h2-builds-and-combat

[spiral wadi]

death row also fulfills divinity so it lets me run artificier huntress night

with strength i have to drop night for messenger if i want divinity which means more ass hex charging

so lately i've kinda just ignored strength's existence

[tough torrent]

I mostly ignore hexes that aren't t curse now tbh

[alpine raft]

havent used strength in forever lol

[tough torrent]

And the slow time one

Forgor the name of that one

[spiral wadi]

i mean i like hexes in general, it just feels like u need moon or ur cooked

phase shift is pretty fun

[tough torrent]

First glance at hex choice "do I see t curse"
If no
"do I see slow time"

[spiral wadi]

my favorite is night bloom cuz surface enemies r broken so night bloom kinda just carries

[tough torrent]

If not "pick one with most potential"

[spiral wadi]

wolf howl is also nutty with lethality for free crit

[vernal quiver]

Take moonwater on scars3 trust it carries

[alpine raft]

phase shift takes 1 million magick id rather wolf howl

[tough torrent]

Wolf howl has i frame tech but I never have it so

[spiral wadi]

https://www.twitch.tv/the_dark_omen/clip/SuperBlatantPoxPastaThat-PR-_NDTDBFsAHsbh

[alpine raft]

jesus

[spiral wadi]

we found the rare niche ospecial usage

[tough torrent]

What weapon? Won't load for me on mobile

[spiral wadi]

morrigan

basically sinister pinion (which is normally useless) + grape juice + lethality crits

[spiral wadi]

i've toyed around with getting moon water and using the omega cast node for offensive tool

only thing is that it's already ass to even find moon water, then u have to roll the tree to even see the purple node u need

so it tends to be better to regain mana as a backup gain tool (which omen has done for their 62 runs)

now if they made panacea ignore scars

[vernal quiver]

Nah I take it for the vibes then chrolex any path of stars I see

[alpine raft]

sounds optimal

[spiral wadi]

i mean u can also path up moon water for gold whenever u use a charge

[tough torrent]

Is path worth more than the initial hex?

I mainly just look for growth and 5% damage

If i do pick up a path

Though if I have curse and zooz I think it is worth going for the zooz duo

[prisma gust]

After giving up on 50+ fear surface round 2 I'm gonna do 40 fear all aspects surface

[tough torrent]

[turbid karma]

wolf howl is nutty with just itself for being a free dodge

[turbid karma]

you get a stupidly large amount of iframes too as far as I can tell - I’ve dodged a chronos P2 instakill move with it before after realizing i wasn’t going to make it to the safety circle. It’s also great for bailing yourself out of bad sirens positions or repositioning quickly in cerb fight if he starts spraying fireballs!

[tough torrent]

ill have to try it more

just hard af to aim on controller

also requires me to sometimes not click on t curse when offered

[turbid karma]

ohh that makes sense

[tough torrent]

if you have ever tried to aim zooz lightning lance on controller

or full moon? the big 1k delay nuke hex

its the same as that but less range ofc

despite being a for controller™ game, there sure are some weird thing that are awkward on controller

[alpine raft]

total eclipse

[tough torrent]

yeah probably

i like, absolutely do not off hand remember the names of the hexes that have been filed away under "bad"

[alpine raft]

lol totally agreed, t curse or bust

[turbid karma]

I have never played hades 1 or 2 on controller but it does sound clunky!

[tough torrent]

it mostly works

[proper cloak]

I don't like the idea of dashing one way and then quickly needing to smash the joystick the other way to attack behind you

Having mouse controls for attacks is nice...

Also better for targeted casting

[tough torrent]

not only does it pacify some enemies
it takes a low amount of mana to charge
spamming it on bosses is still good cause it ramps damage over time

[tough torrent]

dad and fireball cast are pretty reasonably to aim on controller. its really just LL that is tough

[turbid karma]

I love both lightning lance and glowing coal(?), I hadn’t thought about how much that’s based on me using mouse!

[tough torrent]

nah coal is still very good on controller

[turbid karma]

oh what is different between LL and GC?

[proper cloak]

Coal targets a direction

[tough torrent]

even though you over aim pretty often, the coal has travel time and stops when it hits stuff

[proper cloak]

Lance targets a specific spot

[tough torrent]

same with dad cast, which also has some slight homing even

[proper cloak]

The homing is ngl kinda annoying

I would prefer they remove the homing and increase the hitbox size

[tough torrent]

would you like target feesh? no not hippocampy. feesh yesh

[turbid karma]

oh holy cow I never noticed!

[proper cloak]

Howling soul is so weird as the only hades boon that's kinda a downside contextually

[turbid karma]

huh - I always felt like they were identical haha

[proper cloak]

They're pretty similar tbf

On kbm they play exactly the same

[turbid karma]

ah i see - lance TPs?

[tough torrent]

yes

[turbid karma]

gotcha!

[proper cloak]

I played hades 2 on controller once and it was soooo weird I went through all my death defies on 0 fear and the run was super slow

[tough torrent]

not only is it instant, but it is INCREDIBLY sensitive on the joystick for some reason. so you hold cast for a fraction of a second and its all ready at its max range

[proper cloak]

I am not used to controller at all

[proper cloak]

I mean it kinda makes sense

It's supposed to be an instant cast

It's just not a boon that works well on controller

No matter what

[tough torrent]

when im aiming LL and total eclipse i very often end up throwing them at the edge of the room where only half of them are in the room 💀

[turbid karma]

ah yeah i see

[proper cloak]

Total eclipse is so silly idk how to use it well

[turbid karma]

it is quite sensitive on kbm too in my experience

[proper cloak]

It feels kinda unplayable on frenzy

[turbid karma]

I take it literally just for free typhon damage on surface

[proper cloak]

Does something on scylla and typhon and that's basically it

[turbid karma]

and never otherwise - it’s useful on sirens i guess, and is completely useless otherwise imo

anything I want dead 4 seconds from now I want dead now

[proper cloak]

They should reduce the windup by half a second

[keen bluff]

Why?

I enjoy using it

[final sedge]

As a controller only player, I can’t imagine how it would play on mouse.

[final sedge]

Total eclipse can do work on bosses.

[final sedge]

I have a fine time with it. Aim assist works good, and if you need to aim it holding it down before you release works.

[proper cloak]

The auto aim can screw you over and hit nothing and sometimes misfiring can lead to it flying off to the middle of nowhere

If you play with jpom enough you'll see what I mean

I'm not saying it's overall bad, it's overall one of my preferred hades boons

But it can be a downside

[prisma gust]

I love Winners Circle for Circe

[hollow stag]

What are the base Attack damage for Morrigan Aspect?

Is it 20?

[wild drift]

33 I think

[mystic mango]

After % damage buffs its doesn’t become worthwhile to use something like Air Quality if that’s why you’re asking

[hollow stag]

Not really. I'm wondering how much damage Wicked Onslaught hammer adds to it after 20-30 more Attack.

[mystic mango]

Ah okay yeah it’s a significant increase to damage

20-30 power is a lot on basically any weapon

[alpine raft]

probably top 3 morrigan hammers

[mystic mango]

The 400% oattack damage is nuts

[alpine raft]

final slice is best, ambush second

[mystic mango]

I was so disappointed I didn’t get it on my last Morrigan run

[final sedge]

Imagine picking Zeus for gain on your first boon and NEVER SEENING HIM AGAN THE REST OF THE RUN!!! arghh!!

[sullen blade]

are the fear modifiers in the great chaos above/below trials set or are they random like everything else? did i just get unlucky with frenzy 2 on my first attempt

[broken spoke]

Random

[mystic mango]

Ionic Gain 🤮

[mystic mango]

Absolute random so one run you might get super easy ones and the next you might get Pain 3 Scars 3 Frenzy 2 Hordes 3 Grit 2

[sullen blade]

figured, just wanted to be sure

[turbid karma]

how does flutter flourish combine with shiva Ospecial? just how close the enemy is to mel? or how close the epicenter of the blast is?

[mystic mango]

All aphrodite boons are based on proximity to Mel

Proximity to attacks doesn't matter

The area is about the same area of a cast

[turbid karma]

ah cheers, thanks!

[final sedge]

Ionic gain is awkward but not limiting. It also puts Zeus in the pool supposedly

I think I choose Zeus gain over Demeter. I also don’t like how poisidon gain is kind of on a timer.

[mystic mango]

Flood gain is genuinely the only gain that works with some builds so it has it's place

And at least dem gain becomes pretty solid with Jeweled Pom

But ionic gain forces me to go out of my way for the same effect tranquil gain gives me

[final sedge]

Which ones? I do t like poisidon gain ever so which builds?

