h2-builds-and-combat

[velvet hawk]

pets dont matter much right, can i just use the frog

[sudden sorrel]

thats hype ash

[viral yew]

Pets can be very important, but frog is one of the best

[velvet hawk]

ohh damn

[odd bolt]

Do you have the cat yet?

[supple lintel]

frog is fine, most of the time i use him for blocking hec morph

[sudden sorrel]

tula my beloved

[odd bolt]

Assuming you're using death defiance, cat helps a lot on the beginning

[velvet hawk]

nope, got frog, raven and doggo

[velvet hawk]

Mm

[odd bolt]

Frog is fine gives you extra hp

[sudden sorrel]

there isnt a stubborn defiance is there? aside from athena

[viral yew]

Yeah the extra hp is really nice, I always run frog at 32 fear

[velvet hawk]

well i dont have cookies to give, what do i do if i find it

[viral yew]

Cry

[supple lintel]

nope just athena

[indigo badger]

kinda agree, the heath boost goes a LONG way, even if frinos does not really do that much otherwise in my experience

will still use gale for the blocks tough

[velvet hawk]

got it, i love the frog

[velvet hawk]

[odd bolt]

Nope but more late game people tend to stop using death defiance to use strength

[snow panther]

Why people on reddit hate on torches ? they are fun

[viral yew]

The 40 plus health is just a godsend, especially on rivals

[odd bolt]

Also there kinda is stubborn defiance with Moros keepsake

[supple lintel]

i will usually just default to frog on strength if im not going for a high magick build

[viral yew]

Don't listen to the people on reddit

[velvet hawk]

i used them for a couple seconds and put them back in the shelves

[odd bolt]

Best weapon in the game don't listen to reddit

[velvet hawk]

ill try them after beating chronos

[supple lintel]

torches are alright but they dont feel quite as punchy as the other weapons

[indigo badger]

in my experience they are not really bad, like at all, but they dont really are the weapons with the most "ease of use", so i kinda get it, but otherwise is a skill issue

[velvet hawk]

my man

[odd bolt]

I love magick spam builds

They feel really punchy when ocean swell + fine line hit every second

[supple lintel]

picked up moros aspect recently, pretty fun tho

[sudden sorrel]

would that help someone getting bodied by prometheus rival

[viral yew]

Moros is still busted asf

[sudden sorrel]

my favorite for the torch

[viral yew]

Yeah

[odd bolt]

Yeah strength is like really good

[indigo badger]

btw witch staff you people think is the best?, im leading moros, but all staffs are good

[odd bolt]

Assuming you have a good grasp of the games enemies

[supple lintel]

dds do have better survivability than strength so if youre struggling id go for those

[odd bolt]

Staff? Circe

[supple lintel]

staff or torch? moros is for torches

[viral yew]

It's equal in power to dd's, you have less effective health but better healing, and more damage

[sudden sorrel]

id like to think so but it seems that 3 death defiances arent enough for me to conquer the wall that is prometheus rival

[plain fossil]

Torch specials dont have hit stun so it can feel a bit floaty at times

[viral yew]

What weapon/build are you using

[indigo badger]

wait im a dumbass, i got mixed momus with moros

[supple lintel]

lol well i like anubis

[viral yew]

Stinky

[indigo badger]

all staffs are good, but i think that's less about the bonuses of the staffs and moreso that the staff is really just a very reliable weapon

[supple lintel]

i like it when theres a big circle around me

[velvet hawk]

hera appeared for the first time, does any of her boons benefit my build

[indigo badger]

born again

[odd bolt]

You can never go wrong with born gain

[sudden sorrel]

than, usually mix it up between
ares
heph
zues
apollo (havent tried since bringing death to chronos)
and sometimes hestia

[odd bolt]

Spam omegas ggs

[snow panther]

the last slash in the hold attack pack alot of punch tbh

[supple lintel]

born gain is really good and her hitch effects are good for room clears, just try her out and see what happens

[indigo badger]

also the hera dash, its surprisingly good in my experience, but its single target for some reason

[velvet hawk]

well ill try to get born again but i can only choose between her atk, special and cast

[odd bolt]

Hera dash with supay looks so good

[snow panther]

I actually found them way more fun than sickles which everyone there praise

[supple lintel]

hera dash got buffed so its much more usable now

[velvet hawk]

ill take the cast then

[odd bolt]

Same, I don't like the sister blades a lot

[indigo badger]

didnt make that conection, but i will try next time the bone buff comes

[viral yew]

I love the sister blades

[odd bolt]

I liked pan aspect when it was turbo broken ngl

[viral yew]

Have clips of me melting bosses with Mel aspect if you need the proof

[junior trail]

real

[supple lintel]

it would be nice if omega special channel on pan was slightly faster, i feel like getting all of them out is basically never worth it

[sudden sorrel]

any recommendations luth?

[supple lintel]

% damage like aphro or apollo is good for than attack

[odd bolt]

You need a high % dmg

[odd bolt]

Yeah

[viral yew]

What weapons tho

[unkempt sleet]

Real pan is just a worse version of chiron

[sudden sorrel]

aspect of than

[odd bolt]

Put a cast that applies a curse, then maybe glamour gain to immediately apply weak too and get origination, then get a high % dmg boon like aphro or apollo and try to pom it as much as you can

Could also use a dash boon to get the origination

I don't think you wanna do specials with than aspect like at all, never

[unkempt sleet]

apollo on than aspect is fun coz the o attack gets Beeg

[junior trail]

also spice up with blitz on special or sth

[odd bolt]

Yeah unless you put like blitz

[sudden sorrel]

maybe I just need to get some sunshine on than

[indigo badger]

agreed

[odd bolt]

But I don't think you need it

[indigo badger]

i tried to make it work, but the cast speed is really the only thing stopping that aspect

[odd bolt]

It was faster before

[supple lintel]

id probably avoid ares, his kit is kinda lackluster

[velvet hawk]

any daedalus hammer i should be looking out for staff?

[unkempt sleet]

rip nergal with ares leggo you were as funny as you were fleeting

[junior trail]

mirrored/cardio and go ooga booga

[odd bolt]

The one that doubles your specials if you're really going for it

[unkempt sleet]

dual moonshot is nice

[odd bolt]

This one

[velvet hawk]

didnt get offered the cardio one

will go with dual moonshot, thanks

[supple lintel]

dual moonshot is really good yeah

[sudden sorrel]

would it spew plasma

[velvet hawk]

run didnt go as planned, hestia on special works right

or i can roll the door

got demeter attack btw

[odd bolt]

roll if possible

[supple lintel]

special has a slow fire rate so probably not

[odd bolt]

You want a big % DMG on the special

[velvet hawk]

got a pom

[sudden sorrel]

hestia can be really nice

[unkempt sleet]

the ares leggo makes all your plasma come to you automatically rather than having to pick it up + pre-nerf there was no cap to the attack/move speed (it’s capped at 100 now rip). so nergal attack was stupid fast (even if your own move speed was super hard to control)

[supple lintel]

uncapped plasma was so funny but its probably for the best its capped

[sudden sorrel]

oh then you just heal too

[unkempt sleet]

you were immortal, attacked like crazy, and also were so fast it almost became uncontrollable

[sudden sorrel]

hera duo would be nutty with that

[indigo badger]

question, im starting a run with a legendary hephastus special, any ideas on how can i go just full-on heph this run?

[unkempt sleet]

you want hestia attack/special on weapons that hit fast (there’s a delay to using your staff special)

[unkempt sleet]

poseidon duo called seismic servo, or his duos with Demeter, Aphro or Hestia

[velvet hawk]

Mm, kinda like zues boons from the first game right

[sudden sorrel]

posidon duo
haphestus blast buffs (2 different boons)

[supple lintel]

yeah poseidon duo is really good, there are also a couple of other nice duos like hestia and apollo

there are a lot of ways to go for it but poseidon duo improves the build a lot

[junior trail]

spiral knives/hook knives my beloved

[unkempt sleet]

poseidon heph duo feels almost essential when going all in on heph blasts

[uneven palm]

Blast duos are Hestia > Apollo/Poseidon > Dem IMO

[indigo badger]

got it

[sudden sorrel]

also the hestia duo is good with a fast swing

[junior trail]

why chain > servo? arent they doing the same shortening cooldown thing?

[uneven palm]

Chain is 2x, Servo is less than that

Servo is good and particularly useful if you’re not landing Poms on the blast boons

[supple lintel]

is heinous affront affected by servo? i remember hearing something about that

[uneven palm]

It wasn’t in EA. I haven’t checked in 1.0

[sudden sorrel]

did it get nerfed to a 3 second cap

heph attack

[indigo badger]

first 2 boons after the heroic heph special were furnace blast and grand caldera, this run is hella blessed for some reason

[supple lintel]

heph blasts have a 2 sec cap unless you have servo which reduces it to 1

[uneven palm]

2s via Poms, 1.4 with Servo

[sudden sorrel]

I been unlucky then, hasnt been showing up in my poms past level 2

[indigo badger]

now heroic poseidon strike, what is even this run???, now I only need the duo and to to town with it

[velvet hawk]

aphro on special ?

[sour cape]

How you use Medea? Always seem to get hit charging in

[velvet hawk]

works right?

[indigo badger]

spam attack, then just dash then special to nuke enemies, the dash is mostly to shorten range, as the special has less range than you would think it does

[sour cape]

Yea seems gotta stay close to hit with special but dont get iframes during it

[indigo badger]

also its best in my experience to get closer walking, dash out of an attack to the sides, then barge in with the special

you can also hits walls with it to detonate, as the explosion radious is actually quite big, so that's an option if you are dealing with a bunch of armored small enemies

as you can attack special a wall again and again to deal damage around you

[somber agate]

any recommendations for 32 fear options (for surface)?

