h2-builds-and-combat

[median anvil]

trick knives blade can handle wards because your attack knives hit before the blast

[stray pivot]

Just get scorch or any dot and remember to blast after it anfd not before

But yeah
Wards are especially annoying in normal enemies with heph

[glass bone]

That’s why I was thinking of an elaborate setup and Volcanic Flourish over Strike.

Flame Strike should cover the weaknesses of the blasts

[stray pivot]

The weapon choice matters though

[glass bone]

Though to be fair, Blades attack really fast

[stray pivot]

OH yeah thats good

Blades Special its fast enough for chain reaction

[glass bone]

I was aiming to push Mel Blades as high as I can in UW, and my only other 62 is Circe

I feel confident I can do 56, and I’ve done up to 45 with Mel Blades, but adding in Hordes and Grit I’m less certain of.

[stray pivot]

Grit its good as long as you have a good build

[glass bone]

I also did have a strategy I thought of recently that I did with the 62 Circe.

1. Hestia Start. Roll lucky enough to not time out in Erebus, and grab Total Eclipse
2. Take Moonbeam in Oceanus if I do get Total Eclipse in Erebus to nuke Sirens
3. Take Renewed Faith in either Tartarus or Fields if I’m unlucky in Oceanus, and hopefully clutch up against Chronos

Just need to spend several hours getting my previous runs saved somewhere else before I begin the hardest Mel Blades grinds, since I’m out of space for these 30+ minute recordings.

[stray pivot]

o

[civic ocean]

Whichever one is better is whichever one has the lower starting cooldown

[glass bone]

I guess… I’ll try it out at 51 to start

Not gonna jump straight to 56 with Onion and Pain 3 just yet.

[gritty solstice]

I never get exceptional talent.

Or i'm doing somthing wrong or i'm just unlucky

[hollow tartan]

do you actually get the prereqs ☠️

[gritty solstice]

Yea.

[hollow tartan]

well keep getting more apollo boons to reduce the pool? ive gotten legendaries on region 1 tons of times (surface)

[gritty solstice]

is Excellence Arcana helps with this?

[hollow tartan]

i never take excellence

it does help, yes, but i never use it

[gritty solstice]

with Artemis, what is your main focus using the weapon? I'm not so familiar with this aspect, so, any tip will help me a LOT.

[glass bone]

Well to start, you don’t need to manage your magic if you want to focus on attacks and specials. Thats because you can still parry with OAttack with no magic. That being said, I don’t remember if it would use up one of the crit chances.

I do know that any attack used after a parry, whether it hits or misses, will use up a crit chance. And that Trick Knives’s extra specials I believe are bugged to not allow for crits.

Trick Knives is still strong, but I believe that’s a knock against using it on Artemis

[gritty solstice]

i'll try to use Exceptional Talent, if doesn't work, i'll try aphro uga buga attack buff

[glass bone]

Oh yeah… right. Artemis’s best hammer may be Sweeping Ambush. That’s because compared to Weed Killer, Sweeping Ambush consistently adds +20 Magic cost, and +400% more damage.

[uneven palm]

Artemis the best crit-charge-to-damage choices are O attack >>> regular special >> dash-strike. So you can either do big Omega attack spam with Sweeping or Skulking, or specials and dash-strikes if Reaper or Trick Knives show up. Attack/special slightly prefer percentages for the crits but you can also build it like Mel Blades with like whatever and it’s probably fine

[hasty path]

What do y’all think about Hera’s cast?

Me?

I hate to say it, but like… that is strong.

…I’m sorry what

Is the mod bot down???

Anyways.

I feel like it does so much damage. I hate to point it out though, because it binds super well with Circe

[spiral wadi]

hera's cast is very solid for room clears, tho ur basically trading solid cast dps for ez room clears

[hasty path]

Ain’t that half the game though?

Omega Cast is a good balancer for it

[spiral wadi]

for smth like circe u'd want to lean towards like storm ring or scorch ring which bring both solid dps and room clears, especially smolder when leveled/rarified a little

ig ocast is also solid for cast dps, i haven't played low fear circe in forever but yea ocast circe's really good

[hasty path]

Scorch ring is good, yeah, but I always feel like hera kills EVERYTHING

Is low fear in the 20s now?

[spiral wadi]

prob low-mid is 32

[hasty path]

Gagdamn

[spiral wadi]

ig it could just be me having a skewed sense of fear so prob don't take my word too seriously lol

50f or so is my comfort fear atm

[stray pivot]

Heras Cast its absurd with circe

[hasty path]

For me, 32 fear wasn’t ter—
HUH?

I sweat on 26 fear, Jesus

[stray pivot]

Literally just
ABSURD

[hasty path]

I really want it to stay the same though

Also, it? Coupled with a gale and Air Quality? A dream…

[timber pawn]

For most people 32 would be considered pretty high fear 🙂 for people who hang out here too much it has crept higher and higher over time haha, don't let that take away from your personal achievements!

[hasty path]

I admittedly start getting antsy with time limits and such (despite doing 21-ish runs)

[past salmon]

People have brainrot.
32F is high for the majority of people

[upper rapids]

Fear inflation maybe, as more guide-related content is posted

Like gym physique inflation

Also congrats sub 4 goated

[formal pulsar]

Reminder that only 7% of the players got the 16 heat achievement in h1 and no achievement for 32 heat. The vast majority of players (95%+) never touch 32heat let alone go beyond.

[weak hamlet]

What are peopl's top builds for Supay? I just got it and even with just a few Zeus boons it's insanely powerful without hardly any effort or aiming, you just trololol around.

[upper rapids]

🍲

[glass bone]

Yeah, Supay is the “Vampire Survivors” Weapon. You trade automatic damage for less survivability (I.e. you don’t get free staggers on your attack and special, but DO on Omega moves)

The boons I’ve seen can be mixed. I’ve seen Breaker Rush, I’ve seen Romantic Spark I believe, a whole bunch of stuff

[spiral wadi]

the stagger on normal flames are super short anyway

[glass bone]

It’s better than 0 second stagger

[upper rapids]

ive done Romantic spark with glamour gain and blitz on special and felt good
as for the dashes, i think zeus and hestia are the better ones rn, you can also try out ares and maybe hera (?)

[spiral wadi]

tru

[upper rapids]

specials are great for applying curses so hitch or blitz work great

o yea poseidon, with king tide or beach ball thats also neat

[spiral wadi]

beach ball blades sounds funny ngl

[upper rapids]

i thought beach ball required pos or apollo dash

blades is for the beetroot soup build

[spiral wadi]

ye, ig i figured cuz apollo dash is big important in rivals rn

just sprint speed in general

[civic ocean]

Is this just cuz its easiest way go zoom

[spiral wadi]

cuz otherwise it's extremely difficult to dodge rcerb and rchronos

rcerb cuz his fire laser sucks ass to dodge without sprint speed, forcing u to basically always be near him, which isn't always possible when his ground rupture spam has almost no blindspot across the arena

rchronos cuz his dash slash chain literally cannot be outrun without like +35% sprint speed or smth

[glass bone]

But can it be dodged towards Chronos?

[spiral wadi]

if chronos does the four trail attack u get punished for doing that

[glass bone]

True…

[spiral wadi]

as far as im aware the two have extremely similar windups so u kinda have to hope he does one or the other

[glass bone]

So then does R4 Chronos need nerfs / adjustments?

[spiral wadi]

i'd prefer an adjustment to the dash slash tbh

[glass bone]

Because I don’t think it’s healthy for High Fear to generally require so much sprint speed, and the Deep Dissent, and often Renewed Faith for survivability

I feel like for actual balance, the cheese needs to be removed from Sirens, Prom, and Chronos, but some minor nerfs (or perhaps major for Prom?) could be added

[spiral wadi]

tru, i just have genuinely no idea how they expect u to dodge dash slash chain, like i did it one time and i still don't understand it LOL

but yea it'd be nice if they changed it so sprint speed isn't as important

same for freeze cuz surface enemy comps are diabolical and it feels bad for freeze to be the way to go

cheese is fine cuz it's single player game and it's fun to feel like ur breaking the game

[glass bone]

I guess

Idea for Cerberus; the fire can be changed to ‘match’ R2 Eris / R4 Chronos large instakill clock hand, in that it is just sweeps across the whole arena.

That way you can dodge it without sprint speed, but need to dodge it.

Who doesn’t love a fidget spinner doggo that makes you burst into flames?

[spiral wadi]

mmm maybe, the weird thing is that cerb has two fire spit moves, one is a straight laser w/ no randomness and lasts like 5s, the other is spammed w rng and it's the one where he dashes after

[glass bone]

And the problematic one to be changed is the latter

[spiral wadi]

ye

[glass bone]

The other adjustment I could see is to the ‘infernal dog shadows’. A blindspot is included at Cerberus, but he recovers faster and can do the swipes

Idea being, you either have to I-frame the huge attacks, or be pulled in to where Cerberus is most comfortable fighting you

It’s similar to the one attack where he digs up at a far away area, but perhaps a bit more dangerous

And speaking of, that attack feels incredibly easy compared to some other stuff he has

[past salmon]

Yeh so like
It's doable

The dash is very uber forgiving hitbox wise and also normally doesn't even reach you so it's kinda just sprint/strafe out of the way of the dash and then dash the slash hold sprint got the second one

[spiral wadi]

hm, will try that later

[uneven palm]

None of the Omegas on Supay stagger either

[formal pulsar]

So I am trying to test building Anubis with ares attack and heinous affront for mass room clears with light smite. Room clear is probably best I’ve ever seen. But bossing is …. really lacking. Thoughts on improving that? First thought is blitz on the special but if I don’t get decent rarity it feels not quite amazing

[cerulean panther]

Switch Ares to Special.

Wounds is kinda wasted on such rapid-hitting Attacks and the radius on the Omega Special is actually quite good for room clears.

[civic ocean]

Storm Ring and a blitz

[gritty solstice]

someone knows a good Persephone build?

[lunar kiln]

2/3 sec heph blast as your first boon is pretty good

[civic ocean]

https://youtu.be/qLzHWTGIRZM?si=wMCehCT9UfU31Njj

[gritty solstice]

wow

[keen vapor]

Whats a decent sprint build?

