h2-builds-and-combat

[surreal hazel]

KAPOW is what shiva does

[scarlet quiver]

Working on it since I haven’t played in a while and have been focusing on completing hades 1 more

[viral yew]

Shiva is one of them, has the highest single hit damage by a lot

[scarlet quiver]

But, what’s shivas max damage in one hit?

[surreal hazel]

errr

[viral yew]

I'm talking hitting for 10-20k is the highest i've seen

[scarlet quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-geto-suguru-gif-8854911802965319870

[surreal hazel]

there's a LOT of +50% you can chuck at it

[scarlet quiver]

What

[viral yew]

Yeah

[scarlet quiver]

This is new inspiration

I must make my moonstone baby better

[surreal hazel]

Worldf collider, crit, chakra collider

[viral yew]

It's not the axe hidden aspect

[surreal hazel]

6 stages of destructiive, or 8 if you get heph legendary

[viral yew]

Ares attack

[surreal hazel]

Origination, furies

[scarlet quiver]

Im aware it’s the black coats

[viral yew]

8 destructive, with crit, all the arcana, everything

[surreal hazel]

pow

[scarlet quiver]

But I must make it better, I will make mel axe the big bonk

[viral yew]

Charon is better lowk

[scarlet quiver]

Yeah

But it’s not brain dead

[viral yew]

Charon is absolutely braindead

[scarlet quiver]

Takes to much thinky

Not enough bashy for me

Me press 1 button then win

Not press 2 and hold 1

I want to press a button once and at least do 1000 damage

That is the true big bonk

[viral yew]

Fair enough

[scarlet quiver]

Later today im gonna do an axe run so I’ll see if I can get some footage or smth idk

[uncut hull]

In general do you think its best to get a hex if you dont plan to go all in on it or do you avoid it if youre not going to focus on it?

[fiery kraken]

I avoid it, but sometimes there's a hammer that uses magic passively and then I'm really happy

some hexes are really good even without upgrades

[viral yew]

I always avoid hexes

If you do really want to build around one then take it, otherwise ignore it, and if you are forced into one, take wolf howl or twilight curse

[tall notch]

I would maybe like Charon more if its start wasn't beyond miserable, I'd rather play Supay than that thing in Erebus

[turbid crescent]

circe is so funnnnn

top 3 aspects ngl

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/cyclops-ryu-dap-me-up-dap-dap-up-gif-2485274535169214603

fr

im killing myself if i don't get a regen halfway through erebus

[zealous crag]

I mean, with a good cardio gain, you could get about 50% uptime. Flood gain could get you slightly higher to ~60% uptime. Higher if you managed to start the phase transition during the cooldown.

[flint widget]

or play born gain and gain 100% uptime with enough magick

[tawny arrow]

does forfeit also turn purchased boons into an onion?

[manic shuttle]

no

[tawny arrow]

awesome sauce

[queen surge]

Did somebody say Charon?

[opaque dew]

Does anyone ever take hecuba over gale in omega heavy builds

[digital juniper]

yes, Hecuba is great for omega heavy builds

[tall notch]

I do

[glacial vapor]

if i wanna get a certain duo boon and have that god as a choice between a hammer and that godw which do i go for

[scarlet quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/peta-farbar-petr-farbar-peter-farbar-gif-15417317830124358582

I have an idea

[surreal hazel]

The hammer will come up again

just take the boon

[undone tapir]

is there a standard speedrunning guide somewhere?

[odd bolt]

https://mobalytics.gg/hades-2/guides/how-to-speedrun

[halcyon forge]

what are fun builds with the black coat that are not full speed with ares?

Like for each aspect and all

[hollow briar]

Mel: Literally anything, but you can pretty easily do a Poseidon run and spam Dash Attacks or go for Hera Specials and just ICBM from across the room
Selene: Lol
Nyx: Special spam, you can go with either on-hits like Pos or Hestia or fool around with Blitz or a high % increase like Apollo if you wanna have big rockets
Shiva: Apollo Attack. That’s about that

[viral yew]

Shiva is double apollo, all other costs are pos exhaust riser

[hollow briar]

Base Coat just has (imo) the highest level of successful variability of any Weapon in the game, to the point where I might try and winstreak 62s with Mel Coat just to like, get good and be able to advocate more for it

[halcyon forge]

what about selene? lol

and thank u !

[viral yew]

Don't play selene

[halcyon forge]

could u elaborate here pls

[viral yew]

Shiva I run apollo attack and apollo special, the best general coat build (imo) is posiedon attack with the exhaust riser hammer

[hollow briar]

Selene is just… well, it’s fun! But it’s pretty bad at higher Fear because the Coat Omegas are overall kinda bad at clearing quickly (in my opinion/experience)

However, going for the Ares Godsent and/or putting % buffs on your Special to get good damage in is a definite strat

[vernal quiver]

I think the speedcord also found out the selene hex for the weapon kinda barely works

[grim current]

Selene's Hex is similar to Zeus' Ring & Rush boon in that it deals some DMG per second to nearby enemies. My problem is that the targeting radius is rather small. I haven't seen how much DMG it deals, but it really doesn't seem like much for how close the player has to be for such a long period of time.

[hollow briar]

I'd believe it

Does rarely like, anything of note and even when it does it's like, man, I would love to be just doing regular moves rn

[grim current]

So Gale's +6 dodge provides more effective than Frinos & Toula while also having 3 barrier uses per region?

[vernal quiver]

Yeah

3 blocks per region means by bosses like chronos you block an 80 damage scythe which is immediately more value than frinos and toula combined

[broken spoke]

Sorry but it block a wail instead

[grim current]

Seems like the only candidates as steadfast familiars are Raki & Gale followed by Hecuba.

[broken spoke]

Well because 3 of the familiar boost survivability ofc people gonna choose the best one

Raki and hecuba do totally different thing

[digital juniper]

toula does have her niche in being the highest damaging familiar, good for things like supay

and frinos has the blocking projectiles thing

[broken spoke]

Eat sheep ball then make cerb ball explode

Equivalent exchange

[flint widget]

how do u play mel coat

i don't like it

only coat i like is nyx

[blazing knot]

Does on hit damage effects like blast, wound, splash etc benefit from the respective attack's damage bonus? Like if i have poseidon on my attack and get some kind of attack damage increase does the splash deal more too?

[viral yew]

No

[digital juniper]

those get buffed by olympian damage sources instead

[umbral horizon]

How does Wounds get buffed as olympian damage?

[vernal quiver]

it doesnt, wounds is like any other % scaling boon that goes off of the base of the given weapon attack, just the wounds application only adds 50 power to the hit

wounds being in the example list from akito is an oversight im assuming since its just a normal % scaler

[umbral horizon]

Oh it makes sense

I have question about a boon "Fourth Degree". If wounds doesnt count as olympian damage. So the extra buff just boost the base power? (Glowing coal or Control Burn)

[vernal quiver]

yeah it lets the fireballs inflict wounds with a +250 instead of just +50 like his normal attack and special do

wounds is just a flat power value that nothing changes since thats the very start of the calculation

[digital juniper]

wounds is weird, the wound effect does benefit from olympian damage somehow, but also from base weapon damage

either Hippo or Plasma dragon have a write up on it somewhere

[vernal quiver]

oh really?? thats sick, a bit unintuitive but still really cool

[digital juniper]

#1218621088049659930 message it’s even more unintuitive than you’d think at first haha

[vernal quiver]

lmfao thats silly

[oblique hazel]

every mel aspect has cleared max fear but torches

who will be the one to finish it off...

my incredible return to the h2 high fear community will be a mel torches 67f clear on EVERYONES souls

[digital juniper]

no one is willing to do it so far

[oblique hazel]

i will carry the torch...

