#h2-builds-and-combat

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rustic parcel
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But yeah I'll work on it

flint widget
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experimental hammer tbh

split igloo
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that's why I said to not rely on the shield, you need to dodge

rustic parcel
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I do dodge

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I'm pretty good if I do say so myself

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I'm just saying I'll probably take like 50 damage throughout a region

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Especially on the surface šŸ„¶

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But yeah I'll use hammer when I get it, somehow I haven't bothered getting it yet

split igloo
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are you using casts at all? you're supposed to CC enemies with casts

rustic parcel
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Yeah I cast ofc

split igloo
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you also deal 30% bonus damage to the enemies inside casts, Furies arcana

rustic parcel
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Yup I have that

split igloo
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anyway with blades you can take arctic ring from Demeter, and then you can just freeze enemies before you start stabbing them

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it's pretty safe

rustic parcel
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Oh that does sound great

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Wondrr why I havent been doing that šŸ¤”

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Anyways thanks for all the help guys

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Oh actually one more thing, is there a way to start charging an omega attack without doing a normal attack? It keeps wasting my crits

alpine raft
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no

rustic parcel
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That's annoying

alpine raft
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although wdym by stealing crits

rustic parcel
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It uses up one of my artemis aspect thingies

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My omega attack is the strongest thing I can be using at once so I want to crit with that as much as possible, but obviously that gets cut in half currently

jolly aurora
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so for 67 fear whats the aspect of choice

vernal quiver
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Mel staff

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Although like over half the weapons atp have cleared it

jolly aurora
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realy

vernal quiver
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Yeah 80 base damage special is insane

jolly aurora
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cause im gonna hate that i barely like it

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i like staff the least on a good day but for this hell no

vernal quiver
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Have you cleared 62/65 fear??

jolly aurora
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no planning to do it like i did all my others

vernal quiver
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And again like half if not more than half of weapons have cleared 67 and in theory all can just mel staff by far has the easiest time(hence why it has like 10+ separate clears while other weapons maybe have 1/2)

jolly aurora
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62 is prop gonna be starting point but otherwise its gonna be brute-force

mystic mango
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62 fear vs 67 fear is a whole different beast

vernal quiver
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65 vs 67 is also an insane jump

mystic mango
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Yeah was gonna say

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Cause at least judgement makes you full power by the end

jolly aurora
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62 i say cause thats the highest i can go without restriction to arcana

mystic mango
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Nobody really plays 63 or 64 unless theyā€™re like removing a different vow for whatever reason

jolly aurora
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other than that hardest part is to just get enough dps and used to attacks so i can not die and clear fast enough

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like i can prop do 65 with not to many issues but dps is gonna make or break it

mystic mango
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65 fear is early game gauntlet because of judgement but plenty manageable after region 2 if youā€™re lucky from what I hear

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Main trouble is clearing Scylla with bad arcana if youā€™re unlucky

jolly aurora
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yeah same as my other high fear runs cause my build usually only goes up in oceanus but gotta go get dinner

vernal quiver
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A run that clears 62 probably clears 65 if you work hard enough through erebus and oceanus

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Although orig on its own makes or breaks things šŸ„€

jolly aurora
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I could clear with just judgement and orig

mystic mango
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Best bet at 65 is usually to take the 7 arcana setup to increase your chances of getting good arcanas sooner and guarantee you donā€™t get screwed out of any later on

vernal quiver
mystic mango
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As far as I know

jolly aurora
wild drift
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People usually go Strength + Persistence or Swift Runner + Persistence + Artificer right?

vernal quiver
wild drift
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I think my Judgement 55f went Swift Runner + Persistence + Artificer

mystic mango
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50 fear was a decent step up from 40 for me. 40 fear was pretty casual eventually but 50 makes you really start to hate wards and such

jolly aurora
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But honestly its purely cause i havent played seriously since 100% achievements

vernal quiver
# jolly aurora 32

Ok you're a loong ways out from 62 then lol, the game starts ramping up quick at 45+

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60 -> 62 is also a mean jump

jolly aurora
mystic mango
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Turning on wards, hordes and return is when the brain melt starts to set in

jolly aurora
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With wards grit and speed thingy

vernal quiver
mystic mango
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Pain 3 is a big hurdle for a lot of people, myself included. Same for scars 3

wild drift
mystic mango
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Turning on scars 3 is when the game becomes truly unforgiving

vernal quiver
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45+ starts being evil because grit and hoards start getting added so everything gets compounded on itself

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Since like more enemies with more hp means more fangs, longer encounters, more clutter to mess up, more wards, more return balls

mystic mango
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I willingly did hordes 3 wards 2 for my first 50F clears so I could settle in to just how bad it was gonna become

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But I refused to play return yet

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Return hurts my soul

vernal quiver
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Until then game knowledge can carry but once 45+ is reached you gotta start being mechanically better with more picky decision making

tacit crow
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What are haelians controller settings for runs? Is it just default for every weapon

jolly aurora
mystic mango
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Yeah you can get by on 40-50 off just good RNG and maxing out on healing and health

odd bolt
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I think you can cheese 50f with a good build even if youre not mechanically insane at the game

vernal quiver
odd bolt
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As soon as you go above 50...

mystic mango
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Hordes and grit is genuinely just fun to play at lower fear

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But higher is when it hurts

jolly aurora
mystic mango
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Hordes and grit donā€™t come through clearly on just how bad they are until youā€™re doing rivals 4, return, fangs, wards, and pain 3

odd bolt
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I've seen people say they like hordes because they like the ASMR of more enemies dying

split igloo
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why use god mode for something that doesn't even give an achievement and is purely just for bragging rights

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and you don't get bragging rights if you did it with god mode

vernal quiver
jolly aurora
mystic mango
vernal quiver
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1:30 on one room alone not cuz ur slow but because 500 fish have to spawn 10 at a time with multiple seconds in between

odd bolt
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It's all fun and games until Icarus hits you with hordes 10

mystic mango
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Itā€™s cathartic to run hordes 3 grit 3 and just have everything not die instantly on hit

vernal quiver
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Icarus dropping the population of a small country just to give you nothing rewards

jolly aurora
odd bolt
mystic mango
odd bolt
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Then he offers hazard boom

flint widget
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1 million harpies

vernal quiver
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Thank god I stopped playing surface after my 65f

mystic mango
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I do like Icarus for heph builds if he happens to give me the attack or special levels or the Pom slices one

split igloo
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btw does anyone ever take Icarus' cast boon, the one that does 500 dmg to enemies and 20 to Mel

mystic mango
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Explosive intent Eos goes hard

flint widget
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nobody

odd bolt
vernal quiver
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Not unless youre trolling

wild drift
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There's someone who has (hazard boom enjoyer) in their username here lol

flint widget
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almost nobody

mystic mango
vernal quiver
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It denies so much space for like no payoff

odd bolt
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It's the kind of mistake you only do once

vernal quiver
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And why add in the risk

split igloo
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does it scale with strength/orig/etc

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could be cool if it crits for like 2k

flint widget
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plus theres a funny softlock glitch with hazard boom

wild drift
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Took it on Circe once for double the area denial šŸ”„

split igloo
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I guess it's okay with a ranged cast

wild drift
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Create your own Rivals Cerb arena ANYWHERE YOU WANT with the wonderful Winner's Circle + Hazard Boom + Aspect of Circe combo!

