h2-builds-and-combat

[viral yew]

Yes

[stable herald]

Depends on what you have that deals less than 50 damage, a lot of DoT/chip damage effects can pass that threshold already with enough damage buffs

Best use case is Demeter's gales

[nova nimbus]

chronos, bc it lists you as killed as chronos

[hollow stag]

How useful is Icarus' Explosive Intent on Charon Axe?

[spiral wadi]

probably not very

[primal phoenix]

Do you guys play death defiance or strength ?

[viral yew]

Strength up to 45 fear

[spiral wadi]

i prefer strength, literally as long as vow of scars isn't 3 strength feels super good

[primal phoenix]

Yeah i do think strength feels better, but tackling the chaos trials where we're always at 3 DDs I was wondering

[spiral wadi]

i think some trials just have preset arcana, some dd some strength

[viral yew]

Even with 1 or 2 i still prefer it just cause rivals scylla exists

And cerb gets me half the time as well

[spiral wadi]

tru

[brave locust]

are fish just to sell?

[spiral wadi]

yup

[rare brook]

Time for tomorrow to go for fear 24 surface, 4 rivals 😄 Maybe I'll aim for zeus legenfary

[viral yew]

Do rivals 3, for your own sanity

[rare brook]

At least once for fates rewards

Also in the end I need to learn rivals 4 🤔

[viral yew]

Yeah fair enough

[rare brook]

I was able to learn Hades 1 with rival 4 and speed boost max, I can learn at least rival 4 with one frenzy... for now

[lean yoke]

good luck!

[waxen gorge]

whats a good build for any of the sister blade aspects? i need to defeat typhon with it for the fated list

[rare brook]

Hence going with Circe staff or Melone one

So far I noticed that hepa armor or apollo sprint (or any other blind) really helps with survivability. Same with snow queen or hermes boon for dash protection

[lime moth]

Chat, Moros or Eos torches?

[torn plinth]

Moros

They melt

[lean yoke]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1o2a3ch/i_am_so_sick_of_zeus/

[torn plinth]

Lol real

[lean yoke]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1o2bh8d/what_have_i_done/

[glossy rivet]

is freezer burn bricked if i freeze first then apply scorch? or does it turn scorch into an instant damage dealer?

[rare brook]

Shocking! ⚡

[lean yoke]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1o2ax1a/i_took_her_to_the_hot_springs_afterwards_to/

[shy moat]

bricked until the freeze curse wears off and you can reapply frozen

[lunar heart]

What is the best way to use the skull?

[shy moat]

...I used a different aspect >.>

[hollow stag]

What's the best possible build for 1st night run? Something that relies on Duo or Legendary boons?

[lean yoke]

i just got the hammer upgrade where the axe only has the slow chop

this is torture. i don't think i can get past ephyra

i just wanted to fulfill the minor prophecy ;-;

[elfin widget]

Just finished my second best run thanks to this. Thank you and @spiral wadi for the tips

[lean yoke]

...it does at least kill the boar very quickly

[austere trail]

it feels awful but it's definitely super strong

[lean yoke]

well, made it out alive by dropping the moon on polyphemus

eris is Fast though.... i'm doomed

[paper dawn]

I'm so angry, I made it to Chronos' second phase on a 32 Fear run, and died on the last part

[lean yoke]

whoa, heracles can show up on the boat!

AAAH just got the Queen from circe's random draw

Persephone is with me this run <3

[junior trail]

real

[frigid tartan]

Guys, this is not combat related, but this is the only spoiler free channel. I've been using stardust to craft the companion item to upgrade pets and also some nectar, did I screw up with the nectar? I find myself getting too little and too many people can receive it so I wanted to speed it up. I have around 8 chaos trials left, will there be another way of getting stardust later?

[viral yew]

You can get it from narcissus and from 12 fear rewards on the summit

[frigid tartan]

So I'm fine using it for nectar right now? 12 fear seems pretty doable, specially since that's basically rivals

[viral yew]

Yeah you can always get more, but i would recommend just buying nectar from the broker and getting a few per run

[junior dome]

do the lingering attacks on aspect of moros do anything while they float there? like are they hitting enemies multiple times who stand in the hurtbox and reapplying blitz or burn or whatever?

[viral yew]

Nah they just chillin

[frigid tartan]

It's just one per broker after each run and then I guess I could reroll some minor rewards into nectar to increase the amount. Still very slow 😭

[shy moat]

That's the hammer that's why I'll never use the Icarus keepsake with the axe

[rugged moon]

Stardust is 1500 bones one per run later. So… nectar is cheaper

[ionic stag]

Is heavy armor considered Olympian dmg?

[junior trail]

heavy armor only says weapon dmg so i guess not?

it provides flat dmg based on armor amount btw, so its good for stuff like blades

[spiral wadi]

i'm p sure it's just weapon dmg increase, not olympian

[frigid tartan]

Not a thing of price, but availability versus how much it's needed. So many people to give nectar to and not enough readily available

[rugged moon]

Have infinite runs 😛

[spiral wadi]

(additionally armor does not receive any dmg reduction effects, so charon wells that happen to give dmg reduction are useless with armor, neither will strength)

[ionic stag]

So does it benefit from weapon dmg multipliers? I’m guessing no?

It certainly doesn’t benefit from percentage attack boons etc

Not sure about backstabs

[junior dome]

omg i discovered the most powerful boon for ranged builds
options > accessibility > bright cursor

[junior trail]

think of heavy armor as a base power increase

like 20% of 100 armor is 20, so it provides +20 power to weapon dmg (which also will be multiplied by % dmg on top)

[ionic stag]

Wait so it’s considered power? Won’t that be too op? Like you will only need 150 armor to double torch dps?

[junior trail]

yeah its that op

[ionic stag]

Omg thx so much trying that rn

[signal coral]

heavy armor does not add power

it adds flat damage

which means the bonus does not scale with anything

[lean yoke]

fighting eris with that hammer chop, wish me luck

[signal coral]

if you have 100 armor you will do an extra 20 damage per attack, regardless of any damage modifiers (barring crits and ares double damage, which do multiply flat damage)

[ionic stag]

Does it scale with global multipliers like origination?

[signal coral]

no

its still quite strong if you have a LOT of armor and hit frequently

but its a lot worse than it sounds

[ionic stag]

Yeah that’s useless

[signal coral]

like heavy metal on hidden skull is quite strong because that aspect has giga attack speed

in general it only scales with how fast your weapon hits, nothing else

[ionic stag]

I thought at least it would benefit from global multipliers and hopefully extended family

Even worse than my expectation

[signal coral]

no, the damage from heavy metal is only amplified by global crit chance and by ares double damage boons

since those come later in the damage calculation

[ionic stag]

I see, thx for the info

[torn plinth]

Whats ur favourite weapon aspect to go all out with Hephaestus ?

[spiral wadi]

axe

it's objectively worse but it's objectively hilarious

[torn plinth]

Yeah I love heph special on the axe. theres always gonna be meta builds mostly looking for fun explosions rn haha

[junior trail]

mom skull is out of question, but personally im not vibing with blast on skull
i like blast on blades special cuz its fast enough for chain

or supay

[ionic stag]

Hmmm okay another question, is there any other multiplicative percentage other than romantic spark?

[edgy nacelle]

mom skull for a chance at +levels
supay because it's funny lol
it's nice on any blade special (carried my 40 fear mel blades run, fun on morrigan)
those are my main choices 🤷 but it's good on anything

also to answer your other question, crit from artemis of any kind + both of ares' double damage boons comes to mind...?

[torn plinth]

Oooo i might try it on morrigan that sounds fun!

[edgy nacelle]

it's nice on morrigan partly just because you have a reason to always remember to weave in your special. which like... you should do on all blades, but on morrigan it's harder to forget lol

• another source of big independent flat damage alongside blood triad is fun

[lean yoke]

how am i at prometheus with this axe handicap

argh misremembered his memory game

ah well. relieved

[fading sluice]

Does anyone know for the new fates whim keepsakes, am i supposed to equip hades > zag > chronos keepsake always in this order?

I haven't unlocked zag's but i am interested when i get it

apparently people said this playstyle is a high powered RNG gameplay compared to forcing build with gods

[lean yoke]

What moon hex goes with hera?

[shy moat]

I've just been having fun with hades and then Chronos if I need gold, but I'm not challenging super high fears

[junior trail]

night bloom

[lean yoke]

Thanks

wasn't offered today :(

[junior trail]

usually i go with pom > rolex/fig/gorgon/moon beam > endgame (antler, pin)
zag is good but not the pom/rolex level. if you aim for heroic boon, go for phial instead

[fading sluice]

ohh i see ok, so is pom good enough without having zag / chronos

what is rolex again

[junior trail]

time piece

[fading sluice]

ah ok

[sage flame]

||chrolex|| to be even more precise

[weak meteor]

Don't go Gorgon after Jeweled Pom. It disables the Pom.

I go Pom into Zag's Card or Phial, depending on how things are going. And then kinda feel it out depending on the run. Card is pretty nice. The Time Piece is /a lot/ of gold. Especially in the mourning fields.

[sage flame]

chrolex just completely breaking money constraints is so funny and has to make charon mad for two reasons, one being you're seemingly creating more of the gold he's trying to melt away and two, his keepsake is completely outclassed

[edgy nacelle]

it won't retroactively remove anything tho, so if you're playing DDs, run out of DDs, already have your important boons filled and are desperate it's imo fine to take late in a run!
just not while you can still significantly benefit from the ||whim keepsake effects||

[weak meteor]

Sure, but taking it second means you've got most of the run left, and you're missing out on a lot of benefit.

[junior trail]

oh also moon beam, if got hestia = total eclipse godsent

[edgy nacelle]

oh yeah not second, cause also tbh if you've lost your DDs and are desperate in region 2 the run is kinda..... not going well.
if you already have every important boon by region 1 then sure I guess tho, sometimes ephyra b like that

[viral flint]

is there a resource for OP/fun builds to try? a list or a youtube channel or something?

[edgy nacelle]

I don't have a list but I recommend Boated on youtube
he does a mix of high fear runs, fun runs, and occasional speedrun attempts, watching him made me way better at the game. going thru his backlog and looking for fun runs can give you ideas for fun op feeling combos

• you can just ask here if there's a god or effect you want to build around! there are a lot of options

[viral flint]

i watch haelian sometimes for ideas, i will check out boated. rn i kind of want a good build with thanatos thats all about spamming omega attack, but in general i just want wacky stuff to try. like the medea w/zeus and double curse was something i didnt know about at all (i never liked revaal) and it was a lot of fun

[weak meteor]

Well, even if you're a Strength runner. Since it'll always work then, but taking it on Zone 2 is sketch.

[viral flint]

im at endgame content and bored, so just looking for interesting recipes

[edgy nacelle]

if you want to spam omega attack on Than axe then I'd recommend Apollo's legendary + psychic whirlwind, probably? and any other hammers/boons related to Ω attack

I've watched some haelian but the content didn't quite click w me as much tbh, I should try again

[viral flint]

i ran aspect of charon and i got the double omega special hammer + apollos legendary, it was honestly bananas. 4x special, completely melted everything

[weak meteor]

Aspect of Charon is so fun.

[peak urchin]

best build for aspect of pan?

[viral yew]

Pos special, go for legendary and arterial spray or the hestia duo

[edgy egret]

what are the core boons/gods for aspect of anubis?

