h2-builds-and-combat

[static badger]

Chronos reg is so easy

at least once you're cheesed up

[opal bay]

Pretty sure it was frenzy 1 full rival 32 fear 🤔
Also 24 stacks was becoz my investment on other more important nodes of the pos

Prior to chronos i can sustain every other boss using nergal + blood spree, that’s why

[opal bay]

Try frenzy 2 regular bosses xD

[strong mesa]

Yeah in that run having that setup is more important than godsent for sure

but if u need healing to keep the run alive getting 40hp of healing every use is more important

[opal bay]

Still much less important

[steep galleon]

Indeed!

[opal bay]

40 hp per god knows how long sec, also only twice?
I’d rather have +2 uses with each heal me all the dmg taken druing 2 sec

U see? Almost all other nodes (except for maybe gold per use) looks better than the godsent

[strong mesa]

No the heal dmg taken is better, everything else is worse than the godsent

its not like you dont pick up extra uses on the way to the godsent

[opal bay]

I would go for the godsent only after heal taken dmg & +3 use per fountain

[strong mesa]

+3 use per fountain is winmore, only matters when ur already doing well

[opal bay]

And u can still only use the godsent twice, so extra uses for godsent also is useless

[strong mesa]

You can use the godsent every room

Like two of my 50 fear clears I had godsent and did one like 3 rooms in a row

[trail fern]

Hey guys, I'm doing a medea run and I'm still learning things - I got Zeus special and my next choice is a hammer, but I got a choice of twisting crash, boosted ignition or colossus driver - what should I pick up in this case?

[opal bay]

Well, no boss that hard to beat. Scylla is a bit of a struggle but not that big of an issue that makes u use more than 3 moon water

[opal bay]

What they do again

[strong mesa]

on vor frenzy 2 every boss except for hecate polyphemus and eris are really hard

[trail fern]

Twisting crash makes my omega special projectiles fire inward after they fire outward

Boosted makes it so after I dash or specials, my attacks are faster and have +15 power

And colossus driver makes it so my specials have +30 power and I take - 30% damage while using them

[opal bay]

I’m playing frenzy 2 for the last few days and the bosses except chronos seems a lil bit harder than frenzy 1 but nothing u can’t handle. Maybe becoz i’m only at 35 fear

I only die on chronos most of the time. Oh also on zone 1 ||zag||

[strong mesa]

I just think you underrate normal room survivibility if you dont have the most broken build, theres a reason moros keepsake is so strong. Having the survivability to actually keep your dds into the final boss fights is so massive

z1 zag on frenzy 2 is crazy 😭

why would you do that

[static badger]

so 16 fear

what should I pick

[opal bay]

Ah ye, I don’t like playing dds. Maybe it’s harder to use strength on higher fears

[strong mesa]

Makes the timer easier atleast

[opal bay]

Becoz i wanna practice dodging him 🤔 and i also won a few times, not that bad

[opal bay]

2nd one of course

[strong mesa]

First time i cleared 50f it was strength moros torches, but it was only vor 3

[fathom mist]

all fun and games with zag until he hits you for like 80 damage with two swipe moves in a row in the blink of an eye

[strong mesa]

yeah and u cant just run in circles forever if u have 5 min timer

[trail fern]

Thanks!

[static badger]

Prometheus was like that but at least it was around 20-40ish

[digital juniper]

probably a bit late but for me it’s colussus>boosted

[opal bay]

U don’t use O special on medea, and having + attack/special power on medea gives much sweeter result

[digital juniper]

you usually don’t use your omega special at all on medea, so twisting crash is basically irrelevant

[fathom mist]

medea can be an exclusively non omega weapon fr

[static badger]

I'm almost fast enough to do 2 timers

[digital juniper]

yeah i use omega attack between waves or to activate huntress when i have it on

otherwise i don’t omega on medea at all really

[opal bay]

But since u have zeus special which just give enemies a delayed nuke debuff on hit, u’ll more likely grab something like aphro/apollo attack, which boost ur dmg by a % -> flat power on attacks always better

[static badger]

so using judgement what should I pick

[opal bay]

I dont use O on mel gauntlet. Instead i use ares legendary + poseidon attack lul

[fathom mist]

i guess omega attack medea can hit hard especially with wide grin hammer

medea is just so broken cus it comes with a huge damage modifier boon on its own already lol

[junior trail]

go for mel or mom skull instead if you go for wide grin lol

[opal bay]

10 reroll + 300 gold arcanas (if not using ||fate’s whim||

[fathom mist]

yeah ofc I did it with mom skull it was broken

but does the buff from mel skull apply to wide grin omega attack?

[opal bay]

Why not possed array tho. Best hammer for medea for sure

[static badger]

I guess cause you can't count on STR or death

[opal bay]

Nah, becoz having rerolls actually helps ur build better

[fathom mist]

yeah course but for some reason i always treat medea as an exclusively no magick weaponn loll

[static badger]

I could do the vow of forfeit and skip using the rivals

I probably could easily clear it

or is it void

lol

[opal bay]

Lol u wasted chances to try most broken hammer for medea

[fathom mist]

what magic regen do you use for that hammer then because it sounds pretty intensive

Hera probably?

[junior trail]

born or flood if play with possessed

[fathom mist]

yeah fair

[opal bay]

Hera is short lived. Either zeus or demter is best & fastest for it. Hestia & aphro is slow but gradually. Apollo is also decent

[junior trail]

or grisly (+ legendary)

[fathom mist]

demeter is so boring tho im sorry 😭

[opal bay]

And yep. Flood gain if it works (haven’t tried since why tf do i want poseidon on medea lol)

[junior trail]

Possessed has a bug with flood gain where the hammer effect always triggers while flood is active even you have no magick

[fathom mist]

but yeah zeus true since you have enhanced mobility with the skull too

[junior trail]

think of it as a dps burst window with 8 sec cooldown or sth

[opal bay]

That’s how flood gain works, not a bug. I just wasn’t sure if it triggers on the array

[junior trail]

nah man even its drained to 0 possessed is active the entire time

[opal bay]

Yes I know what u meant, i was pointing out that flood gain if it activates will give u mana more than the amount u had before it activates

So it’s quite simple logic that the array will proc even if u have 0 mana, as long as flood gain is off cd

[opal bay]

Yup i like zeus gain a lot. It’s silly on high magik spamming builds

[static badger]

cool first 16 fear run goooo

I've picked only the stupidest vows

I found a usable 6 grasp loadout

since the easy bosses are easy we'll find out

[trail fern]

Hey guys, what's the combo of Zeus and Ares for medea? Is it worth going for? I've only got blitz on special so far

[tall notch]

It's good if you get the Apollo revenge boon and the Zeus+Ares duo, without that it's alright but nothing crazy

[trail fern]

Hmm, maybe I'll try for someone else then - thanks!

[tall notch]

It's still a viable build, don't get me wrong!

[junior trail]

try hestia or pos (both on cast), thermal/killer are cool

[trail fern]

I'll try it next run - ended up finding ares so am going to give it a shot this time around!

[static badger]

holy crap I survived the first stage

[surreal hazel]

While flooding you can always use mana

[unkempt mural]

Wait does the sorceress card actually buff the channeling omega speed?why doesn't it say so in the game?

[forest oxide]

What gain do you guys like most for Shiva

[surreal hazel]

That's all it does

Seems a lot of people get thrown by the wording on that card because it's inconsistent with other effects that do the same thing

but yes, it multiplies your omega channelling time by 0.7 when maxed out

(Unless it's the torches, which is a little different)

[trail fern]

Ok, so I've got medea with Zeus special and Ares attack, Apollo and Zeus revenge boon and heinous affront, as well as possessed array and 300 unprinted magick - I just got to a new section and am unsure what keepsake to go with for the next bit (Olympus) - any suggestions?

[surreal hazel]

what did you use so far?

also you've got heinous smite going? You're pretty golden, honestly anything should work

take experimental hammer if you've maxed it, the weapon bonus will last for the rest of the game

[trail fern]

Zeus and Apollo

[surreal hazel]

no more godsakes then, just take the hammer, hope for the best, then take the droplet on last I guess

[elfin lynx]

Just a question, for the sus kind aspetcs of weapons, I Need to use them a specific amount of time? Or Just be lucky with the dialogue with the interested Characters?

[surreal hazel]

the sus kind?

the secret aspects?

[elfin lynx]

Yes xD

[surreal hazel]

if you mean that, then max out one of the non-mel aspects on that weapon

then talk to the NPC that used to use that weapon (aspect #2)

[elfin lynx]

Ohhhhh, okok, thats make sense

[elfin lynx]

Thank you!

[trail fern]

I've never used the hammer so it's at 10 encounters

[opal bay]

I never used droplet undyworld since it wouldn’t last long enuf as i always grab’em juicy detour xD

[surreal hazel]

max it

[opal bay]

Then use it for zone 3 or 4 depends on u, it’s better to lvl up hammer now

[trail fern]

Is it worth using it now for 10 encounters? Will that last to the boss?

[opal bay]

U can also use it both zone too

[surreal hazel]

If you equip it on zone 4, yeah

basically it's my main choice for zone 3 equips in most runs, but I'm not an extreme fear player

[trail fern]

This is my first run using strength instead of death and I'm a little scared of typhon still so was thinking of using knuckle bones for my last one?

[surreal hazel]

it's not as good as it seems, but you can do

levelling keepsakes is something you need to bite the bullet on anyway, might as well just do it

[opal bay]

Oh surface run i see, zone 4 hercules keepsake also a really good pick for surface

[steep galleon]

Knuckle bones is the one I use for zone 3 surface

For Rivals Prom

[trail fern]

Can I get a third hammer with the hammer keepsake? Like I got one, then have the keepsake - can I get a third hammer offered or only once the keepsake wears off?

[surreal hazel]

Sure

[trail fern]

Cool!

[surreal hazel]

I take it all of the time for zone 3 and often see a hammer as the very next room reward

this way you can pray for the HOLY THRASHER TRINITY and suchlike

[static badger]

16 fear won

[unkempt mural]

so every boon that says omega move speed is also mean the channeling speed?and it stacks?

[surreal hazel]

Stacks multiplicatively, yes

by which I mean, if you have two effects that both say "30% faster", what they really mean is "0.7 * 0.7 = 0.49"

so you channel your omega moves in 49% of the base time

[clever drum]

Got both Enfeeblement of Cowards and an epic Hard Target, was hilarious to see the projectiles

[surreal hazel]

All projectiles have overslept, have awful hangovers and it's a monday morning

[ancient comet]

Hello! I have newly joined to ask a single question

Does Success Rate work with Toula?

