Str limits your options severely.
Athena to get stalwart stand so you can have a dd each room is nice
Knuckle bones are always default good but not amazing
Hammer to hit a highroll is nice for not axe builds
#h2-builds-and-combat
glass shell
wheat thistle
What about Knuckle bone for the final fights? (even if its low level)
spiral wadi
prob worth upgrading that keepsake anyway, it's p good
elfin forge
I like knuckles for surface, not for underworld tho
glass shell
i think its fine, even though its only 1 phase long as you didnt take literally the hades nuke as well its not the worst
elfin forge
shame that all of our "reduce boss hp" things only apply to first phase
wheat thistle
prob worth upgrading that keepsake anyway, it's p good
Yeahhh Somehow I only realized it a a tad bit too late, been sleeping on it
elfin forge
damage reduction and some big juicy damage
wheat thistle
But I am not sure how to explain but Strength does oddly feels nicer to play then DDs lmao
wheat thistle
then* my bad
elfin forge
yeah I like it too
your health doesn't feel like it gets completely deleted so often
and I prefer 0 hp = death compared to dying 3 times before you die for real
it just feels more sloppy when you see yourself die over and over again, like you're just tanking your way thru
wheat thistle
your health doesn't feel like it gets completely deleted so often
Yeah, its pretty demoralizing seeing big chuckle of hp missing every time you are hit
spiral wadi
tru i really like playing w no dds and not having to worry about dd gifts, it's just that strength has little variation since it literally has no gifts based around it from any npc at all, and 20% dmg buff is way too small to do anything
like imagine if hades straight up gave like a "your strength effects are stronger against chronos"
glass shell
like imagine if hades straight up gave like a "your strength effects are stronge...
numbers are too high baseline for that to be a thing
spiral wadi
bring back my 50/30
glass shell
it'll either be completely worthless even if its not that bad players won't take it cause it looks underwhelming
or busted af cause high base numbers
like
+10 +5 is old str but looks underwhelming on the boon
get "+50% effects" looks and is way too op
spiral wadi
it'd only be for chronos and if u drop like 6dds last gasp would still buff for +48% dmg
like even if the strength gift just specifically buffed dmg i'd be fine
glass shell
genuinely would rather just reworking last gasp to be literally strength tbh
glass shell
last gasp is a boon
spiral wadi
wait u mean strength to work like last gasp or last gasp to be strength
glass shell
i want last gasp to be
While you have no death defiances left, Get X buff
This way it works for both dds and strength, though you have to be losing for it to benefit dds
spiral wadi
ye
glass shell
like 50% minimum. Or adding power instead
Or maybe literally moros pin where you fight past dying for X seconds or something idk
as a literal last gasp
spiral wadi
every 5 seconds without a dd, gain +X% dmg for that location
spiral wadi
think about the chronos stacks
toxic pebble
close enough, welcome back stubborn roots
wheat thistle
Hmmm maybe that isn't so bad of an idea if it bypass scar (?)
glass shell
Hmmm maybe that isn't so bad of an idea if it bypass scar (?)
what does?
wheat thistle
"Stubborn roots" with last gasp but maybe tone down
willow kraken
anyone have suggestions for dumb broken builds I should try before the 1.0 balance pass?
glass bone
anyone have suggestions for dumb broken builds I should try before the 1.0 balan...
Name a weapon or god, and there probably is one.
willow kraken
is there a way to make heph actually good?
I know you used to be able to get the cd down to like 2s, but I thought you couldn't do that anymore
glass bone
I know you used to be able to get the cd down to like 2s, but I thought you coul...
No, you still can
It’s just that the best Blast weapon (Persephone) got “Fixed” (Nerfed). But it is still the best blast weapon. You start with Heph keepsake, grab the lowest cooldown you can get, and aim for the Hestia and Apollo duos.
willow kraken
Name a weapon or god, and there probably is one.
also I got what I thought was a nearly perfect hestia+aphrodite scorch run, and it was very underwhelming
glass bone
also I got what I thought was a nearly perfect hestia+aphrodite scorch run, and ...
What did it have, and what was the weapon?
willow kraken
it was over a week ago and my memory isn't great, I think it was black coat using mostly dash attack
I had the faster scorch boon, but I think it was white
I got to 999 scorch very easily, but it still wasn't enough damage to feel good
glass bone
Ah, Pyro Technique. Scorch is really good early game, but in order to finish with just scorch, you want to Pom or rarify Pyro Technique as much as possible.
Otherwise it is a supporting strategy in combination with other damage strategies.
willow kraken
oh that's fair
elfin forge
yeah you really want pyro, it's basically Power for scorch
the way the math works it's like
Base scorch (100 dps) * Pyro multiplier * global buff multiplier
willow kraken
yeah, add a lot of poms to that and it'd probably feel okay
elfin forge
Scorch + Pyro + Origination is like, 300 dps already
glass bone
Maybe I worded it badly. One single Pom or rarify is probably good enough
elfin forge
common pyro + 1 pom = doubled scorch damage
pyro scales with poms incredibly weirdly
glass bone
Like I think the Pom power bumps up the multiplier by +50% at common
elfin forge
yeah I just know common +1 pyro = +100%
glass bone
I don’t remember all of the Pom scaling though, because the wiki doesn’t contain it / isn’t always accurate, and SGG doesn’t have the Pom scaling listed in the Codex.
elfin forge
and rare pyro = +100% lmao
willow kraken
Like I think the Pom power bumps up the multiplier by +50% at common
oh damn
torpid meteor
Would yall say an Apollo and Hep run would be good to keep arachne’s dress in tact?
spiral wadi
u can play crazy safe if heph is on a ranged thing
glass bone
Probably. Just know that you can’t do it right now, cause the achievements aren’t unlockable yet.
willow kraken
oh god is that gonna be one of the achievements?
torpid meteor
Right I just wanna get practice in and some knowledge before that
glass bone
Like if you want to go Turbo safe, take Persephone, grab Heroic Volcanic Strike (Attack boon), take Security System, Trusty Shield, or any other armor boosts, and you’ll be good.
spiral wadi
i was able to keep like 150 or so armor all the way from thessaly to summit, only to die to typhon anyway
glass bone
Keepsake after Heph should probably be the Sash. In UW, you can then duplicate the armor via Echo’s one Gift Gift Gift boon.
torpid meteor
I probably shouldn’t of started my attempt with Lim and oroes
Lmaooo well gotta keep the win streak up at least
elfin forge
is there a way to find pom data in the files
glass bone
is there a way to find pom data in the files
Idk
surreal hazel
and rare pyro = +100% lmao
Only 75%
It's 50, 75, 100, 125 for rarity
Poms scale is something like 50, 25, 12.5, 12.5, 12.5....
glass bone
So that first and second Pom are the key
Now I want to do a 62 Persephone Scorch run…
surreal hazel
First pom is two rarity levels. It big
floral sierra
hey question since i dont pay enough attention, do boon like uncanny fortitude from hephaestus apply to future gains or only current stats (for reference uncanny fortitude reads Gain bonus max life based on your magick limit)
spiral wadi
ye it should scale as u collect more magick
it should come with a free magick gift like dionysus nectar in h1,, (it don't)
uneven palm
hey question since i dont pay enough attention, do boon like uncanny fortitude f...
Yeah Uncanny Fortitude and Spiritual Affirmation boost present and future gains
surreal hazel
Spritual affirmation also multiplies flat healing sources by that % too
basically applies to things like health pickups and warm breeze, which start givining you 12hp
crisp scarab
how do you use lim and oros hidden aspect? i just unlocked it but im so confused tbh
elfin forge
you make a red triangle on the enemy
bottom left corner = attack
bottom right corner = special
top corner = any omega(attack, special, cast)
once you've landed one of each type of hit on an enemy, they take big damage
the combo generally is special->dash attack->hold attack for oattack
I think
the meta is like, hestia or apollo attack I think, favor attack for clearing out waves
viscid patrol
Be Me
Struggled on getting past Eris with the Moonstone Axe
Equips Rank 2 Aspect of Thanatos.
Wipes out Eris without losing any DDs.
...
"Nergle who?"
elfin forge
I don't get thanatos fans
the attack speed just dosen't seem worth it with relatively low power numbers
viscid patrol
Hey, I'm just saying.
I'd yet to get the Axe past the Fear 2 Testament because I kept losing to Eris.
But when I switched to Than's aspect, I wasn't stuck anymore.
Results are results.
uneven palm
70-90-180 isn’t exactly low power imo
keen vapor
For aspect of moros runs, should I get enduring coil or hidden helix for a hammer? They both sound decent, and I can also get whirling helix
uneven palm
All good. Enduring is more quality of life, the others are more damage.
spiral wadi
why is the ranged special hammer on axe so narrowww :(
it's like i need to have perfect aim while also being perfectly spaced
what do yall put on axe that's not psychic
surreal hazel
the attack speed just dosen't seem worth it with relatively low power numbers
The basic damage output is significantly higher on than
surreal hazel
what do yall put on axe that's not psychic
Rapid slash. Clearly
spiral wadi
makes sense
surreal hazel
Unless it's charon, probably
tall notch
what do yall put on axe that's not psychic
Rapid/seething marauder/dashing heave
I also like the hammer that adds some attack power and damage reduction while attacking but objectively it's probably not that great
surreal hazel
Heave is a mel axe thing. But decent. Seething is so good
surreal hazel
I also like the hammer that adds some attack power and damage reduction while at...
