ik that startled me when i saw it 😭 i guess kids play this game probably (the swearing filter)
#h2-builds-and-combat
clear sail
clear sail
yeah i do that cause i think i can get away with it
i never can 🥲
grave parrot
he does so much damage in so little time i always get whooped for like 200 in the last 10 seconds of the fight when i get lazy
clear sail
literalllyyy and then i get screwed trying to get to the summit.. i still haven't reached typhon and i 100% blame prometheus
grave parrot
oh also if the memory fire games are an issue for you just label the rows as 1 2 3 instead of top middle down
clear sail
oh that's actually. very helpful
one time though i did get the memory down pat but i just wasn't fast enough 😭 aaaAAA i guess i was running too far
grave parrot
when i do a surface run i always get either the sprint from apollo or hermes bc i know if i have to go from top row to bottom row in the memory game i mess up the distance badly
++ if youre really lost with the pattern you can dash through the fire when it comes at you
clear sail
i should do that as well
clear sail
we'll figure it out someday 🤝
wild drift
You can dodge that and the straight fire line by running in a circle around him when you know it's coming
clear sail
🤔 maybe part of it is that im kind of terrible and reading his telegraphs bc apart from the big ones they're a bit smaller on the screen and i am. distracted
vast sandal
Im kinda ass at anubis even with the rush cancel
grave parrot
hope that you get rapid thrasher ?
wild drift
With Anubis you have the option of just doing Ospec spam but yeah the dash-strike Oattack combo is definitely better
south copper
any suggestions on fighting zag with the axe? I just went full chest hair mode and traded blows with him, lost two DDs but I did it, I did smack the final boss for 3500 on a normal hit so that felt good.
opal pecan
If you have a gain boon, you can omega special if you're worried for safety
wild drift
Unless it's Nergal lol
spiral wadi
tall notch
oh also if the memory fire games are an issue for you just label the rows as 1 2...
If someone really can't deal with memory game you can always pause spam and note everything down
grave parrot
any suggestions on fighting zag with the axe? I just went full chest hair mode a...
run behind the barriers/columns over and over and spam ospecial is what i do
split igloo
If someone really can't deal with memory game you can always pause spam and note...
I pause after every indicator and say out loud top middle middle bottom top (safe rows, not where the fire will hit) etc, it's impossible to mess up if you do it like this
wild drift
Is Gift Gift Gift still disabled by Fates' Whim if I broke Fates' Whim in Oceanus with Gorgon Amulet?
split igloo
probably not since you broke it
bright gull
Does Prominence Flare still prevent you from recasting till it’s over?
flint widget
nah
austere trail
it used to prevent you from recasting?
spark crown
Iirc that was a thing all the way through to 1.0 release
south copper
run behind the barriers/columns over and over and spam ospecial is what i do
Didn't have a good special build that run, including no magic regen, had Mel's aspect. But ya normally spamming ranged against him is the way. I've seen others fight him in melee without taking damage.
flint widget
of course
fiery kraken
thanatos axe, do I want % or on hit on the attack? swing seems fast, but not particularly powerful
but it's also kind of slow if I'm not doing omegas
grave parrot
i always just get percent
spark crown
Does ||typhoon or chronos have a vow of rivals enhancement?||
Both do 
spark crown
I'm cooked
Typhoon is the harder of the 2
wild drift
Chrobo harder for me
tall notch
thanatos axe, do I want % or on hit on the attack? swing seems fast, but not par...
Percent and pray for psychic whirl
You can maybe play blitz but other on hit stuff is too slow with the axe to really be good
loud nymph
What's a good build for the Thanatos Sycthe
grave parrot
What's a good build for the Thanatos Sycthe
nova flourish on special, exceptional talent, giga cleaver, and the weird artemis one where you have crit chance on ospecial after dash
either getting just giga cleaver or exceptional talent is also fine obviously both is better for x4 ospecials
fiery kraken
oh I've been playing than axe as an Oattack weapon because of the attack speed
grave parrot
yeah you right thats probably better
digital juniper
nova flourish on special, exceptional talent, giga cleaver, and the weird artemi...
that’s more of a charon build
digital juniper
What's a good build for the Thanatos Sycthe
apollo/hera/aphro attack, get origination between special/cast/sprint and pray for psychic whirlwind
ares attack also works in a pinch too
loud nymph
Ok then, I'll get Hera's attack and Apollo's special
loud nymph
Should I also bring an animal
alpine raft
yea but no point really
opal pecan
can you even unequip one?
Yes, you just tell them to go rest in the training grounds iirc
A speedrunner accidentally did this during a showcase run and ended up having to play Circe aspectless
manic shuttle
What's a good build for the Thanatos Sycthe
Take zeus attack and go for kings ransom #h2-victory-boasting message hehe
opal pecan
Truly a flex
wild drift
Take zeus attack and go for kings ransom https://discord.com/channels/4568894346...
Zeus attack
looks inside
Storm Ring top damage
Who needs Charon cleave cast
manic shuttle
Yea percent on attack and psychic whirlwind are better but rapid hack builds are really fun
split igloo
thanatos axe, do I want % or on hit on the attack? swing seems fast, but not par...
it's the same damage as the other axes, flutter > nova > hitch for attack, wound > nova > hitch for special IMO
also, this axe really shines with upgrades, rank 1 is pretty slow indeed
opal pecan
TBF it's not the same damage as Mel axe, because of the power bonus
split igloo
well yeah that's because Mel axe has a bonus
opal pecan
and Charon is relying on its ospec explosion for extra damage, which Than also doesn't have
You basically have to lean into PW omega attack if you want to take advantage of the damage-related part of Than's aspect bonus
Cos yeah the attack is the same damage as Charon attack but who's out there using Charon attack anyway
split igloo
I like rapid hack + giga cleaver hammers with flutter/wound boons, this way I can be powerful both at range and close up
nimble limbs from Hermes is huge too if it drops
hushed shard
mystic mango
I remember this encounter being harder… /j https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachment...
⚡️ ⚡️ ⚡️ SMITTEN ⚡️ ⚡️ ⚡️
I really need to do another Success Rate Shocking Soss build they’re so funny
40% chance shocking loss is silly
mystic mango
Hermes 🤝 [insert Arnold handshake gif]
Hermes is the goat
Success rate is so fun on Ares builds too
clear sail
I think I like the aspect of medea in concept but in practice man does it feel awkward. Your attack basically doesnt do anything on its own - though this run wasn't helped by having a mediocre special so my special ALSO didn't do much of anything on its own
mystic mango
Medea is definitely one of the highest skill floors in the game
alpine raft
I think I like the aspect of medea in concept but in practice man does it feel a...
sounds like you could be playing it wrong because its usually strong no matter what
sullen blade
also you might just need a few more runs to get used to it, that’s how i felt with a lot of the aspects before giving em more time
clear sail
sounds like you could be playing it wrong because its usually strong no matter w...
Oh no it was very strong it was also just very awkward. Unless you mean the special? Idk I had Poseidon on Special it but I think that was a mistake
sullen blade
yeah probably considering the knockback
alpine raft
anything works if you do the combo right
sullen blade
also based crawlid pfp andrw
opal pecan
I wonder if anyone has done runs where you always pick the leftmost door and topmost boon
Basically semi-randomizer
tough torrent
me when i have chaos blindness
fast prawn
what are the best setups for each weapon? other than axe
NOT the hidden aspects tho
i've played literally ONLY axe since i first unlocked it and i have all the axepects at 5, but everything else at 1 and i wanna try and get the other hiddens
uhhh
what would i pick here these all seem super good https://imgur.com/a/tmwxbbZ
tough torrent
mirrored is the best one, but id personally take one of the fated choices to get your prohpecies taken care of sooner
cold vector
i've played literally ONLY axe since i first unlocked it and i have all the axep...
So you have Aspect of Thanatos?
...I was going to suggest "just use Aspect of Thanatos for now" but if you want to use another aspect, it depends on your fighting preference
fast prawn
i've used than for the entire game
i have every axepect at rank 5
including nergal
EVERY other non mel aspect for the weapons are rank 1
cold vector
I see
Well, I'm personally a fan of Lim and Oros' Aspect of Melinoe, since you can backstab
fast prawn
should i replace vicious flourish with nova? nova flourish is lvl 5 and heroic, vicious is lvl 4 and epic
fast prawn
Well, I'm personally a fan of Lim and Oros' Aspect of Melinoe, since you can bac...
oooo ok i'll give that a try after my staff run
ima replace
cold vector
IMO, yeah. Ares is ok, but if you're relying a lot on Specials, Apollo's is better
cold vector
Noice
fast prawn
HEAVENLY god pool for my charon run holyyyy https://imgur.com/a/olhtPuU
quartz onyx
I've just noticed something with the aspect of Shiva: While your Omega Special is active, your normal Attacks do +50% damage. But this is not explained anywhere...
wild drift
Is that just because you're using the Huntress card
quartz onyx
Oh I forgot about this 🙂
spark crown
hungover h2 time 🔥
lyric summit
hungover h2 time 🔥
Today the day for 60F? 😄
lyric summit
kept dissociating
NOOOO
spark crown
NOOOO
I have ADHD it's normal it's just amplified when I'm burnt out from school and hungover from drinking with my mother 
lyric summit
I have ADHD it's normal it's just amplified when I'm burnt out from school and h...