[mystic mango]

Possessed array and fine line builds

Allow me to grab an example brb

#h2-victory-boasting message

There you go

This build would be basically impossible with any other gain unless I had an insane amount of magick on born gain

Flood gain lets you entirely forego tonics so long as you have the bare minimum magick required to cast an omega

And with enough poms and rarity it can last longer than an encounter

And even if you're working with it casually it still refunds all the magick you spend so you can still get by while the cooldown is going

It doesn't require you to stop playing the game like Ionic or Tranquil, doesn't rely on you having a lot of magick like born, and doesn't rely on you getting hit like tough

I think it's genuinely one of the best gains in the game when used effectively

[final sedge]

With enough poms which comes with jeweled Pom or something.

[mystic mango]

Yeah Jpom gives 3 levels so like bare minimum flood gain will last for like 6 seconds

It also works with seismic servo if the cooldown is an issue

[umbral horizon]

Sometimes Flood Gain run out of magic but it's acceptable

[final sedge]

you can cast still with zero magic when the flood is active.

[mystic mango]

Well yeah but when you’re out of magick and it’s on cooldown is what they meant

[tough torrent]

Flood gain is awkward and I usually avoid it... but i also think it has the highest ceiling for power

When it is good it is run defining and allows you to do thing that you could not do without anything else

When its just the random gain that you happen to grab because next floor is rivals hec and you just need some sort of gain.... it feel less that ideal

[opal pecan]

If you could double-dip one (1) core boon slot -- for example, stacking two Flourish boons -- what do y'all think would be the most busted double-dip

[flint widget]

blinding rush with frigid rush

aint nobodys gonna touch you

[tough torrent]

Demeter rush is the gale thing

Just zooz and hera would be silly

What did i even say

A lot of combinations would be crazy with relevant duos, but blitz hitch is just generically powerful

But like imagine scorch/freeze or scorch/froth ok the same button

[flint widget]

scorch and freeze would actually be bad on the same core boon slot if u have freezer burn

cuz ur not getting the most out of freezer burn

ur just dealing lowest possible freezer burn damage while having icd too

[tough torrent]

[proper cloak]

Poseidon and Zeus attack would make it so easy to trigger blitz fast on the right weapon

[slate trench]

Did flood gain get changed at all since it first dropped? I remember initially trying it with possessed array and it didn't work at all, didn't regen any of the mana from picking up skulls, only standard omegas. I figured it was useless after that since that was pretty much the only situation I could think of where it would ever be good to begin with

[tough torrent]

It triggers when you run out of mana now

And you have infinite mana for the duration

And if its off cd you can trigger it even when you have no mana

[mystic mango]

@slate trench watch that clip

It at least works now but idk anything about pre-1.0

But yeah you just need the minimum magick to activate possessed array, which stays at 25 regardless of boons

It still doesn’t work right with Mirrored thrasher though for whatever reason but at least it works with Possessed Array

[slate trench]

nice I'll have to give it another chance lol

[tough torrent]

I think if you're on mirrored you want a different gain anyhow

[mystic mango]

Yeah cardio is better for sure

[tough torrent]

Your hammer just being off half the time would be awkward

[slate trench]

Hestia gain is great and of course lucid gain is always amazing

[mystic mango]

Cardio gain mirrored thrasher with power surge and incandescent aura is fun

Can add on freezer burn if you’re feeling spicy

[opal pecan]

Based on some discussion elsewhere, apparently it does work with Mirrored Thrasher, just in a weird and unintuitive way

[mystic mango]

Yeah I know like it refunds it but won’t activate it

Something like that so you still have to use an omega

Just inconvenient

[opal pecan]

IIRC what they explained was that it's the opposite of that

[umbral horizon]

and reckless abandon, air quality

[opal pecan]

Someone oughta jump in if I'm misrecounting it, but they said something like -- you have to not use an omega move, and it will look like it's refunding nothing, but you'll continue to do double hits

[mystic mango]

Ah yeah reckless abandon for sure if you manage to get it

Weird. Guess it’s just an odd edge-case that wasn’t accounted for. Maybe we’ll get a patch at some point but I doubt it

[frank siren]

I learned how flood gain works with MT now. It ticks to 0 but you can still get double attacks, you just can never oattack.

I like born gain best because I like oattacks sometimes too

[digital juniper]

yeah similiar to how it works with parray

[tough torrent]

I dunno the last time I tried to o attack with skull.

I sometimes channel the special

But like actually never the attack

[alpine raft]

attack is way better than special for huntress

[winter heron]

During the Typhon fight, when he does his lazer tongue attack, does his actual tongue do damage or just the lazer? Cause I'm usually super close to him when he does it and I always dash anyway but I've always been curious if it's actually necessary for me to dash through it when I'm so close to him

I don't really want to test it tho lol, 70 damage is a lot if it does in fact have a hitbox

[mystic mango]

Just the laser so yeah you can just stand up against him and it can’t hit you

[winter heron]

Omg thanks!

I've been wondering since the first time I fought him lol

[wild drift]

But you might still want to learn the dash timing for the last phase with the tentacles

[winter heron]

Man that last phase used to utterly destroy me lol

[wild drift]

Though honestly that's the phase I still take damage to because I never time it correctly even now, and often just want to dps spam him to end it by that point lol

[winter heron]

Whenever I go to fight him again and he does the tongue attack in his first two phases I instinctively try to dash twice cause his final phase scarred me so much

Thankfully by now I've learned how to bait his projectile attacks and what the safe zones are

[silent crow]

fe5trybgkhhjmlm in 7

[turbid karma]

hello, your cat! 👋

[flint widget]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1283830399683919906/1476520059206893700/image.png?ex=69a16bf6&is=69a01a76&hm=c929a642d30f4f4cb5b10d88bfceed083fadf4a2b6618560d7b50ab2d6a2caf9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=589&height=491

[alpine raft]

i always forget how bad chaos slowness is on skull

[flint widget]

bro you have double dash on skull

[alpine raft]

its too slippery

[wild drift]

How does Old Herbal Remedy interact with Scars 3? I'm taking Girth over it anyway but just asking to be sure

[surreal hazel]

multiplicatively iirc

[wild drift]

Oh ok so it would just do nothing

[surreal hazel]

sadly, you'd be better off hoping for Black night banishment to hit Scars

[spiral wadi]

it also does not work with scars immune stuff like life tax and ghost onion

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, that tracks

[spiral wadi]

i haven't tested with revival yet

[opal pecan]

BNB gambling is such a PITA

[wild drift]

Yeah I've never taken it yet since usually there's at least one of Girth or Smaller Stature on offer

[opal pecan]

I took it on my 40F over Girth hoping that it would hit Pain, and it hit Frenzy instead 😅

[flint widget]

im pissed

legit had the (almost) nuts build on mel staff 65f surface

and then this game

proceeds to give me one skip thessaly and no skips olympus + nat athena

and she didnt even give me renewed

[keen bluff]

why is natural athena bad?

[spiral wadi]

natural athena in high fear compounds on vow of hordes to typically cause rooms to last way longer with no time stop

it's usually a result of how wave 4 interacts with the maximum enemy count

like u keep killing enemies and there's still enemies in the queue that need to spawn before it decides it's time for athena to actually drop

especially garbage if u have a large room full of shamblers

tho it's also noticeable with like automatons and satyr cannon guys etc

[spiral wadi]

this is also why if u get icarus relatively late into thessaly, every single wave is extremely likely to have enemies in the queue that exceed the maximum enemy count

so u get like a full 2 to 3 minutes of pain and misery

[keen bluff]

oh right cause it doesnt actually stop timer for a bit

[spiral wadi]

ye

i think athena is like literally the only encounter-type npc that doesn't actually stop the timer

[alpine raft]

still better than that bum with wings

[spiral wadi]

i mean both r still ass it's like at least if icarus spawns early enough he doesn't completely overwhelm u

[frank siren]

Nemesis doesnt pause IGT when she wants you to smack her. And if you get a non menu reward on like, Heracles, he wastes 10 seconds dropping his coin before jumping away and letting you leave the encounter

[spiral wadi]

tru, would def be preferable if nem like insta-ended at 1k hp

or stacked 100 gold (or whatever reward idk) per 1k dmg

tho it's still at least usually faster than normal encounters

[frank siren]

Not if its in the fields and you have no clue she's there

[opal pecan]

ABHTGB (always be hitting the golden bough)

