h2-builds-and-combat

[spark crown]

90% sure i got a twitch channel promo scam in my dms XD

[flint widget]

are u still live

[spark crown]

nope

family stuff came up

[spark crown]

cuz of this once i clear 60f im going to 67f

[flint widget]

ok that's crazy

change ur username then

[spark crown]

thanks discord for responding to the wrong message

really apreciate it

[vernal quiver]

uh huh

[spark crown]

^ ment to reply to this one

[flint widget]

good boy

[spark crown]

you dont trust T_T

[spark crown]

https://tenor.com/view/itachi-itachi-uchiha-naruto-anime-gif-gif-6980510505105788152

[vernal quiver]

dawg if i cant get past sirens on 67f i dont think youre getting past like erebus miniboss 😭

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/rhythm-heaven-karate-man-true-morgan-freeman-meme-gif-12801464820158524564

[vernal quiver]

tbf i havent actually been trying 67f for a while, just 65f hel as been mean rng wise

[flint widget]

that's so cold

🥶

[spark crown]

nah trust in the process

67f surface

[vernal quiver]

dawg 67f surface is harder 😭

[spark crown]

right now surface is easier for me XD

[flint widget]

that's crazy

[spark crown]

erebus is lowkey

[vernal quiver]

im sure once you start getting to olympus that opinion will change asap

[spark crown]

https://tenor.com/view/ghostface-cook-mortal-kombat-gif-5639148985509038084

you punch a brick wall enough youll eventually break it

[flint widget]

that's so tuff

https://tenor.com/view/larry-larry-baby-ai-baby-laughing-ai-baby-baby-gif-17394836155970552795

[bitter wren]

so tuff

😎

[spark crown]

Stop tryna ragebait me -_- with your gen alpha language

[flint widget]

nah it's the meta

[old plover]

Does Success Rate from Hermes buff critical strike chance?

[flint widget]

yeah

[old plover]

owo

[spark crown]

yup

[flint widget]

bro what

[median anvil]

yeah except on raki

your boi 🫱 raki can only get buffed by that circe offering

[flint widget]

primal psychic connection

[old plover]

But it does work on the innate crit chance on Meli flames then I assume?

[median anvil]

it should since it works on thanatos

[old plover]

aight

[vernal quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1455538411296395334/image.png?ex=69551747&is=6953c5c7&hm=97b6ebad4c90c91dbddc89ca7fa905afd86529251a2af49b5ed555f7813cd88c&
as much as i wanna complain this is still better that 90% of what ive had today

getting a pos/hestia attack in erebus on its own is a blessing

[flint widget]

hey at least you got an attack boon

[vernal quiver]

then nothing good from judgment but boatman and lovers 🥀

[old plover]

I was about to say "hey you got level 5 attack" and then noticed JPom lol.

[vernal quiver]

if i wasnt playing jpom i dont think hel could even think about doing this high of fear lmao

[flint widget]

also i forgot to mention someone beat 62f hel without an attack boon

[vernal quiver]

lmao nice

[clear goblet]

how come aspect of charon doesnt use smoldering ring?

[flint widget]

an attack boon? in this economy?

[old plover]

Still relying on their attack? Or like, with a special-focussed playstyle?

[old plover]

Smolder Ring needs the cast to stay up.

Charon detonates the cast right away.

[flint widget]

omega special but they used attack also yea

[old plover]

So you want a cast that deals all of its damage at once.

[clear goblet]

i meant to say glowing goal

[flint widget]

bro thats two different things

how do u misspell glowing coal completely

also glowing coal is decent on charon tbh

[clear goblet]

i dont remember the boons

[old plover]

I'd guess the "optimal" build just doesn't want Hestia, bc there's four technically better gods?

[flint widget]

yeah plus howling soul exists which is a better version of glowing coal

[old plover]

I don't know which boon name you meant to type, but Howling Soul is not a boon that I know

[flint widget]

hades boon

[old plover]

AH nevermind

[flint widget]

aint no way

[old plover]

Yeah I was not thinking about Hades boons at all

[clear goblet]

is there no other boon like glowing coal except hades

[old plover]

There is Lightning Lance

[flint widget]

lightning lance exists

but tbh i don't really like it since aiming the lance is ass

tbh ranged casts except howling suck ass on charon since u have to get the cast out immediately or else you'll be dealing dookie damage

[vernal quiver]

uh huh and oceanus wasnt too much better

i got stabbing rush so im hoping for arterial tbh

[flint widget]

stabbing?

what other options did u get offered

[vernal quiver]

also worlds worse judgment istg

[vernal quiver]

uhhhh sword ring and mutual destruction

[flint widget]

bro you should've chosen mutual

[vernal quiver]

i didnt want sword ring since i wanted a curse on cast(got hestia) and mutual i shouldnt be getting hit tbf

[flint widget]

cuz then u have a reason to get hit 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[vernal quiver]

lmao

[flint widget]

if u have mutual getting hit is excusable

[vernal quiver]

setting up arterial i think is a fine decision, especially since im still wanting to fish for king tide

[flint widget]

u can just say oh im just triggering mutual on purpose

[vernal quiver]

also shoutout me keeping 27 points of lifetax into fields

i probably e.hammer here yeah??

[flint widget]

why

[vernal quiver]

im at full so gonion is a waste and no dds

so pin is still a risk

[flint widget]

what hammers do u have

[vernal quiver]

and i dont wanna take gorgon since i dont wanna miss death or orig

leering and thats it

but no hammers brick hel so :P its a zero risk option

[flint widget]

are u playing autofire hel

pray for runic driver ez game

[vernal quiver]

ofc its 65f Ospecial is just not viable

[vernal quiver]

ong

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/tiger-tiger-woods-big-dog-salutation-what-up-gif-2478767235926945002

[vernal quiver]

we hit colossus driver 🥀

[flint widget]

eh that's fine

[vernal quiver]

its fine just get runic off of fields hamer trust

[flint widget]

it eliminates one hammer from the pool

what special boon do u have btw

[vernal quiver]

none lmao

[flint widget]

surely we hit zeus special in fields right

[vernal quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1455542324208730297/image.png?ex=69551aec&is=6953c96c&hm=ab433056087744ff8b351bce2c92b3b430193398b99130b53e8b16b5ed44d443&
everything i have

[median anvil]

hel should've had wide grin available
base attack becomes a triple shotgun blast
Valkyrie form turns you into mega titan slaying laser blast super murder 3000

[vernal quiver]

i mean the pool is still open

[flint widget]

ares special is also decent tbh

[vernal quiver]

yeah i kinda liked it, atp ill take anything half decent on it though just so its useful

[median anvil]

ok but colossus goes hard with danaid

[flint widget]

the new parray for hel

instead of wide grin we get wide blast

[vernal quiver]

also shoutout 2 node fields

if i didnt have the worlds messiest miniboss wed lowkey be cooking

i will always hate the one with all the ads and the punching guy

[flint widget]

phantom

[median anvil]

the zesty vampire

[flint widget]

das ez

ion wanna get sucked off by some random ass vampire

i wanna give all of my blood to medea

my goat

[vernal quiver]

thats actually so stupid, there was a dark spiller fangs and an actual dark spiller so i just couldnt see anything and now im at 8hp

like thanks game i love how i just couldnt get to see the screen

yeah i die right after because seeing anything in this game is a challenge because god forbid they design enemies to not have 30 gazzlion effects

also i had the worlds worst judgment luck, no furies, orig, or death by fields

[median anvil]

kill the actual spiller first they have 0 hp

[vernal quiver]

yeah guess what i literally couldnt see them

since i was in the fangs spiller shadow the acual spiler shadow overlapped so my screen was 90% dark

like i genuinley couldnt see a damn thing

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1455545436080439377/image.png?ex=69551dd2&is=6953cc52&hm=313740216434cc1ddd34e3d5f84bf81de617e12d84d8fbccf19e6d144f756863&
rare fast erebus

also shoutout posiedon for not giving me his attack when there were 2 cores left to fill that i didnt already denial so it was >50%

[spark crown]

1/4 respect not 67 fear surface

[median anvil]

get pyro asap

[vernal quiver]

you cant even get past poly consistently at 60 i dont wanna hear it

[spark crown]

