h2-builds-and-combat

[edgy nacelle]

only to the other enemies! so Hitch itself doesn't do anything in single target
that said, Hera's attack and special boons have some of the highest % damage of any god so it's not like they're bad in single target, and it counts as a status curse for stuff like the Origination arcana card

[daring ferry]

yo

[opal bay]

Morrigan felt best on cling clang build for me

• Hephatus attack (maybe also special)
• Poseidon cast (for froth)
• Apollo dash (for daze)
• Hestia gain (for magik obviously)

Having them enable u to get

• Heph + posei duo = lower cd of cling clang by 35% (max out at 1.3s cd)
• Heph + hestia duo = double cling clang when u proc it in 2sec window after it’s off cd (really high dps boost)
• Heph + apollo duo (lower priority) = 300 more cling clang on daze opponent

Other useful boon to get:

• Heph’s glow on cling clang
• Heph’s armor boons (the ones that reset every room r always good for survivability)
• Heph’s legendary (makes morrigan blood triad proc dealing 999 instead of 777)

Hammers:

• Blood triad buff hammer will be ideal (+222 dmg on blood triad and chance to double proc blood triad)
• dash strike throw special (really useful if u have special cling clang too)
• Omega attack deal more dmg
• Attacks are faster

Arcana: the usual stuff being (from top row to bottom by position since i’m bad with name, i will also leave out the 0 cost since u will get them if u do this position correctly):
1
1 2
1 4 5
1 2
2 3

I hope I didn’t miss any arcana since i dont have the game with me rn xD

[flat flare]

Thanks

One last question, is there an easy way to check whether I have any Common Boons which would invalidate the bonus from Hera's "Uncommon Grace" boon?

I can see in the boon info screen which ones are Rare, Epic, etc., however as far as I can tell Common boons just have no listed rarity at all. However there are a number of other "bonuses" in the same list as Boons which cannot get higher rarities (Daedalus upgrades, Selene Moon power upgrades, etc.) which also have no listed rarity.

Thus it can be confusing to tell when I actually have a "Common Boon" which would invalidate "Uncommon Grace", and when I just have a bunch of non-Boon bonuses with no rarity where I would get the full bonus from "Uncommon Grace".

[daring ferry]

amazing i save this message thx lot I was kinda curious cuz i saw a lot of video with Hestia in attack

[edgy nacelle]

Hm, I believe uncommon grace won't get offered if it wouldn't do anything...?
But you're right, it is hard to tell since a lot of things look just like boons but aren't. Eventually you can recognize boons from memory, but until then it's tricky.

In general if you're playing Hera + Uncommon Grace you can always aim to get Proper Upbringing so you can't have common boons at all, and won't have to worry about it

[opal bay]

U can also try that

• Hestia attack
• Aphro cast
• Aphro gain
• Hestia Aphro duo
• Aphro legendary

Those r the cores

[flat flare]

Hmm, though does Proper Upbringing work retroactively for newly acquired Common Boons? My understanding was that it only applied to the Common Boons you had at the time you take Proper Upbringing? (At least according to the wiki)

[opal bay]

Using that build u will only need to spam normal attack and forget about blood triad
So that combo can be used on any aspects (maybe except the slow attack ones)

[daring ferry]

yes i remenber something like that i give a try for wat suits better for me ❤️

[edgy nacelle]

I will also say as an aside about Morrigan:
it's my single favorite weapon in the game, and it's very flexible, so feel free to experiment! I flagged someone else down to recommend a build since I just play whatever I get offered.
Hestia, Hera, Apollo, Aphrodite, Demeter, and even Zeus attack feels great; Zeus, Heph, and Ares special are nice imo.
It's a very versatile weapon and a lot of its damage comes from blood triad combos regardless of your boon list, so you can always try to play around good duo boons — i.e. if you get scorch attack then maybe aim for glamour gain or demeter special for duos, etc

[edgy nacelle]

HM I'd need to double check that, anecdotally I feel like it doesn't work that way and I know the wiki can be outdated, but it may be right in this situation
still, if you take Uncommon Grace and realize you have a common boon there is at least a fix for it

edit: searching the boon online there are people arguing about it lol, some saying the wiki is outdated and based that info on a bug? idk, maybe try a run with it and see

[viral yew]

Holy yap

[versed nexus]

Now I have a clingclang build to try, I love silly gimmick builds like these

[opal bay]

Go ares legendary + on hit on anubis plz. I almost got surface 32 with it eventhough the build was messed up being so unlucky

[viral yew]

No i'm doing 40f max rivals shiva

[split quest]

I'm doing my first 10 Fear run in the Underworld with Moros and it feels like nothing. This aspect is just insane

[edgy nacelle]

heph is kinda funny since it barely cares what weapon you're running, you can clang with anything and get carried lol
mom skull has the most direct synergy but you can do it on anything 🤷

[opal bay]

Spam special for the win?

Also have u seen my artemis O attack build xD beat 32 surface in a heart beat

[versed nexus]

Fair, idk the only cling clang runs that have felt nice for me was the classic Moros touches with heph on special, so it wasn't even a true cling clang run

[viral yew]

You gotta balance it out between having good normal and good omegas cause rival chronos does not stand around

[versed nexus]

I wanted to try it on Nergal but I hate the axe so XD

[viral yew]

Just a matter of learning the rivals fights better and getting a good run

[opal bay]

I just run like a maniac then shoot behind me when i did the build lul

[edgy nacelle]

clang helped me clear 40 fear surface with mel blades lol, heph special + demeter attack + apollo cast + something from hestia idr what. apollo dash demeter cast is more normal, just wanted to save rerolls
I think I also got greedy and managed to get the posiedon duo too, and tried for extended family from hera but didn't manage to grab it

[opal bay]

I have a really funny nergal build posted, lemme find that for u

[viral yew]

That reminds me I need to do 40f surface too

[opal bay]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[edgy nacelle]

I just love ephyra lol, I should pivot to underworld but ephyra makes the start of a run so fun
(and lmk how it goes if you start to run 40f surface!!)

[versed nexus]

I feel like Nergal starts to feel good when fully upgraded......which is annoying because I'd rather upgrade anything else XD

[opal bay]

Nergal is one of the stronger aspects to use. Not the best axe but still stronger than most

[versed nexus]

Yeah like out of all the axe aspects I'd rather use Nergal

[opal bay]

I just linked the build up there, take a look and maybe try it out lul

[versed nexus]

Oh I will! Looks fun lol

[edgy nacelle]

nergal with psychic whirlwind feels great
normal nergal is fine but I like charon and than better personally

[viral yew]

I mean surface rivals is easy I could do it with a couple of aspects but i'm gonna try do it with shiva

[opal bay]

Than axe and charon axe r really insane fyi

[versed nexus]

Really? What are some builds for them?

I'll still find a way to bungle the run, I really don't like the axe so I just play worse LMAO

[hollow stag]

Which is stronger for Fast Attack Staff with Poseidon? Zeus Static Shock and Power Surge Overload, or Ares Duo Arterial Spray (33% chance to double splash effects)

[opal bay]

Apollo legendary and spam O attack for than
All the cast and O cast boon/ posible from Apollo, Poseidon, demeter and ares + any special (preferably zeus/hera if u can find 5 god) for charon

[versed nexus]

Thanks!

[opal bay]

Fast attack staff seems like a weird name xD

[plain fossil]

u can play than in a number of different ways, playing it as regular axe is fine

[hollow stag]

Power washer then

[opal bay]

I can give u an in depth charon build later tonight

[plain fossil]

charon the most important thing is to get a gain boon that works with it, apollo is the usual

[opal bay]

Apollo is the always

[plain fossil]

u dont need anything other than apollo gain and knowledge of how to press the basic charon combo and u can faceroll everything

sometimes u dont/cant get apollo and have to make do with hera

[versed nexus]

Wait you play the aspect like
Put cast down
Immediately O special
Right?

[plain fossil]

either run or dash in --> cast --> start ospecial --> dash backwards while still facing your cast --> finish ospecial

if u just stand there like a goober channeling ospecial u usually take 50 damage

[versed nexus]

Mmmmm I see, I found it weird that you'd just stand there XD

[opal bay]

For attacking staff i’d suggest zeus attack, zeus lightning on magik use, zeus chain lightning, hestia gain, hestia attack power from fire element, aphro attack power, zeus heph duo boon for chain lightning & the most important thing is the hammer which give attack hits twice but use magik

[plain fossil]

u can dash during the ospecial channel and repoint direction afterwards, u can try it on skelly

[versed nexus]

Yeah I'll practice before doing an actual run with it

[waxen solar]

Do you change your dash button bind to enable you to dash while charging ?

[plain fossil]

no

spacebar is spacebar

[waxen solar]

Ah you use keyboard. What about a controller user?

[opal bay]

It’s ez to grasp, u can dash mid channel so it’ll be really ez to reposition urself from enemies attacks. Also for apollo gain (idk if it’s a bug in 1.0), u don’t actually need to stand in the cast when u hit it with O special and u will still get the magik back

[plain fossil]

ur asking a mkb user whether they rebind their controller buttons?

its not a bug, its just how apollo works now, the description changed to match

[steep galleon]

You just gain mana when the cast expires

[opal bay]

As long as dash and O special not using a same finger, u’ll be fine

[waxen solar]

Yes, I’m asking would you need to rebind the dash to be able to do it.?

[steep galleon]

Not based in regen while standing in cast anymore

[steep galleon]

Which for Charon is immediately

[opal bay]

Oh they changed how it work? Didn’t read so I couldn’t tell

[versed nexus]

I was just gonna do it with base controls tbh

[steep galleon]

Yes that's why Apollo gain is optimal on charon

[waxen solar]

My thumb does all the buttons… currently

[opal bay]

I swear u used to need to stand on the cast when it expires to get magik back

[edgy nacelle]

yeah, iirc they also lowered how much magick it restores in exchange, but not enough for it to (usually) matter
just makes it way more versatile, it's a great gain on a LOT of builds now, and charon got more synergy with ranged casts since you no longer need to stay inside the circle for lucid.
fantastic change, that and changing hera rush to affect a bigger AoE like apollo's are my favorite 1.0 changes tbh

[versed nexus]

Yeah yeah that's how it used to be

[steep galleon]

That was before

[opal bay]

Then why u use handle xD that sounds like skill issue

[waxen solar]

?

