h2-builds-and-combat

[viral yew]

Minimum 50f requirement to join the discord

Sub 6 and sub 8 times too

[odd bolt]

I got bell on my chaos trial

[odd bolt]

Too low make it 67

[south crystal]

As an antler hater, that sounds worse than the antler

[indigo crescent]

I am really having trouble with Medea, I take way too much damage, and it sometimes looks like I am just phasing through foes

any tips ?

[viral yew]

Got that one first region my last chaos trial

[viral yew]

Attack once, and then special, then do that as fast as possible, and don't do it into an attacking enemy, you can zone with oattack and special if you're not confident

[south crystal]

Pretty sure the bell has to be the worst keepsake in the game

[viral yew]

I have clips of me using it but they have rivals spoilers

[odd bolt]

Yeah I got it on the first region

And won actually

[vernal quiver]

Evil eye

[viral yew]

I would take bell over eye or stone

Or figurine

[south crystal]

Evil eye is almost never useful but has no downside?

[indigo crescent]

I tried to do 2x attack, special, etc etc, but since I seemed to be phasing through, sometimes it made me do 4 and nothing for the one after

I guess I didn't focus on surrounding enemies, and honestly did not try O attack lol

[spark crown]

Bell is goated of you can no hit

[silent crow]

stone is 100% the worst

[spark crown]

Just like butterfly from h1

[viral yew]

Evil eye is fine there are just better keepsakes every time

[silent crow]

similar to butterfly it is bad

[south crystal]

Figurine is amazing when you have to complete the minor prophecy that requires you to use all the arcana. You start with judgment and activate the figurine

[viral yew]

If you've seen the rivals fights I can send you clips of me playing it otherwise YouTube or others will have guides

[odd bolt]

same

[viral yew]

Still incredibly niche

[odd bolt]

I got bell into phial into fleece

god...

[silent crow]

phial is pretty good

[odd bolt]

i dont even remember what it hit

[viral yew]

https://imgur.com/a/HGaSgVm

[south crystal]

Fleece is good too if you use omega moves tho?

[silent crow]

of the non jpom keepsakes phial is like A rank

[viral yew]

Droplet, fang, and antler are all better/more damage

[odd bolt]

no

[south crystal]

The scarf is amazing for the dress to kill achievement

[silent crow]

its solid

very niche but can do things

[viral yew]

Also you need to take 250 damage to activate it

Which is really bad

[south crystal]

Sure, I am just saying it’s still good

[odd bolt]

i dont even remember anymore but i think i just got hard carried by dual moonshot on my great chaos below

[silent crow]

250 dmg isnt that much

[south crystal]

It’s really good if you suck though,

[viral yew]

😒

Droplet is more damage

Malkin and someone else did the maths

[odd bolt]

man i really dont like the screen to check previous runs i wish you could see more information

[south crystal]

Droplet is my go-to keepsake for the fields

[viral yew]

Droplet is fine for fields if you plan to take anything other than fleece

[broken spoke]

I just taking gambling hammer for region 3 for fun run

[odd bolt]

like i cant even see the rarity of stuff, the only ones that show rariry are infusions and duos

[odd bolt]

same

[south crystal]

The fields can waste a lot of your timer if you don’t find the tree fast enough. The leaves don’t always help

[odd bolt]

i literally lost runs before because of hammer on region 3

but i still pick it anyway

[broken spoke]

Sadly...i somehow used to field layout now so i can find tree pretty fast

Too much hades moment

[indigo crescent]

I just follow gold leaves and hope for the best

[odd bolt]

I usually can find the tree fast too, but actually knowing layouts of of the top of my head I maybe know like three

[broken spoke]

It is like instinct

Idk about the actual layout

[odd bolt]

I get it I get it

[viral yew]

Yeah couldn't tell you how to actually run fields i go off vibes

[south crystal]

Why are the knuckle bones lower than the olympian keepsakes

[odd bolt]

Sameeee

[viral yew]

Because they're good for one rivals fight and that's it

[silent crow]

nah knuckle bones are pretty good

[odd bolt]

Who needs to learn fields layouts when there's Athena to pause the timer for you

In speedruns at least...

[viral yew]

They're fine, I just think defensive keepsakes are weaker

[vernal quiver]

Oh actually ive been meaning to learn but have been too worried to actually learn, if I start a fight in fields with athena still there does the timer still stay paused?? I remember watching a run or 2 but I forgor

[odd bolt]

for a little bit

[viral yew]

Yes it does

It's paused until she's gone

[odd bolt]

you can also get like all small rewards and see wheres the exits and stuff

[south crystal]

I thought the bones reduces the damage all guardians dealt to you?

[broken spoke]

10% is too little

[viral yew]

Only the region you have the keepsake

[silent crow]

shes talking about one specific fight

[viral yew]

I use it for the promaclese fight

[south crystal]

Ah lame, I thought that was only true for that area’s guardian hp

[odd bolt]

i had a funny moment in a run where athena showed up and i went to pick all small rewards and then i completely LOST her i spent like 5 minutes trying to find her, my split was already bad but imagine if it was good and i submited a run where i spend 5 minutes to find athena

and she was behind a wall...

https://i.imgur.com/3jTd8RN.jpeg

[viral yew]

NO I LITERALLY DID THIS THE OTHER DAY

[broken spoke]

Lmao

[south crystal]

Speaking of this, I think Echo has a visual design problem, since she blends too much with the background

[viral yew]

[broken spoke]

Maybe

[odd bolt]

would be a problem if she moved but shes always in her spot idk

[broken spoke]

Played too much that I already used to those thing

[south crystal]

It took me a lot of runs to notice him in Hades’ room

[viral yew]

Bearded bouldy?

[south crystal]

Yes

[south crystal]

True, but the first few times were really confusing

[odd bolt]

A dumb confession I can make is that I played throughout the entire EA thinking my save was bugged because I couldn't gift echo... I legit only learned you need to speak to her first then gift her after 1.0

[viral yew]

A common error

[analog solar]

wait what’s 50-62

[viral yew]

Like the vows?

[oblique hazel]

fear is the system for increasing the difficulty of the game which is unlocked after beating chronos for the first time, the higher the number of fear the more difficult the game becomes up to a maximum of 67. generally the highest most people will ever go is 32 fear, but since i personally play between 50 fear and 62 fear the tier list is biased towards that difficulty level

especially with the “max scars” tier, most of those boons are quite good but at a certain fear level the game disables all healing which makes them useless

[hollow stag]

What are good hammers for Melinoe Skull with Possessed Array hammer and Hera Born Gain?

Is 2nd best hammer Wide Grin?

[viral yew]

Volatile array

Wide grin doesn't get the Mel bonus so I tend to not like it but it is pretty funny

[analog solar]

This is very confusing :’)

[viral yew]

Have you cleared a run yet?

[analog solar]

So I started yesterday

I got to chronos but I ALMOST beat him

Like I’m so mad, I had such a good run and he was like at 15% hp

Oh also where is adamant

cuz I went to the upper world to find it but I’m confused if I needa beat the cyclops first

[viral yew]

Yeah I wouldn't worry about fear just yet then

[analog solar]

oh okay bet 🙏

[viral yew]

Region 3 of surface

[viral yew]

First or second healthbar

[analog solar]

oh… I’m cooked 😭

[alpine raft]

you'll get there 🔥

[hollow stag]

What are good Hermes boons for Mel Skulls?

[viral yew]

Trying to unlock coat I assume

[analog solar]

OHHHH wait i did beat him first time but i made a mistake and when i did the 2nd health bar, he did a huge wave of damage and i had to sit in the circle but i went outside the circle and died and I realized after i died

[viral yew]

What are your options? Cause in general I just take the best of the three it's never really weapon dependent

[analog solar]

Maybe🙏

[indigo crescent]

not missing out on much with the coat

[analog solar]

oh okay good😭

[indigo crescent]

its fun but lackluster imo

[viral yew]

You're missing out on lots, it's my favourite

Tricky to build and play well tho

[analog solar]

now I’m confused 🫡 cuz one dislikes the coat and the other loves it😭🙏

[hollow briar]

I will not fall for this ragebait

[indigo crescent]

I think its a fun weapon, but there is better ones

[hollow stag]

Would Nimble Limbs be #1?