I CAN THO

25 winstreak vs poly

[vernal quiver]

thats the plan 🥀 cant wait for hestia to never show up again

[spark crown]

ragebaiting me is a low blow T_T

(im kididng)

[vernal quiver]

ive been stuck on this dogass weapon for so long 🥀

[spark crown]

🥀

[vernal quiver]

ive had like 5 runs get to fields and like 2 to chronos, im just being messy and getting some of the worst luck known to man

[flint widget]

try being ronaldo then

[narrow flint]

supay is peak i aint even leveled it up fully and i destroy typhon (no fear as i am scared)

[flint widget]

supay with forfeit is straight up torture without gigaros dash tho

[narrow flint]

who needs gigaros dash when you can just hestia

and other gods and stuff

[flint widget]

when u have forfeit on well yeah u need gigaros

[narrow flint]

ohhhh

i realized what forfeit does

that sucks lol

[flint widget]

supay does dookie dmg with forfeit

[narrow flint]

i'll take your word ofr it

[flint widget]

yeah i beat 62f supay on both routes, trust me they're hell lmao

[vernal quiver]

its insane how many times hestia has given me flourish, cast, and cardio/dash as boon options

like at least 10+ times this whole night of tries its been that exact setup

[narrow flint]

lol

[old plover]

I'm currently struggling with Rival Hecate on Haste 2. She consistently hits me with her hex with no chance to dodge, most of her invulnerable-attacks turn into one giant bullet hell when combined with the shade witches, and the torches make it hard to keep moving since I need to stand still to attack. Any advise?

Using Meli torches

[flint widget]

u can dash while channeling ur attacks

[old plover]

Yeah I'm aware

[flint widget]

also hidden helix special spam exists that gives u more mobility than attack spam

[median anvil]

you have to find small openings in her hexes to deal damage

[old plover]

Is Hidden Helix one of the hammers?

[median anvil]

+1 orb on specials

[flint widget]

op on mel torches

spin 2 win mel torches gotta be one of my top 10 favorite builds

[old plover]

Which boon is good with that? Also just poseidon?

[flint widget]

ion care what anyone says i love special spam

aphro special

hera special

on hit special

[median anvil]

plenty of boons go well on torch specials

[old plover]

I've mostly been using Hera and Hephaestus, and relying mostly on my attacks for the actual DPS, but I will try that special spam.

[austere cypress]

spin2win build go crazy

[old plover]

Okay special spam makes the Hecate fight much easier

[flint widget]

yeah it's the goat

idk why people keep slandering me for doing special spam torches

[old plover]

And I guess I can still get a good attack boon for room clears later.

Although not sure if that's even needed

[flint widget]

when you have hidden helix special spam u don't need an attack boon

u can just spin 2 win the game

[upbeat matrix]

Mel torches are super versatile so you can build into either attack or special imo

[old plover]

When an encounter is skipped via Fig Leaf, do well items (like Cyclops Jerky etc.) still tick down?

[flint widget]

yeah

[upbeat matrix]

Have you tried eternity with mel/moros torches? It helps if you feel like you get hit a ton

[old plover]

Which one was Eternity again?

[upbeat matrix]

It's the arcana card that slows enemies for 1.2 secs when you use omega moves. Top row 2nd from rightmost

[old plover]

I think I've had it active at some point? Not sure anymore.

I don't think it's in my current loadout, but then again I did redo my loadout for special spam.

[upbeat matrix]

Eternity is good if you lean in to omega moves if you want safety

But then special spam doesn't need you to play for omegas tbh

[calm pike]

Ah an epic sea star at the start allowing me to get a lvl 14 ares cast, fun

[vernal quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1455576808857665557/image.png?ex=69553b0a&is=6953e98a&hm=4375fb6ab661a485710c612eb79a69fa6fb13af5e14b9ce8d655ac129836e934&
my gut says take antler, my brain says take pin

[flint widget]

antler

ur timer sucks anyway

[vernal quiver]

this weapon sucks 🥀

ill antler though ig, lovers, hotpot + evade3x, i should be ok

omfg im gonna scream

i actually hate how unlucky this goddamn rotation is on him like wtf is this

and im just convinced the 4 line dash isnt dodgable unless you have movement speed because wtaf

[flint widget]

maybe its a skill issue

[old plover]

Now the only thing I need to figure out is how to win vs Chronos with Antler when my attack has like no range to speak of.

[upbeat matrix]

what fear is this?

[old plover]

Or my special I should say

20, but I'm using Frenzy 2 to practice for speedrunning eventually

[flint widget]

omega special exists

[old plover]

Other than Frenzy there's nothing that really effects the Chronos fight.

[flint widget]

also u can special spam chronos u just need to be careful with ur positioning

[old plover]

Hubris I guess, in a way

[old plover]

Yeah exactly, that's the part I still need to figure out

[odd bolt]

dodge stacking and armor

or blood spree

[old plover]

Not asking for advise on that one, I just need to git good

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/cyclops-ryu-dap-me-up-dap-dap-up-gif-2485274535169214603

[old plover]

I also found a really weird glitch just now lol

https://imgur.com/a/rJfnAui This is a full screen screenshot

Probably happened when I tabbed out.

[viral yew]

What's the problem?

[old plover]

Or is this supposed to look like that and I'm tripping? Bc I could've sworn that hud was centered before

[viral yew]

2am for me rn and i'm dumb

Uh no clue I don't play on a monitor big enough

[odd bolt]

it always looked like that to me

[old plover]

Okay I might just be tripping

[odd bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/11AcKdZ.png

[old plover]

What exactly does Extended Family affect? For example, does it also increase any boons that give me %-damage on my attack and special?

[bronze flax]

Olympian damage is all boons that add flat damage provided by a boon/curse, so things like Fine Line, Blitz, Scorch, Heph Blasts, casts and so on. Only flat damage boosts that work as such

[old plover]

#h2-victory-boasting message @pseudo hazel I find it helps to do a lot of runs with only one weapon if I wanna learn it. Takes like 4-5 attempts until I fully get the hang of it. And if you're unsure about builds, you can always ask here about specific weapons.

[vernal quiver]

you also learn pretty quickly that a lot of the weapons play very homogenously, i.e. is the weapon an omega weapon?? cool same rules and ideas apply, the weapon wants on hit effects?? cool the ideas remain the same what changes is how its applied very slightly

you can end up playing several weapons almost the exact same just with different damage windows once you get comfy enough with the games general mechanics and building

[old plover]

Ravaal has entered the chat

[pseudo hazel]

Roger!!

[pseudo hazel]

That’s a good point

[flint widget]

the prequel 💔
https://imgur.com/a/6WSUhde

[vernal quiver]

bro probably cant react to the scythe throw 🥀

[flint widget]

if it turns out he tanks the instakills and doesn't know how to avoid them thatd be hilarious ngl

wait until he encounters rivals chronos

[odd bolt]

This has to be ragebait specially when comparing to h1

[flint widget]

yeah

or the dude is insanely stupid

[old plover]

Which enemies are "susceptible" to Shocking Loss? I assume anything that's not a guardian or miniboss?

[flint widget]

oh my god he just made another post a few minutes ago

[odd bolt]

I rather think this is just a troll ragebait than to think someone can legitimately be like this

[flint widget]

the sequel
https://imgur.com/a/jTKkEgr

[odd bolt]

Yeah someone just sent this on #h2-discussion as well 😭 this is 100% ragebait

[flint widget]

yeah bro ain't no way

he out here calling every boss except hec and cerb hardest boss in videogame history

[odd bolt]

Even tho is probably ragebait I know this might be something a lot of people agree, not to that level, but unfortunately even tho hades and hades 2 are probably the best games in terms of avoiding the bad feeling of dying in the genre a lot of people just don't like dying at all

[flint widget]

yeah

[odd bolt]

Poor cerb not even the ragebaiter respects him

[flint widget]

that's the nature of roguelikes

[odd bolt]

If this guy is legit I hope he eventually gets go Olympus it would be so funny

[flint widget]

or summit

[odd bolt]

He's not getting past prom

[flint widget]

true

or eris tbh

[zealous crag]

Prom? Is there a high school dance going on between the gods or something?

