h2-builds-and-combat

[edgy nacelle]

aaaand reset number 6 for dashing heave... thanks for choosing mel axe for me to run next this is so fun 🙃 /j

I could just take whatever, but I want to have fun and I don't like this weapon so. we reroll 😤

[broken spoke]

I just pick the one i feel most boring myself, seems a perfect choice

[spiral wadi]

supay, nyx, moros, and eos all have 0 clears on my save

shiva, persephone, nergal, hel, charon have 1 clear

[edgy nacelle]

🥺 the torch slander.... aw...
do you like mel torches lol or just no torches at all

[spiral wadi]

yea i just got a 62f mel torch a few minutes ago

[edgy nacelle]

oh nice! I just like torches lol, fav overall weapon type

[spark crown]

NAH THIS GAME EVIL ROOM 2 I ROLLED HEPH AND HE HAD ATTACK FLOURISH AND DASH AND THERSE ZEUS ON DOORS T_T

[spiral wadi]

ye magick hungry aspects r very fun

[spark crown]

i pray for sacrifice boon

i didnt get it T_t

nvm rolled master conductor

[spiral wadi]

https://images.steamusercontent.com/ugc/12373419855081022887/D4365DD003916B3757C0168C5135D2751AE93F20/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false interestingly i apparently have 47 moros attempts with no clear

i suspect i prob ran moros in high fear for a bit without learning it in lower fear

[edgy nacelle]

oh you meant clears, I thought you meant total times used lol
that's interesting...

[broken spoke]

straight to 62

[spark crown]

blood spree is so strong oml

[edgy nacelle]

tragically you can't rly get used to it if your- WELL. actually. if your 60f is everything off other than max scars then yeah you can get used to blood spree

[spiral wadi]

lol tbf i was looking at my coat thing and turns out i had a surface 40 mel coat immediately jump to surface 65

[edgy nacelle]

that sounds like you from what ik of you lol

[spiral wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-puppy-akita-doge-cute-gif-13467060

[rain wagon]

I wholeheartedly disagree, Morrigan is most played, highest fear and speed on both routes, it's beautiful.

[dreamy veldt]

Oh yay I beat vor4 chronos

[spiral wadi]

my "hiatus" has become more of a "do casual 62 for a bit"

[dreamy veldt]

I really had a mini breakdown saying I'd never be able to beat either vor4 boss after one attempt and then beat them both the very next attempt

[spiral wadi]

niice

[spark crown]

steady growth i will forever give you the credit you deserve (rarified blood spree to heroic)

[spiral wadi]

never let the mind games get to ya

[spark crown]

ANCORS SHOULD NOT BE ALOWED TO BE MASSIVE HIS ATTACKS HIT THE WHOLE SCREEN

[spiral wadi]

surface woes

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah I hate that

[spiral wadi]

come back to underworld it's nicer here

once u get past scylla it's free game

[spark crown]

TRUEEEE

[dreamy veldt]

You either go underworld for echo or surface for Circe

[spiral wadi]

thinking about doing like, void 3 rivals 3 that leaves u at like 61f

[edgy nacelle]

or I go surphace to spend time with my sweet husband of 18.5 fears Ephyra

...I didn't mean to spell surface like that. Ephyra spelling

[spiral wadi]

echo is good, only problem is that her gift gift gift boon is bugged to where if u've ever equipped jp at all, it won't show up even when u swap keepsakes

at least her other gifts are heat

[junior trail]

its too bad gramps isnt third region boss
no vor3 pun

[spiral wadi]

final boss cerberus

https://tenor.com/view/dog-bath-relax-pink-idgaf-gif-14366900

[spiral wadi]

https://images.steamusercontent.com/ugc/11378798858088654811/478CD7269A79C06A09AE71011B0874B6D5C7C17F/ here's first page

i might like circe aspect idk

[dreamy veldt]

Lol homer was stuttering over my statues

[spiral wadi]

black coat attempts r skewed cuz it's when i started to do undo nights to get thru runs faster

[junior trail]

holy hell are you serenity fan

[spiral wadi]

i played circe after serenity got cut 🎃

[dreamy veldt]

Why is Odysseus so needy bro

[spark crown]

https://imgur.com/qWq6n11

I have a preferance

[spiral wadi]

it'd be so good if they made it so god keepsakes could rarify 1/2/3/4 times for that god

ok ig heph start would be kinda dumb busted if that happened like

wait no jp wouldn't be there

[junior trail]

i already can hear zag card weeping

[edgy nacelle]

or just make cherished heirloom do that so it does something

[ornate frost]

Just buff Card too, easy

[spiral wadi]

honestly kinda surprised they didn't do a funny like, secret 5th rarity for it

ig u'd need to see a sacrifice boon to see heroic

[flint widget]

ok how the hell do i send images here

[dreamy veldt]

You don't

[flint widget]

im done eating

[spiral wadi]

imgur link and send

[junior trail]

mel torches > moros fr
(sry pan ive been abandoning you since unseen update nerf wave )
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1351057987577450588/1436296401821761557/image.png?ex=690f16c3&is=690dc543&hm=39cd5f3d2043338f79c42a0f9e079a01067653f7acc57747b6f20fbc4a89402b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1562&height=976

[edgy nacelle]

imgur, or send in a private disc server/dm and copy paste the link

[spiral wadi]

damn good variety

[dreamy veldt]

Also I've been learning that it is possible to level something up and it not do anything

I've pommed 2s Heph boons twice and it just does nothing 😂

[edgy nacelle]

I stg when I can tell it's a natural athena room my ability to dodge just disappears, I'm like "any second she'll show up :)" and just facetank damage for no reason smh

[flint widget]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1283830399683919906/1436299656094154823/screenshot.jpg?ex=690f19cb&is=690dc84b&hm=8725d702a467c72aafba667fa70261162fe3285e77720e5e656484dc9bc3ca0f&=&format=png

yo malkin

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1283830399683919906/1436299735756570785/screenshot.jpg?ex=690f19de&is=690dc85e&hm=28f4a15ff72dfa31b62f0549964d0b9c4b2d0b60085373272da087fb0c48dd30&=&format=png

[dreamy veldt]

Lmao

[edgy nacelle]

lmao our tastes are very different huh
altho at least we can agree on mel axe and arty blades ig, similarly low for both of us
||play more moros tho 👀|| ||I'll play more medea if you do 👀 👀||

[flint widget]

nah moros sucks ass for me personally

i dont really get it

[dreamy veldt]

I would show mine but I'm in the middle of a run sad

Just know momskull is probably like double everything else

[edgy nacelle]

huh, fair ig since that's me with medea
or like. I get it on paper, in practice it just doesn't click with my brain

[dreamy veldt]

Mash

[spark crown]

oops a face tanked prom to hard XD

i lost a dd to his big flame circle

[ornate frost]

Honestly when I play Medea I do clear faster but I also end up taking a lot of damage I wouldn’t on other aspects 💀 my dumb ass keeps treating the special dash like it has iframes and it doesn’t and I get punished for it every time

[dreamy veldt]

Literally just yxyxyxyxyx and the you start killing things

[spark crown]

other than that a face tanked everything else

[junior trail]

medea is male chromosome confirmed

[dreamy veldt]

I have to wake up for work in 2 and a half hours

[flint widget]

planning to play some of my other least played aspects tho and thats including moros

[spark crown]

i just got stun locked by the running summit miniboss

[dreamy veldt]

Might just stay up and keep playing, but tbh how it always works is I decide to stay up and then 30 minutes before I need to be up I fall asleep

[edgy nacelle]

maybe it'll click then
tbh if you like mel torches at all you'll prob enjoy it at least a bit, unless you just special spam ig

[junior trail]

the thing that mel torches > moros for me is mostly pre-rework stuff, i think +o.special duration is pretty handy but +crit post-rework aint bad either
and ngl moros feels too op for me so i avoid playing it, it melts enemies too fast

[flint widget]

i special spam for mel torches

its just too fun doing spin 2 win

[spark crown]

welp i need to take a break from hades 2

[spark crown]

try eos

its very good for spin to win

[edgy nacelle]

ooooh... not a fine lines enjoyer? ig for high fear that's a lot harder to justify, but still

[flint widget]

i already got 62 for eos you dont need to tell me that

[edgy nacelle]

gee whoever told you that about eos sounds really smart and great :)

(I love eos I'm glad you enjoyed it)

[spark crown]

i dont know who could have done it :P

probably some background character :P

[dreamy veldt]

Is eos the best one

[edgy nacelle]

idk about best overall
it's notably quite good for high fear tho. needs less magick, has a strong start without boons, good wards clear, very safe...

