h2-builds-and-combat

[flat flare]

Interesting, I’d actually considered trying that after seeing how the shockwaves form, but assumed I’d take contact damage from his fist when dashing into it…

I’ll have to give that a try.

[median anvil]

your dash has iframes so if you time it correctly, which is easy, the fist itself won't damage you

[fossil bison]

guys my friend asks me if i beat the game, does beating chronos and typhone count 😭

[turbid parrot]

no u gotta do it a few times for each

[median anvil]

if you've seen unrivaled cerberus, i can send you a clip showing how i do it

[fossil bison]

i beat typhone once and i cant imagine going thru that mfng 10 minute boss again

[flat flare]

Ah alright thanks.

Seems a little counterintuitive, as far as communicating things to the player, since the fist stays visible in place after the slam so I’d assumed it would still have a hitbox even after the attack finishes

[median anvil]

if it took you 10 minutes to beat him then your damage was too low

[fossil bison]

not literally but yk it got tedious

[flat flare]

I haven’t seen anything “unrivaled” yet, but now that I know the fists lose their hitbox at some point after the slam attack, I’ll try out some timing on dashing into them, thanks

[fossil bison]

idk i play for fun i dont really focus on making specific builds

[junior trail]

global damage is global damage 👇

[viral yew]

You're gonna really struggle then

[fossil bison]

how so?

[median anvil]

not really, as long as there's no fear you can win with any build

it's why casual gamers loved h1

[fossil bison]

hell nah i play with no fear

am i supposed to..?

[median anvil]

if you don't like fear then no not really

[fossil bison]

never tried it honestly

so far i mean, and i dont remember my playthrough of hades 1

[turbid parrot]

i didnt use any heat in hades1 but in 2 its been pretty fun to push myself

[median anvil]

vow of menace and vow of fangs are two fun ones that add a lot of variety to runs, also easy to handle if you have no other vows on, give it a try 👀

[fossil bison]

wait what do they do i dont remember the names

[cerulean panther]

Menace gives a chance for enemies to spawn one biome early, Fangs gives Elite/Armored enemies perks like increased speed or draining Magick when you're close to themn.

[turbid parrot]

i need to do 32 underground somehow

[brazen wasp]

sworn strike is good on medea right

[cerulean panther]

Yes.

The "ideal" Medea set-up is Heaven Flourish and an Attack boon that procs Origination + deals enough damage to instantly proc Blitz.

[hollow stag]

How is Hera on base Mel skull? Should I get its Attack boon first?

[lime cliff]

Ok, managed to do 24 surface.... now 32 underworld seems like it will be almost impossible. lol

[solemn vale]

if im playing moros torches, should i get special boons or attack boons?

[lime cliff]

What should i increase from 24 to 32?
Pain 1 / Grit 1 / Menance 1 / Return 2 / Fangs 2 / Scar 1 / Debt 2 / Shadow 1 / Time 2 / Hubris 2 / Denial 1 / Rivals 1

(to underworld, these were my surface ones)

[brazen wasp]

i just cant seem to get medea down supposedly its op but im so slow with it

[sly seal]

is having a lot of gods considered bad for synergy?

i have artemis , hephaestus , zeus , apollo and hermis

and now hera appeared and not sure if i should go for it or not

[lyric kernel]

I am at the beginning of medea run and I also wonder bow to build it. I started with hestia, hope for attack, then maybe heph on special for bonk

[fossil bison]

nah bruh im scared of armor

[plain fossil]

If u can do timer3 that helps a lot

Also i recommend learning frenzy

If frenzy rly offends u then scars and pain i guess

[hollow stag]

What are good God boons for base Mel Skull besides Zeus and Hera?

[plain fossil]

Whats wrong with zeus and hera lul

[junior dome]

Is zeus attack good or bad on a fast attack like the blades?
I found it weak at first but as damage scaled blitz started to proc much more rapidly. Still think i prefer hestia but with vow of denial its hard to get pyro technique.
After thyphon had 110k attack dmg and 67k blitz damage, but I think the attack damage was front loaded in the first half of the run.

[hollow stag]

I'm using them

[plain fossil]

Yea sure but u usually want some defensive and utility gods

ie heph demeter etc

Aph is ok support esp at low fear as well

[hollow stag]

Are there good Duos with Zeus and Hera with those support gods?

[plain fossil]

Its pretty similar to a % boon in this context, not terrible but poseidon/hestia usually better

[junior dome]

should i try to avoid denial at low fear?

[plain fossil]

Denial is like negative fear

It genuinely makes the game easier most of the time

[junior dome]

oh, im thinking if i want 2 boons from the same god and they both come up, its just bad news bears

[plain fossil]

U should be at least a lil flexible

And rerolls can fix those hard brick situations

[junior dome]

is reroll guaranteed to exclude the currently present boons?

[plain fossil]

No

[junior dome]

interesting

[plain fossil]

No idea, its not common that u want to build around a potential duo unless u really want to clown with beachball or something like that

[spiral wadi]

i wish time piece start was meta so i could always sac selene whenever i see her forced in a run

[viral yew]

BASED

[civic ocean]

Zeus attack is generally just good in general regardless of weapon

[civic ocean]

Better to run night and use her I think in many circumstances

[spiral wadi]

if i used omegas maybe

it just feels dumb that selene start has the inherent implication that every weapon has good omegas (wrong)

or that the player will in fact be playing omegas that run (wrong)

[brazen wasp]

talking about selene is cascade any good and how do u build coat

[safe galleon]

Ello I have a question: does doing the vow that upgrade the dugeon bosses change anything interms of reward etc? or is it purly a new set of battles for entertainment ?

[civic ocean]

There is a fated prophecy to beat most of then and get to all of them

[safe galleon]

soo stuff wise not really? cool will do them separately thaaanks

wish there is just a forever mode where i can just enjoy slippery slope into pos zeus dual boon but alias.....Just got a sea star to 85% -- though nothing much happened, didnt event went over 500 HP blehhh

[brazen wasp]

is cascade any good and how do u build coat. i got cascade and have a choice between hammer and dem

[viral yew]

Which coat aspect

[brazen wasp]

selene

[safe galleon]

hey guyss another question , if i never spoke to bouldy and already reached true ending, does that mean I will miss out on its keepsake etc?

ahhh nvmd just realized i m missing zags card not bouldy

[humble dagger]

can you explain why hitch is good? from the description I'm not sure how it can proc in boss fights

[edgy nacelle]

it doesn't in single target (some bosses are AoE some or all of the time)
but it's still one of the higher % damage boosts to your attack/special, and is a status curse so it counts for origination (even more % damage)

[junior trail]

hitch is mostly for cc or vow of shadows and sworn has high % dmg modifier, bossing not so much

[quaint badge]

I’ve had some successful runs with Hitch on the secondary attack. The Zorephet special is delightful with hitch - it’ll curse pretty much every monster in front of you 🙂

[edgy nacelle]

hitch is also really great on sprint! the AoE got increased in 1.0, and it's very nice to get a status curse on enemies and do better in AoE without taking up an offensive boon slot

[lime nebula]

Any tips on using moves? I struggle with using them because I cannot really move around while channelling them and usually get hit. So I played large parts of the game so far without using them.

Really got to learn it when I want to/have to beat the game with multiple weapons.

[formal grove]

Upgrade your arcana

It helps a lot with omega moves

[median anvil]

the % is good by itself, counts as a curse for origination, massive damage output in rooms with lots of enemies

[brazen wasp]

im always on the fence between born gain and cardio gain for moros and is hera attack early more important thsn born gain if i get both in one selection

[viral yew]

Born gain is better for moros, and it's up to you, hera attack is better with more mana

[uncut sigil]

dammit Lightning Lance and Howling Soul, I like them but I keep having to adjust for a few rooms whenever I get em

[humble dagger]

For cc? Does the damage from hitch interrupt the mobs as well?

[viral yew]

No, it's just damage to everything at once

[edgy nacelle]

I think they more mean just dealing with crowds, not CC as in restricting movement
it tears through groups and helps with wards rly well

[brazen wasp]

so im obv blind to sth but the issue i have with born gain is that it requires me to pick up mana also cuz i have no inherent regen specially if its a low level/rarity born gain while cardio just passively keeps me topped up

[viral yew]

If cardiovascular gain works for you then go for it, i just tend to run out sometimes

[humble dagger]

Ah okay, thanks. Another question: when should I choose flat damage increase vs. % dmg increase? I'm not familiar with how damage is calculated in this game yet. So far I only know that scorch is good on blades because of the rapid application, and blitz seems to be universally good.

[viral yew]

Flat damage for faster hitting weapons, %damage for slower ones

So blades/coat/staff/torches vs skulls/axe

Even then you can mix and match, depends on aspect and build

[humble dagger]

Gotcha, that makes sense. So what usually goes on skulls and axe? Not a fan of slow weapons, I've been cycling between blades (90% of the time) and staff - for blades scorch is the go to, for staff I like Apollo or Zeus. Currently trying coat right now with Poseidon

[viral yew]

For axe you want apollo and/or aphro, and stack good supporting boons to supplement that, especially a good cast and special boon for origination or the secondary effect boon for aphro or apollo

For skulls hitch is a favourite of mine, also goes well on axe too

Hera gives the most %damage while still applying a curse

[brazen wasp]

whats a good duo for moros

[viral yew]

Romantic spark

[edgy nacelle]

ripple effect hera + poseidon comes to mind. there are plenty of good duos tho

[junior trail]

coffin nail & cutting edge (if play with cut above)
ripple effect (if play with fine line/ocean swell)
romantic spark (if play with heaven flourish, arc flash also works) & thermal dynamic
sunny disposition (if play with heartthrob)
universal donor (+20% speed)

[humble dagger]

What are some good cast boons? I usually try to go for something with crowd control, like Demeter/Poseidon/Aphrodite

[humble dagger]

Yeah I see it now, Hera's %dmg is pretty good. Hera can still work with axe right

[viral yew]

Demeter, aphro and hestia are all good

[viral yew]

Yep hera is good

[brazen wasp]

what about incandesent aura

[viral yew]

It's ok, more of a win more kinda duo, never noticed it too much

[junior trail]

i can see this with hera special + born gain yeah

[brazen wasp]

can i only have one duo

[viral yew]

You can have as many as you can find

[lime cliff]

Night Champion done, finally xD

Thank you all for the tips. Better fear placement did the trick.