[flint widget]

prom is shortened version of prometheus

[thin gazelle]

“Talos is the hardest boss in video game history”

He is NOT making it to Prometheus

[odd bolt]

Lmaaaaao

[thin gazelle]

“Dionysus is the hardest god in video game history”

[silent crow]

hes not hard even

[lament ivy]

Dorky "strategic positioning" vs Chad "face-tanking"

[flint widget]

all my homies love face tanking 🔥

[lament ivy]

Oh yeah been meaning to ask, what is the easiest god to avoid damage against during the challenge of God's? Seems like dem or poseidon

[flint widget]

hestia and poseidon are tied

[lament ivy]

Gotcha. Hera seems kinda middle of road and Apollo/Area seem like the hardest

[flint widget]

hera is definitely the hardest

ngl ares isn't that hard to dodge

[vernal quiver]

ive never had issues with hera myself

[lament ivy]

It feels like theres more visual clarity with hers than the others

[vernal quiver]

imo zeus, apollo, and kinda heph can be rough

pos/hestia/aphro are all super super simple, and hera id lowkey put slightly above them

[lament ivy]

Yeah zeus/apollo just seem awful to play around

If I have to face one of them I tend to just accept ill get hit

Ares might not be that bad, its been awhile

[flint widget]

am i the only one that finds zeus to be ez

[lament ivy]

Zeus/apollo are kinda blurring together for me

Big yellow circles

[vernal quiver]

he feels super stressful but then like i always have just enough time to avoid him

but ig since he is fundamentally just random, keep moving and play safe and reactive and youll be good

i wouldnt say any of them feel bad until like demeter with return on

that one is mean if the balls end up in the 10 damage frost field

but thats also pain3 problems

[cursive kindle]

I feel like im not super good at dodging attacks

I have beat rivals typhon and rivals chronos, so im doing something right

[tawny imp]

Why does it even do so much

Ridiculous

[scarlet ferry]

Are there any instances where it's better to start with Calling Card instead of Jpom?

[odd bolt]

"i wanna do a funny heph build"

[scarlet ferry]

ah

[odd bolt]

only reason i see

[old plover]

Many of the top UW speedruns use Zeus' keepsake with Medea skull bc it's the only thing that goes that fast. Might be JPom will overtake them eventually, but they top the charts for now.

Or did you mean something else by "Calling Card"?

[vernal quiver]

Not really, +4 is basically making everything epic so a handful of heroics isnt as valuable

[scarlet ferry]

Zagreus's keepsake

[old plover]

Oh I don't have that yet yeah

[scarlet ferry]

lol

[vernal quiver]

Its one of those keepsakes that only has bigger value on like hermes or heph ig, but the opportunity cost of losing jpom is a bit much

[scarlet ferry]

Isn't rarity really good on Zeus and Poseidon cores?

[vernal quiver]

Lvl4 common zeus attack is the same as epic lvl1 iirc

[scarlet ferry]

Well if you get Zeus early and get poms for it I guess it's better

and for Zeus + Hera duo

[old plover]

For Poseidon I happen to remember that +1 rarity is the exact same as +1 level

So Level 4 common attack would be the same as heroic lvl 1.

[vernal quiver]

Yeah i just saw that off of the spreadsheet in the speedcord lol

Most flat scalings like that tend to like poms a lot

Genuinley iirc the main things that do really really like rarity are hermes and heph, otherwise even just common lvl4 might as well be epic1

Then the off chance you do get a rare/epic pull of jpom

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1455688675907207301/image.png?ex=6955a339&is=695451b9&hm=ddbae5e63f8cda3db9b9e4c8db9dc302b556da982c066cc42a68d29ff2e5824c&
forgot what it was like to enjoy the game

[alpine raft]

what a start

[vernal quiver]

Its crazy i got zeus from a random bag that gave attack which confirmed zeus in cast from the boss reward lmao

[vernal quiver]

And then I die at chronos because I got too used to hel so staff feels clunky 🥀

[digital juniper]

not even in 67 trench mines? fake player smh

[vernal quiver]

I need to get used to the weapon again 🥀 hel was like disgustingly snappy, having to actually have endlag feels weird

[digital juniper]

i assume your 67 attempts are with mel staff?

just do 67 Hel instead

[vernal quiver]

Circe

[vernal quiver]

I thought about it but then after hating 65f I do not wanna do 67 with that godforsaken thing

[digital juniper]

but you’ll be the first 67 Hel then

depending on when you get it would still be the first 67 circe too

[vernal quiver]

Ok yeah I think im washed i lost to p3 chronos again

Or maybe im just dissent crutched

[alpine raft]

i feel that too 80% of my 62's have it

[vernal quiver]

IM NOT WAHSED

AND I DODGED MY FIRST SCYTHE THROW PROPERLY

[astral creek]

Does anyone have any tips for Prometheus?
I'm trying to complete a surface no hit run, I've already done the underworld so trying the surface now.
I can get through Ephyra, Thessaly and Olympus pretty consistently but I haven't been able to get past Prometheus yet.
I find his animations really hard to identify, I can't tell if he's going to the kick move where he launches a 'wave' of flame towards you, if he'll slam down onto the ground and make a flame, do a normal kick or a normal ground slam.
I've tried practicing in a chaos trial a bit to redo the fight but still struggling against him.
I use aspect of Thanatos (i don't really want to swap weapon or aspects, I really like thanatos), my usual stratergy is to omega special at distance and then in between his attacks and animations run in for a bit of regular attack damage.
I find when at distance and using my omega, I often mess up my dodge against the flame wave attack, as I think he's going to do a normal kick and then I'm not prepared for the flame. If i try to be more aggressive and stay in close for more attack damage, that just tends not to end well at all.

[spark crown]

false

(good job)

[viral yew]

I would recommend not using axe if you're really struggling, but if you do I can record the fight of me doing it with than axe and dodging all his attacks if you want

For his kicks, there are slightly different animations for each one, are you playing with or without frenzy?

Same thing with his ground slams, the difference between a normal attack and a fire attack is that the fire attacks have delays and a slight pause before the flame, but regardless of which move it as you can typically dash through him if you're close enough or to the left or right if you're further away (and if you are far away it will almost always be the flame moves)

[scarlet ferry]

When I fight Prometheus, a lot of the time I’m not even looking for his tells. I just assume the next attack he’s gonna do is the worst one possible for me and dodge accordingly lol

Somehow works out. Even on Rivals

[vernal quiver]

TRUUUE

[scarlet ferry]

Every other boss I look for their tells

[vernal quiver]

But as a mix of what luthien and thom said, keep an eye for the tells but be ready to dash for the worst on instinct since that'll cover basically everything, also iirc doesnt he have a pattern?? Of like 2 normal hits then a fire one or am I crazy

[broken spoke]

Yea he do some combo string

[vernal quiver]

Id also say start getting used to dash attack -> tap special looping on axe, its a very fast and safe way to get damage in on openings the weapon will usually struggle with

[broken spoke]

2 punch into slam ring or something like that

[vernal quiver]

Yeah he has a rhythm ive just never bothered to learn it fully

[broken spoke]

Dash to his back work most time except ring slam

[scarlet ferry]

Yeah. His ranged attacks are super easy to dodge so just focus on the melee ones

Or pick Toula and run around the arena for an eternity slowing chipping him down 🧠

[vernal quiver]

Raki gaming too

Raki solo actually let bro win the run himself

[scarlet ferry]

What counts as a “hit” for a no hit run? Like do blocked hits from Lovers and Snow Queen count?

[broken spoke]

No damage taken

[vernal quiver]

Tends to be damage board at the end

[scarlet ferry]

Ah

Does armor damage show up?