[digital juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[oblique hazel]

ive been messing around with mel torches and i think im gonna grind out a 62 with them at least

just hit hidden helix and the game is free

[digital juniper]

at 67 it’s said that not even that is enough to make it bearable enough

[surreal hazel]

Nope. +300

It's wounds plus 250 damage

And the glowing coal fireball itself is both olympian and cast damage and benefits from both

Controlled burn is merely olympian

[devout yarrow]

that's actually quite good

unfortunately its ares on the other side

[surreal hazel]

It's like tipsy shot levels of pain in a much nicer projectile

[devout yarrow]

they really screw with the dio tipsy shot

it takes 1 milenium to drop

[surreal hazel]

The main issue with the duo is getting it for controlled burn when you have vicious flourish already

[surreal hazel]

600 power at epic is nothing to sneeze at though. Might as well call it a typhon killer

[broken spoke]

The dmg is funnily high

[devout yarrow]

well yeah thats pretty much the only thing you'll hit

[surreal hazel]

Press B to do 1000 damage is lulzy

[devout yarrow]

also did they buff nergal power on 1.0, only started playing recently and it's doing more than I remember

[flint widget]

nah

[umbral horizon]

So all Wounds and Glowing Coal are olympian damage, if i have Rallying Cry, how do they get buff?

[surreal hazel]

Oh yes

[surreal hazel]

Press cast to perform an instant total eclipse

[devout yarrow]

you know I just remember how stinky coat hammers are

[surreal hazel]

You take that back

There's only a couple of stinkers

Mooncrest riser being the smelliest

[devout yarrow]

comparatively though the improvement from most is very small

[surreal hazel]

Shimmering rockets is great

Reaper, rapid and siege frame are great

Exhaust riser is lulzy good

[broken spoke]

Simmering is pure insane run become extremely smooth after getting that

[surreal hazel]

Ripper needs some understanding of how it works. Furious rockets is being coy about how it actually works

Because furious rockets does three things and the description is lying to you about one of them and omits the third

You know how with the special, even if you use autofire there's a delay between each launch where you can't fire but can still do other stuff?

Furious halves that

It makes the launch animation itself 5 times as quick

And it adds 50% more rocket speed and turning rate

Only the last one really affects oSpecial

[devout yarrow]

oh ok

[surreal hazel]

Ripper basically adds a stacking hidden debuff on an enemy that adds 5 power to each rocket (up to +25) but that debuff clears if no rocket hits it within a full second

So it can really add up with nyx nightspawns

It doesn't care what sort of rocket hits to reset that timer

(Base rocket power is also 25)

[blazing knot]

For wound, splash, zeus's status effect thing, and stuff like circe's leash and morrigan's blood trial dmg, do they get affected by global dmg bonus?

[vernal quiver]

Everything but morrigan yes

Blood triad is a static number, but every other source of damage will be affected by global modifiers

[flint widget]

5:11 with mel skull on second attempt with parray 🔥

[scarlet ferry]

How does the Apollo + Zeus duo work with Charon axe?

[silent crow]

it dont

[scarlet ferry]

dang

[silent crow]

pretty cool

[grim current]

It wasn't too hard to unequip Excellence for my Fates' Whim builds.

I need help removing Excellence from my Change of Fate buildm

[surreal hazel]

Origination

[grim current]

I already have Origination.

I would like to equip Boatman for Excellence, but I too fiercely covet __>__Rare boons.

[alpine raft]

it helps a lot less than you think, just go boatman

[surreal hazel]

Take boatman to get the rerolls

[stable herald]

Yeah the whole reroll corner is one of the most important things to spend grasp on if you're not doing Fates' Whim

If you are, I'd still skip Excellence

[odd bolt]

A boon being rare rather than common almost makes no difference a lot of the times

[alpine raft]

and who even wants a dice build these days

[oblique hazel]

lwk unless youre playing with the vow of debt its honestly fine to run excellence over boatman imo , you end up with enough money for shops most of the time without it. excellence is generally a little worse but not by enough for it to be significant outside of high fear

and blue boons are cool

[surreal hazel]

You don't get the fates without boatman

[oblique hazel]

oh i misread lol i thought this was for fates whim

yeah 3 rerolls are worth dropping excellence for

[grim current]

B-b-b-but I don't have Calling Card to rarify Hermes boons!

[grim current]

Yes, but for my Change of Fates build (which means I'm also able to equip Olympian-summoning trinkets), I only equip Champions. I used to equip the Fates, but the Grasp cost was too great if I wanted to equip Origination too.

[surreal hazel]

Then drop excellence! It's a bad deal

[grim current]

B-b-b-but I don't have Calling Card to rarify Hermes boons!

[fiery kraken]

calling card is actually the weakest of the FW keepsakes

[grim current]

I know. I was taught to play Jeweled Pom first.

[fiery kraken]

jpom into chlorex makes a sufficient start for underworld

[grim current]

Like I said, it wasn't too hard to forego Excellence in my Fates' Whim runs.

[fiery kraken]

got it

I misunderstood your comment. I thought you were saying you didn't want FW because you didn't have calling card

[grim current]

I just want to be convinced to forego Excellence for my Change of Fate build.

I so fiercely covet __>__rare boons.

[fiery kraken]

if it's working for you and you're having fun, have at it

[surreal hazel]

I think you need a detox

More boons is better than fewer rarer ones

[grim current]

I usually try to get both by fishing out Buried Treasure.

-# (Geddit?)

[digital juniper]

but you need to consider the opportunity cost of getting buried treasure

[halcyon forge]

Going for Apollo medea run, which should I take should I go Volatile Array, Looming Ignition or Bolstered Array

[digital juniper]

i’d go Volatile

Looming on medea is pretty good because it makes your attack’s explosion decently bigger than base, but with apollo attack it doesn’t increase it much more

bolstered is useless on medea

[opaque dew]

Air quality is good or bad? I hear people say it sucks cuz theres barely anything that does less than 50

I go for it if im running the static electricty boon and any gusts

[halcyon forge]

I guess it works w support fire, static shock low rarity and level

Demeter gusts, cast

[digital juniper]

yeah it’s kinda not great unless you have the boons that works well with it, then it suddenly becomes very good

[opaque dew]

I dont aim for it but if i have gusts anywhere i just consider it a damage boon

[digital juniper]

that’s a really good way to look it at yeah

[opaque dew]

And its better than most of my other options at that for the pick

[viral yew]

Yeah air quality does really really well when it works but is otherwise useless

Things like prominence flare, meat grinder, static shock, gusts, leash are amazing with it

[opaque dew]

Well good to know its not that niche lol

[broken spoke]

Although most of the time just static shock and gust

[halcyon forge]

what does exactly mean that your Omega moves are faster?

does that also apply to the channeling?

[broken spoke]

It apply to channeling

[halcyon forge]

jokes on everyone who shat on selene

just had a very fun run with it

Omega attck

Sadly it was low fear

[haughty bear]

I think I like the Charon Axe more than the Thanatos Axe now. This is the aspect that has grown the most on me

[digital juniper]

you have to keep in mind that the game is very very well balanced at anything that’s not high fear (50+ or hell maybe even 62+)

so as long as you’re playing to have fun you can play with anything in the game and do well

[tall notch]

I'm sorry to hear you had to use coat omega attack 😔

I hope you get better soon

[slim plover]

so i wonder if its possible to abuse aphrodites flourish boon since with a singular pom on it at heroic it gives +300% bonus damage, i feel like this could be really strong with skull, either medea or hel (obviously getting island getaway so that distance isnt a factor)

[digital juniper]

with colossus driver on medea special it’s very strong

and island getaway doesn’t matter because you’re point blank with medea

[slim plover]

yea island getaway moreso for hel

but also the +15% DR is kinda nice icl

[digital juniper]

ehhh hel has low base power so you’re probably gonna get more value out of poseidon/scorch/blitz attack