Honestly going out drinking with family sounds a lot more fun than this game anyways 😂
spark crown
Honestly going out drinking with family sounds a lot more fun than this game any...
We didn't go out XD we drank wine and listen to music from our couch
flint widget
<@&456908176877551658> yo
split igloo
anubis with hestia attack and any other curse for origination is really strong, but the pull mechanic often makes you take damage, not sure how I feel about this aspect
manic shuttle
You use the pull only when you're sure to be safe
frank siren
anubis with hestia attack and any other curse for origination is really strong, ...
Try hitch on attack too!
surreal hazel
Or blitz, or heck, even wave strike
a lot more things work than you think
Except aphrodite, don't do that
alpine raft
really i think it's only those 4 + heph that are good
surreal hazel
Nova strike can work. Slow Cooker really makes it pop off with anything
Vicious strike at least means you're always reapplying wounds I guess, does at least play very nice with grisly gain
because, contrary to the warsong update artwork where ares is pictured with Mel using her aspect of the axe... Ares really does prefer rapid striking weapons
split igloo
what about the special? I used Zeus which was okay I guess
but I've been thinking, what if you take Poseidon, how does his repel work with the pull mechanic? or it doesn't?
wild drift
I think the special boon doesn't really matter if you're doing an attack-focused build, but Zeus/Hera/Hephaestus would probably be the best
For special-focused builds it'd be Apollo/Hera
flint widget
finally got past scylla on 67f
surreal hazel
Special is slightly less power and no penetration, but fires much faster than default staff, so it tends to prefer on-hit effects
opal pecan
What if you are on the ospecial train
surreal hazel
It's expensive for what it is, but hey, use that aspect bonus
spiral wadi
ospec goes nutty
surreal hazel
Trufax, dual moonshot doubles up the suction effect, combine it with exceptional talent to become the black hole
spiral wadi
opal pecan
Jeepers creepers
surreal hazel
Hitchloop'd
sullen blade
does fig leaf affect lion fang? as in when an encounter is cleared by fig leaf does fang still lose 5% from the encounter?
opal pecan
It's still an encounter, regardless of whether Fig Leaf cleared it or you cleared it
The same goes for everything else that is per encounter, like Chaos stuff or Well of Charon items
lyric summit
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1051942150025269309/1479011679219089448...
SHEEEESH
Nice damage 
final sedge
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1051942150025269309/1479011679219089448...
Can you break down what is happening?
surreal hazel
Everyone gets hitched and aoed
warm helm
Can you break down what is happening?
Dual moonshot with a really high percentage with hitch on all of the enemies making it so that all of them take shared AND extra damage because I’m assuming he had Hereditary bane. Pairing that with Anubis which pulls in enemies makes an essential giga nuke lol.
At least that’s what im seeing.
charred tinsel
https://imgur.com/gallery/win-xAqG5cV
Why can’t Zagreus ever visit me when I look like this lmao (olympus boss spoilers)
severe flax
Any tips for playing on the 5 min timer?
With 7min I just play the game normally and literally don't think about it
warm helm
Try taking most of the skips you can and just try and save time whenever you can like pausing before taking a door or stuff like that.
flint widget
dont turn on time wasting vows like grit or hordes if ur not used to them
severe flax
But hordes is fun
lyric summit
But hordes is fun
severe flax
My go-to is
- frenzy 2
- hordes 3
- menace 2
- return 2
- fangs 1
- shadow 1
- time 2
lyric summit
You comfortable with Rivals 4 yeah?
severe flax
All of these modifiers I either find fun or free
lyric summit
Could be worth swapping some of the Hordes for Scars 2
Fewer enemies will mean getting hit a lot less
severe flax
You comfortable with Rivals 4 yeah?
I die sometimes but if I just wanted to win I wouldn't enable it in the first place
lyric summit
Oh and hubris since it's basically free
Hubris and Denial are sorta free yeah
severe flax
I don't feel like I know the boons well enough to run denial
lyric summit
Think my go-to back then was
Frenzy 2
Fangs 2
Scars 2
Shadow
Hubris 2
Denial 2
Time 3
Rivals 3
severe flax
You comfortable with Rivals 4 yeah?
I also stand by rivals Scylla being the hardest boss in the game
lyric summit
I don't feel like I know the boons well enough to run denial
Yeah that's fair.
It can be a useful Vow to shrink your boon pool and increase odds of getting ones you want, but ofc it can remove 2 you want 😂
lyric summit
I also stand by rivals Scylla being the hardest boss in the game
You'll find absolutely no complaints here bud 💀 💀
severe flax
Scylla is the run killer
lyric summit
After these last 2 weeks of 67 grinding, Rivals Scylla has been the bane of my existence
severe flax
67 sounds awful ngl
lyric summit
Don't do it
severe flax
I don't think I'll ever go above 50
lyric summit
It's better to just have fun at a lower fear or play another game at that point lol
severe flax
Since I just enable what I think is fun for the moment
lyric summit
And you don't get anything for playing on high fear
Bragging rights I guess
And your name shines a bright yellow on the h2crossroads website. Insane 😱 😱
Yeah you don't get anything substantial lmao
lyric summit
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/
A place where you can submit speedruns/high fear achievements
There's stats for common boons taken for each weapon too which is nice
Especially if you don't know what's good/optimal
severe flax
I absolutely don't know what's optimal
I just take the shiny mostly
Oh speaking of optimal
Is there a case where you want to take Zeus attack?
I feel like blitz does a lot of damage since it's so easy to apply
But if you're spamming attacks doesn't it fall off?
lyric summit
Is there a case where you want to take Zeus attack?
Most weapons tbh
Mel staff for example can use Zeus attack + Any% special and it will pop blitz instantly after
Just dash attack special, and you got a super reliable way to deal damage
severe flax
Oh yeah I wasn't being clear enough
lyric summit
Zeus is probably not the best for fast Atk weapons like Coat, instead flat damage attack boons like Poseidon/Hestia are probably better
opal pecan
Zeus special with coat tho 👀
keen bluff
why play coat at all
severe flax
Oh yeah I wasn't being clear enough
I meant in situations where you spam attck
opal pecan
~~why play coat at all~~
People who have good taste, ofc
severe flax
Like is there a point to it on the skull or the torches
keen bluff
Like is there a point to it on the skull or the torches
zeus attack on torches is cool
im pretty sure lol
lyric summit
Zeus atk with Hera special on Moros works pretty well yeah
opal pecan
It's not the spamming of the attack that has bearing on whether you grab Zeus or not tbh, it's more "is it better to put the blitz on attack, or will I do more damage with another type of boon on attack and then put blitz on special to get procced by the attack"
But either way you can usually make it work
keen bluff
im pretty sure zeus attack hera special on moros is optimal? idk about other torches
oh you defo want it on supay idk whether attack or special tho
opal pecan
Morosplosion counts as omega attack
severe flax
Since if you attack faster than you're applying proccing blitz it's kinda wasting DPS right
keen bluff
Morosplosion counts as omega attack
on normal attacks?
opal pecan
Since if you attack faster than you're ~~applying~~ proccing blitz it's kinda wa...
It's not about the attack rate, it's about how much damage you're outputting
opal pecan
on normal attacks?
? Morosplosion here specifically refers to the aspect gimmick of exploding the omega attack, and this explosion counts as the omega attack
severe flax
It's not about the attack rate, it's about how much damage you're outputting
Ye I fixed my message already
keen bluff
? Morosplosion here specifically refers to the aspect gimmick of exploding the o...
oh i assumed it was all attacks
wait idk what were even talking about my brain is mush rn
severe flax
Ye I fixed my message already
But the point still stands
opal pecan
oh i assumed it was all attacks
Oh, I see what you mean; no, you're right
My brain floated into Eosland for a hot second 😂
severe flax
If you're attacking a lot you need a setup in which you deal very high damage to proc blitz between each hit
keen bluff
👍
severe flax
Otherwise it's not optimal
So I was wondering if there's a weapon that wants to take Zeus attack like this
keen bluff
If you're attacking a lot you need a setup in which you deal very high damage to...
well, even if you dont proc it every hit, that could be 160 every other hit which is still better than pos or hestia with like 50 a hit. generally optimal means its better than every other option
severe flax
I guess
I don't actually know what's good as I said I mostly just pick whatever seems to work together and/or is shiny
And it works well enough since I'm not fearmaxxing
keen bluff
is there a specific weapon youre wondering about or are you just saying this in general
severe flax
In general
Just curious since being optimal was already part of the conversation
I don't play optimal anyway
keen bluff
yeah just pick whats fun for you
lyric summit
Gave this setup a try. Hordes 3 and Return deffo make room clearing a bit longer
lyric summit
I pick whatever is glowy
Mood 😂
opal pecan
To just sit there gathering dust
BOOOOOones
loud nymph
What's a good build for the Aspect of Eos
lyric summit
Zeus Attack, Hera Special. Hestia/Apollo Gain
Try and get Sudden Burst hammer to immediately get out your O-Attack daybreaker
Then OSpecial/spam your specials and clear the room 👌
loud nymph
What about for dash and cast
lyric summit
Don’t really matter tbh
Most should work fine. But Storm Ring is usually my go to if offered
loud nymph
Ok
dense shadow
yo
so managed to get lvl 15 on zeeus cast before hecate
is that insane (it is to me)
guysneed help chaos boon
alpine raft
is that insane (it is to me)
yeah idek how you could do that
opaque oxide
What is the best nocturnal arm?
alpine raft
staff
mystic mango
What is the best nocturnal arm?