Colossus slash
spiral wadi
Rapid/seething marauder/dashing heave
hm those are pretty much what i always get anyway, cool
spiral wadi
I also like the hammer that adds some attack power and damage reduction while at...
prob a psychic whirlwind moment
surreal hazel
Which should be called colossus marauder since it benefuts whirlwind too
spiral wadi
btw weaken with island getaway reduces chronos dmg by a surprising amount
tall notch
Heave is a mel axe thing. But decent. Seething is so good
It's also okay on Than if nothing better shows up
spiral wadi
idk how it'll work w pain but it's a lot of dmg reduction lolol
surreal hazel
It's also okay on Than if nothing better shows up
Yeah. Beats getting sudden cleaver
Charon hanmers are a different tier list entirely
spiral wadi
ye charon feels like an entirely different playstyle but also seems to be the best non-hidden aspect for axe
surreal hazel
Funny that charon shows off just how bad the aspectless axe attack is.
Every other aspect buffs the attack into usefulness
spiral wadi
yea it shifts the focus to specials over attacks so it makes sense
like unless they did some freaky thing like "your attacks extend your cast duration"
tall notch
Call me crazy but I never liked Charon that much. Avoiding damage with it just doesn't click to me
surreal hazel
Opposite of the staff, only anubis is regular attack focused
surreal hazel
Call me crazy but I never liked Charon that much. Avoiding damage with it just d...
I don't use it. I don't deny its power, but it's a one trick pony
spiral wadi
charon just feels super high level LOL, i'm sure i'd enjoy it if i played it often
tall notch
My favourite weapon overall has to be torches
It has 2 bangers (Eos, Moros) one aspect that can work if you roll the right hammers (attack-oriented Mel torch) and only one aspect I don't really care for that much
surreal hazel
Which? Only moros and mel seem similar
Supay is hilariously good once you get past its slow start
tall notch
Supay is hilariously good once you get past its slow start
Yeah it's the slow start that makes me dislike playing it
spiral wadi
mel torch is weird cuz in high fear u basically have to decide whether ur gonna super focus on attack or special
tall notch
Supay with onion is masochism
surreal hazel
A bitter experience
Once it's going.. it's free combos all day
Origination is so free with it
But it's mana hungry, and its aspect bonus doesn't even function at the start of a run
So you really need those 5 cores filled
tall notch
So you really need those 5 cores filled
Yeah I often don't get to fill my cores over the course of a whole high fear run lmao
My 58 Nyx doesn't have an attack
wispy iron
Hi, I have a question :
What good does Wound do ?
I have now about 60-ish runs, but never lean into Ares for, well, his messy build, stupid requirements for legendary, and awful magick regen without heavy investment.
Wounds doesn't seem to be very useful, since it can only be reapplied every 5 seconds, and with the low +% damage, it seems that both fast and slow weapons are better off picking another god, leaving me perplexed as to which niche does wound fill
surreal hazel
Hi, I have a question :
What good does Wound do ?
I have now about 60-ish runs, ...
If an enemy doesn't have wound. Your attacks that inflect wound have +50 power
wispy iron
If an enemy doesn't have wound. Your attacks that inflect wound have +50 power
Yeah, I read that part, but it doesn't seem... useful ?
surreal hazel
Wound lasts 3 seconds and at first it's basically a cooldown
surreal hazel
Yeah, I read that part, but it doesn't seem... useful ?
It's great on crowds of weak enemies
spiral wadi
it's basically a room clearer at base, not particularly ideal for bosses but wounds primarily relies on tier 2 boons to make it actually do something
surreal hazel
But it needs grevious blow, profuse bleeding or heinous affront to really build on it
50 power is a LOT. But you need to get other damage bonuses rolling to make thst good
The general opinion is that ares is bottom tier and you're seeing part of the reason why
wispy iron
Well, I was about to say that having to rely on heinous affront was... kinda terrible ?
spiral wadi
tbh ares is super solid, he's just way harder to make use of in high fear
yea ares problem is that he requires a lot of investment
surreal hazel
Well, I was about to say that having to rely on heinous affront was... kinda ter...
If you ever get a chance to pair it with light smite, do it. It's genuinely amazing
wispy iron
Also, Grievous Blow's wording specifically says "when struck". I then assume it's weapon damage only ?
spiral wadi
it might honestly be worse than heph cuz at least for him u don't need to invest too much to make him a solid support dps option (or just take his strong defense boons)
grievous blow applies to any damage source
surreal hazel
grievous blow applies to any damage source
With some exceptions that cannot double damage
wispy iron
Oh, so that's better than anticipated
spiral wadi
With some exceptions that cannot double damage
yea those exceptions are super small so it's fine
tall notch
With some exceptions that cannot double damage
What does this apply to other than scorch and blood triad?
surreal hazel
What does this apply to other than scorch and blood triad?
I can't fully remember, but it's weird things like incandescent aura
spiral wadi
maybe i should get double splash for axe
wispy iron
it might honestly be worse than heph cuz at least for him u don't need to invest...
Could you elaborate more on Heph defense options ? I like the one which gives armor for the location but prime magick, as it's basically a free hit per room, but the other ones, such as armor for 7 seconds, or +armor% damage don't sit really well with me, the latter being because I usually deplete the armor within the biome
spiral wadi
security system is super solid cuz once u enter an encounter u can basically beat up enemies right at the start without worrying about losing hp
tall notch
maybe i should get double splash for axe
??? What do you mean splash on axe, what are you cooking
surreal hazel
Could you elaborate more on Heph defense options ? I like the one which gives ar...
Trusty shield is super strong. Yes. Security System is 7 seconds of yolo. Heavy metal is... odd
surreal hazel
20% of your armour value, add it to your weapon damage after all other modifiers
spiral wadi
heavy metal honestly ur just playing for the armor LOL
u can sell the boon and heph can give it again
surreal hazel
heavy metal honestly ur just playing for the armor LOL
Endshop pick boon
wispy iron
Sounds about right
I also like Heph's magick regen, because let's be honest I'm getting hit a lot
spiral wadi
ye dmg reduction is super nice
surreal hazel
Consider getting his duo with hera
tall notch
Do you still get the armour again if you rarify heavy metal? Istg that used to be a thing back in like patch 3
surreal hazel
Pays magick to reduce damage, tough gain refunds it and reduces it further
surreal hazel
Do you still get the armour again if you rarify heavy metal? Istg that used to b...
It gives you the difference
wispy iron
Do you still get the armour again if you rarify heavy metal? Istg that used to b...
You get the diff
tall notch
Ohh cool
surreal hazel
Heph legendary is basically useless unless you have maxed your aspect
wispy iron
Pays magick to reduce damage, tough gain refunds it and reduces it further
I understand the appeal of the combo, but doesn't it hinder obuilds too much on endgame bosses, siphoning all your magick to try and survive ?
surreal hazel
Since rank 6 is more like rank 8
surreal hazel
I understand the appeal of the combo, but doesn't it hinder obuilds too much on ...
Tough gain refunds more than brave face uses.
wispy iron
Heph legendary is basically useless unless you have maxed your aspect
The only aspect I haven't maxed yet is Meli knives, because I'm struggling with silver, I finally got enough to get artemis knives and thus morri
surreal hazel
If you're running out by spending... you took the wrong gain
Tough gain isn't for omega focused builds
tall notch
also https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1419486183129612...
Ohh does it do a splash per hit on the whirlwind?
wispy iron
Sounds logical enough
spiral wadi
yea, splash icd is like really low on axe attack, i had one attack swipe proc 3 waves in a group of enemies
tall notch
Okay I'm starting to see it
I'll experiment with this when 1.0 comes out and I'm achievement hunting
surreal hazel
King tide gooooo
spiral wadi
pan splash meta is dead, axe splash is back
surreal hazel
1.2×1.35 sized splashes
wispy iron
Aight, thanks yall for answering my questions, gonna do some runs now
spiral wadi
King tide gooooo
boutta switch to excellence
spiral wadi
Aight, thanks yall for answering my questions, gonna do some runs now
np 👍
surreal hazel
1.69x sized splashes. Nice.
fallen stirrup
Question about the torches "Inverted blaze" hammer upgrade will it double proc effects like hestia auto burn or hits needed for zeus's proc?
surreal hazel
Question about the torches "Inverted blaze" hammer upgrade will it double proc e...
The returning spark is essentially a new projectile
imagine that instead of the projectiles "returning", they get deleted and immediately replaced with a fresh copy that flies towards Mel
With all that entails, and yes this works with dividing spark
fallen stirrup
Gotcha thank you ^^
surreal hazel
It used to completely brick Supay, but now it actually works really nicely
fallen stirrup
Havent gotten to the abiulity to try the new aspects yet but thats great to know as well lol... If your lucky can you get both inverted blaze and the hammer upgrade where it splits on hits?
surreal hazel
Havent gotten to the abiulity to try the new aspects yet but thats great to know...
