpine raft]

it takes 2 boons yo

[vernal quiver]

And all but like 2 casts gives a curse

[surreal hazel]

Aphrodite gives you glamour gain, like, Origination's easymode

[opaque granite]

So I should use it?

[broken spoke]

50% is a huge number

And it is global dmg

[vernal quiver]

Yes its the strongest arcana in the game you will feel the difference

[surreal hazel]

Yes, not merely use it, get a nailgun and nail the card to your arcana setup

then weld it there

[vernal quiver]

If you read some boons youll also realize how easy 2 curses is

[surreal hazel]

The only thing stronger for their grasp cost is picking between strength or death, but obviously you're picking one of those

[opaque granite]

Okay. Thank you for the help. I’ll try it tomorrow when I go for 20 fear. Hopefully it’s not too hard.

[surreal hazel]

Just take timer 3 with your current setup, you shouldn't notice the pressure

Frenzy actually makes clearing rooms faster as it is

[wild drift]

Nah you might as well go straight to 62 since Rivals Scylla is easy trust

[surreal hazel]

After ages doing a bunch of fun runs at max grit and hordes as punching bags I briefly just went to fear 32 for a giggle and breezed it

[formal herald]

How important is the lovers arcana? I don't need it for the row or column requirement for divinity.
I always have wayward son on, I just really like it, with the last 3 grasp I was thinking either putting in the lovers or putting in swift runner and the huntress

[broken spoke]

Free 3 hit on boss is just billion hp saved

It eat 3 hit from cerberus? That is like 75 hp saved before pain

[formal herald]

Well sure, but it's only really good for cerberus, chronos and typhon

For the others it's kinda whatever because don't have a billion damage in one hit, no?

[broken spoke]

Prom also hit for a lot

Rival eris also casually sweep for 35

[formal herald]

I tend to step on the fire a bit which doesn't deal much damage per hit

[broken spoke]

If you think boss is the easy part of the run then you can surely use 3 grasp on other arcana

The arcana is generally quite flexible

[formal herald]

I'm just not sure how useful huntress is

I don't see anyone using it, but 50% sounds really strong

[broken spoke]

Depends on weapon

It only boost attack and special dmg

[formal herald]

Oh

I missed that part

Well, then the choice is more clear haha

[viral yew]

Yeah huntress isn't a big deal

[surreal hazel]

except for when it is

[somber beacon]

do yall think its possible for hexes to be balanced for both new and old players without a complete rework? i feel like if you made something like dark side do actual damage, new players would use it as a crutch because they dont yet know how to make a build that performs better. but in its current state, for somebody who DOES know how to make a decent build, dark side feels like it tickles the enemies

[viral yew]

Nah

[surreal hazel]

They got reworked like, twice

[somber beacon]

How bout another!

[surreal hazel]

You can make Dark side absolutely devastating when fully upgraded

the problem is that upgrades are exponential but are fighting with boons for your major reward choices

[broken spoke]

Hex doing some work in low fear, good enough

[somber beacon]

i havent done an all-in dark side run in a very long time, but i remember getting more use out of just standing inside the enemy hitbox with the heartthrobs than actually using the attack and special. maybe i need to revisit it

[surreal hazel]

The two upgrades that cause you to inherit your attack and special boons onto the hex are very useful

Amusingly Splendor got downgraded to a Bright upgrade and swapped with Horror, but lol, fair

Hex upgrade balancing has been an extremely weird thing over EA

(But damnit I want Disintegration back)

[somber beacon]

even still, i feel like dark side in the hands of a new player vs an experienced player is not a big difference. just taking paths of stars doesnt take skill, you can choose where you spend your upgrades in the branching path buuut i dont feel like that REALLY rewards knowledge too much either. compared to how clever players can get with regular boons. knowing which duos and secondaries they should go for. paths of stars are way simpler. and how you use most hexes is just "press the button", so theres not that much skill expression there either

lunar ray builds can be good and cool, but again thats just a matter of spamming paths of stars, praying for the circe/artemis boons that upgrade your hex damage, and then pressing the button

[surreal hazel]

Lunar Ray has Prominence at least

and has an odd niche early game with Contact

[somber beacon]

again, maybe im ignorant to the true skill expression that hexes offer. i think night bloom is very well made in that regard, the choice of which enemy to summon allows some skill expression, and your path of stars upgrades work with sun worshipper (i think?) which rewards knowledge

[surreal hazel]

No they don't

[somber beacon]

damn.

[surreal hazel]

it has triple damage and infinite lifespan, it's more than enough

Flaming meteor is kinda lol though

it also causes damage when the meteor lands, but that's not important

Twilight Curse is very usable on high fear btw

even with no upgrades it serves a useful purpose

[somber beacon]

maybe hexes just need to interact more with the rest of the game. if sun worshipper did scale with night bloom upgrades that would be sick, maybe would need a bit of balancing but still. or if dark side inherited your attack and special boons by default, that could give them some use

true, i lke twilight curse

[surreal hazel]

(Sheep have a +50% additive damage vulnerability)

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, this was basically repeated a lot in the feedback channel when it existed

fun fact, there were a lot more boon-inherit upgrades in EA, but Godsent hexes removed a lot of them

in fact all of them except for Dark Side's

Oh and Tremor on wolf howl

Which remains the most whacky boon-inherit effect in the game

I had to do a writeup of how that worked because it's kinda weird

[somber beacon]

i did play a little in early access but i only really got into the game a couple months before full release. i dont remember tremor XD

[surreal hazel]

Tremor is still there

it was called Frenzy

[somber beacon]

looking at the wiki for wolf howl now though, it says that frenzy is bugged and doesnt even work with half of the rush boons? is that accurate 😭

[surreal hazel]

The wiki is outdated, they fixed it all

it's just still really wonky in application

[somber beacon]

got it, makes sense. i cant find tremor on the wiki so must just be outdated

[surreal hazel]

because well, you get everything from blinding rush.... applying daze, woo

to nexus rush proccing on up to 5 enemies, even if they're already hitched

and stamp rush ignoring if any enemies are hit and instead spawning a blast on the centre of wolf howl itself, and ignoring the cooldown timer entirely

So the effectiveness varies wildly

[somber beacon]

tbh maybe ill try some more hex runs just to see what im missing out on. its unfortunate how much investment they require

[surreal hazel]

if you get one of the 2 good upgrade grids you can really go ham on some of them

there was a period of wolf howl superman build supremacy

Taking Brutality and Duality and just vaulting everywhere

oh btw, if you have Duality, yeah Tremor procs twice per leap, have fun

[somber beacon]

i think it was boated i saw do a very crazy lunar ray run with apollo and i think artemis crit boon?