mystic mango
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Hazard boom gaming

jolly aurora
odd bolt
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Surface is a troll route

wild drift
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If only the dps mod was in vanilla

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Just make it a clickable menu where we can see what every boon did by itself

odd bolt
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Icarus dropping hordes 10 on you, Circe if you pick the arcana card one can mess you up, Dio is just a troll, nat Athena also super troll

wild drift
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Cause that "Casts" damage is Hazard Boom + Glowing Coal + Solar Ring + Geyser Spout

mystic mango
vernal quiver
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odd bolt
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Thessaly is hand crafted to be the worst region

jolly aurora
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Hate full release cause it broke my if I remember correctly 40k dpm before dmg buffs torch build

odd bolt
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The boat layouts, Charybdis, the enemies

mystic mango
vernal quiver
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Genuinley zero appeal to surface if it wasn't for ephyra

odd bolt
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I hate it so much oh my god

mystic mango
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Circe hurts me

flint widget
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probably the best pick besides frenzy

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speaking from a high fear standpoint

odd bolt
flint widget
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on low fear yeah thats buns

mystic mango
jolly aurora
odd bolt
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Thessaly is just soooo baaaaad in every possible way

mystic mango
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I was still 4:14 at Circe when she got rid of timer

vernal quiver
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Nightmare blunt rotation of erebus -> thessaly -> elysium -> Styx for a run

mystic mango
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That run was I think like 17:00

split igloo
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oh yeah, what about Dio's boon which gives you mystery hp, is that one ever worth it
I still have the prophecy for it lol

wild drift
flint widget
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its so worth it imo

odd bolt
flint widget
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extra hp always good

odd bolt
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He has so many bad boons this one is like legit good

split igloo
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but you don't know how close you are to buying the farm

mystic mango
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Yeah girth or smaller stature are both great

wild drift
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Worry Free + Spiritual Affirmation + Water Fitness zagluv

flint widget
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bottomless drink and worry free probably the only worthwhile dio boons

mystic mango
flint widget
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oh yeah also happy haze

odd bolt
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The Dio cast boon is the worst boon in the game

mystic mango
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It actively makes casts worse yeah

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Less furies up time

split igloo
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I like the one that gives you a bonus curse, hangover or something

vernal quiver
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Does that count for orig??

mystic mango
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Yeah hangover also does pretty crazy damage at epic and heroic

vernal quiver
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Ik scorn doesnt and neither does arty mark unless im crazy

split igloo
mystic mango
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Hangover should yeah could just check its tip and see if it says itā€™s a curse

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But yeah art mark isnā€™t a curse

flint widget
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its a curse yeah (dio)

mystic mango
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Kev had it in their surface WR

vernal quiver
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Funny since atp you should already have origination active anyway

split igloo
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it's great for Rivals Prom

mystic mango
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Let Kev get two curses off omegas

wild drift
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I think Mark counted as a curse in H1 but I almost never ran Pee Status anyway

odd bolt
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Marked probably doesn't count as a curse cause of raki

mystic mango
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Yeah mark is a separate thing since itā€™s not applied by you

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Hangover in world record Dio you goat šŸ

stuck plover
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Does this mean Dio Hangover = actually-good in Hades 2?

I guess hypothetically (unlikely) it can do an upper limit of like. 6K damage to one enemy before global mults at Heroic if all hits crit which would be appreciable especially if it applied at every Typhon phase. Though even at 400 damage per enemy it's... mildly nontrivial, especially if can apply on multiple phases?

(or is the wiki out of date and it can multiapply)?

flint widget
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hangover can only apply once

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and the wiki is hella out of date dont use that

mystic mango
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Itā€™s good for clear depending on weapon but you get it so late into the run itā€™s not that useful

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Itā€™s insane on torches

stuck plover
flint widget
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cuz some weapons dont use omegas that much

mystic mango
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Cause it only procs on omegas and many weapons never use omegas

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Torches uses a lot of omegas

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Torch omega special is insane with hangover

stuck plover
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Ooh! Makes sense

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Also probably adds a lot of value to the blade Omega, even if that isn't something usually used lots

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Axe omega is also already strong and wide-hitting

mystic mango
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Blades ospecial is decent for applying curses to large groups yeah

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Since it pierces

jolly aurora
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question is death worth using

flint widget
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of course

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is that even a question

jolly aurora
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cause i wont be able to aford it realy

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plus im gonna try getting defiance4

vernal quiver
jolly aurora
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one that disables time instead of arcana

vernal quiver
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What?? I mean like the grasp setup not vows, theres zero reason why you cant fit in death or strength on a setup

jolly aurora
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i do but death just messes with my need for defiance

flint widget
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what

jolly aurora
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but im trying death rn and honestly im just messing around trying to see what works

split igloo
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Death is the card that gives you the defiances (revives), Strength is the opposite, no defiances, but you're much tankier (and deal bonus damage)
you're meant to pick one of them, not both

jolly aurora
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i know sorry i meant stubborn

vernal quiver
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Oh the Athena boon?? You take it anyway having dds naturally from death doesnt change that

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Or you want renewed faith for refills, or any other of her useful things depending on the weapon, no need to warp the gameplan around 1 not confirmed boon you wont see until r3

jolly aurora
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i kinda pick her on second depending on how many close calls ive had

vernal quiver
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She generally isnt taken until r3 because r1 and 2 are taken by jpom and chrolex respectively

jolly aurora
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tbh im not to versed in fear strats cause i forgot most of it cause ive been occupied

jolly aurora
vernal quiver
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Yeah she shouldn't be taken in oceanus at all regardless of how erebus went

wild drift
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I've taken her in Oceanus a few times after losing all my DDs to Hecate + timer lol

jolly aurora
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i pick her mostly cause ive had realy close calls in incounters and i generally die once on final streach of scylla

vernal quiver
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I guess im just a bit too high fear pilled šŸ˜­

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But having close calls in erebus is fine but like, if youre hinging taking death over an r2 athena take death because r2 athena actually sucks

mystic mango
vernal quiver
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You give up whim super early, lose the hades boon, now you have no money cuz you give up chrolex

vernal quiver
mystic mango
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I mean really though Iā€™m sure it does

jolly aurora
flint widget
mystic mango
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Thatā€™s easily one of the hardest things in the entire game

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Is being incredibly weak for an entire region with no arcanas at all

flint widget
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ive seen mfers call 62f boring after theyve beaten 67f

vernal quiver
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I joke around on 62s lmao and ive choked to 67 gramps so much šŸ˜­

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Like just having origination feels like a special treat that lets me do whatever and it works šŸ„€

jolly aurora
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orig is god given power to beat all

spiral wadi
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ye turns out orig is one of the most important arcana cards

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it directly makes other dmg amp boons not as relevant

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which in turn causes dmg amp boons to become extremely valuable at 67 fear

spiral wadi
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bc like, if u have glamour and sweet surrender then u get both dmg reduction for yourself and dmg buff in general

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and it's like funny cuz it's two aphro cores that is far easier to obtain than tall order which i think sweet surrender epic still outpaces?