[median anvil]

anything using torch hidden aspect 😂

highest damaging ones are probably poseidon and hestia

[keen vapor]

There's an aspect called torch? Or are you talking about umbral flames

[median anvil]

umbral flames yes

[glass bone]

No, it’s the Hidden Aspect of the Umbral Flames

[median anvil]

we just call them torch

[keen vapor]

Gotcha, I have the Supay aspect on it and hestia on sprint right now so I guess I still remember the sprint meta

[tall notch]

Play Nyx, the omega sprint mechanic it has is really cool

[lunar kiln]

whats good on hel other than pos attack

[median anvil]

scorch

[civic ocean]

In theory Blitz too

[empty musk]

Assuming you get chain lightning yeah

[digital juniper]

basically rail with zeus attack in H1

[digital juniper]

how does playing moros work? have ospec uptime high and use that to explode your attacks?

[glass shell]

omega special > attack until omega special stops > repeat

[indigo viper]

@empty musk seriously? Then I've been living in previous era where selene was more likeable (and iirc stronger) than nyx.

[empty musk]

Nyx use to not copy Olympian effects so that's why something felt off

[glass shell]

yeah it was literlaly just two small ass dinks behind the enemy for 50% damage, and (still) can't hit the same target

[gaunt quest]

So how does Scorch work?

I dont get it :(

[formal pulsar]

What don’t you get?

[gaunt quest]

So does it just store damage, and then slowly releases it over time? 👀

[cerulean panther]

Yes.

[spiral wadi]

as u hit with attack or special, u deal "scorch damage" that accumulates as u keep hitting them, and each enemy will "consume" 100 scorch per second that converts to 100 damage per second

[cerulean panther]

Does Scorch still "hit" 6 times per second?

[digital juniper]

followup, hera attack since it pierces and zeus special? get pos somewhere and double down on fine line and ocean swell? feels like it might work?

[spiral wadi]

ye

they should make it 20 dmg on 5 ticks so it's whole number and i like whole number

[glass shell]

the low level version is scorch is consumed to apply the damage, and gets damage bonus. 10 scorch with 100% global damage(or olympian) is 20 damage. It consumes, baseline, 100 scorch per second if you have that available

[floral mason]

Are bonuses from Excellence and Divinity additive or multiplicative? Usual boons have 10% of being rare. With +60% from Excellence will it be 70% or 16%?

[spiral wadi]

additive for rares, multiplicative for legendary

so 60% on rares, and whatever legendary is but x1.5 of that

[floral mason]

And divinity (epic boons) is multiplicative as well, right?

[spiral wadi]

i believe divinity is additive too

it's just specifically legendary that isn't additive for reasons known only to sgg

[glass shell]

both.

because the devs are allergic to consistent tooltips

[spiral wadi]

which is kinda wack cuz u already need to superinvest into one god to get their legendary, and in most gods it's not even like a groundbreaking legendary

[floral mason]

cries in trying to understand which Poseidon boons trigger slippery slope

[cerulean panther]

Attack, Special, Cast.

[glass shell]

and uh

something else im forgetting. i think its the not-revenge boon

prime 30 hit enemies trying to attack you

[cerulean panther]

High Surf?

[glass shell]

w.e its called

[cerulean panther]

Dang, that really is quietly Poseidon's killer boon.

[formal pulsar]

High surf applies slip slope? TIL

[spiral wadi]

sea star should proc slippery slope

[cerulean panther]

Should it?

[spiral wadi]

let enemies walk into the item in fields

[cerulean panther]

Mel: "Oh, so enemies can walk and apply Froth but I can't?"

Poseidon:

[formal pulsar]

Does it make any sense that high surf works but not breaker rush?

[glass shell]

yes because its not a splash

if it called for a splash like attack/special did it would count

[spiral wadi]

it feels like an oversight tbh it should proc froth

[glass shell]

or was specifically coded into applying it

but its not. Its not a splash, so it doesn't count

same for the legendary

im FAIRLY sure splashback is the revenge

[spiral wadi]

it'd be fun if high surf was changed to a revenge boon

[empty musk]

We hate fun tho remember

[spiral wadi]

wounds value

damn ur right

[empty musk]

Especially when it comes to Poseidon

You will sell your soul to get King Tide and you will like it

[glass shell]

it lowkey makes it worse

[spiral wadi]

funny cuz i haven't gotten king tide in forever

[glass shell]

but i guess having synergy with heinous would be neat

or just literally calling it a revenge boon and making it work even if its not literally "revenge"

[spiral wadi]

idk im kinda at the point where i do want just like 2 or 3 more revenge boons lol

[formal pulsar]

Regardless breaker rush looks like a splash and functions like a splash, it is very unintuitive that it is not treated as a splash

[glass shell]

preemptive revenge 😈

[glass shell]

it doesn't though. it just looks like water

[empty musk]

Fr the revenge boon game from H1 had like 4 other gods to pull from right

[spiral wadi]

kinda dumb to only have a total of 3 revenge boons that work, and ares' revenge isn't technically really a revenge so it's really like 2

[glass shell]

it doesn't say the words splash anywhere on the tooltip either

[glass shell]

its an apollo/zeus duo in disguise

to make up for glorious disaster

worlds first trio boon

[spiral wadi]

glorious disaster,,

[formal pulsar]

Do you think if we ask most players is breaker rush a splash or not, they will say not a splash?

[empty musk]

What demographic of players

[formal pulsar]

It’s visual needs to be changed or make it work with slip slop

[empty musk]

Most high fear or speed runners will fs say not a splash, new players may be slightly confused ig

[glass shell]

frankly it may as well work with slip slope its not like froth is that good rn

[spiral wadi]

i'd be down if they changed breaker rush to work like a splash cuz rn it's kinda very similar to breaker rush, just no cd

[glass shell]

but it very clearly is NOT a splasjh

because you are kinda forgetting the knock on effects making it a splash would have or just willfully ignoring it

[spiral wadi]

m true

it'd be funny if it was a splash, but it didn't end on the first enemy hit, so u could just continue sprinting and it'd keep splashing

[glass shell]

bro is just reinventing EA release poseidon

[formal pulsar]

But it was like that

[spiral wadi]

ok i didn't play EA until warsong /lh

[glass shell]

it also consumed magick on hit

[empty musk]

Well back then it had the magic cost attached to it right

[spiral wadi]

power surge value

[glass shell]

yeah and that was a nerf disguised as a buff

[formal pulsar]

It used to cost 5 magick per enemy hit and you just kept going

[glass shell]

and then they took away the damage compensation buff in unseen despite the patch notes saying they buffed the damage cause now supay existed

· Breaker Rush (Poseidon): now deals more damage, and in an area around you
the damage went DOWN

[formal pulsar]

Thunder rush was 3 magick and it spawned thunder as long you kept sprinting and it was good with power surge

[glass shell]

though i guess its aoe which is what it could technically mean

[formal pulsar]

But noooooo cannot have interesting rush boons

[empty musk]

You will take Blinding Rush and you will like it

[glass shell]

im convinced they just didn't like easy huntress activation

[empty musk]

Huh it's almost like Huntress card design is ass 🤔

[glass shell]

idk i think its fine kinda sorta

i personally haven't used it even though i should be

since the sprint changes

[empty musk]

If the Huntress meta rn is no gain boon it's clearly not doing what devs intended 💀

[spiral wadi]

it's funny cuz i took huntress for my 62f uw run since it was harder to get a consistent build going and huntress helped decently for early game, and now trying to do some surface attempts since it's way easier to get a consistent build going, it's back to furies (mel torch)

[past salmon]

wait im so confused
huntress over furies?
I dont see any universe where an extra 20% on attack/special is worth 30% on literally everything

[spiral wadi]

50%

[past salmon]

im saying 20% cuz furies gives u 30% of the attack special anyway

[glass shell]

^

plus you don't need to awkwardly weave in an omega at the start of a room

on aspects that don't use omegas cleanly

[empty musk]

Mainly if you're doing pure attack/special and highly mobile weapons where you won't be able to ensnare most enemies bc you move around too much + don't get a cast boon early. I still think Furies is more optimal but it can be easier for certain builds if u get unlucky

[spiral wadi]

tru, ig in my mind it's that i was kinda turning my brain off and not using casts lol

[glass shell]

the cast should quite literally be on the field 24/7

almost zero animation, zero delay, zero cost cc ability is the most broken part of mels kit

[spiral wadi]

yea but since i was spamming normal specials anyway i figured it was worth leaning into the 50%

[empty musk]

True but casting speed means you won't be getting value out of Furies 24/7 unless you have the right build

Like Furies still optimal but I understand taking Huntress for easier UW 62fs

[spiral wadi]

it's not really me saying that huntress is better than furies, it's just my thought process and my experience when i did make the switch

[past salmon]

Idk in my eyes there is like actually zero reason to ever take off furies.
It's 2 cost 30% damage increase its nuts

I'd sooner take off orig

[empty musk]

Well you're good enough where you clear Erebus without arcana so . . .

[spiral wadi]

tbh fair

[past salmon]

How is this relevant here? 😭

[empty musk]

Basically like red isn't saying Huntress is better than Furies, just that Huntress was more helpful when they first started doing UW 62f

[spiral wadi]

i should clarify that i took huntress during my mel flame 62f clear, not my first 62f clears

it could have also been the fact that since i move around a lot with mel flame around a room and cast is like in one spot

but honestly i have no real answer it's just what i was feeling LOL

[glass shell]

what im hearing is that origination needs a buff

[empty musk]

Well % mel flame special's gonna get a lot more consistent use out of Huntress, like is furies technically optimal if you can get other damage sources + keep enemies in cast 100% of the time? I guess. But if you don't do that doesn't really matter if it's global

[glass shell]

in reality it doesn't really if your doing omega spam

cause you want channel speed and eventually will be omegaing EVERY attack

[spiral wadi]

i think for long term furies should be overall stronger as u get a more solid build w like blitz and scorch etc

[glass shell]

furies is just a disgusting card tbh

like foolish said, free 30%

[spiral wadi]

which is why on surface i've switched off huntress cuz it's not as important to have solid special/atk damage in early game

[glass shell]

of all the cards i expected to get nerfed i saw furies going to like 10/15/20% as a possibility, but instead they hit divinity

which the problem of divinity was the arcana layout and stagnation not the fact it gave 20%

[empty musk]

Right, like cast placement is a lot harder to learn than use one omega move no gain and go ham

It's like casuals thinking Ripple Effect is broken and Blitz is bad, ofc it's gonna be like that for them at that point until they are able to play builds more optimally

But anyways

Huntress still ass fix it 😔

[glass shell]

.... do casuals think re is broken?