[odd bolt]

It's so funny tho

[viral yew]

All weapons and aspects are good, just use whatever you find fun

[hollow briar]

Dude, it’s incredibly strong, what LOL

[viral yew]

Very much depends on build and run situation

[odd bolt]

Wide grin + Bolstered array on mel skull is soooo funny

[hollow briar]

Autofire tech or D-Strike spam are both super powerful

[analog solar]

hm okay, I like the Wands rn, my uncle who plays has like so much stuff and I’m only about 10 runs away from him so I’m confused on how he has so much 😭🙏

[viral yew]

Wdym so much stuff?

[analog solar]

he had more weapons

And pets

[viral yew]

Aspects? You unlock those soon

[analog solar]

oh bet

[viral yew]

To unlock pets you need to confide in frinos three runs in a row

[analog solar]

Who the heck is frinos, I remember like a good 3 names and that’s it 🤓

[indigo crescent]

frog

[analog solar]

ohhh what’s confiding tho

[viral yew]

Frog, he's to the left of where you spawn in the crossroads

Just go to him and it'll tell you to press a button

[indigo crescent]

you press T or whatever the bind is on controller to him

[analog solar]

like when she pets him?

[viral yew]

Yes

[indigo crescent]

yeah same principle

[analog solar]

oh so I just keep doing that?😭

[viral yew]

Keep doing that each time you die yes

[broken spoke]

Imagine not petting frinos

[indigo crescent]

yeah, after 6 times he can follow you in your runs IIRC

[analog solar]

OHHHHH bro I’ve been skipping him

[viral yew]

3

[viral yew]

Dumbass 😂

[analog solar]

I pet him a good 2 times tho pretty sure

[indigo crescent]

he yearns for more

[analog solar]

Wait is it in a row I needa pet, or at any time

[viral yew]

Needs to be 3 in a row

[analog solar]

Dang it

[viral yew]

So pet him, do a run, die, pet him again, and so on

[analog solar]

so ur saying I should die the first 2 seconds of the run and redo it again🫡

[viral yew]

Yessir

[analog solar]

oh ayyy bet

[indigo crescent]

frinos also helps you out on compelling shades and gives you more HP if im not mistaken

also makes them spawn more

[viral yew]

Correct

[indigo crescent]

I think once you have a pet it unlocks Circe aspect no ? or unrelated ?

[odd bolt]

i pet raki every time before trying a speedrun for good luck

[viral yew]

No clue

[analog solar]

What are shades…

Oh guys what are good cards to redeem in the thingy

[indigo crescent]

you know the green dudes that you need to press right / left click when shown

[analog solar]

oh yeahhhh

[indigo crescent]

that give psyche

[viral yew]

Arcana?

[odd bolt]

youll eventually get them all

[analog solar]

yes…

[analog solar]

yeah ik

[viral yew]

Which ones and how much grasp do you have

[indigo crescent]

yeah them, frinos make them spawn 20% more and cleanses them without you clicking anything

[odd bolt]

but for the beginning death is very useful, gives you extra lifes

[analog solar]

I think i have 21

I could show u inabit but im not on hades rn

[viral yew]

Ah ok, you can dm me whenever and I can give you the best setup with what you have

[analog solar]

Ay bet :0

[indigo crescent]

I think my setup for Medea is bad, which could explain why I can struggle with it

[viral yew]

What's your setup?

[indigo crescent]

do you even use omegas with medea ?

[viral yew]

Are you running speedrun arcana?

[viral yew]

I use oattack when enemies are spawning for huntress otherwise no

[indigo crescent]

I cant send pics but I got

1st column without sorceress
2nd column entirely
3rd row entirely
The Queen
Divinity

[viral yew]

One sec lemme check that

That's fine, I would swap death for strength and persistence for huntress

Oh and wayward for sorceress

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMzIiwiYzYiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTYiLCJjMTciLCJjMjEiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjMiXQ==

Otherwise stick with your normal setup

[indigo crescent]

I am not good enough for no death

I will take out persistence for huntress since I leave a lot on the table here

[odd bolt]

Trust me strength is worth it

The damage reduction is better than it seems

[indigo crescent]

I believe you, I don't believe in myself that's the thing

On 3 DD, most runs I finish with 1 left

and thats with 180 - 300 HP range

[odd bolt]

Think of it like this, every point of hp you get or heal is 40% more

And you do more damage

[fierce citrus]

just try a few runs with it

trust

[spark crown]

trust us with your hades 2 runs

[scenic flower]

Do you guys do fates whim runs and how is ur setup and like keepsakes when u do

[viral yew]

It's the meta

[spark crown]

Fw is meta

[viral yew]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMjMiLCJjMjQiXQ==

Arcana setup

[spark crown]

jpop hammer pin wantler/pin is keepsakes

[viral yew]

Keepsakes are Jpom->Chrolex->hammer/droplet/amulet/whatever->antler/pin

[spark crown]

damn i was close

but it dosnt matter cuz Chrolex

[median anvil]

fates whim is the meta for high fear

[fiery kraken]

Pin better than fang?

[spark crown]

yes

you can get a free heal to 60hp every room

[viral yew]

Pin is better defensively, fang is better for more damage

[vernal quiver]

Although there is an argument that pin is more damage on the boss

[spark crown]

my disciple @bitter wren just sub 4ed hecate im training him well

no frenzy and he got sheeped so he can be slightly faster

[spark crown]

forgot to mention this man currently maining mel axe

90% sure he also cant lvl it yet

[vernal quiver]

Wdym he got sheeped to be faster 😭

[spark crown]

no as in if he didnt get sheep

[vernal quiver]

Just dodge the damn thing

[spark crown]

its his first m&k game

hes a little slow

[broken spoke]

His time could be faster

[spark crown]

and dosnt have carpel tunnel buff yet

[broken spoke]

Because he got sheeped and no frenzy mean the time can be improved

Thats what metal mean

[spark crown]

so happy someone can read and understand my chicken scratch

@bitter wren this still your arcana setup? https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiXQ==

[bitter wren]

yuh

[spark crown]

you got enough psyche to upgrade your grasp

[bitter wren]

noh

i already upgraded

[spark crown]

how much you got now?

grasp

[bitter wren]

16

[spark crown]

you should try and switch sorceress with enchatress or artificer

unless you omega attack alot

[bitter wren]

I don't

[spark crown]

make your cards look like this https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMiIsImMzIiwiYzYiLCJjNyIsImM4IiwiYzExIiwiYzEyIiwiYzE2Il0=

fr fr

[edgy nacelle]

if you are channeling tho then sorceress is kinda insane

[spark crown]

im training this one right fr

[edgy nacelle]

lowkey the most valuable arcana card for builds that want it
debatable I guess since orig exists, but. idk, I love sorceress

peak card

[spark crown]

id argue judgement is the most valuable :)

[edgy nacelle]

....also death/strength and persistence exist, BUT, still, not having channel speed when you need it feels sooooo ass

I guess judgement has the best value to grasp ratio
however
I like having fun in region one 😌

[spark crown]

this lazr guy dosnt really answer pings smh

(im go bug him on snap XD )

[upbeat matrix]

Hes lazr focused?

[bitter wren]

HEY

[bitter wren]

Doing it now 😔

[spark crown]

do you have keepsake switching yet?

[bitter wren]

Ye

[spark crown]

whats your current roll out?

[bitter wren]

That zeus bracelet

[spark crown]

r1: r2: r3:

[vernal quiver]

Already on the right track

[spark crown]

thats cuz im training him

[bitter wren]

Idfk;-; I just use zeus then the lucky tooth

[broken spoke]

So he gonna 60f next?