[flint widget]

ok imma start off with mel skull

how the hell do u play mel skull

[junior trail]

eos is good in high fear cuz you can keep your distance using daybreaker
also zeus special+arc flash combo never disappoints

[manic shuttle]

yea play skong instead

[spark crown]

no i want the new marvel rivals titles

[edgy nacelle]

high fear?
mel skull is p versatile I think, you can oatk or spam normal attacks
oatk is kinda slow tho

[manic shuttle]

don't know those

[flint widget]

yep im playing 50 fear

am i insane for considering 50 fear a fun amount of fear

[dreamy veldt]

I feel like the answer to how to play Mel aspect on any weapon is the same answer as how do you play this weapon

[edgy nacelle]

nah 50f is pretty fun once you're used to it

[dreamy veldt]

No it means you're a person with varied tastes

[edgy nacelle]

but for mel skull:
% on attack and spam attacks of some kind, tho 👍
abuse the power bonus from missing ammo, avoid wide grin and don't quite play it like medea since you don't want to pick up skulls between every attack

[junior trail]

1. turn autofire on (optional)
2. attack pew pew pew pew
3. special to gather

rinse and repeat

[manic shuttle]

ye I also play it with autofire

[edgy nacelle]

my fav mel skill build was aphro attack island getaway with increased ammo and auto reload lol, but any % atk is fun

[manic shuttle]

button mashing my behated

[flint widget]

im trying to aim for wide grin parray shenanigans

[edgy nacelle]

auto reload just means you have a ranged machine gun tho and never need to special, fun and silly

[dreamy veldt]

I thought skull would've liked flat damage

[edgy nacelle]

wide grin turns off the aspect entirely, maybe don't do that

or oooh wait parray

[flint widget]

dont care, its funny

[junior trail]

oh mom skull loves on-hit on attack
% dmg on special also spicy

[edgy nacelle]

I see I see. I mean hey if you wanna highroll
I like wide grin on mom skull tho, and machine gun for mel 🤷

[edgy nacelle]

mel skull gets base power on attack as its aspect bonus, so nice synergy w % boosts

[dreamy veldt]

Ah gotcha

I haven't played Mel skull in a while

It's 99% momskull and 1% medea

I don't even remember the last aspect

[flint widget]

as a medea main thats painful to hear

[dreamy veldt]

Oh frostmane duh

[edgy nacelle]

hel, aka "what if skulls were torches actually"

[dreamy veldt]

That one's cool too but I hate the range

But I mean the special makes up for it

They should give me a sword weapon as dlc

Girls with swords = good

[flint widget]

play h1 aspect of arthur then

[dreamy veldt]

girls with swords = good

[edgy nacelle]

date nemesis then ig

[dreamy veldt]

Done

[edgy nacelle]

also mel with aspect of arthur + zag with a staff would be peak actually yeah, for my personal tastes

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah that would be sick

I actually had a dream yesterday I think where there was an option to play as Zagreus in 2

[fierce citrus]

only reason to play hades btw

[dreamy veldt]

And you fight h1 bosses but like a second alternate form

[fierce citrus]

once you bang nemesis you 100 percent the game

[flint widget]

yk what im gonna grind medea 62s instead cuz why not

[dreamy veldt]

Lerny was made of metal

[fierce citrus]

peak have fun

[flint widget]

plus its aspect of the week on speedcord

[flint widget]

medea my goat

the weapon and the character

[dreamy veldt]

Ooh I should make a character tier list

[manic shuttle]

eris ss tier

[fickle glade]

Nahhhh Zag with an Axe. Mel with Gun

Incantation of Rattatata

[edgy nacelle]

zag with an axe is fine, great even
however, male mages/healers my beloved

[fierce citrus]

finally someone speaking facts

[edgy nacelle]

also yeah, eris is my favorite romance option for mel by a mile
||icarus would be my favorite romance option for me, however||

[flint widget]

ok tried medea 62s for a bit and it sucks ass

guess ill grind rivals 4 speedruns

[dreamy veldt]

https://imgur.com/a/SZYS5m0

[rare ermine]

link to that tier maker. hades says its my turn 🥺

[dreamy veldt]

Prometheus swaps between cool and boring to me depending on what he's talking about

[junior trail]

I’m down bad for Heracles

[dreamy veldt]

https://tiermaker.com/create/hades-ii-all-characters-16481344

Heracles is attractive but the most boring character ever

[edgy nacelle]

... "builds and combat" also lol

actually. wait no I've changed my mind, tier list redacted as I edit

[rare ermine]

the combat part is where we critique each others tier list

[edgy nacelle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426118288198602775/1436312325224271903/Screenshot_2025-11-07_at_3.12.11_AM.png?ex=690f2597&is=690dd417&hm=de672df62cb3174b80a7129ff520291db070e01b9dc021b55c63bd5ef43d97b0&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1254&height=1694
there. moderately edited, based entirely on my personal tastes (and only on h2 portrayal)

[edgy nacelle]

omg your pfp is a bear
😭
why am I blind
I was registering it as a weirdly orange man, and the ear on the left as a bit of hair sticking up

[flint widget]

8:09 rivals 4 surface, not bad

actually faster than most of my regular speedruns cuz possessed array fine line ocean swell cut above drunken stupor is op as hell

[rare ermine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1236603598708805702/1436314109019689030/image.png?ex=690f2741&is=690dd5c1&hm=5c603da171c0eae719cba9c7aadc9e1a36bf532cc57228bbf57f2830705ce0bd&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1186&height=675
idk at this point

[edgy nacelle]

they're hard to rank.... also everyone's are so varied so far 👀

[flint widget]

also turns out that my run broke the rivals 4 speedrun wr... by about one second

[rare ermine]

are you going to sumbit it to the speedrun leaderboards

[flint widget]

nah didnt record

also checked the speedcord

turns out yesterday someone got a sub 8 rivals 4 surface so it aint a world record

ill fckin take second place tho

[junior trail]

this sounds about right
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1351057987577450588/1436315314882220124/Untitled-1.png?ex=690f2860&is=690dd6e0&hm=6f763862ad864185c51b95a88e48165e5332be9ef6ecc677f65761541eab34da&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[edgy nacelle]

LMAOOO the bottom tier

[rare ermine]

the heracles glazing is insane

[hollow briar]

Seeing a shocking amount of Apollo slander here

[edgy nacelle]

I like apollo in mythology a lot, and I like his singing and his design, and his boons
just........ he kinda doesn't do anything in the story 😔

he mentions hyacinth once which is cool ig. but

[hollow briar]

I think him being genuinely good buddies with Mel and his dialogue being kinda sweet does a lot of the heavy lifting for me lol

[edgy nacelle]

he's high on my tier list of "characters I'd enjoy hanging out with" for sure

[rare ermine]

how come you put heracles in the glaze tier but he's also not wearing real clothes 🤨

and heph too i think?

[junior trail]

its not about the clothes (he can wear a garbage bag for all i care)
its about voice & attitude

[rare ermine]

fair fair. i did put heracles highest on my needs more story tier

[edgy nacelle]

epic task force on my primed out mel axe run huh
let's go

[junior trail]

also if include the dio fanmade portrait where he puts the leopard robe on, he's skyrocketed to the yooo tier
speedo only is too bare for me

anyways build and combat eh 😂

[edgy nacelle]

valid but also it's funny af 💀 such an unhinged design choice, also equality, if aphro is naked so is he xo

[edgy nacelle]

lmao. I used epic task force on my primed out mel axe build xo

annoyingly I died to typhon attempt one using dashing heave because I hate this weapon. but attempt 2 was fun af actually

aw boo, I was hoping suffering on sight would make the damage board... it felt rather fun with aphro dash

[flint widget]

i just got the frenzy 10 glitch for the first time.

[edgy nacelle]

oh? haven't heard of that lol

[flint widget]

and it was during a rivals 4 speedrun.

its like a glitch where

occassionally, when bosses unfreeze

due to a bug in the code

it makes them go super fast

[edgy nacelle]

also, 40f rivals4 checklist:
Mel Axe surface done, what next before I go to sleep (if I have another run in me tonight, we'll see)

[edgy nacelle]

oh, yikes. for rivals 4 that sounds... interesting lol

[flint widget]

due to the game overcompensating for the freeze effect

the triple scythe was like instant lol

bro unleashed all of the scythes in like 0.3 seconds

and watch foolish beat max fear with this glitch on

[thorny raft]

who is the third person in eh? ive played the game n have finished epilogue but have never seent that person

[junior trail]

narcissus

[edgy nacelle]

old filler art for narcissus which was never in the game fr, iirc

[thorny raft]

damn he looks so different

[edgy nacelle]

it was just a draft, but also I like the real art so much more lol, it cracks me up

the contrast between his pose + appearance and voice sends me 💀

[thorny raft]

his voice kinda reminds me of keanu

or critical

[edgy nacelle]

I believe he's voiced by the same guy who voices Zagrues, Skelly, and also composed all the music in the game

[true gust]

its hel

[true gust]

Zagreus on DLC or riot

[junior trail]

theres already h2 mod for mel to play h1 regions so it might work in reverse too

still in a very infant stage but playable

[viral gale]

What counts as a “hit” for the purposes of proc’ing Froth?

All damage sources, or just weapon hits?