[spiral wadi]

basically avoid grit and hordes since they make surface way more of a slog to get thru

rivals 2 at most cuz poly and eris are kinda easy, prometheus has an insane difficulty spike

money is a big issue so u prob don't want to use debt, esp since it basically leads to u only using hermes shrines like once, very rarely twice in a run

menace is kinda weird cuz certain enemy detection ranges are balanced around olympus, so they can fire way further away from u visually (since the camera is zoomed in more) in thessaly

tho should be fine as long as u do a decent job at poking them, i think gale's way stronger on surface over uw since u tend to take less individual hits that deal more dmg

[covert thunder]

just curious if anyone else thinks rival for Oceanus is difficult as hell? i'm struggling so bad against her and can't seem to find a decent build. i'm stuck at 16 fear for all weapons and can't seem to get any further. i almost beat the surface with morrigan and a decent hephestus build but did not prevail

[spiral wadi]

yea scylla uw is prob the worst of the 4 ngl

[covert thunder]

i literally can't beat her and i've tried different weapons and aspects each time

[spiral wadi]

the way i try to roll is deal with the bottom tentacles first since that spaces u away from scylla's starting dash and the drummer's first pattern always starts from her to the other side

then just try to stay in the middle of charyb and drummer since the drummer doesn't have a pattern that starts from the middle

i like dealing with the drummer asap tho, she has a combobreak if she takes a lot of damage that she does a ground circle blast, but otherwise she has too much aoe denial if left alive

for scylla dash i find either just dash behind her asap, or time it to dash just before she dashes

[somber agate]

i feel like i am wasting gale most of the time (tho maybe should be expected since i just came back after a long break)

[spiral wadi]

yea that's me lol, tbh u could also consider doing toula or frinos

there's a lot of hp sources on surface i find

[covert thunder]

do you have a favorite weapon/aspect that's good to fight against her? any particular builds i should attempt with?

[spiral wadi]

i like rolling staff, like mel staff or circe, cuz it gives me the most mobility while having the punch to burn them down

coat and flames are fun but they require a bit more high level understanding to use them, tho if ur able to use them they're great too

selene aspect has really good bossing esp with ares godsent, u can prob burn down drummer right at the start of phase 2

also when scylla is dashing i like to direct her to either the drummer or one of the tentacles, so i can aoe deal with both

tho it might be safer to direct her away from the drummer if she's too much of an issue

[lime moth]

How the heck do people level up some boons so high?? I barely get any power up rooms/in Charon's shop

[spiral wadi]

also jetty kinda sucks u should also keep track of her as much as possible

[lime moth]

"Strike level 100" HOW THE HECK

[covert thunder]

yeah i actually hate her it's hard to keep track of her sometimes and other times i forget she's even there lmaooo

[spiral wadi]

i've never seen lv100 lmao, but it was probably like a zeus or hera sacrifice, then echo double lv

[lime moth]

Prob

[spiral wadi]

yeaa it doesn't help jetty's super tiny lol

[covert thunder]

i really do like ygnium and its aspects, i love playing with all but supay is by far my favorite

[spiral wadi]

her bouncing things also last for eons, kinda wish they disappeared after jetty dies or smth

actually maybe they do i haven't paid attention to 1.0 changes much

[orchid sierra]

which boon that's u should always pick in a normal run guy?

[covert thunder]

i'd say i'm pretty decent at the fighting part and getting combos but i suck at dodging

[lime moth]

THANK GOD THEY NERFED THE VAMPIRE

[spiral wadi]

o yea umbral flames is really solid, supay gives most mobility tho yea it requires way more dodging

[lime moth]

I was crashing out a few days ago cos I had him on low HP and he hit me ONCE and restored all of his hp

[spiral wadi]

lol wait i think i forgot that was a thing lmao

[covert thunder]

when i'm using supay its so easy for me to dodge, and for the most part once i get a rhythem down i can land dodges. i feel like i need someone to watch me play to tell me what i'm doing wrong cause i feel like i'm playing it wrong lmao

[lime moth]

The vamp?

[spiral wadi]

ye

[lime moth]

Yeah, and they made him super annoying in the 1.0 update

[spiral wadi]

yea, i think there's also a good number of supay videos in high fear

[lime moth]

He can literally hit you once and he could have been at 1 hp, bro is gaining back like a thousand easily

[spiral wadi]

yea i just cast and stay away from vamp as much as possible lol

[lime moth]

The other night I was crashing out because I had the worst build possible with him.

No cast
I was using nergal (which I main), but axe attack is fairly slowish, and he he can just attack you even as you attack him.
My only hex was the one that rises fallen enemies to fight for you and he could easily kill those and regain HP 💔 (Thank god they removed this in today's update)

Add to the fact that I was doing 20 fear

[spiral wadi]

yea axe is painfully slow lol

it's the only weapon where i find myself consistently taking 30 seconds on a miniboss without some cracked build

[lime moth]

nergal is def the fastest, and extremely god, top tier weapon, but definitely wouldn't recommend against him

[lofty anchor]

Ankh staff, plus a +200% Heroic high level Nova Strike, plus Slow Cooker at +22 damage, plus Rallying Cry, plus that Hermes' boon that increases damage when at 8+ of any element = a 16 min run for me, a new record (for me, at least)
It also was my run that finally finished the game and wrapped up the story.

[lime moth]

I really like the omega special, you like, jump, it's like dodging and attacking at the same time

pretty sick

[versed marlin]

Whats the best Pan, Hestia flourish build?

[spiral wadi]

hestia and poseidon have prob the strongest flourishes on pan

[elder lichen]

What is the most brainless build I can go just to farm some wins? I'm talking getting to the end of the story not further than that. I've beat the game without asking so now I just want the easiest/most op thing.

[spiral wadi]

circe aspect zeus cast toula/raki

[viral yew]

Any good charon builds/tips, i suck at this weapon

[mystic viper]

What's everyone favorite builds/playstyles? I'm personally all about Ygnium with Aspect of Eos, then having hitch on special and lightning on attack

[open pawn]

Geyser from Poseidon

[viral yew]

Not apollo?

[open pawn]

Yeah Geyser adds +Power

Give it a try

[viral yew]

mkmk will do

[open pawn]

Add anything else with Cast that you want, but getting geyser is the only requirement I'd say

Lemme know how it goes haha

[viral yew]

apollo pos it is then

[open pawn]

also just tapping cast and holding special right after will be your fastest way to combo

I swear aspect of charon is just a ranged weapon

[viral yew]

Just pulled a natural pos lmao this run is gonna be great

[elder lichen]

Sorry for not being the sharpest tool in the shed, but you mind breaking down everything, but the zeus cast part of that?

[open pawn]

LOL GOOD LUCK

[viral yew]

FIRST TWO BOONS ARE APOLLO CAST AND GEYSER SPOUT

Absolute cinema

[open pawn]

Run Aspect of Circe (Staff)
Get Zeus Cast: Storm Ring
Follower: Bring Toula the Cat or Raki the Raven

[open pawn]

Ahahahaha no freaking way

that's amazing. absolute cinema

[viral yew]

I have 1 roll left but so worth

[open pawn]

So worth

[plain fossil]

Apollo gain is probably the only requirement for charon

U can use hera in a pinch but apollo is so good why would u

Everything else u can pretty much do whatever u like, at higher fear its nice to have something on ur cast that breaks blue shields

Gust or zeus cast or whatever

[open pawn]

Gust is goated

[plain fossil]

Btw does anybody get this weird thing with charon if u click a targeted cast boon like glowing coal, it adds some backswing to the cast animation or something so the special doesnt always come out the first time u click it after

I noticed it a lot in 1.0 and didnt notice it at all when i was playing charon in the early patches of EA

[open pawn]

I haven't tried in 1.0

[signal coral]

the ranged cast boons all have an animation I think

whereas regular cast can be put down mid-attack and can be animation canceled with your attack

definitely doesn't feel as smooth if you take glowing coal

[plain fossil]

Yea that must be it thanks

[trail fern]

Hey guys, bit of a beginner question but I'm doing my first medea run (still quite new to the game and went in blind), and I started with the Zeus special, and just got possessed array, which from what I can tell are the big things to go for - what are some other things I should look out for now that I've got those out of the way?

[open pawn]

Grab an attack boon you like tbh.

[trail fern]

I'm getting a lot of hera - her attack ok?

[open pawn]

It will let you bounce from enemy to enemy so I say go for it

At least for room clearing.

Aphrodite is a solid choice too

Since you’re already in melee

[trail fern]

I don't have her yet, but I'll keep her in mind if I find her

I'm going up to try get my first topside kill, but haven't had luck yet - hopefully this'll be the run!

[open pawn]

Medea is a cracked aspect so definitely give it multiple runs

[open pawn]

Yoooo good luck 💜

[trail fern]

Yeah, I just got it unlocked after hearing how good it is - I've won downstairs 4 times but haven't won upstairs yet, so hopefully this helps!

[bronze flax]

Aspect of Persephone. It's fun finding ways to accumulate Olympian Damage and then a big Omega Special

And Supay, Supay is fun

[open pawn]

Oh and Demeter is funny on attack if you get the duo boon with Zeus

[trail fern]

I'll keep an eye out? I don't even know if I've seen their duo yet!

[open pawn]

👀👀👀

It’ll make sense when you finally get the duo boon. I won’t spoil it lol

(You can also grab her cast. Anything from her that freezes)

[signal coral]

if you find possessed array you want born gain + a lot of max magick (at least 200+ unprimed)

if you do not have possessed array then a gain boon and magick is useless, as medea doesn't really use magick outside of possessed array builds

regardless you want a reasonable attack boon, pretty much anything that isn't heph is fine, though hestia and poseidon are unideal (also no zeus attack since you already have blitz special)

[trail fern]

I found born gain and possessed array! I'm at 180 magick so far, so close, and just left ephyra

[signal coral]

do you know the typical medea playstyle?

you want to load one skull and then immediately hit an enemy with it using special

you can do this very quickly, and the typical playstyle is alternating attack -> special over and over again as fast as the game will allow you

[trail fern]

I saw haelian do a video the other day so been working on it!