[steep galleon]

Idk when they changed it, when I played in early EA it was regen while standing in cast, I returned for 1.0 and now it's gain mana when the cast expires

[versed nexus]

I love 1.0 Hera dash, I did a Supay run with it and the damage chefs kiss

[opal bay]

Oh yea i remembered something like 100 on common gain. No wonder i felt strange when i saw 40 last night

[edgy nacelle]

oh whoops wrong reply

[opal bay]

I meant ain’t controller/handle requires u to use at least 4 fingers on both hand for it to work properly

[edgy nacelle]

they changed it in 1.0! it's in the patch notes:

Lucid Gain (Apollo): no longer requires you to stand in your Cast, but now restores less Magick
there we go lol, replied to the right person...

[edgy nacelle]

also with ||jewelled pom + mom skull I started a run with a lv9 epic nexus rush and uh........ it's absurd lol, amazing and very silly boon||

[opal bay]

Dang i used up my lunch break just to yap here. Yapping takes away ur time ig, that’s why mel and ||zag|| could kill chronos just by yapping

[steep galleon]

Wow so very recent

[versed nexus]

Kill him by explaining all the hidden tec XD

[waxen solar]

The fingers use the triggers, the thumb the buttons. Dash is A, Special is Y, so not currently possible to do both at same time. Hence the question should the Dash be reset to a trigger for example.

[versed nexus]

What if you just try sliding your finger from the dash to special button or something?

[opal bay]

I think u should bind it to either R1/2 or L1/2

[waxen solar]

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking.

[opal bay]

It was a really strange default binding of devs when u have dash and attacks button on the same finger

[versed nexus]

0_0

Time to try this rebind too I guess lol

[waxen solar]

Agreed. It could easily have been left trigger since that’s not used. I didn’t realise till now that there was a way to dash mid charge.

[opal bay]

I sometimes rebind the cast button to my mouse wheel just to do an O cast build (yea i dont have a gaming mouse) becoz cast being on Q and moving being on WASD really prevent O cast builds from dodging attacks xD

[versed nexus]

Oh that binding sounds cruel XD I could never play on keyboard tbh, my hands are too tiny XD

[opal bay]

There was always a dash mid channeling. Different weapons/aspects react differently with this action but u can always dash mid channeling

[plain fossil]

This behaviour didnt exist for all of EA

[waxen solar]

I never knew that because I could never do them at the same time. 😂

[plain fossil]

In the early patches if u dashed while channelling axe ospecial it would usually launch in the direction u dashed

[opal bay]

It’s not too bad since most of the time u will just press the cast button once to drop it and do other things (which is worse when u bind it onto ur mouse wheel) -> i jump back and forth in this

[opal bay]

Not in Unseen update iirc, i started then and didn’t see the problem

[plain fossil]

Unseen was pretty recent

Hades 2 was in EA for a while lulw

This would have been patched i reckon around last september or so

[opal bay]

Yup, that i know. I watched many crazy build from earlier EA

[plain fossil]

Tbh its 90% the same builds and 10% old old momus

[signal coral]

hmmm
i did 32 fear with rivals 4 + frenzy 2 on mel blades, almost died and barely won the run
did the same on medea and took 10 damage the entire run
interesting...

[plain fossil]

Some weapons are better than other weapons lulw

Big if true

[opal bay]

Naw there was 0 dmg per hit tank build, and 100% dodge build which i’m pretty confident u can’t get anymore

[signal coral]

okay its slightly cheating because I had snow queen + trusty shield

[split quest]

Can you sell Proper Upbringing and not lose the bonus rarity gained?

[signal coral]

but still the difference in how comfy the runs were was absurd

[split quest]

I know you can sell King's Ransom but not sure about this one

[signal coral]

i dont think you can sell infusions?

you can sell bridal glow though, and keep the upgrade

[split quest]

I could sell it right now

[opal bay]

Sister blades on mel and artemis just sad

[split quest]

That's why I'm asking 😄

[signal coral]

to be fair the mel blade run was underworld and the medea run was surface

and I am much much worse at rivals chronos than I am at rivals typhon

[plain fossil]

Underworld still generally a lot easier tho

[junior trail]

no

i mean the rarity wont be downgraded

[plain fossil]

A4 surface minibosses can eat my nuts

[opal bay]

Ye rival typhon much ezier but surface mobs r harder

[split quest]

Yeah I just tried it

[plain fossil]

Whereas a4 underworld is both easier and skippable

[opal bay]

Oh i killed the twins in 3 sec with my lastest artemis run somehow. That was really crazy

[signal coral]

luckily if your damage is high you can just kill before anything becomes too threatening

[plain fossil]

Thats the medea strat

Bomb bomb bomb dash hope to not die

[signal coral]

i had a lucky god pool as well, hera -> aphro -> demeter -> heph

[opal bay]

Ain’t that any aspect strat lul

[signal coral]

no zeus but double defensive gods

[plain fossil]

Theres several aspects that let u run in circles while dealing damage

Anubis and eos, for two

Circe as well

All of those u dont need to burst things to win

[signal coral]

medea is strong enough that your plan can just be to explode enemies before they can significantly threaten you

[opal bay]

That’s becoz the dps not high enuf so u have to be running around

[plain fossil]

Ur allowed to just not stand in things

[junior trail]

supay

[plain fossil]

Supay too, absolutely

[opal bay]

Supay dps can be really insane with certain build

[plain fossil]

Bro i assure u if medea let me run in circles i would run in circles

Running in circles is op

[opal bay]

But yea u will alway running in circle for supay

[plain fossil]

Momus also ur supposed to run in circles

It just sucks

[opal bay]

Yea but that doesn’t have anything ro do with being high dps and kill things before they become a threat. U can be both at the same time

[plain fossil]

Well not usually, game is balanced so that isnt an option most of the time

[opal bay]

Momus & eos both r my least favorite

[plain fossil]

If i could run in circles and do big dps then why would i play anything else

[opal bay]

For science

[viral yew]

Based

[static badger]

does death warrant work on bosses?

[inland swallow]

Best boons for Aspect of Morrigan? I can’t decide for sure

[edgy nacelle]

@inland swallow we were talking about this earlier actually if you scroll up, this was my comment on it ^^
but someone else gave a more specific recommendation. my take is honestly just "morrigan is good with almost everything and I love it" lol which I realize is somewhat unhelpful

[viral yew]

You could get any random god pool and easily clear 32-40 fear

[signal coral]

definitely true depending on how good you are

[opal bay]

best build for morrigan = git gud lul. O attack -> special -> attack and hold attack button for next O attack -> dash away -> O attack and repeat.
Ez and quick 2x blood triad proc

[signal coral]

the best players could probably push that into the 50s and still win the large majority of their runs

[inland swallow]

Thanks, usually cuz I avoid the weapon in general lol

[opal bay]

also scroll up and u'll see my actual guide on build for this aspect

[plain fossil]

I dont know what im doing with morrigan tbh everything feels so slow

Its just practice im sure

[viral yew]

You have to play it more like axe than blades

[signal coral]

morrigan has some set combos that make the aspect a lot faster

[opal bay]

pretty much, yea

[signal coral]

if you notice stuff can apply multiple stacks sometimes

like you pop blood triad with special as its flying out, when it returns it will add another stack

[plain fossil]

Omega attack does this ofc

Oh, thats cute

[signal coral]

same with omega attack for example

[plain fossil]

What tilts me is how slow the special is

[opal bay]

oh yea that was the principle for my combo to go just up there

[signal coral]

so there are some specific rotations (probably have to ask a person who plays the aspect more) that are designed to abuse that and build stacks quickly

the aspect also really like dash cancel

[plain fossil]

I just need to click buttons with it more

[junior trail]

or just go apollo attack and final slice lol

a bit cheesing but also works

[old flicker]

Nergal was fun and games until I attacked, got stuck on chronos slow field and took a one hit kill to the face lol

[opal bay]

but tbh, the windup time for O attack to start channeling on sister blades are just abysmal. I messed my timing up too much since it just don't start channeling becoz of that when i hold my attack

[signal coral]

i have a simple solution for you

[opal bay]

My main struggle for artemis run, and a really frustrating combo breaker on morrigan

[signal coral]

on non-morrigan simply do not use omega moves

:^)

[opal bay]

it's almost the same for morrigan too, and yea i just wanted to build the aspects to the best of its intended design

[plain fossil]

i think the real problem i have with morrigan is i just spend too long 0iq derping at the combo on single target and end up standing in the fire

[opal bay]

then play normal attack morrigan and forget about the blood triad lul. The aspect has crazy range for a sisterblade so it'll be ez

[hollow stag]

Could Ares be good for Attacking Poseidon Staff with Mirror and Rapid Thrasher because of his Magik boon and Duo with Poseidon?

Could be better than Hestia Magik Gain book

[opal bay]

only if u can get his legendary by getting his special + magik gain + another boon like blood spree/mutual destruction,... first

[static badger]

slow cooker or burning desire?

[opal bay]

not better if u have to run around to collect the blood drop, legendary = it pick them up automatical -> better

[opal bay]

what's burning desire do again, and what's your build

[static badger]

infinite duration scorch while weak and axe

idk yet it was like the 3rd of the run so far

[opal bay]

then slow cooker

Since scorch is not really good for axe

[junior trail]

depends on what boon it applies weak, super good on glamour btw

[static badger]

Rapture ring epic

every run today has been weird

[opal bay]

it'll get better when u have god keepsake lvl up, and access to boon list & requirements

[static badger]

I have most of them 2 or 3

I've had a lot of runs and a lot of deaths lol

[hollow stag]

Who's a good fourth God for Power Washer build? (Mirrored, Rapid Thrasher Poseidon Staff)?

[static badger]

I don't just want to run the surface all day but cronos is a chump

[spare sphinx]

Im not very sure in which channel to ask this, but I'll throw it out here
When a boon says that it improves on Attacks or Specials, does it also improves the Omega?
For example, right now I'm looking at a Chaos boon that says "Afterward your Specials deal +69% damage". Does this also apply to the Omega or only the base special?