[turbid crescent]

I'm fairly new to Hades 2, Does anyone know stuff about builds?

[zinc jungle]

how many encounters are there in each surface region? if I take rank 3 experimental hammer (20 encounters) at the 3rd region can it last until the final boss without Fig?

[turbid crescent]

I've been tryna cook up a twin blades build and progress from there (for context, I have very little play time. Like 20 nights in at best)
I have no idea what boons are good for an offensive build with twin blades. I've just been going aphrodite -> close range attack boost + pray for a daedelus hammer -> last srike deal 400% damage

[zinc jungle]

according to an inforaphic i saw online, it says olympus is 11 chambers and the summit is 9, making that 20 chambers, meaning the hammer is guaranteed to last until the final boss even without fig/athena/dio/chaos/fountains because of shops/free rooms at the end of the region, correct? or is the final shop not counted as a chamber?

[viral yew]

For blades you want hestia, posiedon, or zeus on the attack, and Demeter, hera, or zeus on the special if you don't have it on attack

[turbid crescent]

Why poseidon tho? Aren't most of his boons defensive? or at least the one's I've seen that is.

[viral yew]

Not really, that's hephaestus, poseidon has really good flat attack damage, and works really well with the blades and their moveset

[turbid crescent]

well damm, could have never guessed I'd use those keepsakes

[spiral wadi]

oh my god the game refused to give me a attack or special core boon and i'm at goddamn scylla

[turbid crescent]

Was sticking to hades 1 tech

[spiral wadi]

nice goddamn cores

[steep galleon]

He has good flat dmg and wave clear with the waves

[turbid crescent]

So I'm guessing hestia on specials isn't that good of an idea? I have the epic rarity ones rn lol

[viral yew]

Hestia on special is good if you have zeus attack, other than that it's kinda mid

[turbid crescent]

Yeah no I have aphrodite, it seems decent tho

might try a build

[viral yew]

We probably have different ideas for decent

[turbid crescent]

As long as I get to spam special and snipe some stuff ig

Damage output is good enough for higher HP creatures

[viral yew]

What boss have you made it up to?

[next pond]

Hey, could anyone explain to me the interaction between coat's zeus omega spec and arc flash from zeus?

that's the one that makes omega damage trigger blitz

It doesn't seem to work as I'd expect on successive rocket hits. Blitz definitely isn't applying/triggering on each one

I could always be mistaken, and it actually is working that way

[viral yew]

Blitz has a innate cooldown, rockets hit too fast to apply each time

[next pond]

and I'm just not parsing the damage numbers competently

[next pond]

oh that explains everything

how long is it, if you know?

[viral yew]

I'm not sure, but at best you might get 2 blitz triggers

[next pond]

that's still not bad

but definitely nowhere near as strong as I'd expected

oh well, thanks much

[viral yew]

Zeus is still really good on coat tho, keep trying it out

[junior trail]

arc flash shines on torches more than coat but yeah, still pretty good

[brazen echo]

Does Incandasent Aura activate even when you're at max magic?

like if i attack with cardio gain while at max magic, does the duo still procc?

[tough mulch]

I see a lot of people say they like aspect of pan, but it feels absolutely awful; is this just me?

[humble dagger]

From the wiki:

There is a 0.15 second cooldown by default between Splash activations.

This only nerfs attacks that hit at the same time (like aspect of pan omega special) right? Does it affect blades' normal attacks?

[viral yew]

Blades don't hit fast enough

[humble dagger]

Nice, I might do a run with blades and poseidon then. Most of the time I just stick to Hestia lol

[zinc jungle]

are Revival boons from Chaos subject to the Vow of Scars? It would sugest not, based on the UI

[viral yew]

No

[glossy thorn]

67

[zinc jungle]

If I buy a Hermes boon from Charon's shop or the Hermes shrine, does that add to my total possible Hermes boons, or does it just expedite the process of getting my next Hermes boon offered?

[cosmic steppe]

i THINK his "region token" is shared between all sources

[zinc jungle]

it's offering me a Hermes boon in 2 encounters for 180 which seems steep but i dont think i got a single Hermes boon in Ephyra and I'm in the fountain chamber after defeating Poly. So does that count as this region's "token" or next?

if i don't buy this. am I down 1 Hermes boon the rest of the run?

eh, in any case, 180 seems like a lot

gonna trust that I'll see Hermes later, just like how I would a hammer

[vital ledge]

menace 2 is next to no difference to 1 and gives 2 fear for whatever reason.
add rivals 2/3 or 20/40% speed. I'd say rivals 3 with 20% speed is the easiest of those.
timer 3 would be another option, but I don't like that one either for 32 fear.

[viral yew]

Timer 3 frenzy 2 rivals 2 is easier imo

[chilly swift]

Can I only get the Life Savings blessing from Narcissus if I've lost a DD?

Trying to finish his prophecy and it just won't turn up

[viral yew]

Yes

[vital ledge]

I knew that someone would comment on the timer 3 thing hah. 🙂
for me it isn't. even though most runs are around 20 minutes near the end. skipping boons early to rush the timer makes skylla and cerby harder. but whatever, obviously it works with timer 3 too.

[viral yew]

You don't need to skip boons?

[vital ledge]

point is: those three are kinda mandatory for 32 fear? some combination of it

[viral yew]

Yep, timer, frenzy, and rivals are the big three to get used to, all the others are smaller increases in difficulty

[vital ledge]

or if you want to suffer
(don't do that)

[viral yew]

Not the onion

[tall notch]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzUsMywyLDAsMywwLDAsNSw0LDEsMCwzLDEsNSwwLDAsMF0

Are these vows okay for my first 32 fear run?

[viral yew]

This is ragebait right

[tall notch]

No this is the h2 crossroads page for sharing fear setups

[steep galleon]

They're perfect!

[daring nexus]

How does Silken Sash interact with Trusty Shield?

[tall notch]

Trusty adds its armor at the start of the room, if you still have armor by the end of the room you'll get your extra sash armor. If your trusty broke, you won't

[daring nexus]

So if I run out of the permanent armor, but still have Trusty armor, I get a bit of permanent armor?

Can I sell Bridal Glow or will it degrade the affected boon?

[glass bone]

You can sell it, and it won’t degrade the affected boon. But it can be upgraded itself at Common with Proper Upbringing, and it does matter for infusions relating to Water

[daring nexus]

Thanks.

[tall notch]

Also it's a legendary prerequisite, so it may be worth keepingif you like Hera's legendary

[runic prairie]

I've been trying to start using all the other weapons, first started during early access with the axe and the dagger and just never switched back to anything else, anyone got any idea on some good weapons or aspects to start with?

[glass bone]

Circe and Mel Staff are really strong weapons to try out

[viral yew]

Medea, nyx/shiva, circe, and moros

[glass bone]

For Circe, you take Smolder / Storm Ring and Arctic Gale
For Mel Staff, you take Zeus Attack, any % Special boon (ideally Aphro or Hera), and Dual Moonshot

[vital ledge]

torch: omega special out at all times, hold attack, dash
blitz on the special and go. needs a good magick regen like apollo or hera to keep it up properly.

[rare brook]

How people play that they can get clears in less than 10 minutes? My clears are more around 20 minutes

[viral yew]

My best is 8.03 underworld, you just use frenzy 2, skip as many rooms as possible, get as much damage as possible, and prioritise speed over everything else, and getting good at not getting hit by bosses, esp chronos so you can use white antler

[chilly swift]

With ||Jeweled Pom||, what's the best way to make use of it? I know people take it in first region, but does it apply to the entire night even if you switch off of it? Or does it only apply when you take boons while it's equipped, so is best to use throughout the entire run? [Epilogue keepsake spoiler]

[hollow stag]

What are good Icarus boons? I'm using Mel skull with the hammer Possessed Array, which fires off Omega Attack when skulls are picked up.

[chilly swift]

If your build uses omega moves a lot then Explosive Intent seems really good, it was like #3 damage source on my Morrigan surface run recently

I'm not sure if that fires off automatically with the Possessed Array omega attacks, someone else might need to answer that

[rare brook]

So it's like in Hades 2, but as I play Hades 2 for one week, I still don't know what gives highest dmg

[viral yew]

Aspect of medea probably, i used aspect of morrigan for my 8m time

Got an 8.46 with moros torches

[rare brook]

I like staff a lot

Got Melonie, Circe and Anubis aspects maxed out

[viral yew]

Circe is really good rn

[rare brook]

This telepatic leash does really good dmg and double storm ring clears packs nicely

Also a lot changed from beginning of early aspects - for example torches feel way better and axes have better bonuses. Melonie staff is kind of early Mobus, but not broken as this was 😄

[brazen echo]

Any suggestions for a Hel build? About to take it on a test run

[viral yew]

Hitch/zeus special, pos attack, go for pos legendary

[meager vale]

Just had my first skull run and I think I stumbled into an absolutely insane build. Hammer that triggers omega attack on pick up + hammer for auto return with Apollo legendary and Hera magick restoration while just stacking total magick for the whole run

was actually unfair

[acoustic sandal]

What atk and spec should I ideally run for medea?

[glass bone]

Hera Attack, Zeus Special

Fixed it.

Hera Attack is used to apply a status curse + a % boon, and Zeus Special is used because the Special + Attack combo has Special hitting first

[acoustic sandal]

So is the loop just atk spec repeat?

[vocal rampart]

P much

Can do ATKx2 -> spec as well from time to time

[glass bone]

Yes. Will say, for invulnerability phases, and for Rival Eris, you can use OAttack. OSpecial isn’t as useful though.

[hybrid tulip]

It's kinda unfortunate that Possed Array (Shells fire your O Attack whenever retrieved, but make you lose 25 mana) doesn't contribute to your hex. Is there a rule for what mana contributes to hex and doesn't contribute to hex?