[spark crown]

yeah yeah straight from 0 to 60f

[spark crown]

so for that r1: bangle r2:tooth r3:

[vernal quiver]

Casting wont be his playstyle ong

[spark crown]

NAH NAH I TRAINED HIM RIGHT HE CASTS (maybe)

[broken spoke]

Tbf at early idc about keepsake and use whatever to level them up lol

[bitter wren]

Haven't made it past scylla since I got switching 😢

[spark crown]

do better smh

[broken spoke]

A lot of my early run is 1 keepsake across 4 region at 0f

[bitter wren]

Bc my mentor is too busy 😔

[vernal quiver]

Yeah early on you do whatever

[spark crown]

instead of tooth try switching to onion

[vernal quiver]

If you have wayward son onion is a bit redundant

[edgy nacelle]

when I was starting out I just focused on leveling stuff up + trying new things tbh
like, pin is great, but idk if I even really recommend it early on. it pops off when you know how to make a good build and tell when a room is ending

[spark crown]

so is reaching scylla with 10hp XD

cuz he has lvl 1 mel axe

[edgy nacelle]

god keepsakes are always great to fulfill prophecies for bones + try out builds
tooth and onion are p nice early yeah
phial is pretty potent early game I feel
uhhhh what else does he prob have access to. idk if I used silken sash much

[spark crown]

@bitter wren who have you gifted so far

[broken spoke]

I used sash for leveling and that achievement lol

[edgy nacelle]

oh, charon keepsake is available early. idt it's very good but if you don't have the boatman arcana card yet and want to focus on trying new things idt it's bad for your first few runs tbh 🤷

[broken spoke]

Idk when i actually used it

[bitter wren]

Ody, skelly (I can't remember how to type his name) nem, dora, zeus and I forgot who else 😢

Oh charon

[vernal quiver]

I think early on what I did was god trinket -> god trinket -> pin for the rest of the run

[edgy nacelle]

oh moon beam is also available super early
but that's more niche. can pop off tho

[spark crown]

if you are in the crossroads go look at your keepsakes chest

[broken spoke]

Go level nem keepsake to ensure you never use it again

[bitter wren]

I'm mid run

[spark crown]

smh just know what we need from you smh

[edgy nacelle]

I think I usually did god keepsake => god keepsake or phial => moon beam tooth or pin => tooth or pin?
but also I just messed around with random stuff a lot, I didn't like using maxed out keepsakes when I had others to level still

[spark crown]

by my estimate you should be night 35 so you should have a few with the nectar youd have received

[edgy nacelle]

and then as soon as I unlocked it my hammer addiction began lol

[broken spoke]

Vibe based keepsake

Yea hammer addiction is real

[spark crown]

i had chaos egg adiction

[edgy nacelle]

chaos egg just never hits the same for me
I totally get it, but I don't like the feeling of rolling my ideal boon room 1 and knowing it WILL be replaced by the time I leave the region 😔

[spark crown]

i mean i always rol lthe best one right at the end so i dont have this issue

[edgy nacelle]

plus highroll on hammer goes absolutely crazy
strike or revival from chaos is all well and good, but p.array, p.whirlwind, trick knives, shimmering rockets? peak

[broken spoke]

Wide grin on medea instead

[edgy nacelle]

got shimmering rockets in oceanus for my nyx 62 because I decided to gamble instead of taking chrolex lol

[edgy nacelle]

this has happened to me so, so often
but then I get p.array in fields and forgive the rng lol

[spark crown]

@bitter wren already speedrunning 0f XD

sub 4 erebus XD

[grim current]

While I fiercely favor Origination, why does it cost 5 Grasp in compairison to Huntress' 2?

[broken spoke]

Because it is global damage

[grim current]

I observed that.

[broken spoke]

Huntress is just for atk and special

[grim current]

However, I doubt it applies to Olympian DMG a la Hephaestus blasts.

Does... it interact with Hex DMG...?

[broken spoke]

It applies to that

[grim current]

Oh, fecund. Really?

[broken spoke]

It apply to every damage other than triad and hitch

[grim current]

Heh. How many a time are people irked by Triad dealing 777 DMG instead of 666 at max lv?

[spark crown]

777 is lucky numbers?

[grim current]

I digress. At any rate, equipping Origination is even greater discourager to equip "+x%" DMG dealt attack & flourish boons, eh?

[spark crown]

But anyway maxed triad is actually 1111 if my maths is right

(heph ledg and the one hammer)

[grim current]

Changing the subject, even after equipping Zeus' ranged Cast boon, I really can't say I liked Aspect of Charon. My build didn't congeal with it perfectly (I equipped Night), but I barely victored with a mere 12 Fear.

[spark crown]

I hate the aspect tbh

Feels odd

[viral yew]

you take both

[viral yew]

charon doesnt do too well with ranged casts tbh

works better with local casts and dash charged specials

[broken spoke]

Zeus lightning lance is ok because it basically instant

But then you have zeus in god pool

[viral yew]

you cant double special on giga or apollo leg

[broken spoke]

You can

[spark crown]

Aspect teirlist and keepsake teirlist coming soon™

[viral yew]

and charon is the only aspect zeus isnt great on

[viral yew]

am I just bad

[broken spoke]

Probably

[spark crown]

Definitely

[viral yew]

I've only done the one 50f i dont play charon much

[broken spoke]

Other range cast you can't tho

[grim current]

Oh? Blitz & Aether Gain is considered undesirable?

[broken spoke]

There is better choice

[viral yew]

ionic gain sucks but blitz is the best on anything else

[broken spoke]

They are serviceable

[viral yew]

it's just charon that doesnt like it

[grim current]

I used Fates' Whim, so I couldn't have pick Hestia's ranged Cast boon.

[broken spoke]

Don't pick other range cast boon on charon

[viral yew]

nope

[broken spoke]

And hestia is probably the worst god on charon

[viral yew]

Amen

[grim current]

Apparently, Hestia's Ring boon is considered weak?

[broken spoke]

Not good on charon

It is a good cast

[grim current]

I thought as much.

At any rate. I still managed to complete a run with Aspect of Charon, however close of a victory it was. I'm never playing it again. Aspect of Melinoe, Thanatos, & Nergal are far more fun/intuitive.

[hollow briar]

Tried running for speed for the first time n' got a 6:40

[vernal quiver]

I never touch the damn thing and ik you can 🥀

[viral yew]

i hate mel and than, love nergal and charon way more for speeds and fear

[hollow briar]

Is this good, yeah or nah

[broken spoke]

What a flex

[viral yew]

(I say like i didnt just hit a than pb)

still hate tho and think the other axes are better

but its not a big difference

[grim current]

Well, I played with Jeweled Pom region 1 instead of Calling Card, @digital juniper, @surreal hazel, & @viral yew. After finally letting go of my vain lust for __>__rare boons, I'm unsurprisingly powerful.

[viral yew]

charon still clears all of them power wise

[viral yew]

Good

[grim current]

Now I'm like everybody else.

[broken spoke]

Jpom pilled

[grim current]

I wish Calling Card could turn the Pool of Purging into a rarifying station.

So Crystal Figurine isn't considered very powerful? At first glance, it looks very powerful. In my first runs equipping it, I even got Judgement! However, I didn't find myself equipping it after I levelled it up, instead referring to the oh-so precious Olympian-summoning boons.

[vernal quiver]

Yeah its dookie

[viral yew]

So bad

[broken spoke]

Because (not very) surprisingly you already get most arcana you want already with 30 grasp

[vernal quiver]

Even on judgment runs its a waste cuz judgment gives you basically everything

[broken spoke]

At best you unlock 2 nice to have but not very powerful arcana you want

[surreal hazel]

You can still get 6 rarifies, you just get +3 levels from the first region, rather than second. That's the thing

core boons are all pommable (Except tough gain, kinda, sorta, shhh), but some later support boons and hermes aren't, so rarifies actually matter more later on

and hey, you might still roll an Epic Level 4 heaven strike in room 1

[grim current]

Yeah. Equipping Calling Card region 2 made me appretiate all the non-pommable boons that much more.

[surreal hazel]

we do like a good heroic success rate, we do

I'm still pretty stingy with my rarifies though

[manic shuttle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1438829189385031692/1453309488915284101/1145350_771.jpg?ex=694cfb6f&is=694ba9ef&hm=712b2649297d734760a368e81552c9a15e84e444c7bc551a812be59eed87d095&

I think I should reset, not a good start

💀

[viral yew]

[vernal quiver]

Yeahhhh 30 damage might as well be dead

[surreal flame]

does anyone know what boons would be ideal for Than Axe?

