h2-builds-and-combat

[uneven palm]

Like I write guides and most people just need to know the basics. You don’t need to editorialize too much about which aspect is best or whatever because any of them are more than capable of building some DPS monster to stomp through say 32 fear which is far and away where most people are stopping, and the vast majority of folks don’t even go for that

Mel and Artemis seem alright still. Pan is having a bad patch.

[glass shell]

freezer burn and scorch still exists so yeah. It only got better from pre-unseen so daggers in general are still good.

Pan blows comparatively to last patch, but can still perform it just controls like ass now

you have less damage, less control and less finesse than pre unseen pan but even a nerfed pan with half splashes is still disgusting DPS

[gaunt canopy]

Seemed like people thought artemis was relatively bad in warsong, but I guess scorch being good helps yeah

[glass shell]

artemis is probably the worst dagger yeah

but just having the default dagger moveset is good

[gaunt canopy]

Still have to get close to stuff with mel and pan, yuck

[uneven palm]

Use the special. Like a lot. It’s probably one of the best base kit moves on offer. Pierces, fast, hitstuns, hits twice, you can do other things while it’s flying. A+

Gets bonus damage on the backstab from Mel, can crit twice on Artemis

[civic ocean]

I think you are better served helping solicit guides from people in the community instead of creating a list of what is good and what isn't that often lacks context

At least I think that's what I'm trying I think

[willow phoenix]

Honestly I don't think tier list matters much for most players ngl. All aspects in the game can clear 32f which is the highest most players will ever play. It's much better balanced than H1 imo

Like I feel like making a tier list will just make people not try other aspects outside of the 'strong' ones.

[elfin forge]

but how else are we gonna milk for content

also I think there's a powerscaler in all of us with how we must determine something must be better than something else, even if we like them both

[grave forge]

Tier list

• S tier: all secret aspects
• A teir: all other aspects

[civic ocean]

Hell yeah Nergal S tier

Do the Flames Specials stun now?

[wispy perch]

Hi, any Morrigan appreciators want to advise me on how best to dash to guide my Specials? Thx

[elfin forge]

you don't really use the special chase thing

[civic ocean]

I haven’t played Morrigan yet and probably won’t for some time

[spiral wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXsUwT33Qas

[broken lichen]

Does Heph's boon cooldown only reach the max of 2 seconds on heroic rarity, or can I reach to the 2 second cooldown with Poms on like just rare or something?
I have never been lucky enough with the Poms or rarify to be able to know

[cerulean panther]

You can reach 2 seconds with any rarity, it's just much more difficult without higher rarity.

[magic moss]

gonna interject rq here and just say I think tierlists for this game are fundamentally stupid and should never be taken seriously since so many builds and skill ceilings are simply undiscovered

the most prominent example is blades, where so many people thought mel blades (especially in high fear) was mid but then people realized trick knives were just uber busted a month before the patch dropped

another is just weapon/aspect skill ceilings is largely dependent on whether there is someone willing to push the absolute limits of the weapon on a fundamental level

i personally have made/popularized almost every staff trick and combo known to the high fear community because I pushed this weapon to its absolute limit over the course of multiple patches

[tall notch]

you are still coping about the omegas being good though

[magic moss]

tldr tierlists good free content

[spiral wadi]

looking at this i got curious what high staff was like, so im just watching a 62f staff run and am laughing at the lack of omega use, gen didn't expect them to actually be not meta

[tall notch]

I'd be surprised if omegas were meta tbf

It's just a thing mininet insists is usable

[spiral wadi]

early on i used to run the staff aspect that echoed your omega twice after, kinda wanna start running that aspect again tbh

[elfin forge]

you should make a tier list of tricks and combos

[spiral wadi]

new circe aspect is fun but when i don't get winner's circle after rerolling it hurts,,

rivals cerberus' 2nd phase now being like 66% hp or so makes it aggressively rough when he's moving around a ton, plus weird attack priority

[elfin forge]

bro animation cancels a lot, yeah

[tall notch]

If i made a weapons tier list I'd probably put most in a or b tier

[past salmon]

Hey tbf Mel blades are ass
Trick knives don't count that hammer isn't real

also didn't most people think they were ass before trick knives existed? I'm pretty sure I was saying trick knives was solid like very soon after it came out

[spiral wadi]

funny, looking thru old chat history with "trick knives", lots of ppl had mixed opinions

it very quickly ramped up after a few days

[past salmon]

Initial opinions are always mixed

Plenty of newer players think Medea is ass

[spiral wadi]

was trick knives a new hammer at some point

or did they change smth to it

[past salmon]

It wasn't here on release unless I'm delusional

I can't remember the exact patch it came in tho

[tall notch]

Yeah mel blades got significant buffs. When everyone said they are ass it was back when backstab did like 40% extra damage

[past salmon]

Yeh

[elfin forge]

I mean newer players generally think almost all weapons suck and most bosses are too hard

[spiral wadi]

ah they used to be called "flick knives" introduced in patch 2

[past salmon]

Huh I would of thought patch 3

[spiral wadi]

· Flick Knives (Blades): new! Your Dash-Strike also fires several Special knives in a fan pattern
seems to match

huh what was hook knives, sounds fun

[elfin forge]

+40% backstab

[spiral wadi]

really wish wiki had a thing where it documented cut content i like history

[tall notch]

My channel has some old weapons on there if you like that kinda stuff

[spiral wadi]

hm, woulda thought hook knives would literally hook enemies onto your special then bring them to you

[tall notch]

Like full runs of patch 1 Eos, storm ring ocast spam Than

[tall notch]

That'd be sick

[spiral wadi]

o rad

[floral mason]

Is incandescent aura damage spread by Hitch?

[past salmon]

It did make your knives come back

[spiral wadi]

o like omega special?

or did og special not come back

[past salmon]

Regular special used to not return
But yeah it made o special do it too

[spiral wadi]

huh, wild

[past salmon]

Yeh it was uh
Very strong on Pan

[spiral wadi]

oooooh i see now, damn

[willow phoenix]

It damages every unit with Hitch and then the damage on that unit will damage other hitched units too

So yeah uhh kinda double damage

[past salmon]

That's hype

I love aura
Dope boon

[restive cloud]

hmmm, is grisly gain even worth it on cloak?

[tall notch]

I like grisly gain. It's not the best but it's just so silly when you get other plasma stuff and you are zooming around

[restive cloud]

true, i find it good but only with the legendary, as having to pick them up is a pain

[past salmon]

Grisly gain is awful until you get 763828 other boons to support it
So it's bad basically

[restive cloud]

sadly, Ares in H1 is so much better lol, but alas, the great can fall

[willow phoenix]

I found grisly gain bearable with Nyx since you actually get a lot of hits in and doesn't need much magick but yeah it's not really a gain boon primarily lol

[brave dove]

It isn't, it's like hitch itself in that sense

[wise knot]

The most busted build so far for me

non-secret Skull aspect

Flood Gain + possed array + apollo legendary and preferrably luck out with wide grin
spam attack special attack special and watch all enemies and bosses evaporated.

[rich belfry]

So what's the current build for nergal??

[past salmon]

Spin to win

[topaz meteor]

Hello, need help with Shiva build. The omega on both are so slow / clunky I'm struggling to get good damage, I tried with Ares for the plasma but still

[brave dove]

if you want something fairly easy, demeter attack (it needs to be epic or heroic or you'll feel it though), fish for weed killer, do nothing but spin

[uneven palm]

Just put Apollo on attack and punch the entire room. Don’t bother with the Omega special/Destruction gimmick except against bosses or the like. If you’re struggling to do the Omega attack in rooms I’m guessing you’re not casting enough to keep things off you.

[topaz meteor]

Thanks! Also, Apollo is busted 🤣 always works on any build I've tried, feels like a clutch lmao

[uneven palm]

I can dig up a recent video if you wanna see what it looks like

[solemn loom]

About a week away from 1 month of Unseen Patch. No love for Artemis.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1272385014150991875/1393231914638381106/Screenshot_2025-07-11_at_10.03.19_AM.png?ex=68726bd5&is=68711a55&hm=cfb39ccb810e93962d5db984a4043a6a636d900b8b56af38b4c11e35282d8710&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=864&height=896

[woeful moth]

What is this site? Does it also have vods?

[brave dove]

huh

[solemn loom]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/

• Tick "Require Video" to filter data to entries with gameplay.

Then sort and filter however you like, aspect/fear/regions etc

[paper moon]

Christ allmighty, Scylla and the Sirens feat. Charybdis is no joke. Every square meter is almost constantly covered by an attack. Made it on the second try by the help of Aspect of Hel omega special thanks go out

with 20 hp left

[uneven palm]

Aw I should put Arty on the board

[tall notch]

yes

[distant apex]

Artemis is kinda in a weird spot

[civic ocean]

Yeah who just starts singing in the literal middle of the crossroads

[desert shell]

Does electric overload apply after air quality or before?

[civic ocean]

Air Quality is a check that is applied at the end of damage calculation IIRC

[solemn loom]

• Melinoë Axe if you can. xd

[tall notch]

actually i have a ridiculuos gambling mel axe build that just might make it if i gamble for long enough

[solemn loom]

The more ridiculous, the better. People will be left wondering how it even works. lul

[mossy yoke]

what boons should i be running to try out anubis staff?

[solemn loom]

Here is some references. https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ > sort Aspect to Anubis for the full entries.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1272385014150991875/1393313014702411856/Screenshot_2025-07-11_at_3.28.22_PM.png?ex=6872b75d&is=687165dd&hm=216a6e02e0e87af9444eb9f579d6981780cf9c94b37c3e77c9030e6bfc9485ba&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1126&height=792

[uneven palm]

I can do Mel Axe. Here's Arty #h2-victory-boasting message

[solemn loom]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1272385014150991875/1393328374138671155/Screenshot_2025-07-11_at_4.29.07_PM.png?ex=6872c5ab&is=6871742b&hm=b369053051cc0788b8b0a0eefbb4737e92ce36538e3a4d50887aa57699ce407b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

201 entries, 24/24 aspects.

[uneven palm]

oh good I wasn't actually in a mel axe mood. tho I think it's one of the easier ones for like 50ish UW

[civic ocean]

Trick knives is such a funny hammer to me

[heady flame]

chat is strength still > dds after the nerf

[civic ocean]

Was it ever

[tall notch]

for speedruns yeah, for fear not really id say

[uneven palm]

If you have healing, Strength leans better, especially on the Surface.

If you don't have healing, DDs are gonna be better. Underworld you've got Echo AND Athena offering full refills so DDs can offer a lot more effective HP in a pinch.

[heady flame]

i thought it was the opposite and athena like doesnt appear n underworld

[uneven palm]

You can summon her with her keepsake

Also Surface you can get REAL beefy buying tons of hearts from Hermes

[uneven palm]

I don't need need it to win at that heat but it makes things go down smoother. I blew one promising run an hour before this with Reaper Knives as my main damage

[heady flame]

well yeah but like

[tough pasture]

Subject: aspect of supay

Perhaps I missed this (lots of posts on this channel) but I haven't seen anyone talk about zeus dash (with the benefit of hail storm - zeus/demeter duo) on supay as comparable to the beach ball meta build on supay.

I made a build that was somewhat reminiscent of hades 1 rama aspect with zeus special pre-nerf of lighting procs on every special arrow. (I put demeter on attack, special, and cast with only zeus on dash). It worked beautifully. For the hammers I had clean helix and mega spark.

I don't know if it's superior to beach ball but I prefer it to beach ball and hestia builds on supay. Since the devil sparks are firing automatically, it's freezing enemies and repeatedly procing zeus lightning.

ETA: I did have artemis seeking arrow (but that didn't go crazy).

