h2-builds-and-combat

[viral yew]

Same reason, strength is better, you can 100% use judgement for your lower fear runs but it falls off hard later so I wouldn't recommend using it all the time unless you never plan on playing high fear

[split quest]

Maybe I'm just too stupid to use it but isn't Aspect of Medea supposed to be like one of the best in the game? I can't do anything with it really. Granted it's "only" Rank 4 but that shouldn't be the big difference, right?

[viral yew]

It is the best in the game

[tall notch]

I mean you do get 3 free points of fear just by playing judgement so even if it were a handicap compared to an optimal arcana setup, you are getting something in exchange for handicapping yourself

[brazen echo]

The way to play Medea is attack -> special -> attack -> special in quick succession

[split quest]

yeah I know

but for some reason it doesn't deal that much dmg

what kidn of build am I looking? I usually put Zeus on special

[brazen echo]

If you play controller you just slide your thumb over attack and special to do it really quickly

yeah zeus on special and a percentage god on attack

[tall notch]

actually can someone explain what makes Medea even close to best aspect in the game outside of speedrunning? sure it hits hard but it's just so unsafe to be ramming into enemies all the time with that special

[viral yew]

Aphro is best

[viral yew]

Highest damage in shortest time, it's far from the safest and you need to be intimately familiar with the weapon and every attack the game can throw at you

Just consistent big damage

[small hawk]

its better now that o special gives invuln right?

[brazen echo]

if you priotize safety then nergal is the best aspect in the game

[tall notch]

Yeah but I said outside of speedrunning, highest dps seems like the only draw of the weapon when you could play something that also hits hard but doesn't force you into the ultra unsafe playstyle

[viral yew]

Outside of speedrunning I'd say nergal, moros, or circe

Even mel staff

[tall notch]

(Btw, I'm not trying to argue with you specifically oreo lady, you're not the first person to call Medea the best weapon and I'm always baffled when people say that)

[brazen echo]

nergal and moros do need to solve their mana though

[tall notch]

I wouldn't even put it in the same tier as non-Momus staves or torches

[brazen echo]

which is harder to do at high fear

[viral yew]

For normal players probably not

[tall notch]

tbh Moros magick isn't that hard to sort out assuming you play Hecuba and don't click things like fine line

[brazen echo]

but that's the fun of omega builds tho

[viral yew]

Alot of people (including me half the time) only consider the balance around going as fast as possible at high fear

[fluid flare]

Whats the combo for aspect of morrigan

And what's the recommended build for it

[tall notch]

that actually explains a lot

[viral yew]

Dash attack, oattack, special

[viral yew]

All the aspects are good and can be used quite easily at 32f

[split quest]

Anything else? Like some Duo or Hammer to aim for?

[viral yew]

Zeus on attack and hestia/Demeter on special works well for me

[tall notch]

yeah at 32f you could probably just play without an aspect and do fine

[chilly swift]

Going for Rivals 3 for the first time in the Underworld, would Aspect of Nergal rank 4 be good for that?

[viral yew]

Given that's the most the game rewards you for that's what everything is balanced around

[chilly swift]

Dash with a special during is also good, followed by a point blank* omega attack. That pops triad instantly

[brazen echo]

Speaking of which, any tips on how to play around vow of denial? Tried to aim for Apollo legendary along with the usual omega attack boons but ended up with something that barely procced origination

[tall notch]

uhhhhh I'd suggest don't play around legendaries with denial on, if you get one it happens and can be nice but trying too hard to aim for a legendary is a sure way to screw yourself over

[viral yew]

Yeah if you play denial say goodbye to legendaries and most duos

[brazen echo]

duly noted

it really does make you consider what boons are actually good and which ones are bad

[tall notch]

Duos are a fair bit more plausible than legendaries, the pre-req isn't as hard to reach

[tardy mural]

hey, does anyone know if ||chronos|| p2 counts as a new encounter for the purposes of hydraulic might?

(idk if i need to spoiler tag these things sorry)

i would guess no but would be happy to be proven wrong :3

[sage flame]

oh yeah this remind me

[viral yew]

The vow was much funnier until they actually patched it

[viral yew]

No

[frigid tartan]

Guys, any particular guideline on when to start using Rivals vow for fear? I'm still completing runs that ask only for 2 - 4 fear and stumbled upon this guide https://www.reddit.com/r/Hades2/comments/1j84lrj/a_fundamentals_guide_to_high_fear_by_a_50_fear/ which seems pretty detailed but it's not updated with Rival vow, so where would rivals fit into the best progression of fear?

[chilly swift]

I'm wondering this as well^

[tall notch]

it depends. What is your end-goal when it comes to fear pushing?

[frigid tartan]

I've been increasing fear little by little, with the recommendation of which vows impact difficulty the least.

Just completing testaments so far

[sage flame]

does exceptional talent say it only doubles attacks on all torches? or just eos? instead of saying omega attack and omega special get doubled

[tall notch]

Rivals affects the difficulty quite a bit for Underworld on each one of its ranks and for Surface 1-2 doesn't do a whole lot but rivals 3 does suddenly make the run a fair bit more challenging

[frigid tartan]

I know that by the end you pretty much have to have a lot of them turned on, but I'm asking about the progression. For example that guide states that menace and time are pretty free fear, so I'm using those first, but the guide is not updated to rivals, hence why I'm wondering where would different levels of rivals fit in fear linear progression of easier to harder vows

[viral yew]

This is certainly a tricky one

I would turn them on as early as possible, but coldshade has more experience so idk

[sage flame]

hey! they made rivals eris slightly harder (lol)

[sacred storm]

rivals isn't free by any means but the fights are learnable and fun, and imo are one of the more fun ways to spice up a run

[stable herald]

What I'll say about this guide is that you shouldn't do Rivals and Frenzy together until you're really confident

Otherwise, my 20 Fear setup for Nightmare farming is basically Rivals 4, Menace, and Fangs. Just gotta get good at the bosses

[viral yew]

I only ever done rivals 1 and 2 for 32f but apparently I have a weird fear setup so

[brazen echo]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide#the-oath-of-the-unseen-fear There's a fear section on this guide that I've been following, seems pretty linear for difficulty progression

[sage flame]

omg unexplainedbacn guide

[sage flame]

nahhh send it, keep frenzy 2 on all the time 🔥

[viral yew]

Nah always have frenzy 2 on for rivals

[chilly swift]

I follow that guide too generally, but even at 32 fear that one only recommends rivals 2

[viral yew]

Oh fr? I might be goated

[tall notch]

(this is for Underworld since I barely have any experience with fear on Surface and don't want to give wrong advice) Rivals 1 and 2 are both pretty big difficulty spikes, especially for the amount of fear they provide. Unless you just want to turn them on asap to get used to the fights, I'd wait with Rivals until you've already gone through all the easy vows

[frigid tartan]

Also keeping in mind that rivals seems to advance interactions or not? There's a prophecy linked to it, is that all?

[chilly swift]

Personally I'm sort of wondering when to progress each rank of rivals. I'm up to 12 fear for each testament on all weapons, and have only done rivals 2 for both routes up until now. It feels like it's time to try rivals 3 for me. Would Aspect of Nergal (rank 4) be a good weapon for trying Rivals 3 in the Underworld for the first time?

[brazen echo]

tbh rivals is it's own monster i think. it's going to be a difficulty spike regardless of if you turn it on at 2 fear or 32 fear

because you gotta relearn the fight from the ground up anyway

[sacred storm]

the rivals fights are different enough that i'd honestly suggest approaching each one for the first time with the mindset of learning their patterns first and actually winning second

[frigid tartan]

Maybe better to turn on rivals after I've already beaten underworld and surface a bunch?

I've beaten underworld 4 times and surface 2 times

[chilly swift]

I've beaten underworld and surface about 20 times each now so I have no excuse I guess, lol

[brazen echo]

oh you're still really early then

[viral yew]

Underworld rivals are miles harder than surface rivals imo

[brazen echo]

just turn them on when you get bored fighting normal hecate and polyphemus

[viral yew]

I've cleared all aspects at 32f on underworld and they're still harder

[sage flame]

lowkey kinda real

[frigid tartan]

Yeah, I've been doing fear runs every run since they unlocked, but so far testaments only ask for 1 - 4

So far every fight except prometheus and the final fights is a walk i nthe park (With the ocassional scylla miscalculation that results in getting hit)

[tall notch]

Rivals 1 on Underworld is some of the hardest 2 points of fear you could add to the run, thoughts on that chat?

[viral yew]

Oh absolutely, rivals hecate can really slap you round

[brazen echo]

Is there a trick to figuring out which Hecate is real

[viral yew]

Any curses will carry over to her

[tall notch]

audio cues and curses you applied to her earlier

[chilly swift]

Weirdly I don't find Rivals Hecate that much harder. Rivals sirens seems like a huge bump though, I usually lose a DD or two there

[viral yew]

Use strength

[split quest]

Yeah I have to say switching to Strength has been so big for me

DD is a scam

[sage flame]

I think rivals hecate is like putting on hordes when you have other fear on, it sorta just compounds all your other run issues to be even harder, especially timer, but the damage threat isn't too bad unless you're trying to rush

[chilly swift]

I still need to upgrade it unfortunately, it's my next priority though

[brazen echo]

i was skeptical at first but yeah strength is mad insane

though i hear DD is the play for higher fear

[frigid tartan]

I also switched to strength and my win% increased temendously

[viral yew]

Everyone is

[brazen echo]

strength was the first thing i upgraded and then origination

[viral yew]

Only at 40+ when you have to start reducing your healing

[tall notch]

there's also a few more Rivals Hecate tells I noticed:

• if one of them is chasing you, it's probably real Hecate
• if one of them is using a different ability to the others, it's probably real Hecate
• if there are two Hecates to each other and one further away, the further away one is probably real

[sage flame]

generally yeah but strength also generally works

[frigid tartan]

I was scared about my first strength typhon, but after knowing the patterns in the first encounter, strength carried me the 2nd and 3rd fights

[uneven palm]

Stereo headphones can give away the real Hecate too

If she’s chatty

[viral yew]

I don't play with audio i go off of vibes

[tall notch]

my speakers seem to do the trick too

maybe thats a glasses wearer thing but I actually hate gaming with headphones, it just feels uncomfortable for longer sessions

[chilly swift]

As a fellow glasses wearer, I feel this. I found one headset that's comfortable with glasses and have been using the same model for like 10 years because of it. EPOS Game ONE