Yeah, Dividing Spark
definitely a valid synergy
can make it awkward to get the flames to hit the target you hit because of the angle they split, but overall a net positive
fallen stirrup
Now just need to be lucky to get it instead of every other hammer giveing me special effects
surreal hazel
Don't shirk a good hidden helix
glass shell
so hidden you literally can't find it on eos
surreal hazel
Gimme dividing spark for Eos and let me have two daybreakers
I do wonder what standard hammer would absolutely break the hidden aspects and then I remember that wicked thrasher is blacklisted from anubis and that would clearly be it
wet pawn
What does that one do again?
surreal hazel
+30 power to attack and omega attack
it's amazingly good generally, having it on anubis would be disgusting
instead anubis gets a +5 attack power +larger area upgrade instead
and instead of Mirrored thrasher (also amazing), it gets Mirrored Ankh which only affects omegas
cerulean panther
It would be Wicked Onslaught on steroids, and Wicked Onslaught is already an incredibly strong Hammer.
surreal hazel
Why compare it to Wicked Onslaught when Wicked Thasher already exists on the staff and is even better?
junior trail
Kinda curious how Cross Cataclysm would work with Anubis
surreal hazel
it's forbidden
junior trail
maybe it hits with two o.atk, one forward and one backward? that’d be wild
glass shell
and instead of Mirrored thrasher (also amazing), it gets Mirrored Ankh which onl...
to be fair mirrored thrasher literally wouldn't work on anubis
for the same reason the apollo boon doesn't work
what actually happens is it spawns the circle twice
surreal hazel
to be fair mirrored thrasher literally wouldn't work on anubis
not as it stands, no, it'd just delete itself
glass shell
ye
fallen stirrup
Does ripple effect make Fine line or Ocean swell cost double the magick if it fires twice?
surreal hazel
Does ripple effect make Fine line or Ocean swell cost double the magick if it fi...
Nope
fallen stirrup
Oh good then thats a take for me lol
surreal hazel
just free damage
technically they don't cost anything, they just add cost to omegas
they only roll their double fire chance after you successfully fire it
fallen stirrup
Yeah im using the torches tho and attack is my main form of damage lol
surreal hazel
Oh absolutely take ripple effect on torches
fallen stirrup
so i proc it alot lol
surreal hazel
Get success rate from hermes if you can
fallen stirrup
tho i destroy my magick reserves lol
im decently late i dont believe he will show up again for me
surreal hazel
What gain are you using? Flood gain and Born Gain are solid here
fallen stirrup
thats the magick on x right?
fallen stirrup
im using Lucid gain
surreal hazel
Winner's Circle from Hermes?
Lucid is okay, but it does limit your manouverability when firing
fallen stirrup
Yeah its the only "Gain" ive been offered so far i like hestia's although with how much mana i use its minor at best. also the only hermes i got atm is mean streak
fallen stirrup
I mean im at cerb i can prob snag one more hermes maybe?
surreal hazel
Hestia's Cardio Gain only procs on regular attacks, which might not be enough to sustain mana dumping on the torches
surreal hazel
I mean im at cerb i can prob snag one more hermes maybe?
Only in the endshop now, Hermes can't spawn during Tartarus
fallen stirrup
Gotcha
surreal hazel
(unless in the fountain chamber? Maybe?)
fallen stirrup
I think i have one i was wrong i think im mid in despair fields
the one before the shop i think and one of the 3 rewards is hermes - edit. I did not recieve the boon lol
surreal hazel
alas
fallen stirrup
i did get success rate tho
fallen stirrup
One last question... The Selene upgrades that give you x stat when you hex does that stack each time you use it? or just the first time O-o
surreal hazel
First time, lasts for the rest of the room
fallen stirrup
oh boo thought i was being smart with stacking the buff with a low hex spell lol
brave dove
You were still being smart in that that's genuinely fairly effective because only low cost hexes can be reasonably fired in most rooms, high cost ones are more for bosses and Rooms From Hell
but it's a pretty minor buff all told and not worth the hex investment by itself ye
surreal hazel
there aren't many common upgrades I particularly work towards, they're just stepping stones towards the brights and sublimes
Vastness though...
brave dove
it depends on the hex, skyfall really really wants you to chase brilliance and sting
particularly with the blue ferocity node
similarly moonwater loves most of its common nodes more than half its blues
surreal hazel
having at least one temp armour upgrade on Lunar Ray really helps
brave dove
ye more than one is kinda whatever but one is good
also the one (1) growth node you are allowed per tree
brave dove
I thought it was limited to one for growth, assuming I'm remembering correctly that that is the automatic hex charge node
and I think there's a couple of hexes it can't appear on at all since unseen
surreal hazel
nope, you're right, one growth, damn
surreal hazel
and I think there's a couple of hexes it can't appear on at all since unseen
Total Eclipse can't
brave dove
I think maybe moonwater as well?
surreal hazel
Moon Water can't
brave dove
I don't recall if it was ever in the game at the same time as mint condition
surreal hazel
it was
brave dove
ah, beautiful...
surreal hazel
Also tenacity was a bright upgrade too
so stupidly good
Total Eclipse has Excess as a Sublime, but like, who cares
Devastation is funny though
flint widget
can you guys give me ideas for the worst build ever, ill try to use it for my first 1.0 win
surreal hazel
Mel Axe, Grisly Gain, Flame strike, Vicious Flourish, Solar Ring and Nexus Rush
Take Hellsplitter if you see it
flint widget
can you guys give me ideas for the worst build ever, ill try to use it for my fi...
no fear ofc, i dont wanna make myself suffer
glass bone
can you guys give me ideas for the worst build ever, ill try to use it for my fi...
Island Getaway, Glamour Gain, and Nervous Wreck. You basically only get the value of Nervous Wreck the first time you apply Weak, and if they clear the status effect afterwards.
surreal hazel
Scalding Vapour and Killer Current
lapis lantern
ok so i suck at nyx coat 🙁 lol
lapis lantern
it was my first try with it, but i kept forgetting to ram them 🙂 and then i would remember when it was taking me ages to kill some stuff lol
it takes me ages to use my new aspects cos i feel gross using them below l3 l
it all looks so easy watching people that are good at the game play lol
lapis lantern
just beat my first rival boss!
wispy iron
I'm wondering, what do you build for with Morri's knives ?
Also, speaking of coat, does the xinth hammer making rockets bounce and fly faster (wording, special), affect the ospecial ?
lapis lantern
omg electirc overload with the torches is just lovely lol
zues and demi with mels torches was hella fun
could have done with sucsess from hermes and it would be of been so noice 😄
and now i got reset seed enchant as well PRogress
toxic pebble
I'm wondering, what do you build for with Morri's knives ?
morrigan works with pretty much everything, so go wild. i would recommend hera on attack specifically, but anything would work. special doesn't matter, but zeus is probably the highest damage. and getting some omega charge speed from hermes is nice
toxic pebble
Also, speaking of coat, does the xinth hammer making rockets bounce and fly fast...
if the wording says "special" then no it doesn't. it only affects ospecial if it speficially says "specials"
lapis lantern
the first two rivals werent too bad, lost a DD on the Cyclops one tho
hollow stag
What are generally good boons and hammers to aim for, at least for base weapons (start of game)?
It has been along time since I touched this game, so a lot has changed. Such as Dual Specials Poseidon Staff
surreal hazel
Also, speaking of coat, does the xinth hammer making rockets bounce and fly fast...
There isn't one
You're thinking of shimmering rockets, which does affect Ospecial
and Furious rockets, which also does, heh
wispy iron
Oh, yeah, I can see the confusion, I said hammer not hammers
surreal hazel
Shimmering is bouncy and a great hammer to pick
lapis lantern
does uncommon grace ignore hammer boons?
cos they are like always common ?
well unless the winged boi upgrades it
toxic pebble
hammers don't really have rarity, icarus' boon doesn't count as a rarity increase, so no uncommon grace doesn't work
glass shell
does uncommon grace ignore hammer boons?
well those aren't called boons
about the only thing you can actually catch the game on for this is hades, cause he only has common boons but he is excluded for that reason
it is an inconsistency though since itdoes explicitly call them boons
lapis lantern
about the only thing you can actually catch the game on for this is hades, cause...
ty man
surreal hazel
it is an inconsistency though since itdoes explicitly call them boons
Counts for extended family. That says "boon-giver"
lapis lantern
just beat eris and the sirens on Vow 🙂 onwards!
spiral wadi
in the menu where u can track ur boon selection stats, hades boons show up under the "olympian boons" tab which is super funny
glass shell
Counts for extended family. That says "boon-giver"
correct, but doesn't count for UG
surreal hazel
indeed. even though dio has rarity on his stuff
lapis lantern
eris was kinda hard on 24f , her last wave of adds was atomatrons and wiuth all the bombs 🙁
surreal hazel
If you get some Auto-watchers, it can be nightmarish
on the other side, if you get some auto-watchers and have night bloom, then lol
they just shred eris
lapis lantern
😄 i did not have night bloom 🙁
im trying to get a 24 surface but I am getting kinda stomped 😄
tall notch
im trying to get a 24 surface but I am getting kinda stomped 😄
maybe you need to revisit your vows! the feeling of how difficult a vow is to deal with varies between surface and uw
lapis lantern
i nearly got her that time 😄
livid tartan
Oddly, I find EM2 Eris easier than base Eris lol
livid tartan
I personally would remove hordes and debt, and go max frenzy
bronze flax
Let's say I want to use Melinoë torches for a Ripple Effect build, which is a good Magick boon for that one?
spiral wadi
prob just born gain and aim for a ton of magick rooms
flood gain gives infinite magick for a short period of time but only really works for builds where ur not spamming magick so prob not worth for ripple
toxic pebble
tbh i would take off forfeit, replace it with something like hubris 2, pain 1, scars 1 or 2, or frenzy if you're feeling spicy
bronze flax
prob just born gain and aim for a ton of magick rooms
And Hecuba seems mandatory for that, under that logic... Sure, that can work 
limpid isle
https://imgur.com/a/whs9CST
what weapon are u using
limpid isle
I personally would remove hordes and debt, and go max frenzy
honestly i prefer lower frenzy higher hordes than the other way around.
lapis lantern
got her 😄
lapis lantern
what weapon are u using
im using pan knives atm, or coat b4 or torches are what i like to play mostly., or some circe
limpid isle
oh then wards is good yeah
livid tartan
honestly i prefer lower frenzy higher hordes than the other way around.
