h2-builds-and-combat

[flint widget]

ur right

why apollo cast tho

[empty moat]

big cast

[flint widget]

i think u mean super nova?

cuz that makes casts bigger overtime

[empty moat]

wait i meant apollo special

[flint widget]

id say demeter cast is the take instead of apollo cuz freeze

[empty moat]

for cast i dunno demeter

[flint widget]

for me personally i take hera on the special cuz omega special hitbox is kinda big

[empty moat]

big hitbox big damage

[flint widget]

u let those big balls bounce and it spreads hitch

and then u omega attack and u basically got more aoe

[lean crypt]

[flint widget]

ya that message sounds so sus out of context

[empty moat]

i found the bigger hitbox more comfy since it gives you more space to dodge, the parry is really inconsistant with the omega attack

[flint widget]

u could just attack and move normally while in the big balls hitbox

[empty moat]

every second im not omega attacking with the shiva coat is a second wasted playing this game

[surreal hazel]

you've never just punched everyone, clearly

shiva punch is good

[flint widget]

ignoring omegas, shivas base moveset is really damn solid

[lean crypt]

omg bruh what a spammer

i hate ||zag|| with the stupid spin

[flint widget]

i think someone won 62 fear shiva surface during early access without using the aspect at all

he rawdogged it with blitz on the attack i think

[empty moat]

ill try hera special then, if it doesnt give me my daily intake of serotonin i hope you know that ill put the blame on you

[flint widget]

what did i do

[flint widget]

link to the vod if ur curious: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1uMMXzTE1v

[empty moat]

thx

[static badger]

god i move so slow

[flint widget]

is it like a movement issue or what

[meager wadi]

What aspects are useless to upgrade

I dont seem the appeal in circes cuz its just the link right?

[static badger]

like my sprint and my movement are so so so so slow

I can't get out of the way

[surreal hazel]

of what?

[flint widget]

do u have swift runner

[static badger]

of the aoe

yes I did

[surreal hazel]

iframe it, for the most part

[flint widget]

aoe of what

[static badger]

all of Scyllas aoe

[flint widget]

bro shes slow af

[surreal hazel]

yeah you're gonna need to iframe stuff, and use the patterns to not be in harm's way to begin with

[flint widget]

unless u turn on rivals

[static badger]

I have rivals on

[surreal hazel]

Roxy's patterns are very obvious

[static badger]

the regular fight is super easy

I feel like I'm trying to dodge in slow motion

[flint widget]

i feel like i need to see footage of ur gameplay in order to see whats going on with u

wdym slow motion dodging

is the game like slowing down or smth

[static badger]

I think so lol

[flint widget]

well thats definitely a bug or a problem with ur hardware

[surreal hazel]

either that or you're being pummelled by water spouts

[flint widget]

the waterjets are honestly the most annoying part of rivals scylla

lost so many lovers barriers thanks to that

[eager wharf]

which modifiers are yall running on 24fear surface?

[lean crypt]

hold up

does the poseidon aphrodite duo also remove the range restriction of flutter strike/flourish??

[surreal hazel]

Yes

And glamour gain

[lean crypt]

yeah glamour gain was the one that sprung to mind right when i got it, probably cuz i had that on the first time

never realized it could apply to the attacks

[static badger]

I just don't understand how I lost 200 hp in one hit to scylla

what the crap hit ne

it doesn't matter what I bring to the fight I still get beaten

[flint widget]

what

200 hp one hit?

that is not normal

you must be running max pain or smth

[junior dome]

is the wiki up to date on how to get the lim oros hidden aspect

ive talked to artemis in the woods like 100 times

[patent locust]

What are good hammers for charons axe

[azure notch]

does Aphrodite's duo boon with Apollo work with her Godsent Hex or is there some kind of Heartthrob cap?

[flint widget]

do u have a non mel aspect to rank v

[tulip pier]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

[junior dome]

oh non mel aspect

thanks

[surreal hazel]

yes and yes

there's a cap of 6 and her godsent effect farts them out at high speed, so it's only really relevant when you're hugging a boss

[azure notch]

still that's gotta be insanely high damage. Dark Side makes you impervious so hugging the boss has no real downside

[surreal hazel]

in that instance, yes

you can still be knocked away by damage force, so it's not all free

[bold pollen]

The strongest build I've had so far is "aspect of the morrigan" with final slice + blitz + hestia. No need for special or omega. Just wreck things. I've had more than thousand runs.

With this build, pretty much every attack triggers blitz and applies scorch. Crazy damage.

[old flicker]

found out my favorite weapon on like the next to last aspect I opened. like, the ||hel aspect|| of the skull

[obtuse roost]

How does perse aspect work? It's confusing. Does it depend on the amount of different curses you applied prior to a special?

[leaden zephyr]

I was going to clear 50f with supay but oh lord I suck Soooo much against chronos rivals 😭

[shy moat]

it's a ranged cast that you can stack with your normal cast, the link is actually the least useful part

[meager wadi]

ye the question was above that whether its worth leveling for an aspect it seems pointless

[shy moat]

ah, yeah it's not a big gain

[uncut thistle]

Is it better to start with Jeweled Pom or Calling Card?

[strong mesa]

pom

[static badger]

cmon water fitness

[patent locust]

I use medea, i already have all the ares and zeus things, and i have the appolo revenge boon too, what can i add

[static badger]

hey which is the gain life from max mana boon

[brazen wasp]

so instead of a special i got a heroic aphro attack on mel staff so hiw viable is a build that focuses on attack instead of special

[dreamy sage]

what's the best gain boon?

[static badger]

Born gain

[junior dome]

lol, that's mildly annoying but H2 is much better than H1 overall for 'how do I unlock X' type stuff
the codex upgrade for gifts is so handy

i think this is the first time i legit needed outside help

[lean crypt]

does kings ransom remove hera from my god pool?

[strong mesa]

Hestia gain is often better than born gain now

apollo gain is also very good now

[lean crypt]

depends on the weapon

[strong mesa]

for sure

but atleast on really high fear ive been preferring hestia or apollo over born gain cuz im so low on mana

[glass bone]

No, but maybe yes.

In normal gameplay, no, she is not removed.

But there’s maybe a chance that if you have 5 Gods in the pool already, removing Hera’s boons maybe could pull her out entirely, and thus meaning you get her removed and you can’t get her back without her keepsake

Same thing in reverse for Zeus with Queen’s Ransom.

[full pike]

am i understanding knuckle bones wrong or is it making the enemy take 15% less dmg?

[glass bone]

This is my theory though, so don’t take it as gospel

[lean crypt]

it damages the next boss

[glass bone]

You deal 15% of the next boss’s HP in one burst attack from Knuckle Bones, and Mel takes 10% less damage from said boss

[full pike]

oh ok i thought the loses -15% hp meant he takes 15% less dmg from my attacks but he also deals less ok got it ty guys

[hollow stag]

For Night 1, which boon is more important for Special (40 base damage)? Rare Apollo (+80%) or Epic Poseidon (35 Splash damage)

[viral yew]

What weapon?

Oh staff, probably poseidon

[hollow stag]

Woah, I have an Epic Poseidon Special with Beach Ball Duo before Hecate fight. Thanks Charon for the buy.

[wet grove]

what is the actual play for Anubis staff

is it onhits or % damage

[rare crypt]

any easy/decent builds for mel's staff aspect? i literally have used the staff 3 runs total (2 of them chaos trials), as soon as I unlocked another weapon i haven't touched it (but I do have mel's aspect maxed out)

just trying to get some nightmare with it

[viral yew]

Pos

[viral yew]

What aspect?

[wet grove]

well I started this run with a purple pos attack so thats good

[rare crypt]

mel's

[viral yew]

Mel staff is very flexible, you can play just bout anything, my favourite is aphro ospecial build, but you could go all random gods and have a good time

[rare crypt]

Alright, I'll do Aphrodite.

:)

[keen warren]

anone have an afk build

[viral yew]

Afk builds don't really work in hades 2

[keen warren]

i mean like divine vengeance, self healing, light smite, frosty veneer

dashing curses

[viral yew]

Yeah but there aren't enough vengeance boons/effects to do anywhere near enough damage

No origination either

[keen warren]

whats origination

[wet pawn]

guys what would you consider for an aspect of mel axe build other than apollo attack?

[viral yew]

+50% when 2 curses are applied

[viral yew]

I would consider taking another aspect, fr tho hera/aphro attack

[wet pawn]

why would you use somthing that isn't apollo on the attack wtf

[keen warren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTaFrgNjq6s does that mean this build is impossible with 1..0

[viral yew]

Ofc haelian did it

I mean good luck then

[viral yew]

Because there is more than one build for every weapon? I wouldn't say apollo is even the best

[wet pawn]

never saw a single axe build for any aspect that uses a different atatck

even charon uses apollo attack even tho its just to get the legendary

[brittle wave]

Is there a guide to each aspect

[swift wind]

is there some kind of special upgrade to make the axe not feel like mud to use? striking feels practically unviable it's so slow to swing

[viral yew]

Haelian or boated might have a video, or you can ask here

[viral yew]

U can get a hammer that buffs attack speed

[viral yew]

Doesn't mean you can't use other boons?

