h2-builds-and-combat

[devout ermine]

ofc i choke in p3 again 😭

it hurts to be so close but suck so bad

[viral yew]

Happens to the best of us

[devout ermine]

doing a morrigan run, got 110% increase to coin gain in erebus from chaos and i can purge a tart miniboss boon for 1155 😭

https://imgur.com/a/aNw0D33

[left dirge]

I cant stop myself from being mauled by the sirens dw

I can be untouched or be completely lucky on boons and then still just get murdered

[viral yew]

Rivals sirens?

[left dirge]

Yes

I cannot describe why it happens but something in my head turns off when Im fighting them

[viral yew]

What's your target priority

[left dirge]

Tentacles near charybdis, tentacle on the other side of the barrels, Scylla or jetty with the tentacle near the barrels, then drummer and who ever is left

[viral yew]

Pretty much the opposite of what you should do 😭

[left dirge]

Why theyre isolated and you dont need to worry about the stun from the water cannons screwing you or knocking you towards the bombs

[viral yew]

https://imgur.com/a/BNUlYKy

[opal pecan]

Also doubles as an advertisement for Arctic Gale 🫡

[viral yew]

That too

[fierce citrus]

ah yes another day of torment at the ready

i took 58 damage in the first room

[silent crow]

.. aint that the good strat

[viral yew]

No lmfao

[fierce citrus]

i hate how my first runs of the day are so good with the god pool and stuff but i aint warmed up

[fierce citrus]

so i just tried moros in 62 and it feels so much more better tbh

its just so annoying i have no sorceress

idk if i stick to it or not though

like it just feels better with me and with medea im in the enemies faces 100 percent of the time moros im in the face 90percent of the time no difference really lol but I dont take as much damage

and poly felt so much more easier with moros

[cerulean panther]

Nuture of Hera Auto-Watchers are the most busted thing in this game.

[vernal quiver]

Just run return bro 😭

[edgy nacelle]

it's almost like void is a really annoying vow 😔

decided not to take chrolex into oceanus for once only to get midshop scammed...
I. guess I didn't need the money after all, but. feels bad

[bronze flax]

Honestly? Sticking to the hater energy and succeeding by the power of spite seems funnier 😂

[viral yew]

Metal 2.0

[tawny imp]

[edgy nacelle]

I'll give you this
void 2 sounds a lot more fun at 32 fear than at 62

[bronze flax]

I made a Void 2 run, 37F (my usual 32F + Frenzy 1)

It was fine

[edgy nacelle]

reddie is just choosing void over return for 62 which.... I mean I don't get it. but

[bronze flax]

I respect the hater energy... And probably that's the only thing I respect about that decision, but heck, it is respect

[viral yew]

Everyone is playing like metal these days i'm loving it

[dreamy veldt]

What does it mean to get midshop scammed

[oblique hazel]

not getting offered a mid shop in a region, mostly erebus and oceanus

maybe olympus? i feel like its rare there

[dreamy veldt]

Ah ok ty

[fierce citrus]

Exactly when I best 62 it’s gonna be hype

[fierce citrus]

You get it in Olympus once a blue moon

Like you’ll have a higher chance finding me play return (never) then getting Olympus mid shop

[oblique hazel]

return is fun fear change my mind

[broken spoke]

Return is a fear

[bronze flax]

Return

[dreamy veldt]

Playing Circe and pom gave me howling soul

Is that bad? I feel like it's bad

[viral yew]

Yes

[opal pecan]

I have heard tell of ranged cast + Gale theory

[viral yew]

Reset

[dreamy veldt]

Kk

[flint widget]

bro howling soul is good on circe

[upbeat matrix]

Uh, I wouldn't say it's bad, it's just different. Sticking a storm ring on the enemy can be busted

[viral yew]

Nuh uh

[upbeat matrix]

Like.....most cast builds benefit from howling soul, tbh

[flint widget]

i almost damagelessed all rivals bosses on 62f with howling soul circe its goated

fumbled chronos tho and died

[opal pecan]

How do y'all feel about ranged cast Gale theory

[dreamy veldt]

Got heph boon and it gave me the three blasts and all common

I generally don't reset and now I'm about to do it twice in a row lmao

[upbeat matrix]

What's the strategy? I don't understand why gale is important here

[opal pecan]

It was explained to me as "Gale follows you around closely, which allows you to still have one cast at distance and one cast on you(ish)"

Presumably Howling Soul specifically can double up on damage by having both Raki and the HS stickiness each pick a diff target though

Or stack the same one

[upbeat matrix]

Ohhh ok

I am still experimenting with circe tbh but I guess it depends on whether u have winners circle or not

[opal pecan]

I certainly don't think that hard about it myself 😆

Winner's Circle is def nice for those though

[upbeat matrix]

I think like....half the casts like winners circle and half don't....

[opal pecan]

Specifically the range-casting boons I mean, cos it lets you do the rangecast damage more

[upbeat matrix]

Ah ok, like Zeuswhatsitsname lightning thing, hestia glowing coal and howling soul?

Makes sense. I gotta try cast builds with rerolls iv just been messing with them on jpom

Btw are there any aspects other than circe, momus, Charon that can really make good use of cast builds?

[opal pecan]

Theoretically Than axe if you're going to include Momus in that list

But like. Realistically. Ehh.

Oh but uhm haha, Pan, right?

[upbeat matrix]

Yeah pan is another aspect I need to experiment with tbh but that's more special than cast right?

[opal pecan]

I mean, the cast is part of it

[upbeat matrix]

Although I could see winners circle massively pop off with pan

[opal pecan]

I theorize that ranged cast would be potentially quite nice

Let you pick a target for your gimmick without needing to get there yourself first

[upbeat matrix]

Yeah, so there was a strategy I stumbled on while playing eos once, it was a jpom howling soul start, so I took hera cast cus nothing else was there and I wanted hitch, and then I took winners circle and I was hitching everything on the map lol, it wasn't good but it was really funny

[upbeat matrix]

Ranged cast is nice on everyone, tbh

[dreamy veldt]

Going into fields with no cast yet on Circe

[viral yew]

😭

[flint widget]

dw i beat circe 62f surface without getting a cast boon until shop before promacles

cast boons are overrated

[thin gazelle]

Who needs boons anyways

[flint widget]

supay

[spiral wadi]

return to the 1 day skull was busted

[edgy nacelle]

WC can potentially be a bit awkward on Pan too, fair warning
it lets you reposition your cast more often, which can be nice, and it’ll squeeze more damage out of single hit cast boons
but it can also mean your cast disappears before you get to make much use of the homing effect

prob less an issue for trick knives pan, but omega special can take a sec to channel

[upbeat matrix]

Oh ok this is good to know

[edgy nacelle]

pan is in an awakes place rn where it used to be rather op and now it’s like…. a bit underwhelming except with a specific hammer
but it’s still totally usable without! just gets iffy for high difficulty stuff

[upbeat matrix]

Tbh every high fear player iv seen only ever use trick knives on pan

[upbeat matrix]

Because that omega special charge time is very bad right.

Does eternity help at all ? 😅

[edgy nacelle]

eternity can kind of help…? I don’t mind normal omega special pan also, to be clear, it’s just more janky than it used to be

but slap poseidon special, slippery slope, and a cast with a status curse on and it’ll still be fine for most runs

[upbeat matrix]

Ah ok

Cast and omega cast are surprisingly well put together mechanics but only few weapon aspects interact with it which is very weird lol

[edgy nacelle]

omega cast especially is weirdly niche
I guess anything can technically be an ocast build with winner’s circle? but most aspects which interact with cast don’t want you to channel it

[upbeat matrix]

Like cast on this game is generally much more useful than it was in hades1 but in hades1 more weapons made use of the cast like poseidon sword, hera bow, beowulf....any others?

[upbeat matrix]

Yeah it's really funny imo

[edgy nacelle]

charon triggers ocast but doesn’t channel it, pan doesn’t care abt ocast, circe can but prefers not to…
so it’s like. mainly momus I guess.
anubis, than, and persephone also kind of interact with ocasts, and selene can night cycle with them…?