[surreal hazel]

yeah, they work great together

[somber beacon]

and night bloom obviously. besides that i dont know which hexes are good and fun to actually invest in for a meme build

[surreal hazel]

something that hits as rapidly as lunar ray causes Whispered prayer to be a very consistent damage bonus

unlike say, Total Eclipse, that might crit and completely overkill if it does

[surreal hazel]

Memeist build is Squall of Demeter with Air Quality

but it's doing nothing that Hearth of Hestia isn't

[somber beacon]

oo that sounds fun. demeter is the time slowdown one right? doesnt that one require like 130 magick spend 😭

id have to play shiva or something

im so bad with names, i can remember the magick cost but not the name lol

[surreal hazel]

It's the highest cost one

Phase Shift

[somber beacon]

yeah

[surreal hazel]

That's no cost at all sometimes

If you wanna spend mana fast, look no further than hera and posideon

[somber beacon]

thats true, i suppose there are plenty of boons that increase magick spend

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, You want something mana hungry? Lemme show you a vid...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCkq1dkVtbw

watch the mana bar try to keep up

[somber beacon]

god damn, this seems to be from before plasma was capped at +100% 😭

[surreal hazel]

Exceptional Talent is doubling up the omegas

[surreal hazel]

But it isn't, it's recent since it's a dream dive

[somber beacon]

ohhhh, thats mean streak stacking up. i thought that was an early access plasma icon, i never take mean streak. i had no idea it stays between rooms

its getting up to like +250% jesus. ive been just doing casual fates whim runs for a long time, but getting back into watching boated a bit is making me really wanna try taking keepsakes and forcing crazy builds, instead of just taking what i get. and this video is definitely contributing to that too

i checked my stats and i think ive only taken heinous affront like 4 times in 400 runs, i need to do more crazy builds like that

[surreal hazel]

It counts in real time, very oddly

[surreal hazel]

Heinous smite is what you want

Heinous affront with Apollo's light smite, it's DISGUSTING

because well, light smite damages THE ENTIRE ROOM and dazes them when you take damage

Divine vengeance is childish compared to it

[somber beacon]

yup, no heinous affront run is complete without apollo

wait. light smite is the entire room??

so every time you hit a new enemy and inflict wounds on them, EVERY enemy takes light smite damage?

[surreal hazel]

Well, it's a radius so big it might as well be

[surreal hazel]

YES

Meant to quote the line below but you get the point

there's a very brief cooldown on light smite

[somber beacon]

yeah makes sense

[surreal hazel]

so if you hit two enemies at once it doesn't proc multiple times, but don't let that stop you

rip and tear

it's very brief

as will your normal enounters be

#h2-victory-boasting message

Look at the damage table

[somber beacon]

im curious, where do you learn all this stuff? is it just from lots of experience forcing crazy builds and paying attention to exactly how things work? or is there some google doc in a special discord with a bunch of information compiled? i usually just do casual fates whim runs as i said, but if there were a better source of niche, up-to-date information i would be way more likely to actually exploit that stuff

[surreal hazel]

All of this, and also reading the in game scripts

Join the speed running discord

We have the good technical stuff

[somber beacon]

i just joined recently actually, which channel should i check for that stuff?

[surreal hazel]

Various

Speedtech threads for deep technical stuff

[somber beacon]

makes sense

[lyric summit]

H2Crossroads website has a bunch of vods and stats of most common boons/hammers etc for each aspect too

So they can give you a general gist of what other players found successful

[somber beacon]

thanks, i was just thinking watching more vods of cool runs would give me more inspiration

[lyric summit]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/Ladder

You can click the names to get the vods you wanna see for whichever aspect you want

[surreal hazel]

Glorious Disaster is the least picked duo for all sumitted runs, being picked.... once

[somber beacon]

lol

im looking at the GameStats page rn too, but i dont see a section for hera or zeus boons (duos notwithstanding)

[surreal hazel]

why is reaper blades more popular than trick knives?

oh wait, it's just 36 versus 37 times, that's just noice

[surreal hazel]

Huh, yeah, weird

Excellence being twice as popular as the Unseen arcana says so much

[somber beacon]

99% pickrate on origination XD

[surreal hazel]

well, I expect that'd be 100% if not for those judgement runs where it never gets rolled

[somber beacon]

lovers at 70% is quite a bit lower than i would expect

[surreal hazel]

Lovers isn't picked at anyfear speedruns

[somber beacon]

i suppose better players know they wont get hit

[surreal hazel]

You don't need damage resistance, you need damage

[somber beacon]

yeah, that makes sense. i forgot this was including low fear

[surreal hazel]

turn your min fear filter to 60 and suddeny lovers is 97.66% pickrate

[somber beacon]

yep i just did that 😭

[surreal hazel]

...I just tried to see what arcana gets chosen for 67 fear runs

Excuse me while I hand in my Smartass card

[split igloo]

Furies is still kinda low, IMO Origination, Furies and Lovers are the most impactful cards in the game

[surreal hazel]

heh, there's a minor issue with the dio boons listed here

If you take Personal Loan, you actually lose the boon entirely after the next boss, so it's never seen on this data

likewise the arachne dresses are only the ones that made it to the end

so there's a bit of a bias towards some there

[lyric summit]

Not having lovers is such a vibe check. Truly makes you realise how awful some of these rival bosses are

[lyric summit]

Turns out dealing more damage is pretty good 😮

[somber beacon]

i never took the origination equivalent in hades 1 tbh, even returning to the game now i dont take it despite using origination in every h2 run

i dont even remember the name right now

[tall notch]

It's easier to apply 2 curses in h2, so that makes sense

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, but it was a choice between that and another flat global

[split igloo]

privileged status (+40% damage) in Hades 1 was kinda bad because the curses were short duration and many core boons didn't even have them, whereas family favorite is guaranteed +25% damage each run

[somber beacon]

yeah thats about how i felt intuitively, curses werent really emphasized in the first game

[split igloo]

Zeus, Poseidon, Athena needed an additional boon to get curses on their cores, and Artemis didn't even have any

and that's half of the roster

you make a heart rend build (Arty + Aphro), no priv status for you

priv status was only worth it on ice wine + scintillating feast builds, but that's pretty niche

[zealous vigil]

Does flutter flourish work with umbral flames omega special? Like, is the radius of the omega special considered nearby?

I got a heroic flutter flourish on an aspect of moros run but not sure if it's wasted rn lmfao

[wild drift]

Pivot to auto-fire special 😈

[split igloo]

the radius is the same as glamour gain

[zealous vigil]

rip my level 3 heroic flutter flourish with +330% damage and heroic artemis killing stroke 😭

I thought I was cooking up something devious

[wild drift]

Tbf one of the ways to detonate Moros blasts is to hold attack then jump in and use normal special

[zealous vigil]

does this at least work on typhon, since I'm standing point blank when attacking him?