[surreal hazel]

...Toula?

she has a death defiance

[ancient comet]

The cat.

[surreal hazel]

what would be affected?

[ancient comet]

I wanted to post a screenshot... looks like it's not allowed here?

Bonus chance of fishing spots

[surreal hazel]

oh that

no, I don't believe it affects that, for any familiar

[ancient comet]

Aw ☹️

[trail fern]

Wow, I just had the cleanest typhon fight ever thanks to that medea run - only 48 damage from typhon which is a new record for me! Thanks for the tips with the run!

[surreal hazel]

success rate is for boon effects and crit rates iirc

[grave estuary]

Everything with a % chance except daze and dodge

[surreal hazel]

but the 25% bonus to fishing points on toula and similar things isn't affected I think

[proven imp]

I have a question regarding some hammer upgrades on medea skull. Like, how do Wide Grin and Boosted Ignition work on it? Do you just load the skulls faster

[cerulean panther]

Wide Grin does the same thing it does normally, loads all your skulls at once and they go off simultaneously. Skulls loaded before using your Special on Boosted Ignition don't get the damage boost, but once you're in combat you'll probably be charging enough that the boost is semi-permanent.

[proven imp]

wow so that's exactly what I imagined it would do huh. I was like "nah that's too convienient no way that's the case" so wanted to confirm the interaction a bit. ty for info

[surreal hazel]

You mean it doesn't get the velocity boost

it should get the power boost

[cerulean panther]

Well, yeah, they don't fire.

[surreal hazel]

wide grin is actually a poor choice on medea since it slows down the rhythm

[steep galleon]

Yeah it's pretty bad

[cerulean panther]

But I did test Boosted Ignition once, got it really early in a run, and if you load skulls and then charge, Boosted Ignition won't increase your damage.

You need to charge, then load, then charge again.

Basically the first Attack in any given Encounter won't have the damage boost but barring boss phases and long waits for chances to attack (like when Aetos shows up) you should have Boosted Ignition active most of the time.

[surreal hazel]

yeah, the boost effect needs to happen before you fire your attack, not hit with it

[turbid crescent]

What pets do yall use with circe staff

[surreal hazel]

as far as the game cares, medea skulls are "fired" when you attack, it's just that the projectile is told to stick to mel and have a longer fuse

[turbid crescent]

I like froggy for how much survivability he gives but hard to get hits with

[surreal hazel]

depends, Frinos stays put and makes using the leash easy and get big coverage with the cast

[cerulean panther]

Word 'round these parts is Raki is pretty consistent and low maintenance but Toula can really stick to enemies if you keep her active.

[surreal hazel]

Toula needs to be prodded to do anything and moves about a lot, but likes to be in their face a bit

[stray notch]

How do you dodge Charibdis split balls?

[surreal hazel]

Gale just sorta keeps near you, vaguely

[surreal hazel]

Just hide in the very bottom left corner and don't move

cheese, but it works, otherwise just start at one end and sprint the other way, if a cluster bomb is about to go off, dash into it just as it detonates

[cerulean panther]

I thought it was bottom right, behind the door frame.

[stray notch]

bottom left?
There is a top left and a bottom righht @_@

[surreal hazel]

bottom right*

Look, you navigate one ship into the all-consuming mouth of charybdis and you can never live it down

[stray notch]

I went bottom right and got nuked, so maybe is fixed?

[surreal hazel]

right past the door, as far as you can go

and STAY STILL

the bombs explode out of bounds and don't subdivide

[turbid crescent]

almost got chronos with staff of circe

God forbid this game ever gives me boons I want

[flint widget]

is it possible to get a hammer start on the surface with j pom?

[surreal hazel]

Yes

[flint widget]

oh thank god

[surreal hazel]

full fate's whim, all is possible

[flint widget]

im trying to do 58 fear nergal surface, a psychic whirlwind start on room 1 is necessary to win high fear nergal so it's good that hammer starts are possible

[surreal hazel]

ahhh

[digital juniper]

might be less tedious to reset if no hammer in ephyra rooms instead of room 1

[stray notch]

I'm really confused by persephone skull, could someone brake it down for me in easier terms?

[granite radish]

Any tip for Judgment run?
I tried at 30 fears and die at first boss everytime
Also is it good? Cuz on paper it sounds good

[edgy nacelle]

judgement is.... not great imo? some people like it.
imo it's mainly for 1. meme runs, or 2. more than 62 fear but less than 67, since then you kinda have no choice
for 30 fear I'd never use it unless 30 fear is easy enough for you that you just want to do a fun meme run

consistency is rly nice, and judgement leaves you super subject to rng

[granite radish]

yeah maybe i'm using it for fun, but dying so soon was not as fun as i thought lol

[edgy nacelle]

yeahhh it's... rough, sometimes you just get nothing useful and die
maybe try at lower fear to get used to it? personally I was over it after 3 or so runs, it's a neat gimmick but very much a gimmick

[stuck token]

The only judgement run I enjoyed was when I did a normal and Circe activated it

[opal bay]

i'm in love with my wonky shiva build lul

a bit hard to grab but it feels so good

[versed marlin]

So is it just bad then?

[edgy nacelle]

anubis is fine against bosses, it still does a ton of damage 🤷
imo Anubis would still be an actively great weapon even if the special didn't pull enemies in at all, so I wouldn't rly worry abt that being disabled against bosses, just position your attacks right and you'll be fine

[strong mesa]

I got judgment from circe once that was so fun

[opal bay]

no? why would u wanna pull bosses tho

[opal bay]

#h2-victory-boasting message look at this sheet lul

[versed marlin]

Pull the into attacks

[opal bay]

why don't u just place the attack under them/lure them in

except for Prom fight that should be really ez to pull

[versed marlin]

I fought medea with it and it felt kinda bad but I prolly just have to play it more.

[versed marlin]

Its just feels like that the aspect is supposed to pull enemies into the attack and the fact that it dosen't do that on bosses is very frustrating.

[surreal hazel]

Two effects. 50% chance an offered boon will have extra levels

[opal bay]

being able to pull bosses will actually kill u more than benefit u

[edgy nacelle]

honestly I more often wish it didn't pull enemies in, the attack and omega attack are fun to position and pulling enemies into my face can be dangerous
it's pretty easy to reposition and has a huge AoE, so if you have a good attack boon (scorch and splash are very solid) it's rather op

[surreal hazel]

Second is that olympian damage increases how long your next ospecial lasts

With 2000 olympian damage adding 2 seconds

[versed marlin]

I built around the pull in, puting apollo on special so I could pull in a bunch of enemies. Should I not have done that?

[opal bay]

PLUS the juicy O channel speed should be really fun for O special builds, but that pulling thingy more often than not kill u be4 u get the chance to make the build

[opal bay]

u can do whatever u wanna do, as long as it works. it's just there're better build

[digital juniper]

dang it’s 2k for full sprouted? maybe because of aoe but it sure felt less when playing w it

[edgy nacelle]

apollo on special is nice because it's good damage, but if you're jut relying on the pull in effect then yeah I wouldn't rly do that, Anubis deals great Ω special/attack damage and the normal attack is great for on-hit effects, so no need to focus just on the pull in

[surreal hazel]

2k olympian damage isn't a lot except at first

[versed marlin]

Can you tell me some of those better builds?

[surreal hazel]

Overkill damage still counts so lolblitz

[opal bay]

for anubis? poseidon attack, poseidon's froth, poseidon legendary, poseidon-ares duo

[edgy nacelle]

start with poseidon or hestia on attack and you're honestly good to go 🤷 hard to go wrong with that on anubis

[digital juniper]

the humble 700 damage blitz proc:

[opal bay]

also can try apollo legendary, any other on-hit effect like static shock (zeus), poseidon attack, support fire (artemis),...

[surreal hazel]

Hera anubis is easily the best on groups and it's not even close

Heaven strike is also lulzy

[edgy nacelle]

also to be clear apollo on special isn't bad at all! it's just not the pull in/AoE that makes it good, it's the high % damage and fact that it opens up apollo's legendary. if you want to lean into raw omega special damage on anubis that works fine too
just... don't fixate too much on the pull-in, is all, it's a neat gimmick but isn't rly a source of damage in and of itself, and you should feel confident positioning the attack and o-attack without it when needed

idk, anubis is one of the weapons where I like almost every god on it lol. like... idk, I don't rly throw ares, heph, or demeter on the attack I guess, but I could do that and find a way to make it work. scorch/splash is a good intro but it's just overall solid lol

[surreal hazel]

Aphrodite on attack is questionable

[edgy nacelle]

true actually, almost added her to the list

like island getaway is an option but then just. play splash... honestly play splash attack and aphro special w that duo. but still, I like most types of anubis builds lol

[surreal hazel]

Capped at 3 splashes per tick btw

Plenty tbh

[edgy nacelle]

yeah, even with a cap splash anubis doesn't exactly feel weak lol
I play scorch blitz and hera more tho

[surreal hazel]

Heph worked oddly well with high poms

Easy chain reaction

[edgy nacelle]

I should try that some time, I tend to grab heph when I'm playing a weapon I don't feel that confident on lol so it rarely occurs to me for anubis

[opal bay]

same goes for supay, but "high pom" is the keyword xD

[edgy nacelle]

like, idk, I don't rly enjoy mel blades and have cheesed two 40 fear clears with heph special lol to avoid having to deal with the short range
(idt they're a bad weapon, I just don't enjoy them very much and wanted to cross them off the list for all aspects 40f)

but heph supay was fun, and heph anubis prob would be too. maybe I'll do a love handles run with it or something, I rarely use that duo boon

[opal bay]

they r certainly worst design amongst the weapons

O attack takes soooooo long to start charging after u stop normal attack

and the range is so short

frenzy 2 almost 0 window to use it, exception maybe morrigan

[edgy nacelle]

I like morrigan a lot, and earlier tonight crossed artemis blades off my 40f underworld list
not a huge fan of artemis blades either but the faster channel speed makes o-attacks fun and a lot more comfortable, at least

mel blades just irk me because there are entire fights where the passive doesn't do anything, and if I'm not using the passive I'd rather just play a different aspect

[opal bay]

it wasn't the channel speed, it was the delay between normal attack and O attack channel that's so frustrating

[edgy nacelle]

I mean still, more channel speed = less total time vulnerable
still doesn't feel great but was pretty doable at frenzy 2
(also ik there are ppl who are genuinely good at mel blades lol I'm just not one of them)

[opal bay]

like, why tf does it take the whole year to just start charging O attack...

