h2-builds-and-combat

[opal pecan]

Well either way hope folks have fun, playing or watching or whatnot

[dreamy veldt]

Win only using one button

(it's supay with Toula)

[odd bolt]

#SupaySweep

[dreamy veldt]

I'm so glad that I'm done with grinding fear

[lost merlin]

hey supay isn't a one button build

between wasd, sprint, and cast, that's at least SIX buttons

[past salmon]

I'm sorry I haven't seen a 67 win from you smh

[dreamy veldt]

I will spend the rest of my days doing 12 fear or less runs as god intended

[dreamy veldt]

Dang u right

[rare ermine]

It but the skelly statue unlocks at 32f

You have to get the statue! Cant let schellemeus down right?

[wise swallow]

I am shivaing it

[opal pecan]

I got the dang statue and immediately took off all vows except Time 3 Frenzy 1

[viral yew]

Based asf

[wise swallow]

SHEEVING it

[viral yew]

Same, i'm doing 50f runs

[wise swallow]

Most ive done is like 32-40?

cba to go higher

[past salmon]

Ah but consider how much fun 67 is once the Stockholm syndrome kicks in

[opal pecan]

That seems like a Foolish proposition

[viral yew]

It's such a pain in the ass but i'm vibing

[wise swallow]

I cant win :sob;

[odd bolt]

If I manage to someday do 62 fear I'll be happy

[dreamy veldt]

I did yesterday

[dreamy veldt]

https://imgur.com/a/o19UfIg

[lost merlin]

highest i've done is 32 but i made it a punishment for myself because i lost the easiest charon run ever the previous run (king vermin died in 2 omega spec) so i turned on some way more annoying stuff than you should

idr all of it but max grit and hordes were definitely on

[dreamy veldt]

It could very well be just me but the difference between frenzy 1 and frenzy 2 seems like a universe apart

[viral yew]

Peak 32 gaming

[tawny imp]

Chaos??

[lost merlin]

it kind of is 20% is a big number

[odd bolt]

Frenzy in this game feels like way worse compared to hades 1 and idk why exactly

[signal coral]

fun fact frenzy is multiplicative

[dreamy veldt]

I think that + hordes

Is what really made me wanna delete the game

[tawny imp]

i think its because this game has way more enemeis designed with having slower attacks in mind

[lost merlin]

i've had frenzy 2 on for so long that whenever i play 0 fear in a chaos trial i just laugh at how slow everything is

[dreamy veldt]

I can handle a lot of enemies, I can handle fast enemies, I cannot handle a lot of fast enemies

[viral yew]

I tried a fresh file speedrun and hecate is geriatric in comparison

[meager wadi]

so how much is 12 power for aspect of mel? is that just literally 12 flat dmg

[dreamy veldt]

But now I'm just spamming 0 fear runs and it's so relaxing

[odd bolt]

Idk i think even if I play a thousand runs I'll still hate rivals scylla with frenzy 2 with all my heart

[lost merlin]

i actually died to her on my first 1.0 run because my bindings got reset and i thought it was an issue with my mouse until i realized (too late) at hecate

[viral yew]

I get hit too much when i'm not on frenzy

[lost merlin]

lmao

[opal pecan]

What weapon are you talking about? Every weapon has a Mel aspect

[dreamy veldt]

Skull

[lost merlin]

power = base damage it will get buffed by %

[tawny imp]

power is very strong

[opal pecan]

Mel skull isn't +12 power, it's +12 power per fired skull

So it's not one flat bonus

[wise swallow]

and power is what gets multiplied by multiplier boons

so the final skull like a truck

[junior trail]

mel skull is pretty strong

[opal pecan]

And if you get the extra skulls hammer, well....

[meager wadi]

oh ya oops

[lost merlin]

ideally you get aphro attack and do the big funny

as the kids these days say

[meager wadi]

should i be using Oattack on my last skull or somethin

[opal pecan]

Don't need to, that's kinda slow

[meager wadi]

also would wide grin completely negate the benefits of mel skull

[opal pecan]

Yes

[lost merlin]

pretty much

[odd bolt]

wide grin and apollo legendary >>

[edgy nacelle]

idt it matters, also?
the difference between attack and Ω attack is a difference in base power, not a boost to dmg%
so +12 base power won't be any more impactful on an omega attack than a normal attack unless you have like... weed killer ig

[edgy nacelle]

wide grin tragically turns of Mel skull's bonus entirely </3

[lost merlin]

apollo legendary when the challenge is to show up when you actually want it

[junior trail]

i like hera and apol attack
ares also fun cuz plasma attack spam pew pew

[odd bolt]

well, we learn something new every day

[lost merlin]

poor wide grin

[odd bolt]

so wide grin messes up mel and medea. Cool

[meager wadi]

i feel like persephone is just a better version of mel skull, surely the boon lvl ups make up for the power per skull

[junior trail]

ngl i like wide grin and fetching combo

[lost merlin]

and it's not on hel :)

[odd bolt]

Cool...

[lost merlin]

yeah!

[edgy nacelle]

only persephone is allowed to smile with teeth. everyone else small grins only

[opal pecan]

The boon level ups are RNG tbf

[meager wadi]

ya im just assuming on average itd come out to be better

[odd bolt]

Icarus really trolled up with that hammer huh

[meager wadi]

in my experience at least

[lost merlin]

okay tbf, medea doesn't have a visible face to grin with

it's lore accurate that it sucks

[odd bolt]

I still like to do oAttack with Apollo legendary assuming it shows up

I just love apollo legendary honestly

[edgy nacelle]

I was imagining the real people and went "excuse me wym medea has no face-"
but also even in that context medea would not smile that genuinely

[wise swallow]

THANK YOU HERA FOR THE LEVEL 6 HEROIC ZEUS SPECIAL ON SHIVA

[rare ermine]

Oh btw Meowkin, I’ve started taking experi hammer in uw region3.
I’ve never thought of using it since i dont like expiring keepsakes but you were so right in hammer lasting the rest of the run

[wise swallow]

What happened

[edgy nacelle]

it's so fun I love that keepsake so much... glad you're enjoying it :D

[lost merlin]

well in that case, medea doesn't have a visible grin to face with

[wise swallow]

Genuinely who thought of Travel Deal? I want to hug this dev

[tawny imp]

what does travel deal do again

[wise swallow]

whoever thought up that boon is the real SGG mvp

[opal pecan]

Discount + an extra shop option (after you buy the discounted thing)

[tawny imp]

oh huh is it strong

5% didnt seem like much

[odd bolt]

It's alright

[edgy nacelle]

very minor discount for your first purchase in each shop + hermes shrine + charon well
but more importantly, replaces it with another item of the same (or a similar) kind
so with enough gold you just get x2 boons from shops the whole run

[odd bolt]

The percentage depends on the rarity

[opal pecan]

If it's higher rarity it's higher discount, but also, if you have the $$$ from chrolex or whatever, yeah, it's just More Resources

[odd bolt]

Chrolex is insane I'll call it that forever thank you

[opal pecan]

I didn't come up with it!

[lost merlin]

i think boat3d said it in a run and everyone started calling it that because it's funny

[wise swallow]

youre essentially getting to buy 2x the boons per shop

[edgy nacelle]

I love calling it chrolex lol
I stole it from boated, idk where he heard it

[opal pecan]

I gotta say though final boss shop 450s are such a gamble

[edgy nacelle]

but yeah, +1 boon per shop you visit and potentially +1 mystery boon per hermes shrine goes VERY hard

[lost merlin]

boat3d is also one of the biggest poster childs for crolex given that it was instrumental in 67 fear

[tawny imp]

i love how the fates whim keepsakes just feel like new game + buff in a way

[odd bolt]

unless you're not using chrolex and activated debt

[tawny imp]

they're so good theyre the reward for beating the game

[wise swallow]

theyre good because theyre op and Very fun

[edgy nacelle]

yes lol
and to be fair at high fear I haven't been taking travel deal suuuper much, for my 62 attempts I tend to grab like. idk, quick buck, success rate, even hard target sometimes, just other decent hermes boons

[lost merlin]

the only sad thing about crolex is that charon keepsake has even less reason to exist noow

[odd bolt]

it's a fun way to play, every new run I have to think "will I go fates whim?"