[upbeat matrix]

How does than interact with ocast

[edgy nacelle]

but idk, cast is weird. I love it, amazing ability, but they made it so universal that unlike h1 not that many aspects rly change how it works

[edgy nacelle]

20% crit rate for all omega moves (with full mortality stacks), which includes ocast

[upbeat matrix]

OH

[edgy nacelle]

anubis is similar, channel speed and damage% for all omega moves

[upbeat matrix]

Huh I didn't know that......I can do some more weird stuff then

With than though I have seen people mostly spamming omega attack, tbh

[edgy nacelle]

selene doesn’t interact with cast at all lol it’s just an option if you don’t want to oatk and want to use Night
and then mom skull can like ocast because ocast and cast boons deal olympian damage…? but. not necessary

and yeah nobody rly uses ocast on anubis, but if you want to do an ocast build it’s one of the better options for that

[upbeat matrix]

I actually want to try omega cast selene tbh

[edgy nacelle]

especially for glorious disaster, where half the issue is the annoyingly long channel speed, since anubis helps shorten that

[upbeat matrix]

Hmmmm......More reasons to play anubis 😂

Iv been practicing with it but I'm struggling a little with bosses

[edgy nacelle]

anubis is rly cool, it can be played so many different ways

[upbeat matrix]

Yeah imo all of the staffs look interesting to play, super varied movesets

[edgy nacelle]

like. atk + oatk with on hit effects is ideal for regular play and high fear.
but for speeds you spam ospecial 👀 with stuff like apollo or hera on it, more damage%
and then it’s usable for ocast, and is even kind of fun for sprint only as a meme build because of lone shades

[flint widget]

im back on the 50f speeds grind

[vagrant monolith]

Need help how the heck do I fight rivals Cerberus there’s so much aoe everywhere and the screen is very cluttered I cant tell what I’m supposed to be doing

[flint widget]

OH MY GOD

OH MY GOD

SUB 9 50F SURFACE GRIND IS OVER

[viral yew]

https://imgur.com/a/vMd79UT

[viral yew]

Respect

[flint widget]

i literally hit everything lmao

2 second heph blast, blitz, possessed array, hell even premium service lol

[vernal quiver]

Chat I think the 67f dream is cooked

[signal coral]

?

dont give up king

[vernal quiver]

I cut the tip of my thumb off so now I cant use a controller for a while 🥀

[flint widget]

u what

[signal coral]

wat

oh no

[viral yew]

How'd you manage that

[signal coral]

probably cooking if i were to guess

[vernal quiver]

Wasn't paying attention while cutting an onion 🥀

[viral yew]

Called it

[vernal quiver]

4 hour ER visit

[viral yew]

[flint widget]

onion worst vow confirmed

[vernal quiver]

67f will be put on hold until its healed

[signal coral]

blades are too overpowered

[viral yew]

How much is gone on a scale of cornflake to a Mcnugget

[flint widget]

just do supay 67f, use ur other finger and spam dash

[vernal quiver]

I can dm you the pic of the cut

[viral yew]

Yes pls

[fickle venture]

What combo are you using in this clip? Dash strike + special?

[viral yew]

Yeah I had melting swipe, full run is up on crossroads

[fickle venture]

Is Circe the easiest weapon right now?

[vernal quiver]

Circe and mel staff are both very simple and consistent

Imo the 2 easiest for high fear fs

[spiral wadi]

tru

[flint widget]

id say eos and nyx (special spam) could be part of that group

[upbeat matrix]

I struggled more with eos than circe on my 50F tbh

[flint widget]

yeah cuz eos is less safer than circe

but still pretty damn safe

[vernal quiver]

eos is so funny though

[upbeat matrix]

Damage was more of the problem tbh

But I guess it's skill issue vs eris

[vernal quiver]

tbf eris just stalls tf out of you and on weapons like circe and eos if she just moves 2ft to the left you lose all your damage

[fickle venture]

Is Mel staff even easier than circe since Circe requires positioning more?

[vernal quiver]

id say easier more on the build req, since circe builds exactly like mel staff + cast so its just easier to get live with mel staff

imo the positioning isnt really much of a difference icl but ive heard some people say circe takes weird positioning but its not like its hard to get used to

[edgy nacelle]

yeah, plus you can still clear fairly easily without ideal positioning
leash damage can pop off, but the main part of a run where you have to rely on it is the start. after that good positioning is better, but bad positioning can still work out fine tbh

personally I also really like that Charon and Eos (for instance) let you actually use hexes at high fear
a clutch wolf howl can be a life saver fr

[vernal quiver]

i run night on mel and circe exclusively for hexes

since like youre not using wayward son or sorceress at 62f on those anyway

[edgy nacelle]

makes sense 👀 I didn't, but it might have done more overall, iirc I primed out on Circe anyway so it's not like Huntress was doing much

I like sorceress on nyx tho, faster nightspawn buff proc

charon is just really fun for hexes tho, iirc I had a wolf howl after every single Ωspecial combo lol so it was just.... absurdly safe, tons of iframes

[vernal quiver]

i need to start using wolf howl more for 62s

i mostly stick to phase shift, twilight curse, or night bloom

[edgy nacelle]

it's sooooo nice
for surface I could see twilight curse popping off more? but idk, no experience above 40 yet

phase shift I have a grudge against since I died during it last time I took it at 62 but the other two you mentioned I take a lot, yeah

[vernal quiver]

twilight curse is a life saver for olympus, UW not so much tbh since the rooms are a lot more manageable past erebus

[edgy nacelle]

yeah, it's always nice for minibosses and I never say no to it in general
but I feel like wolf howl is the MVP for UW, and curse for surface just because room clear gets harder

plus it has more use vs typhon, oneshotting the eggs saves time 🤷 even if it's easy enough to do without

whereas vs chronos... sheep-ing the tempi is prob still nice, but I'd take the iframes

[vernal quiver]

night bloom the hourglasses so you get healing through scars ong

(chronos will 1tap you regardless)

[edgy nacelle]

does it heal through scars?

last time I took a hex to chronos p3 I did night bloom one of them and then died like 2 seconds later so idr

[turbid crescent]

Cleared 32f

ggs

[vernal quiver]

yeah

[edgy nacelle]

hell yeah gg

[edgy nacelle]

oh damn that's really good to know
not that it'll fully save me but like. now I'll stop thinking it's a useless summon if I get stuck with it... does nurture of hera or the speed buff affect it at all lol?

[turbid crescent]

gonna practice rivals bosses later and then slowly get to 50f ig

[median anvil]

yes. very slowly

[median anvil]

whatever summon you have will definitely be better than the hourglasses

[edgy nacelle]

I just wish the "servants fight for the entire location" upgrade made them last between phase changes smh
the miniboss would have taken him out in p3 last run I had but it vanished smh

so ig the move is prob get the double godsent upgrade, miniboss for p2, and then wait until he summons the hands for p3 or something to not get stuck with an hourglass

[median anvil]

sun worshipper does last interestingly

[edgy nacelle]

huh. weird interaction

[fierce citrus]

unseen ire feels so bad now because if i get hit i die 😭

(obviously its still good)

[edgy nacelle]

LMAO

also I'm having such a weird fields...? I had two light of ixion going in, so my fields so far has been:
chaos gate (chrolex)
midboss (onion => chrolex)
chaos gate again (chrolex)
uhhh okay

[flint widget]

fire room order

[edgy nacelle]

then 2 reward room, then echo lol.... okay fields 🔥

and a 2
FUN fields lmao

[broken spoke]

Super rich

[fierce citrus]

62 lowkey feeling impossible

15 runs haven't gotten to eris lol

[edgy nacelle]

is it your first time doing judgement high fear?

[fierce citrus]

yea

[edgy nacelle]

cause I feel like that jump is VERY big, difficulty wise

[fierce citrus]

its so annoying lol

[edgy nacelle]

might be nice to do some medium fear judgement runs and get used to the flow of how the early game feels
plus keep in mind the start of the run will be the hardest and most different

[flint widget]

then run return

[fierce citrus]

nah

[fierce citrus]

no

[fierce citrus]

having no heal is whats difficult

maybe i just run nergal (this is a joke)

[broken spoke]

Or just forget about 62 and run every vow except void and return

[fierce citrus]

thats just 60 fear

[median anvil]

yes

do that first

[fierce citrus]

no i can do this trust

idk why im being so stubborn about this

[broken spoke]

Idk but at least that is funny for us

[fierce citrus]

im soon gonna start working again (my foots finally healing) so im gonna be playing alot less

[edgy nacelle]

T_T ohhh I threw that run in such a dumb way
excellent up to chronos at least. sigh

[meager bramble]

Any tips for Rivals Chronos P3? I fumbled through it once, but there's just so much going on so fast

[fierce citrus]

at the start sprint the whole time and when he spawns his clone just run until he despawns

other then that idk i dont play uw lol

[flint widget]

pay him 10% of the bill

[edgy nacelle]

sprint/movement speed helps a lot
a lot of the fight is like. a dance of waiting for openings to hit him, you can't rly greed during a lot of attacks or just spam dash on cooldown. the attack at the beginning (the "cutscene" attack since you can't do much but watch lol) lasts for 12 hits, and I tend to sprint in a big counterclockwise circle around the arena

his other attacks you just kinda have to learn how to respond to, and when it's possible to get hits in
deep dissent makes it MUCH easier, it removes the chronos clone who attacks you from most of the fight so there's less to dodge

and certain patterns (i.e. time slow + certain attacks) just uh. really suck

[meager bramble]

Clone?????? I haven't even NOTICED 😆

[fierce citrus]

you haven't gotten up to that part yet then good luck

[flint widget]

oh rip

[meager bramble]

I won this once, in blind panic

[fierce citrus]

typhon rival is 10 times easier

[meager bramble]

I evidently just didn't notice 😆

[edgy nacelle]

it's hard to tell tbh, sometimes a copy of him shows up and does some of his attacks, then vanishes

but in general just try to like.... recognize the various things he can do, and figure out the rhythm of them
i.e. he does his dash + swing combo 2+ times, and I tend to time my dashes to i-frame in case he catches me, but sprint away otherwise, then jump in and punish him when it's done
the triple scythe throw ideally you can get behind him, or i-frame at the right distance in front of him
the big 4 line lunge you can kinda dash perpendicular too
and then the big scythe swing is.... annoying tbh, I just kinda make stuff up when he does that ngl

• he can summon various hazards (time slow, time bubbles, asterisk explosion zone, expanding circle, summons)

[cosmic solstice]

does coat dash strike work with static shock

[digital juniper]

it does

[flint widget]

do global damage boosts like orig and furies boost scorch dps

that's nice to know

no wonder scorch feels so bad on 65f

[fiery kraken]

I'm trying chaos above and random rolled Eos into ephyra, seeing zeus hera and hestia. which one should I try to put on which?