[signal coral]

yeah once you get the playstyle/rhythm down you go very fast and do a lot of damage

with possessed array especially you should really feel things die quickly

[trail fern]

Yeah so far it's been good

[late mica]

I think this is the right channel as it is part of my build, but not 100% sure.

Lmao I just had a hilarious build. Wasnt even going for it but it kept showing up as best options
Rare Quick Buck (30% gold)
Rare Enshrouded Affluance (105% gold)
Epic Buried Treasure (+100% to gold, health, and bones)
Common Success Rate (+30% to most chances)
Epic Lvl 4 Sea Star (65% chance to double drops with help from success rate)

Literally +235% gold. A triple coin in the last area in underworld gave me a bit over 1000 gold (sadly no doubling). APparently Sea Star can doublee selene. And I have 3674 gold left after buying ouit literally every shop. Thats like 3.6 obol points at minimum. I cant tell whether to be happy or sad

What other stuff couldve I gotten? Is there anything else gold is good for

[spiral wadi]

the game should stop giving me boonless shadow spiller i've had it 3 runs on a row

[stable herald]

hm... is there a Fates' Whim arcana setup that has Excellence, Divinity, and doesn't require picking Death and Strength together?

[spiral wadi]

i just roll with strength and death together lol

u can always just proc middle row for divinity

[cinder palm]

Anyone know if supay is affected by attack speed?

[stable herald]

I could just say F it and decide that a handful of extra 1 & 2 cost cards are worth more than higher duo boon chance

[spiral wadi]

yea, esp cuz no rerolls already makes it harder to get key duos anyway

[cedar iris]

did the aspect of Shiva get stealth nerfed in the latest update? Or did you always have to stand in the omega special in order to gain destruction stacks? I could have sworn you didn't have to before

[indigo badger]

have any of you tried going Hel skull with Hera's special?, the hitch's damage goes nut with that

you just trow it out and the status just gets spread way too much for the amount of effort it requires to just remember that special, is, indeed, a button

[brazen ore]

you always had to yeah

[cedar iris]

ok thanks! guess I just wasn't paying enough attention

[indigo badger]

what does the destruction stacks do anyways?, i just always go shiva because the special is more comftable than the other aspects

[analog ether]

If I can get the set up, I love it.

[analog ether]

If I'm remembering, it gives bonus crit rate to your next O Attack.

[indigo badger]

oh, so no wonder it never did anything for me, I never use the omega attack on that weapon

[stable herald]

not crit rate, just raw bonus damage

Shiva OAttack rocks, it launches you forward

[analog ether]

Might've been a previous Shiva version then that I'm thinking of.

Anyway, it's great with Weed Killer and Apollo Attack.

You can basically hit half a chamber with it.

[indigo badger]

with shiva i honestly just go zeus special and whearever extra the game trows at me

[stable herald]

Hera and Apollo special are great on Shiva too

[analog ether]

Just make sure you have a good gain, because Shiva is very magick hungry.

[stable herald]

another reason why I love Hera on it

[indigo badger]

meanwhile me just balling it and stubbornly not using any magick because i go divinity, the queen and hubris

i would rather cease than drop the increased odds, even at the magick loss

should probably go stuff like denial or grit, but alas

[violet orchid]

What keepsake do y’all usually start with? I always start with moon beam so I can get my hex straight out the gate but idk if that’s a good move or not

[bronze pine]

I just go apollo or Hepaestus depending on weapon

[indigo badger]

concave stone tends to be my go-to, as it gives clear direction of what i should go with the build the run will go with

[violet orchid]

Is that the one from
Echo? I don’t have all the trinkets so I’m still working on getting em

[indigo badger]

yup, wanna know what it does or wanna keep the surprise for when yoy get it?

[violet orchid]

I have that one, just don’t remember all the names

[indigo badger]

i see, but yeah, having a 2 for 1 deal on a boon its very good, even if it is just to lower the boon pool on that particular god

and that's the worst case scenario, best case scenario i get two requirements for either a duo boon or a legendary boon

[violet orchid]

I knew there were requirements for duo boons, but wasn’t aware there were for legendary. They similar to duo requirements?

[indigo badger]

yup, its usually 3 requirements at least, with the lower chance added on top

if you have the upgrade you can check witch requirements the legendary of each olimpyan has, they tend to get pretty specific sometimes

[violet orchid]

Which upgrade is it? I probably have it and just never realized it.

[indigo badger]

open the book of shadows then go to the olympian's tab, then check on the lower side of the UI to see if you have a prompt for "offerings", that's how you check all boons and their requirements (if any)

[unreal shore]

Which boons does medea want, i heard zeus special is good

[indigo badger]

zeus on special, in my experience at least, as the special lands before the attacks, so zeus applies blitz, then the damage from the attacks detonates blitz, independant on what you have in attack really

aphrodite would work wonders on attack too, as you kinda need to be at melee range for the skull, so might as well get more damage

[unreal shore]

Ooh thanks

[lapis lantern]

Guys 32 underworld is a struggle 😔

Closest in getting is with torches but ... It's so hard

[elfin forge]

I first tried it with medea, its too good

[plain fossil]

U will get there i believe in u

Just get hit less 👍

[lapis lantern]

Trying to get hit less 😭

Like sometimes I'll clear a room and Im like .. AHH so that's how It feels when u do everything right..and then the next room happens lol

[turbid parrot]

i feel you

one room is do hitless, next one i lose half my hp

[lapis lantern]

I generally do ok room wise even if some are a bit ropey but Scyllas kicking my arse

[viral yew]

Rivals or normal

[lapis lantern]

Rivals 3

I've cleared both at 24

But trying to ding this 32 is a real challenge, I'm enjoying it dont get me wrong

But need to vent a little a bit inbetween tries

[fathom pewter]

I wanna get some build variety in, could anyone recommend a nice build for any non-Mel aspect on any weapon?

I’m not picky at all, my clears have only been on Mel staff till now

[spiral wadi]

circe aspect is really fun, just slam a cast boon and start doing funny stuff with it

zeus cast is really good with raki or toula

[fathom pewter]

I’ll do that, tysm🫂🫂

I keep trying to min-max without actually having the familiarity that i did with H1

But I’m loving the grind so far

[fathom pewter]

Do you have any recommendations for the mechsuit?😅😅😅

[spiral wadi]

i like poseidon on special

[fathom pewter]

Ty 🫡

[cosmic steppe]

I'm too skill issued to utilize romantic spark on medea

Legitimately can't dash through in time, atk dmg procs the blitz from special

[fossil yoke]

How does the "you take -30% damage while using them" work in terms for Aspect of Hel for example?

is it just when I press the button, or for however long it is flying around?

[severe condor]

so I have Unseen Ire, Giga Dash, and Cinerary Circle and I can't pick

I have nuts magic regen but I don't know if it'll make circle that much better

[verbal tapir]

Guys, whst should i do after i beat Kronos amd typhoon? How do i progress Further? Do i NEED to increase fear and can i progress without it?

[frail sorrel]

u dont need to increase fear

[verbal tapir]

I killed Kronos now 3 Times and typhon 2. Maybe i need to do that more?

[bleak lion]

Is Beach Ball good? Why does it do 71k dmg, more than Flame Flourish on Circe Staff

https://i.postimg.cc/mDdCBNrY/image.png

[surreal hazel]

Beach ball BIG

[exotic fiber]

Any way to force a nemesis spawn?

Somehow i still miss that 1k gold on my EA save (I am quite sure I did defeat her at least 20 times but eh, that was before the update 1.0)

[inland pumice]

Can someone confirm something for me? Archaic seal states "your next Well of Charon item with a duration will instead expire after 2 Guardians". This would not apply to Breath of Eros ("Whenever you would next take damage, receive healing in that amount instead; Expires after: 1 Hit") right?

because a "hit" is not a duration

seperate from locations

[paper hemlock]

do it more until you can do relevant incantations

[paper hemlock]

it wouldn't apply to that

[inland pumice]

Yeah I figured, it would basically make you immortal lol. I think what caught me was just realizing "expires after 3 locations" and "expires after 1 hit" are both durations, it's just you have more control over when or if the second one happens

[fading moth]

Hermes legendary. I made a lot of gold during a run (more than 4k thanks to a late game keepsake, Chaos and Poseidon). When I arrived to the underworld last boss, I could face tank the one shot attack (losing 3k gold in the process but hey) 🙂

[sudden sedge]

Does Prominence Flare still stop you from casting the next Cast?

[surreal hazel]

It tells you under the affected items "2 Guardians" instead of their usual durations

[surreal hazel]

No, they fixed that

[inland pumice]

that will only show up after you purchase the item though, right? so you would only see if it changes or not if you spend the coin

[surreal hazel]

Yes

Not unreasonable to buy one and try the next shop

Particularly the post scylla shop

[glass wraith]

Does Hestia's burning Sprint help with the red blobby projectiles encountered on the Surface? (i.e., Typhon, Charybdis)

[stable herald]

it does not, only stuff that is explicitly fire like the flame traps in Ephyra or Thessaly

[low pond]

best nyx sprint?

zeus? hera?

[glass bone]

The main benefit of Nyx isn’t actually the Omega Sprint. To me, it is the Omega Sprint’s bonuses with the Nightspawn. You want to take Scorch Special imo.

But if you want to take a sprint boon, Hera or Apollo’s is best imo, because they both apply a curse and have some extra good benefit (movement speed for Apollo, extra damage for Hera).

[stable herald]

I'm not the biggest fan of Hera's sprint, since it only applies damage to unhitched targets. Maybe I'm underestimating it though, they buffed it in 1.0 right?

[surreal hazel]

massively

by which I mean the AoE on it is same/similar to blinding rush

you can just nexus rush past a bunch of light enemies and they'll all die

[cunning furnace]

Guys
ive noticed something stupid that people forget:

GRAB THE GATHERING STUFF ONCE PER RUN FOR THE FREE ELEMENTS PLEASE.