[spiral wadi]

i mean it makes sense cuz at low fear magick is not a problem so more fine line value

[empty musk]

U find the craziest takes in victory posting

[glass shell]

like agree thinking blitz is bad, was my opinion all the way back when he was objectively OP cause i was noob nad thought "but its delayed damage smh"

[spiral wadi]

everything is "broken" in h2, it's just less and less hold up at higher fear lol

[glass shell]

frankly if anything mel torch magick dump is arguably OP and ripple effect exacerbates it to new levels but it doesn't mean RE is op

but magick dump is a fun playstyle that already got nerfed with torch rework

[spiral wadi]

ironically the 62f surface clear by forest (hammer reroll guy) used blitz fine line and spammed atk only

[empty musk]

Yeah I do hope they eventually fix the high fear imbalance but after 1 clear 62f per weapon I'll prob just go back to 50f

I hate having to look for Blitz every single run 😔

Or doing no magick builds

[glass shell]

frankly im fine with 62 hell like 50+ fear only have singular viable builds

its not a design space they balance around and stuff being viable there is either through pure happenstance of other things being "bad" or because its overtuned.

in order for blitz/zues to be non viable they would need to either completely gut his lower fear performances or do some like targeted nerf of like static shock not stripping wards or something

which pre unseen i would've said won't happen but after ICD-gate who knows

"dots no longer affect shielded enemies" or something

[spiral wadi]

toasting fork return

[empty musk]

I feel if they did they'd rationalize it as a buff to support fire

[empty musk]

Honestly toasting fork > arc flash

[glass shell]

you say that but toasting fork is so ass man

it was like every 5 seconds

wait wrong boon

toasted fork was even more useless bro what 😭

in what world was blitz ever expiring

[elfin forge]

toasted is just a more fun word

[empty musk]

Oh wait that's what toasting fork was??? Nvm

[glass shell]

i was thinking of this one
https://static0.gamerantimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/hades-2-spirit-surge.jpg?q=70&fit=crop&w=825&dpr=1

[empty musk]

I thought it was the one that spawned chain lightning on blitz activation

[spiral wadi]

fake huntress

[glass shell]

https://static0.gamerantimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/hades-2-electric-overload.jpg?q=70&fit=crop&w=825&dpr=1

[ocean ibex]

huge

absolutely bonkers dps

[digital juniper]

see while reading it was thinking hey it’s not that bad at high fear since there’s a chance you get primed tf out…until i saw it was 60 damage every 5 seconds

[ocean ibex]

damn i thought that was 0.5

[glass shell]

yeah if it was like every 1 second at 0 magick nuke the room it would be good

literally hienous affront light smite before it was a thing

but 5 seconds was just DOA

[empty musk]

Remember Apocalyptic Storm

Way more interesting than Hail Storm but ass

[past salmon]

atleast this had linear pom scaling and became funny with ransom

[formal pulsar]

Compare that with current thermal dynamic

[formal pulsar]

It was a sad day when static shock lost the infinite +5 per Pom scaling

[gritty solstice]

bro

how this is even good

[tall notch]

Old spirit surge was free to activate with the now remowed vow of panic. It really wasn't a bad boon back then

[sage flame]

did it work when primed out?

[sage flame]

also crazy considering old zeus gain was just constant regen for reduced max magick

until the gain changes with uhhh

patch 3?

[formal pulsar]

Wasn’t vow of panic was that you started each location with 0 magick?

[gritty solstice]

Hey, don't yall think there should be an Hestia Boon that provokes an Explosion on High Scorch?

[spiral wadi]

true,

[gritty solstice]

Just like blitz from zeus, but, in Hestia.

[stable herald]

Well there is Thermal Dynamics which applies a ton of scorch when you apply Blitz, and Freezer Burn which detonates all your Scorch at once when you apply Freeze

And both are very good duos

[sage flame]

yeah but i was asking if spirit surge worked if primed

[rich belfry]

guys what do u like to build with morrigan ? i wanna try Ares and Zeus with i think its cool

[gaunt quest]

holy crap im being offered Rare Born Gain, incandescent arua and cherished heirloom at the same time!?

[hollow tartan]

if it was chain lightning for every lightning effect it would be massive

[empty musk]

Welp run failed but did finally get the proof that Moros Pin can heal if you clear a wave of enemies, not just an encounter. Again this is most likely to happen on Olympus and unreliable in other regions due to the next wave now being able to spawn in before the previous is cleared. It also is limited to once per encounter, as the end shows (yes I'm bad )
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/14083582243932730324/4CAE9512EF763AC2DEF1CF162BE7226A90F5D09B/

[surreal hazel]

Huh, Hades counts for extended family

[upper rapids]

He is a boongiver after all

[frosty grove]

So, I've seen a few people talking about Artemis blades feeling bad with how you have to use your attack / special before you can start channeling them, but I've never seen anybody mention Morrigan blades in those discussions as well? Maybe I'm just bad but I did my UW run with Morrigan for the prophecy last night and hoooooly trying to get that trifecta was like pulling teeth. Couldn't channel my special because the extremely slow projectile was just lazing ahead and back, for some reason my o attack also refused to channel sometimes and I'd just be standing there doing nothing for a second or two. It felt so so bad, definitely my least favorite aspect so far

[spiral wadi]

i think it's cuz for artemis u want to save ur charges, and using atk/spec consumes charge even if they whiff

but yea morrigan spec has a weird cd that carries over to ospec

[glass shell]

to be clear, its a whole ass problem with omega at large. but morrigan is already a really strong aspect so it just doesn't.... NEED the buff and saying it like morrigna needs buffs is a lol statement

[spiral wadi]

and also has weird buffer behavior if u collect special too early and try to use special again

[glass shell]

it would absolutely be a nice QOL buff to morrigan to have it, but short of a whole rework of the omega system a targeted buff to morrigan is out of place

[gaunt quest]

So

If judgement activates cards that just so happen to satisfy a 0-cost card's condition, will that activate too? same for the piggy bank, or crice's card draw

[spiral wadi]

i believe it has to activate the specific card to trigger it, so 0- costs won't retroactively trigger

[glass bone]

Ok, correct me if I am wrong about Nergal builds. I’ve been doing so many runs with it, and I’ve yet to get past Rival Sirens at 50+ fear;
Hera Attack
Weed Killer
Psychic Whirlwind / Iron Core / Dashing Heave
Then support boons (e.g. Born Gain, Blinding Rush, etc.)

[frosty grove]

I mean, I never said Morrigan specifically needs a buff. It's really strong if you can manage to trigger it, but triggering it when the game just does not accept inputs for oatk and ospec just does not feel good gameplay wise

To be clear, I am a casual player. I did 32 fear once for the statue and have not passed 20 fear for nightmares since. If I don't need to increase it for nightmares, I only play on 12 fear, and tbh once I get all the nightmares I'm gonna drop down to 10. I'm not a speed runner and I don't care to push super high fear, that's not how I personally enjoy the game. So that's the perspective I'm coming from

[strong matrix]

Sorry for the noob question, but I’ve had a hard time conceptualizing how the different status effects should be maximized for dmg output for scorch blitz and froth.

Froth gives a debuff you want to keep up as long as possible, so a fast attacking build (like hel) seems suitable. Scorch is feels kinda the same? Can blitz be reapplied after 120 dmg and thus should also be spammed as much as possible?

[median anvil]

blitz has a 0.6 second cooldown where it can't be reapplied after dealing damage

for froth and scorch they're good on pretty much anything, don't overthink it 👍

[keen vapor]

Decent cast build? Storm ring looks strong but idk about the others

[glass bone]

Smolder Ring can be used greatly (partially because it’s bugged to be stronger)
Arctic Ring can be used with Air Quality for fast 50 damage pops.
Tidal and Solar Ring can be used with Winner’s Circle, Geyser Spout, and Lucid Gain for huge bursts

[keen vapor]

I'm assuming you don't care about special, attack or sprint in these builds? Like I shouldn't aim for hammers, purely for things that boost my cast?

[glass bone]

No, you can add in some support boons there

Special and Attack can be great sources of curses for Origination

Especially if you are using something like Storm Ring, which doesn’t apply a curse

For the most part, there’s like… 4 weapons where Cast can play a crucial role.
Circe and Charon are specifically Cast weapons, where the main benefit is in large part, the cast.
Supay and Momus are Cast-adjacent, because their mechanics could lead you to using Cast more (Momus for Night Cycling, Supay to slow down targets since Supay doesn’t have native stagger on Attacks and Specials)

[keen vapor]

Oh true I need to change my arcana cards for cast builds

[glass bone]

No, not really.

Messenger isn’t really a requirement for these weapons.

Circe can use anything
Charon can use anything, but may prefer Eternity as an option
Momus generally requires Night (not Cast specific)
And Supay can also generally use anything, but I have heard of a Night build for Supay (even though the reaction wasn’t fully positive from other ‘high fear runners’)

In general, there’s like 4 cards that can be subbed in for specific weapons;
Eternity (Basically all of the axes)
Night (Momus, and maybe Supay)
Huntress (Mel Staff, and possibly Mel Skull, Axe, and Torches have Huntress builds)
And Unseen (Shiva is a prime example, though there’s a few others who’s also magic-hungry)

[uneven palm]

Night’s pretty good on a buncha things: Momus, all Torches (esp Eos), Thanatos & Nergal (mix in O casts, enjoy more crits on O attacks), Selene, Shiva

[formal pulsar]

Why isn’t messenger more used than sorceress with aspects that don’t use omegas? If you are going death, queen will activated by the third row anyway. You don’t need full first column

[empty musk]

Mainly Erebus, even for non magick builds it can be hard to get a quick clear without boons if you aren't using at least your omega cast

But some weapons that can keep up that early yeah def trade Sorceress for Messanger

[glass shell]

not every build goes full 3rd row assuming you mean divinity, not queen

[empty musk]

I think we're talking ab high fear tho, right? Most builds should take that row purely bc of Lovers and Origination + Centaur being free for most setups

And Swift Runner's sprint speed is becoming surprisingly important for hitless rivals frenzy

[glass shell]

the question is mostly on origination and lovers, lovers is taken basically always at higher fears cause 3 hits is infinite hp vs a boss, but origination i've seen dropped especially in onion context.

its simply cheaper and easier to go full left cause you are ALWAYS taking reroll corner + furies + swift runner. So you're only fighting for 1 grasp vs 5 of origination.

like if you are literally never omegaing yeah sure sorceress does nothing, but very few things literally never omega

rarely or few times per room, sure. but 30% speed on a like hel omega special is a lot of time saved each room

[empty musk]

Most of my 62f attack/special runs I end with all magic primed so it's def an early game investment

[civic ocean]

Yeah no need sorceress on non magic builds

[civic salmon]

if I have Hel + static shock + air quality,
each attack shot will have 50 damage and each static shock (whatever they're called) will do 50, rather than the base 15, correct?