[vernal quiver]

So lovers and snow queen is fine just dont take direct damage

[vernal quiver]

I think so yeah

[scarlet ferry]

Gotcha

[broken spoke]

Imagine doing everything perfectly but forgot you take chaos at beginning

[scarlet ferry]

Pick Gale and assume and pray every hit will be dodged 🧠

[vernal quiver]

6% might as well be 100 🗣🔥🔥🔥

[scarlet ferry]

Off topic but imagine if you could swap familiars between regions 😩

A lot of builds I wish I could start with Hecuba but then swap to Raki or Gale

[scarlet ferry]

Circe making that 12% 💪

[odd bolt]

Circe making you smaller for +10% dodge and also funny smol mel*

[scarlet ferry]

The big and small blessing from Circe are my favorite of hers

[vernal quiver]

Hearing the voice pitch up and down was funny asf

[scarlet ferry]

I love how your figurine on the map changes too

[scarlet ferry]

How do you ensure rivals polyphemus doesn't instantly get poisoned? I always dash behind him at the start which used to work but recently hasnt

[mint quartz]

What’s like a build i can use with my moonstone axe I’ve only ever made it to Scylla once most the time I just get clobbered by a school of fish or a rat before I can get back to her

[scarlet ferry]

Aphrodite on Attack and keep pumping damage boons into it

Demeter cast or special can help keep enemies in place while you swing

[mint quartz]

Ok thanks

[viral yew]

Go diagonally down and right

[scarlet ferry]

ty

[grim current]

What is it about Blood Triad that separates it from all other DMG types as to not interact with Strength's +20% DMG?

[odd bolt]

Simple, it's hard coded 777

[grim current]

Go figure.

[odd bolt]

It's a choice to go with the whole triple design of the aspect

Which makes sense cause the morrigan is very related to the number 3

[viral yew]

Ya

Still incredibly strong

[grim current]

Guess it only makes sense the only way to increase it is with the Daedarus Hammers.

[odd bolt]

Or heph legendary

[grim current]

Premium Service.

I take it Yarn of Ariadne & miniboss enounters' rarifying quality is triggered before Excellence & Divinity?

[astral creek]

Yeah I don't wanna switch from the Axe, in both hades 1 and 2 I pretty much picked one weapon then never touched any of the others lol .
I actually ended up getting it on my very next attempt!
I think my main problem was focusing too much on survivng and not enough on DPS, I admitedly had a great build which carried me, godsent wolf howl with task force took out like a third of his health.

[odd bolt]

Bro I just had a run where the game offered me a singular hestia boon in ephyra and then forgot she was in my pool and I got to prometheus without a special boon

Luck so bad it made me miss having rerolls

[alpine raft]

the balance in this game is lots better and you'll miss out on a lot by only using 1

[scarlet ferry]

Rivals Polyphemus with the daggers is so obnoxious

[grim current]

At least it taught me to place omega Casts with in advance.

[astral creek]

however, i have autism and and i don't like change

aspect of thanatos forever <3

[alpine raft]

but what if theres one out there youll like better

[grim current]

I main the weapon that's currently Grave Thirst-ed.

I bought the game. I'm going to play with all 6 weapons.

At any rate, how much should I be focusing on specific Olympian's Ring boons with Aspect of Circe?

I've been told Ares' Ring boon doesn't stack.

[vernal quiver]

Zeus is top priority, hestia is a strong 2nd, demeter is a follow up if you cant find them, everything else is kinda dookie

Winners circle can mess with some stuff letting heph, pos, and Apollo be more viable but like just do zeus/hestia/demeter they're just better and dont need another boon to enable

[grim current]

What about the other DMG-oriented Ring boons that make it inferior? Hephaestus'?

Oh, there's only 3 DMG-oriented Ring boons to begin with.

And I already mentioned Ares' Ring boon doesn't stack on top of itself.

What is it about Hephaestus' Ring boon that makes it inferior to even Demeter's?

[alpine raft]

no curse and freeze cast is good

[odd bolt]

Zeus is overall better damage and you can make it better with things like double strike

And yeah for Dem is the curse

Ares is potential god here cause I feel like it would be good if you didn't need two duo boons to make falling blades don't suck

[grim current]

I suppose, but if there's any a time to focus on DMG-oriented Ring boons versus the ones that apply Curses, I would assume it'd be Aspect of Circe.

A la Supay & Rush boons.

[vernal quiver]

Yeah but like you can have both

[alpine raft]

sure but sometimes you dont get to choose

[vernal quiver]

Demeter still deals solid damage

Hell I did a 62 with it like last week

[alpine raft]

did one yesterday with no cast till tartarus

[grim current]

Does Freeze last for 10s, which it only applies its immobilize/slow-down effect for 2s, or does it merely last 2s, thus stunting Origination?

[alpine raft]

and yea no cast does horrible damage really

[vernal quiver]

Freeze has 2 parts kinda, the actual freeze then the cooldown till they can be frozen again, and even if they aren't actively frozen that cooldown period still works for orig iirc

[grim current]

Good to know.

[vernal quiver]

Mel staff with a pet ong

[alpine raft]

leash actually does a lot

[grim current]

I intuited as much when the Freeze icon persists after the 2s, but when I was apparently told by some folk around here that Demeter's Strike/Flourish boons suck, I questioned if it still triggered Origination.

[alpine raft]

always surprised to see it in top 5 damage

[vernal quiver]

Whoever told you that the attack and special suck are just wrong, they're one of the safest options in the game and still give solid damage

Like yeah the damage wont be hera levels of room clear but keeping things frozen makes rooms so comfy

[grim current]

Were it you who said Ares' strike/flourish boons are the worst of the nine?

[vernal quiver]

Ares is like bottom 3 sure

Wounds doesnt have a lot of utiliy and his damage amp is pretty low

[odd bolt]

Best thing about ares atk/special boons is they open grievous blow

[alpine raft]

that alone puts them above aphro or apollo for me

[odd bolt]

I learned today that the hestia/ares duo doesn't open up grievous even though it applies wounds too

[odd bolt]

For attack/special yeah but in general i still prefer those two specially apollo

[alpine raft]

in general for sure ares is worse

worst even

[odd bolt]

Although aphro special carried my 62

[rapid mirage]

zeus boons to me so far in 2 feel like grey loot with the sole exception of lightning lance

blitz suckkkkkssssssssssssssssssssss

[odd bolt]

Blitz is the best curse in the game wdym

[rapid mirage]

never feels impactful to me

[alpine raft]

what are you putting it on to not be successful with it

[rapid mirage]

i like lum and oros

[alpine raft]

blitz special on those is probably better than any other

and how about static shock? thats a great boon that isnt blitz

[vernal quiver]

Bro doesnt know how to deal 120 damage 🥀

[regal cobalt]

blitz on attack with zorephets omega attack is so good

any build tips for typhon? i got really clos yesterday with lim and oros hestia main

[broken spoke]

-Dont get hit
-hit it

[regal cobalt]

fair enough

[broken spoke]

Which typhoon tho

[regal cobalt]

i ahvent beat typhon at all yet so regular

[vernal quiver]

You can force typhon into a super predictable pattern of projectile -> head slam -> repeat

[regal cobalt]

oo

[broken spoke]

If you get close, it use chin slam

[vernal quiver]

The head slam, while needlessly tight to iframe is triggered by proximity after him using a normal projectile

[regal cobalt]

ifl if i had known the pattern i wouldve beat him, ive only reached his fight once so far (i hate prometheus)

[vernal quiver]

So you can play close during a projectile, get the punish, dash out to avoid the chin slam, punish, repeat

[regal cobalt]

ooo

[regal cobalt]

ok thank u ill keep this in mind

[vernal quiver]

Also his tongue laser has a blindspot by his head

[broken spoke]

When it use tongue sweep, you can iframe thru it or stay under its chin

[vernal quiver]

So you can just ignore that move entirely

[regal cobalt]

oooh ok thank u

[broken spoke]

For some reason the tongue itself has no hurtbox...

[vernal quiver]

Outside of that just be aware of when hes gonna drop all the splitting egg things in front of him so you dont overextend on accident

[bronze flax]

Wait, so I could have avoided the tongue sweep by being close to Typhon all this time? Lmao

[regal cobalt]

yeah ifl i was able to avoid those pretty well

ive had to learn to be less of a tanker in hades 2 i usually just stock up on dd and life max and then tank but that hasnt been a great strategy with guardians that deal insane amnts of dmg

[vernal quiver]

Another funny thing you can do is if you get godsent nightbloom, let one of the eggs during the transition pop, then kill it, the summon will lowkey solo him for you or at least do crazy damage

[regal cobalt]

ooo

nightbloom is my fav hex tbh'

[bronze flax]

That's what I do if I have Night Bloom and Servitude

It is very good

[vernal quiver]

Its super funny on surface runs cuz of that

[regal cobalt]

my fav is to use nightbloom against scylla, esp roxy cusw of th ebig drum attack she does

[vernal quiver]

Do you have aspects yet?? Ur on surface so id assume maybe

[regal cobalt]

yes i do

ive unlocked almost all of them

[vernal quiver]

Oh nice! Morrigan tends to be the strongest knives since you mentioned you play those a lot, ive done like ~40-45f with them on surface before they can shred through typhon like crazy since hes stationary

[regal cobalt]

but i baswically only use mels zorephet, mels lim and oros and mels descura

[regal cobalt]

thats the only twin blades aspect i havent unlocked LMAO

[vernal quiver]

Lol id say try to get those and play around with them, hidden aspect unlocks are maxing a non mel aspect then talking to a specific npc for the unlock

[regal cobalt]

ooo

right i forgot about hiddens

that means i need to max out the stupid blades ugh

[scenic flower]

Do people usually do great chaos above runs?

