h2-builds-and-combat

[tight marten]

lots of big splashes

[old plover]

And that's despite me using predominantly O-Attacks

[tight marten]

I asked that cuz I got poseidon's + hestia's boom when enemies explodes and... and I loved it

althought hestia's scorch+freezer burn or whatever it's called is posibbily stronger

[opal pecan]

Anubis' omega attack doesn't actually change the attack, it just adds an extra block-y field

[tight marten]

oh my god it's you the guy with the french name

HI!!

[opal pecan]

? wot

[tight marten]

you're the guy I asked if you were french and you responded no and you explained to me it was because of the sentence ''l'esprit de l'escalier'' and then I said I only heard someone use that sentence in an exurb1a video

[opal pecan]

What a memory you've got on ya :P

[fiery kraken]

I could have sworn the O attack on anubis adds an extra damaging zone

[opal pecan]

The extra zone also blocks enemies off

[fiery kraken]

just goes to show how little I use it

[opal pecan]

TBH I didn't realize it until someone told me either

[fiery kraken]

I've never noticed that

[old plover]

Speaking of Anubis: The shades summoned by it do benefit from attack boons too, right?

[opal pecan]

I would be shocked if that were the case.

The shades aren't part of the "attack" move.

[tight marten]

ehhh I don't think so, but maybe? that would be very strong

[opal pecan]

If you killed a dude on a trap, or with your special or cast or rush, it would still create a shade. So the shade feature is not at all associated with "attack"

As far as I'm aware, the only way to modify shade damage would be the shade-related Anubis-specific hammers

[old plover]

Oh true I read that entirely wrong

I thought only the attack created shades

[opal pecan]

Yep nup, it's just a general Anubis feature

[tight marten]

what I would love to see is anubis aspect + poseidon's attack + the ares duo boon that makes it red

(and also gives you a 25% to splash again)

[opal pecan]

Arterial Spray!

[tight marten]

wouldn't that be absolutely busted on anubis?? + if you add hitch/scorch cast

and froth

I like blood

[flint widget]

probably

blitz would still outperform it ofc

cuz its the goat

[tight marten]

oh yeah I didn't even thought of that, is blitz really really op on anubis attack?

[flint widget]

yes

it destroys bosses

almost got sub 16 62f with anubis but I was forced to take finest of lines

[old plover]

You'd need the additional boon that makes blitz auto-trigger on omegas to make it really broken though

[flint widget]

nah it's great on its own

you know what really makes it popoff tho? static shock

and double strike

[old plover]

It doesn't trigger from just your attack though, does it?

[flint widget]

yeah

omega attack is necessary but static shock mitigates this problem to some extent

plus relying on ur attack purely for blitz proccing is just stupid imo

ur special and cast exists

[opal pecan]

The omega special in particular being the star in this case, iirc

[flint widget]

eh omega special isnt necessary

cast dmg exists

[opal pecan]

I meant wrt the "ur special" bit :P

Normal special ain't exactly hittin all that hard

[flint widget]

its fast hitting tho

[opal pecan]

You reckon? It never felt much to me, but perhaps I am biased

[flint widget]

also i have beef against omega special anubis

tried pulling out omega special in high fear olympus and it dragged an armored dracon towards me

you can probably guess how that went

[opal pecan]

Ahyes, I can see the virtual scars graven upon your soul

[tight marten]

the stupid chaos random trial gave me pan daggers, I do NOT know how to build this

[flint widget]

pray for hidden knives or trick knives

if not reset

[old plover]

Or just play them like unnamed regular daggers.

[tight marten]

I hae this :(

hate

[fiery kraken]

is this a trick or something @median anvil hides behind a pillar and gets 6 successive dodges on hecate's dark attack https://youtu.be/5l0tY_UlfL4?si=fjF9PTxyUm6ftc25&t=464

linked to the time where it happens

the jpom boon is last gasp, so it couldn't have been darkness (which I don't think behaves like that anyway)

[flint widget]

yeah if u hide behind a pillar the pillar blocks the dark side attacks

not the dark side wave tho

[fiery kraken]

what?

wow, I totally did not know that

[grim current]

So in order to advance Odysseus' arc, I need to show the Knuckle Bones to Polyphemus, Scylla, &/or Circe (don't spoil who specifically)?

[old plover]

Yes.

(Although you're currently in the "spoilers allowed" channel, so...)

[grim current]

Yeah, but Odysseus is pretty much the first character who've I needed guidance for to complete his arc.

Beyond Chaos trials, I was never handicapped from equipping the trinkets I want.

[old plover]

If you don't have the prophecy for him yet, you might just need to wait a bit (and run around with knuckle bones?) until he gives you his quest

[grim current]

What a challenge this will be. Would you guys suggest Death or Strength? Fates' Whim or Change of Fates?

[sage flame]

whatever you're more comfortable with tbh

[tropic hazel]

What's the best aspects for each weapon should I focus on early game?

[sage flame]

once you get familiars, circe staff is really good

charon axe is also really good and pretty straightforward

[tawny imp]

Torches are pretty easy imo

[sage flame]

yeah mel and moros torches play basically the same , and eos is really good in general too

[tropic hazel]

What about staff. Circe only?

[tawny imp]

Mel staff just has one main move combo you memorize

[sage flame]

mel staff is good

momus is okay, hidden aspect is good too

[astral blade]

Am I correct that crits multiply the total damage after +% effects? E.g., if I have Melinoë Blades, a +50% Attack boon, +100% backstab, and I crit, the total damage would be:

base * (1 + boon + backstab) * crit = 20 * (1 + 0.5 + 1) * 3

[tawny imp]

I hate momus

[tropic hazel]

Whadya mean>?

[tawny imp]

Dash attack special

Just repeat that and it should work once you upgrade it

[sage flame]

dattack -> special repeat

busted with zeus attack

[tropic hazel]

you mean (dash attack) + attack + special?

[tawny imp]

Don’t attack in middle

Don’t use dagger

[sage flame]

pretty sure but I don't know the damage formula exactly

and for mel staff special boost means you only need any % boon on special to hit the threshold to activate blitz (from your attack) in one hit

[grim current]

I fecund hated Aspect of Charon.

The Moonstone Axe is my most troublesome weapon, but I always have fun with it: Aspect of Melinoe, Thanatos, & Nergal.

[old plover]

yes

[astral blade]

I was kind of charmed when I picked it up and discovered my old friend Excalibur had been promoted to a base weapon

[old plover]

And then there's a hidden aspect that puts more Excalibur in your Excalibur lol

[astral blade]

Like yeah, good for you buddy

[viral yew]

How are you playing/building it

[astral blade]

Not the person you asked, but I do feel like it wants me to dash in, drop a cast, dash away, and then Ω Special into it. The obvious enhancement is a boon that makes your casts land at range, but I haven't played enough with it to see how much better that feels

[grim current]

Heh. I make it sound like playing with 12 Fear will be that difficult if I was forced to equip Knuckle Bones all day. It's not the worst boss trinket. It's not Evil Eye or Luckier Tooth.

Hell, let's make it 16.

[flint widget]

u can dash while channeling omega special so that helps a lot with movement

[surreal hazel]

Honestly the cast radius bonus means you can just ospecial on top of your own cast and it's fine

[viral yew]

You can dash charge the omegaspecial, so you drop it, immediately charge the special, dash during the charge, and then use it

[astral blade]

I find I don't really like having to wind it up in the middle of all the monsters I intentionally moved into so I could drop the Cast

Dashing during Ω Special is a very useful trick though, good to know

[viral yew]

Works with some weapons

Torches is good for it, axe oattack too

[haughty sable]

hey guys, just to remind myself, which god gives you a boon that restores your magick every time you attack enemies?

[odd bolt]

hestia

cardio gain

[haughty sable]

thank you so much

[astral blade]

For the record, I believe the full damage formula is:

{ ((base + [power effects]) * (1 + [+% boosts]) * crit) + [on-hit effects] } * (1 + [global +% effects])

^ where everything in [square brackets] is potentially multiple effects stacking additively

[old plover]

Pretty much, yup. Although on-hit effects can also separately crit, under certain circumstances.

[astral blade]

Pressure Points, Vital Sign, maybe Death Warrant?

[viral yew]

Grievous and wounds

[old plover]

Raki

[astral blade]

My understanding is that Grievous Blow is specifically not a crit, and in fact stacks with crits? So I suppose technically:

((((base+[power]) * (1+[+%]) * crit) + ([on-hit] * crit)) * grievous * (1 + [global +%])

Placing us well outside the bounds of what can be made readable on one line without syntax highlighting to differentiate the parentheses

[old plover]

Grievous only applies to weapon damage, not to the on-hit

At least I think that's how it works

[odd bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/ad17gg7.jpeg surely phial will hit the heph special

lol it did

best keepsake

[grim current]

It's not like I didn't win with 12 Fear. I just heavily dislike the playstyle it encourages. Get Lightning Lance/Glowing Coal. Keep distance & spam cast -> omega special, baby. Ocassionally perform dash-attack or special for a quick attack. It didn't encourage fluid, weighty movements like Aspect of Melinoe, Thanatos, & Nergal.