[brittle wave]

Ic ty, I will check them out

[cosmic steppe]

screw it im attempting hera attack anubis as my speedrun weapon of choice

[viral yew]

Certainly a choice, whats your best time so far?

[cosmic steppe]

as in, beginning rn

my pb with medea is 9:30

[viral yew]

Technically medea is best but you can play whatever and be fine, I would join the speedcord and get advice there cause my best is only a 6.21

[brittle wave]

What does speed cord mean? And how do I use mel's axe? Like it's combos and boons

[wide pollen]

You can dash while swinging your axe around, that helps a lot. The first two strikes aren't that slow anyway it is just the third strike, so interrupt the combo if you don't want to use the big chop.

[swift wind]

think i felt overforced into the third chop after the hammer that doubles it

[wide pollen]

I like that hammer but chop is still a sometimes move with it

[uneven palm]

Here ya go https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide

[tough vapor]

I know its probably not the best, but apollo cast with charon just FEELS so good

[errant hare]

speedrunning discord for hades 2

[cosmic steppe]

okay i was on track to beat my pb by like 1,5 mins and got comboed by chronos

rare hera attack common hestia special late incandescent aura

can any1 link me the speedcord

[viral yew]

https://discord.gg/HXYVCC3cu

[keen warren]

does anyone have the highest dps build possible

[brittle wave]

Tysm

[brittle wave]

Ic ty

[viral yew]

Medea, zeus special, ares/aphro attack

[keen warren]

also wats the highest health u can get

[tough vapor]

highest ive ever seen was 1.2 k

not my run, but one by tulokthebarbarian

[keen warren]

is it infinite or does the game physically cap it at something

[tough vapor]

ive got my omega special costing 75 and firing 4 times, and I can sit there cast cast cast with each wave to spam the omega cast bursst thx to charon axe lmaohttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/900387359932174442/1427403693283741756/image.png?ex=68eebcc8&is=68ed6b48&hm=c7810b73b2d7d1414363d2561fd3a754d835475b7e12846a98234df999426fa9&

ive been desperate for apollo gain lmao

[viral yew]

Not infinite there's just only so many centaur hearts and health boons you can get

[vale shard]

is old grudge + knuckle bones overkill against typhon? idk if he has 4 different bars or if just 1 that changes every 25%

[surreal hazel]

one big one

[vale shard]

so is it overkill?

[surreal hazel]

at most it will skip phase 1

[vale shard]

doesnt that kinda just happen with old grudge alone then?

[surreal hazel]

since damage gets capped at phase thresholds

[viral yew]

Yeah it just skips phase 1

[vale shard]

just gotta do the 5%

[iron valley]

Hi just wanted to check since I haven't seen it written clearly anywhere (though I didn't go looking outside a few YT videos). Is (post-game keepsake) ||Jewelled Pom|| supposed to stay active after swapping so long as ||"fates whim"|| applies? As in, not just the free ||Hades|| Boon but also the ongoing ||+3 levels|| to new boons gained even after the swap? I had been avoiding swapping it until region 3 or 4, but if the intended behavior is to persist, it seems clear that a wiser progression is ||Pom|| to Fig Leaf/||Calling Card|| to ||Calling Card/Time Piece|| to ||Time Piece||/Heracles/Medea/Hermes/Artemis

[surreal hazel]

yeah, knuckle bones is wasted if you rolled Old Grudge

[vale shard]

assumed as much, ty

[surreal hazel]

swap it asap

all three post game keepsakes stay in effect even after swapping

[viral yew]

U don't need to spoiler tag here btw

[surreal hazel]

as long as you don't break fate's whim

[iron valley]

just being kind but thanks

[vale shard]

that was a messed up mesage

mine that is

[surreal hazel]

technically Unrivalled typhon has a second healthbar

[vale shard]

how about chronos

[iron valley]

wow that's big sad on my part

[surreal hazel]

but old grudge and knuckle bones have one trigger per night so it won't reapply

so on UR chronos you're doing 20% of his first healthbar, so like, 6% of his actual total across the fight

big deal

[vale shard]

so running both in chronos does matter

[surreal hazel]

no

[vale shard]

is knuckle bones also wasted?

[surreal hazel]

you still get phase gated on chronos first healthbar

since he has a health threshold of 75%, 50% and 25% while you're still on round 1

[iron valley]

if you value the total damage reduction to Mel most, yes, I suppose. If you only care about damage to boss, neither are probably exciting enough to use

[wet pawn]

God I hate my PC this piece of trash made me lose against eris on a new save because it decided I'm no longer the one who decides when to move

[vale shard]

im talking purely about the dmg done

[surreal hazel]

it's not good

you're talking knuckle bones for the damage reduction

[iron valley]

yeah I happened to have a Icarus boon for 4k after loss of armor on an Eris fight just now and it didn't break through a checkpoint so I assume all boss health checkpoints are hard "armor" like stops

[surreal hazel]

You will waste both knuckle bones and old grudge just skipping to 75% of the first phase of chronos only

[vale shard]

is the reduction that good?

[surreal hazel]

it does not retrigger per new health bar

[vale shard]

yeah i knew it doesnt trigger on phase 2

[iron valley]

Generally no. I might use it if I have a combination of Vows (especially Frenzy 2 and Rivals 4) and know I just might miss surviving without it (bad luck with hearts or such)

[surreal hazel]

22,000, 18,000 and 26,000 are the hp values for UR chronos

so he has a total of 66k hp

[vale shard]

wow i didnt know phase 2 had less hp

[surreal hazel]

taking Knuckle bones and old grudge will do....5500 damage

[iron valley]

I think non-VoR is 20k for both so I assume phase 2 UR Chronos was a balancing compensation for increased phase 1?

[vale shard]

i see many people taking it, if the dmg is not good, neither is the reduction, then why

[surreal hazel]

about 9% of his hp

[wet pawn]

can steady growth gaun rarity from itself?

[surreal hazel]

knuckle bones gives 15% DR right?

that's pretty good

[vale shard]

yeah 15% at lvl 3

wait no, is 10%

[viral yew]

It's definitely worth it on strength

[vale shard]

is 10% across all levels

[iron valley]

So the reduction isn't really that great except for people just barely able to win the fight but also can't benefit enough from more damage with a different boon. AKA, generally new players and those on tough vow combinations (like more damage and attack/move speed where a tiny misread on positioning hits like a truck). And, as @viral yew said, it helps amplify the damage reduction arbitrage from Strength

[surreal hazel]

10% is okay

but you're abbreviating the easiest phase of the fight

[vale shard]

so bones is generally not worth taking then]]

[viral yew]

I don't take it anymore but I used to almost every run

[surreal hazel]

it looks much better than it is, but if you have no other big keepsake to choose on zone 4 then.... maybe?

You get it really early so it's often your only real choice

[vale shard]

i really have no interest on anythig by then

even with death, i i think i prefer bones over tooth

[viral yew]

Yeah i never know what to take zone 4

[split igloo]

same kinda just kinda taking bones just in case

biggest contenter lately i see is hermes

[surreal hazel]

metallic droplet

[split igloo]

yeaaa

[vale shard]

i dont like droplet, i like taking my time

i do all the side rooms

[split igloo]

zone 4 is zoom zoom zoom most of time

[surreal hazel]

embryo and roll the dice

[viral yew]

I love droplet actually

[surreal hazel]

Concave stone to roll different dice

[iron valley]

What do you particularly look for to help you in Region 4? I like having more damage most of the time so I almost always go for Hermes (Mercury Droplet). If I have Cherished Heirloom active, I'll go for Heracles (Lion's Fang), or very rarely Medea (Fleece). If I feel like gambling I'll go Artemis. If I know I have absurd damage but low survivability I'll consider Moros (Engraved Pin) or Odysseus (Knucklebones)

[vale shard]

embryo has too much hit or miss for zone 4

[vale shard]

i dont particularly look for anything by then, thats why i take bones most of the time

[split igloo]

pic embryo get gathering bonus 😛

[surreal hazel]

white antler for the lolz

[vale shard]

yeah chaos has so much random stuff thats just not worth in zone

[iron valley]

Try Hermes next time and see how you like it. I severely underestimated how powerful 20% to attack and channel and move speed was at first.

[vale shard]

i dont, i dont like rushing

[iron valley]

If that happened to me I think I'd uninstall

[vale shard]

i would love droplet if it wasnt timed

normally i do pom>concave stone>hammer>bones, might swap stone with embryo and then bones with stone

yeah i think ill try that

[iron valley]

Not sure what exactly you mean by rushing unless you can't even get to final boss within 5 minutes since I find the extra attack speed to be so useful even if I don't have it up for the whole final boss fight.

[vale shard]

thats exactly what i mean

it just expires too fast for my liking

[split igloo]

huh not pom>card? o,o

do i overestimate the power

[vale shard]

no is really strong, i just dont like card, not random enough

[split igloo]

well my usual is that similar pom>card>hammer>bones yea

kinda natural choice lol

[vale shard]

Card counters the natural choice imo, that's why I dont like it 😂 but is very strong

[iron valley]

Interesting, it seems you play more of a planning strategy version of the game where you want to play slower and adapt to what you are given. I haven't tried to do something like this yet besides working with Fate's Whim.