[stable herald]

Zeus is often talked about as one of the best rush boons you can put on Supay, plus Arc Flash and Romantic Spark both go brrr on Supay

does Beach Ball actually get buffed by Supay's rush boon boost? or is it just really good since you're always rushing with Supay anyway

[tough pasture]

-I follow a number of hades 2 content creators on Youtube and I check regularly on their content. I haven't seen any of them mention or do a zeus rush supay build.

-I've wondered the same. I'm genuinely not sure why supay is so strong. (Is it as simple as "it gives more passive sources of damage" and that's it?) Perhaps someone here shed some light on that.)

[civic ocean]

imagine if you always hit with all of your moves how strong you would be

[topaz meteor]

Really struggling with Rivals 😭😭 dying to Hecate a lot

[tough pasture]

btw, wasn't there a duo boon call thermal dynamics in hades 2? Am I tripping?

[cerulean panther]

It currently inflicts 160 Scorch, I think.

[tough pasture]

oh...no wonder I haven't been getting it. It's a zeus+hestia duo. I was wondering why I hadn't seen that in so long. I was wondering if it got deleted but no it's still there.

/just looked it up on hades wiki

[burnt sky]

Hi. I'm in a situation where I just cleared second surface region but, despite having Hestia keepsake, I only saw on the entire region only one god boon proposed and it was at the last Charon shop. Do you know if the effect "a boon of hestia lis likely" will carry over in the next region if I switch keepsake ?

[elfin forge]

it won't

you will need to keep the keepsake on if you still want a guaranteed Hestia keepsake

[burnt sky]

That's...

[elfin forge]

God Keepsakes only affect god boons that spawn from a room encounter(not duos).

[burnt sky]

I don't think that the game has unfair RNG globally, but having one full region with only one boon that is not the one of your keepsake is harsh.

[elfin forge]

Thessaly is notable for kind of starving you of boons, yeah

did you have Onion on?

[burnt sky]

I know, but at least most of the run I got some boons of Thesally, just not this

[elfin forge]

also overall the rng of Thessaly has been improved on since the Unseen update

[burnt sky]

nope

[elfin forge]

hm I had it happen before but that was when I was attempting 32f with onion on

[burnt sky]

Just trying to do a specific build for test, got per chance all the gods i needed on region 1 but now run might be damned. Will see.

[elfin forge]

yeah

ngl, if I wanted to test a specific build, I wonder if it'd be more convenient to just like, cheat in the boons I wanted and just disabled rewards for that run

[burnt sky]

I think that it happened only three time, maybe a bit more, but very rarely. Thing is, I may be weak or bad at the game or wanting everything on a plate or whatever, but this kind of things should not happen for me.

[burnt sky]

You can cheat in Hades xD ?

[elfin forge]

it should be said though that Thessaly has very few boons probably because Ephyra gives you so many

[elfin forge]

modding tools are out there, yep

[burnt sky]

Indeed, and I understand having fewer boons because Ephyra is such a neat region. But fewer should not adequate to only 1 that you cannot reroll and is not the one of your keepsake

[elfin forge]

yep

at least skip rooms are more consistent now

before how your Thessaly went would be up to whether Charon midshop, circe, or fountain would decide to grace you

now 1 or 2 of them are almost always guaranteed

[burnt sky]

I played a good amount of time before Unseen and I did not pay attention to the changes in rng

Cool to know

[barren galleon]

guys need help with sommet i havnt beaten chronos yet and im just trying to understand umbral flames - on reddit there seems to be people mentioning gains. what are gains. Like hera gain?

also what is bloodline because ei cannot find bloodline anywhere

[willow phoenix]

Gain boons are boons that give you magick. For Hera this is named Born Gain

Bloodline is the old Hera boon that is now renamed to Fine Line

[barren galleon]

ohh ok thank you - that makes so much sense

[civic ocean]

funny I have been cooking with mel flames today and I am pretty convinced they're a huntress weapon now

[barren galleon]

huntress?

[willow phoenix]

Yeah it's better with it, I also think the normal special is lowkey good

Same with Eos tbh

[willow phoenix]

Arcana card that gives you +50% damage for normal attack and special when you're not at 100% magick

The one with Artemis on the card

[barren galleon]

OHHHHH

shi thats op

[willow phoenix]

Keep in mind that it doesn't affect omega moves, so depending on your build it could have varying effectiveness

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773298528310001716/1393388124373258361/goobedagian1.mov goobed again by heracles

[willow phoenix]

Cerberus has the same problem of lingering hurtboxes from his explosion too

Or if it's actually like a shockwave like from Arm of Typhon, then it needs to be clear visually

[spiral wadi]

ye, it's funny cuz cerberus lingering problem is kind of changed with rivals + frenzy where it's just tight dodge timing

[stuck token]

Does sunny disposition affect the Selene Aphrodite interaction?

[willow phoenix]

Yes

[stuck token]

That's nuts, seems like it would burst harder than the Apollo one

[spiral wadi]

if they for some reason "fix" it so lingering problem remains even at high fear im actually gonna scream lmao

[willow phoenix]

https://youtu.be/c4Xw6ZOzyf0?si=JqjQHq35NZjkP2Xj
It's decent, but Apollo still the biggest burst

Lance of Ares probably deals the most damage potentially with Grievous but it's not as bursty as Apollo Lunar Ray

[civic ocean]

I just tried Selene a couple times at 39

Its crazy how much damage Lance of Ares does

There's something there with Eternity I think

Where the hex hits during the time stop windups

[willow phoenix]

Part of me feels like Ferocity might have some interesting interaction with Prism. I tried Lance of Ares without Prism and the damage was kinda meh lol

[civic ocean]

Oh maybe, I did have ferocity and prism

I missed the echo DD refills twice or I think I certainly win one of the two r4 chronos fights

[willow phoenix]

R Chronos doesn't feel that good vs Godsent tbh, so many invulnerability pauses unlike Typhon lol

[civic ocean]

It's weird because I have 5 stacks but the stacks do melt him insanely fast

[willow phoenix]

#h2-feedback message
@unkempt sleet priming is very different from using/losing magick though, possessed array costs magick which is what losing means

Priming is more like Zeus Static Shock or Hera's Born Gain

[civic ocean]

@uneven palm how come you don't take Denial in your Shiva 32 is there a reason

[tough pasture]

Has this channel talked about the ability to turn morrigan into zeus shield of sorts?

/I recently started experimenting with a different arcana loadouts and turning on fully upgraded arcana #11 aka swift runner (achilles) gives players the movement speed to keep outpacing the omega special.

[willow phoenix]

It's not really that effective tbh lol, but the tick damage is decent from O special

[spiral wadi]

how do yall dodge typhon's uvula attack, preferably smth that works at max frenzy

[elfin forge]

I'd love to know the answer

[spiral wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/brother-calm-mr-calm-cat-street-cat-gif-10149858768159774573

ig i'll look at a high fear run later

[elfin forge]

is speedrun.com dying or something

[spiral wadi]

seems so

[willow phoenix]

What is uvula

[spiral wadi]

tongue attack that creates ring shockwaves

apparently it doesn't reach to the bottom corner of the arena

[willow phoenix]

Oh, honestly I just hang out at the corner of the arena

It's not really dodgable even at 0 frenzy at close range lol

[spiral wadi]

figures, good to know

i saw a funky 62f clip at some point where there seemed to be a specific(?) spot where tongue laser can't hit

like far bottom

[willow phoenix]

Oh interesting, usually I just stick at Typhon's face for the laser

[spiral wadi]

ye that's usually the main spot, funny to know tho

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1or3Ez4Eyp/ found it, it's around 31:50

[elfin forge]

yeah, the laser is only relevant to me when I have to dodge out for tentacles or because of babality phase

[tough pasture]

even with hail storm duo boon on omega special of morrigan + static shock?

[willow phoenix]

Static shock is good, and arc flash is good with it too tbh, but I mean like it's not worth running around with it when you can just throw o special normally lol

Static shock with master conductor should deal tons of damage with it outside of Typhon

Hmm if you're fast enough you should be able to throw another O special without having the first one return, so maybe theoretically it should be possible to keep stacking the blades and run around

Dunno how fast you need to go though

[forest oxide]

Quick q fellas, which hammer’s most beneficial to Morrigan?

Hidden knives
Sulking onslaught
Final slice

[tough pasture]

I like either final slice or sulking onslaught
Of the two, I prefer final slice

I haven't gotten hidden knives on morrigan yet.

[willow phoenix]

Hidden knives is nice but only if you're doing a lot of o specials which a lot of players don't

[lean lance]

Final Slice by a very large margin

[forest oxide]

Thanks guys! Ended up with final slice, it was cool. And yeah I always use hidden knives on Pan but Pan’s really not hitting like it used to ah well

[lilac arrow]

I really enjoy artemis but a lot of starts have align for it to go really well

[hollow tartan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/852833387030380546/1393554187547312188/image.png?ex=687397f9&is=68724679&hm=abd14fb8c9fbf3f9cc705618cdfee8475f180e556c74b969b24c160ff8be5ac1&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1522&height=856

please dont nerf heinous affront supergiant 🙏

[lilac arrow]

Are there any cool nergal builds that dont involve just aphrodite on the attack?

[lilac arrow]

Guess ill try this weak stuff

[willow phoenix]

Weed Killer + Exceptional Talent for max spin

[brave dove]

Demeter attack, though you want it at heroic or epic, fish for Weed Killer to make up for the lower multiplier and just, spam the omega attack

[lilac arrow]

Oh never considered demeter for anything but tgats sounds decent

Lol i need the charm😭

[brave dove]

basically the freeze makes it safe for you to finish your spin and then start another and it's a Huge aoe on the last two spins

and weed killer more than makes up for the multiplier loss (and it's not terrible anyway on epic/heroic)

[lilac arrow]

Sick I was always scared the mulitplier so ive never picked her up for any runs

[willow phoenix]

Exceptional talent makes the O attack even better too since the damage will keep getting bigger with the longer duration

[glass shell]

theres always the special build on apollo, duplicate the special with his legendary and just infinitely heal - especially with giga cleaver.

[dim kelp]

How does Scalding Vapor work? Can Froth be re-applied while they’re engulfed in Steam? Can the Steam stack?

I keep not taking it because 100 DPS for 2s doesn’t seem worth clearing Froth if I’ve got a source of rapid hits like Gusts. Like, is it meant to be a way to take advantage of Froth if you don’t have a rapid proc for it?

[willow phoenix]

They can be reapplied with tidal ring but the steam will keep removing froth

Not sure if steam can stack since the vfx is pretty hard to see

But dps wise I've always found Steam to be superior to Froth even with like Gusts

From looking at the damage inflicted list

[dim kelp]

The steam itself removes Froth? Or just if you hit it with more fire? I guess if I have Scorch that’s gonna keep Froth cleared

[glass shell]

it removes froth but you can put it back on i believe

[willow phoenix]

If you have scorch and froth it will remove froth and create steam

[dim kelp]

Does the steam hit other enemies around the target?

[glass shell]

steam no longer benefits from it iirc as of the balance patch

[willow phoenix]

If you put froth again it will be removed again for steam, but dunno if that's multiple instance or just one

[dim kelp]

Yeah, that combo sounded wild

[glass shell]

it can stay on for a few seconds but you'd need slippery slope for it to consistently be up

[willow phoenix]

Only really usable with tidal ring tbh, since the rate steam removed froth is very fast

[dim kelp]

Alright, I’ll give it a try if I’m offered it

[willow phoenix]

Even then it's pretty much only like 1-2 froth procs per steam

[uneven palm]

I was going for Apollo’s legendary iirc so it’s nice to be able to take a big pile of Apollo boons and not worry about Denial’s forced core swaps possibly messing things up.

Also I just… don’t take Denial at 32 tbh now that there’s Rivals. Boons are fun and I’m also an avid Debt avoider. I think for sane people Denial is still relatively easy fear tho.