[slim plover]

probably, trying out medea aphro flourish right now but i cant really get a good start, i get her heroic flourish but im also trying to fish for a good chaos flourish boon and artemis and its just not panning out very well

artemis for the crit chance on special

[spark crown]

My 60f grind is on hold for a whole month due to issues

(not going into it)

But I need to brainstorm ideas for my return

[slim plover]

okay twin

listen to me

vow of void 3 judgement and strength

[spark crown]

PEAK

[slim plover]

ares attack boon hestia special boon aphro cast

heph dash

[spark crown]

I run this to with build chat

[slim plover]

mel daggers

[spark crown]

EWWWW

Mel daggers

[slim plover]

trust twin

its op comp build

[spark crown]

What if morrigan over mel

[slim plover]

i got 150 hours on the game you can trust me ive beaten 24f

[spark crown]

I've got 460hrs and have only cleared 32f XD

[slim plover]

yea im tryna clear 32 rn

[spark crown]

Hmmmmm I trust I'll try this

[slim plover]

not going so well but mostly cause im goofing around

[slim plover]

naw but actually on the real though what kind of playstyle do you have

do you like actually try dodging or do you prefer just facetanking and hoping you got more hp than the enemies

[spark crown]

Morrigan final slice Apollo attack is fav and Eos torch go brrr

I do try to dodge but end up facetanking against my will

[opaque dew]

Real

[slim plover]

what you could do is run a build i beat 24f with but idk if it will work with the one vow that makes you banish boons that you dont pick, but you can get like 80% damage reduction in a run

[spark crown]

Doubled against Medea and poly

[opaque dew]

2x frenzy has made some things so difficult lmao

[spark crown]

Frenzy is easy XD

[opaque dew]

???

[spark crown]

Way i learned to deal with it was jump straight into 60r then jump back

[opaque dew]

Theres definitely things i cant dodge at that rate

[slim plover]

if you have than axe and the one hammer upgrade that gives +20 power and +20% DR when attacking, island getaway for 15% DR, 45% or so DR from weak plus weak buff boon which is constantly applied due to glamour gain and island getaway, strength for +40% DR and something more probably im not thinking of

[spark crown]

But it genuinely makes the game easier and runs faster to have frenzy

[slim plover]

frenzy is more like a turn it on and forget you have it active vow

in my opinion

[opaque dew]

I will also say ive only had frenzy on for like 3 days lol

[slim plover]

some situations do become inevitably harder because of frenzy but its really not that common

and most of the time you dont even realise you're playing with frenzy

[spark crown]

What fear are you starting frenzy with

[opaque dew]

I went from 24 to 32 with frenzy active

24 was non frenzy

[spark crown]

Try frenzy with just rivals for a few runs

Get used to the speed without other buffs

[opaque dew]

Im consistently clearing 32f now

I do get hit a lot more now tho

NOT in normal fights… the rivals bosses tho like….

[spark crown]

And if you are really struggling with projectile speed Hermes and Demeter gusts are your best friend

[slim plover]

poly and medea is literally just the boss you want to be over quickly but you can barely get hits in because the whole fight is a poison minefield

[spark crown]

Rivals poly is my bane

[slim plover]

honestly overworld rivals bosses are harder

in my opinion

no wait other way around mb

[opaque dew]

Scylla would like to have a word

[spark crown]

https://imgur.com/Zyz697B

[spark crown]

Nah Scylla is nothing

[slim plover]

yea notice how zagreus is nearly at the top btw

unfair bossfight

[spark crown]

Frenzy pain surface is different beast /ref

[slim plover]

literally why i never fight him hes so hard and you get nothing out of it

[spark crown]

Unaffected by most vows tho which is good

[slim plover]

yea but you get nothing out of that fight

[spark crown]

Free isn't nothing

[opaque dew]

Iyou either just kite him with special and die with the timer

[slim plover]

free what??? free blushing

[digital juniper]

heroes at easy is CRAZY work

[opaque dew]

Or you try to actually fight him and lose all your 3 dds in a row

[spark crown]

Need to swap eris with poly

[slim plover]

rivals eris is just also a minefield

oh

[spark crown]

THIS IS AUSSIE TARGETED RACISM DYNO

[slim plover]

ig but bro half the time the rewards are dookie

[spark crown]

I have little issues with them as I focus heracles then just do prom like normal

[digital juniper]

at what fear have you faced em?

[spark crown]

32f

[digital juniper]

that makes sense

[spark crown]

Max pain

[digital juniper]

they’re a PITA when you have pain and grit

with grit they have like 100k combined HP

[spark crown]

Knuckle bones hitch go brrrrr

Passed the hero's just to be killed by the air in babality

[slim plover]

heros fight is just annoying cause they deal so high damage and i usually cant be asked to dodge their attacks so i just facetank 60 damage in one attack and complain about it when it was the easiest thing to dodge ever

tbf in my opinion prometheus is already pretty hard heracles doesn't make the fight much harder

[spark crown]

If I don't kill Heracles first he tends to stun me during memory

[odd bolt]

Rivals eris top 3 huh

[spark crown]

She's dropping down

I passed 60f rivals eris with ease compared to poly

[odd bolt]

[spark crown]

Poly full kills me 2/10 times eris full kills me 1/15

Tho Medea is ABSOLUTELY carrying poly ngl

[slim plover]

yes literally

[odd bolt]

I think rivals poly is so easy

[opaque dew]

I find it interesting how the rankings are so different than mine, i would put scylla poly and prom at the top (barring the fact that I havent played rivals for chronos or typhon)

[odd bolt]

Even when you compare to rivals hec

[spark crown]

Other then when poly drops 7rocks on my head and somehow double hits me with it

[opaque dew]

The poison is a pain and you dont have a good build yet

[spark crown]

Rivals hec is a pain for me cuz I cant deal with the less boons

[odd bolt]

Just don't attack when he does the counter

[opaque dew]

On some weapons hes easy… on axe tho or skull im kinda fighting for my life tho

[odd bolt]

That's the thing you're supposed to have a good build out of ephyra

Even if you're playing with forfeit and denial and other stuff

[spark crown]

90% Eos auto triggers counter

[opaque dew]

Im just bad then i guess 😩

[odd bolt]

Ah

It's still not that hard to dodge if you're far enough from him

[slim plover]

how rare is it to get a chaos gate in the first room

[spark crown]

And he always does it at inconvenient times when I'm running morrigan

[spark crown]

Same rarity as any other room iirc

[slim plover]

whats that rarity then

[odd bolt]

Do you mean on surface?

[slim plover]

underworld

[odd bolt]

Chaos is rarer on surface

[spark crown]

Uhhhhh I get it in like 1/50 maybe 1/25 uw and maybe 1/75 on surface

[odd bolt]

I have no clue about the numbers

One thing I'm almost sure exists but can't prove it is if you pick a chaos gate you increase the probability of further chaos gates appearing

[slim plover]

i got like 3 chaos gates in 2 regions one time, 1 in erebus and 2 in oceanus

[slim plover]

this is so real

[odd bolt]

Even if technically chaos isn't part of your pool

Idk if this is true tho

[slim plover]

feels true

[spark crown]

Still can never roll chaos healing first room on surface and it's starting to hurt my feelings cuz I love chaos' whole vibe but it's not worth on 60f

[odd bolt]

I never take chaos on surface

[spark crown]

Chaos is not part of the pool just like hermes

[slim plover]

does chaos healing even work with max vow of scars

[odd bolt]

Yes

[spark crown]

I do if next room is a hex or gambling

[slim plover]

thats actually insane

[spark crown]

Unaffected cuz chaos is chaos

[slim plover]

chaos is so goated

[odd bolt]

If next room is a hex I'm undoing night

[spark crown]

Iirc chaos is also unaffected by denial

[digital juniper]

wait huh

[odd bolt]

Cause they can only show up like c1 of ephyra or olympus

[spark crown]

I only ever get hex if I start with a good hammer

[opaque dew]

