h2-builds-and-combat

[upper rapids]

I understood that reference

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1407153913765036133/clip.mp4?ex=68a511b4&is=68a3c034&hm=a83024bb85f3f5b6bf9e98ef9dca304a1ecdfb96f6eaa232cd23a2b54748f362& most normal room

[elfin forge]

I love armored wards

[civic ocean]

I think if I could remove one thing from the game it would be the wardstacking fangs

[empty musk]

This and frame 1 room entry sky dracons 😭

[spiral wadi]

i'd be fine if wardstacking was limited to specific big boy enemies similar to how other fangs are, just so it's not like 100 ward spammers

[analog ether]

You know that moment where you've basically got the build together, and you are just locked in?

It's nice.

[spiral wadi]

truth

[rich belfry]

whats the build with morrigan ? and does anyone knows the best combo with it to activate blood triad

[olive sphinx]

apollo attack is good because of the bigger range

[analog ether]

Generally I do OAttack -> Attack -> Special

[olive sphinx]

for the triad I've seen a few different ideas

what I do personally and what works great for me is: throw out a special -> dash-strike into channeling an o-attack

[analog ether]

The trickiest part tends to be actually landing the Special.

[olive sphinx]

see I like to combine attack and o-attack into one maneuver because it's more efficient because if you do o-attack first you are basically wasting a regular attack

so that's why i usually start with the special from a distance

then dash-strike into an enemy which lets me immediately transition into channeling the o-attack and finish off the triad

[uneven palm]

Fastest is dash, tap special, hold attack to dash-strike, release to Omega.

Also practical is hold attack to Omega, special, then dash-strike, holding attack to repeat if necessary.

[spiral wadi]

i just noticed rivals cerb's model changes from phase 1 to phase 2

[surreal hazel]

How so?

[spiral wadi]

his entire back of magma just disappears lmao

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773298528310001716/1407271136080691240/Screenshot_2025-08-19_at_12.52.29_AM.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773298528310001716/1407271136684937296/Screenshot_2025-08-19_at_12.52.55_AM.png

can't tell if this is a bug or not but tempted to report it cuz i like the magma design

[tall notch]

Isn't the idea that magma is his armor and it's stripped away in p2?

I always thought that's what it was

[spiral wadi]

the huh

[tall notch]

The red bit looks like armour

Or well red/orange

[spiral wadi]

gotta be fr i do not see the armor lmao, could just be me but if it was armor i feel like it'd be part of his wards thing

i could see a cool mechanic where each time cerb unburrowed, he'd be "magma-raged" similar to alecto, where u'd have to clear his wards and break the magma, or else he pulls out the crazy moves

then they'd bring back the falling magma that was cut in p11 (i am a masochist it'll be fine)

[surreal hazel]

He sheds a bunch of magma as Phase 1 ends

maybe it's that

[spiral wadi]

wait a minute ur right that slipped my mind

[tall notch]

It made sense to me 😭 dropping the armor would also explain why he's so much more mobile in p2

[spiral wadi]

yea but like, he still stands still in normal fight

[primal phoenix]

Hey, how would you build shiva ? I understand that you need a lot of mana regeneration to be able to switch between the two costly omegas, but are there optimal gods ?

[glass shell]

generally speaking apollo is the best option cause it increases the AOE of the omega attack so much its like a map wide on anything not a large variant

good for special too, since bigger aoe is nice

[primal phoenix]

Okay i'll give it a shot, thanks !

[surreal hazel]

also good for PUNCH

since shiva attacks are pretty good, and get a lot bigger with Nova Strike

[upper rapids]

i refuse to believe that the satyr miniboss in ephyra can be dodged

youre telling me a miniboss can

• block
• dash at you
• snipe you from across the map
• have unpredictable attack timing
• have homing projectiles
• and have tons of armor

[glass bone]

That boss is annoying yeah. I think the idea is to dodge the arrow attack with the pillar, then counter attack.

[upper rapids]

see i do try to dodge with the pillar

but they dash me instead lmao

like at least make the fight predictable

and also good luck not taking dmg if one does the snipe and the other sends the homing projectiles

[surreal hazel]

Break the pylon and make him face away from it

[kindred sonnet]

what's the current Meta for aspect of supay? I'm guessing Zeus special + some attack that inflicts status

[surreal hazel]

Zeus attack is also valid. Hera Special is also kinda disgusting

Nexus Rush is surprisingly good given the raw damage it inflicts and you can actually spend time using it

[rotund totem]

What build do you guys think has the highest DPS

[uneven palm]

Exceptional Talent Possessed Array

[surreal hazel]

There comes a point with extreme dps where more damage isn't as important as move speed and aoe for clearing encounters

Possessed array is so disgusting because of its hilarious AoE

[sage flame]

doesn't mel specifically mention something about cooling him off when he enters p2 with all the ward barriers

[spiral wadi]

maybe, i don't pay attention to dialogue much atm

[sage flame]

it's like during the battle so it's easy to miss too

[civic ocean]

We’re 62f runners, we can’t read

[spiral wadi]

true...

[digital juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[echo briar]

Posessed array with which aspect? Or does it not matter?

[uneven palm]

Doesn’t matter

[echo briar]

Cool I’ve been having problems with the skull so will give it a shot, thank you!

[toxic marsh]

can somebody tell me what toula does? just sits there in every encounter but when i dash through her she moves??

also does this game end up having an oath that changes boss fights like hades 1 did?

[spiral wadi]

yea u have to dash into toula, then she'll start attacking enemies (and she does a pretty good job of it too)

[glass shell]

if you run or dash over toula she activates

issue with her is that pets always spawn on a 1-2~ second delay after mel enters the room, at the door.

[spiral wadi]

she also gives u a bonus 80hp death defiance which is actually decent

[glass shell]

after activating her (Assuming max level) she attacks up to 10 times for 99 damage each, provides a 80 hp death defiance and fishes for you

[main beacon]

does anybody know the theoretical max hp

idk how frequently centaur hearts spawn or whatever but I’ve gotten above 700 with Hephaestus and Aphrodite shenanigans

[glass bone]

I feel like Sea Star would have to be used, have it trigger on everything possible, and you’d have to get like… Sea Star start, reroll for all double hearts in Ephyra, then go for Hephaestus and Aphrodite boons.

[toxic marsh]

thank you :) i think this was the issue for me, since i didnt notice this she would just sleep by the door and i would never have dashed on her. she's actually pretty useful now that i know!

[toxic marsh]

im a big silly dumb-dumb

[glass shell]

theoretical as in "how much does the game let you have"? afaik unlimited

theoretical as in best possible rng who knows

[toxic marsh]

oh nevermind i see the dd im stupid

[glass shell]

once you recruit all 3 starter pets you should unlock an incantation to upgrade them with more treats, upgrade 4 total times(across all pets) and you unlock the last 2 pets to recruit

you most likely have a toula with ..... i have no idea actually since they reworked her. Im gonna assume its 6/9/10 attacks and 60/70/80 hp dd

[toxic marsh]

okii thank you for your help :D

[glass shell]

just ask if you have more questions

for instance if you press B and scroll over to toula on your menu, you should be able to inspect her and see what she has unlocked and how to use it

or press whatever it is that opens up your current boon list if your controller

[main beacon]

bird up, i think ill just dedicate some time to healthmaxxing runs and if anyone wants they can compete with me lol

[spiral granite]

You don't need to upgrade. I only started upgrading after having all pets

[glass shell]

are you positive about that, because i checked a few weeks ago and the requirement was still spend 4 treats or something

[spiral granite]

Yeah, i started playing, like, 2 weeks ago?
I dunno if i bugged into getting then, but i got frinos, then Raki, then hecate's both, then toula

I only used the cookies to first bond with then

[glass shell]

then you absolutely got some massive bug cause that is not how its supposed to work at all im looking at it rn

Path = { "GameState", "LifetimeResourcesSpent", "FamiliarPoints" },
Comparison = ">=",
Value = 3,
This alone is the prereq to get a dialogue and you can't recruit hecuba and gale until you do this, which means you need toula

since the only 3 pets you can get before upgrading is toula frinos raki

and this code is to get the upgrades so you can't spend the 3rd without having toula

[spiral granite]

Yeah, Toula was actually last, and she only showed up at the Rift after i had all the others

I actually looked her up cause i never found her

[glass shell]

@ocean ibex can you double check this for me am i blind

or am i missing them commenting out the upgrade system as a prereq

[ocean ibex]

grrr

[glass shell]

don't grr me code slave

[ocean ibex]

in what

[glass shell]

the hecate dialogue prereq to get gale and hecuba

[ocean ibex]

what do you mean missing

[glass shell]

it still requires you to spend 4 upgrades yes

[ocean ibex]

it is commented out

[glass shell]

.

[ocean ibex]

i think you only need 2 upgrades

[glass shell]

im blind then

mb

[ocean ibex]

every time i play the little cat and mouse game of familiar unlock requirements i get mad

[glass shell]

this reminds me of when i missed them commenting out shades for gaia 😔

[spiral granite]

Mentioning requeriments, do you guy's know the requiriment to advance arachne relationship?

[ocean ibex]

they commented it out in unseen

[rocky kraken]

does rivals 4 surface boss just feel so much tankier than the original version? Not having the hp bar is super trippy tbh

[ocean ibex]

yes.......................

im fairly certain that typhon has the same hp in the regular fight, plus the 10k extra at the very end?

[rocky kraken]

does zeus actually do omega damage? and the groggy phase i suppose make it feel less tanky

[ocean ibex]

pretty sure zeus doesnt do damage

[glass shell]

hes the same hp, only difference is you don't get to skip to the 2nd egg phase via zeus

(assuming you can phase typhon in that downtime anyway)

[rocky kraken]

must be it honestly i swear rivals 4 shouldnt be that hard

[past salmon]

Somewhat surprising he actually has the same HP considering every other boss to my knowledge got a HP boost from rivals

[ocean ibex]

i mean technically technically he has 10k more hp

[glass shell]

i mean technically he has a completely separate 10k hp bar but he only has 2 really weak moves during that that.... literally can't damage you except for one point blank

and again, he "has" like 15k more hp cause no zeus stunlock

[ocean ibex]

its crazy that the hidden hp bar is literally HideHealthBar = true

[glass shell]

didn't people try to enable it and it didn't work

[ocean ibex]

no clue

[past salmon]

Omw to set that to false 🔥
Aw damn

[glass shell]

just froze at 100% or something iirc when someone tried

but idk maybe that was a bug and now its fixed in prep of 1.0 🔥

[ocean ibex]

yeah i think every other VoR boss has an HP boost

well, i think scylla and the sirens themselves dont

but there is obviously an entirely new participant

poly hp + 1800
eris hp + 2500
prom hp + 37000

hmmmmmmmmm

[glass shell]

https://tenor.com/view/bigbird-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-others-gif-11251276

[rocky kraken]

37k?