[spiral wadi]

me when i decide to take a hex and later nem gives me a path of stars before stealing my endshop

[vernal quiver]

cant you just ignore what she gives you if its bad like that so you dont lose the room

[spiral wadi]

i'm pretty sure it's literally only path of stars that does this

[vernal quiver]

another reason to never take selene 😌

[spiral wadi]

true

[flint widget]

just got a new 67 surface pb of room after talos

hit exodia build with lvl 7 heroic hera special wtf

[opal pecan]

Doesn't the game not let you proceed if you don't pick up the reward

[vernal quiver]

the hearts and armor you can skip ive done it before

idk abt path of stars though since i never take selene as is

[vernal quiver]

the door just happens to open up super close to when youd pick up the drop lmao

[flint widget]

meanwhile my uw pb is an oceanus god trial

[lyric summit]

Both weapon and boon 🫢

[opal pecan]

I will duel you

[lyric summit]

Oh wait are you the first? 😂

[flint widget]

(dis)honorable duel

[opal pecan]

The first what

[lyric summit]

Weakest 67F Player

[opal pecan]

LMAO, I'm not masochistic enough for that

[wild drift]

I just realized, Kiss of Styx gives 50% HP back instead of 40

[split igloo]

what are some strong mel staff builds? I keep taking mirrored thrasher + cardio/born gain + hestia/zeus/hera strike and volcanic/wound flourish, then spam attacks and omega attacks, with an occasional special snipe, but it feels one note

[wild drift]

Zeus on attack, Hera on special, best hammers would be Dual/Shimmering Moonshot

special could be any of Hera/Ares/Demeter/Apollo/Aphrodite

I just prefer Hera especially with Shimmering Moonshot to spread Hitch

[split igloo]

can you build the special to be on par with mirrored attacks?

[wild drift]

If Ares go for Heinous Affront with Apollo's Light Smite

The Mel Staff special is 80 base damage, with Dual Moonshot and Epic Hera special that's 288 damage from 1 shot

[broken spoke]

Tbf mirror thresher is just ignoring the aspect lol

[split igloo]

yeah, so I might as well just play Momus idk, though the extra magic on Mel is nice

[broken spoke]

Mirror thresher momus is great

Your omega attack gonna hit super hard

[split igloo]

yeah, set up a repeating omega, then spam attacks, rinse and repeat

I don't use casts that much (outside of applying origination) so I don't think Circe is for me

[vernal quiver]

its how its best played

[sullen blade]

random question but does last gasp give bonus damage even if you only lose DDs after getting it? like if you lose em all during chronos do you get the damage bonus

[surreal hazel]

It constantly looks at how many DDs you have spent that run and adjusts accordingly

[sullen blade]

ohhhh ok i see

for the longest time i thought it only counted if you lost them before so i never took it

[surreal hazel]

it's sort of like an infusion in that sense, except instead of elements, it just looks at the total number of times the words "death defied!" has appeared over Mel

[sullen blade]

that makes sense

[surreal hazel]

it's still not usually that great tbh unless you're doing some athena nonsense, then it pops off

[viscid zephyr]

Very funny with that athena DD that refreshes every room

[split igloo]

so once you get jpom, there's no point to any other keepsakes right?

kinda odd that it's so OP it invalidates the whole system

[vernal quiver]

no point in using god keepsakes*

you change off of it after r1 since it persists the whole run even when unequipped

[split igloo]

you will be taking boons in all regions, and all boons starting at lv 4 is preferrable to anything else

unless?

[broken spoke]

The +3 level still there even after you change keepsake

[vernal quiver]

fates whim keepsakes stay as long as you dont break fw

so theres no reason to hold it more than 1 region

[split igloo]

I know the claimed boons will not de-level, but what about the new ones

[vernal quiver]

they get the levels too

again fates whim stays even when you take off the keepsake

[split igloo]

huh, it's like that huh

[broken spoke]

It is more OP than you thought

[split igloo]

daaaamn

[vernal quiver]

so the fw keepsake line ends up being jpom -> chrolex -> whatever -> pin/antler

[split igloo]

and you also keep daddy's random boon if you unequip?

[vernal quiver]

yeah

just dont break fw

[split igloo]

basically don't use god keepsakes or re-roll arcana, this one's easy

[broken spoke]

Yes

[split igloo]

I think Narc also has one blessing where he gives you a re-roll, it should be avoided

[broken spoke]

I believe he won't give you that on fw

[vernal quiver]

yeah anything that can give you rerolls just cant happen as long as you keep fw active

so like judgment/circe npc/piggy bank cant hit reroll arcana, narc cant give you a reroll, etc

[split igloo]

what about buying "spawn a chaos gate ASAP"

[vernal quiver]

thats fine

your only fw restrictions are no reroll arcana, and no taking olympian summoning keepsakes

[broken spoke]

Fw conditions is no olympian summoning keepsake and dice

[vernal quiver]

so dio, arty, and selene are all fair game, while athena and other boon givers arent

[broken spoke]

Everything else is fine

[split igloo]

does the selene one summon selene in the first room??

that would count as a re-roll, no?

[broken spoke]

Selene isn't olympian

So she is fine

[split igloo]

odd

[vernal quiver]

also she sucks anyway if moon beam did break fw shed be even worse

[split igloo]

moon water is OP

[vernal quiver]

the second you stop getting hit by everything its useless

[split igloo]

Chronos phase 2 has too much stuff flying all over the place
other bosses I can all do hitless already
though I haven't tried any of the rivals yet

[tough torrent]

False its still free money

All you have to do is not chrolex a path of stars

[surreal hazel]

Chlorexing a gift of the moon is 500 gold btw (not to be confused with a path of stars)

[tough torrent]

My favorite is when melinoe says she reach the end of the path and then I pick another couple paths

[surreal hazel]

just meant you hit the end of a branch, silly

[tough torrent]

Unpossible

[split igloo]

woah, the slippery slope / back burner build for mel blades is unreasonably strong

melted cerb in 3 sec flat, only had to watch his animation where he burrows down at half health, the rest was almost instant

[flint widget]

whats slippery slope doing over there

bro thinks he's part of the team 💔

[split igloo]

for more DPS + applying origination, here's the build #h2-victory-boasting message

with this build you just dash behind the enemy and spam attack, it automatically applies origination

[opal pecan]

"The Olympians" is a Greek mythological thing, not a thing that SGG made up

There is some arguing over which gods count as Olympians in different versions of myth, but none of them include Selene.

[manic shuttle]

yeah there are 12 + 1 olympians

Zeus, Poseidon, Hera, Demeter, Aphrodite, Athena, Artemis, Apollo, Ares, Hephaestus, Hermes, Hestia, Dionysus

[final sedge]

I was really happy to see that the benefits of jeweled pom stay with you after you equip a different keepsake, as long as it isn't an olympian summoning one.

[lyric summit]

It’s so good

[split igloo]

yeah but outside of god keepsakes, there isn't much else useful

[opal pecan]

That's just objectively untrue

[split igloo]

charon and echo I guess (though echo can be detrimental)

[lyric summit]

There’s quite a few useful ones

[opal pecan]

1. Time Piece is considered so overpowered that it completely nullifies Charon's purse

2. Calling Card is useful on builds where you need rarity, such as if you're fishing for Heph

[lyric summit]

Onion, Knuckle, Pin, Fang, Wantler and Sash have had success in many High fear runs

[opal pecan]

3. Experimental Hammer is a great third region keepsake, since at max level it'll last for the rest of the run

[lyric summit]

Always seems to screw me over tbh 😂

[opal pecan]

Don't take it on builds that have a brick hammer lol

[split igloo]

is Medea's worth using?

you need to tank 250 hp to proc it

[lyric summit]

Ehhh

[opal pecan]

If you've already taken that much damage and your build is almost entirely doing omega damage only and you don't want to take Antler, I guess

But otherwise I'd just take Fang lol

[lyric summit]

Maybe for new players? But some weapons don’t use omegas that much, and even so it’s probably better to use a different keepsake like Droplet if you’re worried about damage/speed

[opal pecan]

Yeah, the channel speed on Droplet is pretty dece

[lyric summit]

Don’t really recommend Antler unless you’re confident you can dodge well

Lion Fang is objectively better if you have Cherished Heirloom tho

+70% global damage at Tart

[opal pecan]

It's also just objectively better if you're not 100% focused on omega damage

[lyric summit]

Then +40% by Chronos

Or +70% if you grab it at Tart endshop by sheer luck 😂

[final sedge]

does selene's keepsake break fates whim?