[odd bolt]

You don't need lightning lance or glowing coal

But you're right on the whole spam cast > ospecial that's pretty much the only way to play this aspect

[cerulean panther]

Grievous Blow can affect all damage, besides Scorch.

[alpine raft]

no way i thought struck implied weapon

when else does that word appear actually

[keen anchor]

this game does not want to give me wide grin ive gone like 7x in a row without getting it now 😔

[odd bolt]

Only other place I can't think of "struck" being mentioned is on blitz description

But I think there are other places

[cerulean panther]

A good compare/contrast can be done with Grisly Gain. "Striking foes with your Weapon..." compared to Profuse Bleeding and Grievous Blow bolding "Wounds".

If "Weapon" is bolded and you see "strike" or "striking" it's an Attacks and Specials situation. Grievous Blow and Mutual Destruction are universal mini-crits.

[odd bolt]

Yeah I would also assume it would mention either weapon or it would specifically state attacks and specials

Also I've noticed them triggering on blitz and such before

[grim current]

Boy, are enemies a helluva lot more tanky without Origination.

Boy, is it fun to have Boatman.

[odd bolt]

First death when doing 40f all aspects is with Shiva, god I would fw this aspect so much if it straight up did not have a dash strike

[viral yew]

Why do u have it off

[grim current]

I need to advance Odysseus' arc, so I might as well play with The Fates Arcana.

[viral yew]

Never take it off

What arcana are you using

[grim current]

Hm?

I just wanted to remember what it felt like not having Origination again.

[grim current]

Guess I should've commented in #h2-discussion.

Whoops!

[frank siren]

For the pro speedrunners, I can consistently get in the ~6m but I cant break under. Is it all luck or are there tricks to getting under 6m consistently?

[odd bolt]

There are a lot of techs

[viral yew]

Some tricks and tech, still alot of luck

And medea skull

[odd bolt]

https://mobalytics.gg/hades-2/guides/how-to-speedrun

You might already know a lot of the things mentioned on the guide but there might be one thing that can help

[frank siren]

Haha i am trying to get on the leaderboard for mel staff since medea is too obvious

[bronze flax]

What does Master Conductor do exactly? The "Your chain-lightning can bounce off of you" bit does not make clear to me what it does lol

[odd bolt]

Afaik it means that even if there's only one enemy, the shock will still bounce from you to that enemy guaranteeing the dmg

Also helps for enemies that are far apart

[bronze flax]

Oh, so it's there to keep the 4 Chain-lightning hits no matter what, basically?

[odd bolt]

Yeah at least thats how I think it works, I've used it very little tbh

Maybe I should build into it more it's a fun duo

[haughty sable]

builds are stronger in the surface compared to underworld right? at least thats what it seems like to me

like by the time you get to the final boss of surface your build is stronger than in by the time you get to the end of the underworld

[viral yew]

You can have similar builds on both, surface just has a much stronger start

[haughty sable]

makes sense, cause of the many options you have at the very start?

[viral yew]

Yeah ephrya consistently gives way better starts than erebus

[haughty sable]

makes sense why i see a lot of speedruns on surface

[odd bolt]

I think underworld is more common for Speedruns actually

[haughty sable]

i guess i just happen to see more surface speedruns then

[haughty sable]

i asked this in hades 1 builds channel but not here. What are some of yalls favorite builds for this game?

[vernal quiver]

Heph cast winners circle on circe is super funny

[spark crown]

Ares Plasma Poseidon attack torch

Was my first torch win

And heres the worst part I was running it on supay

[foggy sentinel]

Is the skull ANY good at all?

[bronze flax]

It is good, yes

[heavy gale]

I’m new should I use the spear of achillis

[foggy sentinel]

I really dont want to complete the battle with Typhon with something I have to actively chase down.

[grim current]

I like Aspect of Medea.

[foggy sentinel]

Okay. I haven't even made a run with it yet. That and the torches feel like an act of masochism.

I feel like the attacks just feel so slow.

[grim current]

I learned Revaal's special helps chasing down spent shells.

[foggy sentinel]

is that an aspect of the weapon or something I have to collect on a run?

[grim current]

Ooh, I like the Umbral Flames. I like Moros, but Supay is super funky.

[foggy sentinel]

I feel like the special is just too hard to pin down and is slow. I feel like that is me being spoiled by the coat and the fists in H1 tho.

[grim current]

I've not felt a great deficit when I was forced to equip Hestia/Poseidon's Strike/Flourish boons when it comes to the Umbral Flames. Then again, I covet Origination...

Hidden Helix (+1 orbiting orb on special) is definitely a favorite of mine.

[foggy sentinel]

I feel like starting with 2 feels incomplete. It would be better if it started with 3 and then went to 4. With 2 it feel so inconsiquential compared to the specials of all the other weapons.

[foggy sentinel]

Its a favorite of mine too but only because it feels necessary.

[alpine raft]

omega special applies curse to the entire room

[vernal quiver]

One of the strongest weapons

Medea, mel, and persephone are all super strong and consistent options

Hel not so much since you need like 1-2 specific builds for it to work but still

[vernal quiver]

They've all also done 67f actually

Hel is the only outlier

[alpine raft]

the special attracts the skulls from so far away that i think it hits his whole arena

[foggy sentinel]

That's wild. It makes sense to boost it in other aspects for such a weird/clunky mechanic to remain.

[haughty sable]

whats the best coat aspect?

[alpine raft]

what clunky mechanic

[vernal quiver]

Nyx generally

[foggy sentinel]

The collection of the amo.

[alpine raft]

i was talking about torch ospecial which you said needed 3 orbs to feel usable

[vernal quiver]

Ive literally never had an issue with ammo collection on the skulls

The special magnets them from so far its a non issue

[alpine raft]

yea and with ammo have you even used special

[foggy sentinel]

At least in H1 with the gun, we only had reload time but having to go into the thick of it or to keep track of where the skulls bounce to seems like a lot.

Gotcha.

[alpine raft]

again: if the skull is on the screen, special will attract it

[foggy sentinel]

I tried it on Schelemeus and it wasn't really apparent there that the special did that.

I'll have a go at it.

See how it goes.

[alpine raft]

yea it definitely works in the crossroads so test the distance

[foggy sentinel]

Will do. Maybe I was standing too close so it seemed like it came back to me because I moved toward it as I specialed.

[median anvil]

yep! Hecate's dark side projectiles visually pass through pillars but they actually get blocked. the game apparently gets confused about this and spams "dodged" pop ups above you

[hushed moat]

any builds for aspect of selene

[viral yew]

Go back to the crossroads and pick a different aspect

[hushed moat]

uh gotta do stuff with it sorry bro

[alpine raft]

same as mel coat but worse

[vernal quiver]

You build it like any other coat

So just a blue mel coat

[hushed moat]

uh i dont use it

so i got no builds for it

[vernal quiver]

On hit attack(scorch/posiedon), then special tends to be hera or zeus

[hushed moat]

ight ty

[vernal quiver]

If you wanna try playing into the aspect you can take wounds on special to snag the godsent hex

[hushed moat]

oh bet

[grim current]

I first tried Aspect of Nyx because I wasn't impressed by Melinoe's unique stats, & I could barely understand Aspect of Selene before trying it myself. I like Aspect of Shiva, but everyone keeps on saying Nyx is superior. How come?

[alpine raft]

very strong for room clear

[vernal quiver]

Easier room clear, every coat plays the exact same so the main difference becomes clear speed

[bronze flax]

Focusing on Omega Special. Building flat damage modifiers like Fine Line and Controlled Burn works great

Coffin Nail Cut Above with Omega Special is kinda funny, I have seen it triggering multiple sword falls

[spark crown]

tbh glad no-one acknowledged this

[past hornet]

is there a guide of which vows are the best to use?

[split igloo]

Is there a certain spot to start hitting or something on VoR Sirens? I've started playing with Frenzy 2 and I'm getting hit by stuff I can't even see happening.

I can handle everything except that fight

[vernal quiver]

If uou plan on chasing high fear(45+) then rivals and frenzy go max asap, otherwise like scars2, hubris2, shadow, menace2, denial, debt are all pretty free

[grim current]

Personally, Vow of Rivals, Fangs, & Shadow are the most fun.

[vernal quiver]

Generally that fight takes some killer awareness on top of good targeting priority

There's 2 ways to take it, either you go slow and catch scylla on the bottom right tentacle and work your way up that right side to Roxy, or you rush the hell out of roxy

Either way that far right tentacle is so much space that's necessary to get asap

[viral yew]

https://imgur.com/a/BNUlYKy

[old plover]

What do ppl usually build on Moros torches? I'm a little confused as to whether this is considered an on-hit or a %-dmg weapon, on both halves of the weapon.