[viral yew]

Blitz attack ares special

According to my most recent than run anyway

[vernal quiver]

Put the % on whichever omega you wanna do and blitz on the other

[surreal flame]

gotcha

[broken spoke]

Blitz atk arc flash psychic whirlwind trust

[vernal quiver]

Oh truuue

[safe agate]

Oh wow, never saw Tropical Cyclone before, replaying the game from the start and first time lol

Shame its randomly aimed though

[surreal hazel]

Honestly Thanatos has the most narrow spread between the best and worst boons, it can make almost anything work

[tawny arrow]

Buried treasure

[flint widget]

my arrays are possessed

[spark crown]

whats current uw speedrun wr?

[flint widget]

3:54 by foolish

[spark crown]

DAMNNNN

[slate trench]

Anyone else constantly get themselves killed by accidentally opening your boon list during combat?? Why can you even open during combat or why doesnt it pause? So stupid

[upbeat matrix]

I usually open codex in shops (timer paused there) or when a god boon offerings are already shown to me, and mark things which I want accordingly

[slate trench]

Codex is prevented from being opened during battle, which is what they should do with the active boon list

[spark crown]

timer is paused while in the codex

[tall notch]

I cannot say I've ever misclicked the boon menu, sounds like a skill issue

[broken spoke]

Can't related, controller user

[slate trench]

Playing on controller, finger slips off the joystick, hits the dpad and it opens, i do it all the time lmao but they intentionally disabled the other menus that are brought up with dpad during combat but not that one, for reasons unbeknownst

[broken spoke]

..... how

[alpine raft]

bind it to a different button

[slate trench]

I could but theres no reason you should even be able to open it during battle

[tall notch]

What controller are you using? Finger slipping off the joystick and misclicking the dpad sounds absolutely wild to me

[slate trench]

Steam deck

[tall notch]

I have used a steam deck and that just sounds like there's something wrong with your finger 😭

[alpine raft]

it is strange you can open it but it's not hard to fix

[flint widget]

i use the steam deck all the time and my finger doesnt slip

[tawny arrow]

Any controller that isn't the xbox 360's is an aberration and abomination against god

Kbm superiority

[slate trench]

They are practically on top of each other lmao your fingers dont get sweaty during 50+ f surface runs? Im not saying it happens every five seconds but annoying when it does and it shouldn't be a thing if they went out of their way to disable others

[flint widget]

i play 50f+ runs and they dont slip

maybe its just ur nerves idk

[alpine raft]

you're right but just re bind it

[slate trench]

So you've never accidentally pressed the wrong button in your entire hades career? Legendary

[flint widget]

yeah

[tall notch]

I'm still amazed that it's even possible to misclick the dpad, can you post a video of yourself doing that for science?

[broken spoke]

Imagine they disabled that just for next day another person come and complain they can't check chaos trial boon and fear at start of run

[meager bramble]

Any y'all know whether Hazard Boom really breaks Howling Soul, or I just got it confused somehow in my run?

[viral yew]

This has to be a skill isse

[slate trench]

Or maybe just make it pause the game like menus that cover the screen and prevent character movement usually do in single player games

[broken spoke]

Good question, i never pick hazard boom

[meager bramble]

I only did it this time because fated list

I want a refund on my Jpom 😭

[tall notch]

Just blame Icarus

It's his fault

[meager bramble]

God I wish Icarus hadn't been nerfed to hell and back across EA

Between that and pom scaling nerfing his "+level for big priming" boons are almost always worthless

Admittedly that's partially because Jpom 😆 but even without it it's rarely hugely impressive!

Jpom and Persephone is very funny also

[alpine raft]

yes icarus a cast that hurts me please

[slate trench]

Explosive intent is one of my favorite boons, besides that hes kinda unerwhelming

The boon that delivers stuff like every 7 encounters or whatever would be a lot better if you got the first delivery when you take it

[alpine raft]

that one's also sort of irrelevant with jpom

[slate trench]

Yea its not great to begin with and its almost useless if you dont get anything at all until 7 turns later

[flint widget]

his armor boons are good tho i have to admit

[surreal hazel]

Ingenious strike/flourish when you have a volcanic in that slot...

Nothing on how busted those were in ea

[turbid crescent]

Does drunken stupor, or any boon that says "omega moves" also apply to omega cast?

or just attack and special

[surreal hazel]

Cast included

[turbid crescent]

oh well
my circe build might be an omega cast demon 😭

[surreal hazel]

Exceptional talent only affects omega attacks abd special but it's explicit about that

[surreal hazel]

Working as designed

[magic cobalt]

Accidentally jeweled pomed my way into a stupid strong build

[turbid crescent]

I WAS 1HP
clutched it

[magic cobalt]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[lone quartz]

what build shud i run for circe

[turbid crescent]

Zeus cast

[digital juniper]

yeah grab zeus cast, ideally double strike, run raki or toula

anything with that combo works basically

[surreal hazel]

Smolder ring is good too

But going zeus and apollo gives you a shot at the glorious disaster lolbuild

[flint widget]

tbh any cast can work for circe except sword ring

[surreal hazel]

Even that can.

But it's reliant on a few possible duos

[flint widget]

yeah ik but sword ring cant benefit from double cast and that's the whole gimmick for circe

[surreal hazel]

Mmm. You kinda need to go for AOE yeah

Or pray for hostile environment. But meatgrinder is a much better prereq for it

[forest hinge]

whats a good regen for Ospecial Anubis builds?

[flint widget]

born gain

[forest hinge]

ok what about not born gain cus ill just run out of mana lmao

[hollow briar]

Tranquil, lowkey

[flint widget]

eh silver wheel exists

[hollow briar]

You have the range capabilities to just stand there every so often with O-Spesh gaming

[forest hinge]

lowkey a good regen, used it last run but i died from silly attack lol

[hollow briar]

Been valuing it a lot more recently at 55+ and Ionic a little less

[surreal hazel]

Tranquil is pretty great for supay

[flint widget]

plus rarely have i ever primed out using born gain

[surreal hazel]

Autofires don't interrupt it

Tranquil is like, the better ionic gain

Especially on jpom since it regens as fast as doing the interact animation

[flint widget]

so u don't have to stand still for one billion years to get magick right

[surreal hazel]

I remember ea1 tranquil, it was so sad

[flint widget]

tbh the fact that u have to stand still to activate tranquil gain makes it such a turn off

[hollow briar]

Nope. It also lowkey doesn’t feel awful even at lower Levels/Rarity

[flint widget]

maybe i should try tranquil sometime

[surreal hazel]

1 second wait time, fixed regen speed instead of proportional

[surreal hazel]

With jpom tranquil gives you more than enough regen

Recharging in 0.5+0.7 seconds isn't much different to 0.5+.65

[hollow briar]

For sure, yeah, there’s diminishing returns at a certain point

[surreal hazel]

The 0.5 is the real delay

You can also "pom" it with mana tonics

Pretty sure it doesn't scale down due to priming either

[bronze flax]

Omg, Godsent Total Eclipse obliterates the Sirens lmao

[bronze flax]

Tranquil Gain + Wolf Howl is just funny. The game counts the time you're on the air as idle time, so you regen all your magick

[manic shuttle]

realized that Lone Shades always target the true Hecate

[spiral wadi]

pretty sure they just target the closest hecate

[manic shuttle]

really? it was the true one both times lol

[grim current]

Well, the non-clone Hecate does like pursuing the player on foot.

I favored Furnace Blast when it seemed like Glow's +15% | +17% DMG is independent from Melinoe's attack.

I would still like to like Furnace Blast when it adds DMG to my attack/special. But with this knowledge, it seems like Hephastus' Rush boon becomes that much more dominant more than it already was.

What do you guys think about it?

[digital juniper]

smithy rush isn’t great unless you get both furnace blast and grand caldera and pom it, and unless you have a blast attack/special that investment really isn’t worthwhile

not to mention the existence of frigid and blinding rush

buttt the status effect glow is great

[manic shuttle]

everybody knows that

[tawny arrow]

How the Hel do i beat frenzy cerberus
I just can't avoid bro

[surreal hazel]

Just block bro

[forest hinge]

does an Apollo Legendary on Pan build sounds crazy or cracked?