[low pond]

i feel bad for base coat, it’s just worse nyx. maybe if it was 40%. oh well

[surreal hazel]

20% attack and move speed is no joke

[cosmic steppe]

It is, functionally, a joke

Even when shiva was bad Mel coat was a worse shiva

[narrow spade]

Shiva coat bad

Whatever you say dude

[stable herald]

was bad, they're talking about when it was first introduced in early access and basically unfinished

got a huge glow-up in subsequent patches

[surreal hazel]

Reading is hard

[cosmic steppe]

Catching o-special back then legitimately took more time than waiting for 1.0

[surreal hazel]

Took longer to fall than a meteor took

[low pond]

i did quite like the original shiva

the special was slow

[surreal hazel]

But hey, the basic combo is niiiiiiice

[low pond]

but the effect was nice, it certainly felt smoother than current shiva imo

[cosmic steppe]

I liked the destruction more back then tbh

Skipped last wave of Lucifer orbs on eris

[narrow spade]

I did not get shiva when the game was in ea tbh, at some point I just gave up until 1.0 would arrive

[cosmic steppe]

That's pog in my book

[rough patio]

wow hephaestus is sooooooooo good with the funny pom keepsake

[cosmic steppe]

But truth be told coat needed the o attack synergy in at least one of four aspects, was silly otherwise

I had just gotten supay after 1.0 despite having 100 runs on the unseen

[low pond]

god i miss og supay

[cosmic steppe]

My presence of mind was completely drained by the time I had gotten to Tartarus so I was at 0 marble through the entirety of unseen

[narrow spade]

Apollo special makes shiva's special comically large, I love it

[low pond]

i wish they made it so the omega attack was ranged instead or some other hilarious effect

[surreal hazel]

and novastrike makes punches HUGE

add in reaper frame and uhhh: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218621088049659930/1413988070784761967/200A0F1.JPG?ex=68de3b42&is=68dce9c2&hm=183d673535a7e4b6ce58049fde5a826ac53d826605d8f8e2fe645442857d8300&

[narrow spade]

Damn, that's a one huge punch

[surreal hazel]

hits enemies in the next room

[narrow spade]

🙃

*location

My last build with shiva was just spamming hera's specials and abusing fully developed night bloom

Gods I love that hex so much

[rough patio]

Do any of the dash boons in this game do anything?

i feel like they're very inconsistent at applying curses for origination

and don't really do damage or protect you

but i'm probably just missing something

I never pick them really

[gritty crow]

The best dash boons imo are either high damage ones that activate when you sprint or just ones that make the curse apply with sprint just for Origination, Hestia for example is one that I always avoid since it doesn't do either one of the things I mentioned

[stable herald]

dash boons are huge, but pay attention to the duration of each status curse and which ones even add a curse

Apollo and Demeter have my favorite dash boons for applying status, Hera is good but I haven't used it enough Zeus is great for damage and Hestia's okay, the rest are okay to meh

[rough patio]

i see

i paid attention to apollo dash

i do remember demeter dash applying the curse decently now that you mention it though

oh also is it just me or is picking up health way better now than in hades 1?

[narrow spade]

I like smithy dash, it's one of my favourites, it goes hard with supay
As for curses, you need an additional boon to inflict glow though

[rough patio]

maybe it's just because i'm playing with strength arcana card but im rating health in between boons i really want and boons i dont care about

i just like picking up health constantly in a way that i didnt in the other game

but idk if that's a strategic error

[stable herald]

Strength makes every point of health and healing almost twice as valuable

[worldly vector]

Made thanatos axe, need builds for it

[rough patio]

spiritual affirmation my goat

[uncut sigil]

man, I always have more problems with Prom and the Typhon babies than Typhon himself now
maybe its because my builds get strong and I stupidly facetank but still

[stable herald]

Spawn of Typhon is a Dark Souls boss basically

[gritty crow]

Raki for the familiar and Apollo attack to try and get Apollo legendary so you can spam omega attacks with psychic whirlwind hammer to not be susceptible to damage, it's usually what I do for Than and Mel axe

[rough patio]

which one is that?

[stable herald]

the rhino lookin guy

[rough patio]

is it a rivals thing?

[uncut sigil]

maybe other bosses are much easier just to nuke out of oblivion but you can't do that with most of the Olympus bosses because they have phase invulnerability, so maybe I get sloppy

and with Prom and Spawn I gotta actually juke and shoot a lot more than usual

[rough patio]

Is there a fear guide like the 32 heat one for the old game?

[narrow spade]

Grisly gain and ares legendary for stupidly fast attack and frequent crits

[uncut sigil]

which is a good thing, but yeah

[worldly vector]

What's a grisly gain, which god is that

[narrow spade]

Ares

The one that gives you plasma

Each droplet gives you +1% attack speed, if you manage to stack it you attack stupidly fast

[uncut sigil]

eh I feel it can be good depending on the build but it's not as universal/valuable as other boons

[narrow spade]

Also ares and hera duo lets you keep some of them after you exit a location

[gritty crow]

Ares legendary pretty much makes the plasma stuff worth it, if you don't get it you can still win but it's way harder since it doesn't come directly to you

[worldly vector]

Should I run excellence then, to try to get the legendary

[stable herald]

imo Excellence is never worth the five grasp

[gritty crow]

Eh, not really, 5 grasp is just too much

[narrow spade]

From my experience, ares' particular legendary drops pretty often anyway

[stable herald]

it exists solely to go "oh nice" when you pull it off of Circe's keepsake

[gritty crow]

Like, that's worth Origination supposedly, and tbh, no one actually would agree on it if they played for a bit

[worldly vector]

My ares hilt is unleveled 😭

Also wanted to ask what keepsakes do y'all run after using the god specifics in first region

[gritty crow]

[gritty crow]

Fig Leaf in the second region, Gorgon Amulet in third, and the fourth varies from White Antler to Moros Pin

[worldly vector]

For the final region I always use skelly but I'm always troubled as to what I should run in the region between

[stable herald]

Region two is more stuff: Moon Beam, Gorgon Amulet, Chaos Egg. Region 3 is Experimental Hammer, which lasts the rest of the run. Region 4 is whatever helps me the most against the final boss, usually Knuckle Bones or a region 2 keepsake I didn't pick

[worldly vector]

Btw there is no point in high level fig leaf if ur only using it for 1 region right?

[worldly vector]

I heard the chaos egg effect stays even when u switch keepsakes, or is that a pre launch thing?

[narrow spade]

It's still a thing

[stable herald]

yeah it stays

[worldly vector]

What's gorgon amulet? Is that the one Athena gives?

[gritty crow]

Yeah, if you use it for only one region I don't believe there's any use for levelling it up

[gritty crow]

Yeah, only activates if you have no death defiance though so be careful to not put it on if you have any, cause I did so many times lol

[worldly vector]

Ok but why is that being used in region 2, isn't Athena encounter only in region 3 and only surface?

[stable herald]

Gorgon amulet makes her appear in any region as long as you don't have a Death Defiance

including Underworld

[narrow spade]

With her keepsake, you can make her appear in whatever region you would like

[worldly vector]

Oh

[cosmic steppe]

Is ares dash dependent enough on its duos that it makes for a bad candidate to conquer the surface 24f on supay with? My peak is 20f atm

[worldly vector]

Eh but I run DD over strength anyways so doesn't really matter ig

[stable herald]

yeah I don't like Ares dash at all

[livid tartan]

oooh, Anubis makes vampire hammer feel not so useless lol

[gritty crow]

That sounds like actual torture, unless I had stutter step I wouldn't even continue the run just cause if how many times I would have to dash

[stable herald]

my favorite Supay build is Romantic Spark, with Zeus on Special and Dash and Aphrodite on the Gain

if you're lucky you can weave in Hestia and Demeter in there, and basically all of their duos will be huge

[sudden sorrel]

I would like to ask a new set of people: Is it just me, or is the prometheus rivals fight way harder now?

[livid tartan]

nah it's about the same

[sudden sorrel]

I used to at least clear it but now I get bodied and it feels terrible

i feel like he has more hp?

[gritty crow]

I actually think the Prometheus fight in general is harder, I can't pinpoint why tough

[livid tartan]

it really depends on the weapon. I just no damaged it on 32f with anubis, hestia attack zeus special dem cast

[sudden sorrel]

i usually use aspect of than

[livid tartan]

the damage was kind of insane

[sudden sorrel]

im glad someone else said something because i have felt a little crazy

[livid tartan]

prom is such a hard DPS check wall lol

but i know what you mean. I used Nergal earlier and was like "WHY WON'

WHY WON"T YOU DIE YET!?!?

[sudden sorrel]

Like i go into runs with 4 death defiances, occasionally lose one to eris because of her damage buff

[livid tartan]

ah. I also always play strength card

[sudden sorrel]

then just get bodied by promethus rival

[livid tartan]

so i get extra damage

[sudden sorrel]

people were saying to try it ln

i might run strength + apollo to give it a shot

no death defiance is just scary i suppose

[winged zinc]

once you get used to strength its hard to go back

ive never gone back actually

[gritty crow]

Spoken like a true Strength addict (I'm one of those too lol)

[sudden sorrel]

im just so used to the insurance policy, but ill give it a shot

[livid tartan]

playing without strength feels so slow now

[sudden sorrel]

What are the exact stats if anyone knows?

