h2-builds-and-combat

[junior trail]

yeah strength is global dmg increase

[opaque holly]

So strength probably okay vs death no

I’m terrible at this kind of game and haven’t won a single run after 20 nights

I’m too stubborn to god mode but tbh I doubt I’ll ever get past 10-20 fear

[spiral wadi]

wtf, strength is global damage

[gentle widget]

no need to rush bro

[gentle widget]

oh ok, cool, still not gonna use it unless speed run

[spiral wadi]

i still like running strength, makes stacking hp way funnier

[gentle widget]

the fates whimp meta is very strict for strength because of where its placed

wait wtf, i just looked again

[junior trail]

I feel like Strength is best when you're already kind of familiar with the gameplay flow and the enemy movesets

Like, you’re not supposed to just facetank everything, but the damage reduction is super handy for those moments where you get hit here and there. Just enough to smooth out mistakes without relying on DD

And yeah, the damage reduction from Strength does stack with God Mode

[gentle widget]

its doable to skip dd for strength

[opaque holly]

Was it 50% before? Not 40%

[junior trail]

yeah it was nerfed, still viable tho

[opaque holly]

I mean if you end a run with 200hp, strength is 333EHP.

Death is 320EHP not counting all the ways you can get extra DDs

But your healing goes farther on strength

Huh wow 50% would make them a lot more even because of all the trinkets and pets and stuff that synergize with DD

[junior trail]

as long as its not scars 3 (actually theres still a room to wiggle for healing but thats another story), strength is totally okay

[gentle widget]

i have beaten 40+fears on both dd and str and i must say str feels alot better

i used to be a str advocate until dd fate whimp meta came

[spiral wadi]

strength is very good, but yea because of how arcana is structured dds are just objectively better esp cuz it procs divinity and the row is actually good

[opaque holly]

Did they explain why they dropped strength?

[junior trail]

oh yeah divinity

[spiral wadi]

they nerfed strength before they actually fixed the healing cheeses that still worked with scars 3 like charity bottle

[viral yew]

How are y'all still discussing this it's been all day

[opaque holly]

I’m a noob and asked a question because I don’t know any better

[junior trail]

In mid to high Fear runs, especially with Rivals or Fate’s Whim run, people tend to prefer Death for that extra margin of error. Having DDs is just super handy when you’re dealing with unpredictable or high-pressure setups

Normally, in Strength or standard runs, activating Divinity is pretty straightforward. People usually line it up like:
The Sorceress → The Furies → The Swift Runner → The Enchantress → The Champions
Then use The Boatman to activate The Fates and complete the sequence.

But with Fate’s Whim runs, the strategy shifts, people drop reroll-focused cards like The Enchantress, The Champion, and The Fates, and go for more survivability. Cards like Death and The Lovers take priority. Also, Strength’s positioning isn’t always optimal for Divinity activation in those setups.

So a more survival-focused Divinity path might look like:
The Swift Runner → Death → The Centaur → Origination → The Lovers
That route gives you better sustain and stability in chaotic runs while still letting you access Divinity, just through a different card sequence.

[opaque holly]

Ah I see

Sorry I should have been clearer — I meant did SG ever explain why they nerfed strength

But your explanation for players arcana setups makes total sense

What are the issues with https://hades.teheidoma.space/#4416743 for fate’s whim?

[spiral wadi]

ye, it's very fine to play strength until specifically when scars 3 is enabled lmao

[opaque holly]

Divinity seems doable with a 1 point dip into the messenger

[tall notch]

Is it just me or does this link look sketchy

[junior trail]

Basically because it became meta after the QoL change that made it easier to use
It used to only activate when your HP dropped below 30%, but now it just works as long as you don’t have a DD
So you're getting free damage AND damage reduction right from the start, which honestly was a bit too good

Eventually it fell off anyway after the nerf, the interaction with Engraved Pin got fixed (it used to work with Strength), and Rivals and Fate’s Whim got introduced, since survivability became more important

[tall notch]

Omg i miss old strength it was fun

[opaque holly]

Sorry, found the website on Reddit, but it seemed relatively simple. I’m on mobile so my phone didn’t throw up any concerns

Also the website is definitely bugged and mistakenly activates moon Arcana sometimes without an adjacent card

[tall notch]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/
This one's more widely used by the community!

[spiral wadi]

i think it's just a funky personal domain, still wack tho

[opaque holly]

Ah okay

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMjMiXQ==

Same arcana diff site

[viral yew]

Fairly standard arcana

[opaque holly]

Bless

I’ll take it

[junior trail]

Excellence (and The Unseen) are honestly the ultimate noob traps lol
They sound flashy on paper but fall apart fast once you actually know how the game flows

[opaque holly]

I thought it would actually increase the rate of epic as well, in which case I think it might be actually be decent.

But the boost to legendary, which is kind of irrelevant unless you have the prereqs, and extra rares instead of commons…that’s bad I guess

That’s a pretty trivial benefit

Super bad that it just works on leggos (situationally great) and rares (kinda whatever)

[viral yew]

It's just too much grasp

[opaque holly]

I guess it’s a way to force legendary boons?

[tall notch]

It becomes even worse when you realise that extra legendary chance is 50% of the current chance which still leaves your legendary chances fairly low

[opaque holly]

Ohhh

It’s not additive

Yeah okay skip

[gentle widget]

wtf yall skip excellence?

15% epic is a great moral boost

[tall notch]

That's divinity not excellence

[gentle widget]

oh ok

[spiral wadi]

excellence loses value from everything being lv4 unfortunately

[gentle widget]

ih yea the 50% rare is pretty scammy

[wet pawn]

Casually did a very powerful build last night and killed Typhon with rank 0 aspect of Mel while only losing a death defiance the moment before killing him

[tall notch]

Some of my fates whim setups take excellence but that's just because the build has nothing better to spend grasp on

[gentle widget]

i should start playing hades card fates whimp

[wet pawn]

Hestia Demeter Poseidon and Aphrodite together creates some funny stuff

[gentle widget]

as a hestia merchant i approve this

[prisma needle]

is it only possible to get one athena boon or can you get one from both olympus and gorgon keepsake

[spiral wadi]

nah only one per night

[prisma needle]

ok ty

[wet pawn]

Yeah I'm also a hestia enjoyer myself. Let the world burn

[junior trail]

only one athena boon is allowed in surface
if gorgon on ephyra/thessaly > no athena proc in olympus
if gorgon on olympus > no another athena proc in olympus
if athena proc in olympus > no gorgon in the summit

[wet pawn]

If Athena appears in Olympus you're not able to equip the keepsake for the summit

[junior trail]

however in underworld route is possible to have two athena boons from gorgon and echo

[gentle widget]

have u seen my best hestia run#h2-victory-boasting message

[tall notch]

They fixed that didn't they

[wet pawn]

Don't think so

[junior trail]

they have?

[gentle widget]

320k scorch damage

[wet pawn]

Wtf that's some crazy pyro technique shenanigans and infinite scorch

[gentle widget]

yea bro i myself was surprised

[wet pawn]

Max I got on pyro technique was 250% I think once

[gentle widget]

finish the game and get the 3 fates keepsakes bro

they are crazy

[wet pawn]

I already did on my main save they are so good

[gentle widget]

also u need to max out mob hp and mob number and skip no room to get that much number up

[wet pawn]

Yeah that also explains it, more hp to burn

[spiral wadi]

grit and hordes don't affect encounter check for keepsake upgrading (hm i might be misreading lol)

[junior trail]

I still really like Ares. he’s S tier for me, personally
But from a meta standpoint? Yeah, he totally dropped the ball post-Warsong. It’s just been nerf after nerf. Still fun, but nowhere near as dominant as he used to be

[spiral wadi]

ares is a good god, he just feels like a support god that requires hyperinvestment

or at least more investment than other gods that have good base strength

[wet pawn]

And if you manage to get hestia on the first area while having jewelled pom and change to calling card on the second area and get pyro technique you could get a lvl 3 heroic pyro technique from the go

[gentle widget]

his bloodspil should be auto absorbed from scratch

[spiral wadi]

tru

[gentle widget]

that would put him on par with heph

[wet pawn]

And if you're using Persephone you could get lvl 10 heroic pyro technique

[spiral wadi]

i think auto collecting plasma should just be on grisly gain

[junior trail]

Like… you just don’t get that same “yaaay Ares!” feeling anymore when his boon pops up, unlike Zeus, Hera, or Hestia who are still instant hype picks

[wet pawn]

I love hestia but my favorite build doesn't use hestia lmao

[gentle widget]

hera?

[spiral wadi]

hera is mega busted lmaoo

[gentle widget]

i dont think she does much beside torch builds

her omega bonus dmg shock is the only real damage she provide

well the hitch mana burn duo

[spiral wadi]

hera's main purpose is to hasten room clears, and hitch is really good especially with hereditary bane since it's an additive increase that's +40% with jeweled pom

like it literally makes fighting scylla way funnier

[gentle widget]

yea ok, i'm a surface enjoyer tho

[spiral wadi]

she usually won't be like ur main dmg output obv, but for room clears she's extremely busted

[gentle widget]

yea agree

[spiral wadi]

hitch also works vs prom and heracles if u bring knuckle bones

[opaque holly]

Persephone skull + Pom seems funny

[wet pawn]

It is

Max lvl 10 boons from the go

[opaque holly]

But Persephone is skewed to 1-2 bonus no?

Likelihood of +6 is low

But everything gets at least + 1?