Do people fully spec into their hexes or just leave it at 1

[odd bolt]

Again I don't know for sure but I feel like the more chaos gates you pick the more it shows up

[opaque dew]

For stuff like the slowdown

[flint widget]

nah

[spark crown]

HEXES ARE DOGWATER

[flint widget]

twilight curse is the goat tho

[digital juniper]

i don’t recall anything like that in the code

[spark crown]

Except Twilight curse and the enemy revive one

[odd bolt]

makes sense

[slim plover]

night bloom gotta be one of best hexes icl

[odd bolt]

But I swear to God it feels like that

[opaque dew]

I like the wolf crash one

Cheap

Idk if its worth speccing into tho

Or if any hexes really are

[digital juniper]

some of them are worth it

[spark crown]

I never forcefully spec into hexes unless I have hera on night bloom run

[slim plover]

especially if you get the right tree for night bloom hera

the upgrade that makes it so the summoned enemy isn't on a timer but just lasts untill they die

[digital juniper]

godsent dark side is good dps, twilight curse is very good at base but can be specced into decent boss damage with the right nodes, godsent total explode is crazy against rival sirens, good room clear, godsent meme beam can be a panic armor button or big damage with trinity and the auto firing one

and ofc godsent night bloom with the right nodes as you guy mentioned yeah

[opaque dew]

So not the full path but some trees are worth it?

I like the moon beam with autoaiming its just free dps

[slim plover]

moon beam feels kinda weak imo though and not worth taking over other hexes generally

[digital juniper]

yeah sometimes if you don’t get the right blue nodes it isn’t very worth it

[spark crown]

Moon beam auto aim gives you a armour panic button

[slim plover]

rivals hecate is harder than regular chronos i cant even lie

[spark crown]

I'm ngl you ain't wrong

[slim plover]

🤾

[flint widget]

yo what

https://tenor.com/view/i-didnt-need-to-know-that-too-much-information-annoyed-smh-why-god-gif-15139857

[spark crown]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-side-eye-gif-5016118126108679217

Didn't need that in my notifications

[slim plover]

Mb all

[keen bluff]

anyone got a reliable hex tier list

[slim plover]

just dont bother getting most hexes other than godsent night bloom and maybe a few others ask other people but most hexes arent that good

[vernal quiver]

uhhhh wolf howl, twilight curse, moonwater if no scars, night bloom is good, but everything else takes some steep investment to be worth it

but even then lowkey i avoid selene more often than not

[tall notch]

Other hexes become an option on weapons that spam magick, honestly phase shift and dark side are slept on

[surreal hazel]

Phase shift is anti speedtun but fine otherwise even without boosts

Tremor on wolf howl is slept on because it's confusing as hell

[viral yew]

Never take hexes

[viral yew]

Solid list

I'd put phase shift and dark side in D tho

And eclipse in B

[vernal quiver]

shoutout supergiant letting hecate have moves with hitboxes the size of small countries while looking like a pea 🙏

[opaque dew]

Ok persephone skull is my new fav weapon

I never thought i would play anything other than mel staff and feel good about it but this ones crazy

[umbral horizon]

Is this list for high fear? I think Moon Water is also good without vow of scars. Usually take it and Twilight Curse

[viral yew]

In general

Also probably personal opinion

[manic shuttle]

high fear yes, moon water becomes useless

[digital juniper]

ehh it’s slept on lowkey

it has some solid nodes even with max scars

[surreal hazel]

But it's a dead draw until the first path and you have no idea in advance what tree you'll get

I also have a new soft spot for nexus rush tremor hex builds

[narrow steeple]

Every time I use dark side.. even when the path is basically full.. the damage is underwhelming, at best.. a complete waste of time at worst. Even with aphro's godsent

[austere trail]

yeah its main draw is the invuln I think

[surreal hazel]

You need one of the trio sanctity, resonance or splendor and with good supporting boons

Winner's circle and lightning lance on sanctity,

Resonance loves scorch or wave strike

Splendor (which is now blue instead of purple in 1.0? Lol) needs blitz or hitch

Ah yes, splendor and horror swapped over. Horris is good so yeah

[dry parrot]

I wanna use the staff bc I’ve been milking the twin flames and the axe

Rlly struggling tho. Yall help pls

[flint widget]

dash strike into special

that's it

if ur using circe get a good cast boon like hestia or zeus

[sudden spade]

what's best to spam between the omega attack and the basic attack combo on nergal when bersek is active ?

[surreal hazel]

Omega attack all the time

[serene wagon]

What’s the best way to use the skull? I keep seeing people say it’s the best weapon but I have no idea what’s so special about it

Am I just doing it wrong or is there specific boons needed?

[flint widget]

what aspect are u using

[serene wagon]

I have the base aspects and the aspect of Medea

[flint widget]

the reason why people think skull is so strong

is cuz possessed array exists

and mel skull and medea at base have high dmg

like on medea at rank v

u have innate 90% attack and special dmg increase

that's op

[surreal hazel]

Medea is press attack once, press special. Repeat

[flint widget]

it's highly unsafe but is probably the highest damaging aspect in the game

[odd bolt]

How are you building them?

[flint widget]

only mel skull can rival it (with possessed array) cuz of its innate +12 power every shell missing

[surreal hazel]

Those glory days for one patch when it was +20 power and an extra shell

[serene wagon]

I went Zeus the first time I used it because I never used his keepsake before, then when I unlocked the aspect of Medea I used the Hephaestus keepsake for bigger boom

And I’ve done a few other runs using non god specific keepsakes

[flint widget]

do u want simple builds for skull or do u wanna figure it out yourself

[serene wagon]

I’d be grateful if you could just point in the right direction

[flint widget]

do u want to use mel skull or medea

[serene wagon]

Specific arcana and gods to focus on mainly

[serene wagon]

I like playing around with the aspects so whichever

[flint widget]

ok so imma go with medea cuz im a medea specialist

ok so for the gods

[surreal hazel]

I mean zeus ain't wrong

[flint widget]

literally anything can work with medea but i recommend

for the attack u want a god that can apply a curse and is a % boon

for the special it's really only just two choices: zeus and aphro

well not really but rest are kinda eh

cast is literally just anything u want but i prefer something that applies a curse

and then sprint is just apollo sprint

medea doesn't really want a gain unless u have possessed array in which case u want a regen that regens quickly

for the arcana

i would recommend this:
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTYiLCJjMTciLCJjMjAiLCJjMjEiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjQiXQ==

if u want more dmg instead of safety replace persistence for huntress and death for strength

[odd bolt]

yeah medea 2 random curses and youre good tbh

[flint widget]

exactly

literally anything can work with medea

[tiny oar]

what vows can i use to slightly increase the difficulty of the game for a little bit of challenge?

[vernal quiver]

Debt, shadow, menace, hubris, and timer are all super easy and light

Denial changes how you choose boons, I think its fun but takes some getting used to

[tiny oar]

is there any other vows without debuffing mel

[vernal quiver]

Is there a specific fear your aiming for

Also a lot of the vows that affect mel are gonna be easier than say pain/grit/hoards/scars

You avoid pain/grit/hoards/scars/void until like 45+

[tiny oar]

I'm not aiming for a fear record I'm just aiming to make the game more difficult as i progress to keep a little bit of challenge

for example I'm using rivals

[vernal quiver]

Frenzy or fangs then ig

Fangs2 is pretty easy as long as hoards isnt on, and frenzy2 is easy once you get used to it

[tiny oar]

ty

[bright spruce]

should i use hestia boom or apollo boon for anubis

[vernal quiver]

Hestia

Anubis attack is stronger with on hit effects

[bright spruce]

should i go on fates whim or lock in hestia

[vernal quiver]

Im a big fates whim enjoyer since it lets anything work super well

[fiery kraken]

for the artemis boon that gives crit chance for 80% health or 80% armor, is it implied that if they are at 100% health and 20% armor there's no added crit chance? as written, I would expect that case to still have the added crit chance, but it doesn't make sense to also say the 80% armor then

[fiery kraken]

why would you want apollo sprint? Isn't most of your movement just the dash-special combination so you'd rather something that does something on dash?