[regal cobalt]

ive been focusing on maxing out thans zorephet

[vernal quiver]

Since you mentioned descura too actually circe is a super strong aspect especially with the right familiars

[regal cobalt]

which do u recommend

i usually use toula cus of the extra dd

[broken spoke]

Probably not, too much chaos, but some people tried to streaking it

[vernal quiver]

Gale/raki if you want survivability or damage respectively

[regal cobalt]

i see

[vernal quiver]

Gale outdoes toula super easily too

[broken spoke]

Toula circe can work but very annoying

[regal cobalt]

damn

i can probably do without the extraq dd too if i just use skellys tooth since i just got it maxxed out

and i maxed the arcana card

[vernal quiver]

Id recommend moros pin! Its a super strong defensive keepsake

[regal cobalt]

i really should branch out and try the other nocturnal arms too ive become so used to playing zorephet

[regal cobalt]

yeah i just need to upgrade it

ive been trying to use random keepsakes for erebus to lvl them up slowly cus erebus is easy

[vernal quiver]

Yeah gale gives 3 guaranteed blocks a region plus 6% dodge chance so in terms of effective health gale will outdo the toula dd pretty fast

[regal cobalt]

that makes sense

[calm pike]

Don't even use the tooth tbh, pin, knuckle bones or even onion if you're low on hp may be better for safety

Though I think people usually only take knuckle bones for typhon

[viral yew]

For rivals prom

[calm pike]

Oh yeah I just found out a few days ago about the hitch trick with it, might try it

[grim current]

Something something overconfidence.

This is the 2nd time I died to Unrivaled Prometheus with Nergal despite having such an powerful build. Maybe it would've helped if I remembered I needed 2 more Water tokens to trigger Tall Order.

[calm pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/469908901152686084/1455827446585622540/image.png?ex=69562477&is=6954d2f7&hm=83f07aff77c3c981ae68ee8ec3bddc1c643afea1e39fe51e0c308bcf62b484bd&

Any tips which keepsake to go? I was thinking pin into knuckle bones for typhon

[viral yew]

Go the other way round, even without hitch, or pin for both

[calm pike]

Then I'll probably do pin for both since olympus scares me

[calm pike]

Okay yeah pin procced 4 times and I forgot I had old grudge for the typon damage from jpom

[tribal mountain]

Havent used DDs since unlocking Strength forever ago... Holy crap I hate not having Strength

I think using Medea and smashing my skull into everything at mach 9 isnt helping

[grim current]

I'm too lazy to do the math.

For Minor rewards, does Ash or Bones -> Psyche grant more Kudos?

5 Ash -> 10 Kudos
50 Bones -> 25 Kudos

[broken spoke]

Bones exchange for psyche

[spark crown]

Not as helpful on typhoon but rivals prom for sure

[digital juniper]

i would say it’s still solid on Typhon because he only has 1 big HP bar

so cherished heirloom knuckle bones instaphases him

but yes usually you see it for rivals prom or just that people prefer something like pin for summit

[twilit dawn]

Can anyone pls help me get a basic build to beat chronos

[median anvil]

what weapon and aspect

[twilit dawn]

dont have many aspects only medeas skull and momus staff. any weapon would work except coat

[median anvil]

for medea skull start zeus special then take any %boost on your attack, apollo and hera are the best choices
for momus take hera or apollo attack then build big into omega attacks, hammers like mirrored thrasher and cross cataclysm are big upgrades

[twilit dawn]

tysm

[grim current]

Huh.

What was it like when Hephastus' Gain boon granted -5% | -10% DMG received instead of today's -1 | -2?

Overpowered, I presume?

[flint widget]

i have no idea i joined during the twilight years of early access

[grim current]

Besr case scenario, it stacked multiplicatively with Strength.

[flint widget]

but still ngl the fact that u have to take dmg in order to get magick is so ass

unless if ur running a damage tanking build like nergal it just sucks

[grim current]

Doesn't sounds so bad to me, even if it encourages the player to increase the max Magick even more than Demeter & Zeus' Gain boon.

If you're not getting damaged, great! If you are, it's ameliorated & you have a bunch of Magick to retaliate with!

Dunno. I don't play with Vow of Deadlines (or whatever it's named) And I main Hecuba for her passive Magick generation, so I don't figure I need so much Magick when I'm currently hitless-ing a boss.

Of course, a pretty obvious counterargument is to get the oh-so loved Born Gain & not have to deal with any of that.

Hephastus' Gain boon is in the three boons that provide a secondary perk in addition to regenerating Magick.

[flint widget]

boobs?

oh ok

[grim current]

My most hated Gain boon is Poseidon's.

[calm pike]

What? even compared to demeter, zeus, ares and aphro?

[grim current]

I tried it. It doesn't regenerate nearly as much Magick as I would like--especially for a Gain boon that doesn't have secondary effects like Aphrodite or Ares.

Their Gain boons require specific aspects/playstyles, but at least they capitalize on that.

[calm pike]

It lasts 6-8 seconds with jpom, that's insane uptime considering you have to do nothing to abuse it

[viral yew]

Poseidon gain is sooooooo good

Basically a budget born gain

[calm pike]

Take it on magick intense aspects, not on torches

[viral yew]

Are torches not magic intensive

[calm pike]

Hmm true, I guess they're more so consistent in usage rather than having large costs

[grim current]

Well, I died against Unrivaled Eris for the first in a very long time thanks to Poseidon's Gain boon not providing enough Magick in the last couple of seconds (and skill issue/equipping Zeus' chain lightning that primes 50 without sufficient max Magick), so I suppose I'm still a little salty.

[viral yew]

They still use a lot yeah

[viral yew]

Ok yeah that's not a gain boon issue

[grim current]

I had a lot of fun the last time I did use Ares' Gain boon.

However long ago that was.

[calm pike]

Ares is fun but unreliable

[grim current]

And using a weapon that heavily capitali-

Yeah. You get the gist.

So. What do you think about Hephastus' Gain boon, @calm pike & @viral yew?

[viral yew]

Worst in the game

And it's not even close

[calm pike]

Bad and unfun, I tried using it recently using a mel axe run and it just felt useless

[viral yew]

Maybe if it blocked 10 damage a hit

[grim current]

As mentioned, I like it when it's the most passive of the three "secondary effect" Gain boons.

[flint widget]

what about glamour

[viral yew]

I like glamour

[calm pike]

I was actually trying to build around it trying to get aphro and apollo for dodge chance and dmg reduction but at the end the run went a different way and I still kept taking lots of damage (though IIRC it was a win)

[flint widget]

yeah glamour is goated for orig

[grim current]

Because Aphrodite's Gain boon still favors close-range weapons a la Moonstone Axe & Sister Blades whilst Hephastus' rather encourages being bad at the game.

[viral yew]

Aphrodite gain works on anything but charon axe tbh

[calm pike]

Glamour depends on the aspect tbh, I won't take it on axe but I would on a cast build for example

[upbeat matrix]

Sigh I wanted to try complete 62 Fear this year lol but going above 50F has been a big wall for me

[calm pike]

I'm in love with "encourages being bad at the game"

[flint widget]

did sgg fix the mirrored thrasher flood gain bug

[viral yew]

You still have 2 hours

Or at least I do

[upbeat matrix]

Not trying anymore im tired of it lol

[calm pike]

Aussies, scary

[viral yew]

[grim current]

Well, what other reason could I still like Hephastus' Gain boon if even I know how meager its secondary perk is? I unlocked Gifts of the Veil, so now what?