[viral yew]

I just don't really like most of the music/sound in the game

[uneven palm]

A lot of headphones are pinchy yea. Took me a while to find comfy ones

[cinder palm]

Some curses like scorch also stay on her when she tp so you know which one is the real one too

[tall notch]

my hyperx clouds is the closest I've gotten to comfort but even then I wouldn't wanna wear them for hours

[viral yew]

Yeah I alr said that

[cinder palm]

Also anyone hates the fact that you can't see typhon's hp? Legit take out lile half the fun of a good build when you can't see the hp bar melt

[chilly swift]

Most cuffs are just way too stiff, not comfy at all with glasses. The EPOS Game One has a soft, velvety (and replaceable) cuff with a lot of give, also semi-open ear so you can still hear yourself and stuff going on around you. Sound quality's great too, I produce music while wearing these

[viral yew]

Makes it way more fun imo

[tall notch]

Sam are you sponsored by Sennheiser by any chance? /j

[cinder palm]

Maybe typhon just sucks as a boss for me ngl gotta be the worst boss jn the game for me

[chilly swift]

I feel like normally there would be an incantation to make the HP visible, I was surprised there wasn't! The various phases help though. The final phase is the longest (after the second eggs), he has like 40% of his HP left after that

[cinder palm]

He just doesn't do anything interesting, the fact that his rival boss fight just bring in a better boss is a sign lol

[tall notch]

I'll be honest I don't like Typhon that much either, the later phases just feel like a DPS check more than anything else

[chilly swift]

Just tryna help, I really feel the pain of headset + glasses, it's always been a major problem for me too

[sage flame]

wtf

[cinder palm]

The whole fight felt like a dps check either he kills you with his inflated dmg or you kill him first with yours

[viral yew]

38%

[chilly swift]

Should I go for Apollo or Demeter on attack with Nergal rank 4, trying Underworld Rivals 3 for the first time?

[viral yew]

It's well made and wonderfully artistic, i just personally do not enjoy it

[cinder palm]

Apollo is the choice get artic ring for freeze

[chilly swift]

Roger, also do you guys think Time 2 would be stressful with Underworld Rivals 3? I saw someone saying earlier it slows down runs quite a bit, though I always finish Underworld in between 16-20mins normally

[cinder palm]

Nah time 2 is fine if you are low on it just fig leaf

[tall notch]

Do you happen to know how much it usually takes you to finish Erebus and Oceanus respectively?

[cinder palm]

Time 3 is where you run the risk of timing out in erebus

[viral yew]

You'll be fine then

[chilly swift]

Typically about 5 minutes each

[tall notch]

oh then yes you will be chilling

[chilly swift]

Gotcha, thanks everybody

[sage flame]

time 2 is chill in uw imo almost always

[viral yew]

Time 3 only gets bad in erebus after 50 fear

[tall notch]

it's the first 2 rivals fights that add most of the extra time

so if you are on pretty much timer 3 pace in Erebus/Oceanus, you'll be chilling with Rivals + Timer 2

[cinder palm]

I'm farming bones for nightmare rn and one weakness of strength is you can't use toula at all lol

[glass bone]

You could sack the DD in Region 1. And if you have 80 HP or less, then you basically won’t lose much.

[junior dome]

is controller better than mouse wasd?

[tall notch]

the tl;dr is that controller has better movement and mouse+keyboard has better aiming

[stray notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5u_MZxJeJQ

Can i still play this build? 😮

[glass bone]

Yes. In fact, if the Nova Strike buff applies to all Sister Blades, it’s even better

Also the Specials are better now because they hit a target more.

[stray notch]

so apollo on attack then do i want something else specific?

[glass bone]

Well Final Slice is the specific something else. But if you need more… you could take something like… Wicked Onslaught, or Back Burner (provided you also took Solar Ring / Blinding Rush)

Oh, and one more thing. You could take Huntress for another +50%. You just have to not go to 0 Max Magick, and use one Omega move at the start of a room (and then not use a Gain)

[chilly swift]

Have I just been lucky or does Toula always attack the real Hecate when Rivals is active?

[glass bone]

I feel like I’ve had incidents where Toula attacks the fake ones. Can’t remember if they have been during 1.0 or not, but I’m certain that happened in Patch 11

[chilly swift]

I guess she does help you sus it out either way, since you can watch the health bar to see if she's effecting it while attacking that one

[flint widget]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1shegzrEqv the dudes chinese tho (sorry for late reply)

[glass bone]

The true determiner imo are the curses. Stuff like Blitz, Freeze, Sheep, ||Gigaros Dash, and even Howling Soul|| persist on a teleport iirc.

[lean crypt]

ouch

nergal is SLOW slow

[brazen echo]

spam omega attack

[glass bone]

With Nergal, you want to either use OAttack, or Dash Attack.

[flint widget]

did u ever get psychic whirlwind with nergal

[livid tartan]

Does air quality negate the lower limit of dio's reckless abandon? (5/55/555 damage boon)

[glass bone]

It does, yes.

[livid tartan]

oooh

that's kinda yummy

[lean crypt]

just did my first run, no

[glass bone]

But Reckless Abandon even with it is hyper specific (like the uses I can think of for it is like… Non- Hidden Sister Blades, and I guess Eos?). More often then not it isn’t worth it, especially if you have percent boons

[flint widget]

oh wait thats the wrong one this is the right one: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1XvGEzsE6W

[livid tartan]

greater surface chaos trial is such a pain

[flint widget]

so medea pilled i accidentally sent a medea clear instead of a morrigan clear lmao

[livid tartan]

it's all like good run going, good...good... hahaha we're just gonna chuck bell on you in the last biome

[spring bolt]

Alright, gotta admit. Them new Fate's Whim keepsakes are C_R_A_C_K_E_D

[livid tartan]

yeah they're really fun to play

[glass bone]

||Pom is especially broken in Ephyra. Potentially 24 Poms and a whole other boon, for the cost of a keepsake and no rerolls||

[spring bolt]

Can't upload a shot here, but here I am at Oceanus pre-boss shop with

Nimble Limbs - Heroic
Rapid Onslaught
Extra Dose - Epic
Success Rate - Heroic
Back Burner (lvl. 4) - Heroic
Gigaros Dash
Sworn Strike - Heroic
Solar Ring - Heroic

...
just insane

[flint widget]

im assuming u took jeweled pom start then calling card in oceanus?

[spring bolt]

No, card first, pom later

Maybe it's a mistake?

[glass bone]

In theory, yes. But unless this is like… 50-62, it won’t matter.

[spring bolt]

I don't do Fear runs, once I got the 32 fear rewards and cleared the Vow of Rivals 4

And, yea, done all the Testaments, too.

Yes, great originator Chaos, I will do your challenges, I do need that Plat

[brazen echo]

The one thing i don't like about pom is that i generally like trying to go for specific builds

[glass bone]

Here’s what I think; Pom is better to take as a start, because you can get your Cores at high Pom levels immediately. Then you can take Card to rarify missing cores (with the bonus levels), or T2 boons, or something like Nitro Boost from Hermes.

[brazen echo]

What weapons do you guys usually use with pom?

[spring bolt]

Any work, but my favorite is Artemis Lim & Oros

[tall notch]

Moros is good with pretty much any god, so it's an ideal candidate

[brazen echo]

Or maybe what weapons do you guys avoid wheb running poms

[glass bone]

I think the best weapons to take Pom with are Hammer reliant aspects, and Scorch weapons. So… All of the Sister Blades, possibly Nergal, Circe, Mel Staff, Eos, Hel, and Nyx.

[lean crypt]

is "strikes" only weapon attacks or any hits?

thinking about static shock

[glass bone]

The scorch weapons need more resets to be perfect, but because of Pyro Technique’s insane scaling, Pom is worth it 100% for those weapons.

Meanwhile, the Sister Blades (and I guess Nergal) dont have a massive difference between optimal and non-optimal boons (like Hera Special is nice for Non-Hidden Blades, same with Apollo / Hestia Attack for Morrigan, but you don’t need it to win imo). So getting all of those Pom levels for any potential combo is huge.

[glass bone]

I believe strikes is equal to Attacks and Specials.

[brazen wasp]

someone remind me how to build moros again

[glass bone]

Hera Attack, Zeus Special, Born / Flood Gain

[chilly swift]

With Rivals Scylla, do you guys still tend to prioritise the drummer or do you get Charybdis' tentacles first?

[woeful flame]

Hi all.
Can you tell me how much fish i need to have the last affinity with Poseidon pls ?
I've 212 fish for the moment.

[glass bone]

Tentacles first. Well, more specifically, back tentacles (to also avoid Scylla’s clam rush), some damage on Scylla and Jetty, then middle tentacles, repeat, and then front tentacles or rush someone who isn’t Scylla or Jetty.

[uneven palm]

You kinda gotta go with what you can get to. I do the back tentacles, then try to get Scylla and Jetty, then Roxie and the remaining tentacles but idk if that’s optimal

[sage flame]

I wanna say it's less than that tbh, maybe has to be most of the unique types of fish?

or just keep talking to poseidon

[brazen wasp]

i honestly prefer cardio over born fir moros i think

[brazen echo]

That reminds me, i really should try a cardio gain hera hestia duo build one of these days

[tall notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nce5Ak--1e8 honestly Moros with Fates' Whim doesn't need a build, you just stick some good boons together and it'll turn out alright

[woeful flame]

All my run was with Poseidon to unlock the affinity but no... Think he don't like me.
Or i stink too much cause all this fish ^^

[brazen echo]

By the way how do you unlock pet colors

[glass bone]

Coldshade, I got a question for you. All this Moros talk has made me think I should try it myself. So……. Is it worth it to go for Unseen over Boatman?

I assume the answer is No, because of the whole channeling issue, but I figured to ask

[tall notch]

No, Moros torches don't benefit from Unseen because-- you got it

[glass bone]

I mean I can see Eos and Supay using Unseen.

[tall notch]

Oh yeah those 2 can ig, but Moros absolutely not

it wants to channel most of the time

[glass bone]

Ok, then is there any gain boon I should avoid for Moros at 62 UW?

Or do I just take the first one I see in each run?

[tall notch]

Aphrodite's is unusable

[glass bone]

Cause the range is outside of the OSpecial radius away from Mel I guess?