[glass bone]

Oh, that’s a specific Possessed Array nerf. It was too busted (and still kind of is), so that’s a bit of an exception I think

[acoustic sandal]

I believe cos it states lose and not use

[hybrid tulip]

That's what I figured

[vocal rampart]

But also generally, any % atk boon works well for medea I think

[acoustic sandal]

Yeah, I got ares which is doing rather nicely

Plus looming ignition hammer

[vocal rampart]

Ares, demeter, apollo and aphrodite all do quite well for different reasons

[lapis lantern]

I really need to start using aphro for more than glamour gain and cast, glamour cos its really nice i find for mele builds and also it unlocks burning desire, what aspects is she good with on attack and or special ?

[acoustic sandal]

Artemis

[vocal rampart]

Personally I love running ares, zeus and apollo with heinous affront and the divine vengeance/light smite/visceral impact at non super high

[lapis lantern]

What would I pair her with on arti? I'm a big fan of knives

[acoustic sandal]

Poseidon is good cos of duo

[lapis lantern]

I got my first 32 clear on uw last night but NGL surface is kinda shredding me

I awesome Ty , gonna give it a try. Getting a bit too often with zues and Hestia builds lol. Need to branch out

[vocal rampart]

Aphro is generally really good too on a lot of magick spending builds

Heartbreakers hit hard

[lapis lantern]

I take her so often for glamour or ring. But basically never for attack or special

[acoustic sandal]

I do love me a good aphro ares build

[vocal rampart]

But also, Mel staff is quite good with aphro special imo

[lapis lantern]

Any sort of lightish magic ill take glamour

[acoustic sandal]

Strong atk modifier with the crits are so satisfying

[lapis lantern]

I've only really used staff as circie mostly. Got my 32 with that . It's insane, and I hadn't even built it as powerful as u can. Even got one of my fastest clears with 17m

I'll experiment a bit today.

[vocal rampart]

Aphro + zeus is disgusting on circe imo

Storm ring, blitz and romantic spark goes nuts

[lapis lantern]

I was zues cast and Hera special with Apollo and Ares cast buffs

[acoustic sandal]

Dem, ares, apollo with zeus shred if you can get air quality procd

[lapis lantern]

Yeah it's crazy honestly

[acoustic sandal]

Arctic gale, meat grinder and prom flare ideal, with probably storm ring base

[vocal rampart]

Zeus has a lot of good duos tbh, esp on Circe staff

[lapis lantern]

Yeah that's what I normally got for on it , but didn't land prom flare

I got gusts but not the duo for them flying out everywhere lol

[acoustic sandal]

Thing is, you don't even need the duos, air quality does so much heavy lifting but also not needed

[lapis lantern]

I had been trying most of the day with nyx then just took circie and crushed it lol

[acoustic sandal]

I also like a fun lightning lance/glowing coal build with winner's circle from hermes

[blissful niche]

heyho, noobquestion about the Staff:
if you get the Apollo Legendary
"Your Ω Attack and Ω Special fire 2 times, but use more Magick"
and the Hammer Boon Dual Moonshot
"Your Specials fire 2 projectiles, but have -40% range."
do you basically get 4 omega specials in one cast?

[acoustic sandal]

It's also nice cos circe can really run with whatever hammer upgrades

[lapis lantern]

Doesn't it just fire the moonshot thingy twice ?

Yeah I like to get hammers for my special to bounce or the split. It's just a really crazy aspect cos u cAn concentrate on Ur movement a lot more

[tacit laurel]

does anyone have like a weapon build guide?

[lapis lantern]

I found the crossroads website really helpful cos it has builds and the video of the run so it's helpful to learn play styles rather than only build so you can adapt Ur own builds to aspects

[glass bone]

There is Mobalytics as an option

[lapis lantern]

AHH yeah. I just found the videos so helpful cos I wanyer to learn to make my own builds rather than copying one so really I needed to learn how some of the aspects play

[bronze flax]

How do y'all feel about Ares? Wounds is nice and all that, but the Plasma mechanic feels bad unless you get his Legendary

[civic vine]

does furious blaze work only while ur channeling?

[lapis lantern]

Yeah plas feels like it sucks without his leg. I like Ares sometimes to buff my casts when I'm playing circie

[split igloo]

i think he kinda sucks lol

[tacit laurel]

ooh gimme

[split igloo]

that knife that falls from the sky does no damage and falls way too late

like he provides mid damage and mid aoe

it feels like his boons arent really good at anything specific

[acoustic sandal]

On that, it's really silly if you can get both apollo and heph's duos on the same build

[split igloo]

whats the interaction

[acoustic sandal]

Extra blade with bigger aoe for apollo and heph's makes them drop immediately

[bronze flax]

I'd say it's bad because requires a lot of duos to be online, but then I'd have to say that about Heph blasts and I refuse to

[lapis lantern]

H2crossroads.pages.dev

Foolish and boated etc upload there runs there

[flint widget]

submissions are currently closed tho cuz the owner is taking a break

[acoustic sandal]

Thing is you can get it with three core boons, honestly just the heph one is fine if you're running both ares cast and have the boon cut above

[lapis lantern]

Oh that's why there isn't many new vids 😭 I really got a lot of handy Info from that site

[bronze flax]

I have used Supay with Ares dash and those duos, they're nice. I'd wish they were a bit better without them

And for Plasma, I'd wish I wouldn't have to pick them up without getting Ares' legendary

[acoustic sandal]

Is it on paper easy to get going? Yes. Will luck probably screw you out of it also yes

[tacit laurel]

im so lost on how to use this lmao

[lapis lantern]

One of the pages just has a list of runs click on run and vid is at the top and all the details of boons r just below it

My net is borked atm so can't really check it atm on my phone but unless it's changed drastically it should still be the same

[tacit laurel]

oh its just a list of good boons i see

[lapis lantern]

Nah it shows the runs, then I click on the run and I'll see the link to the video and the the boons and keeepshakes the person took

There is a few tabs tho

If u click the ea one it should look like I said

Someone just said tho the site isn't being updated ATM tho cos owner is on a break so it's probably mobanyalatics ATM but I still prefer crossrosds

[fierce current]

quick question: does hestia burn count as a "damaging effect from olympians" for the "sprouted" ?

[bronze flax]

Yes, it does

[tacit laurel]

ooh i see

[bronze flax]

Basically, any damage that does not come up from the weapon damage itself counts as Olympian damage for the Sprouted indicator

[rare dove]

Any advice for builds for the black coat? going topside

[fierce current]

thanks

[lapis lantern]

I played zues special and Hera attack for coat

Had fun with Hestia attack as well with burning desire and demi special to pop scorchs. But zues special has felt the strongest. I play nyx aspect

[chilly swift]

[Surface end boss spoiler] Question about ||Typhon||: When he gets to 50% and ||Zeus stuns him so you can attack his tongue||, does the damage you do there actually matter? Or is it just for cinematic effect. Like are you reducing the healthbar more the more damage you do, or does it just end after a certain amount of damage is taken so it makes no difference

[acoustic sandal]

Actual damage, was able to blitz through half the phase during it

[chilly swift]

There's only ||12% of his total health between when he's stunned (at 50%) and the next phase with the eggs (at 38%), so I'm not sure how much the damage you do while he's stunned factors in. He always seems to phase to the eggs immediately after recovering from the stun|| for me but maybe that's just because I always do a lot of damage during the ||stun||?

[lean crypt]

does flutter flourish work with ygnium omega special?

range wise

[acoustic sandal]

I've had runs ||where he hasn't immediately changed to egg phase after the stun||

[chilly swift]

Gotcha, good to know, definitely sounds like the damage there matters

[vernal shuttle]

if yall were gonna force an Pan aspect build for the blades, what are you forcing?

[flint widget]

hera special trick knives

[signal coral]

Trick knives with whatever

I personally like zeus special but really trick knives makes the aspect a lot better

[vernal shuttle]

you can force a hammer?

[lapis lantern]

Nah u can't force hammer s

I kinda get why you can't roll on hammers

[sacred storm]

poseidon special and pray for trick knives, hidden knives, and/or sudden flurry.

[split igloo]

you go with aphrodite attack and that aspect (nyx i think) that makes your attacks split in two, and then hope you get the hammer that makes dash attacks hit three times

[turbid crescent]

how do yall even use the umbral flames or w/e

I cant figure out a build at all

[split igloo]

they changed the moveset they used to be so bad

[turbid crescent]

it still is imo

[flint widget]

yo guys im trying to do 62 fear on both routes, should i take toula or gale as the familiar

[split igloo]

nah go with supay or melinoe and they can shred

[split igloo]

toula is birb right? go with birb

[sacred storm]

mel: ripple effect, ocean swell, fine line
moros: basically anything but zeus special/hestia attack is one option. spin up an ospecial and buzzsaw through enemies.
eos: idk i don't use it much
supay: also pretty much anything. zeus rush goes wild with a fat king's ransom, plus blitz and second status of choice for orig.

[oblique hazel]

hestia special is my go-to, did 40 fear underworld with nyx aspect today it feels very consistent

[sacred storm]

toula is the cat, gale is the polecat (ferret), the bird is raki

[split igloo]

ohh

[oblique hazel]

gale is probably the smart choice(?) but toula is cuter

my vote is for kitty

[split igloo]

cat is mid though all it does is give death defiance which is no bueno

[sacred storm]

boated used gale for his max fear run fwiw

[split igloo]

icl black coat feels like knock off blades

with the way it plays

[flint widget]

ooooook guys tanks

[oblique hazel]

yeah i really dont like coat attacks but the rockets feel very nice imo

[ebon grove]

Gale is a Polecat/Ferret and as such is the cutest of the lot.

[split igloo]

bird increases crit chance though

which is fire

[flint widget]

raki has no defensive capabilities tho

[split igloo]

offence is the best defence

[oblique hazel]

3% crit doesnt feel as substantial as toula or gale tbh

toula has a nice early game with her extra damage too

[waxen ledge]

i miss the old torches

[sacred storm]

crits are global and stack multiplicatively with other damage increases though, so even small crit chance can add up a lot.