[viral yew]

Absolutely none

[flint widget]

exactly

[upbeat matrix]

in underworld it CAN be some damage reduction assuming you have other sources of mana maaaaybe

[grim current]

Well... I did mention I main Hecuba.

[upbeat matrix]

Its also.......best in slot with brave face(this duo sucks)

[flint widget]

why hecuba tho

raki and gale exist

plus hecuba can be easily replaced by just getting a good gain

[viral yew]

Tdym main, you shouldn't main a familiar

[grim current]

I mained Hecuba because I could not stand the idea of the farm being empty of seeds. Now I continue to main her for that reason.

[flint widget]

ur familiar should change based on which weapon and aspect ur running

greatest gift of gaia exists

[viral yew]

You know you still get seeds

[grim current]

I've considered equipping Raki when I don't have the Night Arcana.

[flint widget]

night is so situational tho

[grim current]

I like crits.

[flint widget]

plus u can just yk, farm manually

[viral yew]

😭 😭

[flint widget]

it doesn't take that much time

[grim current]

Manually farm, you say?

I don't know how to get more seeds than with Hecuba.

[viral yew]

You can't, but you shouldn't be running hecuba and night every run

[grim current]

Most people seem to favor Raki & Gale.

[flint widget]

after each room selene points out things you can do

[grim current]

Maybe Frinos.

[flint widget]

like fishing, collecting seeds, etc

[grim current]

Hm? No, I'm talking about the fear I'll eventually run out of things to plant, thus losing a literal Kudo farm.

[flint widget]

well just farm manually after each room it's that easy

[grim current]

I still farm manually.

[flint widget]

or let greatest gift of gaia do all the work for u

no i meant collecting seeds manually mb

[grim current]

Nevermind.

[spark crown]

After a point you just wind up with more seeds than you know what to do with

[grim current]

Well, if I'm not going to main Hecuba, I don't see why I should run Raki 100% of the time when she/he grants passive crits, thus more DMG.

Equip Gale for when I don't have Swift Runner with Morrigan...?

[flint widget]

wait what

swift runner is an always on

show me ur arcana setup

[spark crown]

T-T

[flint widget]

even metal is shocked that's how bad it is

[spark crown]

Try this setup PLEASE https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNCIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjOCIsImMxMSIsImMxMiIsImMxMyIsImMxNCIsImMxNSIsImMxNyJd

Switch eternity with artificer if you must

[grim current]

My "favorite" build is Death + Fates' Whim, but lately I've been playing with Strength + Change of Fate.
https://hades.teheidoma.space/#6693575

[flint widget]

no furies is a war crime wtf

get night outta there and excellence too

no lovers too is insane

[spark crown]

1. Try using Crossroads as your site for arcana and fear
2. Excellence is not as good as you think

NO LOVERS t-T

[grim current]

Lovers used to be in my build.

[flint widget]

then whyd u remove it

[spark crown]

No furies no Swift runner no boatman no lovers

[grim current]

That one Arcana tier list video.

[flint widget]

also if ur running rerolls

[upbeat matrix]

Rusty?

[flint widget]

why not enable the rerolls corner?

bro

tier lists are engagement bait

they're not 100% true

[spark crown]

Mine are the only true ones

[flint widget]

ok bro get out

[grim current]

I considered equipping Boatman instead of Excellence, but I favor __>__rare boons to a fault.

[upbeat matrix]

Also what is Rusty's top fear or times? nobody knows

[spark crown]

I HAVE NEVER HAD A WRONG OPINION IN MY LIFE

[grim current]

Rerolls Corner?

[flint widget]

boatman and all the rerolls cards

to enable fates

[spark crown]

Rarity dosnt add as big of a bonus as you think is basically just +1 pom

[flint widget]

yeah

plus a free boon when u enter a shop with boatman is huge

especially in underworld

[spark crown]

Yeah boatman= free midshop boon

[upbeat matrix]

what weapon is Blu playing anyway

[grim current]

Yeah. Boatman is indeed a an easy cheat.

I main Grave Thirst.

[spark crown]

Based

[viral yew]

If you watch haelian, stop doing that, he's buns

[spark crown]

Look you ain't right but your not wrong

[upbeat matrix]

Honestly, watching haelian is absolutely fine if its below 32

[flint widget]

hes done 60f tho hes not really that buns

[upbeat matrix]

Yeah exactly

[flint widget]

some of his takes are buns tho

like nitro boost

[viral yew]

Has he done 62

[flint widget]

nah

[upbeat matrix]

I think for most people his advice still absolutely works unless you are trying to fear grind hard.

[flint widget]

i consider a player to be good if they have beaten 50f or above

[viral yew]

Respect halved

[upbeat matrix]

And also just because someone has a high fear clear doesnt mean every take of theirs will work for a newer player honestly

[spark crown]

-_- ok madam holyer than thou

[flint widget]

yeah

[viral yew]

😒

My takes are pristine

[spark crown]

False

[flint widget]

i consider someone to be legendary if they beat 62f with antler and then we have the metal tier

[viral yew]

Better than yours anyway

[flint widget]

pretty self explanatory

[upbeat matrix]

yeah well someone has been telling me to do scars3 for a 56Fish clear and that hasnt worked for me

[spark crown]

Nah mine are better I've never had a wrong opinion

[viral yew]

Who?

[grim current]

This is my favorite build. Fates' Whim.
https://hades.teheidoma.space/#404079

[spark crown]

NO DO DO THAT

[tall notch]

Good i used it for Supay then

[spark crown]

No Swift runner no lovers

[grim current]

I don't care for Eternity.

[flint widget]

eternity isn't really necessary it's just more convenient

[upbeat matrix]

It took me 1 hour worth of resets to get life tax and it didnt help me get further.

[spark crown]

Scars 3 is bad

[upbeat matrix]

I get why people tell to reset but im not doing it its buns

[flint widget]

is it with strength on as well?

[upbeat matrix]

Yeah I know. Im not running with that

[tall notch]

Ew no

[flint widget]

respect halved

boooooooooo get this kid out

[grim current]

I love __>__rare boons to a fault. It's keeping me from equipping Boatman over Excellence.

[flint widget]

i did supay 62f strength with antler on

[tall notch]

Not my fault strength is cheeks

[spark crown]

Swap eternity for lovers and swap div for boatman and you are mostly set

[flint widget]

cheeks for high fear but good on low/mid fear

[tall notch]

Imagine literally being able to defy death and then not doing that for a 20% damage boost

[grim current]

I believe Death is stronger when there's Athena & Echo to refill Defiances, but I find Strength more fun.

[flint widget]

u forgot one thing: u can flex with strength on

but yeah death is the goat strength is just for speedruns and challenge runs

[spark crown]

Can't flex if your dead

[flint widget]

just dont get hit then

https://tenor.com/view/rhythm-heaven-karate-man-true-morgan-freeman-meme-gif-12801464820158524564

[spark crown]

[tall notch]

You're*

[flint widget]

wrong spelling metal booooooooooooooooooooooo

[spark crown]

We dissing dyslexa now

God damnit

[flint widget]

casual insulting vs competitive insulting

[tall notch]

Dyslexa, play despacito

[viral yew]

I'm too drunk for this y'all are sending me

[spark crown]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-side-eye-gif-5016118126108679217

[tall notch]

What're you drinking?

[flint widget]

when u drink pls do drive trust

[spark crown]

Ayyyyy I'm drinking too (I'm out of what I'm drinking cuz I'm drinking with the fam)

[viral yew]

Mascardo, and rum n cokes

[viral yew]

Who says i'm not behind the wheel rn

[flint widget]

drinking and texting while driving 🔥

double whammy

[viral yew]

AMEN

[spark crown]

DRIVING IN MY CAR RIGHT AFTER A BEER

[viral yew]

HEY THAT BUMP IS SHAPED LIKE A DEER

[tall notch]

Do i need a driver's license to drink and drive?