[median anvil]

assuming whatever damage boost you have doesn't already make them do 50 damage then yes

[wet pawn]

yo any morrigan builds tips?

[median anvil]

best attacks are hestia and apollo
best hammers are final slice and sweeping ambush

[wet pawn]

and best specials? going apollo on attack and hestia on special is viable?

[median anvil]

the specials are ASS only use them to activate triads on beefy enemies and bossfights

or apply a curse for origination

[glass bone]

Would it be worth it at high fear to get Hera Special?

Or is it better to go for Origination another way like Blinding Rush, most cast boons, or Glamour again?

[woeful moth]

How do you outrun p3 dash attacks? Especially when he uses 2 dashed I guarante take damage

[tough vapor]

came back to play some after a while, first run, thanatosss axe and I got nova strike into a rare bridal glow, so i instantly have a heroic lvl 3 nova strike with the than axe, I think the run might be blessed lmao

[glass bone]

Honestly, I feel like the best advice is Sprint speed.

Rival Chronos has phases where it is “his turn”, and where you can strike.

[gaunt quest]

I am activating Night and Lovers to activate Judgement, Moon, Divinity and Queen

Which 5-cost card do I get? Origination, Excellence or Unseen?

[glass bone]

Origination is best. Though Death or Strength are typically cards you will want to start with for Judgement runs

[pure grove]

My preference is the entire bottom left corner for RNG manipulation

[gaunt quest]

i like nice big rare boons tho,,,

[pure grove]

Going with Death isn’t great because you’re not likely to burn a DD on the first boss, and boon rarity isn’t actually all that important

[median anvil]

I'd take strength cause otherwise you'll have a tough start

[pure grove]

Strength can get cucked later down the line. Not picking origination is a personal preference though. It’s good but not for me

But yeah, Strength is probably the best option for the first biome

[gaunt quest]

apparently strength was nerfed? what did it use to do?

[pure grove]

It used to be “take 50% less and deal 25% more damage”

[median anvil]

see, you want either strength or death for start
if you take death and get strength later, it'll be a waste of card
but if you take strength and get death later, you benefitted from its damage resistance in the first region and you just got three defiances

[pure grove]

I mean, a very safe Judgement build would be Wayward Son, Titan, and Strength, but you run the risk of not getting good early boons.

[median anvil]

a very safe judgement build is strength and origination and furies because nothing can damage you if everyone's dead 🤑

[pure grove]

True. Now that I think about it, you could probably swap Titan out for Origination or Furies if you take Frinos with you

[tough vapor]

the nergal axe aspect feels SO fun, still in my first run with it but it honestly feels SO strong, granted, apollo and axe are a combo nigh guaranteed to feel good

[cerulean panther]

When we say Titan, do we mean Persistence?

I know the name got juggled a few patches ago.

[glass bone]

If it’s referring to the arcana cards, yes

[cerulean panther]

It was in the context of Arcana cards, I'm guessing it was that.

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1411820079141748879/64982859.1_4C5B7C7AECD46105.mp4 eggs

[empty musk]

Is it crazy for me to say I wish bad egg rng always occurred as opposed to it sometimes occuring

Like obv ideally it gets coded out w safeguards but if it's here to stay then . . .

[violet verge]

What should I do with circe + storm ring? Like are there any duos i should try to get? I usually go to double strike, chain lightning and the cast gust, but i didnt omega cast much, so im going to try to get geyser spout and start omega casting instead, I'm having a hard time dodging typhons atacks even tough i melt everything else with a very good build

[empty musk]

Everything u said + Nimble Limbs and the Zeus x Poseidon duo thru Froth

[glass shell]

for storm ring not really much else to do

[empty musk]

But these aren't necessary at all

[glass shell]

If you go the omega route you'd want stuff like posiedons +dmg on omega cast, demeter duo to make it follow you etc

im personally more of a fan of the demeter zeus ares route

demeter cast, zeus air quality to boost artic ring + gusts, ares to enable the duo and meat grinder

4th is optional but apollo for more duos and gust synergy, or posiedon for the 100 dmg boost, or even aphro for health + dodge cna work

[violet verge]

To get the posseidon duo i just grab the atack, right?

[empty musk]

You need Slippery Slope after too

But yeah attack or special

[violet verge]

Honestly i never tried artic ring, i just try storm ring and hestia smolder ring but i was going to try posseidons cast too, but artic ring does sound interesting tough

[violet verge]

Yeah that too

If i pick artic ring is it worth it to pick hail storm?

Like choose the special just to activate the duo

[empty musk]

If it's offered take it unless you have better options but never seek it out

[violet verge]

Ok thanks

[empty musk]

Hail Storm is only taken bc it's one of the most common duos, not bc it's good

[violet verge]

Yeah, makes sense

Im gonna try more casts and omega casts, the problem im having too is getting a very good build that melts everything and then still dying to typhon. Buts thats just skill i guess

[empty musk]

Are you dying to Typhon bc the fight itself or time?

[violet verge]

Def not time, i only put level 2 on the vow of time

Its the fight itself

[surreal hazel]

Hailstorm is extremely mid in the literal sense

It's never bad, but it's hardly run-defining

[spiral wadi]

hailstorm kinda requires longer freeze t2, otherwise it's just 120 damage every 10 seconds (12dps)

[empty musk]

Hmm then def don't do Hostile Environment since that'll force u to camp Typhon chin. My guess is investing more in blitz (preferably thru special) will do more for your build rn than anything else cast-related while you're still learning Typhon's moves

[spiral wadi]

i'd be down if they made it 15 every 0.25sec on hail storm so it's an air quality moment

[violet verge]

Honestly i agree, a duo like the omega cast 100% damage one is way more run defining

[empty musk]

Apocalyptic Storm was so much cooler even if it was cheeks 😔

[surreal hazel]

Also kinda redundant now

[violet verge]

I already learned typhon moves, i already finished all testaments and already maxed out all aspects. Thats the thing

And im still dying to him

Im playing with extreme measures 4 btw

[empty musk]

Frenzy off or on?

[violet verge]

1 level on

I already got used to frenzy honestly

And im playing 32 fear btw

[empty musk]

Honestly just turn it up to 2 if you're gonna run it at all

[violet verge]

But my builds are very, very good, i melt everything

[empty musk]

If the moves become quicker they're easier to iframe

[violet verge]

Until i reach typhon, he melts me

[violet verge]

Ok im gonna do that

And turn down some other vow

Should i play fangs? The one that gives more perks to enemies

[surreal hazel]

Yes

Won't make typhon harder

[past salmon]

Just turn all the vows to max imo imo

[violet verge]

Damn i didnt activate fangs until now

[violet verge]

67 fun fear

[past salmon]

True

[surreal hazel]

Make the testament cry

[spiral wadi]

ye, good to get accustomed to them

[violet verge]

But do i activate 1 or 2 levels?

[spiral wadi]

nyx when she comes back: "you did what with the oath before freeing us?"

[violet verge]

Im going to activate 2 levels of speed from now on

[cerulean panther]

Nah, that's a "After Zagreus took up being Charon's regular sparring partner, this isn't very surprising."

[empty musk]

You know Nyx was pissed when Zag maxed out Routine Inspection

[surreal hazel]

That fear may spread?

[spiral wadi]

true,

[cerulean panther]

Complete with Melinoe's puppy head tilt.

[surreal hazel]

I mean what better companion to spread fear than a skull used by Medea?

[spiral wadi]

the mental image of nyx putting on the coat and prepping omega sprint

(eris has seen it before)

[violet verge]

Omg wtf i just imagined it

[surreal hazel]

Nyx charging at you at full speed

[cerulean panther]

Who has better fisticuffs: Demeter with her Aspect, or Nyx with hers?

[surreal hazel]

Also it's called nightspawn...

Did the black coat birth nem and eris?

[empty musk]

Nyx fs, you know Demeter was counting to 12 every 6 seconds

[surreal hazel]

Insert jojo gifs here

[empty musk]

Beating up Eris w her own incubator

[cerulean panther]

There are now-deleted Twitch VoDs of me "mudamudamuda"ing because I can't "oraoraora" as quickly and clearly.

[surreal hazel]

Black coat is just malphon with the heavy blow hammer

Probably uses similar animations

[cerulean panther]

...So you're saying Demeter has better fisticuffs.

I think I can agree, she just has an uppercut, Nyx has missiles.

[tawny stag]

Does aspect of morrigan really prefer any gods for its combo?

[cerulean panther]

Using your Omega Attack to trigger Blood Triad will often hit multiple enemies, so Hera is a good option in there. It doesn't hit super frequently, more slow hard hits, so Poseidon and Hestia are better for their support pool.

Apollo is up there for your Attack, makes it absolutely enormous and great for hitting more enemies.

I don't think Apollo or Sweeping Ambush increase the size of the Morrigan's Omega Attack.

[spiral granite]

On the current supay, what do you people suggest ?
I still did not try it

[uneven palm]

Flat damage on attack special, get a rush boon. That’s about it.

[summer cipher]

Now I may have just joined the server, but I’ve been playing for a while now and still haven’t really found a strategy that works against Typhon. My ‘strategy’ is just to build up enough health to survive long enough to beat him. What do you guys recommend?

I do this for all of the weapons

[glass shell]

hug his face.

[summer cipher]

I got that part down

[glass shell]

it has been the strat since warsong and unseen barely changed it, just adding in the tentacles to the final phase that makes you step away every like 10 seconds

[pastel obsidian]

Typhon's probably the boss with the clearest attack gaps since he's so massive and his attacks all leave him open. That is, if you can dodge.... unfortunately learning to dodge always takes some time.