[opal bay]

well, on artemis u occasionally have parry while charging O attack, but it's no use if the O attack refuse to start charging lul

that delay is just bad design

[versed marlin]

which aspects are best for freezer burn?

[edgy nacelle]

anything that's good with scorch is good with freezer burn tbh
so, any fast hitting weapon. anubis, any blades aspect, nyx/mel coat, hel skull, circe could be decent with smolder ring... freezer burn is good in general

[glass bone]

Adding to this list; Eos is also a very good Scorch weapon, when the Specials are the one applying the scorch.

[edgy nacelle]

OH yes Eos, forgot abt Eos even tho I love scorch Eos, ty for adding it lol
Supay too, why was I blanking on torches I love torches ;-;

[glass bone]

Supay though is a bit mixed, because that wants a rush boon, and Heat Rush is a preferred, but that means Denial could cut out the Scorch Special / Attack

[edgy nacelle]

ahhh yeah if you're playing denial
I've run zeus/hera/poseidon sprint + scorch specials a fair amount too, and did some casual speedrun attempts with scorch supay where denial isn't rly a factor

[opal bay]

just tried full scorch supay with hestia attack special cast, hera dash, aphro gain and both the duo. seems pretty legit if not for my slow hand vs frenzy 2 rival tiffany

[lean crypt]

Tiffany?

[opal bay]

the one who licks u to death

[distant swift]

Silly question, but how does the Hestia rush work with Supay? I.e. do you bait the enemies into the puddles? What if it's large stationary enemies?

[lean crypt]

Ah I see

[opal bay]

u dash onto them, why would u need to bait

[distant swift]

Maybe I need to give it another go, I just didn't feel I was getting much out of it last time.

[opal bay]

Btw the rush boon bonus dmg of supay is a bait. Yes it’s kinda buff up the dps of hestia rush. But the strong builds of supay doesn’t revolve around that boon

[distant swift]

Yep, that was my feeling when I played it, I had fun with it but I didn't feel the rush thing did much.

Hence my question about the value of hestia rush

[glass bone]

I disagree, sort of. The strong build is the rush boon, specifically with ||Jeweled Pom||

Though this is in the context of 50-62 Fear…

The problem is that Supay has no natural stagger, so running in a circle with Hestia sprint, or dashing into an enemy with Poseidon sprint, is pretty dangerous. At high fear, you Night Cycle with Unseen (assuming you have ||Jeweled Pom||) until you can get the sprint boon. Then you have to start running.

[opal bay]

I tried many different build and honestly, most dps wasn’t coming from rush boons

So i still prefer giga dash & hera rush for that aspect

[distant swift]

Oh yeah, I'm nowhere near that, I've only pushed fear as far as I needed to get the three statues.

[opal bay]

And grab other means of dps along the way

[glass bone]

Gigaros Dash is definitely an upgrade, but I still feel like the main source that felt right were the rushes. Perhaps I’ll try 62 again to show some damage on it

[compact ginkgo]

Wait I just realized air quality boon applied to chain lightning and also hitch dmg… that’s disgusting

[rugged moon]

I dont believe it counts for hitch

Ynless they changed it when i wasnt looking in late ea

[compact ginkgo]

Oh it doesn’t?? 🤔

[rugged moon]

It didnt use to but they have changed some of the things

Im sad they disabled air frier

(Air quality + scorch ticks)

[compact ginkgo]

Oh yeah I just read about it. Hmm I’m trying to find the answer to the hitch question via googling but haven’t found a definitive thing yet

[surreal hazel]

it applies once for hitch, and that's it

basically doesn't apply, but obviously if some other damage is increased to 50, then the damage hitch deals to other enemies is likewise increased to 17

Air quality is good for demeter cast, sprint, arctic gale, prominence flare, glorious disaster

psychic leash, Squall of Demeter

[rugged moon]

I meant the spread isnt affected yeah.

[distant swift]

That sounds fair, otherwise hitch would be double-dipping in air quality

[potent fjord]

How much do you value Hermes boons?
Do you choose them over other gods? Like when you have one path with hermes and other with zeus for example

[glass bone]

Hermes is best when you already have 1 or 2 desired boons. Nitro Boost is my favorite personally, but the rest can be very useful as well, save for his Infusion being hard to get at high fear, and the legendary being awful.

I will say that I have chosen Hermes over some other gods if it’s a god I don’t want (say, Aphrodite on a Circe Staff run).

But if I see a god I may need (going back to Circe, seeing doors with either Hermes or Hestia), I’ll choose them over Hermes, mainly due to Denial, and Hermes often showing up at-least one more time after first popping up

[viral gale]

Does Eos count itself as the source for Aphrodite's "nearby foes" damage boosts?

[glass bone]

No, it counts Mel as the source.

Same thing for Anubis Attack btw

[viral gale]

Sounds like I should go Apollo on Attack then. Eos doesn't seem very intelligent at properly staying in range of foes at all times

[glass bone]

Aphrodite is still good though for Eos, because of Burning Desire value (Zeus Thermal Dynamics / Hestia Special + Aphro Gain), and you can get most of the value of Aphrodite Attack in boss fights, especially with Inverted Blaze

[viral gale]

hmm, true

[eager lion]

How big is the radius anyways?

[surreal hazel]

About cast circle

With mel stood in the middle

[eager lion]

Ah gee, that's pretty small.

[surreal hazel]

You can visualise it with glamour gain

[compact comet]

i know people told me last time that zag shows up at 40% of mid shops but ive done 16 runs post credits and I still havent found him, are we positively sure there isnt some condition that needs to be met? I have chronos and persephone's keepsakes already. I take nearly all midshops because I start with charons +300 gold.

[surreal hazel]

Should be happening

[compact comet]

it doesnt require the fates epilogue?

[steep galleon]

Definitiely not

[shy moat]

I first found it shortly after true ending (credits)

It's possible to just have really bad luck

[young kayak]

what are y'alls favorite builds on aspect of thanatos?

[wet pawn]

beat typhon for the first time on a new save. mel axe is busted

[rugged moon]

Aspect of the Heave

[surreal hazel]

Most things work, which is why than is so stable

[young kayak]

yeah but im asking for people favorites :p
mine is apollo legendary + ares sword thing

[steep galleon]

Zeus attack + static shock

Anyways, do mutual destruction and grievous blow stack?

[surreal hazel]

additively yes,

they add together to make a unified "double damage" roll on any applicable damage

rather than potentially both proccing for 4x damage

[paper tapir]

i just did a hel with hera+hestia run, i completely misjudged hera and how i should also focus on fast clears rather than just aiming for biggest boss dps 💀

might be my 2nd favorite next to charon

[warm latch]

oh man i just unlocked my 1st hidden aspect today, and i was swear i was just thinking to myself how OP ||leech on hit|| would be in this game... well i unlocked Nergal || for the axe||

[steep galleon]

So basically taking both just gives you a higher chance to proc x2 dmg

Oh well, not what I hoped for

[surreal hazel]

Yeah

Minicrit and full crit are separate rolls and do multiply

[earnest zealot]

i had a run w medea yesterday w the vengence boons + zeus special and it was gross, been loving apollo legendary on anubis

[tacit rapids]

im getting ready to go for some posideon boons for minor prophecy boon collection. What weapon pairs well with his boons? i was thinking like aspect of Pan on the sister blades but i havent really used posideon that much yet

[earnest zealot]

axe of charon goes kinda wild w geyser spout

[tacit rapids]

holy moly i see the vision

[earnest zealot]

zeus spec + geyser spout w like demeter gales

[glass bone]

Pan, Charon, Hel, possibly Anubis Attack, possibly Eos Special, and a few others.

[earnest zealot]

i still need to unlock hel, it looks so fun

[rugged moon]

Definitey anubis.

Geyser spout is also good for circe

[wet pawn]

Hel is fun yeah

[latent marsh]

What weapons other than Medae do you enjoying speedrunning with?

I've been really enjoying moros/mel torches

[rapid wind]

Equipping two keepsakes is a glitch or some boon?

[austere trail]

you can unlock the keepsake cabinet between regions to switch them out

[warm latch]

medae skull is good? i mean i got the unlock but im literally in the middle of doing a run with the normal skull right now.... funny thing is, this would be a god run for Medae i think, I got artic circle ( dmg and freeze on cast) + demeter binding circle thing, so + dmg on cast doubled if im standing in it and then i got Poseidon explode after Omega cast.... it's literally a Cast build, so i could just stand in my circles and spam Madae

PS im only past cyclops, just got on my 1st boat, had to restart PC

[rapid wind]

ye to switch, but i got 2 keepsakes on UI once
do they stay on UI when i switch?

[austere trail]

if you have a passive one like jeweled pom then yeah

[latent marsh]

Medea skull is my far the strongest weapon in the game

At rank 5 it you get a 90% increase to your attack and special

[warm latch]

I just finished ranking up and getting hidden aspect for axe, so im low on nightmare juice, i might work on her next, I got the base unlock, just need more nightmare juice, and im still really low, this is nightmare 3 run so basically normal

[latent marsh]

Nice

The Medae tldr is that its the main weapon to use in speedruns

[paper bay]

ok so i have

rivals rank 3
grit rank 3
wards rank 1
hordes rank 3
menace rank 2
return rank 1
fangs rank 1

what can i make of it

[proven edge]

wanted to ask about what I would wanna use with Nyx coat

[exotic rover]

Take hordes, grit, wards, and return off I would put max fangs, timer, and menace

If it’s not enough hubris is also free if your not running a magick build

[indigo badger]

what is the best case scenario for island getaway?

[primal stirrup]

So when I use the morph hex on an enemy that can’t be morphed, they still get the funny little rainbow circle around them
Does that mean my “while foes are morphed, they take more damage” things still apply while it’s there even if they’re not morphed into a sheep?