[wet pawn]

Its low but you can get it

[junior trail]

epic +10 from the get go is crazy lmao

[wet pawn]

Heroic lmao

I already saw it happening. It's rare but you could get a lvl 10 boom

[spiral wadi]

true gambling never before seen

[wet pawn]

Then you get kings ransom lmao

Lvl 50 Zeus attack

[opaque holly]

That sounds spicy

I think I need to get some fundamentals down

Learn the big encounters

Charybdis annihilated me on the first go round

Ditto for Prometheus because I totally didn’t understand his little fire lane minigame

I’m figuring out Chronos maybe

[surreal hazel]

it's a 1.3x multiplier on what your legendary chance otherwise is, it's not meaningless but it doesn't justify Excellence

[opaque holly]

It seems kinda bad…it does virtually guarantee rare or better boons but that’s a small benefit

The legendary multiplier is on the base of 10% so you end up at 13%? It’s…barely noticeable no?

[junior trail]

also common > rare scaling isnt a big jump

also it might brick phial if you want a specific boon to be heroic, like heph blast for example

[tacit crow]

Guys I've heard supay can act as a rail is that right?

[spiral wadi]

lol wait is it not x1.5

[surreal hazel]

No. Nor is +50% the same as 1.5x for rares

[spiral wadi]

i mean i thought rares were additive for 50%

[surreal hazel]

Excellence turns the basic chance for rares from something like 20% to 70%. It makes legendaries go from 5% to 6.5%

[spiral wadi]

damn

[surreal hazel]

Per slot

[spiral wadi]

if only legendaries were worth getting

[junior trail]

exceptional and sanguinary are fun tho

[surreal hazel]

Surely you want shocking loss from the typhon endshop

[spiral wadi]

tru tru

[spiral wadi]

instant egg kill

[surreal hazel]

getting favour from chaos adds 10% legnedary chance iirc

so with excellece you now get an.... 19.5% legendary chance?

[rare crypt]

I need clarification on Froth - it can proc "indefinitely" within its 3-second duration, right? Considering the 25% chance, of course. Or do you have to re-apply it to be able to proc it again?

[junior trail]

To get Froth to deal damage, you have to reapply it, it only checks for the 25% damage chance once per application. So:

• If something like Tidal Ring applies Froth once, you only get one 25% chance for Froth to deal damage.
• But if you’re using something like Wave Strike/Flourish + Slippery Slope, where you’re hitting repeatedly, Froth gets reapplied multiple times, giving you multiple chances for the 25% damage proc.

That said, Froth has an internal cooldown of 0.6 seconds, so even if you’re hitting constantly, it won’t proc more than once every 0.6s.

It’s basically Temu Blitz. Instead of a damage threshold like Blitz, it’s RNG-based.

[rare crypt]

oh, so when you initially apply Froth it checks for the proc and then you have to re-apply it? Basically it either procs on the hit that applies Froth or it doesn't?

the internal cooldown is bs (doesn't sound good), ngl

that makes it so much worse than I thought it was

Aphrodite's Secret Crush seems like a thousand times better for a fast-rate weapon

[junior trail]

Exactly. That’s why if you have Hestia in your run, you’ll want to go for Vapor instead. The duo boon between Hestia and Poseidon converts Froth into Vapor, which applies a guaranteed DoT

[rare crypt]

Can you still apply Froth while it's vaporing?

[rugged moon]

Its not a single chance to proc froth

Its every hit within 3s has a chance

[junior trail]

iirc yes

[rare crypt]

oh wait, what's the base damage of Froth? And what damage multipliers can affect it?

[junior trail]

^its for tidal ring, it only applies froth once per cast

[rare crypt]

Are you sure that's how it works? wouldn't regular strikes (with no froth) against a frotthed target still proc it?

[rugged moon]

It applies it once. You still have 3s where each hit can make it trigger

[rare crypt]

but it has a 0.6 seconds internal cooldown, right?

[rugged moon]

Correct i believe

50

[rare crypt]

right, slippery slope was already multiplying it in the tooltip

I assume only the Furies and Origination can affect Froth's damage, or can they not?

[junior trail]

wait its incorrect, actually it works like this

Once it’s applied, every hit on a Froth-affected enemy has a 25% chance to trigger Froth damage, not just the initial application. So you don’t need to reapply it to get that chance again. Just keep hitting the enemy while Froth is active

[rare crypt]

yeah yeah, I got it

just how I assumed it worked in the first place

so far the only thing I didn't know about was the internal cooldown

[junior trail]

yup 0.6 sec

[rare crypt]

so on something like Hel, which I believe hits 22 times during Valkyrie (over 3 seconds) you'd only proc it like 5 times (with Slippery Slope), right?

[junior trail]

also olympian dmg stuff, like extended family and rallying cry

[junior trail]

yupyup

[rugged moon]

Anything “global”

And anything olympian

[rare crypt]

okay, so I was wrong, that's still like 300 damage from Froth compared to aphrodite's secret crush adding 110

[rugged moon]

Anything that already was happy with pos attack is very happy with froth

Can somewhat consider it a 12.5 damage per hit

[opaque holly]

What weapons like Poseidon attack/special? low damage high speed?

[rare crypt]

would be 15, technically, with slippery slope

[rugged moon]

Yeah

Depends on rarity but yes its also almost twice that by base because 80% global just from arcana

I was talking about its base damage before increases

[rare crypt]

fair fair

im crafting myself a hel on-hit build, but i needed confirmation on a few things

what's static shock's cooldown? cause I know that thing don't proc on every hit

[junior trail]

rapid/mirrored thrasher staff, attack spam blades, pan o.special, torches attack/o.special, mel/mom skull attack and hel valkyrie mode, etc etc

[rugged moon]

Yes. It also works well with non-scorch fast triggers like zues cast.

[opaque holly]

Hmm. From arcana alone you can get 50% (Huntress) 50% (Origination) 30% (Furies) and 20% (Strength) on your attack and special…so effectively 150% damage to start.

Is stuff like Poseidon that much worse than a % boon like Aphrodite/Apollo?

[rugged moon]

Huntress is not global

[rare crypt]

huntress and strength are additive, im pretty sure

[opaque holly]

I’m talking attack special

Ya add those numbers up and you get 150%

[rare crypt]

origination and the furies are global, though

[rugged moon]

Sure but three of those also apply to pos

Strength is too

[static badger]

24 fear surface is done now I just have one left

[opaque holly]

Which actually proves my point more… What I’m trying to say is that recommendations I’ve seen suggest avoiding Poseidon on say Mel Staff, taking % damage like Aphrodite etc instead

Based on this math, it doesn’t seem like the difference is quite as large

[rugged moon]

On mel staff special % is better

[opaque holly]

It’s better, but not necessarily heaven and earth better is my point

[rugged moon]

Mel staff special hits for 80 damage. A 100% damage increase is adding 80 damage

[opaque holly]

So if you get screwed on a fate whim run it’s not terrible

[rugged moon]

A 100% global on froth is adding 25 damage a hit

[rare crypt]

nah, poseidon's amazing on fast rate weapons, but pretty trash on high-damage slow weapons

[brazen echo]

Yeah but who cares what you get on pom anyway

+4 brute forces every build

[rugged moon]

It depends on the base damage

% increases on high base damage will outscale flat by a lot

[opaque holly]

Mel staff 80 with 150% from arcana hits for 200 without any other stuff.

Take a 100% special and you get it to 280

Take Poseidon and you get to 200 + wave so 250?

250 and 280 are not massively different

[tawny python]

what the gameplay of aspect of medeia? one skull and dash? or dash after full skull?

[junior trail]

its kinda sick with dashing heave spam tho

[opaque holly]

am I completely out to lunch?

[rugged moon]

Not dash but special and yoi got it right

[static badger]

[brazen echo]

You’re forgetting the fact that you have to get two additional boons to reach 250 too (froth and wave)

[junior trail]

attack > special > attack > special zip zap

[rugged moon]

Technicaly only one in cast is option

[brazen echo]

Not to mention you might not even want to use wave omega attacks on mel staff anyway

[static badger]

take Poseidon for water fitness and zeus for wispy wiles

[opaque holly]

Mm point. Getting to origination is not trivial

[static badger]

you might have to do more work with less numbers

[opaque holly]

That is an assumption

[brazen echo]

Froth lasts like 3 second no? At that point your froth uptime is just terrible assuming you dont Ocast

Hell even if you do Ocast

[rugged moon]

Cast lasts 3 seconds

You can reapply it eaxh time

[static badger]

Froth and scorch

froth and blitz

[rugged moon]

Scorch can not trigger froth

[static badger]

no what is it steam

[rugged moon]

Scalding Vapor

[static badger]

ah yes

[rare crypt]

btw u keep telling me Strength is a global multiplier, it is not

[rugged moon]

Is great

[static badger]

scalding vapour

[rare crypt]

Strength is additive

[rugged moon]

All % are additive

[static badger]

If I had no arcana I'd just be praying for judgement to get strength

thank God for the piggy

[rugged moon]

I said it was global not global multiplier

[brazen echo]

And then judgement gives you death on the same card draw

[static badger]

that actually happened lol

oh well athena

you have to get used to the less numbers

[rare crypt]

wait, ur telling me even Origination isn't multiplicative?

[rugged moon]

Corrext

All % damage is additive

[static badger]

this ain't Diablo 3

[rare crypt]

It's not Path of Exile either

[static badger]

it teaches me what I can/want to handle in difficulty though

there aren't many games like that that really give you customization without it being shameful somehow

[viral yew]

Or balders gate 3

[rugged moon]

As viggy kinda got on to. One of the benefits of flat damage is you get to double dip global % increases

[rare crypt]

Does anyone know Static Shock's cooldown?

[static badger]

aren't those usually in fractions of a second

barring that, like almost every cool down it's between like .1 and 10 seconds

[opaque holly]

Say I hypothetically have a Mel staff run where I get opener Poseidon. Should I take neither the attack nor special to leave those slots open and pick literally anything else? And pray for a better god in future doors?