[digital juniper]

daze good and a very consistent applicator of it

ok that was worded badly. Daze is a good status effect and apollo’s sprint is a very consistent applicator of it

[fiery kraken]

how long after a dash do you get the daze proc?

i guess if you're just holding it for an instant

[opal pecan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m06dqS6kApc looks like I got some watch material queued up

I didn't even go lookin.... I was messin with my YT settings and saw it randomly....

"esc I thought you were done playing H2 cos u ran out of stuff you can actually do" yeah but I can still watch other people be cool 😎

[serene wagon]

Thanks a million

[frank siren]

I used to avoid apollo sprint til I realized its the best sprint. Gives actual movement speed boost and applies daze for origination

[fiery kraken]

I"m just wondering if it's still applicable for skull since the movement is less dash->sprint but dash-special

[odd bolt]

The range for blinding rush is very big

And daze is really good, also sprint speed helps evading specific stuff easier

Daze also lasts a whole 9 seconds

[mystic mango]

I love getting blitz on Anubis with the boon that makes omegas instantly activate it

#h2-victory-boasting message

Not a fast run but a really fun one since I also had the Hestia-Zeus duo and Hestia-Aphrodite duo with Pyro Technique at Heroic and lvl 4

Had one run where I got blitz with king’s ransom and heroic at lvl 20 or so lol

Some 800 damage per blitz

[halcyon forge]

What are cool Medea builds

[odd bolt]

Hera attack Zeus special

Or ares attack

For lower fears any 2 curses pretty much work tbh

Aphro special is really good if you get the hammer colossus driver

Bear hammer in general is possessed array but you need a good mana regen

[halcyon forge]

what's the actual difference between higher rarity boons and a high level common boon?

[opal pecan]

Higher rarity typically makes each upgrade level "worth" more

I was linked to this spreadsheet laying out how attack/special boons specifically benefit from either/both

[loud moat]

Hey hey, looking for some help brainstorming how to make the Hera/Hestia duo boon incandescent aura kinda viable/fun to build around.

Been toying around with Torches, special to apply hitch continuously.

I’m struggling to figure out which magic boon would then be best for damage. Any ideas? I have some but want some options

[viral yew]

Either born gain or cardio gain

Lucid might work

[loud moat]

Glamour Gain - Passive regen, around 30 damage a second at base, but need to have empty magic

[viral yew]

Yeah glamour and tranquil would be buns

[loud moat]

Lucid seems interesting. A strict “have no magic, now you do” kind of boon

[viral yew]

Lucid is easily top 3 gains

[loud moat]

Just flat 200 (500% of 40) every time your cast expires

[viral yew]

Yeah i mean incandescent is never going to be that good but you can probably buff it to 400-500 per cast

[loud moat]

Something like Ionic gain, with an enormous mana pool (300+) could be a cool nuke

1500 flat damage every X seconds

If you’re regening from 0

[viral yew]

Wouldn't work very well cause you can't control where it activates

[loud moat]

I guess you get the same thing from Tranquil

[viral yew]

Doesn't have the light smite radius

[loud moat]

It procs on anyone with hitch right?

[viral yew]

Nah that'll probably be the worst, it'll be 1 damage every 0.2 seconds

[viral yew]

Oh is it anyone with hitch?

[silent crow]

tjink of it as x magic every 3 seconds

[loud moat]

Yea. Aura harms enemies who have hitch for 500% of mana gained

[viral yew]

Right

[loud moat]

So 5 times whatever your regen is is applied as damage to hitched foes

[viral yew]

I reckon you'd be best off with born or lucid

Cardio would be fine

[loud moat]

Yea, with born I end up killing enemies before they’re affected by aura

I know, a problem to have. I just want to find the niche where aura is the damage dealer

[viral yew]

Problem is it's not much damage either way

[silent crow]

whiff omega moves

[loud moat]

Yeaaaa. Kinda stinks it’s more of a supplemental boon

[viral yew]

Alot of duos are like that

[loud moat]

lol play worse to regen magic and do damage. That’s a thought

[viral yew]

'Do less damage to somehow deal less damage'

[silent crow]

most boons should be supplemental itd be silly if every boon could kill everything

[opaque dew]

thought's on hel skull?

[loud moat]

Some are super fun. I know people rag on Ares but duos with Heph and Apollo for swords is super fun. Especially with omega special torches

[loud moat]

Great. Grab Hitch best in slot for special, then either Hestia/Posidon for attack, or a flat damage increase.

Magic regen to keep omega special going and you’re golden

Blitz isn’t half bad either for special.

[loud moat]

True. I just wish it was a little more engaging is all. The damage is a pittance and kinda hard o make work well

[viral yew]

Horrible

[grim current]

Uncanny Fortitude counts Primed Magick, yes?

[spiral wadi]

ye

basically max magic regardless of prime

[verbal island]

I HATE using the skull so much, but the Aspect of Hel? Oh my god, I finally get it..

[grim current]

I suppose you favor the Adamant Rail back in Hades 1?

[verbal island]

I hated that weapon with a burning passion lmao, but having no ammo for skull is amazing

special seeks enemies too

cinema

[opaque dew]

after playing with it a bit, persephone is still my fav

[verbal island]

Persephone is amazing too!!

[opaque dew]

medea is strong but anything past low ish fear... im bad lmao

and i think persephone's gameplay loop is more fun (also i cleared charybdis so fast which was crazy

I just had a run with max dash and attack hephastus boons and hitch on special and it just cleared everything

[grim current]

Oh? I thought people would dislike the Adamant Rail when the player can't move whilst shooting.

[spark crown]

You are just bad :)

[viral yew]

Better than you

[spark crown]

Debatable

[viral yew]

Not really

[spark crown]

Your tips are better suited for #h2-for-new-players rather than here :)

:P

(so I don't get nuked by a mod this is a joke)

[grim current]

Crowshaw didn't like the Admant Rail either. Personally, it's a favorite of mine.

[flint widget]

adamant rail is my goat hades 1 weapon

meanwhile i hated spear

[spark crown]

Weakest weapon h1 was definitely spear

[grim current]

The Spear was my favorite before gravitating towards the Adamant Rail & Heart-Seeking Bow.

Or rather, what Dark Thirst was gravitating towards.

[digital juniper]

me when i have bad opinions

[flint widget]

what

tbf i only played h1 until credits then dipped

[digital juniper]

rail is a bunch of mid

and no one is allowed to have a different opinion than mine

[flint widget]

ok finally recorded anubis 62f

sub 15 woohoo

[vital otter]

dang i can do cerb on max haste hp damage and time but now its time to learn chronos are you supposed to be more patient in the second phase? cause i really dont want him to heal back

rivals ofc

[vernal quiver]

depends on the build and if you have dissent

if youre dealing enough damage(antler stuff) then you can ignore the hourglasses entierly, but if you dont then you should probably take care of them

also chronos fundamentally is a very "your turn his turn" kinda fight so you do kinda have to be patient fundamentally

[vital otter]

im always running the melinoe axe or nergal axe so i do a million damage but im getting hit with a lot of shi ngl

[flint widget]

my advice to u is

learn the fight with the simplest weapon of them all

[vital otter]

staff

[flint widget]

exactly

staff is probably the best weapon in the game due to how simple yet versatile it is

[vital otter]

yeah imma have to run it back eventually cause idk today i just felt like i got significantly better but that fight is wack (in a good way)

[flint widget]

also i think boated has a rivals fight guide ill go get it

https://youtu.be/WdZuBGv7WKE

[surreal hazel]

And its ridiculous hammers

[spark crown]

My tip for you is don't listen to anyone and do what you want /hj

[vital otter]

i i mean its just the chronos fight really for now prob gonna bump down the damage and remove the time limit to practice the moveset and the axe is prob one of the harder weapons cause the high frame attacks

i will watch that guide though

[flint widget]

just did charon 62f

601 dmg taken to chronos 💀

im not uploading the vod for this clear

[unreal rose]

do it

[flint widget]

nah

[copper stag]

What aspect is the best on sister blades and what gods should I go for? Trying to beat chronos with each weapon and I never use the blades

[viral yew]

Hidden

[vernal quiver]

Morrigan or mel tend to be the best, morrigan you either do final slice big% boon stuff or blitz/hitch triad stuff, and mel blades iirc its a blitz/hitch bot with some on hit mixed in if you cant get that going

[copper stag]

I haven’t unlocked hidden yet

[viral yew]

Mel then

[copper stag]

Arti hasn’t given me the dialogue

Is Zeus just like the go to for every weapon?