[manic shuttle]

works with anything

[vernal quiver]

Just avoid posiedon

Since the splash can ruin the cc, blitz + hitch will always be best

[tall notch]

Moros is very flexible, my 62 was Poseidon attack Ares special

[tropic hazel]

How do I fight Prometheus? I mean the phrase when he covers whole area in flames

[old plover]

Memorize one save zone per strike. Much easier than memorizing the entire pattern.

[vernal quiver]

or just be cool and awesome and learn the dash timing

[median anvil]

use numbers for each zone, memorize a single safe zone per wave by saying its number out loud

[old plover]

Or do you mean the giant circle that forms centered on yourself? In which case, just keep on moving. That's generally the trick for this fight: As long as you keep on your toes, barely anything that Prom does can even hit you.

[tropic hazel]

No I meant exactly what you have explained

Is pattern random or is it the same every time?

[old plover]

random

It's always 3 attacks the first time and 5 attacks the 2nd time

But the exact patterns are random

It does appear to me that it's hard coded to never give you the same save region on 3 attacks in a row though, so not fully random in that sense.

[tropic hazel]

Need some practice

Sad, I've got lvl 8 heroic zeus attack, but my lack of skill made me fall xD

[spark crown]

Tim for more 60f attempts

Nvm no 60f I'm not in the mood

[old plover]

Does Hordes increase the number of adds in boss fights?

[vernal quiver]

no

only in regular rooms since what hoards actually does is up the hidden "threat value" of a room that the enemies fill

minibosses and bosses dont get that same value so theres nothing for hoards to affect

[old plover]

Quote Nemesis: "All those handouts from your relatives. Surely you don't need them all!" https://imgur.com/UaZY6Eh

[viral yew]

Does it not increase the rivals cerb adds

[vernal quiver]

i dont think so

never felt like it does

[viral yew]

im trippin balls then

[tall notch]

noo im never gonna give u up

[spark crown]

My mental is atm might get back into it another day just had a rough few days

[spark crown]

Good trade

[upbeat matrix]

Coaching when /s you dont need to do it im memeing

[spark crown]

Soon™

[median anvil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1400282834882658324/1400288767486460125/20250715_182526.webp?ex=6959c20a&is=6958708a&hm=27acc48ed3ef0e83687485dcc677d5853b2ef6093cd257f9c158a28409131e96&

all possible variations

the one thing i memorized from this is that in the second memory game. the safe spot of the 4th strike will be the only fire lane of 5th strike

this means you only have to memorize the first 4 strikes in the second memory game

[tropic hazel]

Thanks, a lot, you didn't have to put so much work!

[median anvil]

i didn't, it's an old post from someone in speedcord 🗿

hippo is a real one for figuring all this stuff out 💯

[tropic hazel]

Hippo? The monstrosity on the way to ||the Summit||?

[median anvil]

nope, a fellow hades 2 player who happens to share his nickname with the abomination

[flint widget]

OH MY GOD

OH MY GOD

SUPAY 65F UNDERWORLD DONE

[median anvil]

67 next

[old plover]

I just got offered Life Tax on Scars 3..... does it work? There's no red text on the boon description that says it doesn't, as it would for other boons and items

[odd bolt]

It works

[old plover]

That's big then. Thx

[frank siren]

That is extreme

[spark crown]

There's like 7 sources that work 1 is life tax and another is chaos healing

[iron comet]

I'm really having issues playing Mel's Staff (Rank 5) for some reason.
From what I read it should be among the really good weapon (even more early one I would guess), but even while using the Zeus/Aphro build I feel like I don't do much, at least compared to thing like Charon's Axe (Rank 5) or Moros' Flames (Rank 5)

[unreal rose]

Quick and dumb question but I'm sure you guys know: is void max disabling judgement ? (Seems logical, but at the same time it doesn't require any arcana power to use it)

[old plover]

You should utilize the dash-attack in between specials, and don't bother with a 2nd attack.

[tall notch]

see now that you know how to heal you can turn scars up and play 62

[iron comet]

Yeah I'm doing the Dash-Attack + Special combo, but either I do it badly or it just doesn't as much as I expected idk

[tall notch]

are you playing with wards 2 by any chance

[odd bolt]

in terms of raw damage potential moros and charon are better with the right builds for sure, the thing about mel staff is consistent damage and safety without relying on omegas

[iron comet]

Yeah Charon & Moros I feel like my runs are doing something from the get-go, but I don't get this feeling with Mel's Staff

[fiery kraken]

So cool nice to know.

[flint widget]

in my dreams

[tropic hazel]

Surface is so difficult. Underwold in comparison feels like a walk in a park xD

[regal cobalt]

💀

[regal cobalt]

i think thats intentional tho

i made the mistak of going to check steam discussion is anyone wouldv e had good build recs on there but its all just losers complainign abt the game being either too hard or too "woke"

[old plover]

lmao

[regal cobalt]

oh i forgot i ended my game at the summit bc i had to go to work

way to warm up i guess

[iron comet]

Yeah doing Underworld run feel like the "easy" mode, at least without fear.
No idea if it changes with high fear lvl, guess not.

[flint widget]

https://imgur.com/a/92ZOjA1

[tall notch]

oh hi dork

how did you kill scylla and the sirens so quickly in your supay 65f?

[regal cobalt]

real

i had a hard time with scylla in beginning

but thyat teh beauty of a metroidvania

u get better each time and discover new skills !

and i did indeed die at the summit not a great way to start off a session

[flint widget]

who said i did

whats average time for rivals scylla kill again

i think it took me two minutes to finish the fight

[bronze flax]

I made that mistake yesterday, the woke thing was literally the first non-pinned discussion

Never again

[regal cobalt]

right

i think ill stick to the discpord

ooooh my god i just got the alteration incantation

this is gonna be fun i just gotta get the items

6 wool... ugh i guess ill do some surface runs

where do i get soot from

[flint widget]

without spoliers, its a post credits item

[regal cobalt]

oh thanks

all my book says is its in connection to the HoH

[flint widget]

youll have to wait until credits and then visit hades room to get it i think i forgot how many times tho

[regal cobalt]

i see i see

thanks for the help

[frank siren]

Bahaha I rarely hear past the first verse anymore on the sirens but I remember how hard they were the first few runs

[regal cobalt]

fr!!

the music is so good tho

[flint widget]

theyre pain in the ass when theyre in rivals form and its high fear tho

theyre gonna be wombo comboing you left and right

[tropic hazel]

Game is definitely harder than H1

[regal cobalt]

for sure

but its not impossible

and the whole point is u get better over time by dying over and over

[tropic hazel]

yeah

Since attempt 13th H1 I was everytime at hades

[flint widget]

if were talking about high fear tho h1 is easily harder

[tropic hazel]

You think?

Heat 32 is harder than Fear 32? xd

[regal cobalt]

pact of punishment feels a lot harder than fear fr

[flint widget]

due to the existence of approval process and the non existence of ||jeweled pom||

[regal cobalt]

but then again there are so many more possibilities for runs in hades 2 as well

[tropic hazel]

I like playin H2 but I liked weapons from H1 more

[frank siren]

I can do rivals typhon without getting hit but rivals sirens...

[tropic hazel]

I think I don't understand what you're talking about but I'm pre surface first kill ||Typhoon i guess?|| xD

[flint widget]

well ||jeweled pom|| is a post credits keepsake

when u get it and max out its ranking youll see how op it is

[frank siren]

The best keepsake and the most fun at the same time

[tropic hazel]

i see

I know it's not the right channel but I was fighting "the tail" boss. Was I close to ending?

[flint widget]

yeah u were close to endshop

[bronze flax]

Good thing Denial replaced Approval Process because wow, Approval Process is miserable

And at least Vow of Void has a way to let you get more upgrades after a Guardian, with Routine Inspection, there wasn't a lot you could do

[regal cobalt]

how many chaos ytrials have u guys done

[tropic hazel]

Do you guys who keep playing H2 go back to H1 or just stick with one?

[bronze flax]

All of them. Sometimes I like to try Trial of the Daemon (Supay) with Antler just for funsies

[regal cobalt]

ohh

ive only done like.. 8 i think so far LOL

[frank siren]

Sometimes I go back to H1 but then get mad at zags cast being so bad

[regal cobalt]

so true

[tropic hazel]

But his weapons. Oh my. I miss my sword and spear

[regal cobalt]

i went back to complete heat 16 to get 100% steam achievements

i like h2 weapons more but i miss my shield

[tropic hazel]

I'm missing only 2 achieves. One for cleasing of legendary boon (because I barely even got them XD)

and second about grinding all keepsake.

[narrow steeple]

Does Circe's Hymn to the Eye of Night (hex does +30% damage) buff the minions you sumon with night bloom

[regal cobalt]

ohh i see

[flint widget]

i remember getting the legendary achievement first try by just purging the fishing legendary when i first got it

[regal cobalt]

LOL

[tropic hazel]

Well, maybe I'll do a new run just for this achiv xD

[forest hinge]

does anyone know if PromFlare/GeyserSpout/MeatGrinder are still mutually-exclusive?