[static badger]

depends on your fear

[opaque holly]

Trying to learn decision making a bit

[static badger]

what you should do will change based on how you've set up the game

[rugged moon]

With mel you probably can because the base is good enough you can clear a lot boonless. Althoigh attack is not a bad optipn

[junior trail]

cap at 3 chain-lightnings every 0.75 sec iirc
still a lot tho

[opaque holly]

I haven’t even unlocked fear yet. But I also haven’t won a run yet. So I am truly terrible at this game

[static badger]

oh

[rugged moon]

I wouldnt take special but id be fine with pos attack

[opaque holly]

I’m on vacation away from home so can’t play for a month

Been reading and watching videos instead

[static badger]

you just need to make a plan

[rare crypt]

so, I can essentially think of it as a 0.25 seconds cooldown?

[tawny python]

what the best build for aspect of the medeia

afrodite?

[static badger]

the most important thing is how you approach each boss

[opaque holly]

I’ve pretty consistently made it to Tartarus now on most runs

[static badger]

you have to expose yourself to their attack patterns so you know when and where you're able to punish them

[opaque holly]

Hecate is super chill, scylla is much more manageable, and I feel okay with doggo

[junior trail]

pretty much yeah, if your hits are landing consistently

[opaque holly]

Chronos is sadface

[static badger]

Chronos has a couple fast and rough attacks

[opaque holly]

Feel like I lose a ton of hp to phase 1

[static badger]

however there are several moments where he's vulnerable

[opaque holly]

I dash into hits

[static badger]

anticipate how he throws his scythe

he makes a different movement when he dashes

and another one for when he teleports or uses rings

you can dodge into the sweeping cut attack, but as he loses HP you'll have to do so in different directions multiple times

one could be a dash

you still should dodge in and around and wait for when you can attack without having to react

[opaque holly]

Ya I haven’t made it to him often enough to see his moves lol

[static badger]

there's a couple phases

[opaque holly]

Just the last few runs

[chilly sonnet]

chronos was hard until i understood the instant kill move

[opaque holly]

I also try to alternate uw and surface runs even if I lose, to keep variety

[junior trail]

zeus special
% dmg attack (hera/aphro/apol/deme/ares), if ares you can aim for heinous/light smite (if lucky)
hestia cast for thermal (if lucky), or tidal for killer (if lucky)

[static badger]

you want to be able to come into the fight with as much health as possible

using strength will help make those hit points count more

[rare crypt]

Y'all have any tips for Thanatos axe? Every time I stack the passive and try to fully charge the Omega Attack I just get hit. Am I supposed to not have Frenzy activated with that Aspect or what?

[static badger]

I found Thanatos to be way too unwieldy

[loud rampart]

Can Judgement activate the Reroll arcana? ||or is it a safe roll to use it paired with a Fates whim keepsake?||

[rare crypt]

Don't get me wrong, it's fine just slapping Aphrodite Strike and spamming Attack the whole run, but that's like using half the Aspect

[static badger]

if it activates, you will lose it

I've had it happen 2 runs ago

[loud rampart]

k, so it can happen. thanks

[static badger]

I use those at the start of the run if I'm running judgement

pick up important stuff first

[feral marsh]

||It's safe with judgment and fates.||

||If you have fates, you can't get rerolls but otherwise you can.||

[static badger]

maybe it was the pig keepsake that did it to me then

[feral marsh]

Could be, I'm not quite sure but the source from gdoc is solid.

[surreal stratus]

Can anyone reccomend some more op builds like medea skull blitz?

[proper pendant]

What boons should you go for on medea other than special blitz, especially for boss damage? I cleared all the floors pretty fast but died to chronos, took too much damage from being up in his face but not killing him fast enough

[feral marsh]

Aspect of circea, zeus cast, win.

[static badger]

could always use more lightning

[loud rampart]

wanna make sure i understand, the judgement arcana cannot activate other arcana that gives you rerolls, is that correct

[junior trail]

Aspect of charon, rare lucid gain (or common with a few pom), win.

[obtuse roost]

How does perse aspect work? I don't get it, the sprouted description is very poor

[feral marsh]

||According to the gdoc guide, if you start with judgment and a fate relic, the judgement arcana wont activate any reroll arcanas. But if you use a non fate relic, then judgement can activate anything including rerolls.||

[surreal stratus]

what is win?

[feral marsh]

Death to chronos.

[surreal stratus]

oh so just a win, no acronym :DDd

[feral marsh]

Sprouted means your omega special lasts longer. Since you can direct it as well, you zoom through the room.

[loud rampart]

so as long as i use only fate keepsakes then i dont need to worry?

[feral marsh]

Yup

[loud rampart]

dandy, thanks

[feral marsh]

I think taking only one would protect you for the whole run, but I don't have that answer for sure.

[obtuse roost]

What makes it extend? Description says damaging effects from gods but how does it work? Is it number of dmg effects i applied before the special?

[loud rampart]

k, thanks

[feral marsh]

Some stuff counts as olympian damage. Think hepaestus blast procs, waves... Anything that's not a percent increase to your base damage, except ares for some reason.

[obtuse roost]

And that has to come from sources other than special? Cuz i have poseidon flourish rn and i don't think it's working

[feral marsh]

You need to deal 2000 or so "olympian damage", and then your next omega special is extended.

[obtuse roost]

Also does blitz need to proc to count?

Oh it's a threshold, i see, it doesn't say that anywhere

[feral marsh]

Yes. I dunno about the special source.

The best way is a big percentage on your special and big added damage on attack, like hepha or something.

[surreal hazel]

The somewhat lazy shorthand for "Olympian Damage" is if the damage text is coloured to something that isn't white or dark green

it's not quite right, but it's most of it

[chilly stag]

which staff aspect do you guys use the most

[glass bone]

Circe Staff, though for power, Mel Staff is extremely close, and Anubis isn’t far behind to the former two

[steep galleon]

Mel and Circe are both powerful and easy to use

[surreal hazel]

Momus is one of these aspects that's actually really good yet crowded out by three incredibly good options

imagine that omega-repeater effect on any other base weapon

(okay maybe not torches since that wouldn't work very well at all)

[surreal hazel]

Tidal ring will repeatedly reapply froth every tick, so uhhh

[junior trail]

Yeah ik I’m the wrong here

Tidal is pog

[uncut thistle]

Okay is there some kind of secret weighting for the Chaos Above/Below trials? I've gotten 3 times in a row now where every other roll of the seed was Aspect of Charon + starting with a Hera boon 😭

[nova raven]

i've played those a fair bit and i don't think there's any secrets to them

sometimes you just get (un)lucky

[viral yew]

Nah either you're not rerolling or very lucky/unlucky

[uncut thistle]

No way I'm not rerolling because the pattern's been Charon -> Melinoe Staff -> Charon -> Artemis -> Perspehone -> Charon

[nova raven]

charon is pretty good

same as mel staff

[uncut thistle]

Oh yeah no not complaining

My Mel staff run just got screwed because my d key decided to stop working at Typhon

Working on achievement clearing now and trying to get Improbable Outcomes done. Successful each time with my Charon runs, but the other ones have been rough lmao

[warm latch]

on the topic of mel staff i just got record keeper... witches staff my most used weapon, at 13 uses, then a whopping 0 clears.
right after that thu i got 8 uses of umbral flame and 6 clears. ( so 75% clear rate)

I really need to get better with the staff lol, but in all fairness to myself i basically have not used it since the beginning of the game.

[dim flame]

do artemis and athena (using her keepsake) just not appear during the || kill chronos run, where hecate is gone|| ?

[viral yew]

Npc's dont spawn in that specific run

[dim flame]

ive gotten region npcs, and nemesis, just not the two olympians

[viral yew]

Artemis is random, do u have dd effects on at all then?

[dim flame]

nope, strength

[viral yew]

Either that or region ones can spawn and other ones cant

[dim flame]

maybe im just really unlucky at the moment for some reason

[uncut thistle]

I absolutely love ||Anubis|| and Circe staff but yeah I've basically never used the staff in any kind of standard set up

[digital juniper]

i think athena is scripted not to show up on the final run

even if you do equip her keepsake

[dim flame]

it feels that way

[digital juniper]

not sure about arty

[dim flame]

kinda funny i would have thought that this would be the point where if anything theyd definetely be able to give you a hand lmao

[nova raven]

the trick to using mel staff is to never use any of the omegas, unless you want to spend your magick for the huntress arcana

[digital juniper]

could be the same reason why it’s a midshop instead of echo, mel is so locked in she doesn’t speak a single word until the final confrontation

[gentle widget]

but bro the omegas are good when well built

you just have to play it on keyboard and mouse

[nova raven]

they're too slow to use, just proc'ing origination with the regular attack/special attack combo is faster and safer on most fear configs

[gentle widget]

controllers have bad manuals for staff

[dim flame]

mel staff omega is bad until you get double special hammer and apollo legendary

just one of them really, you dont even need both

[nova raven]

aiming is not the issue, omega attack speed is

[gentle widget]

which aspect were u dissing

[digital juniper]

ospecial’s channel speed with sorceress is decent

[gentle widget]

[digital juniper]

with dual moonshot it’s good damage if you got a big % boon on it

[nova raven]

dissing? Mel staff might be the best weapon in the game, with the caviat of not using omegas

[uncut thistle]

Ngl, it just feels really clunky. Genuinely not sure how to build it

[gentle widget]

its a nice snipe and smash weapon yes, and the omega builds are limited, doesnt mean the omega is never worth dude

[gentle widget]

you invert your attack and special button, and smash the special attack

[gentle widget]

i thought you were discussing staves in general tho

[nova raven]

what? i love every staff aspect except for momus

they're probably the best overall weapon

[uncut thistle]