[tall notch]

no, because of channeling thing

[glass bone]

Oh

[tall notch]

I've also had a bad time using Zeus gain vs Rivals bosses but your experience may vary

[glass bone]

Imagine, out of context; “Grisly Gain is better than Glamour Gain for Moros”

[brazen echo]

I have such a love hate relationship with glamour gain

Love it for the free curse but it’s pretty bad for actual magic regain

[timid sparrow]

you cant really "backstab" typhon right?

[sacred storm]

i've seen the indicator pop up but i have no idea how

[glass bone]

You can backstab with Specials of Blades

[timid sparrow]

ah ok

but not the blink strike

[glass bone]

Well, just the regular Special

[tall notch]

Also @glass bone I would try making space for eternity in your Arcana tree for Moros if you can

[brazen echo]

Tbh does anyone have a rough tear list of gain boons? I know born and flood are top dog but not sure abt the rest

[glass bone]

Cardio Gain can be the best depending on the Aspect

Like… Nyx wants Cardio Gain, Anubis wants Cardio Gain, Blades can use Cardio Gain, etc.

[tall notch]

rn gains are in the best place they've ever been, they may have their little quirks that make some better than others for some weapons but they're all good options in some context

[glass bone]

I think the third sort of premium gain is now Lucid Gain, because you are already spamming Cast

[sacred storm]

in general, imo born > lucid/flood > cardio/glamour/tranquil > grisly > tough

some aspects and builds might have better or worse synergies that affect the ordering

[glass bone]

Tough Gain is still good though to be clear, with Aspect of Nergal, and Lunar Ray (and I guess Total Eclipse or Wolf Howl) armor spam

In these instances, Tough Gain is huge

[sacred storm]

i just have a very poor opinion of the "take damage for mp" tradeoff in general

if it counted as a revenge boon for heinous affront it could at least be funny there but at present i'd only ever consider it for brave face cheese

[timid sparrow]

omg morrigan with nova strike is so much fun

[tall notch]

it's not something I would ever take on a weapon that wants to use lots of magick but for no/low magick use it's nice

[glass bone]

And that is something that’s healthy imo

[tall notch]

because for no magick it's free damage reduction and for low magick you'll (probably) get hit often enough to keep yourself topped up

[glass bone]

Because then there are two gains for weapons that don’t need that much Magick

[brazen echo]

Also while I agree born gain is the best gain boon it can screw you over at the worst times ngl

[sacred storm]

eh, if i'm doing a no/low magic run i'd rather take glamour. weak's dr is stronger than tough's flat -1 and it's free status for origination.

[brittle brook]

Can you still get hostile environment with glowing coal?

[sacred storm]

or grisly for the plasma bonuses if i'm going for ares legendary

[brazen echo]

I’ve been screwed over by born gain more than once at typhon/chronos 😭

[tall notch]

howling soul + selene start, fastest reset I've ever done

[glass bone]

Ok, so I’m not really sure what to remove for Eternity on Moros…

[sacred storm]

eternity isn't a vital card tbh

[glass bone]

Currently have Sorceress, Huntress, Moon + Night, Furies + Persistence, 3rd Row, Boatman, and Artificer

[glass bone]

What of that list am I supposed to remove? Is it Boatman?

[sacred storm]

huntress only affects base attack/special, not omega. that might affect your decision making. i'm also not sure offhand how much value moros would get out of night since its loop is more along the lines of o-special -> attack spam until o-special ends -> repeat.

[glass bone]

I mean it does get some value of both Huntress and Night

[sacred storm]

is this a fates whim setup?

[glass bone]

Maybe I’ll try without Eternity, once or twice

Worst case scenario I take Eternity and Messenger

[chilly swift]

Cleared Rivals 3 first try, thanks for your advice everybody!

[lean crypt]

do omega combos do anything except trigger that arcana card?

[sacred storm]

no

[chilly swift]

Who's worse to anger in Family Dispute double-boon rooms, Demeter or Hera?

[sacred storm]

hera's more threatening damage wise but demeter can fill a lot of space which is a pain in smaller rooms

[tall notch]

Night absolutely doesn't need to be there

My setup dropped Huntress but and then took an extra 1 cost with the spare grasp but the last points are personal preference once you remove Night

Boatman is useful for ensuring you get that midshop boon so I'd try keeping that on probably

[forest oxide]

What are your favourite/most OP Ares builds? I was doing a Zeus Medea build and decided to just slap on an Ares attack because why not. It ended up trivialising my Zeus stuff damage wise lol

[split quest]

I just unlocked the Black Cloak that looks fun as hell. Is there any particular aspect you should use? And can you recommend a build?

[civic ocean]

Why do you need eternity doesn’t it not work

[glass bone]

It’s a bit of a cop out, but it was Coldshade’s advice.

I figured to ask, since they did Moros 62.

[civic ocean]

The time slow only applies to the special right

[glass bone]

Idk.

[tall notch]

yes and it's very good to have that for Omega special

[civic ocean]

Hmmmge

[tall notch]

Mel is very vulnerable during that move, so just having Eternity allows you to use it in positions where otherwise you would take tons of damage

I have tried both and eternity feels much much better

[civic ocean]

Hmmmmmmge

[pastel star]

can anyone give me advice for 24 surface? im trying to get final statue and 32 underworld was pretty free for me and yet i cant get past the 3rd area for this one

[kind rover]

I'm glad Hel changes the skull so much. Not a big fan of the skull otherwise tbh. Glad there is one aspect I might use frequently now, it's like Melinoe's version of the rail.

[hollow stag]

Is Apollo the best for Umbral Flames for his legendary boon?

[hollow crypt]

https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/1233146305308528650/1424437309469884567
does anyone know what might've caused "Trap" damage to go over 50k?

nvm I think I remember now, I had a Hera Godsent mob against Cerb and after I beat him the mob stood in the Lava until it expired

[uneven palm]

Apollo’s legendary is only good on Eos I think. It doesn’t do anything for O specials on the flames and +30 magick on O attacks on the other flames is kinda a lot for not a huge benefit imo.

[lean crypt]

what god has the highest damage boost besides aph?

[glass wraith]

Are all of the Hidden Aspects pretty OP? Nergal, Anubis, Supay have been pretty really stacked for me so far. In the case of Hel, I dunno if I haven't fully figured out how to best use it yet

[tall notch]

it's either Hera or Apollo, they were changing the amounts around on those 2 so I am not sure rn

[brittle brook]

Okay had a build idea
Hostile environment
Arctic gale (makes a gust in your cast)
Tropical cyclone
Thoughts?

[hollow stag]

For base Mel Umbral Flames with Arachne's Channel Speed dress and Zeus' Special, which Poseidon Boon is more important to get early? His cast (to get Duo) or an Epic Ocean Swell that does 80 damage per Omega move.

[stray shore]

can someone suggest me a nice build with morrigan?

[prime wing]

y'all quick question, for aspect of moros, should i level up my special boon or attack boon to increase blast damage? the description makes me think attack but I'm not sure.

[nova roost]

when icarus helps in encounters on rift of thessaly, do his attacks inflict friendly fire on melinoe?

[west thunder]

I like Apollo attack if you can get final slice hammer too. Hestia attack is also good. For special try Zeus or Demeter

[west thunder]

No his attacks can’t hurt you

[nova roost]

Nice. Same for Heracles'?

[west thunder]

Heracles attacks can stun you for a second but you won’t lose health

[tribal wedge]

Do you want to use omega cast with charon? Like is that a waste of magik or does it like explode twice?

[civic ocean]

Its actually worse than a waste of magic - charon IIRC CANNOT pop manually casted omega casts

But you DO want to take all of the boons that power up omega casts

Every single one of them applies to the pop

[split quest]

Can anyone recommend a good build for Melinöe Sister Blades?

[lean crypt]

is zeus special good on xinth?

[tribal wedge]

Ok thank you

[glad nova]

Getting judgment with Circe's keepsake feels soooo gooood

[dense ice]

Can anyone advise me on whether something is a bug or not? Using the Aspect of Charon Axe with Howling Soul, which from it's description should make casts a projectile that seeks foes. This seems to be working in every biome and fight EXCEPT for against Scylla & Charybdis, where the cast repeatedly would just fly past every foe (both Sirens, Scylla & any tentacles) and just land at the edge of the arena around no-one. Anyone faced the same thing ever?

[civic ocean]

https://www.twitch.tv/east_25/clip/SuperTrustworthyKuduPeteZaroll-y-gTLGq_aBqIr95z like this?

[round remnant]

Attack. When it explodes it basically triggers your attack again

[civic ocean]

Both

[dense ice]

Yeah! Even more egregiously than that usually. At least that one is facing vaguely away from enemies but mine would just sail past 2/3 tentacles/sirens

[split quest]

Is Trick Knives supposed to be a joke?

That hammer is beyond broken 😄

[civic ocean]

Why would something being good be a joke

[dense ice]

@civic ocean is there a place to query bugs? Is that was the tech support channel is for?

[civic ocean]

F10 in game

I trust they are aware that Howling Soul has very strange targeting though

Try letting your stick go neutral on controller that helps me

[split quest]

Ok so I got all the Axe aspects and put 5 Nightmare into the Axe but still haven't got the hidden aspect or do I have to get every Axe to Level 5 before getting it?

[brittle brook]

Can glorious disaster (zeus + apollo) hostile environment and tropical cyclone all work together? Like could you get it all in 1 run/build?

[polar prawn]

Has to be a non-Mel axe at level 5

[split quest]

It's Tanatos

Tartaros? Not sure

The Scythe

[polar prawn]

Then you just keep talking to Charon and it'll eventually come up

[spiral wadi]

thanatos ye

[split quest]

Ah ok

[spiral wadi]

can also be charon

[dense ice]

<struggles to find F10 button on switch controller> 😜

[opal seal]

how should i build around mel staff? should i just focus on getting abunch of upgrades for charged special or what?

[split quest]

Aphrodite

[spiral wadi]

blitz on atk and a % on spec, then atk spec combo

[split quest]

And Poseidon if you want

[opal seal]

wait why? isnt it more of a ranged weapon?

[split quest]

Poseidon/Aphrodite Duo makes your life easier but is not really necessary. nice to have though

[civic ocean]

People don’t actually use the Omega Special all that often but you can build that if you want, you want Apollo special then

[split quest]

I mean sure you can go for anything % based but Aphrodite gives the most dmg

If you struggle I would even consider going demeter

Freeze is just really nice

[spiral wadi]

yea mel staff gives range but aphro gives insane value for getting up close, plus the dual moonshot hammer x2s ur specials and makes u go close range anyway

[split quest]

And as I said if you get the Poseidon / Aphro Duo boon all attacks count as close

[opal seal]

but should i get aphrodite on special and get close or what?