[livid tartan]

when I had DDs for the chaos trials it felt like cheating

[livid tartan]

you take 40% less damage, and you do 20% more damage

[sudden sorrel]

ive yet to die to one but i also havent done them all so ill see how long that lasts

[sudden sorrel]

oh damn thats kinda crazy

[livid tartan]

they're all kinda easy, although Supay's trial was a little tricky

Unrivaled Eris trial also kinda sucked

[sudden sorrel]

i was gonna say that but I didnt want to be rude just incase im a gamer or something

[sudden sorrel]

rivals off i can body for sure, like i can even get past scylla consistently on rivals

its just prometheus rivals

[livid tartan]

i think rivals 1 in general is rough. in my 32f runs, I'd either win the run or die to rivals hecate/prom lol

[sudden sorrel]

Its insane how hard underworld rivals are vs surface rivals

[livid tartan]

oh yeah. rivals cerb > rivals prometheus

it also helps that it's easier to get a build going on surface

[worldly vector]

What does rivals on hecate do

[sly mirage]

I’m gonna tell a truth that I think makes me a bad player…
I never use my cast, like literally never

[cosmic steppe]

Wdym breaker has you reset the dash too

[livid tartan]

Kill you

[worldly vector]

Need a serious answer pls

[cosmic steppe]

And I did do a Zeus dash run back in h1 albeit no fear outside of EM

[livid tartan]

lol. Basically her clones are ALWAYS around, so you have to always find the right one because she also teleports often. And she uses more Selene powers during her fighting phases. Like she can wolf howl you now

[winged zinc]

|| She always has 3 summons up, and has moon powers shes uses during regular fighting not just phaes ||

[cosmic steppe]

Man I really wish breaker rush interacted with splash buffs including ares duo

[livid tartan]

One thing that helps is to make sure you always have a curse available for the fight. The real one always visually shows a curse, if inflicted, like scorch, blitz, daze, or weak

scorch is the most consistent, i find

[cosmic steppe]

Even Walmart vengeance boon from Poseidon is considered a splash but breaker rush isn't

[sudden sorrel]

Honestly i feel like rivals cerb falls off once you get halfway through

[cosmic steppe]

Blood triad from Morgan also helps tracking real Hecate

[livid tartan]

yes, that too

oh, her morph curse is also more of a pain to dodge.... halfway through it splits into 3 smaller balls

[cosmic steppe]

Also niche thing if you have aphro Regen and Apollo dash (for whatever reason) dashing near main one will show origination on the main hp bar

[livid tartan]

on frenzy 2, sometimes you just have to eat it

[gritty crow]

But stutter step would make it faster no? Unless I'm misremembering how it interacts with Supay which is possible

[visual flume]

normal hecate is the tutorial boss

[livid tartan]

depending on which selene powers she uses to back it up

[visual flume]

and then rivals hecate is out for your blood

[livid tartan]

like, if she gets the giant wave during morph, i'm just like, "welp, i'm getting turned into a pig"

[cosmic steppe]

I mean as in, both breaker rush and ares dash have you reset the dash after applying dmg and breaker rush is #1 boon for supay so I don't see the issue with dashing often

[visual flume]

the lasers

by comparison rivals poly is just "okay don't stand here"

[cosmic steppe]

Lasers are the most vile hex she can use in transition

[visual flume]

unrivalled hecate is constant bullet hell

[cosmic steppe]

Btw on the topic of rivals uw can we make a petition to not feature Charybdis like ever

[livid tartan]

lol

[gritty crow]

Ok then I was right, I just don't like the wait between dashes is all, so without stutter step I don't usually continue runs cause I know I can win, I just wanna do it faster really

[visual flume]

and I don't have any strong feelings on rivals prometheus other than "the memory game is harder when you're also getting hit with a club"

[cosmic steppe]

Maybe I should swap frenzy for scars and run nergal on my 24f attempts, I'm not built for frenzy just yet

[livid tartan]

depending on your build, rivals scylla is either "oh this isn't so bad" or "OH MY GOD IT HURTS"

[visual flume]

the water spouts at the drum area man

[livid tartan]

Try doing runs with just frenzy and nothing else to get used to the speed

[cosmic steppe]

Nah you just keep distance away from Heracles and time his jump that he's scripted to do that way, can dodge him for the whole sequence without taking attention off Simon says

[visual flume]

I mean it's more the distracting element so I get confused and forget which lane is the safe lane

[cosmic steppe]

Legitimately can't win on Charon ax in this fight

O special charge hammer and dress, it's still more time than I can afford spending in one place

Also I'm still pissed off at botching my first 24f Typhon yesterday, could've been first try but chronos patterns had me take 700 dmg total

And I have a bad habit of ignoring the splitting Typhon projectiles from my rivals-free Typhon fights bc they were the one attack I got to facetank with no repercussions even on low-to-no healing runs

[visual flume]

is it that bad with charon?

guess I only did it on 16f though

and no frenzy

[cosmic steppe]

Frenzied Charybdis is Chlamydia incarnate

[visual flume]

frenzy scary

[cosmic steppe]

ESPECIALLY when she's a featured artist

Who is she in the band even, dancer? 😭😭😭

[livid tartan]

any build where you have to stay still for more than a second lol

although i find DoT builds have an easy time with rivals scylla

that is to say, Hestia or Zeus cast builds lol

[cosmic steppe]

Yeah double dash Anubis with hitch or static shock is the only build where I've felt somewhat safe

[topaz meteor]

That's a cake walk compared to unrivaled scylla 😭😭 I never play unrivaled in the underworld because of this lol unless I have a super strong build that makes it easy

[cosmic steppe]

Wish I could disable 2nd region only in rivals, purely bc of Scylla

Bc I enjoy p2 vor Cerberus and p3 chronos

[livid tartan]

I think anubis is top tier for me

[stable herald]

Godsent Total Eclipse deletes Scylla, but you can't reliably get that in a run

[cosmic steppe]

I mean, you can?

[topaz meteor]

Same

[cosmic steppe]

R1 Demeter keepsake r2 moonbeam

You gave me an idea btw

[stable herald]

then get lucky enough to be offered Total Eclipse

and you mean Hestia

[livid tartan]

I just cleared a 32f jeweled pom run with it

[cosmic steppe]

Oh I confused the hexes

The idea you gave me was actually hestias godsent lmao

[cosmic steppe]

I guess you could start with a moon beam and reset a bunch

The consistency route

[hot tendon]

how do you play selene or nyx? i just used dash strike spam on both which doesnt really play into nyx itself

[livid tartan]

punch things. really hard. lol

[cosmic steppe]

And it's not like it won't be useless after, can wait till like 5-6 tempi spawn in chronos p2 and delete them hustle free

[livid tartan]

POS attack works

special is iffy, but you can weave it in between punches

[cosmic steppe]

Dash strike is kind of goated for vanilla coats

For Selene I alternate between o special and o attack

If I get the epic PoS node that makes it so the hex triggers off omegas I do them barely charged and compensate for that with fine line and stuff

Gotta use the night arcana tho

Or whatever the one that gives crit on omega combo is called

I think it was the night?

[livid tartan]

lol, unrivalled scylla just made my pan run cry 😢

[cosmic steppe]

Mel and nyx are kinda the safest weapons out there, you just put scorch or waves on special and run around tapping it

For nyx u proc the dash thing before that

[hot tendon]

yea i had super bad rng tho, i had heroic attack on nyx for whole run and no other boons, kinda only got ash and bones and nectar whole run

so i had constantly 999 scorch stacked without way to speed things up

[stable herald]

For Selene I usually open with an omega special then start wailing on them while it lands, and weave in O attacks when I can get away with them. You can also dash while charging your O attack to reposition

Selene's great too because you can start with Moon Beam and get a powerful Hex right out the gate, or you can start with Ares and then pick Moon Beam in region 2 to get the godsent. Ares isn't that great on Coat otherwise tho

[gritty crow]

When I had to win with rivals on with Selene, I just made an Apollo fast attack build, I just ignored the hex aspect fully lol
Too much work for something that doesn't even feel good

[fossil yoke]

Was the Poseidon boon that can give a extra rewards (if not hammer, or boon) nerfed? I swear I have not heard "hah another, and another" voicelines since so long and one time I even had it up to 75%

Poseidon saying thos 3rd or 4th lucky ones is a joy on its own, and I have not had it since before EA Ares update 🙁

[hot tendon]

not in my feeling

[flint widget]

when u activate skyfall especially with ares godsent, it feels good but thats only if you get it online

[shy moat]

Can anyone explain why the anvil at the end is worth 600+ coins when the hammer bonuses are so conditionally useful based on your boons and you don't even get to pick which one it eats?

It's just been "pay a ton of coins for a gamble you're most likely to lose" for me

[pure grove]

It existed in the original game too fwiw.

They probably just wanted to reuse it but also knew it wasn’t as good, which is why the anvil is so rare

[shy moat]

Yep, and I had the exact same problem with it there

[ornate finch]

I dunno maybe if you didn't get the hammer you were looking for the entire run you can do a last chance gamble?

[shy moat]

I was hoping they'd update it to let you at least pick which one to get rid of

And some of those upgrades flat out kill builds lol

[ornate finch]

I skip over it most of the time too though

[shy moat]

Imagine having an axe omega attack build and getting the only third combo on attack hammer

[pure grove]

Back in the original game I took it half the time because the builds weren’t as dependent and three hammers were better than two. I never take them here

[shy moat]

Shame, missed opportunity here then

At least it's not just me haha

[elfin widget]

What's a good build for Black Coat aspect of Melinoe? Zeus attack?

[low pond]

hestia or poseidon are great

[elfin widget]

Thanks!

[bronze flax]

Just to check, you can technically get Aspect of Selene Godsent without having an Ares boon, as long as you have the keepsake and you get the upgrade to get the Godsent, it can work, right?

Not saying it's practical, just double checking 😅

[civic ocean]

Yes, taking Sword Hilt at some point in the run should qualify you for the PANTS OF ARES

[stable herald]

Theoretically I think so? But taking the Sword Hilt then trying to get his godsent without any of his boons sounds like a headache

And fwiw Grisly Gain isn't the worst on Coat since it has so many multi-hit attacks

[rough sparrow]

keepsakes i use:
first region: ghost onion
second region: knuckle bones
third region: luckier tooth
forth region: luckier tooth (if not already used) / silken sash

that’s what’s been working for me

[elfin forge]

standard play (for high fear) is like
god keepsake - gorgon amulet - fig leaf - knucklebones/antler
I think

[glass bone]

I disagree, and say it depends on the route and also the arcana and circumstance. Prior to Patch 1.0, it would be God Keepsake / Moonbeam for Selene -> Fig Leaf / Experimental Hammer -> Knuckle Bones / Pin / Gorgon Amulet / Experimental Hammer -> Repeat for Region 4 without Experimental Hammer.