I think this is my chance (I'm currently like 0 for 20)

[viral yew]

Zeus special hera attack, hestia gain>cast>sprint

[fiery kraken]

Can you unpack your reasoning?

And if you put zeus special, are you proactively using it or just letting the daybreaker blast it out?

is the plan to pop daybreaker then spam special until it dies?

[viral yew]

Zeus special because low base damage on the special and easy to proc, plus you can apply blitz when you special at both you and the daybreaker (it copies your special) hera attack for hitch and %damage which goes well with its pulse, and hestia gain for magic, if you can't get it then take cast or sprint

[fiery kraken]

My typical move set is just to hold down attack and dash around

[viral yew]

Yeah pretty much, you can have normal and omega specials going at the same time to stack tons of blitz

Arc flash is super good too

[fiery kraken]

what's arc flash?

oh I don't think I've gotten that before

[viral yew]

Secondary zeus boon, omega damage instantly activates blitz and makes it deal more damage

[fiery kraken]

cool, we'll give it a try

[lyric summit]

Question about Nergal. What’s the most optimal way to fight after getting Psychic Whirlwind?
Do you just OAttack, then jump onto enemies and attack with OSpecial afterwards or keep slamming the Attack 🤔

[opal pecan]

I am not an axepert but I thought the entire point of Psychic Whirlwind was to let you double your damage output by stacking omega attack + normal attacks

[flint widget]

from what ive seen high fear players whirlwind then dash attack then repeat

[lyric summit]

Ahh dash attack gotcha

Cuz everytime I try to attack after OAttack it’s so damn slow 😭

But yeah. Trying to practice a 62F Nergal and wanna optimise as much as possible

[flint widget]

but for me personally i just spam attack and special like a madman after getting the whirlwind out

used that strat to get the fastest nergal uw 62f

[lyric summit]

Ooo gj

I lost a run to Chronos P3 yesterday cuz of Born Gain LMAO

[flint widget]

rawdogged it with dem attack and aphro cast that's it for my orig

[opal pecan]

Would you have lost it with Flood Gain? 👀

[lyric summit]

God that would’ve been so nice 😭

Trying to beat the Timer with no magic Nergal is absolute pain

[flint widget]

yo vang next time u play nergal 62f if u ever see heaven splitter pls take it

first ever heaven splitter 62f would go crazy ngl

[lyric summit]

Sure. I’ll pick it over Psychic 🤡 🤡

Does it stack with Exc Talent?

[flint widget]

nah it increases the duration

also after ur done with nergal 62f

do supay next

[hallow cobalt]

WAIT

I just realized psychoc link frog would be OP for charaxe

[opal pecan]

Are you theorycrafting a mod

[hallow cobalt]

dammit nvm i mixed up aspects with pet skills

[indigo coyote]

not sure if this has been asked before but can you dash (i-frame) Chronos' instant kill attack? (and also can dodge dodge it?)

[vivid stump]

I know you can use wolf howl to ignore it bc i’ve done it before. You can probably use dodge boons but idk never tried

[opal pecan]

Yes and yes

[indigo coyote]

guess i have a goal now

[dreamy veldt]

How many instakills does Chronos have

Cause originally I thought it was only the stand in the circle thing

But one time I accidentally stepped in the attack where it's like multiple circles and died

Like how it's small circle of damage, big circle safe, bigger circle of damage

[edgy nacelle]

just two!

[flint widget]

regular chronos 1

oh right i thought like opening instakill

[edgy nacelle]

?? regular chronos 2, surely, if you aren't speedrunning and he never does the second

[flint widget]

i thought ult mean opening instakill

[edgy nacelle]

https://preview.redd.it/confusing-chronos-insta-kill-v0-s0n1w09v6iuf1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=c392c8bf24fb6824f1659174ea823617887a1e00

[flint widget]

yeah ik

but its like 11:30 pm for me

[edgy nacelle]

sending for Ulteya not you lol, ik you know the fight

but easier to just be like "these" than describe the second one

[austere trail]

no way you got the cat decoration

[flint widget]

build chat. would you rather get a billion dollars in one day or one dollar in a billion years

[edgy nacelle]

felt fated

[silent crow]

wait wtf how do u get thise

[vernal quiver]

One dollar in a billion years, passive income and i won't be greedy 😌

[dreamy veldt]

Ok yeah ty

I feel like the hitbox for the second one is active for like a year

Cause when I accidentally ran into it I'm pretty sure it was like visibly gone

But now I just stay extra cautious

[austere trail]

there's a discord version of the end of year stuff like spotify wrapped

I had data collection turned off so I didn't get anything (except the avatar decoration)

which apparently may be temporary? idk

[spark crown]

I got one tho I didn't actually have a discord wrapped due to my privacy settings

[rain hazel]

I feel like im missing something with upgraded Cerb

I can get through most bosses without being hit but he takes like 3 DD's

It doesnt seem like theres anywhere to move to avoid damage, especially in the first half

[opal pecan]

What I have been told is: if you have to eat a bit of lava damage to avoid Cerb's actual attacks, just do it, because sprinting across lava for like one second is gonna do way less damage than eating a full whack to the face.

But you do have to really dash a lot.

Also, do you know about his parry animation?

[rain hazel]

where he like stands there with his arms up? Didnt know it was a parry but usually avoid cuz hes about to shoot fire

[opal pecan]

Yes! Basically, he won't shoot fire at all if you don't attack him while he's in that pose

Me, I am an impatient little screwball, so I uh.... don't manage to do the safe smart thing

But hypothetically you could do the safe smart thing lmao

[dreamy veldt]

https://imgur.com/a/IbSTfx0

Yeah I'm goated

If there's one thing I love it's being shown stats of things I do

[opal pecan]

Sage Shade MVP tbh

[livid reef]

starting to get into speedrunning... does rolling Asphodel basically spell game over? seems nuts that the timer is on for Asphodel

[silent crow]

first of all join the speedcord https://discord.gg/N5FBKwGe

second you can "skip" asphodel by just not going in the circle the thing will end automatically (u still have to acviate the orb just stay out of the circle)

wait ur already in the speedcord why are you asking this here??

[livid reef]

lol i literally just joined it as you sent the link

[livid reef]

i do not understand this at all, sorry

reading... this is whack. what the hell

[silent crow]

you know how you have to activate the orb to summon the golden circle thing

[livid reef]

yeah found this thread https://old.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1mfpy4f/bug_that_lets_you_skip_the_asphodel_encounter_in/

never would've occurred to me to try this

ty, still not sure why it is like this, lol

[silent crow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/716773442958917753/1446651107538505850/image.png?ex=6934c255&is=693370d5&hm=bfa0bf8b236c45a65d1779d23711452036672d27d381d4ab4fee5827c0cc45f7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1523&height=180

[silent crow]

its uh. bad. lol

[austere trail]

it's not a bug at all, you just lose the reward

[silent crow]

omg i havent used old reddit in so long its so pretty

[austere trail]

I'm forever on old reddit

[silent crow]

dude they have everything stylized on this wtf

this subreddit looks like actual news https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/716773442958917753/1446651949381451899/image.png?ex=6934c31e&is=6933719e&hm=344e0b4dd0e90d7bf9df83c9d45e667f10990b75215649670c5b40c71791cbf3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1369&height=920

why did they ever change this man

[livid reef]

i have literally every device set to default to old. new is trash. if they remove old, i'm just never clicking a reddit link ever again

[fierce citrus]

I thought my 9k was a lot 😂

[edgy nacelle]

I have ~51k messages this year
but 31k of them are all just dms to a specific long distance friend lmao………

also my most used non-custom emoji is non-binary shrug
indecisive vibes I guess. noncommittal energy

[silent crow]

🐴

imagine using humanoid emotes ever

[edgy nacelle]

we don’t know whether the horse head is humanoid, he could be a reverse centaur from the neck down 😌

[dreamy veldt]

My most used emoji was

Second 💀 and third 😭

[silent crow]

the moment i saw my discord wrapped i immediately looked for the option for them to stop looking at my data

[dreamy veldt]

Where's your whimsy

Uncle Apple and Grandma google know everything about us anyway who cares if they know what emojis you use

[silent crow]

good thing i dont use apple products

[dreamy veldt]

And you don't use Google?

[silent crow]

nop

[dreamy veldt]

Well there you go

Then you have space to let a little of your data get tracked, as a treat

[bronze flax]

Good thing I already changed privacy settings before the Discord Wrapped, seeing there was no Rewind because of my privacy was supreme victory lol

[edgy nacelle]

tbh I don't use spotify so I'm just excited to actually have some sort of wrapped experience for once lol
might mess with privacy settings now, but as a one time thing? sure

[dreamy veldt]

Am I just weird

[edgy nacelle]

didn't rly tell me anything I don't already know tho, I'm only on 3 non-dead servers and one is just "dms with a friend but we can use channels and custom emoji"

[edgy nacelle]

nah a lot of ppl don't care!

[silent crow]

My friends track my data

[dreamy veldt]

I understand more being weary of things like google that can track your locations and searches but what are we hiding from discord?