[ocean ibex]

(34k of it is heracles)

[formal pulsar]

Heracles hp

[glass shell]

herc hp bar + prom hp differential

[ocean ibex]

scylla gets..... +25200 i think

each individual tentacle has 2100 hp x 12

[formal pulsar]

Typhon is same hp right?

[ocean ibex]

chronos gets +2k, +2k, and +26k

[formal pulsar]

10k after babality

[ocean ibex]

sort of, the main fight and phases are the exact same hp thresholds and everything but the +10k extra phase

[glass shell]

entirely different hp bar to be specific

[surreal hazel]

the 10k extra health is kinda meaningless

it's just the extra phase of dodging that matters

[glass shell]

after he "Dies" he respawns with a new moveset and 10k hp full hp

or i guess phase changes like chronos if you wanna get specific

[ocean ibex]

same as chronos

[formal pulsar]

It is not really a phase more like let’s screw around so Demeter Lego is totally dogsh!t

Plus the dance in the circle bit

[glass shell]

technically does mean you can demeter leg twice

[surreal hazel]

in a way you can't on chronos

[formal pulsar]

Wait dem Lego works on unrivaled typhon before baby phase?

[surreal hazel]

gotta commit to the fakeout

[odd fulcrum]

Anyone know a good build for anubis staff?

[formal pulsar]

scorch, blitz, poseidon, hera attack are all good on the staff. with scorch being favorite of most people.

for me personally, my favorite anubis build is blitz on anubis attack with hestia cast and go for thermal dynamic and romantic spark duos

[odd fulcrum]

Sweet been trying to get a win with all aspects

Any recommendations for the special or is it just whatever

[formal pulsar]

depends if doing blitz attack then either hera or demeter. but if not doing it on the attack then blitz is best special imo

this was my win with this build, I had no special

#h2-victory-boasting message

[ocean ibex]

flame strike/thunder flourish/arctic ring + freezer burn and thermal dynamics is pretty strong

[odd fulcrum]

Alright then I will use this information and try and win

Thanks

[spiral wadi]

@tame vector anvil ring is affected by olympian damage rn

[civic ocean]

Have died to it on 50f attempts

[spiral wadi]

just dodge better smh smh

i wonder if it's consistent to dodge by going to one side of typhon in his face, then sidestep to the other when he fires

in theory it'll still bend but it'll be going in such an extreme direction that the split shouldn't matter

[civic ocean]

I have made it to that phase 3 more times on 50s

And it has never hit me again

[spiral wadi]

rad

[dry mirage]

how to charon 101

what cast do yall go with?

[glass bone]

Pick a cast that activates immediately (something like Solar or Engagement). Anvil Ring can also work

The main important boon to aim for with Charon is instead Lucid Gain

[uneven palm]

Cast, hold special, dash if you have to, kaboom. Lucid Gain from Apollo is very good. Get Origination up between cast, special, gusts. Any of the O cast goodies like Meat Grinder, Geyser Spout, Prominence Flare are your friends. Giga Cleaver is clearly the best hammer.

[formal pulsar]

For safety while still learning Charon nothing beats Arctic ring. And Demeter comes with local climate. So grab Apollo gain, Demeter and Poseidon for geyser spout. Everything else is kinda whatever you like/find but I think these 3 are the best Charon starter gods.

[civic ocean]

Charon builds I like:

-Apollo start and chase the legendary using Nova Flourish, Lucid Gain, and Prominence Flare/Super Nova

-Ares start and chase the duos with Apollo, Demeter, and Heph

-Experimenting with taking Night and using Hera for duos with Hestia and Poseidon

[random crane]

Air quality affects damage with per second effect too right? Like chain lighting and vortex

[empty musk]

Yes except Scorch (also pretty sure chain lightning is per bounce not second)

[surreal hazel]

Works great with demeter casts and gusts, prominence flare

[civic ocean]

I wonder if it works with hangover

[surreal hazel]

Common damage on hangover is 50 per tick

[empty musk]

AQ in H1 would’ve been crazy

[random crane]

Thanks

By the way does AQ also cause Hitch to also start with the minimum damage?

[surreal hazel]

Once. Weirdly

[random crane]

[surreal hazel]

Basically it doesn't

[ebon reef]

Hello I'm trying to do an omega boost only run. Which boons are the best to boost its damage? I assume Chaos' infusion works with it as well?

[kindred sonnet]

how are you supposed to play morrigan? attacks are multihitting so i was leaning towards pos/hesty attack, status special or cast, and then spam the attack on smaller targets and do the blood combo on larger targets

[willow phoenix]

Yes for chaos Chant. If you want to count omega boons like Fine Line and Cut Above then you can use that I guess. Other than that, probably just stack global damage buffs and channel speed

[ebon reef]

I'm trying to avoid Fine Line and the others but thank you! Does the Aphro/Demeter duo boost it as well?

[willow phoenix]

I don't think so but not sure, aphro dem duo is weapon damage only

[ebon reef]

Ah I see. Thanks for the info! I'll test it out since I'm getting shattitude anyway

[uneven palm]

If you wanna do plain attack, Hestia’s the play. Dash-strike and attack to jump to the final move in the combo, and you badly want Final Slice. Otherwise for Triads fast combo is dash, special, hold attack, release to Omega.

[random crane]

vow of ||rivals|| Eris... how do i deal with the ||orbs|| with !xinth ?

[formal pulsar]

Shoot your special in their direction. It should blow them up

Any damaging cast can also do the same

[glass shell]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

specials can theoretically blow them up, but they don't lock on or track them so you have to REALLY aim well, which on controller isn't really possible due to the auto aim

some stuff like ranged casts work though

wouldn't recommend casts in general cause if your in range to cast damage them you will 99% be in range to get hit by the explosion

[upper rapids]

only lost lovers to f2 unrivaled eris were getting there

[formal pulsar]

A cast only approach is to place your cast where eris put her first bomb and then circle around the arena. By the time she is finished that spot where she started firing should be safe since your cast blew it up.

[random crane]

Yes thats actually bad matchup especially when she shoot 6-8 Of them… hope it get rework or at least eris also get hurt by it as trade off

[glass shell]

this is the rework

one where shes forced to detonate them after.... i wanna say 6 are on the field

or attempt to detonate them anyway, with the sweeping attack

[random crane]

Sweeping attack?

I'll try with hammer to extend range or omega atk next run and see if that work

[glass shell]

eris's sweeping attack, not ours

[random crane]

I really dont use omega atk enough

[upper rapids]

do yall recognize scorch as a curse on any build that doenst have scorch as the main dmg dealer?

like say a supplemental scorch cast on a build, is scorch a good enough curse for origination?

because with how quickly it depletes if you dont reapply it i dont know if its that preferred

[formal pulsar]

Scorch on cast is perfectly fine for origination

[glass bone]

I mean there’s delays on freeze after applying. So scorch has a leg up on one of the best curses.

[spiral wadi]

since scorch cast gets buffed by cast/global/olympian modifiers it's not too hard to build it up atm

[formal pulsar]

It deals quite a bit of damage too because it’s bugged

[spiral wadi]

freeze still procs orig during cd, u just have to poke freeze during it

[glass bone]

Oh

[formal pulsar]

Thawed enemies are still freeze cursed for the purpose of origination

[upper rapids]

do those % buffs make more scorch stack on or does it make the scorch go by faster?
as in, do they work like highly flammable or pyro technique

ive never tried to notice how they work

[formal pulsar]

Only thing that makes scorch go faster is pyro

[upper rapids]

alrighty

[formal pulsar]

Everything else just increases damage without depleting more scorch

[spiral wadi]

i want to see a meta where pyro technique gets baked into scorch cast

or become a t2 cast boon

[civic ocean]

Yeah so basically with scorch you care about base power only to get to 100xPT% and then you don’t care about it anymore

[glass bone]

Hmmmm… Hestia Legendary doubles Pyro Technique attributes?

[civic ocean]

Hestia Legendary should just not require the cast only raaagh

[glass bone]

Fair.

[spiral wadi]

i want pyro to remain a t2 still so it's not abysmal

[civic ocean]

Oh have we discovered that pt is bad now

[spiral wadi]

no i mean abysmal to get mb

[civic ocean]

Oh is it hard to get

[spiral wadi]

hard to get if it becomes a legendary yea

[civic ocean]

Why is it a legendary now what

[spiral wadi]

e

i can't read LOL

[upper rapids]

also another question
do yall think the ways aphro and hera dashes apply curses should be swapped

aphro already has the zeus duo with sprints so thats a bit more thematically appropriate
and her boons focus on being close to enemies, so sprinting into them rather than dashing through
whereas hera really doesnt have anything that ties in with sprint

counterpoint i see is that maybe hera sprint would be too good afterwards with easy hitch appl

[glass bone]

No, I didn’t say Pyro Technique should become the legendary

[spiral wadi]

i can't read im an undertale fan

[glass bone]

I said that Hestia Legendary could essentially be Pyro Technique x2

[civic ocean]

No I think that Nexus Rush should probably stay the way it is now

Its kinda good on supay

But also hera is probably like THE mvp so idk

[upper rapids]

true didnt think of supay hera
i just thought of how aphro is used in supay with zeus and was like , just make her's be the sprint one

[civic ocean]

I wonder about aphro supay tbh

[upper rapids]

in general out of all the goods you mean , or supay specific?

gods*

[civic ocean]

In general Hera is like really really powerful and very useful almost regardless of what your build is

I think she’s the goat of high fear too

[upper rapids]

cuz with hitch and born gain and decent t2s i could see her as the strongest but idk about the duos

[formal pulsar]

I just hate that Hera rush has anti synergy with hereditary bane

[upper rapids]

hitch for high fear yea goated

[formal pulsar]

Lower the damage (a lot maybe) but make it work on contact

[civic ocean]

Also low key proper upbringing is kinda crazy

Ppl dont really think about it but the power increase you get from gray to blue is often on par with or even more powerful than Origination (Excellence analysis showed me this)

[upper rapids]

i dont actually know the stat boosts but is going from common to rare just about the same as a pom?

[formal pulsar]

Depends on the boon but that’s a good rough estimate

[upper rapids]

yea if people saw it as that then itd be regarded way more highly

[civic ocean]

Much of the stuff cant be pommed either

[formal pulsar]

Tho Poms have diminishing return and raising rarity is a way to have 2 level 1 Poms for the same boon if you think about it

[civic ocean]

But even if it was just like 6 poms thats like a lot of gold value

[upper rapids]

one teeny downside to proper up is no more phial tho
sometimes hitting a really big legendary on say hermes can really carry
but thats really specific

[formal pulsar]

I mean it is unlikely you activate proper in the first or second biome which is where you want to use phial

[upper rapids]

forgot the duo but one gives you 8 poms randomly across main boons, proper up lets you know what it hits and can go for even more depending on door luck and onion

[upper rapids]

true

[formal pulsar]

Issue I really have with proper is that it is very tough to squeeze it in with denial. Hera has so much good support boons that I find myself crossing out proper a lot

[upper rapids]

denial in general makes me use so many rolls just to not f myself up by locking out good boons

or wait is that forfeit

[formal pulsar]

Don’t do that. Just take the L on the boon choice and move on is my advice.