[viral yew]

Pos and hestia

Although malkin is better at the weapon than me

[edgy nacelle]

yeah pos and hestia are best
anubis is flexible and other stuff works, but start with those two for sure. zeus is also fairly popular with arc flash afaik

[edgy egret]

what are specific boons i should look out for

attack for pos?

[edgy nacelle]

attack for both! either one works

[viral yew]

Attack, and then go for the legendary, if you find ares go for the duo

[edgy nacelle]

just build towards the usual things you would for whichever one you choose
i.e. poseidon => slipperly slope, his legendary, his duo with ares
hestia => freezer burn, pyro technique, burning desire etc

[edgy egret]

thanks guys

[edgy nacelle]

honestly start with splash or scorch and it's hard to go wrong! have fun

[viral yew]

Might try anubis 45f

[rigid steppe]

What’s a fun pan build without Poseidon for special. I feel like I run it every time

[vivid stump]

Hestia is prolly the next best option but you could also run aphrodite for high damage

really as long as you’re not going for heph or ares on the special you’re prolly fine since both have anti synergy

[clever drum]

How was supay when it released? I read it got nerfed every Unseen balance patch, so I'm curious how it was originally

[sick yoke]

what boons affect morgan's blood curse thing?

[spiral wadi]

blood triad is aspect specific and isn't affected by anything else

[sick yoke]

damn

[spiral wadi]

so it's straight 777 dmg, u can only change it with hammers

[sick yoke]

thats a serious bummer

[junior trail]

Phantom Etchings, Banshee Brand, and Premium Service (heph legendary)

[spiral wadi]

one hammer has 33% chance to triad twice, another raises it to 999 dmg

and yea premium service too

[sick yoke]

i see

hope they add some other stuff aswell because that is horrible scaling

cus i really like the concept

[spiral wadi]

i mean 777 regularly is still an insane amount of damage lmaoo

[sick yoke]

but during the later stages i feel like it loses so much value

[sick yoke]

it is amazing when you begin but when you're in the second half it becomes a lot less impressive

[spiral wadi]

hm, idk i've played high fear morrigan a lot and i feel like the triads r perfectly fine, u just need some backup dps like scorch

alternatively dump everything onto attack with final slice hammer

i had a run where the "final" attack combo would regularly do 1k damage

[edgy nacelle]

I guess? idk, blood triad is usually near the top of my end of run damage board
two hammer upgrades make it deal more damage, and it can keep up with other damage sources pretty well, it just gives you an insanely strong start 🤷 but I don't rly notice it falling off, the rest of the build just kinda rises to meet it if anything

[junior trail]

better base damage
better non-omega attack fire rate
omega attack fired a machine gun of attack (which also count as omega move), instead of the current arc-shaped fire
better aspect's rush boon bonus dmg and unnerfed heat rush dmg (beach ball also affected)

basically you could just run around and win, vampire survivor style

[obtuse crow]

Hi all,
Does someone knows where I can find a list for the effect of weapons affected by Hephaistus Legendary Boon "Premium Service" ?

[broken lichen]

Hey guys, what's the consensus on which of the new keepsakes' the best to start a run with between ||Jeweled Pom|| and ||Calling Card||?

[broken lichen]

I don't think that exists

[flint widget]

jeweled pom for those sweet sweet pom lvls

getting those poms are massive for early game

[tall notch]

First one

[raven ivy]

Calling Card is kinda disappointingly so close to being good :/

Like if it let you rarify things retroactively, suddenly it stands beside Jeweled Pom rather than being completely drowned out

[obtuse crow]

I found on reddit 3 articles for 3 weapons but not the 3 lasts

[deft whale]

what would you guys recommend as the best aspect of circe cast?

[stray notch]

I need to do the third challenge of the night, what build do you suggest for fear 32?
Medea skull?

[raven ivy]

I tend to try to stack omega cast stuff, picking gods that have those kinds of boons, so for me it ends up being between Apollo and Poseidon, or Ares, with last resort Demeter (her cast doesn't benefit from Winner's Circle)

[raven ivy]

Medea skull is quite strong!

[raven ivy]

Though I can imagine any of the base casts potentially working out, it's a strong aspect

[edgy nacelle]

zeus if you want to just use a normal cast (then avoid winner's circle and aim for stuff like double strike or king's ransom), poseidon or apollo if you want to try to get winner's circle and use Ω casts (ideally with geyser spout and other Ω cast effects)
but it's pretty versatile! most casts are solid on it, even the lower damage ones can do surprisingly well. but those three are my recs

[onyx wraith]

Build for Aspect of Nergal? I suppose just Aphrodite stuff would work?

[lean yoke]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1o2u5we/boyos_here_is_my_unhinged_way_of_not_getting_hit/

LOL OH NO https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1o2u5we/boyos_here_is_my_unhinged_way_of_not_getting_hit/niqnw4h/

[onyx wraith]

Anyone?

[edgy nacelle]

ngl I don't use it very often!
Aphrodite should be fine, and I know a lot of people run Apollo as well. Hera should work too, any good % boon.
the best (imo) build for Nergal is based on a specific daedalus hammer, which sadly means you can't rly reroll for it, but if you get psychic whirlwind it goes absolutely crazy
(if you do that then apollo legendary is an option)

[meager wadi]

what aspects kind of need upgrades to be good or its more important to invest vs others

[nova raven]

i wonder if this person has ever heard of a neat trick where you just remember his patterns

[lean yoke]

i can remember for the three-fire one, 5-fire i could remember if the patterns loaded at a different speed

sometimes i do if they're closer together but if they're all over the map i'm like aaaagh

[nova raven]

i just call them out loud

[lean yoke]

that's what i do

[nova raven]

like top middle bottom etc

[lean yoke]

||prometheus may do the same to throw you off||

[nova raven]

i never listen to his yap

i register that he says something but i don't listen to it

what i actually want to know, is how to beat the rival sirens fight on max vow of frenzy

i swear it's the hardest fight in the game save for maybe the final rivals fight

[edgy nacelle]

it does get easier over time tbh, I feel like for the pattern of 5 certain combos are way more common. it may not be full rng.
like, 3 2 1 2 3 and 1 2 3 2 1 are way more common than they should be lol
(for safe zones)

[blissful niche]

so how exactly do attack boons affect the Aspect of Medea?
if I pick Hestia, does the enemy I hit with my attack into special combo also burn?

[nova raven]

yes

[weak meteor]

Or with your Omega Attack.

Which is exactly the same as before.

[blissful niche]

aye got you, thanks

[nova raven]

imo you shouldn't be using omega attacks on medea at all

[weak meteor]

Eh, sometimes you need the range.

[blissful niche]

ye, I just cant NOT use the simple attack -> special finger swipe

[weak meteor]

It's fair to take advantage of range options at times.

[blissful niche]

no matter how numb my thumnb gets

[nova raven]

i beat 43 heat with it recently and never once felt that i needed to use an omega attack

that's the real strength of medea, you don't need to ever worry about your magick

[weak meteor]

That's valid, but I think there are times when it's better. Big crowds of those swirling jerks in Erebus or some such.

[nova raven]

just swoosh back and forth with your regular attack + sp combo and everything in erebus explodes

[edgy nacelle]

personally I only rly use the omega attack to proc Huntress between waves 🤷
I'm not great with Medea, but it's so fast and deals so much damage that it's prob still faster to attack normally in AoE instead of using omegas but losing the % bonus from the aspect

[nova raven]

medea is the strongest aspect in the game and the only other aspect that comes anywhere close is the mel staff

[weak meteor]

I'm a Charon Axe fan.

It's just so so good.

[blissful niche]

at my first medea run I thought "damn, isnt it annoying at bosses cause you move all the time?"
yeah... no lol

[nova raven]

charon axe is really good, too

i'd say it's in the top 5

Medea also just runs over everything on the surface

underworld is a bit harder imo

[weak meteor]

Underworld has a few more floor hazard type stuff, and Cerberus is kind of annoying for Medea in particular. Chronos 4 as well.

Not like, unbeatably. Just an extra bit of annoyance.

[nova raven]

chronos is the most annoying one because you can't just bash yourself against him like most other bosses

[tawny glen]

How come i ran out of mana with Epic 5 lvl Flood Gain?

[weak meteor]

Didn't spam hard enough.

[nova raven]

I still don't understand how flood gain works and i never pick it

[weak meteor]

I never take it because it's very bad.

[nova raven]

it feels like you just run out of mana anyway

[weak meteor]

You have to use mana in a very particular way and it's just... Nyeh. If I'm taking a boon for magick gain, I want it to guarantee that I can get more magick on demand.

It's the same reason I hate Born Gain. No thank you.

[edgy nacelle]

flood gain has downtime
when flood gain is active, you get X seconds of basically infinite magick (based on boon lv + rarity)
when those seconds are up, flood gain goes on cooldown and you have no magick regen
even if you're out of magick, so long as flood gain is available it'll let you use Ω moves and regenerate magick you didn't have to begin with, similar to born gain

[nova raven]

you need to be actively paying attention whether the cooldown is up or not

which sucks tbh

[edgy nacelle]

wild take to me, I love born gain and have only primed out once that I remember

[weak meteor]

The problem is, if you use too much magick spamming while flood gain is down, and run out, you can't trigger it again.

[nova raven]

most other magick gain abilities work without having to do something like that

[tawny glen]

But then it's once 8 seconods with 8.5 seconds effect length 🤔

[nova raven]

born gain might be the best of the bunch

[edgy nacelle]

the cooldown starts after your infinite magick window ends

[nova raven]

works automatically and gives you infinite magick for the encounter

[raven ivy]

You can actually

[tawny glen]

ah, i see

[weak meteor]

It's just that it requires a good pool to sustain you, and the rest of them let me function with minimal pools usually, which I prefer.

[raven ivy]

If you're empty you can fake an omega and it'll trigger flood gain

[tawny glen]

So basically once in 8 seconds i have 8.5 seconds of infinite mana

[weak meteor]

Oh, really? That's not too bad then.

[tawny glen]

and then 8 seconbds without any mana

[edgy nacelle]

also yeah you can trigger it again, the only downside is 8s of downtime
while flood gain is up you can use infinite omegas even if you have zero magick to start with

[nova raven]

not without any mana, ideally you will have some left over

[tawny glen]

then it's not as bad as i thought

[weak meteor]

That could be the best boon for a build that has primed everything then. I had no idea it could fake proc.

[raven ivy]

It's a very strange boon lol

[surreal hazel]

Seismic Servo does affect flood gain btw

[raven ivy]

That's hilarious

[weak meteor]

I am now raising it a bit in my estimation.

[lean yoke]

OH NO......I misread the 'win with each arcana card' prophecy....

it;s UNDERWORLD ONLY

i killed typhon for nothing!

;-;

[surreal hazel]

You cannot fake proc if you're trying to spend more mana than your max cap

[nova raven]

not for nothing, typhon honestly deserved it

[weak meteor]

Including primed magick? Darn.

[surreal hazel]

yeah, it's using the same "Free cast" function as Born Gain

[weak meteor]

That's still better than I gave it credit.

[surreal hazel]

Flood gain is VERY good

it's better than Born Gain if you've not got a lot of mana cap

[weak meteor]

No yeah, I completely undervalued it all this time.