[frigid tartan]

Guys, one question, I've been looking but haven't seen this question answered anywhere.

Right now with Fear unlocked, I've done a couple of runs at 1 fear, some of my targets have jumped to 2 Fear, the ones I haven't beaten have stayed at 1.

My question is: Is there a point to increase to, let's say 12 fear for a run right away? Like any increased reward? In the heat system of Hades you could see different rewards as you increased heat, but here I don't see anything, is the only reward Nightmare? If so is it better to just go by what the target states? Thanks in advance!

[glass bone]

But now with 1.0, I’d say the path is ||Jeweled Pom start, and remove Gorgon Amulet from most runs if Pom is taken, or the same as Patch 11||

[shy moat]

No point to increasing it ahead of time

[slate zodiac]

Well, unless you want the challenge

[glass bone]

The only benefit would be unlocking the statues early, but it is probably better to just go with the flow of the testaments, and then go for the 3rd statue if you want.

[slate zodiac]

Can someone remind me what fear you need for the 3rd statue

[glass bone]

32 UW, 24 Surface

[frigid tartan]

Gotchu. Yeah, challenge has always been a known factor, but before in Hades, heat actually changed rewards if you increased heat ahead of time. Seems like that's not the case here

[glass bone]

Used to be 32/32, but they lowered Surface and didn’t change it back even with Rivals added a patch after the lowering

[frigid tartan]

Thanks for the insight!

[slate zodiac]

Tbf, I think Surface is harder, but the numbers sure are odd

[glass bone]

I mean 3rd Statue isn’t a requirement, so why not push it back up?

I also do sort of wish there was some reward (not an achievement) for going beyond 32, but there isn’t. Oh well

[elfin forge]

yeah you can flex it alot
I didn't mention hammer because I hate it

[slate zodiac]

Hammer?

oh, I see, sorry I didn't see the message you replied to

[night lagoon]

Got Hell Splitter on an axe run one too many times, I take it?

[shy moat]

The hammer design is one of my biggest disappointments lol

Which says good things about the game overall

[civic ocean]

Love the hammers in this game I really like how they work with the new keepsakes to make this a roguelike game instead of just getting what you want every run

[glass bone]

Oh also, you could take Lucky Tooth or Ghost Onion in Oceanus with Renewed Faith strategies if you are at 1-2 DDs left and are concerned with Rival Scylla

[slate zodiac]

I will admit that I also don't like the Hammer keepsake either lol

[civic ocean]

Does lucky tooth retain the empty slot if you ditch it

[glass bone]

No

[civic ocean]

So how does that help with renewed faith

[glass bone]

It is more survivability, so you can take Gorgon Amulet in Fields instead of Oceanus

[civic ocean]

I think its pretty bad to take gorg amulet anyways if you have 1-2 DDs

[glass bone]

Yeah, that’s the point. If I have 1-2 DDs in Oceanus, why would I take Gorgon Amulet? So instead, I could take Luckier Tooth or Ghost Onion for survivability, and then see if I need Gorgon Amulet in Fields or save it all the way to Tartarus

[civic ocean]

Onion is decent if you’re like low on the DD you have up but other than that the best way to beat Rivals Scylla with 1-2 DDs is to spend your keepsake on making your build stronger

[slate zodiac]

What familiars do you guys like to use?

[sacred storm]

i usually take hecuba for the magic

[civic ocean]

Any except hecuba if manaless then frinos or hecuba on magic

[wild swan]

I think they're all good now. I tend to take Frinos or Hecuba most often depending on what I need

[glass bone]

Toula. Most of my high fear runs have used Toula, and yet I’ve done near exclusively UW high fear.

[sacred storm]

raki or frinos otherwise

[glass bone]

Toula’s main benefits are an extra source of early damage, and a 4th or 5th DD (5th for Surface if you get that one Circe boon).

[shy moat]

They're fine if you're given a choice, but when a random hammer can screw over your entire build that's not being a rogue like

[civic ocean]

Thankfully you can realize that and make a different decision

[shy moat]

Yep, "never take the random hammer rewards"

But that's a very boring decision

[glass bone]

I feel like by definition, Roguelikes and especially Roguelites (which Hades 2 is because of incantations) have to have randomness to it.

[civic ocean]

There is a good time and place on certain aspects (usually blades) where you want to take that risk

Flames too

[spiral wadi]

the fact they didn't fix rival scylla visual clarity is pissing me off

[civic ocean]

My eyes hurt so bad man

At night when I sleep

[spiral wadi]

90% of the time i can't see what i die to, incredible game design

[civic ocean]

I can but I have to like focus

[glass bone]

I feel like a large majority of aspects would love to get any hammer. Like yes, Heaven / Hell Splitter is a meme and not worth it at all, but most every other hammer is some bonus. Even Dancing Knives, or the one bad hammer each for Supay and Hel.

Experimental Hammer exists as a risk/reward system. If you feel comfortable, you can gamble and win big

[civic ocean]

Idk if this is just me but I feel like they changed Roxy’s behaviour

She did the big red circle three times in a row to me yesterday and I wanted to snap my controller in half

[sacred storm]

eh, some aspects have more dead hammers than other. charon absolutely doesn't care about any attack-focused hammer whatsoever, for instance.

[civic ocean]

Charon is a great example of an aspect where you want to take the random hammer stuff pretty often

[shy moat]

The specific point is the rng of random hammers (trinket or anvil) screwing builds, and having your entire build wrecked by a random result is not a common roguelite feature

[sacred storm]

also it can just kind of suck when the hammer doesn't mesh with what you've already built so far

[glass bone]

Well yeah. But even with Charon, I have taken Experimental Hammer to get a random hammer, or to get one off of the hammer list.

[civic ocean]

Charon is one of the best Experimental hammers yeah

[glass bone]

You’ll usually take Hammer in Region 2/3, the time right before you get your next hammer, and thus have 2 hammers already removed to find the one you need

[civic ocean]

You either get sudden or giga cleaver and get a huge upgrade or you get something that doesn’t matter and you have better odds of getting good hammers in the future

[glass bone]

No, I still disagree. If you want an example outside of Hades 2, the Joker Madness from Balatro has an RNG element, and yet even at lower stakes without eternals, Madness is viable to take sometimes

[civic ocean]

My favourite is when you get like 50% hard target and demeter gales and the fight changes from bullet hell to mine hell

[shy moat]

Oh sure it happens, but it's far from in every roguelite or a requirement for the genre

[civic ocean]

I think Scylla is like the only thing Im not super happy about in the game at 62f rn

[steel sequoia]

cant even imagine 62f

[civic ocean]

Just takes practice!

A lot of practice

[glass bone]

As of I believe yesterday, every single aspect has a 62 Fear clear in the Underworld, across Patches 9 of EA, to 1.0.

[steel sequoia]

i meant me playing, but yes i know

[soft burrow]

So, last time I played was in... June. What're some fave weapons/aspects right now?

[glass bone]

Ah. Got it

[steel sequoia]

@civic ocean do you still have a full vengeance video? yours or mint? i wish i could do that run too

[glass bone]

But yeah, it is a really difficult challenge, but it can be fun

[civic ocean]

What is a vengeance video

[glass bone]

For each noctural arm, I’ll share at-least one from each:
Staff: Mel / Circe
Blade: Morrigan
Torch: Eos / Moros
Axe: Charon / Nergal
Skull: Medea / Persephone
Coat: Nyx / Shiva

[steel sequoia]

vengeance build

[glass bone]

I’m assuming a revenge boon run

[steel sequoia]

yes

[glass bone]

So like… light smite or divine vengeance

[civic ocean]

Oh uhh

No I don’t really do that

[steel sequoia]

i think theres a poseidon boon now too right?

[civic ocean]

Sort of

[steel sequoia]

i cant remember how you soak all the dmg, maybe is heph and dem?

[civic ocean]

They changed how a lot of that works unfortunately

Demeter no longer caps dmg

[wild swan]

rip how I got my first Chronos kill in EA

[steel sequoia]

think you have to do aphro regens then

[civic ocean]

So you would need at least a DD or two or three for the chronos oneshot

There is a pretty cool build you can do where you actually play tho

[glass bone]

I thought armor still works against the oneshot

[civic ocean]

And you take apollo ares zeus and get the revenge duo

[steel sequoia]

how?

[civic ocean]

Zeus and Ares duo uses revenge boons whenever you apply wounds

So you take light smite and divine vengeance and you deal a ton of damage with that duo

[steel sequoia]

the DV applies wounds or something? i cant remember

[civic ocean]

Wounds is an ares status

[steel sequoia]

yeah but the duo

it makes DV applies wound?

we have a run planner somewhere now?

[civic ocean]

Other way around

[steel sequoia]

actually found one lmao hades2builder.vercel.app but its outdated rip

[grizzled wyvern]

do boons that say "increase attack power" also affect the omega attack?

[steel sequoia]

this is actually worth but i dont have all the names https://mobalytics.gg/hades-2/planner/builds

[shy moat]

I've found that dash strike and attack don't overlap, and in some cases the attack power doesn't seem to transfer to the omega

It's very annoying

[elfin forge]

Attack = just attack
Attacks = attack + omega
This important mostly for hammers

[shy moat]

Oh Zeus that could be made clearer in game

[elfin forge]

yeah I hate the "plural is really important" thing too, too subtle

[grizzled wyvern]

asking because of the axe for example. if the attack boosts transfer to the whirlwind omega.

[elfin forge]

does it say "attack" or "attacks"

oh except "attack power" I think that's for both

[grizzled wyvern]

yeah i dont remember. the aphrodite one for example where you get attack but you prime

[grizzled wyvern]

damn that's confusing

[shy moat]

And the dashing strike is never boosted now with attack, right?