[flint widget]

wdym by mutually exclusive

[forest hinge]

like in the early access you couldnt combine any of the Omega Cast boons

[flint widget]

huh interesting

its not like that

[cerulean panther]

You can take all of them now.

[forest hinge]

you couldnt overlap a PromFlare with a GeyserSpout with a MeatGrinder, you had to pick one or the other

[forest hinge]

awesomeeee

[flint widget]

i even got all omega cast boons back in early access (unseen update)

[odd bolt]

Yes, so much harder

[fiery kraken]

I think someone said 40-45 fear is about 32 heat. For me, 32 fear feels similar to 20 heat. A little challenge, especially with an unfamiliar aspect, but doable in a few runs

[tropic hazel]

Well, I do heat 32 in H1, but I struggle in H2 XD

Zagreus>>>Melinoe

[fiery kraken]

trading 2nd dash mobility for crowd control cast is a big change for sure

[cerulean panther]

I was playing some H1 last night and I prefer Sprint. Generally speaking H1's Dash boons were nuts, Divine Dash and Greatest Reflex is almost a perfect defense against anything it has to offer.

But Sprint feels way better.

[odd bolt]

I did 32 heat in hades 1 as well, but it's so much harder than 32 fear

Boons in general are so much stronger in hades 2

[odd bolt]

Yeah I agree

I also love the magick system, not just omegas but also effects that interact with Magick

[tropic hazel]

Yeah. One run i got Aphro legendary and it iself melted whole rooms xD

[tropic hazel]

Me supreme bonking wretches with my sword and dieing just to make my dad mad

[regal cobalt]

i keep failing trial of doom due to the goddamn octopus mini boss

[flint widget]

true, it's kinda sad tho how ass omegas are without sorceress

[fiery kraken]

jpom also just makes the base start so much easier, it is much easier to get a run up and going

[flint widget]

and how magickless aspects like mel staff or circe tend to be way more op than aspects which use magick a lot

[regal cobalt]

a lot of boons give u similar effects tho its duable

doable*

[fiery kraken]

is mel staff not o special spam? I've always been playing it like that

[narrow steeple]

I mean.. you probably want to focus on special.. but whatever is working for you is good. SOmetimes teh boons just refuse to cooperate because of RNGesus

[flint widget]

mel staff is played optimally with the base specials

dash strike into special is so good as a base attack combo

[fiery kraken]

so the dash strike with special cancel?

cool

[flint widget]

huh

no it's just dash strike special there's no special tech

it's not like shiva

[fiery kraken]

I feel like the special cancels part of the attack cooldown ?

[regal cobalt]

yay finally maxed out aspect of than

[flint widget]

not really

dash strike is way more faster than regular attack

[regal cobalt]

attack speed boost on thans aspect is so good omg

how bad is rivals eris...

[narrow steeple]

I actually think unrivaled eris is easier than normal eris

[regal cobalt]

do u mean rivals is easier than normal

[narrow steeple]

eris with the vow of rivals active is, in my opinion, easier than the normal eris before the vow.

[regal cobalt]

yeah ok i see

ill try it out then

[flint widget]

tbh i find base eris to be easier

cuz rivals eris bombs are pain in the ass to get rid of if ur using short ranged aspect like medea

[narrow steeple]

I like that she doesnt power herself up, and the arena is like 1/3 the size.. so its less running around like a fool looking for her just for her to fly away

wait.. you can shoot the bombs?

[regal cobalt]

im going with zore

[flint widget]

yes

[regal cobalt]

zorephet thanatos

[narrow steeple]

...i did not know that

[flint widget]

aint no way u don't know

[regal cobalt]

help i didnt know that either

[flint widget]

theres no way

[frank siren]

ugh.. i hate getting asphodel in oceanus on a good speedrun. im 2 rooms away from the shop at 2:20 and the run is over just like that

[regal cobalt]

ooo

[narrow steeple]

i've bought everything, got all 3 night awards, am down to 2 chaos trials..

and i had no idea you could shoot the eris bombs

[flint widget]

also fun fact: aphros cast can destroy the bombs if the bombs come in contact with the cast

idk if there's any other cast which does that

[narrow steeple]

nice.

[frank siren]

early access hestia sprint was so busted

[regal cobalt]

thanatos aspect is so good wth

[narrow steeple]

yeah.. i cant play medea, for the most part. I just cant get the rythm down and end up getting face punched constantly

[flint widget]

medea has always been the goat for me ever since i discovered it

[fiery kraken]

oh you're talking about speed run

[narrow steeple]

i hear its awesome. I can see why. I guess i just dont mesh with it.. Now, Aspect of Eos.. im all over that one

[flint widget]

got me my first sub 5 so it's the goat

[fiery kraken]

I feel the same about medea - it's my last 32 fear underworld and I keep dying to the sirens

[frank siren]

yeah... i had everything I wanted, +90% attack from chaos, double thrasher, fine line and cut above, born gain...

[flint widget]

i can tell ur running moros

[frank siren]

nope, i am doing base mel staff

not too many people speedrunning it so I have a chance, other than kirrby lol

[flint widget]

why mel staff

and why is it attack focused isn't mel staff a special focused aspect

just like nyx charon and pan

[frank siren]

yes, but I prefer the omega attack either way with nova strike to clear more of the screen at once

if i start with dual moonshot, I can do that too. I'm just doing mel staff so I can be top 3 on the leaderboard for that weapon

[flint widget]

interesting

[regal cobalt]

omg hidden aspect for zorephet thanks charon

[flint widget]

max it out when u get it

it sucks ass at base

[regal cobalt]

ok ty

[narrow steeple]

nerrgal is awesome.

[odd bolt]

Yeah it's a little bit of a shame how omegas become weaker and weaker with higher fears

[odd bolt]

It sucks but in case you don't know you can stay outside the field and when it gets to 0% you immediately clear the encounter you just lose the reward

[digital juniper]

if you prefer to spam omega attack might aswell use momus

[frank siren]

wait really? I will try next time. And yes, momus would be better but I'm trying to get top 3 on Mel Staff specifically... but you know what let me do some momus runs now just to see

but the extra starting magic makes a difference too

[digital juniper]

assuming you mean on speedrun.com, any momus run you’d submit would technically be top 3 because there are only 2 submissions for it

for mel staff, to get 3rd place it would be reasonably possible to get it with omega attacks, but by focusing on normal specials you’d get an even faster time

[frank siren]

Let me submit a momus run tonight haha and yeah ill do some tinkering on special only builds. I have a love hate relationship with dual moonshot

[digital juniper]

while dual moonshot is big for mel staff, you can absolutely go fast without it!

the best special boon on it is aphro special so they go hand in hand

[frank siren]

Yeah I usually go for aphro with dual moonshot

[digital juniper]

i also love hera special with shimmering moonshot, makes room clear so much easier

[narrow steeple]

apollo's legendary + dual moonshot = LOL

[charred field]

I need a build for Aspect of Thanatos

Pls

[vernal quiver]

Arc flash blitz attack 🗣🔥🔥🔥

Pray for psychic whirlwind

[charred field]

Not Apollo's attack?

[frank siren]

Well... I submitted a run for mel staff, itd put me at 3rd place for mel and 14th overall for staff

[vernal quiver]

Arc flash is funnier

If you want a serious build put hera on attack, blitz on special, and get psychic whirlwind

[regal cobalt]

stupid prometheus

[narrow steeple]

Anyone have an answer for this one?

[digital juniper]

almost sure it does yes

[narrow steeple]

Awesome thanks. I have an unhealthy obsession with night bloom. The utter insanity of having a big dude in a boss fight, on your side, powered by Hera, for the whole fight... I enjoy it immensely

It's especially comedic on Scylla when you raise the drummer

[digital juniper]

night bloom is indeed very fun and very strong yeah!

[regal cobalt]

raising roxy is the best bc her attacks r so spacious theyre bound to hit scylla

[dreamy veldt]

Apparently you can get the recipe for nectar in the game???

[alpine raft]

its aphrodite dialogue

[dreamy veldt]

Maybe I read it and just missed it

[alpine raft]

idk the condition but ive heard multiple times people get the recipe when they go to 0 nectar

[alpine raft]

if you have it youd see it in your cauldron recipes

[vernal quiver]

you also need a golden apple to trigger it iirc

[iron comet]

Currently trying to make my arcana sets because I made it to 30 Grasp, but I'm not quite sure when I should use or not use things like Huntress & Origination.
I feel like Huntress is pretty much a 100% uptime boost no mater the playstyle, but I may be missing something, while for Orotination idk what build would play with at least 2 curses

[vernal quiver]

you should be getting 2 curses regardless of what youre doing because of how many ways you can apply them

your goto on lik 90% of weapons is blitz and hitch, which is 2 curses, then other weapons want like scorch/froth + blitz, which is 2 curses

even if youre doing like aphrodite or apollo attack/special(which ik dont give innate curses), you have your cast and your dash to apply them, thus making origination the easiest and strongest damage buff in the game to access

every god has a curse, and your god pool iirc is 4 over a run, so getting 2 curses is trivial

[iron comet]

So I should pretty much put Origination in all my sets I guess ? Isn't it the same for huntress then ?