[opal pecan]

Poseidon voice: "Oh You're about to fight a big final boss? Here!" [Buried Treasure, Sea Star, sacrifice boon that would replace a core component of your build]

thanks i guess

[lost merlin]

classic

sea star goes hard on chronos trust

[odd bolt]

I just love how everything is viable in this game

[lost merlin]

i wouldn't go that far but i'd say this is roughly 10x better than the first game in terms of overall balance

i think the only real problem god rn is ares

[signal coral]

i do think hades 2 is overall a better game
but i also think hades 1 bow is the best weapon across both games

[odd bolt]

yeah but like just being able to choose between playing all random or not and both are viable options

[lost merlin]

which i cannot say about hades 1 lol

[odd bolt]

Or playing with dd or without, both also viable in their own way

[junior trail]

hera & rama bow >>> and not even close

[edgy nacelle]

I love this take thank you
I miss bow so much

[rare ermine]

A true fates whimmer does not think, they whim on pure instinct

[lost merlin]

someone here asked me earlier why i had demeter special on hel

[signal coral]

its mostly that bow is the perfect weapon in that all aspects are strong and interesting while also playing completely differently from each other

[lost merlin]

a true whimmer knows that a % is a %

[edgy nacelle]

I also just like how SGG does bows
loved it in bastion, loved it even more in h1

[odd bolt]

I'm whimming more often honestly

[lost merlin]

yk what weapon i kinda miss even though it wasn't very good

[odd bolt]

dad pom is just insane

[lost merlin]

do you guys remember the machine gun from bastion

[wise swallow]

me getting world collider with shiva gauntletss and accidently picking elephant rockets

[edgy nacelle]

the fang(ed) repeater? aka rail kind of?

[lost merlin]

indeed

idk why but i basically used that thing until i activated enough difficulty mods to really feel just how not very good it is

[past salmon]

If Persephone wasn't sometimes being used as a weird Mel skull this would be true for Skulls 😔

[signal coral]

"sometimes"

[lost merlin]

i would agree on this particularly because most zag aspects are a little ehhhhhhhh

[edgy nacelle]

ngl I didn't use that thing even once after bow entered my hands but I respect it, it was a neat weapon
I just used bow + whatever. bow + pike mostly, also bow + bellows, bow + hammer, bow + uhhhh was it a mortar launcher?
often 2 ranged no melee but who cares, bow is fun

[past salmon]

o Special Persephone is extremely good too and better in a lot of circumstances don't sleep on it

[lost merlin]

galleon mortar yeah

mortar was absolutely the best ranged after a certain point in difficulty

[junior trail]

mom car is fire with hera special

[past salmon]

Tbh it's probs good to just change on Persephone runs depending on hammer
If you get twisting crash you should be car gaming

[lost merlin]

so i remember its actual name

[signal coral]

i wish persephone still buffed olympian damage

[past salmon]

It never did

[edgy nacelle]

I loved that thing
also loved summoning friendly turrets with it lol, no idea how good they were, I played that game when I was fairly young and just went off of vibes

[signal coral]

did it not?

[past salmon]

??
You mean omega damage?

[junior trail]

you mean o.move?

[signal coral]

oh, ok i misremembered

[edgy nacelle]

idt it did? it was like. omega damage% and cast based or something

[signal coral]

i remember doing funny omega cast builds with it and that being not good but interesting

[junior trail]

it was pretty good with the old geyser

[lost merlin]

i think most things are viable in bastion until you push high diff and it starts falling apart

kinda like the hades 1 experience

[tawny imp]

kinda like the hades 2 experience

[lost merlin]

i'd say hades 2 is the most successful they've ever been on that front tbh lol

[edgy nacelle]

kinda like the human experince 😔 🙏

[tawny imp]

heat/fear is the ideal difficulty setting in a game tbh

[lost merlin]

i don't expect 67 for all weapons anytime soon because 67 just seems ludicrously unfun

[tawny imp]

you can make the game harder in any way you want and any reward given is locked behind a reasonably challenging level but you can also just make it near impossible if you want

[past salmon]

No it's fun I swear

You should play it

[tawny imp]

surely its more fun than 64 heat at least

[past salmon]

That's a very low bar

[lost merlin]

yes but 64 heat was basically unplayable lol

[broken spoke]

Well... At least you still have 3 choice i guess?

[lost merlin]

the bar is on the floor, there is no room to limbo hades 2 just stepped over it

[tawny imp]

64 heat runners when they die in tartarus and have to reset for the 0.6% chance to get the 1 boon they need again

[lost merlin]

hades 1 also had an issue where most boons were like REALLY BAD

compounded with the less choice thing

[broken spoke]

It is like ages ago i played hades 1 idr about that lol

I only remember athena i take dash and ignore all other her boon

[tawny imp]

divine dash overrated tidal dash was where it really was at

[lost merlin]

it's been a while but several gods had damage reduction boons as i recall

and not very good dr either

[tawny imp]

overall everything including the enemies have gotten stronger in Hades 2

i feel

[lost merlin]

basically run losing if those eat up your slots on 64

there was also the issue of most cores just not really helping

[merry prawn]

athena's bronze skin is the only one i remember?

[wise swallow]

OK maybe the experimental hammer IS fun... saved my OAttack

[lost merlin]

several may have been an exaggeration, but im p sure aphro had one seperate from weak right

maybe i'm hallucinating

[merry prawn]

there was a boon which just increased the weak damage reduction

[lost merlin]

ah yeah that still exists and i still never take it lol

the numbers are better enough that it's not totally useless ig

[broken spoke]

Aphro usually has other better choice for me when that show up

[opal pecan]

Yeah, she has a lot of much more appetizing utilities

[lost merlin]

the big problem is that it competes with sweet surrender which is like
yea i'm taking sweet surrender

[opal pecan]

I will say it's a bit embarrassing that Heph's entire unique curse appears to be replicable by combining two of Aphrodite's

Unless I've misunderstood something

[lost merlin]

they are a couple yk

[opal pecan]

LOL, it's true

"Ehhh I'll have whatever she's having" energy

[broken spoke]

Glow up is cool but I can't rely that for curse lol

[lost merlin]

counter point: cling clang sound effect

it's actually the best way to proc orig as a result

[broken spoke]

I want to take bigger number cling clang too

[opal pecan]

What I want is smaller number cling clang (the recharge time :P)

[broken spoke]

When fate love me and give all cling clang boon

And 2s cooldown

[wise swallow]

getting kings ransom and exceptional talent right before typhon

with max grit

[lost merlin]

the real reason why fate's whim is so good is because it makes heph way more enticing

[wise swallow]

This is probably one of my favorite aspects in the game

[wise swallow]

Hephaestus has always enticed me

[merry prawn]

man, is it just me or is arc flash really good

[opal pecan]

It's very good on any aspect that uses omega moves

[wise swallow]

Yeah

[lost merlin]

and he can entice even more

[wise swallow]

like this elephant rocket shiva build with a level 16 zeus special WITH exceptional talent

[lost merlin]

anything that improves blitz is usually quite good because blitz is one of the status effects in the game for sure

[wise swallow]

Also whoever thought to buff Nexus Rush, HOLY damage

[junior trail]

Arc flash shines best with torches o.special but yeah it totally does wonder with blitz

[meager wadi]

do yall play with the aim assist on mnk?

[opal pecan]

I think I do but I'm not sure, I remember toggling it (or something else on the same menu page) by accident and not being able to remember what the original configuration was lmao

[meager wadi]

yeah mine was on rn but im pretty sure i disabled that before not sure

[leaden cradle]

Why do people like Zeus boons?

[broken spoke]

It just work

[opal pecan]

The curse they apply, Blitz, creates a snowball effect of damage

[broken spoke]

On everything

[edgy nacelle]

blitz is op, static shock is very good and just gets better at high fear since it deletes wards

[signal coral]

because all of zeus boons do damage, and lots of it

and it turns out that dealing a lot of damage is the easiest way to win

[edgy nacelle]

also storm ring circe is great 🤷
idk, he has few if any meh boons. I rarely take his sprint and gain I guess

[leaden cradle]

Can someone suggest a good build for me to try with zeus

[meager wadi]

how does mel skull with blitz on atk feel

[junior trail]

the bad side is zeus has 0 defensive boons lol

[signal coral]

death is the best form of crowd control

[edgy nacelle]

what weapons/aspects do you like? chances are some of them have good zeus builds

[signal coral]

if the enemy is dead it cannot attack you

[signal coral]

his gain is okay, sprint is okay

only bad boon i can think of is power surge

[leaden cradle]

Momus staff
Charon axe

[junior trail]

nah its straight fire with torches attack spam and mirrored

[signal coral]

i hate lightning lance too but thats just a playstyle issue

[edgy nacelle]

power surge is very niche but has like.... a couple use cases I guess
his sprint and gain are fine just underwhelming compared to the rest of his kit lol, and I dislike his gain personally

[broken spoke]

Lightning lance is great, i like it

[leaden cradle]

I'm kinda new to learning all the combat and builds techniques

[edgy nacelle]

ah, charon is impressively one of the only weapons which doesn't super like zeus lol
should work fine on momus tho, just pop blitz on attack or special and grab chain lighting (static shock)

[signal coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1051942150025269309/1435069057840844932/image.png?ex=690bf135&is=690a9fb5&hm=fe1cee1fcfcabe1482665ffd1645257fe781ffc464dbb8a4c34f64614198b353&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1273&height=1290

somehow zeus dash is 14% of my dps in rivals eris

this is a pretty unusual screenshot, to be fair
the number normally isnt that high

[edgy nacelle]

damn lol
I think personally I just often end up wanting a source of orig on my dash, when doing dash attack builds, so I most often take zeus sprint on like...supay 🤷

and also "being underwhelming compared to the other core zeus boons" is hardly a bad thing

[leaden cradle]

That's it? I'll try it out!