[split quest]

even you are far away

[spiral wadi]

yea get close as much as possible lol

[split quest]

If you want to maximize dmg yes

Shot / Dash / Shot / Dash

[spiral wadi]

u want island getaway (aphro poseidon duo) if u want aphro on range

[split quest]

Island Getaway that's it. Couldn't remember the name

[spiral wadi]

otherwise get up close and it'll be fine trust

[split quest]

but tbh if you just want an easy win and stay away. Get Mel Torches

They are insane

[spiral wadi]

the 20% special nerf after i tryharded the weapon

[odd bolt]

Mel torches are op!!!

[split quest]

Mel torches with Hera / Poseidon is just insane

[opal seal]

nah not really im just using whatever weapon has the bonus rn

[split quest]

I see. I don't do that if it's a weapon I don't enjoy or don't want to use

[opal seal]

honestly i kinda enjoy all of them

havent used the fists tho

[split quest]

Do you just unlock the aspect or do you have to buy it too?

[split quest]

I haven't tried the Black Coat yet but I'm not sure if I like. The Staff and Blades are also not that great for me so far

[split igloo]

why hera?

[split quest]

Fissure and the Duo Boon

[split igloo]

whats the duo boon do again?

[split quest]

Doubles Ocean Swell and Fissure procs

I had an insane build yesterday and deleted Chronos

[sacred storm]

A 30% chance for fine line and ocean swell to fire twice

[split quest]

Exactly. Didn't know the exact numbers off the top of my head

Wait why did I think it's called Fissure? What am I mixing that up with? Fine Line is obviously the correct name.

[spiral wadi]

sometimes it's referred to as a fissure

[split quest]

Ah ok.

[surreal hazel]

it looks like one

[split quest]

But I'm just bad with names too 😄

I know it when I see it but can't remember them 😄

[spiral wadi]

society if aphro heartthrobs didn't require 40 magick

[surreal hazel]

There was a few of us hoping they'd update it to affect all possible olympian omega projectiles, but alas

[dire shell]

For the Hermes “things have a % chance increase of happening”, is that percentage points or a multiplicative boost?

Also, does it work on Poseidon’s double stuff boon?

[surreal hazel]

multiplicative, and yes

[dire shell]

It’s not 40 at once, right?

[split igloo]

just gotta stack so many hammers your omega attack requires like 60 magick

[spiral wadi]

nah just accumulation

[surreal hazel]

#h2-victory-boasting message You can do this with enough levels

[spiral wadi]

yea the only reason i get +15 or +5 Magick boons is not to actually use the boon, but to make hex charging faster

[surreal hazel]

Yes, but also kinda

[spiral wadi]

idgaf about the effects LOL hexes r just ass to charge

[viral yew]

Real

[surreal hazel]

any overspend to spawn a hearthrob does not count towards the next

[dire shell]

My last run was at like 83% lol. Wasn’t sure how it was stacking

[dire shell]

Oh?

Ohh, interesting. So 30 + 30 = 40

[surreal hazel]

if you spend 80 at once, you do not get two hearthrobs

[spiral wadi]

they should make it so blocking with coat instantly charges selene hex

[surreal hazel]

if you spend 60 twice, you get two

[surreal hazel]

sadly, yes

[dire shell]

That’s a little weird. Not sure why it would work like that

[cerulean panther]

Because Heartthrobs were really good in the first 6 months or so of EA so they foreshadowed what they were going to do to Pan with Heartbreaker.

[spiral wadi]

yea and now they're completely unusable

[surreal hazel]

Sunny D makes them pretty lulzy

[spiral wadi]

it's dumb cuz the only other ways to spawn heartthrobs are by duo, then u need apollo duo to also increase heartthrob count, so it's just a ton of investment

like it's actually garbage

[viral yew]

All for you to never notice the effects of them anyway

[surreal hazel]

tbh they can really add up

completely free additions of big damage

[spiral wadi]

yea yknow what also adds up, buffing ur omegas directly

[surreal hazel]

yeah but like, Controlled Burn is a separate lump of damage to your omega, but it actually costs to fire

[viral yew]

Lmaooooo

[surreal hazel]

hearthrobs are free

it's probably why people dunk on Power Surge so much too, it's freeeee

[spiral wadi]

power surge is free but 30 damage on one singular enemy when u charge one omega kinda sucks ass

[surreal hazel]

30?

am I too used to jewelled pom? maybe

but if 30 is weak, hearthrobs are coming in with 80 AoE

[spiral wadi]

lol jeweled pom value

idk i still feel like if ur trying to spend 40 magick on the regular u might as well slap fine line on ur build

plus lucid gain is now mega free

[civic ocean]

The correct name is squiggle

[spiral wadi]

me when the queen does the squiggly wiggly

[viral yew]

😭

[floral mason]

Is Judgement activated with the full Vow of Void?

[cerulean panther]

No, you need at least one card active.

[chilly swift]

Harm for the Afflicted (Medea curse that deals 50 damage when first inflicting a foe with a curse) doesn't seem very good compared to her other offerings, am I missing something?

[compact ginkgo]

i can't tell what things are supporting boons vs main boons. aka for each attack, cast, special, there's a main boon and a supporting boon supposedly? im trying to get hestia on cast but idk if that'll be no longer an option if i take apollo on cast

[cerulean panther]

No, it's one of her weaker Curses.

[rugged moon]

Depending on the build its decent. But for most things its not

Although id argue many of medeas boons are just weak regardless

[cerulean panther]

Boons with one of the words Strike, Flourish, Ring, Rush, and Gain are your 5 core boons.

[chilly swift]

Gotcha, thanks both. She's also offering the one that causes enemies to lose 15% health when they cause you to lose a death defiance, I really like that one

[cerulean panther]

Not every Olympian has supporting boons for every function.

[rugged moon]

Thats honestly probably one of her absolute weakest imo

[cerulean panther]

That might be Medea's worst. It's 15% of the enemy's current health.

[chilly swift]

Oh no, I didn't realise that! I thought it was 15% of max. Oops lol

[rugged moon]

Her bests are the like money and max mp.

After that its a pretty steep dropoff

Healing is fine but i play scars

[surreal hazel]

Enfeeblement of Cowards is actually pretty good

[cerulean panther]

Suffering on Sight (all enemies have half Armor) is my pick for her best. 5 Magick in every Location is up there if you need Magick badly and you don't have a super kitted-out Gain set-up.

[surreal hazel]

and multiplies with Hard target, if you can get both, try it, it's kinda hilarious

[compact ginkgo]

but cast ones don't have any of those words? x_x

[rugged moon]

50% armor is meh. Cowards is okay but imo still doesnt compare the those first two.

[hollow stag]

What's a good Attack boon for Mel Staff that has Rapid Thrasher (50% faster Attacks)? I hope to get Mirrored Thrasher (Attacks hits twice), though Wicked Thrasher (+30 Power to Attacks) is fine too.

[rugged moon]

Hesti

[cerulean panther]

Ring? Storm Ring, Solar Ring, Smolder Ring.

[compact ginkgo]

ohhhhhh the name, icic

[spiral wadi]

if u want to do rapid attacks then prob hestia or sidon atk

[surreal hazel]

if you don't get wicked, then you want wave or flame strike

if you do get it, then lol, everything goes

[compact ginkgo]

so if it doesn't have this but still affects cast then it would be support?

[rugged moon]

Correct

[cerulean panther]

Yes.

[surreal hazel]

HOLY THRASHER TRINITY is just a win if you can get it

[compact ginkgo]

oki thank u!

[rugged moon]

Stuff like prominence flare is not a cast boon

[surreal hazel]

Cast support boons are typically not offered until you have a core Ring boon

[compact ginkgo]

speaking of which is solar ring any good XD

[surreal hazel]

Solar is great for free daze application and decet but delayed damage

[cerulean panther]

It's aight.

[surreal hazel]

goes pretty nice with winner's circle, plays nice with SuperNova in a way that other cast boons don't

[rugged moon]

Solar is great with the hermes faster omega winners circle

[compact ginkgo]

mm yeah the delayed dmg seems kinda mid... dammit i'll just take blinding rush or perfect image

[hollow stag]

I'm not a fan of the 999 Scorch limit.

[cerulean panther]

Oh, Blinding Rush is an auto-pick like 85% of the time.

[surreal hazel]

Perfect Image seems unrelated here,

Blinding rush is one of those boons that really doesn't much care for rarity and poms

[viral yew]

It wasn't capped in EA and it was really good lmao so they nerfed it

[compact ginkgo]

it's not related, i'm just looking at my current apollo choices 😂 . blinding rush seems good but i never sprint i'm too stuck in hades 1 mode

[surreal hazel]

I mean running faster is nice, but it's not why you took it

it's like Divine Dash in H1, rarity and poms give more damage, but you didn't take it for that, did you?

[cerulean panther]

I believe it applies Daze on Dash, too, not just the Sprint.

[surreal hazel]

yes

[cerulean panther]

Maybe the best all-purpose Rush boon?

[rugged moon]

Easily

[compact ginkgo]

ohhhh ok good to know!!

[cerulean panther]

Others can hit really hard but Blinding Rush is just good out the gate with zero investment.

[surreal hazel]

unless you're after your Rush to be a damage dealer, yeah, it's pretty dang nice

[viral yew]

Can't go wrong with a good daze dash

[surreal hazel]

Also a nice pre-req for a lot of apollo's duos

[viral yew]

Plus easy origination and u get hit less

[compact ginkgo]

thanks guys! ive been avoiding it cuz i thought it only applied to sprint but ig everyone's saying it's op so i'll try it out this run

[storm falcon]

does anyone have some general advice when it comes to putting a build together? I've found i've never really had a single good build in hades because i don't really see any synergies

[surreal hazel]

Apollo used to be much fussier with his duos, still kinda is, but blinding rush is easily the best choice to proc many of them

[hollow stag]

I'm thikning of getting Zeus. If rarity is high enough, his Attack boon is good. Plus he has a boon that sygnergies with fast attacks, especially with Mirrored Thrasher.

[viral yew]

For fast hitting weapons, take pos/hestia/flat damage increase, for harder hitting slower weapons, take %increase

[rugged moon]

Im general the answer depends. The most important are you core boons - rush boon. High slow damage wants percentage, fast low wants flat

[surreal hazel]

The main deal is variety in your core boons, there is often very little reason to have your strike and flourish boons come from the same god, for example

[storm falcon]

rush boon?