[glass shell]

dunno what else you can really struggle with as its super free once you learn to hump his face

When he does the spitball attack dodge left or right last second, not up/down

when he does the tornados just go to the other side of the arena sicne he can't do anything else, and if the tornados leave his face go back to step 1 of attacking his face for free

laser is pointless when it cant' hit you point blank

occasionally dash backwards when he rears back to slam the ground

[summer cipher]

Yeah, I don feel like I can somewhat consistently beat him, but I wanted to see if there was a better way

It’s just that usually I end up taking anywhere from 300 to 500 damage from him alone

[pastel obsidian]

Don't be disheartened about taking damage though. I routinely beat Typhon after taking like 600 damage on them alone haha

[summer cipher]

And it’s getting really hard to tank that much health at these higher nightmare levels

[glass shell]

i do that sometimes as well, phase 3 can be a massive pita

but again thats what the dd's you saved are for

sometimes you just ball out and facetank to get the fight over with

or get impatient or get wombo'd

a clean final phase, especially w/ rivals, is a hard thing to do

[summer cipher]

Yeah, but I’m at nightmare level 20 right now and it’s getting hard to save dd’s

[glass shell]

the other phases are pretty easy to do with minimal damage and well you saved all that hp and dds for a reason

[glass shell]

well i'd argue that the improvement should be in the areas where you lose the dd's then not vs typhon since he has a relatively low skill ceiling to really..... DO something vs. Past hugging face and recognizing projectiles to dodge, not really a trick to it

[summer cipher]

Yeah, I guess so, in my last run I lost 2 of them to base Prometheus

[uneven palm]

I’ve got a vid about Prometheus that might help if you don’t have his nonsense down https://youtu.be/iDfSTMw9qsI?si=dh85-9Z1r7BJcddy

[upper rapids]

Ssooooo close to a 53f clear on anubis but i got cucked so hard

Didnt have enough cash for the dd in final shop, wouldve needed like 15 more coin
Didnt reset my athena dd in tail fight, left with 8 hp effectively wasting that dd refresh
Took so much unnecesary dmg in the phase before baby mel

The build was cracked asf too
Flame strike
Heaven flourish
Apollo dash
Dem cast
Aphro gain
Static shock
Air quality
Spiritual aff
Sweet surrender
Wispy wiles +
Circe word of smaller statue +
Gale
Pyro tech
Nitro boost
Thermal d
Freezer burn
Burning desire

Im sooo ass for dying with this build man

[spiral wadi]

dw, choking with a good build is extremely common

plenty of good runs can end up getting goobed anyway

[upper rapids]

nah like these were such small details that wouldve definitely cleared the run
regenning hp off of athena stalwart stand
and breaking some pots or maybe not buying a pom, to get the last shop dd

i didnt play the typhon fight well at all but the extra hp wouldve been enough

at least the other bosses felt better this time around, still took damage from some prom/heracles hits but better than usual

[spiral wadi]

whatever u do it's better than me using my last reroll on an onion door

[upper rapids]

will try the build again cuz i dont see much scorch attack on the h2crossroads and i want to get a good clear on it

[spiral wadi]

rad, get those improvement points

[upper rapids]

lmfao ive done that before

[spiral wadi]

ye scorch spec seems to be the popular play atm

spec/cast

[upper rapids]

i thought scorch attack with blitz spec would be great but maybe with thermal d or burning desire the opposite works so much better

[upper rapids]

given i was on the laptop and not pc its actually something im proud of
poly only got hit by medea who tp'd on top of me when i didnt notice
eris only got my lovers and 1 gale barrier from me dashing at the wrong time when shes lasering
prom, i mightve ate one hit from him and maybe something from heracles but the biggest hit was a wave cuz i was distracted by damaging heracles

[spiral wadi]

prob, tho tbh i'd say scorch atk still consistent overall in case u don't get the duo

[upper rapids]

minis were good too, dracon did i think nothing, tail only took a land dracon projectile ( those shadows are so hard to see i wish they gave them some highlight )

[spiral wadi]

truu land dracons suck ass in that fight

[upper rapids]

the one advantage i see with blitz attack is maybe you can throw an ospecial in the earlier regions ( still have magick unprimed ) and clear big chunks quickly, to get through hordes and grit
timer has been an issue w scorch and i dont even have grit or hordes , i was at 19mins when i died to typhon

so attack for blitz, ospecial proc blitz early, new enemy wave

[spiral wadi]

mm seems reasonable

i haven't played anubis in forever so i wouldn't know,

but yea with scorch builds ur kinda forced to either roll for pyro or freeze duo

[upper rapids]

Sure would help w early rooms yea

[spiral wadi]

it kinda sucks that scorch can't crit, like that feels like it kills antler runs

[tall notch]

Or I guess sacrifice the scorch for something else and change builds midway through a run if the weapon can do more than scorch

[spiral wadi]

tru, sacrificing just feels inconsistent rn lol

[upper rapids]

I did have zeus attack still possible to show up and could buy him for a sacrifice but then all 3 duos go to waste

Also idk what duos ud go for on zeus attack

Ares duo with his special feels like a waste
Poseidon tidal ring maybe ?

Idk what id value more, killer current w tidal ring or hail storm w arctic ring

[spiral wadi]

ares spec with divine vengeance is pretty solid, still a lot of investment

[upper rapids]

Speaking of sacrificies, and also throwing away good runs

Had two runs get gutted by the same mistake a few days ago

[spiral wadi]

id rather killer current, hail storm suffers from needing t2 freeze

[upper rapids]

Same-ish anubis build, picked aphro boon in the shop and was forced into sacrificing smolder ring for rapture ring

[spiral wadi]

doom

[upper rapids]

Second time i sacrifice smolder ring for demeter's, whilst i already had demeters attack
Did kill eris w it somehow but goodluck against prom lmao

Thats a Esc->Give up->Quit right there

[spiral wadi]

ive begun to use give up more cuz it's no longer circe where u can mess around and prob win

[upper rapids]

Used it a lot recently as im learning max scars max pain
If i lose even one dd in ephyra to some bs attack that i didn't pay attention to its joever

[spiral wadi]

if u think about it it's athena value for later

[upper rapids]

Unless she shows up naturally

[spiral wadi]

natural athena is a 4-waver and it's absolute pain LOL

[upper rapids]

Ive managed to get through them every time so far but yea

Thing is i really like the keepsake for the epic rarity but i dont like losing dds and gambling that early on , but then i dont have that many good keepsakes left

[spiral wadi]

ye it's usually fine, it just don't feel good when i get three giga sized auto seekers spread out across the room and she literally refuses to spawn until all the queued enemies spawn

[spiral wadi]

fair

[upper rapids]

Typically its 2 god keepsakes or 1 god and fig for first 2 regions
Then.. maybe pin if im that low ? Knuckle bones if i have hitch
The fang for free damage
Maybe selene if ive a good hex

Surface throws way less dds at you so dont really like gambling on athena
Even tho i enjoy this element over the underworld since it feels tougher

[formal pulsar]

Anubis blitz attack is good. I am a firm believer.

Blitz on the attack and scorch on the cast is optimal setup for that build

[upper rapids]

Thats what i was doing when i sacrificed the smolder for rapture ring yea

I guess you go freeze on specials? Or even leave it empty

[formal pulsar]

Hitch is my favorite on Anubis special since you are group enemies

#1217110523091357747 message

that was my win

[upper rapids]

Cant click on it but if youre purplecolor on H2 crossroads then ik it

[past salmon]

its from the speedrunning cord if ur curiuous

[upper rapids]

Wait no thaats aki on h2 wth

[formal pulsar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217110523091357747/1402838620716531762/Hades_II_8_6_2025_2_08_46_PM.png?ex=68b65446&is=68b502c6&hm=d012d8a63e335284504ff74948e4bdc005cafaad1e1a31c0c84630c376033bd1&

[upper rapids]

My memory was off

[upper rapids]

Ooh aight gonna join it why not

Not that i can speedrun anything but

[past salmon]

#self-promotion message

[upper rapids]

Found it yup thanks

Is satyr gold pike the ephyra guy btw

[upper rapids]

Gg
Two questions tho

With worry free, you took the onion cuz you knew you had taken the damage or as a safety precaution for summit?

And if slow cooker was valuable for the attack power, is secret crush also worth?

[past salmon]

no I think they are just the satyr dudes in Olympus

[upper rapids]

Could be yea

[past salmon]

u can check codex

[upper rapids]

If it was the miniboss i wanted to ask how do ppl try to dodge that guy cuz shadow servant makes it so annoying

[upper rapids]

Later when i boot the game maybe

[past salmon]

hide in fear behind pillar

run like child

[upper rapids]

See i would hide in fear if he didnt dash at me like a madman

[wheat thistle]

Maybe I should try hitch anubis again-

[upper rapids]

Entered the room
Shadow locked onto me
Dashed to the pillar
The other guy dashes at me for like 40 dmg

Skill issue™

[upper rapids]

Hitch go crazy with knuckle bones on prom

[wheat thistle]

Ouhh I never gave that a try too

I remember putting down Anubis because Eris was such an frustrating problem for me lmao

but that a skill issue it seems

[upper rapids]

It do be yea cuz i also suck at her w it

I think you need at least like ~1:30 mins or so for her with a good build

[wheat thistle]

hmm I remember my last "combo" for it was Hestia attack and Hera cast, I don't think/Remember having a special

maybe hera ring was a mistake, in hindsight I think Zeus attack and hestia ring is better-

[median anvil]

that's when you pull out the omega special

it deals disgusting damage with enough % boosts

[wheat thistle]

Oh yeah- my "idea" was with Omega attack with the walls but ehhh

Other then Hera what boon should I aim for, for the speical?

[surreal hazel]

Nova?

Also Vicious, Heaven, Volcanic, Ice

Honestly a lot of solid options here

[upper rapids]

If im going for an omega special build then apollo or aphro
If im going for an attack build then whichever god offers good status and opens up duos with the god on the attack slot

[wheat thistle]

I see i see-

[median anvil]

any % boost works
yes even demeter and ares

[wheat thistle]

Gotcha

[hollow tartan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/852833387030380546/1412073299604672512/image.png?ex=68b6f73d&is=68b5a5bd&hm=df174608019e2ac57cc9d95728ee87cbf0cc3520e355c862c22bc370f14ac3f9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1454&height=818
another 32f down the drain, chronos was melted (or frozen)

[wheat thistle]

Ayeee

[uncut owl]

Can anybody give me some hints on which fear is the best to take to hit 32?