[austere trail]

if you have wave strike/flourish that will inflict froth

breaker rush doesn't count

[viral gale]

No I meant proc’ing the damage, not applying Froth

[austere trail]

it's just 25% chance to take 50 damage no?

ohhh when hit

[true gust]

Actually I was reading story between Melinoe and Nemesis and they were talking about Elisium that it's possible to go there instead Oceanos and after Oceanus Fields of Moarning I guess but It would be nice to have alternative path so after Elysium they could just add Tartarus. I know Melinoe sometimes is grabbed by chronos to Tartarus and the cerber+ is in tartarus, but you know, alternative paths would bo good as DLC

Or maybe exploring realm of chaos I dunno

[austere trail]

yeah it's probably any source of damage

[junior trail]

all dmg sources

[viral gale]

Cool

[thorny raft]

whats the usual supay build? been ignoring that aspect for awhile but wanna try now

[true gust]

I would chase for beach ball

[junior trail]

Supay is all about on-hit effects, so things like Blitz (+Static Shock), Scorch, Splash, and Blast are its best friends. If you try to build % damage, you’re basically confirming you’ll deal no damage

Supay's bread & butter is:
Heaven Flourish (Zeus Special) + Aphrodite Core → Romantic Spark.
It starts a little slow, but once Romantic is online it’s basically a free win. Supay also works super well with Glamour Gain, so Aphro fits naturally

You can also pick up another duo to push the build further, like:

• Wave Strike (Poseidon Attack) + Slippery Slope or Tidal Ring (Poseidon Cast) → Killer Current
• Flame Strike (Hestia Attack) or Smolder Ring (Hestia Cast) → Thermal Dynamic
• Static Shock + Hephaestus Core → Master Conductor

The Rush Boon aspect bonus is just extra flavor, throw whatever you like on it:
Thunder Rush, Breaker Rush, Nexus Rush, Passion Rush all work great, Heat Rush is also okay

[flint widget]

beach ball isn't affected by supay rush boon bonus iirc

[junior trail]

tbh i dont like rush boon build supay autofire stuff is more interesting imo

[manic shuttle]

dividing blaze and inverted blaze hammers are really good with it

[thorny raft]

i see i see. thanks for the rundown 🩷

[true gust]

okay but it fits anyway

[turbid crescent]

Ive never encountered a godsent hex, is there any prerequisites for it?

not that I like using hexes anyway but hey

[junior trail]

did you unlock the incantation?

[turbid crescent]

which one

[digital juniper]

you need to have used all hexes atleast once

[turbid crescent]

oh well

I never uses hexes anyway

[ornate frost]

Tbf the Rush stuff doesn't typically interfere with the on-hit stuff; I find that I commonly get both (especially since two of the most used rush/dash boons for Supay are Poseidon's and Hestia's, who also have flat-damage boons that mesh well with the autoprojectiles, so you'll likely just pick up the rush incidentally

[junior trail]

bro missed out peak

[turbid crescent]

too annoying to use

I do fw the hp recovery hex tho

If I have to take hexes, thats the one I'd prefer

[junior trail]

fair, i like using thunder rush on supay as well
not beach ball though

[ornate frost]

Yeah I don't go out of my way for beach ball, though it's fun if it ends up in there somehow

[true gust]

I like shiva

[left dirge]

Guys i got hel and its very neat

I was not that big a fan of revaal bc it felt like it took a while to get the ball rolling but hel is fun af

[true gust]

I killed zagreus on hel spamming special

with ignite lol

[junior trail]

bro been ping ponged to death

[true gust]

literally xD

[harsh prism]

I can't help but take the ||Zagreus ||fight every time even though I know it's going to kill my run

[austere trail]

I've won every time except for the time I had supay and fought him in erebus

[harsh prism]

Can't say the same unfortunately, but I keep getting him while trying aspects I don't understand (Anubis, Hel, Persephone)

He keeps getting me with the spin attack for 75

[thorny raft]

hidden helix enduring coil or mega blaze for supay

[junior trail]

3 balls 3 balls

[thorny raft]

epic

[vagrant sentinel]

Yall how can i beat zagrues ez?

i use hades/pershone boon atm

[rare ermine]

Fight him at a later stage with a full build or practice his fight more

[hollow stag]

For Charon Axe,

Who is the best 4th God besides Apollo, Poseidon, Demeter?

[junior trail]

ares? (meat grinder and hostile)

[twin ice]

is there any good source of information on best builds for each weapon? can't really find something that is up to date with the game's version

[junior trail]

There’s a super helpful h2 guide by unexplainedbacn, really informative and easy to follow
It even breaks down how to play and build around each aspect, which is great if you’re still figuring things out
https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide
(Heads up though, it does contain spoilers if you haven’t hit post-game yet!)

[harsh prism]

Nemesis just stole my ||Hades ||room

This Greater Chaos below has been such a painful run

[hollow stag]

Which is more useful for Charon Axe? 30% more Casts damage or 90% more Specials damage?

[rare ermine]

Cast

[junior trail]

cast

[opal pecan]

It's so funny/annoying that she can do that. Girl, that's my dad.

[harsh prism]

Also had a mildly funny bug/interaction where we tied so no gold was exchanged, and then the dialogue after was "I'm sick of you always taking my gold!"

I don't understand Supay, it just seems strictly worse than all the other flame aspects

[junior trail]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

[tawny imp]

Til twilight curse can hit hectate copies

[opal pecan]

Yep! It's useful for weeding them out.

[harsh prism]

okay that makes sense. My pool that run was strictly apollo and demeter with forfeit so not really the aspects fault

Also, did I imagine this or did we not do an incantation that makes Chronos susceptible to Sheep Hex?

[junior trail]

Temporal Fluctuation makes phase shift and eternity work on chronos, not twilight curse

[opal pecan]

It would be so funny if you could sheep gramps. It would be busted as hell

[rare ermine]

If it works on hecaclone why not the chromer time clone

[opal pecan]

Oh does it not work on P3 clones?

Wait, but the P3 clones can be damaged, right?

[rare ermine]

I dont think so, its like the summit clone

Attacks phase through?

[opal pecan]

Ah, I totally misunderstood then. Damn, sheep that clone!

[bronze flax]

I... I just got the Aspect of Charon bug and ohh wow, it is strong lmao

[austere trail]

fully intended behaviour

SGG if you're watching please don't change it

[rustic egret]

charon needs the sauce

let it keep the funny bug

since its dependent on a slow ass omega attack for its gimmick

plus can it really do anything that circe can't

[glossy rain]

does looming ignition work with medea's aspect?

[bronze flax]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking for it to get removed

[austere trail]

omega special you mean?

also charon is plenty strong without imo

[rustic egret]

im using 'attack' broadly but yes

omega 'move'

it is strong without but i even with sorcress its real unfun

unless you get the sudden cleave hammer or whatever its called

[austere trail]

giga cleave?

[rustic egret]

the one for faster omega charge

[austere trail]

ah

charon is the most fun axe aspect for me

[rustic egret]

or like, racing thoughts

[rustic egret]

honestly it is but its still so painful...

[bronze flax]

I think The Messenger Arcana really helps here. I have The Messenger and it feels safer

[rustic egret]

I have it too

Still feels unfun

[brittle wave]

Is the charon bug still in the game?

[rustic egret]

it feels better on surface runs but thats a product of not having to rip your hair out trying to find opportunities to omega special on rivals scylla

god i hate rivals scylla so much

easily worst rivals fight in the game barring polyphemus

("worst" meaning least fun)

[junior trail]

Yes but the bonus damage and range are very minuscule for Medea’s gameplay

[junior trail]

Yes, maybe it’s not a bug after all lol

[brittle wave]

Oh ty for telling me

[austere trail]

that's what I've been saying!!! (it could legit be changed next patch though lol)

[glossy rain]

i looked at the wiki and there it says the size increase is faster than it should be while the damage increase is lower than it should be so yeah doesn't do much

[junior trail]

Pretty sure the range bug has been fixed, wiki is a bit outdated atm

[glossy rain]

is it not yet up to 1.1?

[junior trail]

Pretty much yeah

[opal pecan]

In places, it isn't even up to 1.0

[rustic egret]

Bottomless drink or Happy Haze?

[junior trail]

Which aspect

[rustic egret]

Circe

[junior trail]

I mean.. happy haze is pretty handy and Circe won’t benefit much from drink

[gritty solstice]

hiiii

which weapon is the best for Demeter and Hestia Duo?

[rustic egret]

Cool, taking haze

[glossy rain]

not build but still gameplay: when the game tells me that i won't need a ressource and can recycle it, can I trust it and always recycle all?

[gritty solstice]

always check by yourself

see if has any upgrade or incantation that require that material

if not, recycle.

[junior trail]

Any weapons with high hit rate to stack scorch (and go big boom with arctic ring) so,
Staff with mirrored, Anubis attack, torches o.special, non-morrigan blades attack spam, mom/hel skull attack spam, coat with exhaust

[glossy rain]

you mean go trough every arcana cauldron aspect and decor including ones i might not have unlocked yet

[opal pecan]

You can trust it. If anything, the little notification errs on the side of caution, even taking into account ingredients that are needed to create other things that are themselves needed in yet another thing.