Overall definitely staff. Has two aspects comfortably in the top three in the game
dense shadow
yeah idek how you could do that
im using circe stadd
dense shadow
yeah idek how you could do that
actually evry easy
zeus boon, hera upgrade boon, second hera boon, kings ransom
which us the zues hera duowhich guves plus 8 lvl to every zeus boon i only had one zeus boin active
plus some poms i got and bought and nectar
split igloo
best attack/special boons for Morrigan?
lyric summit
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/801964923080146965/1480152059377619114/Re...
Lmao nice. I assume Echo blessed you and doubled it ⚡️
lyric summit
best attack/special boons for Morrigan?
Apollo Atk is pretty good. It has huge AOE so even if you run out of magic for Triad you can still do Atk->Dash Atk->Atk->Dash Atk and it’ll crowd control super well
split igloo
Apollo Atk is pretty good. It has huge AOE so even if you run out of magic for T...
so % for attack, on hit for special?
lyric summit
so % for attack, on hit for special?
Yeah
Hephaestus or Blitz can be nice for special
split igloo
I guess flutter would be better than nova though, you get a curse + you're moslty attacking up close so higher %
lyric summit
Neither give curses unfort. But Apollo atk greatly increases the attack range so it’s worth
And ofc Hera would work too cuz…it’s Hera 😂
split igloo
ah, flutter doesn't? then nova makes sense I guess
lyric summit
Yeaaah they changed it from Hades 1
tall notch
best attack/special boons for Morrigan?
I am a fan of Hestia attack
the multihits mean you're generating a lot of scorch
lyric summit
Hestia is also really good for atk
split igloo
idk about Hestia, Morrigan doesn't hit as fast as other blades or coat
lyric summit
Though you’d deffo need pyro technique
split igloo
ah whatever, basically just don't pick Demeter or Ares, those are crap
tall notch
idk about Hestia, Morrigan doesn't hit as fast as other blades or coat
the animations are slower but the attacks are multihit, it's about as fast as other blades if not faster at stacking scorch
lyric summit
ah whatever, basically just don't pick Demeter or Ares, those are crap
Top 10 gods of all time 😭
split igloo
no way man, Demeter is just CC which doesn't even work on bosses
I kinda liked her at first, but IMO it's a noob trap
lyric summit
Top 10 as in she’s probably 9th 🫢
Arctic ring Squeen and Gale are nice. But the other boons are sorta useless yeah
split igloo
and Ares is only good for the axe special and um, I'm not sure what else, the cooldown really limits its applications
tall notch
when you play higher difficulty stuff crowd control actually makes a massive difference, Dem is one of the goats for her cast, sprint, and her utility stuff 🔥
lyric summit
I swear everytime I try and take her sprint to dodge sheep ball I still end up getting hit 😂
split igloo
Arctic ring Squeen and Gale are nice. But the other boons are sorta useless yeah
ah yeah the gust rush is a pretty good curse, but attack/special are bad
lyric summit
Percentages are a bit rough but freeze is useful for crowd control
split igloo
I believe Demeter is the lowest % boost? so bottom row
lyric summit
As for Ares…yeah can’t really defend him 💀
tall notch
As for Ares…yeah can’t really defend him 💀
grievous blow is really good, that's about it
lyric summit
Visceral Impact/Grisly gain can be good against Chronos I guess? You’ll get enough plasma for a pseudo blinding rush on P3 😂
But yeah it’s mainly Grievous
split igloo
Ares is only good when you get that boon that gives you like a 20-30% crit when hitting wounded enemies, but it's rare
tall notch
also if I'm playing Poseidon, I'll sometimes take Ares for arterial spray
lyric summit
And ofc Heinous. But you need at least 3 boons first
split igloo
Demeter I only take tranquil gain, gust rush plus the 2 cast boons (how come she gets 2 and they stack? she's cheating)
tall notch
snow queen is also incredibly good and some aspects adore weed killer
split igloo
oh yeah snow queen as well, and weed killer is nice too if you can spare the magic
Demeter could be good on Water builds, but half of her boons are Earth for some reason
there's that Poseidon infusion that gives you +15 hp for every Water element you have, you can stack a lot
also, funny thing, I just completed a run where Excellence (maxed out, mind you) almost never procced, all white boons everywhere, when I finally got Proper Upbringing it felt like a massive boost in power
gonna take Boatman next time, maybe Excellence is not that good after all
tall notch
gonna take Boatman next time, maybe Excellence is not that good after all
it's really not, there's no reason to take it over boatman
lyric summit
gonna take Boatman next time, maybe Excellence is not that good after all
We all love Boatman here 🙏
dense shadow
Lmao nice. I assume Echo blessed you and doubled it ⚡️
yh
mystic mango
gonna take Boatman next time, maybe Excellence is not that good after all
Excellence is only good if you have a specific build in mind that requires a legendary and you want to guarantee it. But having guaranteed early game gold is far more consistently helpful than a higher chance of slightly stronger boons
Build hunting? Excellence. Consistency? Boatman
split igloo
idk, Excellence is usually good to the point that none of my boons are common, so I just take Uncommon Grace and be OP
but it really failed me this time, it was like the worst RNG, many times in a row
mystic mango
idk, Excellence is usually good to the point that none of my boons are common, s...
You can also easily get uncommon grace by getting the infusion
I never go for uncommon grace without the infusion
split igloo
yeah but that's one extra Hera boon
mystic mango
Hunting non-common a lot of work for little gain
mystic mango
yeah but that's one extra Hera boon
Yeah but a very good one depending on your build and luck
split igloo
though, there was one time when I got uncommon grace early on and it was all good until Typhon's shop where I bought a Hestia boon and all 3 were common, RIP
tall notch
the 20%-ish conditional damage bonus from uncommon grace is absolutely NOT worth running excellence
furies give you a bigger damage bonus for 2 grasp and that doesn't take setup beyond just putting the enemy in your cast
mystic mango
Yeah if you happen to get the infusion then go for if there's no better options
I usually pick other stuff before the infusion but often take it in olympus or fields over stuff like dying wish or rousing reception
split igloo
though, the best Hera boon is the one where she gives you every single infusion in the game, that's just nuts
mystic mango
Not every infusion
Just 4 of them chosen at random
Not including her own
So you may get rallying cry and frosty veneer and have them be worthless
split igloo
I remember getting the ones where you get more attack per fire, more hp per water etc, think it was more than 4? not sure
mystic mango
There are absolutely good infusions to get from All Together
But some that might just do nothing because you don't have 8 stones and 6 waters
But absolutely strong based on what you're running
Slow Cooker is amazing depending on the build
split igloo
by the end of a surface run you usually have a ton of elements, so might as well also take tall order if it shows up
mystic mango
If you have gods whose elements work together
RIP if you're running apollo, ares, poseidon, and hestia
split igloo
oh btw, I've been meaning to ask, so there's that late game incantation that says something like it auto-collects resources but it actually doesn't, what does it do?
mystic mango
It does
You walk out the room
And it collects stuff
The only things it doesn't collect are 12 fear altars and gold pots
split igloo
it auto-collects if you walk out? so I can stop playing the fishing/shade mini-games?
mystic mango
it auto-collects if you walk out? so I can stop playing the fishing/shade mini-g...
Yes just leave the room
That's what the description says
split igloo
100%?
mystic mango
Yes
split igloo
huh
mystic mango
Greatest Gift of Gaia removes all need to collect resources other than the fear altars in region 4
split igloo
does it collect the minor rewards in the fields, like the small bottles and hearts
split igloo
ok, but does the greatest gift give you elements? like with upgraded tools
mystic mango
Yes
That would be a stupid design oversight if it didn't
Forcing people to not use something because doing so would make them weaker
surreal hazel
still only one of each element per run max, so it's kinda there
split igloo
man, it's just counterintuitive, Selene is like oh here's a rare resource, don't miss it, and you're actually meant to just walk out
mystic mango
Yes because it's an endgame upgrade to save time on runs
surreal hazel
man, it's just counterintuitive, Selene is like oh here's a rare resource, don't...