[tawny glen]

I think now i would even prefer it over Hestia boon for my flames omega attack runs

[edgy nacelle]

also yeah I feel that ig
tbh I mainly love born gain when I'm spending magick crazy fast, and it feels like nothing else can really keep up
like ripple effect + a ton of channel speed on moros outpaces most gains pretty fast, other than tranquil/ionic I guess but then you have to interrupt combat. and if I take ionic/tranquil I still want max magick so I can channel longer, at which point born gain is great

[raven ivy]

I can never get seismic servo to show up but it'd be cool for this application

[surreal hazel]

Flood Gain Ripple effect funsies

[edgy nacelle]

• poms and rarity make it very hard to prime out lol, it's possible but the main time I did was with hubris, fine lines, ocean swell, and enough channel speed for constant omegas in oceanus, which is uh. rare

[weak meteor]

That's totally valid. I haven't used it too too much because I worry about priming out against bosses.

I take regen boons so that never happens.

Lucid Gain is, of course, hilarious for Charon. Infinite magick.

[edgy nacelle]

lucid gain also got a lot better in general in 1.0 which I love, amazing change, worth lowering how much magick it restores

[tawny glen]

Also for any cast based build its the best

[weak meteor]

What changed about it?

[edgy nacelle]

:)
you no longer need to stand in the circle for it to work

[weak meteor]

Oh wow. Yeah that's loads better.

[edgy nacelle]

so 1. it works with anything and you have full freedom of movement, and 2. charon can play ranged casts with no drawback

[weak meteor]

Much less annoying.

Honestly, now that I've learned that Flood Gain isn't bad, I think all the regen boons have their place.

[edgy nacelle]

they nerfed how much magick it restores by a decent amount, but it's still enough to fuel charon, and now it's just... a crazy versatile gain boon for most builds.
my other favorite 1.0 change is to Nexus Rush also, which was making it affect a pretty big AoE like Blinding Rush!

[weak meteor]

Ares probably requires the most commitment, but it's still solid enough.

[edgy nacelle]

mm I should play charon more, I only have once since 1.0 and I haven't used a range cast set up yet...

[weak meteor]

I had a hilarious build earlier.

With double and eventually quad casting Specials thanks to Apollo.

And with Lightning Lance from Zeus you can just mash the cast button over and over and proc it a bunch of times.

With one special.

[raven ivy]

Ooooo now that's an idea

[weak meteor]

It takes some hammer and boon luck for it to happen, but it's wildly strong.

[edgy nacelle]

ooooh yes I think I only tried that once, ages ago? w exceptional talent or the double Ω specials hammer

charon in general is just rly fun tbh

[weak meteor]

I had both, because of luck.

[edgy nacelle]

I can never decide whether it or Than is my fav axe... I think I have more fun with a good Charon run, but Than is just so versatile, idk

[raven ivy]

I've been meaning to try Eos soon, any tips going in like generally good cores?

[weak meteor]

It was basically the perfect run. Epic Apollo Cast to start, Lucid Gain. Double Specials, late Apollo Legendary. Even Poseidon's cast buff and Prominence Flare.

[weak meteor]

I think Eos with Demeter Attack feels best, since it kind of makes things stick around the ORB.

And Demeter has an Omega attack buffing boon as well, so it really just synergizes with ORB life.

[ionic lily]

I think the only gain I don't really pick is demeter's haha

[edgy nacelle]

ooh! I like Eos a lot lol, it's weird but I enjoy it.
it benefits a lot from Night, if you want to lean into that, but that's optional
I like on-hit effects on special so you can spam them, so scorch/splash is good, blitz too
blitz and wounds on the daybreaker can be fun to set up more damage, and apollo is fun for big AoE
also my first rivals chronos clear was with uhhh... 1 sec let me remember it

aphro attack + special, artemis "specials can crit but you prime" boon, faster specials hammer, and island getaway so your daybreaker and its specials do crazy damage even if you're across the map. not the strongest, very fun

oh also Hera daybreaker can be nice too, since it hits in a large area and can benefit from the % 🤷 it's a versatile weapon, idk, I run lots of things on it

[weak meteor]

Eos is pretty flexible. Good on a lot of things.

[raven ivy]

Oh yeah that does sound fun

[edgy nacelle]

also Eos + a bunch of pink heart projectiles is pretty lol
love that they made the base specials pink in 1.0

[weak meteor]

Ares is also a lot of fun with it. Blades for days, and if you can get the Zeus Duo boon it'll proc that on cooldown.

[raven ivy]

I think I'll take the advice of % on attack on-hit on special to heart and try it out soon! I've got nightmare stockpiled I might as well try branching out a bit lol

[weak meteor]

Honestly, even Hepaestus could probably fun with it.

[edgy nacelle]

last tip is that if you night cycle, you may want to go Ω spec => Ω atk => Ω spec again at the start of a room (then spam normal special), so all your moves benefit from the crit.
from the second rotation onwards you don't need the extra Ω special, but if you have the magick to spare and aren't too worried abt timer it's nice to start out boosted

[raven ivy]

Heph feels really fun in 1.0 I'm not sure if there's a single reason why xD

[weak meteor]

Big clonks

Nothing gives dopamine like big clonks. Charon Axe is built around this premise.

[edgy nacelle]

I mean. idk if you're post-ending yet but I can think of one big 1.0 thing that buffed Heph lol

[raven ivy]

Especially with the new keepsakes he's generally a bit easier to build around too yeah exactly

[edgy nacelle]

yesss exactly
also starting out with ||jewelled pom + mom skull and getting offered a lv9 heph clang right out the gate is.... very silly and absurdly fun||

[raven ivy]

Just wish mom skull levelling was a bit more generous considering bejewelled pom is crazy efficient

I'm pretty sure you have to win 9 coin flips in a row to get a nat lvl9 so the chances get low quick

[edgy nacelle]

yeahhh, it's sad how often it just gives you +0

[raven ivy]

Half the time you'll get nothing

[lean yoke]

healing hexes helped me a lot against typhon, especially the ares boon that makes you heal at 40 hp

[ionic lily]

Charon with 4x omega special and lighting lance means targeted nuke volleys on demand

[lean yoke]

as long as i could hit him, and he was a big target, i couldnt die

i was using the knives which helped too

[edgy nacelle]

yeah! stuff with passive damage can also be really nice when learning that fight, like Eos or cast builds in general. drop your damage thing on him, walk away and focus on dodging, rinse and repeat

also learning that twilight curse oneshots his eggs was neat

[lean yoke]

i used scorch cast, that was fun

and i had the demeter freezing burn duo boon

[onyx wraith]

Supay build tips?

I'm guessing can't go wrong with Zeus on special.

[edgy nacelle]

zeus, poseidon, and hestia are all nice in general
supay likes sprints that deal damage, and all those gods are good for that + have nice boons to throw on its special or attack. some other sprints can be nice too but have less potential ig

romantic spark is neat if you can get it going since you want to be sprinting all the time anyway
and personally I really like hidden helix for hammers

[onyx wraith]

If you had to pick one?

I suppose I could go Zeus and pick up Blitz on the way

[raven ivy]

I like hera sprint on supay quite a bit

[onyx wraith]

Night cycling probably works well, right?

[raven ivy]

High rarity especially I think it'd go crazy

[raven ivy]

Totally

[edgy nacelle]

hmmmm. I like zeus sprint the most probably
zeus sprint + specials with hestia attack or cast to aim for their duo boon is probably my ideal combo.
hera, demeter, and ares sprints can also feel good, they just have downsides imo

but oneshotting small enemies with hera is fun af lol, it stops doing as much dps against bosses but your specials and attacks can handle that

[unreal shore]

omg i cant get used to the hammer

[raven ivy]

Which axe aspect are you referring to lol

[edgy nacelle]

do you mean nergal?

[unreal shore]

every aspect

im just struggling with it in general

[raven ivy]

Than Aspect is a good one to learn the general flow

Faster attacks help a lot

Though Melinoe aspect and focusing on dash strikes is also a good way to get into the swing of things

More health helps survivability

[unreal shore]

yeah ive been trying than out and i can barely make my way thru with it

i died so many times with charon

[raven ivy]

Hmm is it the omega special charge up time?

[tawny glen]

After i learned you can dash when charging special it became way easier

But i also have a controller with extra buttons otherwise no way i could click dash when charging the special with the axe

[unreal shore]

the chargeup definitely is the problem

[raven ivy]

It's not too too tough

[weak meteor]

It's pretty easy on mouse and keyboard too.

[raven ivy]

Definitely not super super easy though

[unreal shore]

i play on switch so not that easy to pull that off

[weak meteor]

Different control scheme woes.

[raven ivy]

Switch 2 pro controller does give you those back buttons you can map to dash but I assume you mean switch 1

[weak meteor]

I've been doing Supergiant games on Mouse and Keyboard since forever, so that's what I'm cozy with.

[unreal shore]

nah switch 2 handheld

[edgy nacelle]

hmm, you could try turning on eternity for a bit? and ofc sorceress but I assume you're already using that.
channel speed + the right hammers also happen a lot, and ranged casts can be nice if you want to charge up at a safe distance

[raven ivy]

Hmm yeah I see

[edgy nacelle]

also like. demeter cast isn't amazing on Charon but it is very safe, and if you stack it with geyser spout and a good special that's still a ton of damage

[unreal shore]

yeah i have been looking for the charge speed ups but i still struggle on fast paced bosses like eris and prom

axe requires me to use my brain and i dont like it😔

[raven ivy]

Difficult to give specific advice besides looking for openings, when I started playing axe I used to try to force in rather than making sure I had an opening first

But it could just be the windups, which are harder to account for and more of a simple practice curve

[unreal shore]

maybe i just didnt die enough yet

[edgy nacelle]

yeah... I think Than may feel the best for now too, since the others are all kinda... deliberate/slow in their own way. if you avoid getting locked into the rly slow final attack + maybe throw on Apollo for a big forgiving AoE you can prob get used to it

[unreal shore]

i should bash myself into enemies with the hammer and learn

axe*

[unreal shore]

ironically, the only clear i have with the axe is than axe with the hammer that makes ur attack sequence only the 3rd attack😭 on surface too

[raven ivy]

I think Demeter is a great tool to learn the flow, axe kinda has complexity because you can dash strike into special, normal attack into special, or go for the full combo if you have a big enough opening, which I'm pretty sure you can sneak a special into without breaking (it's hard working off of nemory )

[edgy nacelle]

OH see that hammer is fun on Than lol
just if you're not doing that then the wind-up for that attack is rough

that hammer + "your final strike hits twice but costs magick" + a good % boon on Than axe is like... silly, very high damage. but if you're trying to do a normal attack string I geeeenerally avoid the final hit

[unreal shore]

the critical bonk build did get me thru but i never wanna do that again soon

i suffered

anyway thanks for the advices i'll go die some more with charon

[olive tusk]

one thing was fun about early access and that all the different absolutely gamebreaking overpowered builds that existed there

that whole phase I will miss

[lean yoke]

i just got an epic hestia/ares thing with scorch and ares' cast blade and hestia's moon hex

i've never beaten scylla or cerberus that fast before

mainly cause they don't move around a lot.