[gritty solstice]

thaaaanks

[glossy rain]

thanks
and by that you mean it lists shadow exctract ingredients as "needed" even if the exctract itself isn't needed?

[opal pecan]

The reverse of that! I eventually no longer had Psyche, Ashes, etc. marked as "Needed" anymore.

[glossy rain]

[brittle wave]

Why is the aspect of nyx considered good?

[austere trail]

because of the omega sprint and nightspawn

[spiral wadi]

nightspawn goes crazy i think

i've never played nyx but i think it's considered the best coat aspect

[brittle wave]

But nightspawn does not increase the dmg right,

?

[rustic egret]

decreases damage

but at max level it is a damage icnrease

[spiral wadi]

o huh

[opal pecan]

1. it's not about increasing the damage, it's about increasing the number of hits
2. if you add up the nightspawns, it adds up to a total damage increase

[rustic egret]

and also more damage instances = more better scorch, blitz, splash, etc.

[brittle wave]

Ic ty guys

[rustic egret]

kinda a tie between it and shiva yeah

[brittle wave]

So I should not be playing percentage on my special or attack?

[rustic egret]

generally yeah

[opal pecan]

Well, idk if I'd say "should not", but rather, "it isn't the maximally optimal move"

[rustic egret]

blitz will go hard, scorch will go hard, splash will go hard on rockets

also get good at the special -> dash strike combo for general room clear

[brittle wave]

Why not attack?

[rustic egret]

also attack but especially special

[opal pecan]

Rockets hit 2-4 times, attack only hits once

[brittle wave]

Y not nightspawn?

[rustic egret]

with nightspawn up

[spiral wadi]

nah the dash attack goes crazy

[brittle wave]

Ah I ty

[opal pecan]

True! Just talkin about generalities

[rustic egret]

get nightspawn -> dash strike -> special -> repeat until nightspawn out

[brittle wave]

I thought I had to special attack twice. Is that less optimal?

[spiral wadi]

fair lol

[rustic egret]

nah just special once, if you get good at the special into dash strike rhythm it goes hard for roomclear

[brittle wave]

I mean special - attack - attack

[brittle wave]

Ic ty

[rustic egret]

ah ive just been doing special -> dashattack -> special -> dashattack

you can animation cancel the special so its high APM but high damage

[opal pecan]

Unrelated to literally everything, I kinda wish there was an (OPTIONAL) audio cue that would ping when a channel was done channeling 😭 Obviously I would turn this off on, like, torches, but I swear to god on Morrigan and other longer channels I'm just like "oops let go of the button six milliseconds too soon :)"

[rustic egret]

THIS

[opal pecan]

all the damn time

[rustic egret]

THIS IS WHY I HATE MORRIGAN

[opal pecan]

And it wasted SO MUCH TIME

[rustic egret]

b tier aspect AT BEST and ppl wana glaze it so much

[austere trail]

I'm number 1 morrigan glazer

[brittle wave]

Srry guys but last question, can I go jeweled pom on this?

[opal pecan]

You can go jpom on everything

[brittle wave]

OK ty

[austere trail]

I got a 32F clear on it today, only rivals 3 though

[rustic egret]

I got a 36 clear with rivals 4 on underworld

I hate it so goddamn much

[opal pecan]

I will learn how to install mods for this game if someone makes a mod that (accurately and effectively, without side effects) implements "optional ping when channel is done"

[brittle wave]

Srry to ask again but nightspawn does not effect dash strike so y?

[rustic egret]

because the dash strike goes hard regardless

[left dirge]

For those that use Judgement, what other arcana do you use with it?

[brittle wave]

So should I go percentage on it? And what combo do I use on bosses

[left dirge]

I feel insanely weak with it always and rarely can get to the final stage on any serious Oath run, been using the dice corner but like… again not giving me much for damage or longevity there

[rustic egret]

you can? still probably best for multihit stuff because it has a lot of hits

and for bosses uhhhhhhh honestly you can just nightspawn and punch stuff or do the same combo

or special spam

[austere trail]

what fear? anything that is 62 or below should not be using judgement

[brittle wave]

Ic ty for the tips

[split igloo]

Im quite proud for vanquishing ||Typhon|| in my second attempt.

[left dirge]

Wdym why not

[austere trail]

because it's a meme card

[left dirge]

Usually 15-20 hear i think is what im trying to work with, specifically for the upgraded bosses

[opal pecan]

If you really want to just for the memes, my suggestions are:

1. Strength or Death
2. Origination or Lovers
3. Persistence

[left dirge]

Do people not like using Judgement lmao

[opal pecan]

It's objectively not good (but if you are doing it for fun, that is totally fine)

[austere trail]

it's literally gambling for good cards

[left dirge]

Yeah i mean I’m doing it for the challenge

I just also want to win and need advice

Bc im baby brained and turtle reflexed

[opal pecan]

I mean, what have you been running up to now

[austere trail]

what escalier said then

[opal pecan]

I just checked Crossroads and interestingly, one of the sets has Wayward Son. I would have thought that if you were at high enough Fear to need Judgment, you would have already been at max Scars 🤔

High Fear peeps please chime in because now I'm curious

[left dirge]

Judgement run wise? Uh max bosses, max reinforcements, max respawn, max perks, and … what else im missing 2 others i usually do…

[opal pecan]

I meant Arcana haha

[left dirge]

Oh max enemies from another area and max blue shields

You know, for fun

[left dirge]

Oh lmao judgement and dice corner

[austere trail]

just use fates whim, you can't afford the full dice corner

[opal pecan]

Oh right you did mention. Yeah, no, my suggestion will definitely be an improvement in that case then lol

[left dirge]

Baller ty

[opal pecan]

This way you can also run jpom out the door, and that's gotta help

[left dirge]

Also someone 💀’d my oath choices is this a good judgement or a “youre a brainlet” judgement

[opal pecan]

It's "that's certainly not the easiest set of vows", I think.

[austere trail]

it's just ridonkulously challenging imo lol

more power to you though I guess

[opal pecan]

It's not the worst either tbc! but if you're out for the challenge why not

[left dirge]

Lmfao really i kind of thought those were the easier ones out of dabbling

[austere trail]

max wards and hordes with judgement has to suck

[left dirge]

Its kinda like running into a concrete wall until it breaks ngl

[opal pecan]

Honestly if they're easy to you then they're easy, period, because you are the only person who matters in your own playthrough, but you can also experiment if you've only been doing the same thing the whole time

[left dirge]

Managed to beat grandpa but not biggest Dad … and not consistently in that first one enough…

Also

Jpom?

[austere trail]

jeweled pom, post-story keepsake

[opal pecan]

Have you finished the main game?

[austere trail]

I'd recommend you at least finish the story before trying out the meme run 😭

[left dirge]

No im almost there though have one more biggest dad left before i can progress but ive cleared out the grandpa side of that part of the story

[opal pecan]

Okay, so you will not gain that particular benefit. Well, you will see in future ;)

[left dirge]

I want it to be clear I am not good this is not me bragging I might genuinely be past 150 runs

But i refuse to give up bc removing the oaths makes it easier than Id like it to be

Its like… hm

[opal pecan]

I think that putting on a million fully optional challenge modifiers and making other choices to increase the difficulty probably has something to do with the 150 runs, yes

That is entirely valid and up to you!

[rustic egret]

similar situation, Ive finished mostly everything the game has to offer story wise but I still run on 36 fear because any less and I feel like I'm not pushing myself

[left dirge]

Yes see you get it

Im not good, and I should probably stop, but its just too fun, and i will be damned before I stop using judgement

… i… may also not have judgement fully upgraded

[opal pecan]

MICO.

[left dirge]

Just realizing that now as I look at the wiki so i dont think im getting all the cards

[rustic egret]

🫥

[opal pecan]

LMAO.

[left dirge]

Yeah no i have 4 cards on success,m

Oh thats why - I thought it was weird that I only get everything at the very end and only with medea’s trinket

Huh til

Fellas maybe I am a legend

[austere trail]

you mean circe's?

[left dirge]

Yes

Maybe i am a legend guys, like rock lee with his weights

Hm

On another area, it has made me extremely better at running and dodging for cast builds

Promare and bigly guy boss fight especially

And poly… and eris you know the top run route is very much a game of tag but for keeps

And speaking of cast builds i didnt realize this but did hephies cast get buffed? Its ridiculously strong whenever i use it lately even at low rarity and level

[opal pecan]

Not to my knowledge, at least not in 1.0+? am dumdum, see below

[rustic egret]

they buffed common ding ring only iirc

i still think its one of the worst casts because it lacks raw dps like zeus or status application like poseidon and doesnt count as anvil blasts

good early game but falls off

[left dirge]

Oh really - i put it on with dionysus lobs and … i want to say icarus cast and just shredded my way through a top run

Do yall have any recommendations for a good cast charon build that isnt tidal ring as the main cast boon?

Not sure who else’s casts work for omega charon blasts? Apollo maybe?