It's for people who have played so much that resource gathering is just a chore now, so they just let you skip it
shoulda seen the fishing minigame in EA
split igloo
I'm at 95 runs I think, so the end game, even unlocked the Spirit Mixer which does nothing but burn your resources from what I gathered
mystic mango
They added a buff during your run for collecting resources to incentivize people to use it but for endgame players they don't want to force people to waste time on stuff they don't need
mystic mango
I'm at 95 runs I think, so the end game, even unlocked the Spirit Mixer which do...
It's a rank icon
That's it
Best to save it for later until you've gotten everything else
But now is the Kudos grind
I had around 180-200k total when I finally got the final icon
split igloo
yeah I want to buy all the decos first
mystic mango
Which was the final thing in the game I needed Kudos for
So whatever you're at right now just know you gotta get about 200k to buy everything in the game
So don't stop planting and ordering psyche from charon to turn into Kudos
split igloo
I believe I need to buy all decos which need shadow, otherwise I can't recycle ashes and grasp
and there's a fair amount of these decos
mystic mango
Yeah psyche and ashes you need for one of the relations and some of the decorations to make shadow extractions
But it's very little
After you finish the altar of ashes you probably only need like a few hundred more of each
split igloo
I'm already at like 2220 psyche lmao, need to start brewing shadow extractions
mystic mango
When it finally said I didn't need anymore I was at like 6000
split igloo
and the only card that I haven't maxed yet is judgement, just need to buy 20 fabrics the next time I'm not poor
mystic mango
Yeah just go ahead and always run whatever is on grave thirst
That 500 kudos per run from gems adds up
split igloo
it's still not much though, just 3 bones per encounter, and there are like 30 encounters in a run
split igloo
I'm already at 37k kudos
mystic mango
it's still not much though, just 3 bones per encounter, and there are like 30 en...
It's per location
split igloo
well even less then
mystic mango
I'm already at 37k kudos
Only 160k to go
mystic mango
I mean if you enjoy the game loop and just keep playing for fun its inevitable so not really any use grinding for it consciously
Just always get psyche from charon and plant your stuff every run
And you'll get there eventually
Just with an extra 30 seconds of work it'll become a lot faster
No need for grave thirst just play what you want
split igloo
I'm just completing prophecies now, the only quests left are Narcissus, Echo and Arachne, I think
mystic mango
Just know that you will need a good deal of nightmare even after you finish all the aspects and familiar forms
split igloo
yes, there are nightmare skins for animals plus a bunch of decos in the training room
mystic mango
But you can just get that from charon
The whole game can be finished using a single weapon if that's how you choose to play
If you don't count finishing every testament
split igloo
I play all six, though not all aspects
some like nergal or artemis I just don't want to bother with
mystic mango
Nergal is my fastest surface time by a wide margin
And like 2nd or 3rd underworld
But quite build dependent
Berserk healing is so cheesy
split igloo
yeah I more or less understand what it does, just not for me
mystic mango
It's also just insaenly high damage with whirlwind
Faster charge that other axes and far more damage
And larger
But yeah it felt super awkward at first
split igloo
I just had a run with black coat (mel) where I got zeus attack + static shock, poseidon special + slippery slope, the hammer that auto-fires rockets when you punch, and then finally daze rush + back burner, and it was crazy OP by the end
mystic mango
split igloo
dash behind an enemy, mash attack, their HP bar just melts in real time, even bosses
mystic mango
Yeah selene coat is actually like my 4th fastest underworld run from a heinous affront build
split igloo
what's heinous affront
mystic mango
But also poseidon and hestia are really strong on coat
Zeus Ares duo
Activates "when you take damage" effects when you inflict wounds
Which includes light smite which literally just hits EVERY enemy at once
split igloo
ah, that could be pretty powerful
mystic mango
Stupidly strong but it's a lot of setup
split igloo
though Zeus also just has that insta-kill legendary
mystic mango
Divine vengeance is really strong though on heinous affront alone cause it's a guaranteed 100 flat damage on first hit
split igloo
instantly kill 25% of the enemies on your first hit
split igloo
zap zap zap
mystic mango
SHOCKING ⚡
split igloo
Morrigan is terrible, it's so slow and the special has a ridiculously long wind-up and a very short range to boot, I'm constantly taking damage because my attacks take forever to go off
never playing this again
wild drift
I hated it until I used the Sorceress and Eternity with it
surreal hazel
Morrigan is terrible, it's so slow and the special has a ridiculously long wind-...
"You just ain't doing it right"
Final slice my friend. Final. Slice.
wild drift
Oh yeah of course I forgot to mention Final Slice
Can ignore the Triad with that hammer if you really wanted to
Especially with Hera/Apollo/Hestia attack
surreal hazel
Wave strike is good too
wild drift
Oh yeah I just don't trust Poseidon anymore because of the internal cooldown lol
surreal hazel
That doesn't apply to wave strike, ever
wild drift
Oh I thought it did because of how fast the blades attack combo is
split igloo
what's final slice
Morrigan's attacks have so much end lag, it's objectively awful to play
you will take damage, a lot of it
wild drift
Final Slice adds a whole lot of damage to the second part of your attack combo
split igloo
hopefully Chronos doesn't kill me, almost done with this run
is that a hammer or something
wild drift
Yeah a hammer, another great hammer for this is Sweeping Ambush but it's for your Omega
The room clearing on Hitch + Final Slice is actually insane, got me my fastest 50f win basically by itself
I'm usually right up against the timer on 50f, my Morrigan was 16 minutes
split igloo
and the special especially is so tediously slow yet you need to use it all the time for the triad
wild drift
Worst things about it are definitely the slow special and how the blades omega attack works
Actually I just checked my best Morrigan run and I barely actually used Final Slice lol only 27k damage on that, the AoE on the attack and Oattack is so big that Hitch just destroys rooms
Also you can manipulate the special so that it hits multiple enemies or one enemy multiple times to complete multiple triads quickly
split igloo
well, let's see if I can beat Chronos with Morrigan and 215 hp
tough torrent
Morrigan slander detected. Obliterate
Morrigan is the only knife I like playing lol
And one of my favorite aspects overall
Always having triad in you back pocket as reliable damage is so nice
split igloo
beat him, but it was an all hit run lmao #h2-victory-boasting message
split igloo
Always having triad in you back pocket as reliable damage is so nice
default mel blades hit harder in 0.5 sec and you don't have to commit to your attacks
tough torrent
You can slam out triads pretty quick if you know what you're doing
Like what i mean by that is even when you get screwed and cant get an attack boon because of rng
You can just kill hec or poly with triad and it's still very reasonable
And it continues to be huge chunks even after you do get an attack
Like it asks you to slightly adjust your attack pattern in some situations with the pay off being 800 flat damage
split igloo
or you could just play Medea and every attack will be a triad
wild drift
Yeah that too it deals with early game so well, especially considering Forfeit
tough torrent
ok, medea is the running for strongest aspect in the game
split igloo
default mel blades are up there too, if you build with wave strike + slippery slope
anyway, so far Anubis is the only hidden aspect that I don't think is outright trash
gonna try Hel next
opal pecan
Morrigan is typically considered the strongest blades aspect :P
tough torrent
bro hates nerg too 
split igloo
Morrigan is typically considered the strongest blades aspect :P
no way man, default mel blades hit so fast if you get poseidon or w/e + back burner you will melt bosses in 2-3 sec, Morrigan will never reach the same level
tough torrent
morrigan hits really fast too
opal pecan
no way man, default mel blades hit so fast if you get poseidon or w/e + back bur...