[broken spoke]

Yes

If enemy big enough it will work

[wild drift]

Hmm I've had weird stuff happen with Aphrodite boons vs Typhon recently

[zealous vigil]

hell yeah bro's gonna melt

[surreal hazel]

The radius is basically binding circle radius

buuuut, there's a bit more to it than that

The distance is measured between mel's origin point and the victim's origin point

but hit detection is done with hitboxes, so it's quite possible to have something big stood next to you that's taking hits from your oSpecial and getting the flutter flourish bonus

likewise the reverse is true, some short ranged moves might not get the bonus on a big target if the centre of that target is far enough away from mel, even if the attacks are hitting

[rare horizon]

im looking for a new build to run with, so far ive only used the staff, aspect of melinoe. Any recommendations

[somber beacon]

how much do you have unlocked right now? do you have weapon aspects unlocked yet? only mel staff makes it sound like youre quite early in the game still, unless you just really love that weapon :P

[surreal hazel]

if you're still early on in your file then honestly don't worry about builds too much, you haven't got the means to manipulate them too much yet. Stick to learning the base systems and simple synergies

like, if you see the Wicked Thrasher hammer, that gives a lot of base power to your attack, so you want to build into high +% bonuses on it

Hades 2 has very few stinkers in its set of boons, so you can honestly make a lot of things work, and as an added tip, feel free to press B or d-pad left when you're on a boon selection menu to look at what other boons you've already got so you can work out what combines well

as a general rule, you want to fill out your five "core" slots with boons from different gods

and by "Core" I mean boons that have "Strike", "Flourish", "Ring", "Rush" and "Gain" suffixes. These are HUGELY important and are much more important than most other boons, the game also priortises offering them to you if you haven't got them

[rare horizon]

Nah I can unlock every aspect apart from the hidden 4th ones, I just used it to beat the game

[rare horizon]

No i just really like the staff, I've beaten the main story of the game. And played alot of hades 1. I'm just looking for a new weapon

[surreal hazel]

ah okay, well

they all work

[rare horizon]

So it's not like hades 1 where there's bad boons or weapons

Pretty much anything works with anything

Obviously there is better and worse but nothing is horrible

[somber beacon]

yeah, everything is pretty well balanced. youll probably find aspects/boons you dont like as much, but thats for you to discover yourself, because its up to personal preference

the skull is a fun weapon. mel skull or medea skull, they both play differently but are both quite strong. their playstyle is very different from the staff of course. if you see the hammer "possessed array" when using the skull, take it and try to get the best magick regen that you can, its really strong

[rare horizon]

Ok I'll try Medea skull next playthrough thank you

[viral yew]

Pretty much yep

[magic grove]

uh... plentiful forage is pretty horrible

[surreal hazel]

When we're talking about beating the game on low fear, it can actually save a run

it's a shadow of the bustedness it once was, but it's a LOT of healing

[magic grove]

fair, i just really can't think of a situation where it's better than the 2 other possible boons even when you need the healing

maybe if it shows up together with 2 ocast boons or something and you're not doing ocast so might as well

[somber beacon]

ive always enjoyed plentiful forage, since i play super aggressive and take a lotta damage. with greatest gift of gaia its like a turbocharged wayward son that only works every 2-3 chambers

[surreal hazel]

Demeter has the odd boon that doesn't really work, or can be actively detrimental

Weed Killer can be a negative boon in some cases

[magic grove]

eh, true

or just useless in some scenarios, i guess it makes sense

[surreal hazel]

or like, Frosty Veneer when you have no hope of hitting 6 water

(Another boon that was nerfed and nerfed and nerfed)

Rightly so, it was stupidly good

oh and yeah, Demeter has tranquil gain, which is a little underrated, but still a bit meh

Sometimes demeter offers you a common steady growth at the end of Fields

[split igloo]

I think the aspect of Pan (on Blades) is the only bad one, Hades 2 is much better balanced

[surreal hazel]

Pan is definitely a weaker one, although it had one of its issues fixed recently

[viral yew]

Selene?

[magic grove]

selene is worse

[surreal hazel]

Selene is yeah

[split igloo]

Selene is great if you build for the hex

[surreal hazel]

it can be fun, but it's not terrible.

[magic grove]

its not

[surreal hazel]

it's still the coat that can do coaty things

[split igloo]

yeah coats are pretty good even without gimmicks, whereas Pan is nerfed Blades

[magic grove]

building pan to use the aspect (actual ospecial not talking about trick knives) is still leagues better than build selene to try to use the hex with

[viral yew]

Ok but my gripe with it, is that it doesn't do enough to be different from mel and nyx

It feels like mel coat with a hex I took from selene

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, the coats and blades don't really force you to play the aspect that differently

Artemis tries to push you more towards oAttacks

[viral yew]

Get dyno'ed

[split igloo]

Artemis is my fav Blades aspect, I'd say it's the strongest if you focus on omega attacks

[surreal hazel]

but trick knives really did perform convergent evolution

[viral yew]

Oattack builds are super satisfying with the charge time

[magic grove]

except no faster attacks and a garbage hex that locks you out of actual good hexes like morph or wolf howl

[viral yew]

[surreal hazel]

Cascade can make the hex okay

but that's Sublime, so ehhhhh

[split igloo]

the Persephone skull is also kinda meh, the bonus boon levels are very inconsistent, you might not get any at all

[viral yew]

[magic grove]

And that involves getting path of stars

[viral yew]

My fastest surface run is on persephone for some dumbass reason

[magic grove]

Meanwhile wolf howl is iframes on a stick without any investment

[surreal hazel]

Just roll the dice better, duh

get a 2 second recharge volcanic flourish in room 1

[magic grove]

I unironically think that compared to selene, pan blades almost look like parray medea

I hate it so much

[split igloo]

and I think Momus is not played that often? but that should be all, the rest are all very strong

[viral yew]

[viral yew]

I kinda agree

[viral yew]

Momus is bad because the rest of the staffs are so good

[magic grove]

I was so surprised they didn't do anything to selene coat on patch 2

[surreal hazel]

Momus is the Olympic athlete sat between three demigods

it's a good aspect but boy howdy does descura offer better still

[split igloo]

should've reduced its charge time, isn't it 100? which is a lot

[magic grove]

It could be 10, it would still be bad

[surreal hazel]

70?

Selene also has the most laughable rank 6

reduces your hex cost a little, woo

[magic grove]

this aspect needs a bigger rework which I think is why they decided to not even mess with it

[surreal hazel]

Would mean fiddling with the hex completely

[split igloo]

the hex is strong if you take a few path of stars upgrades

[surreal hazel]

Thematically the aspect of selene being hex focused makes sense

but at the same time... I dunno

[viral yew]

And potentially breaking it when they don't want to work on the game anymore

[viral yew]

[surreal hazel]

I kinda wanna put skyfall in the main pool and have selene's gimmick start with a Gift of the moon for free at run start and like, bonus upgrades?

and in addition to the roomstart reward

[magic grove]

Lunar ray is super strong with path of stars too and at least it doesn't lock me out of having an actual aspect 😁

(and it's still ass)

[wild drift]

make. shine. a. global. damage. boost.

[viral yew]

Disconnected gets it

[magic grove]

However bad do you think selene is, it's worse

[surreal hazel]

Selene is trying to be the omega focused coat as well though

[magic grove]

The more you think about it, the worse you realize it is

It's like un-potential aspect

[surreal hazel]

in principle this is fine: Get omega damage boost from a hex that requires mana spending to charge.... but...

[split igloo]

you're supposed to spam omega rockets to charge the hex, then you nuke, rinse and

[viral yew]

Which sucks because the omegas are just worse than spamming normal moves

[surreal hazel]

you then get the omega damage bonus After performing omegas... yay

[magic grove]

I think selene coat is like the one thing that can be called an waste of a slot in the whole game

[viral yew]

We know how to play the aspect, it just sucks lmfao

[surreal hazel]

and you only get the bonus on enemies you're close to

[split igloo]

you can also take the auto-charge arcana, forget what it was called, it speeds things up

[surreal hazel]

which oSpecial is bad at, and oAttack is..... well hi there shiva, didn't see you come in

[viral yew]

Sorceress

[surreal hazel]

The Moon

[magic grove]

moon

[viral yew]

I love my baby shiva, even if she sucks ass pass 50f

[viral yew]

Oh the hex one

[surreal hazel]

But like, you want +50% omega attack damage? Are you asking shiva or selene for it?

yeah, thought so.