[glass bone]

Scorch Special spam. Take Cardio Gain, Pyro Technique, Glamour Gain, and Burning Desire as well if you can,

[indigo badger]

does the duo boon of apollo/aphrodite interacts with the duo boon with ares/aphrodite?, because I wanna do the dumbest heartrob build known to man

[glass bone]

I think so. Should be the case also for the Aphro / Heph duo

[indigo badger]

does the aphrodite gain with the poseidon/aphrodite duo effectibly makes every enemy on the room permanently weakened while getting passive magick?

[signal coral]

Yes

[indigo badger]

oh, so that's the best case scenario for that boon, guess slapping the hestia/aphrodite boon for infinite scorch too

[proven edge]

alright, thanks!!

[glass bone]

Or wait. Take Cardio Gain OR Glamour Gain + BD

Pyro Technique is required either way though to deal with the latter 2 regions on time.

[proven edge]

Yeah assumed so lolol

[stray notch]

I'm really confused by persephone skull, could someone brake it down for me in easier terms?
How should I use it?

[keen warren]

Nvm heph attack is good

[primal stirrup]

Basically
Damage delt directly from god’s boons charges up a meter that makes your omega special last longer, up to 2 seconds
As well as all boons being a random level higher, the max level higher it can be increasing with each level

Zues and haphestus are really good on Persephone basically

[keen warren]

Is tipsy shot better than bottomless drink

[stray notch]

where can I see this meter?

[glass bone]

Each pommable boon has a chance to get a random number of Poms (0-6 levels for Rank V). Then the Sprouted boon is; OSpecial duration can be increased up to 2 seconds maximum, with a damage limit of 2000. So what you want to do is to hunt for boons that benefit greatly benefit from Poms (Heph, Zeus, and Hestia because of blasts, blitz, and pyro technique).

[primal stirrup]

It’s next to your skull count

[glass bone]

Bottom left corner

[stray notch]

!

[keen warren]

I don't know if 450 damage is better than plus 100 power

[primal stirrup]

Yeah dw it took me like 3 runs with it to notice the meter too lol

[stray notch]

I was looking for an artemis like icon, that's why

[steep galleon]

Pos waves count too, so does Ares wounds proc, and he has great synergy with the weapon due to heinous affront + light smite

[stray notch]

But the pom bonus is only when i get a boon the first time or each time I use a pom on a boon?

I picked like 5 boon and nothing happened Oo

[slate trench]

its the first time and it will show on the selection screen if its base level is increased

[stray notch]

the first time for each boon?

[slate trench]

yup

first time you are selecting the boon, not when pomming

[stray notch]

damn I'm very unlucky then xD

[eager lion]

Can someone explain the aspect of nergal to me? I've got it maxed but this weapon feels horrible. I just take a bunch of damage and die

[austere trail]

trigger berserk by using omega attack and omega special (I don't use omega special that much though tbf), that triggers your healing when striking

[eager lion]

Mhm

What should my rotation be? I don't know what attacks I'm supposed to be doing

[austere trail]

I like apollo on attack and hestia on special. daze boons from apollo help massively as well

but honestly even with fates whim you can get some pretty crazy builds

[eager lion]

Hmm

[rugged moon]

Hestia special bad. Go heph special

[eager lion]

I still don't get it lol. I'll try to use it more and figure it out but more tips would be appreciated. When should I use the special vs attack? What is my best quick hit option

[rugged moon]

Something to note you can dash to make things easier as you charge up

Mostly just smash, special on the annoying fast small things

[austere trail]

I like the scorch special for origination

[keen warren]

Any fun build ideas guys

[eager lion]

Attack and dash or dash attack? I've heard the former recommended

[rugged moon]

Unlike normal axe, basic special hits once instead of three times

Attack and dash

[austere trail]

makes sense
I think I underuse the special then

[rugged moon]

Also im always aiming for heph legend on nergal

[warm latch]

so i havn't played around with this yet, but im assuming it's only possible to get athena to show up twice in a run right? 1st run no death def, or just run out, have her appear naturally, and then put on her boon correct?

[wide pollen]

You can't put on her keepsake if you've seen her

[warm latch]

so it's once a run. wow. insane

[velvet epoch]

What aspect or build is Hestia's Cinder Sprint good for?

And does anybody actually like all those Hephaestus armor boons?

[wide pollen]

Like, the one that is basically invincibility for the first 7 seconds?

Or the one that is at least one free hit per room?

[velvet epoch]

But are they build-defining boons?

[velvet epoch]

All NPCs are once per run.

[wide pollen]

A boon doesn't have to be run defining to be good

[warm latch]

on the topic of Hephaestus armor boons the one where u get 20 per location isn't bad, and then if you pair it Arachne silk sash, that gives you + 30 then like 3-4 ( can't remember) amor per stage assuming you still have 1. I I got to like cerebus very early on when i was new to game without even losing any HP, so i could see it being used for that

[warm latch]

that's not true. you can poseidon ( or like any god) like 3-4 times for example, then put on his keepsake and get him again lol

[wide pollen]

For the Hestia sprint, I take it for the same reason as I take most dash boons. To stop gods from offering more dash boons instead of the boons I want.

[velvet epoch]

I mean like NPCs that appear "in person" such as Heracles, Artemis, Circe, etc.

[velvet epoch]

This is genius.

[warm latch]

no worries man, maybe you didn't see i was asking about athena, 😛

[sour cape]

Frenzy 2 reg boss is easier than rivals imo

But maybe just really used to that

Rivals kinda

[rugged moon]

Athena is an npc not a normal boon giver

Her, dio, artemis are not standard boon givers like posedion. They show up in person as an actual model. As opposed to the boongivers who just… appear as a boon

[signal coral]

Hestia sprint is mostly for the hidden torch aspect, as it is a high damage sprint which that aspect likes. You can also just take it to fill a core slot so that future boons will be better.

Heph armor boons are incredibly strong, as not dying is a good thing. He's one of the best gods to see on high fear specifically because of his armor

[obtuse roost]

security system my beloved

[cosmic steppe]

Does possessed array trigger flood gain

[signal coral]

Yes

[surreal hazel]

errr, I don't think it actually starts it, iirc

no wait, it does.

but I think you only get the free casts, not the regen

[warm latch]

good point never really thought about that way.

[stray notch]

Do I need to fully charge an omega to make an omega combo?

[warm latch]

I would some details on this too, and if there is an internal cooldown, im pretty sure he is talking about the arcana card combo crit thing

[stray notch]

yes I am

cause fully loading the coat punch takes a long time and i doubt I need to fully cahrge it

[stable herald]

A partial charge coat Oattack works

Most omegas only charge up one stage, but the ones that can be fired partially charged like coat omegas or blades ospecial still count

[chilly sonnet]

which cast is best to double with circe?

[signal coral]

Zeus

[nova nimbus]

Hestia is also quite good

Demeter is okay if you can't get the others, you basically want anything with continuous dps

dem isnt really a dps god though

[eager lion]

How exactly does origination work? I've procced it without having 3 different status effects before I think

[sacred storm]

2 different status curses from 2 different olympian gods

(in other words, you can't get it by combining freeze and cyclone from demeter, you need a second god in the mix.)

[eager lion]

Ahhhh

Okay, that makes more sense

Does rivals typhon have any instant kills? I'm going up against him for the second time now

[sacred storm]

because it specifies "olympian god" in the description, certain effects that are listed as curses still don't count for origination, such as hades gigaros dash or selene's star fall.

because hades and selene aren't olympians.

[sacred storm]

you'll face two instant kills over the course of the fight, one during each egg phase.

[eager lion]

oh good lord

what are they?

[sacred storm]

same as what chronos normally throws out, it's not a new pattern just a misplaced one.

[eager lion]

Ahhhh I see

So the same as the ones downstairs just different

[sacred storm]

same safe zone concept, different arena

obviously there's no clock face so that one just picks a random spot on the floor but the size and tell are the same

[eager lion]

ffs

I dashed too far and got insta killed

[sacred storm]

rip

[eager lion]

Who designed this?

[primal stirrup]

Mel tripped on a rock and died

[eager lion]

So what are the absolute strongest aspects or builds?

[sacred storm]

medea, moros, circe, anubis, charon all strong contenders

[eager lion]

Hm cool. I haven't gotten much out of those last 3

Or moros really. Moros has been good but not crazy strong

[sacred storm]

zeus special goes hard with it

[eager lion]

neat

What do I do with Circe? it didn't sound strong

[sacred storm]

cast build. circe straight up doubles your casts (one wherever it usually goes, one on your familiar)

i've never vibed with it personally so i can't super guide you on it but i'm told storm ring is really strong with it

[rain timber]

how to build aspect of shiva?

[sacred storm]

and whenever a build calls for zeus you can also go for hera and fish for king's ransom

[warm latch]

well on this question and i had questions about it too, Im doing omega casts and then using Omega attacks with the axe for example, and there seems to be no cooldown, and no i don't have to fully crage the axe to full to see the skull apear on me, which means i've activated the crit

[velvet epoch]

Well, beans. I guess I should reassess. Doing 24 Fear. Keep dying on Typhon's 3rd phase.

[sacred storm]

three ways imo:

1. ignore destructive stacks entirely and just punch things. boring but it can probably work at low fear.
2. use omega special to build destructive stacks and unleash fat omega attacks. you probably want aphrodite, apollo, or hera attack for this. definitely look for born gain since it's so magic-hungry.
3. get the hammer that builds destructive stacks on block, then same as 2. requires less magic since you're not relying on omega special, but not everything can be blocked in the first place.

[signal coral]

You dont need to turn on rivals 4 for 24 unless you really want to

[rain timber]

k

[signal coral]

If you just want a win, I would in fact not recommend it @velvet epoch

[eager lion]

Do we get anything for beating all rivals bosses once?

[signal coral]

Yes

[sacred storm]

no...wait what? i don't think we do?

[signal coral]

There is a fated list that gives 8 nightmare i believe

[sacred storm]

oh right i forgot about that

[eager lion]

that's only for reaching them

[signal coral]

Oh

[austere trail]

there's a prophecy but you only have to see rivals chronos and typhon, yeah

[signal coral]

Well shows what I know

[velvet epoch]

Oh... So after the prophecy, it's pointless to be doing Rivals maxed out?