[opal pecan]

In my cursed Anubis run with the no attack boons until Oceanus, I ended up with dash strike as my highest damage output 🙃 Sometimes damage numbers do a funny

[edgy nacelle]

I mean, you can go more all in! but in general blitz is just really good, and static shock is really good
so getting some source of blitz in your kit and then attacking quickly (for static shock) while your momus turrets do their thing should feel solid

[edgy nacelle]

I rarely play momus, so someone else may have a better idea 🤷
other classic zeus set ups are like. medea skulls with zeus special, mel staff with zeus attack, torches with zeus special... edit: and very notably, circe staff with zeus cast, goes very very hard
static shock alone is just a ton of fun tbh, it adds chain lightning to all your weapon hits and has nice AoE

[leaden cradle]

Alright thank you for the tips
I'll experiment with it

[signal coral]

blitz is good on any weapon where you are planning on pressing more than one button

and pretty much every weapon in the game can meaningfully weave in both the attack and special into a damage sequence

so blitz just ends up being good

[lost merlin]

i mean, even with one button weapons blitz is basically the best secondary status you can hope for

it's just kind of amazing

anubis omega spec builds are so fun but it NEVER gets even slightly less terrifying to actually use

holy

[rare ermine]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwyLDYsMCwzLDIsNSwwLDIsMiwzLDYsMCwyLDIsMTJd

hey guys should i try this fear setup or do i torture myself by adding 1hordes too?

anubis

[edgy nacelle]

I feel like stick with that...? I'd get used to scars 2 before hordes
hordes and grit will both make timer more annoying- oh anubis

see. hm. imo anubis doesn't super mind hordes + wards compared to some aspects lol...

is your goal to get used to new vows and push higher? or clear that level of fear by any means

[rare ermine]

ok yeah maybe i should complete a run 1st before going all in on a crazy fear

im not crazy like metal going for 60f

[lost merlin]

grit and hordes are still going to suck cause they add waves but a bit less bad overall because anubis does a lot of damage at least

anubis ATTACK in rooms isn't nearly as unsafe as in bosses

[rare ermine]

ok lets see if i have a skill issue

[meager wadi]

playing with mel skull this weapon feels horrible on frenzy 2 chronos

well i definietly dont think its unusable but feels bad to play

[haughty bear]

How does the Jeweled Pom work?

Also funny you mentioned Mel Skull, I’m about to give them a spin

[haughty bear]

Are its buffs lingering so long as I maintain its stipulations of no Olympian Keepsake and Re-rolls? Or do they last until I un equip it

[lost merlin]

the 3 new keepsakes all last until you break fate's whim. you'll keep the levels, rarity, and gold you got when you break fate's whim. you will NOT keep the boon from pom or any remaining uses of crolex/calling card

[haughty bear]

I haven’t gotten the other two, I did one run before I rewound time for the better version of the ending, but thanks! Would you still recommend using the Pom at the start or keeping it as the final keepsake in a rotation?

[lost merlin]

pom is always the one you want first with the exception of aspect of persephone where calling card is notably pretty nice, but pom still works.

[haughty bear]

I see, I usually take the Figurine first all the time

For the chance to roll Judgement and unlock Super Melinoe lmao

[lost merlin]

the other 2 have limited uses, so pom is the only one where not starting with it guarentees you lose benefit (no +lv on core boons)

[haughty bear]

But yeah if the boons persist until you break the whims, then it is probably a straight upgrade starting out

[viral yew]

Put a combo of hordes, scars, and grit on, make it an even 50

[lost merlin]

imo there are times where it's worth breaking fate's whim but it's hardly an every run occurance keep in mind, the effects are quite good

[viral yew]

Judgement is worse melinoe, death and strength don't work well together

[haughty bear]

I rarely take God Keepsakes to begin with, unless it’s for a quest, or the re rolls because I don’t really play at high enough fears to warrant using them

[haughty bear]

I know but everything else does

Plus it’s just funny to see the whole arcana section full

[viral yew]

Which is funny cause FW and non rerolls is meta at high fear

[haughty bear]

Ah really?

I thought that would be the context where one would use them

[lost merlin]

yeah the new keepsakes are really strong

[broken spoke]

High number good

[haughty bear]

Then yeah for how I play, the Pom is a straight upgrade

[lost merlin]

pom is obviously required but crolex is absolutely insane as well

[viral yew]

It's primarily for speedruns atp if we're talking about metagaming

[viral yew]

Typical high fear is pom into chrolex

[lost merlin]

charon keepsake gives as much as purging one onion 😭

[haughty bear]

Also unrelated to combat but I love how Pre Ending Hades can address you having the Jeweled Pom if you rewound time

[viral yew]

Exactly

[lost merlin]

i can't get over how even more useless charon keepsake got it's so crazy

[broken spoke]

remake charon keepsake to discount in shop when

[lost merlin]

wait was it actually that at one point

i genuinely suggested that elsewhere as a rework

[rare ermine]

Whats the strat for tartarus?

Do i just book it or do i take 3poms if i see it?

Actually I’m gonna just haul ass to chromer
If I die then I die

i forgor to change my trinket

Dead run

[edgy nacelle]

in what context? generally just book it
if you're not speedrunning grab hades if you want
if you're not at super high fear either (or if your timer is in crazy good shape) then you can do some side rooms if you want something specific from them
but timer + number of enemies gets worse as you go deeper

[meager wadi]

volitile array or boosted iginiton for mel skull

[rare ermine]

I’m hauling ass rn so chronos can put me out of my misery.
I forgor to change my trinket thats so embarrassing

Also i have 6:31 on my time left

[edgy nacelle]

uhhhh I wish I had a real answer for this, I don't play Mel skull nearly enough
personally I'd grab volatile cause it's fun and I like playing Mel skull at range + standing in one place unloading shells
if you play it more like medea and weave in dashes and specials then boosted I guess

boosted should also gain value if you're running a dmg% attack boon, I'd guess, since it's a boost to base power
but if a Mel skulls expert/enjoyer is here pls correct me, I'm going off of guesswork tbqh

[meager wadi]

i was thinking boosted for the faster atk tbh too, rivals chronos moves too fast for me to land all skulls

[edgy nacelle]

pond are you here to save me from my own knowledge issue

[junior trail]

boosted only buffs 1 attack per dash/special so nono for mel skull, its more for medea

[meager wadi]

wait its raelly 1 attack?

[junior trail]

volatile is temu possessed lol, still good tho

[meager wadi]

thats some crazy writing then it just says attacks are faster and have 15 power

[edgy nacelle]

I guess one attack per dash/special, so unless you're weaving in dashes between every attack then eh
and you don't want to weave in specials since that'll recall your skulls and remove the mel aspect bonus

I think it's a rare place where their attack/attacks thing becomes an issue lol
since "your next attack" would be clear but would make it sound like it doesn't affect Ωs, and "your next attacks" is also kind of unclear

[rare ermine]

holy i just fumbled an incredibly winnable run

Died to chronos while he was at 5%hp

It was so winnable

I blame zeus
He pushed out demeter and ares from appearing

[meager wadi]

so what does rivals chronos do in his p2 phase at 50% once all the heals start coming out cuz i just got one shot

[haughty bear]

I just found out Unrivalled Hecate’s clones are NOT immune from Twilight Curse. Nothing to say really, that’s just hilarious

[rare ermine]

He spawns the tempi and once most(?) of them are spawned he goes to the middle and does the one shot attack

Maybe you didnt see the animation?

[spark crown]

the best part about 60f is even tho im losing im having fun

[meager wadi]

well that run got cut at chronos so new question 🤣 bolstered array, looming ignition or volatile same mel skull

i see synergy with bolstered but realistically am i getting 6 skulls off without a dash

[loud rampart]

did they nerf Seismic Servo? It used to allow for a 1 second cooldown on blast effects, now its showing 1.5 seconds

[exotic carbon]

I’m stuck on 20 fear with blades. I’m running Morrigan with Hera attack. Is there anything else I particularly need or should try?

[loud rampart]

same with the shield in #1, invulnerability cannot be understated. you can get really good, or you could try altering your build to fit another aspect. i personally use Artemis to deal with some unpredictable attacks or groups

[exotic carbon]

I take so much damage while charging the omega.. I feel like it barely blocks anything

[loud rampart]

faster omega charge speed always helps, but i usually am pretty passive

[haughty bear]

Best Rush Boon to combo with Supay?

[loud rampart]

thats flames with the omega attack flying out with the rush boon, right?