[silent crow]

they sell it personally through a network of trucks

[silent crow]

i say things here

[dreamy veldt]

I also say things

I mean obviously you do you but what information are you afraid of them getting

[silent crow]

the words isay

[dreamy veldt]

And why is that an issue

[silent crow]

i like big discord not knowing the words i say

[dreamy veldt]

Souka

[edgy nacelle]

🇯🇵 ?

seeing that written in english threw me for a loop ngl
if that's what you meant

[dreamy veldt]

Oh lol, I'm American but one of my old roommates would randomly say things in Japanese and that one stuck with me

[edgy nacelle]

I didn't assume you were japanese, I was just like. wait is that what you meant
clearly yes

[dreamy veldt]

Oh lmao

[edgy nacelle]

could be Sokka but spelled wrong
but yes, souka.... is that so indeed

I also blabbed to my roommate in japanese a lot lol, since we met through classes (and it meant nobody else in the room could tell what I said 😌)

[dreamy veldt]

Dang I've been misspelling it for years then oops

[edgy nacelle]

oh no no you're spelling it right!

[fierce citrus]

Mine was one I can only use if I have nitro

[edgy nacelle]

sorry, to clarify, I was like "is that souka like japanese? or sokka from ATLA but spelled wrong...? how can I be sure-"

[dreamy veldt]

Oh yay

[fierce citrus]

I spammed it for like a weak

[dreamy veldt]

Ohhhhhh lol

[edgy nacelle]

technically you could spell it other ways ig, the long o in japanese gets transliterated a few ways...? souka, sōka, sohka... but I think souka is the most proper

also for some proper nouns and Japanese words which have been in english for a long time they don't even bother making the o long at all
like. tokyo should be toukyou probably, but nobody writes it like that in english

[dreamy veldt]

That's right I'm Sokka
It's pronounced with an okka
Young ladies, I rocked ya

[edgy nacelle]

bars

[dreamy veldt]

That's one too many syllables bub

[edgy nacelle]

I should rewatch ATLA again next year.... I try not to too often so it doesn't get stale, but. it's nice to return to

[dreamy veldt]

https://imgur.com/a/qpxvZR6

I love atla is like one of my five personality traits

MCU, Friends, ATLA, uhhh ok 3

I can find a quote from any of those three for any situation

[gloomy patio]

What's the strat for Eris Lightbringer when you use the anubis staff? Or is the answer "don't".

[edgy nacelle]

for popping the bombs, or in general?
anubis is pretty chill for that fight tbh, good AoE, good range

she leaves the circle sometimes which is annoying, but you can spam Ωspecial at her even if she leaves your attack field

and just reposition your attack as needed ofc

[gloomy patio]

She leaves the circle way too much and omega atk takes a bit too long to cast so I keep getting hit

[dreamy veldt]

Wait you're supposed to attack the bombs?

[opal pecan]

Omega special, not attack, preferably, though you'll need to build into it

[edgy nacelle]

yeah may as well! pop them with ranged attacks so you don't have to deal with them
or damaging casts, you can lay one down right when she starts aiming at you and then move away

[dreamy veldt]

Wow that fight got a whole lot easier

[edgy nacelle]

yesss a LOT easier
some weapons have a harder time popping them safely, but you can usually find a way

[dreamy veldt]

I just kept trying to run by them and getting hit anyway

[fierce citrus]

my dumbass took static shock thinking im using medea im using moros

[dreamy veldt]

Is static shock ever bad (don't answer that)

[opal pecan]

I assume the concern is about the prime

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah ik

[edgy nacelle]

still good if you can solve magick later in the run
moros hits p rapidly, and should even double dip on static shock when attacks explode

[fierce citrus]

i was taking two zeuses took the first one then tried getting hestia for cardio gain

(she didnt give me it)

well i get extra magik from a side room

i died to poly

ok damni took 4 damage in the whole ephyra

best start so far

dw i died to poly

ohh i got dd

strength is inactive thats like 20 percent damage gonew

ok got to last phase eris death defiance is not looking very tempting to turn on i cant lie

[empty fable]

any tips for great chaos below?

[opal pecan]

If you have the seed reroll incantation unlocked, that'll make it easier to reset for something doable

Have at least a basic knowledge of every aspect/etc., and keep in mind that if you get hit with White Antler, you could still survive if you have (or gun for) heavy armor, DDs, automatic heals, etc.

[vivid stump]

It’s mostly down to game sense and not getting completely screwed over by random keepsakes

[whole charm]

Whats the best Medea boon in yall's opinion? The NPC, not the weapon loll

[vernal quiver]

The half enemy armor or the 1-999 damage on spawn

[manic shuttle]

50% armor, random damage, max mana per room, reduced enemy projectile speed

[edgy nacelle]

50% armor is absolutely the best, I almost always take it if it's offered
traces of spirit (max magick) is my second favorite but it's niche
enemies => health/money are both decent

[hollow briar]

Halved armor, yeah. Max Magick is good but even on Magick-heavy Aspects I feel like it can have diminishing returns in a lot of cases

[edgy nacelle]

projectile speed is fine, I don't take it often but I might more for high fear surface? not personally a fan of suffering on sight, feels too inconsistent + not great with wards

and then harm for the afflicted is uh. bad.
it's deceptively hard to get full uptime on, and even when you do it's not great damage, and is single target damage but with a universal cooldown

what else does she even have— OH the DD one. yeah that is imo her actual worse offering

[opal pecan]

Don't Suffering on Sight negate wards 1? Not ultra value but.....

[edgy nacelle]

it does negate wards 1! which.... can be nice? but you can also just take static shock, gales, scorch, hitch, rousing reception etc
and all of those (other than rousing) are also good at dealing with wards 2, which makes suffering on sight kinda miserable imo

I may underrate it to be fair, I just take it expecting it to be more fun and then it's. okay 🤷 not that exciting 😔

[opal pecan]

Persephone-ass probability distribution tbh

[edgy nacelle]

I think success rate does affect it lol...? idr for sure tho

[opal pecan]

(they said, entirely unfairly and entirely ignoring the fact that every random thing in the game is also like this)

I think someone said so yeah

.....unless it was you saying it uncertainly the last time too 🤔

[livid zephyr]

hey guys how do i dodge prometheus’s big flaming arrow attack lol

i can never seem to get away in time, do i just have to run to the other side of the arena?

[edgy nacelle]

which one exactly...? the one that he charges up for a while that leaves a big bar of flame on the ground?

or the memory game or something

[livid zephyr]

yeah the one that follows you when you move and has like chevrons going down it

[edgy nacelle]

if it's the big directional attack he charges up, just wait until he is about to use it (or actually uses it) then i-frame through or get behind him
I tend to try to make him aim away from the arena, then dash through him right has he uses it, to avoid clogging up the arena with flames I then have to avoid

[livid zephyr]

ooh making it go out of the arena is a good idea. i’ve been trying to wait until he uses it and then dash behind him but i never seem to get the timing right

[opal pecan]

I have crap timing so when I see the indicator I just sort of zoom in circles around him

He can't catch me if I never stop moving bwahahahahaha

[livid zephyr]

he clips me like every time with it :(

[edgy nacelle]

that also works! and zoom close to him, the farther away you are the easier he can keep up with you as he rotates

[opal pecan]

Physics slash geometry lesson in this here game

[livid zephyr]

oh btw does taking armor damage affect perfect image?

[opal pecan]

Yes

[livid zephyr]

darn

[flint widget]

just woke up, time for the sub 8 50f surface grind

sub 9 took like 15 days of on and off grinding so im expecting a months worth of on and off grinding

[tawny imp]

lv 20 aphro special

Persephone Skull F40 beaten ez

[whole charm]

nyx with poseidon atk is so goated. Exhaust Riser is also broken, cant believe ive never taken it before

[sand crow]

Exhaust Riser is ridiculous LOL it's always an instant take whenever I see it

Question: is Hostile Environment worth building for on Charon?

It looks busted

[spark crown]

what we up to in here

[sand crow]

Like what fear? This is low fear lol

Like 9

[spark crown]

thats ares dem duo right

[sand crow]

Ye

[spark crown]

i dont think so

you better off with a zeus cast deploy iirc

[sand crow]

That's kinda the vibes I'm getting, cuz when it erupts with the special it forces it back to your position right?

[sand crow]

OMG I forgot about that lmao that's like basically required for charon

[edgy nacelle]

if you have ares and demeter in the pool then yeah 100%
I believe the damage bonus to Ωcast and the other effect are not tied to each other

[spark crown]

hmm good to know

[sand crow]

OOOOH good to know

[edgy nacelle]

so you don't want to actually channel your omega cast on charon, ever
but that boon is still very very good
even better with geyser spout increasing base power

[spark crown]

so if you tap it stays where it is?

[sand crow]

I might do it then, I have Ares and Dem in ephyra

[edgy nacelle]

yup! "and starts to follow you as you channel it" so if you don't channel it stays put

not the exact wording, but still, that's how it works

[sand crow]

That's pretty close to how it's worded tbh lol

[edgy nacelle]

local climate from demeter is also very good, just more free damage%
doubled if you're inside the cast but even if you aren't it's nice

[sand crow]

K I'm going to Prayge for meat grinder

[edgy nacelle]

do you have a cast yet? sword ring charon kinda slaps ngl

[sand crow]

Wait really??