[west thunder]

What does the optimal combo look like for Morrigan?

[quartz parrot]

Special > dash > atack > after atack keep holding the atack for O atack

[brave dove]

incorrect buzzer noise

you're close, but iit's dash-special-hold attack

there's some weirder stuff you can do for double and triple combos but that's the basic fast combo

[quartz parrot]

But its almost the same no ? i use both

[brave dove]

yeah I mean in practice it's rarely quite that clean, but the dash into special then cancels into a dash attack and an instant-start omega attack charge

it's significantly faster than throwing the special first

[ember frigate]

Any tips to constantly get rush buff from apsect of supay without taking unnecessary damage/risk?

[quartz parrot]

What its always active ?

[stable herald]

yeah it just boosts the damage of whatever your rush boon is, don't need to do anything to activate it

best rush boons for Supay are Zeus, Hestia, and a decent rarity Demeter imo since you can just sprint continuously without having to dash again. Zeus gets good scaling too if you get the chance for double lightning strikes

Poseidon's is solid too since it's good upfront damage, but I'd only go for it if I'm trying to get Beach Ball. Which I still don't know if Beach Ball is buffed by Supay! I don't think it is but I haven't tested

[willow phoenix]

I think it does? Maybe

Imo Poseidon and Hestia are the best then Ares maybe if you can get all the duos

Demeter is ok but like the damage buff doesn't really matter once you get Air Quality. It is fun though when you get Tropical Cyclone with it

Zeus is ok ish too imo, like it's nice but doesn't really have room clear and the damage isn't really big unless you have like ransom

Hera is a meme but is kinda good for clearing rooms while having 0 damage vs bosses

Heph is not good but the damage is buffed so that's something

Aphro is okayish as well but probably needs stutter step and can do great with her legendary

[stable herald]

I like how Supay is the Rush boon weapon but its worst rush boon is Blinding Rush, which is otherwise my favorite rush boon in the game

[willow phoenix]

Imagine if it like buffs the movement speed

[willow phoenix]

Sadly it doesn't work vs Typhon now which I don't know if that's a recent thing or not lol

[olive tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1216700686079885332/1393626507951345754/image.png?ex=6873db53&is=687289d3&hm=15fb5d3b3c9325b6090fcaec72b4f468694420d17d15d7deafe73f41396fce63&

prometheus bullying simulator

[dim kelp]

YMMV, but I have found learning to play with auto-sprint has been helpful with sprint aspects. It takes some time to get used to canceling the sprint so you don’t careen into stuff when you only meant to dash, but dashing again from a sprint feels more responsive when I don’t have to hold the button down. Also, there’s no moment of sprint dropping when you take your finger off the button to trigger the dash, and that has been a big difference-maker for me.

I also found that I sometimes was too focused on hitting my sprint and insufficiently attentive to incoming damage that I needed to dash to avoid. If you’re having that issue too, just being more aware of it should help I think. But also, not holding the button down seemed to help my brain not focus in so hard on the sprint itself

[ember frigate]

Wait do you need a rush boon for a rush buff to work?

[strong matrix]

Anyone got any decent tips on beating empowered polyphemus? Because of the great AoE nature of the attacks I feel like I have to rush him, but the more the fight drags on, the more AoE is introduced, thus easier to be punished for rushed plays. Inb4 "git gud scrub"

[tough pasture]

tail of typhon doing more damage to you than typhon is kinda funny to me.

I get it. 285 runs with about 200 of them against chronos and I'm still getting hit by his spinning scythe.

[willow phoenix]

Uhh yes? Since it's buffing your rush boon, what else would it buff?

Oh are you confusing it with buff to your overall damage while rushing? It's just a buff to your rush boon damage

[willow phoenix]

If you have problems with poison you can just camp the curing spring ngl, it has like a 1.5s cd

Other than that, Medea always does 2 pattern for the area wide poisons and Polyphemus won't really hunt you in the fight so you can just choose your fight while dodging the aoe

[hollow tartan]

tail of typhon is the tail attack in the final phase too iirc (if there is one)

[willow phoenix]

Yes it counts differently even in the final fight somehow

[faint shale]

Does apollo legendary work on aspect of eos (umbral flames)?

[willow phoenix]

Yes but also no afaik. I remember someone saying the second daybreaker doesn't spawn specials with it but I haven't tried it myself

[dim kelp]

Pathing/positioning depends on what type of rush boon you have. Zeus and Demeter have a fairly generous range, so you can kinda play at the perimeter for safety. With Hestia, I usually focus on staying at the right range for my specials to hit reliably and kinda go for coverage, though stacking a lot of lava pools on your cast can be good.

Poseidon has a bit more risk in the sense that you have to smack into enemies, but the knockback offers more safety. I think the key is to avoid continuing to sprint into the knocked-back enemies, since you can’t proc the wave again unless you dash. Hera also requires smacking into enemies, but her rush only does damage when it applies Hitch, so I would prioritize any other Hitch boon over the rush.

Ares and Aphro incentivize dash-spam. Aphro gives you some extra safety in that you’ll be constantly applying Weak. In both cases, I think it’s important to understand the AoEs and kinda work angles to hit without ending up in front of your target. Dashing back and forth across their “back corners” can work well

[strong matrix]

What do you you guys think about the fear system so far? I feel very motivated to customize it to my current loadout compared to Hades 1, mostly due to the changes in combat and exploration. In Hades 1 I felt like the timelimit heat was mandatory and comparatively "easy", I'm much more reluctant to try it out here due to the resource hunting and the giant meadows area in the underworld path.

[willow phoenix]

I like how you don't even mention Heph rush lol

In a sense it's fairly limited in range anyway

[dim kelp]

Oh, I never go for that because the cooldown is so damn long

[willow phoenix]

Yea it's really bad

I tried doing a run with it but even on 3 seconds cd it was still kinda bad

[dim kelp]

I don’t understand why it’s so long for a 100 damage blast. And the scaling seems kinda bad? Like, I was doing some clang Persephone shenanigans, and my dash clang CD was always the longest, even when I picked it up at Epic. I didn’t keep careful track, but it didn’t seem like pomming it was doing that much

[willow phoenix]

Iirc it's pretty similar to the attack cd

So yeah pretty long for a dash with very little blast damage

[dim kelp]

Okay yeah, I checked the wiki, and while the dash has the lowest Common CD (10), the rarity scaling is only 1s, whereas the attack CD drops 2s per rarity level. So a Heroic level 1 clang attack (6s) has a shorter CD than a Heroic level 1 dash (7s) and does 3X the damage!

[barren galleon]

guys whats a generic really op cbuild for umbral flames aspect of melinoe

[willow phoenix]

Oh it's actually worse than the attack lol, that sucks

[dim kelp]

I want the version that has a no CD clang and spends magick back

[brave dove]

define 'really op'

[willow phoenix]

I like just putting a lot of on omega effect like Cut Above and Fine Line. Mel Flames aren't really that strong tbh but generic omega stuff still works great with it like with other non hidden torches

[barren galleon]

can beat chronos without too much work

[dim kelp]

Or, like, at least improve the rarity scaling to 2s. 10-8-6-4 would actually be decent I think

[barren galleon]

ccut above is?

[strong matrix]

I always like stuff that empowers my Ω attack, shorter cooldowns or general empowerments. That of course entails buffing the mana stat, and making sure you don't run out of it. Omega builds benefit from a good Selene buff. For dmg I like the jump power, and if I lack the ability to clear rooms, the polymorph one.

[willow phoenix]

Ares boon if you have met him

[barren galleon]

ARES IS IN THE GAMEEE

whatttt???? ye i havnt met my goat yet

[brave dove]

you need to reach the final boss of the surface then he starts showing up

[willow phoenix]

Play the surface

[barren galleon]

oh okkk

[dim kelp]

I’m pretty sure you can get 2s Pom levels on the attack too. I can’t remember if Heroic goes from 6s to 5 or 4s, but I’m pretty sure pomming an Epic attack goes from 8s to 6s

[willow phoenix]

Yeah both special and attack poms start with 2s

Interesting just how bad it is actually lol

Maybe sgg should just scrap the whole blast on rush thing and make it like dunno armored rush or something lol

In a way just comparing it to breaker rush already makes it clear how bad it is when breaker rush already does what it does with bigger damage, bigger aoe, and lower cd

[dim kelp]

Btw, speaking of dashes, I saw someone mention that the cast circle is foreshortened in the isometric perspective, but that the dash distance isn’t, so if you dash left-right from the center of your cast you’ll still be in it, but if you dash up-down you’ll leave it, which I had never noticed before. Now I’m wondering whether damage AoEs are foreshortened too? Can you get further away from threatening things by dashing up or down?

[brave dove]

my thought for making heph dash worth taking was to make blast clear projectiles in its aoe

[dim kelp]

Heph Rush is also kinda weird in that it procs after the dash part only, doesn’t proc if you’ve been sprinting. I kept forgetting that and wondering why no clangs were happening

[civic ocean]

Take the huntress arcana and make sure you always have more than five mana, and then take % damage increases and static shock on your attack

[dim kelp]

That’s an interesting idea, I like it!

[willow phoenix]

I would prefer if they just standardize blast cd and just make the scaling part the damage to put Heph out of this weird relationship with poms lol

[dim kelp]

It also doesn’t work with Wolf Howl’s rush boon upgrade, which is such a shame since that’s Heph’s godsent

I really hope they fix all the “applies the effect of your [move] boon” hex upgrades

[willow phoenix]

Most rush boons don't work with that tbh lol, which is why I wish they just change or scrap all of them

They already did with the Lunar Ray and the Skyfall one

[dim kelp]

Yeah, it’s just especially sad with Heph, because it would be one of very few ways to multiply his clangs

[willow phoenix]

Especially since it's his godsent too lol

I guess the Dark Side one could stay if they fixed it, but might be too op dunno

Like it's Aphro's godsent but both Aphro attack and special doesn't work with the 2 sublimes lol

[dim kelp]

Speaking of scaling, almost everything that improves clang damage is additive, so maybe that’s part of why the rush boon CD is so slow? Because it proportionately benefits more from Grand Caldera, Apollo duo, and the old Vent curse?

Hestia duo is 2X though, and that’s probably the best one

[willow phoenix]

The best one is back burner since it's % based lol

And not duo related

[dim kelp]

Oh, yeah, I meant the stuff that specifically benefits clangs

Back Burner is another reason that Smithy Rush sucks though, because Blinding Rush is the easiest way to proc Daze

[willow phoenix]

I just wish Blinding Rush works on Typhon lol

[olive sphinx]

it doesnt??? 😭

[willow phoenix]

Killed so many of my origination that way

[silent crow]

what

[olive sphinx]

what......... why doesnt it work? do any other rushes work? like aphro/hera rush?

[willow phoenix]

I don't think it reaches Typhon's hitbox?

[olive sphinx]

there's no way....

[willow phoenix]

I had a run where Origination was definitely not proccing due to that

[faint shale]

Im trying it out now and it feels very buggy it sends out THREE orbs. One pulse and copies specials, one only pulse, and one only deals damage only when it goes through enemies and also doesnt expire until encounter is over.

[willow phoenix]

Wait what three? That's funny

[dim kelp]

And, actually, if you have Blinding Rush, the Apollo duo is pretty decent, because it adds 200 damage to the clangs and clears Daze, but then you can pretty trivially re-apply it. I actually don’t know how that works with Back Burner though, whether it procs before daze is cleared

[strong matrix]

Sorry for the nooby question, but how do you deal with the triple boulder attack? I fail outrunning the AoE and find the pattern a bit hard to predict with my dashes. Any tips?