[upper rapids]

idk ive been doing a lot of hel recently ( over 20 losses in a row at 40ish fear cuz i suck ) and i feel like some room clear like static shock or even flash fry is necessary

[civic ocean]

Yeah its a good problem to have

At 40 what vows are making room clear gard

[upper rapids]

and i dont wanna give up something like static when offered alongside maybe thermal dynamics, flourish, double strike even

[civic ocean]

I think at 40 you are not meant to have any of forefit wards hordes or grit active

[upper rapids]

uhh i think i had wards max fangs sometimes servants can suck one grit and the guys from next biome

i dont do hordes because thats just boring as hades

[civic ocean]

I would try smth like this

[upper rapids]

is there a fear calcualtor i recall some website

[formal pulsar]

It is just sometimes you end up chasing the perfect build wasting rolls and getting screwed when you start needing these rolls for something like renewed faith or divine dash or hades boon

H2crossroad has a fear calculator

[upper rapids]

also let it be known i dont need to clear a specific fear , i just wanna test myself against what vows i find interesting

[civic ocean]

Oh okay

[upper rapids]

so maybe i could segment stuff and learn one bit at a time

[civic ocean]

Then yeah if you cant clear rooms you have to prio room clear

It sucks but you gotta do it

[upper rapids]

apparently googling h2crossroads suggests a holiday trip app first

[formal pulsar]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator

[upper rapids]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzMsMSwwLDYsMCwzLDAsNSwxLDEsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDIsMTJd something like this
sometimes wards on sometimes off

piecemeal not that scary but im just bad and need time to learn , more than the last few weeks
menace is basically meaningless
debt 1 is fine
scars 1 is fine
fangs is usually fine
forgot shadow servant but only on satyr its annoyign and typhon tail otherwise fine

honestly if i could follow the action during eris prom and typhon fights better i doubt id even complain cuz apart from the chaos in those fights any damage i take is 99% my fault

[upper rapids]

can happen yea, but as long as you leave 3 rolls for athena you should be good
so thats 7 rolls on doors or boons, plenty unless you have my luck and get 2 or 3 good boons bundled up that make the build

[civic ocean]

I guess my immediate thought is that Shadow and Hubris seem interesting to leave off

[upper rapids]

no yea shadow was my mistake i forgot it, its typcially on

hubris i might take 1 but since i was running hel a lot recently i need the magick for valk form and i did happen to prime out a good few times

[civic ocean]

Yeah you gotta grab a pot or two

[upper rapids]

if its not highly omega dependent then i take max hubris

[upper rapids]

id take hecuba but i like gale and raki
and theres medea's traces of spirit however i prefer rolling other doors to get the build going

[civic ocean]

No dont take hecuba I think just grab a pot occasionally

[upper rapids]

gale is so nice just because it slows down time a bit and lets me refocus on the action, i so often get lost

[civic ocean]

Or like glam or cardio

[upper rapids]

understandable, noted

[civic ocean]

I dont have that much experience with Hel but yeah

Kind of an interesting wep to me with Huntress Orig

But the base attack isnt very high power so

[upper rapids]

i actually looked up hel vids on ur channel but there wasnt anything lmao
boated has like 3 or maybe 4 but mostly underworld
haelian i cant bother to scroll through all his vids but also mainly underworld

[civic ocean]

Hel is part of the 12 I dont play sadly

[upper rapids]

12 for each god of olympus or what

also which are those im curious

[civic ocean]

Uhh I play Underworld runs on Circe, Pan, Mel Flames, Nergal, Persephone, and Mel Coat

Surface on Momus, Mel Blades, Supay, Charon, Mel Skull, Selene

Anything not in that list I have not played much at all

[upper rapids]

no medea or morrigan is quite interesting

circe mel flames nergal and perse work on surface too from my experience, is the high fear an issue?

[civic ocean]

No I just decided to practice it this way and am going to keep going until they have 62s

I find them fun

[upper rapids]

gotcha

[digital juniper]

is winner's circle on circe a pro gamer move?

zeus cast with geyser spout, looking for meat grinder next

[civic ocean]

Yeah for sure like anything that makes casts better is gonna cook when you get two casts right

Red and I don’t take it at high fear because manaless builds are just generally easier and stronger there but you can totally do it

[digital juniper]

its that i heard that WC isnt necessarily always good, i'd assume its more for furies uptime and builds that use the cast for support more than as a source of damage

[civic ocean]

I will say though WC does suck with Storm Ring so

Any duration based cast kinda booty with WC

[digital juniper]

why's that? i thought it just lets the bolts fire faster, so technically more burst?\

[civic ocean]

You want the one time poppers or anvil

It doesn’t make them faster no

[digital juniper]

oh, so im getting less bolts/cast, but assuming i keep the uptime its the same amount of bolts/s?

[spiral wadi]

ye, also helps u reposition cast quicker for fast moving enemies like eris

[upper rapids]

whats the typical attack sequence on mel staff
dash strike and then special?

or 2 attacks then special to not complete the attack pattern?

[uneven palm]

Yeah something along those lines. I do special dash-strike attacks and try to avoid the third bit of the attack combo

[upper rapids]

alrighty makes sense

[ocean ibex]

can you triple trigger blitz with romantic spark + arc flash + nyx sprint?

[civic ocean]

When u trigger it its gone

[ocean ibex]

which happens first?

[civic ocean]

You only have one apple you cant eat it more than once

[ocean ibex]

thats not really about my question

[civic ocean]

Yes it is you are asking if you can eat one apple three times

[ocean ibex]

sure if i was asking a different question that is what my question would be

[civic ocean]

You cant triple trigger blitz because blitz goes away when its triggered

[ocean ibex]

okay, so which one is triggered first

[civic ocean]

Whatever hits the enemy first probably

[ocean ibex]

which would be?

[civic ocean]

Depends on if they get hit by the dash or the nyx bomb

[ocean ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/742056287264833546/1407825960753168385/Untitled_design.png?ex=68a78399&is=68a63219&hm=d606f9d35ec6a658d2137d645b02a715532cc0a16fd80ce7435d6ce6f92660de&

[past salmon]

I think RS

I want to say it has more range than O-Boost

[civic ocean]

The bottom text isnt the answer to the top text lmao

Like no you cannot triple trigger blitz

[digital juniper]

could someone remind me what are the requirments to let Hecate allow you to get the rest of the familliars?

[upper rapids]

Which ones are you missing

Overall info tho is here
https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Animal_Familiars

[digital juniper]

thanks! i didn’t think about checking the wiki, surprisingly

turns out i just missed having raki pick up materials, and had done all the other prereqs

[upper rapids]

Funnily enough i did think it was that requirement but thought itd be better to send the whole webpage

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1407864779636215899/4FFB6EEF4A4A93AE.mp4

charybdis balls exploding after expiring is a bit much

[midnight nacelle]

The Keepsake "Blackened Fleece"
-After taking 250 dmg, ΩMoves deal +40% dmg

Isnt that by far the most useful to pick when in the last area ? What do you guys think?

[stable herald]

Bonus % damage is additive, not multiplicative, so boosts like this aren't as big as you'd think

It's not a bad pick if you're using a ton of omega moves, but I don't usually pick it

[midnight nacelle]

ohh? oh.. every % is additive?

[midnight nacelle]

what do you personally go for more?

[glass bone]

Depends on if you’re even using Omega Moves in the first place, and also if you’ve taken enough damage (which you often will, but won’t always). Knuckle Bones, Lucky Tooth, and Pin all add good damage in an indirect way with good defense for the bosses (and all regular encounters in Pin’s case), and White Antler would often deal more damage than Blackened Fleece provided you don’t mind the health reduction.

In terms of Final Keepsake, I’ll usually take either

• Knuckle Bones if I’m not speedrunning, and have most of my death defiances up / have strength
• Pin for 50+ Fear Rival Fights and already took Gorgon Amulet
• Gorgon Amulet for Renewed Faith if I didn’t take it in region 3 for refills at 50+ Fear

[stable herald]

I think the only bonus damage that isn't additive is critical hits, and the double damage from Grievous Blow/Mutual Destruction... which stacks multiplicatively with crits btw

I also like Knuckle Bones and Gorgon Amulet for the last region

Question, is the bonus damage from Glow multiplicative since it increases the target's incoming damage instead of boosting yours? What about Sweet Surrender from Aphrodite?

[odd atlas]

Idea: Aspect of Hel, Zeus Attack, build up attack speed and misc. damage (chain lightning, maybe even Artemis' support fire?) so that blitz procs all the time. Thoughts?

[cerulean panther]

Can someone point me to someone who knows what they're doing with Nyx? Preferably a YouTube channel?

[glass bone]

Well for one thing, Coldshade is right there.

And for another, Nyx has used either Scorch or Blitz Specials as what I presume is the main attack.

[formal pulsar]

Lion fang is just better than blackened fleece if you just want more dmg in the last region

It is global so it affects everything not just omega moves

And if you run to last boss directly you will still have around 25% dmg modifier

If you want defense you have teeth, Athena or pin keepsakes

And ofc the ultimate attack keepsake is Artemis which stomps other every damaging keepsake since it comes with effectively 60% multiplicative global dmg modifier that can be boosted by success rate and heraXdemeter duo

[civic ocean]

Also 40% just isn’t that high

You would have to have a really high power low % omega move for the 40% to be really good

Which aside from Geyser Spout isn’t really how it works

[upper rapids]

Could maybe work
But If you want blitz proccing easily, take the special to apply it it to a large group of enemies and ares attack with a focus on plasma for firing speed,or poseidon/hestia with pyro technique for quick damage

The issue isnt firing fast enough for blitz, because you can get that damage easily
Its that it takes time for the effect to trigger

At least thats been my experience w hel

[formal pulsar]

Blitz has an internal animation cd on the same enemy. I think I read it is 0.6s. You cannot trigger blitz on the same enemy shorter than that time delay.

[upper rapids]

Yea thats a better way to explain it

[drowsy kayak]

does anybody have any build tips for aspect of the morrigan? i'm trying out sixteen fearwith the daggers and i feel like morrigan is the most powerful but i don't know what boons work best with it

[uneven palm]

It kinda doesn’t matter? Aspect has a ton of damage built-in. Apollo attack and his legendary is one high-roll option. Hera attack also good. Hestia attack and Final Slice are good if you aren’t wanting to do Triads

[uneven palm]

It’s good. Nothing scales up like Blitz but it’s a way slower start than Poseidon or Hestia attack with Hel

[surreal hazel]

If anything you need to work around how sluggish and exposed it can feel when using it, to which end Demeter can come in handy

[woeful moth]

how many encounters there per region? Or rather what is the last encounter number in each region?