[spark crown]

No

[flint widget]

nah

steal a car 🔥

[spark crown]

Triple whammy

[versed thunder]

annyone got a good game plan for prometheus

using flames

[viral yew]

Uhhhhhhhh

Don't get hit

[versed thunder]

fair

[versed thunder]

I'm also just being a wuss and using god mode

[spark crown]

Rivals or normal

[versed thunder]

normal

[spark crown]

Frenzy or no

[versed thunder]

no

[spark crown]

Ok then he should be very readable

He will wind up all his attacks

Then for memory game just repeat what you see is safe

[versed thunder]

thanks again

[spark crown]

Allg

[flint widget]

all torches 62f on both routes done

[spark crown]

@viral yew Happy new years

[tall notch]

You guys are already in 2026? Australia is crazy

[median anvil]

regarding your dm, you can check the pinned message here.
it has some great general gameplay tips and then build recommendations for every aspect

[quick crescent]

question for hades boons

does concave stone work on him

hades boons are never make or break but it would be fun to take jeweled pom and go for 3 once i reach tartarus

[tawny arrow]

Shadowspiller might legit be the hardest boss in the game

Gives me way more trouble than rivaled prom

[flint widget]

aint no way

[tawny arrow]

Just makes no sense to me as a boss with frenzy and shadows
Infinitely respawning lightspeed screamers and a 2 billion hp boss you can only damage and see when hugging him tightly
Oh and the moment you enter his shadow he slaps you for 16 hp

[flint widget]

eh well thats a skill issue

[tawny arrow]

Don't think it is tho, cus as i said rivaled prom and even scylla and the rest aren't as much of an issue to me as this specific boss

Dude is like anti fun

[flint widget]

thats literally a skill issue, u can handle rivals prom and scylla with no issue but a goddamn shadow spiller is ur bane of existence

[tawny arrow]

I think it's a design issue

If it was a skill issue then the bigger challenges should've posed more of an issue, i think this specific boss has a flawed design

[scarlet ferry]

The thing doesn’t have much health at all. You can kill it super fast

Just use your cast to stop the screamers

[tidal heart]

Do +X% Attack damage chaos boons affect boon effects like scorch, blitz etc?

[scarlet ferry]

No

[median anvil]

no, they're additive like aphro and apollo and hera

[scarlet ferry]

Attack damage is the damage specifically associated with the weapons hits. The white numbers that appear

[tidal heart]

So they only affect the weapons flat damage

[scarlet ferry]

Scorch, blitz, blast, etc. are only affected by global damage

[tidal heart]

Gotcha ty

[scarlet ferry]

No problem

That’s why it’s good to use %damage on an attack/special with high base damage and to use flat damage (such as Poseidon) on an attack/special with low base damage

For example, if you’re using the aspect of Medea, putting Aphrodite on attack and Zeus on special

[tidal heart]

For the anubis aspect, would those chaos boons be any good?

[scarlet ferry]

Yes because the omega attack and special on Anubis have high base damage

But it’s more useful for the special

[median anvil]

yes for omega attack and omega special, no for base attack and base special

[tidal heart]

Ok, i have to look at the flat damage of each weapons

[scarlet ferry]

Anubis’ attack is really slow and you won’t be spamming it, so flat damage boons are typically better

Sort of treating it as a second cast

[regal cobalt]

haaate prometheus

[tidal heart]

Yeah the way ive been trying it is by focusing of cast and attack, the special gimmick feels kinda weird to me but interesting.

[old plover]

Does +% cast damage impact any of the cast boons? Or is it literally just the Omega-Cast detonation that gets buffed by it?

[scarlet ferry]

Spamming omega special is really good on Anubis

[median anvil]

it impacts every single cast boon lol

[scarlet ferry]

Try taking Apollo or Aphrodite on special

[old plover]

Okay I figured

[median anvil]

though keep in mind, prominence flare and meat grinder are technically separate effects from your casts, those aren't affected

[old plover]

How does it work with Smolder Ring? Is the amount of Scorch buffed, or does Scorch deal damage faster?

[scarlet ferry]

What about gust?

[median anvil]

amount of scorch

[median anvil]

also separate iirc?

[scarlet ferry]

Probably

Since it isn’t the core cast boon

[digital juniper]

%cast for smolder ring affects amount of scorch, but olympian damage buffs the damage dealt by said scorch

[scarlet ferry]

Why can’t scorch crit but the only flat damages can

Is it cause it’d be OP with the Aphrodite duo?

[digital juniper]

it was intentionally changed by SGG, game design

on the why, i’m not sure, it was in EA before i started playing

scorch boons used to apply less scorch, it used to tick slower but it could crit

now you get more scorch applied and it does more dps at base

[scarlet ferry]

I played in EA but not for the last 2 big updates. I remember scorch used to suck really bad but can’t remember why

Hephaestus also sucked

[median anvil]

because it was too strong

same with air quality

[tawny arrow]

Air quality is still goated

[digital juniper]

scorch going from 100 DPS to 300 DPS at base with just AQ would definitely be something

[tidal heart]

Scorch already melts, if they added crit it would be way to strong. To the point if you didnt go scorch youd be as a disadvantage haha

[median anvil]

scorch sucked because the amount afflicted was significantly lower and dps was 80 instead of 100

also the rest of hestia's kit was ASS

[tidal heart]

Tho i would love to see a scorch crit mod just for fun haha

[digital juniper]

snuffed candle was forgotten by sgg🥀

[tall notch]

Guys how do i defeat the shadow spiller in Erebus?

[digital juniper]

idk it’s impossible

[old plover]

Jump into the shadow, deal a hit, jump out.

If your weapon allows you to kite while attacking, you can dodge its attacks by dashing through the guy, but I find it's pretty hard to do on most weapons.

[scarlet ferry]

Do you remember why Hephaestus sucked? Or am I wrong about my opinion on him at the start of EA lol

[median anvil]

blast boons had less damage and jpom didn't exist

[scarlet ferry]

He doesn’t have a lot of health. Dash past him to dodge his swipe, drop your cast, hit him a bunch, and then repeat 1-2 more times

[median anvil]

heph was just the mint condition and trusty shield guy

[scarlet ferry]

I swear his non blast boons also sucked for the most part

Was his gain also worse?

[median anvil]

yes, percentage based instead of flat damage

[digital juniper]

would go wild on high fear tho

[scarlet ferry]

Anyone know where to find patch notes for specific gods?

[median anvil]

aphro gain had better defense than it 😭

[scarlet ferry]

I think the flat damage reduction is still better

[digital juniper]

oh yeah i forgot about the existence of weak

[scarlet ferry]

Yeah cause I’m pretty sure the weak debuff takes place after the flat damage reduction

Or whatever the optimal order is

[tidal heart]

So i just found out Hephaestus cast + circe aspect is a little strong.

[digital juniper]

try throwing winner’s circle into that mix

[flint widget]

wait until u discover storm ring + circe

[regal cobalt]

why is trial of humility kicking my ass ive failed it twice now

[tidal heart]

I have lol, i just never use Heph so i kinda forget about his boons sometimes haha

[scarlet ferry]

Literally throw as many cast boons as you can on it. It’s so fun lmao

Winners circle, geyser spout, prominence flare, super nova, demeter’s gust, meat grinder, cut above, etc.

[scarlet ferry]

Hephaestus’ cast is also pretty nice on Momus because the extra 2 damage bursts ensure you’re hitting enemies while waiting for the omega turret cast to go off.

Unfortunately though, his triple attack doesn’t happen for each turret blast

[regal cobalt]

third times the charm i guess

[scarlet ferry]

Which trial is that?

[regal cobalt]

its with descura through erebus with 0 arcana

[flint widget]

i wish hel omega attack was a real attack

same thing with medea omega special

[bronze flax]

Hel Omega Attack is a myth created by big SGG to sell us more Helheim Charge

[old plover]

Medea Omega special is real actually. You can charge it up from outside a threat zone (like Eris phase shift for example) and immediately go right back to battling once it's dropped.

I use it like.... three times during a run? More than zero :)

[flint widget]

i mean medea omega attack exists

that does the same job but better

[old plover]

Omega Special gets your body back into the fray though.

[flint widget]

u can just do regular special tho?

[old plover]

Unlike Hel Omega Attack, it's actually useful sometimes

[old plover]

It's much shorter range, isn't it?

Compared to fully charged?