Blitz on attack and hitch on special? What’s bot ? lol

[viral yew]

Pretty much anything except charon works yeah lmfao

[sacred storm]

It's hard to go wrong with blitz, yeah

[copper stag]

You know what’s funny, Charon is my favorite aspect

I know people hate it

[flint widget]

wdym hate

[copper stag]

I feel like people say it’s too slow and that it leaves you open to hits

But I find it fun

[vernal quiver]

It's a great weapon until you hit 62+ fear

Which not everyone is doing

[copper stag]

The one time I got the hammer that fires your special twice and exceptional talent

Oh my god, I was in heaven

[viral yew]

Really funny cause malkin did it first try with charon

[vital otter]

is 67 the max max

[viral yew]

Ye

[vital otter]

damn ok

no healing and onion boons sound super cringe

[flint widget]

its not when u get used to it

[vernal quiver]

The cringe part is no arcana

[flint widget]

exactly

[vital otter]

yeah that tooo

[copper stag]

It’s just too hard

[vernal quiver]

No arcana actually completely warps the game

[vital otter]

no arcana after using arcana the ENTIRE game lmao

[vernal quiver]

My pb is chronos p3 so 🥀

[flint widget]

youll get there someday

[vernal quiver]

☹️

Should've been last week 🥀

It is insane how much just losing originationnand furies warps how you have to play

No death/lovers is fine just dont be stupid, but your damage gets so shafted

[vital otter]

dang i wanna try it now the damage is the worse part

[vernal quiver]

What's ur current fear pb

[vital otter]

for me its 34 but thats without any rivals

cause i didnt have all the rivals unlocked

and i was using artemis blades

[viral yew]

I'm betting you'll die 2nd room erebus

[vernal quiver]

Ill be generous and say midboss

[vital otter]

imma hop on real quick

[flint widget]

at least cheese has the spirit 🥀

[vital otter]

im rocking the 56 with melinoe axe first attempt

[viral yew]

This should be fun

[vital otter]

no arcana rip

[viral yew]

56?

Oh ur doing void with other things off

[vital otter]

bruh the shields

sound so bleh

[frank siren]

Fresh file has no arcana and js also a good challenge but not as hard as 67

[vernal quiver]

Fresh file is free asf

[vital otter]

nvm im just going to try 67

[vernal quiver]

Frenzy0, no timer, no hoards?? God i wish

[viral yew]

Fresh file is boringly easy

[frank siren]

Emphasis on the not as hard

How about fresh file but take the Eris debuff after erebus bwahaha

[flint widget]

wheres ur clear then

[vernal quiver]

Just dont get hit 🥀

Ive done it twice and I think one got the debuff into fields and the other into tart

[viral yew]

Did one ages ago

[viral yew]

I did, no clue how to avoid it and still take fountain

[flint widget]

u avoid it by exiting a region with 30% hp or less

[viral yew]

I know

How do I work that around fountain

[frank siren]

Beat hecate at 30% health

Or less

[vernal quiver]

Fountain is a 20% heal

So just leave with 30% or less

[frank siren]

Time to submit fresh file speedruns then eh?

[viral yew]

I did that

I was way below that

She still showed up

[flint widget]

interesting

[vital otter]

yeah nah the little blue shields make it so annoying sheesh

[viral yew]

I distinctly remember leaving hecate at 5/120 health and eris still showing up

[viral yew]

Wards moment

[flint widget]

what patch did u do ur clear

[vernal quiver]

how tf did you get 120 did you get a gazillion hearts

[viral yew]

Yeah

[vernal quiver]

that doesnt make sense either mels base is 30 😭

[viral yew]

Ok maybe it wasn't 120

But it was around that

[flint widget]

probably 125

since hearts make u gain 25 hp

but still tho

so many hearts exiting erebus wtf

[vernal quiver]

thats not how you do math twin, 3 hearts is 105 4 is 130

since the 30 base

unless you got aphro in the pool with her max hp boon or smth

[viral yew]

It was either 105 or 130

I took as many hearts as possible

[flint widget]

tbh the real challenge of fresh file isnt clearing it

it's just getting faster times with each clear

[vernal quiver]

give me beach ball room 3 or give me death

or is it more like room4/5 is the earliest you can get it

[flint widget]

it's not possible

i don't think so

i think the earliest u can get it is midshop

[vital otter]

xD cant even get my first boon without getting mauled i got lucky cause the hammer at the start but that might be the strat for the axe at least instead of the jewl paum

[vernal quiver]

the max fear axe strat is hit dashing heave and gigaros room1

otherwise its a reset

[vital otter]

what a balanced difficulty

[viral yew]

It's not balanced, that's the point

[vital otter]

i mean when i think of max difficulty in like any other roguelike you can use multiple strats that are viable but this lowkey just

[vernal quiver]

tbf you also tried axe

staff for example is a lot more flexible for 67, and by a lot i mean just get gigaros from jpom at minimum then hope you get a build quick

most skulls that arent hel are also really strong and flexible

i think some of the knife clears dont get tk?? which is easily the best route but like you can make non-tk work

[vital otter]

yeah thats the thing i dont find a lot of those weapons fun really i only like the melee weapons so them being garbage is kinda disheartening but it is an optional difficulty so it doesnt affect overral enjoyment

[viral yew]

No weapons are garbage

[vital otter]

garbage for that level of fear yeah

[viral yew]

Except for maybe 67f torches

[viral yew]

Every mel aspect has a 67f clear except for torches

[vernal quiver]

truuuue torches sucks buns

[viral yew]

Moros has a 67

[vernal quiver]

well

[viral yew]

So does medea

[vernal quiver]

not verifiable

[viral yew]

Non verified afaik

[vital otter]

[vernal quiver]

verified we have
staff: mel(surface + uw), circe once i lock tf in will have an uw clear
knives: i think all have an uw clear and mel has a surface iirc
skull: everything but hel has a uw and medea/mel have a surface
axe: mel has an uw
torches: none
coat: mel and shiva have an uw

iirc that is

in theory every weapon can do UW, surface is a bit of a different story with how hard the enemies scale

does nyx have an uw 67??

i feel like it should i just am not sure

[vital otter]

how many hours yall got before yall were like yeah i can do max fear

[vernal quiver]

i just hit 200 recently

which by top fear players is disgustingly low

[viral yew]

I mean took me close to 400 to get to 62

[viral yew]

You have autism i'm removing you from the dataset

[odd bolt]

Almost 400 and I sure can't do 67

[vital otter]

yeah ill just chill with my fear in 40s or so if this aint the only game i play i aint doing nothing in the 60s 😹

[vernal quiver]

god forbid im good at something 🥀

[odd bolt]

I think sgg designed vows with the intent of giving people multiple options, not with the intent of thinking people will be able to do all of them together

But some people can cause they're just built different like that

[vernal quiver]

its funny how 64h in h1 was considered impossible for a fair while

then i think we got a seeded clear or 2, and now we only have 3 unseeded while 67f is nearing 20

[odd bolt]

Yeah

[digital juniper]

23-24 verified ones actually

[vernal quiver]

oooo sick

[digital juniper]

only 4 months into the game’s lifecycle, pretty crazy

[copper stag]

Does shocking loss from Zeus work on guardians or bosses?