[surreal hazel]

depends on the region

[surreal hazel]

Let's see:

the pre-boss shops appear at:
Erebus room 10
Oceanus room 8
Fields is WEIRD and I'll come back to that
You know how Tartarus and Ephyra work
Room 7 for Thassaly
Room 9 for Olympus

[willow kraken]

is +% attack damage from a deadalus hammer additive or multiplicative with % damage from apollo attack?

[surreal hazel]

wait no, Fields is simple

it's 4 entire rooms, ignoring chaos rooms

[surreal hazel]

If it's +% damage, it always adds

Only exceptions are crits and ares minicrits

It's why the power modifiers on hammers are often a strong choice

[civic pebble]

Guys I'm not sure how to dodge cronos triple scythe attack ?

[digital juniper]

the only weird part is the pattern you get, right?

as in if you get a 3 reward tree or a 2 reward tree, miniboss or not etc

[surreal hazel]

And Echo cannot appear before the miniboss

[past salmon]

this info isnt actually very helpful in game
the chambers numbers in game for endshops are different and kinda the number people are actually looking at usually tbf

Erebus is C12 for endshop and Oceanus is C23. Fields is uhhh idk C31 I think tart is yeh ya know
idk surface I think Thessaly is C25 or C26 if u take no extra rooms in Ephyra

[surreal hazel]

basically, if you're looking to maximise the number of room rewards, stay away from minibosses and echo

[past salmon]

and then Olympus is like 39??? I wanna say

[digital juniper]

but then arguably echo and miniboss provides more value than more room rewards, right?

[surreal hazel]

sometimes, and they're great when you're on a timer

[surreal hazel]

Hrm, in Tartarus a randm number between 3 and 6 is rolled at the start that determines how many siderooms you can get at most

[uneven palm]

If you’re feeling exposed with Morrigan (don’t blame you) I like doing Omega attack from a distance, spec, dash-strike, repeat for triads instead of the “fast” combo. Puts the slowest part at a distance and you can cast to keep things off you

[surreal hazel]

mmm, that's what I end up doing, or similar

or trying to work more at arm's length because those blades have reach

feels like the aspect that is most distinct from its base form than the other weapons

and it still gets Apollo's huge 40% size bonus for the daggers, damn

huh... Apollo doesn't make Hel's attack any bigger at all, it gives it.... 0.1 seconds of penetration after hitting a target

weird, but I guess since it doesn't have any AoE

[pastel obsidian]

Hey people, any tips on Unrivaled Cerberus and Unrivaled Chronos? Also I dunno how many spoiler tags are needed for this discussion

[random crane]

is there a way to dodge the 3x morph balls from hecate? ive only been successful once

[olive sphinx]

yep! It requires a bit more precision but it is still possible
you gotta get into the rhythm where you dodge through them and then run away from them for a bit right before they're about to hit you and then you dodge through them again and repeat that process

at least that's what I do and it seems to work

[surreal hazel]

No need to spoiler in this channel

and for Cerberus, stop punching him when he has his guard up

[pastel obsidian]

I tried the cheesiest Impervious hex spam and still took 2 death defiances, even dodging is troublesome for me. Cerberus has very little downtime too, right?

[surreal hazel]

He counters with fireballs if he blocks

And after doing it. He always slams with his left hand, then backsweeps with his right

[glass bone]

Ok, Chronos Tips:
Phase 1:

• If you are struggling with Phase 1 Time (or damage), Deep Dissent is typically your best boon from Hades. Unseen Ire is also really good here and for other phases, but it’s not as strong in Phase 1 than Deep Dissent because Deep Dissent removes the minibosses in the phase changes.
• Chronos’s swipes will typically create more time rift waves. Like for example, the dash will create 2 further apart than 1 straight line.
• In the 3 hit combo in Phase 1, or for his next attack, he may do a Scythe Slam attack as the last hit / next attack, and then pull the scythe back for another time rift. You’ll want to get used to this, because he will do this new move in EVERY single phase.
• This also applies to Phase 2 (since he can now use the pull and throw attack), but Chronos now fires two, so you have to attack him either in the exact center or the side and continually move.
  Phase 2:
• Remember that he starts Phase 2 with 3 Instakills. Don’t be fooled by the time bubble, and shoot from afar unless you are absolutely certain you can phase him like a speedrunner.
• Whenever he charges his scythe, he will either do a gigantic scythe attack, or a 3 hit combo.
• Do note that you cannot wait out the Big Instakill attack like the small one, since that has clock hands going across the whole safe zone.
  Phase 3:
• Before anything else is discussed in Phase 3, remember that you don’t have to stand on the mini platforms. That may be confusing to newcomers, but Phase 3 is one of the largest (if not the largest) combat arenas in the game.
• Chronos will immediately start with a series of 12 Lasers. He does telegraph where he will go next to fire a laser, so the options are either to dodge the lasers essentially in a circular movement pattern across the arena, or try to hit him from afar and still dodge.
• If you ever see the pull attack, be careful, because when you get close, he will instead do the slam attack from Phases 1 and 2.

[tall notch]

I'm still learning Chronos, but for Cerb stay close distance and iframe his hits. Works best from what I've seen

[glass bone]

This isn’t a full comprehensive guide covering every move (because Discord has a word limit), but I think this is some good advice to start.

Actually, one more thing. Phase 3 essentially has a pattern. The lasers, the clone attack fury, and a few others demand you wait for Chronos and run. Attacks such as the time bubble, the pull and slam attack, and a few others demand you get damage in for Timer.

You will have to find points where it is Chronos’s turn to strike and for you to dodge, and other points where it’s your turn to strike.

[pastel obsidian]

Aight, makes sense! That is really comprehensive, thanks a lot!

[glass bone]

I will admit though, I too need to learn UR Chronos more. It is a mess of a fight, and I’ve consistently lost 2 Renewed Faith defiances or more per battle at 50 Fear, but I’m getting better since my first ever 50 clear lost 4

But compared to UR Typhon and even UR Prom, it is at-least consistent. It’s not a spam of attacks like Typhon, and not constant pressure like Prom.

(If you couldn’t tell, I have bias for UW and against Surface…)

Oh wait. @pastel obsidian I completely forgot about one of the more annoying attacks. The triple scythe in Phase 3.

For that, I believe the Strat is to either dodge towards one of the scythes (typically the middle one), or just completely run away from him.

[blissful niche]

Heyho, so first time I'm actually having thoughts about a kind of build or way to play - and the one thing that I really dont like in H2 is that every combat style is trying to mix your attacks, "if you attack - get your special buffed" or "if you use your special, your cast gets cooler"
I really like to focus on ONE thing, let me grab a weapon and completely focus on pure main attack
SO - is there a best way or a best weapon to do this?
thx

[night lotus]

32 fear is actually easy

[uneven palm]

Uhh maybe Artemis Omega attack spam? Honestly that’s kinda it. Most aspects sorta encourage using your entire kit in some way.

[ocean ibex]

axe

[uneven palm]

Oh yeah dashing heave Mel Axe. But I’d still tap special there haha

[glass shell]

the majority of weapons don't do this though, so im not really sure of the issue

[ocean ibex]

medea ✅

shiva ✅

momus ✅

eos ✅

morrigan ✅

moros ✅

[glass shell]

like even as a base weapon level, so no aspects in contention all weapons are basically one weapon builds.
Optimally you'd be weaving in specials while attacking with staff but i played staff mashing m1 for the majority of its life.
Blades benefits from its special for ranged but agian just mash m1 and your fine.
Torch again, fine line magick dump is meta for a reason.
Axe unga bunga is love and life - special does not exist unless you have charon.
skull is actually one that wants both since you use special to reload, even if its not primarily combat reasons you do use it.
coat again, dash attack spam or just mash m1 or omega special. Not really both.

there are specifics that do both like ry has mentioned above, but the vast majority of weapons can be played one button for like 90% efficiency.

[uneven palm]

Yeah but this is also why a lot of people go “x aspect damage sucks” and the answer to their problem is “hit more buttons”

[glass bone]

Hey, I just had an idea for a Mel Staff thumbnail

https://tenor.com/view/pyro-tf2pyro-pyro-tf2-team-fortress2-tf2-gif-23095397

Ok I couldn’t find it, but so many people joke and say Pyro is “W + M1”

[civic ocean]

Mel flames just hold down attack

[uneven palm]

You can do that if you wanna miss out on a buncha damage from O specials

[last cape]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1408130672656253008/2025081.JPG?ex=68a89f62&is=68a74de2&hm=ca3add192bc9fdf86034a7c14151f8bcaa56742369aed9f36fa19674898c061b&

Unironically picked aphro attack on supay here

And it got on the board despite me not picking it up until tartarus

It has build variety just get 34 extra power

It was also still mostly chain lightning and hestia lmao

[tall notch]

most mel aspects

[upper rapids]

without grit and hordes, how fast is ephyra on average for yall?

[feral mirage]

out of curiosity, for the selene duo boons, can i switch the keepsake after i’ve selected the boon with the specific icon or do i need to wait to unlock it? i already have the keepsake necessary for the aphrodite one so i can’t switch back to it later

[upper rapids]

ymean the godsent hexes/

[feral mirage]

yes!

[upper rapids]

im pretty sure as long as u have the god in ur pool the godsent can appear

[glass bone]

You can’t switch what hex you choose, but you don’t need to have a boon / keepsake from the god immediately when you pick up the hex.

[feral mirage]

you need the boon+keepsake for the hexes

[glass bone]

Well you need a Boon OR the keepsake

[upper rapids]

nope

[glass bone]

Oh wait, I see what you mean now.

[feral mirage]

i have the hex, boon, and keepsake already i just haven’t unlocked it yet

am i able to switch to selene’s keepsake or do i need to wait?

[upper rapids]

you can get a boon before hex and it has the option to offer godsent

you can get a boon after hex and it has the option to offer the godsent (node)

[glass bone]

Oh wait, maybe you haven’t unlocked the condition to get Godsent hexes yet.

[upper rapids]

ooh

[glass bone]

Originally I thought the question was “If I switch off of the god keepsake and don’t get a boon from the god, nor do I get the keepsake, can the hex still be Godsent?” (I.e. Zeus Keepsake Region 1, I don’t get a boon from Zeus, then I switch off the keepsake and get Twilight Curse Region 2, does that give a Godsent).

To this question I think the answer immediately on pickup is no, but can be yes if you get a Zeus boon afterward.