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point is tall order is a meme infusion

split igloo
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Thanatos is such a GOATed weapon, handled both rivals Hecate and Scylla just fine, only took like 20 damage on each
got a great build too, flutter strike, nova flourish, storm ring, blinding rush, glamour gain, as well as gigarosh dash

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oh and a chaos boon with +85% special damage

rustic parcel
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Man scorch js way better than I thought

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Getting some crazy damage with jt

split igloo
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scorch needs pyro technique to really shine

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otherwise it can be kinda slow

rustic parcel
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Yeah for sure, I was melting chronos when I got that

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Did like 10% of his health before his first attack in the second phase

split igloo
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it's really good on Circe and Anubis

dawn quiver
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Question for high fear players: how often do you manage to win a run? Are bricked runs just par for the course?

vernal quiver
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How high are we talkin

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Cuz 62 is always winnable, its all decision making and your own execution

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Id only start calling runs fr bricked for 65/67 when luck is more prevalent

flint widget
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what plum said

dawn quiver
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Interesting, thanks for the input.

flint widget
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but tbh 62 isnt always winnable u can still get screwed over by bad gods, bad room rng and bad boon luck just like in 65/67f

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just less often due to the existence of arcana

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speaking as a 67f clearer myself

dawn quiver
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Is there a specific fear that people have off for 65f or is it just whatever the player doesnā€™t want to deal with

flint widget
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void 4

lyric summit
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Judgment RNG can really make or break a run for some weapons for 65F

dawn quiver
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Oh right yeah that makes sense. And is 62f more variable or full arcana

lyric summit
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Yee

flint widget
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full arcana is always gonna be more consistent

lyric summit
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Turns out arcana cards are powerful šŸ«¢

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Turning off lovers, DDs and origination can really show how carried you were before šŸ’€

flint widget
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origination is probably the best arcana card tbh

dawn quiver
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And does your pet matter much hahaha

flint widget
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ofc

lyric summit
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Gale or nothing

dawn quiver
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I was thinking gale was top tier, just not at my skill level

flint widget
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raki exists

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frinos is just for nergal

lyric summit
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Though Iā€™ve sorta been using a lot of Toula for Soupy 67 lately

flint widget
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nobody takes hecuba on max fear

lyric summit
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Whoā€™s Hecuba šŸ™‚šŸ™‚

flint widget
dawn quiver
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I didnā€™t really notice hecuba doing much in my story playthrough haha

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Gale was a constant reminder of my inability to dodge

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Ok thanks for the responses. Currently clearing out the post game, was wondering about high fear. Cheers

mystic mango
lyric summit
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Poor Hecuba. Genuinely did use her a lot more in early access

mystic mango
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As a torches enjoyer I do play Hecuba a good amount

lyric summit
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Yeah back then I was only playing Moros and nothing else šŸ˜‚

mystic mango
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Eos my crutch beloved ā¤ļø

flint widget
mystic mango
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Should be a gif

flint widget
mystic mango
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Also latest episode, holy exposition narrator can they just shut up sometimes gah damn

flint widget
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narrator gave megumi more aura

mystic mango
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JJK writer try not to explain literally everything that is happening in the most convoluted and stupid way using the narrator challenge (impossible)

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Gege please let us figure out something for ourselves for once

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Also like triple Gojo glazing in a single episode

flint widget
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the anime really made megumi show his potential, man

mystic mango
flint widget
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next episode boutta go crazy

mystic mango
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Iā€™m just trying to enjoy a fight while trying to comprehend wtf the narrator is explaining to me about how his damn domain works

flint widget
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same thing happened with yuji vs higuruma

mystic mango
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ā€œSee itā€™s this because that and itā€™s this because itā€™s not that and itā€™s incomplete but it is complete cause he did this but it still isnā€™t so that makes it strongerā€

flint widget
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i was lowk locked in reading the subtitles and watching the fight at the same time

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lowk became mahoraga and adapted to that shi

mystic mango
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JJK fans adapting to the terrible exposition and 5 million subtitles per second

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Also how do I tell this poor soul that i, in fact, really donā€™t want to watch solo leveling

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Iā€™m sorry bro they recommend it to me and I just really donā€™t want to

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ā€œOh hey you should watch Cyberpunk Edgerunners itā€™s amazingā€ ā€œah cool you should watch solo levelingā€ bro Iā€™m sorry these arenā€™t the same level

split igloo
flint widget
flint widget
mystic mango
# flint widget what

Using testament to save their random seed after saluting is what theyā€™re referring to

flint widget
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we still salute no matter what

mystic mango
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So you can save the first boon

flint widget
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cuz then itd become unseeded not seeded

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not saluting the oath makes it seeded

mystic mango
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I mean if youā€™re not submitting runs šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø but yeah

split igloo
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wait, submitted runs have to record from the crossroads?? but that still can be cheesed if you checked it in advance then undid the night

mystic mango
# flint widget peak anime vs peak slop

Edgerunners rewired my brain and convinced me to play 2077 obsessively for a few weeks. Meanwhile solo leveling is something I feel Iā€™d have to get drunk and hate watch with somebody

flint widget
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but it cant be cheesed since saluting the oath changes the seed

split igloo
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ah, you salute regardless, okay then

odd bolt
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or you show a death

split igloo
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but then again, what stops you from running a bunch of filler runs until you get what you want regardless, it's just gonna take more time

odd bolt
flint widget
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that doesnt make a winning run invalid

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(as long as u salute the oath every time)

odd bolt
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Part of the fun of speedrunning (to me) is trying to do as best as you can with what you're given, also, even a bad start can make an insane run as it's impossible to know whats going to happen

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And yeah for high fear I was only able to do 62 with god tier luck at the beginning lol

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Like, even if I'm running 50f surface for fun if it's selene chamber 1 I'm undoing night

flint widget
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unless ur running selene coat but whos playing selene coat its ass

odd bolt
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even if you're running selene coat*

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I'll not try to invest on Skyfall I'll just play aspectless coat

mystic mango
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Oh youā€™re responding to them saying for runs

split igloo
flint widget
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meta in what

split igloo
flint widget
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so like builds?

alpine raft
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well those builds tend to win the most because theyre the best but quite a bit is viable

flint widget
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ofc they dont want ass builds

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ass builds = low dmg which is bad for time

odd bolt
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if you're going full tryhard and want that top 1 spot get ready to undo night with medea

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but like, and that's my experience, I picked an aspect I like and tried to make the best build possible to it until I got a time I was satisfied and sent to src

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I even got better timings later but didn't even submit them lol

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I was not undoing night all the time, cause even a bad run was still practice so I wouldn't fumble on a good run also helped me tune out my decision making

split igloo
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do you stream literally every attempt on twitch, because that's better than recording yourself?

flint widget
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what

odd bolt
flint widget
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not everyone streams

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i have mine set to 120 mins

odd bolt
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Yeah I actually did 120 as well

split igloo
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huh I didn't know that Steam had such a feature

flint widget
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they have for quite a while

odd bolt
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33gb of recorded footage lol

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90% is hades 2

split igloo
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all the constant recording can shorten the lifespan of an SSD, and they're kinda pricy nowadays due to the AI boom

flint widget
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i have mine at like 6 gb or smth cuz i delete footage thats already uploaded to yt

odd bolt
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it pretty much has only steam recordings and some games

split igloo
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that's pretty smart

odd bolt
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but also i have like a bunch of clips not even like actual runs just funny moments here

torpid oak
mystic mango
limber wedge
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When I get the Hera boon that turns 1 boon Heroic

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And I sell it for Kings Ransom

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That boon stays heroic right?

mystic mango
surreal hazel
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Also trufax, if you get hera's legendary, selling it or ransoming it afterwards only removes the 5 elements it grants, not the infusions