[opal bay]

idk what u meant by mirror, and rapid thrasher is a hammer, so it wasn't counted towards "god"

[junior trail]

maybe zeus? static shock, power surge, killer current

[spare sphinx]

My understanding is that it also applies to the Omega but Im not really sure

[opal bay]

yea, defi zues & hestia

[static badger]

here's a question, how much health should I be looking to get

[opal bay]

attacks = attack + Omega attack
specials = the same
casts = the same

-> if it says "attack", Omega attack unaffected

[opal bay]

1k if possible

more hp = higher win chance

[spare sphinx]

Didn't think of the plural XD
Thanks!

[static badger]

1k??

[gloomy reef]

Get like 1k then use antler for typhon

[static badger]

I've never gotten more than 300

those videos are popping up in my feed

next boon wispy wiles wut

[hollow stag]

If Staff has those two hammers and the Gods are currently Poseidon, Zeus, and Ares, who would be the 4th best pick?

[static badger]

born gain or bridal glow

[junior trail]

if not pick grisly, go for hestia

because cardio + mirrored = ooga booga

[static badger]

demeter is slept on tho

[opal bay]

either hestia or aphrodite and look for the + attack power, or just skip 4th god and look for ares legendary/more duo

[hollow stag]

I'm thinking Aphrodite for her Duo with Ares. Hera isn't needed. Too bad Hera's Cast with Rousing Reception doesn't spread Hitch when enemies spawn.

[opal bay]

i said hestia 😂 but yea u can use whatever at your current stage

[tacit crow]

What weapons are ares actually gd at guys?

[viral yew]

Not really any of them

u can make him work but his supporting boons are better than the cores

[split quest]

Just wanted to say I like Cut 😄

[tacit crow]

Okay ty

[opal bay]

His supporting boons are actually core lul

[junior trail]

you can go for cut above with its support duos (coffin nail/cutting edge) on high hit rate o.moves, like torches o.special

also heinous affront duo likes weapon with big aoe to hit many foes at once (again, like torches o.special, trick knives/dancing knives, axe, medea ares on attack/zeus on special is also a good choice)

[short hare]

does gigaros dash make omega ttacks and specials stronger too ?

[junior trail]

it only says Attack and Special so i'd assume no

[short hare]

but boons also say attacks whenthey add damage so... im confused

[edgy nacelle]

attack singular = just regular attack, not omega
attacks plural = both
gigaros dash just says "attack and special," not plural, so it doesn't boost omega moves

[short hare]

oki

[tacit crow]

TYSM

[wise swallow]

Any good ares builds?

[viral yew]

No

[edgy nacelle]

heinous affront is fun 🤷
generally if Ares is on my build it's for support not as the main focus, tho, sadly

[wise swallow]

mfw I finally notice the conversation above

[wintry thicket]

What do you build around for a torch moros build

[viral yew]

Zeus special aphro attack

[wintry thicket]

How does apprho attack work with bladts

Does it count as close to the spirit or you

[wise swallow]

On a first encounter, I wouldve figured Ares main boons would do best on big hard hitting attacks

[lean yoke]

i just had a hilarious win against the final surface boss

who i faced for the first time

[edgy nacelle]

they're just kinda weird
wounds is a +base power bonus on a cooldown, so the ideal use for it would be like.... an attack that you only use once every few seconds, and that also gets a lot of dmg% from other sources to take advantage of the power.
the actual % boost from ares wounds is rather low, so for the hits where you aren't applying wounds it's pretty mid.
his non-core boons are nice tho

[lean yoke]

Sing, O Muse, of how the saffron-clad Princess of the Underworld's battle against ||the Father of All Monsters|| turned from an epic clash to a hilarious comedy.

So I was battling ||Typhon|| for the first time ever and I happened to have the Selene Hex which revives an enemy to act on your side, and I also had the upgrade which leaves it on the battlefield permanently instead of expiring after a set time. Between that and a host of Boons I had that shredded the mostly stationary boss, the end result was ||Typhon kept on hitting himself over and over|| while Melinoe just kept shooting until he died. Midway through I even turned off God Mode cause I was worried I was beating him too quickly, cause I'd heard about other people doing the same and characters reacting like you hadn't beaten him even after you do, but Melinoe failed to die before he did and the last thing I saw before ||ascending to Mount Olympus|| was the resurrected enemy floating in the rain with a heart over its head making happy faces at our shared victory.

also my cat came by and watched me win. i said i couldn't have beaten it without her <3 (i think she was jealous of toula. lol)

[wise swallow]

Seem to be the case. Im just using his profuse bleeding for my zeus storm cast / psychic leash build haha

doesnt seem to work tbh

[edgy nacelle]

I like ares a lot for fun builds tbh, a lot of his duo boons are very fun to build around, there are just more effective builds!
but he definitely works and is usable. kind of a shame that the last god you unlock doesn't have more impact tho

[turbid parrot]

i slept hard on ares, he feels really nice as support tbh

[wise swallow]

shame he isnt apparently a higher tier god, cuz i abused him a ton in the first game

Who is the worst god in hades 2 anyway

[lean yoke]

morally, probably zeus or ares

[viral yew]

I talk so much smack about a god that carried me to 45f, blood spree is ridiculously good

[lean yoke]

mechanically i think they're all good

[edgy nacelle]

possibly ares tbh...? but that isn't saying he's awful, a lot of gods are just really good

[lean yoke]

except dionysus's reckless abandon unless you get lucky

[wise swallow]

Oh wow thats good to hear then

[edgy nacelle]

idk, I like the balance a lot, and if you lean hard into any one god there's fun stuff you can do. especially at lower fear everyone is super viable

[wise swallow]

Ive heard ending spoilers and funny ending aside, this game seems more well balanced than the last

[edgy nacelle]

honestly I think almost every aspect of the game is an improvement, which is wild considering how much I love the first game

[wise swallow]

This is how I feel about silksong

but then again, i was a wittle kid when I played HK so I don't think I could describe issues with the game even if i tried

[edgy nacelle]

same I've been bouncing back and forth between the two of them lol
ik silksong has some haters but for me almost every aspect of it is better, I really liked HK1 but I enjoyed silksong a lot more

[wise swallow]

A lot of the disdain seems to be for reasons of getting filtered by the difficulty, but tbh i breezed through the game & 100% like days after release . Probably the longest i've waited for any game

[edgy nacelle]

weirdly most of the rly passionate hate I see for silksong comes from people who really love hollow knight...?
like. idk, I don't think I'm good at silksong but I enjoyed it a ton, idt being good at it and enjoying it always correlate, weirdly

but idk, both silksong and h2 ended up being some of my all time favorite games, which is impressive for sequels where I loved the original so much and could have been easily disappointed or like... stuck in nostalgia

[wise swallow]

I was extremely locked in

[edgy nacelle]

top 3 bosses? 👀

[wise swallow]

Silksong ||Groal the Great, Lost Lace and Phantom||

[edgy nacelle]

for me ||lost lace, first sinner, clover dancers, roughly in that order|| but I liked a lot of them
also lmao ||a groal lover... I didn't mind groal at all it was fun lol, I did it later than some ppl but second tried it and thought bilewater was pretty enjoyable. great ost also||

[wise swallow]

I would've put your #2 if my #3 didnt exist. Silksong ||Groal unironically was probably the most rewarding defeat in the entire game lol. I take no issues the gauntlets in general, and also am pretty good with Hunter Crest traversal so I pretty much breezed through most runbacks. Groal is simple but difficulty and I think his fight especially highlight just how good of a design choice the diagonal downslash was because it made killing Groal a joke once I realized you could get 8 pogos off in one Groal SUCC||

Truly the dark souls of hollow knight

[edgy nacelle]

||for me groal just kickstarted my love affair with clawline lol, I'd used it in combat some before but in that fight it was just kind of ridiculous. I think some people really don't use it in combat that much... it was also my goat vs lost lace, once I realized how snitch pick works||

[thin osprey]

Hi how does black coat aspect of nyx work also which boons work for it cause its confusing

[wise swallow]

Probably shouldn't talk about this further in this channel, but yeah 100% convinced people underutilize clawline in combat because i sure as hell did (and I abused many of the game's mechanics)

[edgy nacelle]

sprint for a while and you'll charge an omega move that goes off when you run into an enemy
once you've done that, you have a buff for a while which makes your regular attack + special create two weaker copies when they hit an enemy (or after a certain distance)
these copies aren't that strong on their own, BUT they can trigger on-hit effects like splash, scorch, and chain lightning! other stuff like hitch and blitz is of course fine, but I try to lean into on-hit effects with at least one move I spam

so, my recommendation for Nyx is to grab some poseidon and/or hesita boons, and then loop between sprinting to get the buff and then spamming attacks and specials. avoid omega moves other than the unique sprint

[viral yew]

Or just play shiva

[thin osprey]

So start with poseidon keepsake then what other 2 idea?

[edgy nacelle]

idk, aim for the usual poseidon things
pick a duo or two to aim for, he has a lot of good ones for splash builds. his legendary if you can
get origination going with slippery slope + another status curse
you want some magick regen but it doesn't need to be super fast, just enough to fuel your dash
Nyx is a pretty forgiving aspect, I say just start with splash or scorch and see what you get offered

[sullen vault]

if you take poseidon imo its not going to feel super strong if you dont have the legendary, so i always try to go for that. i also want slippery slope at a good level and or rarity

[lean crypt]

does hestia gain also trigger on omega attacks and specials?

[junior trail]

no, cardio only works with base attack and special

[lean crypt]

thanks fellow pondster

[wise swallow]

Got WRECKED by Olympus final boss

[viral yew]

Welcome to hell

[wise swallow]

still havent beaten it once

screw psychic leash, whats your go-to build Shiva Enjoyer?

[viral yew]

Shiva, apollo special, demeter/pos/hestia/hera/aphro attack

You can make alot of builds work

[wise swallow]

What even is shiva 🤔

[clever drum]

Hidden aspect of the Black Coat

[wise swallow]

Oofa. Time to farm in the underworld. Im only on fear 6

[viral yew]

And the best coat aspect

[brittle brook]

Yeah the hidden aspects are all based on death gods from different mythologies i think

[brazen echo]

Eh, close enough for shiva i guess

[edgy nacelle]

iirc it's like. "gods associated with death, darkness, destruction, underworlds" so it's a bit more broad

[rare brook]

To get a formula for hidden aspect, do I need to talk with the person that gives it with the weapon that I want the hidden aspect or it doesn't matter?