[pure grove]

Run far away then attempt to dodge. It gives you more time and space to dodge the waves and they also all merge into one line after a certain point

[willow phoenix]

I think that one got recently changed and is harder to dodge, you used to be able to just dash through them easily lol

So now imo you need to get more distance in order to dodge easier

[dim kelp]

My advice is to space yourself to somewhere you can stand still safely, and then dash towards the boulder to phase through the damage waves when it comes down. If you’re running around nervously, it’s easy to tap dash too early and get caught with it on CD

Trying to outrun any of Poly’s wave attacks is a good way to get hit multiple times. The regular slow-moving stomp circles can be out-ranged, but I would only try to do that if dashing into the circle is gonna get you poisoned

[willow phoenix]

It works with back burner I think, I've been getting really high blast damage with it and the backstab message is still there

[dim kelp]

Nice, that’s good to know

Here’s another question: how do the blasts work with large AoEs? I had a Persephone run where I had Heph attack and got Wide Grin, and I tried doing the cover-the-whole-screen Ω attack thing, and it kinda looked like everything in the combined landing zone was getting hit with the blast

But I’m not great at seeing the numbers while I’m actually playing, and my recording is screwed up currently, so I couldn’t go back to check

[willow phoenix]

I think it only triggers on a single unit that was first hit with blast, then any other unit that is also in the blast aoe would also get hit

[dim kelp]

I might have had Grand Caldera and been faked out by the increased blast AoE

[willow phoenix]

So the blast aoe is tied to the unit, which is why if that unit dies then the blast won't appear

Heph godsent seems to be the exception that it's a pure aoe

[dim kelp]

I hadn’t noticed that the blast doesn’t appear if the unit dies

[ripe jasper]

twilight curse went from a never pick to always pick for me

[willow phoenix]

It's pretty weird like that yeah

Twilight Curse is very strong, even just for the damage

With enough upgrades it's even like a second origination lol

[dim kelp]

Does it still go on CD in that case? Because I’ve had some experiences of not seeing/hearing a blast at all, but seeing the CD is ticking down after. It’s happened at the beginning of fights, even, when I definitely would not have already spent the CD

[ripe jasper]

with bonus damage to bosses + artemis hex crit + ares double damage you can do so much damage

[willow phoenix]

I think so

[dim kelp]

Gotcha, that explains it then

[dim kelp]

Remember when Twilight Curse didn’t deal damage and could also just fly into a tree and disappear?

[willow phoenix]

Now it's arguably the strongest hex lol, ah if only Zeus godsent works vs Typhon

Can't believe sgg is leaving it until 1.0 to fix that

[willow phoenix]

Can Twilight Curse damage actually crit? I'm curious since the damage is tied to the Morph curse rather than the hex itself

[ripe jasper]

yes it can

[willow phoenix]

Oh nice

[glass bone]

Ok, so I want to know the Power of Persephone Skull (maybe in a comparison to Mel Skull?) in Patches 9 and 10. How can I find what boons are and aren’t Pom-able?

[brave dove]

Trial and error

[glass bone]

No wiki page/website that lists it all?

[brave dove]

Feel like the h2 community are under the impression wikis are magic, sometimes.

[glass bone]

I mean, we are used to using magic.

But in all seriousness, Yes, I know it takes a lot of effort to create and maintain a wiki page, and that more work can be done. I just figured to ask if anyone has a resource for this.

Because the Hades 2 wiki on Fandom doesn’t have it from what I saw, and I don’t think the game itself says what can or cannot.

[brave dove]

All cores except tough gain, after that it's case by case, I can tell you

[glass bone]

**To be clear of the actual use case, the idea this time is to see in general, how often you’d see a “strong boon”. Not necessarily the perfect boon to be strong (because calculating the odds of finding certain rarities plus certain levels of just a few select boons per god maybe would be good, but probably not?)

I know at the very least a comparison between Patch 9 & Patch 10 Persephone skull (1/6 odds for Patch 9, per boon per level option, and a split of 50/16/14/12/6/2 per boon per level option in Patch 10). Math can be done to just say “How often will you find a boon of X level?”. That’s easy. The hard part is “How often will you find a boon of X level per god in different circumstances?”)

And then of course there is the weighing of rarities versus said levels.

[brave dove]

The probability explodes and givesnyou a headache the second pommable conditional boons such as pyro technique enter the picture imo

Which can only appear if you've taken specific other boons and is also pommable

Dying wish would be another, there's quite a few

[glass bone]

I think Sea Star is another.

[brave dove]

Sea star can be your first poseidon boon I think actually

[glass bone]

Oh. I meant the non-core boons with or without a condition

I got this inspiration from Pronto, seeing the different stats out, and thinking “Yes, it’s a nerf but also felt as though it was advertised as a bug fix, but I’m wondering A. how bad the difference is, and B. what a sweet spot can be considering the setup of 3 boons”.

And yes, I am realizing this is a fools effort, at-least with the Persephone part (the boon outliner is easier to do and could be nice as a resource to have).

[glass shell]

tbh most of my complaints is mostly in the fact its a 50% chance to NOT see a pom period

16% > 50% for no pom was massive, idc about getting a high level 6 pom off rip cause that was kinda disgusting how often it was

but just outright "yeah you will almost always have 1 being unpommed, if not more due to unpommables + the ones that are pommed are low level and likely only one of them pomm'd

[glass bone]

It is unfortunate. I agree with the baseline idea personally. Having most boons be in the 1-3 range seems like a good compromise.

[glass shell]

I did a feedback a few days ago showing screenshots of 10 fates used and like 9/15 boons weren't pomm'd https://imgur.com/a/Y5O0zVo

of those i think secret crush is unpommable?

so 9/14

[glass bone]

The one thing to note about old Persephone skull though, is there is still the chance of low rolls. For a run without stuff like Debt, the Onion, or Denial, getting so many high rolls is waaaaaaaaay too ridiculous, possibly on par with Medea’s extremely strong consistency. But when there’s limits on the number of boons, there’s a chance that you don’t roll well on the specific boon you’re looking for.

[glass shell]

correct there was still a 1/6 to get level 0

[glass bone]

But then there’s the whole topic of Fate Die, and this argument falls a bit.

[glass shell]

but 16%> 50%..... is a massive shift. especially when considering rerolls yeah.

if anything you'd be incentivized to not reroll anymore with persephone if you had any high rolls cause statistically you will go from level 4 with a meh boon to level 0 with a good boon.... is that worth? idk

before i knew it was bugged i expected them to make the cap level 5 tbh

not this monstrosity

[glass bone]

The other thing I’d like to say is that in the example above, that Flutter Flourish is equivalent to an Epic Boon. So now I am thinking about it, Persephone Skull definitely needed to be fixed. Although I get that it’s unintended, A. I kind of don’t like the fact it was “disguised” as a bug fix, and B. the Pom floor is really low.

Figuring out the exact fair numbers though would require tools players don’t usually have (i.e. the code formulas of each boon).

[glass shell]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1392318787487006792/1392709012864106508/image.webp?ex=6873d097&is=68727f17&hm=3029948a309700dda34b17f59ce6a75a36d2a2b2ba0532a634587b8ea8c2653c&=&format=webp&width=194&height=258

The level 6 distribution is much more fair, though its a level 6 so it kinda has to be

[glass bone]

Wait, there was a chance of boons at levels beyond 6?

[glass shell]

no, level 6 persephone via heph legendary

[glass bone]

Oh

[glass shell]

which increases the pom variable from 0-9

[glass bone]

Level 6 Persephone skull seems strong on paper, but getting the Legendary doesn’t retroactively apply the buffs. The later you get it, the worst it’ll be (unlike basically all other aspects).

But if it is obtained early, then that’s extremely strong

[glass shell]

yeah its.... a choice.

with how big the reqs are you don't really get it til late, which means more support boons which is where the majority of unpommables are

lowkey would've been the perfect thing for old natural selection now that i think about it 🤔

tldr i just really think it should be weighing toward "poms" more than no poms on the aspect that is literally "give you poms" as the aspect bonus. Sprouted is strong but kinda forgotten

level 6 could be the one that eliminates level 0 for all i care and the current 5 could be 30% no pom 70% pom spread out lower

[glass bone]

Would reworking the weapon to add levels after an encounter be too strong?

[glass shell]

every encounter? mmmm

[glass bone]

I figured a percent chance at first, but that would probably be worse

[glass shell]

40~ minimum rooms so mimimum 40 poms, up to like 52~ if we count max side rooms and stuff

minus like 5-10 to account for npcs and non ecnounters like shops ig

[civic ocean]

It's extremely high value with some variance

[glass shell]

i wanna say stronger in general because you can curate your starter boon and just turbo pom it ignoring gods

[civic ocean]

Like let's not forget that Persephone also does a completely other extremely strong thing

[glass shell]

ill be honest, sprouted is an afterthought. Its extremely strong to spam the o-special but the draw for me is using the POMS

Nobody cared about persephone before this patch for a reason even when it had ospec damage as a benefit

they could unironically just remove the sprouted duration and just say "you can control your ospecial and it'd be more or less the same aspect imo

[civic ocean]

I did and still do, Persephone if you do it right gets to be immune to like everything

Sprouted can go through Chronos' time bubbles

[glass shell]

yeah its iframes with a bubble

[brave dove]

sprouted is genuinely extremely strong is the thing

that players don't pay attention to it doesn't mean SGG shouldn't account for it in balancing

[glass shell]

i mean theres clearly a reason they reworked and buffed it when sprouted was its whole thing 🤷‍♂️

[civic ocean]

The rework wasn't even necessarily a buff, the cast damage was very powerful

It's just different now

It was arguably changed entirely for lore reasons - Persephone is associated both with poms of power and with the uniting of Olympians and the underworld

(within the lore of Hades 1, I mean)

[lilac arrow]

Lol

[civic ocean]

I mean it is super fun to go gambling for level 6 red heph strike

[spiral wadi]

me playing staff again is really making me realize how uniquely bad staff omegas are in that it's unoptimal to use especially for trying to get hex runs going

didn't realize how bad they were lmao

[turbid mantle]

what curses generally last the longest/are easiest to keep on an enemy for a long time? for the purpose of procing origination

[stable herald]

really anything except Heph's glow and sometimes Hestia's Scorch is easy to apply and keep on

Scorch really wants to be built up fast if you want the most uptime for it, and Pyro Technique makes it clear faster. Which is still generally good, but works against Freezer Burn (unless you also get Burning Desire). Glow sucks because you can't apply it while your blast is on cooldown

[turbid mantle]

appreciate!!

[spiral igloo]

a really good build i found is aphrodite/hestia duo with aphrodite/poseidon so you get scorch always being applied. i did that with aspect of persephone which is broken to sweep the first 3 underworld rivals and chronos

[turbid mantle]

does drunken stupor only apply once per foe? or once per omega move?

[uneven palm]

Once per foe

[turbid mantle]

shucks

[faint shale]

How am i supposed to use shiva aspect? Its so magick heavy and omega attacks only feels good to use on bosses

Aphro attack, apollo special, demeter cast, hera magick?

[barren galleon]

just unlocked the moros aspect any advice

[civic ocean]

I don't play moros but I hear it's zeus special hera attack

[barren galleon]

oh okkk

[turbid sundial]

Generally speaking if you're after magick then Born Gain and (if you're really desperate) Hecuba are the way to go. Regardless I'd look at the duo boons you could get; at first glance your core boons don't synergise very well. I'll be the first to admit though that I'm not the most knowledgeable on Hades II so I'm more than happy to be proved wrong!

[tough pasture]

Uh, friends....is it possible to have as many as 3 daybreaks on eos active simultaneously? (As in roaming around?)

I ask because that's exactly what happened during the cerebeus fight. After defeating cereberus, I tried to do multiple daybreaks and couldn't do it. (I was so astounded by what I was seeing that I did a double take during the cereberus fight and make sure I was seeing it clearly.)