[digital juniper]

it can work on any miniboss that doesn’t have a name and a health bar at the top

[copper stag]

Ok so not main bosses, got it

[digital juniper]

oh yeah definitely doesn’t work on the bosses at the end of a biome

[fiery kraken]

H1 also had approval process which made max heat a reset fest

Make the last fear 5 for approval process 2 and I think max fear would be seriously impractical

[odd bolt]

Also H1 doesn't have jpom

[tall notch]

|| oh wow i just realised both games have a post-story keepsake that gives you poms, crazy how much better the h2 one is when you compare them side by side ||

[echo cove]

any weapon/ aspect suggestions for my first 32 fear run? i dont do casrt builds tho

[grim current]

It helps Jeweled Pom has a condition with it.

[vernal quiver]

Probably mel/circe staff

Theyre easily 2 of the most consistent weapons in the game

[queen surge]

Or Charon axe, very powerful, and can be played at a distance if needed!

[surreal hazel]

So uhh, new hotness for Supay is, of all things... Nimble limbs

Full effect of special and attack speed bonuses, and it actually also benefits their omegas too

[trail ore]

"I dont do cast builds"

[grim current]

Maybe they're a gamepad user.

[narrow steeple]

Does Hermes Tall Order require you to have 8 of EVERY element, or 8 of at least 1 element?

[unreal rose]

The association of the customs and the one making you have no boon choice was pure evil. I think they "balanced" vows better so it's playable even with everything combined

[turbid karma]

just one!

[unreal rose]

Also I find H2 high fear to be way less RNG dependent

[narrow steeple]

i see.. im only 310ish hours into the game and JUST realized it may not be 8 of everything.. thanks 🙂

[grim current]

It's still a... tall order... to meet Tall Order's conditions.

[narrow steeple]

Indeed it is.. but when you start with zeus.. then lean hard into zeus and hera... it happens

[serene wagon]

Eos torches with Ares is so fun

In boss fights you can stack up enough plasma to railgun out daybreakers

[spark crown]

as an eos and plasma enjoyer railgunning daybreakers does not help you T_T

but no cooldown specials do 🔥

[narrow steeple]

I love ares on Eos.

[serene wagon]

Do you get those through Daedalus hammers or upgrading the torches themselves?

[spark crown]

T-T Its your secondary with plasma it has no cooldown

• when you launch a daybreak its doubled

[serene wagon]

Riiight

I only recently unlocked Ares so I haven’t figured out all his boons

[frank siren]

Its ok ares is easily the worst god

[spark crown]

Hate to say that you are right

[jagged latch]

hey im having a lot of trouble finding fun and good builds to win with ive made it to chronos twice but never beat him and have gotten to charibdys I have some aspects but not to much does anyone have any recomendations for underworld or surface

[viral yew]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide

[viral yew]

Keep in mind you're still very early on and it's normal to take 5-10 attempts to beat chronos

[jagged latch]

ok thanks

[opal pecan]

I'm looking at the endscreen for this Mel coat 67F and just chortling because lmao of course Hecate topdamaged. What a menace that woman is.

[umbral horizon]

Eos help you a lot of plasmas but useless. That's suck.

[quick crescent]

just found out from a friend that you can get legendary boons through echo with a chaos trial

i've been playing this game for months and somehow never though of it

[spark crown]

oh no i know but if you are gonna run plasma you may aswell run no cooldowns special

[umbral horizon]

Yes at least Grisly Gain is a gain boon on Eos

[spark crown]

Low-key I wanna know how the 2 games would be if you swapped Mel and zags boons

While balancing dashes to suit either game still

[vernal quiver]

Hades1 would be a joke

Give zagreus blitz and hitch and everything is dead

[grim current]

Wait, so Myrtle & Iris are eternally "Needed Resource"s even after all the Incantations are complete simply beause it's an ingredeitn for Ambrosia even after all affinities are maxed out?

[spark crown]

Yup

all crafting recipe mats are

[serene wagon]

Yeah but he’s also my favourite so I’m determined to make him work

[viral yew]

I love ares, tbh I think aphro is worse

[unreal rose]

You don't need Ambrosia anymore though ?

[serene wagon]

I like Aphrodite on the sister blades for attack, or the cast for the staff

But outside of that I haven’t found a use for her

[spark crown]

ragebait

-10/10 ragebait

[spark crown]

H1 zeus flourish eos O_O

h1 ares boons on mel:P

[viral yew]

I would say she is the single worst god for blades attack

[viral yew]

I genuinely believe this

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hades2/s/NqtOfBNwqK

[flint widget]

aphro has weak which is a better curse than ares wounds in my opinion

[viral yew]

😒

[flint widget]

why are u booing me im right

[manic shuttle]

Aphro has Flutter Flourish, Rapture Ring, Glamour Gain, Spiritual Affirmation, Sweet Surrender, Wispy Wiles

Ares has Cut Above

[flint widget]

and general grievous

[manic shuttle]

Ares also has (needs) Griveous

[flint widget]

if ur running wards wounds automatically activates on first ward meaning it doesnt do anything unless enemy is really tanky or if u have ward clearing stuff like static then wounds can work

[manic shuttle]

yea, wounds only good for origination proc in biomes when wards exist

[flint widget]

but tbh ares is fine on stuff like medea and eos

but id much rather have something like hera attack on both

[tall notch]

Do I need to click aphro attack for my 62 Artemis when I eventually get around to it?

[spark crown]

This is true for everything except a few Erebus enemies that for some reason you trigger wound all 3 attacks

[viral yew]

Not saying u cant win with it

It's just the last one I would pick

[spark crown]

Used to be my most used attack especially on axe and blades

Also as soon as I get my PC back in redoing my boon and god teir list

Hot take I think chaos should hit you for 3 damage if you cleanse their boons with chrolex

[umbral horizon]

Do you think Zagreus deal 120 dmg as fast as Melinoe?

[frank siren]

Ares is so bad that he needs 3 gods to make his DUO boon good

[digital juniper]

eh they’re chaos, if anything they’re probably intrigued and fascinated by doing that

[digital juniper]

are you referring to heinous affront?

[spark crown]

fair enough

Chaos TO GOLD

[digital juniper]

if so i think of it more of a “glorious disaster is so ass that the apollo zeus duo is actually heinous smite”

how do the 60f runs fare, metal?

[spark crown]

paused for a week to a month pc has its self

[digital juniper]

oooof, tough luck friend

[umbral horizon]

I have just figured out that Hades have revenge boon and Heinous can active it. That's so cool!

[digital juniper]

yeah it’s a pretty cool interaction

[umbral horizon]

But doesnt active Athena's boon sadly.

[flint widget]

just reached 600 hours on hades 2 🥳

[spark crown]

What hades boon is a revenge boon?

(if someone responds reply ping i gotta sleep)

[digital juniper]

unseen ire, considered a revenge boon because it activates after you get hit

[vernal quiver]

i mean sword spec on its own was what 50 base??

1 loop of the dash attack -> attack -> special sequence just on sword was ~100 i think

and thats without any other boons

[void crescent]

Any combs are Black Goat - Nyx? Why is this arms suddenly so ass yet it's my favourite, 6 losses on surface in a row 💔

[void crescent]

Deglove

You

[flint widget]

im right tho

ares mid as hel(l)

[flint widget]

uh get blitz, scorch or waves on special and special spam

[void crescent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1367176552839643156/1368808136206581841/IMG_1115.gif

Wrong gif 🥀

[void crescent]

Yay

[flint widget]

make sure to get double strike, pyro technique, and slippery slope respectively

[spark crown]

hitch attack biltz scorch waves spec

[flint widget]

i just did a nyx 62f surface clear earlier

[void crescent]

Zamn

Thanks y'all

[flint widget]

imo hitch sprint is better since ur special spamming

[spark crown]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jumpscare-cat-jumpscare-kot-cat-tunnel-gif-20472571

[void crescent]

DEFINITELY MY FAVVV

[spark crown]

true true

[flint widget]

tho id still get apollo sprint since its the goat

[void crescent]

Eternity still a relevant arcana?