[hollow stag]

For Night 1 on Staff with Poseidon Special and Beach Ball Duo, which is better? Arctic Ring or Flash Fry, or Smoulder Ring

[split igloo]

except sometimes phial if i get gamechanging opportunity like single common boon i want to heroic

[vale shard]

I would take card if it increased random rarities of boons, but since I get to pick, I dont find it as fun

[surreal hazel]

card is saved for Hermes boons since he has a naturally lower rarity rate and they scale well on rarity

[vale shard]

Other way around, no planning

Pure random

Thats why I love pom

More random boons for me

[split igloo]

yea when i first unlocked pom i wasnt sure if i like it because i could no longer steer into ridiculous combinations but in the end i pref not steering more random better yea

pick denial if want more randomness while at fates whim

[vale shard]

I never used god keepsakes or rerolls before 1.0 anyway, so pom was just insane addition for me

[split igloo]

thing is if you get highroll build while playing fates whim stuff its reallyyy ridiculous

[keen warren]

Why not Apollo attack

[viral yew]

Apollo attack is buns on medea, less damage and the range does nothing

[junior dome]

Oh, morigan is the one bow aspect from h1

Is it any good?

[viral yew]

Bow?

[edgy nacelle]

huh? which bow aspect…?
morrigan is good yeah, the best blades aspect in h2, but idk which bow it’s similar to

[junior dome]

In h1 one of the bow aspects fired multiple seeking shots

Or maybe it was s hammer upgrade for the bow

[edgy nacelle]

that’s similar to aspect of pan, not morrigan

[junior dome]

Oh right, pan

[keen warren]

why ares or aphro

[edgy nacelle]

pan used to be op but is a lot jankier now so it’s just okay, sadly

[junior dome]

Morigan is the 3s thing

[cerulean panther]

Unless you have Trick Knives in which case there's an argument for best Aspect in the game.

[edgy nacelle]

fun! and insane with trick knives (a daedalus hammer upgrade)
but I like it less than I did chiron, it feels slower to play

[viral yew]

Go watch the world record for ares, aphro is just most %damage

[junior dome]

Is trick knives the split on hit?

[edgy nacelle]

trick knives is “dash strikes also fire 3 specials”
which makes it so you don’t need to omega special on pan, and can weave in attacks rly easily too

it’s amazing on every blade aspect tho tbh, great hammer

[cerulean panther]

With Trick Knives you don't really press Special, you just spam Dash-Strikes like you're Zag.

[split igloo]

wait you have more special on pan trick dash-strike?

[edgy nacelle]

you don’t have more specials but it’s way faster than playing pan normally.

• you can put blitz or something on attack and actually benefit, whereas base pan benefiting from your attack boon can be kinda awkward

[junior dome]

Wait, pan is homeseeking special on your cast area, right?

Do you just dash strike or do you keep your cast up too?

[cerulean panther]

Use your Cast.

[split igloo]

but yea then kinda why even play pan if you aim for trick build xd

[edgy nacelle]

for trick knives builds? both

[cerulean panther]

Genuinely how I feel.

[edgy nacelle]

because the triple specials still home in on enemies within your cast, and pierce other enemies on the way.
it doesn’t rly feel like pan and I’m sad normal pan isn’t that good anymore, but pan is imo the best with trick knives out of the aspects which can use it at all, even tho it’s op on all of them 🤷

[cerulean panther]

I'll run Trick Knives, it's one of a handful of 67F clears, but few things in this game felt as good as dropping an Exceptional Talent full charge O-Special and running away.

I'm just now realizing it was practically this game's Hunting Blades, and now it's gone.

[edgy nacelle]

I like normal pan a lot tho lol I miss it feeling more smooth. was one of my favorites, I still like it just not for high fear rly

[junior dome]

I tried it out, just felt like a lot of setup for average damage

And I'd run out of magick fast

[unkempt crypt]

I just started trying out the Aspect of Anubis. Is its DPS inherently really low, or am I just not understanding how to use it properly?

[edgy nacelle]

Anubis ticks fast but does low base damage, so a great way to make it feel op is with on-hit effects like scorch and splash!
the omega attack also does higher damage, so positioning that well is important (and if you have a % damage attack boon then the omega attack is gonna be your focus even more so)

• make sure you’re not spamming the attack, use it more like a cast and then spam special if anything

[junior dome]

Huh, anubis good with freezer burn?

[unkempt crypt]

The attack seems almost redundant with cast.

[viral yew]

Huh?

[edgy nacelle]

hard disagree
2 casts is good, it’s why circe is an extremely good weapon lol
like. don’t play scorch cast and scorch attack, but layer damage effects

[edgy nacelle]

also yeah sure! it stacks up scorch really fast so with freeze on cast (or special) that’s great.
you can also go the route of burning desire + pyro technique, and/or the poseidon duo

[junior dome]

Hestia is like the skyrim stealth archer build of this game

I commit to trying a new strategy, keep making small tweaks, and oops I'm just stacking burn again

[iron valley]

also pro tip is to use omega attack and then put cast down in the overlap between the omega attack and the regular attack, and then use special to pull everything in and get stuck

[median pawn]

frenzy 1 rivals 4 is something to be experienced
should I get used to frenzy first then go for rivals or just raw dog it

cant beat chronos or typhon on frenzy 1

with rivals i mean

[edgy nacelle]

hmm. are you comfortable with the rivals fights without frenzy?
if you are then I think just go for it, getting used to frenzy vs mobs won’t necessarily help you get used to it vs specific bosses

[median pawn]

chronos p3 is pretty rough

but yeah getting used to rivals first makes more sense

[edgy nacelle]

yeah, learn what his attacks do first then speed them up, imo. you can just do both at once but it’ll take more tries lol

[cosmic steppe]

shattered my medea pb with anubis by like 40s

[viral yew]

Noice

[edgy nacelle]

I suck so bad at medea so I’m w you there.
haven’t tried anubis for speeds but circe and supay have been fun

[viral yew]

I love playing medea

[edgy nacelle]

I love the idea of playing medea
</3 maybe one day the reality won’t be a skill issue

[viral yew]

You'll catch up to me eventually

[pearl ice]

does snuffed candle work with the final final boss with oath of rivals going?

[viral yew]

Yes

[junior dome]

wait is morigan actually good?
tried it and it just feels really slow?

[viral yew]

Morrigan is insanely good

[lavish hare]

so does Air Quality interact with scorch?

[edgy nacelle]

morrigan is good but it takes more effort to use well than some weapons! it’s very combo heavy

[viral yew]

No

[lavish hare]

ahh so my past run was just placebo effect

[edgy nacelle]

it used to, but it no longer does sadly. altho it’s very easy to make scorch op without it lol

[junior dome]

mb rivals polyphemus wasn't my best trial run for it...

[edgy nacelle]

ahh yeah, practice the combos against skelly a bit tbh! they’re fun af if you can get used to them

[junior dome]

is the 777 combo the big thing? or getting 3 ticks per swing with something like scorch?

[glass bone]

Well, it’s because Morrigan is multifaceted.

[junior dome]

keeping the special proccing blitz on something constantly while you hit it with the attack

[glass bone]

There’s the Triad build (with or without scorch), a build revolving around OAttack and Sweeping Ambush, and an Attack build with Final Slice

And to be clear, these things aren’t mutually exclusive.

[edgy nacelle]

I think learning the 777 combo is a really good idea! but you won’t use it 100% of the time
morrigan doesn’t need to focus on it, but it can and it’s strong. it’s a very versatile weapon 🤷

[glass bone]

You can focus on hitting Triads, and going for just OAttacks, or doing some Scorch setup via the OAttack, etc.

[junior dome]

oh i was focusing on Ospecial

i guess you can leave the special spinning in mid air and then alternate attack, Oattack?

[rain hazel]

Damn, Anubis sorta rips through Typhon

[zealous crane]

curious what boons or gods work well with aspect of charon axe?

[polar prawn]

lucid gain works really well since you get magick back when casts expire, and you're popping your cast as your main damage source

Flood Gain and Tranquil are okay alternatives IMO, and Born Gain is Born Gain

throw something %based on your special like Hera, Apollo, etc -- I like apollo because i'm addicted to fishing for his legendary

while not the main cast boon, Poseidon's Geyser Spout is huge for that extra 150 damage

[odd fulcrum]

Question, is it possible to get triple helix hammer on Shiva torches?

[edgy nacelle]

shiva torches….? shiva isn’t a torch

[odd fulcrum]

Shiva aspect of the torches lol

[edgy nacelle]

shiva is an aspect of the coat
torches = mel moros eos supay

[odd fulcrum]

Oh wait im stupif

[edgy nacelle]

afaik hidden helix (+1 special projectile) is available on everything other than Eos. wish it worked on Eos, idk why it doesn’t

[odd fulcrum]

I meant the torches hidden aspent

[edgy nacelle]

then yes! supay can get 3 specials, it’s great on it too imo

[odd fulcrum]

Sweet, thanks

[coral spoke]

I'm trying to get renewed faith from athena. It's the death defiance one. Do i need to have all of my death defiances to be spent to get it?