[vernal quiver]

huntress is a tad more situational since on omega focused weapons it doesnt buff, so stuff like mel/circe staff would really like it since you just pop an Ospec and now you have a damage buff compared to like charon where all your damage is an omega which huntress doesnt affect

orig on the other hand is on everything yes

[iron comet]

Oh yeah Huntress doesn't buff Omegas, my bad

[vernal quiver]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiXQ==
i like to use this as a very simple non-omega weapon set

and if you are playing with omegas you can like drop artificer to slap on eternity

[iron comet]

Was thinking about doing something like that :
https://imgur.com/a/DiHNvB9

[vernal quiver]

ohhh yeah i forget reroll corner exists

too jpom pilled

[iron comet]

I think the Omega set looks good, but I'm not so sure for the Non-omega one

[vernal quiver]

yeah non omega looks fine

[spark crown]

im so tempted to turn wards of for scars 3

[wraith badge]

What builds do yall likeon the aspect of thanotos

[charred field]

I've done Apollo attack,super nova hit twice and allat
Success rate to increase immortality and raki for more crit chance
Hephaesteus special or any really
Also any critical from artemis is welcome but mostly one with the cast since you increase its size

[vernal quiver]

Arc flash blitz atk is funny, there's also the rare Ospec build you can do with the right hammers

Psychic whirlwind will be amazing on it regardless

[charred field]

If you get the one that lets you attack while doing omega spin,you won

[oblique hazel]

my favourite than axe build i ever had was the seething marauder hammer with blitz attack it was sooo nice

then i antlered and lost to chronos 💔

[umbral horizon]

Yesterday I tried blitz-omega spin build with King's Ransom. It dealed 3k dmg per spin. That's crazy.

[narrow steeple]

I assume if you're going for Kings Ransom, you dont put any hera in your core spots?

[viral yew]

I mean you can

Depends on the build

But zeus scales so well with it you could be fine with blitz special and arc flash on torches

[umbral horizon]

I got her sprint and gain as core boons. Give up but take them back later.

[spark crown]

gonna try more 60f now my mental is higher

whats the icd of splash now?

You can roll inverted blaze on eos?????????

[spark crown]

Narc keepsake onto bridal that was on zeus special ON EOS LES GOOOO

ICARUS STOP TRYING TO RUIN MY GOOD RUNS

i blame that loss on icarus T_T

[vernal quiver]

Skill issue icl

[spark crown]

[rigid ore]

Game fun as eff when you roll up with your gang AKA your familiar, Aspect of Eos, and Night Bloom and just jump Chronos

[flint widget]

and then u turn on max frenzy and rivals chronos and then now hes jumping you

[spark crown]

Trueee

[grim current]

Wow. Against Unrivaled Typhon, I just got pushed by the eggs & into the death zone.

[spiral wadi]

tbh it's not really smth to think about save for a few specific edge cases, splash icd is set per weapon move

the notable ones are axe special can only get one splash out of the multihit, hidden helix doesn't give u more splashes on regular flame special, pan gets most splashes but not all

[spark crown]

So say Eos o special and special spam

[spiral wadi]

eos special with splash is super good

kinda also since hidden helix is also not available on eos (it absolutely should)

eos is just a surprisingly powerful aspect

[vernal quiver]

Letting tk exist but not letting hidden helix be on eos is dubious work from sgg

[spiral wadi]

i got my 62 eos surface at sub 16 time

[spiral wadi]

ye, tho i think it's some sort of bug with it

eos is still crazy powerful tho regardless of hidden

i like sudden burst cuz it lets me get sun out faster

very important esp on surface where it hates u for charging omegas

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[civic salmon]

Maybe I'm losing my mind but I feel like if I have blinding rush, Bridal glow will pick it at least 5/10 times

[split igloo]

Is there a reason why when I run Fig Leaf, if I attack loading into a room that clearly has enemies, they all run away and fig leaf activates? I have yet to be scammed on it with hundreds of runs and I don't understand

[median anvil]

if fig leaf is going to activate there will be no enemies in the room

[split igloo]

Sometimes I'll show up on Olympus and after crashing down, the enemies in the room run away and it activates. Sometimes activating an encounter in the mourning fields with it on spawns two small enemies that run away off screen as it activates.

I've seen dracons just fly away as fig leaf activates for the room. :/

[median anvil]

record a video if you're on pc

[spark crown]

[spark crown]

wait how much mana does hubris 2 take per rarity?

and should a epic boon ever = 12 primed?

[vernal quiver]

6 per rarity above common iirc

[spark crown]

So yeah 12 is right my born gain happened to be good enough to prime 12 and thought it may have been bugged XD

https://imgur.com/o07eW2y Bro erebus sucks ngl

i hence forth quadruple the half respect of uw

(kidding)

also considering droping to 50-55 fear ngl

but gonna wait for the mental to be higher to throw myself at 60f again properly before decinding

96 loss streak rn

[high relic]

What is a good build for the first run in Olympus?

[frank siren]

First run? Don't worry about builds, just try to learn the enemies and boss patterns

[flint widget]

booooooooooooooooooo get this kid out

dude started a kickstarter and then scammed us out of the finished product

[regal cobalt]

where do i get s.scales from i havent had any in my inventory at all so it wont tell me

[fiery kraken]

I think it's region 4 over world?

[regal cobalt]

aqh that would make sense

i keept dying to prometheus so i barely get there

[flint widget]

just don't die to him then

ez

[regal cobalt]

wow how did i not consider that !

[frank siren]

Having any movement speed boons really helps here, apollos blinding rush is my fav

[tropic hazel]

Is there anything viable for mel staff besides Zeus + Aphro?

[frank siren]

Everything is viable but I never pick poseidon attack or special

[odd bolt]

Pretty much any combination of 2 curses will be viable for mell staff

For lower fears specially

[frank siren]

For speedruns I like Apollo the most

[flint widget]

zeus and hera

tbh even poseidon special can work with mel staff

someone cleared 62f with pos special mel staff

i feel like mel staff is pretty flexible when it comes to builds tbh

[surreal hazel]

You can just use flutter flourish and double moonshot to do victory through sheer firepower

[flint widget]

who needs orig

[regal cobalt]

Ya ty

[umbral horizon]

Have anyone tried extra dose on Anubis? Does it work?

[median anvil]

it does, why shouldn't it?

[umbral horizon]

Cuz i don't see the label "2X" when it does. Unlike the other aspects

[umbral horizon]

Just watched Haelian' build and got question

[regal cobalt]

okay rivals scylla absolutely sucks

[regal cobalt]

holy crap

i finally defeated typhon

[bleak kindle]

am i the only one finding born gain to suck?

all my mana gets primed so quickly

[median anvil]

no it's one of the best

[median anvil]

??? what aspect

stack a ton of max magick and you should be good

[elfin forge]

what if it's medea pos array lol

[median anvil]

sustainable unless it's like grit3 promacles or something

[bleak kindle]

aspect of moros

[bleak kindle]

yeah i see alot of people rating it highly but its hard for me to stack magick

maybe j bad luck

[median anvil]

clicking silver wheel is always an option

you can also take hecuba

[regal cobalt]

i dont understand what it does, from the description it sounds really bad but ppl keep saying its awesome

[cerulean panther]

Born Gain is still good but I've found myself taking it less frequently.

[alpine raft]

completely fills your magic when you run out and lowers your max for the room

[bleak kindle]

btw im a newer player so my opinion means basically nothing

[regal cobalt]

doesnt it say u prime until the next location when it fills completely, but doesnt magick refill completely anyway when u enter a new location or am i misunderstanding something

[alpine raft]

prime is lowering the maximum amount, youll see it as a purple bar on your magic

[regal cobalt]

i know

[alpine raft]

usually priming doesnt go away but born gains priming does

[odd bolt]

You need to purposefully get some magic tonics on the way, even if it means getting them over pom or other stuff, cause if you're playing a magic hungry aspect with born gain its gonna be worth it

[bleak kindle]

i think its a better boon to get closer to the end of the run

[regal cobalt]

yeah i just dont understand what the point is since magick refills in the next location anyway, so u can just not have to deal with the priming at all? or does it get rid of all priming debuffs

[odd bolt]

Let's say you have 100 magic and born gain primes 20

When you use those 100 magic, you'll immediately refill up to 80 (100-20)

Then 60

Then 40

[alpine raft]

do you understand what a gain does? im not sure where the confusion is

[regal cobalt]

oh i see

[odd bolt]

Not really

[fiery kraken]

And then next room you get that 100 again

[odd bolt]

For moros you kinda need it early specially if youre going for fine line ocean swell stuff

[bleak kindle]

yeah thats my issue right

[regal cobalt]

lowk still dont get the hype then, u can just use magick regenerating arcana or boons ifl those r more effective

[bleak kindle]

i have the born gain prime, fine line also primes and ocean swell eats my magick

i only start with 60 magick and getting max magick is gacha

[cerulean panther]

Fine Line doesn't Prime Magick, it increases the cost of Omega moves.