Actually, part of Morrigan's attack sequence hits like four times in a row
tough torrent
it hits so fast that you miss splash procs becuase of the cooldown even
opal pecan
So you can run a pretty strong Scorch build off of just the default attack
One easy trap to fall into is to over-focus on the blood triad -- you don't need 777 damage to deal with most normal enemies
tough torrent
i definitely still try to force triad too often
opal pecan
And remember that blood triad cannot be buffed by anything other than Blood-Triad-specific hammers
So any % bonuses you're putting on do absolutely zilch for your triad
tough torrent
in third/fourth region triad on mobs actually does help though
they've got so much hp
wild drift
Also the early minibosses, Morrigan makes those so much easier
tough torrent
So any % bonuses you're putting on do absolutely zilch for your triad
that said, when you're throwing out a triad you ofc did also deal damage with the attacks and special, so its never just 777.
that seems obvious but it can slip your mind when talking about triad like this
tough torrent
wild drift
Yup lol 2 triads for Master Slicer, maybe 3 for Shadow Spiller and Root Stalker
wild drift
Oh nice
tough torrent
i didnt have spec tri on hime
man lemme pull up the saved clip again
yeah just the one
man i wish i knew how to upload webms here
i should mention i have sweeping ambush lol
so o attack is 600
wild drift
Oh yeah I figured one of the hammers had to be invovled
tough torrent
i was gonna share hec too but then i got sheeped so i will choose to hide my shame
tough torrent
cherished keepsake in the endshop is such a vibe
yes i would love 70% lion claw thanks
flint widget
still funny how antler is still miles better than 70% lion claw
opal pecan
still funny how antler is still miles better than 70% lion claw
Not for mere chumps like me who eat damage like chips 😆
tough torrent
yeah that was a 600 damage chronos sorry i dont think antler would have been better here
vernal quiver
70% lions claw vs 50% cr
tough torrent
yknow, i keep spending o points on nightmare... but i've maxed out all the weapons ages ago
opal pecan
70% lions claw vs 50% cr
The humble Scorch build:
flint widget
if u phase chronos in like 2 seconds you wont die
opal pecan
Naw you still gotta be able to dodge stuff during the invuln transitions
And also survive Tartarus in the first place
And antler can't help you with terribad rooms that have seventy million gold bags
flint widget
u can kill them all before they have a chance of attacking you
opal pecan
You don't need antler to kill them
opal pecan
You can kill gold bags just fine with just normal damage
The problem isn't your damage, in a terribad Tartarus room
flint widget
yeah im aware but with antler u can basically one shot
opal pecan
Antler is zero help with "this room is huge and there are things lasering you from a million miles away"
flint widget
at least u go out in style
opal pecan
The only thing antler does for you in that case is require you to have decent movement
Which is something that needs a bit of work, a bit of knack, or a bit of both :P
surreal hazel
Actually, part of Morrigan's attack sequence hits like four times in a row
Six
vernal quiver
The humble Scorch build:
The less humble everything else for boons and your weapon kit 😌
surreal hazel
Also yeah, let's not go ignoring Wicked Onslaught on the morrigan either
the basic attack power is 11x3, 33x3. Which is 132 damage. wicked onslaught adds 120 more power to that combo and all but doubles the base power
Final Slice is something bananas like +300% isn't it?
tough torrent
final slice is quite silly on morrigan yeah
vernal quiver
Smth like that yeah
tough torrent
i dont like it as much as doing the triad thing, but its a neat option to have
surreal hazel
yeah, just checked, +300%
wild drift
Yeah Final Slice is +300% and Sweeping Ambush is +400%
surreal hazel
so that on top of wicked onslaught makes your combo do...
31x3, 212x3. Or 729 damage
before we even consider boons
and +60% radius on the last attack, which is already big
absolutely bananas that this hammer is allowed on the morrigan
tough torrent
did we mention that the final hit in morrigan's combo is the second hit
like i know we all know, but just for posterity
surreal hazel
that's the killer detail, yeah
tough torrent
cause it being every other swing is what is nuts
surreal hazel
if Final Slice skipped the drill stab on the other daggers, it'd be pretty crazy, but interestingly specialised
Rapid Onslught affects the morrigan more than it does the other daggers I think?
tough torrent
rapid is nice
surreal hazel
gets to the final slice a little quicker, nothing to sneeze at
opal pecan
whoops, wrong reply
surreal hazel
Why do staff and blades have such bonkers hammers
derp
opal pecan
But the point stands. Why.
surreal hazel
and yeah, they do have bonkers hammers
the base stats are honestly ass for them
the staff is designed to be utterly terrible on your first run since you have no aspect bonus and no hammers
since you're supposed to lose
opal pecan
They already got the whole Eris debuff and also no arcana for first run!
surreal hazel
true
opal pecan
IDK is aspectless staff really that bad
surreal hazel
but also the staff originally had farrrrrr worse stats
the attack combo power was like, 15, 20, 25
and the special was this plodding but spammable projectile that did.... 10 damage
silent crow
and the special was this plodding but spammable projectile that did.... 10 damag...
good with poseidon i guess
opal pecan
"Plodding" is not an adjective that inspires great confidence in my heart in this context
lyric summit
and the special was this plodding but spammable projectile that did.... 10 damag...
Do you remember the old Momus Poseidon Double Moonshot combo? 😂
surreal hazel
Do you remember the old Momus Poseidon Double Moonshot combo? 😂
The most busted thing in the game, yes, but also what were they thinking with momus?
Like, the staff in EA and all of its aspects got reworked, and the special got changed twice
lyric summit
The most busted thing in the game, yes, but also what were they thinking with mo...
Probably one of the most fun I had back in early access 😂
Actually crazy amounts of DPS
tough torrent
what was ea snek
surreal hazel
Probably one of the most fun I had back in early access 😂
remember the sorceress arcana stobing?
surreal hazel
what was ea snek
Oh two stupid things
one is a flat +5 healing if you were below 50% hp and you were in your oSpecial's blast radius
even out of combat
the other was a flat +power on your special, and it was like, +10, 15, 20, 25, 30
this was when the special was much more spammable, and double moonshot didn't have the range penalty
tough torrent
...doesnt mel staff just have flat power on special...?
surreal hazel
...doesnt mel staff just have flat power on special...?
It fires MUCH slower
tough torrent
o
surreal hazel
we're talking kinda on par with coat punches for rapidity
lyric summit
Sorceress strobing was so stupid
Yeah double moonshot could aim at enemies from a long distance too
surreal hazel
every tap started the sorceress slowdown effect
lyric summit
It literally got me my first 32 win lol
surreal hazel
...doesnt mel staff just have flat power on special...?
And well, Mel Staff is considered the easiest way to do max fear in the current build, so old momus even being comparable to it says a lot
tough torrent
surreal hazel
sorceress used to be a better form of what Eternity is now
and still only 1 grasp
so you always used it, and so you got the slowdown effects happening every tap, since it started the effect basically every time you touched the button
old momus was busted, but it was so unpleasant to play optimally
tough torrent
as you do
surreal hazel
Momus got reworked first into its repeating pulsing thing before they could work out what to do with mel and circe
For a long time mel staff was just the bad momus
since it was just an omega channel bonus
Circe kept getting changes but they could never make it something people wanted
the instant they gave it twincasting it was STRAIGHT to the top of the tierlist
split igloo
old momus was busted, but it was so unpleasant to play optimally
what did the old momus do, haven't played EA
tough torrent
one is a flat +5 healing if you were below 50% hp and you were in your oSpecial'...
starts here
surreal hazel
one is a flat +5 healing if you were below 50% hp and you were in your oSpecial'...
Here and the next line
Derp, ninjad
tough torrent
teehee
surreal hazel
You have to also imagine the old special was actiny seeking slow projectile with long range and ass base damage
split igloo
so basically EA had no challenge?? if just this weapon was so busted? spammy OP specials and infinite healing
vernal quiver
i wouldnt say no challenge EA typhon got nerfed the update after his release lmao
just the balance was all over the place
although somehow medea made it through unscathed
split igloo
also I believe Strength was 50% dr, 25% damage bonus
lyric summit
Yeah back then it was much more effective to take Strength
And Moros pin didn't "count" as a death defiance back then so you could play it with Strength
lyric summit
although somehow medea made it through unscathed
Got buffed too at some point 😂
Dunno what the damage output was before. I wanna say 60?
Then somehow shot up to 90%
lyric summit
Yeah back then it was much more effective to take Strength
There was a time prior to Fates' Whim keepsakes where Gorgon Amulet was the best keepsake cuz of Mental Block. And ofc the natural synergy with Strength
Some people actually took it in Erebus since Epic Mental Block did 120 damage and you were invincible for like 1.5 seconds
surreal hazel
Old momus was way before there was even olympus, let alone typhon
split igloo
were there any boons/other things that got removed entirely?
or reworked into something entirely different
lyric summit
were there any boons/other things that got removed entirely?
A really strong one is probably Mint Condition. It used to just give you invincibility as soon as you entered a room
And at Heroic it could reach like 15+ seconds
It got reworked into Security System with Shield instead of Invincibility, and the time was halved
split igloo
Security System is effectively invincibility though, it gives like 175 armor IIRC
lyric summit
True but it didn't trigger Gale or Evade so it was a lot stronger. The time was also insane
Like 8+ seconds at Common iirc
wild drift
most gains were like unusable
Yeah I remember watching old Haelian videos and Lucid Gain was you had to stand in your cast to gradually gain magick lol
Worse than Tranquil Gain
surreal hazel
Ionic gain was a fixed regen but uhhhh
-80% mana cap. Multiplicative
Born gain was lol though
wild drift
I also remember something weird about Hestia's rush and legendary, like their effects were basically swapped?
surreal hazel
Essentially
But before that hestia legendary was pyro technique at 100%
...back when the burn rate was 40
wild drift
I complain about the power imbalance in this game sometimes but from what I've gathered it's in an amazing place compared to before (which is how early access works obviously)
alpine raft
...back when the burn rate was 40
40 dps?!
vernal quiver
I complain about the power imbalance in this game sometimes but from what I've g...
thank god the game had an EA
turbid karma
Is there a trick to Chlonos? I just lost ~100 HP (and the run) to that attack. If I have something like blinding rush it's pretty easy to dodge his attacks, but I'm not really sure how to do that without move speed
vernal quiver
just run
turbid karma
I do, he chases me down 😅
vernal quiver
like in general or just specifically the half health transition
turbid karma
the half health transition specifically I guess
surreal hazel
Is there a trick to Chlonos? I just lost ~100 HP (and the run) to that attack. I...