[rugged moon]

Dash

the slot name is rush

[storm falcon]

ic

[surreal hazel]

Do you know what we mean by core boons? It's something the game sort of tells you

[storm falcon]

i assume u just mean the boons for each ability

[surreal hazel]

yes

[storm falcon]

attack special etc

[surreal hazel]

Strike, Flourish, Ring, Rush and Gain

[storm falcon]

right

[rugged moon]

Strike flourish and ring are your three most important

[surreal hazel]

these are the key to everything, and most duos require one of each of these from the two gods in question

[rugged moon]

With rush being minimal. And gain being a “if and when required”

[storm falcon]

is there a common basic path you want to go with? like look for a certain core boon first, and as such you gravitate towards the gods with the best of that specific boon?

[rugged moon]

Correct

[storm falcon]

iiic, and given what u just said u want to look for stuff for strike flourish ring. Uh, which buttons are these?

[rugged moon]

Stuff like the knives loves hestia and posedian on strike and heph and zues on flourish

[compact ginkgo]

in the old game there was smth where you could see what things procced what duos... will i be getting something similar this game later on? for now i have no idea what procs what and have been getting everything by chance

[cerulean panther]

Yes.

[surreal hazel]

basically posideon and hestia want rapid attacking moves for their cores, Zeus, Aers and Hera want you to spread their curse around a lot, Haphestus wants his boon on the move you don't use much, the others want big hitters

[opal crane]

does scorch cap out at 999 ?

[storm falcon]

right

[rugged moon]

With one exception yes

[storm falcon]

so for axe, do you have a suggestion on something i can try and force?

[surreal hazel]

So on the axe, for example, you want a nice big +% damage on the attack and the special wants a on-proc move unless you want to use Omega special, in which case you also want a big +%

[opal crane]

axe apollo/aphro

[rugged moon]

Hera if you have, apollo if youdont

[surreal hazel]

axe special also likes Volcanic Flourish since you don't use it much

gives you a 500 damage explosion to keep in your back pocket

[storm falcon]

which kind fo attack is each sorry?

like flourish is what

[surreal hazel]

Strike is attack

[rugged moon]

Strike

[surreal hazel]

Flourish is special

[storm falcon]

right

ring is cast?

[surreal hazel]

yes

[rugged moon]

Yep

[storm falcon]

ic

[surreal hazel]

the description will clarify this for you

[opal seal]

is it better to build around specials or attacks for mel torches?

[surreal hazel]

usually attack

but honestly you're using them in tandem

[spiral wadi]

if ur gonna use both then use moros

[surreal hazel]

Moros moreso, but Mel still does it

[spiral wadi]

otherwise ignore specs and go all in on atk for mel flames

[surreal hazel]

Mel torch will have you using the attack as the heavy hitter, and the special spreading hitch, blitz etc...

[rugged moon]

Mel torch is another great volcanic flourish option

[storm falcon]

suggestions for starting drinket?

[rugged moon]

Something gets close you make it regret its short life remaining

God keepsake

Of best option for given weapon

[storm falcon]

ic

so for axe aphro or apollo?

[surreal hazel]

Apollo is safer

Aphrodite offers more raw damage, but the axe is bigger than her idea of "close" so you're effectively more close ranged

I'd lean apollo for simplicity

[elder lichen]

I have heard about this Posiedon sister blades build but can't seem to find it. What exacctly do you go?

[surreal hazel]

depends on which aspect, Wave Strike and Wave flourish are both good ways to go

[elder lichen]

Mel aspect just the basics

[dull rapids]

If you dont strike at max range you are likely still within range for aphros effects

[surreal hazel]

that's literally what I said, yes

[dull rapids]

Oh sorry i misread you there

[rugged moon]

Just get aphro/pos duo

[opal crane]

how am i supposed to use anubis special? i keep getting myself hit when i pull enemies

[surreal hazel]

put the cast down first

also just like. stop pulling armoured enemies mid-attack

[opal crane]

i do better just running around than pulling anything >.>

[rugged moon]

I struggle so much with anubis. Its… very hard to place properly on controller which sucks

[surreal hazel]

works fine to me

I dunno what controller stops, the field goes at your feet

[rugged moon]

Placing the omega

Where you want to drop field. Dash. Place omega in the field

[surreal hazel]

I just let autoaim do it and it's fiiiine

[rugged moon]

Damage is just so low without the omega

[surreal hazel]

...is it?

everything just dies when I use anubis

[viral yew]

It's not

[surreal hazel]

was gonna say

a bit of slow cooker and it all melts

[elfin forge]

idk how anyone can say anubis damage is low

[lime cliff]

Hi, i am new here.
I am trying to find a good build to do the Night Champion (24/32) challenges. I was running a medeia + zeus build but on 24 surface things just seems very punishing for me to keep dashing on top of. Too many mobs with armor+charge and too much damage.

Any tips? Or i just need to power throught it?

[elfin forge]

I think this is probably an issue of what your fear setup is, maybe

avoid Hordes, Grit, Void, and Wards like the plague

[lime cliff]

I tried a few different ones.
Rivals seems extremely punishing to me.

[elfin forge]

Rivals should probably kept to a low level

[chilly swift]

Can you reroll Athena's boons when you summon her with the keepsake?

[elfin forge]

yeah Rivals is very difficult for the amount of fear it provides, I wouldn't count it as "necessary default"

[elfin forge]

yes

[lime cliff]

Can you tell me what people usually run for 24 and 32 for Medea?

[elfin forge]

idk something like this?
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzEsMCwwLDMsMSwzLDIsNSwxLDIsMiwwLDEsMCwxLDAsMl0=

[viral yew]

https://imgur.com/a/ZhnRvP9

[elfin forge]

get dyno'd

[viral yew]

https://imgur.com/a/faIsqUr

[elfin forge]

and my arcana setup was this:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1349278289042346008/1390093577685700658/Screenshot_2025-07-02_at_3.15.27_PM.png?ex=68e396c7&is=68e24547&hm=c267535ec4cb83e1417c3b14c807ae27c358f6c80ab32bc7440e9fb15c0e48e4&

[lime cliff]

Is Forfeit bad?

[viral yew]

No lovers?

[lime cliff]

Seems it could be good for a +3, but i am not sure.

[viral yew]

Very

[elfin forge]

forfeit can be rough but it's not the worst imo for surface

it can make erebus difficult though

[viral yew]

If you're just starting out on fear it's a rough vow to take

[rugged moon]

Base anubis damage is super low. The field does 30 damage a tick the omega does like 150 damage a tick

[surreal hazel]

the base damage of the staff itself is 10, 15, 20

and catyclysm is like, 150, when ankh is 150 repeatedly

[elfin forge]

idk I just mash special

[storm falcon]

So with the boons, how do i know what is for what? in regards to like, the naming u guys use

im looking at 3 apollo options rn

[lime cliff]

? What i got a msg deleted.
All i asked was if Fangs were not very hard. o_O

[storm falcon]

but only one seems like it would be useful at all

[surreal hazel]

Does it say Strike, Flourish, Ring, Rush or Gain?

[storm falcon]

im not seeing it no

could definitely just be blind LOL

[surreal hazel]

if not, then it's not a core boon and doesn't occupy a slot at all

so you can take it and it won't block anything

[storm falcon]

https://imgur.com/undefined

[elfin forge]

every god has 5 core boons, which are your main slots on the left side
attack, special, cast, dash, and mana gain
everything else is bonus secondaries, feel free to stack em up

[storm falcon]

ioops

https://imgur.com/a/uch1g8m

[surreal hazel]

oh hermes

[elfin forge]

that's not apollo, that's hermes

Hermes is a bonus god, he's not part of the main 9. All of his boons are secondaries

[storm falcon]

ohhh

[surreal hazel]

hermes is a special case, he doesn't have any core boons, or duo boons, or boons that can be upgraded with poms

[storm falcon]

i was like, this guy's stuff is always garbage

[surreal hazel]

Lol, hermes is amazing

[storm falcon]

no clue why people would want me to take it XD

the bottom one is good, maybe the top one too

[elfin forge]

attack speed is pretty much always good, it's really hard to get in this game

[surreal hazel]

but he scales a lot with rarity

[storm falcon]

but the middle is kinda like... ermmmmmm

[surreal hazel]

-15% charge time is occasionally nice

[elfin forge]

also he has one where you block some hits when dashing, that ones really good

[surreal hazel]

-10% attack interval is okay, but with rarity it goes hard

[surreal hazel]

if you ever see "travel deal", take it, TAKE IT

[elfin forge]

is travel deal worth it

[surreal hazel]

two boons from one shop? heck yes

[elfin forge]

I'm too broke for 2

[storm falcon]

for aphro, her strike boon seems really good for axe

[surreal hazel]

If you're running big Vow of Debt then eh, fair, but I'm guessing fearless runs here

[surreal hazel]

yes, for reference, "close" is about the size of your cast

[rugged moon]

Its twoce tht its like 20 25 60 last i checked

[elfin forge]

yeah the gods fall into some broad categories
Apollo/Aphro = big stuff
Poseidon/Hestia = small fast stuff
Everyone else is usually to provide support, whether it be damage or debuffs

[surreal hazel]

er, not base values

[rugged moon]

Im not home to recheck but im pretty sure is

[surreal hazel]

go hit skelly without any arcana

[storm falcon]

i assume artemis kinda meh for axe?

[elfin forge]

wiki says 20, 25, 60 which is prolly right

[surreal hazel]

Artemis is a one-off NPC god

[storm falcon]

I'm using the scythe aspect so i do play with crit a bit

but never know what to take when arte shows up

[elfin forge]

artemis is another bonus god, she only shows up maximum of once per run

[storm falcon]

yea

[elfin forge]

grab the "marked" or "crit when they're in cast" I guess

[storm falcon]

ic, does demeter have any syngery with axe?

I think someone mentioned hestia is just ok with axe

cuz she wants faster striking stuff

[velvet hawk]

how is heph cast build with circe staff

[elfin forge]

demeter's cast is goated

[viral yew]

Freeze is nice but damage kinda sucks

[surreal hazel]

axe is slow, you get hit a lot during attacks

[elfin forge]

it's ok

[surreal hazel]

but not if they're frozen

[velvet hawk]

does the cast count in with the blast effects?