No I don't have a cast yet

[edgy nacelle]

it's not the ideal cast for charon, but it has more synergy with charon than like.... any other weapon, imo
and also opens the duo

you don't get origination from it, but arctic gale from demeter + a special with a status curse should do the trick

what other gods are in ephyra? 👀

[sand crow]

What is the ideal Charon cast anyway?

Uhhh Zeus, Apollo, Dem and Ares

And Hermes

[edgy nacelle]

apollo or poseidon
big damage AND a status curse, and both have good tier 2 boons for casts

[sand crow]

But I think imma have to skip Hermes

I have only 3 rooms left

[edgy nacelle]

ngl I might skip zeus, zeus has almost nothing for charon

[sand crow]

I have Apollo special and Apollo sprint lol

Apollo special is still ridiculously good right?

[edgy nacelle]

oooooh
then yeah, ares cast is fine, + arctic gale for orig, and you can get the blade duo!

[sand crow]

Or did they patch that

[edgy nacelle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1436605367630172221/Screenshot_2025-11-07_at_10.35.48_PM.png?ex=69352082&is=6933cf02&hm=bf4881a5d3d93a7e7ba035c2e8265d71516734fc19671c7ed2df8eec03b53fea&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2284&height=1486
here's my most recent sword ring charon run, also. goes hard af

and yes, apollo special is still super good on charon

[sand crow]

Siiiiiick

[edgy nacelle]

have fun 👀 that's a rly fun god pool imo

[sand crow]

Oh DAMN

Sick so yeah Imma do Ares Dem and force Poseidon in the boaty place and hope for the best lol

[edgy nacelle]

(you will need specifically ice strike from demeter to open the duo, btw, or gain but I'd grab apollo gain if possible)

oooh or flood gain, flood gain is solid

[sand crow]

Really??? I thought it kinda sucked lol

I've probably been misusing it tho

[edgy nacelle]

it's.... weird? and it does have forced downtime, which can be bad

[sand crow]

Lol got an epic sword ring

[whole charm]

for some reason i have an easier time with this than with moros. Am i weird

[edgy nacelle]

but the key thing with flood gain is: it's impossible to permanently run out of magick. period.
if flood gain is off cooldown and you try to use magick, you will effectively have infinite magick for the full duration even if you started at zero

so it's basically x seconds of infinite magick (increases with poms and rarity), then 8 seconds of no regen where you can only use the magick you actually have (decreases with heph duo boon)

[sand crow]

.... Wait I didn't know that

[edgy nacelle]

the in-game explanation for flood gain is kinda awful lmaooo, maybe the single most confusing boon in the game

it can still be awkward with the forced downtime! but it's WAY better than it sounds
and it can keep up with any amount of magick usage while it's active, no other boon can handle quite as much rapid magick consumption

so it's my favorite for possessed array skull builds, where even born gain kinda struggles to keep up without priming out

[sand crow]

I mean I knew basically how it works, but that's definitely an upside I never knew about

[edgy nacelle]

it was a big game changer for me lol
also it has weird interactions?

like, if you have 5 magick currently and try to use an omega move that costs 40
you'll use it for free, and will regen to 45 magick total

[sand crow]

Huh??? Whack

[edgy nacelle]

lucid gain is so good on charon that it's hard to rly want to run anything else lol
but imo flood gain is up there with born gain as a good alternative!
...technically ionic and tranquil work too, I just dislike them

[sand crow]

Oooooh just got cutting edge lol

But I do kinda need a gain tho, should I reroll? I don't have it as an option 🤧

[edgy nacelle]

oh also have you ever tried heph cast on charon lol
very funny build, you get 3 clangs even if the circle disappears early so you can have multiple overlapping heph casts

[sand crow]

WAIT LMAOOO

[edgy nacelle]

hmmm if you're running rerolls then yeah, I'd prioritize lucid gain tbhhh

[sand crow]

Tbh I've massively underplayed Charon

[edgy nacelle]

this works with winner's circle from hermes too btw! only damage over time cast which doesn't get its damage reduced when your cast ends early

[sand crow]

I'm playing fresh file rn bc I wanted to for the ✨ story experience ✨

[edgy nacelle]

I haven't played charon a ton, but it got me my first ever 62 fear clear and my current fastest run, so I have a soft spot for it 😅
also I just don't like 2 of the other axes uh. at all. so charon gets points for not playing like an axe

I also recommend messing with the Super Nova glitch (if it even is a glitch, and hasn't been patched out) if Apollo offers it later lol, it's very funny if you haven't experienced it

[sand crow]

Wait which ones?? Than axe is low-key like top 3 for me lol

I can't cope with Nergaoul

[edgy nacelle]

the other two lol
I like Than axe! I do not like Nergal or Mel axe, I can clear with them they're just so slow feeling

I like range, magick, or speed generally
so slow heavy hits are.... not my thing

[sand crow]

AGREED

I don't hate Mel axe so much as I like Than more

[edgy nacelle]

but my top 5 aspects (right now, it changes) are uh...
morrigan, circe, moros, eos, charon? maybe?
idk, a few others could also be listed, I love nyx and anubis a lot too, and skulls are REALLY growing on me lately

[sand crow]

Nergaoul I simply cannot handle, it's way too clunky even with epic attack speed up and the speed up hammer

[edgy nacelle]

for me the only way it's tolerable is with psychic whirlwind
but rerolling for one specific hammer is annoying

[sand crow]

Oh my gosh do you know about the Medea wall exploit

[edgy nacelle]

I.... may or may not? elaborate

[sand crow]

Where you just spam attack and special into a wall and there's essentially no cooldown

So you're just constantly exploding

[edgy nacelle]

ooooh I haven't tried that
altho I'm kind of new to liking medea at all ngl, I didn't click with it until recently when I made myself do a lot of "every aspect" challenges

[sand crow]

I played Medea on my first surface run post-Typhon patch and my friend who had some experience with the aspect gave me that bit of advice and I no-hit Typhon on my first try

[whole charm]

what are some other good attack boons for zeus special Moros instead of Hera? Wanna experiment a bit

[sand crow]

That has not happened since loo

[sand crow]

Ooooooh good question

I'm always a fan of Apollo attack because the explosions get yuge

[edgy nacelle]

I quite like apollo, big AoE + big damage%
you can also do funny things with poseidon—moros gets innate 60% damage bonus on explosions so you'll still do good base damage, and I believe you get a splash from the initial hit and from the explosion if an enemy is hit by both

[sand crow]

I feel like Hestia can work even though it's flat damage, and every overlapping explosion does separate scorch damage

[whole charm]

Alright cool ill try out my boy Apollo, poseidon sounds fun too

[edgy nacelle]

hestia can do! same reason
and moros is less picky because of the damage% it gets
you can also do zeus attack + a different special

[sand crow]

Also scorch on moros is VERY good because the attack pierces

I often like running hera on special and Apollo on attack

Also on our earlier convo, I rerolled twice and didn't get the gain on either reroll, but I got the duo back so I guess I'm taking that LOLL

[edgy nacelle]

aw rip
hecuba at least, so you don't run out of magick for the boss?
or shop boon I guess

[sand crow]

Oh yeah I got hecuba

Crapppp I just got Hestia in my pool I didn't want that

[edgy nacelle]

mystery boon'd?

[sand crow]

Yeahh

I didn't read the delivery time

[edgy nacelle]

at least stuff like flash fry and controlled burn are decent
but yeahhhh. hestia, zeus, and imo aphrodite are pretty meh rolls for charon. ah well

[sand crow]

Y E S S S got geyser spout with a reroll tho

[spark crown]

[sand crow]

There was one build I did where I primed out with pre-nerf Born Gain where it was only priming like 3 Magick per proc

[spark crown]

ive decided that h1 zeus special is better than h2 zeus special

[hollow briar]

Honestly forgot how much I disliked it when I did it for the old 50F and coming back to it for 62 is… eh…

It’s strong, but I’m not good with it at all lol

[spark crown]

GUP

gup geep gip

[sand crow]

I Much Prefer Zeus Special As Well

[hollow briar]

The DLC is kinda peak, partially because of like, half of the skins being digitized

[spark crown]

im enjoying it

better than sots on release

[sand crow]

Wait hydraulic on Charon would go ridiculously hard

[hollow briar]

Which isn’t saying much, but it’s nice that it’s good off-rip lmao

[spark crown]

it goes medium hard

[sand crow]

If you get it on Apollo Omega special where the hits overlap its kinda schnasty, although admittedly the special isn't really the focus

[edgy nacelle]

tbh the Ωspecial often does more damage than cast! so it does go rather hard

just less hard than on weapons which aren't cast heavy at all

[sand crow]

Okay so question for you

When you don't run rerolls, how do you spend your grasp??