So...that seems like a glitch, no?

[faint shale]

The idea is to spam omega specials, absorb them, gain stacks to do a big omega attack hit. And aphro got the highest % damage, apollo special makes the area bigger (and also apollo legendary will help a lot), demeter cast to just freeze so you dont take a million hits while trying to stay in the omega special circle. Then born gain for quick magick access

demeter also got weed killer for the omega attack

[turbid sundial]

Thanks, I've always hated using the axe because it's so slow but I'll try it out!

[faint shale]

shiva aspect is for the jetpack Ive not used the axe much recently, but aphro attack and apollo special is still good for most of the axe aspects i think.

[near forum]

so speaking of aspect of anubis, i understand that the special is the main focus but i like the attack a lot, hope that we get a way to increase att power like a icarus hammers or reverse arcana to make builds with the att and oatt

[elfin forge]

huh?

[faint shale]

Its omega bugged with apollo legendary. I reported it in-game today

[elfin forge]

the attack is really good already on anubis

[near forum]

is it? when i build , it feels underwhelming to me, very clucky and it doesnt output enough against guardians, feels like it isnt worth it to line up the oatt while dashing despite it small area, for me a lil more base power from hammers or other sources would fix that

the o spec is great but the att i basically ignore it unless i wanna proc origination

[elfin forge]

I was using Hestia attack, not omega attack. Was very strong.

[faint shale]

With apollo legendary it sends out 3 balls. One main ball that works normally, one ball that does pulse and pass-through damage (doesnt copy specials), and then one ball that only does pass-through damage but it doesnt expire. I had like 6 or 7 balls that didnt expire vs chronos

[near forum]

do you get to the rivals chronos and typhon with that?

[elfin forge]

yeah, beat both of them with just hestia attack and running away

except rivals typhon you don't really got to run away

[near forum]

maybe i just suck , im trying 20 fear but i cannot get pass them w anubis

[elfin forge]

cast->hestia attack->zeus special spam to apply blitz
very effective

for normal rooms I just cast attack and ran around, grabbing revenants, dodging, and shooting the ghosts

I got my clears done at 35 fear so they can definitely go the distance

[near forum]

its just that o spec and spec seem good but i like the thing of the o att about controling where it lands by dashing in the last moment and i want something more focussed on att, feels like its very focused on spec but the att looks cooler and the hammers w the ghosts are cool but not really that useful w the weapon

[elfin forge]

I know the ospec is an absolute nuke

[near forum]

ill try what you said anyhow

[elfin forge]

I also played with wards 1 on so ospec was kinda disincentivized

[near forum]

thanks for the info

[elfin forge]

I never bothered with oattack, good damage but small area(except on cerb and typhon)

[near forum]

its cool to charge and then dash to control the position but its not that strong

[elfin forge]

you also want to dash attack in general, it speeds up the animation

[near forum]

i saw sowbody use the dio boon that gives you 100 power on the next move and i thought it would be cool if we had something early to make hera or zeus atts better by increasing the att power

[elfin forge]

there is an attack power hammer for anubis

it's like, +5 power I think

[near forum]

I hadnt tried that yet either

[elfin forge]

Soulfilled Ankh: Your Attacks have +5 Power and hit a larger area.

[near forum]

yeah but it i not garanteed

[elfin forge]

yeah

[near forum]

if there were icarus hammers focused on power or reverse arcana that weakened spec and strengthened att or viceversa or gave power it would be cool

[elfin forge]

I did say there was hammer that focused on power though

they might do reverse arcana but I doubt it

[near forum]

yeah but i mean maybe changing the base hammers into a pool of new icarus hammers to make it more garanteed idk

[elfin forge]

huh?

[near forum]

like when in hades 1 we had that mirror of night change

and give diff stuff

[elfin forge]

the mirror didn't do anything for hammers

[near forum]

yeah but i meant maybe there could be a reverse arcana that changed the hammers of daedalus for hammers of icarus and those could be diff haammers that could affect the hammer pools

just a wild idea

[elfin forge]

hm I doubt it. I also doubt there will be inverse arcana incoming personally

[near forum]

yeah , one can dream

anyhow thanks for the conversation and listening, im gonna go now

byee

[glass shell]

you had apollo legendary, its a bug

only two of them were doing anything the 3rd was just sitting there taking up space but doing nothing

[tough pasture]

Interestingly, while I did have apollo in my olympian pool I had only his cast and light smite. I didn't have his legendary in this run.

I can't figure out what caused 3 different daybreaks to appear simultaneously in the cerberus fight.

[tough pasture]

But I didn't.

[magic axle]

what are soem good builds to start out with, I've been mainly just spamming Hestia on the attack with the flames and I havent found any other good combos

[tough pasture]

-1. zeus-demeter duo (aka hail storm), demeter's freeze also inflicts blitz from zeus (goes crazy against waves of enemies if you also have static shock from zeus)

-2. zeus-hestia duo (aka thermal dynamics), zeus blitz also inflcts hestia's scorch

-3. zeus-hephaestus duo (aka master conductor), zeus chain lightning deals more damage per bounce

if you get duo #1 or 2, duo #3 goes CRAAAZY.

If you get all 3 duos, you can cheese through the game even on high fear (32+)

[magic axle]

ok thanks!

[tough pasture]

what weapons have you unlocked? some aspects are better suited for some duo combinations (as in they can be more frequently applied)

[magic axle]

all of the base ones, and then thanatos, artemis, moros, nyx

[tough pasture]

Try moros with zeus special, demeter attack, hestia cast.

My chain of inputs: zeus omega special > hestia cast > demeter attack

[magic axle]

ok, any specific duos or legendaries?

and also should I stick to % damage amplifiers on slow heavy attacks and flat damage addons on fast light attacks like in h1

[tough pasture]

Yeah, once you have zeus special + demeter attack, you should get offered their duo hail storm. Also get static shock from zeus (provided you have enough magick, you'll have to prime 50 magick because it's so powerful and effective at clearing enemies).

Go from there...you'll be able to add on other duos (like zeus-hestia duo thermal dynamics)

[tough pasture]

Not always but that's one approach.

in hades 2, the olympian pool is much larger. (You can have 5 olympians in most runs so you can frequently get 4 duo boons if you pick the right combos).

You'll be doing so much damage simultaneously that it doesn't matter as much.

There are many more sources of damage in hades 2 than in hades 1:
-attack
-omega attack
-special
-omega special
-cast
-omega cast
-dash
-sprint
-hex
-revenge
-revived summons
-animal familiar

last 2 are infrequent but they're there...

[elfin forge]

yeah basically

Zeus and Ares are used more for combo weapons where you use both attack and special

[tough pasture]

question about supay's devil sparks: it says it fires automatically but is that just for special or for attack and special?

[silent crow]

both

[tough pasture]

Thanks. Yeah, I just realized this. When I took hera hitch on attack, her hitch wasn't frequently connecting with enemies so I was confused. But it's working a lot better in the fields and in tartarus.

[willow phoenix]

The attacks are not that good at spreading status generally, but it's still good for something like freeze or blitz

[tough pasture]

Yep. I'm realizing that now.

Btw, do you have a good suggestion for hel aspect? I don't like the build I have with apollo special. I'm trying it out for the first time right now and it doesn't feel good at all.

Also, I don't see the point of shiva aspect. I don't see why anyone would take shiva aspect over the other 3 coat aspects. I think shiva should be reworked to something entirely different.

[terse hemlock]

I had success with Hel using poseidon attack + froth and demeter special on 20 fear

[tough pasture]

Interesting. Thanks. I've tried nearly all the combinations in this game but that's one of the remaining ones I haven't. Did you have any duo boons? Anything on cast? Any hammers? Did you have a hex?

[terse hemlock]

Man I forgot. Im pretty sure I havent had any on my cast. hammers, I had two. One that extends range and attack damage and one that makes attack bounce to another target. Hex? Most likely not. Too lazy to pay attention if my hex is active and press another button, except if Im using Selene coat

[willow phoenix]

Hel is generally just put poseidon on attack then static shock and put Hera/Apollo/Ares/Aphro/Dem on special

Shiva feels better with just O attack spam and Apollo attack imo. The destruction gimmick is not worth bothering and you can just spam that O attack. For bosses you can use Night and O special then O attack

The only way to actually use destruction above 1 stack properly is just Counter Supreme imo

Imo Shiva is lowkey fun and even great despite the aspect scaling not mattering lol, simply because of how it's moveset is just better than base coat

[tough pasture]

poseidon attack on hel, eh? Got it.

I just did a run with apollo heroic on hel special plus two hammers (reduced magick plus more power iirc) for the special and it...was awful. (That said I think I picked the wrong olympian for it. I assumed that apollo's percentage boost would be worth it and it was not.) The vaklyrie ability felt terrible. I think demeter's freeze (especially with hail storm would be much better.)

I ended up using my cast waaaaaaaaay more because I had demeter freeze on cast with hail storm (thanks to zeus attack).

[willow phoenix]

Yeah Valkyrie is a bit short but that can also be good since the O special is pretty strong

[grave forge]

Hel with the Hera special is ljke
Good for crowds

[terse hemlock]

O special works good with wolf howl.

[tough pasture]

Not being able to control/guide the omega special valkyrie feels terrible to me. <shrug>

I get that it's chasing enemies but...at times the pathing felt very off. And I can't imagine it's worth using on high fear (32+) given the magick cost (espeically without the hammer that reduces it).

[willow phoenix]

Tbh Hel is like my least favorite hidden aspect ngl, although maybe I don't like Nergal more due to the low damage but at least Nergal feels more fluid

[tough pasture]

Agree. fluidity is big for me in the hades games and I just don't see the appeal of hel. (I totally get that some people click with certain aspects.)

Ex: for the longest time, I couldn't see the appeal of the coat aspects. Nothing "clicked" for me with those aspects in my mind. But recently I'm coming around to nyx a lot.

[tough pasture]

is the big change of the shiva attack's omega attack that player avatar lurches forward (instead of getting pushed back in the melinoe base)?

Does it truly make a big difference?

[willow phoenix]

Yeah it's pretty big, with Apollo Attack you can clear rooms pretty easily and launch O attack from a safe distance

Maybe the damage is also different? Not sure

Imo Hel needs to have a viable way to play with O attack then it'd be more interesting

[tough pasture]

Oh, that's right. I keep forgetting that apollo's AOE is big. Now that I reflect on my last run, I realize I took apollo on hel aspect for the AOE but that turned out to be a major disappointment.

[willow phoenix]

Apollo's aoe increase a bit weird that it affects certain things much more

Like it's noticeably much much bigger for skull O attack and coat O attack

While for Nergal slams it's pretty negligible

[tough pasture]

Agree.

Like in hades 1, I want to get to a certain point where I can do 32+ fear runs with all the aspects. But I realized that some aspects are just better for super high fear (40+) and ultra fear (50+).

Ex: I don't see hel ever being as good as eos much less moros or supay or medea.

[tough pasture]

Interesting, So the AOE size isn't consistent. I didn't know/realize that.

[willow phoenix]

Maybe it's like percentage based or something, but coat O attack does feel a bit like an outlier with how big it is

[tough pasture]

Yo, you weren't kidding. The AOE of apollo on shiva o attack is ENORMOUS. Like...LOLWUT?!?!?

In the very first room of erebus it was ridiculously large.

[willow phoenix]

Right? Meanwhile on skull o special it's barely bigger lol

[tough pasture]

I'm playing on a 34inch wide monitor so I have 3440 X 1440 monitor. (I can see more on this monitor than I can when I'm using laptop especially during boss battles.)

And these apollo blasts in erebus are taking up an easy 1/4 of the field (and sometimes look as large as 1/3) as I lurch forward from one end of the room to the other. Wow.