[magic grove]

i want an actual aspect

hi mel coat

[surreal hazel]

mel coat is also slightly broken in the literal sense

the attack speed boost is borked

[magic grove]

i will manifest my disdain for selene coat on my nickname from now on

[viral yew]

Based

[surreal hazel]

if mel coat worked properly it'd be the best one maybe

[flint widget]

i still think nyx coat would be slightly better due to the fact that it has built in shimmering

[wild drift]

Plus the funnest thing about coat (for me) is dash-strike special anyway which attack speed wouldn't help with as much

[magic grove]

What's the issue with mel coat?

[flint widget]

movement speed is bugged so that its lowered but only like 25% slower i think

maybe im misremembering

[surreal hazel]

the attack speed bonus is more like 9%

the move bonus still works fine

[flint widget]

ok yeah im misremembering

[surreal hazel]

it does better on speedruns because it turns out that moving faster is faster

[split igloo]

what's the actual reason? maybe we should report it while they're still patching the game

[surreal hazel]

I couldn't tell you, it's some voodoo

[split igloo]

hmmm, what if you take Nimble Limbs on Selene/Nyx with the same modifier, will they be faster than the Mel coat?

[surreal hazel]

they would

it's literally just how that one bonus is applied is slightly borked

not how the coats generally apply attack speed bonuses (which is actually pretty close to the full effect)

[split igloo]

oh well, wouldn't hurt to report, I'll do it

[surreal hazel]

conversely the reverse is true on thanatos

if you get mel axe to have a 40% improved attack speed from generic bonuses, Thanatos still attacks faster with its "40%" innate bonus

that one I can actually explain a bit better

[split igloo]

it's probably just how animations are sped up, short animations like the coat's lose some of the bonus

[surreal hazel]

well, yeah, but if you get +100% plasma on the coat, you can punch like you're in jojo's bizarre adventure

[split igloo]

Thanatos is the GOAT though, so maybe I shouldn't report it after all lmao

[surreal hazel]

it's literally just the mel aspect bonus that's broken on coat

Looking at the scripts, Thanatos seems to properly adjust the cancel points for the new speed as well as just the animations

so you can cancel into different moves or later hits in the combo sooner

[split igloo]

yeah it has a dodge offset mechanic like all the axes

so how do we report the mel coat, is this fine:

Black Coat, Aspect of Melinoe, attack speed bonus is not applied correctly and is maybe half or even third of the stated value, whereas the movement speed bonus is fine

[surreal hazel]

yeah, the mel coat speed change is handled in one little block and doesn't have adjustments for all of the other moves and cancel points

but it's implemented identically to how nimble limbs works, waaa

[split igloo]

okay, I'll add the part about scripting + Thanatos comparison

[surreal hazel]

maybe don't overdo it

just tell them the net result

[viral yew]

Devs about to be hit with a 1500 word essay

[split igloo]

lol, we don't want Thanatos nerfed do we

[surreal hazel]

no, it's more muddying the waters by possibly being very wrong about the root cause

their the devs of their own game, they know it better than we do, let them work it out

[split igloo]

what about this:

Black Coat, Aspect of Melinoe, the attack speed bonus is not applied correctly and is maybe half or even third of the stated value, whereas the movement speed bonus is fine. Looking at the scripting, it doesn't have adjustments for all of the moves and cancel points (like it's done on the aspect of Thanatos).

okay, I sent it via F10 in-game

but no good deed goes unpunished, expect Thanatos nerfs lmao

[autumn vortex]

Does dionysus and athena keepsake cancel out fates whim?

[wild drift]

Dionysus no, Athena yes

[autumn vortex]

Lol weird

[split igloo]

also, Selene doesn't cancel fw because she's not an Olympian, so you can force her if you want

[split igloo]

Dio keepsake doesn't summon him or offer any boons, so it's fair

[autumn vortex]

I mean all of the things they offer are boons no

Lit says boons of dion

[magic grove]

yes but his keepsake doesn't force him

and selene doesn't offer boons technically

[split igloo]

Dionysus' keepsake simply lets you skip 1 room per region, it doesn't act like the other god keepsakes

[magic grove]

gifts of night is the name i think?

[autumn vortex]

Oh right

Im an idiot

For some reason i thought he gets summoned for a boon

[magic grove]

also selene not an olympian, the fates only have beef with the olympians apparently

[autumn vortex]

And does using the hades arcana that draws any of the reroll arcanas cancel out fates whim?

[austere trail]

it shouldn't

[magic grove]

nope because it will avoid any fates whim arcanas

game is smart

[autumn vortex]

Oh interesting

[split igloo]

you shouldn't use the Judgement arcana unless playing on 64 fear

[autumn vortex]

Guess the same goes for the piggy keepsake

[split igloo]

it's pretty awful

[magic grove]

yeah and the circe offering too iirc

[magic grove]

(or for fun)

[austere trail]

or for the prophecy

[autumn vortex]

Whats the difference between 64 and 67 i saw this so many times that ppl mostly run on 64

[magic grove]

65 is all vows except max void, which means you can still run arcana

67 is all vows which mean NOTHING

[surreal hazel]

"hey, you just got me to dip out of the party just as it was getting good!"

[autumn vortex]

That sounds miserable

[magic grove]

62 is all vows except void which means 30 grasp so its just all vows except the one that sucks the most

[surreal hazel]

zero arcana doesn't even let you have judgement

[autumn vortex]

Ever since i tried out strength i cant play without it

[surreal hazel]

you'll get nothing and like it

[autumn vortex]

What about the piggy

[surreal hazel]

That still works and you can highroll into judgement

but obviously you only proc judgement twice that run even if you do

[magic grove]

67 fear is the equivalent of starting a fresh file except all enemies are faster, stronger, have more hp, bosses become superbosses, you cant heal, your boons become onions, and a bunch of other stuff

oh you still have your aspect, pet, and keepsake at least 🙂

[surreal hazel]

I hope you like your 2/25 odds of hitting it

[wild drift]

Yeah I think Pig was used in at least one 67

by Frei

[autumn vortex]

And circe can draw some arcana too no?

[surreal hazel]

she can, or banish vows

[autumn vortex]

Ooo

[surreal hazel]

except she might banish Void

[autumn vortex]

So i could use kitty for one DD

[magic grove]

banishing a vow doesn't reduce the fear number btw

[surreal hazel]

you get all your grasp back, and no way to select any arcana

[magic grove]

gale is still better i think

idk 67 fear meta

[split igloo]

if you use Circe to banish a vow on max fear, is that run invalid for the leaderboard?