I've been playing max frenzy since I unlocked fear, so I'm more or less used to the speed lol
limpid isle
ah
livid tartan
It often helps me hit the 5m time limit since I'm forced to play fast
limpid isle
ngl i play fast anyway. maybe i should just put on frenzy
frenzy prom and eris just suck lol
wet pawn
how well does zeus attack work on hel?
livid tartan
Max frenzy and time already add a hefty chunk of fear it eases up on the more annoying ones
Frenzy prom isn't bad. Frenzy rivals Prom on the other hand is.... something else
Same with rivals hecate
wet pawn
how well does zeus attack work on hel?
does it just blitz a lot of times how does it work?
lapis lantern
game is REFUSING to give me the duos i want for my run :*9
limpid isle
how well does zeus attack work on hel?
in theory it would work fine i think. I don’t really do it much
on hel i do scorch
limpid isle
does it just blitz a lot of times how does it work?
though if you get arc flash for zeus which immediately triggers the blitz when u use an omega move i think it would be pretty good. u shoot some, u omega special to get the rapid shoot and kill a bunch, u shoot more
im just very scorch pilled lmao
wet pawn
on hel i do scorch
yeah same but was curious about how blitz works
wet pawn
im just very scorch pilled lmao
same, my most used effect
spiral wadi
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1420141689183666209/Hades_II_-_2025-09-23_1-15-08_PM.mp4 axe attack combo is so fun i love getting locked into a move that can't be canceled out
bronze flax
Uhh, question: do Slippery Slope Froth effect apply to Ocean Swell's waves?
lapis lantern
i just got 24 surface 😄
fallen stirrup
How close is close for aphro's attack? like does the staff make use of its atk boon?
spiral wadi
staff atk should work well for aphro nearby
iirc the metric is just around the axe spin attack
there's a bit of intersection if u play aphro special on torches
fallen stirrup
Gotcha i figured the range of it would be too big but couldnt really tell lol
spiral wadi
ye there's some good leeway for nearby
if ur playing smth with a lot more range then u can consider getting the island getaway duo with aphro x poseidon
which counts every enemy as nearby, for aphro's boons
idk if island getaway changes depending on whether u get it from aphro or poseidon like how zeus/hera sacrifice interacts with duo sacrifice
glass bone
How close is close for aphro's attack? like does the staff make use of its atk b...
To answer the latter half of this question, kind of. The best combo imo for Staff is Dash Attack -> Special.
So for Mel Staff, you want Zeus Attack, Aphrodite or Hera Special.
For Circe, you want some curse on Attack, or possibly Blasts if you need some burst damage.
And for Momus, Mirrored Thrasher will often be your damage source (hammer), so you could do an Island Getaway strategy by using Aphro Attack (or Hera Attack), and Flood Gain (Flood Gain best choice imo for Momus as a regen no matter what Attack boon it is).
Also for Momus, you don’t use Dash Attack Special all the time, cause you want to have your OAttack out.
fallen stirrup
Damn wasnt expecting indepth explanation but thank you..i do have two questions . one does flood gain work when you auto with mirrored? and two to what red said when is it you get the sacrifice stuff or the curses the tarrot bring up
uneven palm
Flood Gain is bugged with mirrored thrasher right now. You just get infinite magick
glass bone
Damn wasnt expecting indepth explanation but thank you..i do have two questions ...
Yes, and I don’t understand the second question (apologies)
spiral wadi
iirc the king/queen ransom only sacrifices duos if those duos were collected from hera or zeus
uneven palm
Island Getaway is always the same regardless of who offers it
spiral wadi
so if u happen get like killer current from poseidon then hera won't kill that boon
glass bone
I think that boon is the only one where it matters who the god is.
spiral wadi
not that it'd be particularly useful to keep killer current if u do sac zeus lol
glass bone
“That boon”, as in King’s/Queen’s Ransom
spiral wadi
Island Getaway is always the same regardless of who offers it
gotchu
empty musk
Damn wasnt expecting indepth explanation but thank you..i do have two questions ...
Curses will show as a bolded word in a tooltip for the boon on the side with the words Curse in italics. You will know if you are getting the bonus dmg from Origination if an orange flash appears next to an enemy's hp
fallen stirrup
Ah ignore the curse part im dumb and cant read it ment when you use debuffs on enemies
I thought so im just not reading the best apprently
glass bone
Just wanted to double check with someone else btw, does anyone know if Exceptional Talent now works with Eos?
I assume the answer is No, Exceptional Talent can’t be offered with Aspect of Eos.
uneven palm
It works-ish. You get two pulses at once on the Daybreaker. And also sometimes O specials get distributed weirdly between you and the Daybreaker because this aspect + boon can never not be broken somehow haha
Here I got a vod with that combo https://youtu.be/b4LOJwNFOgA?si=l8KQT8LKjZCFGXvS
glass shell
yeah decent
surreal hazel
I assume the answer is No, Exceptional Talent can’t be offered with Aspect of Eo...
It can always be offered. No boons are blocked by aspects
glass shell
it'd be funny tho
glass bone
It can always be offered. No boons are blocked by aspects
Figured to ask because of the most recent post in #h2-victory-boasting
plush beacon
To answer the latter half of this question, kind of. The best combo imo for Staf...
Been trying to figure out how to build Circe since it seemed way less inuitive than the other staffs (Mel = Spec, Momus = Omega stacking, || Anubis || = hestia attack (imo)
glass bone
Been trying to figure out how to build Circe since it seemed way less inuitive t...
Take Storm Ring or Smolder Ring. Those are the best two that don’t rely on Magick.
surreal hazel
Figured to ask because of the most recent post in <#1233146305308528650>
It's only like, a 5% base chance rolled three times
Gods can just be stingy
plush beacon
I guess part of it is I never properly learned how to build a cast centric run
glass bone
Then take either Toula if you are using Death, or Raki if you are using Strength.
Also, don’t take Raki and Smolder Ring at the same time
plush beacon
I've been defaulting to using Toula pretty much the entire time, but probably should use Raki and other familiars more
uneven palm
Also, don’t take Raki and Smolder Ring at the same time
What’s wrong with that combo?
empty musk
What’s wrong with that combo?
Scorch can't crit
uneven palm
Sure but nearly everything else can
You’re not just standing around waiting for stuff to burn most of the time
empty musk
Well they're talking ab Circe --> most of damage comes from cast --> Raki's benefit is less and outweighed by the ehp of other familiars
Like Raki makes sense w Storm Ring or something since that can crit, but not Smolder
spiral wadi
if we're talking especially circe aspect, scorch cast is still a great option regardless of familiar
empty musk
Agreed its still viable but like not optimal to intentionally pick Raki over Toula/Gale and then intentionally ember into Smolder region 1
Unless you care mostly ab familar ai for Circe and don't care ab the spirit benefit
uneven palm
I mean if I want more damage from a familiar Raki’s kinda it. I’ll happily take the crits on attacks, specials, on-hits, omega add-ons, etc even if scorch ain’t crit-ing
empty musk
Damn the Toula diss 😿
uneven palm
Oh right I have like year’s brain groove of Toula being junk haha
Keep forgetting she’s good now
lapis lantern
i watch some of the vids of people doing high fear and i swear they do more dmg with like 1 boon than i do for at least a region lol
uneven palm
That’s practice and knowing the aspects
Also attack patterns so you know when it’s safe to hit stuff
lapis lantern
yeah im still brute forcing some stuff really lol
uneven palm
Like ultra high fear that kinda IS the game is working out “how the hell do I get out of Erebus on time”
spiral wadi
tbh i mainly played raki w circe cuz of the leash rather than the crit
lapis lantern
i play raki with circe
uneven palm
tbh i mainly played raki w circe cuz of the leash rather than the crit
Raki is super convenient there yeah
uneven palm
Raki’s good on Circe regardless of cast IMO. She chases things down, and more damage is good
glass bone
Keep forgetting she’s good now
Yeah she can do consistently 20-30k in UW, probably a bit more in Surface cause there’s more HP.
uneven palm
I have a terrible habit of never waking her up is probably my issue haha
civic salmon
Does air quality affect support fire?
night lagoon
It would
spiral wadi
the only thing air quality doesn't work on is scorch, tho it's kinda unoptimal to use anyway
bronze flax
Does air quality affect support fire?
It does. Source: that happened on the Air Quality run I had
cunning furnace
why are image perms not in this channel
empty musk
why are image perms not in this channel
Post in another server or victory-boasting and media link here
tall notch
how do yall fight hecate with axe
Axe is more midrange than melee, I'm far from an axe expert but taking advantage of that was helping me get past her
spiral wadi
i only get midrange when i'm playing apollo atk and i still get hit by her projectiles frame 1 when i try to dash after attack
tall notch
i only get midrange when i'm playing apollo atk and i *still* get hit by her pro...