[spark crown]

not a nerf just a clarification on the actual time

[loud rampart]

sad, but fair

[rare ermine]

When in doubt, zeus

[haughty bear]

I thought they just shot at a set rate

[loud rampart]

im not sure, i cant remember. remiind me?

[haughty bear]

It’s the Hidden Aspect if the flames

[rare ermine]

Supay torch

[loud rampart]

what does it do, i know what its for. how does it change the flames portfolio

[haughty bear]

It attacks automatically basically, you can only pump magic into them with the Omega attacks to make them stronger

Plus the Rush Boon is given a damage boost

[rare ermine]

Rish boon dmg +20% is I remember

[haughty bear]

Wasn’t it 30%?

[broken spoke]

30 iirc

[loud rampart]

I would do Hestia for the group possibilities, and a few of her boons can deal large damage for every death, snowballing everything. personal preference on this

[rare ermine]

🤷 i dont remember every single number

[loud rampart]

how dare

[haughty bear]

Yeah 30

[rare ermine]

All i know is “best” rush for supay is zeus

[haughty bear]

It is constant damage, and over time that 30% is gonna be felt

[broken spoke]

Zeus or hera feel good

[junior trail]

bolstered is really good with mel skull as it synergizes with the aspect bonus, more shells, more power added

[spark crown]

me when i have a good mel flames grisly gain run T-T

just to die to fire

all i needed was aphro flourish T-T

bro wards makes builds so hard to create T-T

[edgy nacelle]

it doessss

[spark crown]

tempted to just run void instead of wards T-T

gonna become a judgment gamer

[edgy nacelle]

I could never
too much resetting 💀

there are a lot of solutions to wards at least, like static shock, scorch, demeter gusts and so on

how are the high fear attempts going overall? I'm very invested lol, kinda wish you were streaming them sometimes it feels like a Saga in the h2 chat

[broken spoke]

Just ask fate give you hades rush every time ez

[flint widget]

time to start the 50 fear surface wr grind again, if i fumble in summit again istg

lord pls give me that sub 10

[spark crown]

boatman death lovers judgment time

-# and i rolled howling soul

kill me now T-T

[edgy nacelle]

what weapon are you on again?

[spark crown]

mel wands

[edgy nacelle]

also judgement runs at high fear scare me, good luck, I would.......... not recommend them but maybe it'll work for you, I'm just a coward

[edgy nacelle]

ahhh yeah
I was gonna say, for circe lately I really like howling soul start tbh

[spark crown]

im not doing good anyway may aswell run judgement XD

second room hidden helix

[edgy nacelle]

ooooh hidden helix...

[flint widget]

spin 2 win

[spark crown]

4 posideion T-T

welp 1 gets to be a onion

[edgy nacelle]

god. if eos was allowed to have hidden helix my best 62 attempt would have worked 😒
(also if a DD showed up in tartarus even once, or ig I were simply a better player xo, skill issue ik)

[flint widget]

poseidon, aphro, and hera specials are ideal

static shock also

get those two and ur damage is set

[spark crown]

ive got on ephyra doors 1 apollo 1 hestia 1 demeter 4 posideon 1 hermes 1 double heart 1 double magick T-T

[edgy nacelle]

4 poseidon lol.... water fitness angle I guess lol

[flint widget]

hestia is good also

[spark crown]

mhm water fitness into frosty venner

[edgy nacelle]

at that point go all in, grab his legendary, you're playing jpom and judgement so just submit to the full rng lifestyle

[spark crown]

might purge hestia into a onion

[flint widget]

do u have max scars on

cuz like apollo hestia opens up the possibility of warm breeze

and healing is everything on high fear

[spark crown]

nope

[edgy nacelle]

still kind of conceptually odd to me that self healing works through max scars but warm breeze doesn't

[spark crown]

only 50%

[flint widget]

5 hp per dodge is still pretty damn nice

[spark crown]

that requires luck to be on my side tho

[flint widget]

still tho

[meager wadi]

if i use Oattack on mel skull and then shoot 3 skulls before it lands does it get the max dmg? or is it based on when i threw it

[flint widget]

safety is everything

[edgy nacelle]

based on how wide grin works (aka the fact that it doesn't), I'd guess it's based on missing skulls when you throw each attack

[flint widget]

id say based on ur doors hestia spesh apollo sprint and poseidon cast are probably ideal

cuz warm breeze scalding vapor

[junior trail]

yeah wid egrin doesnt work with mel skull bonus

[spark crown]

im gonna be so real i remeber sideons legd requirement off the top of my head T-T

[flint widget]

also funnily enough, it opens up beach ball

and then it becomes a fresh file build lmao

[edgy nacelle]

splash (atk/spec)
slippery slope or the boons I never get because I want slippery slope
dash gain or uh... something else. maybe geyser spout?

[spark crown]

going for sideon ledg spin to win

[flint widget]

interesting

[edgy nacelle]

that's my from memory version of it lol, I just go atk/spec + slope + gain/rush if I want it

[spark crown]

dash gain and cast

[flint widget]

that can work

[edgy nacelle]

idt tidal ring counts for it I'm fairly sure, because if it did I'd never take his rush or gain

but lemme check

[junior trail]

if without wide grin, then no, the aspect bonus only counts based on the shell amount it has atm

[edgy nacelle]

oh nice I was right, it's geyser spout in that slot!

1: attack or special
2: gain, rush, or geyser spout
3: hydraulic, ocean swell, slippery slope, or high surf

[spark crown]

nvm geyser was right

weird its not his cast

[edgy nacelle]

and annoying since his cast is so nice...

[meager wadi]

i see, also even tho im on mel skull i got apollo attack, with enough doors to get legendary still and have weed killer should i just take wide grin anyways or still not worth

[edgy nacelle]

similar to how born gain is the literal only hera core boon which doesn't count towards her legendary smh

[flint widget]

just take it tbh

and hope for possessed array

[junior trail]

wide grin + exceptional is good, you can totally ignore the aspect bonus lol

[flint widget]

wide grin possessed array is so damn funny

someone cleared 62 fear surface with that during ea in sub 15

[spark crown]

my sideon splash isnt working all the time ?????????

wait spin is weird

deals damage even if orbs dont hit

and if orbs dont hit no splash T-T

[flint widget]

also u get full respect for running surface

not that pesky half respect underworld

[spark crown]

1.5 respect as im running both XD

[edgy nacelle]

honestly I am so close to switching to high fear surface attempts, I like surface more (aka I don't like erebus)
but. UW got so close.......

[flint widget]

but thessaly and olympus exist tho

[spark crown]

bro i rolled 4 triple wave rooms and am out of time T-T

[edgy nacelle]

I also like olympus better than fields
I'm sure I'd grow to hate it at high fear, it would kick my ass
but I like it

[flint widget]

that's a crazy take tbh

[spark crown]

feilds takes so long tbh

[junior trail]

but free artificer tho??

[edgy nacelle]

it's purely vibes based not rly difficulty or enemy based lol

[flint widget]

fields is a cake walk compared to getting swarmed by a bajillion auto watchers and one invincible dracon

[edgy nacelle]

my artificer is burned by early oceanus at the latest usually for 62 attempts

[spark crown]

https://imgur.com/MN3VIMF

im being drawn in

[rain wagon]

That's just the reality of high fear, sometimes it's just impossible due to rng

[spark crown]

can you tell my most played aspect XD

[edgy nacelle]

I mean to be clear I have nothing against the experience of clearing fields, it's pretty chill and echo is like. perhaps my favorite NPC to see on a run for getting a good bonus
but olympus means I get to vibe with better music, see dionysius even if he's kinda useless sometimes, and onion feels less annoying. I just like the vibes

[flint widget]

true

but the enemies tho

[junior trail]

gotta love dio offering epic reckless

[spark crown]

echo when i have hammer on or when i have pom on still for whatever reason

[edgy nacelle]

as far as my 62 attempts go I like fields and tartarus just fine, it's just like. erebus, scylla, and gramps that give me grief
but when I do fun runs it's always surface, so I miss it lol

[edgy nacelle]

echo when I'm out of DDs because scylla kicked my ass <3

also echo during ransom fun runs giving me the option to make them even funnier lol

[spark crown]

https://imgur.com/2gkJPr1

might try this set up

[flint widget]

the fck kinda fear setup is that

[spark crown]

JUDGEMENT

[edgy nacelle]

but idk, my ideal run in terms of pure vibes would be ephyra => oceanus => olympus => tartarus
and I realize that at high fear that would land me with scylla and prom instead of their much easier counterparts but. idk. the vibes
(my ideal high fear run would not be that. but my ideal 30-50 fear fun run? hell yeah)

[edgy nacelle]

it's a judgement build because it inspires other people in chat to judge you a lil 😔 (<3)

[junior trail]

mfw the centaur unlocks after the third boss

[spark crown]

who needs it :P

[edgy nacelle]

"15 -> 60f but who needs centaur or persistance" is such a baller attitude
could not be me. but inspiring

[spark crown]

lovers with death who needs it

i have persistnce

with death XD

[meager wadi]

got wide grin, possessed array rn with apollo atk fineline ocean swell

extra dose weed killer

[flint widget]

boss melter right here

[edgy nacelle]

what's your magick regen, that sounds fun af

[meager wadi]

born gain rn

[flint widget]

ok yeah thats so ideal

[spark crown]

holy peak build

[junior trail]

gramps gonna have himself busted open

[spark crown]

triple ares mel flames noooooo

along with a apollo heph and miniboss sidon

[junior trail]

cut above tho go find apol and heph quick

[spark crown]

I HAVE BOTH ON DOORS I FORGOT ABOUT THAT

not a single blade perk gonna reroll seed T-T

[meager wadi]

should I be oattacking with the setup I named or just spam attack pick up

[spark crown]

https://imgur.com/vhgqgyf

WHAT ARE THESE DOORS BRO

its time to roll for grisly gain

for the memes

[rain wagon]

What's wrong with them?