[bronze flax]

For Eos, the Night Arcana is fun, open with Omega Special, then throw a Omega Attack, and that one has the +CRIT chance during the whole duration

[split igloo]

if youre building into crit it makes a huge difference 3% is significant already

[oblique hazel]

ive had more success with eos using omega special after omega attack since the daybreaker copies the omega special and the whole special seems to get the crit chance

[signal coral]

Raki's main advantage is that he is free damage you dont have to think about and he doesnt turn off strength

For high fear medea you likely want gale or toula though

As medea has no issues with damage

[oblique hazel]

yeah that makes sense i play dds so ive never felt a strong need for raki

[signal coral]

If you do not get owned to your own mistakes the enemy will die, medea just has absurd dps

So being able to have some insurance from your companion helps a lot

[oblique hazel]

not to mention how dangerous medea is to use so the insurance comes in handy often

[lapis lantern]

When you said you use Hestia on Ur special for nyx what attack did you use? And also do you just use it special for rockets during nyx proc rather than locking on ?

[oblique hazel]

#h2-victory-boasting message
never actually took an attack boon because i never used the attack. just used the base special without locking on + the cast for the damage boost from the furies arcana (and later on for freezer burn)

[lapis lantern]

Aight n1. I love nyx coat always cool to see different builds

[stark ibex]

what are the best vows to take for 32 fear

I know menace is an easy one but the others i don't know time? and frenzy maybe?

[spiral wadi]

i think 32 fear getting used to timer 3 will help make actually getting the 32 clear faster overall

boated's got a vid actually recently about what vows to take at certain vow checkpoints https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDe-P5UHAqc

[stark ibex]

funny as soon as i asked the question here i got recommeded this vid on youtube

[spiral wadi]

LOL nice

[dense heron]

I think my run is going well. About to face the first boss of the run and I have the following

• Circe's Staff
• Storm Ring (Rare)
• Winner's Circle (Rare)
• Super Nova (Rare, lv2)
• Rousing Reception (Epic, lv2)
• Extending Wallop Daedalus Hammer + Nova Strike (Epic, lv2)

Basically omega casts charge faster, double cast (centered on myself and on my familiar), free 260 damage on any enemies that join while the cast is active, and passive damage

Thinking I either need to drop Winner's Circle, or I need to drop Storm Ring for a cast boon that doesn't rely on the duration of the Cast (Poseidon, Hera, or maybe Hephaestus would work I think)

[lapis lantern]

Which god is linked to total eclipse?

[spiral wadi]

hestia

[lapis lantern]

This strat (getting used to timer 3 and frenzy 2 before you need them) is what actually helped me nail 32

Also it meant I didn't use the stuff that I dislike that makes me poor and limits my boons lol

[stark ibex]

i don't fw denial early though

[lapis lantern]

Nah I hate it lol. I think if Ur smart with it tho it can actually work for you tho

[stark ibex]

man i ain't fw alot of stuff my early fears were using menace and fangs with maybe 1 frenzy

i don't know if i want to take debt and hubris

[lapis lantern]

Yeah I don't even use debt lol hu tis is kinda free tho. Menace is whatever so I always take it. And now I take frenzy 2 all the time as in used to it. Weirdly fangs 2 I found super super hard

[steep galleon]

Debt is free, hubris also free if not extremely mana dependent weapon

[dense heron]

Oh, just got offered Epic Solar Ring tradeoff. That one's damage shouldn't be lessened by reduced duration from Winner's Circle

[stark ibex]

okay how is scars free?😭

[green prairie]

Since I havent played in 6 months what weapon is the move rn I want a strong weapon to get the feel back

[fierce current]

How exactly does (epilogue keepsake) ||Jewelled Pom|| work? Like do I lose everything if I swap off of it or do I keep the boon and levels as long as I am at fates whim? Or is it more of a "you commit to using this for the whole/rest of the run" type thing?

[raw reef]

What’s a good build to run with for the black coat?

The regular one / melione

[stark ibex]

one of the best weapons imo is the skull aspect of medea but if you don't like close range weapons, staff aspect of melione is good

[sage flame]

unless it's max scars the healing you're getting is still pretty good and you can always just "heal" by replacing DDs with athena, echo, ect if you happen to be struggling extra hard with healing

also makes you think more about trying not to get hit as much early on

[sage flame]

you'll keep the levels and hades boon

but you keep the "boon options will have + levels" until you turn off fates whim

[oblique hazel]

check out boated on youtube he has a very comprehensive tier list of the weapon aspects if youre interested in detail (or you can skip to the end to see the best ones lol)

[uneven yacht]

why not frinos?

[hollow stag]

How is the Black Coat? I just unlocked Weapon Aspects and it's thirsty for bones.

[jagged zinc]

Did they remove the "boon" which reactivated your actual keepsake to the next zone ? I thought it was Circé

[green prairie]

i'll check that out then though rn im just using Staff of melione 5

[green prairie]

imma try the staff my first run like you said thanks

[stark ibex]

2nd worst weapon

[lapis lantern]

Dunno bout it being r
The 2nd worst wep

Some of my vest runs are with nyx

It maybe just preferences but it's easily one of my favourite weapons

[sage flame]

echo can do that

[sage flame]

high fear usually means one hit will do a big chunk of hp and high fear you don't wanna get hit really at all so between the dodge change and giving you 3 free mistakes (taking damage) its general better than frinos since you can't tank very well

[lapis lantern]

Circie and nyx are tied for my favourite and most reliable aspects for me. Then it's Mel's torches and artimes and I guess Charon

[lapis lantern]

I've been taking Frinos when going. Mele builds do you think I should swap for a dodge pet ?

Playing 28-32

[cosmic steppe]

If you like reliability give mom skull a thorough try

[sage flame]

depends how much damage you generally take on a run

[lapis lantern]

My most dmg taken in uw is almost always fkn haecete lol

[sage flame]

if you are already good at not getting hit, gale just multiplies that and makes it even harder to land damage on you

[cosmic steppe]

The aspect of fates whim runs that's rarely talked about is that you get to almost completely ignore pom and gold rooms and focus on HP and mana instead

While obtaining obscene amounts of levels and gold anyways

[lapis lantern]

Yew that new keepsakes is awesome

U take the sell stuff keepsake in second zone?

[cosmic steppe]

Almost always

[lapis lantern]

Keep meaning to try a psephone build with it

[cosmic steppe]

I adopt the "trust the process" mentality in terms of my god rotation to its fullest the second I start with mom pom

[lapis lantern]

I really enjoyed the greater chaos trials it's a shame they stop at 20

[cosmic steppe]

Had a bit of reflection on how many runs tunneling for builds has lost me on my main save

[lapis lantern]

Yeah I'm really trying to keep a diverse build profile ... Keep finding myself with zues. Or Hestia lol

[cosmic steppe]

They're supposed to be showcases/tutorials for respective difficulty settings and as a nature of tutorials they're easier than the actual thing

[lapis lantern]

Yeah I guess. I just wish we e could have a randomise weapon etc

I've done a few judgement runs now which are fun

With mom pom or chaos keepsake

[turbid parrot]

this fine for 32 fear?
i have hordes 3 menace 2 return 1 fangs 2 scars 1 shadow time 2 hubris 2 and rivals 4

[fresh pivot]

What's technically the best attack on Medea? Any between Hera/Aphro/Ares?

[brave locust]

I mean just pick whatever weapon has the red aura no?

[cosmic steppe]

I did one bc I wanted the arcana prophecy to be done with and it was at lvl1 at the time, haven't tried it after levelling it

[cosmic steppe]

Hera/aphro/Apollo I'd say

[lapis lantern]

Lol.. that's a good point haha. I do hat anyways I didn't even think lol

[cosmic steppe]

Aspect though...

[lapis lantern]

Oh yeah

It would be a nice for an aspect randomiser

[cosmic steppe]

I'm NOT playing high fear pan or Eos unless forced to

[lapis lantern]

I need to force myself to use more than I do

[cosmic steppe]

And I wouldn't mind a mechanic that would force me to

[brave locust]

Thats something ive yet to unlock. I havent figured out how to get alloys other than silver. Nor how to survive upstairs. Ive almost maxed out nectar hearts on everyone. Feels like im low key gated by not successfully beating a run

[lapis lantern]

I was stuck on pro ethus for far yo long cos I couldn't remember lol. But then I cracked it and had a big progression phase

I saw a guy on stream saying out loud 1 2 or 3 and it worked for me

[cosmic steppe]

I mean, all the regions have different sets of "1 type of seed - 1 type of metal - 1 type of flower - god knows how many types of fish"

[lapis lantern]

I'm so fkn happy greatest gift of Gaia exists

[cosmic steppe]

I'm still at greater and I COULDN'T be bothered to click on fish blindly

If I knew which ones I'm missing there'd be at least some incentive

[lapis lantern]

Yeah I just randomly got it . But I bet it's chaos fish

[cosmic steppe]

I could be on track for wr highest HP pool run, having water fitness, and I will still skip fishing

[lapis lantern]

Haha just take the cat ? I think that's what fishes for you ?

Kinda annoying there is no way to track what you need

[brave locust]

i have only found birb

[cosmic steppe]

You have activated my trap card, I knew you would say that and prepared to answer with the fact that wr highest HP pool run suggests taking forg

[lapis lantern]

Aha

I was trapped

The obly pet I don't use often is gale

All the others get a run here and there

But it's mostly frinos and hecube

[cosmic steppe]

Used him for 32f up&down and don't let her rest since

[lapis lantern]

Oh and raki

[brave locust]

Whats a surefire way to claim my first W

[lapis lantern]

I'm working on 32 surface ATM... Hopefully I'll get it soon

[cosmic steppe]

I only use raki and hecuba mostly

[vital ledge]

interesting what different people call "free fear" in this channel 😛

[brave locust]

ive failed about 20 runs (3 in tartarus 1 to the boss man)

[cosmic steppe]

Zeus run

[lapis lantern]

Haha all the guides recommend stuff like debt and onion and stuff

I've worked my fear so I don't take them lol

[cosmic steppe]

Zeus the most versatile damaging god

[vital ledge]

debt = less boons, less healing. definitely not free (unless you never need healing, but why not just take more scars then)

[lapis lantern]

Frenzy 2 and time 3 is no in perma rotation even when I'm doing lower fear so I keep being used to it

The one I've found the hadest to get used to is fang 2

[cosmic steppe]

You get a cast and static shock for thousand cuts type shi, you get blitz double strike for nuking, you get the most damaging set of duos period

[lapis lantern]

Sometimes it's just crazy how much harder an elite is

[brave locust]

What do i look for? Cuz even with the blitz* boon i just sorta feel like i dont do enough dps

[cosmic steppe]

What weapon

[brave locust]

I play mostly axe and daggers

but i do find skull interesting and wish to play it more

[cosmic steppe]

Meli aspects?