Oh yeah, imo that's more of an issue with the axe being slow than its range. For that reason i prioritise getting attack speed asap. Maybe even start droplet keepsake
spiral wadi
hmm
i rather not do that just cuz i can't handle selene room start and i need a boon after 3rd room (and i don't want to waste my time rerolling in the first second)
tall notch
i rather not do that just cuz i can't handle selene room start and i *need* a bo...
Come on embrace the gambling
spiral wadi
nuh uh
tall notch
https://tenor.com/view/cat-gambling-gambler-gif-572068894331490223
This could be you @spiral wadi
spiral wadi
i've fallen to the deep end
it's scorch attack time
theoretically i either get psychic with insane pyro tech or i get burning desire also with pyro tech
tall notch
Or you roll common scorch, rarify it once but it's so little scorch it'll expire between swings
spiral wadi
i made it to oceanus with the build but god the rooms are disgusting
the goal is to stack it w o-atk
tall notch
Ohh so it's a spinny build, I see. Why not play Than instead of Mel axe for that tho? Any particular reason?
spiral wadi
spite
tall notch
Valid
spiral wadi
same reason i played mel flames cuz no one liked the aspect
tall notch
same reason i played mel flames cuz no one liked the aspect
Hey I like mel flames! The hammers just don't like me and I see inverted spark once every 10 runs if even that
spiral wadi
like yea i'm ignoring the aspect but it's also funny
tall notch
Inverted spark? Inverted blaze? Whatever its name is rn, it's the old Eos in hammer form
spiral wadi
yea mel flame is really fun, offers two entirely different playstyles
not that i'm ever playing attack oriented flames, the magick consumption required is insane
tall notch
not that i'm ever playing attack oriented flames, the magick consumption require...
If you don't click fine line (or get the chaos boon that reduces magick usage) it's manageable
tall notch
yea but isn't fine line a necessity
Ocean swell works too and it adds a third of fine line's magick cost
Ideally I'll get that one (and I am also starting Hecuba because I absolutely need my magick)
spiral wadi
hm, makes sense
stable shale
Is fine line this good ? Every time I get it on o-attack builds I'm a bit disappointed but maybe I'm pairing it wrong ? 👀
surreal hazel
Ocean swell is also very imilarly shaped and aimed like torch OAttack so there's that
Discount Exceptional Talent
versed nexus
Does anyone have some silly or meta hidden aspect builds? Can be of any hidden aspect I don't care, I just want some craziness or silliness rn
glass shell
Does anyone have some silly or meta hidden aspect builds? Can be of any hidden a...
I've always favored infinite healing nergal
Apollo special, Apollo legendary try to get iron core hammer if you can. Hephestus legendary nice, but not needed
Spam omega special and heal infiniteforever.
since it explodes into multiple hits, thats multiple healing ticks and apollo doubles it
heals off each enemy as well
glass bone
Does anyone have some silly or meta hidden aspect builds? Can be of any hidden a...
The Hel Skull Scorch Laser: You take Hera Special, Hestia Attack, Cardio Gain, and start blasting. Ideally you also get some Attack speed in the form of Hermes’s Nimble Limbs. If you want to go a little more on the silly side, then you can switch Cardio Gain for Grisly Gain. I don’t think Grisly Gain is better than Cardio Gain for Magick regen at all, but it is another source of Attack speed that could be really good in Boss Encounters / longer encounters.
surreal hazel
Does anyone have some silly or meta hidden aspect builds? Can be of any hidden a...
Nova Strike on Shiva, grab Reaper and/or Siege frame if it shows up
just use regular attack for the most part with punches that reach as far as the torches to
uneven palm
The Hel Skull Scorch Laser: You take Hera Special, Hestia Attack, Cardio Gain, a...
That’s fun with Slow Cooker too
formal pulsar
I am addicted to blitz attack hestia cast with thermal dynamic and pyro double strike.
I think I got 50f with this on eveything except maybe Mel axe and some torches
stable shale
What's your favourite xinth aspect ? I feel like they all are a bit underwhelming so I end up playing selene most of the time 🤷
digital juniper
i really like Nyx with scorch on special
lapis lantern
nYx is really good
glass bone
Fourth agree (not degree) 
bronze flax
Nyx aspect is the only one I have gotten a victory with, so I'll fifth that lol
toxic pebble
nyx with thermal dynamics is broken
everything with thermal dynamics is broken tbh
flint widget
everything with thermal dynamics is broken tbh
you have a point
flint widget
nyx with thermal dynamics is broken
the alternative is to go all in on poseidons attack, get king tide, arterial spray, and scalding vapor
tall notch
What's your favourite xinth aspect ? I feel like they all are a bit underwhelmin...
I thought coat only has one aspect (Nyx)
jovial socket
What’s some fun special builds for torches / coat ? Usually i go with attack builds, so i want to try something new
tall notch
What’s some fun special builds for torches / coat ? Usually i go with attack bui...
Special oriented Nyx with Hestia special is a classic
For torch ask @spiral wadi
uneven palm
Mel torch kinda everything is fine on attack/special tbh
Big Aphro specials with island getaway are fun
spiral wadi
yea aphro is super solid on torch spec, big spin value
hidden helix best hammer, then whirling or rising helix r solid too
enduring coil or that cheaper ospec hammer helps so u don't get stuck in the very long ospec charge as often
poseidon unfortunately gets gutted on spin build due to icd
if ur not doing wards, ares spec is super fun
empty musk
Eos is a little different then Mel Torch because you lose access to hidden helix since the cap is innately met, and Aphro won't work as well on Eos without Island Getaway
So for Eos I suggest focusing more with on-hit effects (Scorch, Blitz, Splash etc.) since Eos has the range advantage (Distant Island theoretically works, but you'll struggle until you get it)
Also for hammers prioritize Sudden Burst (makes daybreaker come out quicker), Inverted Blaze (daybreaker will follow you after dashing), and Clean Coil (lets you get back to special spamming quicker, plus more leeway w magic)
uneven palm
lol I've used Eos so much and never realized Inverted gave you some control over the daybreaker
patent crest
Moonstone Axe tips? I feel like I just go for attack boons (Apollo and Aphrodite) and hammers, get some effect on Cast for Origination and never use Special. Probably should use Omega Attack more but I usually turn on the Vow that deletes your Magick. Are Special builds viable? On Fear 20
also using Thanatos aspect, any others recommended to try?
glass bone
also using Thanatos aspect, any others recommended to try?
Charon and the Hidden Axe are considered the best Axe Aspects.
patent crest
any particular reasons why?
empty musk
Moonstone Axe tips? I feel like I just go for attack boons (Apollo and Aphrodite...
On 20F definitely, but you will likely benefit from omega attack use more than omega special use on Thanatos
Ideally try to get the hammer psychic whirlwind, it'll transform it to be much easier to use
uneven palm
Than's fine at that level. Best hammers are Psychic (by a mile) and Seething Marauder
I mostly don't click special on Thanatos unless a big Blitz or Heph is on offer or I've gotta cancel out of a chop
empty musk
Agreed, special spam is generally not worth it due to range. Even if you get the hammer which increases special range, you will likely have to play with kbm because the hitbox is too narrow for autoaim to be reliable
uneven palm
i never take that hammer, it's awful
impossible to aim, and on Mel it basically nixes landing multiple hits
uneven palm
any particular reasons why?
Charon is absurd damage with an easy and powerful boon synergy (Lucid Gain from Apollo) and Nergal with Psychic Whirlwind is a big "you win" button
bronze flax
So... Which familiar is recommended for Aspect of Circe?
limpid isle
I think people say raki? that’s actually something im trying to figure out too
cerulean panther
Usually you want a familiar who is going to be more aggressive with getting into enemies' faces with Aspect of Circe, and Raki does that best.
bronze flax
Hmm yeah, that makes sense
rare night
Thank you everyone for the help and kindness throughout early access 
glass bone
So... Which familiar is recommended for Aspect of Circe?
Raki, or Toula
I personally prefer Toula for the added DD, and because my preferred cats (Scorch) isn’t boosted as well by Raki
limpid isle
I find toula to be nice as well because she’s anchored in one spot if you need it, or she moves if you activate it
but also the having to activate is kind of a pain sometimes
uneven palm
Raki chases things down, Gale chases you down, Toula is aggressive but requires micro. Any are good.
patent crest
Agreed, special spam is generally not worth it due to range. Even if you get the...
cool glad I'm generally doing the right build
thanks everyone!
spiral wadi
man i pressed b after picking up a wel item and it didn't register so i accidentally bought seeds
surely this will win the game
limpid isle
surely this will win the game
it’s rng manip trust
spiral wadi
limpid isle
oooof
limpid isle
oh did u also have toula
spiral wadi
ye
toula helps w early room clears
also i'm kinda confused cuz i had the dash attack hammer, but blitz still didn't proc from it
like after dash attacking i woulda thought blitz would proc, then the 2 blasts would activate blitz, but it don't
empty musk
Blitz icd probably
spiral wadi
ah damn
spiral wadi
spiral wadi
thanks, it's just really rough trying to get thru rooms in time while also not dying lol
i really don't want to have to fig leaf lolol
bleak gale
Is Lion's Fang and Discordant Bell good now or still a sore spot among Keepsakes
spiral wadi
i like lion's fang only for the end region, usually better with the keepsake duo
empty musk
Fang is okay
spiral wadi
discordant takes too long to build up so not worth
civic ocean
last stream of EA let's go
spiral wadi
hammer in oceanus will last for the rest of the run as long as u don't miss any skips (which is very difficult to do anyway)
civic ocean
Is Lion's Fang better compared to Hammer or Moros now
Lion fang is additive damage and if your run made it past three regions you probably don't need additive damage
its best biome is probably the first one
uneven palm
I’ll take Fang at the end, especially with cherished heirloom, if I’ve got a lotta flat damage and don’t need defense.
spiral wadi
supersized wailer so i can't go in until it stops screaming for 5sec, then curse suddenly shows up right after it ends so i get punished for going in
pre-1.0 mel axe 62 will happen
i feel like i need poseidon for actual boss damage but i wonder if i should just run like hera start and hope for splash or scorch on spec with siege shredder
uneven palm
have you tried our lord and savior dashing heave?
spiral wadi
somehow i feel like my erebus escape rate is even worse with hera
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1420613609167257611/Hades_II_-_2025-09-24_8-30-22_PM.mp4 if i wanted to play homing projectiles i'd be playing surface rn
civic ocean
i feel like i need poseidon for actual boss damage but i wonder if i should just...