Man. I really wanted to like Momus but man they need to make the snakes at least vaguely try to aim

[gentle widget]

i have no love for mel staff simply because its a small snipe smash

its like playing medea but u stand in one place

[nova raven]

you should try the hidden aspect, it's basically momus but better

[digital juniper]

yeah 3/4 of the staff aspects are top tier

[uncut thistle]

Oh yeah no the hidden staff aspect is my favorite aspect lmao. It's the one I finished the final vow of rivals boss on (Typhon, who I was stuck on for nearly 6 hours straight just doing back to back runs )

[viral yew]

It's one of the best aspects tho

[gentle widget]

yea i figure cause boated cleared max fear with it

[uncut thistle]

Tbf, you can admit something's the best and still dislike it

[digital juniper]

momus is good, just play it aspectless

[nova raven]

for sure

[uncut thistle]

I hate Medea because I find it clunky and boring

[viral yew]

I love medea because triple dash

[gentle widget]

if u have a gaming mouse you can make it click special and attack on the same button

its the first step to medea high fear, build a macro

[digital juniper]

i love medea because biiig damage

[viral yew]

I love my controller too much

[digital juniper]

not at all lmao

you still need to buffer attack and special

[uncut thistle]

My choice for big numbers is Shiva

[gentle widget]

i said first step bro

[viral yew]

REAL

[uncut thistle]

[digital juniper]

no im saying no high fear runner uses any sort of macro for medea

[gentle widget]

its not cheating why would anyone ever tell u about it

u simply just short the attack > special clicks to one click

[digital juniper]

try running medea and clicking both at the same time, it won’t work

there needs to be the slightest of buffers between them

[glossy rivet]

Does morrgigan have a delay now for attack and omega attack?

[viral yew]

No, it's just slower than normal blades

[gentle widget]

ah yea i mean if you're making one you would know, the idea is one click

[glass bone]

Yes, I think. There was some change in Patch 11 where it takes longer to go from Dash Attack to OAttack iirc

[uncut thistle]

But god does both attacks in the normal being spins feel so much better than the multiple stabs of the regular daggers

[glass bone]

Esser / Loose Cannon has a video about Morrigan discussing that, and I don’t think 1.0 changed that aspect of Morrigan

[digital juniper]

no i just run the aspect and know if you click both attack and special at the same time it won’t work

[gentle widget]

i only got 10 runs something of medea in the bag, not a fan because i dont enjoy aiming constantly

but if i decided to push for it i would make a shortcut first

its kinda draining to click twice every attack

really really draining

[uncut thistle]

This is why Anubis staff is peak you just need to hold left click and q every 5 seconds and you're set

[gentle widget]

you still have cast on Q????

how are you gonna move left and cast at the same time bro

[uncut thistle]

I technically have it bound to my side mouse button but it's easier to type Q

I actually did have it bound to Q for around 200 hours of game time, and only rebound it after I discovered Morrigan lmao

[digital juniper]

i still have cast on rmb and special on side mouse button due to h1 muscle memory

[brazen echo]

You know what doesn’t need to be aimed?

That’s right THE GOAT NERGAL BAYBEEEEE

[rare crypt]

I usually play on controller, but I used Shift for Cast in Hades 1 (whenever i was on MnK), iirc

[digital juniper]

just spin2win ez

[digital juniper]

shift sounds interesting, i can see why one would do that though. did you have special on rmb?

[rare crypt]

yep

[gentle widget]

i have dash on shift cast on space and lmb atk rmb spec

[rare crypt]

lmao, very similar to mine, except cast and dash are the other way around xD

[gentle widget]

my first 100hrs into the game i was throwing away the special button and had cast on my rmb

cause seriously the number of times it was ever worth clicking special was close to non existing, even now

it was until medea,anubis that i started using the special button

[rare crypt]

btw, Air Quality doesn't benefit from ANY damage multipliers, right? it's literally like a last check "does my Attack deal less than 50 damage, if so apply Air Quality and make it 50" in the damage formula, correct? Or can it at least crit?

[digital juniper]

that’s how it works yes, and no it can’t crit iirc

[rare crypt]

when I first started playing Hades 2 I was immediately drawn to the daggers, but they felt kinda unwieldy until I started putting Demeter on Special and just freezing the enemies before I combo'd them. So I started using the Special from the pretty early in my "career".

the daggers still feel kinda weird, like the lock you into specific animations/directions very oddly

[gentle widget]

lol, how many nights do you have now

[rare crypt]

Oh, only a hundred or so, im still in my first 100 hours, lmao. I didn't play hades 2 in early access. But I did play the hell out of Hades 1.

[uncut thistle]

Daggers make me really sad. I absolutely love dual weapons in just about any game, and daggers absolutely look like they'd be the hyper close range, hyper mobile weapon, but they're somehow only surpassed in clunkiness by the axe

[viral yew]

They're definitely the weakest weapon overall, with the exception of morrigan

[rare crypt]

SAME! literally same

[flint widget]

AND pan (with trick knives)

[viral yew]

SHUT UP

I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT

[uncut thistle]

I was so attached to pan prior to trying other weapons, then I did and I realize "wow. I've been missing out on a lot"

[flint widget]

chill im just rage baiting

[gentle widget]

clearly because when people starts doing high fear the foes greatly out number the daggers hit range so the kiting is tiring as hell

[uncut thistle]

I miss my Chiron bow :( Supergiant pls bring it back

[gentle widget]

but then again i think daggers is the most well paired with blitz

[rare crypt]

bows are my favorite weapons in video games, i lowkey disliked hades 2 the first 5hrs of playtime, until my bow withdrawal calmed down

[gentle widget]

literally nothing out paces it when you blitz smash, right?

[viral yew]

Eh, blitz works well with literally anything

[uncut thistle]

Lmfao mood. The bow and the Rail were the weapons I took everywhere in Hades 1

[rare crypt]

using the torches with blitz doesn't even feel like the same game to me, compared to other weapons (I have not used all aspects yet, ofc)

[gentle widget]

not mel axe or shiva

i havent even touched shiva, the idea of casting O.sp before smashing is so boring

[flint widget]

somebody won shiva 62 fear surface back in ea just rawdogging it with blitz attack and spamming attacks

[rare crypt]

I used the fists the most, after the bow, but I also used the rail a lot (3rd favorite). Then again Spear was my fastest clears and I hated that (but I enjoyed the spear).

[flint widget]

didn't even use the aspect

[gentle widget]

shiva is the one where u cast the bomb and jump in it for the buff right?

[uncut thistle]

Yep

Love that gameplay loop

[gentle widget]

but its even more clunky than mel axe no speed boon and daggers

[uncut thistle]

Excuse me no. The Coats are the smoothest weapon in the game

[gentle widget]

if so people would have made videos about it

[flint widget]

coats kinda suck tbh except for nyx

[uncut thistle]

YouTubers are dumb anyways so I'm right they're wrong

[rare crypt]

Black Coat feels so slow (attacking), even with mel aspect maxed out I barely feel a difference in attack speed

it's probably my biggest disappointment in this game, after artemis daggers

[gentle widget]

eh i like black coat blitz

but the stoic combo is really dumb

[uncut thistle]

Shiva with Apollo is

[flint widget]

coat with blitz specials and shimmering rockets with thermal d is so broken tho

[gentle widget]

yea thats chef's kiss

but then again its not great when you are fighting a pack

and alot of player skill check in dodging

[flint widget]

do any of yall actually use the block on the black coat

[uncut thistle]

Yes

[gentle widget]

how many nights do u have rn checkmate

[digital juniper]

coat has a block? /s

[uncut thistle]

It's how I got my first kill of Eris

[flint widget]

300+ i think

[gentle widget]

never

[rare crypt]

I do, but against very specific attacks

[digital juniper]

i really only play nyx and i almost never use oattack

[gentle widget]

wtf bro i'm 500+ and still only pushing 45-50 fears

[flint widget]

blocking just feels very clunky tbh

[gentle widget]

scar scares me

[flint widget]

id rather dodge than block

[digital juniper]

it’s also why i never play artemis

[obtuse roost]

Anything i might want to block is unlockable anyway

[gentle widget]

my gameplay probably ends at no mana and 2 barrier curse

[flint widget]

hubris is easy to play with tbh

[gentle widget]

60% mob attack and no healing, no graps, boon penalty is too much

no fun in that

[flint widget]

it wasn't fun for me at first

[digital juniper]

aye everyone should play the game how they like

i find fun in the added challenge and difficulty of fear, although i’m still working towards high fear

[flint widget]

and it still isn't unless i play like a god

[gentle widget]

iirc u get full money purging onions now with chronos keepsake right?

[uncut thistle]

150 gold, ye

[gentle widget]

oh thats not full money

[flint widget]

but if u can beat 50 fear or higher u have potential to beat 62 is what i believe

[gentle widget]

[digital juniper]

alternatively just play charon eh

[uncut thistle]

Tbf, idk what full money meant

[digital juniper]

no wait your 62 was mel staff i forgot

[gentle widget]

loke there is a vow that turns your first boon to onion

a boon is 400gold

[uncut thistle]

Ah that's what you meant. Yeah nah don't think that's changed

[lean crypt]

if night or a chaos boon boost my omega cast damage/crit, does that only apply to the actual damage burst at the end of the cast, or do cast boons like zeus also get boosted?

[viral yew]

I can confirm it works well with both

[uneven palm]

Blitz always good

Axes you can do funny stuff with Seething Marauder and all the global damage arcana so a standing attack applies and pops blitz in one swing

[rare crypt]

really? I was told blitz can't be popped by the damage of the hit that applies it

[uneven palm]

Seething Marauder adds another thing with 60 power

[rare crypt]

oh, i see

I wish Psychic Whirlwind was a weapon aspect, not a hammer, tbh

[sacred storm]

kid named eos:

(the joke is that inverted spark used to be eos's unique gimmick)

[rare crypt]

Killer Current doesn't affect Static Shock, right?