[wild drift]

Yeah but the polecat will save you much more HP than 80+ from kitty

[surreal hazel]

no

[surreal hazel]

it's still 67 fear

[wild drift]

There seems to be a subset of high fear runners that "look down" on taking BNB

[surreal hazel]

BNB also disables the entire vow, all ranks of it

[wild drift]

But I mean you gotta take it if the other options are nothingburgers in any case

[magic grove]

bnb can hit void so its still a gamble

[surreal hazel]

it just will never remove the Vow of Rivals

[split igloo]

but you cheated and removed scars or pain or something substantial, making it much easier

[surreal hazel]

It's in the game, it's cheating as much as taking good boons is cheating

[magic grove]

honestly if you're running surface 67 you deserve to have a vow banished i wouldn't call that cheating

[autumn vortex]

Can it remove rivals too

[split igloo]

I watched Boated's max fear surface run and CIrce offered that and he was like nah we're not gonna cheat

[surreal hazel]

No, that's the one thing it can't

[magic grove]

"oh yeah i got scars removed" yeaaa so the hordes 10 icarus encounter on olympus with 300 armored automatons is coming good luck budddy

[surreal hazel]

That's a self imposed challenge

you choose to play as you gonna, but the game still sees a fear 67 win and that's the objective metric

[split igloo]

so is the entire vow system, it's all optional

[surreal hazel]

quite

[autumn vortex]

I mean its pretty mandatory for farming darkness for weapons but other then that yeah

[surreal hazel]

Nightmare*

but also that only goes up to Fear 24

[autumn vortex]

Im still sruck in hades 1💔

[surreal hazel]

walk in the park compared to 67

[split igloo]

you can also just buy/order it and the testaments only need a few runs unlike 20 (!) per each weapon in Hades 1

[autumn vortex]

Yeah plus hades 1 had resource trading which was a huge boost

[surreal hazel]

still needs 8x6x3 nightmare

[split igloo]

Hades 1 was such a slog to max out everything, here I was done pretty quickly

[autumn vortex]

Especially the true ending

[split igloo]

it's 114 nightmare vs 306 blood

almost one third

[surreal hazel]

well, you get them at different rates, much less available from testaments than H1's blood

but you get to just buy it and charon it

[autumn vortex]

Speaking of hades 1 is there like that super end game thing that was in hades' room

That lets u gain ranks or something

[split igloo]

yes

it is similarly pointless, you just get a medal in your journal + results screen

it takes kudos + boss drops

[autumn vortex]

Yeah and i remember it needed a crazy absurd ammount of resources to max out

[split igloo]

Hades 2 end game is ordering psyche from Charon, buying psyche until you run out of bones, then only picking gravethirst weapons for more bones and gems, then you convert all that into kudos

kudos are used for buying decorations and gaining ranks

[surreal hazel]

It's much lower this time

[spiral wadi]

WHAT

DID THEY SEE THE BINGO

[vernal quiver]

Do we have a bingo filled out now

[spiral wadi]

idk i'll prob fill it out in a bit

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218621088049659930/1496953488783970326/finalbingohotfix2.png legendary

(x means i was dumb and didn't realize vow of scars made old herbal remedy useless even on scars-ignoring heals)

now i patiently wait for hotfix 2 to drop on console

[flint widget]

version 9001

[limber wedge]

noooooo not a proper upbringing nerf

[spiral wadi]

ye i kept updating it same day of so i just threw a random number

[spiral wadi]

it's like not a nerf LOL it's just a funny niche interaction if u happen to use pool of purging or sacrifice a god or whatever

[turbid karma]

· Fixed Proper Upbringing (Hera) continuing to apply its effect if you fell below the element requirement

Do we know if this means all previously taken boons which were rarified by p. upbringing are un-rarified if you go under the limit? or does it only apply to boons you get after p upbringing goes inactive?

[spiral wadi]

oh it just means future offerings

i'm pretty sure

actually someone should test

[turbid karma]

I'll give it a go next time I'm at my pc if nobody gets to it before then!

[hollow stag]

On a weapon that's reliant on Magick with Ares as the main damage source (Attack or Special),

What's usually the 2nd best Ares boon to get?

[split igloo]

Ares needs ALL the boons, you need to commit to Ares

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r81Ork0vBkE

[hollow stag]

What would be the 2nd boon?

[split igloo]

watch the video above

[median anvil]

grevious blow

it's his best boon by far

[final sedge]

wait Fixed Hazard Boom (Icarus) not dealing damage to Melinoë as expected... hazard boon was broken for a sec?? Nooo!!! I would've wanted to use it

"Fixed sometimes gaining Rallying Cry (Ares) from All Together (Hera) prior to having met Ares" - nah, that's working as intended imo

[surreal hazel]

It's consistent with Nervous Wreck to work this way though

that boon can't give you curses from gods you've literally never met

[final sedge]

i'd be fine with nervous wreck causing wounds before ares

[surreal hazel]

(Making it a total ass boon on fresh file runs)

[surreal hazel]

Moot though, it can't inflict wounds

[final sedge]

garbage boon then

[surreal hazel]

But like, won't do hitch until hera has shown up

[final sedge]

I thought it caused all the curses... not just a random one... the wiki says it's random

[surreal hazel]

Fixed an interaction between Mirrored Thrasher (Daedalus - Staff) and Flood Gain (Poseidon) dang. No more infinite thrasher

[surreal hazel]

it picks 3 random ones that victim doesn't have

the boon says that

[final sedge]

i don't get it often, but it feels strong

[vocal seal]

Not sure if this is the right channel, but anyways...
To unlock the ||Aspect of Hel||, I'm supposed to fully invest into either the Aspects of Medea or Persephone, correct?

[split igloo]

yes, but you also need to unlock both

so Lv 5 Medea + Lv 1 Persephone, OR vice versa

[vocal seal]

I haven't looked at the requirements, is either one cheaper than the other?

Resources wise, I mean

[split igloo]

they're all 5 nightmare

and hidden ones are 9 nightmare

[vocal seal]

Sounds fun, I've only beaten Chronos once and Typhon not yet
In time, I guess
How are those two aspects, btw?

[flint widget]

medea has stupidly high base dmg but is super unsafe

persephone is safer but deals less dmg unless u have possessed array

[split igloo]

Persephone is weaker than the default skull, but can randomly add 1-6 starting levels to boons, which is whatever, can't really rely on it
Medea is one of the best aspects in the game, very high damage, but you literally bump into enemies to explode your load, it has no range whatsoever

[vocal seal]

Medea it is then, big damage is big damage
Thanks

[split igloo]

don't load all skulls at once, do 1 attack into special over and over, this way you can do this continuously
also don't take the wide grin hammer for the same reason

[flint widget]

explode your load huh

https://giphy.com/gifs/STRAPPEDUS-speed-ishowspeed-i-show-s5wFafpHxqKbIEERl9

[hollow stag]

What's more useful on Thanatos Axe, Ares Attack?

Grevious Blow or Cut Above?

[vernal quiver]

Grievous and its not close

Grievous is the whole appeal to taking ares at all tbh

[vocal seal]

Ah yeah, just found that tip on the pinned guide, that's unfortunate

[spiral wadi]

something's weird with channel ordering

[mystic mango]

Yeah happened in the last few hours for some reason

H1 is the same order as before

[spiral wadi]

ye discord just like that sometimes it's stupid easy to accidentally move a channel

[sand crow]

Grievous absolutely, but Cut Above is also much more worth it than it's ever been

mr john supergiant PLEASE please give us the ability to dash out of Pan's ospec again

Pan only really feels fun with trick knives right now, and trick knives is just fun on every knives aspect

It feels really sad to charge up a meaty ospec and then have to dodge and you lose all of the magic you put into the attack

[spiral wadi]

real, esp if u hit exceptional talent or premium service ur expected to charge for longer + stand still for longer

[hollow stag]

What's a good fourth god for Medea Skull for

• Ares Attack
• Zeus Special

Apollo Light Smite

[wild drift]

Hestia Smolder Ring for Thermal Dynamics

[hollow stag]

Her Flash Fry too?