22 seems super easy but then im unsure what i should pick

[uneven palm]

I’d do something like this https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDAsMCwzLDIsNSwyLDAsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsOF0=

[upper rapids]

Would take debt over return unless return is there to train for higher fear

[uneven palm]

Debt is pretty painful esp on surface because throwing money at Hermes is how you get absurdly OP

Like there are worse things but I think a lot people undervalue “buying lots of things is useful”

[uncut owl]

at hermes? you mean charon shop right?

[upper rapids]

1 debt 1 return thoughts

[uneven palm]

Charon shops and Hermes shrines on the surface

[willow phoenix]

Rivals 4 is pretty free for 32f imo, like if you want to only win 32f once then doing rivals 4 can probably free up scars and denial, giving you a lot more room for error

[uneven palm]

(Also Hermes is effectively the Charon shops after Rift 🙂 )

[upper rapids]

Whats yo current vows tho

[upper rapids]

I do agree on rivals 4
Underworld and no frenzy is easy rivals 4 for sure

[uneven palm]

That’d be an option also it’s a lot of fear but also another learning curve maybe.

Like you’ve got options IMO I just wouldn’t touch Hordes, Grit, Forfeit, Void, maybe Wards and you’re probably OK

[uncut owl]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwyLDAsMCwwLDIsNSwwLDAsMiwwLDMsMCwwLDAsOF0=

thats my current 22 setup

[uneven palm]

Menace and Hubris are easy-ish add-one to that

[uncut owl]

i only tried hubris once

does it not impact you much?

felt annoying to be punished for lucky rolls

[wheat thistle]

Well at least Hubris isn't actively trying to kill you I guess-

[uneven palm]

It’s basically free fear if you’re running low-magick, and it doesn’t prime so much that magick runs are borked. Just plan on taking some urns or Silver Wheel if you’re desperate for max magick

[formal pulsar]

sorry went to sleep right after.

1. yea. while i didnt know how much hp i had, i had an educated guess that i had taken enough damage that i needed onion. also I switched to dds for high fear runs, athena renewed faith is much better healing than struggling with onion

2. attack power buffs are all good on anubis because you hit so many enemy at once so it translates to a lot of power. but for this build I was mainly looking for hestia cast/thermal and pyro. anything else was just a bonus to get

[upper rapids]

Makes sense makes sense

[tall notch]

return is fun, for that reason alone i suggest at least return 1 should be one of the first bits of fear anyone puts on

like unless you specifically want to speedrun, having these little guys spawn arounds adds to the enjoyment of clearing rooms

[upper rapids]

I will say the bright green is visually pleasing

[tall notch]

and they feel satisfying to pick up

[upper rapids]

But if one of those souls gets yeeted to a corner of the map and i dont see it later and the mob spawns back in making me waste time it's pretty annoying

[tall notch]

here's the tip, it won't be annoying if time is none of your concern 😉

[upper rapids]

Im just too sucky wucky to not worry about time at the fear im trying to accomplish

[tall notch]

here's the thing, if you turn up return you can turn down the timer! so, you'll have time to collect the little guys

[upper rapids]

I do actually have return maxxed p sure

[uneven palm]

Return is annoying but mostly you just have to stop panicking when the greenies spawn and it's no big deal

[tall notch]

imo everyone in the sirens fight should drop one and they actually respawn if you don't pick it up in time

[uneven palm]

omg my nightmare

[tall notch]

imagine killing roxy, but the revenant spawns behind the trap, you can't pick it up because of the trap being active and then you have to fight another roxy

[wheat thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/verne-stare-gif-24447130

[tall notch]

btw are they still actually called revenants or is that early access brainrot on my end

[median anvil]

they are in fact still called revenants

[frosty grove]

I'm sure it boils down to "get good" but dear lord I despise rivals Scylla

There's way too much going on for me to process anything

I'm doing my 20 fear daggers and I eventually just gave up and sat eating every projectile while I attacked, honestly surprised it only took one DD

[hollow tartan]

time 3, frenzy 2, rivals 3, shadow, wards 2, menace 2, fangs 2

[hollow tartan]

scars 2 and return 2 is a death sentence, theres so much free fear and you choose those 2 lol

[uneven palm]

Frenzy 2 requires relearning the game for a while, which I wouldn’t recommend for most folks that just want a 32. Scars 2 is still tons of healing and return 2 is just kinda annoying

[median anvil]

frenzy2 and timer3 are quite a challenge for casuals

they're only free fears for us that have been brainrotted

[hollow tartan]

id still rather take 2 wards than 2 scars

[frosty grove]

Yeaaah, I never could have done 32 with timer 3, as a casual player

[wheat thistle]

Well I almost never uses timer myself lmfao not even timer 1 sometimes

[hollow tartan]

ig it could be that (ive been playing frenzy 2 since early access released)

[frosty grove]

I did rivals 4, hoards 3, frenzy 2, menace 2, fangs 2, shadow 1, wards 1

[hollow tartan]

3 HORDES?????

[frosty grove]

Yeah

[median anvil]

timer1 is 100% free. timer2 is very easy to learn

[uneven palm]

It’s way, way easier to learn to go a little faster and get some lucky breaks (skips, etc) than it is to learn how to handle more enemies that take way longer to kill

[hollow tartan]

well thats why your runs take so long, u have 60% more spawns and dont take timer vow

[wheat thistle]

How do you guys "go faster" actually

[hollow tartan]

my longest run was 18 minutes on 50 fear

[frosty grove]

I'm also a casual player

I don't speedrun lmao

[uneven palm]

Kill stuff quickly, pause when choosing rooms, take free rooms

[wheat thistle]

I am quite a terrible player lmao in general i would say

[median anvil]

properly learn every enemy movesets so you can recognize every single safe damage opportunity, stop playing overtly safe, pause to make important decisions

[hollow tartan]

yeah but if u take 60% more enemies you arent going to "speedrun"

[uneven palm]

That’s 95% of it

[frosty grove]

Almost like that's not why I play the game

[hollow tartan]

sometimes its just the build (im a genius i know)

[frosty grove]

I don't care about pushing high fear or low times, I care about... Playing the game. Making relationships, gathering resources, decorating crossroads. I don't play like you do and it's insulting that you constantly tag me to belittle my playstyle because it doesn't match yours

[hollow tartan]

i dont recall 'insulting' you or having that kind of behavior

[uneven palm]

Play how you like. You don’t have to interact with the fear system at all i think

[wheat thistle]

For that fear skull maybe but I think you can buy them normally

[frosty grove]

You can buy one per night

Would take forever to get enough to max weapons, but it's absolutely possible

[hollow tartan]

nightmare? you can buy it from charons shop, broker, and if u are doing 8f+ (i think) you can collect it on final regions

[wheat thistle]

Yeahh that's the term thanks

for weapons upgrade

[uneven palm]

There’s also the Charon deliveries

With the tickets

[hollow tartan]

yeah but that takes ages 😭

[frosty grove]

True, I forget they're in there 'cause I only used it once

[hollow tartan]

what are the tickets even used for on the endgame, i have like 200 or something

[wheat thistle]

I think most of my Nightmares are from the tickets (I don't have everything maxed yet)

[frosty grove]

5 tickets for 2 nightmare after 100 minutes just is not worth to me personally my tickets went to moon dust

[hollow tartan]

not 100 minutes, 100 rooms

and theres a moondust incantation/brewing iirc

[frosty grove]

I still have ~6 fear thresholds to clear so... Dunno what the rest of these nightmares are going to but I guess I'll have a stockpile for 1.0

[hollow tartan]

only thing i have left to do in this game is finish the 4 aspects i havent done yet on 32f uw/surface runs and a few nectar gifts on gods

[uneven palm]

You need a ton of nightmare to unlock all the aspects, might as well use the tickets since you have to do runs to advance things anyway

[frosty grove]

excuse me 100 rooms. Either way for 2 nightmare I don't find it worth it. And the incantations cost resources I don't care to use and make way fewer moon dust than Charon does anyway

[uneven palm]

Like I dunno what to tell ya if you want everything unlocked it’s gonna be a grind somehow

[frosty grove]

I already have everything unlocked I'm just having a discussion here

[hollow tartan]

ive done basically everything there is to do, i hope those tickets have some kind of use on 1.0

[uneven palm]

I have like hundreds sitting around but I’m on night like 870 so 🤷 . At some point you’ve just got all the stuff

[hollow tartan]

true, we need some kind of title system like in hades 1 to dump resources cause at night 600 theres nothing to do

[frosty grove]

All I'm really doing now is the testaments of night and getting resources to unlock crossroad decorations. I have like.. three more? Prophecies to fulfill? Out of the ones that can be currently completed

[hollow tartan]

the one testament im never unlocking is the artemis hex boon cause theres no way in hell i would take that over the other crit boons 😭

[uneven palm]

It’s good on Skyfall

[frosty grove]

Missing a skull hammer, the Arcana one (which I should get this run since my crystal figure activated Judgement after Hecate) and Narcissus / Echo afaik

Artemis hex boon?

[hollow tartan]

i suppose it is, still not a big fan

[hollow tartan]

gives crit chance to your hex

[frosty grove]

Oh. Well I already fulfilled that prophecy so I took it at some point

I don't really care for art boons anyway. I'm sure Crit is strong but I find the mechanics to be "meh" at best

[hollow tartan]

ive had multiple chances to take it but i think i might someday

[frosty grove]

I take the arrow that fires on attack / special if she has it, otherwise I don't really care

Though i'm doing my 20 fear blades testament with Art aspect for... Some reason. Got bored of Pan and despised Morrigan so here we are

[hollow tartan]

i havent taken it in ages, mostly cause ive already done 32f with the aspects that really need it

[hollow tartan]

morrigan is amazing wdym

[frosty grove]

felt way too clunky to me

[uneven palm]

Lethal Snare/Killing Stroke/Shadow Pounce are all huge damage spikes on attack/special/omega heavy aspects. They're good.