[edgy nacelle]

depends on the aspect! I almost never run rerolls post ending tbh

[sand crow]

Really??? I haven't gotten the ending quite yet lol

[edgy nacelle]

some keepsakes post ending make running no rerolls a lot more worth it
and I like that playstyle a lot

[sand crow]

Huh!!! Fascinating

[oblique hazel]

i drop boatman + the reroll cards and replace them with lovers, artificer, messenger and excellence personally

[hollow briar]

Yeh, I haven’t used anything other than JPom to start for my 62F runs lol

[edgy nacelle]

fear level also changes things
i.e. for high fear underworld I almost always run boatman and artificer

also huh, the crossroads website looks a little different and there are runs of mine that I didn't submit on it...? did someone else submit those? weird

[hollow briar]

Don’t really intend to either. There’s nothing I feel I desperately need a specific God for that I either can’t halfway luck into or can just sub in

[edgy nacelle]

but, in any case
@sand crow you can see the arcana I used for 5 specific aspects here https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/?player=Malkin+Grey
by clicking the "arcana" link on the right
with the caveat that this is for high fear underworld

[hollow briar]

Yeah, there’s some runs that just get “automatically”uploaded if there’s enough info on them. I had an old Nergal 53F that made it despite just having a random vid on it lol

[edgy nacelle]

oh weird, I wonder how that happened. they weren't on the site last time I checked, and they're from ages ago

[sand crow]

Is Phalanx Shot worth using on Charon?

Wait I just got divine dash NVM lol

[edgy nacelle]

oh yeah divine dash better imo
mental block goes very hard, tho

[sand crow]

AYYYY WINNERS CIRCLE

Maybe not good for charon tho lol

[edgy nacelle]

yeah kinda useless
or actively bad at times lmao

[sand crow]

FINALLY GOT APOLLO GAIN

In the shop before Prometheus lmaooo

[edgy nacelle]

honestly impressive you survived that long with no regen, thank the fates for hecuba

[sand crow]

Oh also for medea

Medea clutched me out with the +5 Max Magick per encounter

Also cool interaction with meat grinder+ hostile environment charon

The meat grinder follows you around and the omega cast doesnt

[edgy nacelle]

oooooh that's neat 👀 idk if I've experienced that before

[sand crow]

Also I'm a HUGE fan of moon water on Charon WOW

Getting 2500+ damage casts is ridiculous

[spark crown]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/?player=Metal (need to do more runs)

[edgy nacelle]

okok dare I say my morrigan run is not going Badly 👀

[sand crow]

I meant to say this earlier but h2crossroads is SO much better than it used to be

[edgy nacelle]

but I usually fumble rivals gramps, so. sugh

[sand crow]

Eyes emoji???

[edgy nacelle]

oh just. are you asking what I mean by 👀 ?
or reflecting my 👀 energy back at me

I guess it's less 👀 and more 🤞 😨 lol
just been resetting morrigan 62 a lot of times

no attack boon yet, but also deathless past sirens, so.... could go well

[sand crow]

Oh just more reflection I'm intrigued lolll

[sand crow]

Ooooooh

[edgy nacelle]

it's my last weapon type for one of each weapon 62 fear! so. excited but worried

I've had a few good attempts where I just massively fumble the final boss sigh

[sand crow]

How in the world do you do well without an attack boon on Morrison lol

[edgy nacelle]

blood triad I guess

[sand crow]

I don't think I've actually beaten rivals Chronos before

[edgy nacelle]

this is the build rn https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426118288198602775/1446781482906419241/Screenshot_2025-12-06_at_12.32.41_AM.png?ex=69353bc1&is=6933ea41&hm=cc90553c532ad13d919e44afaaa80129538ed4ca0501a52ad5c3fd0b086f2170&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1076&height=700

[sand crow]

I started to try a little bit pre 1.0 but I ran out of time

[edgy nacelle]

it's a hard fight

[sand crow]

STATIC SHOCK 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[sand crow]

No kidding and on 62 fear no less

What vows are you running??

[edgy nacelle]

everything but void

[spark crown]

gonna upload the other 32f wins

[spark crown]

coward

[spiral wadi]

62f is so last year, 65f is where it's at

[sand crow]

Well that went well! Thanks for the advice on Charon I had no idea what I was doing with that aspect

[flint widget]

62f didn't even exist last year lmao

[digital juniper]

67 next year?

[edgy nacelle]

welcome and gg!! :D

[turbid crescent]

Is it a stupid idea to try and build medea with ares on attack?

[spark crown]

ares attack is ok iirc

[sand crow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1446784540419821568/20251206014426-01KBSDAMZD6385JMXF10XSDZDE.jpg?ex=69353e9a&is=6933ed1a&hm=f70644f612dcdb00dbf4ad6dcfefdb8d23393a8467941d60f838e9df6c0d56fe&
BEEG damage

[turbid crescent]

Because I have zeus on special and ares is my only real option for attack

maybe poseidon, but eh

[sand crow]

Gotcha... Ares on special would be best but Ares on attack would be pretty good tbh

[spark crown]

ZEUS AND ARES IS GOD TEIR

[turbid crescent]

Zeus on special tho not attack

[spark crown]

you can roll heinous with either

[turbid crescent]

Dont have rolls

Jpom

[spark crown]

i ment find it mb

i say roll as a rng term

[turbid crescent]

Ah fair

[edgy nacelle]

sigh. one poseidon boon in final shop would have given me frosty veneer
one zeus boon would have given me air quality for double gusts and static shock
missing a DD
instead I get food, pom, anvil, apollo

tropical cyclone time I guess, idk

[spark crown]

take da anvil

[turbid crescent]

I only have one ares room tho, hope I get attak

[edgy nacelle]

I can't afford it
I only have one daedalus hammer tho

idt this is the run, but who knows, fingers crossed wish me luck

yeah nope, aaaawful p2

[turbid crescent]

2nd run is perfect goddam
aphro attack and zeus special (+jpom soooo)

[edgy nacelle]

I feel like I'm getting better at every fight other than chronos, and worse at chronos smh

[edgy nacelle]

again no attack boon leaving sirens 😭 hades pls

[flint widget]

first morrigan special spam 62f clear?

[edgy nacelle]

no special boon either lmaoooo

also sweeping ambush but the only gain I could manage is aphro 💀 idk abt this run

[edgy nacelle]

ok, I need to be up relatively early tomorrow so giving up on morrigan for the night

still insomnia hours for me, but h2 takes too much concentration lol, might go play vampire survivors until my sleep meds kick in

take care all

[fierce citrus]

malkin

i give up

[edgy nacelle]

vow of void?

I don't blame you :/

[fierce citrus]

oh bro my message didnt send

im using dd now

[edgy nacelle]

oooooh

[fierce citrus]

yea really think im going to void 💔

[edgy nacelle]

I mean look you're stronger than I am
I literally just refuse to touch void, sounds too hard and I'm not good enough

[fierce citrus]

i soon might just go to return and run strength tbh

its either dd void or strength return

ok im going return strength

@edgy nacelle help is required boatman or excellence i was using excellence for 55 but i was only on debt 1

[edgy nacelle]

surface?

[fierce citrus]

mhm

[edgy nacelle]

sorry also, in another tab and I don't get notif noises unless you dm (which you can feel free to do btw)

[fierce citrus]

nah its all goods im not in a rush

[edgy nacelle]

hmmm. I might default to excellence and see how it goes, cause no midshop in ephyra? but also I haven't done surface with debt before tbh

[fierce citrus]

i love putting on wayward son on scars 3 😂

[fierce citrus]

yea i was using excellence as well cause i always pop chrolex region 2

[edgy nacelle]

lmao me too... altho I don't for some runs at least
not doing it rn for morrigan

[fierce citrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1437620162353168394/1446805497234853990/image.png?ex=6935521e&is=6934009e&hm=a71086255aa75c59d7b969c7227415aebf37204742582b126f78d85c37bac592&

i dont like this

[fierce citrus]

you have night on?

[edgy nacelle]

stay strong and good luck

[edgy nacelle]

eternity! partly just for hex charge

[fierce citrus]

ima use strength medea though

[edgy nacelle]

strength medea at 62 scares me but should also be fun lol

[fierce citrus]

honestly eternity's not that bad i remember using it when first starting out for a while

took me abit to get used to

[edgy nacelle]

I like it in some specific situations? like charon and medea
but it's very niche...

[fierce citrus]

yea i know it will be easier on moros because im not hugging the enemies but return is gonna kill me with moros with medea it will be .5 percent less annoying

[fierce citrus]

medea?

[edgy nacelle]

medea idt it really matters...? like. if you have 3 free grasp it lets you passively charge hexes

but the situations where you'd omega on medea are like. between waves, where eternity won't matter all that much

I've also heard ppl say eternity can feel nice on moros, to make the Ωspecial less risky feeling to get online

[fierce citrus]

yea thats why i was asking medea

[fierce citrus]

really good point if im running scars 3 and no wayward eternity would 100% feel good

[edgy nacelle]

you could opt for night on medea tbh? if you take off wayward + another 1 cost, just to make hexes less of a dead roll

depends whether you value moon more than the non-wayward 1 cost you'd give up on

[fierce citrus]

nah it will do nothing though besides the hexes

but moros uses enough that the hexes are just there straight away

[edgy nacelle]

yeahhh, personally I never click night/eternity just for moon
but ik some people do

[fierce citrus]

does night work if you use 1 Ospecial then multiple Oattacks then Ospecial again

[edgy nacelle]

I do like using magick heavy aspects at high fear tho, hexes are nice. wolf howl is a life saver, and so is curse for surface ik

[fierce citrus]

how does that work?

[edgy nacelle]

on moros if you do that you'll get crit chance for one total Ωatk lol

[fierce citrus]

curse is s++ tbh

[edgy nacelle]

altho then your next Ωspecial will keep the crit chance the entire time it orbits I think?