[magic grove]

hera born gain if you get parray

[hollow stag]

Does righteous pike boon work with possessed array hammer?

[viral yew]

No

[dull rapids]

I cant get off thanatos because i love mowing

[warped warren]

Hii! Ive been out of the loop for a bit. Anything new on builds for speedrunning?

[viral yew]

Nothing's changed from medea

[warped warren]

Cool. Thank you!

[flint widget]

possessed array still meta as usual

[icy crypt]

does apollo lego make momus fire 6 times or what

[viral yew]

No, only 4

[spiral wadi]

apollo lego only applies to the first omega atk, the momus echos don't

so it's only +1 with et, even with mirrored it doesn't double mirrored pulses

[hollow stag]

Other than Psychic Whirlwind, what's the 2nd best axe hammer?

[magic grove]

depends on the aspect

even psychic whirlwind is not that good on, say, charon for example

[bronze flax]

On Mel's Axe, Dashing Heave, Seething Marauder or Rapid Slash are great imo

I am just happy to see Iron Core if I'm using Nergal

[hollow stag]

How about Thanatos?

Would that be Seething or Colossus?

[manic shuttle]

Psychic + seething

[bronze flax]

If I'm focusing more on using it as a faster Mel's Axe, yeah. Seething is a good hammer in general (besides Charon, of course)

[hollow stag]

If they are both offered in the first hammer, which should you get first?

[bronze flax]

I'd go with Psychic tbh

[manic shuttle]

Psychic

[lyric summit]

I’m a seething believer 🫢

[spark crown]

What if all 3

[manic shuttle]

holy, great hamner but I wouldn't take it over psychic on than

but I'm not a very good than player so

[lyric summit]

Honestly probably the only few instances where I’d pick seething over psychic just to help with early Erebus damage + Ward stripping

But yeah. Can’t go wrong with either

[bronze flax]

If I am leaning on a non-Omega build already, I'd pick Seething over Psychic too tbh

[alpine raft]

that early you just have to take the choices that beat erebus

[opaque granite]

I'm playing the artemis knives and I don't know what hammer to choose. It's between Sureshot flurry, Melting break, and Trick knives. Which one is best?

[wild drift]

Trick Knives is the best hammer in the entire game

Or second best

[opaque granite]

Oh.

Well that sucks, I took sureshot flurry because it sounded cool.

It was pretty cool last time I used it as well.

[median anvil]

parray

[median anvil]

vro 🥀 💔

[wild drift]

Yeah I'm biased against skulls because skill issue

[alpine raft]

tk does more for blades than parray does for skull

[hollow stag]

Sure is, I got 2 moss on my first surface run thanks to Trick Knives, and many other Strong boons.

[alpine raft]

skulls already good

[wild drift]

Also PArray needs extra stuff (Max Magick and Gain) to work, TK just needs your hands

[hollow stag]

Is Static Shock the best boon in the game?

It can easily clear rooms even at Common rarity.

[wild drift]

One of the best ones yeah

Only gets better at higher difficulty because of the Vows of Hordes and Wards

[opaque granite]

Mb.

[alpine raft]

static shock is my highest winrate boon

[hollow stag]

How does Static Shock work?

How does 10 damage do so much damage?

[wild drift]

||oaml saw siht ohw dezilaer tsuj I tiaw||

[alpine raft]

it does a lot of aoe because it chains, single target its just alright

[opaque granite]

???

[wild drift]

Dw I just got absolutely destroyed by Rivals Scylla again because no Hitch

[opaque granite]

Oh. I just got past them pretty easily. Hitch is really good.

I like it on the cast the most.

[hollow stag]

Is there a build besides trick knives that can get you 2 moss on first surface night?

I’m surprised Trick Knives does not have Magick cost for how effective it is.

[alpine raft]

it is unreasonably strong yea

[hollow stag]

Though giving Trick Knives Magick cost would buff it.

[alpine raft]

how so

[hollow stag]

An Arcana card would buff its damage

[alpine raft]

if you mean huntress, thats so easy to activate anyway. needing a gain for trick knives is absolutely a nerf

[wild drift]

Trick Aura would be the new big thing lol Sworn Flourish + Cardio Gain + Incandescent Aura

[split igloo]

so Rivals 4 Chronos P3, you're supposed to count to 12? how does that work?

[wild drift]

Yeah what most people do is run in a counterclockwise circle and count to 12

[split igloo]

any other big attacks to watch out for?

or he's just gonna do the usual moveset

[wild drift]

Completely different moveset:
"cutscene" (12 clock hands, always happens right at the start and can happen at any time after)
dash-slash-dash-slash
big dash with 4 time trails
giant slash (seen in P2)
vacuum-scythe slam
triple scythe throw
triple time bubble
Wringer summon
Clone summon
dash-slash ×4 (can be dash-dash-slash, only happens after 50% HP)
expanding circle stage hazard
rotating clock hand stage hazard

[split igloo]

oh god

I'll watch Boated's guide I guess

...and Boated talks way too much, describes a single attack in unnecessary detail for 3 min, then unpauses and fails to dodge it anyway lmao

guess I'll just have to grind it out

[wild drift]

Biggest advice is to simply get Blinding Rush and/or Nitro Boost lol

Completely changes how you can dodge P3 attacks

[median anvil]

we were asking for it to be balanced in ea but nothing changed

they murdered ospecial instead, which made trick knives even more valuable

[spiral wadi]

can't let the aspect be actually usable

[crimson kestrel]

I just started playing Hades 2, how best to build original witch staff?

[hollow stag]

Ospecial Pan sucked way more Post patches

[zenith olive]

What is yalls top 1 weappn/aspect

[split igloo]

Circe

[flint widget]

staff and its not even close

[zenith olive]

Ive been liking Circe a lot too

[flint widget]

staff got me first 67f so its the all time goat

[zenith olive]

What

[split igloo]

drop casts and spam dash specials, Circe can handle pretty much any situtation safely

[zenith olive]

Whats the english name for the thing you plant enemies one the ground

[split igloo]

cast

[zenith olive]

Oh

Yeah I love Taking hestia cast on Circe aspect

[split igloo]

Hestia and Zeus are the best ones

[flint widget]

any cast is good on circe

[split igloo]

but you also want Demeter because she has a second cast that stacks with your main one

[flint widget]

except sword ring since u cant stack blades

[split igloo]

so you go Hestia+Demeter or Zeus+Demeter (this is better though because you can take air quality)

[zenith olive]

You can take that one with any other cast tho right

[split igloo]

yeah

[zenith olive]

You dont need Deméter cast to get that

[split igloo]

no, any cast is fine

[zenith olive]

Is like any weapon considered bad with any aspect?

Im really bad with axe

But Ive seen here some people like it

[flint widget]

there arent really any bad aspects in this game

some aspects and weapons are just clearly better than others

[split igloo]

Pan and Selene are the weakest aspects

[zenith olive]

Oh yesh pan looks terrible

[flint widget]

base pan is terrible yeah

if u get specific hammers tho it becomes an absolute monster

[zenith olive]

Well yesh

I guess If you know every Hammer and boon on the game

You can plan a build thatd bê monstruous on anything

[opaque granite]

How hard is 40 fear?