[hasty patrol]

anybody got medea biulds for me to try out

[elfin forge]

there's thisreally unique one called zeus special and a good attack

[willow phoenix]

That sounds better than the unique build for mel skull that consists of just good attack

[civic ocean]

true, dem attack is good

[spiral wadi]

with circe aspect, does dem's omega cast boon count double for both casts as long as ur standing in one of them, or only the cast ur standing on

[willow phoenix]

It should work for only the cast you're standing on? But haven't really confirmed it tbh lol

Sounds like janky programming if it works for both if you only stand on one lol

[spiral wadi]

fair, i figured it would apply to both but ye would have to test

[wise knot]

What is the point of Aspect of Morrigan (knife) specials by themselves?

They feel too weak, especially compared to the slower but beefed up attack.

[civic ocean]

IIRC it works for every cast you are standing in

[spiral wadi]

i meant if ur standing in one cast, will demeter's double effect still apply to both casts

[civic ocean]

No, I don't think so. But it WILL work for both if if you are standing in both

[rich belfry]

how can i have ares boons on selene aspect as a godsent ?

[brave dove]

start sword hilt

[eternal sparrow]

I am currently trying out aspect of morrigan. Does the blood triad damage scale with any boons? I am trying to think of what build could work with it.

[pseudo sequoia]

it doesn't scale with anything, no, the general strategy with morrigan is getting blood triad activated as frequently as possible

there are hammers that affect it (one that increases the damage and one that adds a probability of it activating twice) and heph legendary increases it but otherwise 777 is all you're getting

[willow phoenix]

#h2-feedback message
@long pollen
This upgrade got scrapped, it's no longer in the game

Btw it was also bugged in the way that it didn't actually apply any %damage upgrade from your attack boon so honestly it was never that good outside of like Hera or Zeus attack lol

[long pollen]

Oh

i'll go ahead and delete that lol

[willow phoenix]

It's replaced with +30% damage to bosses

[long pollen]

are you sure about that latter thing? i could swear i always felt immediate damage impact when using it with aphrodite in runs last patch

[willow phoenix]

yea it doesn't really work with Aphro

same with all the apply attack/special/rush upgrades in other hexes

[long pollen]

that's wack

[willow phoenix]

they're all 'buggy' and only really applies effects or curses, not %damage

[long pollen]

i kinda wish you could abandon path of stars points to avoid taking the upgrades with downsides

[willow phoenix]

honestly same since some of the upgrades are just straight up downgrades lol, like with the buggy Dark Side sublime or Night Bloom Confluence

[glossy rivet]

is shiva omegaspecial spam build good

[willow phoenix]

uhh no unless you're also doing hexes
Spamming O attack is better

[glossy rivet]

whats the strat for making best use of omega attack? should i go for max destructive or nah bc its overkill vs armor usually right

[brave dove]

There's that one hammer

[glossy rivet]

do i go full charge or is partial charge oatk better

[brave dove]

I believe the maths works out that each rank of destructive is worth X damage, the value doesn't improve if you stack ranks. So yeah, avoiding overkill is the main concern.

Main reason to stack to max would be to fish for the Big Crit with something like Night + Shadow Pounce

[willow phoenix]

it's not really worth going above 1 stack imo, for most mobs you can even ignore stacking destructive since they just die
Partial or full charge depends on enemy too, if they die from partial charge then just release it

[glossy rivet]

is max destructive for bosses then i guess

[willow phoenix]

not really too lol, like imo it's just better if you use O special then O attack for bosses to fish for Night crit
6 stacks just takes too much time without like Counter Supreme

[glossy rivet]

dang

what boons should i take to make best use of shiva then
aphro?

also since destructive is % based maybe aphro atk is not needed?

[willow phoenix]

Apollo on attack by a long shot

the aoe for the O attack gets huge

[glossy rivet]

hmmm

[willow phoenix]

and there's apollo legendary too

[glossy rivet]

special for curse? hera spec mayb

[willow phoenix]

yeah it doesn't really matter

[atomic ibex]

Best Shiva build is to get Apollo Attack, Apollo Legendary, a strong Born Gain, and Weed Killer if you can afford it. Then, fire a o special, and charge the o attack while standing in the radius. Apollo Legendary will cause you to get to 2 stacks of destructive, so an extra 150% damage.

You want the Night Arcana for the Crit chance. Best Hammers are Counter Supreme (only reason to be going for max stacks) and the ones that make you attacks larger

[glass shell]

is raki the best pet or hecuba for the mana to get more o-specials?

[fickle glade]

kicking off near combo. Or range behind the enemy from a far. You can get close and throw the dagger for instant then run

Best way to build revenge run is trinity combo Apollo - Zeus - Ares right? Then after that Hestia?

[atomic ibex]

I prefer Hecuba, since Shiva has the highest Magick usage on the game

[glossy rivet]

can omega attack hit more than one target? how does the hitbox work

can it hit an enemy behind another enemy?

[atomic ibex]

It can. The Shiva omega attack is much bigger than it seems, it can even hit enemies behind Melinoe

[barren galleon]

i asked this yesterday but didnt get a definitive answer as that person hadnt used the weapon as much but for aspect of moros umbral flames whats a good build

[uneven palm]

Any percent attack, any status on special, lots of magick recovery. Hera/Zeus good but it’s a strong aspect nearly anything works.

If you don’t know how to use it: Omega special, then hold attack. You can dash while attacking, so do that if you’re about to get hit

Can also cast while holding attack

[barren galleon]

thank u chieff

[barren galleon]

so aphrodite would be good on attack?

[uneven palm]

She’s fine, just stay close ish to your ghostie bombs

[sage flame]

apollo attack >>>>>> is my fav cause the aoe is so big

[uneven palm]

Apollo is awesome yah. Moros is just strong tho I think I have a 50f somewhere with like a common Hestia attack

[sage flame]

is hera attack even still the usual pick anymore since not all the attacks pierce now

or do moros still pierce

and only mel and eos got that treatment

[wise knot]

thanks for the answer!

Yes, the trio revenge boon is the best. You can pick Hestia for a chance at Apollo's duo or Aphro for weak for extra survivability and extra hp

[uneven palm]

I’ll have to check that. Even if they didn’t pierce explosions spread Hitch

[sage flame]

yeah i used to always take hera attack on moros so I wasn't sure if it had changed at all with the torch changes

[civic ocean]

You could do ares ig

[sly plaza]

Been running this a lot. It’s so fun 😭

Like I wish the Shiva omega attack was just the default for the coat

I really like the forward charge

[glass shell]

yeah its super cool and thematic

[willow phoenix]

Moros still pierce

[willow phoenix]

@wooden plinth if you're curious to what fire damage heat rush reduces, it only reduces fire damage on the ground like from oil spills, fire barrels, and the lingering flame from 2 of Prometheus' attacks. The two attacks are the line eruption and the circle flame thing, both leaves fire on the ground for a long time. It only reduces the damage from the lingering flame and not the initial impact too

I do agree it's just a weird thing to put on the boon since it's not that useful anyway and can be misleading lol

[glass shell]

.... does it not reduce the damage from cerb lava?

[willow phoenix]

oh yeah I forgot cerb has that too lol

[glass shell]

or is that already 1 damage

[willow phoenix]

anyway yeah also fire on the ground

you can tell by the fire effect on the bottom of the screen appearing

like the one that appears during Hestia godsent, which is also confusing why they decided to use the same effect lol

[wooden plinth]

yeah, like I said, I don't actually expect all flame attacks from Prometheus (or Cerberus, for that matter) to be reduced to 1. but if it's going to be listed on there like a benefit, at least make the benefit worthwhile. even a reduction to 1 HP/second for ground flames would be big. I don't think it's too much to ask for the boon description to be accurate (or at least better than misleading).

[glass bone]

Since Heat Rush sets the damage to 1, wouldn’t that mean that said damage is the same for any Vow of Pain ranks?

Unless it’s rounding up AND applies after Heat Rush, in which case all of that damage would still be 2 than 1 compared to Pain rank 0.

[willow phoenix]

does vow of pain actually increase ground fire damage though?

[wooden plinth]

it only sets the damage to 1 for ground flames, so I don't think it would apply. But I'll be the first to admit that I haven't studied this as thoroughly as those of you who frequent this channel

[glass bone]

Nevermind, shouldn’t do anything. The wording of Pain is Foes. And I don’t think the flames are considered a foe.

[wooden plinth]

I don't think it does. Either that or that's another misleading description to be corrected. Gods help me the day the ground is considered a foe 😂 😭

[glass shell]

IIRC the exact damage forumula is step 1 : if fire with flame walk set damage to 1

[glass bone]

Then it ends the damage calculation?

[willow phoenix]

honestly it wouldn't be that wild for heat rush to reduce fire damage to 0, like how many people are really picking Heat Rush outside of Supay lol

[glass shell]

thats basically what my feedback just now was for, and explicitly stating environmental hazards

[glass bone]

Ok, got it

[wooden plinth]

@glass shell I just saw your suggestion in the feedback channel for Heat Rush, I really like it!

[glass shell]

thx

[pine wind]

that's so bizarre that Frosty happens after Paid Dues and Brave Face

[civic ocean]

And tough gain

[glass shell]

to be fair, i wouldn't be shocked if thats a relic of pre nerf FV

[pine wind]

yeah, that makes sense. hope it gets swapped before launch

[willow phoenix]

Paid Dues should really be the last

like it going even before Brave Face is just funny lol

[glass shell]

paid dues should probably just get reworked or grant bonus money like quick buck or something

cause my god do you just sit at 0 obels

[willow phoenix]

#h2-feedback message
@blazing junco do you have auto fire on in the options?

[woeful moth]

Does 50% bonus damage from huntress on hel worth it?

[stable herald]

It's 50% bonus damage so yeah

[woeful moth]

how do I share image in this channel? I just don't know which arcana to give up then

https://imgur.com/a/KP5njsn

[sage flame]

depending on how you feel with bosses you can take lovers out and then maybe messenger to maybe pick up furies? idk what youre playing for/what you struggle with so its still a lot up to you

i think messanger is really cool and fun but i dont see my getting tons of use out of it

[civic ocean]

Probably messenger wayward is fine to cut

Or if you are specifically running Huntress you can cut Sorc

[uneven palm]

Huntress on Hel isn’t gonna do a ton. Those attacks are pretty low base power and it doesn’t do anything for Omegas

[civic ocean]

What is it like 10 damage a hit?

[uneven palm]

Yeah I think that’s right

[timber pawn]

Believe it's 20 but the concept is still true, huntress doesn't add a whole lot

[civic ocean]

Its base 20 huntress would add like 10 or smth right

Of course you should probably just get on-hit effects anyways

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773298528310001716/1394098356007211068/clip.mp4 never using aphro cast again

[real rune]

I think i'm starting to see Supay's strength

Went hera special, ares attack, hestia dash and just had the most casual 10 fear rivals 3 underworld clear

Max upgraded the weapon after said run so i can experiment more with it

[opaque hull]

Does Poseidon’s splash hit twice with the staff’s daedalus hammer “mirrored thrasher” (attacks hit twice but use 5 magic)

[uneven palm]

Yeah, although I haven’t personally tested that this patch

[junior trail]

id assume they add a cooldown into it just like pan

[gusty ore]

If you put Poseidon on Anubis special does it still pull foes in?

[spiral wadi]

i got rivals chronos time-stopped for a bit by his own hourglass enemy, nice

i got so much good staff clips to edit together even if none of them made it to see a win, still had some busted builds

[forest oxide]

Do you guys like Demeter special on Supay? Or is the Zeus special always preferable

[spiral wadi]

max grit/hordes not being too much of a problem anymore is crazy tho i still need to work on saving more time for chronos' fight (and it's very tough when i can't practice tartarus/chronos as easily as the earlier regions)

[willow phoenix]

Zeus is better for attack now imo since blitz scales better on attack

Demeter is fine on special, the the damage is decent since the special now works well with %damage

[forest oxide]

Thanks a lot! What’s your best loadout for Sup?