[fierce citrus]

yea id rather wayward son and runner or messanger tbh

[fierce citrus]

wait it does

hold up i take that back lol

[edgy nacelle]

it does on Eos I'm like 99% sure, and idk why Moros would be different

[fierce citrus]

ima try it out hold up

[edgy nacelle]

ik Momus specifically is weird with it...? but I think torch Ωspecial keeps the buff the whole time

so doing 1 quick oatk at the start of a room could work, to get night online

[fierce citrus]

it does wow

[edgy nacelle]

it's funny af on Eos too, daybreaker crits in erebus are hilarious

since daybreaker also keeps it the whole time

[fierce citrus]

would be hard with no eternity if theres a swarm of small enemies

[edgy nacelle]

hmm true
would have been easier on old torches lol

[fierce citrus]

i cant i give up im not using return 😂

[fierce citrus]

faster cast speed?

[edgy nacelle]

channeling = all omega attacks

[fierce citrus]

yk what im going to beat 55 fear on surface using strength with an aspect of each weapon

[viral yew]

[edgy nacelle]

oooooh good luck
should be AMAZING practice for higher fear if you want to push it, or ever get back to void

[viral yew]

What a wonderful thing to come back to after all day grinding a different game

[fierce citrus]

voids to hard returns harder 😭

i need to get better at the game

[fierce citrus]

yea once i beat all aspects ill try 62 again im sorry luthien

[edgy nacelle]

@viral yew look at this though

[fierce citrus]

i did it in the first 2 room of ephyra i gave up

[edgy nacelle]

because of return? 😭

[fierce citrus]

yes

[viral yew]

This is perfection

[fierce citrus]

i got hit by 2 skulls cause i was chasing green orbs of death

[flint widget]

krill issue

[fierce citrus]

agreed

[edgy nacelle]

hm wait. really? cause I feel like I don't....... care that much abt chasing the orbs
like. they last a while, if they respawn they respawn, I'm not gonna drop everything to go pick them up 9/10 times

maybe ignoring them more is the answer cause. you def can. hm

[viral yew]

Fr

[fierce citrus]

i know if i use it for a while ill be used to it but i just dont want to do that

[viral yew]

It's not a ticking time bomb you don't have to chase them down the nanosecond they come out

[flint widget]

also damn ive been sleeping on glowing coal

i finally have another ranged cast i dont hate

[edgy nacelle]

not fully, but some, they're easier to pick up when the other enemies are all dead anyway, but interrupting combat to pick them up does feel awful fr
idk, at this point I kind of like the vow, it looks funny af. popcorn exploding out of enemies

[fierce citrus]

it is

[fierce citrus]

i like seeing numbers everywhere not green orbs

[viral yew]

Skill issue atp

[flint widget]

yeah its a krill issue

[fierce citrus]

agreed

hm i took grisley gain now completely rendering huntress useless unless i get possesed array

[viral yew]

It's as shrimple as that

[fierce citrus]

you dont know how much i love lovers

its so amazing

i remember in hades 1 thats the keep sake id have on through regions 2-4

[viral yew]

Real

[hollow briar]

I like it in a Stockholm syndrome kinda way

Single-handedly multiplies the length of some Oceanus rooms cuz of those small fish encounters that last like, half a year, but otherwise it’s kinda fun

[fierce citrus]

bro trials are either the easiest thing or the hardest thing

dashing into 7 stacked eris bombs does not feel nice

[flint widget]

sub 2 ephyra exit on 50f lets go

[flint widget]

please speed i need this sub 8 50f surface

my mom is kinda homeless

[spark crown]

"PLEASEEE HERMES I NEEDDD THIS SUB8 Persephone's kinda homeless "

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-mcdonald-ronald-mcdonald-laugh-lol-gif-18842655

that was so funny i forgot to laugh

[red jasper]

I accidentally created a braindead axe build with Ares and Hermes' cash for hp Legendary and got my 2nd Chronos clear, huzzah! you know-- I can't tell if the builds in this game are better or if I'm just more likely to experiment because I can't just bandaid an anemic build with dash-strike like I did in the first game 🤔

[sage needle]

I noticed there's no pinned for a big guide to all the best builds like there was for hades 1, has anyone made one ?

[silent crow]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide

[marble bison]

does anyone have a unique build

any weapon is fine js w/ the aspect of mel

[sage needle]

Thank u!!

[viral yew]

Mel skull, pos attack, ares special

[marble bison]

ok bet

[upbeat matrix]

The hades2 Bible LOL

[silver linden]

wait i swear this is the same author

[viral yew]

Yes it is lmfao

Goes by unexplainedbacn on discord and reddit

[silver linden]

r there any aspects that r particularly strong

[upbeat matrix]

Medea is strong but is hard tk use

[viral yew]

Medea, mel, circe, moros

Charon

[silver linden]

mel as in all melinoe aspects lmao ?

[viral yew]

Sorry meant mel staff

[silver linden]

heard mel flame is also good ?

[tall notch]

Moros is better

[silver linden]

can tell

you'd say the same for circe no ?

[tall notch]

I mean like strictly better. Mel flame attack doesn't even pierce enemies 😭

other than special spam builds or specific hammer shenanigans, anything you could do with Mel flame Moros can pull off better

[silver linden]

i see

wb mel vs circe though

[tall notch]

Personally I like circe more but they're both strong

[silver linden]

mmm

[tawny imp]

This is a really good list but there are some kinda wack tips

Like “use death over strength if you’re struggling with vow of time”

[silent crow]

i mean it is real news

death lets you tank the timer

[tawny imp]

Yeah but idk I feel like the damage would be better esp since timer carries on if you clear early faster

Your goal shouldn’t be to tank timer but not have it run out in the first place I feel

[flint widget]

casually beat a 59 fear supay fun run (no forfeit) while outside

damageless cerby and chronos too with strength on

[glass bone]

Mel Staff usually has a higher peak of damage, but all Circe needs is one boon to get going with room clear, and it’s much safer to play imo.

[silver linden]

oooo

[tawny imp]

Out of pain 1 grit 1 scars 1 which 2 should I take

[glass bone]

For what? 32?

[flint widget]

scars and grit

[tawny imp]

40

[glass bone]

Honestly Scars 2 could also work

[tawny imp]

Running strength btw

[flint widget]

yeah scars 2 is also fine with strength

[silent crow]

20% boost isnt going to push you towards that

[glass bone]

A bit rougher for strength but you could manage.

[silver linden]

is there an arcana layout recommended

i like the concept btw, it's creative

[spiral wadi]

simple answer is take what's most confortable for u, feel free to experiment and things should work out

origination boosts dmg a lot, strength/death offers diff playstyle, etc etc

once ur climbing higher fear it starts to get slightly more strict if ur keeping rerolls, otherwise once u fully drop them (cuz of late game stuffs) there's still some good flexibility

[sand crow]

I just got Rallying Cry + Extended Family + Arterial Spray Heroic Poseidon special on moros and it's ridiculous

[neat pier]

does worry free basically make me immortal?

[median anvil]

you can still run out of hp

[neat pier]

Ig it can't tank Chronos' one shots then

[median anvil]

mate it's only like 80 extra hp depending on rarity

chronos does 999 damage

[neat pier]

Wait nvm, had a brain fart

[night mauve]

Realistically if you wanna tank them you use death defiances or parry with artemis blades but like. Just dont. They arnt that hard to deal with

[surreal hazel]

or 1 point of armour

[vernal quiver]

or just be cool and awesome and just iframe it

[opal pecan]

I don't remember for 100% sure because I did so many Than runs over the last couple days, but I think I iframed one of the instakills in the run where I actually nudged it under the threshold

This is normal play for most people, but for me it was worth semi-remembering because I have bad reflexes and timing, so it was such a gamble lmao

[empty fable]

how do you reset the seed? i unlucked the incantation

[opal pecan]

Salute the Oath (the thing where you customize your vows)

[empty fable]

What is the oath?\

[opal pecan]

pinging you because maybe you didn't see my quick edit lmao

[empty fable]

Ahh I see let me try thanks!

[neat pier]

Does Athena keepsake work in the underworld?

[vernal quiver]

yep! just need to have no dds as per usual for it to work

[fiery kraken]

Wow I'm like 0 for 20 in greater chaos above trials. Bosses just wreck me

With 32 heat I can get Athena restoring DDs , but not in the trials.

[opal pecan]

The RNG hits hard 😩

[fiery kraken]

Amusingly I did greater chaos below on first try (lucked into Athena as a keepsake)

[neat pier]

I see, thanks

[atomic shore]

i got to 3rd phase of ||typhon|| for the 1st time, so maybe i haven't gotten it yet but ||what are you supposed to do about the overlapping AOE attacks of the 2 bosses together when you have such severely limited movements? even when i nail the i-frame to dodge one's attack I got hit immediately with the other in like the next frame. is tanking (and/or dodge build) that phase the only thing you can do?||

[valid hawk]

I managed to get a boon to level 31. I'm wondering if getting much higher is even possible

[main hatch]

If i sell kings ransom, does it remove all the levels?

[unreal rose]

Surely a mix of Persphone aspect + keepsake + Poseidon's double + Hermes probability boost + luck (with the good arcanas) ending into Echo's doubling level can take you higher. But it would require many tries

[dire shell]

.. Rivals Frenzy Scylla is rough lol

[viral yew]

What's your target priority

[dire shell]

Survive lol

I’m still very new to frenzy

(And so shouldn’t be doing it at 32 fear but lower is too easy lol)

[viral yew]

What aspect?