[olive tusk]

give giga cleaver-apollo legendary aspect of nergal/charon a try

you should be beating them in record time

[lean yoke]

just killed chronos by dropping a flaming moon on him

[primal phoenix]

Damn Rivals frenzy 2 typhon is haaard

Beat him only once so far

[oblique hazel]

sister blades + blitz special + arc flash is really just an entire build in 2 boons its kind of insane, you just barely charge the omega special and get a boosted blitz pop for like half a second of charge time from across the room

[oblique hazel]

im trying to learn frenzy 1 right now and it makes both typhon and chronos so much harder its crazy

[primal phoenix]

Arc flash is just that good, works on alot of builds tbh

[olive tusk]

yeah arc flash is insane

beat f2 rivals typhon with aspect of morrigan using zeus arc flash on my attack

[primal phoenix]

I started the vows with frenzy, so now i'm pretty used to it but their rivals version are NO JOKE

[olive tusk]

f2 is fun but it also completely neutralizes some weapons for me, im just completely unable to use them

like aspect of charon

[primal phoenix]

Only beat typhone f2 rivals with suppah so far so I could focus on dodging. Yesterday was stomped on persephone :'( (had a woping lvl 16 special..)

[olive tusk]

the only weapon with which i can reliably beat f2 rivals typhon is aspect of anubis

[primal phoenix]

Yeah I found myself unable to use some weapons as well. I think i'll go back to F1 bcz some rivals just dont let me play and it becomes frustrating

[olive tusk]

scorch + circe smaller stature + hot pot + hermes dodge

[primal phoenix]

At least i've managed to do it once to each boss so i'm already quite glad with myself

Scorch is a contender for best effect imo

[olive tusk]

definitely up there, but tough competition, poseidon's froth is fantastic

[oblique hazel]

i was kinda shocked when scorch went unnerfed for 1.0

ive never had much success with froth tbh

[olive tusk]

you need a lot of speed to make froth and scorch work

scorch atleast has the god selene boon, froth has nothing like that

[oblique hazel]

i did a full gust build with tidal ring for froth and i think froth only did like 16-20k damage

[olive tusk]

froth did the most damage in my dash strike aspect of melinoe xinth build with ares arterial spray

[oblique hazel]

damn interesting

[olive tusk]

also i must say blood spree dash strike xinth is pretty busted, I was straight up unkillable

tanked almost the entire rivals chronos phase 3

[steep galleon]

Finally did a Heinous Affront Persephone build

[steep galleon]

best I could scrap together for a reroll-less setup, tried to fit in Queen somehow but I can't find a way https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1383166531730673777/1426186948258697368/Screenshot_1634.png?ex=68ea4f99&is=68e8fe19&hm=00c69d46e8a02a8dad11190addf38d2ee2d5d2f26bc00f0d366936d823c1a904&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1230&height=693

excellence and boatman interchangeable, so are huntress and night

[viral yew]

You basically have to run dds and strength

For queen

[steep galleon]

yep, which is a waste of grasp

[viral yew]

Indeed

[tall notch]

Someone tried cooking a setup where you'd start with your dds, burn through them and pivot into strength but it's not that good imo

[glass bone]

It’s not necessarily a waste of grasp, because there may still be moments where you are out of DDs.

[uneven palm]

Feels like going for duos on fates whim is just a fools errand anyway because uhh you can’t roll

[glass bone]

But compared to other options… it’s not super great.

[tall notch]

Depending on the weapon turning off a 2 cost + 1 cost to take eternity can be really good

[viral yew]

I never go for queen period

[turbid parrot]

i couldnt find a setup that allows me to take str and queen with|| fates whim||

[cerulean panther]

I equipped both Strength and Death for that.

[tall notch]

Whenever i tried, it's the 3 costs that got me. I'm not playing without lovers, I'm not playing without artificer and if I drop location rerolls I might as well just go fates' whim

[cerulean panther]

You could do Artificer and just have 1 Grasp hanging out.

[turbid parrot]

doesnt seem worth at all

[cerulean panther]

After I died on that run because oops Hades is actually balanced around rerolls more than a little I gave up on them. The new Keepsakes are neat, but I don't think I care for them. Better players than me can chase Fear.

[viral yew]

You have to sacrifice too much for it

[turbid parrot]

new keepsakes are great fun ngl

[steep galleon]

Yeah tbh I've been considering experimenting with eternity on torches in particular cause that omega special has caused me to stumble more than once

[fading sluice]

Any tips for Medea skull usage? I heard its the best aspect in the game but I am struggling to use the weapon fluidly. Often times I use special attack but some skulls didn't get returned to me resulting in a very awkward combat loop.

And question for fate whims build - currently do not have Zag keepsake yet, is it fine to just Pom + chrono's keepsake?

[tall notch]

I tried both with and without on Moros, slowdown on omega special feels so much better

[steep galleon]

I don't either but I tried to see if I could incorporate it on this setup

[glass bone]

It’s the opposite. Attack -> Special

And to answer your other question, Pom >= Piece >> Card

[fading sluice]

oh sorry i mean i do attack > special > attack but some bones doesn't return to me, maybe half return at times

[steep galleon]

Yeah I can imagine, without channel upgrades it feels like it takes way too much precious time (frenzy 2)

[uneven palm]

Keep specialing through. You should be close range so the skulls should return right to you

[fading sluice]

oh okay so should i special mutiple times instead of immediately trying to attack after 1 special

[fading sluice]

ok , i just wonder now necessary is it to have all 3 to do a fates whim build or is the first two good enough until i get the card

[uneven palm]

Nope, the loop is tap attack tap special repeat

[glass bone]

Pom imo is the best of the three, and you should be starting with it every time you don’t have rerolls Region 1.

[uneven palm]

The range for Hoovering the skulls is pretty forgiving, they should be returning to you basically always

[glass bone]

Time Piece and Card are both good for Oceanus / Thessaly, but I think the consensus is that Time Piece is a lot better.

[fading sluice]

I mean like i heard i should be using all of the 3 fate whims keepsake considering i can use them for 3 regions, or did i misunderstood whats being said

[viral yew]

Do we know the exact range or is it just big

[fading sluice]

because rn i dun have card, so i only can run pom and then time piece, not sure if thats good enuff

[fading sluice]

hmm ok im messing up big time, cuz all the skulls dont return to me haha

[viral yew]

The important one is pom

[uneven palm]

I haven’t measured. It’s big tho. Like far bigger than cast

[steep galleon]

Btw can you keep rarifying if you unequip card? (If you haven't used them all up)

[glass bone]

It really depends on circumstances. Card’s main benefit is rarifying very specific T2 or NPC boons, such as Nitro Boost, Pyro Technique, Athena DDs, etc.

[fading sluice]

do you guys prefer this fate whim (high powered rng style gameplay) or normal build gameplay (forceable)

[glass bone]

Time Piece’s benefits meanwhile gives you a lot more boons.

[spare breach]

How do you build thanatos now? Is apolo the way?

[glass bone]

I started taking Fates Whim, and didn’t look back.

[steep galleon]

Honestly I feel like card is the one that struggles the most to find a place in a run

[fading sluice]

whats ur usual keepsake setup and do u change in the late game depending on the run

[flint widget]

fates whim got me my 58 fear all regions wins so its the goat

[glass bone]

Even for weapons such as Charon (which really really wants Lucid Gain), I have just taken Pom and reset if I needed.

[fading sluice]

i see, this sounds fun. cant wait to try more

[uneven palm]

Time Piece is way better than the card. Rarity boosts on level 4 boons is whatever.

[turbid parrot]

yes going for roughly the same build every time is really boring compared to being forced to change things up

[glass bone]

To be clear, this is really high fear (50-62), so your best keepsakes may differ from mine. But as for me…
Pom -> Fig Leaf / Time Piece / Ghost Onion (if I am at low HP) -> Experimental Hammer (if I need hammers, such as on Mel Staff, or any of the Sister Blades) / Gorgon Amulet / Pin / Knuckle Bones (if I am fighting Rival Prom) -> Pin / Gorgon Amulet (only if I am out of DDs)

[fading sluice]

yeah i agree, honestly i played other roguelikes before and i came into H2/H1 understanding that build is easy to force here and might have lower variety but i think thanks to this fates whim gameplay,its actually more fun! though i might still play normal build gameplay for a bit more.. im still a noob in this game at like 60 runs in, only beat 16 fear max, havent even maxed out or tried/unlock every weapon so i think i still have plenty of meat in the game before i start doing the fate whim style runs. many builds not tried yet 🙂

[viral yew]

Noted

[steep galleon]

The thing is that in my view the boons you really need rarified are primarily your core boons which you are already filling up in biome 1 anyway, so it's competing with pom here but pom is the clear winner by a longshot

After that why would you ever equip card realistically?

[tall notch]

I sometimes do to rarify tier 2s/the Oceanus Hermes boon

[viral yew]

Why pin over tooth?

[tall notch]

But I'd need to have enough gold to not need time piece and enough hp to not need anything defensive

[uneven palm]

10s to wail on Chronos

[glass bone]

Pin gives you 10 seconds of invulnerability. That is worth so much more than a DD of 101 HP.

[viral yew]

Is it used up first?

[glass bone]

Yes

[viral yew]

Ohhh that makes so much more sense

[uneven palm]

Keep it until p3 and you win

[glass bone]

The only time I’d take Lucky Tooth, is if I took Pin in Mourning Fields, and Echo gave me Gift Gift Gift to dupe the Pin to Tartarus.

[uneven palm]

(I have still lost)

[steep galleon]

Yeah that's the thing it's competing with a lot of stuff that varies based on how the run is going, and most of the time the other options are better straight up

[viral yew]

I have yet to beat 55 this will help massively

[uneven palm]

Yeah Pin rules. If you’re having room trouble Stalwart Strength + Pin will solve them too

[glass bone]

Also, Pin is like a mini Stalwart Strength, because it refreshes in the next encounter.

[uneven palm]

10s invuln every fight, and you keep the stalwart if you clear, and if you don’t well whatever you get it back next room

[glass bone]

That combo of Stalwart Strength + Pin is what helped me get my first 62 Fear Surface clear

It is super good.

[viral yew]

This is very interesting news

[glass bone]

**it was from a Natural Athena on a Fates Whim run, so probably too lucky, but still.

[viral yew]

Is it worth taking strength and praying for athena in oceanus/fields?

Or as a last ditch out of dd's strat

[steep galleon]

Hmm ghost onion, u using scars 3?

[glass bone]

If you are at 1 DD left, you can definitely ditch the DDs for Gorgon Amulet. But without Rerolls, it is so much riskier

[uneven palm]

I’ve done both. Or take Stalwart if Athena doesn’t offer Renewed

[glass bone]

Yes. It goes through Scars 3 now

[steep galleon]

Yeah ik which is why I'm asking

[junior trail]

There really should’ve been a dialogue where Mel’s like, “Wait, does your keepsake still work under the Oath? Do you have some kind of connection to the Night or something?”

And Dora just smugly goes, “Nahhh, my little stinker's just that good.”

[primal phoenix]

So you're playing with the DDs ?

[turbid crescent]

Is there any caste oriented builds in this game?

curious cuz on my last run I had 3 different boons on my caste and it really did a lot of damage

I'd love to try doing a caste focused run

[austere trail]

aspect of charon and circe

[turbid crescent]

dang I'll have to go axe?

smh

[chilly swift]

So I just got offered a death defiance refill in a shrine of hermes even though my DDs are full, does anyone know what happens if I order it? I'm guessing I just can't pick it up? (If anyone's curious, my last purchased DD was delivered in that room, but I'm guessing the shrine rolls its wares when you enter the room rather than when you access the shrine)

[cerulean panther]

If you have full DDs it will just sit there on the ground, yes.