[lapis lantern]

A couple of poms is really helpful as well. I always find static shock and the one that gives u 2 strikes and hammer to split on hit. Use a freeze for cast , get their duo. ..

[brave locust]

i havent unlocked that yet. i figured i couldnt until i find a way to go upstairs. but i cant cuz i suffocate in 2,2 seconds

[lapis lantern]

Daggers Hestia and demi freezer burn is a pretty solid build

[cosmic steppe]

Yeah

[brave locust]

can u explain the demi freezer burn part?

[lapis lantern]

Get glamour gain and burning desire as well and u can rack up really big scorchs and pop with demi

[cosmic steppe]

On surface you gotta pick up the moss (green brushes here and there), it's used in the incantation to stop dying iirc

[brave locust]

ah so i need a few failed runs upstairs

[lapis lantern]

So Hestia attack is building up scorch then Ur demi special uses the duo freezer burn to consume the scorch and do a nice burst dmg

[cosmic steppe]

Take hestia attack, aphro Regen, any of the remaining 2 Demeter freezes, hestias duo with both of other goddesses

[vital ledge]

yeah. took me 2 runs this time for the moss. might be able to get both in the same run if you are lucky

[cosmic steppe]

Run up stack scorch then proc freeze for nuke

Rinse & repeat

[lapis lantern]

I was looking at my records today and my most taken boon is glamour lol

[brave locust]

Thanks. Imma do this after work

what hammer do you recc for dagger/axe respectively?

[lapis lantern]

U need the duo from Hestia and demiter and if u can then duo from aphro and Hestia as well

Everyine will say trick knives

[cosmic steppe]

My most taken is hestia attack bc of all the reset-upon-seeing-sharttiest-ephyra-lineup-imagineable runs

[cosmic steppe]

Yeah trick knives play themselves

[lapis lantern]

So I'm trying to get aphro attack working for me. Say on knives with pos special. How to get the attack hitting well do I just need to pom it a bit ?

[cosmic steppe]

Same for psychic whirlwind on ax

[vital ledge]

no surprise. for me it's trusty shield 👀
also the highest win rate hah

[brave locust]

This is the one that lets me dash/move with atk charge right?

[lapis lantern]

I haven't really played a lot of her attacks or specials only supports and gain or ring

[cosmic steppe]

You need slow cooker and secret crush for daggers to feel the effects of aphro attack

[cosmic steppe]

Yeah

[lapis lantern]

Slow cooker is Hestia right ? Wot is secret crush sorry not at comp

[cosmic steppe]

Aphro secondary, prime for atk power

Slow cooker is 2 atk/sp power per fire boon

[lapis lantern]

Yy ic

[cosmic steppe]

With aphro attack, orig, furies and huntress they both go a long way

[lapis lantern]

Aphro legendary is pretty sick tho

[cosmic steppe]

On any weapon really but daggers have multihits

Just that if you wish to maximize the huntress uptime you have to go for "committal" Regen boons as I call them

E.g. Zeus Demeter hera

[lapis lantern]

Wot other stuff is her attack or special good on?

[cosmic steppe]

Medea for atk, Persephone for special

[lapis lantern]

I actually don't play huntress a whole bunch atm

[cosmic steppe]

Any axe, esp the meli one

[winged zinc]

whats the best arcana setup for pom use?

[lapis lantern]

I play lovers I stead so I get queen

Its easy to take that I stead tho it's hi just change of one arcana

[cosmic steppe]

Meli daggers could've been goated if
a) Typhon could get backstabbed
b) backstab wasn't just another additive multiplier but an ares-minicrit-like effect with cd instead

Actually I want to do a set of Anubis runs that are neither Apollo nor hestia nor hera on atk, I wanna see all the colored circles

Just seen those 3 atp

Crazy though how Anubis atk with hera is just her cast but better

[fresh pivot]

Do Hera duos count as fodder for King's Ransom?

[glass bone]

If taken by Hera, Yes.

Same thing for Queen’s Ransom, and Duos taken by Zeus

[civic ocean]

Iirc typhon can get backstabbed but only by the specials?

[cosmic steppe]

Yuh

And even then, only with back burner (and if we are talking about any meaningful dmg, the straight firing o special is also required) bc iirc meli daggers only buff the atk

[lapis lantern]

I only found out today that when playing chAron u should focus on Ur special note than Ur cast ..

[austere trail]

I thought you should focus on cast boons more, especially omega cast

[cosmic steppe]

Eh, wouldn't say that, I'm fairly positive my first 24f up clear the only thing I got that touched specials was double o special tech

Open slot all the way through typhon

[lapis lantern]

Hmm I always play it by focusing on buffing my cast but a few people were talking a out it earlier and saying you need to really focus on Ur special

They sounded like they knew wot they were talking about lol , at least more than me

[cosmic steppe]

Also do u know that unless you get high rarity racing thoughts, omega charge dress or metallic droplet if you have the double o special hammer you can double proc your cast with it?

[lapis lantern]

Yeah I knew that I didn't know it wouldn't work with droplet etc

Also I saw today that zues or Hestia cast isn't good with Charon ?

[cosmic steppe]

Wait, might be applicable to racing thoughts only

Yeah if I understand the logic correctly the charge amplifiers shouldn't interfere, only racing thoughts

[lapis lantern]

I like to play posidon with Hera special

[cosmic steppe]

It increases the speed of the move itself potentially removing the window to put second cast

[lapis lantern]

Ok Ic, and using zues or Hestia cast is not good ? Really u want front loaded dmg casts u can buff a lot ?

[cosmic steppe]

Yes, they miss value from not being there for full duration

[lapis lantern]

Ok doke

I'm getting into Charon quite a bit it's fun

[cosmic steppe]

I mean, Zeus still is good if you get double strike and stuff

[lapis lantern]

I was playing Mel torches earlier and hex goes so so well with that build

Total eclipse every other second it was dope lol

[cosmic steppe]

If I don't get supernova I actually prefer to not take Poseidon cast despite it being optimal simply bc it has a low chance of pushing them out of ocast eruption

And every time a spindle survives and steals my gale charge because of that I get disproportionately upset

And when I don't take Poseidon I take zeus

[cosmic steppe]

I really ought to put mana sink build with meli torches at the top of my build backlog

Should also hunt for Demeter godsent along the way since it's the last one for my prophecy

[green prairie]

Whats a good daedalus hammer upgrade too look out for with aspect of medea skull

[lapis lantern]

Is hailstorm or double strike more valuable ?

[lapis lantern]

Yeah it's the only aspect I've really played in that way but it's insane how mana hungry it is.

[brave locust]

if you have a pet, can you still meet the other pets?

[lapis lantern]

Ingot an epic double strike and a hail storm which would proc ofd my cast

[lapis lantern]

Yeah

[brittle brook]

What weapon would you recommend doing an ares plasma build on?

[sterile gull]

its pretty fun with argent skull, basically becomes a machine gun

[signal coral]

Torch probably scales the best with attack speed

But it also is pretty magick hungry so its annoying to sustain with plasma

[brittle brook]

Well i could go for born gain and get universal donor right?

[signal coral]

Yeah, its just a very specific build

[lapis lantern]

I've found born again really needs decent rareity

[signal coral]

Rarity doesn't matter too much

Born gain wants max magick

It scales quadratically with your max magick because more magick means larger refreshes and more refreshes before you run out

[cosmic steppe]

If you're one of the three people who got John supergiants approval to see ares Lego then his Regen is actually the best in the game

[signal coral]

If you have like ~250-300 magick you will never run out even spamming the most magick intensive build vs surface bosses

[lapis lantern]

Yewy I always go for max magic with it but with decent rarity it's basically Infinite with lower rareity you need a lot of max to not run out on bosses

[signal coral]

If you find you dont have enough you can easily fix the issue with hecuba or silver wheel

200+ I think is reasonable for underworld, for surface i try for 250+

This is on magick intensive builds

Many builds need less than that

[cosmic steppe]

Btw if you're not running hecuba or meli staff then the only viable Regen on hubris is Poseidon right?

[signal coral]

Well most gains are viable

Hera gets a lot worse but if you were gonna go for hera gain you probably started hecuba

Or will take wheel before it matters

[cosmic steppe]

And by the way I believe it wasn't answered, does nimble limbs only apply to setting up the attack or is it faster tickrate too

[signal coral]

Zeus and dem get worse too

But are still workable

Other gain boons are still okay I think

[lapis lantern]

Yeah if I go Hera gain it's a magik hungry build but most of my builds are low or mid use and I like glamour gain or pos or Hestia

[cosmic steppe]

Legit never took floodgain

[viral yew]

Floodgain is actually really good

[dire shell]

yeah, it leaves out TWO parts that make it significantly better than it says... gotta bug that one day

[viral yew]

It's one of my favourite regens atm

[vital ledge]

apollo gain is pretty good since 1.0.
went from never picking it, except when I play charon, to "man, I need apollo or hera now!".
apollo was my least used god before 1.0 I believe.

[shy moat]

hmm

I've come to appreciate the axe omega attack after thinking it sucked for a while

But I still can't appreciate the third strike of its attack chain 😐

[viral yew]

3rd attack is not very good

[shy moat]

and there's that stupid trap hammer that makes the attack just be it.

And ruins the ability to use omega attack.

[viral yew]

Worst axe hammer fr

[shy moat]

by just existing it makes me afraid of Icarus' keepsake when using axe

[stable herald]

Yeah Axe is the only weapon where experimental hammer can really brick you

Maybe Staff if your build can't feed Mirrored Thrasher

[vital ledge]

medea -> hammer that shoots all skulls at once.
that is close to a brick... for me at least. very awkward to play!