[tawny arrow]

I legit blocked with shiva and his fire breath still got thru

[surreal hazel]

It was a joke

[surreal hazel]

Sort of. Hidden knives is better

[flint widget]

i think we need to see ur gameplay in order for us to fix ur problem

[flint widget]

ripoff hidden knives

[tawny arrow]

Imagine a big dog mauling an innocent goddess at near lightspeed

[flint widget]

uhuh

that doesn't solve anything

maybe a save state can help ease ur hatred with frenzy rivals cerby

but personally i don't like that method

[tawny arrow]

Shadowspiller can eat my whole entire you know what

Absolutely ridiculous

[flint widget]

ill go send a video of one of my cleaner rivals cerby fights that's max frenzy

https://youtu.be/-uZYue3fJFw?si=M-khmmvbmyVr4dvP

skip to 12:05 for the cerb fight

[alpine raft]

dont hit his combo breaker

[flint widget]

exactly

in the vid i trigger his counterattack multiple times but that's only cuz i was damage racing him to clear the fight faster

[fiery kraken]

Doesn't he block the attacks anyway?

I've been trying strength on my 50 fear runs. Found it very easy to get to chronus but just die there just as easy

Surprised it's that much easier than dds though.

[flint widget]

idk but any damaging opportunity is a damaging opportunity

[spark crown]

happy holidays build chat what runs we doing

[tall notch]

I attempted Shiva 62, but grandpa got me

[spark crown]

average shiva run

[alpine raft]

autofire shiva could be the move

[flint widget]

no huntress tho

[tall notch]

the omegas are actually kinda good i wish i had a way of getting magick back

[hushed moat]

and builds for aspect of Anubis

[viral yew]

Pos attack

[flint widget]

im gonna attempt the trying to sleep run where i try to fall asleep in the shortest amount of time possible

[tall notch]

have you got the vow of insomnia enabled?

[flint widget]

possibly

[viral yew]

I'm running a forced to go out to lunch with my family build

[tall notch]

id rather go out to lunch with your family than do another shiva run tbh

[flint widget]

ill update u guys on how successful my attempts are in about 8-10 hours

bye

also metal expect hades 2 in ur actual library in the next 24 hours or so

[spark crown]

peak Thank you Checkmate

have good sleep

[upbeat matrix]

I got to babality on 56 fear sur

Lost thre but still

[tawny arrow]

Never do

Turns out he's ez af and the problem was me forcing a heph build

With shiva of course

[tawny arrow]

Turns out tranquil gain can actually be pretty decent????
I would've never guessed so

[edgy nacelle]

it restores a lot of magick if you can tolerate how it feels to use
same with ionic gain
the downside is just jank + interrupting the flow of combat lol, so I can't rly stand them

[tawny arrow]

What is the infinity symbol i have where a DD would go?

[edgy nacelle]

are you doing the final underworld run of the main story rn?

if so, the game stops you from dying during ||phase 3|| for like. immersion

so it's quite literally infinite DDs

[tawny arrow]

??????
I never could've died there?????????

[edgy nacelle]

yup
just for that specific run
you get unique dialogue if you die and Mel revives

[tawny arrow]

I damn near broke my fingers trying to fight this dude on frenzy 2 with shiva

Turns out i coulda just waited for my oatk to charge lmao

[edgy nacelle]

you can earlier in the run, and during the other phases
but for p3 you can no longer lose
which is kind of nice for story pacing purposes, + since that phase will be entirely new to people who didn't play early access (since you can't unlock it before the credits now)

[spark crown]

last gasp on that run goes so hard

[edgy nacelle]

it's also new as of the 1.1 update! didn't happen in 1.0, since p3 wasn't included at all

[tawny arrow]

Played early access and never had that part, there was no way to do the incantation

[edgy nacelle]

ik some people on the speedcord were joking about doing 67 fear clears on that night since ||you skip the hecate boss fight|| and then can't die in p3 lol, so it's the easiest possible run for high fear

[edgy nacelle]

during the unseen update (the patch before 1.0) you could unlock all four levels of rivals, and the story hadn't ended yet
if you didn't do it by the time 1.0 came out then you had to unlock it after the credits the way new players do

[tawny arrow]

My laptop didn't really work for the past few months so maybe that's why

[edgy nacelle]

but the story p3 is just from rivals chronos, so I'd seen it multiple times before the ending existed, and kept access to that vow on my file post-update

ahhh yeah, it was a pretty specific slice of time where it was available

it's a hard af phase also
so it's kinda nice that new players who struggle won't get jumpscared by it and die 💀

[tawny arrow]

Yeah dude i was messing with phase 2 chronos cus i knew he had no chance against me so i nearly pissed myself when he got a new phase and i was at half hp

[edgy nacelle]

it's SUCH a fun moment tho... so glad they added it in 1.0, it makes the ending so much more exciting

[tawny arrow]

Yeah i was HYPED

[edgy nacelle]

also trying to do high fear that phase is soooooo rough, my god

[tawny arrow]

Mel was being a badass too

[edgy nacelle]

YEAH

the dialogue goes hard af too

[tawny arrow]

Had like 40 something fear here, including frenzy 2
So wasn't terrible but wasn't very nice either

Made me all the more hyped tho

Gramps's dialogue with zag is just brilliant

[bronze flax]

||The part where Chronos was all sassy saying "Ohh, grandchildren or the void, what a hard choice" then...

+That's it, I'm stabbing you
-No, wait!

||

[split igloo]

||Bro did not even hesitate||

[south crystal]

I’m hunting Chant (a Chaos Boon that requires 1 Aether to appear) for the prophecy. Does anyone has tips to facilitate the hunt besides: don’t put yourself at the Fates’ Whim, try to get a Duo Boon asap and pray for the best?

[edgy nacelle]

do underworld since chaos shows up more often, always check charon wells, and maybe take chaos keepsake too?

[south crystal]

Thanks. Does the keepsake help? It only gives epic boons and Chant is an infusion boon iirc

[digital juniper]

the keepsake can indeed give Chant as long as you have 1 aether

[tall seal]

Just spam Chaos' keepsake

Eventually you'll get it

[south crystal]

Interesting, I had no idea

[tall seal]

That's how I did it

[digital juniper]

otherwise yeah just keep doing what you’re doing, run rerolls, hunt for a duo asap and keep some rerolls for chaos

maximize your chances by just equipping their keepsake throughout the whole run, you could luck into an early duo and a late chaos in erebus

wait what i said doesn’t make sense but yeah

[south crystal]

Thanks

I was sure the egg could not give me Chant

[digital juniper]

nah it’s all luck (and having 1 aether before it’ switches)

since you can get 2 chaos’ but it’s a rarer chance, i’d spend 1-2 rerolls to get a duo ASAP and then just keep the rest for rerolling the first chaos you see after you get a duo

[south crystal]

I feel like getting a duo in the underworld is way slower than getting it on the surface because the surface has ephyra, but the number of wells is a problem

[digital juniper]

yeah the surface isn’t worth it for that due to the fact that a chaos gate can only spawn in the first/second room of ephyra and in olympus

while in the UW the gate can spawn in all of erebus and oceanus, alongside the first room in fields

and as you said, the fact that you can get a spark of ixion in the UW

[scenic flower]

If im not sure whether to go origination or night and eternity because of fates whim which one should i do?

[viral yew]

Origination

[scenic flower]

Ok ty

[viral yew]

Always origination, never take it off

[scenic flower]

Alr

Btw is thunder rush good

[fierce citrus]

No

If your using supay it’s good but that’s it

[viral yew]

Even then it's not great

[fierce citrus]

Yea prolly the worst rush

Imo

[scenic flower]

Lowk doing a run right now i took it over aether gain and the Zeus special

I lowk hate the Zeus gain

[fierce citrus]

Aether gain and Zeus rush should never be touched

[scenic flower]

Fr

[fierce citrus]

Zeus gain is ok if the weapon Dosent use to much magik and you’ve gotten a lot of magik

[fierce citrus]

Yea only attack special and cast are good from Zeus

[scenic flower]

Yeah

[fierce citrus]

Why didn’t you take Zeus special?

[scenic flower]

Idk im using Mel’s staff should i?