[median anvil]

swag 💯

[frosty grove]

I def got through it but I'd constantly be standing for like, 3 seconds because my specials wouldn't charge

Not specials

Omegas

[hollow tartan]

because the omega specials are useless

you use the omega attack instead for the blood triad

[uneven palm]

The input buffering has been improved quite a bit if you were trying it when it first came available

[frosty grove]

Yeah but even my omega attack just refused to charge half the time

No this was like, 2-3 days ago

[hollow tartan]

morrigan charge on release was brutal

[hollow tartan]

pressure points is also amazing if you are running an olympian effects build

free raki essentially

[uneven palm]

stacks with Raki too

[frosty grove]

Yeah my Morrigan run was on the 29th lmao. I absolutely hated it

[hollow tartan]

morrigan is my only 50f clear cause its so good

[frosty grove]

Run was so bad Toula was one of my top damage sources

[uneven palm]

Do you know the fast Triad combos? Dash -> special -> attack (dash-strike) -> hold attack -> release

[hollow tartan]

wdym dash - special

[uneven palm]

You can launch a special while dashing, and buffer that into a dash-strike

[hollow tartan]

u can do that wtf?

[frosty grove]

Sure, I found a few good rhythms with it, the problem I keeps facing was my rhythm breaking because I'd go to charge my omega attack and Mel would just stand there doing nothing

[hollow tartan]

you need to dash and recharge if you are away from enemies

i also fail with the oatk sometimes cause i dont realize im too far from enemies

[frosty grove]

Mmm, probably was my issue

[uneven palm]

If you don't like Triads, just get Final Slice or Wicked Onslaught and do dash-strike -> attack. Morrigan's like almost without question the strongest Blades

(I say this as an Artemis fan)

[frosty grove]

Either way, I just don't like it. I use Pan most runs even though it's basically useless with how fast casts expire

[hollow tartan]

final slice helped to my time personal best lol. 7:02 (no artemis for skips sadly)

[hollow tartan]

didnt they nerf pan with the wave specials or am i hallucinating

[uneven palm]

it is very nerfed. you get on average 1 wave for 2 hits

[frosty grove]

No idea, I didn't really pay attention to patch notes before now

[uneven palm]

In EA they're kinda important they change a ton of stuff

[hollow tartan]

pan peaked on olympian update, helped my noob self to get my first prometheus clear 💀

[uneven palm]

It has fallen mightily, sadly

[wheat thistle]

I never saw the peak of pan sad- I saw the peak of Supay though when I first played the game

[frosty grove]

I mean, they're important if you really care about balance changes, not so much if you just grab and go like I do lmao

[frosty grove]

I just find something I like and brute force my way through it

[hollow tartan]

not a big fan of hel

[hollow tartan]

day 1 supay was moving like prime king von

[frosty grove]

I like hel but I can't use it until I get my last hammer upgrade for the prophecy

[median anvil]

peak pan was arguably the strongest aspect in the whole game

also what do yall expect going into 1.0, morrigan getting nerfed or base blades getting buffed?

[wheat thistle]

I was so new with my witch staff and saw my friend's gameplay with it tearing down enemies- I remember joking it was gonna get nerf and it actually did-

[hollow tartan]

arguable, day 1 supay was hilarious but pans run lasted way longer

[hollow tartan]

base blades are really sad (yes sad)

[uneven palm]

I have a huge list of blades changes I'd like but if they made old Hook Knives part of the O special basekit (like they did with regular special) that'd fix many, many problems

[hollow tartan]

they just feel useless

[hollow tartan]

also make pan not obsolete

[median anvil]

oh that's... that's a free 2x damage on ospecial

[hollow tartan]

pan is the only dagger ive left to clear 32f with and i dont even know what build to use. scorch and chain lightning maybe?

[uneven palm]

Yeah it'd probably take some balancing (power? cost?) but it'd open a huge number of build options for Pan, and give Mel/Artemis some interesting shotgun options for more build variety

I think the blades base moveset is one of the stronger ones, mostly because the regular special is one of the better base moves in the game

This is my island I will die on it

[hollow tartan]

what the daggers also need is ospecial charge speed imo

the ospecial is clunky, atleast on stuff like the axes you can dash while charging it and have some mobility

same goes for hel ospecial, really slow

[uneven palm]

Oh yeah lemme dash mid-O-special on blades, that'd be nice too

[hollow tartan]

is this sarcasm

[uneven palm]

no, I would actually like that

[median anvil]

no it'd actually be huge

[hollow tartan]

oh ok 😭

[median anvil]

especially on pan

[hollow tartan]

this is why my name is charon enthusiast fr

dashing right after charge is just so cool

[uneven palm]

Pan is just not nimble enough, between stuck-while-charging and stuck-while-shooting on the O specials. It's rough.

[hollow tartan]

old pan atleast had the massive numbers to make up for it being sluggish

[frosty grove]

Eyy, I managed 20f daggers

Probably my least favorite weapon in the game tbh

[violet verge]

yo does the server allow me to put here a medal link? i need help on how to defeat typhon on 32 fear without taking so much damage

i took 400 last run and i always die even with a good build because i take too much damage

[glass shell]

probably

[violet verge]

ok sure

https://medal.tv/games/hades-ii/clips/l18lMBsiMleASPwI4?invite=cr-MSxOcE4sMzk5NDExOTU4&v=250 thanks

i wanted to target something from hestia to get steam but the game ended up ofering an epic sworn strike, i just grabed it

[glass shell]

still watching but you didn't respect typhons mid phase like.... at all

He ALWAYS does tornados while chronos does time bubble otrbs around the map

you rushed in for damage for no reason eating so much damage from the tornados

150 hp off that alone basically

past that it honestly looks like my fights 99% of the time, ignore chronos cause he is a fraud and dps race the face

[olive sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/look-the-board-lesson-for-today-teacher-school-day-learning-gif-4191719195117255562
pronto be like:

[glass shell]

during babality you either didn't recognize the 2nd eyeball attack or just didn't respect it cause you didn't try to dodge it at all, but the pathing was kinda trash on the zone anyway

could've dodged toward chronos till the orbs are gone to avoid all the damage

reminder that the zone does not decay like the asphodel one

[violet verge]

yeah i fumbled that atack, i tried to dash though

[violet verge]

damn i learn something new everyday

[violet verge]

makes sense, i hate the tornados atack, its impossible to see the tornados apearing

but its obviusly my fault there lol

thanks for the help!

[glass shell]

ye like i said that phase ALWAYS start with him spawning tornados

i wait till all of them spawn then attack if the tornado RNG pathed away from his face

[violet verge]

so i should wait for the tornados to disapear?

[glass shell]

otherwise its tohou simulator yeah

[violet verge]

okok thanks!

[glass shell]

if the tornados spawn at his face and stay there i mean unless you are willing to eat the damage like you did

gotta play ranged

also lowkey i like distance during that phase anyway cause he will just do the laser which is easy af to dodge

then can go wild after

[violet verge]

yeah it is, i started playing with frenzy 2 recently and its honestly way easier than i expected to iframe atacks

honestly maybe even easier than frenzy 1

[glass shell]

i haven't played without frenzy in a long time, it felt so slow last time i did it i took more damage from base chronos cause i was dodging too early lmao

[violet verge]

yeah it happens to all of us

[tall notch]

Frenzy 0 regular Chronos literally feels like he's delaying attacks on purpose

[violet verge]

the titan of delay

[glass shell]

lowkey they should just randomize his attack pattenrs

speed up randomly slow down randomly

just mess us up

[tall notch]

Uhh no thanks, he's difficult enough on rivals frenzy 2

[glass shell]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[violet verge]

if that was the case he would be the type of boss to do a fourth instal kill atack (the starter atack from the second fase), put another freeze bubble in the middle and kill me (peak atack pattern rng)

not switching to dd though

[glass shell]

i refuse to use str now that its basically just worse for my playstyle, even without scars strength just loses so much flexibility and potential bailouts

[violet verge]

honestly since i switched to strengh i find the game easier but i understand what you're saying

honestly i only like playing aspect of circe and some other aspects so i dont have the best taste here lol

[glass shell]

i would agree pre unseen, but after it changed to 40% i can't see it. Old strength was basically infinite hp with healing but now its just not the same. I find myself getting too low sometimes and switched haven't looked back

[violet verge]

nice, honestly there are so much opinions on strenght and dd that its impossible to make the "best choice"

unless you're running full scars

[glass shell]

yeah its debatable back and forth, but general opinions have shifted toward DDs post nerf cause the math just isn't there with strength anymore ,especially with how prevalent dd restorations are

toula buffs are good too and pairs well with circe, though raki is generally better

[violet verge]

i always run raki with circe, i really like the crit on the casts

and i don't enjoy waking up toula during encounters even if it ends up being better

[glass shell]

so real

hopefully they remove that or adjust where she spawns for 1.0

[violet verge]

Yeah

[empty musk]

The strength/dd kinda depends on where you are in the game

DD Starts Out Better When New Players are More Likely to Get Hit by Instakills or Big Hits --> Strength Becomes Better Up to 50F Since Likely No Scars/Pain and Frees Up a Keepsake Use for Offensive Use --> As soon as scars and pain go on Strength isn't worth except maybe on Nergal up to 62F --> 65F Judgement runs so far take Strength 1st so DD will activate later after health depletion --> lol 67f

I do miss playing Strength tho just bc I find dd as a mechanic lame 😔

[spiral wadi]

i really hope they buff strength's dmg reward cuz 20% bonus dmg is not enough to reward dodging 🐀

[restive bolt]

any got any tips for charybis? the tentacles are fine but the projectiles on vow of pain are a genuine problem for me

i'm getting used to playing on pain 2 and i just cannot nohit that stupid thing

[empty musk]

Do you mean the projectiles from the tentacles phase 1 and 2 or the ones the main body shoots during the phase transition

[restive bolt]

main body during phase transition

[empty musk]

Go to top left corner of the arena and slowly walk down to the bottom right with projectiles trailing you, then dash thru once you're at the end

[restive bolt]

where in the top do you need to be for them to cluster up so you can dash through

[empty musk]

The back corner of where the arc ends, what matter most is how you leave

If you dash and start sprinting away too early the latter projectiles will change trajectory too much

[spiral wadi]

practically hug the bottom wall of the arc as ur walking (not sprinting), this should let the projectiles naturally explode on their own by the time u make it to the other end, and u can do either top to bottom or bottom to top

[restive bolt]

oh that's not as bad as i thought. thanks, i will give that a shot

[formal pulsar]

i am embarrased to ask, but is supay actually slower in its sprint motion or the gliding effect gives the illusion that it is slower?