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This two boons are some of the reasons King's Ransom is generally more stable than Queen's Ransom

vocal heath
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I thought the +1 to +3 from the rarity of bridal glow gets removed, or it did last time I sold it

split igloo
mystic mango
icy crypt
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how many levels should i generally be going for from kings ransom
i only getting +8s and +12s because they pop up too early

vernal quiver
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uhhh generally you dont take either of the ransoms funny enough, theyre very gimmicky and having to give up hitch tends to be a bad decision, although that sounds relativley average if youre only ditching some of the less valuable hera things

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you can also just like not take the boon when it shows up and bank on it later if you really wanna take it

mystic mango
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If Iā€™m doing master conductor coat at lower fear or something you know damn well Iā€™m taking that kings ransom

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Who needs hitch when you one-shot everything anyways cause of 100-150 damage per static shock hit

flint widget
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tho it is funny when u do get it on high fear

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i remember getting 225% hera special from queens ransom during one of my max fear attempts

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(pan tk reaper)

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managed to get to promacles easily

mystic mango
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Found it

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I didnā€™t have much important Zeus but Iā€™d hamstered away two DDā€™s during Promacles and died to R.Typhon

wild drift
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Sadly I think Hitch is capped at 100%

vernal quiver
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its not iirc

wild drift
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Nice

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I just heard some player say it Idk who could've been Boated or purple

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In an old video

mystic mango
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Does it only apply damage actually dealt to the target or does it reflect the actual number shown

crystal viper
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which is the best build with Hidden Aspect: Morrigan

flint widget
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apollo attack

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and aim for either sweeping ambush or final slice

mystic mango
#

Skulking onslaught or rapid onslaught are good to go with either of those hammers

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or wicked onslaught

flint widget
#

rapid onslaught is kinda eh on morrigan

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considering the channel time is already good

mystic mango
#

It's better than 90% of the special boons tbh

crystal viper
#

Really? I managed to beat Typhon and Chronos (on the surface) with just Hephaestus, but that's not the best way?

mystic mango
#

I'd still take it over sureshot or dancing knives

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Dancing knives automatically makes the weapon worse since you can't multi-hit the same target with special

flint widget
mystic mango
#

With oattack to do most of your clear

mystic mango
#

I do quite enjoy playing heph special on morrigan

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Since it just adds to your execution ability on larger targets since you rarely use your special anyways

crystal viper
flint widget
#

special is just there for triads and curse application tbh

mystic mango
#

You can absolutely take heph special apollo attack

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as said

crystal viper
#

ah

mystic mango
#

it's a very solid combo especially if you take apollo cast for daze and get rude awakening

crystal viper
#

ok thanks bro i go try

flint widget
#

also the funny boon dazzling display

mystic mango
#

I find myself dropping cast on guys more often than sprinting at them

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At least for speed sake

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But yes I take blinding rush more often on most runs

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The extra sprint speed is huge for time

crystal viper
#

So I have to take Apollo's attack, Hephaestus' technique, and Apollo's rush?

mystic mango
#

Don't have to, no

flint widget
#

tbh unless u find a high rarity blast heph special is kinda eh imo, id much rather get something that applies a curse like blitz wounds etc

sharp gale
#

honestly pinion or melting frequently better

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and of course wicked, skulking, and triads above those

mystic mango
#

I'm just saying if you're specifically going for final slice or sweeping ambush it's not a terrible option but yeah

sharp gale
#

rapid doesnt affect channel speed on the morrigan

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its okay with final slice, outside of that its not good

mystic mango
#

It doesn't? Weird. Special speed on Hel affects ospecial charge

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So assumed it was the same

sharp gale
#

the morrigan is a very weird aspect

sharp gale
spiral wadi
sharp gale
#

also it leads into premium service which is very good

spiral wadi
#

tho it's not like rapid really helps on basic attack anyway

sharp gale
#

hammers like lying

spiral wadi
#

lol nice

split igloo
#

Morrigan's special is so slow, how do people proc triad with frenzy on

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do you just do it point blank

sharp gale
#

point blank makes it easier ya

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also positioning yourself so you get multiple triads with one special instead of having to throw it over and over

south copper
split igloo
#

the animation is so long it locks you in place, that's kind of my general beef with Morrigan, its animations are drawn out and lock you in, but the special is especially bad

south copper
#

Yeah it is a slow dagger one, must be great for those who favor the ax

wild drift
#

Can Shadow Servants not be hitstunned? I was watching Dark Omen Thanatos 62 and there was a moment where they got smacked by Charybdis Shadow Anchor whose armor was already stripped while it was getting hit by Psychic Whirlwind

wild drift
#

I guess Anchors are just the buggiest crappiest enemies in existence cause Shadows definitely can be hitstunned

surreal hazel
#

They still get armour

spiral wadi
#

to not be hitstunned when they should

#

it's been like a persistent bug since ea that auto seekers also share

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it's inconsistent which is why sgg prob hadn't fixed it which still sucks ass

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u can get it very consistently on auto seekers if ur using the olympus platforms, then land right when auto seekers are in self defense mode

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this forces the auto seekers to immediately quit out of self defense without removing the unstaggerable property

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so hitstun becomes ineffective

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actually i wonder, since swift runner for some reason insta-resets anchor attacks specifically (which is very cool tech that should stay), if it has any involvement

spiral wadi
gritty widget
#

i remapped my controller to have special on zl and attack on zr
Feels so much better than feeling the acid in my thumb with y x a and b all being mashed in combos

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thinking about potentially remapping casts too

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to only have dash for thumb

alpine raft
#

im thankful ive been on keyboard since day 1

flint widget
#

im thankful that i have legendary hand dexterity cuz imo controller really isnt that bad

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i still have default controller bindings and nothing bad happened

mystic mango
#

He rebound the buttons to match Xbox since he played H1 on that and theyā€™re flipped

flint widget
#

charon really isnt that bad on controller

mystic mango
#

So special on X and dash on B is really awkward to hold without claw gripping or flattening my finger on the buttons

#

Iā€™m just not used to it

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Claw grip isnā€™t hard

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But personally Iā€™d rebind a button or two to a shoulder

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Playing MHRise on controller made me thankful some of the attack buttons were already set to shoulders

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Since I play 90% of stuff on KBM

flint widget
#

im the opposite tbh i play on controller almost all the time

icy crypt
#

how good is glorious disaster on charon
or is geyser spout just better

odd bolt
#

i don't even think glorious disaster works with charon

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and in general its just not that good

icy crypt
#

did they change it

wild drift
#

Yeah I believe Ocast boons used to be incompatible, not anymore though

icy crypt
wild drift
#

Yeah Aphro is probably only good in the crazy Exodia scenario that you get Flutter Flourish + Tidal Ring + Lucid Gain + Island Getaway

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My favorite is Hera for Hitch but Apollo huge AoE is meta I think

vernal quiver
#

Hera will always be best choice for hitch but apollo also makes the cast easier to hit so :P

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Whichever comes first take it

flint widget
#

beat promacles again on max fear

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getting consistent šŸ”„

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i died to tail tho cuz unlucky pattern

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and cuz i got spawn camped room 1 of summit

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legit why cant gale block as soon as u enter a room

mystic mango
#

Global timer moment

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Same reason unseen ire would be totally broken if it wasnā€™t a global timer

vernal quiver
broken lichen
#

How is Travel Deal compared to Quick Buck actually?
Say I've got offered both at Epic at first region, which should I get?