[elfin forge]

So if you have a common born gain and 100 mana, you effectively have 300 mana to use to clear out that room
If you have 200 mana, you have 1100

[odd bolt]

There's no magic regen in the game strong enough to handle some very mana hungry aspects

[bleak kindle]

wait mb

[odd bolt]

Other than born gain

[cerulean panther]

Nah, Flood Gain and a high Plasma rate Grisly Gain will sustain like Born Gain.

[fiery kraken]

Born gain isnt set it and forget it. Better on small magic charges (if you use 45 for an omega the breakpoints can make you unable to use many activations before you prime). You also want a good amount of base mafic

[odd bolt]

On a moros fine line build?

[cerulean panther]

Flood Gain is arguably the best Gain in the game, it's incredible. You have infinite Magick while it's active.

[regal cobalt]

makes sense, i dont usually play black coat or the torches (i forget their names) so i probably wouldnt have had use for it

[odd bolt]

Maybe a high level grisly with all other plasma boons around it sure

[alpine raft]

infinite magic 50% of the time w flood or 100% of the time with born

[cerulean panther]

Before Plasma was capped I Primed out against Typhon with Born Gain.

[bleak kindle]

im doing a moros ripple effect run rn and testing lucid gain

[cerulean panther]

Make sure you drop a Cast every opportunity.

[bleak kindle]

yeah thats what im doing lol

[odd bolt]

But that totally depends on your max magic

And the damage you're dishing out

[cerulean panther]

Sure, the speed I was attacking was starting to interfere with my set-up and damage loop.

I don't remember how much Magick I had.

[bleak kindle]

i just got my first max magick near end of oceanus

[odd bolt]

How

they show up a lot on erebus

[bleak kindle]

bad luck i suppose

[fiery kraken]

Do you have artificer?

[elfin forge]

chat do you prefer bones or ash

[odd bolt]

Assuming I don't have chrolex or artificer depends on the aspect

I mean, ashes gives max HP bones give max mana

[elfin forge]

even for an omegaspect though, do you take +5 mana or +5 hp

[unreal rose]

If I need mana bones if I need hp ash if I don't need anything but still have to choose I'll go ash probably

I often need mana because humility though

[frank siren]

Bones bc white antler

[umbral horizon]

Lucid gain need winner circle, unless it's not enough for Fine Line

[vernal quiver]

most of the time ash, i dont play mana weapons most of the time

[vernal quiver]

holy ass run, just had a warmup 62 not get a single attack, special, or cast worth my time until fields and it was hestia cast

i timed out on cerb 🥀 still got through but then i timed out on p3 gramps cuz like i just had no goddamn damage

like the god pool was aphro, and her attack/special got denialed because i needed the dash for orig, heph, demeter who gave me cast gusts, snow queen, then never showed up again, and then hestia to give me cast in fields

it was actually abysmal

[alpine raft]

what weapon

[vital otter]

is it possible to beat the time out with the axe? it feels so slow but its my favorite weapon i just started my higher fear journey

[alpine raft]

are you cancelling the last hit of the attack string

[vernal quiver]

circe ofc 🥀 its all i play atp

[alpine raft]

that was my first guess lol. how about aphro cast?

[vernal quiver]

i thought about it but i didnt take it since i wanted to be greedy for zeus or hestia since that 4th god for the pool was open until fields

and id of had to commit to it in erebus which felt a bit early to commit that hard for a 62

shoutout rivals scyall for being the most bs fight in this game 🗣️ 🔥 i love how she can just end up layering 5 different things on top of eachother so i cant tell wtf is going on

[alpine raft]

after some runs like that ive started to just take the first cast that im offered

unless it denials smt real good like blinding rush

[vernal quiver]

maybe i should just start doing that yeah

also shoutout me being used to every single UW boss now besides scylla

like i can do hecate and cerb without dropping lovers super consistently now, gramps i get pretty damn close assuming i dont get a mean pattern, scylla just just evil 😔

[vital otter]

yeah ofc but im still clearing the first region with like 1 minute to spare

[vernal quiver]

That's just erebus tbf

And axe on its own for high fear is very hammer dependant

[vital otter]

im down to make it work

[vernal quiver]

Which aspect actually??

[vital otter]

the OG aspect, i like charon recently, and thanatos is cool i guess

i like all of them

[vernal quiver]

Ahh ok yeah mel aspect fr is just get dashing heave and seething marauder, otherwise you dont have a weapon lol

But thats like 62+ kinda mentality ig

[vital otter]

on the real though the only boss im having trouble with is rivals cerberus

kinda insane

[scarlet ferry]

How does Hephaestus attack work with Nightspawn? Does each half of the attack cause an explosion or only the one that hits first?

[alpine raft]

are you hitting his combo breaker

[vital otter]

no im not

im getting hit a lot by the paw slaps and floor bursting aoe combo

it just adds up

cause if i dont stay near him he does the unavoidable fire breath

[spiral wadi]

ye u basically r expected to stay on cerb as much as possible which is kinda ass with the ground shockwaves (volcano rupture things) too

i find it's easier if u have a consistent slow effect like gust or cold storage freeze to put on cerb

[vernal quiver]

Its a bit unintuituve but you gotta time the dash to the wave and not the slam itself

[spiral wadi]

for the paw slaps ye the slap has no hitbox, only the shockwave does

[vernal quiver]

I also like to back out a little bit when I see him start a slam so its more consistent and I can dash back in

[vital otter]

yeah thats another thing cerb is so far into the run taht sometimes i dont even get to practice him that much so its weird to stay on the timing

might just lower the fear and practice avoiding i guess

[spiral wadi]

ye it's a good idea to lower fear if it's too difficult to reach key bosses

i find it's good to mainly lower hordes since bosses don't have hordes

[vital otter]

idek how i beat him on 32

daggers for life

[narrow steeple]

Does Air Quality work on Hestia's Heat Rush?

[scarlet ferry]

yes

[narrow steeple]

awesome.. thanks

[vernal quiver]

i cant be the only one that feels like hecate's split wave thing has the most inconsistent hitbox ever right??

since like i dont get hit when im right next to her but when im very clearly 30ft to the right of the damn thing i get hit twice

[surreal hazel]

Same way it always works. If any attack or omega attack hits, you get one kaboom centered on that hit and volcanic strike goes on cooldown.

The kaboom is entirely it's own thing and does not scale in any way based on the move that triggered it

Same with any special hit on volcanic flourish

[odd bolt]

Would be crazy if it duplicated with nightspawn

Or other stuff, like morrigan oattack

[lilac sigil]

What's the strategy for Aspect of Pan?
Reminds me of Chiron bow, obviously (and how slow its gimmick felt)

[scarlet ferry]

Since the description of nightspawn specifically says the attack "is split in two," I think it'd make since for aspect of Nyx but nothing else

[scarlet ferry]

Poseidon special is good

[odd bolt]

Poseidon special but honestly is still kinda bad

[odd bolt]

Fair, but would be interesting if it worked like that

[surreal hazel]

That would require the game to track three cooldowns just for that

[scarlet ferry]

No. I'm not saying each should have their own cooldown. Whenever Heph attack is off cooldown, if the next attack is in nightspawn, both halves explode

[surreal hazel]

Eh. That'd be a total rewrite of how blasts work

[misty patio]

What are the best sister blades in your opinion? Maybe Artemis?

[vernal quiver]

uhh mel or morrigan

generally morrigan

[misty patio]

I see

I just unlocked Shiva's gaunlets

I was getting nightmares for upgrading, so I wanted to know what to prioritize

[odd bolt]

if you liked morrigan its good to upgrade it cause the extra damage is good

i think the upgrade for shiva is like max stacks of destructive which isnt really that needed

[misty patio]

right know, what I have upgrated the most are: Circe, Charon, Artemis & Mel, Medea and just unlocked shiva

[misty patio]

that's good to know

[odd bolt]

You can focus on upgrading the aspects you like the most to be honest, eventually you'll be able to get all of them to rank 5

[spark crown]

[umbral horizon]

We need it for a "one punch man" build

[prime wing]

guys whats the best magic regen boon?

for omega spam builds

[viral yew]

Born or lucid gain

[vernal quiver]

Generally flood or born gain

[viral yew]

Flood is good too

[vernal quiver]

Lucid is good too, cardio is weapon specific

[prime wing]

how is born gain good

its heras right?

on moros torches cardio gain feels p good from what i tried

[vernal quiver]

Once you have enough base magic youll basically never prime out

[prime wing]

wdym

if it primes it till the next location then u cant use it ?

like if its all primed and ur in a boss fight what are you gonna do

i feel like im misunderstanding what it does

[vernal quiver]

Since the way it works is once you channel something that you dont have enough mana for, itl complelty refill your mana but prime an amount determined by pom and rarity until the next room

It requires a good base amount of mana to make effective but once you have that it's the best gain boon by a mile

[prime wing]

oh so it just essentially doubles ur bar?