[rustic egret]

Blind ring is nice

Sword ring recently got buffed

Heph ring is pretty good as well

(for that purpose at least)

demeter and aphro, despite not being burst, still have good enough utility to warrant consideration

[opal pecan]

Dionysus should pay reparations for every time Fig Leaf fails to proc in a region

[spiral wadi]

it's particularly good on circe cast

[haughty bear]

Man Charon’s Keepsake has been power crept into the ground

The Time Piece is so much stronger

Like to a ridiculous degree

And I haven’t even fully upgraded it

[opal pecan]

Charon's still there for if you want rerolls ig

[haughty bear]

Also question, does the Concave stone work for Hades and HIS boons?

[opal pecan]

Hades gives blessings, not boons

[haughty bear]

Yeah but 150 is NOTHING

Like at least put a discount on the wells and the shop while you have the thing

[glass bone]

Yeah… at-least it doesn’t actively hurt you, I guess (cough bell cough)

[proper cloak]

Time piece does force you to give up some items

[glass bone]

If it’s high fear, not really

[proper cloak]

On high fear do people just scrap the onion

[glass bone]

You can get rid of Onions from Vow of Forfeit, Magick pots for mana less aspects, and Poms if you started with JPom

The Onions aren’t the most valuable thing to sell (150 gold), but it’s something

Oh wow, I just noticed that. A sold Onion is worth the same as an entire keepsake

[proper cloak]

Charon keepsake isn't even that bad, it's just so outclassed now

[haughty bear]

You can also scrap minor finds in the Fields

[glass bone]

Oh also you can buy the Chaos well item, and sell the Chaos boon for like 500 gold to just get a skip room with no curse or boon.

[haughty bear]

For 200 pieces of gold a pop

Like that is excessive

[proper cloak]

True

[thorny raft]

ennduring coil rising helix or hidden helix for moros torches?

[haughty bear]

The random garbage you find in the Fields should be worth like 100, 200 is just ridiculous

[rain wagon]

Some arcana setups just end up with 1 unused grasp, with the only 1 pointer left being Wayward Son.
Some have it to enable/disable one of the 0-cost arcana.
If surface run, there's a small chance Circe can remove Vow of Scars.

[proper cloak]

In fields is there even that much use for money

[haughty bear]

building capital for the Pre Chronos Shop?

[brittle wave]

Is Eos better than supay?

[haughty bear]

Probably

[opal pecan]

The context of the discussion was Judgment runs specifically!

[glass bone]

IMO, absolutely

[opal pecan]

I was wondering why with only three cards allowed, people would pick WS at high Fear -- is it just gambling for BNB?

[rain wagon]

Also worth mentioning purging Chaos boons, 550 gold and avoids potential bad curse.

[brittle wave]

Ic ty and is persephone better than hel?

[rain wagon]

Hmm, were they running only Scars 2, with Strength maybe? That's strong Judgement line.

[glass bone]

Tougher call, but perhaps. Hel just needs Poseidon / Hestia Attack, but Persephone can high roll very well

[hollow stag]

Can there be more than one Ares' Meat Grinder at one time due to Charon Axe?

[glass bone]

Like I feel like Hel has an easier time getting to a peak, but Persephone may have a higher average peak

[opal pecan]

No idea, but apparently this is a setup that at least 17 people (17 runs?) used!

For 62+F

[brittle wave]

Ic ty

[haughty bear]

Also I am just getting them, and it clearly says Boons of Hades lol

[rain wagon]

Probably Strength angle then.

[opal pecan]

Are there 62+F setups which don't run max Scars?

[opal pecan]

Yeah, but nevertheless, they're treated differently from Boons which are defined as coming from Olympians. It's confusing wording.

[hollow stag]

Actually, which is better for Charon Axe

Geyser Spout or Meat Grinder?

[glass bone]

Geyser Spout

[haughty bear]

I figured I figured

[rain wagon]

Yeah, you go 2 or 3 Void, pick Strength + Wayward Son + situational

[glass bone]

That + Power is a big deal, especially if you get Origination. That’s a big + Power, and a big % Additive, making a big damage spike per cast

[rain wagon]

Lets you go only 1 or 2 Scars

[hollow stag]

Then Ares wouldn't be good in Charon Build with Poseidon Geyser Spout

[opal pecan]

I see, thanks for explaining at length!

[glass bone]

Yeah… I mean you can go for Ares for Wounds Special as a % Special, or Wounds Attack for a curse (cause Charon semi struggles to get a curse going), but outside of Mutual Destruction there’s not anything massive from Ares for Charon

[rain wagon]

You pretty much never go 1 or 4 Void, they're too debilitating.

2 or 3 can be worked with.

[flint widget]

goddamn im so washed

can't even beat 62 with the freest aspect of all time (circe)

[hollow stag]

Besides Apollo, Poseidon, Demeter,

Who would be the best 4th god?

Unfortunately Poseidon and Ares kind of conflict with each other

[glass bone]

Hera can be great.

[rain wagon]

Even with Circe, 62 is never free, lol

[opal pecan]

Katsuki Yuuri calling himself a dime-a-dozen skater vibes

[glass bone]

You get a second curse if you take Special / Dash, Fine Line is an option if you take Flood Gain, and Bridal Glow and Proper Upbringing is always nice

[flint widget]

yeah ik but like before i used to clear 62s in like hours or a few days but now im struggling so hard

[glass bone]

You know I had a few moments where I couldn’t clear 62 for my life too

[opal pecan]

Ghost notif 🤔

[flint widget]

maybe its cuz i stopped playing as often cuz school

[hollow stag]

Charon is pretty much a one god Build.

All it needs is Apollo legendary with Lucid Gain.

Poseidon would be #2 for Geyser Spout.

Demeter is #3 for Omega Cast Damage boost.

[flint widget]

i just wanna feel the feeling of finally beating 62 again

to finally get back in the game again

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1436429967402467420/Hades_II_-_2025-11-07_10-51-04_AM.mp4 cool

love taking 80 unavoidable damage

[steep galleon]

Me after clearing 60f a few times

It's like all the skill evaporated from my body

[gloomy imp]

It's like you clear your goal and then your muscle memory completely vanishes forever for it is not needed anymore

[tawny imp]

Rare Level 6 Sea Star 🤑

who do i go for first in phase 2 of rivals scylla

whoever is featured?

[rain wagon]

You start by getting away from Scylla, as she'll dash at you, then you want to kill the top-right Tentacle, then Roxy (drummer).

[tawny imp]

opinions on unseen ire

[rain wagon]

Extremely strong

[tawny imp]

oh i always went for al tentacles first ok i see

[rain wagon]

The fight is chaotic, so you do some damage while moving around, but main priority is that top-right tentacle, then Roxy

[flint widget]

for me personally i just attack whoevers a pain in the ass

and that differs

[rain wagon]

Well, it's those 2 for me, always.

[flint widget]

would you rather face a million rivals scyllas or a million promacles

[rain wagon]

Depends on the fear

At 62 I'd rather fight Scylla

[tawny imp]

moros torches with ares attack looks so cool actually damn

[opal pecan]

I acknowledge that high Fear is probably different but I would rather fight Promacles a million times.

[glass bone]

Sirens, for the sole reason that I can have cooked fish (Godsent eclipse)

[tawny imp]

i hate rivals hectate because i know i juist die instantly if i have less than 90 into her

[glass bone]

Unfortunately, the two bros are more resistant to cheese strategies. Even hitch is helpful, not a complete solution

[tawny imp]

ihatesheepballihatesheepballihatesheepballihatesheepballihatesheepball

geniinely considering taking frinos just to make hectate fight go faster

[opal pecan]

This is an utter nubcake question but like. If you take damage, you do get a little microstun, right? Not just if you have that one Chaos curse?

I feel like I've had sheepball dodges get messed up because I got clipped by a Hec attack while sprinting for headroom

[tawny imp]

am i crazy for thinking moros is like a top 5 aspect

[flint widget]

true

[rain wagon]

Might be that one Vow of Fangs modifier

[opal pecan]

Nay, I've only got Time and Frenzy on, I don't run Fear really

[tawny imp]

"i dont run fear" then lists maybe the 2 most impactful fears

[opal pecan]

I would politely beg to differ that Time is particularly impactful compared to Rivals

[tawny imp]

i think its kind of weird

time itself isnt that hard but it makes everything harder

[opal pecan]

Yeah, but I've got nothing else turned on, so it's fine :D

[flint widget]

ok now would you rather face a million rivals chronos or a million rivals typhon

[devout ermine]

i dont struggle much with Time active, but i guess im just okay at following time constraints

[tawny imp]

rivals chronos is kind of a bum

[steep galleon]

Frenzy is a fun difficulty option as opposed to pain, grit, hordes and wards

Timer is a non issue

[tawny imp]

or more accurately it becomes exponentially impactful with more fear

[steep galleon]

Without the above mentioned

[opal pecan]

And I'm only running Frenzy 1, so it's not even the like, difficult difficult.

[tawny imp]

fear 40 makes me wanna die

[opal pecan]

Trying to learn Morrigan makes me want to exit game

[flint widget]

same except 62

[opal pecan]

The problem with Morrigan is that it tantalizes me with the seemingly very reachable prospect of understanding it. So I keep trying.