[flint widget]

nah

eternity doesnt work on omega boost

[spark crown]

not for nyx coat

[flint widget]

if it did nyx would suck ass tbh

constant slowdown is not fun

[spark crown]

i mean itd stop silly people from crashing into attacks while charging

[flint widget]

and its not like phase shift where u can move freely

eternity slows u down as well

[void crescent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1259422252558975047/1264859843110637598/ezgif-4-2d53a029b3.gif

[spark crown]

#buffeternity

[void crescent]

Oh shi

Right

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/w-speed-kaisgolazo-speed-drinking-water-ishowspeed-ishowspeed-water-gif-5824894989253361244

[spark crown]

also plasma is okay on nyx coat :)

[void crescent]

Whoops

[spark crown]

XD

[void crescent]

Who-

[spark crown]

its ares whole thing in this game

[flint widget]

not really

[spark crown]

he make you go fast

[flint widget]

wounds exist

[spark crown]

ares has no curse :)

[flint widget]

tbh wounds is fine but when u get wards in it sucks ass

[void crescent]

Ohhh

[spark crown]

https://tenor.com/view/there-is-no-war-in-ba-sing-se-avatar-the-last-airbender-atla-no-war-there-is-no-war-gif-15884087966518847999

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/gioated-family-guy-peter-griffin-crazy-straightjacket-gif-20619219

[spark crown]

There is no ares curse in Hades II

[surreal hazel]

aphrodite doesn't believe it exists

[lament ivy]

Is there a general best familiar for speedruns? Ive been using Frinos because it saves time dodging Hecate's curse, I'm not sure if any of the others have such a tangible benefit for going fast

Like obviously Gale is better overall but the blocks/dodge chances dont do much for speed

[flint widget]

raki

for the extra crit

sheep ball is ez to dodge

so no need for frinos

[unreal rose]

You're also faster technically

[lament ivy]

My thinking was less about successfully dodging and more about the time spent dodging

[flint widget]

its literally just 4-5 seconds

if u have rousing reception or light smite u can instakill all hecate ads

saving u time

[lament ivy]

Looks like the hex is out for about 7-8 seconds which is shorter than I thought

[digital juniper]

i mean the witches only spawn 2-3 seconds before the sheep ball duration ends, using or not using frinos

meanwhile raki gives you the crit chance throughout the entire run

[lament ivy]

Thats true

[digital juniper]

so for speeding it’s raki in almost all situations, except weapons like charon that benefit from the early magick

moros comes to mind too

[spark crown]

Nah bro speed is Hecuba fr fr
-# this is ragebait

[hot scarab]

Anyone think chain lightning is good

[viral yew]

No

[odd bolt]

I mean if you're running moros...

That said I still rather have raki and just highroll born gain in erebus

[flint widget]

me

[surreal hazel]

It's great

Deceptively strong

[opaque dew]

Great in non magick builds

Good in some omega heavy builds but if youre running the vow that primes magick per boon … RIP

[bright viper]

chain lightning with trick knives yippie

[dense elk]

Wow, I got got by reckless abandon

It really overrides all buffs and increases?

[viral yew]

Air quality works on the 5 damage but yeah

[lone quartz]

Chain lightning is amazing and on lower fears or non magick builds it is absolutely worth the 50 primed

[grim current]

How much worse does Strength operate without Gorgon Amulet?

That's the thing that's keeping me from regularly playing a Strength + Fates' Whim build.

[bronze flax]

I stopped using Gorgon Amulet for a while after I started Fates' Whim runs, so I'd say not equiping the Gorgon Amulet it's not a big factor

[grim current]

Hum. I should eventually play a Judgement game for once. You recommend Fates' Whim or Change of Fate?

[opal pecan]

Gorgon Amulet is irrelevant to Strength.

[odd bolt]

and you can still pick gorgon amulet even of fates whim on region 3 assuming you dont care a lot for your hades boon and would rather have a defensive athena boon

[void crescent]

Wait, so nothing for attack?

[opal pecan]

Nah, it's not like Charon, Nyx still benefits attack, it's just that hitch sprint doesn't proc if the enemy is already hitched

And hitch sprint is really good on Nyx

So ideally you really just want hitch on your sprint and not on any other frequent applicator, under those circumstances

[tropic agate]

so I wanna try a build using aspect of Nergal on 20 fear got any ideas?

[void crescent]

Yeah definitely, but I meant as in no attack boon? I like going for Apollo, Ares or Aphor

[opal pecan]

No, no, not as in no attack boon.

Poseidon and Hestia are your usual go-tos, but other things can work as well.

[digital juniper]

apollo or hera attack and go ham on omegas, a very fun build would be apollo attack and exceptional talent, but that requires some luck to get

get origination between your cast/sprint or even glamour gain is enough to keep up with nergal if you don’t have exceptional talent

psychic whirlwind is by far your best choice hammer

[tropic agate]

thnx ill give it a try

[spark crown]

Hera attack any curse special

[flint widget]

yeah

special spam and ez game

[opal pecan]

I had a chance at beating my PB but I got caught in a timebubble and died 😔

[tropic agate]

posted the end result of my nergal run

[lone quartz]

what would be like the BEST HYPOTHETICAL OPTIMAL circe build?

[viral yew]

Zeus cast, blitz special, gales on cast, ares attack, light smite, heinous affront, geyser spout, meat grinder, prominence flare, air quality, easy shot, local climate, supernova, chaos cast buff

Tropical cyclone, glorious disaster

[lone quartz]

wow thats really good

[viral yew]

Good luck getting all of that in a run but that's pretty much every cast related boon buff i can remember

[digital juniper]

techniiiiically ares special zeus attack would be better

because the special has higher base power

[spiral wadi]

even then i'd just pick up hitch special

[flint widget]

exactly

hitch spreads cast dmg to other enemies

meanwhile ares exists

[spiral wadi]

i mean i don't mind ares spec at all

it's just in the ideal scenario since zeus cast is ur big nutty dps u want smth like hitch to let it spread

[flint widget]

true

[spiral wadi]

and also even then circe is circe and u can do anything to win

[flint widget]

speaking of circe

it's circe week on speedcord

[alpine raft]

finally an excuse to have fun

[flint widget]

time to get a quick 62f circe in

both routes since my recorded clears were booty cheeks

[lone quartz]

bro i almost won 20f staff but i died RIGHT before typhon 💔 it DEFINITELY was my boon luck in ephyra and NOT my skill

[opal pecan]

I mean u jest but it's usually both

Moar skill = you are less reliant on luck

[flint widget]

my h2 weapons ranking (subjective):

1. staff
2. torches
3. skull
4. coat (interchangeable with 5)
5. blades (interchangeable with 4)
6. axe

[opal pecan]

Lmao yours is just mine other than the placement of coat

[odd bolt]

staff top 1 based

[opal pecan]

Speak now, whosoever thinks axe is ye beste but really hates the staff

[flint widget]

i hate axe with a burning passion

[odd bolt]

i like axe

staff > torches > skull/axe (interchangeable) > blades > coat
for me

[vernal quiver]

id probably switch skull and torches icl

[flint widget]

all of the torches have decent to insane aspects

[vernal quiver]

skull has medea and mel, and persephone is just a slightly worse mel with a bunch of poms, torches really struggles at high fear and the necessity of a gain i think auto makes it less consistent