[opal pecan]

45% by Chronos, only five rooms in a minimal Tart

40% by Typhon though

[opal pecan]

Scroll up

[lyric summit]

Nah you’re fine

On the rare occasion you actually want Selene tho 🫢

[final sedge]

but seems like mostly you want pom > card > watch?

[opal pecan]

On my GCA run -- the jpom start Medea with Strength -- Chaos gave me Selene keepsake for Summit. My hex was Wolf Howl 😆

[lyric summit]

My go-to is usually
JPom Chrolex Sash Wantler

[split igloo]

Selene is good when you don't want to memorize Prometheus' foresight BS, so you just pop dark side

[opal pecan]

Simply dash iframe if you don't want to memorize

[final sedge]

is the W in antler for "win"?

[lyric summit]

I swap out Chrolex for Card if I know I have a god I want in my pool, and I know I can encounter them later

[lyric summit]

White 🫢

[split igloo]

I would if you could practice this safely without doing a whole run

[lyric summit]

Simply dodge 😎

[final sedge]

dark side is mostly useless for actual damage right? I can't seem to make it do anything impressive

[opal pecan]

There's Olympus trials, aint there? :P

[lyric summit]

Nice for I Frames. Decent if you grab Godsent Aphro

[split igloo]

its damage is complete garbage, but it's great for tanking insta-kills

[lyric summit]

But otherwise…I’m looking at Twilight Curse or Wolf Howl 😅

[final sedge]

I think it's funny that posidon and aphrodite were the worst trials in hades 1, and they are the easiest now to me.

[lyric summit]

Total Eclipse could be nice if you get Eminence for brief Armor

But no guarantee

[lyric summit]

Legit 😂

I do sorta hate Demeter’s recently

[split igloo]

I remember reading how someone used wolf howl on Chronos phase 2, got stuck in a bubble and then died to the instakill

[lyric summit]

If a Revenant gets trapped in a Demeter circle then it’s annoying

[lyric summit]

That’s so peak oml 😭

[opal pecan]

Simply don't get stuck in a bubble

[final sedge]

I was trying to do something with charon axe against hephastus, and he wrecked me... you have to stay moving against heph.

[lyric summit]

Simply dodge 😎

[final sedge]

Also the amount of mess on the screen with hestia and hera, they are awful

[split igloo]

family disputes? I found Hera the hardest, actually lost 50% hp to her last time

never angering her again

[lyric summit]

Hestia/Poseidon/Aphro/Apollo are the most free for me

The others can sometimes screw you over with positioning

[final sedge]

you like hestia? I should try her again, I've only tried her once and I took more damage than I wanted to

[lyric summit]

Yeah as long as you don’t stand in the same area then she shouldn’t hit you

[manic shuttle]

Hestia is easier, Aphro sometimes blend with the background for me

I hate Demeter's trial the most, especially in Oceanus

[split igloo]

any reason why Athena and Dionysus got demoted from regular boon givers to one-offs? you can even get Athena's deflect dash from the first game and she says "it was your brother's favorite"

and Dionysus I think only has that grenade cast from H1

[lyric summit]

Agree. It’s actually so jarring with fish room and vow of return on 💀

[opal pecan]

I mean, they added a whole passel of new gods

[wild drift]

Since there's 4 new gods they probably thought there would be too many, and just chose the two that they were able to think of good reasons for

[tawdry geyser]

What do people think of Ares on Momus attack?

It worked surprisingly well for me, got me the win on chaos above (20f) which I'd been struggling with for ages

The Ω attack really pops

[opal pecan]

The Wounds cooldown doesn't match up neatly with the fire interval, but it seems like an interesting choice

[tough torrent]

Simply dont upgrade it

The interval mainly only matters for bosses though. Most mobs are gonna take huge damage from O attack staff +wound base power +wound percent boost

[surreal hazel]

Late response, but it's so funny to hear this after Hera used to be the most limp attacker during EA

[surreal hazel]

And to answer this, there's no real design space left. Adding another new full god requires a new curse, a new infusion, 8 new duos and a legendary

adding 3 more would need 27 new duos

for reference, the game only has 36 as it stands now

[tough torrent]

[mystic mango]

BRB gonna make a fresh save so I can revert momus to level 3

[umbral horizon]

Hestia is Dyo version in H2, Apollo's boons are similar to Athena too

[mystic mango]

Yeah since he essentially inherits exposed from her with Back Burner

Honestly I’ve taken Calling Card a few times just so I could get heroic back burner

200% damage buff 👌

[umbral horizon]

Sometimes I could deal backstab damage on Typhon but I dont know how

[mystic mango]

If the attack goes through him and the trajectory makes it so it’s hitting the back of his hitbox

So like blades special and maybe torches ospecial or something

Since backstrike is based on the direction the hitbox is traveling rather than Mel’s position

[tough torrent]

should have made obsessive backups as you played the first time

[mystic mango]

“Hey guys so I beat the game with every weapon aspect at every level on 40 fear”

[umbral horizon]

Which damage can deal backstab? Blast or Splash?

[mystic mango]

Idk the whole specifics of it because I’m pretty sure stuff like Axe ospecial can’t deal backstab damage even if the center of the blast is behind an enemy. You’d have to ask somebody with far more game knowledge than myself but I just know that traveling hitboxes can count for backstab

It wouldn’t be too hard to beat on skelly for a bit and find everything that can do backstab while standing in front of an enemy

Something like Hel can probably do it, coat rockets maybe

[tough torrent]

i dont think i've ever struck skelle unless prompted

[mystic mango]

It’s likely directly related to when the hitbox collides with the hurtbox so AOE effects I don’t think can backstab since their damage is based on whether the enemy is in the blast rather than activating when colliding with an enemy

Unless their backstab is instead based on Mel’s direction from the enemy

I’m sure somebody with far more playtime than myself already knows how every attack in the game works in relation to backstab

Well so I just realized the issue with testing on skelly. The game won’t display backstab unless you’re able to do extra backstab damage

And since nothing on base Mel has backstab bonus except base Mel blades you’re not able to see

[viscid zephyr]

backstab dmg atleast to my knowledge works like it does in hades 1. Meaning it only modifies the base dmg of your weapon

so if you have 30 base dmg and 100% backstab

60 dmg

so no synergy with heph blasts or splash

[tough torrent]

If only you could throw on back burner and blinding rush

[digital juniper]

heph blasts actually used to backstab, but that was supposedly a bug and has been patched out

[mystic mango]

Getting 200% backstab damage on heph blasts would be so absurdly broken beyond the already crazy limits of heph blasts

[split igloo]

is aspect of selene worth using at all? the hex you get doesn't seem that good or useful

[vernal quiver]

its basically a blue mel coat yeah

[alpine raft]

easily worst coat

still usable tho because coat is good

[split igloo]

the hex takes forever to charge, and it's the only thing this coat has

[vernal quiver]

at least coat has a super solid base moveset

[split igloo]

oh, and the Persephone skull? is that meh too?

[vernal quiver]

low fear its Ospec can get super strong and it has some nicer synergy with heph with the poms but at high fear its just mel skull again

[split igloo]

thought people were saying Medea is the meta skull? unless I got pranked?

[alpine raft]

well its the best speedrunning aspect if thats what you mean

persephone skull is closer to mel than medea

[split igloo]

for Medea, you just press attack 4x to prime the explosives, then special into someone, then special again to retrieve the skulls? is that how it's meant to be played?