[austere trail]

yeah

[signal coral]

Well if you like the fight then do it

[sacred storm]

i mean if you like the rivals bosses then by all means leave them on

[signal coral]

And if you want to keep pushing fear you should learn the fight eventually

[austere trail]

but for the third statue max rivals is a major handicap

[signal coral]

But if you just want to do 24 and then stop, rivals 4 is very hard compared to other options

[eager lion]

The point is being able to kill them once and not feeling the need to deal with their nonsense again

[obtuse roost]

Honestly rivals isn't as bad as it was in h1

[signal coral]

Uh, imo rivals 4 is about the same in both games

Rivals 1-3 are much harder in hades 2

[austere trail]

^

[signal coral]

The hades 1 em fights were pretty free up until the last boss

[obtuse roost]

Rival scylla and prom is hard but generally the rest is pretty tame

H1 third and final boss were too crazy on rivals, it wasn't worth it at all

[signal coral]

Uh, champions in hades 1 was arguably easier with em on

[austere trail]

I found theseus' chariot easier than his regular form. asterius was harder so it kind of balanced it out

[velvet epoch]

The Persephone keepsake in this game is gnarly.

[toxic sonnet]

so is the beam from circe staff just the cherry on top for damage?

[signal coral]

Well the damage is good

[spiral wadi]

i love not having a goddamn aspect the first 5 seconds of a room cuz pets don't spawn until like two seconds into a goddamn room

(circe)

[toxic sonnet]

agreed, i just found i would focus on aiming it less as the run kept going since i would just do regular origination shenanigans

[spiral wadi]

yea circe has insanely good dmg output

[signal coral]

Like double casts is obviously the cool part but the beam is still a free 150 damage per second if you can keep it active

And 150 is a big number when its free

[toxic sonnet]

true.. i have it at rank 4 i should prob max it at this point

[sacred storm]

also if you have winner's circle you might be able to double up on beams? maybe? i haven't tested myself but i do know there's, like, two layers of that crystal effect that counts down the beam duration.

[signal coral]

I dont think winners circle works like that

[velvet epoch]

Winner's Circle always confused me because I like my cast duration being long.

[sacred storm]

it's better for ocast specifically since it detonates faster

[compact magnet]

Offered a Chaos Boon that disabled all Arcana for 4 encounters
It's my no-Arcana run anyway

[sacred storm]

oh, sudden thought: does chaos's barren curse count for the prophecy to beat hecate without arcana?

[toxic sonnet]

is it bad for charon axe?

[sacred storm]

you need time to charge ospecial so yeah that would probably be awkward at best

[wide pollen]

I wonder if anyone has ever tried that.

[shy moat]

somehow you didn't include mel staff >.>

[cerulean panther]

What's the Mel staff build?

I hear about it, is it just Double Moonshot, Flutter Flourish, and other assorted support boons?

[signal coral]

Zeus attack

Ideally double moonshot and a good % special

Surprise surprise, its Zeus again

[shy moat]

well; that and +40 damage on the special that's got higher % increases than attacks and is fast

doesn't hurt that it's both special and omega special, unlike the mel axe which is only attack

[uneven palm]

That’s solid too. Controlled Burn and Fourth Degree are fun there

[rare brook]

When in doubt, trust daddy Zeus

[wet thicket]

on god bro he’s insane with the twin flames

[rare brook]

I need to find more usage for Aphrodite, as it seems like I use her the least

[obtuse roost]

I really like aphro's cast

[sacred storm]

passion dash/glamour gain + her legendary is funny, although it's not something that you can solo a run with

actually glamour gain + island getaway is also funny and arguably better

as long as your build doesn't need lots of magic anyway

[rare brook]

Nice buff, but nothing game defining like sun worshiper for example

[shy moat]

it's disappointing that the conditional boon based regen over time shuts off whenever you spend magick; I can see it for unconditional ones, but when it requires you to be near an enemy it's irritating that it pauses

makes aphro's gain so much weaker for so many weapons

[ionic stag]

And island getaway + glamour gain combo has anti synergy with the legendary which is just so sad

[sudden inlet]

I swear, 32 Fear Underworld is driving me insane and I really don't want to resort to Time 3 to get rid of something like Scars

[steep galleon]

What setup are you running

[sudden inlet]

Talking about Fear or Arcana, or both?

[steep galleon]

Fear, sorry if it wasn't clear

[sudden inlet]

Rivals, Wards, Menace, Return, Scars, Fangs, Hubris x 2; Shadow, Denial; Pain, Frenzy, Time x 1.

[signal coral]

I would not personally run wards, scars, or pain at 32

[brazen echo]

Time 3 is free

Well not really but like

Idt i’ve ever actually died to time 3

[signal coral]

Also you should get used to playing fast.

Imo any player who wants to do 32 should be able to do time 2 without any issues.

With practice time 3 should be fine as well.

[edgy nacelle]

time 2 is very doable, time 3 is free with practice but I get if some ppl don't want to do it yet
but wards pain and scars are pretty rough tbh. wards feels free on some builds but not all

[sudden inlet]

I can do Time 2 no problem, it's just the Rivals fights that throw me off.

[signal coral]

I would also suggest running rivals 3

But not 4

[steep galleon]

Scars should be fine at 1 for 32, definitely recommend taking off pain and wards, dial up time to 2

[sudden inlet]

That and I absolutely hate friggin' Strength

[signal coral]

Death is fine

Strength vs death should not be the main issue I think

[brazen echo]

Oh, i forget which vow the gold one is but you should take that

[rapid wind]

Does gods' keepsakes boost chance of getting boon once on nightstart, or for the whole run?

[steep galleon]

This was my setup for 32 both routes https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1383166531730673777/1425833039392542790/image.png?ex=68ef9d7f&is=68ee4bff&hm=4c7379442deab7f08aac96a35214643724de37e139067e646fa1f21681d3cbcf&

[eager lion]

Huh, weird. I just tried fig leaf for the first time and it gave me my last keepsake after it's effect took place

[brazen echo]

Just once, usually at the earliest you can get a boon

[sudden inlet]

Debt

[edgy nacelle]

like, I'd prob prefer something like this if you're comfortable with frenzy 2
could move some points from gangs to debt, scars, or return if you want 🤷
I don't rly like debt at low fear since I want to have fun lol and buy more things

[eager lion]

is this a bug?

[signal coral]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDIsNSwwLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsOF0=

This is all the fear i consider mostly free

Drop your least favorite ones to get to 32

[sudden inlet]

I don't do Frenzy.

[edgy nacelle]

what weapon do you play? if it's something that pops wards easily you could do that, but if it's like.... axe I'd rly not recommend it

[steep galleon]

It may look intimidating but frenzy is something I def recommend getting used to

It gives quite a bit of fear

[austere trail]

for 32F I'd recommend at least Frenzy 1

[vernal quiver]

Also frenzy enemy's spawn faster so :3

[signal coral]

You can take my fear setup, drop both frenzy, and still be at 32

[brazen echo]

I find frenzy more fun than wards tbh

Also personally i’d bump fangs up to 2

As somebody whose favorite weapon is the axe, wards is the bane of my existence

[eager lion]

Can someone link a good arcana setup with death and fates whim? Should probably take them to beat the rivals end bosses

[sudden inlet]

Mostly Circe and ironically after going "I hate Time 3", managed to lock in and finally do it

[signal coral]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzYiLCJjNyIsImMxMSIsImMxMiIsImMxMyIsImMxNCIsImMxNSIsImMxNyIsImMyNCJd

Add some combination of Huntress, Eternity, Night, Artificer, Excellence depending on your weapon/preference
If your weapon literally doesnt use omegas at all you can drop Sorceress
If you have 1 grasp leftover it can go in Messenger

[dense heron]

Am I doing or understanding something wrong? I have Heaven Flourish which should apply Blitz on enemies hit by my special. But the Daybreaker from Aspect of Eos Omega Normal isn't applying Blitz on enemies even though it says it copies the special.

[uneven palm]

Are you doing specials? The Daybreaker copies specials (and Omega special) that you, Mel, do

Its own pulses are considered Omega attacks

[dense heron]

I was understanding something wrong then. I thought the Daybreaker inherited your special boon effects instead of normal boon, and I picked it because I thought that sounded interesting.

[uneven palm]

It’s a fun aspect. Double specials are pretty strong.

[eager lion]

thanks!

[bronze flax]

How does that look for a 32F run from a certified Vow of Time hater? https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwyLDAsMywzLDIsNSwxLDEsMiwwLDAsMCwxLDAsMTJd

I can consider denial, but I'll give it a try first

[signal coral]

why not time 2

[bronze flax]

Ah yes, I am willing to give attempts to Vow of Rivals 4. Beaten both of them and they seem fun and challenging enough to invest time on learning them

[signal coral]

i would suggest you check your average clear times and see how long they are

because I feel like any player who is confident enough to do 32 fear should be able to do time 2 for free

[bronze flax]

I just don't like being timed 😅

I have tried Time 1 and with how I tend to play my runs, Time 2 is doable, I just don't find the timer fun

[signal coral]

also hordes is generally one of the bad fear options to take because it amplifies other fear options

like fangs enemies get worse when there are more of them, for example

at 32 its probably okayish though

but in general denial is pretty free, hubris 2 is pretty free, time is very free

frenzy you need to learn but most people recommend at least 1 level if you are pushing fear because its a lot of fear

[bronze flax]

I have played with max Hordes with max Fangs already, so I feel comfortable enough with it

[signal coral]

wards and hordes are generally not recommended

rivals 4 is hard so its only recommended if you find it fun

[bronze flax]

Now Hordes + Fangs + Menace + Wards 2? That's a different story 😅

I can replace Wards with Denial, but I'll test it first

[wooden carbon]

What would be the best pair with zeus on aspect of moros?

[viral yew]

Anything but heph attack

[wooden carbon]

Yeah but I'm asking for best, I'm aware heph is a weird god

[viral yew]

Aphro then

[versed marlin]

I like Hestia attack and Posiden cast for their duos with Zeus. (This is what I use with Zeus special btw)

[hallow cobalt]

Charon + apolo cast expand + haphaestus hammer special

SLAPS

[obtuse tendon]

charon?

[rare brook]

Yay, got epilouge and instantly unlocked alterning fate

[viral yew]

Charon axe

[sudden inlet]

||Demeter Attack||

[rare brook]

I wonder if for Charon axe it's better to pick zeus gain than other ones

[viral yew]

||lies||

[sudden inlet]

Apollo is the single best one for Charon Axe.

[viral yew]

Apollo gain is best

[sudden inlet]

||I was attempting and failing to do a funny with their duo||

[rare brook]

So charon special triggers Apollo gain? Sweet!

[sudden inlet]

It detonates the cast, so yes.