[storm falcon]

mmm ok

[velvet hawk]

oh

[elfin forge]

the issue is that I think it's hard to scale heph ring up

it doesn't count as blasts

[velvet hawk]

ah that sucks

[storm falcon]

with daedalus hammer are there some that u would consider core to axe?

and then some that are more build dependent?

[surreal hazel]

which aspect?

[storm falcon]

the scythe

[surreal hazel]

Rapid Hack, Psychic Whirlwind

[magic cobalt]

The one that lets you’re omega attack go without independent of you is good for a general build

[elfin forge]

psychic whirlwind, dashing heave

[storm falcon]

gotcha ic

[magic cobalt]

If you’re using Charon ax giga special is OP

[surreal hazel]

Huh, that got changed, weird

anubis base damage is 20 as well, which is fine tbh

as is the special, but you can shoot it much faster

anubus Oattack is 50x13 (But 65x13 at max aspect), staff oAttack is 160

845 damage lol

anubis poops out damage

[split quest]

Finally reached Typhoon

[surreal hazel]

huh, was wrong about dagger chain too, it's 20, 20, 15x5, 90

[storm falcon]

is there anything good about poseidon with axe?

or not particularly

[surreal hazel]

not on Strike slot, no, but it's okay on the other slots

[elfin forge]

its giant

wave size scales differently depending on the attack so on axe, it shoots gigantic waves

[dull citrus]

Anyone know how to avoid the little blasts typhon throws it in phase 3 when you’re small? I’m taking damage everytime

Do you go to the front of the arena away from him than dash towards him? Maybe I’m just messing the timing

[dire shell]

Is the axe omega attack any good? Seems to charge super slowly

[storm falcon]

https://imgur.com/a/uZD7eKr any recs?

[spiral wadi]

if the circle is like around the bottom of the stage, i dash into typhon after the initial blast, let the split balls do their thing, then dash back into the circle

lemme see if i have a clip

[frigid tartan]

Do you guys recommend experiencing rivals blind? Or watching a video beforehand? I've been stomping regular runs and I'm thinking of turning on rivals to start getting used to them.

I mainly ask to see if there's a huge surprise or something in one of them where watching a video would Rob me of the experience

[spiral wadi]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxKv-L0TZTWg5fA2DRjuCKvbCzOYeXwsH9?si=OHKiWV3SN4OoAlCU

[spiral wadi]

i like experiencing them blind personally, cuz i like the surprise

sometimes if a boss is really kicking my ass i'll consider watching a vid to see what's up

[frigid tartan]

I need to be at peace with dying again lmao

I'm gonna get taken down a peg

[spiral wadi]

ye death will be imminent but it'll also be fun i think

[frigid tartan]

Maybe I should finish the story incantations before. I already beat Chronos 6 times and typhon 2 times and have the materials for their two incantations shown

Maybe I can do that and afterwards with more resources I can tackle rivals

[chilly swift]

Does Daybreaker benefit from attack or omega attack boons?

(The pulses)

[chilly swift]

I would say many of the Rivals fights have some fairly surprising things going on with them. I felt the same dilemma as you and I'm glad I went in blind

[frigid tartan]

Thank you for the insight

[turbid parrot]

definitely go in blind, that's the fun of it

[split igloo]

https://imgur.com/a/XbsVd8D
anyone have any notes on my arcana setup (for blades and torches)

[viral yew]

Pretty standard

[split igloo]

nothing that makes you go like "why the hell is that there?"

[viral yew]

Personally i run lovers but you absolutely don't need it

[slate zodiac]

Is there a weapon that's good with Demeter start? I need to get her legendary boon for the prophecy

[brazen wasp]

so i got aphro attack, zeus special possesed and born gain on medea whats good to go fir now

[chilly swift]

Demeter cast is always useful, especially so on Medea where enemy positioning and cc is important

[brazen wasp]

got poisedon cast already but ig i can try and sacrificr it

what other support boons tho

[chilly swift]

Nah it's fine! Try to get his boon that causes splashes to apply froth, that way you can get a curse on cast

If you haven't got a rush boon yet Aphro rush or even Heph rush is always helpful. Hermes and Poseidon both have really nice boons to take early (money and/or duplication of rewards, or dodge)

[brazen wasp]

is autofire any good on medea, how does autofire even work

[dire shell]

Do auto fire and Zeus chain lightning have internal cooldowns?

[hollow stag]

How important is Zeus and Hephaestus Duo boon? I have an Epic Static Shock with 50% faster Attacks hammer on Mel base Staff. Is that better than delaying my Attack boon (Poseidon Wave)?

[elfin forge]

no
Autofire basically does the weapon's attack/special combo without doing omegas, if possible
This does not apply to weapons that automatically charge their Omegas as part of their combos, such as Torches or Hel

[brazen wasp]

tbh it feels better holding r1 than pressing it

[torpid tundra]

i love autofire on*, with the skull and airqual+chain lightning lol so fun

Do i need to max out the charon aspect before unlocking the hidden or will maxing the thanatos one trigger it?

[elfin forge]

thanatos or charon work

[torpid tundra]

then charon is just being a tight lipped b

[elfin forge]

you do need both charon and thanatos unlocked tho

[torpid tundra]

oh.

lmao

[elfin forge]

you need all 3 axes(mel, charon, than) and you need one non-mell at level 5

[torpid tundra]

yeah i knew the 2nd part just not the first 😄 ty !

[lapis lantern]

Yay 32f finally

[rugged moon]

i think it can be Mel too just any at 5 i thought

[lapis lantern]

They changed it

[vernal shuttle]

EM Scylla is really fun to fight 🙃

[lapis lantern]

Yeah I don't mind her now i got a routine for her

[vernal shuttle]

does it involve taking off the game? That's my routine

[elfin forge]

nope

[vernal shuttle]

This is for all weapons right?

[elfin forge]

yep

[vernal shuttle]

and who do you speak to for the cape? Is it selene?
Thats the last one I dont have

[elfin forge]

yeah selene

[lapis lantern]

I think hecte is way worse tbh , I always take so much dmg Vs her

[vernal shuttle]

Oh she is definitely the other offender

Everytime I'm like "The harpy sisters werent even this bad fr"

[lapis lantern]

Scyalla is ok cos you can just kind of move in a circle while dodging Roxy and Scylla killing tentacals and drummer

[upper mountain]

In conversation with Chaos atm… Should I go with strike, flourish, or creation?

[old flicker]

so how does one play with the medea skulls. Or any of the skulls really

[chilly swift]

After you take Water Fitness, does it continue to grant more max HP if you pick up additional water boons afterwards? Or is it just a one-time pop for the ones you have when you take it?

[chilly swift]

With the Medea skulls, click attack twice then special into an enemy, then click attack twice again and special back through the enemy in the opposite direction. Drop a cast now and again to lock enemies down. It's as simple as that really

The other skulls vary, each aspect is different

[signal coral]

Medea wants 1 attack into 1 special

Loading 2 skulls is too slow

[edgy nacelle]

it continues to grant more HP!
same with any infusion boon which gives a bonus per element you have.
only the ones that activate at a specific threshold are one time only (like rallying cry, proper upbringing, air quality)

[chilly swift]

Wicked, thanks!

[signal coral]

You ideally just spam and dash around like a crackhead on medea (watch any good player play and you'll see what gameplay should look like)

[chilly swift]

I guess you could do this, but I do 2 attack 1 special as my standard rotation and it seems plenty fast enough, I don't get hit by stuff

[split igloo]

hows the secret aspect skull? i think its called hel or something

[chilly swift]

It's very strong! Throw out a special at a distance or while enemies are locked down with a cast, then stand there and fire away at them with attack. Absolutely amazing with poseidon on attack, the splashes are often my top damage

[summer parrot]

What builds do the heaviest damage bc I keep getting cooked by the infernal beast and also being a bomb would be fun

[austere trail]

aspect of moros is a fun weapon. it's simple to use as well. omega special and then hold omega attack

[zinc jungle]

Is Night good with Aspect of Charon? Like, does the Omega cast effect count as an Omega combo?

[austere trail]

if you really want to maximise it, hera's sworn strike (attack deals more dmg) and zeus' heaven flourish (blitz special) work wonders

you want to focus on getting magick though, or have a good gain boon. hera's born gain works well

[zinc jungle]

Also, how does Charon Omega explosion work? Many Omega casts are over time effects, like Hestia and Zeus. Does the explosion do every single tick of damage all in that one moment?

IIRC in the Early Access, certain casts weren't even good with Charon. I assume by now, any cast works well with the aspect?

[viral yew]

Not true, all omega casts do damage at the end, but the cast with dot effects suck on charon, you want to be using posiedon or apollo casts that can be buffed to do alot of damage

[viral yew]

Nope, it'll active the omega damage but stop any burn or lighting ticks

[zinc jungle]

ahhh so it works the same way that it worked in the EA... it's just base omega damage for those other gods sadly

unfortunate, it'd be so cool to pair it with Hestia to apply 999 Burn instantly

[austere trail]

demeter's arctic ring for me is goated because I freeze them there and then omega special

[zinc jungle]

I remember playing a ton of it in EA and getting tired of playing the same gods over and over, so I assumed by now they'd have made the aspect more universal for the different gods' casts

[opal crane]

definitely still getting hit from non armored enemies. somewhere in the attack animation and it still goes off while/after being pulled

[zinc jungle]

not really getting tired of playing them but rather wishing i could use other casts

and feeling restricted

[edgy nacelle]

apollo hera poseidon and ares are all fine on charon, which isn't that many options but is still fairly versatile tbh 🤷
heph may also be alright since his cast doesn't stop doing damage when the circle disappears, but I've never tried

so like... slightly less than half the gods, give or take? not as versatile as some weapons but decent

[past plume]

||is it always frenzy 2 in great chaos trials? i need my 2 death defiances for 2 times when chronos cast aoe oneshot 🥲 i got him tho||

[zinc jungle]

ahhh, true, Ares wasn't available at the time I'm referring to, so I hadn't even considered that. Thanks! Also, the Heph idea is brilliant.

[spiral wadi]

circe aspect heph cast is super fun

[edgy nacelle]

lmk if you try heph on charon, I assume it would work since it works with winner's circle but I have no idea if it would actually feel good lol

[viral yew]

Can you not dodge the oneshot

[past plume]

if you get to the circle yeah, but i couldnt get inside both times lol

[old flicker]

does the special here count as rushing for stuff like Romantic Spark?