[alpine raft]

noo you attack once per special

lets you do it repeatedly very fast

[split igloo]

ohhh, that makes more sense

[opal pecan]

Slap some +cost boons on yer special and you're golden

It'll never compete with Mel coat or w/e but it's decently usable

[vernal quiver]

depends on context, if we talk overall power potential from like speeds, dps, then yeah medea is the best weapon in the game

but once we get to high fear medea is super risky and hard to play

compared to say most mel aspects and circe are super super strong at high fear because theyre safe and consistent but wont be record times

[split igloo]

been really enjoying the thanatos axe, just had a run with freeze strike (and +90% damage from Chaos), double omega special hammer, nova flourish lv 14 (+220% damage), and tranquil gain (it's actually great for spamming 45 magic specials from afar)

there's a fair amount of builds you can make with Thanatos, it's really flexible

which is funny, because at first I was just playing the staff, but now I barely use it anymore, been playing a lot of torches and axe, some blades too

not sure if I'll eventually warm up to skull and coat though, those weapons seem... wrong, idk

[surreal hazel]

Than is very adaptable, yes

But still really wants psychic whirlwind because it's ridiculous

[split igloo]

oh hey, about the skulls, born gain w/ possessed array is a cheat code basically, wow

kinda crazy I lucked out into this on my 1st skulls run in a while

[surreal hazel]

Possessed array is bonkers, yes

Other great choice is flood gain with it

[split igloo]

it's just insane luck, I took cardio gain first, then possessed array, then realized my run is probably ruined due to the magic economy absolutely not working out, then tried buying a sacrifice boon request from a fountain, and what do you know, there was Hera with a high rarity born gain right in the next room

[vernal quiver]

cardio can work with possessed

just it needs to be a pretty strong cardio and you wont be able to get things like fine line otherwise yeah its never happening

but since the explosion and the dash count as seperate hits for cardio iirc if youre quick enough on the inputs it can keep up fine

just not like born or flood gain levels of keep up

[flint widget]

jpom cardio is probably sustainable for parray

speaking from experience

but yeah regular cardio aint cutting it

[flint widget]

also doesnt omega enhancing stuff like fine line ocean swell etc dont affect the 25 magick lose cost

cuz ur losing magick not using it

[vernal quiver]

uhhh iirc possessed is still triggering the Ospec, so anything that has a "do x thing on Omega" would still happen and eat the corresponding mana

[flint widget]

are u talking about persephone

since o special

[vernal quiver]

i forget P.array is Oattack same thing

but i swear it still eats the fine line or ocean swell mana if it didnt thatd actually be insane

[flint widget]

it doesnt

im speaking from experience

[digital juniper]

yeah as checkmate said it doesn’t

a parray with fine line ocean swell cut above exceptional talent would still only be 25 magick lost per skull

[vernal quiver]

oh ok cool

[surreal hazel]

This is why possessed array is busted

[surreal hazel]

Don't forget weedkiller!

[digital juniper]

knew i forgot something

[surreal hazel]

One of the best choices too

[tawdry geyser]

Whoops I meant moros

[split igloo]

what non-mel aspect for the blades? artemis or pan?

need to level one of these to unlock the hidden aspect

[surreal hazel]

Artemis feels the most different to play

[split igloo]

artemis feels like you just fish for parries, then you can't do much for 12 sec while it's on cooldown, idk, seems bad?

also, how do I use anubis? I don't get the moveset at all

[opal pecan]

1. attack or better yet oattack (which adds an additional slice of damage field that also blocks normal enemies' movement)
2. spam ospecial
3. DO NOT SPAM ATTACK
4. always be casting
5. onhits

[split igloo]

what's 5

[manic shuttle]

On hit effects like scorch, blitz, pos waves are better on attack but % ones work too

[split igloo]

hestia as well?

[manic shuttle]

Yea

[opal pecan]

There is also the Hera Theory (aka it's extra funny because you're doing these big AOEs where the hitch makes everything multiply)

I like Hera special too much meself but the theory seems sound

[flint widget]

tbh i dont like omega specialing on anubis

cuz you can easily get hit by the enemy youre targeting with

[opal pecan]

IDK, maybe it's because I only played it in casual runs, but out of all the problems I had with Anubis, "getting hit by enemies because of specials" was never one

Especially omega specials, which have travel time for you to react with

[split igloo]

how does Anubis even work, I tried it on Skelly, and I don't understand what it's doing, it's creating some yellow zones, then what? the damage output seems minimal

[opal pecan]

The zones are DoT fields

The special has an added in "pull" effect which doesn't work on Skelly

[split igloo]

yeah and it's ticking for like 24 damage

and the special just seems to be the regular staff special, the ball

[opal pecan]

which doesn't work on Skelly

[surreal hazel]

It's hilariously powerful

AoE that big that carries on ticking while you're free to do other stuff

[split igloo]

also, before I forget, should I reinforce Skelly, is that incantation important

[surreal hazel]

for a lol, yes

[opal pecan]

It won't affect your runs

[split igloo]

it's 2 nightmare, does it progress his story at least

anyway, as for Anubis, from what I gather, it's a low mobility weapon? you create these zones then just stand there pulling enemies in?

[surreal hazel]

It's a high mobility weapon

you make the zones and are free to move

[alpine raft]

yea you aren't standing still often

[surreal hazel]

you can pull them in, sure, especially if you overlay your cast onto it

but like, don't sneeze at something that can proc damage in a huge area multiple times a second. Just think what flame strike alone would do

and the oAttack, while awkward to place, is MUCH more powerful than the staff's normal oAttack

[split igloo]

eh idk, I guess I need to play the demo trial to learn how to use this thing and whether it's worth upgrading

[opal pecan]

Please keep in mind that the Chaos trials are not necessarily "demos" for the aspect

Just literally take it out on a normal run

[split igloo]

kinda hilarious it plays a stereotypical egyptian tune when using

[wild drift]

You can also half-ignore the aspect and just spam OSpecial like I did

But there's no downside to placing some attacks down really, I just don't like having to think about them so I mostly use the OSpecial on Anubis

[surreal hazel]

Always dash strike the place it

[wild drift]

Yeah high level players seem to dash-strike->dash->OAttack

[surreal hazel]

Dash releasing oAttack is a bit of a skill to learn

[tough torrent]

Wait is that why my circles were sometimes way bigger

I have only played a few runs, but I noticed sometimes my circles expand a lot more

[wild drift]

Nah that's probaby just with Apollo attack or that one hammer

[split igloo]

okay I beat the demo trial

the special on Anubis is really spammy

you just create the zone then mash the special button really hard

though, this also pulls the enemies towards you, which makes you take damage from their attacks sometimes

[opal pecan]

We did specifically tell you both of these things :P

[split igloo]

if you o-attack, it puts up a small barrier, will this protect against attacks?

also, what's the deal with supay? the demo trial is no-hit BS, so I can't really feel it out

it just auto-attacks, but the damage seems trash, even with omegas

honestly, all these hidden aspects don't seem very viable

[wild drift]

I would say Anubis and Morrigan are both like consensus top 10 aspects at least

Maybe even Nergal and Supay

[viscid zephyr]

skull hidden is good.
blades hidden are way stronger than the normal aspects.
Axe hidden is also pretty good

[split igloo]

I'm also about to unlock the skulls hidden aspect, whatever that one's called

[split igloo]

about the blades, I've seen people say artemis and pan are OP, but the default one is already insane if you spec into backstabs/back burner, it melted everything in seconds

[wild drift]

All non hidden blades are like mid or bottom tier unless you have Trick Knives

[split igloo]

just get poseidon attack + slippery slope, then daze rush + back burner, you dash behind the enemy and mash attack, everything dies near instantly

default mel blades

[viscid zephyr]

every aspect is viable and good enough for normal play of max 32fear.

The question of viability only really becomes relevant when fear climbing

[split igloo]

idk, some like nergal seem like a meme, it's so slow but you need to hit something a whole lot of times to proc berserk

[viscid zephyr]

when maxed its not that bad. You gotta spam omegas to get value out of the weapon

also healing

[split igloo]

or you could just play other axes with the hammer that makes every attack the overhead swing

it will be nergal but better

[viscid zephyr]

The overhead swing isnt very good because of how slow it is

[split igloo]

AoE

[wild drift]

Good luck trying that on Frenzy 2

[split igloo]

its hitbox is bigger than it looks like, you need to stand a fair distance away from the enemies

[surreal hazel]

The base damage is trash, but the idea is that you're able to be firing attack, special and rush all at once with your cast doing stuff on its own

go for on hit effects like hitch, blitz, scorch and splash

supay starts off slow, but it becomes utterly disgusting as all of your boon combos basically just do themselves

Origination is difficult not to proc

[split igloo]

as a Nioh player, I always build for and apply statuses for origination
Supay is still bad though, just use Moros

[austere trail]

nah supay is really fun as well

[surreal hazel]

Try it. Once you have your cores set up it shreds

[viscid zephyr]

supay is all about those boon synergies.

zeus/poseidon/hestia can do disgusting amounts of damage on supay.

especially when you get +1 special orb

[lyric summit]

You just need a few boons/good sprint and you’re golden.
But yeah the first few rooms without a boon can be miserable with Soupy 🫠

[viscid zephyr]

once you get jpom everything kinda works for it

[lyric summit]

Yuss

Unless you have vow of forfeit on 🧅

[surreal hazel]

Soupy is also the best heinous smite aspect

[wild drift]

I didn't even consider that wtf

Thunder Rush start?