[tawny imp]

bringing morrigan and frinos just to absolutely murder hectate

[devout ermine]

my gripe is that circe doesnt wanna give me anubis- do i need a rank 5 aspect that isnt mel?

[opal pecan]

Yes.

[flint widget]

yep

[devout ermine]

alas, just like the first game

[opal pecan]

Mel aspects don't take Nightmare as the upgrade mat.

[flint widget]

push that fear

[opal pecan]

or just grind charon cards and bones like me

[flint widget]

that's the cowards route

[devout ermine]

but also that doesnt make sense to me considering im looking at my sister blades and mel is my only rank 5

[tawny imp]

i feel like dagger has the strongest hidden

[flint widget]

(i took that option as well)

[devout ermine]

but i have morrigan

[opal pecan]

Did you play during EA?

[devout ermine]

i did

must've unlocked morrigan prereq then and never had the materials to unlock it till now?

[opal pecan]

It's possible unlock requirements were different. Alternatively, others have suggested that it's just spending 5 nightmare on upgrades to aspects of that weapon, not necessarily all in the same aspect.

[devout ermine]

true,

guess i might wanna rank 2 circe staff

[tawny imp]

i wish morrigan was the base dagger moveset

[devout ermine]

but i really wanted to save my nightmares for morrigan

[flint widget]

ranking up circe staff only upgrades psychic leash dmg

[glass bone]

I don’t. The OSpecial and Special aren’t great

[rain wagon]

Base dagger moveset is fine tbh, it just needs x2 damage

[glass bone]

Mel Blades has x2 damage

[rain wagon]

No it doesn't

[devout ermine]

well yeah but like i dont use momus and im not sure how else to convince circe to give me anubis aspect

[flint widget]

backstab dmg

[rain wagon]

Getting a 100% additive multiplier is not double damage

[flint widget]

well ok sure

[rain wagon]

I'm talking about x2ing the base damages

[opal pecan]

How is that not double damage

[tawny imp]

the dream is morrigan attacks and normal dagger specials

[rain wagon]

Because the weapon with the smallest aoe should not be the worst at damage

[opal pecan]

x + 1(x) = 2x

[rain wagon]

Honestly, even if they straight up doubled base dagger's numbers, they'd still be worse than Morrigan...

[glass bone]

IMO, I disagree.

And I know it’s a bit obvious I would, but…

[tawny imp]

what the heck why does my path of stars have like 10 armor damage upgrades

[glass bone]

The damage of the Attack combo has been boosted in 1.0 to be pretty solid. It’s enough where you can very solidly build into a boon stacking combo

[rain wagon]

Morrigan would need more skill to outperform the normal aspects, but it still would

[tawny imp]

i love ares gain boon i gen dont get the hate

[glass bone]

The actual problem, is the hammers on Sister Blades are not equal

[rain wagon]

Might be leftover hate from before they buffed the pickup range.

[flint widget]

it needs his legen in order to feel good tbh

[glass bone]

There are some standouts. But they are very much not equal

[tawny imp]

FRINOS DIDNT BLOCK THE SHEEP BAL

[opal pecan]

It happens sometimes

[rain wagon]

Yeah, Morrigan is overall better with hammers, only exception is Trick Knives

[flint widget]

honestly i don't like frinos tbh

[rain wagon]

You'd think Artemis would be the best with Sweeping Ambush, but nah, Morrigan kingdom

[tawny imp]

dagger hammers are not good except trick knives which is for some reason one of the most broken hammers in the game

[flint widget]

frinos only has one niche use case and that's sheep ball block

[tawny imp]

i have brought frinos specifically for sheep block

[flint widget]

and that's only applicable in one fight

[tawny imp]

and he didnt do his job i hate him

[glass bone]

And then Frinos eats the exploding Cerberus fireballs and can make you take damage

[tawny imp]

i still need to get the dog and the weasel thing

[rain wagon]

I'd argue he's also great when you're running Strength with 0 Pain & Scars

[flint widget]

raki and gale my goats

[tawny imp]

raki is my goat i love my crits

[rain wagon]

Raki and Gale are indeed the goats at 62

[glass bone]

Toula is also good

[rain wagon]

Toula is....

[flint widget]

toula is the goat for circe staff

[rain wagon]

If only Toula started each room attacking

And didn't spawn in 3 seconds late

[glass bone]

The thing is, Toula is much better for UW 62, and also was much better when you couldn’t just roll into Gigaros Dash C1

[flint widget]

hecuba is like the eh familiar tbh

[tawny imp]

to be fair this is literally how cats just are

[flint widget]

all the dog does is give more magick which is kinda eh

[rain wagon]

I only really take Toula when I'm playing aspects that are horrendously bad in early region 1 (non-Morrigan blades)

[flint widget]

she stuns occasionally but it's useless most of the time cuz she doesn't stun the hard hitting enemies

[rain wagon]

Hecate is perfectly fine, that 60 magicka is a godsendt for some aspects/builds.

On top of the 100 refill each fight

[flint widget]

looking at you shiva and hel

[rain wagon]

Even Moros and Supay might prefer Hecuba

[flint widget]

supay doesn't need hecuba

but yeah moros 100%

[rain wagon]

She's really nice when you're not pushing the top fears, lets you spam those Ω moves

[flint widget]

also hecate huh

[tawny imp]

wait ares actually goes kinda hard when you have revenant 2 on

[rain wagon]

Ops, I missed one, I actually wrote Hecate in almost every other comment as well, then fixed it before posting 😛

[tawny imp]

buy hermes boon from shop
pick quick buck

[opal pecan]

It's refund time!

[flint widget]

ok my main goal now is to beat 62 circe staff with strength and antler in final region

and raki on

aka 62 fear speedrun

[tawny imp]

pos special ares attack moros good or nah

oh i took the 120 second chaos boon and next encounter is scylla

[glass bone]

Do you have Armor?

[flint widget]

armor up

[flint widget]

almost did it a few days ago but fumbled during p3

[tawny imp]

no armor

[flint widget]

ok well get ready to tank that 500 dmg

[austere trail]

is it rivals scylla? you can do it in time otherwise

[flint widget]

if ur running death ofc

[austere trail]

I remember having that curse and beating scylla (with strength)

[tawny imp]

strength

i died anyways because i never saw a gain boon

[flint widget]

oh well rip

[tawny imp]

does extra dose work on dash attacks

[hollow briar]

Don’t think so, no

Afaik it’s just regular Attack (I’ve been wrong before tho, once or twice)

[dreamy veldt]

I don't even need it to start attacking just be there frame 0 so I can make it attack

They should let you dodge the 120 sec chaos curse

Also in vor Eris when she does the quirky angles, does she do it a set direction each time or is it just towards you

[silent crow]

wdym quirky angles

[dreamy veldt]

Laser pew pew

And she does like a 45° rotation

[silent crow]

oh i think its random

[dreamy veldt]

Of course it is

I should expect nothing less from Strifey Wifey

I used to dislike her but now she's one of my favorite characters

[silent crow]

just. go behind her or iframe it same as always 💔💔

[opal pecan]

Unless she has her back to the wall

[rustic egret]

yall ive been resetting for an hour straight for an apollo/ares/zeus start on surface

tell me that god combination is possible

tell me I havent been banging my head into a wall for nothing

[edgy nacelle]

I mean yeah it’s definitely possible
jpom start? or god keepsake

[rustic egret]

jpom

I want to see all three of those gods in Ephyra

if I don't, reset

[silent crow]

i feel like that is very ambitious

[edgy nacelle]

personally if I’m aiming for a specific duo like heinous or ripple effect I use rerolls for my own sanity.
I have lucked into heinous with jpom before, but it takes a lotttt more resets, so good luck

[rustic egret]

it feels like maybe this sort of thing should not take nearly as long as it is

The odds work out to 1/21

[edgy nacelle]

getting a specific combo of 3 gods out of 9 options is like. what, a 1.2% chance or something, 1 in 84?
I’m not a math person so I’m just believing a random online combination probability calculator but

[rustic egret]

I've been resetting for longer than that

[rustic egret]

doesn't hades games work on a 4 god system?

so like isnt it "pick 4, what are the chances you get these specific three:

[edgy nacelle]

eh regardless, it’s not an amazingly high chance

[silent crow]

no it picks from 9 until you have selected 4 gods' boons

[edgy nacelle]

1/21 also doesn’t mean it’s guaranteed you’ll get it after 21 resets, there’s no pity system or anything so that’s still just a little under a 5% chance each time

[silent crow]

anyway i dont think intentionally ditching rerolls and then complaining abt rng is particularly smart

heinous affront doesnt even benefit from jpom that much bc divine vengeance poms are literally useless

[edgy nacelle]

yeah, the point of fate’s whim runs is generally that you don’t have control over what you’re offered. at most I might aim for a specific hades boon + 1 god in ephyra, maaaybe 2