[rare ermine]

cryo pounder angle

[spark crown]

i cant spin to win in these conditions

[spiral wadi]

what wep again

[edgy nacelle]

mel torches

I assume. trying to keep up with Metal's gear as solidly as I can

[spiral wadi]

yea u need to go mana drain route, spin2win is bad on surface

i got an aphro spec build in ephyra that fell off extremely hard into summit doing no damage

[spark crown]

wait till you find out im running judgment XD

[flint widget]

metal's gear? as in metal gear solid?

OH MY GOD METAL GEAR SOLID MENTIONED

[edgy nacelle]

@spiral wadi rate this fear loadout. any thoughts

[spark crown]

XD

[spiral wadi]

raw setup

[edgy nacelle]

yes which is why I said solidly
(I've never played it and know literally nothing abt it 🥲)

[flint widget]

man just play it, its peak

[viral yew]

Lowk fire

[edgy nacelle]

idk if I have a device which can, which is my issue w most games tbh

[spark crown]

time to turn on no healing just to take wards off again :P

[edgy nacelle]

try it for UW then

[viral yew]

Nah i don't have the balls for it

[edgy nacelle]

honestly real
I wouldn't have the balls to jump to 60f (from 15 anyway), metal is simply built different

[flint widget]

i mean he is metal tho

[spark crown]

ITS GIGAROS SPIN TIME

[spark crown]

id like to add 15 was just my max win i went back and found i average around 2-5f XD

[edgy nacelle]

the true 60 fear is how scared I am of your willpower, tbqh

[flint widget]

bigger difficulty jump than nine circles to tidal wave in gd tbh

[spark crown]

tbh im actually enjoying getting destroyed XD

i hate it when games are too easy

[flint widget]

guys i need your opinion on something

[edgy nacelle]

idm it so long as I feel like I'm improving in some way

[spark crown]

hera decent on mel torch special?

-# wow im so good at english

[edgy nacelle]

imo yes sure, but idk how you're playing it...? hitch is good, but if you're not rly using Ω atk much then idk if hera special is going to carry as much as you need it to

I love hera on mel torch, I just don't play mel torch spin to win

[flint widget]

im trying to run 50 fear surface speedruns with strength no persistence, im having trouble surviving cuz 30 hp no dds but i could fix that by running fates whim but i dont like how rng based it is, should i make the switch or nah

[spark crown]

im kinda just spinning XD

[edgy nacelle]

hm. I wonder if you'd like Eos....... hm...

[spark crown]

i dont have the combo arcana so uhhhh

[spark crown]

i would try but its lvl 1

[edgy nacelle]

are you on a specific weapon?

[flint widget]

medea cuz its a speedrun

[edgy nacelle]

if you're mainly using specials it's just better tho
2x the specials if you Ωatk now and then

[spark crown]

fates whim is very good

[flint widget]

ideally i just want hera attack zeus special and thats all my dmg but like fates whim is fates whim

[edgy nacelle]

I know less than you abt surface speeds and surface high fear, but I say give it a try for a few runs

[spark crown]

ill level it up and give it a go then 🔥

[edgy nacelle]

shouldn't waste too much time since ephyra reset is faster

[flint widget]

fates probably gonna give me hestia attack poseidon special

[edgy nacelle]

lmk how it goes! it's just like... kinda the torch aspect for special spam
summon your Ωattack then spin to win and your Ωattack will spin to win at the same time

[edgy nacelle]

and if you want Eos tips lmk, others may know better but it's currently my high fear weapon of choice! alongside Circe

[spark crown]

https://imgur.com/y3Oqkvx

IVE BEEN OFFERED THIS EXACT CHOICE THE PAST 3 RUNS

(mel torch still)

[edgy nacelle]

god I would kill for that choice on mel torch tho
sudden burst and clean coil are so good...
just not for special spam ig

I assume you're still using one Ω special before normal specials tho

[spark crown]

https://imgur.com/N5AGXLe

holy peak

hera will always be my queen

[flint widget]

9 hp strength on max pain and scars, am i cooked?

[rain wagon]

Nah, believe

[spark crown]

i belive in you

[edgy nacelle]

slow cooked, by hestia
but also simply don't get hit until you find a source of armor

[flint widget]

2 hp left

[edgy nacelle]

currently deep frying, but not fully cooked yet

[spark crown]

hera flourish was the correct choice OML

blinding rush

[edgy nacelle]

......y'all are making me want to try high fear rn but I'm so sleepy I'm going to suckkkk 🙃

[spark crown]

my first 10 runs were at 3am i believe

[flint widget]

ok somehow survived

[edgy nacelle]

it's 2:49 for me rn lol
but daylight savings here so my body thinks it's nearly 4

[rain wagon]

Do you have any healing?

[edgy nacelle]

but I feel left out 😔 I wanna try a run... or watch one but I can't rly stand twitch

[flint widget]

nah

[rain wagon]

Armor?

[flint widget]

nah

[edgy nacelle]

but you have a dream 🫡

[flint widget]

snow queen dem cast at least for defense

ill just fig it cuz its a speedy speedrun

[edgy nacelle]

...ok I'm convinced. I say, yawning
brb getting my boulder (bluetooth mouse) to push it up the hill (62f) again

[flint widget]

MAN I LOVE IT WHEN FROZEN ENEMIES HAVE LINGERING HITBOXES

[junior trail]

lmao

[flint widget]

THATS MY MOST FAVORITE THING IN THE ENTIRE GAME

[spark crown]

https://imgur.com/aozkEP8

new cursed fear just dropped

[edgy nacelle]

😭 ⁉️

recoils in pain and fear and horror
gods help you

[flint widget]

the fck, max void!?

[spark crown]

imagine i first time clear :P

[rain wagon]

At least do time 2

That's painful to look at

[edgy nacelle]

(if you try eos also try it on a more normal set up perhaps... don't let your only impression of my pretty pink torches be max void 😭)

[spark crown]

https://imgur.com/zixAzcy

this better :P

[viral yew]

Oh my lord

The balls on this mf

[spark crown]

HOLY HELLS EOS IS BUSTED

[edgy nacelle]

GOOD
LIKE. if you like spin to win torches it is THE ASPECT

[spark crown]

anyway i nearly died chamber 2 and have max scars XD

good thing i have 3 dd

[edgy nacelle]

I love it so much tho.... it's the closest I've gotten to a 62 it's so fun and weird and good at high fear

ty for trying it <3 genuinely, I feel weirdly affectionate towards Eos torches

[spark crown]

cuz you like the dawn

[edgy nacelle]

true, because my sleep schedule is so messed up I keep seeing it instead of going to bed 😒

[viral yew]

I do not like playing eos

[spark crown]

https://imgur.com/OcBV1cx

the forbiden trade (hera flourish)

how does eos work with aphro attack

is it nearby daybreak or near me

[edgy nacelle]

near you

[junior trail]

idk id still keep sworn

[edgy nacelle]

altho fun with island getaway
and also you can just be near the daybreaker
but part of the appeal is that it's safe, I'd keep hera tbh

I love gambling on island getaway lol but it rarely pays off

[digital juniper]

a true gambler fr

[flint widget]

omg im cooking, first time running fates whim surface speed and instantly got a 4 sec heph attack

i think im on fire

[spark crown]

i did 🔥

[rare ermine]

question about freezer burn and highly flammable

if i rewove the scorch using freezer burn, will h.flammable proc again and give them the increased scorch stacks?

[junior trail]

Nope. Highly Flammable only applies on the initial Scorch application
Even if that first Scorch gets burned off or refilled later, it won’t re-trigger

[rare ermine]

this game sucks, why is it so balanced

[junior trail]

the same reason why hangover kinda sucks (without hitch) in h2, its also first-time only

[silent crow]

hangovers pretty great tho

[junior trail]

ehh

[silent crow]

its just a nuke everything boon

[meager wadi]

so im playing charon with blitz on special and took arc flash, it should be procing itself in one ospecial right

[junior trail]

cleave cast also triggers arc flash
but both o.special+cleave cast dmg alone is more than enough to trigger blitz on its own without needing for arc flash?