But to your actual question, I believed you still need to unlock the Godsent hexes, because they changed it to be later I think in Patch 10 or 11.

[feral mirage]

okay so i just need to pray i get selene boons and keep aphrodite’s keepsake till i’ve unlocked her hex in the tree

[glass bone]

No

If you have a boon from Aphrodite, and have the corresponding hex (Dark Side), then you should have the Godsent.

If you don’t have Dark Side, you don’t get a Godsent from Aphrodite.
And if you do have Dark side, you haven’t yet unlocked the godsents.

[feral mirage]

i have dark side, rapture ring, and the mirror

[glass bone]

Did you see an icon for the hex when you clicked it?

Like a golden symbol next to it

Actually, better idea. Click on the hex boon itself and see if it pops up

[feral mirage]

i did see it when i picked it

[glass bone]

So you saw the Godsent?

[feral mirage]

yes

[glass bone]

Great. You can take the mirror keepsake off / switch it

[feral mirage]

okay perfect! thank you so much!

[glass bone]

Sorry, I wasn’t sure all the specifics.

[upper rapids]

you can also click B or controller equivalent to see ur boons then hover the hex and press I to inspect, see if the godsent appears as a node
if it does, all's good and working properly and yea the keepsake can be taken off

[glass bone]

Like the specifics of godsents is that you have to have the hex, and the corresponding god boon / keepsake at some point.

[feral mirage]

i just wasn’t sure if i was able to remove before unlocking it in selene’s tree

[surreal hazel]

Once it's in the tree, it's there for that run

[digital juniper]

what would you guys suggest as a progression path for fear?

end goal is to go into the higher fears so frenzy will be applied sooner than later, just not sure which way to go about it

[olive sphinx]

do not turn on grit or void until you literally have no other choice, hordes is iffy too. pain is among the harder ones too.

otherwise pick and choose whichever you like the most!

[glass bone]

Menace, Denial, Hubris, and Timer 2 are generally the 4 ‘easiest’. In regards to what to choose next, I’d say it depends on how far you want to go.

[digital juniper]

oh trust me i’ll do 62f (if i ever get there) before turning on Void!

[glass bone]

If it’s 32, most anything save for Scars 3, and avoid are fine.

If it’s 62 however… then the hardest vows to adjust to probably are Rivals, Forfeit, and Scars 3 (Scars 1 is barely noticeable, and 2 is manageable), so you may want to turn on those for practice.

Also, though it’s not easy, especially with the rival fights, turning on Frenzy 2 and Fangs 2 is generally a good idea for practice

[upper rapids]

debt is also free

[glass bone]

True, but I hear that debt in Surface can be a pain starting out.

Like by 40-50 fear you won’t care. But going for 32/24 Surface… it could be a challenge

[digital juniper]

yeah Timer 2 is currently free for me, i average 16 minutes on 0f, so a lot of wiggle room with Timer 2
Menace seems rather free, except maybe in Fields/Olympus
Denial early might be a great move, would force me to adjust my build planning and adapting early
Hubris definitely one of the easier ones id say

thanks for the advice!

would you suggest i get used to these, and then i implement frenzy 1 then 2?

[glass bone]

I’d say the only reason to not do immediate Frenzy 2 is to get used to the Rivals Fights

[upper rapids]

shadow can be pretty easy too and in the case of shadowspiller in underworld it even makes the fight faster

[glass bone]

Chronos, Typhon, and Prom in my opinion are the roughest to adjust to on their own. The rest can be troublesome, but for various different reasons.

[upper rapids]

wards depends on what weapons you run and if you get easy crowd damage like static shock

[digital juniper]

oh yeah, i forgot to count for rivals practice

maybe i go 0f besides rivals to get used to it, and then implement it with the others?

[glass bone]

• Hecate and Eris can cause issues with the Timer
• Polyphemus and Cerberus deal huge chunks of damage if you get hit
• And Scylla is a mass amount of spammy projectiles.

[upper rapids]

i wonder if something like frenzy 2 rivals 0 into frenzy 1 rivals 1 2 3 4 would be appropriate
easy bosses to adapt to frenzy 2
then deescalate to learn the patterns and make it easier to get to them since its hard to train versus rivals with the chaos runs not featuring them

[digital juniper]

as of currently, i enjoy than axe and medea skull the most, medea less of a fan for wards but than handles them relatively okay, but nothing like what flames or blades id say

[upper rapids]

basically learning frenzy 2 versus normal enemies
then learn rivals
then frenzy 2 rivals

but idk

[glass bone]

Up to you I’d say. I did all of the Rivals fights with Frenzy 2 on my first try (save for Typhon, which I have done the least out of every rivals fight)

Though Chronos was kind of just a damage race…

[digital juniper]

i’ll need to check in game, but is rivals 2 feasible for 32f? or would i make it too hard to compensate to get there without the fear from rivals 3?

[upper rapids]

funnily enough chronos was much easier than typhon for me since you have so much space to follow the action

[digital juniper]

call it race against time huh?

I’ll see myself out

[glass bone]

Yeah, I’d say Rivals 2 is generally safe.

Cerberus is easier than Prom imo, so you could also add Rival 3.

[upper rapids]

youve timer 2 right?

[glass bone]

But opinions vary on that, so take my UW bias with a grain of salt.

Oh yeah… Hecate and Eris. They suck with Timer 3 at times.

[digital juniper]

yes, on 0f i average 16 minutes, so room to factor in those is there as of currently

[digital juniper]

yeah for cerby i just need to get my movement on point it seems, ive seen the rivals fight a bit

[upper rapids]

hecate is ok with timer 2
poly can seem annoying but u learn the patterns
scylla can be iffy , a bullet hell, but without frenzy 2 should be manageable
eris is my most hated boss currently so im HEAVILY biased but without frenzy you can learn her pretty quickly ( as long as she doesnt hide in the goddamn fire )

[glass bone]

Who would have thought that Eris, goddess of Strife, would be an annoying piece of work?

Poly honestly is the easiest Rival Fight in my opinion.

Eris varies in her difficulty, and the rest are clear step ups

[digital juniper]

cerb goes from free to “lose 70% of your health in 2 seconds”

[upper rapids]

its demoralizing moreso than annoying
i can learn to fight her when she's in the safe space but if she goes into the flames and snipes from afar or spawns in during the bomb smoke and dashes at me then thats just really unfun

[glass bone]

Now there’s one more thing of note; in the Underworld, it’s a lot harder to get a build setup quickly. But in the Surface, the enemies are generally harder.

People at 32 will typically then use Artificer in Underworld, and Lovers on Surface.

Though at 62, I’ve seen Lovers in Underworld

[digital juniper]

yeah i noticed you either leave Erebus with 75% of your build done or have like 3 boons total

[digital juniper]

that’s a massive difference from me right now while i work towards higher fears, and 62f

[glass bone]

Actually, I keep thinking of more things. What’s the weapon(s) you plan to push for?

Is it just all weapons to x Fear? Or is it a few favorites?

[digital juniper]

medea and than axe are my favourite to play right now

once i “git gud” i might push other weapons

circe is fun but i’m not as good with it for some reason

[glass bone]

What combo do you go for with Circe?

Since the Cast AND the familiar matter greatly.

[upper rapids]

i feel like wards should be easy on that right?
medea benefits from static shock and already likes to have blitz so zeus in the pool
than has the whirlwind

[wispy perch]

what familiars are best?

[digital juniper]

going with toula since she sticks to the enemies, and usually zeus cast

[glass bone]

I’d say Toula for bias, but Raki may be better for the damage aspect

[glass bone]

Yeah that’s the typically build I go for.

[upper rapids]

running toula storm ring literally right now

[glass bone]

Toula, Storm Ring, Lightning Lance, Double Strike, into support boons like Nitro Boost, Dem Attack, Melting Swipe, etc.

[digital juniper]

I haven’t used Raki at all yet, i usually go frinos for the HP or Toula for the DD while i get better

[glass bone]

They are still viable at 62 though

Frinos is fantastic for the hex in Rival Hecate (because it’s so much worse with Rivals + Frenzy 2),
And Toula’s added Death Defiance can lead to 4 Renewed Faith defiances with Gorgon Amulet (or 5 if you get that boon and Circe’s familiar enhancement)

[digital juniper]

Yeah i think a general thing right now is get better at this game in general. Got lots of room to improve

[glass bone]

Yep. Let us know if you need help with a specific fight / weapon.

[upper rapids]

if ive a kiss of styx on delivery from hermes and buy another do i still get it whilst only having 1 missing dd?

or do i just experiment

[digital juniper]

i’d assume you get it but it won’t do anything?

[upper rapids]

we are about to find out lmao

[civic ocean]

You cannot pick up a death defiance restoration when you do not have a slot to be restored

[upper rapids]

yep it just spawns but doesnt get picked up

ill leave it there for the next match lmao

[uneven palm]

If you’re doing Rivals fights I wouldn’t swap lovers for Artificer either route. (But I just like never use Artificer at this point)

[civic ocean]

Yeah its pretty hard to fit artificer I think

Good for some stuff like the hammer trick and some early game value but idk, Lovers is crazy on Rivals

[uneven palm]

Yeah, no control whatsoever over what you get is kinda meh

[civic ocean]

Some but its arcane knowledge and not that impactful

[uneven palm]

Mostly it’s “please gimme a boon” and you get a magick pot

[civic ocean]

Yeah I think it can be more than that but it’s a huge hassle to game the rng

I wish they brought back the Poseidon trick

[glass bone]

What if Artificer said “You can turn 2 Minor Rewards in the next 1/2/3/4” Regions into Major Rewards”?

And yes I know it wouldn’t really work with Region 4, but I don’t think it would be balanced if it was just boosted to be 1/2/3 minor rewards boosted per region

Actually, I can see a few different buffs

• You can turn 2 Minor Rewards in the next 1/2/3/4 Regions into Major Rewards
• You can turn 2/3/4/5 Minor Rewards into Major Rewards
• You can turn 1/2/3/4 Minor Rewards into Boons.

[spiral wadi]

that would shut down the "being conscious of what you artificier" and just become a "do it whenever u want to"

also i'm pretty sure there's literally no minor reward in summit

(tho there should... gimme that 1000 psyche room)

[cerulean panther]

There are no minor rewards on the Summit, two miniboss rooms and the shop.

[civic ocean]

It would be better if it was 6 instead of 3 yes

[uneven palm]

Remember when it used to cost 6?

fun times

[glass bone]

What I meant is if it’s ‘balanced’

[spiral wadi]

it what

[civic ocean]

I do actually what a fun time

Wait was it 6 or 5

[uneven palm]

Patch 1 I think it was 6 grasp

[civic ocean]

Well idk about balance I think trying to “balance” a game as heavily dependent on mechanical skill like this one is sort of a fool’s errand

I can tell you it would be stronger, roughly twice as strong as it is now! I don’t know if that makes it worth taking over Enchantress Lovers or Queen+a 5 that is sort of up to the player themselves

[spiral wadi]

rivals are hard i'd rather still take lovers,,

ideally u'd have a good enough build by third region to where u don't need to artificier

[glass bone]

But how strong of a build would it have to be for Scylla and Hecate?