[chilly swift]

Also, does anyone know roughly the location number for the end of Mount Olympus? I'm at location 40, just trying to plan my purchases

[cerulean panther]

You're very close to the end.

[dapper tide]

Does anyone have tips for unrivaled polyphemus? I feel like I struggle a lot with him because of the poison

[acoustic sandal]

Camp the wells if you can

Also what gods do y'all tend to run for pan?

[uneven palm]

Poseidon special

[chilly swift]

Hestia on special is amazing for pan, even at only rank 3 of the aspect I was able to phase prometheus in just a few special casts. If you can get Pyro Technique it's even better, and the duo that causes scorch to not diminish (I think it's on weak enemies? so aphro) as it deals damage is amazing

[chilly swift]

Focus on dodging and positioning over all else for sure, and note that he gains poison on his attacks if he stands in the poison. Don't approach him while he's got that poison buff, just dodge and avoid until it runs out if you want to preserve health. Aspect of Nergal is great in that fight, gives you some sustain and can damage him easily at a distance

[dapper tide]

I was trying to use hidden daggers and having a lot of trouble keeping track of everything

probably just need to be patient, thanks!

[foggy lantern]

I went up to the boss on the top with no hp bar, and my first hex use went fine and did like 3k dmg (go invulnerable and change form) but after that use the next few only did like 100, is this a glitch? Or does something stop me from being able to have a hex build work at that stage??

[glass bone]

A few things.

1. Medea’s poison patterns in the transition phases are exactly the same, every time. Now I can’t recall if the poison drops at the same spots every time, but the ending patterns are the same (a whole bunch of lines for P1 -> P2, and a star pattern for P2 -> 3)
2. Note that the vast majority of damage sources trigger Polyphemus’s counter attack, so if you have something like Scorch, Blitz, or Toula, just wail damage on him, and then run and dodge the shockwaves and boulders.
3. Whenever he stomps on the ground from a stand still, he will shoot a fast shockwave forward, so ideally you want to dodge on the side than forward directly at Polyphemus.

[cerulean panther]

Do you have a Godsent Hex? Without specific upgrades that can only pop once per fight.

[foggy lantern]

Ohh I didn’t even think about this, yes it was God sent Aphrodite but I had all but 1 of the upgrades, it just felt like it should have done more dmg but if Godsent makes it where it’s only good for that one use then really bad after that makes sense

[hollow stag]

What boons are good on Moros Flames? Would it be Hera Attack, Poseidon Special, get their Omega boosting boons also?

[glass bone]

Close I’d say. Hera Attack, Zeus Special, Hera / Poseidon Gain is my preferred choice.

But Moros can use a lot of stuff because it has that +60% damage boost on Attack blasts.

[steep galleon]

Wow so lovers is a real game changer for me in terms of me taking damage

[subtle moat]

hey personally i like a lot Demeter and Hespaistos boons for moros (if possible with Hera link on the dash)

[glass bone]

100% yes. Lovers could save like… hundreds of damage taken

[steep galleon]

First run in a while with double digit damage taken at most

Never taking this off, I was a fool not to use it more on my regular setup...

[split igloo]

i just use artemis and dash around so much i cant get hit lol

gotta like intentionally proc riposte since the dash is so effective

[subtle moat]

with the regain boon of Hermes on the dash it's quite impressive and really useful for certain weapons

[hollow stag]

And what are good hammers for Moros Flames? I see Mega Blaze ( Attacks Fire 20% farther and 30% more damage)

[vital ledge]

especially with rivals. I started to take the hermes sprint on top of it to absorb even more random nonsense. it is better than it sounds

[glass bone]

This I’m a little less certain on… There’s a 62 Fear clear by Coldshade, and that could answer your question.

Though also that may have spoilers for story and rival bosses, so view it at your own risk

[bronze flax]

So, any suggestion for Rivals Typhon? I beat Rivals Chronos yesterday and I know what to expect on Rivals Typhon, but it looks like hell

[glass bone]

How much do you know of the fight already?

[bronze flax]

I have seen gameplay (I used to see a lot of Hades 2 videos before getting it myself 😅 )

[glass bone]

There’s a lot of complicated stuff going on across the whole fight imo, compared to Chronos who has the cheap trick in P2, and the centralized mess of P3 (though also I have done way more high fear UW than Surface).

[patent locust]

What cast is the best on circes staff ? I can beat chronos easily with it but prometheus is so hard and ive never beat typhon so i would like some advices for builds please

[glass bone]

So I assume you know ||that Chronos is there, he has instakill attacks, eggs now spawn minibosses, and there’s a secret extra 2 phases, one called Babality, and the other final 10k HP after you exit Babality||

[glass bone]

Storm Ring or Smolder Ring are the best casts imo. You don’t need to get Winner’s Circle or a Gain boon for those two.

[vital ledge]

I kinda ignore what chronos does for the most part and play it like normal typhon. except the oneshots of course.
only difference is the tongue slam typhon does at the very beginning.

[bronze flax]

Yes, I'm aware of those elements

[glass bone]

For the tongue slams, you want to sort of hug the bottom edge of the arena and dodge if necessary, and then dodge towards the third tongue slam iirc.

[patent locust]

Sorry my game is in french so what is winners circle and gain boon please 😭😭

[glass bone]

Winner’s Circle is the speedy cast from Hermes, and Gain boon is the magick regen in the bottom core slot (Attack, Special, Cast, Rush, and Gain are the order of core boons on the left side of the screen)

[patent locust]

Ooooh ok ty, and what keepsakes do you recommend, i have all of them

[glass bone]

Circe doesn’t have any specific keepsakes to take, so take your pick. In theory, something like Lion Fang (Heracles), Embryo (Chaos), or Evil Eye (Nemesis) can help your damage, but I don’t really like taking those keepsakes too often.

If you want something specific though, take Hestia or Zeus’s keepsake in Region 1 to hunt for their cast, since that is the most important early game boon

[patent locust]

Ok tysm, normally i take charons keepsake, then athenas, then medeas and finally achilles one for chronos i always forgot the boons keepsakes

They are 1 star 😭😭

I found out recently i couldnt have 2 effects on my glypth too 💔

[patent locust]

Cast*

[glass bone]

One more thing; there are a few boons you want to go for outside of the cast. Arctic Gusts (cast gusts from Demeter), Pyro Technique for Hestia cast (boost to Scorch drain rate / damage), Double Strike for Zeus Cast (chance to strike twice per Lightning damage), Chasm from Chaos (+% damage to Casts), and any two curses for Zeus Cast (or one other curse that’s not Scorch for Hestia cast) are all great. And if you unlocked Familiars, take the cat or bird depending on if you have Strength or Death.

[bronze flax]

Toula requires micromanagement, but she can deal good damage, it is pretty nice for Circe aspect

Raki automatically follows enemies, but deals less damage

[patent locust]

So i take hestias cast and combine with demeters thing and the chaos one if i dont want to use zeus, and i dont have the bird yet, is the dog fine ?

Im using strength btw

[glass bone]

You could use Hecuba sure. But I find that Raki and Toula are most consistent at following enemies.

[patent locust]

Imma try to unlock the bird then ty

[bronze flax]

Gale is another option, she follows you around, so it's good for double cast on one single enemy, but I think Raki and Toula are better

[glass bone]

So in summary, a Circe build could look like…
Heaven Strike (Zeus Attack)
Sworn Flourish (Hera Special)
Storm Ring (Zeus Cast)
Arctic Gusts (Demeter additional boon)
Double Strike (Zeus T2 Boon)

If instead you took Hestia Cast, you don’t need a second curse to proc Origination, so you could ignore Blitz or Hitch if you can’t find it.

[patent locust]

Im sorry but what is origination

[glass bone]

More damage if you have 2 curses

[junior dome]

is the line that circe's draws any good for damage? or is it mainly the 2x cast?

[glass bone]

It’s the card with Chaos on it, and is a 5 cost card in the third row

[patent locust]

Curses are the chaos deals right

[junior dome]

curses are blitz etc

[glass bone]

Yes and no. Chaos does have Chaos curses, but they don’t count for Origination

Instead you need to think about stuff like Zeus Attack / Special (Blitz), Aphrodite Cast / Rush / Gain (Weak), etc.

[junior dome]

frozen, burn...

[patent locust]

Ahhhhh i see what you takk about

I should put my game in english

😭😭

Tysm guys

[glass bone]

You definitely can get a lot of damage out of the Psychic Leash. If you are playing with higher fears, the leash is a fantastic clearer of Wards.

In theory, you want to optimize the leash to be between the enemy, but it’s not as if the leash is mandatory to succeed.

[junior dome]

yeah i had more luck with stacking casts on the frog, more luck with the leash on the cat

[cold tusk]

What’re your top weapon aspects for upgrading first? (I’ve got 20 more nightmare to invest and all aspect unlocked). Been playing blind, but now I’d like to discuss builds and boons. Thanks!

[junior dome]

so many runs being annoyed at that damned cat because i'd clear a room then realize she was asleep at the entance the whole time,
circe's actually makes toula's laziness useful

[junior dome]

its so fun to accidentally dump 5 nightmare into a bad weapon then try to win with it anyway 😆

[glass bone]

Well what is the purpose? To speedrun, or to push fears?

[junior dome]

melinoe twin blades are fire... at low heat anyways

[cold tusk]

32 fear would be my next goal

[glass bone]

I disagree. Mel Blades imo are like… an A Tier weapon, comparable to stuff like Nergal or Hel at high fears.

[cold tusk]

I’ll have to more carefully pair which companion to take and boons I’m targeting now.

[glass bone]

Well then Circe Staff is an excellent choice, and we’ve talked about that at length.

[junior dome]

at low heat they're great, just rarify aphro attack and you can kill most bosses so fast damage doesn't matter

i accept that as heat stacks up the 'easy' weapons aren't necessarily good anymore

[glass bone]

If you want something different though… here’s a weapon for each aspect:
Staff: Circe Staff (or Hidden Staff if you maxed Circe. Both are really good)
Blades: Hidden Blades
Torch: Eos
Axe: Charon
Skull: Medea (or Persephone)
Coat: Nyx

[dusty ember]

Can narcisus still give you a reroll?

[junior dome]

is the hidden torch aspect awful or do i jsut not understand them?

[glass bone]

Here’s my take. Mel Blades are boring compared to a lot of the gimmicks of other weapons. But akin to Mel Staff, it’s consistent always applicable bonus is better than a lot of other weapons’s gimmicks. At 62 Fear, Huntress + Artificer or ||Jeweled Pom|| Is a bit required, but it can really put in some work.

[glass bone]

Hidden Torch has been nerfed nearly in every single patch since its release in Patch 9. Iirc, its rush bonus used to be like 70% or something crazy like that.

[dusty ember]

I remember he could do that, but i've never seen it again

[uneven yacht]

does the hestia boon that gives dmg bonus to foes nowhere near other foes work on typhon/ chronos if there are no minions?

[glass bone]

Nowadays, I’d say that Hidden Torches can definitely work, including at 62 Fear (the highest most people want to push to), but it’s super annoying to use if you don’t have Breaker Rush or Heat Rush

[nimble hamlet]

how does Winner's circle interact with zeus / hestia casts

is it still kind of meh?

or is it good now?

[cerulean panther]

It still has negative synergy.