[clever drum]

Doesn't matter

[brittle brook]

Also i love how each of the torches aspect relates to the mel and moros romance story
Aspect of mel, mel obviously
Aspect of moros, moros obvi
Aspect of eos, the person moros believes he’s fated to marry

like i just think thats neat

[rare brook]

Good, now I need to spawn often Artemis and Selene somehow

[turbid crescent]

doing a surface run for funsies

Do I try hera and hope for the cast or take hermes?

idk if hermes even has any good boons, all I see is minor buffs

[rare brook]

Dash with blocking attacks per encounter is golden

[turbid crescent]

my other option is heph

I like heph somewhat, im doing zeus attack hestia special rn

[mellow owl]

How many encounters do you have to do in Olympus before reaching the boss (wondering if Experimental Hammer is worth taking)

[edgy nacelle]

idk the exact number, but in both surface and underworld if you take experimental hammer in region 3 it lasts until the end of the run!

[mellow owl]

Oh, it’s at level 1 still
That’s insane though, I’ll probably try taking it more so it gets upgraded

[wise swallow]

How good is experimental hammer anyway

[clever drum]

At level 1 it won't last you, though

You'd need to pick it for the last region only

[edgy nacelle]

very, imo
it can roll a useless hammer upgrade, but rolling a good one is incredible, and even rolling a bad one removes it from the pool so you have better chances of getting a good one when you pick up your next actual daedalus hammer
on a couple weapons it can mess things up if you roll a bad hammer, but that's fairly rare
it's also just so fun, having 3 hammer buffs in 1 run is addictive, I always take it by default unless I rly need something else

[mellow owl]

If Prometheus fires an attack that can only be dodged by standing at the top followed immidiately by one that can only be dodged by standing at the bottom, how the hell do you avoid that?

[edgy nacelle]

double dash (as in once at the start once at the end) + sprint, and sprint speed helps, it's tight but doable even without sprint speed buffs
also you can i-frame those attacks if you time it right, which is always an option
imo it's safer to i-frame the end of the first attack, in a situation like that, rather than try to perfectly time the second one

[clever drum]

It's fun, and even more if you can do 4 hammers in a run with Echo

[clever drum]

You have enough time; it also helps to be at the left side of the arena

[edgy nacelle]

and it makes it more possible to do that! since you can set it up so gift x3 and reward x3 both get you an extra hammer

[turbid parrot]

can u get three/four hammers with that poseidon boon?
assuming youre lucky

[clever drum]

Hammers are excluded

[turbid parrot]

it shows hammers as possible extra reward no?

[clever drum]

It does the exact opposite

[turbid parrot]

rip

[lean yoke]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1o0pkih/have_anothah/

[fleet nova]

hera be like

have a 10% chance to do double damage on tuesdays and when your stove is on

[viral yew]

U mean ares?

[fleet nova]

ares too

[lean crypt]

my favorite boon

[unkempt mural]

does the judgemnt arcana activate 0 cost cards with special condition to activate?

[brittle brook]

Like mother like son

[split igloo]

It activates 3-5 cards at random (based on card level). After you start a run, the zero cost ones aren't activated mid run if you get the encompassing cards, but you can still get those cards at random.

[fallow oracle]

My bad was asking about builds in general.. best weapon in your opinion(s)?

Or easiest to cheese w/

[turbid parrot]

mel staff my beloved

[fallow oracle]

Really don’t wanna turn on god mode 😂

[fallow oracle]

Okay that’s what the majority say, ty

[split igloo]

Anubis with Apollo. So good it feels broken.

[tall notch]

Circe staff plays itself too

[split igloo]

I can only use Circe with the cat. The leash does very little with the moving animals for me.

[tall notch]

It's very good with Raki because they stick to enemies

[split igloo]

I think the best base weapon is the crow cutters. Omega attack -> Special -> Attack. The attack hits twice so the blood triad takes less after.

No boons needed 🙃

[fallow oracle]

Best attack buff for Molly staff.
? N flat dmg normally better than % (besides axe)

That hitch bs goes hard ngl

Srry, y’all already told me Apollo 🔥✌️

[turbid parrot]

Demeter attack and apollo/hera special feel best

[fallow oracle]

The cc from freeze is so nice

Just go Apollo passives then. Speed is one of the best defence layers in this game

[frigid tartan]

Man... I tested rivals one, Underworld was fun, I got hit but all good, but surface WRECKED me lmao.

Also since I was planning on trying the bosses I switched from Strength to Death... Surface boss took 2 of my DDs and tbh was the hardest boss of the run, it was smooth sailing from there. The thing is... I hated running death, I felt I hit like a wet noodle, I'm wondering if I would've died had I been using strength.

[flint widget]

death has more survivability than strength tho

[tardy mural]

what even is medea skull lol how is this in the game

you can nuke anything 100-0 with like any random set of boons?

[flint widget]

it's basically what the beowulf shield was in h1

[tardy mural]

bro and ive been playing artemis blades like some chump when i could be doing this

[turbid crescent]

Idk why I wanna get aphro special on twin blades LOL

ts so dumb

[tardy mural]

aphro special is good on them your attack range is like so low, youre always gonna get the close up dmg

worst part is you dont automatically get a debuff on your attack

man and i thought i was so cool for parrying chronos 1shots with blades when i could just be loading up 4 skulls and skipping the phase entirely

[turbid crescent]

I think zeus special should be better

I can choose from either

[tardy mural]

well idk how you play them, if youre attacking/omega attacking i think juicing up attack with aphro is the way to go, or apollo for the big attack range

aphro + 400% omega attack = a lot of dmg you can spam and tp around the map

[turbid crescent]

True

Dang I can get either zeus special or cast

tought choice for me ngl

[sacred storm]

special gets you blitz for origination

[tardy mural]

ye i would special if you have origination

[lean crypt]

And if you don't have origination, I would get origination ;P

[frigid tartan]

Yeah, specially when you take into account you can refill DDs, but still the run felt so bad. And I believe the survivability is almost equal as long as there's healing still allowed (no scars 3), I end up having lots of health and it hardly ever ticks down in strength runs

[turbid crescent]

I dont use origination

[frigid tartan]

I guess I'm gonna keep using death while I learn the fights, but boy do the runs feel sad without that extra damage

[rugged moon]

Strength sadly isnt wven that much of a a damage increase anymore. Its nice cause its global but for like basic attack and such its just overwhelmed by far bigger %

its also essential only the equivalent of a single dd by default now in hp

[turbid crescent]

I need demeter caste

I'm getting cooked

or any good caste tbf

[lean yoke]

someone else had the same thing happen

"I had a run where I had that and the Duo boon that also revives an enemy so I had two extremely beefy enemies wailing on the boss for a very short time before it died pathetically."

'stop hitting yourself' applies to typhon lol

[flint widget]

also quick tip: if ur planning to go for fear pbs and potentially high fear, death is gonna be ur goat

strength is just not worth it on high fear

unless ur doing judgment runs

unless ur a god at not getting hit take death

[turbid crescent]

Got a hammer but not the buff I wanted

sad

[twin locust]

Oh I didn't realize discordant bell lasted the entire run lol, that's why i was getting hit so hard

[frigid tartan]

I'm just on fear 4 right now, soon I'll have to do first 8 fear run (Using testament requirements for progression) . Before this someone recommended to switch to strength and I've seen many people recommending the same, as with healing, the hp net total is very similar to death, and I managed to get multiple run wins like that at low fear.

I don't think I'll ever do scars 3, I don't really care for highest possible fear, I will probably do what's asked from the game and that's it

I just managed to beat underworld rivals 2 boss, this was hectic and hard lmao. I lost one DD on first rivals and 2 DDs on 2nd rivals, after that walk in the park. These rivals bosses are a real step up

[flint widget]

wait until you see the other rivals bosses

[brazen wasp]

are all hidden aspects convo roulette

Do I have to do multiple runs

[glass bone]

Do you mean they are convoluted / complicated?

Oh. Now I get it

Yes, I believe so.

That hidden aspect dialogue should be of a higher priority than standard repeated dialogue, but I don’t think they are the highest priority for an average player.

[brazen wasp]

cuz i got all the prereqs but circe did not give me the dialogue

[glass bone]

I’d say do repeated runs.

[rugged moon]

Also obv admittedly i just had a hillarious non-death run at 32. I took athena into one for the arachne story so i decided on strength, got the reusable dd and then never used it until chronos and only because i made a mistske so i got neither strength nor death.

[turbid crescent]

I got aphro special + aphro, hermes and heph to choose from for surface, which attack is better

[lime flax]

Guys, im having a problem where in all my runs i end up finding zeus and making all my runs into blitz and lighting lance cast builds, and its quite annoying because im not appreciating the last of veriety. Any tips on like gods or boons that are just as strong that i can choose to not relapse back to blitz spam?

[rugged moon]

Funny part is i was the original strength advocater for high fear pre nerf ea. but now i dont really use it

[rugged moon]

I mean all of them can be. Blitz overall isnt even really the strongest imo just good.

[glass bone]

For what weapon?

[turbid crescent]

twin blades

[brazen wasp]

also i dont get momus, it feels way too static for surface bosses

[lime flax]

who is the strongest, other than apollo, i use him and hera too much as well.

[tacit laurel]

I’m a big fan of normal build 4 lightning strikes with attacks

[turbid crescent]

Hows apollo good

[rugged moon]

Hera or hestia is arguably the strongest. Based on weapon

[turbid crescent]

I never get him

[rugged moon]

Apollo has really high percentage

[lime flax]

Bro lucid gain is cracked.

[rugged moon]

Lucid gain also just straight up the best gain

[turbid crescent]

hestia is good tho

[tacit laurel]

Lucid gain my beloved

[turbid crescent]

I like hestia special on blades, im weird idk

[glass bone]

Hmm… If you have ||Jeweled Pom||, Heph can be better cause of immediately building into the blasts. If not… Heph needs a lost of Poms for a peak, while Aphro Attack is immediate with or without ||Pom||.

[signal coral]

Honestly 1.0 keepsakes have made heph feel a lot better for me

[turbid crescent]

I have aphro on speical tho, shouldnt be a problem I hope?