This isn't a mel axe specific thing but I feel like Hestia start Smolder Ring into Pyro Technique is the foundation to win pretty much any run
- Glamour Gain and BD or Blitz and TD or both
spiral wadi
neon crown
for a cast build, what would be better than zeus, since thats my default. (using the cast staff)
elfin forge
I think its either hestia or zeus
zeus is quite good though, no need to really change it
neon crown
cool
tall notch
for a cast build, what would be better than zeus, since thats my default. (using...
Heph is not a bad alternative to Zeus if you want more area damage
Apollo/Poseidon also work if you want to lean into omega casting and/or Winner's Circle
spiral wadi
steel sequoia
no patch notes yet? 
steel sequoia
actually is lunch time here so its a bit more 
but no problem
lapis lantern
3 houuuurs !
lapis lantern
man circe is so strong, didnt even get my duos and still manged to get vows prometh for the first time 🙂
unkempt sleet
for a cast build, what would be better than zeus, since thats my default. (using...
zeus is good but the cast only targets one enemy at a time, still not bad to take
flint widget
my strat for storm ring circe is to take heras attack so that all foes take storm ring damage (kinda)
lapis lantern
i really like hestia cast with gusts and demita cast, throw aphro for BD and hopefuylly hermes 100+ cast speed apollo on top is just awesome. even without the duos or boons on my cast ( worst luck ever after really good start ) it still shredded
flint widget
throw in pyro technique for more dps as well
lapis lantern
yeah i have bad luck getting pt for some reason lol. BVurn to many rolls on it 🙁 Just got Cerby on Vows tho! So nbow I only have vows 4 to do. gonna save it for 1.0
steel sequoia
lets go, death to chronos 
willow kraken
Poseidon: Splash effects should activate more reliably with strikes of varying speed and strength
So is poseidon+pan back?
civic ocean
> Poseidon: Splash effects should activate more reliably with strikes of varying...
Probably not, insofar as I don't believe the O-Spec animation was fixed to be player-favoured. But, it's still probably much much better?
night lagoon
> Poseidon: Splash effects should activate more reliably with strikes of varying...
It should trigger on every Pan knife, unfortunately Pan knives themselves didn't see any buffs in the patch notes
So you still have the slower Ospecial and lose knives if you dash out to cancel said special
grave parcel
No changes to strength or DD in patch I guess? DD is still better after Strength nerf?
I haven't even unlocked Strength yet since I'm addicted to DD
polar umbra
Okay wanted to check if I’m not going insane, since I haven’t played since June, did everyone get nerfed 
polar umbra
Noted
clever drum
||typoon|| nerfs!
Haven't they nerfed every surface last boss with every patch that adds something beyond? Makes sense to follow the pattern
marble hollow
Are there any boss changes I should know about besides Hecate? I beat Chronos but I haven’t finished the surface yet
Edit: haven’t played since June either
lapis lantern
Haven't they nerfed every surface last boss with every patch that adds something...
i just skimmed through the patch notes, and saw at least one flat out boss buff
some nerfs + buffs to various minis as well
patch notes r on steam 🙂
obsidian narwhal
I am super thrilled with 1.0 being out and think the patch looks fantastic but another supay nerf is rough
lapis lantern
i have never used that aspect so i wont miss it thankfully
but im never a fan of big-ish nerfs to stuff unless its flat out broken
grave parcel
patch notes r on steam 🙂
And linked in the #hades2-patch-notes channel
lapis lantern
I usually use mels torchs
lapis lantern
And linked in the <#1233181581737328640> channel
ahh yeah ofc 🙂
grave parcel
I usually use mels torchs
Which aspect? I'm only dipping into aspects now after starting this week
Some are terrible
lapis lantern
just her base one, like a LOT
and the one that pops the special on omega as well
they the two ive used a fair amount
recently been getting SUPER into Circies staff
beat my Vows 3 today with it 😄
grave parcel
I need to try that one
lapis lantern
it is REALLY good
grave parcel
I haven't won a run yet
lapis lantern
ive dont some really nice clears with it, and every time ive been missing some important duo or good amount of poms to make it ridiuclous
grave parcel
I think 20ish nights. Was super close on phase 2 of Chronos. Can't beat Prometheus yet
lapis lantern
oh thats good
i was failing on prometus for a while cos couldnt remember the 2nd memroy game lol
but i got that now
grave parcel
Yep, the second memory game wrecked me the 1st time
lapis lantern
niw i just say the clear positions out loud and it sticks for me lol
grave parcel
Charybdis was a pain on some other surface runs
I tried that last time on Prometheus and forgot to react on the 1st memory game
lapis lantern
😄
grave parcel
But I'm trying different aspects once so it makes for weird runs
Like Medea
I got wrecked on the cyclops with it because the special doesn't have i-frames
lapis lantern
this site shows videos people upload and i found it SUPER useful, not so much for copying builds but t see the various different playstyles https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/
atomic plaza
What recommendations for surface builds does anyone got?
grave parcel
This seemed like a good place to start for figuring out what was good before patch today - https://mobalytics.gg/hades-2/tier-lists/weapon-aspects
I read through last night and now have to figure out what the patch changes
I had just unlocked the Aspect of Selene but not tried it yet. I guess it's bad?
lapis lantern
i porefer the video site as ive found its more the many different styles ofplay people have for each wep aspect etc. for ages i was soley focusing on heavy omega use, but now I now thats isnt generally the thing
the coat? it was my first surface clear 😄
grave parcel
That aspect?
lapis lantern
but now I use a diff aspect
yeah and i took her keepsake etc and did a FAT appolo and hex build
grave parcel
I tried the Mel version and it was alright. I still have trouble with weapons that require me to get in close to guardians
grave parcel
I got terrible hammers though
lapis lantern
it was good tho, i REALLy like daggers and coat - but circie staff so far is the one i get the strongest build out of
grave parcel
With which familiar?
I just unlocked the cat
I've only seen the bird once during a run
grave parcel
Circe
lapis lantern
yeah raki or the cat
grave parcel
I need to upgrade other cards as well. I was saving up for max DD
lapis lantern
circie ive been going hestia cast + dementar gusts and making sure i get the 100% cast from hermes and aphro , then prolly apollo
grave parcel
Hestia cast is the best for everything
lapis lantern
i think people say zues cast is better for it but im getting bored of lighting on everything lol
grave parcel
Range helps a ton when I'm learning
Do you mean the cast that makes it a ranged fireball?
lapis lantern
nah , the cast as the circle on the floor
zues cast is jus lightning ring
hesties is scorch
grave parcel
I think one is called her curse? And she also has the boon that makes it into a ranged attack that drops the cast. I love that
willow kraken
Do you mean the cast that makes it a ranged fireball?
burning coal isn't technically the hestia cast, the hestia cast is the one that causes scorch in the ring
grave parcel
And the cast modifications like that are the curses?
lapis lantern
i dislike the ranged casts tbh, with circie cos ur fam drops a cast as well its nice ot hjave it on the floor
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ check out some of the high fear runs on here, some people are SO good at this game
grave parcel
I'm curious how other new players fare. There's a lot of terminology to get straight at first. I know polygon loved the game but said it seemed a bit bloated. I agree on the amount of plants and fish you can get
I prefer reading to watching videos of gameplay
But I might have to watch some videos of Prometheus or Chronos to learn them
Chronos has so many OHKOs
willow kraken
Chronos has so many OHKOs
I think all of the insta kos on chronos are just "get to the normal looking ground" they're very well telegraphed
though I did get hit by one of them by just being too close to the edge
grave parcel
I think all of the insta kos on chronos are just "get to the normal looking grou...
I think some of it is harder on a much larger screen than a handheld
And it doesn't help that as a newer player I'm usually barely hanging on when I get to the end of a run
regal flicker
Is the “you take less damage” arcana still better than extra lives arcana ?
grave parcel
Is the “you take less damage” arcana still better than extra lives arcana ?
It got nerfed the patch before this. I'm trying to figure out the same thing, but it seems like Death is better now?
I didn't see anything in today's patch that impacted either. But I'm a new player as of this week
regal flicker
I see. Maybe someone else has done the math already. I wanna make sure if it’s better before committing the star dust to upgrade it
grave parcel
I see. Maybe someone else has done the math already. I wanna make sure if it’s b...
There was a post on the subreddit where someone had done it after the unseen patch. I'll try to find it shortly
It's too bad because using Athena's keepsake at the start of a run seemed fun
But I'm still learning guardians so I need my DD and cat
@regal flicker here https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/s/7RqcNDT5QR
brave dove
Is the “you take less damage” arcana still better than extra lives arcana ?