[silent crow]

i roll until selene isnt room 1

[edgy nacelle]

also you could get all 3 gods you want and never get the duo all run lmao, since that’s also never guaranteed it’s just a roll each time

if you’re determined to jpom, maybe just wait until apollo + zeus or ares is in ephyra, since the only part of the duo which super cares about pom levels is light smite. then just break fate’s whim region 2 to guarantee the third god

[stable herald]

My dream RNG is getting Ares, Demeter, Poseidon, and Apollo in one run and getting all the omega cast boons

Including Winner's Circle and the Artemis one that shoots arrows in your OCast

[silent crow]

easy shot best boon

[rustic egret]

hence why Im resetting early until I get it

Ive even been on non Jpom runs where heinous just refuses to show up until stage 4

so if I can at least get the pieces for it early i increase my odds of it showing up for longer so I can actually use it

[edgy nacelle]

why jpom in this case tho? cause it’s easier to get the pieces early with rerolls, and ares wound boons + divine vengeance don’t really benefit from jpom all that much comparatively

[rustic egret]

because jpom is fun and i dont like playing the god keepsakes

[edgy nacelle]

well, good luck.
just seems like the god keepsakes are a pretty direct solution to the problem of “I’m not getting the god I want”

[rustic egret]

god forbid I have a preference? look, im just trying to do a medea skull heinous build after losing with hel too many times for me to warrant wanting to play it again

[harsh prism]

I don't know if I'm going to be able to stop Fates Whimming. But I kind of dislike rerolls in rogues

[opal pecan]

Why stop :P

[harsh prism]

It feels like their intention is to cycle through all 3? Since you keep the buff

[rustic egret]

this

legit only fun way to play for me

[edgy nacelle]

I do genuinely mean good luck, I get having a preference!
it can just take a while to get the rng you want when opting out of the tools the game gives you to manipulate rng. I’ve spent too long trying to jpom my way into a specific duo to ever want to do that again myself 😅 but if you have the patience for it then ofc go for it

personally I kinda like that fate’s whim makes me not able to plan for something specific tho, part of the fun for me is making a build work even if I wouldn’t normally aim for it

[vivid cedar]

What exactly makes Blitz good? I keep seeing people say it's one of the strongest effects in the game but it seems kind of underwhelming to me?

[edgy nacelle]

it does high damage (esp with poms and rarity), benefits from universal damage%, and can be doubled by double strike.
how fast it deals damage is based on how fast you can deal 120 damage via other sources, which means it goes crazy once other parts of your build fall into place

blitz is also often gonna do more than 120 damage, so if you’re constantly applying blitz and dealing 120 damage per second you’re kinda just… more than doubling your dps

[vivid cedar]

Ahh. I did not know it benefited by double strike. I also thought it was on a timer because for some reason it seems like a lot of youtubers describe it like a delayed bit of damage, like Ares in Hades 1.

That does seem pretty solid, especially if blitz-inflicting-attacks can themselves trigger blitz

[edgy nacelle]

oh yeah, the timer only kicks in if you FAIL to do 120 damage to that enemy before the time limit, at which point it procs on its own

but you trigger it early as soon as the enemy takes 120 damage, so it’s a lot better than doom since it scales with your other DPS

[vivid cedar]

Due to how it works, it basically works with just about any weapon type, correct? slow-but-heavy triggers it quickly, but quick-and-lower-damage can still trigger it regularly?

[rustic egret]

exactly

[edgy nacelle]

yup! you can also trigger it with stuff like cast damage and scorch, so regardless of weapon type it just kinda works

[rustic egret]

blitz just kind of... works

[jolly aurora]

Yeah I have beat typhon in less than a minute using black coat launcher frame combined with poseidon attack and slippery slope and zeus special

[rustic egret]

also doesnt hurt that like, all the duo boons affecting blitz are actually insane

[opal pecan]

Thermal Dynamics my love

Although I guess that's more of a scorch

[rustic egret]

zeus hestia? insane. zeus poseidon? insane. zeus hera? insane.

[vivid cedar]

Zeus Hera is imo the funniest and most lore-accurate duo boon(s) between both Hades 1 and Hades 2

[edgy nacelle]

the only weapon I can think of where blitz is only okay is like… aspect of charon? and it’s still fine on charon special if you get it, it’s just not like… “arguably the best in slot boon,” which it is on a lot of weapons

[vivid cedar]

As well as being genuinely fun as a duo boon concept

I love the aspect of Charon, but I'm curious what special(s) and casts are the best to prioritize for it?

Hestia seems kind of blegh for both since it's a slower attack

[edgy nacelle]

damage% special is ideal, apollo is nice for room clear and opening up apollo legendary (you can drop extra casts while your omega special is repeating)

[tawny imp]

selene try not to show up in room 1 of supay run challenge

[edgy nacelle]

apollo and poseidon casts are also good, along with anything that does a single hit of damage. geyser spout from poseidon is huge as a tier 2 cast boon, and in general any tier 2 cast boons are nice (local climate, arctic gale, prominence flare etc etc)

[rustic egret]

Just about any cast works? like you said hestia is bleh but burst casts (poseidon, heph, ares, apollo) generally work well

[edgy nacelle]

you can do arctic ring for safety but lower dps if you want tbh, and anvil ring is unique among damage over time casts because it won’t disappear when your cast detonates, and will always do 3 hits

[jolly aurora]

I honestly think my two most broken builds ever has been a torch build and a black coat build

[vivid cedar]

Aphrodite cast is pretty meh as well since that's one of her few attacks that aren't a super high percentage damage. I feel like I may lean more towards Apollo because supernova is really fun, or Poseidon because you will already be fishing for him to begin with

[edgy nacelle]

yeah, aphro cast I wouldn’t super recommend. a couple seconds of weak isn’t rly worth the lower damage, whereas I’d say freeze arguably is if you want defense
but apollo, poseidon, and heph are by far the best imo

hera also okay for orig and decent aoe damage, + access to rousing reception and born gain if you don’t get lucid

[vivid cedar]

Speaking of Heph, is it a hot take to not think he's that strong? I wouldn't call him bad but it seems hard to actually get him to reach his real potential. Ding ding sounds good on paper but you need to get so many poms.

[jolly aurora]

Im curious what is the fastest time you have killed typhon

[vivid cedar]

His core boons are solid but I find his actual move-related boons underwhelming

[rustic egret]

hes cracked defensively but offensively he does leave a bit to be desired

[tawny imp]

heph dash any good on supay?

[rustic egret]

im still of the opinion that ding ring should count as anvil blasts OR autoapply glow

[vivid cedar]

Hecuba + magick-to-health-bonus my beloved

[jolly aurora]

Say that to my 70k+ dpm build

[edgy nacelle]

heph defense is amazing
offense can be op but takes a lot of investment and duos to get there 🤷 and anvil ring is surprisingly strong if you don’t need orig from cast

[jolly aurora]

Like you get pretty close to i think 50k dpm before damage buffs

[edgy nacelle]

also I’d have to look this up and am not home rn, but I can @ you later…? fairly fast, white antler + success rate fine lines spam iirc tore through each phase in <5 seconds when I had that on moros

[rain hazel]

Is Poseidon attack good on Nergal? Was thinking it needs a percent increase due to hits high damage.

[jolly aurora]

Nice I think my record is like less than 40 seconds

[vivid cedar]

Speaking of origination, I absolutely adore Aphrodite's legendary. Might be a hot take but she's imo the strongest overall god for boons, as her core boons are really good and her other abilities are pretty solid on most weapons. I also like her magick regen and her legendary is literally the free-est orig. (I am bias because I like the axe)

[surreal hazel]

You think correctly

[surreal hazel]

Ehhhhhhhhh. Hera would strongly disagree

[hollow stag]

For Mel Coat,

How is Aphro Attack and Poseidon Special?

Is there a better build?

[jolly aurora]

I like to go zeus special but poseidon I find kinda sucks for slow attack speed weapons

[tawny imp]

i dont really get what aspects to use with heph tbh

[opal pecan]

TBH that one "hit them before they attack" Poseidon boon is pretty good defensively. That should count as a sort of... pre-venge boon.

[vivid cedar]

Hera is my second strongest because hitch is kind of busted for room-clear. My last run I ended up getting a +8 on her one boon that made Hitch do more damage and last longer without her duo boon with Zeus and I was near instantly clearing rooms in Tartarus.

[jolly aurora]

Poseidon attack with slippery slope and zeus special if you want to shred

[surreal hazel]

Novastrike is particularly good on coat for big size increases

Unusually big, in fact

[jolly aurora]

Yeah ive done a lot of black coat attempts and I find that poseidon attack with froth is what gives me the best time to kill

Especially when you have a good zeus special

[surreal hazel]

It's good

Shimmering rockets with sworn flourish is incomparably good

[jolly aurora]

Im talking about 30 to 40 seconds to kill typhon

This build is also mostly for single target dmg

[surreal hazel]

Exhaust riser?