Which attack?
turbid karma
I ran away and got hit 3x for 29x3 damage 😄
vernal quiver
uhh what i do is just get as far away from him as possible, bait out the chlono to start then just run until its gone
surreal hazel
and hard mode or not?
turbid karma
Which attack?
the dash scythe swing where they both follow you around
surreal hazel
vow of rivals
vernal quiver
i only ever get hit by actual gramps, the clone is kinda a non issue once you get used to just running across the map in a panic
turbid karma
uhh what i do is just get as far away from him as possible, bait out the chlono ...
hm, okay - do you have footage of that, by any chance?
vernal quiver
https://youtu.be/82r-sPuTcNo
damagless with fridgid rush 😌
turbid karma
rush, slash, rush rush, slash
yeah, that one
vernal quiver
it says hitless but thats cuz i was tired, its damageless lol
turbid karma
https://youtu.be/82r-sPuTcNo
damagless with fridgid rush 😌
thanks!
surreal hazel
That's the big wakeup call combo yes
vernal quiver
gale bails me out for like 2 hits then dodge saves me like once
its a strength no lovers 62f btw too so :P
surreal hazel
but you can just run like a coward, what really gets me is the triple boomerang attack
turbid karma
wait how fun, it's a music video too 😄
turbid karma
but you can just run like a coward, what really gets me is the triple boomerang ...
yeah that one's rough
vernal quiver
wait how fun, it's a music video too 😄
lmao yeah i just dont have the game music on
digital juniper
lmao yeah i just dont have the game music on
scylla must love you
vernal quiver
made it really funny for my 67 gramps fumbles when i die and i just have to listen to like whatever tf was in my playlist
lyric summit
Yeah I remember watching old Haelian videos and Lucid Gain was you had to stand ...
I’m so glad they changed Lucid gain
Made Charon a lot safer to play too
turbid karma
sorry, did you dodge the last of the triple OHK attacks by I-framing it?
wild drift
Yeah it's like Apollo was made for Charon
vernal quiver
sorry, did you dodge the last of the triple OHK attacks by I-framing it?
yeah
turbid karma
very slick
lyric summit
Is there a trick to Chlonos? I just lost ~100 HP (and the run) to that attack. I...
Don’t engage. Just run until he goes away
vernal quiver
its a pretty easy timing to get down, his wings click like 6 times, small pause, then the slam, so you can time it to either seeing his arm drop down or when the saftey circle leaves then a moment after
turbid karma
Don’t engage. Just run until he goes away
I did run, he chased me down and dealt me 29x3
watching through plum's damageless chronos to see what i did wrong rn
turbid karma
its a pretty easy timing to get down, his wings click like 6 times, small pause,...
oh cool, I had never noticed that little timing indicator!
vernal quiver
also im sorry its like 480p 😭
turbid karma
that's okay lol
hm -- is there a strategy to when you're dashing during that sequence?
or just when it's off cooldown/you'll get some extra distance with it
vernal quiver
umm i go a bit off of vibes, he either does 1 or 2 dashes then the slash off of distance iirc so i try to time the dash to that
and if you get far enough fast enough(nitro boost + swift runner is wonderful) its pretty easy to just outrange him entirely
split igloo
most gains were like unusable
Ares' is still trash
vernal quiver
its not trash id say just isnt gonna be nearly as powerful as flood/born which is an issue every gain has
like an opprotunity cost thing yk
split igloo
there's a trial with Ares' gain, Trial of the Flock, and it's so ass
vernal quiver
since having ares in the pool kinda means youre taking grievous guaranteed, and taking his gain over flood/born/lucid is generally a throw since not having at least one of those 3 in the pool is dubious work
opal pecan
Ares gain isn't the worst gain if you don't actually need a gain
at least it's not Zeus gain (loud booing)
vernal quiver
he wont sustain a fed moros or p.array but like say its eos then anything works
split igloo
yeah I guess it's okay if you're running Medea or Anubis or something, but then what is the point, get glamour instead, free curse
vernal quiver
any skull wants flood/born assuming p.array
split igloo
I got p. array during that chaos trial lmaa
vernal quiver
but like eos, nergal/than, momus kinda but like who plays momus are all fine with slightly weaker gains
split igloo
but it's fine, because there's no penalty if you run out of magic, p. array just doesn't proc, that's all
whereas with torches, if you have no magic, well your build just no longer works, you literally can't channel
turbid karma
does mirrored thrasher count as an omega move for fine line activation?
split igloo
HUH, how come I just one shot the root stalker (Erebus mini-boss)?? Aspect of Hel, omega special with hitch level 4 (rare)
I only had this one boon, figured might take a while, charged up a special and the fight ended instantly
vernal quiver
does mirrored thrasher count as an omega move for fine line activation?
no, it just checks to see if you have 5 mana to eat for another attack
vernal quiver
HUH, how come I just one shot the root stalker (Erebus mini-boss)?? Aspect of He...
sounds about right yeah
hel Ospec is super strong given the circumstances, hera is also the strongest option on it for raw room clear and its not close
most of the complains youll hear about Ospec hel gameplay is from high fear players since after a certain point in fear playing to it is needlessly picky considering an already picky weapon
turbid karma
no, it just checks to see if you have 5 mana to eat for another attack
shame!
surreal hazel
Omegas are marked as such
They're not technically bound to charging and spending mana
turbid karma
ah, i see!
vernal quiver
mhm power surge mirrored thrasher is super funny
surreal hazel
That only asks you to spend mana
vernal quiver
get like pos attack, power surge, mirrored, and cardio gain and its super fun
surreal hazel
Just remember that the real issue power surge has is the terrible range it has
turbid karma
ugh arc flash is tied to omega moves too
surreal hazel
300 iirc? (Cast radius is 420)
turbid karma
i was imagining arc flash blitz attack mirrored thrasher
surreal hazel
Mirrored thrasher is already insane. It doesn't need more
Combine it with wicked thrasher and commence the beatdown
turbid karma
I have wicked thrasher, mirrored thrasher, danaid dagger active through the end of the run (with an empty attack slot), and just equipped Whantler for tartarus. I shredded cerb super quickly, I'm going to use this setup to savestate until i can beat chronos with just 3 DDs and 30 HP 😄
split igloo
hel Ospec is super strong given the circumstances, hera is also the strongest op...
what's the math behind this? Hel omega special just 2 shot Uh-Oh as well
turbid karma
(assuming I don't die on the way there)
split igloo
kinda feels bugged idk
turbid karma
I've made a circe run that's not actually mostly about cast, it's awesome
vernal quiver
kinda feels bugged idk
its not hel Ospec is just a truck
each wave it throws out can hit the enemy separately and it throws out a bunch before going back to you
tack on a big like 90% hera attack(ty jpom) then not only is it dealing a crazy amount of damage its also room clearing with zero effort
idk what the base damage per wave is off the top of my head i just know its a lot
split igloo
rare hitch level 4 is 105%
vernal quiver
hence why its a 50 mana omega with a crazy long charge time
vernal quiver
rare hitch level 4 is 105%
yeah common is like 90 or 95 iirc
vernal quiver
idk what the base damage per wave is off the top of my head i just know its a lo...
but then you have to think about adding on some of the Ospec hammers it has and the Ospec ends up being actually insane
but again in high fear it falls off dramatically to being almost unusable especially if you take it to 65/67
62 you at least get to keep sorceress and persistence but thats still only like 1 cast of it a room before you feed some mana which is an opportunity cost loss yada yada yada
split igloo
so I'm in a room leading to both a Charon shop and a chaos gate in Oceanus, can I take the chaos gate and still get to the shop?
or will the gate drop me straight to the sirens
vernal quiver
uhhh i think it drops you to sirens since it counts as a progress chamber for oceanus and erebus
either way if the choice is chaos or a shop the answer 100% of the time is a shop unless you dont care or wanna mess around
split igloo
yeah have 400 coin, shop it is
dense shadow
yall
i got a build going a good one but
im having trouble dodging chronos attacks rivals
circe staff
a LOT of levels on zeus cast
dont wanna waste this. I also have night bloom
can get night bloomn easily
vernal quiver
https://youtu.be/82r-sPuTcNo
damagless with fridgid rush 😌
heres a damagless 62f with strength, antler, and no lovers of mine if you want reference
gale, nitro boost, and dodges bailed me out of dying lmao but still if you want an idea on how to approach the fight
and night bloom isnt really that crazy for rivals gramps ig you can spawn the hourglass to heal but like its not gonna do much
dense shadow
and night bloom isnt really that crazy for rivals gramps ig you can spawn the ho...