32 fear was so fun that I thought I might want to try out 40 fear.

[flint widget]

id say it isnt all that different from 32f

it just become a lil more challenging

just slightly tho

[opaque granite]

Okay.

Also how should I be using Origination

[zenith olive]

yo same

[opaque granite]

It just seems really weird to use for me and it seems like it works sometimes but sometimes not.

[zenith olive]

i myself just try and get 2 things that give constant effects

[split igloo]

just apply 2 status effects from 2 different gods and that's it

[zenith olive]

which could be essentially anything

[split igloo]

it's exactly like the confusion in Nioh

[zenith olive]

i tried doing a max fear run for memes after getting 32f and died in 10 chambers

im afraid if i go for 40 fear i will need to like actually learn how to dodge attacks

[flint widget]

whats ur 32f and 40f setup

[opaque granite]

What's max fear again?

[split igloo]

40f is pretty easy, I did it today, just don't take rivals 4 obviously

[zenith olive]

oh im taking rivals 4 if i go for it

i just finished 32f and unlocked it i wanna see what its like and win a run with it

for chronos

only got 24f on surface so far

[flint widget]

67f

[split igloo]

rivals 4 is a long fight, you will probably die the first few times unless you stack hp really high or take moon water

[flint widget]

only like 12 people have an underworld 67f clear and 8 people have surface 67f clear

[opaque granite]

Oh dang. That's crazy.. I wonder how hard it is.

Probably very.

Have you done it? You seem to know a lot about the game.

[flint widget]

yes

[vernal quiver]

Surprisingly its not insane to get used to

[zenith olive]

i kind of just put what feels ok to me but i will probably go for most optimal if i try 40

[flint widget]

turns out having no arcana is a pain in the ass

[opaque granite]

Ooh, cool!

[vernal quiver]

But its not nearly as obnoxious has max heat in h1 was

[flint widget]

yeah

[vernal quiver]

There's a lot of skill expression avaliable in 67f, although you do still need a nice amount of luck its not crazy

[opaque granite]

Then how have only 12 people done it? You make it sound kind of easy.

[vernal quiver]

Because 1) barely any of the playerbase goes over 32f, 2) even more people stop at around 45-50 because thats when you cant brute force things anymore, 3) there is a certain amount of patience needed to get a good 67 run going that not everyone has

[opaque granite]

So it's not that hard but people just don't want to do it?

[vernal quiver]

Imo anyone that clears 62 can clear 67 with enough time

[zenith olive]

what do you consider the worst part of a 67f run

[flint widget]

rng

[vernal quiver]

Yeah

[zenith olive]

is it really chronos?

[vernal quiver]

Getting out of erebus tbh

[zenith olive]

i meant like ingame part/area

[flint widget]

scylla

and its not even close

[vernal quiver]

Yeah getting out of erebus is rough and scylla is a huge wall

[zenith olive]

omfg im terrible at scylla at 32f already

[flint widget]

shes the main chokepoint besides erebus ofc

[vernal quiver]

The second you beat scylla you have a run to chronos if you arent messing up

[zenith olive]

ok so im glad im like

having the standard experience on 32f

i lost all DDs on hecate/scylla and didnt need any other one on all the rest

[flint widget]

turns out having no arcana makes the game quite harder

[vernal quiver]

Yeah im not saying its easy but its not as hard as people think it is

[warm helm]

Unless you’re playing without Gale but that’s just a whole different thing lol.

[flint widget]

true

[split igloo]

play with Strength instead of Death, it's better

[zenith olive]

no way

i am heavily dependent on DDs

[split igloo]

40% damage reduction, it's very tanky, and you also deal +20% damage to enemies, it's amazing until very high fear

[opaque granite]

What weapons are good for 40f?

[zenith olive]

i think i take more than 2.5x my healthbar damage on scylla most of the times

but honestly i can see it

i could try it

[vernal quiver]

Anything really! The game doesnt start punishing certain weapons and builds until 45+ but youll find lots of ease with mel staff, circe, eos, nyx, mel skull

[opaque granite]

Okay. skulls have always been cool for me.

I'll try it out.

You're really nice, thank you Plum!

[split igloo]

magic can be an issue if you take max hubris

[pure steppe]

Im looking for good high fear builds besides the typical medea, anyone have anything fun they frequent? bored doing the same run over and over

[dim quartz]

How high of fear

[pure steppe]

40+

[dim quartz]

Supay is my only 50 I think

[pure steppe]

do you do poseidon sprint? ares blades?

cuz i used to run supay as poseidon sprint hestia special and wtv else

[dim quartz]

Zeus sprint is really good

[flint widget]

pos sprint is the only sprint that hitstuns enemies tho so like

[split igloo]

I just did a 40f Circe #h2-victory-boasting message

[flint widget]

automatically best sprint

[pure steppe]

oh right theres a full thread for ts

also ik its nbot as good as it used to be but take anubis and aphro special w poseidon duo

still hits like a semi truck

[spark grail]

Does the reduced magick cost from chaos blessing effect possessed array?

Or is it set 25

[flint widget]

parray doesnt use magick it loses magick

so its completely unaffected

[mystic mango]

Yeah any increases or decreases to magick cost do not affect p-array

Only thing that affects its cost is Latest Model from Icarus which reduces it to 20

[spark grail]

Goated ty

[delicate sorrel]

Is shimmering moonshot + static shock + electric overload with stuff like blitz or hitch as crazy as it sounds?

[zenith olive]

if i shouldnt play with death to play with strngth instead

then what pet should i use

[delicate sorrel]

Depends on the aspect. For my fav aspects I like Gale for Medea and Raki for Circe

[mystic mango]

The meta build for staff is generally dual moonshot, shimmering moonshot, Zeus attack, Hera special, static shock

[delicate sorrel]

I see

Been ages since I played non-Circe staff

[mystic mango]

Safety use gale, magick-heavy weapons use Hecuba unless you want to roll early for a gain, speed/damage use Raki

Gale is the standard for high fear

[hollow stag]

Ares only is better than going for Ares and Zeus duo

Unless you got the duo on region 1

[mystic mango]

I mean I’ve done it and I’ve seen people hit the ares god build and, while it’s really strong, it takes a lot of boons to get working and that can take until near the end of the run to even see its effects

But light smite heinous still wins if you manage to squeeze Apollo in there

The sanguinary profuse god build takes, at minimum, 5 boons

It’s doable, I’ve gotten legendaries in region 1 or early region 2, but it’s very rare

[delicate sorrel]

Can confirm. Couldn’t even hit profuse bleeding all run in a jpom run today

Was mad

[mystic mango]

Also making it truly amazing does heavily rely on getting Apollo and Heph which requires you to get a very early cut above so you have chances to get their duo

Since now none of the other blade-creating boons count towards sanguinary for some reason

Sword ring, stabbing rush, and profuse bleeding were all removed from the sanguinary requirements

Which I understand removing ring and rush because now the legendary is wounds-based but not moving profuse from group 2 to group 3 doesn’t make any sense to me

Since now cut above and profuse both create blades but only cut above can be a legendary requirement

Even though grievous has the same tier 2 requirements as profuse

[drifting rose]

What’s yal favorite weapon to build with?