[meager wadi]

so what exactly is arc flash for then

assuming blitz that is one hit like a mel staff ospecial

[junior trail]

something like torches o.special, axe o.attack, anubis o.attack
o.moves, high hit rate, move not end too quick, easy maintenance

[meager wadi]

i see, i misunderstood it a little

[ebon reef]

Hello. Does Seismic Servo work for stuff like Unseen Ire or Circe's Morph?

[junior trail]

iirc no, servo only works with olympian effects

[spark crown]

ares and tripple hera one eos ITS TIME FOR GRISLY GAIN

[ebon reef]

Ah I see. Thanks!

[meager wadi]

if going for mel torch, ares legendary youd still want a dmg% boon on it i assume

[spark crown]

love getting sniped right after my dd happens

https://imgur.com/MgPd4us

rate the cards

aspect of eos

why is this going better than when i had dd T-T

only burned 12 lifetax

[rare ermine]

how do i block zues from appearing in my runs

bro has showed up 5 times in a row

[spark crown]

you cant block zues :P he will always get you

[junior trail]

No night?

[spark crown]

eternity is my king

[edgy nacelle]

I DID ITTTTTTT

I mean hi, hello, how's it going everyone

ty metal and checkmate for inspiring me to try high fear tonight UW 62 is conquered

[spark crown]

half respect not surface

:P

[edgy nacelle]

I'll take half respect 🫡

so long as you forgive me for being a woke person (aka gay)

[spark crown]

HAHA

[spark crown]

i forgive you - a woke person (aroace)

[edgy nacelle]

aspect of charon is now forever going to be in my top 5, my god, first ever charon attempt and it just like. worked

[spark crown]

i look at my dog and now have 3min left on my timer room 2 XD

#h1-builds-and-combat

[edgy nacelle]

this is definitely the wrong channel, since that's a Hades 1 fight and this is the category for Hades 2! try #h1-discussion or #h1-builds-and-combat

[dense tinsel]

Oh shoot wrong game

Sorry

[spark crown]

allg mate

[glass bone]

Time to do another one rn, right?

You should totally do another Axespect

[edgy nacelle]

time to go to bed it's nearly 4:30am
but I don't plan for it to be my last 62 😤

[glass bone]

Fair enough 👋

[digital juniper]

i was not aware DTB is turning evil

[edgy nacelle]

also other than Than axe idk about axe 62... maybe
what's your take on high fear axes? I wasn't expecting Charon to feel that good ngl, it just had enough damage to ignore the tempi in gramps p2 and delete cerb before he did anything too troublesome

[digital juniper]

DTB does not like the axespects other than charon much for 62, that’s where his message came from

[edgy nacelle]

ah

I don't know my DTB lore, alas

[spark crown]

aphro/sidon duo potential in my current run 3 sidon 1 aphro

[glass bone]

No I do not. I lucked out on Nergal my first try because I hit literally everything (Psychic Whirlwind, Iron Core from Experimental Hammer, % Attack, etc.)

[edgy nacelle]

but I don't super like Mel or Negal axe at any fear so uh. you know. not super enthused abt 62

[glass bone]

It’s hard for me to decide outside of Charon which one is the best, and which one is the worst

[digital juniper]

you should probably get your circe 62 next

[edgy nacelle]

oooh... still Eos? back to Mel?

[digital juniper]

it’s kinda like the rite of passage and you like it too

[glass bone]

Like… here’s the thing. On a surface level, Thanatos has the easiest time starting out. But… all Mel Axe really needs is Gigaros Dash and a % Attack, and all Nergal really needs is Psychic Whirlwind and a % Attack

At the moment, I’m gonna say… Charon >> Nergal >= Thanatos >= Mel Axe, I guess.

[spark crown]

still eos

new flash didnt get it as i was killed by the anchor guy that was already dead

[glass bone]

Like… Nergal with Psychic Whirlwind is crazy strong. But without, it feels bad that you want to only use Dash Attack and Special.

Ah… I keep going back and forth. It is painful

I’ve said it before, but I am fairly confident in where I would put almost every weapon’s aspects, except for Skull and Axes.

[digital juniper]

question, where would you rank medea?

[glass bone]

They both have a standout aspect that can be good or bad, and then 3 aspects that are way too close to definitively say one is better than another

[glass bone]

Bottom of S at the highest, bottom of A at the lowest

Somewhere in that range

[digital juniper]

i meant you personally, between the 4 skullspects

because logically you could put it at first by far, but you’re a non-medea player so you might also not

[glass bone]

Oh. Well I personally prefer playing Mel Skull / Persephone over Medea, but I recognize its power is really good.

[digital juniper]

i’m so excited to have playing time for the next few days, not sure if i wanna be pushing fear with it or going for some speeds

[glass bone]

Also even if I was a great Medea player, it still has problems where you have to be really careful to not take so much damage

Btw, I realized during my Medea attempts that Gigaros Dash was also a big deal for Medea…

You get to hitstun regular enemies with a dash, getting a better opening to attack them with a loop

But now you don’t have that anymore

[silent crow]

gigaros doesnt hitstun no more

oh

[glass bone]

I know. That was referring to 1.0, but I should have been more clear

[spark crown]

3 rooms damageless im improving

[silent crow]

🦉

[spark crown]

right as i say that i take 2 big hits T-T

life take saves me once again

NOT THE POLY GRAB INTO MEDA POISON T_T

i didnt even get a chance to react T_T

[rain wagon]

You are indeed brave, from 15 to 60 in one go, crazy

[edgy nacelle]

I'm more impressed at the tenacity to still be having fun and not giving up, it's been a while now

[spark crown]

btw 15 was just my max clear XD

[edgy nacelle]

one doesn't need to imagine sisyphus Metal happy, because somehow he is anyway

[spark crown]

i looked and i average 3-5 fear XD

one dosnt need to meet sisyphus as i am right here XD

started 60f on run 198 am now on run 302

[digital juniper]

what’s the farthest you’ve gotten so far?

[spark crown]

end of region 1 XD

[vagrant sentinel]

Yall on what weapon and aspect is hera best

[spark crown]

poly and hecate are my bane

[vagrant sentinel]

And what skill of her

[spark crown]

hera strike on aspect of morrigan goes hard

[vagrant sentinel]

On what weapon?

[spark crown]

sisterblades

[vagrant sentinel]

Yeah i dont have that hidden aspect yet

Other weapon?

[spark crown]

flames aspect of eos, hera on the special

[meager wadi]

why is finding apollo legendary impossible

[spark crown]

trueeee

[vagrant sentinel]

With flames you mean hestia i suppose?

[spark crown]

no the weapon twin flames

[vagrant sentinel]

Oh okay and on attack?

[spark crown]

attack is good with any debuf as its oattack > ospecial >spam special

zues is probably best like always

[vagrant sentinel]

Zeus on attack? never heard that before

[spark crown]

well this is a special primary weapon

as your oattack shoots your specials

[turbid crescent]

Sooo if any of you love staff of circe as much as I do, feel free to send me your craziest builds to try, I'm bored

[vagrant sentinel]

Okay sorry
am doing an circe run what on attack and special
Like am going to putt appolo and all on cast but idk what else to do

[turbid crescent]

I like zeus cast more tbh

[spark crown]

staff of circe but you play mel staff

[muted schooner]

Raising the rarity of that Boon that gives you back a percentage of the life you lost in an Encounter at the end of the Encounter makes it SO stupid.
Get back 100% of the health you lost in the Encounter stupid.
The end of that run was gleeful.

[vagrant sentinel]

No rex i mean the boon that cast expands

[turbid crescent]

but for attack? me personally i fw pos / heph and hestia special

[turbid crescent]

OH nvm

[turbid crescent]

ew

[edgy nacelle]

zeus cast is ideal and feels amazing
but ngl heph cast is fun lol
heph cast winner's circle in particular is funny because you don't actually need to use Ω casts, you can just layer heph casts on top of each other since you get 3 clangs even if they disappear

[spark crown]

you could play the snake one

[turbid crescent]

never mention mel staff to me. ever.

[turbid crescent]

I've tried heph and zeus

wait did I play heph cast with circe or daggers?

idk lol

[edgy nacelle]

smolder ring is also fun, and smolder ring circe just got buffed in 1.1

or uhhh have you done a full air quality build? AQ + arctic gale + prominence flare + meat grinder?
or just king's ransom but I assume you've done that already

[thorny raft]

hello. mega driver or colossus driver for medea skull?