[willow phoenix]

Tbh a lot of stuff works well with it, but I usually like putting
Poseidon/Hestia on dash
Zeus/Dem/Hestia on attack
Hera/Ares/Dem on special

I start with the dash boon then just run with the gods available, your dash boon should be able to carry you in biome 1 and 2.

It's worth considering the available duos from your god pool and any possible synergies from it. For example, Romantic Spark makes Zeus and Aphro a really good combo for Supay, since you can keep sprinting and applying blitz at the same time

[forest oxide]

I see - yeah dash is great, especially with beach ball. It really carries. Since the patch I’ve been doing Poseidon on attack and Zeus on special but I ought to switch it up again. Haven’t tried Ares on special actually that sounds fun, thanks!

[topaz meteor]

I did a recent run with Zeus on attack and Demeter on special, + their duo, it was crazy good

[glass shell]

Huh that makes me wonder, does hail storm with with godsent demeter?

[willow phoenix]

No demeter godsent is not freeze, it's just dps

It works with air quality though which is decent, like 1k+ damage to all enemies

[trim plank]

Can Hephaestus' core boons crit if I use like, Artemis daggers?

[willow phoenix]

It can crit but I don't think it works with Artemis daggers

[trim plank]

Awww,,,

[split igloo]

its been awhile i do a lazer moon hex build

got full upgraded that deal 5k damage lol

[willow phoenix]

Let me present you with
https://youtu.be/GChoH6GzCyM?si=lEVF_Unl1Q_3HLEV

[split igloo]

ngl lunar ray and meator strike probably deal the most damage

i still cant find value for wolf hound though

[willow phoenix]

With Godsent it's probably
Lunar Ray and Skyfall for top damage, then Dark Side, then Twilight Curse and Total Eclispe, then Wolf Howl

[split igloo]

wolf hound need a buff tbh mostly i used it for mobility really not for damage lol

[willow phoenix]

I just want the godsent to deal blast damage on every enemies hit, not this weird aoe blast in the middle

[split igloo]

true

but it does give good invulnerability but got outclassed by twilight curse lmao

i legit twightlight curse with the skull and imortal forever lol

[tall notch]

it's still a good mobility tool though

[split igloo]

but tbf i rather take 10second of taking no damage

than a mobility that enemies still can hit me if they got lucky

[tall notch]

Wolf Howl is a hex that even with no investment gives you a good mobility tool, I think it's a fine place for it to be, we already have hexes that want you to invest in them for an entire run to be the most op button press ever

[split igloo]

fair

[long pollen]

i have achieved an invulnerability build. i genuinely do not need to dodge

in fact i deal more dps if i don't

[woeful moth]

When selling bridal glow is there a chance for it to be reoffered(with denial on) and will I lose it's effect if I sell?

[glass shell]

Yes, you only remove boons you don't pick.

Buying a boon means it never got removed, and selling it just puts it back in the pool

You don't lose the effect, mb i missed that part

[sly plaza]

The world’s angriest hug 😭

[faint shale]

https://imgur.com/JRF7nWg I always forget to use the power shot

The hidden aspects are a lot of fun. Wish we would get more

[glass shell]

unless something changed you can turn on the autofire setting and it will always give you powershot

haven't had it this update but thats how it worked back in warsong

[broken lichen]

Are there any indicators on whether an enemy attack is blockable or not by the Coat?
I kept second guessing myself whenever I charge attacks

[ember frigate]

if running aspect of supay
better to use poms on hestia attack or zeus special?

[uneven palm]

Are you running out of Scorch stacks? Then Pom Hestia. Otherwise Zeus

[barren galleon]

guysss whats best aspect ona xe

on axe

[brave dove]

there's a case for all of: nergal, thanatos, charon

[barren galleon]

how about boon wise

[brave dove]

mel axe is probably the best to get your first clear on, so it's not like it's being left out

that really depends on what you're playing and how you like to play

and also what fear you're playing at and your level of experience, are you looking for a first clear here or a statue or what?

[barren galleon]

first clear

but i am not very good at the game lol

[brave dove]

if your mel axe is decently upgraded, take that + frinos + persistence for a massive hp buffer

stick aphro on attack and fish for a source of weak to give you More effective hp, chase centaur hearts and chaos boons, be sure to take Wayward Son in your arcana

it might still take you a few tries, but you'll find yourself having a lot more room to learn boss moves with

[woeful moth]

Question, since when stepping on fire floor you get insta dmg?

[barren galleon]

i thought it was apollo for best attack on axe

[brave dove]

this is a specific quirk of having hestia dash, iirc

[brave dove]

apollo gives you more room to maneuver but hera and aphrodite are both better damage

apollo special is BiS for Charon if you find Charon fun but Charon's a quite specific playstyle very different from the rest of axe — it's a spellcaster build, essentially

you only ever use your attack to like, stagger something or last hit

[barren galleon]

AHH ok what about mel axe special

[brave dove]

regular axe you usually use the special to cancel your attack combo out of the big chop (which, while good damage, is usually dangerous to use and you only wanna commit to it when it's both safe and not overkill)

[glass shell]

the special not does not exist functionally as a combat tool for anything non charon

You can use it for animation canceling purposes but thats about it

[brave dove]

so anything with a decent curse, zeus is the best, poseidon with slippery slope is solid

[worn oriole]

Does anyone know if there is an indication of when the water spouts in the rivals Sirens fight activate (by Roxy)? Might be missing something here bc I get thrown around and chunked for a billion HP without knowing why

[glass shell]

they aren't timing based, they are proximity based. Step into the area they start shooting

[worn oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-anguish-despair-gif-13915908866750092639

Im a clown, thank you

[glass shell]

small cooldown between activations but its not like the other rooms where you have a clear window of not being active >active

[woeful moth]

Oh, so that's why. But if I use other dash there is no inta tick right?

[brave dove]

correct

[thin ridge]

This is like watching paint dry

[brave dove]

the most effective first clear builds are ultra safe, yes

[thin ridge]

Mel axe is so so boring

[glass shell]

give me +50hp and power pls

(or 35 power to attackS)

[glass bone]

Maybe a mirror to Mel Staff? (Though 50 HP + 50 Attack power may be way too busted akin to the 60 Magick and Special Damage of Patch 9 Mel Staff)

[glass shell]

That was my feedback suggestion anyway

35 is such a weird number and i hate how it makes mels hp end in 5 just visually

even if it was 40 it wouldn't solve the gameplay issues but at least would help me on that front lmao

[brave dove]

honestly I'd take a nerf to 30 because I agree on that specific point

[glass shell]

😭

[brave dove]

a buff to 40 would be preferable because mel axe is already not doing great except as a beginner weapon but why the five

or +30 hp +40 power, split the difference

[glass shell]

i mean honestly i'd consider that a buff

prefer 40/40 or more but that works too.

[brave dove]

very slight nerf for newbies, significant buff for everyone else I think ye

[glass bone]

Numbers at 40 Attacks power;
Attack combo with no boons; 80 -> 120 -> 200
Dash attack (if applied) becomes 80 per dash attack
Omega Attack becomes 90 per swing.

Then of course you could slap on Aphro Attack. Starting with Mirror means that bare minimum, you’d then be doubling your damage output (e.g. 160 -> 240 -> 400, 160 dash attack, and 180 Omega swings).

[glass shell]

attack not attackS

so omega doesn't get affected unless they make it attacks

if power affected attacks honestly just leave it as is gg im down for spin2win

[glass bone]

I figured to say Attacks, considering Mel Staff says Specials.

[glass shell]

i'd prefer it personally but i don't think they want to. Mel and thanatos are already so mixed its funny that this is how they ended up post rework

thanatos gets attack speed when mel has attack power

thanatos has crit chance on omegas only but mel has more damage on the spin (if that change happened) 😭

[dim kelp]

argh, I'm trying to do the max-HP mutual destruction build but with Eris keepsake in the first region, and I got most everything I wanted (not perfect, but pretty good given my limited willingness for resets and not starting with a god keepsake). However, Uncle Poseidon absolutely refuses to Sea Star my centaur hearts! I got it set up with success rate real early, and I am at the end of Olympus and still have not gotten a single bonus heart 😭

[glass bone]

If 1.0 does do something similar to this, how would this affect Nergal (if at all)? Since Nergal from what I’ve heard is akin to this idea of Mel Axe. Slower, but stronger. Maybe it’s a scale between Speed and Damage, with the order of Thanatos > Mel > Nergal for speed, and vise versa for damage.

[glass shell]

nergal has more range

[desert shell]

Busted supay build, cleared surface in only 16 minutes at 16 heat:

Hestia attack, Hestia sprint, Poseidon special, their duo

Zeus cast, static shock, air quality

Aphro gain, wispy wiles

Between all those you're ticking damage as fast as possible, and taking almost none, and always procing origination.

[glass shell]

thanatos has potential damage but also speed, mel axe would just be damage and flat hp i guess

[woeful moth]

Poseidon's on supay is dog water

The wave disappeares when I bump into enemies

[glass shell]

yes. that is quite literally how poseidon rush works as of like 3 major updates ago

you need to stop and start dashing again, it no longer is a mana cost per hit but infinitely up.

but beach ball is a rush boon technically so that scales off supay

[woeful moth]

I'll just do hestia rush then

I tried every rush but they all suck

[willow phoenix]

Poseidon's very good if you know how to use it lol

[glass shell]

hestia is better room clear, worse bosses

also worse peak cause beach ball can do some serious damage

and flash fry can just get picked up secondary anyway as a hestia while playing pos

[woeful moth]

even on supay?

[willow phoenix]

Especially on Supay

[woeful moth]

Alright, so what is the play on supay with poseidon? Redashing to create wave and fish for beach ball?

[willow phoenix]

Pretty much that, the aoe of breaker rush is huge and you can clear rooms fast and the damage is big enough to carry you until like the end of biome 2

You can put a bunch of stuff on attack or special to add for your passive damage like Hestia or Zeus

[glass shell]

and getting hestia special/attack just to possibly get steam or for curse purposes and get flash fry for even more room clear is always goated

[willow phoenix]

Honestly all rush boons outside of Heph, Hera, Apollo can work with Supay, it's just that Poseidon and Hestia are just much better than the rest and doesn't need other upgrades

Even Hera can kinda work honestly although you'll have very little boss damage from it lol

[dim kelp]

I think Ares is the most fun, because you can get the apollo and heph duos to beef up the swords, and you can get stutter step to use them more often

stutter step is obviously good with any of the rush boons that deal damage a flat number of times per rush

[desert shell]

Depends, if you have AQ Hestia rush is the best cause it has the fastest damage rate

[dim kelp]

(To be clear, the upgrades to Ares are fun because it looks ridiculous. It's obviously a fair amount of work to set that up)

[willow phoenix]

Doing this with Aphro rush and Nervous Wreck is also fun, curse spam

[solid copper]

I think Queen's ransom is in a fine state finally. Mostly due to the fact that uncommon grace can be upgraded # and incadescent aura. I wish bridal glow and extended family were eligible for levels too. Then I'd say it was as good as King's ransom. What are your thoughts?