[tacit laurel]

1 sec Blast is so silly

[rugged moon]

Try a hestia/dem run get massive stacks. Burn it all to dems. Duo

[signal coral]

He was always a broken defensive god but now his blasts are actually reasonable instead of being too high effort

[lime flax]

i have been trying hestia quite a bit, its just that my builds end up becoming very similar to zeus. Get fireball, scorch cast and burn everything with it.

[rugged moon]

Also in general i actully suggest jeweled pom. It is not the strongest build but it forces variety nicely imo

[glass bone]

A little… It’s best to have 2 curses be constantly applicable, but Aphro and Heph don’t innately get a curse for Attack / Special. Instead, you need a specific boon to get Glow from Heph, and Cast / Rush / Gain for Aphro.

[lime flax]

ive not tried that. imma check that out.

[rugged moon]

Just… not using god boons and rerolls has made my builds more diverse

[flint widget]

think of momus as like engineer from tf2, ur basically setting up ur weapons to auto fire for u

[turbid crescent]

ill try my luck then ig

[lime flax]

i aint that good at the game yet.

[rugged moon]

Otherwise i end up on zues/aphro/hestia/apollo <.< >.>

[flint widget]

but its still the weakest staff

[lime flax]

i love circe and mel.

[flint widget]

can confirm

[lime flax]

mel special spam goes hard.

[tacit laurel]

I always end in aphro hell

[lime flax]

like its slept on

[brazen wasp]

weaker than circe, how do i build circe?

[wispy iron]

Hephaestus really went to my second least favorite god to maybe my favorite with the fates' whim keepsake, his boons scale so much with the poms and additionnal rarities

[flint widget]

mel staff dual moonshot with any % special is broken

[glass bone]

Trust me when I say, neither Circe or Mel Staff are slept on.

[rugged moon]

Wispy + Hasty + Hot Pot + Gale = Cant Touch this

[glass bone]

Mel and Circe Staff in high fear are regarded as contenders for the best aspect in the game

[wispy iron]

Zeus Cast or Hestia Cast I'd say.

[lime flax]

thing is with aphro, the falloff when you are far away is like there. so i dont like it as much cus i usually play from a distance.

[flint widget]

either go for zeus or hestia cast, try to look for pyro technique or kings ransom depending on the cast boon

[glass bone]

The absolute peak is Medea if you have the skill, but due to safety, Mel and Circe staff can feel stronger.

[rugged moon]

oh i mostly use aphro for the gain and wispy rarely on attack/special

[lime flax]

dayum, my intuition was right then.

[glass bone]

This. But also you don’t need King’s Ransom, and can instead go for Double Strike as a T2.

[brazen wasp]

which fam tho

[tacit laurel]

Can someone explain why I wanna use the sister blades special I always found I just get more dps from attacks🥲

[flint widget]

true but kings ransom makes things a lot more easier to kill

[glass bone]

Sister Blades special is a poking tool. It’s when you can’t be up and personal.

[flint widget]

rephrase

[rugged moon]

Oh i should post run i just did with mel staff because its hilarious

[lime flax]

is it just me or is kings ransom like bad. cus if i chosoe it i dont have origination on and my like sprint and born gain are gone.

[wispy iron]

Raki's the main contender. I use Toula for maximum coverage tho

[tacit laurel]

Oh so not damage the hold special?

[glass bone]

At higher fears… it’s not great to rely on it imo.

[brazen wasp]

which familiar should i take

[flint widget]

toula 100%

circe with toula is goated

[tacit laurel]

THE cat is goated unless you are trying to fish

[brazen wasp]

she sleeps a lot even fully upgraded i think

[lime flax]

even at low fear, it seems like a bad idea to give up boons that make your build.

[glass bone]

There’s 3 reasons to use OSpecial on Sister Blades.

1. Pan.
2. Huntress value (OSpecial is faster to charge and fire than OAttack)
3. Morrigan I guess if you want Night value.

[flint widget]

uhuh so just sprint to her while shes asleep

[glass bone]

I’ve cleared Mel Blades 62 UW about 6 times now, and I have barely used OAttack and OSpecial, at all

[wispy iron]

It's 10 strikes between two naps when fully upgraded, should be sufficient for an encounter if you don't have hordes, with hordes it's maybe 2 to 3 cycles

[tacit laurel]

I still have to do a run with morrigan

[lime flax]

thats cus both are sorta mid on mel right. like youd use Oatk and Ospec with Pan and arti.

[glass bone]

OSpecial is just actually bad to use on Mel Blades, but OAttack can be built around since it is the second highest base power. Problem is, Huntress, and ||Gigaros Dash||, and high gear limiting boon amounts, makes the magickless Mel Blades more reliable.

[tacit laurel]

I just slap aphro on Mel blades and it normally works out

[lime flax]

makes sense, even i dont like magick heavy builds on mel dag. thats why i use pan more.

[lime flax]

thing is, what do i build towards with that, like the boons that come after arent allat great. Or maybe im seeing things wrong

[tacit laurel]

Honestly Zeus 4 strike blitz ares on the special

[lime flax]

Ik that

[tacit laurel]

We love double damage % or whatever it is idk if this is good btw just what I use

[fallen moon]

is there a list of best boons for each aspect?

[lime flax]

I use that all the time

[tacit laurel]

That should be enough at that point I’m just chunking the heath bar

[lime flax]

thats the issue , i tend to lack variety in my runs

[glass bone]

There is a 32 Fear guide for all weapons by leeramsynder, and several guides on Mobalytics. But as to every single standardized challenge (including Any% “Rival%”, 50 Fear, 62, etc.), no, not really.

[tacit laurel]

If y have calling card I just put in in the luck of the cards

Gambling

I also switch weapons every run now tho for gems

[lime flax]

but i want to like choose another fun build yknow

[tacit laurel]

I need this where is?

[fallen moon]

@glass bone oh thats awesome where is it?

[tacit laurel]

Have you done Poseidon ares

[glass bone]

Here

[lime flax]

no not yet lemme do that

[tacit laurel]

Also funniest one is all hera and then get zues duo which gives +lv to each zeus boon for each hera you sell

[lime flax]

you get to choose the boon you sell?

thats fire

[tacit laurel]

No all hera boons go

[lime flax]

then what hera boon do i pick cus like i ususally want to keep like born gain or the hitch sprint.

[glass bone]

I think Proper Upbringing and Bridal Glow count, and those effects are permanent even if sold.

[tacit laurel]

I would try to put Zeus on attack and go for other things with hera

[lime flax]

oh... i was gonna do that but got scared my heroic zeus atk would go back to common

[lime flax]

makes sense.

[compact magnet]

Zeus Flourish + boon that immediately triggers Blitz on hits + Sister Blades Hammer that makes Flourish shots all fire straight ahead:
Blitz-triggering boon still needs to wait for the entire Blitz finisher animation to complete:

I thought I was about to go nuclear with my DPS in Zone 1 lol

[brazen wasp]

for hidden aspects all i need is all aspects of that weapon unlocked and anz aspect at V right

do i need to be carrzing the fullz upgraded aspect when talking to them

[flint widget]

no i dont think so

i think u can also use a different weapon

[paper tapir]

is aspect of circe just mid or is there a daedalus that makes it not?

[sullen vault]

how do yall make the skulls (mel and persephone) feel powerful without possessed array?

[flint widget]

wdym circe is mid

[sullen vault]

circe is really powerful dude. its like A or S tier

[polar prawn]

Circe is REALLY good -- throw Storm Ring (Zeus) and use Raki/Toula for free wins

[flint widget]

alternative is to go for hestia cast and find pyro technique

[paper tapir]

is it really just because of double cast tho?

[sullen vault]

just get winners circle storm ring boom you win. on top of that you can stack cast and omega cast effects

[sullen vault]

yes.

it is literally doubling your cast damage

[flint widget]

psychic leash is also a nice damage dealer for early game

[polar prawn]

I never get pyro technique, it's baffling how often it eludes me

[paper tapir]

understandable, i've been shortsighted

[polar prawn]

old winners circle + anvil ring on Circe... 🤤

[paper tapir]

whenever i go if* its about casts, i just tunnel vision to charon lmao.. its just too good

[flint widget]

huh, for me the boon that eludes me the most is that one aphro boon that heals u to full when ur at a specific health range, that boon dodges me more than echos evade x3

[polar prawn]

Haha yeah Charon is great

[polar prawn]

I hunt for Grievous Blow and regret taking Ares every time

[brazen wasp]

what other gods supplement storm ring on circe

[flint widget]

only reason i take ares is either for griev blow or heinous affront for speedruns

[polar prawn]

More Zeus (Double Strike, Lightning Lance), Hestia (cast fireball I forget the name), Poseidon Geyser Spout for Omegas, off the top of my head

Demeter's always nice for Snow Queen and gusts on casts

[flint widget]

glowing coal

local climate

prom flare

meat grinder

heck, even drunken stupor

[brazen wasp]

i got 2 heph doors, do i roll them?

[polar prawn]

Honestly I never skip Heph but depends on what you've got already

[humble kettle]

what's a good special boon for Aspect of Chiron?

[brazen wasp]

I onlz got zeus for now, the other doors are hera, poseidon, and another zeus

[flint widget]

chiron?

[humble kettle]

Charon oops

[flint widget]

apollo

aim for his legendary

[humble kettle]

do i prioritize special or Lucid Gain?

[flint widget]

both

[humble kettle]

just got both at once

[flint widget]

lucid gain

get the spesh later

charon is also technically a omega cast weapon so also aim for getting omega cast boons

most important one is geyser spout from poseidon

[glass bone]

Good news for you; I have a Mobalytics guide on Charon that covers strategies that work from 0-50 Fear

What Checkmate said is 100% true, but some other bits are located there if you want to delve deeper.

[civic ocean]

Why stop at 50

[glass bone]

Well at the time, the highest I cleared was 52, and strategies differ drastically now at 62.

The arcana llzergel used is wildly different than what one would want to use at 50 and below. And also at 50 and below, you can avoid the pain points of Wards + Hordes (together) and Forfeit

Currently have two other guides in the works (Nyx and Mel Blades), and those feel more transferable from 0-62.

[uneven palm]

also uh 50+ you’re writing a guide for 20 people

There are dozens of us! Dozens!