I just wanna get that little scroll off so the fates are happy

[edgy nacelle]

you just need at least one spent afaik?
being rerolls to try to fish for it

[tough vapor]

curious to understand what I might be doing wrong, thoughts on my aspect of charon fates whim arcana set up? any glaring flaws?https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/900387359932174442/1427439665887051957/image.png?ex=68eede48&is=68ed8cc8&hm=fcd6b5b89206695ea5c1bf2a1dc936a745de2032854297662f8bdac35bd7057f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1566&height=881

[edgy nacelle]

origination >>>>> unseen is the big one
huntress also does nothing for charon but you need it for a row of 5, hmm

you could swap to Death and run lovers instead of messenger + huntress?
lovers is also rly good in general, highly recommend. but origination is the big one

[edgy egret]

aspect of charon solos aspect of nergal so hard

[tough vapor]

see, I stuggle giving up unseen, my last charon run I didnt get a gain boon till tartaros

[edgy egret]

the damage is unbelievable i got typhon to secnod phase in literally 2 hits

granted i used a trick with giga cleaver where u press cast right before the second goes off so u get 2 full specials

[edgy nacelle]

the thing is, Unseen on its own is nowhere near enough magick regen to sustain Charon, and then once you get a good gain boon Unseen is useless, so it’s… odd
tbh I’d just reroll your seed if you don’t get a good gain by the time you leave region 1. hecuba also helps!

but origination is by FAR the best 5 cost card, even if you keep unseen I’d take it over excellence in that case

cause unseen does help you out if you have bad luck, which is nice on fate’s whim for sure. I just dislike it is all lol

[tough vapor]

ive allways struggled to make origination work in my brain, im a biig "do 1 action till everything dies" kinda guy

[edgy nacelle]

origination is p chill, every god has at least one status curse so most of the time you activate it without even meaning to tbh

[static badger]

why is water fitness not showing up when I have 6 water

[edgy nacelle]

bad luck 🤷

[static badger]

I'll have to waste my rerolls up until scylla

I need all the health I can get

even though I haven't gotten hit once

I thought for sure Hecate would've gotten me but Frinos saved the day

[hallow cobalt]

Super late reply but whats lucid gain

[cerulean panther]

Apollo's Gain.

[hallow cobalt]

Oh okay

[junior dome]

gain boons seem like a major barrier to some builds
i often find that only 1 or 2 gains will even feasibly work for certain builds, so by habit i've just

gravitated towards not or rarely using omegas on most builds
which has led to not using hex's, which I haven't missed, also not having a gain makes it easy to use huntress

[stable herald]

Unseen makes any gain viable for the most magick hungry builds, but you're better off saving 5 grasp and picking one of the best gains

Unseen is to teach players to use other cards

[rugged moon]

Unseen is… so bad

[sacred storm]

agreed. unseen is fine when you're starting out, but once you've played enough to learn how much magic things cost, it's better to drop it and just take a gain boon that can keep up with your anticipated magic spend and/or playstyle. (e.g. lucid gain synergizes absurdly well with charon and circe, glamour/tough/grisly all have uses if you're not spending magic at all, born gain is just generically good, etc.)

[junior dome]

cardio has covered my needs most of the time

[sacred storm]

i'll also say that, imo, divinity is neat but not so good that it's worth actively going for most of the time. more of a bonus to a setup or a "eh i'm only one card away from filling a row, might as well" sort of thing

[junior dome]

especially on torches where your magick need is mostly just the Oattacks that come from holding down M1 all fight

at what fear level do people start taking void and actively using judgement?

[sacred storm]

i'm not a high fear player myself but from what i understand max void is basically one of the last vows you take

so basically max fear or close to it

[junior dome]

its funny though, h1 the mirror was basically off at max heat
but h2 you start with a few arcana and get more as the run goes on

[rugged moon]

63

[junior dome]

lol

so literally the last thing

[sacred storm]

turns out the arcana are good, who knew

[rugged moon]

Judgement is not a good arcana especially at high fear

You compound your weakness and just make your strong stronger

[junior dome]

"oh look, i suddenly got death defiances and now strength stopped working"

[past salmon]

At max fear you get nothing too

[junior dome]

oh? i thought judgement would turn on by default with 0 grasp

[past salmon]

Judgement doesn't activate no

[rugged moon]

Judgement requires at least one card active

[sacred storm]

no, you need at least 1 active card

[rugged moon]

All the 0s do

[junior dome]

oh lol

[sacred storm]

iirc it's because there's a prophecy to beat hecate with no arcana active and if you unlocked judgement before fulfilling it, it would become impossible to do.

[rugged moon]

Not just judgement

[junior dome]

i think there's a chaos trial that turns off all arcana

[rugged moon]

Also it would. There is a no arcana chaos trial

Queen would also be active at 0 cards without the rule

[sacred storm]

i don't think sgg wants players to rely on chaos trials to beat their prophecies. like, they're a valid way of doing so, but i suspect they wanted them doable in normal runs regardless of progression.

[rugged moon]

That was how i finished the epilogue prophecy

[junior dome]

it would probably be pretty bad if judgement was active with 0 grasp

because then the high fear runs would become reliant on absurd rng

moreso than they probably already are

they'd probably just mod it...

[junior dome]

yeah, for beating specific bosses its handy

[rugged moon]

Trial of doom is Oceanus + Pin which i legitimate think was intentional for the epilogue prophecy

[junior dome]

oh, i just took the death arcana as insurance and did it normally

although i think i managed to activate the pin all 3 times successfully, so I don't properly know if the epilogue requirement is met if you use a DD

[rugged moon]

True but it took me like two minutes because i didnt bave to do zone 1

[golden relic]

whats the list of things sea star can duplicate?

[glass bone]

Centaur Hearts, Magick Bottles, Coins, the different sizes and variants of those items, and Onion from Vow of Forfeit

[golden relic]

Thanks. Can it dupe coin from ||time piece||?

[glass bone]

||Iirc, yes, because the coins are spawned onto the ground.||

Also the resource items such as Bones or Psyche can be duplicated

[zinc jungle]

Is there a channel we can post clips in? I just dodged the triple Sheep ball during the Bullet Hell pattern in Rivals Hecate without getting hit and I think it might be useful for everyone to see and recreate.

[glass bone]

There is #h2-victory-boasting . Though it’s mainly supposed to be for posting clear screens, some post other things in it

[hallow quiver]

wait what? no theyre not, you instantly get them

[zinc jungle]

Ahh okay I thought that was only for victory screens, I do post in there but I didn't know clips were allowed

[hallow quiver]

am i severely misremembering

[zinc jungle]

I'll go head and post it there if anyone is interested, because it's IMO one of the hardest attack patterns to dodge in the entire game when the mechanics overlap, so I know for at least my own purposes I'll be studying what I did for future reference.

[glass bone]

Ok yeah, you are right

@golden relic I am wrong. ||Time Piece insta collects, so you shouldn’t be able to duplicate its gold. But what you can do is dupe one reward, and sell the duped item||

[rare grove]

Anubis with support fire, scorch, chain lightning and the minimum damage is 50 Zeus infusion is stupid (and very fun)

[compact ginkgo]

Have a question about twilight curse, there’s an upgrade to do 400 dmg to guardians but every time I use it on guardians it says immune lol. I’m confused as to what is going on

[rugged moon]

Its just immune to polymorph

[slate yarrow]

it just means they're immune to the curse itself. it should still be doing damage

[rugged moon]

Its still taking the damage

[zinc jungle]

I don't get what the point of ||Time Piece|| is tbh. I literally JUST unlocked it in this very run, but I have no clue what the point is. Isn't it just an extra ||Pool of Purging||? Isn't that like, really weak?

[stable herald]

It lets you convert rewards before picking them up, and also the gold amounts are huge

Like 200-500 gold depending on what you're purging

[static badger]

he got the rolex

[zinc jungle]

ohhhh interesting, that's actually sick then, so if you don't like your options you can just take gold off rip instead of picking up the boon

[stable herald]

Yeah exactly, it's helpful since you can't just reroll away bad rewards

[zinc jungle]

okay so if there's like an optimal "order" to do ||Fate's Whim|| Keepsakes, what would it be?

[static badger]

say that 5 times fast

[stable herald]

Always open with Jewelled Pom, the bonus stays after you switch it

[zinc jungle]

I'm thinking like, rarities first, then poms, then gold?

[zinc jungle]

they all stay after you switch, all of them are worded the same "while under Fate's Whim"

so what matters is do you care about poms early or rarity early and im thinking rarity

then gold last

[stable herald]

Yeah but the poms are more useful from the start imo, +4 poms is almost always better than a rarity upgrade

[zinc jungle]

You can always get natty poms too though, and rarity makes the poms scale better

I feel like your earliest boons are the ones you want to be the highest rarity, like whatever is core to your build / win condition

[rugged moon]

No it doesnt

Rarity and poms scale independently

Also you have a limited number or rarity ups but the poms apply to every boon

[zinc jungle]

i could have sworn a pom on an epic made a bigger difference than a pom on a common.