Hasn't been the case since the Unseen patch for most usecases.
One weapon in particular excels with it in hidden axe.
grave parcel
Is it intuitive how to unlock hidden aspects or do I need to look it up?
brave dove
With that said I personally prefer it and it still has advantages so I still use it for everything except very high fear.
You need to be really quite far in — one of the requirements is having all aspects for that weapon unlocked and one aspect maxed.
brave dove
They also added new requirements in 1.0 that we don't know yet, but are said to be indicated in-story.
grave parcel
That's easier to do with maxing Mel if that counts
I need to actually win a run to start leveling others. I've been jumping around trying everything too much
But I'm going to have a hard time deciding what to upgrade if me hoarding arcana upgrade materials and bones is any indication
Are there certain arcana that most agree are worth leveling first besides Death?
dense sluice
What boons go good with Anubis I have to to the fated list for it
grave parcel
What boons go good with Anubis I have to to the fated list for it
According to what I'm looking at "As long as you start with Heaven Strike or Flame Strike , you can't really go wrong from there."
dense sluice
Heaven strike is zues attack?
bronze flax
Scorch on attack sounds great on Anubis, yes
rich belfry
Scorch on attack sounds great on Anubis, yes <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
Yeah its amazing
brave dove
splash can work if you're not doing grit + rivals 4, the damage falls off a bit lategame without good upgrades (like king tide)
glad nova
Did they change the torches now, or in the other update?
Because ngl
I kinda hate it.
stable herald
Still downloading the update, it sounds like they changed the internal cooldown on splash that some weapons had? I want to know more...
hollow stag
What's the best damage boon for Night 1? Is it Hestia on X?
Or should I try for Poseidon Duo boon that summons a Sphere on Sprint
bronze flax
Aspect of Circe gets twice the amount of Magick recovery with the new Lucid Gain
sturdy minnow
bronze flax
It is pretty funny
civic ocean
triple with momus
woeful moth
keepsake doesnt proc in erebus?
dreamy inlet
can i i-frame cerb explosions?
or is it not enough time in the iframe to do
im trying to learn whats iframeable and whats not for example on sirens you can dodge drummer circles instead of moving, etc
woeful moth
which one?
god's keepsakes. With onion
grave parcel
Are there certain arcana that most agree are worth leveling first besides Death? I maxed that one
civic ocean
Are there certain arcana that most agree are worth leveling first besides Death?...
If you’re just starting out I would recommend Persistence, Death, Wayward Son, Centaur, Lovers, and Boatman, I think
Gives you the most survivability which lets you go longer into games for more meta resources
grave parcel
If you’re just starting out I would recommend Persistence, Death, Wayward Son, C...
Thanks. I don't even have lovers active yet
civic ocean
Centaur won’t do anything until you have a 1 through 5 cost card so at least unlock one of each
cinder meadow
Which build is best atm?
civic ocean
I would say probably bricks at this point, straw and sticks seem too flimsy to stand up to wolves
spiral wadi
spiral wadi
uhh i don't think so but ik for some enemies if ur turned away from an enemy it can count as a backstab in certain cases
dense sluice
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1344137346148204676/1420863178870362163/S...
Drop the build after this seems crazy
spiral wadi
gotchu
ionic kelp
with sisters?
Only if you have the Skulking Onslaught hammer upgrade
distant root
being that strong so early looks awesome
distant root
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1344137346148204676/1420863178870362163/S...
hestia special
hera cast
aphrodite gain
some kind of hammer too?
spiral wadi
ye, shimmering rockets from keepsake
distant root
aspect of melinoe right?
spiral wadi
ye
spiral wadi
Drop the build after this seems crazy
sent the victory ss in #h2-victory-boasting
sly seal
if i picked a boon that limits the amount of magic can i still get more later on the run or does it limit it for the whole run
i think its called prime effect
spiral wadi
i think its called prime effect
yea prime just limits ur current magick cap, u can get more magick later
severe fossil
No buffs for rush boons 
spiral wadi
i think hitch rush got buffed in like radius
sly osprey
can anyone tell me what the benefit of paid dues is
spiral wadi
if u have a lot of gold u can decide to use it to tank some damage
if ur really good at dodging it's a super funny hp buffer
sly osprey
alr thank you
lapis lantern
man i wish the boon book would highlight the boons u already have taken 🙁
i know it does on the requirments, but it would be nice if they had a star or something next to the list
spiral wadi
very tru
grizzled bay
If you have the patience for it, I'm pretty sure you can use the Forget-Me-Not to similar effect.
brazen ore
yo why did supay get nerfed again lol
grizzled bay
You would have to do that yourself, though
grizzled bay
yo why did supay get nerfed again lol
My beloved Dash boons, curbstomped. And what they did to Thunder Rush...
spiral wadi
flames getting nerfed,,
brazen ore
My beloved Dash boons, curbstomped. And what they did to Thunder Rush...
wait i dont see that in the patch notes, when did that change
or like, i mean, what changed since unseen update with it
lapis lantern
If you have the patience for it, I'm pretty sure you can use the Forget-Me-Not t...
yeah thats what i kinjd of do, would just be nice when browisng 😄
grizzled bay
Oh sorry, I referenced old stuff. (I remember it as if it was yesterday /s)
brazen ore
Oh i see yeah. i already went through my stages of grief for that
hoary quiver
What are the unlock requirements for the hidden aspects (in general)? I wanted to see how fast I can get morrigan from a fresh 1.0 file
brazen ore
What are the unlock requirements for the hidden aspects (in general)? I wanted t...
unless they've been changed, which they could have been, havent had time to load up the game yet: all aspects of that weapon unlocked and one at max level, your first one can't be supay
hoary quiver
unless they've been changed, which they could have been, havent had time to load...
thanks
can the maxed aspect be a melinoe one?
narrow raptor
revert the god keepsake changes please this shit makes high fear just frustrating with 0 actual benefit to the gameplay
brazen ore
can the maxed aspect be a melinoe one?
yeah
and then of course u gotta talk to the right people for it
brazen ore
revert the god keepsake changes please this shit makes high fear just frustratin...
am i dumb, what keepsake changes
im like looking at the patch notes and not seeing a change
narrow raptor
am i dumb, what keepsake changes
they made the god priority get removed by onion in high fear
spiral wadi
they what now
narrow raptor
i dont think its on patch notes
spiral wadi
that doesn't seem right but i haven't played onion yet in 1.0
narrow raptor
try a run :) very funny change :)))
spiral wadi
yea i highly doubt it's an intentional change
narrow raptor
i should ask someone for an older version of the build so i can check hmm
grizzled bay
I saw someone else mentioning it as a new bug elsewhere in the discord - where escapes me
brazen ore
i hope it's a bug and not an intentional change
sadly i had to take a break from gaming so i can be functional in class, and i never reached 55 before i did that. i'll be so sad if it's that much harder now
spiral wadi
wait i just read the patch notes nemesis being able to show up in tartarus is huge 👀
glad nova
How do I dodge Typhoons tongue beam attack? I forgot
spiral wadi
kinda just dash thru it
u can also stand right in front of typhon's face since it has a blindspot
brazen ore
wait i just read the patch notes nemesis being able to show up in tartarus is hu...
same with artemis being able to show up in star/pom rooms
spiral wadi
tru
brazen ore
icarus being able to show up there makes me annoyed but its fine
spiral wadi
· It is easier to destroy Ephyra Pylons using Aspect of Medea
medea indirect buff it's real
brazen ore
medea escaping EA with barely a touch (OK the cast damage is actually a nerf i suppose) is so funny to me
spiral wadi
icarus being able to show up there makes me annoyed but its fine
yeaa icarus increasing hordes is not particularly fun, tho hopefully nem isn't that bad since it's only 6 rooms when including hades
spiral wadi
medea escaping EA with barely a touch (OK the cast damage is actually a nerf i s...
then they kill mel flames spec like it's not way harder to use than medea
brazen ore
pan and supay got vivisected before our very eyes
and medea is like No, don't worry sweetie. You're doing fine.
brazen ore
then they kill mel flames spec like it's not way harder to use than medea
there are some balance changes where I'm like OK I get it. medea's superiority vs every other aspect remains baffling to me
like i'm not mad at it (except for jealousy cause i loved pan and supay pre-nerfs) but i genuinely don't get it
spiral wadi
mhm, like damn i don't want to turn my brain off and spam atk/spec over and over,,
brazen ore
i dont know what sg sees in it that i don't
opaque cypress
Charon axe benefits from the special speed increase, definitely more smooth. Same with Persephone skull
spiral wadi
special only mel flames u still need to maneuver like ur life depends on it
especially when ospec doesn't stagger for some ungodly reason
brazen ore
ngl i don't think i have a single clear on mel flames. i think i haven't touched it since way way way back in EA
like pre-warsong i maybe used mel flames once
spiral wadi
lol yea i never touched flames entirely either until i heard it lost popularity in unseen so i decided to try it out
old strat was like uhh fine line spam
now that strat still kinda works but it's also fun to just pivot entirely to specials
and i don't like taking hecuba tbh, 1 whole familiar just for magick doesn't sit w me
maybe if hecuba increased omega dmg but eh too late for that now i think
brazen ore
i grinded moros torches for a while to try and get a sub-7 in the speedcord for aspect of the week back when i had free time, and ended up really enjoying them. but for the most part i prefer the builds that don't rely on magick very much
brazen ore
i thought it was shorter than that but i really did not use it enough to recall
spiral wadi
i think it was 1.5 in warsong?
brazen ore
i know it got nerfed in unseen but i cant remember by how much
looking at wiki edit history i think maybe it was 2 seconds in unseen as well but i dont know how much to trust the wiki lol
spiral wadi
hm, well seems like it's still gutted then unfortunately
brazen ore
yea i think momus took a bullet for circe and anubis
spiral wadi
lmao tbh i was fully expecting an actual circe nerf in some form like reduced cast radius
brazen ore
i was too, but i think cast builds get away with a lot bc there's a bit of a higher skill level associated with them. cause you can't just mash attack, you gotta be more precise with your positioning
spiral wadi
idk i feel like given how especially in high fear where u absolutely want to be away from enemies as much as possible while also dealing as much damage as possible, circe is a cracked conduit for that
like circe is fun for sure but i find more fun getting up close for the damage lol
magic moss
The final update to the Sheet has been completed. What started off as a fun passion project turned into something beyond my wildest imaginations. Thank you everyone for joining me on this journey through Hades 2 EA.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit?usp=sharing
brazen ore
thank u mini
steel sequoia
how is the morrigan triad combo? i forgot the sequence
uneven palm
Quick combo is dash -> tap special -> hold attack -> release b/c you can buffer a dash-strike after a special and special while dashing.