[glass bone]

I mean I do want to have a guide specifically for 50+ though (that is the Mel Blades one)

I’d want to help draw in new people to the challenge, because it is fun

[dire shell]

Which is better to upgrade, Artemis or Pan? Neither really speaks to me, though the Sister Blades themselves are great

[glass bone]

I feel like I vibe with Artemis more. But either or can be good

[hallow cobalt]

whats a good boon-path for Thanaxe? been trying to flux/hitch-max with varying results

[signal coral]

Any % attack boon

I like finding demeter at some point as well for defense and bonus omega attack damage

[uneven palm]

Yeah weed killer. Apollo’s legendary is fun to chase there

[hallow cobalt]

is it omega-troll to take the "combo is now final strike x2" hammer upgrade?

its like +300 base damage but the combo is just the final swing or whatever

[sterile gull]

with apollo that thing is a beast

[glass bone]

On Mel Axe, Charon, and Nergal, 100%. But for Thanatos, I guess it could work? Still feels like a meme though

[near estuary]

anyone had the same problem that after 32 fear run you didnt get the third statue for nights champion ?

[sterile gull]

did you do both surface and underworld?

[hallow cobalt]

yes, i recently beat underworld for the first time, grinding out first surface run now

[livid tartan]

sigh, as much as i want it to, aspect of charon and I just don't get along

[hallow cobalt]

im surprised there isnt a bow in this game

[lean crypt]

is supay actually good or a meme?

[livid tartan]

it's good

just different

[glass bone]

It’s good, but can be annoying to use at really high fears (beyond 50)

[lean crypt]

canonically mel sucks at using them
(also all the weapons in hades 2 are actual witch-style weapons that fit her character)

[sterile gull]

tied with moros as my fave torch

[hallow cobalt]

[north wedge]

Any idea for arcana build after beating story? Someone told me that strenght arcana without death is better than strengh + death

[sterile gull]

I always go one or the other, both at the same time you're taking too much grasp for not enough bonus

[livid tartan]

i prefer strength without death

frees up grasp

[signal coral]

My favorite witch style weapon: giant battleaxe

[hallow cobalt]

[livid tartan]

lately i run fates whim setups because the post-game keepsakes are just way too fun to play

[lean crypt]

what's the best dash boon then for supay? hera is really good without it but you can't do much against bosses

[hallow cobalt]

is there missing archana mechanics that i havent unlocked yet

[livid tartan]

Probably Zeus or Poseidon

Hestia's isn't bad either

[lean yoke]

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hades+2+boonless&sp=CAI%253D whoa

[sterile gull]

zeus rush in my experience is the best, poseidon is close but it's a little annoying to sprint and stop all the time

[tulip pier]

which setup for charon? i cant really tell which oned be better 🤔
https://imgur.com/a/hNhFz51

[sterile gull]

i like putting zeus special + attack curse (hestia or hera) for origination

[sterile gull]

furies over huntress imo, you won't be doing a lot of regular attack and special for it to be worth it

[livid tartan]

Sometimes I miss when Deme could proc origination by herself lol

[ripe wadi]

Hey I'm kinda struggling to figure out what's the best attack boon for umbral torches

Is it hestia, Zeus, or Poseidon?

I lean towards hestia, I'm just spamming attacks pretty much

[tall notch]

The coat feels the most witchy

[glass bone]

Depends. Which torch?

Actually, I’ll just list it out here

Mel Torches wants Ocean Swell + Fine Line (so Hera Attack) OR Hera or Hestia Special spam.
Moros Torches is Hera Attack, Zeus Special
Eos Torches is Zeus / Hera Attack, Hestia Special.
And Supay is Heat Rush / Breaker Rush, along with Hitch on Attack or Special.

So you are on the right track of Zeus, Hera, and Hestia as gods for torches.

[ripe wadi]

Using.mel aspect right now

Sadly don't have hera yet -_-

Thank you btw! I'll note this down

[vale shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1391754174026223728/1425523626328723538/image.png?ex=68e7e5d5&is=68e69455&hm=5392a2cb881bcddf25da29d5e553eb99aea6dcf8c95dc79b6f416cdd080bbf67&

[flint widget]

just dont get hit for the next 3 encounters

iirc u cant die from chaos curse

[vale shard]

rival hecate was one of them (i died)

[brazen wasp]

do i need every single aspect of every weapon before any hidden pops up

im just not getting them

[vale shard]

yes

wait no, you need all of the ones you wanna iirc

[hollow stag]

How is Ares on base Mel Knives with Poseidon Attack boon?

[tulip pier]

you need to have unlocked all aspects and upgraded to max one non-mel aspect to get the hidden for that weapon

[vale shard]

ah

[frigid quarry]

I’ve actually also been having trouble with this so this is really helpful. Thank you!

[brazen wasp]

are u sure its non mel

[tulip pier]

yes they changed it after EA

[brazen wasp]

whats the fastest way to get nmare

[tulip pier]

testament runs and hoard the tickets you get from charon until you can exchange them for nightmare. higher testament you get 2-3 per

[brazen wasp]

i havent gotten a single to drop idek where to look

broker doesnt sell em?

[tulip pier]

he does but it costs like 1250 bones

[brazen wasp]

how do i get the first one tho

[tulip pier]

you have to kill the 4th boss to unlock testament, and you will have to kill all bosses with all weapons on different fear

[brazen wasp]

underworld or surface

cuz underworld didnt drop one

[tulip pier]

i dont actually know, i killed chronos before i unlocked surface

do oyu have like a big purple totem near the uw/surface entrance?

[brazen wasp]

so theres no other way cept darkness?

[tulip pier]

wdym? darkness is a completely different resource.

[brazen wasp]

adds fear, thats what i meant

[tulip pier]

then yes, check out the testament and what bosses it wants you to kill

[shy moat]

...why do seeking attacks always seem to chase a corner enemy on the map instead of whoever is in front of you? >.>

Hades' cast boon and the aspect of Hel special are both veering hard to avoid having to impact the target I want

[tulip pier]

up to 20fear is pretty much free once you fully unlock arcana and 1 weapon

[tulip pier]

your right stick might be drifting

[shy moat]

...I'm not even using the right stick

...that shouldn't be bound to do anything with those when it's the same thumb as the key is bound to by default 😮

anyway

It casts in the proper direction.

Then it veers.

[tulip pier]

are you playing on a controller or kbm

[shy moat]

controller

[tulip pier]

then google what is stick drift

[shy moat]

...dude

I know what stick drift is.

It casts in the proper direction then veers, are you claiming the right stick controls homing attacks?

[tulip pier]

then why are you saying its not it if you autoaim in one direction without any action on your end

ah, i missed the part when it veers after shooting it already

[fierce current]

Is there anything extra specific I need to do to unlock the hidden coat aspect? Atm my Selene relationship is locked and says I need to prove myself with her coat aspect, but I already killed chronos with it, I guess I need to cycle through a bunch more dialogues?

[signal coral]

Seeking missiles are just really bad in this game

It is what it is

[shy moat]

I just want them to prioritize forward lol

It's weird it was so much better in 1, why did they update the behavior to be worse

[tulip pier]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

[safe magnet]

yeah they be going everywhere but the target

[shy moat]

glad it's not just me

[fierce current]

ah ok thanks

guess we pump some fear in to selene

[safe magnet]

it's because they need to upsell the hammer that makes them work correctly (80% faster buff)

[fierce current]

heh too true

[safe magnet]

i just was running selene and got wombo combo'd by chronos doing the slow down move into one of his instakills

[hollow stag]

For Fast Attacking weapons that relies on Ares' Plasma, is it better to first Pom his Grisly Gain, or Visceral Impact (twice plasma at 35% chance when foe is slain)?

[shy moat]

pity the hammer doesn't work on Hades' boon

[fierce current]

do the "you deal x% more damage" things (from arcana or chaos or elsewhere) include stuff like burning or blitz or splash or whatever? Or is it strictly my direct strike damage?

[sick tide]

For Poseidon-focused Anubis, is the goal to get the Poseidon attack, static shock, and their duo?

[cerulean panther]

The bonus will usually specify, if it doesn't then it's probably universal.

You'll see "Attack" or "Specials" or "strikes" or "Olympian damage" and if it doesn't specify like that then bet on universal.

[sour cape]

Ive heard Hestia Cast supposed to be really good but idk it just feels worse than Zeus or Demeter 😭

[cerulean panther]

The Huntress names "Attack" and "Special" so you know it only buffs those two moves while The Furies just says "You deal +x% damage to foes in your Casts," so it's universal.

[shy moat]

I think the question is if things like Blitz or Burn amounts applied count as damage or not, or if they're always just flat amounts

[fierce current]

ok thanks, I was just a little... suspicious? I guess that maybe proc damage wasn't "my" damage as it were.

also kinda wish it wasn't because I feel very locked in to certain cards

[sour cape]

Yea Huntress isnt as good as it looks

[fierce current]

like... initially the arcana seemed very flexible but in practice I feel like because of the requirements for certain cards I need to take certain other ones etc.

[sour cape]

Yea usually the choice is between Strength or Death I find 🤔 🤔

Or Lovers and more rerolls

[fierce current]

bottom corner unless doing fates whim, always need one of the columns, and yeah always strength or death

[shy moat]

it would be better if Supergiant hadn't selected "Attack" and "Special" as keywords to explicitly mean basic attack/special only

[fierce current]

by then not many points left

origination kinda mandatory then since it's universal, and furies

[sour cape]

Yea Origination and Furies pretty always

[shy moat]

origination can be overrated depending on your setup, I often don't get 2 curses on things

and if you're already boosting heavy attacks/specials damage as your focus origination does much less for you

[sour cape]

It does cost a lot now thats true

[fierce current]

yeah the cost is steep

[shy moat]

but some builds it's amazing for

[fierce current]

I was trying to find room for excellence because I've been fishing for one last legendary to finish the prophecy for a while

but again, spensive

[shy moat]

I think I got a 3k Heph proc on attack one time from all the damage boosts + crit triggering

[fierce current]

I need to try and do a proper heph run some time

[sour cape]

Crits are nice

Circe feels really good for casting, not sure if I like it more than Charon but double cast

[shy moat]

as long as my build doesn't hate alternating omegas I do love Night

It's effectively 30% increased damage on omegas that multiplies with all boosts

[safe magnet]

i'm a night enjoyer as well. love some crit chance (artemis OP)

[brazen wasp]

is eos still the worst torch

[safe magnet]

i just cleared underground 32 heat super easy with Eos

[tall notch]

No, Eos is great

[blissful niche]

yo, any1 knows what the name is of the boon that lets your cast stay on YOU even while moving?

or name of the god

[safe magnet]

it's the demeter ares duo

[glass bone]

Hostile Environment

[blissful niche]

ooh its a duo :D thanks!

ew ares

[cerulean mortar]

Are y'all using your six arcana presets? What are you using them for?