[broken spoke]

Unless you are doing something like p.array or some sudden burst fine line ocean swell etalent torch you usually won't prime out

[vernal quiver]

More than that, it keeps refilling until you prime out

[prime wing]

i think i should just try it

ill understand it better

[vernal quiver]

So say you have 100, the first time will prime say 12 and your new max is 88, then 76, then 64, so in until you prime out fully, its constantly refilling for you

[broken spoke]

You need to keep your magick pool decently high

A lot of time 150~200 with born gain is enough

[prime wing]

so when the new max becomes 88 it refills it to 88? and then when u go the next location it goes back to 100?

[vernal quiver]

So with that same example, youd go from 100 mana to an effective 400+

[vernal quiver]

Yep

[prime wing]

thats actually so good you dont even have to think about it

[broken spoke]

Yea, biggest benefit is no extra work needed

[prime wing]

i always go for cardio on my torches bc it flows well

[vernal quiver]

Yup, all you need is a good base amount of mana to work with so take as many mana pots as you can

[broken spoke]

Just need to path into some magick reward sometimes

[prime wing]

yeah i spread them out but i stop at like 170 at that point i feel like im milking it

[vernal quiver]

When it comes to bosses most will be dead before the priming actually starts mattering too

[prime wing]

ive another question whats a good aggressive weapon that isnt very hyper specific?

[broken spoke]

Nergal

[prime wing]

like alot of weapons are like “just spam omega special”

[broken spoke]

Face tank weapon

[vernal quiver]

A lot of weapons actually dont touch omegas much at all

[prime wing]

whats that

[vernal quiver]

Circe staff is a good example

[broken spoke]

Hidden axe

[vernal quiver]

Hidden axe aspect

[prime wing]

my current fav weapon is moros torches

feels really smooth

its very simple tho

oh how do i get the hidden aspects?

is it chaos trials

[vernal quiver]

Unlock every aspect, max level a non melinoe aspect, then talk to a respective npc

[prime wing]

oh is that how you get anubis too?

[vernal quiver]

Yup

[prime wing]

thats annoying

i need to beat typhon like 2 more times to even finish the story

[vernal quiver]

Staff: circe
Axe: charon
Coat: selene
Knives: Artemis
Flames: moros
Skull: medea
If you wanna know every npc you need to talk to for the hidden aspects to save time

[prime wing]

i dont have all weapons unlocked thats the problem

[split igloo]

I didn't have to unlock them all for 3 of my aspects. I just had to have the NPC aspects max level. Got Anubis on night 18.

[broken lichen]

Question, if you rarify a boon but don't pick it, is it completely wasted?

[median anvil]

yes

[vernal quiver]

Why would you rarify something and not take it 🥀

[broken spoke]

Misclick

[forest hinge]

should you go for big % or on-hit effect on mel torches?

[vernal quiver]

Depends, are you doing Oattack or special spam

[forest hinge]

Oattack

[vernal quiver]

Then big%

Then special ends up as an origination filler or hitch

[vital otter]

Who do I speak to for the hidden axe

[manic shuttle]

charon

[grim current]

Why does Wounds specify it adds power to the weapon upon application?

Does that mean it scales with attack/special +x% DMG modifier a la Huntress?

[vernal quiver]

Yeah thats why the damage number is high only for that first hit, i.e. a wounds special on staff(40 base) + wounds power(50?) So 90 plus is small modifier of say 50% makes that first hit 135 but every sequential hit would only be 60

[grim current]

Does that include its own +40% DMG boost?

[vernal quiver]

Yeah, damage calc proceeds as normal so (weapon power + wounds power) * any applicable % stuff

But again that big hit is only present for the application of wounds, so once every 3 seconds iirc

[grim current]

Does this contribute to why Ares' Strike/Flourish boons are considered inferior versus the others?

[vernal quiver]

Yeah, every 3 seconds is pretty limiting when things will be dead before that matters on top of wounds not actually doing anything

They gave him a low % scaling to compensate for the wounds power increase which just makes it when wounds is on you have subpar damage to say hera who also gives hitch utility

Its less hes bad since he isn't, just everything hes surrounded by is kinda crazy

So let's use the staff attack sequence as an example, 20 -> 25 -> 60

[grim current]

It would've been better if the base Wounds DMG was closer to ~100 or so & it being considered Olympian DMG?

I'd admire a low-scaling +x% DMG boon the Curse it applies is just that fast-acting & great in DMG.

But you guys present the idea Wounds doesn't nearly provide as much DMG or fast enough.

[vernal quiver]

Let me snag actual boon numbers to give examples

Ares common 1 is 20% and hera common 1 is 50%, assuming the staff sequence ares would get 84(wounds) -> 30 -> 72 totaling 186 while hera would get 30 -> 37 -> 90 totaling about 157, while ares does more in this short time span, you have to consider other things like how wounds does actually nothing and every hit that wounds is on you do less than anything else

And because of that ares slowly falls off compared to consistency from hera while also lacking utility

[tawny arrow]

Confuse the fates

[vernal quiver]

Because in the next attack sequence you wont be getting wounds application so you fall off catastrophically

Ares wins a sprint, anyone else wins a marathon(of like 3+ seconds lmao)

[tawny arrow]

That kinda fits his spirit in a way

And wounds isn't completely useless with the right boons

AND flat dmg increase can be a lot more beneficial than % if you already have big % from other sources

[grim current]

It's why Ares' Strike/Flourish boons look so appealing to me.

[vernal quiver]

You lose to literally anything else because wounds gives zero utility compared to demeter freeze, hitch giving insahe room clear, Apollo giving backstab, aphro being huge

[surreal hazel]

It is olympian damage

[vernal quiver]

Things die in like half a second anyway that isn't a boss, and against a boss ares will lose the long run

[surreal hazel]

Throw it on persephone skull, watch her sprout gauge go up when you wound something

[tawny arrow]

Flat dmg is much rarer than % in this game and increases linearly, while also gettibg improved by %
It's like chips vs mult in balatro if anybody played that
Mult is more sought after but in the end you need chips for mult to do anything

[grim current]

Darkest Dungeon has me in a mathematical chokehold. I cannot bear to add too many additive +x% DMG buffs together lest I get diminishing returns. Scorch & Splash for the attack/specials with a high fire rate. Blitz & Hephaestus Blasts for the attacks/specials with a slow fire rate.

[tawny arrow]

Again wounds does have extra utility with the right boons

[grim current]

It feels so satisfying to get Furnace Blast (apply Glow via Hephaestus blasts).

[vernal quiver]

The same sequence with aphrodite she wins, 40 -> 50 -> 120 totaling 210

Hitch will give damage to entire rooms, Apollo backstab puts him over ares too

[surreal hazel]

Ares is vood for his duos more than most. Also sword ring is slept on

[vernal quiver]

The main redeeming quality of wounds is easy orig and the mini crit boon, but there will always be a stronger option due to curse utility

And again the second you play out that attack sequence a couple times he loses hard since wound application is once every 3 seconds

[surreal hazel]

Heinous affront with light smite is why you want wounds

[tawny arrow]

Forgot plasma and his devious duos

[vernal quiver]

Im talking in high fear context where youre not getting duos easy and consistently

Low fear do whatever literally nothing matters

[vernal quiver]

Plasma takes a gross amount of investment compared to literally anything else

[surreal hazel]

Fourth degree is hilarious though

[tawny arrow]

Ares takes a little more set up but can overtake other gods in the end
The fact that you play exclusively on ultra nightmare death mode doesn't subtract from his value

[surreal hazel]

+300 power fireball

[vernal quiver]

No he cant outdo hera or zeus as much as he wants to try

[surreal hazel]

it is a shame his infusion is literally unworkable at high fear

[vernal quiver]

Hitch is crazy and blitz is crazier

[surreal hazel]

you're never getting 8 earth

[tawny arrow]

Managed it at like 50 fear?

[surreal hazel]

did you need Creation?

[grim current]

I have Nergal. I currently have Zeus' Strike & Hephaestus' Flourish.
Strength's native +20% DMG, Greater Girth's +15% DMG, Heroic Glow's +30% DMG (5s cooldown), Tall Order's +25% DMG. It sums up to +90% DMG. I so fiercely avoid +x% DMG Strike/Flourish boons.
Is this run an exception than the rule that not equipping a +x% Strike/Flourish was beneficial?

[tawny arrow]

Is that the chaos boon? I don't remember names by heart

[vernal quiver]

Zeus is zeus thats kinda hard to talk about

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, +all five elements

[vernal quiver]

Taking blitz on atk is plenty valid sinxe you hit hard enough anyway and arcflash exists

[tawny arrow]

Dunno but don't think so

[vernal quiver]

Blitz will be more valuable than basically everything else you could put on in most cases

[tawny arrow]

Had demeter tho

[surreal hazel]

nergal already has a big base power, so +% is fine. Plus you have things like hitch etc that are great

[tawny arrow]

He can give me the power of coke (not the drink) and surround me with a bazillion pink balls of death

And the moment i start playing a game purely in a sanitized, ultra optimized way is the moment i'll stop playing it as well

[surreal hazel]

watch me playing on match hordes, grit and rivals just to play around with builds and have fun that way

[grim current]

I have Demeter's Circle & Aphrodite's Gain as my additional curses.