[chilly swift]

No, it doesn't. It just counts as a normal special. You're not damage immune during it either, which makes the hammer that causes you to take -30% damage when using your special, especially useful

[edgy nacelle]

anything which specifies sprint/dash/rush only works with that.
some abilities will make you move around like a dash, but they won't trigger dash related effects unless they explicitly say so

[chilly swift]

It's still extremely strong though, it hitstuns enemies iirc so as long as they're not in the middle of doing an AoE attack you're pretty safe. It's an aspect that rewards knowledge of enemy attack animations and positioning, for sure

[old flicker]

ok so I will skip Romantic Spark

[zinc jungle]

bump

[edgy nacelle]

I don't think it does but I'm not 100% sure.
I think the issue is that you don't actually channel an Ω cast so it doesn't register it
if you want to test in game, then do the charon combo twice in a row and see if the death skull icon shows up next to the second Ω special. if it doesn't, then it doesn't work

[waxen gorge]

just tried splash special, blitz attack on aspect of Hel, the duo boon and it worked out but i feel like there might be a better set up, maybe Hera on special and the boon that damages all hitch affected enemies when one dies?

although would be trash in boss fights

[edgy nacelle]

ares special could be nice to throw in?
ares + poseidon duo for more splashes, and the ares boon which makes wounded enemies have a chance to take double damage.
bonus points if you throw in zeus and apollo so you can get static shock and then heinous affront + zeus and apollo revenge boons

hestia is also very solid on Hel attack, and then you can do stuff with demeter/aphrodite duos if you want

[glossy thorn]

Skibidi ajhhhhhf

[lime moth]

What is the exact level of nightmare ||needed to get each of the statues, I only have the 1st one rn||

[waxen gorge]

yeah i had hestia on cast, and was trying to get her zeus duo boon to make the omega special do insane damage

[austere trail]

8 UW, 6 surface, then double for 2nd statue, then double again for third

so 8,6 -> 16,12 -> 32,24

[lime moth]

got it, thank you

weapon doesn't matter right?

[austere trail]

nope

[chilly swift]

Splash on attack, especially with froth is the way to go. Hera on special is a good complement. If you can get Poseidon's legendary, that causes splash to deal a lot more damage to Guardians, it will probably be your top source of damage on the end card

[ionic widget]

what is reticle magnetism??

[hollow stag]

I just reached Athena for the first time. What are her good boons?

[lapis lantern]

I like the spend magic for javs, but I nearly always end up using her for new dd

Dash is nice as well for reflect

[hollow stag]

No dash, only cast

Unless I want to use my only reroll left

[brazen echo]

Really love the javelin one

Or impervious

I used to miss athena dash so much when i first started hades 2 but nowadays i don’t think it’s that good

And ofc if you’re using death then the dd one is strong

‘Your brother’s favorite’ yeah you don’t have to call me out athena

[safe galleon]

heyy guys i guess this is the best server to ask : WHAT is the Chest called that occasionally appears in the last dungeon surface / underworld, that gives rare resources?

Is the FEAR requirement level always 12 to get w/e sdust moon dust, nightmare, pet cookie?? Can't find any info about it on the wiki and i m desparately to know

[lapis lantern]

Getting 3 new dd has saved so many runs for me tbh

I think sometimes I've had the chest at 10 fear ? I could be misremembering tho

[safe galleon]

everytime i pick up the thing I forget to check and now there is a scratch i cant fix cuz no wiki talks about it

[lapis lantern]

Time to do another run then 👍

[safe galleon]

i just did and forgot,,, do it for me then (poke with stick)

doesnt always show up Either

[brazen echo]

Always 12 fear

And ofc no guaranteed appearance

[safe galleon]

@zeren do you know what that chest is called lol

[brazen echo]

Forgor

[safe galleon]

alrightttt

[brazen echo]

It’s a pretty late game incantation tho

[safe galleon]

ahhh i will check over there

[brazen echo]

You can prob check on the incantation list

[waxen gorge]

my only thing i dont like about aspect of Hel is the attack range is quite short, i couldn't reach Prometeus when he had his aoe flames

[lapis lantern]

Haha

[old flicker]

well that skull run was a disappointment

guess it needs more levels to increase the damage

[lean yoke]

omg look https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1nyqtrv/psa_how_to_overcome_bullet_hell_from_a_certain/

the door is the MVP

[safe galleon]

sighhh cant find it in the incantation list on the wiki w.t.h

[fading sluice]

Is there any trick to RNG or rerolling for boons so that you get the same god frequently?

I saw Boated did a surface run where he just rerolled once on the doors and got all Posiedon to try and force Poseidon's legendary boon,

I then tried it and managed to force an Aphrodite legendary boon early.

But next run I tried it, and it seems like no matter how I reroll it won't show Aphrodite. So no clue is there any RNG trick to this

[safe galleon]

i just kill and return to shadow to reroll, its much easier to do this when you are doing it on the surface

[fading sluice]

i think we are talking about different things, im talking about rerolling the door reward to get all same boon

like getting 5 poseidon boons in a row

[safe galleon]

well doesnt the first dungeon on surface gives you a higher chance for that to happen without temping with the codes? maybe they prep the file by manipulate with seeds etc (speaking from what i saw players do in other game?

[civic ocean]

There’s no particular rng trick to this in surface - there is a big list of things that a door can be in ephyra so your best bet is:

-make sure hammer and moon are showing (if one of these is on the door it cannot roll to that)

• get the god you want in your pool

-roll god doors that aren’t the god you want

[safe galleon]

although i find the game pretty forgiving and will give me the boon that allign with my keepsake if I reroll at doors thats a boon (not resource) like 70% of the time Given i focus on a god or two for duo boon builds

[safe galleon]

true i do it on the surface cuz you can do everything in one map instead of constantly beating a room trying to roll (a bit of a time saver more or less)

i think most of the early game rerolling is seeded and if its not working just KYS and begin again

[gaunt canopy]

Use miniboss doors to reroll whenever possible, because they can only roll 'major' god boons or whatever the term is for not selene or hermes

You get so much powerful QoL stuff by late game, even 'scoop up all resources automatically' incantation, so im pretty surprised you can NEVER get the ability to freely teleport home without erasing the run even though its literally something Melinoe starts with the power to do, story wise

Very minor issue if you're in olympus, significantly more annoying if youre trying to do something in Erebus in late game

[civic ocean]

Dialogue flags are tied to a run end presumably

[steep galleon]

||Zag|| is quite something on frenzy 2 man

[gaunt canopy]

Sure, I just mean a 'end run immediately so i dont have to stand there and get poked to death by weak enemies' option

[civic ocean]

There is an incantation that lets you reroll your seed once you get further in the game

[junior dome]

wait, are the lights that tell you where collectibles are linked to your forget me not?

[edgy nacelle]

nope, those lights show up for every resource, and come from a very early incantation.
a hand symbol will show up on the door to the next room if that room has something you marked with a forget me not, tho

[gaunt canopy]

Moving to #h2-discussion because I know I'm off topic here

[junior dome]

so if you want to tell apart rooms with collectibles from rooms with none, just forget me not every recipee you have?

[edgy nacelle]

I suppose? but not every gatherable resource will be needed for a recipe, most likely

or like, all of them are for some recipe, but having a recipe for each one available at once is rare

[junior dome]

i mean if you have many locked weapons and arcana and such, and there's a few repeatable recipees, its pretty easy

or at least to cover most gatherables

[compact ginkgo]

is there somewhere where i can see what my current power / percentage on all my attack/specials are?

[fluid cloud]

Any tips for Mel Axe boon combo? Any hammers I should look for specifically? Having trouble making sense of it. seems mid.

[lime cliff]

Besides getting weapons to V, and getting arcanas to 30 and upgrade them (insight), there is nothing else that gives you boosts during the attempts correct?
I am trying to do surface 24, but im not having much luck.
Just lost an attempt on the mini-boss before typhon, but i am sure i would not be able to beat typhon without any extra life anyway.

[edgy nacelle]

getting and upgrading familiars
unlocking and ranking up keepsakes
uhhhh I guess in theory unlocking new NPC boons via friendship/quests but most of them aren't good enough for it to matter much

beyond that it's mainly just practice and experience, and game knowledge to be able to plan your build better and know what's good on a given weapon

[lime cliff]

Oh, there is NPC boons? I have nothing on relationships.

[edgy nacelle]

I mean stuff from characters like Arachne, Narcissus, Medea, Circe etc

some of them have a boon which only unlocks if you do something first, like reach high friendship or do a quest.
but none of those boons are that amazing tbh, it just gives you more options not rly a power boost

keepsakes do a lot though, both in terms of getting a better build and staying alive

[lime cliff]

What keepsakes should i use for Medea?
I tried Zeus build, starting with:
Zeus -> Hera -> Gold Purse -> Knuckle Bones

Also tried Hephaestus build with
Hephaestus -> Hera -> Gold Purse -> Knuckle Bones

I had more luck with Hephaeustus hammer build so far.

I usually try to get his hammers on as many slots as possible, increase level to decrease cd, and get supporting buffs that either give Power or %dmg.
Aphrodite > Hera > Zeus > Hermes in this order of priority.

[viral yew]

Zeus-aphro-athena-white antler, droplet, knucklebones

[steep galleon]

Zeus start to get blitz on special works, from there it depends on what you need at the moment really

I like Ares or Aphro on attack, Hera works too

[lime cliff]

I tried Zeus build, but the damage seems lower than Hephaestus to clean mobs. I must be doing something wrong.

(i prioritize blitz)

On the ship mobs, things start to get bad. My time with Hephaeustus is MUCH better than with Zeus.

Idk why.

[viral yew]

You're probably not building/playing it right, heph is a lot less consistent than zeus

[gritty solstice]

Is there a way to make Nyx Aspect cool?

[viral yew]

Yes

[edgy nacelle]

Heph in general is very forgiving, if you get pom levels and some duo boons it's hard for Heph to not work, whereas Blitz has the potential to be stronger but is like.... more possible to play badly, imo.
maybe look up some videos of medea gameplay?

[junior dome]

So there's a little symbol next to selene's hex's that says it indicates a god-duo option is on its skill tree
However, any time I take any hex, it always has a god duo option, even without the symbol?

[edgy nacelle]

imo lean hard into on-hit effects like scorch and splash, since nightspawn can trigger them.
it may just not be an aspect you enjoy, but it's tied for my favorite coat aspect. it's fairly simple and spam-y but with the right boons it feels fun as hell imo

[gritty solstice]

How?....... HOW?