[shy moat]

I actually liked it, meant I could do a full burst super fast every time

[stable herald]

Oh yeah skull has some bricky ones

Except Hel? But the Hel hammer that gives you double omega attacks is hilariously worthless

[shy moat]

...I just don't like the skull in general, so

except the Hel aspect that turns it into the wands

the persephone aspect feels so meh to me

[stable herald]

Me neither, but the hidden aspect may as well be a totally different weapon

Grenade Launcher or SMG

[vital ledge]

persephone is fun if you need a lot of invincibility. I think I got my first rivals chronos kill with it

[shy moat]

is it that much more invincibility than the default?

At least, it seemed like the default had a similar shield

[vital ledge]

if you do a lot of olympian damage, the bar fills up really quickly at the end of a run.
so over 50% of the time you are invincible or so. made up number

[shy moat]

is it that much more invincibility than the default though 😛

[vital ledge]

way more. yes

[shy moat]

well; I'll have to consider that as a skull to use I guess

probably just use Hel though

[brazen wasp]

so i am running thana scythe i got apollo attack and double attack now im choosing between epic rupture ring or epic secret crush

[viral yew]

Do you have origination up?

[distant root]

if you guys are ever feeling bad, remember that only 40% of players have cleared erebus at least once

[viral yew]

Yeah well i've only cleared 40f so i'm still buns compared to alot of people here

[vital ledge]

heh. maybe the other 60% died to the first "use your sprint tutorial" miniboss and quit.
that's how my first run went

[distant root]

smh haven't done 60 fear? might as well quit now

[viral yew]

That's what it feels like rn

[distant root]

my max is 16 lol, i'll get 32 and more eventually

[signal coral]

That achievement wasn't added until 1.0 and a lot of people probably bought the game in early access, played it, and then decided they didn't like it so they never came back for 1.0

[viral yew]

I've done almost all aspects 32 both routes and then i'm gonna start grinding high fear

[distant root]

ahh fair

[shy moat]

or just played it tons then

[viral yew]

(Max fear done by tomorrow trust)

[sage flame]

real

[signal coral]

I would not look at erebus achievement rate

If you want you can look at the proportion of people who have beaten erebus vs beaten chronos

Which should be a bit more accurate

[raw reef]

What would you guys consider to be a bad build?

[signal coral]

No boons

:^)

[vital ledge]

how it should be 👌
can still suffer once every aspect is "beaten"

[viral yew]

There is no bad build, only a lack of skill to win with it

[shy moat]

oh there are bad builds

[viral yew]

Time for my pos attack nergal run

[viral yew]

I just wanted to learn every aspect and weapon for a better understanding of the game instead of just playing the same few aspects

[shy moat]

a bad build is one that needs way more skill to succeed with than most builds 🙂

[raw reef]

I play with all melione aspects

[viral yew]

Well said

[vital ledge]

did the same in my EA file. pretty fun to play with """garbage""" aspects at times.
I still take 5x as much damage with medea and nergal as any other aspect

[sage flame]

bad build is the one where I choke and throw my run and a good build is when I lock in and win

simple as

[viral yew]

Shiva my beloved

[raw reef]

It depends on the gods I get and the weapon I’m using

[viral yew]

The lion does not concern herself with rerolls

[raw reef]

I need rerolls

All 8 of them

[sage flame]

the humble ||fates whim:||

[viral yew]

8?

[viral yew]

My goat fr

[vital ledge]

nergal: poseidon attack, hestia magick regen, poseidon sprint.
to make sure to never hit anyone as everything keeps flying out of range. and even if you hit something you barely get any magick back. 😂 thinking about how to make this worse right now

[raw reef]

I never pick up Poseidon or Hera

And I only use Apollo on the axe

[vital ledge]

aphro on the special and then the hammer to make your special ranged.
no cast boon? is there even a bad cast haha

[shy moat]

honestly some of the ranged cast boons are so clunky to target, I don't know what they did with the autotarget ranged cast but it feels way worse than it did in 1 (eg with Dio cast)

[raw reef]

For the cast i usually go for Aphro

[vital ledge]

I only noticed that with the hades ranged cast. misses half the time. hestia and zeus are pretty good or not?

[raw reef]

Yeah those are good too

[shy moat]

Zeus hits fast

All of them are ugh to aim quickly though, those boons are what I meant when I said the autoaim got worse from 1 to 2

[raw reef]

How do I unlock the 4th aspect i feel like I get a different answer from everyone

Do I just have to unlock all the ones available to me

[vital ledge]

have the other 3 aspects of the weapon unlocked. max out one of the non-mel aspects, talk to an NPC

[candid cobalt]

Guys how do people insta kill everything in sight with aspect of medea I'm on mouse and keyboard and I have no clue how to do the dash burst thingy any tips?

[raw reef]

I maxed out the Mel aspects 💀

[viral yew]

You only need nmare in the weapon

[vital ledge]

well, the upgrades for the other 2 cost nightmare only. so you didn't use the same ressources at least.

[steep galleon]

Left click and right click fast, train on skelly

[raw reef]

The only 4th aspect I want are the knives tbh everything else seems like I can do without

[candid cobalt]

Thanks:)

[sage flame]

yeah just attack -> special through enemies over and over (you have to aim with your mouse) and uhh get good boons and hammers

[lean yoke]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1nzc2l5/oh_no_not_again/

[lapis lantern]

Was circie the staff hidden aspects ? I can't remember now

[sage flame]

no

[cerulean panther]

The Staff's Hidden Aspect is ||Anubis||. Moros is an Aspect of the Torch.

[shy moat]

I think I misunderstood the question lol

[lapis lantern]

Lol

[median pawn]

why is hestia fire is capped...

[viral yew]

To stop certain things being broken, like freezer burn

[median pawn]

q_q

[viral yew]

And to nerf it

[median pawn]

that explains why my cast builds with circe didnt work as fine

morrigan+hestia is really fun though

should probably try posedion attack with it

[viral yew]

Circe works best with zeus, and pos is good on mog

[median pawn]

I will mog typhon

[stable herald]

They capped it at the same time they buffed the numbers and tick rate, it was generally worse except Freezer Burn tbh

[vital ledge]

need to get the hestia boon to make scorch tick faster. not sure how it's called in english. otherwise more scorch does nothing at all (except freezer burn)

[cerulean panther]

Pyro Technique.

[median pawn]

snuffed candle is by far the most fun one imo

[stable herald]

Pyro Technique has anti-synergy with Freezer Burn, unless you also get Burning Desire in which case you're cooking with gas

[median pawn]

if its capped at 999 whats the point of pyro tech

[viral yew]

It doesn't do more damage the more you stack it, just does the same damage for longer

[stable herald]

Hestia/Demeter/Aphrodite/Zeus is the duo boon dream team on torches imo

[cerulean panther]

That's not cooking with gas, that's cooking with antimatter annilhilation.

[lapis lantern]

Wot other than zues is really good on Mel torches attack ?

I always take zues and wanna mix it up a bit

[austere trail]

hera sworn strike

[lapis lantern]

Nice wot do you take with it for cast etc

[median pawn]

what does buying the fate incantation do

the one that needs 7 time sand and 7 typhon thingy

[austere trail]

I don't really focus on casts but if I find Demeter then I get hers
after Hera though I would try for Poseidon's ocean swell

[lapis lantern]

Rests the seed

Aight awesome Ty and go line and try the duo

[stable herald]

Lets you reroll the run seed by saluting the Oath of Night, so if you restart a run you won't open with the same rewards

Resets the pity timer for NPC encounters tho

[median pawn]

OHH thats so nice actually

so you dont have to die if you got a build you didnt want

neat

[low elk]

quick question, what are the best boons for the black coat hidden aspect? I never play black coat so I'm clueless

[median pawn]

I was going to ask the same thing

and which familiar

[viral yew]

Apollo on special, pos/aphro on attack

Familiar is hecuba

[low elk]

Got it, the attack I could mostly guess since it's all up close, it's what to put on the special that had me confused

[stable herald]

I like Hera on the special too, but mostly because I like her on the Gain too

Very magick hungry weapon, so pick a string gain

[rare brook]

What combines well with staff aspect of circe?

[viral yew]

Apollo and pos gain work very well here

[viral yew]

Zeus cast

[low elk]

Would the Aphrodite gain work well since I'll always be up close with enemies?

[viral yew]

No, not fast enough

[low elk]

Ah, ok. Thank you!

[lean crypt]

so if i'm using the new keepsakes, which do i start with?

[median pawn]

how do you play shiva? you special then you run in?

[lean crypt]

cuz it feels like both ||calling card and jeweled pom|| wanna be picked riht at the start

[median pawn]

||the pom is the best one by far||

[viral yew]

More or less

[median pawn]

how do you charge the thingy

[lean crypt]

card looks pretty nice too tbh

[median pawn]

when its ranked up I suppose

[viral yew]

Stand in the special

[median pawn]

I might have lost the ability to read

ty

[split igloo]

wait did they bring back the gattling gun gimmick

thats my favourite hades weapon by far

shoot yourself with a rocket and then go to town

[median pawn]

something like it

[uneven palm]

Kinda, you stay in the O special and then your next O attack has more damage

[dire shell]

How do I make the ||coat|| special and attack at the same time? It doesn’t seem consistent

[viral yew]

Which aspect

[lapis lantern]

Thanks for the Hera and oven swell on torches was a fun build

[dire shell]

Does it matter? Right now ||Nyx||

[viral yew]

you can press special in between attacks

[glass bone]

Alternatively there is the hammer Launcher Frame.

[uneven palm]

Tap special attack. You can punch while rockets are flying

Special attack attack repeat is the rotation I like

[obtuse schooner]

For Hex upgrades, does the nodes like the +5% damage boosts this encounter stack whenever you use the hex?

[civic ocean]

Isnt it special dash attack special dash attack

[dire shell]

Oh. Interesting, so here’s no animation cancel or anything?