[surreal hazel]

maybe? It's ultimately all about vicious flourish just inflicting wounds over everything like a paint roller rolls... paint

Heaven Strike is still totally valid since it doesn't much care about supay's wimpy 15 base attack power

[wild drift]

Yeah I just hate how slow Supay starts without a rush boon which is why I play it Surface more since it's easier to get a build (Romantic Spark) going

[lyric summit]

Honestly a perfect example of a weapon with high highs and low lows 💀

High Fear Supay’s goal is to literally leave Erebus and then you should be fine 😭

[flint widget]

i like my soup hot

[wild drift]

Don't you actually like it cold because of Breaker Rush lol

[flint widget]

eh hot water exists

[opal pecan]

In the ocean, though?

Well, I guess geothermal vents exist :P

[wild drift]

If only Breaker Rush could apply Froth for Scalding Vapor lol

[spiral wadi]

that'd be very nutty

[tough torrent]

wait it doesnt even with slippery slope?

[spiral wadi]

nope

[lyric summit]

Pain

[twin summit]

I genuinely, can't believe how broken, the anubis staff is with Romantic Spark

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1477413478527537256/coolsnipebro.mp4 this is why we always asphodel skip

[silver ivy]

Does Mirrored Thrasher stack with Extra Dose? Like, does it give a chance for 4 attacks?

Also, do Selene, Artemis & Hermes count towards your standard god pool?

[digital juniper]

they don’t

[digital juniper]

i would assume so yeah

[silver ivy]

All righty thanks so much for the quick answer(s)! I was curious about thrasher & extra dose because someone on reddit said they confirmed that double whallop stacks with extra dose. Different wording though.

[digital juniper]

yeah just don’t forget that extra dose only works on normal attacks, not omega attacks

[surreal hazel]

I think each attack rolls twice for extra hits. So seeing it hit 4x at once would be quite rare but still possible

[surreal hazel]

Double wallop was a very early EA build hammer before mirrored thrasher stepped in

[digital juniper]

just going by the name, was it that your dash attack hit for 2x?

[opal pecan]

Tryna cosplay coat eh?

[surreal hazel]

Basic attack is wallop

Dash strike is Swipe

[silver ivy]

Do nectar copies from Sea Star trigger the boon level up/pom slice level up?

[mystic mango]

Yes all sea star rewards function the same as their counterparts

[silver ivy]

Oh, that significantly improves my opinion of Sea Star, thanks!

[icy maple]

I've spent 100+ hours in this game, but since then I still can't decide what is the best aspect of the zorephet axe (like in general)

[wild drift]

I have 180 hours and only like 5 axe clears lol so I have no horse in this race, but I see most people say Charon is the best one

[vernal quiver]

Charon is best for speeds and mel is the best for high fear

Nergal has an argument for high fear if you just fish for psychic start and get an early gain but its rough to play at 65/67 because its so omega focused

[spark crown]

Wrong emoji

*

[white sun]

i need a funny shiva build

[spark crown]

Play anything else (Apollo special shiva)

[icy maple]

Alright thanks, I am kinda confused between Charon and nergal, since both are for me at least is equal, which depends on the build, but overall thanks

[severe flax]

Does the Mel staff buff your omega specials as well or just the specials?

In general I'm not really sure how power works

[wild drift]

Both normal and omega specials are buffed

It says gain Power for your SpecialS so it means both normal and omega

[severe flax]

And is power just a flat damage bonus or base damage bonus?

[wild drift]

Base damage

[severe flax]

Like if I have 30 power and I get 20% bonus damage from ares it's 36 extra damage per hit compared to no power?

[wild drift]

So for example with Heroic Hera special, Mel Staff special is 80*1.9=152 damage

[wild drift]

Mel Axe on the other hand says "Gain bonus Attack Power" which means only attack and dash-strike, not the omega whirlwind

[severe flax]

Oh also are all the % bonuses multiplicative or additive?

[wild drift]

Well Ares is a bit different because of Wounds, for example if you have Common Ares special and used it 2 times in 2 seconds, with Mel Staff it would be (80+50)×1.3 = 169 damage on the first one and 80×1.3 = 104 on the second one

[severe flax]

Oh ye I just chose at random, ignore wounds

[wild drift]

They are all additive iIrc except for critical hits and Ares double damage

[severe flax]

Oh that's... Probably for the best

But still unfortunate

[wild drift]

So for example on Medea which says "Attack & Special Damage: +90%", with Heroic Flutter Strike an attack would do 40(1+0.9+1.4) = 132 damage, whereas with Heroic Vicious Strike the first attack with Wounds would do (40+50)(1+0.9+0.5) = 216 damage, while subsequent attacks within the Wounds cooldown would do 40(1+0.9+0.5) = 96 damage

[severe flax]

Thanks for the math clarification

Oh while I'm here am I crazy or are the knives kinda slow

You get locked into the attack animations for a good while

[vernal quiver]

their normal attack sequence is a bit time consuming icl, generally like most weapons it defaults into dash attack -> special spam

although i also dont play much knives, every single one has cleared max fear though and some even surface max fear so :P strong weapon just needs some knowledge on how to really use them

[severe flax]

Everything seems at least good enough but some weapons feel like they thought about them a bit more

I feel like the staff was given way more love than the knives for example

[vernal quiver]

its weird, every weapon feels very intuitive imo besides coat and knives for me at least

but it is crazy that they make medea and then put pan in the same game

[severe flax]

Pan kinda feels like a worse version of that one bow aspect from the previous game

Don't remember the name

[wild drift]

Yeah this game is very balanced but I would argue not balanced enough

[wild drift]

Chiron yeah

[severe flax]

I don't really see much of a reason to use Mel torches either I guess

Moros feels like a straight upgrade

[twin summit]

Genuine question

For the staff of anubis

Apollo Nova Strike
Or
Zeus Heaven Strike

[manic shuttle]

Zeus

[lyric summit]

Zeus

This answer also applies to most other questions too unfortunately ⚡️

[twin summit]

Id say the Aphrodite is the best boon to pair isn't it

[severe flax]

Quick question, can you prime more mana than you have or does not having the mana block certain boons from appearing

[turbid karma]

you can prime more mana than you have!

but it keeps track, so if you prime down to let's say -50, then you pick up a magic pot, you'll be at -20 and not +30

[tough torrent]

its kind of hard to do

you have to basically go out of your way to over prime your mana

or i guess play with hubris

[turbid karma]

hm, I'm not sure that's super true on higher fear

[severe flax]

if I have 40 mana and I get the zeus boon that primes 50 or something

not that unlikely

[tough torrent]

yeah i forgot about hubris my bad

[turbid karma]

yeah - max hubris, athena's reusable DD, static shock, snow queen, etc are all pretty heavy users

[severe flax]

can you prime mana you don't have?

when your entire bar is primed can you prime more and go into mega mana debt

realistically if you primed all your mana do you still get to take new boons if you have hubris for example

[turbid karma]

yes you can

[turbid karma]

yes! you can even take boons that explicitly say "prime an amount of mana"

you can take, for example, static shock even if your magic is already at -20

[severe flax]

Sick

[severe flax]

Oh also isn't strength just better than death?
Death effectively gives you 100+(3*40) for 220% HP
Strength gives you 100/0.6 for 167% HP and way better healing and you get to take advantage of no DD buffs AND you get 20% extra damage

Seems like a clear winner to me

Especially since extra damage means less time per fight giving you a smaller margin of error

I guess you can replenish your DDs during a run for more effective HP?

[grim current]

We can't just compare these numbers in a vacuum. It's more often than not players are roadblocked from a boss than the thousand-cuts that is trekking to them. Death provides players more wiggle room to finish off a boss they've yet to master.

[ionic pond]

how does it give better healing m still kind o new to the game?

[keen bluff]

Each Hitpoint is worth more

The healing itself isn't better but the hp lasts longer

[ionic pond]

got it

[grim current]

It also helps Echo & Athena can refill Death Defiances for free. Or more accurately, the only penalty is the opportunity cost of equipping them instead of Stalwart Stand or Gold Gold Gold.

[ionic pond]

do you guys have a build for aspect of pan on the daggers?

[grim current]

Hestia's Flourish, maybe.

[ionic pond]

what abt the cast?

[grim current]

Even as someone who likes to favor moves, Pan isn't very fun when it takes so long to fully channel its special.

[grim current]

There doesn't seem to be anything about Pan that specifically encourages one ring boon over the other besides not equipping Winner's Circle.

[ionic pond]

why winners circle doesnt that give you less time as the aspect doesnt buff the cast at all

[severe flax]

I feel like I'm dying more to a thousand cuts situation honestly

[grim current]

Well, there you have it.