[spiral wadi]

enough to kill them before timer

[glass bone]

That’s what I’m thinking with Artificer. That everybody says that Erebus at 62 is rough, and Artificer can mitigate it.

[spiral wadi]

which is why i think it'd be a meaningless change cuz u already have 3 charges for the entire night

[civic ocean]

Having it always on for third biome would mean you would do the hammer trick

[glass bone]

Well, Erebus with Onion, Denial, and Debt

[civic ocean]

Erebus isn’t hard because of your strength though it’s hard because it has by far the largest spread of enemy types and room sizes as well as a ton of random skips

[spiral wadi]

i sure do love getting one of the biggest rooms in the game and it's spindle spam so u have to chase them around, only to activate the 2nd wave with even more spread out spindles

[civic ocean]

Erebus can just decide to put you in a room full of Hippos Caskets and Spindles that is also the size of a fields room

[spiral wadi]

mel flames are fun but god are they ass LOL

east ur right spamming attack is better than using specials

[civic ocean]

If u think im right smth went horribly wrong

[glass bone]

Or maybe it went horribly right?

[spiral wadi]

like at the minimum ospec too, but it's still ass LOL

cuz atp it's just moros but worse

[civic ocean]

Idk I haven’t really grinded it im stuck on Nergal atm

Having to learn to actually fight the bosses and midbosses properly and not just damage trade with them and hope the build works is

Tough lol

[spiral wadi]

true,,

i only managed to beat scylla pain 3 on my torch save once so far

[glass bone]

At what fear? 62 I assume?

[civic ocean]

Encouragingly even the games best players look like absolute goofuses fighting bosses with Nergal at 62

[spiral wadi]

pain 3, i think hordes was off so i could reach em easier

btw it's atrocious i turned off hordes and i still get around a 1:00~1:30 range to hecate

[spiral wadi]

just hope for no charybdis spotlight ez

[glass bone]

What’s the ranking of those in difficulty at Rivals?

[civic ocean]

I think what u do is just start hestia and hope you get blitz special and then just run around tagging stuff

[spiral wadi]

uhh atp i'm kind of just mix-matching cuz i've tried hestia, zeus, aphro, apollo, etc and they all cannot help me get out of erebus/oceanus

hera is good for room clears but she can't carry me thru a boss

blitz is horrendous to proc on flames

aphro/apollo spec needs the +1 spec hammer or it doesn't do anything substantial

[glass bone]

Ok, dumb idea. Hephaestus on the attack type not being spammed

[civic ocean]

Oh idk flames I think maybe you have to go like Hera start or smth

[glass bone]

I.e. Special Spam has Heph attack, or vice versa

[spiral wadi]

ah i misread lol

[spiral wadi]

what's the plan for cerb

hestia cast aphro weak infinite scorch pyro technique

just don't use the aspect

[glass bone]

I shall do it anyway. Once I get back to playing Hades 2 and get my 62 fear clear with Circe

[spiral wadi]

real

i think i might try 62f flames a bit more before i try moros and see how different it gets

[glass bone]

I’ve heard Mel Flames 62 was done by someone. I don’t know who though.

[spiral wadi]

the only 62f mel flame clear is on surface thru patch 9 to 11

there is no uw mel flame clear 62f

ig i can watch how they play flames

[glass bone]

Hmmm… well I do like Underworld more… I’ve said it before, and I know East doesn’t care for it, but after I get Circe done, I want to do Underworld 62s that no one else have recorded.

E.g. Mel Axe. Or Mel Flames I guess

[civic ocean]

I think Cerb you can do with Blitz and Scorch as well its like one of the ways

My vision rn is big attack + psychic, zeus special, hestia cast, and some sort of decent gain like Glam

So I think the way you scale to chronos is like psychic whirlwind, burning desire + pt or thermal dynamics

I had 0 of those against cerb and it was a 350 damage taken scenario

Like no blitz at all

[spiral wadi]

LOL they don't use special either

[civic ocean]

What do they take hera

[spiral wadi]

blitz atk demeter cast hera magick, nothing else on core

[civic ocean]

Yeah that seems good too

Heph probably works on special too for axe

If you roll a good one

[spiral wadi]

prob

[spiral wadi]

sounds fun, we conquer

[glass bone]

Just hope that Foolish doesn’t get there first

[civic ocean]

Just assume someone else already did it

[spiral wadi]

i'll ask foolish to do 62f torch so i can copy them

[civic ocean]

He did 65 eos right

[spiral wadi]

ye i imagine daybreaker is prob stronger than 10% crit chance

[civic ocean]

Could be

[spiral wadi]

huh, no artemis clear beyond 47f in p11 and 52f in p9-10

also no 62f for normal blades

[glass bone]

I’ve been wanting to do that Circe run for a while, but I’ve been stuck trying to figure out how to fix that old Supay file for a week now

Might just forget about the background recording / delete the good run, delete some old stuff to get the recording to function naturally, and probably get the 62 soon after (also plan now to just jump straight into 62 instead of a slow buildup).

[uneven palm]

My record stands! (They’re extremely beatable)

[spiral wadi]

u make a great point

[civic ocean]

Maybe someday

[spiral wadi]

let's parry scylla dash

[civic ocean]

My blades is surface fig leaf start

[surreal hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1408155434766045235/203B371.JPG?ex=68a8b671&is=68a764f1&hm=ed137c5fe8d3b018161651458a0faf51d519752f0629047b741093d19f160a43& incidentally. This makes prometheus memory game no longer a memory game. You can literally react

[spiral wadi]

holy

[surreal hazel]

-76% projectile speed

Also -76% projectile range because projectiles only have a lifespan. So if they move slower but expire in the same amount of time... then yeah

[spiral wadi]

put in gust too

[surreal hazel]

Makes it about -85% speed

[surreal hazel]

But in that run I had a very different goal

[spiral wadi]

mm fair

[surreal hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1408155434119856269/20E7271.JPG?ex=68a8b671&is=68a764f1&hm=1c2337a804528bda939991e6eb88ba9e80c465b5341005f4bd86306835736811&

Stacking every cost increase ever

Flood gain at its finest

[spiral wadi]

flood value

[surreal hazel]

I think it's slept on for extremely hungry builds

[spiral wadi]

ye it's pretty solid tbh

[surreal hazel]

Born gain is good until it isn't

I had so much firepower that every phase change on typhon was all I needed to recharge flood gain

[uneven palm]

Flood Gain rules. I slept on it for a while but it’s usually more than sufficient

[upper rapids]

flood gain my beloved

[surreal hazel]

The fact that the free overload cast feature persists through the whole duration is so good

[upper rapids]

love seeing people finding the value in it

[surreal hazel]

Doesn't matter that you're spending mana faster than the bar refills it, spend it anyway

It's weird in that it kinda actively doesn't benefit from max mana seemingly at all

Other than a finite buffer between recharges

[upper rapids]

thats why its the goat
really good to counteract hubris

born gain could never

[surreal hazel]

Can you cast something more expensive than your max mana?

[upper rapids]

havent tried or noticed

could test really quick with shiva 1 sec i wanna try

[surreal hazel]

Mm

Also: ionic gain is a worse tranquil gain. Mostly

[upper rapids]

you cannot
primed magick with rare flood gain and no persistence, so 44 magick
then i spent on omega attack but omega special doesnt work

[surreal hazel]

Just means you need at least some cap to work with

Literally always a problem no matter what gain you use

[upper rapids]

on something really magick hungry id see that, because of the respawn timer
but otherwise i do enjoy ionic a lot
i guess it would suffer from really big rooms tho , like chronos p3

[surreal hazel]

Hardly a strike against flood specifically

[surreal hazel]

You stil have to stop to interact with the font, and go and find it

[upper rapids]

its not like you dont wanna take magick ever anyway, its a nonmenu door so one or two is typical

[surreal hazel]

Tranquil just lets you do it where ever

[upper rapids]

yea finding it is whats difficult with big rooms
but interacting, i didnt notice it taking long or anything

tranquil has the pain point of sometimes having to dash away from an attack and it didnt get to restore enough magick so youre like at 44 magick when you need 45 or whatever

[surreal hazel]

Feels like kind of a "well it's nit as bad as old ionic gain and let's you use old spirit surge"

But kinda doesn't fit what zeus does so much anymore

[civic ocean]

Ionic is fine same with tranq

[surreal hazel]

But it's just that. fine

Ionic is basically never the gain you actually wanted to get

[civic ocean]

Yeah I think thats okay

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, It's never going to be "grisly gain with support boons" levels of bad

Just eh. Kinda feels like they could make it synergise with his stuff more

Or idk, make power surge synergise with it, but incandescent aura already exists

[cerulean panther]

You mean without support boons?

[surreal hazel]

Yes

[upper rapids]

You can support it all you want with regular boons, without the legendary its still bad
So i guess with also works

[surreal hazel]

Ehh. You can really spray blood with HA

And I'm okay with gain boons that are weak gains but do other stuff, like plasma

[upper rapids]

How about tough gain

technically it does other stuff but

[surreal hazel]

Flat Damage reduction is no joke

[cerulean panther]

So it's one of the best Gains in the game if you have Sanguinary Savor and decent Plasma generation. Room-wide collection is the big upgrade.

But it doesn't do great Plasma generation on its own.

[surreal hazel]

No. And it has bad level/rarity scaling

Success rate at common does way more

[cerulean panther]

I think the first pom is 2% and I've never even attempted to boost it.

I still don't think anything is remotely as effective as Visceral Impact with Heinous Affront, which is a bit of a problem.

[surreal hazel]

Mmm, I feel plasma generation is very wonky

[cerulean panther]

Agreed.

[upper rapids]

If it were faster , would that make the difference between normal walking speed and +100% walk speed too jarring tho?
As in, itd happen way faster so its harder to adjust to it, maybe

[cerulean panther]

I don't think so.

[surreal hazel]

Tying plasma into his gain is elegant in its simplicity... but ooof it makes you really want to invest hard into ares to get going

[elfin forge]

I mean if you spawn into each room with 100% speed it's probably fine honestly

so ramping up quickly isn't too big of a concern I think

[cerulean panther]

Most builds have a really hard time generating Plasma, and even the ones that do it really well still don't build that quickly unless they have Sanguinary Savor, in which case they build it too quickly and it got capped.