[viral yew]

No there is just very little endlag on the specials

[civic ocean]

You can act as soon as the rockets come out

[median pawn]

okay shiva is so strong wtf I dont even have origination

[glass bone]

Yeah, Shiva’s only problems atm are really only felt at high fear (Wards, potential position problems, and Magick regen)

The combo of OSpecial OAttack is huge Boss bursting damage.

And you can still spam regular Special at lower fears to your hearts content.

[viral yew]

It peaks at 32 fear and that's pretty much it

[glass bone]

I mean Shiva can clear 62 Fear UW

But I do feel like at 32 it is super strong depending on your vows.

[median pawn]

shiva feels like a cheat code

[viral yew]

Any aspect can clear 62, some are just easier than others

[viral yew]

The aoe and omega damage is really nice to have

[rare brook]

It does feel that weapons and aspects are more balanced than Hades 1. Maybe expect for blades, they seem too risky

[viral yew]

Blades are really good, and yeah overall each aspect is very viable within the scope of the normal game, more than the first one anyway (except mel axe I hate mel axe)

[rare brook]

I do like axe, but mostly Thanatos for now, cause the AS buff feels so good

[uneven palm]

Use specials more, then blades are less risky

[rare brook]

I do plan going for pan aspect and trying to unlock the hidden one

[viral yew]

I like the other 3 axes, just not mel lmao

[median pawn]

I wasn't familar with shiva's play I apologize

[junior dome]

i konw its probably more complicated, but does strike damage generally apply in the order
(attack base power + applicable power bonus) * (1+ applicable bonus %s)
?

[rare brook]

I like boated explenation of aspects: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D34dQFnmBj8

[viral yew]

Alot of people still don't like it cause of how it was released but it's actually good now

[median pawn]

I've seen 1800 dmg on typhon without applying origination im sold

[shy moat]

how much setup time did that take

[median pawn]

not much

[shy moat]

I've gotten 4k+ freezer burns for instance >.>

[median pawn]

I was dealing 1500 dmg with aphro attack

[median pawn]

if it wasnt capped q_q

[uneven palm]

That’s about it

[median pawn]

how do I get chaos to offer "chant"? do I need an infusion boon before?

[uneven palm]

You need either his infusion or a duo

[viral yew]

The haelian one is good too, although boated put more aspects in s which i agree with more

Interesting that he put nergal in B, haelian put it in S

Same with supay, very interesting

[median pawn]

which run boon for SUPAY

[viral yew]

Doesn't really matter

[median pawn]

I meant supay

[viral yew]

Ah, posiedon

[shy moat]

...maybe it drops off at higher fear or something but it feels weird that Momus is B

[viral yew]

Momus deserves B

[shy moat]

why?

[viral yew]

Got nerfed

[junior dome]

also, do effects like extended family and evil eye buff things like scorch and blitz (additively, but probably a big difference since those tend not to have % bonus) and also your attacks (probably less impact there because those already have a high % bonus)?

[shy moat]

you can still alternate through omegas timing it to get a new one right after the automatic followup and triggering crit chance from arcana

versus just Melinoe being S tier but only boosting specials?

[uneven palm]

Extended Family is just for the flat/Olympian damage (scorch and blitz are in that category). Evil Eye is global and boosts both added and weapon damage.

Eye’s kinda jank tho nearly always the Lion Fang is gonna be better overall fwiw

[dire shell]

Oh this probably levels up pretty good, eh? 30 isn’t great right now

[uneven palm]

Yeah Fang gets to 50 ranked up, which usually means you have like 25% for the end boss. So that’s close to the eye but also it boosts your damage against everything on the way to the boss and the adds

[west thunder]

What do you mean by jank? Iirc fang will drop to a lower percentage than eye by the final boss no matter what rooms you take

Nvm you sent that right before

The question of what you meant by jank still stands though

Like does it not work correctly?

[uneven palm]

I mean it’s not great

It works fine, I just wouldn’t take it over the fang if they’re ranked

[lean crypt]

whats the best familiar for circe staff?

[junior dome]

those % to everything items are still additiv right?
if your weapon has +100% and tooth adds +20% you get 120%?

[uneven palm]

Toula or Raki

All +% are additive

[shy moat]

correct, their big value is when they boost things that don't normally get boosts

[west thunder]

It’s worth noting fang can definitely get below 25% if you take optional rooms in Tartarus. And in summit, there’s 6 encounters before Typhon I think, so that’s 20%

[uneven palm]

Yeah, it’s a little less good on summit but 10% difference is whatever and it boosts your damage the whole way up

[viral yew]

Mel aspect was used to beat max fear, momus is alot harder to get good value out of

[shy moat]

okay so it is a high fear tier list

[viral yew]

No, mel aspect is still better

Across the range, not just in high fear

[shy moat]

Momus is very good for those of us who are less great at dodging and need to fire off an attack then get away, it will keep hammering things that aren't moving or that are corner pulled into it

[viral yew]

Requires less building

[viral yew]

Momus is great until you realise enemies can move, cast can't cover every enemy

[shy moat]

Oh god thank you for telling me I only cleared through rival chronos with Momos but never noticed enemies moving 😮

and it was one of the easiest runs I've had in the game

[viral yew]

I'm not saying momus is bad, the other staff aspects are just better

[shy moat]

which doesn't mean it deserves a B when compared to other weapons

perhaps Staff is just brokenly good >.>

[viral yew]

It's good in B

[shy moat]

it's easier to use than charon axe

[viral yew]

Basically yes

[median pawn]

I love bodying ||zag|| so much

[west thunder]

B sounds correct for Momus. It’s been powercrept quite a bit

[viral yew]

I find it harder, but i play more charon than I do momus

[median pawn]

especially when he doesnt come in erebus and somewhere else

[split igloo]

staff is op??? since when

[shy moat]

is there any way to see what set of upgrades a hex will have at selection?

...some of these vary wildly in effectiveness based on what's available

[viral yew]

SInce 1.0

[split igloo]

oh so recently

[viral yew]

It's random

[shy moat]

bleh

[viral yew]

yeah mel aspect staff beat max fear

[split igloo]

whats the gameplay loop with it?

[viral yew]

Get a good curse on the attack, like blitz or freeze, and aphro or hera on the special

[full pike]

next to my mana bar(forgot the name for it) there is a circle with a 20% what is that?stupid question ik

[viral yew]

spam specials and attacks

[uneven palm]

Reminder that tier lists are engagement bait. It’s fine to use what you like

[viral yew]

aspect of than crit chance

[split igloo]

i always found the special to be weird to use

[median pawn]

isnt pom keepsake a little bit overtuend

[viral yew]

what do you mean my opinion isn't factually correct 100% of the time

[viral yew]

Yes

[full pike]

wait thans aspect has cr?it doesnt say there or am i remembering wrong?it just does mortality and faster atk

[viral yew]

Mortality is the crit lmfao

[surreal hazel]

Mortality is omega crit

[full pike]

im braindead mb

thx guys

[surreal hazel]

Dorp

[static badger]

has anyone cleared full fear on the surface?

just curious

everything i try to search for says last year

[viral yew]

Not yet, just underworld

[median pawn]

killed chronos in 55 seconds

it was low fear but still

[static badger]

I was killed by Cronos in 55 seconds

[median pawn]

happens to best of us

[static badger]

got hit with the insta kill when a minion was standing in the way and wouldn't budge

otherwise was blazing through him

[shy moat]

it's somewhat funny, I rather enjoy the vow that prevents me re-selecting boons if I don't choose them. And I get 2 fear for it.

[static badger]

id rather the boons i don't choose go away too

8 fear is nothing

[shy moat]

I just leave that one on permanently

[rare brook]

From boated I've learned that melone staff is pretty good. So far I have slow start with it, but once I get boons and hammers, just dash-strike -> special combo clears rooms like it's nothing

[static badger]

Hecate unrivalled is still easy

[rare brook]

Also for medea skull anything that I should look particular?

[static badger]

and the one that might pull enemies from other regions is fine

i still want to enjoy my time in the run so i only pick the first timer

i mean i could rush in and do it all in less than 20 minutes

but sometimes Cronos drags on and on

at least compared to cerberus

[rare brook]

ATM I'm unlocking stuff, so I have other regions mobs permanent and for now guardians (still need to unlock 3rd and 4th fear option)

[static badger]

i melt him in less than 45 seconds now

[limpid spear]

Yes, to find builds I'd recommend:
https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide he's covered strategy for every single aspect
Google - Mobalytics Hades 2 - Myself and few other players have been uploading in depth build guides there.
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/Ladder is the best collection of builds people have used for high clear fears. There's not that many submitted for 1.0 yet, but if you select EA you'll see a ton for each weapon.

[dire shell]

For Nyx coat, I’m confused about the doubling. I’m not doing any extra damage to skelly after triggering?

[uneven palm]

So the nightspawn can’t actually hit multiple things. You can safe magick on solo baddies

[dire shell]

Oh, they go backwards-ish?

So upgrading this aspect is actually not great?

[uneven palm]

Sorry I phrased that poorly you can’t get multiple hits on the same enemy.

You’re upgrading it for room clear basically, at which it excels

[dire shell]

Ah, so it’s still worth it? I’m sitting on 20 nightmare and I’m not sure what to do with it lol

[uneven palm]

It’s a strong aspect, but imo you kinda want on-hit effects on attack/special so the nightspawn’s damage doesn’t really matter much

If you’ve got 20 nightmare spend it lol

[burnt pollen]

aspect of charon and lucid gain is like the freest win ever its crazy

[dire shell]

I know, right? Have to figure out on what though! All the aspects seem pretty fun

Except Pan. Pan sucks.

[shy moat]

Pan could be so much better if it didn't have the "endless orbit" it could do

[dire shell]

Needing to fire them off immediately after a non-omega cast or it runs out is just… what.

[sour cape]

Circe is my fav cast aspect!