Equip Strength, then.

I find Strength more fun than Death myself.

[severe flax]

It seems better on paper to me

Also if I have a good build and I don't take any meaningful damage until the final boss I find that I can just facetank them and still win which isn't as fun and strength forces you to play the game

Also 20% extra damage is very meaningful

[split igloo]

Strength is straight up better until high fear (which most people don't need to care about)

[severe flax]

In high fear you don't get to use arcana anyways no?

[keen bluff]

That's the last vow turned on generally

So like only extremely high fear

[severe flax]

so like 60+

[keen bluff]

62 is everything without void, then 65 and 67 are the big ones that use void

[severe flax]

what of the other void levels?

what do you throw away on the first two?

[keen bluff]

I don't know actually, my highest is 32 fear
I know 65 uses judgement, which is the one that requires you to use 3 cards or less

[digital juniper]

if you’ve cleared 62, the next jump is always 65 with void 3, so you utilize judgement with the 6 grasp

[keen bluff]

Is it generally persistence and death?

[digital juniper]

strength persistence actually, your goal is to utilize the damage boost from strength early on, and get death region 3 or region 4 so you have safety for the final regions

if an omega aspect, or one that needs a stronger start, you might see artificer persistence sorceress

[keen bluff]

Ah makes sense

[digital juniper]

there’s also the setup that uses the entirety of the right column, as that activates the most cards, giving you a higher chance of hitting the cards you want earlier

[severe flax]

following my previous question on negative mana, how does that interact with the huntress?

I'd assume it's always off but you can't really know with this sort of stuff

[mystic mango]

Yeah if you’re unable to spend magick to reduce it below max then it shouldn’t activate

Even if 100% is 0

[severe flax]

That sucks

[digital juniper]

yeah you need to have magick to spend to get on huntress

[severe flax]

So basically huntress is only really useful if you're spamming omega attacks/specials

[digital juniper]

not really, it’s best when the weapon’s combos don’t use many omegas

a frequent use of it is throwing an omega at the beginning of the room and then proceeding to use your normal combo

[mystic mango]

Same also goes for flood gain even though it gives you infinite magick while active

You still have to have the minimum magick on your maximum required to activate the ability

[severe flax]

Oh ye if you don't have any regen it's free damage

[keen bluff]

so flood gain stops working when you prime too much?

[mystic mango]

Yea if you don’t have enough max magick

I nearly threw a p-array run by priming under 25

So it wouldn’t activate

So if you do a flood gain build with like every magick cost increase you still need 100 max magick to do all of it

Or however much your ability costs

Exceptional talent giga cleaver for example

[severe flax]

I just realized last run that Mel axe can actually be good since if you just do dash attacks and specials it's decently fast and gives free stats

[digital juniper]

yeah dash attack into special and repeat is a really strong way to play it

especially if you hit dashing heave

[severe flax]

But that entire run devolved into me spamming dash bubble dou once I got past eris

That thing is so fun

[mystic mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1476089653856829552/Hades_II_2026-02-24_23-22-57.mp4?ex=69a5c9dd&is=69a4785d&hm=1201304404dd89b780522aaf47ab4bbf4152002ff1c18a2f8b74217055e85a1b&

Getting the one that makes dash strike explode or all attacks explode is really good

[prisma gust]

So I used to think my struggle for high fear Underworld would be Rivals Chronos

I was wrong.

Rivals Scylla and Sirens is so much worse

[mystic mango]

Oh absolutely. Especially with forfeit you end up being so much weaker early game

[opal pecan]

Explode??

[mystic mango]

“Yes, Rico. Kaboom”

[wild drift]

Is Hitch better on Attack or Special for Eos?

[vernal quiver]

special

cuz then everything in the room turns green and dies

[thin gazelle]

Special. Spin to win!!

[vernal quiver]

your boss damage will be a bit low though is always the concern but zeus/hera on attack/special will always be super strong

[wild drift]

Yeah that's what I thought especially in comparison to Moros and Supay

I did 45f underworld with Moros no problem but on surface I timed out in Olympus so I was considering Eos for better and safer room clear

But I can't see a situation where the single-target damage compares at all

[winter heron]

Do we know how much health Typhon actually has?

I've always wondered

[final sedge]

For the timepiece, do different things for different amount of gold?

[broken spoke]

Yes, more valuable thing give more gold

[wild drift]

65k

[mystic mango]

200 - bones, nectar, ashes

300 - tonic, path of stars, centaur heart, pomegranate

400 - god boons

[thin gazelle]

always sell Chaos boons and hexes they give soooo much money

[mystic mango]

500 - hammers, Selene hex, triple pomegranate

550 - warden upgraded boons and chaos boons

Running time piece means I basically never go for gold reward and will always choose a tonic or path in place when I have the option because it gives 300 gold

[final sedge]

I had two failed runs today. I can’t get Selene coat working for me.

[alpine raft]

what are you trying

[flint widget]

start selene keepsake and if u dont see ferocity as a selene node immediately undo night

if u do see it unlock ferocity asap

[tough torrent]

Honestly even turning tonics and stuff for 300, I usually have more money than I can spend

[final sedge]

Should I keep fate whim build and use jpom later?

[prisma gust]

Well I'm starting to really understand Rivals Chronos

Sirens on the other hand is a far different story

But I did just beat 50 fear without ever using a DD

[prisma gust]

At least I'm getting a lot better at the end

Not really the start

[lyric summit]

You're not alone in that regard 💀

Rivals Sirens lowkey the hardest UW boss 👀 👀

[prisma gust]

Basically gonna be what makes 62 f Underworld hard

[lyric summit]

Ohh did you beat Surface 62F first? Nice 👏

[prisma gust]

Yeah

My max UW was 40 until today

[lyric summit]

That's one heck of a stepup gj

[opal pecan]

Rivals be like

[prisma gust]

FR

[prisma gust]

Honestly it was tough

[lyric summit]

I can imagine 😬

My first few attempts I died twice at Babality and it was so demoralising 😂

[prisma gust]

Did you do 62 fear?

[lyric summit]

ye

I've only done it a few times on surface. I mainly play UW tho

[prisma gust]

I hate babality, but I hate Rivals Sirens more

[lyric summit]

Truuuu

The biggest run killer in any 67F attempt too

[prisma gust]

I will probably never do max fear

While I am an extremely good player I'm not THAT good

[lyric summit]

I said this a week back and then somehow started grinding for it so never say never I guess 😂

But yeah having no arcana can really suck the fun out of the game 💀

[prisma gust]

I was treating this server like the zpeedrunning one

[prisma gust]

Anyways what I meant to say was I did the same damn thing with 62 fear

[lyric summit]

There's something about this game that makes you want to chase higher unnecessary challenges for yourself 😅

[prisma gust]

Also why am I even in that server honestly. My only "speedrun" was my 62 fear run where I accidentally got the 62 fear Mel Skull WR for surface

[lyric summit]

Tbf that server is for speedrunning but we use it for both that and high fear boasting too lol

I don't really speedrun cuz I'm terrible at it 🤡

[prisma gust]

Yeah

[opal pecan]

Never stopped me :P

[prisma gust]

Anyways I'm proud that I managed to accidentally get an aspect 62f WR

[opal pecan]

The fun thing about casual speedrunning compared to Fear pushing is that either way, you'll probably get to play a run 😆

[lyric summit]

Oo do you have a vod on H2crossroads?

[lyric summit]

That's actually a very good point lmao

[prisma gust]

Nah. I play on switch so recording is too much of a pain

[lyric summit]

65 to 67F attempts made me lose some muscle memory with Fields and Tartarus lol 😂

[lyric summit]

Oof rough 😬

[prisma gust]

NGL I might be one of the best switch players at least

[lyric summit]

You and Dirt Monster probably yeah

[prisma gust]

Who the hell is Dirt Monster?

[lyric summit]

Oh they changed their name

@leaden heron

They cleared 67F with Moros on Switch iirc

[prisma gust]

I've only done 62 :(

[lyric summit]

I'll swing back next week and that would've changed 🙃

[prisma gust]

I'm working up to 62f Underworld first

Also would I end up being one of the first 10 67f surface players if I actually did it?

Hell I might consider it just to brag a lot

[lyric summit]

Uhhh I'd have to check H2crossroads

[leaden heron]

You called?

[lyric summit]

I think you actually would lol

[prisma gust]

Fellow Switch player hello

[lyric summit]

We were saying you play on Switch and beat 67F ye?