[nimble hamlet]

sigh

[glass bone]

It’s a downgrade for Hestia / Zeus cast. Winner’s Circle is still great with Hera, Poseidon, Apollo, and Hephaestus cast

[junior dome]

do melee weapons become trash at higher fear? I feel like hades 2 punishes melee more than 1
polythemus is just like "i'm gonna stand here and make aoe's around my feet constantly"
although i did find eris easier on melee builds than ranged 🤔

[nimble hamlet]

yeah that's where I was last at :3 I guess things haven't changed there

so is Heph still king for damage when taking WC?

[glass bone]

Bit of a complicated answer, but uh…. Yes and No.

[nimble hamlet]

Heph + geyser spout?

[hallow crag]

the zeus aphrodite duo boon that increased blitz by a % and triggers it when you sprint into blitzed mobs, is the bonus % to blitz damage just a baseline increase or is it only the blitzes you trigger via sprinting

Romantic spark

[glass bone]

The top 3 aspects at high fear are Mel Staff (midrange or a bit faraway), Circe (sort of melee but not really cause of the familiar cast and also stuff like Glowing Coal or Lightning Lance), and Medea (100% a Melee Weapon).

[nimble hamlet]

and / or is WC even good? Or do cast builds now do Zeus / Hestia? I saw some cast builds with zeus and hestia

[glass bone]

From there, a lot of the weapon distinctions between good and bad weapons at high fear are magick reliance, bad Ward clears, and boon or hammer reliance.

For example, Hidden Torches is very reliant on getting a strong rush boon, and if you don’t get the rush boon, you are just dead cause of Timer, either at Erebus, or Olympus

Meanwhile, an aspect such as Shiva struggles at high gear because it needs a lot of magick to support its combo.

Ideally, a good high fear weapon doesn’t need magick, and can be okay without specific boons (unless you are willing to constantly reset for timer pause rooms AND reroll into boons either by arcana or straight RNG)

To this end, since you mentioned Mel Blades… It doesn’t require magick, and now does have some good damage without boons. But its main problem now is that it doesn’t have huge peaks of damage without specific hammers (Wicked Onslaught, Reaper Knives, or Trick Knives).

But… perhaps I am an outlier, because I’ve done Mel Blades 62 Fear UW about… 6 times now, each with different combos.

[nimble hamlet]

ok I'll shift my question over to "does Zeus's cast deal more damage than a WC Heph cast?"

I dont't have the damage counter mod set up rn

[glass bone]

Hmmm… tough call. I feel like Zeus’s cast is a bit more consistent against a singular target, but Heph cast WC is better for groups.

Then again, Smolder Ring is also great for Groups, and that’s 1 step away from getting a +50% damage boost to most enemies.

[nimble hamlet]

mhh

I used to prefer Heph

but that was on Momus. On Circe I might prefer Zeus

[brazen echo]

They probably should buff daggers a bit overall

[glass bone]

I did want to say however, that Hephaestus’s main damage source has switched.

[brazen echo]

Moveset’s fine but the aspects are kinda whatever

[glass bone]

Now it is the Blasts.

[bronze flax]

I like daggers, but yeah, they could get a buff

[brazen echo]

They could prob revert the nerf to pan and it’ll be done

But idk what you do with artemis

[glass bone]

But to get that huge damage spikes, you need to invest some rarities / Poms, and/or get a very specific set of duo(s).

[bronze flax]

Pan in particular hurts me, please, the channel speed is so slow 😭

[brazen echo]

I just want a really good attack spam dagger though 😔

[bronze flax]

The concept is pretty cool but... Yeah...

[glass bone]

The most important duo for Hephaestus is Hestia, because if you time it right, the Hephaestus blast will literally do double damage.

[brazen wasp]

should i use omega casts with circe

[bronze flax]

I feel Mel Daggers are the one for that job, am I tripping on thinking that?

[glass bone]

If you are playing below 50 fear, you can do it absolutely. Take Lucid Gain, Solar / Tidal Ding, Geyser Spout, and Winner’s Circle, and go nuts.

[brazen echo]

It is but also i don’t feel it’s particularly worth going for backstabs either way

[glass bone]

If you are playing above 50 Fear, OCasts are not worth it.

[bronze flax]

Huh, why not?

[brazen echo]

Tbh idt you need to change mel daggers since they are meant to be simple/kinda weak, but artemis could do with a tweak

[steep galleon]

Honestly I forget o cast is even there, even on stuff like Circe

[nimble hamlet]

Mel aspects should be simple, not weak imo

[brazen echo]

Give mel daggers innate attack speed

[steep galleon]

I do pretty fine on the blades myself

[glass bone]

TLDR, Wards, Frenzy + Rivals, and Forfeit + Hubris.

• Wards mean the OCast may get blocked
• Frenzy + Rivals mean you may get hit before you can drop the OCast
• Hubris + Forfeit means you won’t get that many boons, so finding Lucid Gain / Flood Gain / Cardio Gain, the OCast specific boon, and WC isn’t so simple.

[bronze flax]

Ohhh, ok, that's fair

[steep galleon]

Thoughts on boatman vs excellence? (Fates whim, so no reroll corner)

[sacred storm]

if you're doing fates whim then excellence is fine imo

[cerulean panther]

If you're going Fate's Whim I think Excellence is the better choice.

[glass bone]

I haven’t done Excellence just yet, but I have really considered it.

[sacred storm]

the watch solves money anyway

[cerulean panther]

I did find myself missing that opening 300 gold.

[glass bone]

Excellence is huge for Surface high fear imo.

[brazen echo]

Huh

It never occured to me that ephyra doesn’t have a mid shop

[glass bone]

But if you are playing UW… that one boon in Erebus could be the difference maker.

[steep galleon]

Yeah that's my thinking

[glass bone]

It doesn’t, but that’s because it gives 6 major rewards.

[steep galleon]

Midshop can be huge so I can consider taking boatman in underworld

[glass bone]

So Boatman for UW, Excellence for Surface, I think

[steep galleon]

It's really the first midshop that boatman really helps out with, so only underworld

By biome 2 you're usually taking time piece money is no longer a problem

[brazen echo]

Btw how does pin work with death defiances?

[steep galleon]

It gets consumed first

[glass bone]

It always triggers first. If you don’t clear it in 10 seconds, your rightmost DD is consumed. If you do clear it, you are healed by the amount listed by rank, and no DDs are consumed.

[brazen echo]

If i die during pin duration do i instantly die or only one dd

Ah okay

||trying to figure out the safest way to trigger the last fates mission||

[steep galleon]

Just don't take dds if you're doing that

I took no arcana so I could fulfill the prophecy of beating hecate, 2 birds one stone

You need to trigger it in 3 rooms back to back, after that you can die

Anyways, what does o attack on anubis do exactly?

[glass bone]

It’s a second wave you can have out, and iirc, it deals 3x the base damage of Attack.

[patent bison]

i took reckless abandon from dionysos (5 55 555) with the sister blades and it made my damage worse, i don't get it?

was an epic one too

[nimble hamlet]

does anyone like the icarus cast buff?

like it feels more of a hindrance

the one which makes it drop a blast after 4 seconds

I get that it's 500 damage, but it's such a big chunk of map you can't walk into

[leaden zephyr]

anyone with some experience on high fear with supay? I have much better success with it compared to staf or medea, but im low fear (45/50)

[glass bone]

Once you turn on Vow of Forfeit, Supay becomes not so great and fun.

I have beaten Supay 62 Fear UW, but unfortunately the footage corrupted, so I guess you could “listen” to a video I have of Supay 62

The run had gotten Heat Rush and ||Gigaros Dash|| early on, and iirc, had Glowing Coal as a ranged option

[leaden zephyr]

yeah that was my intial main concern, vow forfeit changes everything when it comes to supay

[glass bone]

I do however have a non-corrupted 50 Fear Supay run published to YouTube, and that was fine enough

Oh wait… I don’t that uploaded

Nevermind, I didn’t publish it, but I did do it in Patch 11

[leaden zephyr]

I find poseidon and hestia rush just as (almost) equally good, whats ur opinion on this ?

[glass bone]

Well for starters, they are like the only two good Rush boons to take for Supay

Between the two… ||Gigaros Dash|| means that Breaker Rush is more often to do its bursts, but Heat Rush is super safe in comparison.

[leaden zephyr]

have not been able to try the spoiler rush

[glass bone]

Have you cleared True Ending?

[leaden zephyr]

yeah im going to unlock all the new keepsakes tonight

i was asking myself if the spoiller rush will scale with supay actually haha

[glass bone]

The spoiler boon is spoiler marked just because it’s an effect of one of the keepsakes.

||The Hades keepsake gives you +3 levels, and a Hades boon at the start of the run. The spoiler boon means that Supay actually can start with a hitstun effect, which is huge.||

||problem is, you have to take away rerolls, so it is awful aiming for specifically Poseidon or Hestia, specifically their rush boon, and specifically with Gigaros Dash in an ideal world||

I did it once, probably never again…

[rain wagon]

1 of them is a game-changer, another is amazing, the 3rd is very good if you use it wisely.

I'm having so much fun with that first one.

[leaden zephyr]

ahhh thats the whole fates whim thing then! gotcha

Dystopian what do you exactly mean with hitstun?

i have a FGC background so i know the term, but dont get it here

[glass bone]

Iirc, all of Supay’s attacks do not cause the enemies to stop. So while you are damaging an up armored enemy, they can still do their attacks.

[leaden zephyr]

yeah sure

[glass bone]

So ||Gigaros Dash means every time you dash, you can stop an unarmored enemy from doing an attack||

It’s got a pretty wide AoE too, which is nice.

[leaden zephyr]

ahhhhhh, spoiler dash interrupts!!

thats cool

[glass bone]

But again, rolling and resetting countless runs for that specific boon, and specifically Poseidon or Hestia dash, is terrible…

[vital ledge]

||noticed that on the surface, the chronos specific hades boons will work on typhon instead.
so it isn't just a waste to get those at least.||

[leaden zephyr]

with spoiler keepsake, you get it the offers of the spoiler god immediately with the run right?

but canT reroll since fated thingy thingy

and then you have to do the whole run without rerolls, yeah seems very hard...

[glass bone]

||Well… it is counted separately from actually getting Hades’s NPC encounter. So unlike Athena in Olympus, you can get 2 Hades boons in UW||

[leaden zephyr]

cool! But still, tricky with supay. The new keepsakes are going to change the high fear meta for sure

[supple tangle]

Ngl, bit ashamed but I think I’m gonna use god mode to get to the end of the story then turn it off, I still gotta beat typhon 2 more times and the fight itself makes my hands hurt like hell

[glass bone]

They already have. On the Crossroads website, something like 90% of runs take ||Jeweled Pom|| in Region 1, and most runs (but not a wide majority) take the other two 1.0 keepsakes.

[leaden zephyr]

im way too late to the party haha

[glass bone]

It’s not too late to do high fear

[low elk]

quick question, what boons should I go for with selene black coat? I never use black coat so I'm clueless

[leaden zephyr]

Oh yeah I know, im just suprised, I heavely played early access and last patch, was away for a bit and lotsd of things changed; but thats super positive

[vital ledge]

need to get 32 with all aspects first (again), then I might suffer some more and learn timer 3

[round delta]

Today I learned that when you use Judgement while ||Fate's Whim|| is active, you won't unlock cards that give you re-rolls. So as long as you don't equip a god boon you can consistently unlock all of the arcana minus rolls

[brazen echo]

They prob could nerf it to give one less level to a boon and it would still be broken

[vital ledge]

judgement is the equivalent to hoarding items in rpg's to me 😛
get more stuff to never use it / need it, while making 75% of the game harder for yourself.