[dire shell]

Maybe it’s just me but that kind of limitation does not fit Melinoë’s kit at all

[sour cape]

Pan overnerfed

At least its not Momus and deleted/reworked 😂

[dire shell]

I didn’t play EA but it definitely doesn’t feel like it works

Oh? What happened to Momus? I like that one so far

[sour cape]

EA Pan was really good

[burnt pollen]

the momus ea was funny

[sour cape]

Momus used to be just brokeb

[burnt pollen]

could literally be blind and 32 fear with momus

[dire shell]

What did it do? lol

[sour cape]

it doubled your specials and they had base 40 power

[dire shell]

Oh wow haha

[shy moat]

Momus also gets really nice if you get the attacks twice but cost 5 energy hammer

[sour cape]

And Poseidon had like base 40 dmg rider

Pan just got a lot of direct and indirect nerfs

[shy moat]

I tried to like pan. The similar build with the arrows in 1 was one of my favorites.

But too many times with the omega just ending up in orbit around the enemy

[sour cape]

One that no one really talks about is Sorceress nerf. It used to be Eternity that lasted for 4s.

And really helped Pan since you could fully channel while bemeies slowed

[shy moat]

do boons that make enemies "take" +X% damage multiply with the normal boons that add damage dealt?

I'd expect Glow/whatever that aphrodite one is/Gigaros Dash to all multiply

[civic ocean]

All damage % is additive except for ares crits and regular crits

[shy moat]

...they need to rename those then

or reword them, because the current phrasing usually means something different

[civic ocean]

What is the difference between you dealing more damage and something taking more damage that makes them multiply?

[shy moat]

I deal more damage = all my "deal more damages" get stacked together into a sum, then that strikes the enemy who then takes more damage, which multiplies the added sum

one is on me, one is on the enemy

often games will have those in separate pools even if additive within the same pool

...I mean, "Attack" and "Special" being keywords is already nightmarish for readability

[civic ocean]

This is what happens except it’s a sum of multipliers. You deal 100% more they take 50% more so whatever it is deals 150% of its power

[shy moat]

I'm saying: It's common practice when different keywords are used that they multiply, while within the same keyword it's additive.

So "Your X deals Y% more damage" would all add together, then the final result multiplies by the bonus from "Enemy receives X% more damage" -> if I deal +100% more and they take +30% more, I would expect them to receive 260% not 230% total damage

[civic ocean]

But in this case you have invented a keyword

“You deal more damage to the enemy” and “the enemy takes more damage from you” is the same thing just with the words rearranged

[shy moat]

It's not "the enemy takes more damage from me" it's "the enemy receives more damage"

it's not the same word

[civic ocean]

From who???

Like there is only one input and one output here

[shy moat]

You're trying to reinterpret it to make it the same to win this argument, but the game has "Attack" be different from "Attacks" so the exact wording does matter

[civic ocean]

Yes because those are keywords that the game’s codex tells you about

[shy moat]

if it's the same it should read "You deal X% bonus damage to foes afflicted with this"

because that's the standard phrasing

[civic ocean]

Yes it could be phrased like that but it is functionally the same thing

[shy moat]

there's zero reason to have a weird phrase for just a few hexes, it makes them look much better than expected

[civic ocean]

There isn’t really a weird phrase here though it’s like reasonably easy to understand the difference as soon as you understand that O attack and attack are both attacks and that all % damage is additive are like both consistent across the game

[shy moat]

I think I understand how it ended up launching to v1.0 with such hard to read descriptions

[civic ocean]

There’s a lot of difficult to understand stuff with the game’s mechanics but I really like the decision to make all % damage additive

That way it’s much easier to understand

[shy moat]

yes, that's a good decision.

I'm solely complaining about how it's described.

[shy moat]

more importantly it's actually possible to balance

[vernal shuttle]

what the FRICK! Chronos turns me into a CHILD!! Please tell me if I dodged everything there the fight was over

[civic ocean]

Nope

[shy moat]

no but it's not much longer after

[vernal shuttle]

man, young mel has not motion either 😭

[edgy nacelle]

the fight was basically over.
it's technically possible to die after you're no longer a baby but it's very, VERY hard lol

[civic ocean]

Did it on a 51f attempt actually

Forgot the first ball has hands

[edgy nacelle]

I died in that phase during a 40f attempt lmao, to the first ball because I forgot- yeah what you said lol

hubris...

[shy moat]

yey first rivals chronos and typhon with momos

[lean yoke]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1nzt1bg/okay_so_like_what_the_frick/

there is no escape

[shy moat]

it gets better on future runs

[lapis lantern]

Wot do you guys take for Persephone?

[glass bone]

Heph Blasts

Go Heph Attack, Aphro Special, Scorch Cast / Cardio Gain, and Blinding Rush, and get all the Heph Duos

[lapis lantern]

Ok nice

[glass bone]

But in truth, the main part is the Blasts, so it’s which ever blast cooldown is lowest

[lapis lantern]

But cos of the +on boons should be nice

[glass bone]

The alt build is that Aphro Special and going for spamming the Sprouted

[lapis lantern]

So as it's blasts do u not care so much for the special ?

I've played very little heph

[edgy nacelle]

heph special is fine, it's higher damage but takes more poms to reach the minimum cooldown
on persephone skull specifically I usually want blast on attack though, and something else on special to make use of the sprouted special. it can deal a lot of damage with a good dmg% boon or splash or something 🤷 and the weapon incentivizes you to use it more rarely so it can charge up

[lapis lantern]

Awesome gonna give it a try now. Have hardly played heph

[edgy nacelle]

if you're building around heph blasts then apollo and hestia are the main duos to look out for, but demeter and poseidon also have good ones, so getting one of them on the special can work fine too!
idk, blasts are pretty forgiving, hestia duo and some poms alone already makes them go crazy

[lapis lantern]

Yeah awesome Ty for detailed info !

Raki for blasts right ? They can crit ?

[spiral wadi]

ye

[lapis lantern]

Always possed array ?

It's really good but so magik hungry

[torn plinth]

If i get posessed array i usually go all in on magick regen

Ill get one of the better gain boons n some max magick

[past salmon]

Run Pom and see where life takes you

[lapis lantern]

Yeah I guess u get some really high lvl boons with pom and persef

[inland pumice]

quick question for this run I'm on right now, I have an option to get the Artemis boon "Lethal Snare", which says "Foes in your Casts may take Critical damage from your Attacks." Would this critical chance also be added to blast effects from Hephaestus? I have a blast effect on my attack right now.

[cerulean panther]

I don't think so, no.

[spiral wadi]

finally discovered that there's apparently a selene statue that's what i saw in the game trailer

no wonder it's useless

[rare brook]

So for Pan aspect poseidon special and then leg poseidon is still way to go? And if possible then Poseidon - Ares duo?

[edgy nacelle]

yeah pretty much, altho Pan feels a lot weaker + more janky than it used to.
or just hope you get trick knives from a Daedalus Hammer, and then you can do all sorts of other builds lol
Scorch is also an option if you want a chance of pace

[cerulean panther]

Poseidon Special is dead on Pan if you don't have Trick Knives. A cooldown to wave procs was implemented in The Unseen Update, so Omega Specials are pretty weak.

[rare brook]

But why?

[safe magnet]

Does smolder ring work on Typhon? I didn't see any numbers come up for it. I had Controlled Burn as well

[edgy nacelle]

I mean is there a better thing to do with Pan tho? iirc they lowered the cooldown in 1.0, so while it's nothing like old Pan it still takes advantage of the multihit decently.
it's just kind of a worse weapon period, but if you're playing it without trick knives splash is still like.... fine

[mint nexus]

I have my 6 builds for each weapon and their names, thoughts?
Starting with:

Burning Ankh

Anubis Staff
Flame Strike
Arctic Ring
Freezer Burn
Arctic Gale
Glamour Gain
Burning Desire
Heaven Flourish
Pyro Technique

[safe magnet]

argh apparently the issue is with any of the ranged casts. It stops them from affecting Typhon

[mint nexus]

Depth Charge

Pan Knives
Wave Flourish
Slipper Slope
Scalding Vapor
King Tide
Arterial Spray
Exceptional Talent

Whirling Dervish

Supay Torches
Flame Flourish
Heaven Strike
Glamour Gain
Burning Desire
Air Quality
Thermal Dynamics

Pyro Technique
OR
Arctic Ring
Freezer Burn

Comet Bash

Nergal Mace
Vicious Strike
Grisly Gain
Profuse Bleeding
Visceral Impact
Sanguinary Savor
Universal Donor
Success Rate

[rare brook]

So what are good sisterr blade aspects?

I mean technically all of them are good, just which are easier to manage

[edgy nacelle]

the hidden one is by far the best imo, and most people seem to agree

which is a shame since you need to invest nightmares in a non-hidden one to get it lmao

[rare brook]

I think I have pan maxed out, so I need to catch Artmeis a few times to get the hidden aspect

[mint nexus]

I thought everyone agreed hidden blades were kinda trash?

[edgy nacelle]

???? what
idt I've seen anyone say that at all, are you sure?

I might ask in #h2-discussion because I feel like every time blades come up the consensus is "they're all bad other than morrigan"

[mint nexus]

Maybe that was only when the Unseen Update first came out

[edgy nacelle]

even then they were quite good, they haven't rly been changed much. they're not as easy to play as some things because of the combo but they're very strong 🤷

[mint nexus]

I’m particularly curious about this build’s viability

Cremation Freezer

Hel Skull
Flame Strike
Ice Flourish
Glamour Gain
Burning Desire
Freezer Burn
Pyro Technique

[visual moat]

Is starting out with Aspect of Selene and picking the moon beam with 20 heat (vow of pain, grit menance and rivals) setting up for failure cause this is very hard and i've lost twice

[mint nexus]

And this one, I’ve tried these the least

Simple Destruction

Shiva Coat
Flutter Strike
Extra Dose
Success Rate

[visual moat]

I lost with shiva as well

[edgy nacelle]

I think the vows you picked for fear include some of the harder ones tbh
pain especially is rough, and grit can be too. I'd throw some onto the timer or hubris instead personally.
Selene* is also... just okay? it takes a while to get going and it can be a bit slow while channeling, it's not bad and starting with moon beam is often the move but it's not an "easy win every time" aspect

[visual moat]

Wait I've checked it and its vow of grit max, vow of return max, vow of hordes max and vow of rivals max

[edgy nacelle]

yeah, grit and hordes are both rough!

[visual moat]

Time has me stressed out so I'd rather not pick that