[rugged moon]

No

[zinc jungle]

wait so in that case poms are MORE effective on common boons

holy, my world is flipped

[stable herald]

You'll never get enough poms to compensate for +4 on all your region 1 boons, esp Ephyra

[zinc jungle]

I've been playing with wrong math for over 200 hours on H2 alone

pretty sure I've thought that ever since H1

[rugged moon]

Essentially? In the end its almost the same. Most of the tome i pom is equivalent in increase to a rarity up

[zinc jungle]

Ok true, I wasn't even considering Ephyra since I'm currently in an Underworld run

[uncut quiver]

why would the game even give me engraved pin when i have strength on😭 (im still doing the great chaos above and im so close to going insane)

[rugged moon]

Even in uw youd have to get like 9-15 poms to equate to jeweled pom

[zinc jungle]

true but rarity can even the scales natty while Marco is right, you'll never get enough natty poms to make up for that much value.

[rugged moon]

I think tbe biggest thing is just usage

[zinc jungle]

Jeweled Pom first, always. So then Calling Card next, since you don't wanna rarify lategame, followed by Time Piece?

[rugged moon]

Rarity up has 6 usage. Vs pom having infinite

[silent crow]

poms & rarity are pretty dfifferent for specific boons

[rugged moon]

Depends

I rarely use both time piece and rarity up

[zinc jungle]

Another excellent point, idk why I was even thinking Rarity first, I think it's just bc I unlocked it first natty so I had that before I even had the Jeweled Pom

[stable herald]

Yeah more or less. You also don't have to use all three, I still go for Moon Beam or Experimental Hammer in Fates' Whim runs. Or any non-Olympian keepsake that provides more value

[zinc jungle]

I just meant if you were going for a run with all 3

[rugged moon]

In that case it depends on uw or surface

Uw id go card into time piece

Because time piece can eat all the lovely mini rewards in fields

[stable herald]

And lowkey... I still take Gorgon Amulet in region 4 sometimes even if it disables whim

[zinc jungle]

Does the Chaos Egg disable Fate's Whim?

[rugged moon]

No

But surface i like time piece into card because you still get like ashes and mana in thesaly

[zinc jungle]

disabling whim doesn't undo your poms tho right?>

[rugged moon]

While the rarity up can be really nice on Olympus where it can make athena and dio heroics

[rugged moon]

Correcr. Just turns off any remaining usages

[zinc jungle]

yeah it makes sense to disable whim in region 4, but I like going for full fate's whim runs using all 3 keepsakes for funsies

[stable herald]

No, it's not retroactive. Just no fates whim bonuses going forward, so use up all ypur calling card/time pieces charges if you are doing that

[rugged moon]

But yeah timepiece into fields is great

Because that like 10 health or mana? 200+ gold

That random ash? Gold

[zinc jungle]

for about 90% of my playtime I only picked the weapon with the most bones and picked the Fear and path that would give me Nightmare for that weapon, so I kinda always did leave my runs up to the "Fate's whim" in a way lol

[rugged moon]

That single hex path? Gold

[mystic current]

This is a journey into money

Loads of money

[zinc jungle]

OHHHH I MISREAD IT

I had no idea you could turn minor rewards into gold too

[rugged moon]

Yeah

[zinc jungle]

I was thinking only boons because I read it so fast

[rugged moon]

Major rewards are more gold but its still 200 for minors

[zinc jungle]

okay yeah this thing is kinda broken, but I'm saving it for the Fields for sure

[sour cape]

Who do you think is the least used god?

[mystic current]

Artemis

[rugged moon]

Ares

[mystic current]

:^)

[zinc jungle]

Ares/Heph/Poseidon because they require the most to get going maybe?

[rugged moon]

Heph and pos are amazing

Especially now that pom meta is a thing

[zinc jungle]

I feel like Pos only pops off with his Legendary

[sour cape]

Hmmm ive used Poseidon a ton back in EA, and Heph for high fear runs when Earth was really good

Ares has some really strong cast effects I think

[rugged moon]

A common sea star with jpom is 40% epic is 50%z Froth is absurdly good damage. Heph with jpom is often already down to like 4s

[zinc jungle]

I feel like Pos was broken in EA but hasn't been the same since like, the Unseen update or something

[sour cape]

True he has been nerfed quite a bit

[zinc jungle]

interesting

[rugged moon]

Jpom meta is amazing for both of them

[sour cape]

And his best aspects also nerfed a lot

[zinc jungle]

I really haven't played around enough with snea snar

mostly just with Zeus because Zeus is so OP

[rugged moon]

Sea star is super underrated

[sour cape]

Idk how Zeus remains really good

Had his only weakness, Ionic Gain made usable

[zinc jungle]

lightning go brrrr

[silent crow]

pos was ass for like 90% of EA

[sour cape]

Ionic Gain truly was the most useless boon

[zinc jungle]

very early on he was like, completely broken

[silent crow]

wasnt him as much as it was one aspect

[rugged moon]

Honestly Pos feels like hes in a better place then he ever was rn

[sour cape]

No way, Pan and Momus were giga broken and used Poseidon

[zinc jungle]

idk when he was nerfed

[rugged moon]

Sure but only those aspects.

[silent crow]

u clicked him for 2 aspects in every other run u never wanted to see him

[sour cape]

Well they were the strongest aspects and relied on Poseidon hmm

[rugged moon]

Pan was… never the strongest

[zinc jungle]

I think the issue with Pos isn't that he's not strong, but that you don't want to see Pos during a run you're not planning to play Pos, you know? I feel the same about Heph. Unless you're going for a dingdong run, seeing Heph randomly is kinda ehhh

[silent crow]

pos is in a pretty good spot rn

[rugged moon]

Disagee lyrist

Pos and heph has amazing support

[sour cape]

Pan I think was prob in contention after Momus rework

And before Pan nerfs

[rugged moon]

No way

[stable herald]

Heph support boons are amazing, I miss pre-nerf EA Heph

[silent crow]

a god making 1 aspect good doesnt mean the god is good its just the stars aligning

[zinc jungle]

There was a while when Pan was arguably the strongest Daggers aspect. I always preferred Artemis but Pan was undeniably strong for a while.

[silent crow]

famous Mynt Condition

[sour cape]

Yep Heph support with OP Dem infusion

[rugged moon]

Stroggest daggers yes. But daggers has basicly forever been one of the weakest bases

[junior trail]

okay but EA natural selection tho

[silent crow]

wasnt daggers like turbo meta towards the end of EA with trick knives

[sour cape]

Idk why Artemis parry was nerfed

Its. ot like it was even thaat good at its height

[silent crow]

that sht was ass what are you on about 💔

[rugged moon]

Medea is best by far

[silent crow]

no 😼

[zinc jungle]

If you're like me, you almost always played the Dark Thirst weapon or w/e that gave more bones, so you played the daggers anyway.

[rugged moon]

But yeah heph has always been the best support

Trusty is silly

[sour cape]

It was fun, but it was always competing with pre nerf Pan and buffed torches, and Medea skull

[rugged moon]

Uncanny is great. Blasts was good

[zinc jungle]

In any case, I don't think Pos or Heph are bad, just that their core boons aren't great if you're not planning to lean into them.

Ares is genuinely bad though IMO

[sour cape]

Froth is good and Pos legendary is real strong

[rugged moon]

Heph is always good on your low use stuff because high damage

Froth made pos soooo good as a primary now

Which it didnt have for most of ea

[silent crow]

this the problem with good builds in this game the power level is very like

Aspectless--------Most weapons-------------------------------------------- Medea

[rugged moon]

And jeweled prom made heph good because can reasonably get 2s blasts

[silent crow]

i think pos cast being not a dud slot is notable

[sour cape]

Medea aspect has great dmg but I always suck at it

Just kinda face tanking and dmg racing

[rugged moon]

Yeah big buff. Pos use to be terrible in every songle primary slot and no longer is

[sour cape]

Pos was decent for dagger primary

if you going for attack spam

Its a pretty weak build though 💀

[rugged moon]

Eh it was fine but still didnt compare to freezer burn daggers

[silent crow]

there was like a short period of time where pos daggers was technically optimal by process of elimination

the time between the first EA patch and scorch getting buffed to 80dps

[sour cape]

I wish Pan wasnt nerfed so much

Or they at least made the daggers not randomly circle and miss

[sour cape]

Isnt Ares pretty good for Medea attack?

[silent crow]

yea pretty sure

[sour cape]

I go

Zeus, Apollo, Dem, Ares for Cast builds too

Well for Circe

Charon prob Apollo, Dem, Aree

[silent crow]

in casual play (<45f no wards) i actually think ares atk is similar to hera

[rare grove]

Ares in support is nice tho - add blades to your aoe omega attacks is nice. his mana renewal boon is more trouble than it’s worth tho

[rugged moon]

Circe pos with winners circle is super fun

[sour cape]

His mana renewal does just seem bad

[silent crow]

it is!

[sour cape]

Its really inconsistent

Dem despite her infusion extreme nerf, I think still has my vote for my overall fav

[junior trail]

but ppl complained about mortal gain every 10 mins in feedback

[silent crow]

who the hell complained about mortal gain

that has got to be the least complained about boon ever

because nobody picked it 😼

[sour cape]

Which ones mortal gain?