[surreal hazel]

curses are good for more than just origination, but that should be fine

[grim current]

Fecund hell. After 5 failed attempts, I finally managed to do 16 Fear Nergal.

[tawny arrow]

Good job

Now 62f

[grim current]

Nergal is very fun.

I'm better with Thanatos.

[tawny arrow]

Problem with nergal is that it makes you sloppy

But i also enjoy trading blows and seeing big healing

[tawny arrow]

The anti nergal

[upbeat matrix]

nergal is so weird to use, and like I havent gone super high fear with nergal but it feel alot harder in bosses than rooms

[tawny arrow]

Cus it's too slow for bosses and the healing works a lot better when hitting 20 enemies at the same time rather than 1 or 2 bosses

[upbeat matrix]

eh yeah thats very true

[tawny arrow]

That's why it falls off in high fear
The main factors there are winning boss battle and being fast enough
Nergal messes up both

[upbeat matrix]

yeah I got my 32Fears for the first time w nergal but when I seriously started climbing fear I had to stop playing that weapon

I play mostly Eos on high fear climb but ill try branching out to other weapons

for axe im not sure which aspect to try but might lean to thanatos

[bleak kindle]

so i have 200 total magick im in a fight against chronos rn and i no more magick to use

im running aspect of moros btw

[upbeat matrix]

use attacks and dash in and use a normal special that might help

the special should hit attacks ideally

do u have hecuba by any chance

[bleak kindle]

im not that far into the game

i just died to chronos but alg

just regretting switching from lucid gain to born gain mid run

[upbeat matrix]

Yeah with born gain you need to keep taking mana pots so that you dont prime out

[bleak kindle]

i took so many tho

[surreal hazel]

Negal hits like a truck, and its whirlwind and Cleaver are weird in that it grows bigger with each pulse

[upbeat matrix]

what boons did you have for attack and special and how did u use the weapon

[bleak kindle]

tbh i was trying to get ripple effect but didnt realise how many poseidon boons i needed to start with

[upbeat matrix]

did you have an omega special up while you used omega attacks

[surreal hazel]

You need a posideon core a hera core, and then an omega-proc boon from at least one of them

[bleak kindle]

yes i just ran out of magick so

[bleak kindle]

i had fine line, hera attac and ocean swell i think

[upbeat matrix]

consider silver wheel if you have born gain next time. Also did you kill all the healing bots in chronos fight?

[surreal hazel]

Missing a posideon core then

(Assuming you know what I mean by core, because it's not a term the game exactly uses)

I also think Born Gain gets over-hyped as the best gain boon

it's a great unthinking gain for medium mana usage. Once you go full fine-line etc... then you want something sustainable or really go hard on mana tonics

For obscene mana usage I personally recommend Lucid, Flood and situationally a few others (Cardio, Tranquil or, heck, even Grisly)

and while everyone glazes Zeus as a god generally (because Blitz and Storm ring are lolgood), boy does he have a few stinkers

[surreal hazel]

To mention Blitz here for extreme fear, one of the things it really has going for it is a near immunity to wards, since it procs just after you've hit them once to apply blitz and then smacked them at least once more to proc it

[tawny arrow]

Wdym a few stinkers? There is nothing more important that doing 50 damage to a single enemy when you use an omega move

[surreal hazel]

Hurrrr, (Although it becomes kinda decent with mirrored thrasher)

but it's kinda funny that ionic gain went from a total mess of a boon to just.... meh

I honestly think the worst part of Power Surge is the paltry range it has on the lightning strike

[tawny arrow]

It would've been good if you could get really high magick or if other gains restored less magick per use
Cus restoring ALL magick sounds great on paper until you realize lucid gains also restores all your magick since you only have like 100

[surreal hazel]

or that Tranquil gain is basically the same thing but you can do it anywhere

[tawny arrow]

Anyways flood gain goated love uncle poseidon

[surreal hazel]

Flood gain was so slept on when it was released before people realised how it worked

and it still has some amusing bugs since it has a few layers to how it works

[tawny arrow]

Yeah i basically never used it cus i was used to alpha or beta poseidon or whatever

Then i picked it out of curiosity once and never looked back

[surreal hazel]

Still kinda funny how it works with mirrored and possessed array

[digital juniper]

i’d say in most cases flood is second best to born

[surreal hazel]

it's like, 3 different effects stacked up

There's the effect that lets you cast for free if it's not on cooldown

there's the flood state that only starts if you use an omega move, specifically, this state is what tries to regen mana equal to the omega move you just used

and then there's cooldown mode which stops the other two effects

Mirrored thrasher will proc the first state but not the second, so you don't get a refund, but you don't proc flood state or the cooldown either, so lol free mirrored

possessed array is allowed to be cast for free, but it is an omega move so it starts flood state, but it's a magicka loss so nothing is refunded but you can still use possessed array until the cooldown kicks in, so it's still good

[tawny arrow]

Born overhyped as Hel

Was that good a few updates ago but people are just riding it now like it's the best thing ever

[surreal hazel]

it was the only gain in EA1 and I don't think people have realigned expectations

add in Hubris and Born Gain can quickly turn into a total stinker

[tawny arrow]

Yeah dude i don't think i ever picked born gain in high fear

I'm fighting tooth and nail for every piece of magick and i don't wanna waste rooms on getting extra bottles either

[surreal hazel]

it was so busted though

10/8/6/4 primed mana

first pom reduced it by 2, second by 1, all other poms did nothing

you could have born gain prime one mana

[tawny arrow]

Yeah beta born gain was busted af

[surreal hazel]

and everything else suuuuuuuuucked

[tawny arrow]

I don't even remember anything else

I was huffing that gain day and night

[surreal hazel]

I do, they were mostly variations on a steady mana/sec based on some pretty harsh conditions

[digital juniper]

born is still very good if you manage your mana lmao

[surreal hazel]

but you have to

whereas other gains are a one-stop-shop

Flood's biggest benefit is that it really doesn't much care about your overall cap

[tawny arrow]

"Gain 5 mana/sec for 0.25 seconds every time zeus farts when there's a lighting shaped cloud in the sky directly above the 3rd pillar of olympus"

Good old beta

[surreal hazel]

Ionic gain "Lol -80% mana cap but an okayish regen, take static shock, I dare you"

[tawny arrow]

Oh my god it's all coming back to me

The horrors

[surreal hazel]

it actually was coherent with the old Spirit Surge

just not very good

Causing a lightning strike every 5 seconds to everything in the level was kinda crazy in the fields though

"Oops I just aggroed the entire level"

they then realised that adding all of these cool omega moves and then making zeus the god that stops you using omegas was kinda dumb

[tropic hazel]

What's the best familair for staff?

[viral yew]

Which aspect and what are u tryna do

[tropic hazel]

Melinoe aspect. As for the other question don't know, just complete the whole run?

[viral yew]

Then raki, frinos, or gale are fine

[tropic hazel]

How do I upgraade them? I've got only Frinos and some snacks but I see no other companions

[tawny arrow]

If you only have frinos in the crossroads then you need to find the other familiars around the levels and give them a scooby snack

[vernal quiver]

If you just wanna know where they are
||raki: erebus fountain room
Hecuba: echo room
Gale: pre prom shop
Toula: thessaly entrance||

[regal cobalt]

scooby snack lmao

[spark crown]

These were the days

[flint widget]

as an unseen player im thankful i didn't get to see this part of early access

most of gain boons being ass back then hurts my soul

[spark crown]

Must be nice

[vital otter]

Yeah that makes sense I haven’t talked to him since I opened the game for the first time

[lament ivy]

Glamour Gain is so bad when you constantly need Magick 😭

I had a build with medea and possessed array and my only saving grace was I was killing everything I got close to too early

[manic shuttle]

it's great for weapons with low or no Magick usage. won't be enough for possessed array ofc lol

[rain grove]

Hi everyone, a question about hex: all of them have an upgrade with "after you use it, you get +X something". Does this stack? Like if I get +5% damage and I use the hex twice during the fight do I get +10%?

Also I reached twice the final boss in the mountains but I don't get how should I kill him. Do I need to do something before being able to do damage?

[viral yew]

No

[viral yew]

He doesn't have a visible healthbar but you can kill him

[manic shuttle]

+5% nodes can stack by selecting multiple of them, but not by the number of times u use the hex

[rain grove]

Thanks, I thought so but better be suee

[rain grove]

Oh ok, so I need to keep hitting him. I thought I was doing something wrong

[tropic hazel]

Am I feeling something wrong or Rival Eris is weaker than her usual self? I mean she has more HP, but all attacks feel easier to dodge