[rare brook]

So that means going for Apollo legendary is very worth it

[obtuse tendon]

I really like Zeus + Demeter + Their duo boon on casts

[sudden inlet]

Y-- No.

[rare brook]

Pick special, gain and supernova plus leg and it's golden

[viral yew]

Yes

[sudden inlet]

The problem with Apollo legendary is the timing on getting the second cast down is really tight.

[grave estuary]

oh wow Circe aspect got a complete rework since last I looked at it, it's good now?

[rare brook]

You still do dmg with second omega

[rare brook]

Super good

[sudden inlet]

Arguably one of the strongest Staff aspects lol

[rare brook]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ijjl8u4f_E

[sudden inlet]

Just don't use it with Frinos and you're golden since while he's useful he doesn't really do... much in terms of combat.

[viral yew]

It's one of the best

[grave estuary]

Yeah I just did the chaos trial with it and was super impressed

[rare brook]

Staff itself is universal good and all aspects are at least good, if not the best

[grave estuary]

Anubis is still my favourite by far though

[sudden inlet]

Mel staff feels kind of awkward to me, and this is coming from a guy who is an Anubis simp.

[rare brook]

Anubis can be relaxing, make fields and then run around, so much button economy 😄

[grave estuary]

You get it 😁

[rare brook]

Neds to get used to attack - special or dash-strike - special combo

[sudden inlet]

High fear with Anubis is possibly a bad idea though because the fields don't do much damage on their own.

[grave estuary]

I normally use it with hitch/scorch/blitz/splash on atk

[sudden inlet]

Like I would and likely will take Circe on high fear with Time 3 because funny double cast zones, but Goobis needs a good deal of investmnet.

[viral yew]

https://imgur.com/a/vClBbRW

[grave estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-shades-omg-cant-believe-gif-10277190

[viral yew]

My reaction after finishing that fight

[rare brook]

Do I see King's Ransom in action?

[viral yew]

No lmao

[grave estuary]

I take it echo doubled its level?

[viral yew]

Jpom into epic bridal glow into echo double

[sudden inlet]

Jeweled Pom lmao

[viral yew]

Plus a few poms

[sudden inlet]

Legit the only way to have Gigaros Dash before Tartarus.

[hallow cobalt]

Thats why you tech with hermes omega cast time reduction

[viral yew]

It's almost needed for high fear

[hollow stag]

Which hammer is better on Night 3, Dual Moonshot or Mirrored Thrasher?

[viral yew]

Dual moonshot

[sudden inlet]

"Night 3" as in Run 3?

Dual Moonshot.

[hollow stag]

Yes, with 12 Grasp

[rare brook]

Also don't sleep on psychic leash, it actually does good dmg

[hollow stag]

Why Dual Moonshot?

[viral yew]

Also why it's good for high fear

[uneven palm]

Night 3 I’d just take whichever. It’s early. Try stuff out

[sudden inlet]

You don't have access to a lot of Magick as of yet and you likely have not gotten a good magick regen

[hollow stag]

What if I get Hestia Gain early?

[sudden inlet]

Then you should be fine to use Thrasher

[opal pecan]

The leash seems tricky to wrangle -- but I guess it's a matter of practice.

I can't really make it out in the clip, but is there a familiar whose movement works most smoothly with it, or is it a wash?

[junior dome]

[x][x][x][ ][ ]
[x][x][ ][ ][ ]
[x][ ][x][ ][ ]
[x][x][ ][x][ ]
[x][x][x][x][ ]
any of these worth losing for origination?
If I drop charon, I also lose fates and divinity

im assuming excellence and divinity are really good

[quasi gale]

ngl origination is basically mandatory if you want big numbers

but i can see you subbing it to run huntress on builds that dont use omegas and you want to micro manage using magick at start of each encounter

[ebon grove]

Excellence is mediocre.

[junior dome]

whats a good gain on hestia attack torches, assuming you just want to hold m1 all battle
normally i go for hestia gain but it's burned by vow of denial

[glass bone]

Which torch aspect?

[junior dome]

melinoe

[glass bone]

You could do Born Gain or Flood Gain.

[static badger]

12 surface is tough

because I'm picking the worst vows lol

LV 4 void
Lv1 scars
Lv3 time

[quasi gale]

void is pretty much ignored up until you want to do 62+ fear

if you want to start climbing the fear ladder, just pop lvl 3 time and go from there

[static badger]

I did an arcana less underworld by accident once

[opal pecan]

At least that fulfills a prophecy....?

[quasi gale]

yeah lol

[opal pecan]

It sounds like utter pain though.

[static badger]

honestly not that bad

I did lv3 void for fun

hit that judgement money

[meager wadi]

whats considered the best umbral flame?

[static badger]

the one you clear the easiest with

[quasi gale]

theyre all pretty good so go for any you have fun with

i like day break but you need hella good magick recovery

[meager wadi]

good thing im not looking to just run with the best one I was just wondering what people overall consider

[gaunt canopy]

Moros

Though Supay could be easier if you struggle with dodging stuff

[meager wadi]

moros is just omega special and holding atk? or do u stack up the attacks and then pop them all with one special

[quasi gale]

sure, or use omega special and have it auto pop your normals

[final sedge]

Is shocking loss the Zeus legend good on bosses or chronos specifically?

[meager wadi]

also i had a question about rerolls, can you reroll to a god thats not in the pool? and im assuming rerolls stay within major vs minor

[cerulean panther]

Zeus Legendary does not work on bosses.

[cerulean panther]

Once you have 4 Olympians set the only thing that will get more to spawn is taking a Keepsake.

If you don't have 4 yet then rerolling can make a new one appear.

[opal pecan]

Does this make Surface runs more predictable than Underworld runs, since you can pick 'em off the menu in Ephyra?

[glass bone]

No. But yes. But also no.

It’s complicated, but it makes sense.

[opal pecan]

I'm listening 😆

[glass bone]

1. No, because taking a God Keepsake in Chamber 1 means they will Always spawn. So it doesn’t matter.
2. Technically Yes, because with Vow of Forfeit, you don’t get the god immediately in Erebus, but will always find the god either in C2 or a Courtyard room for Ephyra.
3. Technically No, because the meta for High Fear (and maybe speedrunning) is ||Fates Whim||, so Erebus will have less runs where you make it out of Erebus, but Ephyra will have less runs where you get a good enough run for competitive time / clear at high fear.

So With rerolls, it’s super easy to get a good build in Ephyra than Erebus. But without, it’s a bit complicated, arguably Surface being harder because Olympus is a series of high HP gate messes.

Ok actually, let me try to simplify it better.
Erebus can make you low roll by not finding any boons you need to clear Region 1 on time at high fear / pace for a speedrun.
Ephyra can make you not get the right boons to clear Regions 2/3/4 on time at high fear / pace for a speedrun.
Rerolls makes it easier to get the right boons in Ephyra. But the meta nowadays is No Rerolls.

[opal pecan]

I see...

[eager lion]

I just realized I probably shouldn't try do to all rivals and full heat in the same run

I COULD but why am I doing this to myself lmao

[hallow cobalt]

If i get apollos gain at its lowest tier is it worth investing upgrade fruits into into it? And how much?

[cerulean panther]

Depends on how often you use Magick.

I just had a run where I was popping 80 Magick Omega Specials extremely frequently and without a strong Lucid Gain I would never have kept up.

[junior dome]

do + dodge effects stack additively or multiplicitivaly?

[cobalt orbit]

What are some of y’all favorite fear to slap on to make it a easy run? Do you have specific fears for specific weapons? I saw the credits roll and I got the first statue. So I think fear 6 and 8.

[sour cape]

Lucid Gain, my fav!

[sour cape]

I always play with Frenzy 2

[junior dome]

omg when i task manager killed my save because i accidentally bought a sacrifice boon the game restarted me back at the hub

they do that on purpose to prevent scumming?

[sage flame]

live and learn

[cobalt orbit]

That’s the one they move faster right? But okay okay lol. Wonder if we would get a channel dedicated to fear runs like hades I high heat strategies.

[sour cape]

I think timer 2, the boon choice sacrifice, mana reservation are relatively easy fears

Frenzy is not free but worth a lotta fear, so kinda always taking it when pushing fear

Then like maybe money, losing some healing?

All the other stat buffs and especially more enemies suck

Rivals is really difficult too

And then you got like losing Arcana and Onion

[junior dome]

is reckless abandon good on melinoe torches?

do the 5/55/555 get affected by % damage or + power buffs?

[hollow stag]

Which is more important for a Night 3 Mirrored Thrasher Hestia Gain with Common Poseidon Attack build? A common Slippery Slope or an Epic High Surf

[cerulean panther]

No, but they can crit and mini-crit, and the 5 damage hits can be boosted by Air Quality.

[junior dome]

ok, so given they have base 30 damage its probably not that great for say, a scorch build

[junior trail]

even with AQ and success rate, reckless mostly feels like you're bricking your attack dmg lol

[cerulean panther]

I think the only thing that really benefits from Reckless Abandon is Hel.

[junior dome]

do +x% buffs on burn cause it to tick down faster or each tick to do more absolute damage?

[cerulean panther]

Each tick to do more absolute damage.

Only thing that makes Scorch tick more quickly is Pyro Technique.

[junior trail]

pyro technique = tick down faster

[junior dome]

yeah i know of pyro technique

is good 🙂

[junior trail]

global dmg/olympian dmg multiplier = each tick to do more absolute damage

no AQ or crit tho

[vernal scroll]

Very important choice I'm faced with here: Fire Away or Incandescent Aura

[junior trail]

what hitch/gain boon you're using

[vernal scroll]

I'm using The Unseen Arcana

Oh and hitch on attack

Black Coat

[junior trail]

i mean fire away is pretty handy

[vernal scroll]

You see the conflict

[vital ledge]

+20% enemies sometimes feels like +200%, nightmares

[vernal scroll]

+10% with harpies on Olympus feels like hazing against me specifically

AAAAAA I can't decide which boon to pick

The problem is more that I was aiming to get both of them at different times, not at the same time in the same boon selector

[junior trail]

i think fire away is better here, Incandescent suits more with gain boon that recovers in chunks like born or ionic

the unseen might be too weak for incandescent to do significant dmg

[junior dome]

#h2-victory-boasting message
thanks

[vernal scroll]

Thank you Pond

I'll take Fire Away and try and get more magick gain

[junior trail]

woulda be perfect if you got thermal and arc flash perhaps

[vernal scroll]

Rare Tough Gain immediately after

[junior trail]

poggies

[vernal scroll]

Now if I can prevent choking in Thessaly I might have a good run cooking

[quasi gale]

ugh, whats the best gain when i get possessed array?

melt through magick like butter

[cerulean panther]

Flood Gain.