[edgy nacelle]

each hex is tied to a specific god, and the god duo upgrade (the "godsent" hex) will only show up if you have that god in your pool already, or are holding their keepsake.
the symbol next to the hexes when you pick one shows up if you already have that god in your pool. if you get them later, the godsent upgrade will still be available, which is probably what's happening to you if it seems like they always show up

[lime cliff]

Id like to know what i should be doing.
I use the basic attack -> special cycle. I get blitz damage on special.

I don't know if i should be getting blitz to attack too, but i suppose not.

[viral yew]

Hestia/pos/zeus attack, keep charging sprint and go for hera special

[viral yew]

Blitz on special, %damage on the attack, aphro is best

Attack special as fast as possible

[edgy nacelle]

if it feels rough in AoE then it's probably because you aren't special-ing through all the enemies, I'd guess?
heph blasts happen in an AoE so they don't require you to aim much when dealing with crowds, but blitz will only happen to enemies your special actually hits

[lime cliff]

The problem is that special-ing through enemies in ship and above is very risky, so i can't safely special in the middle of a pack.

With Heph i can special on a mob at the side, and get damage on everyone. With Zeus i am taking huge risks if i try to be greedy.

[junior trail]

hera special or go full heinous/light smile build

[compact ginkgo]

uhhh is this a bug?? i got the duo Ripple Effect (effects from fine line and ocean swell have chance to fire 2x) but i don't have fine line. i literally got fine line offered to me in the same page

[steep galleon]

Maybe look into getting Demeter on cast for more safety?

[tall notch]

Do you have ocean swell?

[gritty solstice]

heinous look insteresting, ares on attack or special?

[compact ginkgo]

yes

oh.... rip lol

is this duo any good if i don't have fine line lol

sigh so unfortunate....

[tall notch]

Yeah it is!

Ocean Swell is nice too.

[compact ginkgo]

ok i will trust u and just get it

[edgy nacelle]

ocean swell is lower damage but more AoE, I'd say...? at least in front of you, anyway. and you can always grab fine line later
either way, fun boon

[compact ginkgo]

it was my last boon b4 chronos haha

but yeah icic

[grim gyro]

i stumbled upon a highest fear spreadsheet but it looks outdated, has max fear been beaten with every aspect yet?

[violet orchid]

If I use aphro on main attack for ax, what should I use for special? Or any duo’s I should try to get?

[final sedge]

I saw a Reddit thread that arc flash is bugged and doesn’t apply extra damage on all omega moves. Is that true?

[junior trail]

fixed in 1.0, this info comes from wiki and is quite outdated

[old flicker]

I don't know how I can take so much damage using the sister blades, even with parry

[grim gyro]

maybe bc its a melee weapon

[edgy nacelle]

the parry also has a fairly long cooldown, it only lets you avoid hits now and then 🤷
also the blades attack combo locks you in a bit if you commit to an attack sometimes. that + close range

[old flicker]

yeah, melee is annoying, will try PAN

[past salmon]

there is only 3 clears at all

[grim gyro]

is there a place where we can see the highest fear clears for each aspect?

[past salmon]

uhhh

idk Mini's sheet it outdated and I think crossroads might be behind atm hold on

[past salmon]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/

[past salmon]

fair warning there isnt distinction between modded and unmodded clears on here and its also not verified at all

[grim gyro]

oh interesting

[spiral wadi]

it's only really relevant to the cn ppl right

[past salmon]

I mean nothing on there is getting verified so its kinda just the wild west

[spiral wadi]

lol fair

[humble dagger]

What are good Gods to go with the black coat? Like I prefer Hestia for blades, Apollo/Zeus/Aphrodite for Staff, what should I go with for the black coat?

[steep galleon]

Pos or Zeus are good

Generally for fast low dmg attacks you want flat damage

[past salmon]

when in doubt Zeus it up or smth

[uneven palm]

Any combo of Hera Zeus Hestia Ares Poseidon on attack/special should work out

[compact ginkgo]

thoughts on aspect of artemis?

[signal coral]

parry is pretty unreliable

[compact ginkgo]

darn, it sounded cool

[signal coral]

i really like the base blades moveset so I dont mind playing it (though i prefer mel blades)
but people tend to view blades as slightly underpowered

[edgy nacelle]

some people really love it, imo it's fine at best.
try it and see if you vibe with it, but it's not like... op or anything.

[steep galleon]

Pretty fun weapon for me, my favorite daggers.

[signal coral]

though at the level most people play at if you're struggling its just skill issue

[compact ginkgo]

what's the most op aspect 👀 just unlocked them and deciding where to put my resources

[signal coral]

hidden aspect

objectively its by far the most powerful

[edgy nacelle]

blades are just weird since pan used to be op but then got nerfed, and nothing else really got buffed enough to compare...? the hidden blade aspect is great, but the other three are all a bit underwhelming imo

[magic moss]

medea

[signal coral]

oh in general or for blades specifically?

[steep galleon]

Medea, Moros, Circe is the consensus for strongest weapons afaik

[compact ginkgo]

besides medea? i dont got iron yet

[magic moss]

mel staff

[signal coral]

Staff: Circe and Mel
Blades: Hidden
Skull: Medea
Torch: Moros
Axe: Charon
Coat: Nyx

[edgy nacelle]

is there a weapon you really like playing? there are a lot of good aspects.
medea, moros, circe come to mind. both axe aspects are fun they're just different, charon is prob stronger but than axe is very fun especially if you disliked the slow attack speed of base axe

[signal coral]

generally circe, mel staff, and medea are top 3

but pick what you like and just max that first I guess

you'll get enough nightmare eventually

[steep galleon]

Charon is pretty cool and safe for the most part

[signal coral]

imo just focus on unlocking all aspects and try them out

the ones you like you can dump more resources into to level them up

[edgy nacelle]

yeah! they take different resources so there's not really an opportunity cost for unlocking and trying them

[signal coral]

try to focus on at least one aspect per weapon to level up just so you have an option if the random bones bonus lands on that weapon

[compact ginkgo]

thanks for all the suggestions! unfortunately i can't get circe, medea, moros, or charon yet lol. i'm really looking fwd to medea cuz skulls is my fav weapon so far. i think i'll try mel staff!

[signal coral]

but other than that just focus on unlocking all aspects so you can try them out

[steep galleon]

Wasn't the requirement for charon just a few of his cards? So basically you only have to spend money for that.

[edgy nacelle]

if you like skulls then persephone skulls are also fun!
medea is stronger, but also really unique (it's no longer a ranged weapon, your attack is completely different). persephone plays a lot more like the base skulls do, so if you like those you'll probably enjoy it

[compact ginkgo]

aren't the cards p rare? i usually dont have enough money by the end of tartarus to buy them 😅

[edgy nacelle]

you get them automatically for every 1000 gold you spend cumulatively in any charon shop, which carries over between runs!

[steep galleon]

I think you get a card per 1k gold spent on runs, not rare at all

[compact ginkgo]

gdi persephone requiring 5 poppy >.> im currently v poor lolol, only seen chronus 3x

[steep galleon]

And in the final shop you can sometimes buy a card for 600 gold I believe?

[edgy nacelle]

tbh if there's any aspect you can unlock then just go for it unless you need the resources for something else 🤷 they're all fun, and none are bad even if some are just okay

[compact ginkgo]

oh i did not know that lol, ok gotcha

also is there a place during the run i can see my total power + %s i've gained through the run?

[edgy nacelle]

I don't think so, you can view all the individual boons but there isn't a summary of the total bonus from every source combined afaik

if you finish a run and beat the final boss you get a damage summary of how much total damage every part of your kit did tho, which is neat. not really the same thing, but can help you get a sense of how much various boons were doing for you

[compact ginkgo]

ok gotcha. it's rly hard to tell if i should be boosting % or power when i can't see my base stats 😅

[steep galleon]

Btw how much nightmare does it take to fully upgrade a hidden aspect? 10?

[brazen echo]

9

[night lagoon]

Thought it was 1, 2, 2, 3, 3
Guessing it's 1, 1, 2, 2, 3?

[raw reef]

What’s a good build for the staff?

[elfin forge]

which

[elfin forge]

2 2 2 3
others are 1 1 1 2

[raw reef]

The regular one

[elfin forge]

zeus attack hera special

[edgy nacelle]

iirc it's blitz attack + damage% on special, usually (so hera, demeter, apollo, aphro, I guess ares technically)
dash strikes into specials will do good damage and pop blitz

[elfin forge]

or if you wanna be like boated who just did 67 fear, get demeter attack hera special

[edgy nacelle]

there are honestly a lot of solid staff builds, like dual thrasher + cardio gain with waves or something. blitz atk + % special just leans into the identity of Mel staff really well

[raw reef]

I was using the scorch then double hit

[junior trail]

dash strike > special loop, get thermal dynamic (zeus attack, % dmg special, hestia cast)

or mirrored/cardio and go ooga booga

[humble dagger]

may I ask why dash strike -> special? and what's appealing about hera? if it's just % dmg special then Apollo/Demeter also works right?

man mirrored + cardio gain is so good

[median anvil]

hera has hitch which is one of the best status effects in the game

[junior trail]

dash strike has range unlike normal attack + special animation cancel = safer gameplay, also melting swipe

[flat flare]

For the Infernal Beast, whenever I dodge its ground slam attacks from its fists, I can dodge the initial “slam” but the resulting AOE shockwave hits me 100% of the time due to its large radius and my dodge still being on cooldown.

What am I missing? Or do I need to just stay at maximum range the entire fight and only use long-range attacks?

[median anvil]

dash into the fist

the shockwave starts a short distance around his fist, so if you're inside it won't hit you

[turbid parrot]

any of the dmg boons multiplicative? or they all additive

[median anvil]

crit damage and double damage from ares, other than those a bunch of niche ones like freezer burn

[fossil bison]

typhon is lowkey tanky af

[viral yew]

65k health

[median anvil]

65k hp

[fossil bison]

noway bru

i didnt even know

[viral yew]

Prom has 33k for reference

[fossil bison]

tbh he is very tedious but can't say he is hard

[turbid parrot]

so not rly worth going for generally

[fossil bison]

7 hours is crazy

[median anvil]

yes they are? if you have like 200% additive then crits and double damage will hit for massive chunks

watch some antler tart runs and see how 30% crit chance is enough to delete everything

[turbid parrot]

i mean id take them if they get offered but wouldnt try to force it

[median anvil]

ah yeah that's correct