[sacred storm]

i think it does actually but i'm not completely certain

[uneven palm]

It does.

Not much since Static Shock is pretty low power

[rare crypt]

yeah, but static shock + master conductor + electric overload + killer current on a fast weapon (like Hel) might be decent, no?

if Killer Current actually affects Static shock, ofc

[uneven palm]

It’d be decent yeah

[sacred storm]

my favorite aspect for that specific setup is mel coat. poseidon attack + froth, static shock, zeus and heph wherever you need them for prereqs. no magic needed so static shock's priming doesn't even hurt. just run around and punch things.

oh and ares for arterial spray

[rare crypt]

anyone know black coat's attack speed?

[sacred storm]

mel coat has a bonus to attack speed that i can't recall the value of offhand

[rare crypt]

i meant like how many attacks per second does it actually do (with the bonus)

cause Hel hits like 7 times a second (from my little tests)

[sacred storm]

oh lol. idk but...a lot? there's also a few hammers that can help, plus nimble limbs from hermes.

exhaust riser is goated

[edgy nacelle]

might also be nice with king’s ransom
all those % boosts to chain lightning damage will just stack additively, but amping up the base power a ton with pom levels would make them do a lot more.
in general static shock is just fantastic tho, and air quality is an option too (altho not one to mix with killer current rly)

[rare crypt]

oh yeah, i was gonna do king's ransom static shock, thanks for reminding me!

[lean crypt]

anyone know?

[sacred storm]

omega cast is specifically the burst at the end

it might apply to meat grinder/prominence flare but i doubt it

[stray notch]

I need a specific Selene boon for a duo, can i reroll it or change it somehow?
Or the hexes are fixed?

[uneven palm]

Chaos boosts both, Night only crits on the eruption at the end

[sacred storm]

can't reroll hexes sadface

[severe vortex]

If a boon use the omega keyword it should specifically affect only the omega part and not the basic part

[severe vortex]

If you mean duo hex upgrade, try getting a boon from the target god before the hex, or his trinket

All hexes have a specific god attributed iirc

[sacred storm]

correct, each hex has a specific god for its godsent version and there's no gaps or overlap

(makes me wonder if that was planned from the start or just fortunate)

[tall notch]

That was so sick, i wish we actually just made Mel torch do that instead of the crit thing

[sacred storm]

disagree, i don't like inverted spark as a hammer and i didn't like it as an aspect gimmick

[tall notch]

Attack-oriented Mel torch is like unplayable vs wards 2 unless you have that hammer or highroll some other way of dealing with wards

It was PEAK

[uneven palm]

Inverted on Mel is better if you think of it as “now attacks pierce” and mostly ignore the dashing part

[rare crypt]

Mutual Destruction's global, right?

Grievous Blow, too?

[junior trail]

inverted is quite handy with wards

[tall notch]

It's good for attacks piercing and the dashing part is still very cool, I love it

May seed an inverted start if I'm playing Mel torch 62f

[steep galleon]

Idk I liked old Eos

[junior trail]

yup (+grievous), except for scorch

man i miss prime hp

[surreal hazel]

there's a few things it can't double

and it's a different list to crits, but it's fringe stuff

[rare crypt]

mostly interested in using it as a supplement to an on-hit build, so poseidon froth, static shock from zeus, arterial spray, etc.

[surreal hazel]

The only things that can't crit are:
Triad
Zeus Legendary
Reckless Abandon (dio)
Incandescent Aura
Scorch
Freezer Burn

The only things that can't be affected by Ares Double Damage are:
Triad
Zeus legendary
Reckless Abandon (dio)
Scorch

The only things that can't be affected by Air Quality is:
Scorch``` Credit to Hippo on the speedrun 'cord

for some reason incandescent aura and freezerburn can double but not triple

[sacred storm]

wait, reckless abandon gets bumped up to 50 minimum by air quality?

[junior trail]

triad and reckless are obvious enough

[surreal hazel]

even nibbling a witch's ankle as a sheep can be brought to 50

and hitch is weird with AQ and basically doesn't work

[sacred storm]

i guess with how weird it is as a boon i figured it would be exempt from that calc

[tall notch]

Aq sheep meta let's go, people will play fangs 2 to get sheeped in rooms too

[surreal hazel]

getting AQ in erebus, ez, do it every run

[sacred storm]

can you even get 5 air in erebus without chaos helping?

[surreal hazel]

it's only five air, how hard can that be?

[surreal hazel]

that's the most reasonable way to do it

[junior trail]

zeus and aphro romantic pipeline ig

[surreal hazel]

I guess if you get zeus, aphrodite and apollo going early and dump your artificier too?

[sacred storm]

oh speaking of chaos there was a discussion a while ago about whether the embryo could roll chant and it did in ea but i wasn't certain that was still true in 1.0. i can now confirm it is, it gave me chant yesterday.

[surreal hazel]

it can do but won't unless you have Aether

[sacred storm]

well yes

[tall notch]

Theoretically it's possible. Zeus, Aphro, Apollo, Hermes, picking up some resources and Artemis all give air

[rare crypt]

what does Premium Service do to Morrigan?

[lean crypt]

oh hey vow of menace makes rivals cerberus easier

[sacred storm]

increases triad damage i think

[rare crypt]

i meant like, what's the number you get to

[surreal hazel]

Rank 6 morrigan is 999

identical to that one hammer that adds 222

[lean crypt]

f*ck the bomber skeletons
all my homies hate the bomber skeletons

[rare crypt]

can the hammer be applied on top?

[surreal hazel]

sure

[lean crypt]

yes but then the number isn't cool anymore

[sacred storm]

so that would be 1221 triad damage w/ hammer and premium service combined?

[lean crypt]

i'd rather have 999 damage

[surreal hazel]

and add the hammer to give a 35% double trigger for silly damage on enemies that are already dead

[junior trail]

i get that freezer is nuke but why aura

[surreal hazel]

I have no idea

[uncut thistle]

Does anyone know if undoing a night count as a loss for the purposes of the Improbable Outcomes prophecy?

[twilit tendon]

is there a good early run build to beat up ||zag|| ? he's currently on my Evil Eye so I tend to take it in Oceanus

[nova raven]

||medea skull|| just absolutely wrecks him in my experience, it's like his ai wasn't tested for that weapon

builds don't even matter, ||zag || can't land a hit on me when i use it

[twilit tendon]

really ? lol

[nova raven]

if you're quick enough with that weapon, he can't do anything

[twilit tendon]

I beat him once with Moros torches because he froze for a while after I cast my hex (can't remember which one it was)

haven't played skull in a while since i'm done with the testament of night for that weapon, but i'll definitely give it a shot

[rare brook]

But he hits like a truck, so it's dangerous to be near Zag

[twilit tendon]

also never EVER try it with nergal in erebus lmao

[flint widget]

unless if u get psychic whirlwind

[nova raven]

every time i've used that weapon, he never even hit me once
it feels like his programming gets stuck

i've tried it more than once

[rare brook]

I would like to see some example of that 🤔

[uncut thistle]

Got White Antler on my Chaos Above run in Olympus. I want to die.

[twilit tendon]

glhf

[nova raven]

he can hit you if you're not dashing back and forth on your special, ohterwise he doesn't do much for some reason
i don't really do that fight anymore since i'm aiming for high heat now, but i might record it next time i'm there

[twilit tendon]

that's why you play DDs and not strength

so you can tank a hit with white antler

[nova raven]

happened to me on greater chaos below on the very last region, i lost instantly

[uncut thistle]

I did. I'm down to 1 DD at Prometheus because of the goddamn sniper machine gun automatons smacking me 😭

[twilit tendon]

bruh rip

[flint widget]

relatable

[twilit tendon]

almost lost a DD to VoW eris because of that

stupid automaton was standing in the blazing corner of the arena

[flint widget]

if the automaton has the faster and invulnerable perk from max fangs? im cooked yo

lost a single dd cuz of that during my high fear circe run

still won tho so skill issue for the automaton

[uncut thistle]

yep there goes that run goddamnit I finally had something good going too. Finished my last run with Charon and finally got Medea this run and actually rolled Wide Grin 😭

[flint widget]

wide grin kinda sucks with medea

youre better off just going attack and special and repeat

[uncut thistle]

It's fine for me. I don't like the whole spamming back and forth playstyle of Medea

[flint widget]

well theres my answer

[uncut thistle]

I don't like Medea in general, but Wide Grin makes it tolerable lmao

[digital juniper]

i never even picked up wide grin on medea, does one click just load all 4 attacks?

[sacred storm]

yes

[uncut thistle]

Yep

Was just one click -> hit -> run

Actually managed to get Prometheus down to around 10% health. Just got screwed by Aetos

[flint widget]

im curious, what weapons/aspects do u usually play

[uncut thistle]

Staff (Anubis), Coat (Shiva), Daggers (Morrigan), Skull (Hel)

[steep galleon]

Wide grin is pretty bad on medea, ruins the flow

[flint widget]

oh ur a hidden aspect type of person

ur missing out

[nova raven]

hidden aspects are pretty goated in this game compared to h1

[flint widget]

yeah true

but circe staff tho

[uncut thistle]

Wasn't intended but ended up being so lmao. I do still enjoy Circe, Thanatos, and uhhhhhhh

[nova raven]

hel is the worst one, but it isn't even that bad, meanwhile h1 had enkidu

[sacred storm]

i've never fully vibed with reworked circe tbh

[uncut thistle]

Mel axe I think it was

[digital juniper]

same thing with melspects compared to zagspects, they’re so much better

[uncut thistle]

I actually really like Circe but man it kinda sucks without Zeus or Hestia cast lmao

[nova raven]

Melspects being some of the best in the game while every zag aspect save for the fists being low tier will never not be funny to me

[flint widget]

id say supay is the worst hidden aspect (if u have forfeit on)

supay without boons is just so bad

[sacred storm]

question for the channel: for a fates' whim run, which arcana do you think is more valuable: divinity or queen?