I can think of a handful of different presets I want, but not six, you know?

[tacit crow]

Is there a batman build guys 😈

[safe magnet]

nah i'm kinda locked in to my favorites. maybe toggle one or two every once in a while depending on aspect

[frank cape]

Chronos watch is so silly like im getting 1.3k gold from one boon 😭

[cerulean panther]

I keep the second preset empty so I can swap to it for Vow of Void when I want to really reset the seed.

[shy moat]

you must have a bunch of chaos +gold too

[lyric summit]

Stupid question, but does Vampiric Cataclysm still bypass Vow of Scars? 🤔

[cerulean panther]

Well, not even clicking Vow of Void since it's redundant with turning all Arcana off.

[frank cape]

yes but still

[cerulean panther]

Unless you want the 67 run.

[hollow stag]

If I have Aphrodite Cast, do I need her Dash too? Let's say for Mel knives (auto attack Poseidon Attack boon).

[lean crypt]

67????

[lean crypt]

nah, get another curse on ur dash for origination

[hollow stag]

How about Non curse cast (Zeus), and Aphrodite dash? Would that be better

[cerulean panther]

Turning on Vow of Void requires you to disable your Arcana anyway, unlike in H1 where it turned them off from the bottom up.

[sacred storm]

aphrodite dash is kind of mid imo. the damage is whatever and weak only lasts 1s so it's only "better than nothing" for origination.

[brazen wasp]

does apollo legendary spawn 2 eos blobs

[hollow stag]

So cast would be better for Aphrodite

[cerulean panther]

Does Moonbeam disable Fate's Whim?

[sour cape]

Aphro gain is best way for weak imo

The cast is ok but most casts feel better

But if your weapon doesnt use cast much then sure

Dem I think is my fav support cast

[stable herald]

Nope

[signal coral]

Every weapon uses cast much

I press the button on cooldown out of habit

[lime spire]

true, thats why ranged cast feels sooooooo good, having hestia ball or zeus just to get it is such a saver

[signal coral]

I hate ranged cast

It makes a move with 0 lag have lag and that interrupts my flow a lot

[lime spire]

never noticed any lag with it

[junior dome]

the way you can glide while omega attacking with the marracas 🤌 , and how bad it feels if you accidentally pick up a ranged cast 😖

[junior dome]

i think they meant having to stop to aim the cast, not actual lag

[shy moat]

the glide feels so weird to me, but ranged cast definitely interrupts my flow when I'm not ready for it

[lime spire]

but you acutally just dont, you can still only click it

theres no need to aim it, it will just go to your mouse

[shy moat]

I'm not using m+kb

[lime spire]

ohhh yeah ok

[shy moat]

and somehow they got the autoselection for ranged cast worse than Hades 1, which is ... impressive

[junior dome]

doesn't it still interrupt your inputs for a second

im also on wasd mouse

[lime spire]

maybe but i never noticed it, not like it cucked me once (i would remember XD)

[shy moat]

it just breaks flow

and if you try to omega cast you stop dead

[stable herald]

I use the Messenger arcana so I can dodge with my casts, ranged cast boons totally throw that off

[signal coral]

There's lag even if you tap the button

[vernal oar]

Hey!!!! I've put 120 Hours in the game and got a question with what weapon/build works best with Hestia as primary boon!
I just can't seem to feel that Hestia as DPS is all that great, could I be wrong? Any tips would be really welcome! <3

[stable herald]

You want a weapon with fast/multi-hit moves like the blades attack, or coat dash-strike or specials to apply a big amount of scorch fast

Scorch ticks down at a set rate though and caps at 999, so you want to grab Pyro Technique to make it tick faster, or the Freezer Burn duo boon to detonate all your stacked scorch at once by applying Freeze. the Burning Desire duo boon is also really good, especially with Pyro Technique

[vernal oar]

Thank you, I will give it another try and make sure I get Pyro Technique!

[pulsar olive]

I wanted to ask about the wheapons hidden aspects what criteria do i need to complete to be able to get them?

[stable herald]

unlock the other two aspects, and fully upgrade one of the non-Melinoe aspects, then an NPC will give you a waking phrase. You'll figure out the pattern for which NPCs give you waking-phrases

[pulsar olive]

Damn i thought it was enough to upgrade the melinoe versions

[stable herald]

it used to be, they changed it in 1.0. I didn't know either lol

[meager wadi]

is frenzy just move speed or also enemies atk speed?

[toxic marsh]

what do you think “aiming” means in terms of using a mouse lol

[signal coral]

Everything is faster

Their spawn animations are sped up, movement is sped up, attack animations are sped up

Even the phase transition animations for bosses are faster

[meager wadi]

oh man didnt know that

what are the easiest fears to do then?

have done maxed out timer but havent done anything else till now

[glass bone]

Denial, Menace, Hubris, and Timer I’d say are some easy fears to get used to.

[stable herald]

Denial isn't easy imo but it's the first "hard" fear I'd take. Really forces you to think more carefully about your boons and not be greedy. Also hella more dangerous if you're doing Fates' Whim

[glass bone]

I mean at the same time, the boons you do get are superpowered.

[lime spire]

rofl, it means that you hold it and aim it tha way, like you would on a controller ma g

[glass bone]

And the reroll system is something you can get used to if you don’t want to do Fates Whim

[gusty latch]

Absolutely cannot stand the rivals in higher heat

(which I accidentally posted in H1)

[stable herald]

True true. Denial is definitely worth learning how to play if you wanna push Fear, it's just not as free as some others

[glass bone]

also to be fair, I am high-fear pilled, as some may say

The 62s have rotted my brain /j

[stable herald]

And bricking your build by being forced to take a sacrifice boon is a high-Fear rite of passage

[glass bone]

100%. Happened to me at-least once (Lucid Gain -> Flood Gain on Charon)

[gusty latch]

That I actually mind less then some of the rivals fights

Polyphemus and Madea is maddening to me with the amount of random nonsense on the ground

[glass bone]

How far into Rivals have you gotten into?

[bronze flax]

It turns out that when you add Romantic Spark and Thermal Dynamics to any build, it ends being kinda broken, who could have predicted this?

[torn plinth]

I havent touched it since it broke my build lol

Ill start activating again when i really need it

[lapis lantern]

I honestly think getting used to fenzy asap is a really good idea

[torn plinth]

I wish u could atleast cancel outta the boon screen

[torn plinth]

Yeah i been running frenzy n time

And when frenzy is off I feel like Rock Lee taking his leg weights off lol

[lapis lantern]

Yeah same. I found y
Time 3 uw I kind of need a skip or 2 to make zone 1. Not sure f that is normal or me being slow at rooms

[glass bone]

I think that’s the expectation for Erebus, since there’s a lot of 3 waves.

Once you get to higher fears beyond 32, you’re basically required to get 2 or more skips, and even then you could time out to Rival Hecate at Grit 3.

[lapis lantern]

In finding fangs 2 to add the most difficulty ATM for me

[torn plinth]

The enemy buffs seem the toughest

[lapis lantern]

Fangs 1 is ok but 2 really kicks my arse , I dislike denial and debt so I add fangs and pain 1 instead but I think I just need to get used to denial etc

[torn plinth]

Ye im in the exact same boat

[digital juniper]

Fangs has some nasty combos. its either nightmarish waves or you barely notice that its on

[lapis lantern]

I do like fear 24 for fun or so and I'm confdtable with it. But struggling with 32 surface did 32 uw with a circie build in 17 min

But circie really lets me concentrate on movement etc so it feels kinda ez?

[torn plinth]

I barely attack with circe tbh i just dodge around n spam omega cast

[lapis lantern]

Yeah I like to take special Hera tho for added silliness

[torn plinth]

I feel like aspect of medea really helped me with learning openings etc

[digital juniper]

Circe is known to be one of the safest and strong weapons for pushing fear\

[torn plinth]

Yeah same ,and the hammer with the special bouncing goes great with hera

[lapis lantern]

I'm not a huge fan of it tbh I've played it a few times medea that is, and it's dmg is ridiculous but I'm not super sold on it

[digital juniper]

Medea is high risk high reward. Personally, it's my favourite aspect

[signal coral]

I dont have issues making timer in erebus, but I dont play with grit or hordes on. On very high fear it becomes more of an issue for sure

[digital juniper]

It's defintely a very different playstyle

[signal coral]

But I dont think that you need to take the vows that make timer start to become terrible until like 50+?

[rugged moon]

Timer 3 is basicly free until you start adding grit/hordes/etc

[torn plinth]

Its the only skull I like, idk the others aren’t near as good

[lapis lantern]

Yeah I need to get used to denial and debt iso I can maybe ditch a horde lvl or so

[signal coral]

What fear are you playing at?

[digital juniper]

yeah if you're planning on going higher on fear, the "build restricting" vows are the ones you want to get used to first. Hubris, Denial, Debt

[lapis lantern]

I love nyx but I kinda need to be really on the ball to play it. 25-8 for just playing and I'm working on 32 surface , do e 32 uw

[signal coral]

Imo at 32 or less fear there is no reason to take hordes or grit

Those vows feel horrible to me and turn timer 3 from free fear into something that can actually be scary

[rare grove]

I had a Hephaestus vs Aphrodite trial and Hephaestus more or less “yeah fair enough” when I picked aphro and now I wanna do a build focused on him. Ideas welcome

[signal coral]

If you want him to be your primary source of damage you need lots of poms

The new postgame keepsakes are good for this

[split igloo]

i love timer it is in fact free fear

[digital juniper]

you can make it work on almost any weapon

You want to target a high rarity heph attack and/or special, and then pom it enough to get the cooldown down to 2 seconds. You ideally also want the heph duos with (in order of importance) Hestia, Poseidon and Apollo

Demeter Duo is also good here

[rare grove]

for science

[lapis lantern]

Is heph special alright with circie ?