Or would attack power boost the dash strike

[elfin forge]

dashing strike is boosted by both, I think?

like if you get a hammer that buffs "Attack range"
I think your dashstrike gets it too
Just not omega

[shy moat]

Nah the hammer that boosts attack but makes it only the final strike for axe absolutely does not work on dash strike

[elfin forge]

Wow attack power only buffs Attack, not omega attack

[shy moat]

I hate it, so confusing

[sage flame]

to be fair that one says your final/only strike gets +whatever power right?

or am I misremembering

be a bit ridiculous if you could have 200 power dash strikes on axe

or whatever the number is

[shy moat]

No it says your attack has +300 power but the chain is now only the last strike

I'm not used to such sloppy keywording that attack excludes omega attack and dash attack

[steel sequoia]

@civic ocean u can open this? https://mobalytics.gg/hades-2/profile/3bda6536-0f87-49b6-b508-133877c080b5/builds/b2de9b2d-bc7f-4697-8805-7787347218db

[spiral wadi]

i'm finding myself start to hug the oceanus walls just to avoid frame 1 boulder spawns

[rain drum]

How does Wounds from ares work? cant figure out if this effect only works on the afflicted foes or my attacks in general

[signal coral]

If enemy does not have wounds, the first attack that applies wounds gets boosted power

Note that power scales with percentage bonuses

Afterwards you cannot get this bonus again until the wounds fall off and you reapply them

[rain drum]

Thanks

[steel sequoia]

blitz works that way too?

[signal coral]

Yes but blitz can be triggered early by dealing enough damage

And blitz is also flat damage so it doesnt scale with buffs to your weapon, only global buffs

[steel sequoia]

is it? i thought it werent

not playing too much zeus lately ngl lmao, im a statick shock fan

[sacred storm]

blitz is really strong, it's almost never a bad pick

medea or moros special in particular go hard with it

[elfin forge]

blitz scorch is good on coat too, I think

[sacred storm]

my preferred coat build is aspect of mel with poseidon attack tbh. but yeah, that would work too

[steel sequoia]

i know medea is the best weapon i just hate the gameplay. i didnt like skulls overall but now im liking Hel

[elfin forge]

medea is so fun
you're basically a missile

[sacred storm]

very high risk though, that's the drawback

[west thunder]

Same here and I try to go for arterial spray

[sacred storm]

although i think my favorite build of all time was wide grin skull with apollo legendary

[elfin forge]

I think it's not even that high risk because you're not standing still most of the time, not really animation locks like for weapons like blades or axe

[bronze flax]

I like all skulls, the gameplan feels quite different from each other, even from Mel and Persephone ones that are the ones that feel a bit similar

[steel sequoia]

my fav weap is charon since they have changed pan and persephone. but im liking more stuff now, anubis is cool too

[shy moat]

I thought I'd love the skulls but their default recall feels so clunky

[bronze flax]

I don't feel them clunky, using your Special to recall them doesn't feel clunky

[shy moat]

It's that they don't always recall because there's a range distance that just complicates using them smoothly

And their damage overall just feels low heh

They don't really multihit fast, they don't really do slow hard hits. Awkward middle.

[elfin forge]

Mel Skull does hard hits

Medea basically doesn't have ammo management

[spiral wadi]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1344137346148204676/1422830243017785414/SPOILER_clip_1759299064748.mp4 || easiest rival hecate of my life

blasts r kinda busted at 62f but ass at 67f just cuz no origination or furies means harder to get % buffs on it

[sour cape]

Medea skulls hit really hard but idk, I always take a ton of dmg using them

[chilly swift]

So I just encountered the ||Infernal Contract|| for the first time, and I'm just in Erebus with only a couple of boons and a low level weapon aspect (Persephone rank 2). Is this fight doable while so early and underpowered in a run, or shall I give it a miss? (Post-main story spoiler)

[fading dew]

What's the point of increasing difficulty in H2?

[chilly swift]

You get Nightmare from it, which is used to improve all the non-default weapon aspects

[fading dew]

Oh. Like, once, or several?

[shy moat]

Yeah most of my skull play so far has been the base without upgrades, it's entirely possible they'll get a lot stronger when boosted and it's just the base unleveled form is mediocre compared to other weapons

[chilly swift]

You need to kill the boss that's listed in the Testament for that weapon though, at the Fear level it lists, to get the Nightmare. You need I believe 6 Nightmare to fully upgrade each weapon aspect, and there's ||6|| weapons with ||3|| non-default aspects each, so that's like ||108|| Nightmare to upgrade them all to the max. There are a couple of other ways to get Nightmare if you don't want to mess with Fear, for example you can trade 5(?) of Charon's loyalty cards for 2 Nightmare a bit later in the game

[civic ocean]

Yes

[shy moat]

I think it's 5 nightmare, 1 for levels 2-4 and then 2 for 5

[fading dew]

Just 2? Oof. That's gonna be a lot of gold, rofl.

Though, I did manage to farm 2,3k during a run once, was fun

But Idk if I'm gonna get there, though. So far I'm not killin Chronos, lol

And my last run it was like Cerberus just gained a new mechanic... was friggin' weird

[lofty yoke]

just managed to max out my phase shift cause Poseidon felt i needed double of all the path of the stars i came across

[civic ocean]

There’s actually some consideration to be made in Phase Shift’s case that you don’t actually want to max it out

But that is dope

[lofty yoke]

i mean, i'm using Ygnium so i reach phase shift easily by just holding down left mouse button

[shy moat]

Phase shift has been a major disappointment for me

[fading dew]

Is it worth using the pan aspect?

[civic ocean]

Sorry to hear that

[civic ocean]

All aspects are pretty good

[shy moat]

Wait is phase shift the time one

.... Nevermind it's dark side that's the disappointment, I love phase shift

[spiral wadi]

phase shift godsent doesn't get buffed from longer duration nodes so it's actually useless if u depend on the slow time only for demeter to gut ur time

[civic ocean]

Sorry to hear that too

[spiral wadi]

so it's kinda worth actually avoiding the godsent

[shy moat]

Lol

Dark side just does generally poor damage so that it's barely ever worth using

[lofty yoke]

in my experience Aspects massively outperform base when paired with the correct hammers

[civic ocean]

Generally speaking the phase shift purples are bad for uptime which I think you might care about more

[spiral wadi]

tru

dark side suffers from aphro godsent ignoring duration nodes too

[civic ocean]

Dark side doesnt reduce your cast damage so its p good for cast builds also its godsent is crazy

Theres a lot of stuff in this game that you really want to be immune to damage for 2 seconds for

[shy moat]

Maybe that's why, I've rarely had a true cast build and don't think I've found its godsent

[shy moat]

If I could end it early it would be better for that use

[civic ocean]

Thats the tradeoff lategame for sure

The puzzle to solve is how to make your damage not go down too much

[shy moat]

Also be nice if it avoided Hecate's hex

[sage flame]

what even are phase shift's purple nodes?

[civic ocean]

They’re pretty good tbh like crit chance during it and more slow

Its just the high extra mana costs hurt it since you are functionally invulnerable during it if you know what you’re doing

[sage flame]

magick cost hurts fr

[shy moat]

I like phase shift for a big free DPS burst so the critical is super good for me. The additional slow for 30 more cost is basically worthless though

[signal coral]

How good is Selene hex compared to other hexes? (Ignore the fact that it forces you to pick selene coat)

[civic ocean]

Well I mean it’s not really relevant right you actually cannot ignore the part in brackets

[signal coral]

Like assuming it was just available to pick roughly where would it rank for mid-high fear play?

At least in your estimation

[civic ocean]

Uhh it would probably be pretty good on most weapons I guess? All the hexes are pretty good except for Moon Water when Scars 3 is active

[bronze flax]

||Hecate's answer after not getting a single hit ||

[signal coral]

I've liked selene hex for boss damage but I wasn't sure if I was coping

After playing it for a bit ive mostly just been ignoring the purples that increase cost and just taking the blues that ramp up single target boss dps

[civic ocean]

I haven’t got a duo yet at 62f mel flames so they are pretty bad there too

[sage flame]

also did phase shift used to counteract chronos p2 slow? I swear it just let you go at normal speed but now you're slow and chronos is also slow

or am I crazy misremembering

[civic ocean]

Hex windups also counteract this

[civic ocean]

Phase shift used to not work on chronos at all its weird

[sage flame]

yeah I remember them adding that incantation to make it actually work

[civic ocean]

That incantation is gone now right

[sage flame]

atp I have no idea

[signal coral]

Its still there

I unlocked it on my fresh 1.0 file a bit ago

[sage flame]

I wouldn't think they got rid of it since it's kinda cool

[chilly swift]

What did you see that was new? Also, you'll get there, sounds like you're fairly early game. Personally I don't add any Fear until I can comfortably clear the route. So I wouldn't worry about Fear until you're killing Chronos consistently

[rugged moon]

I believe it unlocks the incantation by trying to yse it

[spiral wadi]

no queen kinda rough

it's why i do strength and death lolol

no other 4 card

[sage flame]

based asf

[chilly swift]

I would instead focus on upgrading your most useful Arcana (for me that's Death, Origination, and the rerolls corner) and seeking good boons for whatever weapon you're using. This incredible guide could be a massive help for you, I've yet to have a run where I wasn't demolishing things if I follow the build advice in it https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide

[void gulch]

Question: Are the Hermes and Medea boons that slow enemy projectile speed additive or multiplicative? Because I just picked up 40%+40% and am wondering if its gonna be 80% slowed or closer to 65% (est)

[median pawn]

I beat both surface and under at 32 fear but I didnt get the achivement q_Q

[rugged moon]

Was it a story run

[median pawn]

they are additive

[void gulch]

pog

[median pawn]

no

[rugged moon]

idk then

[median pawn]

or I suppose yes?