[digital juniper]

supay just starts out with absolutely no damage it’s so painful

[nova raven]

i like supay but it's the slowest aspect to get going

[uncut thistle]

Supay is rough. Honestly, all they'd need to change for me to fully enjoy it is actually make attack speed affect it

[digital juniper]

divinity imo, at fate’s whim it’s already hard to fish for duos so might aswell double down and go for divinity

[flint widget]

supay if u get a decent rush boon (breaker rush and heat rush are notable ones) is just so broken

[steep galleon]

Queen is impossible to fit for me, I'd have to run both strength and death to enable it

[sacred storm]

that's my current setup but i don't like it for that exact reason and also i can't fit both sorceress and wayward son so it feels kind of meh all around

[nova raven]

i prefer divinity

[sacred storm]

if i drop death that would give me extra grasp to fill out the center column but then queen shuts off

[steep galleon]

This is on fates' whim setup btw. I haven't tried to fit it on a reroll corner setup

[sacred storm]

(or drop strength, same difference)

[digital juniper]

queen is pretty easy to trigger with reroll corner

[sacred storm]

yeah if you're not doing fates' whim it's easy to activate queen, that's not the issue at hand

[steep galleon]

For the most part I haven't found duos troublesome to get so there is no real need for me to fit it honestly

And running death and strength is not worth it for me

[uncut thistle]

Actually, now that it's been mentioned, honestly, reason I mainly run those 4 hidden aspects is primarily because I feel like they're more flexible in terms of potential boon set ups compared to the standard aspects

[sacred storm]

related, random thought: since athena's keepsake counts against fates' whim, there's slightly less incentive to run strength

[steep galleon]

I think most weapons are pretty flexible on the whole, pom meta is a testament to this

[sacred storm]

i agree on a basic level but there's also the fact that four free levels on every boon you take is really freaking strong

you can make a lot of subpar stuff work that way

[steep galleon]

I'd still consider taking athena if I lose all dd's by region 3, by that point you shouldn't lose much by losing fates whim

[digital juniper]

if i athena its usually in fields and at that point jpom is not as impactful

[steep galleon]

That's true, though I did have this opinion even prior to running pom

[sacred storm]

no but i usually still have a few rarifies or purges from card/timepiece left by then so taking athena would waste any left

[digital juniper]

hell my last run i took ||zag fight|| in erebus, having no experience with him on frenzy so he took all 3 DDs, i took athena in oceanus and it still wasn’t bad

[uneven palm]

You also can’t roll Athena for Renewed

[sacred storm]

(i also just don't play at high enough fear for my survival/dd count to really be in question unless i REALLY mess up)

[uncut thistle]

I'm bad at the game so surviving is tough

[steep galleon]

Rivals Scylla can mess me up if I choke for no reason (and don't have much max hp)

[digital juniper]

just hit perfect rng 5head

i took stalwart and then lucked into survivex3 from echo

[glass bone]

This. I’ve actually done it in 3 of my 1.0 62s, 2 being Renewed Faith, and 1 being what Six said

[digital juniper]

it was clutch because i ate 577 damage from chronos because im still getting used to frenzy 2 UR chronos

[lime moth]

Chat, how the heck do the legendaries work? I basically completed the entire story, I am now trying to 100% the achievements. But only have ever gotten 1 legendary and it was literally in a chaos trial

[nova raven]

there are requirements to each one, you can look those up in game

[lime moth]

At 72% rn

[nova raven]

you can't just get them without having the prerequisites

other than that there's an arcana card that makes them appear more frequently

[lime moth]

Yeah, I know. I though they would work kinda like the Aids in Hades 1

[digital juniper]

nope, they work exactly like legendaries in H1

you need different certain boons from a god to get them as prerequisites, and then you have a chance to have it show up

the easiest way is to check the codex to see what exactly are the requirements

optionally you can also use a forget me not on it during the game, and i’tll show the icon on any prerequisite for that legendary

[steep galleon]

Btw does that get removed automatically when you finish the run or do you have to do it yourself?

[trail fern]

Hey guys, need some advice - doing a surface run with moros and Zeus keepsake and in ephyra I got hitch attack, blitz special, scorch cast and hestia gain, which let me then get hestia and Zeus duo (blitz damage causes scorch) and hestia and hera duo (restoring magick damages all hitched foes), and now I'm about to do Thessaly and I'm not sure what keepsake to use? What else should I go for? Should I try to replace hestia gain with hera perhaps? Or a different Olympian to make this even stronger?

[nova raven]

hera's gain is def better for what you've described, this build is pretty magick-hungry

[humble dagger]

Does purging Uncanny Fortitude remove the extra HP?

[digital juniper]

i’d say your build is pretty set, i wouldn’t take a god keepsake at all

depending on the rarity of your hestia gain, it might still be enough to upkeep your magick usage

you could go silver wheel for safety on magick, could do something like aromatic phial to turn one of your common boons heroic, or go with some sort of defensive keepsake even

[digital juniper]

the forget me nots on boons are run-specific, so yeah they do go after the run ends

[steep galleon]

That's great, I should utilize it more

[digital juniper]

but the ones on upgrades/incantations (that show you items you need) stay until you remove them manually or do the incantation/do the upgrade you need

[trail fern]

Unfortunately hestia's gain is common only

[steep galleon]

H2 really does deliver on some nice qol stuff that would have been good to have in H1

[digital juniper]

how many other common boons do you have? it might be worth it to gamble on using aromatic phial to upgrade it

[trail fern]

3 total

Hestia gain, scorch ring and hitch attack

[digital juniper]

honestly id go for it, even if you don’t get gain to upgrade, upgraded hitch attack or smolder ring are also very powerful

otherwise a safe option is the silver wheel, just straight up giving you extra max mana for the whole run, even after you remove it

[trail fern]

Sounds good - I've never used it before but it's the first fountain after using it, it'll upgrade something?

[trail fern]

Oh wow, that's handy! I didn't know it stayed even after you removed it

[digital juniper]

yeah, so what you want to do is switch your keepsake, and then you use the fountain, so you get the upgrade immediately

[trail fern]

Too late for this area unfortunately

I normally use the fountain first 😛

[digital juniper]

it’s okay, the next fountain will still upgrade your keepsake if you do plan on taking it

[trail fern]

Yeah, I'll take it and see what happens

[digital juniper]

oh yeah i do too, unless i plan ahead to use the aromatic phial

[trail fern]

Thanks for the suggestions, I'll see what I can make happen with this build!

[digital juniper]

it’s also worth it to get it upgraded because at max level, it takes a common boon all the way to heroic

[trail fern]

Wow, that's huge! Will do for sure then, thanks!

[surreal hazel]

Yes

That boon is not a one-off, it constantly adjusts how much hp it should be giving at any given point

[signal coral]

Wait actually?

[surreal hazel]

yes

[signal coral]

It had a different wording than the aphro boon so I just assumed it was a one time bonus

[surreal hazel]

Take uncanny fortitude, get a mana tonic, get more max hp

[surreal hazel]

It does work differently, but not like that

Aphrodite's Life Affirmation adds a multiplier to hp and mana caps in their entirity, even flat healing pickups get boosted

[signal coral]

Wtf

[surreal hazel]

whereas Uncanny Fortitude is kinda working like Water Fitness in that it says "Ah, you have this much max mana, therefore you get 0.2x that much as extra hp"

[signal coral]

I get more fountain healing with aphro?

[surreal hazel]

Fountain healing was always proportional to your max hp, so that just works like you expect

[signal coral]

What do you mean by flat healing gets boosted then?

Like the sandwiches from medea?

[surreal hazel]

yes

[signal coral]

Since most healing is % based as far as im aware

[surreal hazel]

or Warm Breeze

or even wayward son

And if you're wondering, yes, Life affirmation multipies your HP after water fitness and uncanny fortitude have done their thing

[trail fern]

Holy crap, my moros run from before just gave me a new pb clear time of 15:42 for the surface! My previous pb on the surface was 19:07 with medea, and my fastest ever run was an underworld 17:31 with the coat (somehow??) how exciting!

[digital juniper]

nice, GGs!

[shy moat]

when you do use it, get the boost at the first fountain, then make sure to drink the next area fountain before taking off the phial so you get the boosted healing from it

[trail fern]

ah, that's a good tip! thanks, i'll do that next time i use it!

[shy moat]

it's a small bonus but I always feel silly when I miss doing it 😄

[surreal hazel]

it will only upgrade a common boon you have btw

not just whatever it feels like

[trail fern]

could be cool early on to help force a boon then if i've only got a couple

[shy moat]

yep 🙂

I like to use it if I've got some common I really want upgraded, like to get a kick on a heph blast's effectiveness

[surreal hazel]

there's a fountain right in the middle of ephyra...

[trail fern]

yeah, i was hoping the fountain would hit the hestia gain but it hit my hitch attack which was fine, but then later at the summit i got a triple pom that i used on my hestia gain because i was slowly starting to drop magick, but then like 2 rooms later i got hera's heroic+3 level boon and all of a sudden i had hestia gain at heroic level 9 and was gaining 18 magick per hit

[shy moat]

funny how those things work out sometimes ><

[cobalt sonnet]

outta curiosity are there chaos trials for the hidden aspects?