[sour cape]

Frenzy feels like it's good value for how much fear it gives

[glass bone]

Ok so here’s the thing. Heph Special deals more damage, but Heph Attack has a faster innate cooldown. Either or works, since Zeus and Hestia (the main decider for a Circe run’s cast boon) have beautiful duos with Heph (Chain Reaction for Blasts, Master Conductor because priming magick via Static Shock is a non issue on Circe).

[brazen wasp]

Hry peeps how do I pin my boons so I know what to take

[turbid parrot]

how do i play ||supai||?

[brazen wasp]

I don't see that option in the book where the boon list is

[shrewd fjord]

Erm is 5 death defys too much

[spiral wadi]

too little, get more

[meager wadi]

what is aspect of mel realistically for on the axe

[viral yew]

Crying, I hate it so much

[meager wadi]

just for learning ig with the hp

[torn plinth]

Hmm.. Night or Furies for Mel Staff?

[spiral wadi]

big swing

[torn plinth]

Aspect of Mel for the extra HP. Dont use the third big hit too often and u can cancel it with ur special

Then Thanatos is my fave but should level it up first

[viral yew]

Furies

[stoic shuttle]

Is base aspect of charon for the axe good enough to justify running over aspect of Melinoe Rank 3? Its just 10% extra dmg

[shrewd fjord]

I lost 1 of them in the chronos fight🥀 now I only have 4 left…

WOOO 4TH RUN DOWN THO

[digital juniper]

Its 10% extra damage on the cast cleave. Aspect of charon plays very differently where with Charon you will be primarily using casts and then using the omega special to detonate the cast

[torn plinth]

Base charon is good

Certain aspects dont need level ups as much as others

[shrewd fjord]

i don’t have image perms so I can’t send the build but it’s the first time i completed a run not useing the fire and ice build

broken build I love it sm

[stoic shuttle]

So I should go for things that buff my cast and omega special right

What are good gods for that

[torn plinth]

Omega cast omega specials

[torn plinth]

Apollo for big aoe and cast size

[digital juniper]

apollo gain, apollo or hera special

Then you want poseidon for geyser spout, more apollo for prominence flare or you could even try to go for his legendary

[torn plinth]

Demeter for sure

[digital juniper]

demeter's local climate is good, Ares' meat grinder is okay

giga cleaver and sudden cleaver are the hammers to hope for

[stoic shuttle]

Alright hopefully this helps me beat typhon, thanks for the tips

[viral yew]

Taking charon for a surface run is an interesting choice

[stuck token]

Trying to complete the fates' prophecy where you clear it with all weapon aspects - is there a way to tell which aspect of melinoe it means?

[viral yew]

The aspects below it

[stuck token]

Oh, that makes sense, thank you

On the charon aspect, my favorite build for it so far is aphro special because the % dmg is so nuts, but it's a bit awkward without island getaway (poseidon boon to make all enemies count as near). Then apollo mana regen/attack and I hope for his legendary

[viral yew]

I don't really like playing charon but that's just me

[stuck token]

I used to like it a lot more, but some of the bosses now are annoying to hit

the first round of them before topside was finished all pretty much stood still for it

[plain fossil]

Im not really a fan of more damage on charon

That aspect does not struggle for damage lul

[stuck token]

Yeah, it plays to its strenth imo, I could see choosing apollo though to counter its weakness - hitting moving targets

[plain fossil]

Charon's big problem is how slow it is tbh

U can fix that with cast boons but not rly special boons

[stuck token]

Yeah, it feels very different with rare racing thoughts and sudden cleaver

[plain fossil]

Many things do

[stuck token]

or just having freeze on cast helps

on cast

[plain fossil]

I roll pretty hard for demeter as charon

Not just for the freeze but also because gust fixes the other charon problem where u get tagged by projectiles during ur slow ass windup

Gust is kinda broko ngl

[stuck token]

That was part of it too - those gunners didn't exist when it was my favorite

[stoic shuttle]

How does your hex is stronger affect summons

Will my resurrected minion deal 30% more dmg?

[glossy rivet]

Is it just me or apollo gain is nerfed from EA?

[spiral wadi]

apollo gain no longers requires u to stand in ur cast, and the magick recovery is reduced to compensate

[stuck token]

previously you had to be in the cast when it expired

[spiral wadi]

it's really solid now for general use

[stuck token]

yeah, I think overall it's a boost

[spiral wadi]

and makes sense to encourage players to actually use their casts more

[stuck token]

yeah, as long as you're throwing your cast out it's really consistent, one of the best really

[spiral wadi]

i was looking at my old momus clips and i literally never used my cast even tho it was storm ring gust

it was also when i found omegas to be fun and good (they are not anymore)

for staff at least

[uneven palm]

Yeah Apollo gain leaped up to nearly top-tier with the 1.0 change

[plain fossil]

Apollo gain does have a couple issues for general use

[obtuse grove]

are percentage buffs applied before or after Power?

[uneven palm]

After

[obtuse grove]

ty

[plain fossil]

The first is that it gives 0 burst regen - it's all delayed - and the second is that it doesn't actually recover very much mana without investment so it cant really sustain most heavy mana builds

Charon is an exception obviously

[viral yew]

You get so much mana tho you have to really try to use it all for apollo regen to suck

[uneven palm]

Yeah like if you’re trying to power a fine line flames machine with common Apollo gain that’s on you

[plain fossil]

Yer i couldnt even power fine line rockets with it

And thats like 3 times slower than omega flames

[lean crypt]

so does the nightspawn thingy from nyx cloak hit the target you hit with the attack as well? or is it just more coverage for ur attacks, not single target

[viral yew]

Even on shiva you're chilling with apollo regen

[uneven palm]

For Fates Whim it’s probably fine. Not much can torch 80+ magick every 3s

[plain fossil]

Maybe the problem is im clicking fine line too much lul

[shrewd fjord]

yall in doing my second serious top side run, I went the jetpack and have some weird ares, hestia, Hera build am I cooked? (I have 5 death defys (2 from cat 3 from card(and maybe a 6th from skelly)

[viral yew]

Isn't it 85 at common with pom?

[viral yew]

Maybe, coat can be tricky to build/play

[uneven palm]

It’s more coverage. If the main move hits the nightspawn can’t

[uneven palm]

🤷‍♂️

[shrewd fjord]

I actually haven’t struggled with it all that much tbh, it’s like a better rail from 1

what’s got me is the skull

[viral yew]

Which aspect?

[viral yew]

Me when I don't have every single number memorised 😭

[uneven palm]

80ish sounds right

[shrewd fjord]

yes but esp madea

I’ve got no clue how the hell to use madea

[uneven palm]

Tap attack, tap special to go through repeat don’t get hit

[plain fossil]

Attack attack attack dash through enemy

[viral yew]

U put Zeus on special, load up one skull, special, instantly reload 1 skull, special

[plain fossil]

Or attack dash through enemy

Depending on how much time u have

Its the most straightforward build possible u just have to play like a maniac

[shrewd fjord]

sigh… I want spear back…

[viral yew]

Would you agree that if just didn't get hit i could beat 67 fear

[uneven palm]

Medea stronk

[shrewd fjord]

that was my fav from 1

[plain fossil]

Im sure u would die to timer dw

[viral yew]

I forgot about the timer

[uneven palm]

Yeah that’s actually the killer if you’re doing 67

The final final boss

[shrewd fjord]

the brainrot is too bad omfg

HADES 6 7

I’ll leave

[uneven palm]

Anyway here’s how to use all the skulls if Medea doesn’t appeal https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide#ravaal-the-argent-skull

[viral yew]

Undisputed best guide

[uneven palm]

It should tho that aspect is rad

[plain fossil]

I dont like playing medea very much

[viral yew]

Thought your Shiva guide was quite interesting, we have very different approaches to the weapon

[uneven palm]

How do you use it?

[viral yew]

I tend to stack the omega attack to 6

And then maybe think about using it

Otherwise I stack flat damage on the attack and don't really prioritise the omegas, fully depends on what i get from fates whim tho

[uneven palm]

Stacking 6 is fine if you’re not on a timer, and overkill for most things tbh

[viral yew]

I'm on timer 3

Maybe my high fear runs would go better if I tried to follow your guides more i'm only up to 45 on shiva

[uneven palm]

I mean last time I did 50 with it I just regular punched stuff with Zeus. It works.

[plain fossil]

I also just hit things with shiva idk

All this stand in bouncy whatever gets me killed

[uneven palm]

That’s what the blocking is for

[viral yew]

Yeah i'm tryna do 50 now i'm just bad, might go back down to 40f and learn rivals 4 properly

[uneven palm]

When you can aim it

[plain fossil]

Ok but if i just punch things i dont need to block

I find the blocking a lil uncomfortable tbh its easier to block with axe

[viral yew]

Blocking is super handy for rival eris and cerbie

[digital juniper]

axe hasn’t been able to block for a while now

[plain fossil]

That does explain the damage ive been randomly taking

[viral yew]

That got changed like 2 patches into ea

Or whenever coat released

[plain fossil]

I took a year out of the game lul

I only came back a couple weeks ago to do plot and learn rivals

[uneven palm]

lol yeah axe block is long gone

[plain fossil]

I bet mel axe feels horrendous without block i havent tried it since coming back

[uneven palm]

It’s ok. Big swings are fun

[spiral wadi]

mel axe is ok it's just super ass without pom lol

[rugged moon]

Still aspect of heave

[digital juniper]

mel axe is ok it's just super ass without pom lol
FTFY

[spiral wadi]

tru

also wow playing circe again and the bright pink laser messes w my peripheral so much it's insane

scylla somehow gets worse

[plain fossil]

Its so bad in tartarus

[spiral wadi]

truu

[plain fossil]

Pink lasers on pink lasers

I only tried new circe this past week it gives me a headache

Its a good aspect but i cant figure out how to efficiently deal with moving bosses

Eris is kinda 💀 idk

[spiral wadi]

i'm super used to playing raki, i don't really focus on leash during bosses like eris i just aim to do cast stuff

[plain fossil]

Oh no im saying the cast

Im not trying to pink laser the boss lmao im not a psychopath

[spiral wadi]

ah ye, i mean i also like putting winner's w any cast for rivals just cuz i can reposition faster

[plain fossil]

Thats probably a good idea