wild drift
#

I would take Travel Deal

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Sometimes Quick Buck is overkill, would rather have a chance at an extra boon or health/DD

alpine raft
#

yeah travel deal is a lot of extra boons

surreal hazel
#

Travel deal is fire

#

Also gives a fire element

tough torrent
#

I do find myself being out of money for the end shop sometimes with travel deal

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But like its worth it

surreal hazel
tough torrent
#

Yeah with that

delicate sorrel
#

I got my 20 Fear clears with Skulls (Medea), Axe (Charon), and Stuff (Circe). Iā€™ll probably get it with Coat (Shiva) too. Give me your broken fun builds with Flames and Blades - as you might have guessed from my fav aspects, not that great with dodging

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For context, I have 10+ Fear clears with those two as well but they feel clunky

wild drift
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Flames:

  • Mel with Zeus special, Static Shock, and Air Quality
  • Eos with Hera special
  • Supay with Zeus special, Hestia cast, Hera sprint, and Aphrodite gain
    Blades:
  • Trick Knives
  • The Morrigan with Hera attack and Zeus special
lean lance
split igloo
#

can also grab glamour gain and sweet surrender for even more damage

icy crypt
#

do i just do a fine line build once i get possessed array on medea?
aiming on this thing is such a pain even tho it does so much dmg

split igloo
icy crypt
#

is there an autoaim like with a controller?

split igloo
#

controller doesn't auto-aim Medea, it acts like a dash

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but you control it with your left stick, which is much more precise than WASD so it feels fine

icy crypt
#

so just git gud on the mouse?

split igloo
#

no other option

icy crypt
#

maybe mapping the atk load to shift will help
worked for me on beowulf

alpine raft
flint widget
#

chronos just did time slow into cutscene šŸ’€

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and i somehow broke his ankles holy

manic shuttle
#

Rush speed delivery

mystic mango
#

Nyooom

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Hermes said ā€œI see that timer in Olympus let me help you out a bitā€

manic shuttle
mystic mango
#

ā€œWhat is that clanging sound?ā€

manic shuttle
#

But the godsent does no damage because typhon hitbox takes some time to get actualized for some reason

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Sgg fix this please

manic shuttle
mystic mango
clear sail
#

im kind of stunned the pom exists as a keepsake if you get even a Little lucky it gets very broken veryquiclky. but then again i guess its to carry u through high fear runs

icy crypt
#

Is fine line good on Charon?

spiral wadi
#

if u can support the mana i don't see why not

clear sail
#

does zag only appear in erebus or smthn? god he keeps thrashing me šŸ˜­ why does he do sm damage. and bc he's only shown up in erebus i usually go into the fight w/o much health or boons so i feel like im kind of doomed in this regard

vernal quiver
#

only in midshops iirc and its just a percent chance

umbral horizon
mystic mango
#

If you donā€™t fight him when he shows up he shouldnā€™t reappear

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Youā€™re gonna be significantly more powerful on average when fighting him on surface and fighting him can potentially be a time saver in Thessaly if youā€™re strong enough

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I basically never fight him on UW though because of how weak I am in Erebus and how short the rooms are in Oceanus on average

ruby hedge
#

anyone have some tips for heaphestus, cuz i barely use him?

wild drift
#

For his attack and special (and sprint) you pretty much need poms

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But aside from that he's always nice to have as a third or fourth god because of armor

mystic mango
#

Once you have Jeweled Pom he gets a 4 second reduction on all his blasts from the very start

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Every rarity is a 2 second reduction

surreal hazel
mystic mango
#

Lvl 2 is a 2 second reduction and every one after is 1 second

mystic mango
mystic mango
surreal hazel
#

Obviously not if you beat him first time

#

Mmm. Heph is actually pretty greedy on duos too

mystic mango
#

Yeah that was my point

surreal hazel
#

4 duos purely devoted to blasts

mystic mango
#

Duos are where most of his power comes from

mystic mango
surreal hazel
#

5 if you include servi

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Ninja'd

mystic mango
#

Idk who sent it first since I know thereā€™s a delay. shows first on my end

surreal hazel
#

The other duos are no slouch either. Coffin nail is an absolute beast

mystic mango
#

Yeah coffin nail is stupidly strong on the right build. Sword ring, stabbing rush, and cut above can do some crazy damage in the right setups

surreal hazel
#

Master conductor is disgusting

mystic mango
#

Heph has some of the best duos in the game IMHO

surreal hazel
#

Brave face with fixed gain is lulzy

mystic mango
#

Just on how much stronger your build gets if you have them

#

Chain reaction is literally just ā€œyou do double damage now if you arenā€™t lazyā€

surreal hazel
#

Rude awakening with chain reaction goes nuts if you use solar ring as your daze source

mystic mango
#

Yeah

surreal hazel
#

Since it just redazes in a single tick

mystic mango
#

My preferred 4 gods for heph builds is Hestia Poseidon and Apollo

#

But Demeter is a solid contender

surreal hazel
#

Cryo pounder is... actually technically not great

#

But 50% more explode is still mot bad

mystic mango
#

Itā€™s not terrible but the damage is additive yeah

#

So doesnā€™t stack like rude awakening

surreal hazel
mystic mango
#

Since rude awakening is anywhere from a 150% to 60% FLAT damage buff

wild drift
#

Lol I always forget about Love Handles as a blast duo

mystic mango
#

Rude awakening power is multiplicative so itā€™s way better that cryo

surreal hazel
mystic mango
#

And also daze lasts longer so the timing is less strict without cold storage

surreal hazel
#

But hey, sunny D works on it

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Funny really

mystic mango
surreal hazel
#

Grand caldera was the apollo heph duo, and had no bonus power

#

I miss it purely because it was called Stellar Slam and that name is fire

mystic mango
#

Come on and SLAM

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If you wanna JAM

surreal hazel
#

And then we have duos like hailstorm that just... exist I guess

#

Felt like a placeholder when they brought it in to replace the obsolete apocalyptic storm

mystic mango
#

I mean Iā€™ve had hail storm show up on top damage but it was like only 30k over the course of some 3 regions

#

Itā€™s just so inferior even to something like tropical cyclone

surreal hazel
#

But it's never a build target

mystic mango
#

If it hit more times for smaller damage it would be somewhat worth using cause of air quality

#

But itā€™s basically useless because origination alone already gets it to 45 damage

#

If it was more akin to gust damage then it might be worth AQ-ing

surreal hazel
#

Any other global puts it into >50

mystic mango
#

Yeah

#

I basically never take AQ anymore

surreal hazel
mystic mango
#

I mean I had my Heat Rush build that was doing like 86 damage per tick without even rallying cry or extended family IIRC

#

But I did have heroic sweet surrender

surreal hazel
#

Heat rush... I always feel disincentivised to take it

mystic mango
#

Itā€™s nuts on Supay

surreal hazel
#

It feels like a lot of rush boons are like this, they don't work towards that god's t2 nicely in many cases

mystic mango
#

21k damage to rivals cerb

surreal hazel
#

I kinda wish heat rush made a fireball like beach ball does so we can have a core boon making fireballs

mystic mango
surreal hazel
#

But taking away beach ball would upset every fresh file runner ever

mystic mango
#

I slept on heat rush because I didnā€™t consider that even at common it does nearly as much damage per second as scorch while not needing to be applied in multiple hits