[shy moat]

it's interesting to me that the artificer doesn't end fates whim

[surreal hazel]

it's still a random reward

[shy moat]

so is the result of the enchantress 😛

[nova raven]

it's not a reroll, so you can't do it more than once

[shy moat]

...also wow they don't really want you activating The Queen with Fates Whim do they

The only 4 costers are 3 death defy, bonus on no death defy (So those don't play very well together), and reroll boon offerings...

[azure notch]

does Gust count as a curse? I keep proccing Origination with only my cast if I have Arctic Gale but Gust isn't listed as a curse and it'd be weird if one god had 2 curse effects

[nova raven]

the idea of fate's whim is preventing you from forcing builds, artificer doesn't allow you to force anything so it's fair game

[shy moat]

it does, and you've found the one setup that gets origination from a single skill (cast)

[surreal hazel]

Yes, but it counts as the same curse as being frozen

[shy moat]

sure but you're still telling the fates "Screw you I don't want these bones" which is no longer solely at their whim 😄

[surreal hazel]

so you can't use both together to activate Origination

[shy moat]

it's not the same curse, but origination specifies curses from two different gods

[surreal hazel]

"Counts as"

[shy moat]

I suppose

[surreal hazel]

internally they get marked as the same curse for origination, and it's the only case in the game this happens

(well technically Doom counts as Wounds, but Doom is literally not usable in Hades 2 but they have it all set up to work correctly anyway)

[shy moat]

alternatively you could just say they're from the same god and then you don't risk confusion about if they can both apply at the same time or anything

[surreal hazel]

well okay, fair

[shy moat]

that was most of my concern on it ^^

[surreal hazel]

Stupid bug that's still in the game: Softness counts as an olympian curse

[shy moat]

...why are there so many good 1 cost arcana and so few good 4 cost

[surreal hazel]

Softness is caused by Total Eclipse, decidedly not olympian

Numbness does not count

[azure notch]

so it won't proc origination if I have Dem's cast, got it. Thanks for the tip

[shy moat]

inconsistency in how things function is my biggest complaint; there's a lot of weird quirks that make it so you can't just figure out how things are going to work based on how other things worked.

It says good things about the game that that's the biggest problem I have with it >.>

[surreal hazel]

my biggest gripe is that "+% faster" effects are both inconsistent and mostly wrong, mathematically

[shy moat]

I feel like that's basically the same issue as I have 😛

[surreal hazel]

but so many games get this wrong

if I do something 50% faster, I am doing things 1.5x as fast right?

All game devs: "Nah, it means you do it in 50% less time, so twice as fast"

[steep galleon]

For all the blades sh**t talking on here I still haven't had a single loss with artemis against vor chronos

[shy moat]

also all game devs: "I know we implemented it twice as fast, but it says 50% faster so we're going to balance for you doing 1.5 times the damage"

[digital juniper]

and it’s very rare that they use 50% less time between attacks, and just attribute it to “attack speed”

[shy moat]

yeah devs also often forget aftercast

[surreal hazel]

Rapid Thrasher literally says 50% faster and you attack twice as fast

[shy moat]

...well that makes it a lot better

[surreal hazel]

but Winner's circle says you cast 100% faster and it also means you cast twice as fast

[shy moat]

the phrasing is so inconsistent

enemies taking +X% damage should not be the same pool as you dealing +X% damage, but it is too 😐

[surreal hazel]

plasma says you move and strike +% faster and it's using the proper mathematical definition

but all hammers and other hermes effects are not

[shy moat]

I'd say that shows a split within SG for who was working on each

[surreal hazel]

sorceress says +30% faster omegas? what it means is you do omegas in 0.7x of the normal time

all function time bonuses are multiplicative btw

[shy moat]

that's probably for the best

Unrelated to the phrasing, but on the arcana topic; is there a particular reason to run Eternity other than more time to react?

[surreal hazel]

there was a bug that you could abuse for a while in EA with bridal glow to apply pom levels to hermes boons and it had... weird effects

[shy moat]

backwards projectiles I heard

[surreal hazel]

winner's circle got modified to make casts expire in negative time

which meant casts never expired at all

since the game was counting upwards to reach a smaller number than when it started counting

[digital juniper]

just hit the integer limit and then start counting down smh /s

[surreal hazel]

I dunno mang, might be waiting for floating point imprecision to break

[shy moat]

I'll check in after the heat death of the universe

[azure notch]

I have a couple questions about Circe's aspect for staff. Does Lucid Gain trigger twice? And is it considered better than Momus and Anubis?

[shy moat]

I believe Mel, Anubis and Circe are all considered about equally strong.

People hate on Momus 🙁

(I don't know the lucid gain answer)

[surreal hazel]

Good question

[signal coral]

Anubis is worse than mel and circe

Its not bad but mel and circe are two of the best aspects in the game

[static badger]

the more fear i run, the more I'm liking circes aspect

[spiral wadi]

ye high fear circe holds up extremely well

[shy moat]

something something high ranged indirect damage

[static badger]

Eris gets melted all the time

[tall notch]

It can open up windows to throw out omegas that you normally wouldn't have

[opal pecan]

How do you take advantage of Circe on Eris?

[static badger]

which is especially important when I have 2 timer on

you have two casts

[tall notch]

I'm particularly feeling that vs rivals bosses with Moros, not needing to get away to safety for ospecials is massive

[shy moat]

does it not slow you down too though?

Eternity seems like it slows everything including Mel

or you just mean it makes it easier to position safely in gaps

[static badger]

never use eternity

[tall notch]

The channel speed remains normal I'm like 95% sure

[opal pecan]

Wording says "everything" and not "everything else", tbf

[shy moat]

...the wordings aren't always accurate, is why I was curious if real use was different than it read haha

[tall notch]

https://youtu.be/Nce5Ak--1e8
You can take a look at this Moros run, carried by eternity

These ospec channels don't look slowed down to me

[opal pecan]

How uneasiness-inducing! Do you know any of the other misleading/incorrect wording traps offhand?

[tall notch]

Off the top of my head, nothing about the wording of either Raki or Success Rate says the crit from Raki wouldn't get affected yet that is the case

[shy moat]

it's mostly in things that are more precise than that, we were just discussing earlier how % faster isn't treated the same way (Some places it makes you take % less time, some places it makes you do things % faster)

[opal pecan]

Oh that's so mean D: I definitely have taken Success Rate while running Raki before, rip to that I guess

[shy moat]

my personal biggest pet peeve (Because it ruined a run and makes me afraid to take the hammer while using axe) is Hell Splitter: "Your Attack has +300 Power but the 3-strike sequence becomes only the final chop"

Attack normally includes dash attack. It does not include dash attack for Hell Splitter.

[opal pecan]

As a dash-attack enjoyer, that is even MEANER D::::

[tall notch]

Also that one is technically not wrong, but Excellence adds a 1.5 modifier to the base legendary chance as opposed to flat +50% chance which people often seem to think would be the case

[azure notch]

why would Mel be better than Momus? Especially for bosses who sit still like Typhon, you just get 2 free omega moves

[nova raven]

you don't use omega moves on mel staff

[shy moat]

adding +40 power on specials multiplies really well with other boosts

[nova raven]

and +40 on specials is a big deal

[shy moat]

tbh Mel should only be boosting its omega specials imo, and then it could be a stronger boost. It adds magick so it feels like that's the intent.

[nova raven]

Hell no, i love that staff but i don't like omega moves on staves at all

[shy moat]

that is, in fact, a you problem 😛

[tall notch]

Staff omegas are bad it's confirmed

[shy moat]

all that said, I love Momus and have had very successful runs with it.

It's just not broken the way Mel/Circe aspects are.

[opal pecan]

I enjoyed using Momus omega attacks on Charybdis :P

[tall notch]

If mel staff only boosted ospec it'd immediately go from arguably the best aspect in the game to awful

[shy moat]

kinda indicates a problem with ospec doesn't it

[tall notch]

It indicates a problem with staff omegas

[shy moat]

oattack is pretty good

[nova raven]

i think omega moves balancing in this game is off in general, they don't feel worth it on most weapons

[tall notch]

(except Anubis which does its own thing, those are aight)

[opal pecan]

Mel torches?

[nova raven]

and running an aspect that doesn't require magick feels hugely beneficial

[shy moat]

the inconsistencies on which ones you can dodge to trigger/resume feels really bad and hurts the balance too

[nova raven]

torches are kind of an exception

[tall notch]

This used to be worse in EA trust me 😭 omegas have gone a long way in terms of viability

[opal pecan]

I know all the cool kids are meh on coat but coat omega special kinda nice for spraying things around too

[glass bone]

I’d argue Mel Torches is an asterisk / exception to Torches themselves, because the builds are either

1. Reliant on OAttack’s fast attack with Fine Line and Ocean Swell (so not OAttack really)
2. Special spam with Huntress (no omegas at all)

[tall notch]

Coat has one good omega and that's the Nyx sprint

[shy moat]

Mel torches feel so unviable without those things, I hate using them

[opal pecan]

I did not enjoy Nyx sprint but that may be purely a keybind issue lmao

[glass bone]

Moros, and Eos obviously are reliant on Omegas, and Supay uses Night Cycling before the Rush boon is acquired.