I dont know

[rugged moon]

Aka was a boss missing

[median pawn]

I just didnt have rivals 4 but no

[sage flame]

it may be delayed? I've heard achievements are semi delayed sometimes

but not all of them? idk

[rugged moon]

I know the final uw of main story doesnt count for a bunch of stuff but other then that idk

[median pawn]

we salute the night's champion the vow says

this is scam im scammed

[signal coral]

Funny story, there used to be a bug that let you pom the Hermes projectile slow boon to increase the number

And if it got to over 100% enemy projectiles would fly backwards and crash the game

[chilly swift]

Does Racing Thoughts (Hermes boon, Omega moves are 15% faster) apply to the omega pulses from Aspect of Momus staff? Like does it make them pulse faster

[signal coral]

No, all it increases is channel speed when you are channeling

[rugged moon]

No

[civic ocean]

No but mirrored thrasher and exceptional talent does iirc

[chilly swift]

Good to know, thank you!

[civic ocean]

Got me thinking if I wanna run Excellence for Momus just to get an extra shot at ET

[bronze flax]

What tools do you have to increase channeling speed? There is Hermes Keepsake, Chaos and...

[civic ocean]

Hermes boons chaos boons hammers hermes keepsake and sorceress arcana

[signal coral]

Oh I have a question, does channel speed affect torch attack? What about attack speed?

[civic ocean]

Yes

[signal coral]

To both or one?

[civic ocean]

Yes

[signal coral]

Heck

[civic ocean]

Its complicated

[spiral wadi]

i was trying out momus for a run and i feel like there's some potential for high fear, just that it requires way more than the other two staff aspects

its low kinda really low,,

[bronze flax]

The Sorceress increase channeling speed? I thought it was just the speed of the move itself

[civic ocean]

All things that say omega speed refers to channeling

[signal coral]

Anything that makes omega moves faster actually affects channel speed

[bronze flax]

ohhh, good!

[civic ocean]

Umbral Flames:

increasing your attack speed without increasing your channel speed will decrease the rate at which you do omega attacks

The reverse is true whenever you increase channel speed, even if you increase attack speed to match

With that said even omega dedicated builds should be snap picking Furious Blaze I think

And the Flames are I think the only weapon you can really abuse Plasma with

[signal coral]

I did notice when I picked furious blaze I was doing more regular attacks

But I wasn't sure if I was still getting omega attacks at the same timing or not

[civic ocean]

Its slightly slower

[signal coral]

And if I pick channel speed I will do only one normal attack in between omegas? (assuming enough omega speed)

[civic ocean]

You cannot do both attacks at the same time so every time you o attack you are not attacking

So the more frequently you o attack the less frequently you attack

[civic ocean]

I think Momus I might do Judgement 62 because like you said it needs a lot, avoiding onion might be the play

Something like sorc pers artificer

And just roll up to the boss with 12 boons

[junior bronze]

@civic ocean I found you gdoc document for builds very helpful! You will keep updating it?

[tropic prairie]

Now that Hades 2 finally released, how are the early access players going through the game? Do you alternate between going to the underworld and going to Olympus or do you just go through the Underworld multiple times?

[tropic prairie]

No spoilers please

[civic ocean]

Probably not no since so much changed and most of my time is spent chasing 62s atm

Maybe later

[signal coral]

For my fresh file I just pick a metaprogression I want to do and do it

@tropic prairie

Repeat until I get bored and quit for the day

Whether this takes me to the surface or underworld depends on what goal im doing

[civic ocean]

The game tells you where to go

[sudden sorrel]

Not sure what happened but I just owned rivals prometrheus without changing a thing

For those from last night

[tender whale]

how can i deal with the 999 damage attack of cronos?

[median pawn]

death defience or dont get hit by it

[sudden sorrel]

there is a safety circle

Its on one of the places on a clock where the hours would be

[tender whale]

thanks

[sudden sorrel]

yeah, pay attention to like, the graphics or like glow affect the attack has, the light is gleaming from the safety circle, so you can always find your way there

[tender whale]

i think we are talking about different attacks, but i guess there is also a safe zone in the one i died too

[sudden sorrel]

are you talking rivals chronos or base

[tender whale]

base i guess?

[sudden sorrel]

youd know if it was rivals, rivals is a voluntary punishment. When he does this attack is it phase one or phase two

[grizzled wyvern]

what's a good beginner umbral flames build to beat chronos with? (no aspects yet).

which boons to try to find?

[tender whale]

two, hes is the middle when casting the attack

[civic ocean]

Get a good gain and a solid attack boon then look for the boons that increase o attack potency

[civic ocean]

There are two chronos 999 damage attacks, one has a safety circle (the ground is red except for it) and the other one has a safety donut (the ground is black and gold for this one)

Do not stand in the areas that are coloured

[sudden sorrel]

is it the same move he does immediately upon phasing him?

[tender whale]

is the second one, i didnt saw the safe zone, skill issue on my part

thanks guys

[sterile estuary]

This isn't exactly a build question so I'm not sure where to put this, but Moonlit Essence from Shadow isn't unlocking for me even though I've done plenty of the surface. Anybody know how to unlock it?

[odd bolt]

you can try to gor for omega attack spam with ocean swell from poseidon and weed killer from demeter, that and like aphro attack and a good magick regen is really good but it really only gets insane with other gods which i'm assuming you still cant find at the moment

my favorite build in the entire game tho 100% recomend doing for fun later on

[grizzled wyvern]

what's a good magic regen early?

don't have surface unlocked yet

zeus/apollo?

or hestia i guess?

[spiral wadi]

hmm u might be cookin

the fact that the 62f meta has allowed for void 3 forfeit 0 being a genuine setup is funny af

[odd bolt]

hestia is good, i like poseidons too and you might try to get magick regen from chaos if they show up unironically that could work

zeus is fine too

[grizzled wyvern]

gotcha

[indigo viper]

I can cleared 32f without any issues in EA.
After 1.0 VoR Scylla with frenzy 2 defeated me...

[civic ocean]

I used to think it was just because of the god keepsake nerf but I honestly find Forfeit to be the least fun vow in the entire game aside from maybe maxed void

[civic ocean]

Hard fight

[indigo viper]

Skill issues ig.

[civic ocean]

Nah Scylla is the biggest jump from regular to UR

That fight is absurd lol

[tacit laurel]

What did you run for 32 I’m in the hell of deciding what one’s to pick

[indigo viper]

Hecate is worst

[viral yew]

For fear?

[tacit laurel]

Yes I beat 16 overworld just now :D

[viral yew]

Max timer, max frenzy, max debt, max the enemies being from the next region vow, 1 level of revenant vow, max hubris, vor 2, i think thats it

[indigo viper]

As casual? Ofk, in EA
Before VoR I did 32f with max hoardes, grit, protection or some other weird stuff.
After VoR i cleared on 2 or 3 weps with vor.
I managed even did 40f.
And magically, after 1.0 I have trouble even with smooth clear. XD
You'll find some of my posted victory screens in #h2-builds-and-combat
Somewhere I also dropped my vovw.

[tacit laurel]

Ooh I see so you guys don’t like 20% more enemy’s?

[civic ocean]

More enemies is very hard

[viral yew]

It makes it much harder to run in under 20 minutes

Especially with vor in the mix

[tacit laurel]

I see rn im just running into Hecate and scylla being a pain

The ones I picked was 2 shields 10% more health vorx2 enemy’s next region and the like green orb when they die

||and then you know who spawned ||

[viral yew]

Yeah you don't want to take more health/damage/enemies/wards until you have to, although wards depends on the weapon and build

[tacit laurel]

Sister blades I don’t even notice the wards

[viral yew]

Yeah exactly, you can run wards on blades ok

[tacit laurel]

I just gotta figure out my damage build normally I just apho

[viral yew]

On blades? You don't want to be doing that

[tacit laurel]

No close up damage?%

[viral yew]

Pos/hestia/zeus are much better

[viral yew]

Nah you want flat damage, not % increase on blades

[tacit laurel]

:0

I did not know this

[viral yew]

Pos is probably the best, or at least easiest to get good damage on

Had a really nice zeus hestia run earlier on mel blades

[tacit laurel]

I’m assuming I want the strike gives blitz then blitz gets stupid modifiers

Which does hestia come in?

[viral yew]

Zeus attack, hestia special

Easy origination and big damage

[tacit laurel]

||Also is there a way to like spawn zag he keeps appearing only on high heat 💀||

High for me

[viral yew]

||40% chance to appear in a midshop in regions 1/2 of underworld and 2/3 of surface||

[viral flint]

is there a simple description of what power is. like if a boon gives your attack +5 power, what does that actually translate to

[lofty yoke]

just realized a build focussed around Zeus and Hestia could be called a Zesti- ah build

[tacit laurel]

||So i literally should just run normal until i beat him 3x and then ||

[viral yew]

Yes

[tacit laurel]

Ok ✅

I shall try zeus

[signal coral]

Power is the base damage your attack deals, before any multipliers are taken into account

[civic ocean]

Ever play Balatro?

[signal coral]

Nope!

[civic ocean]

Power is Chips, %dmg is mult

[signal coral]

(I had to make that joke, sorry)

[civic ocean]

Power refers to the base power your weapon deals. The damage calculation, roughly speaking, is

Power x %dmg (x2if Mutual/Grievous proc) (x3 if crit proc)

[viral yew]

BALATRO MENTIONED RAHHHHH LETS GO GAMBLING

[civic ocean]

So if I have 20 power and 50% damage I will deal 30 total damage. If I go from 50% to 55% I now deal 31 damage, but if I go from 20 to 25 power I now deal 38 damage. So power increases are generally favourable

[jovial cove]

all this time later and I still don't know how to use Medea. every time I do I feel like I get chipped down and die in the second region.

[indigo viper]

Tap attack, tap special and repeat until all die.
My fav are hera on attack, zeus on special. Killer weeds is your friend too.
Try to get possesed array hammer. While get - go to as much "did something when use omega moves" as possible (thick, red line etc.) + some good mana regen boon (hera/posejdon/apollo)

[jovial cove]

how do I avoid chip damage

[indigo viper]

Use your special to moves around/in/between enemies + standard dash.