[quasi gale]

ight

[signal coral]

its actually born gain

flood gain is a fine consolation prize though

[cerulean panther]

You can Prime out with Born Gain. Flood Gain is truly infinite Magick.

[quasi gale]

prime out speed run lmao

[signal coral]

just get max magick

born gain scales quadratically with max magick

and somewhere between like 200-300 magick you will actually have so much magick that even the last boss will die before you prime out

[noble spindle]

born again overrated forces you to get mana rewards no one wants that. flood gain even demeter epic is more than fine

[signal coral]

neither of those are enough for possessed array

flood gain is roughly 6 seconds on 8 seconds off

which is enough for short rooms but in boss fights it has significant downtime

tranquil gain forces you to stand still for a second every 2-3 seconds, which is also incredibly awkward in boss fights

[uneven palm]

I like flood gain there. Ignoring max magick is chill

Chill Uncle Poseidon would approve

[cerulean panther]

I top out at 32 Fear but my 40+ friend says they haven't tried anything better.

I bet if you really maxed out Cardio Gain, talking 13+ per strike, it would be more consistent.

[junior trail]

grisly + sanguinary 🙂‍↕️

[cerulean panther]

Man, fully-built Grisly + Sanguinary outdoes everything.

[clear crest]

so apollo, hera and hestia are good on anubis attack, but what about special?

[junior trail]

imo anubis should be on-hit effects (zeus/pos/hestia etc, hera isnt bad either) on attack, and % dmg (apol/hera/aphro etc) on special

apollo attack is haha big circle funny, but when you’re in a boss fight you’ll definitely be asking “okay, but where’s the damage?”

[clear crest]

ngl I find it annoying that special pulls enemies in

[vernal scroll]

I ALMOST HAD TYPHON

I was so close 😭😭😭😭😭

[meager wadi]

is moros dmg just better overall vs mel aspect

[viral yew]

Imo yes

[meager wadi]

what are the typical boons on it

[viral yew]

Zeus special, almost any attack but heph or ares

[junior trail]

zeus (constant blitz pop) or hera (cc) on special
% dmg on attack

[meager wadi]

would that and mel aspect build the same?

[junior trail]

yeah basically, mel and moros have the same playstyle

or you can focus just attack on mel torches, like fine line/ocean/heartthrob

weed/exceptional > pike is also an option

[meager wadi]

gotcha ty, also unlocked morrigan recently how does building that one go

[spiral wadi]

hitch atk makes triads do funny room clears

since it's multihit u can also scorch on atk

[junior trail]

i like cut above/coffin nail/cutting edge on torches o.special tho

not practical cuz 2 duos but its a mouth cleanser from heaven flourish/arc flash ⚡

[opal bay]

well, when u tried enuf frenzy 2 reg bosses, u can also try frenzy 2 rival bosses/shadow minibosses

[opal bay]

there r a lot of fun build u can use with blade drop

prolly most fun will be anubis

[vale shard]

Does the expiring bane respect the paused timer rules?

[hollow stag]

Onto night 4, and I currently have The Boatman, The Enchantress, and The Champions Arcana. I have 4 Grasp left. What should I activate?

[brazen echo]

Night 4 as in only your fourth run?

Honestly when you’re this early just go bash your head against a run and see what sticks

[brazen echo]

My best recommendation is to take either death or strength and then origination

Those are the boons that you will always have on

[turbid crescent]

running a build so busted that I frogot to even register chronos phase one as a threat

On my first try of using black oat, I don't even have the option to see aspects for it

[edgy nacelle]

great feeling when that happens
if you deal damage fast enough you can get him to 50% hp in phase two before his oneshot attack even hits, and he'll cancel it early so you don't have to dodge lol

[turbid crescent]

Oh I killed him when he was using a oneshot move lol

[edgy nacelle]

hell yeah

[turbid crescent]

#h2-victory-boasting message

Such a dumb build lol

Hera and zeus duo -> upgrade zeus' chain ligthing boons to +13 with the bounce off duo and dash strike hammer. easy 1300+ damage per hit

paired it with hera attack boon tho, maybe not the best one for this

for normal enemies maybe, but for bosses I feel like hestia on attack would be strong, stack a lot of flame combined with the demeter caste and boom

[mortal vine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BFRY72Dpr4

not mine but useful

[olive tusk]

if we're maxxing out tick damage, zeus chain lightning + dem rush + artemis support fire + air quality would be the way
as for the zeus duo boon, it's pretty fantastic it works in nearly every build, but its probably strongest in aspect of charon or nergal

cause of arc flash

perhaps its stronger in aspect of moros

[vale shard]

Pretty outdated video, he was using wiki info pre 1.0

Especially old toula

[junior trail]

oh this guy

bro the weapon video, i feel like im in the alt universe while watching it lol

[viral yew]

This guy should stick to balatro he has some horrific takes

[junior trail]

his takes are.. confounding, to say the least

[vale shard]

Takes are whatever, if he at least bothered to get the right info from the game

[viral yew]

Fr tho

[edgy nacelle]

I can't b bothered to watch rn, share a horrific take or two I'm curious

[severe vortex]

What are the requirements for Artemis' whispered prayer boon? I know you need an attack hex but I can't get it to appear even dumping all my reroll dices

[viral yew]

He put medea in C tier and Artemis in A iirc

[edgy nacelle]

huh.
um. okay. damn you rly did mean horrific

[junior trail]

If he meant it as a portrait tier list instead of weapon-focused, then yeah that’s valid. I can see where he’s coming from

[viral yew]

Go watch the videos they're kinda funny

[surreal hazel]

It's her "legendary" so it only appears later on after you've bonded with her more

[severe vortex]

I'm at the stage where it tells me to sing and fight with her more, I suppose it's after that point?

[signal coral]

this is the objectively correct tier list
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1377540616690597908/1427923854965346367/image.png?ex=68f0a138&is=68ef4fb8&hm=cae5c546c768e58aaff14b663c67a7f2912a4899482685a3b63d9cbf608e5acb&

:^)

[lost jolt]

Quick question about the inverted blaze hammer on moros torch. The attacks lingering seems good at first glance but I think it might be harder to proc the explosions because the attacks return to you when you dash, which you do frequently while holding down attack.
Any opinions?

[turbid parrot]

nah its mel staff in S everything else in F

[spiral wadi]

tru, mel staff has two individual 67s rn

circe should have one by now but i suck ass rn

[junior trail]

yeah it kinda bricks moros as the returning attacks disappear after contacting mel

inverted is pretty good on mel and supay btw

[lost jolt]

Good to know and glad I didnt pick it lol

[digital juniper]

that 1hp chronos run🥀

[olive tusk]

morrigan in the same tier as melinoe zorophet 3/10 ragebait

[spiral wadi]

legit i reflect on that run a lot, like maybe play it safe and plant my cast and run the hell away LOL

[digital juniper]

aye you made it to chronos like what, 4-5 times already? and had a run that basically was a winner

you’ll soon get it, just gotta get another run where stuff falls into place

maybe you get it it on the sixth time you get to him

[signal coral]

i believe in red

[spiral wadi]

i think 5 or 6 times about

[paper tapir]

what would yall recommend for supay? i tried poseidon dash but its kinda smelly, or im just not playing well lmao

[spiral wadi]

i made it to chronos today but i got goobed by phase not phasing https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1427825137855500388/Hades_II_-_2025-10-14_6-05-08_PM.mp4

[edgy nacelle]

I should keep better track of who here is running 62s/67, and speeds, I didn't actually know red was lol
good luck, and if you have any tips for high fear circe I'd love to hear, I think it's my weapon of choice rn and I'm aiming for 62 (pb is currently 54)

[spiral wadi]

current high fear meta favors taking what ur given and rolling with it, circe high fear was already super flexible in early access so now it's even more strong in current meta

legit it's prob the best aspect to net high fear clears, and prob the easiest to net a 62

still gonna be hard as balls but ye

[edgy nacelle]

54 felt shockingly easy tbh after struggling with surface 40 a month or so back, although I also got very lucky with erebus rng

[spiral wadi]

ye high fear surface kinda sucks lolol

[edgy nacelle]

yup lmao
I'm kinda bouncing between pushing UW fear on circe, trying to do casual speed attempts, and 40f all aspects above and below. it'll get more doable with practice, hopefully

btw, I've def had the most luck with storm ring, but are there other casts in particular you'd recommend looking out for if they show up (for circe specifically)? I haven't been playing high fear with rerolls but I've gotten a lot of zeus luck, and don't want to be overreliant on that lol

[turbid crescent]

since there are 2 of my fav weapons in S tier, I would have to agree

[spiral wadi]

zeus cast is obv the best yea, smolder ring is good but i personally prefer scorch atk, froth/hammer ring is really good aoe (esp if u have howling soul, ik the homing is ass but it's where i got my 62f surface dps), aphro & demeter cast is very strong for room crowd control, falling sword ring is ass don't use it

hera cast is also good for room clears if u happen to have a build that relies on atk/spec dmg

apollo cast is decent but i only prefer it if i have winners circle or if im fishing for blast daze duo

[meager wadi]

if u only have 1 boon from a god and you sacrifice it does it mean a new god can be in the pool

[edgy nacelle]

I kinda love howling soul lol, it's inconsistent but I like it
good to know about all of that, thank you! I also prefer scorch attack lol, but I wouldn't have expected aphro and dem to be good for room clear since their damage is rather low.
also rip sword ring I want to like that boon so bad but it just never feels good...

[spiral wadi]

ur not necesarily using them for dmg but if ur using the fates whim keepsakes then aphro cast does crazy damage for encounter clears, then u just gotta rely on atk/spec for actual beefy dmg stuffs

demeter cast is decent tho i do prefer cast gust for compatibility w other casts

[edgy nacelle]

makes sense, and ofc I'm never mad about covering half the room with freeze

[spiral wadi]

ye, circe's mad flexible where casts can either be strong dmg or strong cc

[meager wadi]

what are athenas best boons?