[mystic mango]

Personally I find torches to have some of the most fun builds but I’m kinda biased

Mel/Moros torches are some of the only weapons that are seriously affected by attack speed increases

Other significant one being Hel which turns into a machine gun if you stack attack bonuses

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1490818496995524781/33E5DB1.MP4?ex=69ed2b6b&is=69ebd9eb&hm=b9847f7f4bed88f1f7f473e088d9b06bea9770964d89fbc69c79e751650b4105&

[drifting rose]

Moros build is so good with Zeus

Torches is rlly an amazing weapon might be my second favorite build to run

[mystic mango]

On special usually, the damage gets a bit limited if you take it on attack since it becomes animation limited

Blitz can only apply and deal damage as fast as its animation can finish

So hitting an enemy several times very fast doesn’t give multiple hits of blitz

[drifting rose]

I can’t get hel cuz I can’t get that stupid phrase form Medea

[mystic mango]

Have you fully upgraded Medea or Persephone skull?

[drifting rose]

If you get that one hammer that make it spin faster it could work

[drifting rose]

Medea

[drifting rose]

What would the best thing to combo with it?

[mystic mango]

Well then it’s just unfortunate dialogue override then. Just gotta keep talking to her

[mystic mango]

For blitz usually it’s best to have it on an off-handed move that you use less often. That way you can squeeze it in to apply blitz then go back to your main damage

[drifting rose]

I have been at this for an hour

I’m so unlucky

[drifting rose]

Ahhh

[drifting rose]

Like your cast?

[mystic mango]

Blitz is only on attack and special

But like it’s really good on torches special since it’s basically free damage

[drifting rose]

Make sense

[mystic mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1482338538862416075/Hades_II_2026-03-14_06-12-53.mp4?ex=69eca458&is=69eb52d8&hm=aa1a44f84d725a230bd11e555d98c8d33eae522b4cbda628e0f66e6498d41493&

[drifting rose]

Would it be good to run blitz on the special and burn on attack?

[drifting rose]

Oh wow

[drifting rose]

How do you have more then one keepsake?

[mystic mango]

Scorch would get damage capped very quickly unless you got a good pyro technique to increase scorch’s damage rate

[mystic mango]

Some last multiple regions such as all the fates’ whim keepsakes

[drifting rose]

Also for this to work do I need the aspect to be maxed

[drifting rose]

Ohhh k

[mystic mango]

That’s just Eos. All that Eos aspect upgrade does is increase the damage of the blast coming from the Daybreaker

[drifting rose]

O

So it kinda doesn’t matter?

[mystic mango]

Generally the play if you’re running blitz special torches is to run hestia cast so you can get the thermal dynamics duo

Which makes blitz apply scorch as well

Scorch attack usually isn’t THAT worth it on torches cause of the attack rate, it’s fine though if you get a good pyro technique or get freezer burn duo

[mystic mango]

It can, I’ve had omega attack top my damage board before

The daybreaker deals a TON of damage especially if you get something like Apollo attack

[drifting rose]

Alr alr got it

[drifting rose]

What aspect?

[mystic mango]

Any of them

They all love blitz special

[drifting rose]

Apollo is so good for about everything rlly

[mystic mango]

Including Supay

Apollo’s drawback is needing other stuff to apply curses if you don’t get blinding rush or solar ring

Since dazzling display is a tier two boon and relies on chance

But Apollo can do insane damage and the area increase is massive on some weapons

[split igloo]

have you unlocked all skull aspects, you need Medea lv 5 + Persephone lv 1, or vice versa

[mystic mango]

Blitz is S tier for a reason. Everything gets better if they have blitz

Blitz can carry an entire damage board just by existing sometimes

[drifting rose]

Nah I haven’t unlocked one of em do I need to?

[split igloo]

...yes

[drifting rose]

O

[mystic mango]

Actually I’m pretty sure you just need one maxed unless they changed that requirement from H1

[drifting rose]

Blitz is rlly versatile it seems

[mystic mango]

And actually in H1 you don’t even need to max any of them

[split igloo]

yes, it's different now

[drifting rose]

This must not be the case anymore

[mystic mango]

I’m aware it’s different that’s what I was saying was how it changed

[split igloo]

unlock both non-default aspects, max out either
that's the requirement

[mystic mango]

Yeah I only ever heard “max one” not that they had to both be unlocked but the way of unlocking and upgrading aspects has also changed a lot

[split igloo]

In Hades 1 you just spend 5 blood on literally anything, any spread is fine
but in 2 you need to unlock both non-default aspects, then max out either

[drifting rose]

Ohhh

Alr thx yall

[drifting rose]

I can’t find poppys for shi

[mystic mango]

Yeah sometimes it feels like you’re showered in resources then other runs you get absolutely nothing

[mystic mango]

Are you taking Gale to increase flora chances?

Each of the familiars corresponds to a resource that they increase the chances of appearing

[drifting rose]

Nah I have not been

I lowkey fogort about that Thx for the reminder

[mystic mango]

It helps a lot

Obviously

[drifting rose]

Was an good build for aspect of pan

[mystic mango]

Usually most people just say trick knives or nothing. But usually if you want to play the omega special then you should hunt for hidden knives and the one that makes you omega special channel faster

Then you can go for something like poseidon or hera for special

And try to get something that throws your cast like glowing coal, howling soul, or lightning lance

[magic grove]

non tk pan is still pretty alright

Poseidon special still pretty good yeah

[mystic mango]

Flat damage buff is big yeah

Does really need jpom to go off though

[drifting rose]

Ohh ok thank yall

[mystic mango]

Also reaper knives is huge

Cause extra base power which is obviously better if you’re going for a % on your special

Dancing knives also got added to pan in the last major patch which actually is very good on it

Since your omega special can only hit one target but dancing lets it bounce

Bad though if you go for trick knives since with dancing knives your damage with trick knives is cut in half since dancing knives means it can’t multi-hit the same target

[drifting rose]

Wdym by %

[mystic mango]

Boons that apply a % buff to attack or special

Hera, Aphrodite, Apollo, Demeter and Ares

Poseidon and Hestia are flat buffs

And Hephaestus and Zeus are unique damaging effects that aren’t per-hit like Poseidon and Hestia

The % buffs are additive on top of Strength, Furies, Origination, and any other damage buff boons so depending on the ability the flat buffs can be significantly stronger

[drifting rose]

Also what is fate whim

[mystic mango]

Fates’ whim is used by the post-credits keepsakes you can unlock, which require you to not use rerolls or god-summoning keepsakes to use

They’re very powerful, with Jpom giving 3 Pom levels to every applicable boon you collect and giving you a random hades boon from the start of the run

Fates’ whim is the meta of high fear

[drifting rose]

Would an flat dmg or % be better for an special build

[sacred storm]

is circe supposed to be able to draw death with red divination when you're running strength? can't remember.

[mystic mango]

It depends if you get reaper knives early. Otherwise a flat buff would probably be strong

[mystic mango]

Yes

[drifting rose]

Hmmm alr

[mystic mango]

Hestia wouldn’t be as optimal as Poseidon

Scorch applies more damage but its damage rate is limited to 100/s without pyro technique to buff its rate

So if you’re hitting an enemy with a ton of knives it’ll likely go over the scorch limit and waste damage

[alpine raft]

both are good though