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At epic itā€™s 120 damage per second so it outpaces scorch without any buffs

surreal hazel
#

The pools used to last longer when it was legendary

surreal hazel
mystic mango
#

Yeah thatā€™s the one thing holding it back versus nexus is not having a curse

surreal hazel
#

Smolder ring is super strong for a reason

mystic mango
#

Yeah smolder ring is damage close to storm ring while filling a curse

surreal hazel
mystic mango
#

Yeah blinding rush is free and the speed buff is just inherently good

#

I wonā€™t argue heat rush is great on 23/24 weapons

surreal hazel
#

Proccing on dodge and sorint is so good

mystic mango
#

But on Supay itā€™s insane

surreal hazel
#

Technically lightning rush does that too but.... it's lightning rush

mystic mango
#

Lightning rush wishes it was heat rush or nexus rush

surreal hazel
#

And you with zeus had iffered a blitz boon instead

#

Blitz is way more damage and a curse. It's stupid how much better it is

#

And if we're still talking supay.... yeah

mystic mango
#

Nah Zeus is gonna offer you lightning rush, ionic gain, and power surge and youā€™re gonna say ā€œgee thanks uncle Zeusā€

surreal hazel
#

Supay LOVES blitz

mystic mango
#

Zeus is very strong on supay yeah

#

Between static and blitz

surreal hazel
#

Tiny base power? No problem

mystic mango
#

Bridal glow storm ring carried one of my Supay 50F runs lol

surreal hazel
#

Supay's entire special system is ridiculous with hitch or blitz

mystic mango
#

Nexus rush just solos regions 1 and 2 as long as you donā€™t get unlucky and get a lone stronger enemy

surreal hazel
#

Yeah

#

That range buff it got kicked it into S tier

#

A far cry from proto nexus sprint

#

But hitch was treated very differently then

mystic mango
#

I never played during EA so still learning what the Wild West days were like lol

surreal hazel
#

Nexus sprint did no damage BUT

#

Each rarity or pom added +1 hitch chain, so when it proccee it hitched the target +x nearby enemies. In quite a range

#

Engagement ring was +3 seconds cast duration and acted like rousing reception that spread hitch.

#

Didn't do anything else, not even hitching enemies walking into the cast

#

Rousing was split off as they tried a few different things for engagement ring

mystic mango
#

I remember informing somebody that sword ring does in fact create swords on new enemies entering the cast so long as it isnā€™t too close to when the cast ends

surreal hazel
mystic mango
#

I think like itā€™s only for the first 2 seconds of the cast or something

surreal hazel
#

But only if they weren't slowed a tick before

mystic mango
#

But makes super nova a lot more viable on sword ring than a lot of people considered

surreal hazel
#

So basically only when entering the ring

surreal hazel
mystic mango
#

Yeah I like sword ring Charon

surreal hazel
#

All curse casts work the same

surreal hazel
mystic mango
#

Yeah since it lets you just walk past enemies to drop a sword on them

surreal hazel
#

yep

#

or with a little jinking and coffin nail, multiple swords on one enemy

#

(It's not really viable tbh, just get in range so that +100% omega damage procs)

#

still kinda silly that Gyser Spout still dwarves hostile environment for damage, but they multiply so eh

#

and it is nice that demeter provides local climate

#

just... hostile environment might be the least likely Duo in the game to get accidentally

mystic mango
#

Yeah cause unlike something like static shock, which requires a very specific singular boon, many people are already taking static shock anyways

#

Less people are willingly taking sword ring or meat grinder

surreal hazel
#

Glorious Disaster needs prominence flare, so that's also quite fussy

#

but Idk, I feel like Ares T2s are something I pick more carefully and meatgrinder isn't often one of them

mystic mango
#

Yeah Iā€™d say Sunny Disposition, Hostile Environment and Glorious Disaster are the rarest duos

#

Cause like thereā€™s very few circumstances where you even take the stuff that it needs

surreal hazel
#

Cut Above is often my preferred T2 since it gives sword drops that way

mystic mango
#

Let alone actually get the duo

tough torrent
#

Is the mini crits based on missing hp a tier 2? Idr

#

Oh is blood spree a tier 2
I like both of those

#

A nice purple blood spree is run winning half the time

#

At least at 32

manic shuttle
#

Nope they're both tier 1, only grievous is tier 2

tough torrent
#

Tier 2 boons are fake news I guess

manic shuttle
surreal hazel
manic shuttle
#

I thought t2 meant boons with a prerequisite

surreal hazel
#

depends if you define T2 as "not a core" or "reliant on some other boon"

#

I was defining it as just non-core for what I was talking about

#

I agree that it's a little confusing

#

And even more confusing when you talk about boons that have offering requirements or boons with hard requirements

manic shuttle
#

You can get mutual destruction, blood spree, cut above as the first boon from ares, so they're t1 in my terminology

#

Core boons area core boons, no need to label them additionally imo

wild drift
#

Yeah Ares T2 for me would be Grievous Blow and Profuse Bleeding

manic shuttle
#

Same

wild drift
#

Starting my Chronos Rivals 4 practice with the custom Chaos

#

Mel Staff with Heaven Strike, Sworn Flourish, Smolder Ring, Static Shock, Hereditary Bane (all Rare Level 0), and Dual Moonshot

#

Once I can beat him twice in a row I'll practice on Pain 3 then once I beat that twice in a row I'll start doing 62s

surreal hazel
manic shuttle
surreal hazel
#

Tier zeroes almost

#

for cores

#

At some point I wanted to map out what the game's actual tech tree looked like in terms of hard requirements

manic shuttle
#

@surreal hazel more importantly, does back burner work in typhon fight

surreal hazel
#

Trying to think if there are any True T3s and there's got to be something

#

ARguably Heinous Affront, kinda?

#

Although that's more just having two hard prereqs

#

Burning Desire does

manic shuttle
#

If only master conductor required electric overload

#

But it doesn't

surreal hazel
#

vastly improved by it, but yeah

#

it's already fussy in that it needs exactly static shock

wild drift
#

Uncommon Grace technically a T3? Can you get Proper Upbringing as your first Hera? (I know you can get Uncommon Grace as your first Hera funnily enough)

surreal hazel
#

you can but I'm pretty sure PU needs one of each element before she'll even offer it