im leaning that
ok, also i have demeter attack
its just i have lvl 39 heroic zeus cast
dense shadow
gale, nitro boost, and dodges bailed me out of dying lmao but still if you want ...
and i dont wanna waste this
split igloo
dont wanna waste this. I also have night bloom
if you had maxed moon water you could just tank him, and the other rivals 4 boss
these bosses have way too much going on
vernal quiver
dont overthink it! hes just gramps with some extra steps plus good runs like that are more often than youd think
dense shadow
dont overthink it! hes just gramps with some extra steps plus good runs like tha...
ok
vernal quiver
what familiar and keepsake are you running??
split igloo
regular Chronos I take like 50-100 damage, rivals Chronos was 575 lmao, and that's with Strength, survived by drinking moon water constantly
dense shadow
six seven 🫴 🫴
im running.. ok ngl i dropped the ball when i chose to go selene keepsake
im running toula
i dont think i jhave strentgj
split igloo
oh btw, I hope you know there's a ||phase 3|| right?
dense shadow
I AM TOULA DEFENDER AND I WILL DIE ON THSI HILL
split igloo
just be prepared
dense shadow
oh btw, I hope you know there's a ||phase 3|| right?
of course
ive beate it bnefore
but im trying to get the final statue
vernal quiver
I AM TOULA DEFENDER AND I WILL DIE ON THSI HILL
gale is just objectively better but if you like the cat i cant stop ya 🥀
vernal quiver
but im trying to get the final statue
oh whats your fear setup actually, ive seen some horrid 32s before
dense shadow
oh whats your fear setup actually, ive seen some horrid 32s before
wait lemme check
split igloo
the cat is kinda ass, literally does nothing unless you kick her
just naps at the entrance of the room
vernal quiver
with the right management shes a decent circe option, giving you early damage and super easy leash abuse
split igloo
can she still cast with Circe if she's sleeping
vernal quiver
just raki gives crit and will always be on the enemy and gale is super safe and free asf to layer casts
vernal quiver
can she still cast with Circe if she's sleeping
yeah its just on top of wherever she is, she takes more management but shes usable
dense shadow
rank 2 vow of menace and hubris
5 min on clock uhh
rivals 4
lemme send a
how do i
show you my fear
34 fear but how do i
dense shadow
can she still cast with Circe if she's sleeping
yes which is why i use
vernal quiver
34 fear but how do i
lemme grab the crossroads website we use
dense shadow
plus i got the hades cast
vernal quiver
you can make your setup, then make and send the link, its how we share arcana too super easily
its a little community handled site that has a lot of high fear stuff on it too
prisma gust
I wonder what the most common vow setup for 67 fear is
vernal quiver
i do wonder 
prisma gust
I also wonder what arcana helps when you have max void active
vernal quiver
run surface and have circe hit judgment frfr
keen bluff
run surface and have circe hit judgment frfr
Wait can that happen?
vernal quiver
yeah
prisma gust
run surface and have circe hit judgment frfr
Me who's gonna start attempting 67 surface tomorrow
vernal quiver
and its heroic so you get like 6(?) arcana a region instead of the 5
some runners take the remove a vow or gain an arcana thingy from circe on surface in hopes they high roll tf out of it, others avoid it, its a per runner basis
prisma gust
I avoid BNB, but not RCD
vernal quiver
Wait can that happen?
although i should stipulate the piggy bank cannot hit judgment
otherwise r1/r2 piggy bank would be the most obnoxious 67f meta imaginable
prisma gust
r2 probably
vernal quiver
so you get jpom value yeah
keen bluff
although i should stipulate the piggy bank *cannot* hit judgment
pensive
prisma gust
Although if I feel good I might actually try it just incase I get something good like Death
vernal quiver
not the worst ive seen
dense shadow
what would you do different
vernal quiver
hoards1 and grit1 certainly is a choice but they arent the worst thing ever
uhhh lemme make one
dense shadow
hoards1 and grit1 certainly is a choice but they arent the worst thing ever
why? explain
vernal quiver
so most of the time stuff like pain, grit, hoards, and scars3 specifically are avoided until the 45+ push because they make such disgusting impact when in tandem with other vows
vernal quiver
it makes timer harder because obviously, it makes fangs scarier because more enemies to be fanged, it makes pain/scars scarier because more things to be hit by, menace starts being an issue depending on the region because seeing an erebus room full of a million fish wastes so much time
prisma gust
it makes timer harder because obviously, it makes fangs scarier because more ene...
Menace is an issue when you see autowatchers in Thessaly or Anchors in Ephyra
vernal quiver
generally you see runners avoid those top left 3 until 45+, void is ignored until 65/67, scars2 is very manageable just 3 is saved for the 60 -> 62 jump most of the time
vernal quiver
Menace is an issue when you see autowatchers in Thessaly or Anchors in Ephyra
truuuuuue hence why i dont run circus anymore after getting my 65f mel staff clear
prisma gust
truuuuuue hence why i dont run circus anymore after getting my 65f mel staff cle...
I run almost exclusively surface because Scylla
Peak boss without rivals
vernal quiver
generally you see runners avoid those top left 3 until 45+, void is ignored unti...
on the other end of the board though you see a lot of super easy vows that are mindset changes more than fundamental execution differences, debt is invalidated by chrolex, hubris is a non issue just take a mana pot or 2 if you really need it, denial is a decision making diff, etc etc
vernal quiver
I run almost exclusively surface because Scylla
shes really learnable funny enough(until you get charybdis feature but thats besides the point)
ive had a good amount of runs get to cerb/gramps once i got used to her a bit more
prisma gust
shes really learnable funny enough(until you get charybdis feature but thats bes...
I'm still surfacing
prisma gust
Well I've got homework to do (ugh I'm reading an entire supreme court case) so I'll be back later
The document is only 118 pages
vernal quiver
godspeed soldier 🫡
dense shadow
Well I've got homework to do (ugh I'm reading an entire supreme court case) so I...
woah
prisma gust
godspeed soldier 🫡
Didn't you see I have a WR? I think I already have godspeed
vernal quiver
i really should be writing a short story for a friend to make into a script rn but oh well im busy watching yt
dense shadow
Well I've got homework to do (ugh I'm reading an entire supreme court case) so I...
bro got parchmentwork to do
vernal quiver
Didn't you see I have a WR? I think I already have godspeed
true mb gang
prisma gust
Why art thou apologizing?
dense shadow
thou ist apologising for the misgendering of thy pronouns
prisma gust
Dost thine not realize bro is a gender neutral term?
dense shadow
dost is not american
prisma gust
dost is not american
America?
God bless the USA
WTF IS A KILOMETER
BANG BANG GUN
BEER BEER BEER
SUPERBOWL
dense shadow
true mb gang
OK SO
WAIT IM AT A GOOD POINT NOW
TIPS FOR THIRD PHASE
good ol home button
best spell agsisnt chronos
vernal quiver
uhhhh use the whole arena to your advantage
i.e. sometimes the best decision is to just run and take the time to reset
dense shadow
do i just keep running and shooting casts i have hades casts and toula
vernal quiver
if you want yeah assuming timer is safe enough
dense shadow
i got lucky this time and casted the heck out of him first teo phases
vernal quiver
ummmmm mayyyybe not?? i wouldnt be comfy playing like that and i use antler lmao
dense shadow
oh so'
what then
its just i have the hades cast soi i thought i can shoot it from afar
and run and dodge when i canj
dense shadow
uhhhh use the whole arena to your advantage
so whats the strat what do you mean by this
vernal quiver
yk i did forget you have a lvl38 zeus cast nvm you should be fine
prisma gust
yk i did forget you have a lvl38 zeus cast nvm you should be fine
Only level 38? Bro is dead
vernal quiver
so whats the strat what do you mean by this
sometimes chronos will spawn a clone or in his half health sequence when he dashes at you a ton your best bet fr ends up being to just run away til hes finished
or sometimes in time slow his sequences can be evil and after that i like just running away to take a breather and reset since hes in a rhythm of teleport -> get close enough -> attack
vernal quiver
Only level 38? Bro is dead
dawg go read your supreme court case
dense shadow
Only level 38? Bro is dead
39
prisma gust
dawg go read your supreme court case
I'm reading it
dense shadow
Only level 38? Bro is dead
we got edgeworth over here
get your parchmentwork complete
dense shadow
I'm reading it
(all the best!)
prisma gust
Justice Thomas is talking about lawsuits right now if you want proof
dense shadow
Justice Thomas is talking about lawsuits right now if you want proof
thw tank engine??
prisma gust
thw tank engine??