[digital juniper]

colossus

mega driver on medea is very bad because it ruins your damage combo

[vagrant sentinel]

anybody ez build for axe to defeat typhon

[digital juniper]

colussus on the other hand is one of the best hammers you can get on it

[vagrant sentinel]

i need to kill him with axe for achievement

[digital juniper]

thanatos axe and try to get apollo’s legendary and psychic whirlwind hammer

[thorny raft]

if u get the hammer that lets u use omega attack and normal attacks at the same time nearly any build works

[digital juniper]

apollo attack, get origination between your cast and sprint and look for the legendary

[vagrant sentinel]

okay
attack apollo
special?
gain?

okay yall
Zeus, demeter or hestia?
that are my choices from the city

[thorny raft]

any special that applies a curse like demeter zues hera etc

demeter if u want slow

demeter cast is prolly better than special tho

for gain im assuming ur using thanatos axe so zues or hestia work

zeus special can also work tho if u want more dmg

[vagrant sentinel]

Ill do hestia gain zeus special demeter cast

thx

[meager wadi]

does hera aphro duo boon work on rivals prom? surely not

that would be somethin though

[dreamy veldt]

No

[flint widget]

mel staff disrespect is crazy

[edgy nacelle]

even if you don't like mel staff, imo learning to play mel staff well makes you better at playing other non-anubis staffs

it's easy to tunnel vision on the gimmick, and mel staff just delivers that raw focused staff experience
(also got me my first 40f clear a couple months ago, so has a special place in my heart)

[flint widget]

plus dual moonshot hera special static shock just gives me so much dopamine

bonus points if blitz attack

[junior trail]

Its a bit annoying for supay that you can’t use cast while sprinting

[steady island]

ok so the hephaestus legendary only increases mel axe stat only by +10

bruh

[dreamy veldt]

Lol Medea vs eye is so funny

[flint widget]

the opposite is true for tail

tail is like the worst possible miniboss ever for medea

small ass hitbox and moves quickly

[rare ermine]

i dont play enough medea but if you ospecial does it stop you when you hit or does it bulldoze through?

[dreamy veldt]

Traps on my most damage suffered list lol

Also no idea cause I've never ospecialed with medea

[digital juniper]

medea has an ospecial??

[flint widget]

nobody uses ospecial on medea lmao so idk

if i wanted to play ospecials with skull i woulda picked perseph

[rare ermine]

dang you guys have 1000hours between you all and no answer

[slate trench]

im pretty sure it bulldozes but the skull ospecial without sprouted is so short anyway

[oblique hazel]

bulldozes through im pretty sure

[rare ermine]

ospec on medea, not perseph

[slate trench]

yea i mean it kind of sucks if you aren't using it on perseph

[vagrant sentinel]

yall how ou find screenshot from game

[austere trail]

on steam? there's a screenshot menu

[vagrant sentinel]

yeah am too dumb for that

How you find it/where

[austere trail]

just scroll down? it's below your achievements and trading cards

[hidden wind]

yall is it me or is hestia like teh best bandaid god? scortch by itself is SO good that its saved even my worst runs but at the same time it feels like you can only build so much on it

like youre basically going
apply more scootch and consume more scootch
thats about the cap

[dreamy veldt]

Speaking of scorch

I have now experienced Hestia attack on Ankh and it is wonderful

[odd bolt]

to me its hera

i never ever once in my life felt bad about going for hera

[hidden wind]

i mean hera feels more like a force multiplier to me
she buff sup your existing stuff and has great multipliers
but she needs somehign to add on top of

[odd bolt]

i just think she has like 0 bad boons, hestia is good too but depending on the weapon i might not want scorch as much as other curses

[hidden wind]

im guessing the aoe scortch application?

[hidden wind]

i uh
do trick knives work for themorrigan ritual?

[glass bone]

No, because Morrigan cannot get TK

[hidden wind]

rip

[surreal hazel]

Just get final slice and mash attack

[austere trail]

or if that playstyle gets too stale you can always focus on blood triad hammers

[hidden wind]

i mean so far ive just done a pseal omega attack and melle spam

[rare ermine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1236603598708805702/1435652998763253971/image.png?ex=690cbf8c&is=690b6e0c&hm=cf09eec23973d87da9f0d73fc694cc260e1354ba454680aa74a3f29315f54237&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=634&height=1001
this is one of the run starts of all time

[sage flame]

howling soul carry

[rare ermine]

why do they keep giving me epic stuff, prime gaming

[lost merlin]

the conditions for it imo are a bit more strict than other legendaries, you need apollo attack/spec

thanks for being scrolled up so far discord really appreciate you keeping me up to date

[nimble lichen]

anyone got a good charon axe/coat builds?

[rare ermine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1236603598708805702/1435656942482882640/image.png?ex=690cc338&is=690b71b8&hm=a21bb695b84f7472454840ce36de3143aaf1bead764842ec7c933532dcc3ce1d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1576&height=887
watch me fumble this run fr

[austere trail]

apollo lucid gain and super nova
poseidon tidal ring and if you can, geyser spout
any omega cast boons you can stack, like demeter, ares, and apollo
playstyle: drop cast down, strike with omega special

[sage flame]

what even is pos ares duo

or is that hostile environment I can't tell

[rare ermine]

thats ares godsent

hex inflicts wounds 😔
but i already have wounds on my attack 🥹

[lost merlin]

25% chance for all splashes to go off twice

they also get colored red when they go off twice which does nothing except look cool

[sage flame]

oh right

[sage flame]

god I gotta get non-colorblind eyes

ya know I didn't even know duos were "green" for the longest time

[austere trail]

wanna switch? I have keratoconus

[lost merlin]

being colorblind in this game must be a nightmare

[sage flame]

it's mostly okay tbh

very little is actually an issue since contrast is good enough

[austere trail]

could you at least tell the diff between duos and non-duos?

[sage flame]

old blood drops were horrible

[sage flame]

I mean yeah I just thought duos were also yellow

im red green colorblind so

tracks

[vagrant sentinel]

Yall who got a good build for the coat any aspect except the hidden

[sage flame]

red deficiency, whatever you wanna call it

[lost merlin]

my dad is colorblind and my mom is regular blind. somehow i ended up with more or less perfect vision.

[vagrant sentinel]

Yall who got a good build for the coat any aspect except the hidden

[sage flame]

zeus on something like special, poseidon attack and dash attack spam with weaving in specials

get static shock and other on hits

[rare ermine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1236603598708805702/1435659995588067328/image.png?ex=690cc610&is=690b7490&hm=8758d437dab5ffe18b12a51ea8496cb59d58e45fdb37c6149ae525ed095b4a10&
why do they keep giving me rare boons. my hubris will be my downfall

[austere trail]

duos are affected by hubris but not infusion boons, right?

[lost merlin]

ngl i always hesitate to actually recommend zeus because like, it's zeus

[rare ermine]

ok hear me out if i get the 0.00001 chance of air quality

[lost merlin]

of course it's gonna work out, it's zeus lol

[surreal hazel]

Infusion booms are common boons wearing a moustache

[austere trail]

I didn't even have zeus on a run and blitz still appeared on my victory screen

[surreal hazel]

The moustache fools uncommon grace, but not hubris

[lost merlin]

i hate surface because even when zeus isn't helping he's helping 😔

[surreal hazel]

Hey hey

Ever used godsent zeus against rivals typhon?

[rare ermine]

if i take glorious will my channel take longer too?

[surreal hazel]

It's a two stage channel

[rare ermine]

aight thats all i needed to hear

[surreal hazel]

The regular omega channels and costs like normal, then you can optionally keep going

[lost merlin]

i have not i'm still too baby mode to turn on rivals 4

as it turns out skipping straight to hordes 3, grit 3, frenzy 2 may have been detrimental

[surreal hazel]

Glorious disaster is terrible yet I love it

[surreal hazel]

Remember to do this when you can. Fun easter egg

[cerulean panther]

I had an Epic Winner's Circle run last night and got Prominence Flare and then GD never spawned.

[austere trail]

oh really? nice

[lost merlin]

oh, and i also have a goal i'm working on rn so hades 2 has taken a bit of a backseat until i'm satisfied there

[trim cypress]

how do people get so many boons and upgrades, is there a point the game gets longer?

[surreal hazel]

Zeus can't turn up to that fight, so who says his voice lines when you use your hex?