[fierce citrus]

Zeus special is good on any weapon lmao

As long as you can use the attack or special it’s good

[scenic flower]

Because i restarted cuz i realized i was doing high fear and the timer was running out texting😭

[scenic flower]

Ok

[fierce citrus]

What fear you running?

[scenic flower]

32

Underworld

[fierce citrus]

What’s the setup like

[scenic flower]

Jpom origination DD Mels staff raki

[fierce citrus]

Lowkey should go strength

[scenic flower]

This is my first run so suggestions are helpful also🎉

[fierce citrus]

Trust and run surface

[scenic flower]

Ok

[fierce citrus]

I’m joking

[scenic flower]

Oh

[fierce citrus]

lol don’t that’s make it 10times harder

[fierce citrus]

One sec

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator

Show me what vows your using

[scenic flower]

I used the fear calculator from lee seam render

Or whatever his name is

[viral yew]

Lee ream snyder

[scenic flower]

Yeah

[viral yew]

@uneven palm your reputation precedes you

[fierce citrus]

What weapon you using?

[scenic flower]

Mel staff

Should i take chaos on these runs

[fierce citrus]

Idrk about chaos gates tbh I always run surface on high fear and I don’t really ever take them

But on 32 you should be fine

[scenic flower]

Ok

[fierce citrus]

Are you running any rivals?

[scenic flower]

3

[fierce citrus]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwyLDYsMCwzLDAsNSwwLDAsMiwwLDYsMCwwLDAsOF0=

I’m not really sure what lees thing is but I’d personally run this

You can take frenzy 2 or time 3 and put return instead

I just don’t enjoy playing with return on

[scenic flower]

I think that’s exactly lees

The one w return

[fierce citrus]

Oh damn yea frenzy 2 or time 3?

For uw I think it would be abit easier with frenzy 2 cause Erebus time can be a bit annoying

[scenic flower]

Time 3 i think lol

[fierce citrus]

Are you planning on climbing high fear?

[scenic flower]

I want to

[fierce citrus]

If so just turn on frenzy 2 and time 3 straight away

It’s better to struggle now and get used to them then having to get used to them later on

[scenic flower]

Should i take the Artemis global crit or the mark

[vernal quiver]

Global crit

Normally for mel staff my go tos are like the special crit chance, crit chance when they're in casts, then global

[vernal quiver]

No need, mel staff is plenty fast although if you fall behind or get a light of ixion in a well then you should

Plus with chrolex its a free 500 gold

[lavish flare]

what exactly am I missing about Aspect of Anubis? Specifically, what's the point of the special pulling enemies towards where you are

[viral yew]

You can pull them into the damage field

[broken spoke]

Pull them to kill you

[lavish flare]

But I have to be careful enough cause if I special them twice they come too close to me

[viral yew]

Just gotta get used to special and dashing away instantly

[cerulean panther]

Hang on, Howling Soul sticks to Eris through her jumps?

[viral yew]

Yep

[simple haven]

Man I cannot crack frenzy for most weapons.

I’m still in the 20s low 30s fear and even if I bump down to like 18 fear with rivals and frenzy and time I get my butt kicked

Do I jsut need to play more defensive? How did yall adjust to it

[grim current]

With how much Fear Frenzy provides, it sounded too dangerous for me.

I mostly opt for Vow of Rivals, Fangs, Hordes, & Grit.

And Menace.

And Shadow.

[simple haven]

Yeah I can do 35ish fear with other things on but zero frenzy

I feel like if I want to push higher I should play with it but I jsut feel like I get jumped by everything especially surface 3 rivals boss. Don’t know what to do to improve it

[grim current]

Heh. The game never asks for greater Fear than 24 surface & 32 underworld. Can't help you there.

[simple haven]

Yeah for sure this is just personal improvement/goals! Love the game and want to “master” it

[cerulean panther]

Aromatic Phial being able to hit Chaos boons wouldn't be that busted, would it?

[indigo crescent]

can you play the game even while steam is down ?

[broken spoke]

You should able to just with no access to cloud save

[indigo crescent]

im sorry I dont know what that means

[broken spoke]

You can

[broken spoke]

Well it all come down to practice

[grim current]

Hm. Should I equip Eternity & Queen? Or Messenger & Night?

[flint widget]

for what exactly

[oblique hazel]

this jit cracks frenzy

[upbeat matrix]

It just takes getting used to tbh

[oblique hazel]

frenzy takes some getting used to for sure, you gotta lose a few runs while you adapt to the faster boss patterns unfortunately but once youve gotten used to it the game feels like its in slow motion without it

[forest hinge]

Question for The People: in Prometheus’ fight, who do you rush down first? I’ve been rushing Heracles, but I’m JUST NOW realizing that rushing down Prom would be much easier since Heracles’ attack pattern is way more simple!

[cerulean panther]

Heracles isn't as aggressive or as in-sync with Prometheus as Asterius was with Theseus.

Half the time he'll be off doing his own thing anyway while you can attack Prometheus by himself, but do watch out for his jump indicator.

[forest hinge]

His Omni-projectile spin move is probably the more annoying one for me cus I’m so confident that I’ll dodge it but then I take 20dmg lol

Also I’ve been running: God Item, Fig Leaf, Gorgon Amulet, and then either Droplet vs Chronos, or Knuckles Bones vs Typhon
(Sometimes I take Antler when I’m feeling extra cocky LOL)

Is there a better 3rd area keepsake?

Athena feels very underwhelming to me if I’m not playing a heavy mana build cus I usually take her amulet to fish for Righteous Pike, btw am I’m crazy for going for that boon? Lololol

[bronze flax]

Hammer*

*Some aspects don't want it, like you don't want to fish Wide Grin on Medea, for example

[silent crow]

knuckle bones is extremely strong vs promacles

[forest hinge]

Does it work on both prom and Heracles?

[silent crow]

yes

if you have hitch itll mjultiply the damage also

[forest hinge]

What’d be a good Typhon relic other than droplet?

[silent crow]

antler/pin

[forest hinge]

I thought about hitch, but I’d rather burst one down so I’m not fight them both on their harder phase

[silent crow]

i mean its like 5000 free damage

[forest hinge]

Antler if I feel cocky, but I play Strength so Pin kinda hurts that

[forest hinge]

K.Bones yes, but Hitch kinda ehhh imo, I’d def accidentally phase one of them too quickly lol

[silent crow]

hitch is objectively really strong

[grim current]

Oh. Does Greater Girth provide +15% received?

[digital juniper]

yes and no.

most healing in this game is % of your total health, so by girth giving you more max HP, stuff like food or the fountain do give you more HP, but not centaur hearts or something like warm breeze

the other circe boon (i forgot its name, old herbal remedy maybe?) does affect all sources of healing, though

[grim current]

I ask because Hecuba's dig food provided 12 . But Wayward Son still heals 5...

[digital juniper]

yep because food in all its forms is a % of your max health

[surreal hazel]

Not that

Dug up hp is +10 fixed. But it oddly does scale with girth and spiritual affirmation

[digital juniper]

ahh i don’t run Hecuba enough to know that it seems

thanks for the correction!

[surreal hazel]

Also happens with sustenance and when artemis drops food iirc. Rare cases still

[digital juniper]

arty can drop food?

[grim current]

When the player is wounded, yes.

[digital juniper]

huh, i don’t think i ever seen that, or just don’t remember

[edgy nacelle]

she even does it with max scars turned on, sigh. to mock me

[spark crown]

What runs we doing build chat

[alpine raft]

heph attack and heph special

[spark crown]

What raritys

[edgy nacelle]

a different game
for the moment
still enjoying my break before I get back to morrigan attempts

hbu 👀

[surreal hazel]

Is it me, or does nova flourish have the fewest use cases of any strike/flourish boon?

[grim current]

Huh. I never paused against Unrivaled Chronos. I was looking up Incantations for whenever I'll finally unlock them. Got spoiled that there's ||one with Icarus||.

Guess I'll have to pause against Unrivaled Chronos to finally unlock it!