I complained about Ionic gain a lot during EA

[silent crow]

ares old gain, prime max HP for magic refill

like a worse born gain

because the magic refill isnt a guaranteed full refill

its a set amount based on poms and rarity which is total sht 💔

[junior trail]

it was good with pan for ez arterial tho

[silent crow]

and also im pretty sure this was the fine line moros torch era where people were farming 2s boss kill clips with white antler

[sour cape]

Grevious Blow is also pretty dang good

[silent crow]

and mortal gain + white antler bricks your magic bar

[silent crow]

i dontr know why they nerfed it ares wasnt like op

[sour cape]

Hmmm yea it seems Ares just pretty good for Casts

Got good duos, buffs to omega moves and the blade rift

[silent crow]

ares cast is like really bad without the duos though

[sour cape]

Oh yea his primary cast is bad but you want Meat Grinder and Cut Above

[keen warren]

having a real bad unlucky time with surface runs i hate polyphemus

[sour cape]

Good dmg adders for casts

Although wait, cant be combined with Prominence Flare??

Is that true? Coulda sworn it could

[silent crow]

they patched that out i think

[silent crow]

you wanna be staying away from him most of th eifhgt

[sour cape]

Yea cos you stack em up and its good value

[silent crow]

the ideal start on the surface is to craft a super strong build in ephyra already so that when you face polyphemuis you can afford to play super safe

[polar prawn]

primed-HP mortal gain was such a cool concept and i prefer it over plasma drops, running around picking stuff up for mana just isn't my thing (like old poseidon gain)

[keen warren]

yeah i cant get away from the red damage? not the circle one i can dash torugh that and the poison sometimes

[polar prawn]

gotta dash through his waves, rather than away if you're not already doing that

[keen warren]

the mini red blasts i mean

[sour cape]

Air Quality + Dem cast + Dem Tornado + Prominence Flare + Meat Grinder is really funny

[silent crow]

when he stomps the ground?

[keen warren]

ye

i need an actual plan for boons because im just picking random on vibes

[silent crow]

vel already said to dash through that but alternatively you can dash and run away and watch for the timing from there

[sour cape]

Dont attack him when he's listening for things

As he does a very hard to dodge boulder

And just dash through his stomps to get a few hits

If Rivals.... Medea is extreme pain but you can cure poison on the sides

[polar prawn]

if you're close up and attack his listening mode i find it's pretty easy to dodge if you proc his jump, make some distance, and then dash through the boulder projectiles on reaction, though ymmv

[sour cape]

You can try going for ranged cast builds they pretty good vs most things

[keen warren]

sometimes i cant also im too slow

[sour cape]

Just keep dropping a Zeus cast on him

[keen warren]

ill try haelieans anubis build soon when im bothered

[sour cape]

dont even need to dash near him

I recommend Circe

[polar prawn]

lightning lance my beloved

[silent crow]

oh god what is haelian's anubis build

[keen warren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTXur7xV7Qc

[polar prawn]

he uploaded one today from a viewer rec, apollo attack on anubis

[silent crow]

generally i feel like haelian doesn't recommend actually easy builds because he's good at the game 💔

[polar prawn]

BIG fields lmfao

[keen warren]

big ahh fields

[sour cape]

I feel like Haelian has some click bait builds

[silent crow]

"Will i call this thing okay"

[keen warren]

the only easy build is circe staff and torches and zeus boons

[compact magnet]

Question -- how does Security System (The Heph boon that gives temp armor at the start of encounters) interact with having existing armor?
For example, say I exit the previous room with 50 armor. I enter the next room, get +100 temp armor from Security System. I take a hit losing 25 armor, then the 7 seconds end so Security System's armor is to be removed. Do I go down to 50 armor, or down to 25 armor?

[silent crow]

i dont thikn any of them are clickbait as much as they are misleading for his usual audience

[sour cape]

Well all the titles sayibg this build is op

When its kinda mid 😭

[silent crow]

i suppose

[keen warren]

yeah you do go down to 25

[polar prawn]

you lose armor in the following priority: security system > trusty > permanent armor

[keen warren]

ive had that happejn in my run

[sour cape]

Because yea hes kinda too good at the game

[silent crow]

security system is so hellish just give us mint condition back whats the problem

[sour cape]

That everything looks op

[compact magnet]

I got two different answers huh

[silent crow]

just charge in like an idiot you aren't going to be playing around the numbers anyway

[compact magnet]

Well it's relevant in this specific instance bc I wanna know if I can afford to treat Security System like a Hydraulic Might because I have Heavy Metal

[sour cape]

You know what is Eos supposed to be good at?

[silent crow]

nothing

[sour cape]

The big ghost I guess is decent

[polar prawn]

according to the hades speedrunning server "temporary armor" through the Hex nodes and Security go first, then Trusty Shield

Courtesy of Hippo in that server: "So looking at the armor code (which is very complex), Security System and the 3 hexes that add temporary armor all use the same 'Temporary' flag, so they all get treated the same way. Temporary armor now gets used before trusty shield (fixed from patch 10), but I can't see any handling for which source of temporary armor gets used first if you have multiple. It might be essentially random, or maybe based on the order you got the temporary armor boons. No idea about the silken sash bug you're describing."

[sour cape]

But like idk

[silent crow]

i havent used eos in an actual year

[junior trail]

zeus special and arc flash or romantic, aka just torches thing

[silent crow]

im pretty sure its good idk

[flint widget]

eos is probably like the best torch imo

[polar prawn]

Makes great use of Night arcana

[sour cape]

Yea Zeus special and Apollo attack is what I went for

[compact magnet]

Gotcha. Thanks!

[sour cape]

and its ok but 😂

the dmg is pretty mid

[flint widget]

all u need to do is get any % attack and hera/hestia/zeus special and u are set

[sour cape]

good clear though

And just cast big ghost and spam special?

[flint widget]

yes

[keen warren]

whats mint condition

[silent crow]

nothing

[flint widget]

u could add omega specials but they aren't necessary

[junior trail]

o.atk > o.special > spam special til daybreaker expires, rinse and repeat

[keen warren]

were there any good boons before this update that were removed

[silent crow]

i never said anything about mint condition

[sour cape]

Its a cool idea for like summon weapon

[polar prawn]

Heph boon that became Security System

Instead of seconds of temp armor it was X seconds of invulnerability

[flint widget]

id say do o specials first then o attack to activate night for the daybreaker

[sour cape]

Ooh night crits sounds good

[silent crow]

haelian shcoked that support fire is bad for the 1000th time

[keen warren]

temp armor doesnt make sense because isnt that arachnes

support fire is goated wdym

[silent crow]

this is the funniest goddamn bit ever

[dire shell]

Is support fire bad? It’s so fun

[edgy nacelle]

I like my fun silly arrows
are they good? no.
are they okay with air quality? yeah ig, not crazy tho

[polar prawn]

Temp armor is stuff like Selene's "gain x armor as long as the effect lasts"

Arachne armor is more like armor you just buy from Charon

[silent crow]

bro its like 10 damage per goose honk it sucks

[polar prawn]

I think it's capped at 3 projectiles at once which is why people dunk on it

[junior trail]

oh yeah i completely forget about night good call

[dire shell]

Oh it has a cap? Hm

[keen warren]

can you increase the rate of arrows they dont always hit

[dire shell]

Cuz 12-20 extra damage per hit no questions asked seemed like it would be solid

[silent crow]

no

[dense moss]

despite being trash with the Flames I got to Chronos for the first time on my fresh file (night 10 I think?) with a Beyblade build that was basically

Step 1: Mash Special. Step 2: Win.

Chaos Flourish + Epic Aphro Special had my Orbs swirling around doing bursts of 700dmg

[dire shell]

I feel like the flames are the easiest weapon

Omega special. Hit buttons. Win.

[polar prawn]

I don't recall if it's 3 onscreen or just 3 created in a short period but either way it does way less than I hoped

[silent crow]

i remember when this wasn't true

[dire shell]

Darn. I hate when invisible rules matter so much

[polar prawn]

Everyone hates torches until they remember to use Omegas and then realizes that everything in the near vicinity has exploded

[silent crow]

it also has an internal cool down like 4 years and a sandwich long

[dire shell]

Ugh. Lame. It’s so fun

Arrows everywhere!

[silent crow]

and also most enemies die before the arrows even connect

[dense moss]

I'm trash with torches, idk why I just didn't get the hang of it in my 90 hours of EA

[keen warren]

what are some boss melters with fear on

[polar prawn]

pre-rework torches were pretty blegh tbf

[sour cape]

My worst weapon prob skulls lol

[silent crow]

medea is the classic

[silent crow]

Which rework.