More practical is hold attack, release when safe, special, hold attack, repeat
magic moss
The final update to the Sheet has been completed. What started off as a fun pass...
Over 2000 clears and 800+ vods logged into this thing
holy i still cant believe i did this all by hand lmfao
grim barn
is there a site/place where I can see good builds for different weapons?
uneven palm
i mean 1.0 has been out 6 hours it'll probably be a minute
There was a quickie guide on Steam written during EA that has all the hidden aspects covered https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3431760756
grim barn
perfect, exactly what I needed, thanks. I just need a direction at least for the time being
visual flume
I kind of just like zeus specs on a lot of stuff
important to note for charon that you really need lucid gain for the regen but once you do it gets broken ridiculously fast
that said don't take winner's circle and I would actually not take prominence flare if you get giga cleaver (which lets you get 2 casts per special, which is absurd)
dreamy inlet
very important to know, does moon-ray with x3 beams shotgun?
or is it just 1 and hte other two are just for aoe purposes only?
its important to know because thats +200% damage (right?)
i bricked my build >_>... really wish you could unspec a point in the tree
uneven palm
it shotguns, yes
dreamy inlet
is cinerary circle a meme? it sounds like such a meme
so whenever you spend 60mana and hit the urns you do 600 damage? thats kinda pathetic
unless im missing something here
pure grove
600 damage is a lot if you’re constantly spewing out magick (by having the magick cost+ boons)
uneven palm
Free damage is good
brazen ore
for me it depends on my build and what else hades is offering. Its def more of a situational pick
but it can be really easy to trigger
native harbor
Bottomless drink and staff of Anubis is still my favourite thing I've ever done in this game
keen vapor
What's a good aspect of artemis build?
spiral wadi
i like aphro on spec, especially with trick knives
lapis lantern
The final update to the Sheet has been completed. What started off as a fun pass...
this spreadsheet is amazing ty
worn bone
I completely forgot the best fear modifiers
magic moss
this spreadsheet is amazing ty
thanks
lapis lantern
i like taking the first 3 vows then 2 time and go from there, i really dislike denial and shadow
dreamy inlet
i remember in h1 someone made a flowchart of skills and what they do etc, it was later even in the wiki page
does something like that exist for h2 yet?
worn bone
I already got night's champion, but I genuinely forgot everything about the game
I'm completely washed 🥀
lapis lantern
im getting stomped by vow 4 chronos , cant get past p2 atm
abstract grove
guys is it just me or the hitboxes on ||Heracles in the enhanced fight|| are ridiculously out of sync?
Bro jumps into the air, and while in air, hits me 5 meters away before even landing
was it like this before the update?
sudden belfry
what boons are best for xinth
the uhhhh Shooty Thing
golden fox
is ||supay|| still good? what build for it these days?
grim barn
anyone knows which of the umbral flames is worth upgrading/using? always struggled with that one
spiral wadi
moros is prob the most powerful one rn
uneven palm
what boons are best for xinth
the uhhhh Shooty Thing
Any combo of Hestia, Poseidon, Hera, Ares, Zeus on attack/special will probably work out just fine
uneven palm
is ||supay|| still good? what build for it these days?
Flat damage on attack + special, get a rush boon with some damage
abstract grove
anyone knows which of the umbral flames is worth upgrading/using? always struggl...
all of them have some charm, really, I invite you to use all of them, and yes, they are pretty strong with the right build. I'd say Moros is a bit clunky, but all other 3 are good
wooden carbon
What's the build for low fear moros? I've been loving this weapon and wanna try a more meta strat
grim barn
I feel like weapon itself is clunky xD
uneven palm
O special, hold attack. You can cast and dash while attacking.
Repeat when O special expires.
abstract grove
that's for the base version, yes. I personally enjoyed 3rd aspect more than others
quaint orchid
is stalwart stand or mental block better
primal phoenix
Hey guys, I kinda struggle with Anubis, how do you play it ? I guessed a tick-based build with scorch from hestia on atk but I dont find it incredible by any means so far
abstract grove
Hey guys, I kinda struggle with Anubis, how do you play it ? I guessed a tick-ba...
i tired it today and had the same problem. The best way I found is to play it focusing on Omega Special + hex
lusty heron
poseidon on the attack was pretty good
golden fox
what is the best staff aspect?
spiral wadi
circe and mel staff are both prob the strongest
the secret aspect is amazing too tho it does feel like an entirely different weapon
momus is uhh unfortunately not good, overall using omegas on staff is objectively worse than spamming attack and special so the aspect that relies on omegas (momus) suffers
spiral wadi
circe and mel staff are both prob the strongest
circe aspect might take a little to understand but once u nail it it's super easy to play and net strong builds with
lapis lantern
circe is so strong tbh
I really like making some ridiculous fire cast build with gusts pinging off evrywhere and then popping scorchs with demi special
spiral wadi
truu
unfortunately they patched out the bugged scorch cast scaling, idk if it still scales with cast items but it doesn't with furies so 👎
lapis lantern
imuch prefer it with hestia ring over zues tho tbh
spiral wadi
tru, tho personally im prob not gonna pick it up as often cuz of the nerf lol
sudden belfry
which black coat aspect is considered the best...
lapis lantern
i just had a run with pan doing hestia and demi , with posidon cast , it was SO nice
i like Nyx coat
sudden belfry
kk
i was so close to beating chronos again with the coat i got carelesssss
lapis lantern
mel coat i play a lot with the attack omega
and nyx just zipping about evrywhere 😄
spiral wadi
i actively avoid oattacking lmao i'm not about to try and learn what can be blocked and what can't
sudden belfry
hmm. what are the best aspects of each weapon? i assume stuff has been buffed and nerfed since i last played
spiral wadi
uhh for staff prob circe in terms of simplicity and strength
axe prob charon or nergal
flames definitely moros
blades morrigan
skull medea
sudden belfry
i seeeee...
lapis lantern
i really like the Mel torches, cos u can just omega attack and dash around - heavy on the ole magic tho
lapis lantern
mostly its so i dont have to concetrate on lining up the special
EOS is quite nice for special only
spiral wadi
yea eos is p good too
sudden belfry
damn i dont even see morrigans aspect...do i gotta discover it somehow?
lapis lantern
weapn spoilers|| all weps have a hidden aspect to unlock||
spiral wadi
ye it's one of the secret aspects, u'll be able to unlock it eventually
lapis lantern
ngl morri looks quite hard to play
spiral wadi
morrigan's difficult to learn but super crazy strong once u nail it
it kinda only has one singular playstyle tho so i've stopped playing it
lapis lantern
ive watched a couple of high fears with people using it, it looks good
im a bit of a wall atm, i got vow 4 which im finding super hard and 32 surface, so now im just doing w/e fear for the thirst and trying to unlock endings 😄
spiral wadi
it kinda only has one singular playstyle tho so i've stopped playing it
actually they buffed the spec hammer maybe i'll try a spec oriented morrigan build later
then they can nerf it like mel flames
spiral wadi
im a bit of a wall atm, i got vow 4 which im finding super hard and 32 surface, ...
tbh it might be easier to do uw 32 without rivals
lapis lantern
yeah i was doing it with rival 3
spiral wadi
the first 2 in uw are the hardest while the first 2 in surface are pretty tame
lapis lantern
i can do hecete and eris pretty much ok
spiral wadi
nice
lapis lantern
not eris, erm... scylla
but it depends sometimes i just get farmed by her lol
but im getting stomped on only rivals 4 with no other fear at chronos
spiral wadi
actually all the rivals in uw are insane lmao cerb ground blasts r annoying to understand
ye rchronos is a little weird but all his moves are thankfully predictable
like for most moves if he does a move he'll do another specific move always after
eris rivals is surprisingly still ez, they shifted the difficulty from the balls to the laser which ironically makes the fight 10x easier
lapis lantern
yeah ive watched good people do cerb and u reallllly need to get timing down
but the more rivals u can use the less other things u have to take which is nice
spiral wadi
obv i'm prob too used to eris atp so i might be the minority
lapis lantern
nah eris fight is pretty ez as long as u can pop the balls