[tropic drum]

oh thats good to know

[glass bone]

Hey, sorry for the late reply. Selene mainly wants a maxed out Hex, and something good on the Special. The most important node on Selene is Cascade (Hex fires after using an Omega Move). Next most important node is the Godsent with Ares.

So in theory, you could take say… Blitz Special + Arc Flash. But again, main thing is the Hex.

[tall notch]

Imo you should switch to Nyx

[glass bone]

Yeah it’s the correct answer for pure power and I agree… but if they want to play Selene, then “just play a different aspect” feels bad…

[tall notch]

You're correct but I can't resist an opportunity to dunk on Selene

Actual worst aspect

[glass bone]

Yeah… especially now that Pan, Mel Axe, and Than are playable at higher fears.

Selene is the one left behind now…

What was that important node that got removed from Selene in like… the EA Unseen patch?

[low elk]

Can't, I'm trying to increase my bonds with everyone and I need to beat a run with Selene's aspect to do that

[hollow stag]

Which is better for Moros Flames, Flood Gain or Born Gain?

[vital ledge]

nah, mel coat does nothing at all. selene is at least unique

[visual ermine]

Arcana thought: Messenger to proc divinity and losing swift runner is bait right?

[ionic stag]

All my Mel coat runs automatically turn into cast builds cuz I hate it so much

[low elk]

I personally tend to prefer flood gain on that

[steep galleon]

Born 100%

[nova raven]

I always take born gain for the torches

[steep galleon]

Had to do it one time to complete a 32f run but man playing it doesn't feel nice at all

[glass bone]

It’s a super high fear opinion, but there’s three things that Mel Coat has over Selene.

1. Hex. With Selene, you are locked to Sky Fall, whereas with Mel Coat, you can take something like Lunar Ray, Wolf Howl, or Twilight Curse.
2. Attack speed: Mel Coat can use Exhaust Rider (hammer) + Scorch or Waves, which can actually do some good damage that doesn’t require omega moves and a lot of Selene nodes.
3. Movement Speed: For Rival Cerberus, Chronos, and maybe Rival Prom and Typhon, getting movement is a massive deal. It is the only aspect that gets innate movement speed, so it is the only aspect that can cleanly dodge P3 Chronos’s Laser spam, and P2 Cerberus’s double fireball spits in every single run.

[steep galleon]

I just hate channel heavy weapons in general

[steep galleon]

Speed is always nice

[glass bone]

Born Gain at low fear / any%, Flood Gain at high fear / 50-62

[vital ledge]

You have a point with the movement speed. noticed that with 40% cerby it is pretty much impossible to avoid the flame breath sometimes. 👍

[steep galleon]

Helps a lot for rivals prometheus too

[glass bone]

Born Gain’s massive quadratic magick pool can be dumpstered by Hubris + Grit if you don’t take Silver Wheel or Hecuba for bosses.

So for bosses, I’ve liked to take Flood Gain more often than Born Gain.

[glass bone]

You don’t even need 40%. Swift Runner + Nitro Boost levels of speed I feel is enough to be consistent.

And Mel Coat has +20%

[bronze flax]

I almost died against Rivals Poly because I got not HP increase

Yeah, Surface is still a menace to me

Well, time for Athena to carry, I guess

[ionic stag]

Why is flood gain superior in high fear runs?

[steep galleon]

Cause of vow of hubris

[glass bone]

I’m probably still a minority in this, but yes, it’s because of Hubris, but also Grit.

[steep galleon]

Makes it much easier to prime out

[vital ledge]

I meant +40% speed for rivals cerby. 🙂
I just get hit by that attack all the time and more movement speed would maybe help. Didn't value movement speed at all when I said "mel coat does nothing"

[steep galleon]

Still can be played around but you need to be very careful

[bronze flax]

Tbh, I don't even understand how Flood Gain works

[steep galleon]

Currently since I am not on extremely high fear yet I take 1 hubris if it's a magic heavy weapon, otherwise 2 hubris

[glass bone]

Upon using an omega moves, your magick is refilled, and any omega moves will be refilled for the next x seconds (depending on rarity and level). Then there is a 8 second cooldown before the infinite magick can come up again.

[ionic stag]

I see but what about Apollo gain, I’m using it a lot recently

[bronze flax]

So the game plan there is switching between spamming Omega Moves and waiting 8 seconds to start the process again?

[vital ledge]

apollo gain is great. probably the best now. but apollo has a weaker rest than hera.
both gains are at the top I'd say. you don't even need to get more magick with apollo, unless you prime yourself out with hybris.

[bronze flax]

If I need cast as a pivotal point of the aspect (like Charon or Pan), I tend to go with Lucid Gain

[glass bone]

A bit. You can also use some magick during the cooldown, but that doesn’t get refilled, so there will come a point where you are forced to wait

[bronze flax]

Or if I'm using Momus, 3 Lucid Gain recover with the turret

[steep galleon]

Tbh you should always be casting anyways

[glass bone]

And also, there are some moments where you are forced to wait (such as Hecate’s twilight curse, or Prom’s memory gain)

Unfortunately, that does mean Flood Gain’s infinite magick duration can get wasted

[steep galleon]

Not sure, high fear torch players can chime in on this

[rugged moon]

You should be on furies and thus always casting anyway basicly

[steep galleon]

I was just saying that born gain can be dangerous on hubris 2

[rugged moon]

Yeah

For bosses in a dedicated omega build you need like 200 or so mana to not prime out midfight

(Minimum)

[glass bone]

Lucid Gain on torches is definitely good… but I feel torn. For what I am doing right now, Lucid Gain is best on Supay and Mel Torches, probably.

[rugged moon]

Losing potentially 12-20 mana every boon means you need to start taking a lot of mana ups to prevent it

[steep galleon]

I mean tbh I don't see any difference in playstyle between mel and moros torches

[vital ledge]

hah! same

[rugged moon]

Mel needs uptime on omega special less

[ionic stag]

My brain is too smooth to manage flood gain lol

[steep galleon]

Still a good idea to have it up basically always

[glass bone]

Moros torches demands you use OSpecial constantly, along with OAttacks.

[rugged moon]

Sorta. If you dont have a special boon or whatnot its not needed

Compared to moros who dont care about the special damage

Mels dps goes down less when you dont have the mana to ospecial

Essentially

[tall notch]

I'd rather play Mel coat because at least it makes me move faster

[glass bone]

For Fates Whim, Eos can actually use Unseen, so it doesn’t need any gain whatsoever.
And for Moros, its magick consumption can get pretty heavy compared to Mel Torch (unless you do the Fine Line Ocean Swell, at which point you need Flood / Born Gain than Lucid).

[rugged moon]

no one can take unseen its a bad card dont do it

[ionic stag]

Unseen not regenerating during charge really hurts its efficiency

[tall notch]

Okay now you've done it I'm clicking unseen for my 62 Nyx

[glass bone]

Of the Torches, Supay imo probably uses Lucid Gain best, because Supay has high timed bursts of magick that a pommed or rarified Lucid Gain can manage.

[ionic stag]

Feels like I’m running a even worse glamour gain

[rugged moon]

Do it coldshade

[vital ledge]

making 62 even harder

[rugged moon]

Theoretically even a base lucid gain should be just like 20mana per second just dropping it every single time its up

[steep galleon]

The thing is for me mel and moros have an absolutely identical playstyle, down to builds and everything. And while yes mel doesn't have a gimmick including her specials, you are still actively gimping your dmg output by not having it up always

[glass bone]

Look, I know what Haelian and Boated have said about Unseen, but…. IMO, for High Fear Fates Whim, Unseen actually can be better than Boatman, on SOME aspects.

[rugged moon]

Very not. 😛

[tall notch]

Hear me out you can play both boatman and unseen

[rugged moon]

Coldshade you are… a menace

[vital ledge]

yeah, who needs origination am I right?

[glass bone]

That is true, but a lot of the time I like to take Artificer and Huntress or Night.

[tall notch]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjOSIsImMxMSIsImMxMiIsImMxMyIsImMxNCIsImMxNSIsImMxNyIsImMxOCJd

[rugged moon]

Still a menace

[tall notch]

Thank you

[vital ledge]

let's add excellence to the mix.
5 is clearly bigger than 4, so it must be better than DDs

[glass bone]

If I had to say what aspects could use Unseen at high fear… Eos, non-Charon Axes (specifically with either Dashing Heave that’s not Than, or Psychic Whirlwind), and Persephone.

[surreal hazel]

Unseen with tough gain

[glass bone]

Those are the ones off the top of my head.

[rugged moon]

Plasma dont encourage 😛

[glass bone]

Morrigan could also use it, but it feels a bit dicey considering Final Slice

[rugged moon]

Coldshade is menace enough

[tall notch]

okay so there's actually a big difference, namely Mel torch attack doesn't pierce whereas Moros does. this means that if you're playing Mel torch on wards fear levels, you have to actively think "wait how am i going to deal with wards" whereas Moros doesn't care

[rugged moon]

[glass bone]

So now we’ve confirmed that Foolish is actually Medea incarnate, and Coldshade is Vow of Menace.

[rugged moon]

Accurate

[glass bone]

Each day there’s a 25% chance Coldshade will turn into an aquatic Hippo

[ionic stag]

Guys is there any way to make tough gain viable?

[glass bone]

Nergal

[rugged moon]

Brave face as your only mana use on nergal

[glass bone]

And also on aspects that don’t require much magick (e.g. Mel Staff).

[ionic stag]

But I don’t wanna take hits🥹

Like taking hits means less health means more dead me

[rugged moon]

Not with nergal

[tall notch]

You can use tough gain on aspects that need just some magick, at a higher difficulty level you will inevitably get hit so it'll proc just enough times to keep your mana topped up

[vital ledge]

being honest: tough gain is pretty much "I don't use magick and I don't even need glamour gains curse". then it is okay I guess?

[ionic stag]

So like it’s viable (if desperate) but still not the best in slot right?

[rugged moon]

Oh god no

Tough gain is bad xd

[tall notch]

viable in some very narrow circumstances, but even in those you can have better

[brazen wasp]

is hestia best cast on circe

[rugged moon]

Its only use is if tou dont need a gain essentially but all aspects can use magic to a degree

Zues is great too

[glass bone]

Yes and no. Zeus is better for single target damage, Hestia is better for AoE damage.

[brazen wasp]

what should i take to support circe, this seed gives me a heroic cast so its either hestia or zeus

[glass bone]

Arctic Gale is a great boon to take

[vital ledge]

sounds very useful in pain 3 surface. who doesn't want to turn the 140 tongue into 137

[glass bone]

Other than that….. just get two unique curses (Scorch Cast counts as 1/2)

[rare brook]

Why omega skills are so punished? I can't imagine relying on them for high fears

[glass bone]

Oh also, take Pyro Technique for Hestia Cast. You will need it for the later regions

[brazen wasp]

and if i go zeus

[glass bone]

Same thing, but Double Strike replaces Pyro Technique

[ionic stag]

Btw is there any source to check the stats for ocasts? (Edit: It’s 195 base dmg when explode)

[brazen wasp]

whats a good duo to shoot for with zeus cast

[glass bone]

I mean there isn’t really a specific duo for the Zeus Cast, but you could go for any of the Lightning or Blitz related duos.