[edgy nacelle]

hmm maybe? elaborate on your thought process
I feel like it's rarely the best choice, but I'd also say it has fine use cases, even if other % specials are better for the specific build

like, I wouldn't take it over aphro or hera on mel staff, but I'd still absolutely take it depending on my god pool
charon really loves it, shiva too
pretty solid on anubis too, generally anything which wants % special

and some of those I'd take it over aphro because of the range limitation

[median anvil]

I'd give that to flutter strike

[surreal hazel]

Also very questionable

[spark crown]

listening to @bitter wren do his runs

while playing a dif game

[edgy nacelle]

which diff game today?

[flint widget]

my goal for today is to get out of my skill issue

[silent crow]

ligma

[grim current]

Ben Dover.

[spark crown]

deadzone rouge

[willow jacinth]

what do yall think of rusty.'s arcana tier list/guide

[flint widget]

who tf is rusty

[willow jacinth]

hes a youtuber, used to make hollow knight 'tips/guides' content, then moved on to elden ring and made a few hades 2 videos too

his elden ring takes were a little off and he got some heat for it

and his arcana videos also seem a little.... eh

im only asking cause his videos have a non-insignificant and sizeable audience

he ranked eternity as third worst arcana

[broken spoke]

Just treat it as another person opinion then

[manic shuttle]

eternity good

[flint widget]

i sorta agree cuz eternity is good but situational

[manic shuttle]

but not useful for most weapons

but I take it on morrigan or the axes

[willow jacinth]

Only talking about it because his hollow knight videos shaped the opinion of the casual playerbase a lil bit

[alpine raft]

he'd better not have hyped up sharp shadow

[willow jacinth]

And i wondered what yall thought

[willow jacinth]

No his hollow knight takes were normal ig

He is the angry=funny type of youtuber so his tone is very polarising

Is huntress good?

[flint widget]

yes

[median anvil]

makes sense, it's a niche card that's also very expensive. i think the only time i took it was with charon?

[upbeat matrix]

I saw the video, and I massively disagree with this take and some of his other takes. Eternity is arguably really good torches too, because with torches you are constantly playing in mid range surrounded by enemies and eternity helps keep you safe while doing that. It also helps a ton with keeping the enemies in place for ur attacks/file line to hit them

[manic shuttle]

it not that expensive, 3 grasp, exchangable with artificer imo

it's

[upbeat matrix]

also ngl in hades2 very, very few options are outright bad. Many are situational yes, many dont work at super high fear, but nothing is outright unuseable, tbh

[turbid crescent]

trying ridiculous weird builds is fun lol

ares special dual moonshot + giga moonshot on anubis

[upbeat matrix]

Yeah I love this game because they actually worked on balancing most stuff. Its not perfect yes, but its wayy better than alot of other games tbh

[turbid crescent]

This build is crazy lol
zeus attack + demeter cast makes it insane

[upbeat matrix]

demeter cast on its own is insane HAHA

[alpine raft]

how much does it even slow

[turbid crescent]

LOL typhon first phase destroyed in 5 seconds

same for phase 2 after some dodges

[upbeat matrix]

I don't know the numbers, I go off feel, but it's pretty noticeable when you play with and without it

[median anvil]

the difference in balancing between this and h1 is crazy

[upbeat matrix]

I'm out of the loop with h1, what was it like there

[turbid crescent]

fun

but restricted

[digital juniper]

the difference between good and bad…everything was very obvious

best and worst aspects? astronomical difference

actually maybe not astronomical…but you could very much tell

[median anvil]

an entire weapon was bad, across all aspects

[upbeat matrix]

Which weapon out of curiosity

[median anvil]

like half the boons were useless for both high heat and speedrunning

[median anvil]

sword

[upbeat matrix]

Ohhh

[digital juniper]

nem sword my beloved

[upbeat matrix]

I guess they learned from that and made hades2 alot more balanced (did they outright state this)

[digital juniper]

gilgamesh also existed…

[median anvil]

nem sword is like the pan blades of h2
got double edge/trick knives? great aspect. didn't get it? suffer

[median anvil]

they didn't state it but it's apparent

[digital juniper]

double edge angle applied to all swords

[flint widget]

i mean hidden knives exists as well

[digital juniper]

well not poseidon but you get it

[median anvil]

and that's why this time they released all six (😳) hidden aspects before 1.0

[digital juniper]

arthur with double edge was really funny though i gotta say

[broken spoke]

Guan yu is like why this exist

[digital juniper]

basically mel axe with dashing heave if you think about it

[median anvil]

ok guan yu was actually good

[upbeat matrix]

Wait the hidden aspects in h1 came in 1.0? Damn

[broken spoke]

Level 1 guan yu is extremely funny

[median anvil]

yeah not the most fun aspect to play but it was objectively strong

[median anvil]

three of them dropped at the same time as 1.0 yeah

[digital juniper]

another thing is that zagspects were all pure ass except 1

and now mel aspects are genuinely very good

[median anvil]

funnily enough two of the three that dropped at 1.0 ended up as one of the strongest and weakest aspects in the game

[digital juniper]

mel torches is the weakest out of them and even that one serviceable

[broken spoke]

Yea i was surprised when i see mel aspect being so good

[upbeat matrix]

Also there seem to be more ways to win that ignore the weapon like hexes and cast builds

[median anvil]

(rama and gilgamesh)

[digital juniper]

the arguably best high fear aspect in the game being a mel aspect really says a lot huh

[median anvil]

also the starting aspect of the game technically

[digital juniper]

oh yeah rama is by far the worst aspects in the game and gilgamesh being goated

[median anvil]

we've come a long way from zag sword 😂

[digital juniper]

remind me, rama is hitch:the bow, right?

i always confuse it with hera bow which was beo the bow

[vernal quiver]

yeah

[broken spoke]

Bow is probably the weapon i missed the most from h1

[vernal quiver]

hera ate rama bow and now shes one of the strongest gods in the game

[spark crown]

@bitter wren found out nem can steal chaos gates after he charon welled one XD

[upbeat matrix]

Isn't Rama actually good btw?

Sorry I don't understand sarcasm and I'm out of loop 😅

[vernal quiver]

yeah its one of the better aspects iirc, used it for my 45h clear

[digital juniper]

yeah i was being sarcastic, Rama is one of the best aspects in h1

[spark crown]

thats a question for #h1-builds-and-combat XD (kidding)

[median anvil]

it was hitch-on-drugs the bow

[spark crown]

@bitter wren is doing his first surface run XD

[digital juniper]

wait i just realized it had 60% shared damage at max level

idk why i thought it was 35

[upbeat matrix]

Rama looked super fun to play but I wasted my titan blood on guan yu trying to make it useable

[turbid crescent]

does anyone still play h1 tho?

[vernal quiver]

i mean i did for a hell mode fresh file before playing h2

since then i havent touched it, the chats are semi active though iirc

[turbid crescent]

never beat h1 honestly

h2 is much more balanced

[manic shuttle]

I only did 40h in h1, with chiron and zag bow

[vernal quiver]

lemme see if i still have my 45h screenshot actually

[manic shuttle]

zag bow + flurry shot + dual/triple hammer free win

[upbeat matrix]

I know a few ravenswatch players who think hades1 is better than hades2 and I massively disagree

[vernal quiver]

i like h1 story and music more, and i love how zag moves but the h2 combat is just better

[digital juniper]

i agree with h1 story, still undivided on music. but h2 gameplay is massively better to me

[flint widget]

h1 story better everything else h2 does better imo

[vernal quiver]

YESS i do still have the rama 45 screenshot

[upbeat matrix]

I'm in the same boat here

I think with the story they has a creators pet bias towards zag especially in ending before rework lol

[tall notch]

Omg is that a Boated reference?!

[upbeat matrix]

Of course every sentence of mine has a boated reference hidden somewhere it was not

[flint widget]

hades 3 boutta be even more peak (im coping)

[tall notch]

h2 is just an all-round better game but it's ok, h1 walked so that h2 could run

[vernal quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1453703660457562222/20210311_024735.jpg?ex=694e6a89&is=694d1909&hm=78d049ff3541717bc64aec2e2a54cd8103b789038a19b3554c1983eac8497006&
really terrible pic go

shoutout h1 tho i miss rama bow 😔

[flint widget]

slow ahh

[upbeat matrix]

I thought of playing h1 again and try speeds/high heat but when I played it for a few secs it didn't feel anywhere as polished ad H2

[vernal quiver]

hey i had 4 minutes to spare 😌

[flint widget]

get ur igt up not ur funny up

[vernal quiver]

i thought about doing a higher heat for h1 before h2 but then i remembered its literally just zeus shield and pray

[flint widget]

zeus ofc being goated in both games

zeus shield the goat and blitz being the goat

[vernal quiver]

also shoutout me doing 32h every weapon i forgot i did that

[upbeat matrix]

Yeah I'm ngl I don't like the idea of resetting and such so hades1 would probably feel bad for me

[flint widget]

32 hours on each weapon?