[junior trail]

nah i miss the fine line/pike pipeline so bad

[dense moss]

I noticed that the special has a smaller radius now, maybe it wasn't just me haha

[silent crow]

that was the weirdest time

[polar prawn]

i'm thinking day 1 early access torches since that's the one that stood out to me the most

[dense moss]

really I'm bad with ranged weapons. I want to get in there and bash some heads

[silent crow]

torches is a psueod melee anyway

if you want something really simple that plays like a melee i like using cut above abnd holding down attack

[dense moss]

forgot to add, also had two Hammers that boosted Special: extra orb (3 instead of 2) and bonus Power

[sour cape]

I wish the jetpack specials didnt just veer off so much

before hitting, like why do they do that

[dense moss]

yeah they go all akimbo or whatever before locking on, it's a bit awkward

[sour cape]

Its like no where close before they start homing

[silent crow]

there's too much stuff going on to pay attention to things actually hitting your enemies anyway

[keen warren]

i am using medea rn its bad because i keep forgetting to load up my shells for specials

[silent crow]

just load them one at a time

Attack - Special - Repeat

[keen warren]

i forget

i use attack specials alot

[onyx ibex]

why do ppl say to only load one at a time/that loading many is bad

[silent crow]

inefficient

by specialing in between your attacks you cancel the downtime between them

and alternating atk/special lets you refresh the effects of both

[junior trail]

1. Zip zap fun, animation cancel
2. One shell is enough to trigger Blitz.
3. refreshing attack/special on-hit effects.
4. The hammer that reloads all shells at once (Wide Grin) adds a noticeable shell-gathering internal cooldown. Kinda funny to use, but definitely makes Medea feel worse to play
5. While enemies are doing their spawn animation, just use Ω Attack instead of reloading all shells at once, keep your flow going

[compact magnet]

Galaxy brain: Using Lovers' block to intentionally tank a Chronos P2 screen nuke

[vernal quiver]

Can't you iframe his screen nuke?? I havent tried but I feel like you should be able to

[silent crow]

yes you can

[rugged moon]

Even More Galaxy Brain: Just get good and cancel via damage the p2 screen nuke

[silent crow]

even more even more galaxy brain dodge it with evasion chance

[vernal quiver]

Oh sick

[silent crow]

timing is pretty awkward but its doable

[junior trail]

just dps skip smh

[onyx ibex]

I love satyr hearts and uncanny fortitude because they help me dps skip by helping me face tank

[flint widget]

pan with tk is so broken, got to chronos first try no dds lost on 58 fear

[lime moth]

How do people even play with aspect of supay torches

[rugged moon]

Getting good

[lime moth]

This is honestly the only weapon aspect that I have never been able to like

[compact ginkgo]

Is air quality good.. I can’t tell if it just falls off super hard late game

[rugged moon]

Its pretty terrible with a few exceptions

[viral yew]

It's really good in the right situation, but i nearly always take it

[rugged moon]

The spot its good in is amazing. Otherwise it does nlthing essentially

[dire shell]

What’s chronos’ second move that instakills you? I know the big red one, but I feel like I have no idea what the other is and I normally dodge it trivially anyway

[rugged moon]

Most abilities wont even begin to be effected by it

[dire shell]

(Extremely terrible visual design on whatever the heck that is)

[edgy nacelle]

uhhh the one where there's a safe ring, and the center + outside kill you?

[viral yew]

You take it when you have the zeus boons to work with it, you're not taking it in a vacuum, same with alot of infusions

[dire shell]

No idea which. Is that it?

[edgy nacelle]

that one is an instakill afaik 🤷

[rugged moon]

Even most zues boons wont be effected by it

[viral yew]

It's really obvious once you know what to look for

[dire shell]

It doesn’t look any different from other attacks. Needs to be way better telegraphed

Using the same instant kill red, ideally

[rugged moon]

The best thing to go with air quality is Demeter boons

[dire shell]

Yeah Air Quality + gusty cast is great

[edgy nacelle]

AQ is just the static shock (without king's ransom or other stuff that boosts it)/demeter gusts/meat grinder and prominence flare boon tbh 🤷 works great when it's affecting lots of things
also nice on splash/scorch builds, not for splash/scorch but to boost the fast weak basic attacks that trigger them

[viral yew]

Static shock, divine vengeance, storm ring, the rush, the lightning damage on mana use, gale, Demeter cast, other things i'm probably forgetting

[edgy nacelle]

also weak casts, yeah, like aphro and demeter

[viral yew]

Not really

[rugged moon]

Basicly all of those already hit for 50 after bonuses

Except gust

[dire shell]

Instant kills need to be obvious. That one 100% is not, and I’ve almost never died to it - but when I do I have no idea why or how

[viral yew]

With jpom maybe yeah, but overall it's a good infusion boon

[edgy nacelle]

if it's the one I'm thinking of it's fairly obvious to me and has a long windup

[viral yew]

It 100% is, you're ignoring them

[dire shell]

Long windup, but it’s not at all obvious how bad the attack is going to be

[viral yew]

😭

[rugged moon]

Not just jpom. But the fact that you start with 80% global damage from arcana

[dire shell]

Looks like any of his other attacks. Whereas his other instant kill looks like an instant kill

“Oh no! The gold and black shadow is going to get me!!” … no, that’s not how this fight works

[rugged moon]

Its a massive channel where 90% of the field turns black

[viral yew]

You don't start with origination automatically activated, you just get the 30% from casts

[dire shell]

Turns slightly darker than normal, which he does with multiple of his attacks

[edgy nacelle]

still, static shock at common is 10 damage
so are demeter and aphrodite cast
zeus cast and sprint get >50 pretty easily, but it affects plenty of things

[viral yew]

It goes black and gold what

[dire shell]

So do all his other attacks…

[rugged moon]

By the time you can get aor quality if you dont have origination active i have questions

[viral yew]

Not the entire floor

[viral yew]

Ok obv you'll have origination but it doesn't mean everything is over 50

Does air quality still boost leash? I think it does

[dire shell]

I mean, when you can see the entire floor, which is rare in this game, especially in that fight. Like I said it almost never gets me, but it’s extremely terrible visual design

He has many normal gold and black moves, and two moves that kill you: a GIANT FLAMING RED ONE and a gold and black one. It’s obviously terrible and I give up on talking about it haha

[viral yew]

I think you're just blind dawg

[edgy nacelle]

idk, he also stands in the middle of the arena for a long time, none of his scythe attacks do anything similar, they may leave black and gold trails but that's it.
if you think it's bad visual design that's fine, but I strongly disagree, once I learned what the attack looked like I recognized it every time 🤷
https://static0.polygonimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/hades-2-chronos-boss-3.jpg?q=49&fit=crop&w=825&dpr=2

[viral yew]

I was gonna post that :(

[edgy nacelle]

speedran it before you

[viral yew]

Ass

[rugged moon]

Also red doesnt imply instankill. None of the big red areas in other fights insta kill

One is just pointing to a clock dial. The other is becoming the clock is reason for visual difference

[viral yew]

If it was in vor then I understand cause i've killed myself a few times at that part with everything happening but in normal he just stands there

[silent crow]

im not sure how else you could communicate an instant kill

most players are coming into this fight with DD's anyway

[junior trail]

why ppl just not dps skip smh

[viral yew]

Ikr

[west beacon]

what happened to it?

[eager lion]

what's that

[nocturne inlet]

just started out in the game, just a few hours in, my best build right now is staff and Poseidon Zeus with range from the hammer, cleared the big guy 3 times now with mostly ease

do you guys have any other build ideas? mind that I don't have aspects unlocked yet

[viral yew]

You can ignore chronos instakills by doing enough damage to phase transition him

[viral yew]

Aphro ospecial spam

[nocturne inlet]

oh I tried something similar in one run, I'll try it out

right now I'm buffing basic attacks and kind of playing it like the spear/trident from the first game which was my favorite weapon lol, I guess that works

[brazen echo]

Zeus on attack, aphro on special, do dash strikes into special, rinse and repeat

[noble spindle]

metaslop

[viral yew]

Huh?

[eager lion]

Oh what? Nice

I was jumpscared by a bunch of his instant kills on rivals lmao

[west beacon]

Artemis blades parry also blocks the insta-kills and its usually up by the time he wants to do another

[eager lion]

Which moves are insta kills? The movement checks?

[junior trail]

Pre-Rework Behavior (Goofy but Strong)

• After your third hit in a combo, every attack became an Ω Attack, each consuming 5 Magick per hit
• This basically turned your basic attacks into rapid-fire Fine Line triggers
• And since Fine Line's Magick cost scaled up over time, it meant Righteous Pike would trigger at turbo speed
• It was hilarious, super strong, and burned through Magick like crazy. Born Gain was pretty much mandatory

Post-Rework Behavior (More Controlled, Needs Support)

• Now the attack sequence is clearly: Attack > Attack > Ω Attack, with the rest being regular again
• This severely lowers the uptime window for triggering Fine Line and Pike in quick succession
• It’s still workable, but you need to stack channeling speed or more +Magick effects (Exceptional/Weed Killer/Cut Above/Ocean etc) to keep the flow going

[west beacon]

ah i see, yeah i remember seeing that and never got to try it myself. Are there better weapons for fineline spam? maybe daggers because the special fires partial charge at low cost

[viral yew]

@eager lion these two

[junior trail]

staff o.special (with controlled burn and aetheric)
possessed array (but only triggers fine line, not pike)

[eager lion]

Oh thank god, just those.

I do wish a lot of the telegraphs in this game were more clear

[viral yew]

They're all really visible when you know what to look for

[west beacon]

every death is a lesson

[opal bay]

I theory crafted a really wonky, yet ez shiva build:

• Any attack coz u won't use them
• Zeus special coz u will spam it
• Aphro/Poseidon Ring + Lightning Lance (basically a safe distance spamming curse for bonus dmg)
• Any dash (maybe hera is the best but it won't matter much)
• Zeus gain

Grab any hammer that gives u special bonus then run around spamming O specials

[viral yew]

This directly goes against how you need to play shiva

[opal bay]

that's why it feels good lul

[viral yew]

🙄

[static badger]

wow no water fitness no hammer how the crap am I supposed to beat her

the boss doesn't do the same pattern as the video

[viral yew]

Which boss?