#

so it's unusual for it to turn up early

#

yeah, just looked it up

#

needs one of each non-aether before she'll even consider it

surreal hazel
#

it doesn't require any other boon to function

#

if you go by hard requirements, even Fire Away is tier 1

#

since if you get it via Boon boon boon or just trade in your smolder ring after getting it, it still works fine

grave parrot
#

yo is giga cleaver no longer a thing its been like 9 runs and ive gotten no giga cleaver from hammers

alpine raft
#

unlucky

dapper elbow
#

I am playing with a controller and wondering when I should turn off aim assist for weapons. Like which ones benefit with it off

flint widget
#

everything benefits with aim assist tbh

stark tiger
#

100% leave it on. If you need to finagle where things like lobbed casts go, grab the Eternity arcana for that particular build

flint widget
dapper elbow
flint widget
#

thats the thing tho

#

the block is absolute ass cheeks

#

dont use it its better to dodge

fierce citrus
flint widget
fierce citrus
#

Just get born gain and you chilling

flint widget
#

omega attack blocking is inconsistent as hell tho

#

some attacks that look blockable are not

fierce citrus
#

Yea the blocking sucks ig they didnā€™t wanna repeat with Zeus shield

#

But itā€™s amazing damage

flint widget
#

plus you need magick in order to block, its not like the old axe special block in which its fast and doesnt cost magick

fierce citrus
#

You can get apollo legendary and itā€™s amazing combined with aphro attack

#

The block itself is meh

#

But the damage

flint widget
#

thing is

#

unless youre playing shiva theres absolutely no reason to use omega attack

fierce citrus
flint widget
#

shiva is the only time its even worthwhile

fierce citrus
#

I donā€™t think Iā€™ve ever used nyx tag

flint widget
#

thats crazy

#

nyx is the goat coat

#

or well the coat goat

fierce citrus
#

I havenā€™t played this game in like 3 months šŸ˜­

flint widget
#

well hop on theres gonna be a new update in like two weeks

fierce citrus
#

I remember I was trying get 55 fear with an aspect of every weapon

fierce citrus
flint widget
#

u missed a lot during that time

fierce citrus
#

Whatā€™s happening?

flint widget
#

uh check the announcements channel

fierce citrus
#

I havenā€™t been on anything online related life šŸ˜­

#

Oh god damn

#

Whatā€™s that torches weapon at 28 seconds new aspect maybe?

flint widget
#

bro thats supay šŸ’”

opal pecan
#

fghukfghjfghjfgf

fierce citrus
#

Do thatā€™s supply

#

Whatā€™s those stuff around it though

#

Iā€™ve never seen that unless Iā€™m tripping

flint widget
#

thats supay when it has heph special

opal pecan
#

....the omega special?

fierce citrus
#

Ohhh alright make sense

flint widget
fierce citrus
#

Though we getting new torches

#

Wishful thinking

flint widget
#

why would they add a new aspect tho

fierce citrus
flint widget
fierce citrus
flint widget
#

im grinding surface max fear currently and then im gonna quit the game

fierce citrus
fierce citrus
flint widget
fierce citrus
#

I still wanna get a 62 before I completely stop

#

But Iā€™m not putting return on

fierce citrus
flint widget
#

yes

#

i have proof

fierce citrus
#

Gawd damn congrats

flint widget
fierce citrus
#

You said Mel staff ofc so I thought you were being sarcastic

flint widget
#

mel staff is the aspect almost everyone uses to clear max fear for the first time

#

other than foolish purple hookie and frei ofc

fierce citrus
#

Oh really

#

I thought Medea mainly

#

Iā€™ll watch this later today I lowkey feel like watching some hades gameplay

flint widget
fierce citrus
#

Yea fair

lyric summit
#

Welcome backu šŸ‘‹

opal pecan
#

Why would that be sarcasm

#

Medea is more for speeds

grave parrot
#

yo whats the most optimal (generally) fear loadout/selection for ascending in difficulty. like the easiest modifier combos i guess?

spiral wadi
grave parrot
#

getting higher? maybe not like 62 but if i get there ill get there i guess

spiral wadi
#

gotcha

#

i think the ones u def want to get the hang of right now would be forfeit, denial, and rivals

grave parrot
#

šŸ˜Ø

#

yeah i have ZERO on forfeit and denial

spiral wadi
#

losing the ability to boon stack does suck i get it but learning how to play around that now will be great skills to have at the forefront

grave parrot
#

i maxed all the gimmicky ones cause theyre pretty easy tbh . . .

#

like the return thing and the enemies from the next region and whatever

#

and the blue hearts and armor perks and whatnot

spiral wadi
#

ye knowing how to play around return and fangs is solid too

grave parrot
#

what about the stat modifier stuff is that better to add early

#

like frenzy and damage and those ones?

spiral wadi
#

lmao ye, thankfully as long as u know how to play ur wep u gradually get to learn what boons u need and don't need and all that good stuff

#

o yea frenzy too

#

pain is like recommended to have a few points up if not max

#

personally i didn't put on pain until way later

grave parrot
#

hmm

spiral wadi
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frenzy 2 tho is def smth u should put on first

grave parrot
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also for the wounds or scars or whichever one makes healing weaker

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if you max it to 3 and 0% can you just not heal?

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does like nergals regen work

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or other stuff like blood spree i guess

spiral wadi
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yes asterisk, there are very few edge cases like nergal where healing will work thru scars

grave parrot
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so is it just like food drops/shop item and fountains dont work?

spiral wadi
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the cases i remember are

  • nergal
  • ghost onion (dora's keepsake)
  • life tax (hades' blessing)
  • self healing (apollo's infusion)
grave parrot
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wait does moon water work im a moon water merchant

spiral wadi
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nah

grave parrot
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šŸ„¹

wild drift
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Chaos Revival boons do too

spiral wadi
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not even godsent, moon water will simply not heal

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oh right chaos revival will heal u

wild drift
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And the most useless one Vampiric Cataclysm

spiral wadi
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truu

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healing from hammers also ignores scars

grave parrot
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ok and then how much does hubris prime you for cause ive been too scared to use it lowk

spiral wadi
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anyway yea food, fountain, charon items etc will not heal

grave parrot
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++ if you purge a boon does the prime go away !!!

wild drift
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Though I see high fear players take Moon Water for the impervious node and the damage boost node

spiral wadi
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ye purging a boon removes the prime effect

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honestly if ur not playing a magick aspect hubris is free fear

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cuz there's zero gameplay difference if u fully prime out, besides just not being able to use omegas

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and to be real this game hates when u use omegas so it's like generally free

grave parrot
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what if i play charon axe though

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šŸ„¹

spiral wadi
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if u are playing for magick then u kinda just pick up a few magick pots and still be fine

wild drift
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And the Uncanny Fortitude boon actually considers your magick limit without the priming

spiral wadi
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just make sure u have a good gain boon

spiral wadi
grave parrot
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neat

wild drift
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As long as you get Lucid Gain, Charon can work with 45 magick (with Giga Cleaver)

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But that's actually one of the reasons why I hate using Charon because I NEED Apollo lol

spiral wadi
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i would say climbing with charon might not be the best idea cuz of how relatively difficult it is to clear high fear with it

grave parrot
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cripes

spiral wadi
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would recommend like mel staff or circe staff

grave parrot
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circe

spiral wadi
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they're powerful at base (so doesn't mind forfeit) and are incredibly synergistic with boon variety

grave parrot
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circes the psychic link one?

spiral wadi
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ye

grave parrot
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o k . . .