[jolly aurora]

If I remember I didnt have exhaust riser

[surreal hazel]

Alas, very strong choice with wave strike

Rapid frame also good

[edgy nacelle]

oh lol. I JUST noticed your name is hermetic lock and not “hermetic jock”
I think your profile pic having abs was making my brain autocorrect your username 💀

[jolly aurora]

I think that was the one I had

[jolly aurora]

Wiw

[opal pecan]

sfghdfghghf the secret of the jock

[jolly aurora]

Wtf

[surreal hazel]

Nova strike and reaper frame though: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218621088049659930/1413988070784761967/200A0F1.JPG?ex=690fab82&is=690e5a02&hm=d3d7431499b73c7c6ca595eba5e9c2d96bad4818268344985e70042b196e5b97&

[jolly aurora]

God dam
Insert that one meme

[jolly aurora]

The reason I dont like that strat is because it feels slow to charge the omega

[surreal hazel]

Go big or go bigger

[surreal hazel]

Never mind that, just punch everyone with regular attacks

Punch enemies in the next room

[jolly aurora]

Yeah thats why I like poseidon attack with the slippery slope

[surreal hazel]

Get seige frame and punch typhon from the rift

[surreal hazel]

I meant with nova strike, the range is stupid big

Shiva prefers it, mind you

[jolly aurora]

Especially if you get launcher frame because then its a three button build

[surreal hazel]

Exhaust riser and launch frame is fun

Dash strike into fireworks, especially with success rate

[jolly aurora]

That might be why because im a mostly normal black coat user

[jolly aurora]

Yeah like slippery slope succes rate with a 130% froth damage is fun as hell

[surreal hazel]

Shiva's attack combo is better than non shiva's but its dash strike is meh

Even for wave strike. The third attack hits twice

Two waves

[opal pecan]

Exhaust Riser is, like, my favorite hammer in the game. There are other hammers that might be more "necessary" but they don't feel as purely Fun

[digital juniper]

true exhaust riser plays biiiig into that fun factor

[surreal hazel]

Also hits way harder

[jolly aurora]

Reletable

[digital juniper]

and on non-shiva coats it’s genuinely very good

[surreal hazel]

It doesn't exist on shiva

If it did it would be S+++ tier

But no, we get mooncrest riser

[digital juniper]

oh yeah i forgot

[jolly aurora]

Honestly froth with blitz on launcher frame black coat goes brrr

[digital juniper]

i just have the mentality of hurr durr shiva dash strike bad

[surreal hazel]

If it had 4 hits instead of 1 it would be busted good

45 base power x4 lol

[flint widget]

and if the dash strike hit immediately instead of it being delayed by like 0.5 seconds

[surreal hazel]

Mooncrest is +40% additive power and +20% radius.

[jolly aurora]

Should I tell you about the black coat immortality build

[surreal hazel]

On the subject of hammers, I found my favourite rank 2 hammer: explosive ambush

Goes from +400% damage to +600%

[jolly aurora]

Nice

[flint widget]

isn't it sweeping ambush or what

[surreal hazel]

Sweeping, yes

[tawny imp]

supay room 1 underground epic zeus attack or zeus common dash

[surreal hazel]

Thinking of the old name

[surreal hazel]

Attack, no question

[flint widget]

it's just zeus attack 100%

thunder rush is kinda ass tbh

[surreal hazel]

Supay has such low damage on its attack that blitz is an incredible choice

[jolly aurora]

Have you tried the hades 1 thunder dash?

[flint widget]

id rather get breaker or heat rush tbh

[flint widget]

yep but its been a long while since i played h1

so i forgor

[jolly aurora]

Its honestly so bad its on my blacklist

[surreal hazel]

Lighyning reflexes also exists

[rain hazel]

I can not get nergal figured out...there never seems like theres an opening to attack during bosses

[surreal hazel]

Spin to win

[flint widget]

do u have psychic whirlwind

[jolly aurora]

That one i like more because I can still have a diffrent dash boon

[surreal hazel]

Omega attack is your friend

[surreal hazel]

Precisely

[flint widget]

honestly supay doesn't need a rush boon tbh, all u need is blitz and scorch and that's it

[jolly aurora]

Honestly I enjoy sea storm spear with artemis dash in the first game

[surreal hazel]

Tried nexus rush?

[flint widget]

yep

but it ain't necessary

[jolly aurora]

Was how i beat 32 heat hades no hit (im talking room one to hades fight

[flint widget]

like nexus rush is nice but id rather have other rush boons tbh

[surreal hazel]

Do you? I find everything just dies with it

[digital juniper]

nexus rush is genuinely insane damage in erebus, especially with jpom

but good god is it bad for bossing

[flint widget]

yes and that's exactly the reason why i want other rush boons

looking at you breaker rush my supay goat

[tawny imp]

ok so turns out im really bad at supay or something

[flint widget]

carried me during my 62 run with supay

[tawny imp]

because i cannot proc blitz since everythings damage is so low

[jolly aurora]

Breaker Rush is just the asgore car meme tho

[flint widget]

the hell is the asgore car meme

[surreal hazel]

Supay can take a bit to get off the ground, as it were

[tawny imp]

THERES A PLANT EVERY SEED FUNCTION?

[jolly aurora]

Dont you know the meme if him running over dess

[flint widget]

nah

[tawny imp]

wait does gigaros dash get buffed by supay

[flint widget]

nah

[tawny imp]

damn

what about smithy

[flint widget]

but its still the goat tho

i think so it's been a while since i played smithy supay

plus its a rush boon

[surreal hazel]

Yes, smithy does

[jolly aurora]

Yes especially when you accedentely make it so almost a thousand dmg on contact

[surreal hazel]

Can be a bit squirrelly

[flint widget]

plus like breaker rush dmg triggers blitz immediately

talking about the 120 dmg needed to proc blitz

[jolly aurora]

Honestly my favorit build to date is my pre nerf hephaestus touch build

[flint widget]

elaborate

[jolly aurora]

A one second cooldown chain reaction build capable of 48k dpm before dmg buffs

[flint widget]

oh right

heph blasts build basically

[surreal hazel]

Grand caldera is a must

If you're rolling stamp rush

[flint widget]

for me personally my favorite build is just circe staff storm ring and ideally, kings ransom

[jolly aurora]

Combined with glow grand caldera and uncommon grace and tall order and almost all universal dmg buffs i managed to get up to like 100k dpm

[tawny imp]

this is so scuffed

poseidon attack heph special no rush supay

[surreal hazel]

You really liked lightbing rod from h1

[flint widget]

it ain't the highest dmg dealing one but it's a favorite of mine

the hell is a lightning rod from h1

[tawny imp]

nvm i got breaker rush the run is back

[surreal hazel]

Artemis zeus duo

[flint widget]

oh i don't remember getting that

[surreal hazel]

Lightning strikes enemies around dropped bloodstones

[tawny imp]

holy hell

[flint widget]

i only played h1 for like 20 hrs, rolled credits and dipped

[tawny imp]

i see the game yall are playing lmao

[surreal hazel]

There we go

Supay now lives

[flint widget]

supay when u get a good rush boon is just vampire survivors the aspect

[jolly aurora]

Relateble exept ive sunk like 5k hours into the game and is now completely burnt out from playing it again within the next decade

[tawny imp]

that was i think m,y fastest hectate kill not counting morrigan

[jolly aurora]

Btw where you intrested in the immortal black coat build or what

[tawny imp]

ok wait level 4 heroic tough gain gives -7 do i take it

im not using any omegas

[jolly aurora]

Honestly depends on how much dmg multipliers your oath of the udseen is set to

[tawny imp]

0 lol

[surreal hazel]

Not really

[jolly aurora]

Ok

[surreal hazel]

Yes lol

You can't normally pom tough gain

But when you can. Lol, do it

[tawny imp]

tough gain cant reduce something to 0 sad

[surreal hazel]

No. But 1 damage is free

[digital juniper]

it’s still funny

[flint widget]

that would make it op

[jolly aurora]

So sad but do try to pair with frosty veneer

[tawny imp]

20 magick

[jolly aurora]

Question what would you say is the best mana regain boon

[surreal hazel]

I made a flowchart at one point as a semi joke

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1219645494402482226/1409828944743501824/image.png?ex=690fb345&is=690e61c5&hm=5ed01891d2ad0ad6b83077185186b84fcd1f506ebdf2dbd1956af5461d36a0e6&

[tawny imp]

pos legendaty works on dash right

[surreal hazel]

This was before 1.0

[surreal hazel]

No. Not a splash

[tawny imp]

i feel lucid valid on circe tbh

oh i guess thats winner circle though

[hollow stag]

How is Medea's Curse (50 damage) on Mel's Black Coat?

[surreal hazel]

Meh universally

[hollow stag]

Would 20 gold be better?

[tawny imp]

doing a weird thing and taking phial

[surreal hazel]

Probably yes

[stoic shuttle]

wait, if im using the coat with the hammer that ocasionally launches specials when using attacks, does hephestus blasts apply to such specials?

[jolly aurora]

So what is like the most consistent mana boon

[surreal hazel]

It's a special rocket as if you pressed special

[stoic shuttle]

huuuuge omg

this is funny af

[surreal hazel]

Probably cardio

[jolly aurora]

Do recomend using blitz for special when using that hammer