[lost merlin]

travel deal is usually a big source of extra boons

[trim cypress]

i just cleared typhon first time

[austere trail]

artificer also helps

[glass bone]

On the bright side, the choice here is easy

[surreal hazel]

Artificer can add more

[lost merlin]

you aren't missing a secret 5th stage FYI

[surreal hazel]

Amd more cash to splash out on shops and hermes shrines

[opal pecan]

1. on the Surface, more boons are naturally available due to the design of the levels and the addition of Hermes shrines allowing you to order extra boons
2. the other stuff that people mentioned

[lost merlin]

i love running excellence with fate's whim because it means i can do the funny narcissus thing more often

[surreal hazel]

Counter to that. You can have, at most, one family dispute on the surface

[trim cypress]

i always see that but like the % seemed insignificant

[opal pecan]

It's not about the discount (which tbf also increases at higher rarity)

[surreal hazel]

Excellence is bait. Do not take it

[austere trail]

although it scales well with rarity yeah

[opal pecan]

It's about the fact that the shop offers you a second item after you buy the discounted item, an extra item which you otherwise would not have been offered

[trim cypress]

i didnt know that

[opal pecan]

It's in the boon description

[surreal hazel]

Read the boon

[lost merlin]

it's not very good, i just don't care that much about boatman + it feels in theme to have that whole corner off

[opal pecan]

Reading Is Fundamental

[trim cypress]

i missed that part

[rare ermine]

reading comprehension 🥀

[lost merlin]

my justification for excellence is "i felt like it"

and yk what i'm putting on unseen next 🗣️

[surreal hazel]

Valid, but have you considered oringina?

[austere trail]

I love unseen!!!

[surreal hazel]

It's tasty

[trim cypress]

i just stop reading after 5 words i guess lol

[opal pecan]

Unseen instead of Excellence: sure, I shake your hand
Unseen and Excellence and Boatman: sweatdrop
All three of those and no Origination: wait

[austere trail]

unseen boatman origination :)

[surreal hazel]

New versus mode challenge speedrun format: you choose the loadout the other player starts with

[lost merlin]

orig is for squares who have yet to see the light of aphro attack anyways

[rare ermine]

omg ares wont give me grievous blow, i need him to carry me and he wont do it

[austere trail]

just enough cards to not activate judgement

[opal pecan]

Simple, Aphrodite attack but you use some combination of your special/sprint/cast to proc orig, ez

[trim cypress]

how does artificer work to add more boons exactly?

[lost merlin]

(i know)

[surreal hazel]

Or use any other attack because flutterstrike is probably the worst strike boon

[austere trail]

change the minor rewards like bones to major rewards

[surreal hazel]

Flutter flourish on the other hand....

[opal pecan]

When you earn a minor reward (bones/ash) you can hit a button to convert it into a major reward (gold/hp or mp up/boon etc)

[lost merlin]

you can use them on minor rewards (nectar, bones, ashes) to turn them into majors (basically everything else besides chaos)

[trim cypress]

ok sounds like i been sleepin on that

[surreal hazel]

You will forget to press the button at first

[lost merlin]

you can do it up to 3 per run, it's better in the underworld since surface already gives you a ton of boons

it's still nice in surface you get hammers and hermes off of it

[nimble lichen]

got anything for coat?

[austere trail]

someone below gave one

spookiboys

[opal pecan]

I'm assuming if Circe ranks up your Artificer on the Surface, you get just the one extra conversion to use, rather than fully resetting your converts

(the alternative would be a weensy bit busted and not in line with some of their bugfixes lol)

[lost merlin]

i never actually had artificer ranked up so i'm not sure, but this has been an issue before in general

calling card used to do this lol

[austere trail]

ye with zag's

[opal pecan]

Yeah, that was one of the bugfixes I was thinking of -- the other being Steady Growth (although that one was not busted, it just mildly screwed the player over lol)

[rare ermine]

died to time vow, im going to sleep

see you funny people on my phone tomorow

[modern falcon]

Does using magick to resist damage from Brave Face trigger/contribute to Righteous Pike or the Zeus boon that shocks an enemy whenever you use magick?

[dire shell]

I’m very confused about how to use Charon against bosses, specifically unrivalled Hecate and Scylla. I’m pretty good at this game but that aspect seems… quite bad against bullet hell, and I’m not sure what to do except treat it as bad Melinoe

[sage flame]

pray for channel speed and use eternity if you need the space to channel specials

[digital juniper]

don’t forget that you can dash mid-channel

[dire shell]

Right but then you unchannel in whatever direction you dash, right? So it’s not always helpful

[nimble lichen]

thanks

[digital juniper]

i assume you’re on controller?

on mkb i can dash with whatever WASD i’m using and my ospecial will go through the direction of my mouse

no clue how it plays on controller

[dire shell]

Yeah it always goes same direction on controller, as far as I can tell

Even if I do a very quick flick. Functionality shouldn’t be different between the two../

[digital juniper]

yeah i’m sorry then i have no clue how to help with that

as spooki said you need to hope for channel speed and eternity also helps

[radiant eagle]

SHOCKING LOSS IS THE BEST

[dire shell]

Ah okay, so a major part of my issue with this aspect is that I’m on control? That’s… pretty lame lol

[austere trail]

rip

[junior trail]

man i miss suffering

[dire shell]

Ranged casts are also absurdly good with Charon lol

[digital juniper]

i’m sure there’s something around it because a lot of high level players (both fear and mkb) play charon

[sage flame]

that's crazy

[lost merlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0qbC0ENsbY

[tawny imp]

what do yall think about moon beam on region 3

[sage flame]

big fan

[tawny imp]

i take it usually if i have a hex akready

[sage flame]

I'll moon beam most regions except tart because tart doesn't like actually spawning a path of stars

[opal pecan]

You fight the extra rooms in Tartarus on purpose? :O

Ever get anything real good outta them

[sage flame]

not really

but I hit every tart side room and it never spawned a path of stars

got scammed out of a keepsake

[opal pecan]

Damn.... at least it should guarantee you a moon drop in the boss shop if it don't spawn a room 😩

Though my nomination for saddest icon to see on a victory screen is https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280788714790322176/1435690088313913404/image.png?ex=690ce216&is=690b9096&hm=f450c427aea987ac5f645b7f64fcab22fa93893cd8ff818381ec4a9b9bf3cf80&

[hidden wind]

hot diggity darn
success rate + sea star is goated as hell
HAHAHA YES

[cerulean panther]

Is Glorious Disaster counted as an Omega move but not an Omega Cast?

Because I've got Heroic Winner's Circle (thanks, Narc) but no Sorceress or other standard Omega Speed boosts and it's still taking a while.

[opal pecan]

Based on the earlier discussion, the Glorious Disaster extra channel is counted separately from the original cast's channel time

[spiral wadi]

glorious disaster requires charging ur ocast a second time

[cerulean panther]

I'm aware.

[spiral wadi]

this also causes ur ocast to not actually trigger unless u charge twice

i don't think it counts for either omega move or cast

[cerulean panther]

The charge time itself for Glorious Disaster is still very long with Heroic Winner's Circle.

[spiral wadi]

like how meat grinder and prom flare doesn't count

lol yea gd is just prob the worst boon in the game

straight up a build bricker

how it survived ea idek

[cerulean panther]

I'm getting Omega Cast hits without fully charging GD.

But yeah, never taking this boon again.

[spiral wadi]

o huh did they fix it then

[tawny imp]

Zag is so hard to beat with casts

[nimble lichen]

got cooked by typhon

btw it seems like they fixed the posidon/apollo axe thing

[opal pecan]

People were saying they hadn't 🤔

[nimble lichen]

i did get the water boon from posidon and the expanding aura from apollo, but it didnt cover up all the screen

[hidden wind]

i mean to me at least it seems intended? apollo expands until x size from beginning to end
its just that when you end the cast early it progresses till the last bit

at least for me it works perfectly fine

[nimble lichen]

would love to share a sceenshot of my build, but i cant

[opal pecan]

Upload it somewhere else and just post the link here

I've been using my private Discord server lol

[nimble lichen]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1CKeUJbew1JCR_W5BgDkYrQmnsRTZxV58?usp=sharing

[night lagoon]

That's pretty much everything you can hope for on a Charon build, besides Local Climate and the extra Ospecials from Exceptional Talent and Giga Cleaver

[bronze flax]

Using Nergal rn. Aphro on attack and Magick, Poseidon on Dash and Demeter on Cast. Thinking on adding Heph on Special just to try to fish for his legendary for Berserk in 4 hits 🤔

Oh, and I got Iron Core, so that's neat

[nimble lichen]

did you see the HP tho?

[tacit rapids]

how does manipluating boons work on the first area of the surface? cause duplicate boons can show up but ik there is some way to manipulate the boons on the door to have what gods you want to show up or if someone has like a video i can watch that would also be awesome cause i imagine its a little complicated

[thorny raft]

for moros torches is the explosion ur atk or ur special? which curse does it take?

[tacit rapids]

the explosions are the attack what do you mean by which curse does it take? If you mean like what boons are nice on it i like blitz on the special and hera on the attack

[sage flame]

attack yeah

[floral mason]

A few things:

1. Game doesn't like to show a reward when there's already this reward shown. When there's a boon of Apollo on the doors, when re-rolling, you won't get another Apollo boon on the door.
2. Game doesn't necessarily does it, but it tends to give you boons of the gods you already have in pool when re-rolling.

[loud saffron]

Can someone please point me towards some kind of guide or discussion for vows selection for 24+ fear (surface) runs?

[bronze flax]

Hah, died against Eris, it turns out Nergal is forgiving unless you were being sloppy, who would have know that?