[edgy nacelle]

again, thank you!
I may ask you more questions over the next couple weeks if you don't mind lol. I've been experimenting with a lot of weapons and only just settled on circe as my high fear aspect of choice (and maybe choice for casual speeds since I need more practice on medea before it's any good) and you seem like the expert

[spiral wadi]

playing with the leash is technically optional but i heavily recommend learning to play with it and try to get as much leash dmg as possible

[edgy nacelle]

oh and I love leash lol, I also like pairing it with froth which I assume works
feels great for early room clear + wards before a build is going, and fun to play around later too

[edgy nacelle]

afaik no, once you get a boon from a god they're in your pool even if you sell it
re: athena boons it depends what you're aiming for. her DD related ones are good but situational, divine dash and mental block are nice, pikes and task force are niche but fun in their niches

[spiral wadi]

i can't guarantee ill see the Qs over the next few weeks, tho there's a high fear channel in the speedcord where u can prob get more advice from other high fear ppl too

[edgy nacelle]

I more mean "if I see you online" lol, I won't randomly ping you but you are "67 circe runner" in my head now lol, so.
and yes, I'm on the speedcord as of recently, will ask stuff there too

[meager wadi]

gotcha and for example in the run im doing rn with medea skull I have zeus ares and hestia if i used a god keepsake it and took the boon from them then my 4 gods would be done right

also for that question what would be the next best god for that combo

[spiral wadi]

lol fair 👍

[spiral wadi]

ye

[edgy nacelle]

yes, but you can force a 5 god pool if you want with another keepsake. I wouldn't generally recommend it but the cap of 4 is only for naturally running into gods mid-run, just FYI
for a fourth I'd prob do apollo since heinous affront is fun, personally, but lots of options are good

[spiral wadi]

prob apollo if ur fishing for heinous affront, also leads nicely into sprint if u don't get light smite

heinous affront has an extremely funny interaction with light smite where each application of wounds will in fact hit every enemy around you in the room with light smite

[edgy nacelle]

the run where I discovered that is one of the most fun runs I've ever had lol, it feels so silly to do
light smite topping the damage board is fun

[spiral wadi]

tru, one of my first 1.0 high fear runs i was surprised i even got light smite in top 5 dmg lmao

i don't think i even had wounds it just happened

ah i did have wounds but no zeus

[humble dagger]

Do people usually go with Fates' Whim or not on higher fear runs?

[meager wadi]

so if i find 4 gods, put a keepsake on that isnt one of those 4 then it becomes a 5 god pool? could i do that to 6 as well or soemthing

[edgy nacelle]

yup
again I wouldn't really recommend it unless you know what you're doing tho, since it makes the chances of seeing any specific god lower
there are some other niche ways to get a 5 god pool too

[edgy nacelle]

yes, as far as I know
I've def had the most success with them, especially on flexible weapons
even stuff like Charon which has a rly strong and obvious starting god keepsake (apollo) does great with fate's whim

[humble dagger]

Cool, I just unlocked Morrigan and I'm trying out fate's whim for the first times too, it's been pretty fun

[edgy nacelle]

morrigan is also a great weapon for it tbh, that thing is crazy versatile and doesn't rely heavily on specific gods, or even % damage vs on hit stuff. hestia and apollo atack both shred 🤷 it's great lol

[junior tinsel]

for vow of denial if i were to take a regular boon (storm ring) over the duo boon (heinous affront) does the duo boon die out or will it stay for next time

[meager wadi]

is there ever a point to use omega atk opr special on medea skull

[split igloo]

duo gets blocked

[edgy nacelle]

not really 🤷
at most to proc Huntress at the start of a room, afaik

[junior trail]

o.atk while enemies in spawn animation or boss phase transition
o.special not rly

[humble dagger]

Questions about god pool: When is it determined? Is it before the run or during? Does choosing a god keepsake or choosing specific rooms in Ephyra affect it?

[steep galleon]

Yes to activate huntress

[tacit crow]

What is the best coat currently and why

[craggy valve]

This may sound silly, but is there a website or guide that shows the similarities in aspects and other things between H1 and H2? For example, “Pan is a worse Chiron,” or “Hitch is Rama as a god boon”? Stuff like that?

[stray notch]

Aspect of Nyx Coat how do you play this? just smash into enemies?

[flint widget]

u activate nightspawn and just spam specials

[viral yew]

No

[flint widget]

if u get zeus specials and shimmering rockets ur room clearing is set for the entire run

bonus points if u get thermal d

[stray notch]

I dont get what these nightspwans are, how do use them?

[flint widget]

nightspawn activates once you sprint long enough and crash into an enemy

youll see it charge up when u sprint

[stray notch]

ahhh so both my attack and special trigger automatically? Like supay?

[flint widget]

nightspawn only lasts for nine seconds tho

[flint widget]

no that's not how that works

[stray notch]

so first I smash in to enemies then I attack normally?

[flint widget]

yes

[stray notch]

ah oook

I would have never get that lol

[junior trail]

nightspawn multiplies attack/special so they spread further, good with on-hit effects (and hitch ig?)

[flint widget]

scorch and poseidon waves on the attacks are op here

[stray notch]

Right now I have hestia on attack and zeus on special, not sure what other gods I should pick tbh, this is amazing already lol

[viral yew]

They are I agree

[junior trail]

thermal pog

[flint widget]

apollo so that u can get blinding rush and potentially warm breeze

poseidon for his cast and potentially scalding vapor

[stray notch]

oki!

[flint widget]

also what are the pre reqs for beach ball again

cuz i think that also leads u to beach ball

[inner frigate]

hi, is there a site with build/combination like the one you just mention for coat ?

[junior trail]

maybe bacon's guide?

[stray notch]

OMG thermal dynamics is broken lol

[steep galleon]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide

[flint widget]

if u get pyro technique then it becomes even more cracked

[junior trail]

and total eclipse with hestia godsent 🙂‍↕️

[flint widget]

hestia godsent literally cheeses rivals scylla it's so funny

[turbid crescent]

I feel like doing a heph caste circe staff build

hestia duo, zeus for the cooler caste (place anywhere) and maybe hestia attack

[flint widget]

ion think chain reaction works with hephs cast

[turbid crescent]

makes sense

[cosmic steppe]

Does Athena's heroic godsent buff allow to exceed the moon water charge limit?

Very niche and mostly useless question but still

Like if you get moon water path of stars up to double godsent without taking any extra charge nodes and then get Athena, you get to more than 3 uses of godsent while only having 3 uses of moon water, that's mildly interesting to find out

[fierce citrus]

whats the best cast for charon axe?
or does it really just not matter

[wet grove]

Apollo/hera

because they do a one time burst of damage and apply a debuff both, so you don't waste dmg by detonating it early

though Local climate and prominence flare are also big buffs to it

[fierce citrus]

alright

also is it worth to be using omega cast with charon axe?

[wet grove]

if you're gonna detonate it with Ospecial like the axe wants you to, no. but if you want to use the cast as a cast and leave it there, then yeah

the Charon axe combo is cast Ospecial, but you don't have to always do just rhat

[fierce citrus]

alright im doing cast and Ospecial

so i wont thanks

[fading sluice]

Something about Hades 2 combat feels super good/fluid/smooth. I played 60+ hours so far, I took a 2 days break to try out other roguelites, but despite the fact that those roguelites have way more build variety in combat compared to Hades 2. I feel like just playing Hades 2 again due to the fluidness (which might be the pros of intention limited build variety design, so they can make the combat flow super good)

[rich belfry]

What should I build with circe staff ? Zeus ring ?

[glass bone]

Storm / Smolder Ring imo.

The former has more single target damage, and can be boosted with so many options (such as Hitch, Double Strike, King’s Ransom, etc.), the latter has more AoE damage, and is half of the way already to Origination being applied.

[weak meteor]

Storm has the advantage of leaning into Air Quality which is a nice little thing for Circe staff already.

But Smolder Ring has Hestia legendary to hope for, which is pretty nice. So both are pretty solid.

[bleak gale]

For higher fears, what's the most tolerable Vow of Rivals?

I'd assume you avoid Rivals 4 for both sides and Underworld Rivals 3 for close range weapon

[glass bone]

The strongest Rivals are Chronos and Typhon (Chronos is more common to get hit, Typhon is more punishing to be hit), followed by Prometheus and Scylla (both have so many movesets you have to learn, and so much projectile spam). Nowadays, I’d then say I’m torn between Hecate, Cerb, and Eris. Polyphemus is by far the easiest imo.

[weak meteor]

I think you just go Rivals 3 for as long as possible. The Rivals 3 are relatively manageable.

Rivals 4 is a fairly big step up.

[glass bone]

Hecate is a timegate, and some Twilight Curse + Hex patterns are ruthless, but the actual damage isn’t as bad as the other two.
Eris can be easy to dodge at times, but with Menace, she can spawn Automatons, and her laser now can actually do some insane damage (I think 60-70 damage at Pain 3?)
And Cerberus gets cheesed so bad by movement speed bonuses, but without, it can be the toughest of the three (assuming the average P2 curse pattern).

[weak meteor]

Cerberus is probably the one I struggle with most, of the Rivals 3 types. But it's doable.

[bleak gale]

I see thanks

Guess I'll do em later, still bound by The Queen card for Duo prophecy lol

[warm latch]

OMFG, so i asked about this yesterday in here, cause i was having a hard time unlocking my last 2 familiar's, cause i swear talked to each of them like 5 times before i got the extra cookie incantation and like 5 times after.... So i looked it up for the 5th time, turns out one prerequisites is you have to use Frinos’ ability to compel a lost soul at least once..... I've only ever used Raki.... LOL

[obtuse roost]

I love anubis

[tacit crow]

Guys is zeus sp gd on pan blades? Kinda wanted to base a build around pan which doesn't use pos sp

[tacit crow]

Anubis slaps

[glass bone]

If the goal is Trick Knives or Special, sure. But OSpecial I feel would instead want Scorch Special or Wave Special.

[vale grail]

for using hestia with the torches what aspects would be best?

[uneven palm]

Would be good on special for any of them, good on Rush for the hidden

Good gain for most too

[tacit crow]

Kinda have used both on O sp but its okay ig, also remind me which one is trick knives again?

[glass bone]

Trick Knives is “When you dash attack, you fire 3 Specials”

[tacit crow]

Okay mate tysm

[sour cape]

I dont think Zeus knives are very good

[proven edge]

need me a nice Eos build