[static badger]

Scylla 2

[viral yew]

That boss doesn't really have a pattern

[static badger]

the screen is cluttered and I can't go anywhere

[viral yew]

It gets better with practice, dd's help

[static badger]

I'm using strength

[viral yew]

You're gonna struggle then, are you doing any other fear or just rivals

[static badger]

8 fear

for the nights champion

i feel like my character just doesn't move very fast

I can't seem to get anything I'm looking for from the gods

[viral yew]

Well u need to go up to 32f for nights champion so better get used to it

[static badger]

it's the second stage that kills ne

there's just no good strategy to getting through it for me

hecate, poly, Eris I haven't lost yet

[viral yew]

Yeah it's a bit of a bullet hell, very big learning curve, I can no hit rivals cerb but I nearly always lose a dd to sirens

[versed marlin]

Is it just impossible to pull in bosses with Anubis?

[static badger]

it'd be less of an issue if the little pellets didn't track you

[viral yew]

Yes

[violet temple]

i recently came back after not playing EA for a bit and i find out air fryer is dead 😔

[junior trail]

it was crazy when it worked with scorch also crit

[violet temple]

you will be missed 🙏

[static badger]

why is charybdis always the featured artist?

4 times in a row

4 times in a row no water fitness no hammer nothing good

I need hp

im cursed 💀

I took 90 damage all at once to something

[fathom mist]

guys im having a horrible time making this happen loll
basically im trying to get a hasty retreat heroic run to attempt to get like a hugee funny dodge chance
so my plan was to get hasty retreat and then the Hera boon that makes another boon heroic and higher level
but what always happens is either I get a Hera boon before the Hermes one which always becomes the one thats chosen to be turned to heroic by the later Hera boon,
or I get Hermes at the start and when i get Hera I can reroll like 4 times and not be offered her heroic boon thingy
does anyone know if its just hardcoded in the game or something like that

[static badger]

sometimes your build is just cursed

you could reroll 20 times and never get the boon you want

[fathom mist]

is it because Hasty retreat is an unpommable boon?

[edgy nacelle]

have you gotten the end credits yet?
no spoilers but you will have a much easier time doing that post-ending 👀
also if you want to go all in on dodge then apollo + aphrodite may do more than heroic hasty retreat alone

oh also steady growth from demeter is an option

[fathom mist]

yeah im like over a hundred hours in loll

[static badger]

steady growth is so good

[edgy nacelle]

||then why not use calling card?||

[static badger]

but she only offers after 2 or 3 rerolls

at least for me anyways

[fathom mist]

not having rerolls seemed a bit insane for a build that specific where i need like 3 specific gods or wtv

[edgy nacelle]

hera doesn't offer anything else for a dodge build 🤷 so taking her just for bridal glow seems like a waste. I'd go ||calling card|| + hestia, apollo, aphrodite, and as much air as possible for wispy wiles. and Gale ofc

[static badger]

lol I wish my character could dodge

[fathom mist]

will that be enough for a true 100% dodge chance?

like is that even possible

[edgy nacelle]

hm fair but also you can take a god keepsake region 2 if needed, if you've already gotten the value you want out of ||calling card||

• doing it on the surface means it's easy to reset if ephyra isn't what you want

[static badger]

probably like 40 percent is the most

[edgy nacelle]

also I'm not 100% sure, someone else prob knows, there may be* a cap (mistyped sorry)

[static badger]

not a cap but growing it is harder now

[fathom mist]

ill give it a chance ig true

[static badger]

I've been 5 times around and I can't get the boon I want lol

[fathom mist]

but yeah i always planned to get hestia for like the free 10% or wtv then aphro and apollo since apollo has alot of air boons for aphro's infusion

but I'm wondering just if Hasty retreat is even pommable maybe thats why I cant get the hera boon to apply to it

[viral yew]

I think so, haelian did it a lil while agao

[static badger]

2 HP left

so so so so close

why

[viral yew]

Whats next?

[static badger]

try again

try again

try again

[viral yew]

Are you good?

[static badger]

I'm fine

it's only a game

[viral yew]

😭

What are you tryna do?

[static badger]

just trying to beat this boss I've been stuck on for 2 days now

[viral yew]

Which one?

[static badger]

Scylla 2

[viral yew]

What build/aspect are you using?

[static badger]

I can't seem to go for a build for whatever reason, but I'm using the torches

[viral yew]

Take moros, zeus keepsake, use dd's, and go for zeus on the special

[static badger]

every time I hunt for specific boons I just end up wasting fate

lmao

I don't have a problem with strength I beat the rest of the game with it

[viral yew]

All you need is 2 boons and a mana regen on moros and you'll be fine, also dd's are much better if you're stuck on one boss

[static badger]

of course you get to one boss and you're pounding your head against a wall about it

[turbid parrot]

take mel staff get hera special and your build is running

[viral yew]

Mel staff is tricky to play with sirens, id say stick with torches

[turbid parrot]

hmm I find rival sirens to be one of the easiest with it tbh

[fathom mist]

well update did a run, some pieces of the puzzle were there some werent (ie aphro's infusion which is legit like one of the most important aspect of the run lmao)

but I think even with aphro's infusion it wouldve reached like only around 80% dodge chance how the hell do you reach 100% lmao

[viral yew]

Have you watched the haelian video?

[fathom mist]

oh did he do a run with 100% dodge?

[fathom mist]

oh i legit had the same idea lmaoo

did they make it so hasty retreat is unpommable with bridal glow since warsong update or was i just really unlucky loll

my fault didnt see the unseen update one

[viral yew]

I think he did

[static badger]

I hit point

I cant

1 hit point

why is that last stage

that last 1 hp

[zinc jungle]

Not sure how much that counts since it's Medea. ANYTHING is good on Medea. Medea with no boons is better than Ares on most other weapons.

okay time to continue my Fate's Whim run from earlier

[junior trail]

if you build around heinous then yes

[paper tapir]

i still don't know how to build around heph, i feel like its such a support boon. last time i used it, only used it for activating origination

[viral yew]

Put it on a weapon that has strong base damage, like moros torches, medea, morrigan, or on a special/attack you're not using often and you can get really good value from it, especially as his boons are the best to pom

[ebon reef]

Are there any boons similar to Support Fire, Static Shock and Poseidon waves? Trying to do a Supay run where I just sprint lol

[viral yew]

Pos sprint is probably the best for that

[ebon reef]

I'm trying to rely only on those on-hit effects so I'm gonna use Apollo sprint to not damage anything while sprinting haha

[viral yew]

It's also still one of the best sprints

[surreal hazel]

Hestia

[surreal hazel]

Pur volcanic moves on attacks you don't use often but are quick

[static badger]

finally

[surreal hazel]

Then pom the bajeezus out of it

[static badger]

took less damage than I was expecting

[paper tapir]

just to make sure cuz it has been awhile and im not sure of terms in hades, pom is the level up boon thing right? red-pink fruit ish

[steep galleon]

Pom short for pomegranate yes

[paper tapir]

got it ill try heph next time

[static badger]

omg echo gave me a 2nd Athena boon

i feel like a gambling addict

[ebon reef]

Thanks! I'll also go for the Hestia/Poseidon duo then

[fathom mist]

peak pfp

man i just cant luck out a 100% dodge run lmaoo

[static badger]

won that run

[opal bay]

Just go Heph attack + special, Poseidon cast, Apollo dash, Hestia magik gain
Then get heph + hestia duo > heph + poseidon duo > heph + apollo duo (priority in the same order)
Also pom the holymolyshiet out of your attack & special until u see the cooldown reach 2 sec (1 with heph poseidon duo)

For starting keepsake, go heph, find purple attack/special then rarify it. For next boon(s), try to find at least 2/3 other god u need (don’t take anyone else). The last one u can get by using his/her keepsake on zone 2.
10 rerolls arcana should help u a lot on building this cling clang combo

[static badger]

moon water Poseidon duo is good

[opal bay]

I actually mostly skip that godsent until i have nothing left to grab from the path of stars. It’s one of the least impactful godsent

[strong mesa]

???

It makes it heal way more

[static badger]

any self healing with strength is good I thought

[strong mesa]

40hp extra healing

[opal bay]

Why would u need that when u can get the +use before fountain & the +3 use per fountain & the heal all dmg taken in 2 sec prior?

[static badger]

dio trumps all healing tho

[opal bay]

I once trample chronos using 24 moon water stock up prefight, then i just press F everytime my hp got nuked then continue spamming dps

[wet grove]

is something required to unlock godsent hexes btw I've done like 80 runs and haven't gotten a single godsent yet

[opal bay]

That’s why i said over time healing from poseidon godsent is almost irrelevant

[static badger]

Jesus you were gonna use that whole health bar

[opal bay]

Pretty sure one of the incantations

[wet grove]

on my EA save I have them but not on the 1.0

okay so I'm just sool

[strong mesa]

I mean if u had 24 stacks saved up you were on such a broken run/low fear moon water didnt matter anyways