[shy moat]

I don't have keybind issues with it and I didn't enjoy the nyx sprint either

[tall notch]

There is a third option of Hera atk + inverted spark but hammer reliance is cringe 😔

[shy moat]

also I think axe actually has pretty good omegas and likes using them in general

But the long pause to activate it is gonna screw it for high fear I'd imagine

[tall notch]

Idk if this has the damage for second half of high fear surface but on UW it works

[nova raven]

the entire thing with omega moves is just puzzling to me, because you can EITHER worry about priming too much magick/worry about having to find a good gain boon/worry about having enough time to cast your omegas on full frenzy OR you can just not do any of those things while also playing the strongest weapons in the game

[tall notch]

Oatk is good if you have psychic whirl, clunky without it

[shy moat]

yeah they needed to have a better baseline magick recovery to make omegas viable out of the gate

[glass bone]

Than and Nergal are reliant on Psychic Whirlwind, Mel Staff is a bit reliant on either PW or Dashing Heave, and Charon wants Giga or Sudden Cleaver, but doesn’t require it for UW at-least

[tall notch]

Have you considered treating omega moves as something powerful you can do X times per room before your magick runs out? The Huntress arcana supprts doing that

[nova raven]

but the thing is, they're not even that powerful to warrant giving them any thought at all

you just do them once to activate your huntress arcana and then forget they exist

[shy moat]

they have the built in drawback of having to charge, which already somewhat offsets the power you get from using them yeah

The magick cost on top of that...

having to burn 5 arcana points or a boon pick to get magick regen to make omegas spammable is ... a big cost, actually

[tall notch]

I'm glad that omegas exist, magick is cool and builds that take advantage of them do exist. My issues with omegas are less so with the system as a whole and more with specific moves being bad

[shy moat]

yeah, I like the idea. It's the implementation I think needs a bit more polish (budgeting primarily)

[steep galleon]

I don't spin with than personally

[glass bone]

Idk. On the one hand, due to ||Fates Whim||, it isn’t that bad to fit in Unseen. But for the weapons that can’t fit Unseen, and need a specific gain (such as Shiva), it is rough.

[steep galleon]

I only like oatk on Nergal

And Mel is the aspect of dashing heave

[tall notch]

You can just click Hecuba which buys you time until like Sirens to get a gain

[nova raven]

i'd say omegas make sense on torches, the rest of the weapons need to have a similarly seamless implementation

[shy moat]

I think it makes balancing the omegas harder when there's no base "You recover magick this way" that every build has access to

[tall notch]

If you can't get a gain 2 regions into the run it's kind of skill issue

[shy moat]

picking a gain is still a cost though

[steep galleon]

Yeah I generally don't vibe with omega heavy weapons

Aspect of Selene just sucks

[glass bone]

Does Hecuba really give enough for Shiva in the Rival Hecate fight?

[opal pecan]

How very dare

[nova raven]

I wish you could run omega weapons with gale, having to settle for hecuba doesn't feel great

[glass bone]

I agree, which is unfortunate cause it’s super unique (the one aspect with a unique hex).

[tall notch]

It gives enough to get past the fight by throwing out ospec atop of her most of the time and punching with your regular attack

[steep galleon]

I know right

[tall notch]

You may oom in final phase but that's like not the end of the world

[glass bone]

The problem is the design conflicts itself for one, and for 2, Skyfall isn’t super strong. Then at that point, you mind as well play Mel Coat

[tall notch]

If Selene was a torch aspect it'd be so good

[opal pecan]

It's okay Selene bb I'm here to support u

[glass bone]

For the former, the move wants you to use Omegas, but using Omegas means you can’t refund the Skyfall. For the latter, I’d rather take Lunar Ray as a damage, and most other hexes provide damage and utility.

Selene’s best hex node is the one where you ignore the hex altogether, and spam Omegas. Amazing

[opal pecan]

WDYM you can't refund the Skyfall

[tall notch]

Selene's biggest issue is that it wants you to actually use coat omegas

[glass bone]

When you use Skyfall, omega moves don’t refund the cost of Skyfall during its duration

[opal pecan]

Ah, sure.

[shy moat]

that's when you have to go punchy punchy

...because skyfall's range is stupidly small

[opal pecan]

IDK, I just don't feel like it's a huge issue, omega special on coat is fast. And yeah, during the actual hex activation I'm punching things.

[shy moat]

it does do quite a bit of damage, especially when upgraded

[opal pecan]

It's pretty cheap to upgrade fast on the Surface with the Hermes shrines too

[glass bone]

Or… I can take Lunar Ray Mel Coat. And spam Armor stacking for ||Unseen Ire value on both routes thanks to Jeweled Pom||

[opal pecan]

Mel coat is good, I don't dispute! although I don't love Ray, it's so much more comfortable to be able to walk around

[signal coral]

I mostly play the aspect as base coat and then use the hex for boss damage

[opal pecan]

*Not saying it's bad, mind you, I just don't like it.

[signal coral]

I tru to get the blues that make it deal more boss damage and make multiple hits deal more damage

[glass bone]

I wasn’t saying you were stating Mel Coat is bad. But what I do mean is, I’d rather take Mel Coat any day over Selene, and yet I’ve done Selene 53 UW

[signal coral]

The blues do good boss dps and dont increase the cost of the hex

For room clear I just treat it as bad Mel coat

[tall notch]

I did Selene 50f solely for the sake of completeness and just ignored the aspect entirely

[signal coral]

Though i find this playstyle really benefits from something like fine line to turn the hex on more frequently

[azure notch]

I'm always spamming omega special on coat. I think the base special kinda sucks meanwhile the omega special locks on quickly, does a ton of damage, and does that damage while you're attacking. I find myself never using the default special with coat. I usually go Flame Flourish or Wave Flourish so I can stack all the damage onto one target

[opal pecan]

You can do the normal special at the same time as your normal attack, right?

It feels that way, but maybe it's just fast.

[flint widget]

have u ever tried blitz specials with shimmering rockets on nyx coat

[shy moat]

default special just whiffs so often

[steep galleon]

I do agree that the ospecial is great

[opal pecan]

Love an omega move that channels almost instantly!

[shy moat]

the coat's block is hurt by needing to get the regular attack finished before oattack starts charging

and I'm aware that's how shield was in Hades 1; I never liked using it there, either

[opal pecan]

It should work differently! It's a coat!

[shy moat]

it really doesn't do anything coat-like.

It's gloves plus a rocket launcher backpack.

it doesn't feel like it fits the game at all to me haha

[opal pecan]

I mean.... Adamant Rail

[shy moat]

at least that's all a gun that could be reasonable to launch things, the coat's functions are all unrelated to each other

[opal pecan]

Nyx cosplay 👍

(I hope someone out there has drawn fanart of Melinoe doing Nyx cosplay.)

[shy moat]

if you told me, sight unseen, that there was a coat as a weapon in Hades 2 I would not expect that to mean "punches and rockets" ><

[spiral wadi]

the imagery of nyx wearing the black coat and throwing hands

[opal pecan]

Absolutely legendary.

I guess you could argue the rocket launching backpack is built into the coat as a sort of magickal thingy? But where the gloves come from... should call it an Outfit or perhaps an Ensemble smh

[shy moat]

it's just a bunch of random objects glued together by fabric (Gloves, whatever the shield is from, jetpack, rocket launcher)

[opal pecan]

The shield is actually the most explainable part to me, it's basically using the actual coat itself as a sort of bulletproof thingy, but make it magic.

Before I actually played with the weapon, when I had only seen the name there as an unlockable choice, I thought it was all gonna be stuff like that.

[shy moat]

yeah, I can see that

The rest of the stuff should be like, the coat itself unwraps a strand to lash out

[opal pecan]

Yeah!!! That would look pretty sick tbh

Like a sort of fashionable whip 😆

[shy moat]

kinda bummed they didn't, it could do all the same things it does currently but with a bunch of long strips like that

instead of ... heat seeking rockets?

or it's Nyx related, have it use darkness pools to teleport fragments that lash things then return or whatever.

There's literally no reason it couldn't have been skinned that way. (Including lashing ahead of you for the basic attack instead of you just punching things)

[opal pecan]

I guess they like their Humorous Anachronisms (gyros and fries, branded jerky packets, guns, etc.) but it does make me a bit wistful when the non-anachronistic option could have been super cool in its own right

[shy moat]

just seems like a step past what the adamant rail ever did, which makes me just a tiny bit sad to see haha

like I could pass off the high-tech targeting indicator on the ospecial if the followup was magical, but when it launches actual rockets?

That hurts my suspension of disbelief guys

[opal pecan]

We don't even get any cutscenes/animations of Selene and Nyx brawling it out as our predecessors smh smh, that would have made up for it 😆

[stable herald]

Counterpoint: coat best weapon

[opal pecan]

I love coat okay, we're just havin' a gab about ways it could have been Even Bester ;P

[shy moat]

mostly just thematic skinning too, for my part >.>

[signal coral]

Do you have the requirements?

Its pretty rare to see normally because it has really strict reqs

So you have to build for it intentionally

Afterwards its just luck, filling in cores helps

No, all legendaries have 3 prereqs

Ok try filling in cores after getting reqs

Also miniboss rooms, yarn, rarity boosting chaos boon

Excellence

They can all help

Otherwise just rng

Hestia is the hardest to get normally because the requirements are so strict

You likely have to specifically aim for it

[stiff pumice]

I believe in schrodinger's health bar, as long as I can't see how much health i have I keep tanking and I'm immortal

[opal pecan]

LMAO

[stiff pumice]

Mind you this worked perfectly fine too 😭

Ended Olympus run with 93/473 health and 4 death defiances

[tall notch]

Health can be very binary, you're either alive (1) or dead (0)

[primal stirrup]

What about moros’ keepsake?
While it’s death defiance is active you’re neither alive nor dead until time runs out or the encounter is cleared
Schrodinger’s goddess

[bronze flax]

Ah yes, the two genders

[steep galleon]

Isn't it just amazing when chronos pops the pin in the laser phase

[tall notch]

when pin procs, you are alive until it runs out

[bright viper]

what does ares do

[signal coral]

His best

[bright viper]

so tru

hestia is so goated