[leaden heron]

Yeah

[prisma gust]

Dammit I'm gonna do it

I'M A MADWOMAN AND NEED THERAPY, BUT HADES 2 IS BETTEE

[leaden heron]

It goes well for me but Olympus screws me

[lyric summit]

Wow. Took about 20 minutes to change your mind 😂

[prisma gust]

I pin gamw

[prisma gust]

Shut up

[lyric summit]

Miserable experience

[leaden heron]

Moros Pin?

[prisma gust]

Yeah

[leaden heron]

I timed out on Heroes always

[prisma gust]

Moros in Olympus saved my 62 run far too many times

[lyric summit]

Ugh same. I need to practice my 62F surfaces eventually

Once...I get the 67F Circe UW win 😓

[leaden heron]

Ten Nine Eight Seven Six WAIT THAT WASN'T THE LAST WAVE Five Four Three Two One Rage quits

[prisma gust]

Lmfao real

[lyric summit]

Three Two One (last enemy spawns revenant)

[prisma gust]

DAMN YOU AETOS

[leaden heron]

Or this, yeah

[prisma gust]

Anyways am I a madwoman for wanting to do max fear surface?

[lyric summit]

You wouldn't be the first madwoman lol

Think 2 others have done so and now they're addicted to clearing 67Fs like crazy 👀

[prisma gust]

I thought there were 3 or 4

I know Boated and Foolish, but I thought there was anothee

[lyric summit]

Ah I meant women lol

[leaden heron]

No. In my experience the hard part starts at Olympus

[opal pecan]

Boated and Foolish representing the madmen, I suppose

[prisma gust]

Oh

[opal pecan]

I know there's plenty of nonbinary mad people on the speedrunning side, any of them doing 67s? Plauhaha

[lyric summit]

And Foolish solely representing the aussies

[leaden heron]

Hes Austrian?

[opal pecan]

Austrian 😂

[lyric summit]

Yes as of today he is Austrian

[leaden heron]

Oh ok

[prisma gust]

I'll represent the trans girls who want to clear max fear

[lyric summit]

I might be the only Brit to clear 67F but it's hard to know lol

[leaden heron]

I did Max Fear UW but not a trans woman

[lyric summit]

Anyone else British here?
silence 🦗

[prisma gust]

I know how to scare brits

Seasoning

[lyric summit]

Doesn't take a lot

[leaden heron]

American here

[lyric summit]

Yeah that'll do it

Vegetables

[prisma gust]

Ew (same)

[leaden heron]

Florida to be exact

[prisma gust]

WHY DO I KNOW SO MANY FLORIDIANS ONLINE

[leaden heron]

I get the feeling you're in Orlando

[prisma gust]

I'm not Floridian

[leaden heron]

Its odd here. Its like 49°F (9.4°c) at night and 80°F (26°C) during daytime

[prisma gust]

I've seen worse

[leaden heron]

Hurricane

Living right next to the beach for me actually helps keep it cooler in summer but at the expense of stronger hurricanes

[prisma gust]

Tornado

[leaden heron]

Oklahoma?

[prisma gust]

Not saying exact state, but close

[leaden heron]

Okay I know where. But wont say it

[prisma gust]

Thanks

Anyways I am definitely gonna suffer on 62 and then suffer more on 67

Max fear surface will be wild

I'll do 65 first, then max ofc

[leaden heron]

Not bad with Nergal

[prisma gust]

I'm bad with Nergal

I'm a Mel Skull player forever

[lyric summit]

Let us know how it goes 😄

[prisma gust]

Mel skull will take me to max fear

I believe in Mel Skull and Mel Skull believes in me

[lyric summit]

Think we've only had 2 Mel Skull Max Fear wins so far 🤔

Boated for Surface and Vyt for UW

[prisma gust]

Just like my friend Bouldy

[prisma gust]

Time to beat Boated's speed and officially become the best Mel Skull player or smth IDFK

[leaden heron]

Oooooooffffff thats a rough state to be in

[leaden heron]

Ego much?

[prisma gust]

Absolutely!

[digital juniper]

i think Raijy or Frei also got one recently?

[lyric summit]

Oh yeah ofc!

Raijy beat 67F Mel Skulls without an Atk boon 😂

[leaden heron]

How?

[prisma gust]

I swear I'm gonna get into a Mel Skull rivalry with Frei

[lyric summit]

Think she had Danaid for a good portion and then never hit atk

[digital juniper]

most normal raijy clear

[lyric summit]

It's up on her YT channel today i think?

[leaden heron]

Yeah that does it

[lyric summit]

Super chill, play some tunes and casually beat 67F

[digital juniper]

Frei’s too cracked im afraid

[lyric summit]

🐐

[prisma gust]

Nah, I'd win

[lyric summit]

Funnily enough the person who said that... didn't 💀

runs

[prisma gust]

Exactly! I know I'm screwed!

[leaden heron]

Someone summon Frei this'll be hilarious

[prisma gust]

⁨@odd garden⁩

[leaden heron]

Oh Frei the Cracked we call your name. Grace us with your presence

[prisma gust]

In the name of Freides

[leaden heron]

Wait I thought it was pronounced Fry

[prisma gust]

I dunno

In case you can't tell, me stoopid

[leaden heron]

I got banned from the MH server for using Hunting Horn.

So yeah...

This was back in 2020ish

[prisma gust]

Damn Frei isn't gracing us with her presence

So I'm probably gonna end up turning into one of those insane max fear runners

[lyric summit]

Well if you end up doing so, I was here!

[odd garden]

hmm?

[prisma gust]

They're saying you're the best Mel skull player

[odd garden]

im not even close lol 💀

[prisma gust]

Then who the hell is?

[odd garden]

i played that aspect for 2 62 fear wins, realized i hated playing it and went back to medea and hel

uhhhh idk lol

[prisma gust]

Wait.... HEL?!?!

[odd garden]

ya

hel is my favorite skull

[prisma gust]

Do you hate yourself?

[odd garden]

...no?

[prisma gust]

I'm a Hel hater

[odd garden]

in terms of "best" skull players theres like foolish (medea), boated (parray slop), raijy, and purple (parray slop x2) ig

oh and vyt too

[digital juniper]

i’d argue mechanically vyt might be the best mel skull player

[prisma gust]

A new challenger approaches (hopefully I dunno I might just give ip max fear)

[odd garden]

the main thing that always bothered me with the skulls other than medea and hel are the attack rotations and special utilization being kinda awkward for me

[digital juniper]

alternatively hit the 2 funny hammers in wide grin parray and forego all combos

[prisma gust]

I honestly find Medea kinda awkward

[odd garden]

medea has a very clear bpm that i need to play at and hel just fills me with so much joy despite full knowledge with how weak it is compared to every other skull

[prisma gust]

I'm probably the only person who as she got better started liking Medea less

[odd garden]

same goes for torches, where my favorite 2 are moros and supay with eos probably being my most played now

[prisma gust]

Moros my beloved

[odd garden]

if u wanted any general tips for mel skulls i can give my two cents rq of, attack -> attack -> special repeat, and dash as needed use special to reposition as needed and ggs

[prisma gust]

Well I might actually have a shot honestly

Aftee 62 UW ofc

[odd garden]

by no means do you like need to abide by this at all bc spamming all skulls and collecting can just work out its just slightly less "optimal" ig?

[prisma gust]

SPAMMING IS PEAAAKKKK

I shall be on a quest to become one of the Mel Skull top players

The name Crystal Meth shall be known throughout the lands

[leaden heron]

Medea is good because you can spam X+Y in random directions

[prisma gust]

Medea is overrated

gets assassinated

[leaden heron]

@past salmon

[leaden heron]

Punish this sinner

[prisma gust]

WHY ARE ALL HADES 2 PLAYERS ALSO CELESTE PLAYERS

[leaden heron]

Im not

[prisma gust]

Skill issue

[leaden heron]

I play Pokémon and Monster Hunter and occasionally Minecraft

Reached HR999 on 4U

[keen bluff]

im not

you could never guess what game i play...

[prisma gust]

Anyways uhhhh Foolish is about to murder me to death

[prisma gust]

Cuphead

[leaden heron]

Getting Over It?

[keen bluff]

its my pfp, ig u dont recognize it

[prisma gust]

Ahhh! Hollow Knight!

[leaden heron]

I started Hollow Knight and Silksong but never played again since it didn't feel right

[keen bluff]

pensive

i do love hk tho

[prisma gust]

I may or may not have radiant Hall of Gods

[keen bluff]

nice

i havent played in a long while

[prisma gust]

I'd say it's the game I'm the 3rd best at