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hey can your casts crit by the way ive been curious

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like if you have pressure points or sum

spiral wadi
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ye

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with the exception of smolder

grave parrot
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hmmmok

spiral wadi
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and maybe hera cast idk

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but ye in general cast cores crit

grave parrot
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thanks a lot homie domie

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spiral wadi
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np, gl on the climb

wild drift
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How did I only just realize I can just Ocast to activate Huntress when on auto-fire lol

final sedge
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Rivals typhon kicking my butt. The whole damn fight is much harder.

lapis acorn
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Out of curiosity what is the best weapon/ build for higher fear? Iā€™d like to try to get into some higher fear rooms

mystic mango
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And just spam normal special and dash attack

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Does like 1000 damage per click and can chain to enemies with shimmering

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The base power buff on Mel staff is insanely strong

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But like what are we considering ā€œhigh fearā€

lapis acorn
mystic mango
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Enjoying a good are two different things

lapis acorn
mystic mango
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I donā€™t really like playing Medea

lapis acorn
mystic mango
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But like for ā€œhigh fearā€ we talking like 32, 50, or 62+

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ah okay then just use anything

lapis acorn
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Iā€™ve been using an axe build thatā€™s super fun (Thanatos aspect)

mystic mango
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Safest weapons in the game are stuff like Circe, Eos, Moros, Nyx, Mel Skull, Morrigan

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Than works with the right setup, really needs psychic whirlwind though

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Especially once you start putting wards on

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Nergal is pretty free as well with the healing

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I had basically no issue doing up to 40 fear with just whatever weapon I picked up but 50 fear is once I started having to genuinely consider what I was playing

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I am still working on going higher and goal is a 62 clear. Iā€™ll maybe try 65 but I doubt Iā€™ll ever try 67

lapis acorn
mystic mango
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Than is lawnmower aspect

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Get psychic whirlwind and just cut the grass

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Nergal is the same way but larger whirlwind with more damage and faster charge time

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Just less hits

lapis acorn
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I tend to go for the hammer double bonk, and the slam hammer and either Apollo or Zeus on the main attack

mystic mango
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Hell splitter is a build that exists but will absolutely suck ass once you start adding wards and grit and canā€™t just one-shot everything

lapis acorn
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I just liked the bonk build (guess itā€™s no to low fear only)

lapis acorn
mystic mango
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Apollo special for exceptional talent and Hera attack for hitch. If you want more raw damage Aphro is an okay option

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You wonā€™t use the special much but doubling the length of whirlwind with exceptional talent is big

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If you donā€™t get it itā€™s not the end of the world though

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Aphro or Apollo is a good secondary for attack if you donā€™t get Hera but they donā€™t have a curse. A really high roll on Hestia is solid since the hits on whirlwind are fast and you could take Demeter special or cast for freezer burn

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But % buffs are generally stronger cause of the inherent crit chance

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If you can find something like Sea Star, Ares plasma, or Double strike you can get Success Rate from Hermes which affects the Thanatos mortality crit chance

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Cut above coffin nail is also quite strong on whirlwind

icy crypt
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am i supposed to be able to just ooga booga on typhon and win without dodging

mystic mango
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If you stand under his chin the laser canā€™t hit you if you just dash towards him since the hitbox is at the tip of his tongue

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And just step back when he does the little cyclones

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If you got enough damage you can just bum rush him

icy crypt
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i havent been reacting to the chins fast enough
so im taking like 400 dmg for the fight
granted i have my dds tho

mystic mango
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The moment you see him pull his head back just walk away

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Itā€™s harder to dodge sideways since you have to i-frame it due to the large hitbox

icy crypt
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ah
ive been trying to iframe it

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haven't been very successful

mystic mango
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Yeah itā€™s easier to just dodge away from him cause he gives you a big telegraph

icy crypt
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divine dash is so much worse here than in h1

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because of the single dash

mystic mango
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Well also the enemies in this game that have projectiles are often harder to deflect

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Least in my opinion but yeah also the single dash

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But I personally prefer ā€œdodge the enemyā€ over ā€œjust get this boon and dash like a crackheadā€

surreal hazel
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or just aren't projectile based in the first place

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most enemies are melee focused instead

mystic mango
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Yeah that too. A lot of the game is focused around ā€œuse your cast to hold melee guys in place or keep them off of you and take them out at rangeā€

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The very few ranged enemies in the game can be menaces though between automatons, satyrs, stalkers, harpies

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The DAMN worms

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Which youā€™d only ever get to use deflect against if you took amulet region 1 or 2

surreal hazel
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A lot of other projectiles are slow and homing or nonsense like Tempus

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basically you don't get witches as an enemy in every biome

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It's one of the reasons Fire Away is kind of a meh Legendary, even though it would be incredible in H1

dapper elbow
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When is reckless abandon good

wild drift
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When you have Air Quality

mystic mango
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Anubis

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Anything that has a lot of hits on attack

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You can also get success rate and take card to try and get more chance out of it

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But yeah air quality makes it basically a win-win

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Also if youā€™re doing something like Hel, blades or coat the majority of your damage is likely coming from god effects and not the main hit itself

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If you are doing Zeus, Poseidon, or Hestia attack for the flat damage

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On Hel it absolutely rips because it turns a rapid attack into a potential death ray because of splashes plus chance for massive hits

wild drift
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Unless I've gotten my math horribly wrong, with Reckless Abandon and Exhaust Riser on coat you would be getting an average of 345 damage for every dash-strike (466.5 with Air Quality)

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I kinda want to do an Air Quality + Reckless Abandon + Exhaust Riser fun run now, rerolls are BACK

mystic mango
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And also think of splash/scorch damage

wild drift
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Oh yeah the math was done with base common 5%

mystic mango
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Okay yeah so only gets stronger from there

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Thing is like coat dash attack is already getting buffed just by the 55 damage lol

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Let alone the 555

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I do wish it was possible to get Dio earlier in the run but obviously we get why since some of his boons are pretty strong and wouldnā€™t be balanced to earlier regions

tough torrent
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can we call the 555 dio-crits

rare grove
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Does air quality make that boon usable

gritty widget
tough torrent
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idk

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i found Hel intensely unpleasent to play so haven't really used it much tbh

native spear
rare grove
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either you get an exodia with hel or you lose horribly

tough torrent
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The few times I tried hel, it made my wrist hurt terribly each time so

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When I said unpleasant to play I meant physically so lol

manic shuttle
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I don't like button mashing weapons myself too

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Either

wild drift
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Yeah that worked for me, the only annoying thing was the special cancelling your dash if you happened to dash as it came back to you

mystic mango
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Hel took time to grow on me

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I definitely used to strongly dislike it because I hadnā€™t figured out how to use it

tall notch
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Hel is slept on, it's a solid weapon even if a little slow

surreal hazel
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the attack button is sorely lacking out of the gate

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regular special really saves it for being a curse spreader

ember frigate
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any tips on increasing anubis single target damage? i have no problems dealing multipe enemies but dont have enough damage for bosses

manic shuttle
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Also Heph & Zeus are very good on special for extra damage

mystic mango
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Learn the spacing on it so you can get your attack and omega attack on the same target by running up, charging, then dashing while charging to get the omega attack on them

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Then just spam omega special

proper cloak
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The omega special is great damage on anubis fr

mystic mango
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Absolutely itā€™s just so massive and pulls in from such a large area

proper cloak
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Anubis gotta be one of the coolest weapons

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I like how many strategies are viable with it

flint widget
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surprisingly it is one of the few aspects which hasnt got a 67f clear yet

mystic mango
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Yea you can basically use the attacks as a big zoning tool for enemy spawns while focusing down big guys with omega special

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Or catch big groups of stronger enemies in the omega attack

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Itā€™s a very interesting weapon and yeah I feel like itā€™s only due to nobody wanting to try it that it hasnā€™t done a 67

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Since it feels like it 100% could

proper cloak
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Its damage is a little low before you get an attack or special boon perhaps?

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Supay too. This is one of the things I struggle to get over with supay

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I feel like time3 + forfeit kills it so hard

mystic mango
restive bolt
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hey rq - does winter harvest apply to chronos? it's that or epic weed killer and idk what would be more impactful for this speedrun

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ok so am i crazy or does winter harvest not affect prometheus in particular?