[surreal hazel]

I feel like blood bonuses need to be exponentially less effective with each drop

[upper rapids]

How do you spawn with 100

[elfin forge]

you can't but as a hypothetical, imagine loading into each room with the maximum blood drop buff

[surreal hazel]

So low blood bonus can be buffed a little

[cerulean panther]

I think the fix is actually increasing most forms of Plasma generation and tweaking Sanguinary Savor.

[upper rapids]

Ok the hypothetical would never happen so thats why i had raised my concern
You cant start that fast, so youll have to adapt to the rapid rate of change were plama to generate (too) quickly

[cerulean panther]

Without the Legendary you need super fast-hitting builds to get noticeable % speed increases.

[elfin forge]

is that even a big disorientation at all though

[cerulean panther]

Or Heinous Affront, but that doesn't help too much in boss fights unless you're getting slapped up a lot.

[surreal hazel]

Or it's UR scylla

[upper rapids]

Its why i posted it as a question
Im not sure, could be depending on the rate

[civic ocean]

HA goes crazy against sirens tbh

[cerulean panther]

And that's okay, and not just because I didn't think about them.

[civic ocean]

Its actually kinda good against p1 and p2 chronos too

[cerulean panther]

Ranged builds work really well against Polyphemus, crowd control builds should work well against the Sirens, a wolfpack boss.

[civic ocean]

Yeah its good that it works the way it does, the only bad thing about it is that Divine Vengeance is a scam

[upper rapids]

Does it not "roll" for the followup bolts

[civic ocean]

Its just statistically silly

[cerulean panther]

Yeah, Divine Vengeance shouldn't be a scam and I shouldn't be doubling my #2 source of damage with HA Light Smite.

[civic ocean]

No I think the only Trio boon in the game should be really strong

[cerulean panther]

If the requirements were Wounds, Zeus, and Light Smite I might agree.

But Apollo being an added prereq makes it easier to get, yes?

[surreal hazel]

DV is... definitely a boon of all time

[civic ocean]

Those are the requirements for HA Light Smite tho

[cerulean panther]

Fair.

[surreal hazel]

I dunno why they had to make it work that way except for success rate

[civic ocean]

It like very obviously should be a bigger and bigger single bolt right

[cerulean panther]

Okay, talk to me about the specifics. I just thought that DV is likely to roll fewer lightning bolts than more?

What exactly makes it a scam?

[surreal hazel]

It needs a text indicator to tell you it did anything. That is a patch for badly designed feedback

[surreal hazel]

100 base damage isn't actually a lot?

[cerulean panther]

I suppose it's not great with HA, actually.

But I remember runs where I'd be hit multiple times with scratch damage and drop well over 1000 in return from multiple well-rolling DVs.

[uneven palm]

I’m not mad about it on HA but it’s not worth pomming as-is

[surreal hazel]

The average number of strikes for an uncapped number of rolls is slightly less than two

[civic ocean]

It’s not worth upgrading at all

[surreal hazel]

Epic success rate doubles that average

[cerulean panther]

Okay, if the math is actually that poor I'm with you on it needing some TLC.

[civic ocean]

One bolt more dmg

[cerulean panther]

Sometimes I need to be reminded to play by the numbers and not by feel.

[surreal hazel]

And that's assuming a level high enough to never really matter

[uneven palm]

Its worded real poorly. Like if it’s 8 bolts it’s not 8 individual 50% rolls. If it fails any roll that’s the end of it

[surreal hazel]

I did get divine vengeance x18 once thanks to success rate

[civic ocean]

I mean are you sure that was thanks to success rate

[surreal hazel]

There's no hope of getting 17 50% chances in a row

Literally 17 coinflips going your way

[past salmon]

Does DV still proc off Chronos whirlwind

[surreal hazel]

Well okay the king's ransom was a necessary component too

[cerulean panther]

See, I feel like the KR is implied with a number that high.

And it's a 0.00000763% chance of happening off 50/50 odds.

[elfin forge]

so you're saying there's a chance

[cerulean panther]

Damn right I am.

[surreal hazel]

Yeah. Now compare it to 17 75% chance rolls

[elfin forge]

0.752% odds

[surreal hazel]

Still very rare, but orders of magnitude more likely than 50%

[civic ocean]

Does light smite? That sounds fun

[surreal hazel]

So yeah, success rate made that outcome 100,000x more likely

Binomials are complicated, yo

[upper rapids]

I think it does proc versus chronos whirlwind, cant watch my clip right now but i did have it in a fight and vaguely recall it happening
It also triggers versus eris 'whirlwind'

[surreal hazel]

Big shade has big succ too

[past salmon]

No idea I just know DV at least used to

[surreal hazel]

Also dv still spaces out restrikes...

So you can highroll and still have to wait a bit for them to all do something

[ocean ibex]

it triggers versus all attacks

[surreal hazel]

Even 0 damage attacks

[chrome inlet]

Apologies for the noob question, but what's the meta thinking for daggers build at ~36 heat?

i leak a lot of damage still so taking heph for attack or special so i can dodge in and out, then anything that lets me cast at range. Letting 3 hits go on the attack seems to leak a lot of dmg by the animation... so building around it

[neon crown]

trio?

[olive sphinx]

you'd want to specify your fav aspect, sicne they play quite differently

[chrome inlet]

mostly taking the first one as i think (?) the backstab dmg on the special return seems valuable

but probably wrong. 🙂

[last cape]

I think if what you want is just the absolute strongest dagger build possible it's gonna be Mel/Artemis and pray for trick knives or go morrigan

[olive sphinx]

oh ok that's the one I never play personally hahahah so I cant really help too much...

but one common thought I see is taking Hestia on attack and just spamming lots of regular attacks for scorch build-up!

[chrome inlet]

basically not sure if i should just learn to avoid dmg better then can build differently. but right now i feel like i have to keep my distance

[chrome inlet]

i loved the scorch build! then they nerfed it a bit I think? used to feel v good

[olive sphinx]

melee aspects are harder to play in general unfortunately yeah, ranged is a safer option overall in this game

[chrome inlet]

ive got a feeling its a skill issue lol

trying to work in zues or hestia most build just so i get a ranged cast 😄

[olive sphinx]

no scorch is still very powerful!

[last cape]

Partially, melee weapons are far from useless, but they are definitely harder

[olive sphinx]

just make sure to get a rare+ pyro technique

[chrome inlet]

does anyone build based off attack boons?

other than scorch? which i have enjoyed a bit

[wispy perch]

curious .. does anyone actually like a mainly poseidon build?

[last cape]

Splash tends to be good on most of the same things Scorch is

[olive sphinx]

with a fast hitting weapon it's hard to justify any build other than scorch or splash yeah..
you could do other attacks but then you'd be focusing more on the o-attack, so at that point you might as well play Artemis?

[chrome inlet]

love posideon cast for free splash. sometimes feels tricky getting a posideon boon and then splash after. 😄

[last cape]

I find Aphro is at least funny on every attack if you also pick up a lot of power

[olive sphinx]

oh true it does sound funny

[chrome inlet]

Def makes sense, i used to do artemis. Then i realised i wanted more special for those fog/los enemies or the big elite packs on boats, so started veering to special and ranged cast. I really have no idea, but I feel like the backstab dmg bonus on mels daggers works on the return of her special?

apologies if this is all basic knowledge, not been looking much up

[cerulean panther]

It does.

[chrome inlet]

yey i noticed something

[olive sphinx]

yeah if you want to use the specials more people here LOVE the trick knives hammer

[chrome inlet]

is that the one that does split shot?

[last cape]

Trick knives is pretty crazy yes

[chrome inlet]

i do enjoy that one. and the minus armour one

[last cape]

It's the best hammer on any dagger aspect pretty much

[olive sphinx]

dash striking throws 3 specials out

[chrome inlet]

oh! yeah that looks good. im bad at using it i think

[olive sphinx]

except for morrigan?

[last cape]

It's not on morrigan yeah

[chrome inlet]

my dashes are for panic

[olive sphinx]

oh nvm lol

[last cape]

If it was it would be insanely busted cuz dash strike -> o attack would be an immediate triad

[olive sphinx]

omg you're right that'd be insane lmaooo

[olive sphinx]

also understandable yeah I feel it too 😭

[chrome inlet]

Triad as in the new dagger thingy? the one where you have to land a few different types of attack to trigger the dmg burst

[last cape]

Yes

[olive sphinx]

yes the aspect of morrigan

[chrome inlet]

ah k thx!"

I feel like ive been on a bit of a journey here. It's only since pushing 35 heat i bothered to start paying attention to mechanics, and maybe realised i should check what the rest of the world is doing lol

thx for answering

[olive sphinx]

if you just want to learn as much as possible, then look at Boated videos on youtube for example

he's a strong player so you can see and copy what he does

[elfin forge]

you can also check out https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ to see what top players are using at high fear

[chrome inlet]

Ive sort of enjoyed being in my own bubble and its nice coming here for tips rather than jumping straight ahead to just mimicking the best players. If that makes sense?

[olive sphinx]

yeah that makes sense to me

[elfin forge]

Foolish did FIVE 65 CLEARS?????

[cerulean panther]

This guy gets it. ❤️

[chrome inlet]

Even learning that the backstag dmg applies on special for mel aspect is like ..... amaaaaaaazing

[olive sphinx]

😭 yes apparently

[chrome inlet]

Because i thought it did

[chrome inlet]

65 heat 😐

Dear god

[olive sphinx]

yeah thats what foolish is 🥁

[chrome inlet]

Thats awesome, literally incomprehendible lol

im going to check them out at some point when im done fumbling around

Nice welcoming community btw. I spent a while wondering if i should ask my questions or not as scrolling up the chat was pretty complex

😄

[olive sphinx]

it's really hard to push high fear on your own because testing out a lot of these deep mechanics on your own is very difficult because the game literally doenst communicate most of them to you..
lots of high fear runners had to look into the game's code to find out exactly how certain things work

[chrome inlet]

oh wow

[olive sphinx]

like for example how poseidon splashes have an internal cooldown which means that if you proc it twice really really quickly, one of the splashes wont register

[chrome inlet]

I thought that must be the case though!

[olive sphinx]

yeah it kinda becomes a community effort in a way!

[chrome inlet]

theres a lot of half thought stuff thats like supersition to me, nice to hear things confirmed

[olive sphinx]

❤️ 🙌

[chrome inlet]

i know ive still got a bunch of learning to do anyway. I took a while doing daggers at 36 above, now going below, and its shameful to admit i just learned i can animation stun with spec before closing in or going past

used to just run in and tank dmg 😄 I DESERVE TO HIT YOU heh

big fan of both hades 1 & 2 but i feel the high heat runs gripping me more in 2

maybe because of overworld and the choice selection, or general design dunno. enjoying it tho

soz, off topic. thx for your help everyone

[chrome inlet]

Sorry, additional Q after watching a bit of bloated and foolish. How far is considered "close" for Aphrodite on the dagger special? It seems more generous than i expected. Half an arena?