[flint widget]

yeah but its faster and it doesnt require magick

[old plover]

As if you care about magick on medea lol

[flint widget]

u do actually, parray exists

[old plover]

Lowkey wanna use magick to activate Huntress if she's in your loadout

[flint widget]

yeah and that too

[bronze flax]

I find funny about Hel that on some runs, Omega Special does more than the attack and the curse you add on attack

[flint widget]

its quite unfortunate tho that actually using valk mode on hel is unoptimal

autofire hel is my goat

[old plover]

https://imgur.com/a/9f5hUyG just for reference

[flint widget]

im well aware but regular special is just faster plus its basically a double dash

charging it up is slower than just chaining special and dash

[old plover]

fair

[copper stag]

What gods go well with Thanatos?

[flint widget]

are u jpomming it

[old plover]

Apollo

[flint widget]

aphro apollo hera and ares all work well with thanatos

[scarlet ferry]

Hestia is funny to have a flaming cylinder scythe

[copper stag]

lol

Thanks

[scarlet ferry]

Demeter is also really handy on either cast or freeze to keep enemies in place to build up mortality

[odd bolt]

i learned yesterday that there is a hammer for oattack on hel

like, they really thought someone was gonna use it

[flint widget]

yeah cuz it sadly doesnt exist

[bronze flax]

Wait, is it?

[scarlet ferry]

Thank God you don’t need to pick the hidden aspect exclusive hammers for prophecies lol

[scarlet ferry]

At high fear yes because you can’t stand still that long

[flint widget]

plus charge time too long

and autofire hel gives u more movement

[scarlet ferry]

That’s what I meant by you can’t stand still for that long

[flint widget]

fair enough

[scarlet ferry]

How do you think it could be buffed?

[flint widget]

i have no idea

[scarlet ferry]

Maybe if you got temporary armor while charging your omega special like those upgrades for the hex beam

[civic ocean]

People use valk at 62

You don’t have to but its definitely useable especially in boss fights coming out of invul phases

[flint widget]

true

[civic ocean]

That was a good patch or two, but to be clear scorch did used to just do this and it was fine

[old plover]

Make it blast after the 2nd set of attacks, not the 3rd.

[scarlet ferry]

I don’t think the omega attack is the issue

[old plover]

Might still not be enough to make it good, but at least a little better.

Oh you mean just buff Hel in general?

I was thinking how to buff the Omega Attack in particular so that it exists.

[tidal heart]

I enjoy playing Hel, its fun.

[flint widget]

hel is ok

[tidal heart]

The aspects i personally dislike are ones i feel are too slow like Anubis even if it can be strong

[scarlet ferry]

I think the omega attack coming out sooner would ironically make Hel worse because the Omega special is already a lot of mana and the Omega attack doesn’t do much damage anyway

[scarlet ferry]

Yeah Anubis is awkward for me. I’m way too used to being able to spam attacks lol.

Maybe next time I run Anubis I’ll swap my attack and special buttons

[flint widget]

anubis is great

[old plover]

Okay, hear me out here: Change the Omega Attack into a shotgun blast that applies on-hit-effects like five times. And also the other buff and also make it cheaper maybe?

[flint widget]

nah they should just scrap the omega attack entirely

i have a better idea

add wide grin hammer into hel

in which it doesnt just shoot one bullet but three at once

get valkyrie in and it becomes laser of death

[scarlet ferry]

That’d be cool but then Hel would have way too much going on. Your ideas feels like a new aspect

[old plover]

Yeah fair

[tidal heart]

im ngl, ive done like 5 or 6 runs with Hel today, never used the omega attack once lol

[scarlet ferry]

Yeah you’re almost never gonna stay still and fire for that long

[tidal heart]

It puts you in such jeopardy that it just isnt worth it. What if the omega "attack" was just a shield around you that blocks attacks for a second or 1.5 seconds? Haha

[scarlet ferry]

That’d be neat

[tidal heart]

and give it a hammer to make you a turret so if you stand still for x seconds you fire faster, idk.

[civic ocean]

It’s more fun to figure out ways to make what the game offers me win than it is to think about how the game developers can make things so that I can win with them

[flint widget]

yeah every aspect in this game is actually playable

tho some are better than others

[scarlet ferry]

Anyone have a good Arcana loadout for a rerolls Selene aspect build?

[tidal heart]

I meant to ask here lol but is Snuffed Candle a good bossing boon?

[alpine raft]

hard to tell how much it actually does because the distance isnt defined

but its a lot of damage if its active

[tawny arrow]

Ok so zag just did 105 damage to me with 1 attack?

[tidal heart]

I just did a run where i think i got a huge damage boost, i must have i think. I posted it in the boastying channel

[vernal quiver]

Yeah sounds about right

There's a reason I never took him after getting the keepsake

[flint widget]

only take him anymore for surface speedruns and for champion of elysium%

[scarlet ferry]

turning a nectar into a pom is so funny

[flint widget]

eh that's artificer for u

[scarlet ferry]

I only have it active to get a row/column

[flint widget]

tbf it's a good card

absolute godsent for underworld since u barely get any boons in erebus

[vernal quiver]

Mfw artificer turns ash(200 chrolex gold) into 100 gold

[scarlet ferry]

Literally just happened to me with bones

Jesus lvl5 epic cold storage is +6 seconds

[regal cobalt]

oh damn ygnium is pretty powerful maybe i should use it more

[flint widget]

yeah it's the second best weapon

first one is staff ofc

[scarlet ferry]

Yeah the Yargonaught literally stood still for the entire fight

[regal cobalt]

i love zorephet

my absolute favorite

[flint widget]

i would love axe more if it wasn't so ass with wards

[regal cobalt]

wdym

[flint widget]

it's slow hitting

[regal cobalt]

ohh

i use omega attack a lot

[vernal quiver]

TRUUUE

ive thought about doing 62f than but i do not wanna psychic whirwind fish

[regal cobalt]

and try to get a deadalus upgrade for the omega attack where it spins around u

[flint widget]

plus last hit of attack combo is just so so so so so so soooooo cheeks

yeah ik psychic whirlwind is the goat

[regal cobalt]

tbf one of my fav weapons in the first game was also the spear so makes sense

[flint widget]

spear was also my least favorite of the h1 weapons

i was more of an rail guy

who doesn't love railing their enemies

[regal cobalt]

i then again dislike the rail a lot LOL

very different playstyles i guess

[vernal quiver]

fresh file made me super comfy with sword more than anything else although rama bow will always be my beloved

[flint widget]

if u ever get to playing high fear you'll understand why i hate axe

[regal cobalt]

i have beat chronos like twice so yk theres still time for me to change my mind 💀

[flint widget]

fair enough

oh it's almost an hour until 2026

[regal cobalt]

still 2 hours for me

[vernal quiver]

i got 12 hours

[flint widget]

chronos invented time zones so that we can't celebrate new years at the exact same time

[regal cobalt]

LOL

[scarlet ferry]

I have 10

[leaden heron]

I am attempting 67 Fear all day and keep dying during phase 3 for Chronos.

[alpine raft]

getting there consistently is impressive though

[flint widget]

do u record ur runs

cuz goddamn

also join the speedcord they'll appreciate your efforts

https://discord.gg/ntj5GRS3m

[leaden heron]

I play on Switch 2 and without a dock

[flint widget]

doesn't the switch 2 come with a dock

it's literally in the box

[spiral wadi]

u need a capture card to record on switch

otherwise it's only 30sec clips

[flint widget]

just record like 90 times then and stitch it all together 💯

no need for capture card

but tbh all u need is victory screen

[flint widget]

or u could just do it the darkseidphil way

record your screen

[vernal quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1456030469207494746/image.png?ex=6956e18b&is=6955900b&hm=17bc4575ca2098e0197390077267cf04d58283b3cfb09e51a020b6f6c1bf4490&
holy warmup game

[flint widget]

goated build

[regal cobalt]

epic heaven strike is goated

[flint widget]

if u die u are gay

[vernal quiver]

hitless sirens too

lovers was gone sure but still

i dodged scythe throw correctly again 🗣️

[charred field]

Does anyone have a good build for ||rival typhon||

[vernal quiver]

what fear? or are you just talkin in general

and which weapon

[charred field]

Uh just the full rival fear nothing else
And any weapon ig torch or jetpack

[tawny arrow]

Shiva with poseidon special and also my mouse broke

[flint widget]

bro

ur gonna make sabaho suffer

do circe with zeus cast instead