Lmfao yes
young bloom
does arachne's outfit stay on if i have consistent armor on 😭 im tryna get the dressed to kill achievement
south copper
does arachne's outfit stay on if i have consistent armor on 😭 im tryna get the...
yes, including her keepsake or pick up armor piece of Heph boons
young bloom
yes, including her keepsake or pick up armor piece of Heph boons
awesome, thanks
i figured it would but i havent gotten a chance to get that build running (forgot to equip heph keepsake 😭 )
tough torrent
How does one get a level 39 boon
Like pom pom pom but even then you need to get 19 before then
young bloom
How does one get a level 39 boon
have you... seen one??
tough torrent
yk i did forget you have a lvl38 zeus cast nvm you should be fine
.
dad cast + zooz cast sounds really funny though
young bloom
oh wow
heady flame
hera duo
keen bluff
hestia or ares attack for moros?
vernal quiver
Like pom pom pom but even then you need to get 19 before then
Kings ransom probably
Sea star helps too
Or uhhhh zag contract
tough torrent
oh yeah, a ransom makes sense
vernal quiver
hestia or ares attack for moros?
Uhhhh id say ares for grievous
keen bluff
Uhhhh id say ares for grievous
i took hestia but it didnt give me attack
then i ended up having to take hestia later
tough torrent
i forgot about ransoms. Whenever i see ransom i'm basically never in an position to take it
vernal quiver
Moros works with like anything so :P
vernal quiver
i forgot about ransoms. Whenever i see ransom i'm basically never in an position...
Same yeah for me any case I could take it is high fear so losing any zeus or hera is a death sentence
tough torrent
i took it in the zooz hera chaos trial
and i think just that
i gave up one zooz boon and had like half a dozen hera boons, which felt like the ideal place to take it
never replicated that in a regular run
vernal quiver
Its also rough to take when hera doesnt care much for poms as zeus does but hera enables zeus to blow up everything
opal pecan
How in-character.
vernal quiver
Yeah for being married they sure do enable eachother to hell n back
Honestly really cool if it was intentional
opal pecan
I mean they did put the divorce boons in the game on purpose
vernal quiver
But like aphro and heph dont have that same idealistic synergy unless you consider weak and armor to be similar
bleak jackal
Is +2 to all elements (chaos boon) likely to help with most builds or it really depends on your gods? Trying to figure out if that reward is worthwhile or build-specific.
tough torrent
really only if you're going for a 8 elment thingy
vernal quiver
Depends how hard into infusions you wanna go, generally no its not worth it but it can be nice assuming you can get tall order going
bleak jackal
Thanks.
tough torrent
if you have like slow cooker or something and the other chaos offers are bad
i could see it maybe
silent crow
But like aphro and heph dont have that same idealistic synergy unless you consid...
i see it there
mystic mango
Is +2 to all elements (chaos boon) likely to help with most builds or it really ...
If you’re running hestia then it’s good for slow cooker for +4 attacks and specials power and you can’t really go wrong with an extra 30 health from water fitness or 4% dodge chance from wispy wiles
It’s definitely far from the worst chaos reward and has made some builds possible that I wouldn’t have gotten otherwise since stuff like rallying cry or frosty veneer is pretty hard to get on denial vow unless you’re running specific gods
Also it’s really good if you happen to get Chant from chaos but that’s pretty rare
opal pecan
It's more useful than Discovery anyway lol
tough torrent
opal pecan
Guarantees you Proper Upbringing with zero additional work, too
digital juniper
It's more useful than Discovery anyway lol
what do you mean you don’t want extra chance to find materials🔥🔥
tough torrent
I can't tell if upbringing is good or if its bait half the time
tough torrent
Like at the end of the day its basically just a pom on everything?
Yeah I actually had the upbringing grace combo on a run today
digital juniper
Like at the end of the day its basically just a pom on everything?
better than a pom due to scaling, but yeah
opal pecan
IDK why Proper Upbringing's description doesn't make it clearer that it also affects all boons offered to you in future
tough torrent
better than a pom due to scaling, but yeah
Yeah its like getting the first pom again
mystic mango
Like at the end of the day its basically just a pom on everything?
Depending on what boons you have there’s ones that can’t be pommed
There’s also stuff that becomes significantly stronger with rarity like Hephaestus blasts
Since a single rarity is a 2 second reduction
Hermes being another god that significantly benefits from it since you can’t Pom his boons
And all the other special encounter gods, Artemis, Dionysus, Athena
bleak jackal
what do you mean you don’t want extra chance to find materials🔥🔥
I actually picked it this run hahah. The options were bad and I figured Im low on ressources but admittedly, not a great choice. And Im a newbie, still making newbie mistakes.
mystic mango
Hermes being another god that significantly benefits from it since you can’t Pom...
Now I want to make a steady growth build with Hephaestus blasts
opal pecan
I actually picked it this run hahah. The options were bad and I figured Im low o...
I mean, if you're a newbie, then that's not really a mistake, that's still useful for you!
It's just that after you've 100%ed the game you don't really need 'em anymore
mystic mango
I had taken it when I was trying to unlock supay and getting marble was really annoying
bleak jackal
Man Chronos is so dead this time. I got a legendary that makes my gold act as extra HP. Its ridiculous its like having a 500 hp shield, love it.
Damn his phase 2 is hard. Even with THAT I had only 5hp left ;D But I did it!
edgy crater
Any tips for 32 heat underworld I tried with argent skull but keep on losing
I have max rivals max revenants max enemy spawn and one extra DMG
And the one that onions first god
wild drift
Easiest underworld 32 for me is Grit/Wards 1, Frenzy 2, Menace 2, Return 2, Fangs 2, Scars 2 , Debt 2, Shadow, Time 3, Hubris 2, Denial
opal pecan
And the one that onions first god
Forfeit (onion), Hordes (extra spawns), and max Rivals specifically are quite difficult vows to pick. Rivals Chronos is the hardest or second hardest fight in the game, Forfeit axes your build in the knees, and Hordes multiplies every other enemy-related vow (in your case, the Pain and Return)
Are you looking for tips to contend with these specific vows, or are you open to experimenting with different ones?
edgy crater
I'm experimenting but I'm also finding that I find surface heat runs easier than underworld heat runs
opal pecan
I'm experimenting but I'm also finding that I find surface heat runs easier than...
If you're running max Rivals, then yes, the Surface will be easier!
The Rivals fights in the underworld are generally considered more difficult overall.
edgy crater
Yes I usually struggle with Scylla
opal pecan
Yeah, she's the other one in contention for "hardest fight" 😆
edgy crater
Yea I also find max Typhon easier because he's a target that has a big hitbox and stands still
opal pecan
If you have your heart set on this specifically difficult set of vows, I would recommend looking up some high Fear runners' VODs and checking out the boss fight bits, even if you won't be taking as many vows as they are -- I found that helpful when I was doing my Rivals
edgy crater
Yes I usually watch boated for tips
opal pecan
But if not, you could try popping more points into the more easily circumventable vows, like Debt, Hubris, Denial, etc.
turbid karma
this is something akin to what I’d use for a 32 fear, personally
Debt can be avoided by taking timepiece in oceanus and purging a few minor rewards (or magic pots, maybe even a chaos boon)
turbid karma
I have max rivals max revenants max enemy spawn and one extra DMG
this sounds really painful for 32f 😅
edgy crater
Is gale usually best familiar for high heat
wild drift
I personally only use Gale if I have Vow of Pain turned up
night lagoon
Is gale usually best familiar for high heat
Yeah, the dodge chance alone is worth taking her along
patent light
32 fear is less difficult than 32 heat
lyric summit
Man Chronos is so dead this time. I got a legendary that makes my gold act as ex...
We love Paid Dues here 👌
fast prawn
frinos would be best for a circe cast build right?
flint widget
raki or gale
wild drift
Raki > Gale > Toula > Frinos > Hecuba for Circe probably
fast prawn
wha???? dont those move around a ton?
flint widget
raki is amazing for double cast and psychic leash and gale has amazing double cast but eh psychic leash
wild drift
Raki sits on top of an enemy so you're likely to get a stack (though vs Chronos for example it might choose to sit on a summon instead which is annoying), whereas Gale follows you around
fast prawn
i mean raki is my favorite familiar but never actually is near me
ah i see, i'll try that thanks
i'm not focused on psychic leash for this run, just cast
circe is for double casts not leash
wild drift
Yeah the psychic leash is only really important if you're on Forfeit and can't get a cast early imo
flint widget
dont underestimate the psychic leash
wild drift
Yeah the psychic leash is only really important if you're on Forfeit and can't g...
Yeah I say this but it will usually do like at least 35k damage even if you never think about it
hybrid maple
how far through the game am i, im trynna beat kronos or whatever his name is
flint widget
probably like 25% of the way through
mystic mango
You need I think 14 wins spread between surface and underworld to get to the credits
lyric summit
how far through the game am i, im trynna beat kronos or whatever his name is
Seems like you’re at the very start tbh 👀👀
hybrid maple
Seems like you’re at the very start tbh 👀👀
amazing
grave parrot
if i wanna make a ocast build with charons aspect, what should i go for in terms of boons?
mystic mango
if i wanna make a ocast build with charons aspect, what should i go for in terms...
Poseidon, Apollo, or ares cast, prom flare, meat grinder, geyser spout, local climate