[spiral wadi]

iirc the only aspect that should adjust sprint speed is mel coat

otherwise speed should be about the same

ig it could feel weighty since there's now constant spinny specials

[formal pulsar]

it feels weird because you are floating above ground.

[spiral wadi]

tru, tho that is also coat lol

[civic ocean]

Supay is not fast or slower than anything other than than mel coat

But you feel it because you are not doing anything else

[spiral wadi]

100% dodge supay when

[civic ocean]

Honestly this is what Excellence Nitro Sprint feels like

[spiral wadi]

i should just pivot to supay surface tbh

o wait eos and moros don't have surface 62s

[surreal hazel]

I've been experimenting a bit with how good Incandescent Aura actually is

and... it's never going to be the top scorer, but it's got this strange habit of always sitting in damage output position 3 or 4

[spiral wadi]

i think incandescent is in a pretty solid spot of being a solid supplement dps option, like steam

never gonna be ur big primary damage dealer but just enough to do a thing

[surreal hazel]

Also compliments fine line and controlled burn I feel

the main issue I have when running incandescent is trying to burn mana quickly enough to use it

(Cardio Gain does seem better than Born Gain for this, even though funni number go boom, it's often wasted since hitched enemies aren't going to be at full HP to need 1000 damage shoved into them)

Kinda wish it was the old AoE effect rather than hitched enemies, but also I disagree with myself, it's weird

[spiral wadi]

for me it just conceptually felt weird that i had to make sure i was near enemies while recovering magick

i like that it's now on hitched enemies so u have to remain mindful of proccing as many enemies as possible and let it do its thing

[surreal hazel]

they often tend to get killed by hitch first, which is the thing

buuuuuuut.... It gives Hitch significant value in boss fights

[spiral wadi]

let it kill em faster 🔥

[surreal hazel]

and giving hitch a purpose for single targets is something I quite like

[spiral wadi]

but yea i still rarely get it, ig it could work for me since i regularly prefer aphro gain on mel flames (since i don't use attack -> free special value), recovering 25 magick should give 125 incandescent value at base every time i use ospec

[surreal hazel]

Glamour gain isn't nearly big enough

[spiral wadi]

ye, it's def more geared towards actually having a magick hungry weapon, except i don't play flames magick hungry LOL

[surreal hazel]

And mana regen suffers badly against your need to burn mana quickly too

since it pauses the gain

Thinking Fine Line Moros torches is the place to be with it

[spiral wadi]

tranquil gain value,

[surreal hazel]

I tried it and.... ehhh

[spiral wadi]

does cardio gain not work if ur channeling omegas

[surreal hazel]

Cardio doesn't work on omega attacks, it'll proc on any normal special or attack, doesn't care if you're channelling

so torches have a nice rythm built in for spending and gaining mana

[spiral wadi]

right, what i mean is does it also get goobed and not recover magick until a bit after using omegas, or is it not affected

cuz i remember some1 mentioning that and i swear it's not like that but idk

[surreal hazel]

there's no regain cooldown applied to lump sum gains of any kind

only "X per second" style gains

[spiral wadi]

sick

[surreal hazel]

otherwise lucid gain Charon would just be a non-combo

[spiral wadi]

lmao that's a funny thought

[vague eagle]

It’s possible to destroy Rivals Eris’ glowing fireballs???

You learn something every day

[surreal hazel]

any damage from either you or eris

I think even things like smolder ring trying to apply scorch to it will do

basically when she's bombing stuff, leave your cast in your wake if it ticks damage somehow

[spiral wadi]

ye, ik one of my dumb opinions to make eris harder is to not let us poke the balls, which would reinforce her choke power, but at the same time i think it's prob better to let us poke em

[surreal hazel]

auto-targeting won't focus them, but projectile bounces will

[spiral wadi]

uhh i don't recall smolder ring working

[surreal hazel]

Storm ring won't target them

[spiral wadi]

will have to recheck but i think it's one of the few casts that won't poke

[surreal hazel]

maybe not then

I don't know if engagement ring does, but it's better to not find out

[median anvil]

if eris's balls are to become unpokeable, then also make her escape less so i can touch her healthbar more

[surreal hazel]

Make doing so stun Eris

blow up in her face

[wary ravine]

Hi, how do I dodge phase 3 scythe swing attack when running is not an option? Sometimes I am too close to him to outrun that attack

[spiral wadi]

tru

[spiral wadi]

is it when he chain dashes?

[wary ravine]

No it is when he throws his weapon.

Like he does in the first phase but with 3 of them

[median anvil]

dodge the initial scythe by dashing through it then walk slightly backwards

[spiral wadi]

ah the scythe boomerang, uhh i like to position myself to the middle, dash into the middle, then i think it's safe to either stand still and let the two other boomerangs go, or move a little in the opposite direction of ur dash

[surreal hazel]

I keep trying to get behind him for it and it doesn't go well

[spiral wadi]

i still move in the opposite direction, i just remember seeing a vid where they stand still

[surreal hazel]

the scissor boomerang is easily his most tricky attack to deal with, if you exclude the unreactable teleporting projectile issue

[median anvil]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxLL-9lLgo-Zw59_wlXVHfR7hlvUcmkgpd?si=VmJGKXHi4L70_y7D

[spiral wadi]

o yea i think that teleport one u just stand still

i think there's a specific spot where u can stand still relative to his orbs i just have no recollecton of it

[surreal hazel]

Basically dodge through the projectile but stay inside its path

[surreal hazel]

He teleports to a minimum distance away from you, but it's janky, I've feedbacked it and it got a lot of thumbs

it's definitely not a "fair" way to do damage since it's an emergent feature of his orbital projectiles locking to his position, but he insta teleports

not sure how best to fix it overall

[spiral wadi]

ah i see

[surreal hazel]

maybe the projectiles ought to detach from him if he teleports and orbit the last place he was?

[spiral wadi]

i could see him just not teleporting lol

he could move like he does in p2 when he wants to pull you in

[shy hearth]

planning on doing a Persephone run with a hephaestus boon, which explosion boon should I target

[median anvil]

attack

[shy hearth]

it hard caps at a 2 second cool down right?

[median anvil]

yes

[shy hearth]

sad

[violet verge]

it goes to 1 second if you get the duo boon

[shy hearth]

what other gods should I aim for

[median anvil]

1.47 seconds

[median anvil]

hestia and poseidon

[shy hearth]

the 35% thingy? yeah I got it last time

hestia for the chain reaction?
what should I put hestia on though, cast?

[median anvil]

special

so you spread big scorch with ospecial

[shy hearth]

gotcha

poseidon cast I presume?

[median anvil]

yes

[shy hearth]

thanksss

[rotund totem]

Master Conductor is actually really good

[modern nest]

Ive been told The Unseen is a bad arcana. But i like to spam omegas. Its basically infinite magic. How is that bad?

[sage flame]

gain boons existing tbh, it's bad because it's 5 grasp rather than it being mechanically terrible, it's a fine enough card

[median anvil]

you have to spend one sixth of your grasp for it. it's a massive opportunity cost. you're better off equipping other arcana then finding a gain boon in your run

it's less that unseen is bad and more that the other arcana are much much better

[uneven palm]

Yeah, an appropriate gain will stomp Unseen’s recovery, and gain boons are core so they’re hard not to get

[modern nest]

What are some other overrated or underrated Arcana? My build possibility has opened up now that I have collected all the duo boons. I won't have to worry about activating the Queen anymore.

[olive sphinx]

Excellence is overrated too. It's very weak for the 5 grasp it requires unfortunately

Origination is usually underrated by the beginners too. It's probably the best 5 grasp arcana

the reroll corner (the 4 arcanas at the bottom left) are very useful too, I have all of them on most of the time!

Furies is a MUST all the time too, I don't thiink you'd ever want to disable that one

it's also a good idea to activate Divinity too and people mostly use the first or second column to activate it, depending on whether or not you run Death

[modern nest]

I always debate between death and strength.

[olive sphinx]

I like how Aki described it here: #h2-builds-and-combat message

it depends on how confident you are in your abilities and how high fear you run!

the extra 20% damage is nice but it's also not really that big of a deal at all tbh

[modern nest]

I'm still working my way through 10-16ish. I'm starting with Rivals and Frenzy so that I get used to the new boss mechanics and frenzy speed early.

[olive sphinx]

oh wow, that's pretty hardcore

in that case I'd say do Death for now

[modern nest]

Well i figure i just rip off the bandaid

[olive sphinx]

might as well yeah!

you either turn on Frenzy 2 and never turn it off OR just never touch it at all period

[uneven palm]

Or run it for a while then turn it off and the game will feel easy all of a sudden

[olive sphinx]

lmaooo

[glass shell]

1.48 not 1

just the boon was never designed to show decimals so it rounds visually, but mechanically its 1.48

[modern nest]

Is there a consensus on best familiar for completing runs (ignoring resource bonuses)

[uneven palm]

They’re all useful tbh

[median anvil]

the best one highly depends on the build you're going for but usually you can just take whichever one you like the most

[uneven palm]

I can’t even mock Toula anymore she’s great now

[olive sphinx]

I like Toula and Hecuba the most probably

Hecuba's extra magick genuinely feels so amazing 🌈

[cerulean panther]

I feel like Mel could use a little more starting HP.

I'm locked in a pretty quantum way to Frinos.

[median anvil]

today noon i was watching foolish do some surface 67 attempts, a sword enemy in ephyra one shot him

[cerulean panther]

I think even 40 would be a big step-up.

[sage flame]

toula so awesome death has to be the way

[cerulean panther]

Doesn't need to be 50.

[elfin forge]

it should be 100 because all people have 100 hp, this is common sense 🙂

[cerulean panther]

Nuh uh, Kyurem has 125 HP.

Man, 60 base HP to hit 100 with Frinos or Persistence?

[olive sphinx]

regular people in real life have like 1 hp tbh....

[cerulean panther]

Rasputin had like 10,000, he skews the average.

[elfin forge]

nuh uh

[olive sphinx]

you swing at them with a sword ONCE and they're dead

[elfin forge]

but then a year would do like, 0.01 damage

and I hate decimals

[sage flame]

average 4 hp for a normal human probably