And vow setup

[dire shell]

Did Nergal and uhhhhhhhh Morrigan

[viral yew]

Morrigan is probably best, the way I like to play the fight is by targeting one of the tentacles in front of roxy, then focusing her until she's down, take out the other tentacle, take out scylla/jetty depending on attacks and their position, then go round and take out each tentacle, and then do the exact same for phase 2, except I will target whoever the featured artist is right after roxy

For example:

https://imgur.com/a/BNUlYKy

[limpid spear]

arctic gale + storm ring circe 🤌🏾🔥

[viral yew]

It was amazing how easy a good build makes 62

[limpid spear]

nice scylla dodge too, I hate how ticks of damage cuase her to flash while while channeling her charge. makes dodging it really hard

[viral yew]

Yeah i've slammed my head into this fight so many times I finally got the timing down

[opal pecan]

Fighting Scylla with under 100hp (even though I guess you're running DDs) seems scary!

[viral yew]

I just didn't get any centaur hearts 🤷‍♀️

[opal pecan]

#didntneedthem

[viral yew]

Yeah I only had 140 for the chronos fight 😭 https://imgur.com/a/lsKQREr

[opal pecan]

Madness

[viral yew]

I could've antlered and still won

Maybe

[opal pecan]

So I somehow killed every single witch after getting sheeped even though I spent the entire time standing in a corner. Then Hecate was fully attacking me while I was still sheeped lol.

I didn't realize Light Smite's definition of "vicinity" was that expansive....

[silent crow]

im pretty sure its just every enemy but they didnt change the wording after they made it a screen nuke

[dire shell]

What’s the number next to the boon symbol mean

[viral yew]

What?

[dire shell]

Top left number

[viral yew]

Like the one in the top left?

That's the number of boons/upgrades you have, in training grounds it counts your aspect, familiar, and grave thirst

[dire shell]

Okay so like, if you have two level 3 boons it says 6?

[austere trail]

no, it counts how many "effects" you have
each boon counts as 1 number

hex upgrades also count

[opal pecan]

Oh damn

Unrelatedly, rate my build going into Scylla https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280788714790322176/1447032987463188582/image.png?ex=693625fc&is=6934d47c&hm=de94dad779e875b593078872778ad1a5b3dd8adb164e3c9aeee3303f9784f7a5&

[bronze flax]

It needs more Hitch

[opal pecan]

This fight would gone faster if I had an attack boon, weird how that works

Rate my build exiting Echo https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280788714790322176/1447034278297735239/image.png?ex=69362730&is=6934d5b0&hm=9da1d705f78eb988565fe420b8d643026f315c97c4ec5c899e5a2c7cf758437c&

Good news: the final Fields rooms are two-reward rooms
Bad news: neither of them has boons

This is a hilarious run

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280788714790322176/1447035144945930341/image.png?ex=693627ff&is=6934d67f&hm=16a6683fb3187eec7807cca3076b70a850aaab131b5c800e464bd71a5836a69a& I think I have to take the attack here

[dire shell]

Onion run? That’s so few boons

[viral yew]

Who needs boons, especially on nyx

[viral yew]

Looks like timer 3 and frenzy 2

[opal pecan]

Just some funny RNG is all.

This is not gonna be a time improvement for me but it's such a hilarious confluence of events that I'm just playing it out

[viral yew]

The fact you don't have the timer on deeply annoys me

[opal pecan]

Why

[viral yew]

How are you supposed to see how long your run is

[opal pecan]

But I have Time 3 on so there's the reverse timer

[viral yew]

I'm not doing maths this early in the afternoon

[opal pecan]

But unlike damage numbers, you only have to do maths between fights when it's about the timer /taps nose

Anyway, to do the math for you, I was at about five and a half minutes going down to Tartarus, took about a minute to fight through Tartarus, and then just simply did not have the damage to fight Chronos well lmao

No bailout in the final shop 😆

[viral yew]

Did you antler?

[opal pecan]

[You tell me what would have happened if I antlered](#h2-victory-boasting message)

[cyan meadow]

Been trying Queens Ransom builds on Than Axe, Hitch on attack, then try to get Born Gain, Heredity Bane and Extended family + Junk Zeus stuff.

Anyone else have a different way they like to do it? Usually just play around 20 fear so mostly just for fun

[viral yew]

My favourite combo for that is zeus hestia and aphro

Go for the zeus hestia and aphro hestia duo

[cyan meadow]

Scorch Queens Ransom build? Everything shares pereminent scorch damage?

[opal pecan]

Still thinking about the Light Smite thing... maybe (at low Fear) it would be worth deliberately taking damage in early zones to clear out enemies all over a large, spread-out room that is otherwise a PITA to clear

[viral yew]

I don't really like queens ransom but up to you

[viral yew]

That is a speedrun strat yeah

[opal pecan]

TIL, makes sense

What an absolutely wild boon

[viral yew]

It's so dumb

[limpid spear]

goat speed run build on virtually every weapon is heinous affront + light smite

[silver linden]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide#arcana

can i copy this arcana layout

[edgy nacelle]

yeah sure, that's a very standard layout if you're running rerolls
you might want to swap a 1 cost card out for wayward son if you're worried about survivability, up to you
post-credits you'll often end up not running rerolls, but dw about that if you aren't there yet

[silver linden]

hmm

[edgy nacelle]

oh, also you can choose to run strength instead of death, if you like
but other than that I'd keep everything as-is, very solid loadout

[silver linden]

the only 1 cost competition is sprint

hmmm

[edgy nacelle]

yeah, up to you
I like sprint, but also I run a lot of high fear where vow of scars means -100% healing and wayward son doesn't do anything lol

[viral yew]

Wayward son gets to be a little overrated

[silver linden]

in the og hades it was forced ig lol

[edgy nacelle]

it also rly just depends how confident you are
if you're still learning the game then consistent healing is really nice! as you get more confident you can def go without it

[silver linden]

not only u go faster, but u can sprint through bodies ?

[edgy nacelle]

yup, altho only some enemies
particularly large ones you still need to dash through

[viral yew]

You can do without it

[edgy nacelle]

tbh every 1 cost other than sorceress is nice but never mandatory, imo
and sorceress is optional on certain aspects, just kinda essential if you want to use magick lol

[silver linden]

ukw, i shld just hoard ash for more important stuffs then come back to it kekw

[edgy nacelle]

oh yeah, if you don't have max grasp and all cards unlocked yet then dw about it! focus on unlocking cards which will have a big impact right now

[cerulean panther]

Does Possessed Array ignore Chaos Talent?

[edgy nacelle]

I believe so, but I think it also ignores stuff like fine lines...? i.e. it'll trigger fine lines but won't cost any more in the process, it's weird

[silver linden]

yeah i've been wondering, unless u specifically get magick recovs, it's like playing hera bow without regenerating casts lmao

[edgy nacelle]

to be clear sorceress is channel speed, not magick regeneration! the magick regen card is almost always bad lol, that one is called "the unseen"
but making your omega moves take less time to channel is VERY good

[viral yew]

Hera bow was worse with regen cast

[edgy nacelle]

also yes this is true lol

[silver linden]

wait wuh

[viral yew]

Way less damage

[edgy nacelle]

being able to load multiple casts into the same arrow is op

[viral yew]

Fr

[silver linden]

r staff/flame the more braindead weapons

[viral yew]

Yes

[silver linden]

apparently their mels r the most solid, circe n moros a tier above

[viral yew]

All mel aspects are good, mel staff is a bit better than circe, but moros clears all torch aspects

[silver linden]

mmm

[silver linden]

wait what's torche

[edgy nacelle]

people call flames torch a lot

[viral yew]

Flames

[silver linden]

lmao

mel staff takes %special right

[edgy nacelle]

yup! and ideally zeus attack, but it's flexible

[silver linden]

i havent seen zeus or hephaestus

only poseidon/hestia heh

[edgy nacelle]

then just grab a status curse of some kind for origination, assuming you're using origination

[opal pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280788714790322176/1447089428345393324/image.png?ex=69365a8d&is=6935090d&hm=59624e6fbf19aab910fb6352a3f3eb7cdd13c5550aa812903c362830145ee573& man imagine if I had gotten any of the ~meta~ gods in my pool

I don't think Blitz would have made it on the board if I hadn't had Romantic Spark

[edgy nacelle]

I mean 👀 even for nyx/mel coat hera and zeus are pretty meta I’d say

[silent crow]

"god imagine if i got the meta"
zeus/hera/apollo

[opal pecan]

No, you're right, just less so as the errrrrrrr main show, and I think it's genuinely good with Romantic Spark

Or rather, this is one of the Ideal Circumstances for Romantic Spark lol

[opal pecan]

Although I'm gonna hop in here like "wait why did you leave Selene out"

"why can't moon mama come to this party"

[edgy nacelle]

oh! I mean she can
I just mean like. “for the coats that want poseidon/hestia attack”

[silent crow]

selene is like ok with anything

[opal pecan]

Oh inch resting do you usually put Ares on attack for Selene? I've been putting it on special

(per previous discussions about the amusement factor of specials suddenly doing a bunch of damage lmao)

[silent crow]

imo u just want ares somewhere

[edgy nacelle]

I usually do ares attack yeah
because I don’t like the omega attack lmaooo
so I take it to open up grievous and such then ignore it