I basically never took it as i thought it would never proc

Feel free to point me at a wiki or something, dont want to be a pain

[past salmon]

idk but its closer than u think maybe

[chrome inlet]

it seems so! thx

[uneven palm]

Start Zeus special, add basically anything on attack as you can IMO

[past salmon]

roughly the range of Axe spin

[chrome inlet]

thank you

[uneven palm]

Roughly cast distance

[chrome inlet]

I like zues spec! i just take aphro a lot but never felt like i could take her special on long range things

but watching good players take it, seems to proc way more than i thought. wanted just to check 😄

[uneven palm]

Her duo with Poseidon can fix that. Rarity/pom scaling on Flutter Flourish is nutty

[chrome inlet]

Going to have to look that up. 🙂 but i did notice some things scale better than others, cheers for tip

oh sorry, mind if i do one more? does the game still try and give you attack/spec/cast etc if you dont have them like hades 1?

[uneven palm]

Yes

[chrome inlet]

thanks! feels less obvious so wasnt sure if it was changed

[uneven palm]

Not guaranteed, but they're heavily prioritized. Also there's 5 core slots here instead of 4

[chrome inlet]

Feels a bit like when i tried to lean into that in the overland route it often bit me, but people are bad at noticing patterns so wasnt sure

man, this is fun. didnt realise how much i was guessworking and how nice it is to get confirmation.

[uneven palm]

Ask away, it's what us lunatics are here for 🙂

[chrome inlet]

yeah but i feel like im spamming ;D

[chrome inlet]

this is a great point, 5th slot when im not doing a mana build doesnt register for me, but im guessing its affecting things

[uneven palm]

You will keep getting offered a gain even if you don't "want" it, yeah. A couple of them are pretty good for that, like Aphro's (applies a status, unique among gains) or Heph's (damage reduction)

[chrome inlet]

I feel like hades 1 taught me some of this, but it wasnt working as well. And most of it could probably be explained by the same mechanics but more things its "trying" to offer 🙂

really didnt notice that until you mentioned it

[civic ocean]

Bloated and Foolish is the title of my biography

[chrome inlet]

I feel both bloated and foolish to come here asking for boon tips, get recced to their videos and see them smashing it mostly boonless whenever they want at top fear

😄

[uneven palm]

Yeah uhh don't compare yourself to them they (a) are totally cracked and (b) have a bazillion hours

[civic ocean]

Well if you want to watch someone have a really hard time at top fear boy do I have the stream for you

[past salmon]

this is false that boated guy SUCKS

[civic ocean]

Can we start calling him Bloated

[chrome inlet]

Oh its ok, its just kindof awesome. not downbeat, more just fascinating

[past salmon]

no thats mean

[civic ocean]

Yeah but thats what british ppl like right

[past salmon]

stop

[civic ocean]

Sigh fine

[chrome inlet]

Are there spawn patterns in h2?

Watching foolish do the medea spawn run and its nuts. Not sure whats reaction and whats learning heh 😄

Both i lack clearly, just curious

Seem to remember a h1 speedrunner talking about their being predictable spawns and it blew my mind a bit

[spiral wadi]

ye there tends to be preset enemy comps

[chrome inlet]

Cheers. And location they spawn in?

[spiral wadi]

i didnt know spawn locations were also predictable so

[chrome inlet]

thx for confirming comps though. thats another thing i sort of felt, nice to hear confirmed

[spiral wadi]

ye, i mainly feel it in erebus then never again

[chrome inlet]

i feel it in the way of "oh great, now i get this for the rest of the run"

we notice the pain 🙂

Fast + anything in my case.

[spiral wadi]

ah i think fangs are still rng

[chrome inlet]

Sorry, fangs?

[spiral wadi]

the armored enemy traits

[civic ocean]

Easiest was to think about it is that each unit has “weight”

Depending on whether or not it is armored, and like intuitively speaking how physically large it is, you will have fewer enemies in an encounter based on those contexts

[chrome inlet]

The elite upgrades? Ah ok

[chrome inlet]

oh, so theres a budget?

[civic ocean]

More or less yeah I don’t have the exact numbers

[chrome inlet]

man, so many things i thought were patterns or rng. not the case, just me reading too much into it

[upper rapids]

Gonna butt in a bit but for that early question about dagger builds, morrigan imo works with literally any and all gods as long as you make reasonable decisions on what slots to occupy

[chrome inlet]

I might be a bit better at that aspect now, but it really hurts when you're not good at avoiding dmg

in my experience at least

(you are almost certainly correct, just trying to offer perspective as to why ive not tried it much.)

[upper rapids]

Apollo aphro hestia poseidon demeter even heph are great on attack
Zeus hera ares dem heph good for special
Casts either more dmg if the attack and special boons already apply curses for origination, otherwise a curse applier
Same for sprint but mostly doesnt matter
Has good builds for both magick-reliant and no-magick runs thanks to its hammers

[upper rapids]

Yea understandable

[chrome inlet]

This fits with my understanding! other than i favour heph on attack or spec to avoid leaking damage with accidental 3 hit combo + backswing 😄

as i said, skill issue on my part

dodge in and out, cast, etc

[upper rapids]

I guess what i wanted to get across is just try it out for a full run when youre comfortable with it because its fun and welcomes any god

Also i know less bout the other daggers so yea, not my place to speak when it comes to those

[chrome inlet]

no thanks, great advice

i just sort of accidentally ended up sticking on daggers for a bit to try and cut down the problem space. i found cast builds with staff pretty okay, then i had these daggers that really lock you in place if you do 3 hit combo, and it sort of fascinated me how they work as heat rises 😄

part of it is getting better at avoiding dmg, learning enemies i think, as ive been improving that. but i also had to unlearn "going toe to toe" as you can do before

[upper rapids]

I think theres some value in trying apollo attack for the extra range to stay at a safer distance and assess the situation better, learn the enemy attack patterns and stuff like that

[chrome inlet]

Terrifying to not take status effects to proc my 2 status dmg bonus 😄

[upper rapids]

True

[chrome inlet]

I shall give it a go. I think i knew a bunch of this, there was a whole phase of learning to actually look at enemy attacks i had to get through

and now im better at it, but still room to improve ofc. I think apollo attack boon clear will be a mark of me actually not randomly leaking dmg

Do you have a specialty then? you say you're not a daggers expert?

[upper rapids]

My specialty is being trash at every weapon but i do like the skull a lot more

[chrome inlet]

The skull is a lot of fun

[upper rapids]

Also since you mentioned earlier about not wanting to get into streamers or ytbers until now to experience the game for yourself

You can still get the same benefit of watching a run and analyzing each play by recording yourself
You dont get the answers handed to you like in another person's clip but you still can analyze your boons choices, dash timing, when you go in or when you stay back

Pretty generic gaming tip but its great

[chrome inlet]

Yes that makes sense. And i did enjoy looking at a few runs on youtube, and I like chatting in here. Doesnt feel like im just copying by that, if it makes sense

Dunno - played a lot of rts where theres no joy in discovery. but maybe after 350 hours theres also some fun in seeing what people are up to

Also, as i said, theres so many things I think ive noticed but its hard to confirm. Very satisifying or interesting to see them confirmed or debunked

Either way, i appreciate you taking the time to answer

[uneven palm]

Poseidons pretty stank on attack. You get 1, maybe 2 waves for the 3-hit regular attacks.

Otherwise co-sign on the “basically anything reasonable works” on Morrigan

[ebon reef]

Anyone have a list of all damage boosting stuff that affects Nyx's Omega Boost? Restarted so many times because I can't get it to do much damage

[pure grove]

Unfortunately, you’re not going to be using it for damage most of the time. It’s more of an activator for the gimmick

[uneven palm]

Uhh not much? Chaos Chasm? It counts as an Omega move. And yeah you use it to trigger the swarm of attacks/specials

[ebon reef]

Yeah that's why I'm trying to do a run using only that. Trying to see how far I can take it damage-wise

[olive sphinx]

it doesnt get affected by any global damage buffs?

[uneven palm]

It does, i guess i should have specified those

[olive sphinx]

oh ok ok

[civic ocean]

Best you can do is probably to run Night Origination Furies and Strength, then intentionally miss with omega attack and use Weak and Daze as your curses

Add in Artemis and Ares and you can deal a ton of damage

[ebon reef]

Thanks! I'll see how it goes. I reckon Born Gain for the mana problems or is there a better one?

[civic ocean]

they're all probably fine, probably not born because you can OOM yourself

Just go like tranquil and go stand in a corner

[ebon reef]

I plan on getting Hera, Aphro, Hestia, Ares and Apollo. I'd consider tranquil if hearty appetite works on the omega boost but I'm not sure it does

[civic ocean]

it doesn't

[empty musk]

Ok question for a run I'm doing rn

Echo did the keepsake next region thing for Moros Pin

If I equip Gorgon Amulet and lose my dds before Tartarus is over can Athena still appear w only Moros dd?

Trying to decide between Renewed Faith or tooth bc have 2 dds left

[stable herald]

Pretty sure Moros pin counts as a DD and disables Gorgon Amulet

[willow phoenix]

But what about during the 10 seconds countdown

[stable herald]

I doubt it but I genuinely have no idea. I've never heard of Athena intervening during Moros' countdown

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1384364983122530328/1408345368147529749/goldbagcrackedig.mp4?ex=68a96755&is=68a815d5&hm=d5509a5ac17d5a3923dd2cf53c13a4345fe3fbfc629c284e98032ae7e7b2fa1a&

Why does the rev have a perfectly tracking lazerbeam

[rotund totem]

does sunny disposition affect aphrodite's godsent hex heartthrobs?

[willow phoenix]

Yes but the difference isn't really that big

[glass shell]

Athena amulet runs a check upon entering each room, upon entering the room you have moros pin = you have a DD = athena amulet fails its check and cannot proc until the next room when then moros pin refills and thus disables her again

its just a full brick

[primal phoenix]

Did they change Morri O Attack ? It's amazing how it affects enemies afar too !

[tall notch]

Not sure if there's been small changes but the oattack always did the thing where it hits 3(?) times

[primal phoenix]

Must have missed it, or I was under the impression that it touched enemies further than usual. Then again it's been some time since i've played so..

[tall notch]

I didn't realise the oatk did that until someone else pointed it out to be fair

[primal phoenix]

Yeah me neither, so maybe there's been a slight overall, because it was obvious for me now

[glass bone]

https://youtu.be/Vj1rg2mVgSg?si=EyIBvfksW50HfIw8

There were small changes between Patches 10 and 11 I think to Morrigan that were not mentioned in the Patch Notes

In summary, Dash Attack is worse, but Attack is much better. So it’s better to Attack -> Dash -> Charge OAttack for the combos.

Although what I’m saying is an oversimplification because I don’t play a lot of Morrigan