Just ignore Glorious Disaster. It’s power level is the name of the boon

[surreal hazel]

Hrm. If blitz doublestrikes. Double thermal dynamics?

[glass bone]

Maybe… not sure if that is how it works

[cerulean panther]

I got that a little while ago and I'm leaning towards "no" but I was not taking notes.

Double Strike isn't visually distinguished, right? The second hit lands at the same time as the first?

[glass bone]

But considering that build would have Blitz, Double Strike, Zeus Cast, and Thermal Dynamics… I’d want to take Thermal Dynamics on the Hestia cast build so that Hestia and Zeus each has 2 boons I’m looking for, and then the duo.

[rare brook]

Henious Affront is pretty strong from my experience in terms of duos

[brazen wasp]

no hammer is good on circe right?\

[cerulean panther]

Circe is hammer-agnostic, yes.

[rare brook]

No hammer is bad for circe aspect

Just go for universal double-hit and destroy armor upgrades

Or even something as faster attack/special

[surreal hazel]

If you pull light smite specifically

Massive aoe spawned atop every enemy you wound. Easily tops the damage board

[rare brook]

My favourite duo is hestia - apollo one -> you kill one armored minion during Typhoon fight and the thingy can solo him 😄

[ionic stag]

I think it’s only good with light mite right? The Zeus revenge hardly does any dmg

[cerulean panther]

That's Hera/Apollo.

Hestia/Apollo is HP recovery on Dodge/Miss.

[rare brook]

Oh sorry, Hera/Apollo

[rugged moon]

Heroic Success Rate and Jeweled Pom would like to speak with you (this is joke)

[rare brook]

Sometimes I mistake those two godness

[steep galleon]

Just had another run with 100k dmg from "allies", sun worshiper is goated indeed

[surreal hazel]

It's okay but hardly steals the show the way light smite does

[rare brook]

Who gives light smite? Apollo?

[surreal hazel]

Yes

[rugged moon]

Fan of Catchy Songs

[forest oxide]

Hi my boyfriend can’t beat Typhon but refuses to relinquish Artemis so what are the most busted Artemis builds you 10 Artemis players got

[surreal hazel]

The one where you actually learn to dodge typhon properly

No build can replace that

[cerulean panther]

Reroll until you get Sweeping Ambush.

[ionic stag]

How does Circe interact with scorch?

[rare brook]

Oh right, Apollo has revenge boon. But even without it the duo with zeus revenge is pretty strong

[flint widget]

if u get tk go for thermal dynamics

[surreal hazel]

It's a mirage

[steep galleon]

%dmg on attack like aphro and boost power via slow cooker and other means

[surreal hazel]

Not nearly as good as it seems

[forest oxide]

What I’ve been saying

[cerulean panther]

Divine Vengeance is a pretty nothing boon.

#h2-victory-boasting message

[rugged moon]

Divine Vengeance with successrate is... fine

[cerulean panther]

Heinous Affront is a great Plasma generator if for whatever reason that's what you want (it actually makes Grisly Gain highly reliable, do recommend), but Light Smite is where the damage happens.

[proper cloak]

Is judgement optimal in high fear to play around void

[rugged moon]

god no

[ionic stag]

Yeah the base dmg of Zeus revenge is a joke, even at lvl 20 it still does nothing, never seen it in my damage meter even with the duo.

[rare brook]

Mirage?

[surreal hazel]

What do you want to generate me- oh

[surreal hazel]

Looks way better than it is

[rare brook]

Oh ok

[surreal hazel]

I have but by way of night bloom as well

[rain wagon]

The strongest build is definitely the Sweeping Ambush hammer (+400% Ω Attack damage, but +20 Magicka cost), if you can't find that pick up Fine Line & Ocean Swell from Hera & Poseidon. Then focus on defence (it really helps with learning enemy moves).

[surreal hazel]

Consequence and visceral impact is kinda funny when your summon blunders into lava and dispenses plasma everywhere

[ionic stag]

I’m sleeping on hexes I think

[surreal hazel]

Experiment

[blissful niche]

does the Athena Keep count against Fates Whim?
I guess it does cause it summons and shes an olympic god, but since her keepsake works a bit differently, I rather ask

[rugged moon]

Yes

[blissful niche]

and another question :')
I picked the Jeweled Pom Keepsake, I usually see the Hades Boon in my list (in the bottom) - but now I got it active but I cant see any boon D:
Fates Whim is still active (if not, it shows in big red)
Can you not have Hades Boons on a Top run?

[vital ledge]

you can have it on the surface. maybe you got the healing one and it is already used up?

[blissful niche]

OOOHH that could be it! thanks :D

[low elk]

Question, what boons should I go for with the torch secret aspect? It's so weird I can't figure it out, especially since it emphasizes sprint boons which I never pay attention to unless I get the Demeter one

[craggy spear]

I really like the Apollo one

I had a lot of fun using it + the Hermes one that gives you a higher dodge chance for having more boons

Carried me through Typhon a lot

[low elk]

That Hermes boon is busted on damn near every build

Also you're referring to the Apollo sprint boon right?

[craggy spear]

Yes

The speed boost and daze is great

Being able to do it automatically is great

I just love being fast af

[low elk]

Ooh that sounds nice. Then I imagine Hestia for attack might be nice, get that burn going constantly

[craggy spear]

I never use Hestia stuff unless it's the explosion whenever you kill a dude

[low elk]

Oh I love it, you can get some crazy damage going with it on the right weapon. Especially if you get the godsent hex that removes the cap on burn stacks

Hestia attack with the godsent on Anubis staff is genuinely busted

[craggy spear]

I only use the daggers lmao

[cerulean panther]

I've long had maxed out Nocturnal Arms, I just got some dialogue from Hephaestus commenting on carrying an Aspect he hadn't seen before (guessing it's Hidden Aspect dialogue), what else do I need to do to get that last heart unlocked?

[surreal hazel]

Chat more

[craggy spear]

No

[hot hemlock]

I just had a great Circe run with Storm Ring and Lightning Lance, which apparently completely bricked in the Typhon fight. I don't know where my cast disappeared to, but it was not on Typhon. I tried to stay really close, or far away, but I could not land the cast on him. Any idea what was going on there?

[surreal hazel]

In the middle of him

Not under his chin

Your cast was working fine, trust me

[tough vapor]

man rivals cerberus is real tough, idk if I was just being dumb through out the run with boon choices or if he is really just that JACKED on HP ((I had gotten a really early demter growth boon with an epic apollo attack, so I was actually avoiding a lot of boons untill those 2 got rarified to heroic, was running omega attack mel coat))

[surreal hazel]

He's tougher. Yes

Also stop hitting him when he's blocking

[tough vapor]

oh?

does it do smth more than just lower dmg?

[glass bone]

When his block is hit, he counter attacks with fireballs.

[tough vapor]

oh, yeah, thatd explain a lot lmao

[nova raven]

Does anyone have any tips for max frenzy rivals Sirens fight? it feels straight up impossible not to take a ton of damage to random projectiles/charybdis heads

[glass bone]

Back tentacles first, Roxy / Drummer typically last or second to last.

Rival Scylla opens the fight with a clam dash, so dodging out of that towards the back tentacles is great.

[cerulean panther]

And there it is.

[glass bone]

If you need a cheese button, take Godsent Total Eclipse if you can. It melts all of the the tentacles, and it greatly burns the sirens.

[vital ledge]

for me it worked to not focus on charybdis too much and take out the sirens earlier.
go to bottom corner, take out tentacle, take out scylla if she is there, go to next tentacle to the right, take out jetty if she followed, then tentacle next to roxy, roxy.

tentacles on the other side of the room don't matter at all.

[nova raven]

I usually run aspects that don’t use magick at all, sadly

[glass bone]

You can still use hexes with not much magick via Night, Unseen, or Eternity giving you the Moon card.

[nova raven]

How do the water sprinklers next to the drums work? What even activates them?

[glass bone]

You have to be standing beyond that line in front of the drummer for an extended period of time.

[nova raven]

I can’t fit any of these cards into my arcana setup

[glass bone]

Then the other specific boon I’d recommend is Hitch curses (all of Hera’s cores except for Gain).

Applying Hitch to the tentacles and the sirens is a good way to chunk them all down quicker.

[vital ledge]

worst thing "I" can do is go to the next tentacle while either scylla or jetty are following me. just stay there and get rid of them before moving on.
being in the middle of the room or rushing to roxy is a death sentence, if scylla and jetty are still doing their thing next to you.

[nova raven]

So just apply hitch without bursting them down, and then kill them all together?

[glass bone]

You can do that. But Hitch’s duration doesn’t last forever, so really it’s just applying it to the nearby Sirens and one or two tentacles.

[nova raven]

The worst part for me is the fact that you can’t stand still for even a split second

The fight honestly feels more overwhelming than anything else in the game other than unrivaled chronos

[glass bone]

I’d say it’s akin to Rival Typhon with projectile spam

[nova raven]

His projectiles just make more sense to me, idk why

And chronos’ stuff is has a delay

[glass bone]

Don’t feel bad though. Rival Scylla is absolutely one of the harder Rival fights, to a similar level to Rival Prom I’d say

[shy moat]

Yeah it feels out of place to me how high its difficulty jumps

[shy moat]

Rival prom is easier

[nova raven]

Rival prom feels easier to me

[vital ledge]

absolutely. the only reason why I could understand if someone doesn't want to use rivals 3 for 32 fear.
I've never lost to cerby unless scylla beat me up and echo didn't behave.

[glass bone]

Prom is a time gate to me, but also to be fair I’ve done far more UW than Surface runs

[nova raven]

Only the final fights in each region feel comparable tbh

[glass bone]

Like for comparison… I have cleared 10/24 aspects in UW at 62 Fear (Mel Staff, Circe, Anubis, Mel Blades, Artemis, Morrigan, Eos, Supay, Charon, and Nyx), but only 1/24 aspects in Surface 62 (Circe)

[austere trail]

I've only beat UR Chronos and UR Typhon once, but I beat the latter on my first try whereas with UR Chronos it took me like 5 attempts and I had to resort to using DDs again

[glass bone]

Even with those 10+ clears, I still can struggle on Rival Scylla and Chronos

[nova raven]

I just don’t understand why the second fight on the surface is Eris with a d tier hades 1 aspect, while the underworld fight is literally two bosses at once

[glass bone]

I do know the answer. It’s because at Patch 9, Eris and Polyphemus were turbo busted in comparison.

Polyphemus used to destroy wells, and I think the poison did more damage?

Meanwhile, Eris would almost always be able to track you and hit you with the gun

[vital ledge]

I legit think that rivals is "easier" on the surface, than in the underworld.
like... if I take 3, might as well do 4 on the surface.
underworld... 2 is stupid, 3 OK, 4 I lose half the time even if I think my build is good

[glass bone]

Both have been changed and nerfed due to complaints.

[nova raven]

I’ve only started playing on release so that’s new info for me

[austere trail]

destroying the wells is crazy. just a race to kill him before that could happen I guess

[raven ivy]

Does anyone know if Lethal Snare applies to foes hit by the cleave cast rings who were not previously within the cast ring?

[nova raven]

But people never complained about the sirens?

[glass bone]

Unfortunately, Polyphemus and Eris have not been buffed since the few nerfs, and Scylla has not been nerfed, despite feedback making said requests semi-unanimously.