[vernal quiver]

you will not find me doing the same for h2

[flint widget]

rookie numbers

ngl i used to use the rail so so so much back then it was my goat weapon

[spark crown]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-star-wars-emperor-palpatine-palpatine-gif-799657800635657398

[digital juniper]

45h with TD2 is crazy

[vernal quiver]

tbf 32f is a joke, so id probably do like 45/50 but still i hate the knives and coat lol

[median anvil]

which also hit the enemy itself

[spark crown]

32f is a joke XD

[flint widget]

32f with max void tho

[vernal quiver]

tbf i was like 16 and awful at games then 😭

[digital juniper]

60f is also a joke right?

[flint widget]

ngl i should do a 32f run with the worst vows possible

[spark crown]

I wish

[digital juniper]

nah 45h is still a big accomplishment, just surprised that it’s with TD2

[spark crown]

V3 scars 3 rivals 4

[digital juniper]

45h is probably around 50-55f

[flint widget]

that's uh 19 fear

[vernal quiver]

pain3 grit3 hoards3 timer3

[flint widget]

good boy

ok ill be taking my leave now

[spark crown]

I ment as the start duh

Frenzy 0 so no muscle memory

[flint widget]

this is training for 67f trust

[manic shuttle]

Is flutter or vicious strike better if you don't need a curse for origination

[oblique hazel]

vicious strike at least opens up gblow

the only use for flutter strike i can think of is opening up aphro legendary

or like island getaway for glamour gain i guess

[manic shuttle]

game doesn't always give you gblow tho, I wonder which one would perform better in that case

[oblique hazel]

tfw the game doesnt give you blow

[upbeat matrix]

I used to think vicious strike was bad but not anymore tbh, although its not good on fast hitting weapons. It does clear crowds well though because on ur first hit u deal +50 extra dmg on whatever percent bonuses u have

but its not best-in-slot for anything, tbh

[oblique hazel]

medea kind of

i think i overrate ares because the visuals are so fire

ill take an ares boon because they look so good and seeing red numbers on the screen is such a dopamine hit

[manic shuttle]

if you don't have wards clearing, 50 extra damage gets eaten by wards

[upbeat matrix]

Ares is such a weird god to discuss about everything is so polarized about him tbh

[upbeat matrix]

yeah true

I did see it be pretty good on artemis sweeping ambush once, you break wards with special and use the sweeping ambush atk for big numbers

[oblique hazel]

my favourite application of ares is on coat specials with launcher frame, you break wards with your attacks and the rockets come out automatically with big wounds damage

[oblique hazel]

sweeping ambush is a good use for wounds too i think since it gives a full +300% boost that works with wounds power

wounds is cool with external % bonuses

[upbeat matrix]

yeah thats probably one of the cases where ares is best in slot but like there are very, very few cases like that haha

Also can someone convince me to like aphro more lol ? I dont think she is a very strong god tbh

also her boons feel very......boring, as its mostly stat stick style of boons

[oblique hazel]

glamour gain and rapture ring are very nice and thats about it for aphrodite outside of boring damage bonuses

also flutter flourish is super fun since it hits like +350% at epic level 4

[upbeat matrix]

rapture ring is nice WITH JPOM amping up its damage, glamour gain is good on mid use of mana, not aspects that use a huge amount

[upbeat matrix]

yeah this I agree with aphro specials do super high damage but there arent too many aspects that use special mostly

[oblique hazel]

rapture ring is more of a defensive cast imo its nice to keep enemies off of you

[upbeat matrix]

true that its effect is good but like its best on jpom I feel

[manic shuttle]

sweet surrender and wispy wiles are good

spiritual affirmation and secret crush can be good I guess

[oblique hazel]

i forgot about wispy wiles

i love dodge chance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! woohoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[upbeat matrix]

wispy wiles......needs atleast another source of air besides aphro to get really good in my opinion.....and that is sometimes not good with jpom imo

Idk im just not like, completely convinced on aphro I guess

[calm pike]

Rapture ring damage is insane tbh, tho I always go jpom so I guess I'm biased

[surreal hazel]

So good it was nerfed at 1.0 and it's still good

[spark crown]

@bitter wren you need to stop dying to cerby lowkey :)

this is a callout post

[bitter wren]

IVE DIED TWICE BC HE WAS OUT OF FRAME

[spark crown]

:P

died to the easiest boss btw :P

[bitter wren]

I can't assume he won't tunnel under the map in 0.1 seconds

[bitter wren]

Lies

[spark crown]

nope

[bitter wren]

I'm scoping him out frfr

[spark crown]

cerbie is the easiest

[bitter wren]

Just gotta get the fast speed

[spark crown]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/jMUnopUXnIbNrYXAw89KWmzPk0pOunHnIYUS56Ymyjs/https/i.imgur.com/Zyz697B.png?format=webp&quality=lossless

[upbeat matrix]

are you ragebaiting? you are, right?

promcles CANNOT be that low

[spark crown]

i only died to them once and since have had no issues every time i reached them

and this is for me personaly

[vernal quiver]

i forget poly is the bane of your existence

rivals eris in top3 is crazy icl

[spark crown]

idk what it is about rivals poly that s me over so hard

[vernal quiver]

also zag is not hard he has 2 moves 😭

[spark crown]

that both do 50 damage

[upbeat matrix]

what fear

[spark crown]

15

[upbeat matrix]

tbh zag on frenzy2 is really fast

[vernal quiver]

yeah but like why are you ever getting hit by it

or ever taking him in the first place

[spark crown]

cuz him fast

i move to fast and hit it while trying to grab the boon in charons shop

anyway fam is yelling at me to sleep so night build chat

https://i.imgur.com/ZlhycE0.png (a few of these ive moved up but im posting the old list for yall to bask in the light of my old opinions)

[flint widget]

in surface speedruns its viable to take him cuz thessaly boats or olympus rooms can be really long

[upbeat matrix]

atleast eos is high so I know you have seen the light of dawn and thus i am not ragebaited

[spark crown]

thank malkin for eos being on the list at all they got me to play it XD

[upbeat matrix]

The light of dawn blinds me to other weapon positions hence no comment on them

[edgy nacelle]

[spark crown]

theres a whole weapon missing on the list cuz i hadnt played it at the time

[flint widget]

medea disrespect 💔

[spark crown]

ITS DOGWATER

[flint widget]

well, like, that's your opinion, man

[spark crown]

only good on controller

[vernal quiver]

bro hates 3 of the strongest aspects in the game what

[vernal quiver]

bro what 😭 auto aim is dogass kbm is loads better

[flint widget]

and all those three are the top three speedrunning aspects

[spark crown]

medea charon and what

[flint widget]

moros

[spark crown]

oh XD

[vernal quiver]

i was looking more at circe mel staff and medea

[spark crown]

well circe and mel staff are both moving up 1

[edgy nacelle]

circe I think prob suffers from like. ppl recommending it a lot when metal was first trying to jump to 60, in his "I don't cast" era

[vernal quiver]

charon and morors in the bottom is crazy too though

[flint widget]

used to be d1 hater of both back then but that's only cuz i had skill issue

[edgy nacelle]

charon I get being divisive, I feel like it's a vibe based thing if you don't click with it. strong af though

[spark crown]

it actually didnt only time i did cast wason that and charon

[calm pike]

How is poly in hard what

[spark crown]

he is my bane

[calm pike]

Vow hecate is my bane but poly is chill as hell, you get so many boons in ephyra

[spark crown]

well now i really gotta go

[flint widget]

maybe ur just ass

[vernal quiver]

we need a mindset change for that 60 clear istg