[willow phoenix]

For me most of the time it's only worth upgrading Fine Line and Hereditary Bane. It's pretty hard to get Uncommon Grace and a big ransom without getting it too late in a run imo but yeah it scales well too

Honestly Hera has a lot of boons that scales well but most of them are like mobs exclusive with Dying Wish, Engagement Ring, and Rousing Reception. So it's like good but not worth going for a huge Ransom most of the time

[solid copper]

Yea thats why I wish extended family or bridal glow could be pommed. Idk if that would be too good

[willow phoenix]

And yeah Hera having 2 unpommable boons just feels bad for hunting ransom

I feel like Bridal Glow can just be pommable with the poms basically going to the selected boon

Extended Family can also just have a small scaling like 0.5% per level or something

Having a ransom on Hereditary Bane vs Rivals Prom is very fun though

300% hitch damage is good

I imagine a huge Ransom for Uncommon Grace would be very filthy with any flat damage lol

[solid copper]

Bridal glow especially would be both very fun and not op due to randomness

[cedar gull]

Does toula's revive count as a death defiance for things such as the strength card or the athena keepsake?

[civic ocean]

Yes

[glass shell]

heres a simple guide for toula related questions

Does it have the chance to synergize or benefit you in any way ? If so doesn't work with toula.

[brave dove]

DD refills such as Renewed Faith count her DD slot if empty

[brazen ore]

so does last gasp

[heady flame]

i might be trash at this game but how do i build coat specifically selene

it just feels dependent on hex to do anything, part of the problem is probably playing on whatever vow fo2 is without multiple dashes but still

[willow phoenix]

if you want to run Ares Godsent

Start Ares keepsake, get as many path of stars as you can, use Moon Beam too, then spam omega and skyfall
I prefer spamming O special and O cast since the O attack kinda sucks to use lol

Use Night Arcana for crit chance, get grievous if possible

The most important upgrade for skyfall is Ferocity and Lance of Ares damage wise, then Prism for room clear

[glass shell]

start ares keepsakes o you're godsent

take attack/special and as many ares boons as possible until you get grevious blow, then sell the attack/special for a better one. You do this cause grevious blow specifically has his attack/special requirement and not skyfall which applies wounds

Get lance of ares and ferocity, spam skyfall win

[heady flame]

ok but i cant get any uptime on hex and the block is also so fake maybe im just used to broken hades 1 shield

[glass shell]

did you activate night so you have constant hex regen? it helps

[heady flame]

oh i literally never use that one

[glass shell]

also o-attack charges it like a mf

[glass shell]

unseen too overcosted, eternity doesn't provide much, night is for the best

try to weave in the rotating omegas if you want but your mostly just caring about the hex regen

[heady flame]

i dont use either of those 2 either 😭

are there images here

[glass shell]

if you post a link to one yes

[heady flame]

im too lazy for that

[civic ocean]

If your uptime is low it means you are probably not using omega moves often enough, rotating between omega special and cast are usually what I do

[heady flame]

what gain do i use

[civic ocean]

Which ones do you think would fit with spamming a lot of omega moves?

[past pewter]

Is possessed array affected by weed killer and other omega attack buffs

[willow phoenix]

It should work with it

They did change Possessed Array to not trigger stuff like Heartthrobs and Righteous Pike anymore

But stuff like Fine Line and Cut Above still works so I assume weed killer still works with it

[pseudo pond]

Besides scorch build, are there any good boons that synergies with Anubis?

[willow phoenix]

Apollo/Hera/Aphro on special + Controlled Burn and just spam that O special

[pseudo pond]

Got it, will try it now!

Spam special……why does this reminds me guanyu

[thin cloud]

Any fun build ideas for aspect of selene coat?

[civic ocean]

There is basically just one Selene build that everyone uses

Ares keepsake start to unlock the godsent skyfall nodes, then moon beam to get to the node, and alternating two omega moves with night and using Lance of Ares

People often look for Athena for Task Force as well

[thin cloud]

Is Selene really that bad?

The other ones just seem so mediocre

[civic ocean]

None of the coats are bad, that Selene build deals incredible damage

[glass shell]

Aspect of selene is actually really good, probably the best coat

issue is, its incredibly pidgeonheld to a specific build and line as of the unseen update because you must take ares keepsake first, non negotiable or your just so much weaker.

Then you theoretically don't HAVE to take selene keepsake 2nd, if you get enough natural path of stars but just taking selene keepsake simplifies it so much and guarantees you what you need

[thin cloud]

Maybe I can come up with some sort of m1 based Poseidon build for Selene

[glass shell]

you can try, it'd just be objectively worse than nyx though

because if your not omegaing why are you playing selene and if you are omegaing you sure shouldn't be playing posiedon, and if you aren't taking ares keepskae for godsent again why are you playing selene

you can do whatever you want, but its just not what the weapon excels at, nyx would be the poseidon m1 spammer your looking for

[thin cloud]

But wait, didn’t you just say Poseidon would be worse for Nyx as well?

[glass shell]

i mistyped lmao

meant to say selene in that sentence i corrected it

nyx doesn't posiedon splash on the same targets but its still a room clearing demon

tldr selene is for spamming mana, posiedon isn't really an omega spammer though you can do it with the o-special if you wanted, just post posiedon nerfs its not as good

[thin cloud]

Aspect of mel seems so meh

[glass shell]

it was the best coat pre unseen

[thin cloud]

I can see the use case for the others

[glass shell]

issue is, they gutted posiedon who mel coat abused for dash attacks/missiles with an internal cooldown and giga buffed nyx + gave selene support. so yeah mel coat is bleh now

[civic ocean]

Hell yeah go cook

Mel Coat seems pretty ideal with freezer burn now

[analog ether]

What do we think would be the best weapon for a boonless run?

[elfin forge]

Medea probably?

idk ask Mini

[glass shell]

does boonless count hammers? cause idk if i'd bet on a boonless medea

[elfin forge]

nope, hammers are legal

[glass shell]

PA + hecubas an out there i guess

[elfin forge]

also Danaid exists in the game which is pretty good

[brave dove]

probably morrigan

[glass shell]

probably morrigan the more i think about it with its unconditional burst

[elfin forge]

oh yeah morrigan

[glass shell]

mel staff works too with high power but nothing to scale it off is eugh

[elfin forge]

you can get magick from Unseen or Hecuba

[glass shell]

persephone best boonless aspect /s

[elfin forge]

someone get us a permanent danaid dagger

[uneven palm]

You can extend it to 2 guardians so that’s halfway there

[thin cloud]

Scalding heat or arterial spray do you think?

[civic ocean]

For Selene? Probably want omega moves stuff like Geyser Spout because of how Shine works

[thin cloud]

Tryig to think what kind of duos I want for posiedon focused m1 nyx aspec

[thin cloud]

nah nyx

[civic ocean]

Oh probably steam then

Can always do both ig

[thin cloud]

True

Since I'm gonna be using dash a lot on nyx, who should i use for my dash boon?

[analog ether]

Would boonless exclude Hexes?

[uneven palm]

It’s not really like a fully defined thing I guess so if you think it excludes or includes hexes, it’s probably valid

[tardy adder]

Hexes are technically boons of selene and the godsents are all duo boons so....

[brave dove]

they don't get onioned, though

[analog ether]

Plus, the implication (at least how I've seen it being implied) is that Selene is not giving Mel something, but rather bringing something out of Mel that was already there.

Arcana is kinda interesting, because you don't really have that much need to take the Fate corner.

[brave dove]

rerolling wells for swords of danaidd

[tardy adder]

can someone tell me wtf happened to pan daggers? I took a break shortly after the olympic update and rejoined after unseen update and this aspect feels so much weaker now

I'm trying to beat 32 fear on all aspects and pan is proving to be one of the harder ones. I had less trouble with stuff like Eos torches and Mel Axe than pan

any build suggestions?

[west thunder]

Pan got nuked by a recent patch. Try Morrigan instead it’s really fun. Standard build seems to be Hestia attack and blitz special

[tardy adder]

I did and it's my favorite aspect across both hades games lol. They absolutely nailed that one

freezer burn build is my go to with morrigan. I'm just trying to beat 32 fear on all aspects and was wondering if there was a decent enough pan build to pull that off

[west thunder]

Oh sorry, for some reason I saw all aspects as all weapons. I’m not sure about Pan anymore. Poseidon on special used to be the bread and butter

[uneven palm]

The answer to your pan problems is trick knives now

Don’t do Poseidon special but most others are good (Hera, Apollo, Zeus, Hestia, maybe Ares, maybe Aphro with Island Getaway)

[analog ether]

Yeah, Morrigan is very good for a boonless run.

Got very lucky with Sweeping Ambush, Final Slice, and Phantom Brand hammers. Plus an almost maxxed out Phase Shift.

Technically also Melting Sickle, but I don't know how much that contributed.

[topaz meteor]

Hey people, how are you supposed to fight Typhon post-Zeus?? If I stay to far, he throws the triple exploding balls that I have never managed to dodge, if I stay to close he smashes me with his chin or the tentacles/whirlwinds hit me, I have beaten him but only because I get 300-400hp every run

[elfin forge]

stay near him, learn how to dodge the chin slam

I think of Typhon(normal typhon at least) to basically be "Be right on top of the boss, until he tells you to go away for a bit, then run straight back in"

[brazen ore]

cycle back and forth. Near him to attack, move back when he's gonna chin slam. same with spinnies. You have two spinny attacks coming up to you. When the third one pops up move back then move back in.

[elfin forge]

Go in when he carpet bombs the whole arena, does tongue laser.
Sidedash at close range when he does forehead shot.
Go out when he does chin slam, or the tentacle wave is coming in.
Go out and stay out for a while when he does tornadoes, this attack is annoying.

[topaz meteor]

Any tips for the chin slam? It feels like the range is always bigger than I expect, I'm probably overstaying but haven't managed to get a feel of when he does it

[elfin forge]

you can kinda just feel "oh, chin slam now", and dash straight down

he used to do it every other attack, though I believe it's changed now. Still kind of like that though.

[polar ravine]

it also depends on whether typhon is very fast

[elfin forge]

Since he does it SO frequently, if you learn to dodge it, you'll get a lot more free time for damage

[brazen ore]

his forehead kinda does a thing. he has a windup to it

but i can't remember what it is to describe it, and at frenzy2 it's a really tight window

[elfin forge]

idk if I have a tell, I just get this spidey sense for it at this point lol

[topaz meteor]

I do have 1 frenzy on 🤣 I learned from Hades 1 to always keep it on and get used to it, so it's basically free fear

[topaz meteor]

You probably know to the millisecond accuracy how long you can stay under before going away, I guess I'll keep trying

[elfin forge]

no I'm not that good at it, at this point I just kind of assume "oh, he's about to chin slam" after every non-chinslam attack

[civic ocean]

The legit hardest part about rivals typhon is this stops being true

[elfin forge]

fr

[tardy adder]

After a certain point, reacting to the chin slam just becomes muscle memory. I don't even think about it now, my brain just dodges it every time

[mild idol]

Hi, I need two darkness to get the last arcana grasp, how do I obtain these? I have killed Typhon etc (just once).

[barren forum]

visit chaos gates

[tough pasture]

I'm approaching 300 runs with about 200 of them in the underworld and I still cannot regularly avoid the spinning scythe attack from chronos.

The hit box of that attack confounds me. It goes clockwise from the perspective of the player but I think what keeps getting me is I will dash behind chronos and it will still often hit me as it returns to him.

ETA: I have runs where I take less than 100-120 points of damage leading up to chronos and chronos will do ~150 points of damage to me with the bulk of the damage coming from that scythe attack (so 3-4 hits of it).

Any tips?

[civic ocean]

Still gets me and I have fought him probably like 500 times

Maybe a bit less actually pmao

[uneven palm]

If he’s approaching and not doing any of his other nonsense, assume the boomerang is coming and stay a little bit away so it loops around you and then you can close in but favor the side it came out from it can clip you coming back. If you’re up close and see the tell, dash through and sprint because the hitbox is quite large. Or if you’re big-brained enough it’s always a clockwise throw so you can dash into it just as it’s released.

[brave dove]

if you stick to the hand he threw it with the return can't hit you

[crystal holly]

Yoo any one up? Taking another attempt on Underworld 32f - Rivals level 4.
Soo im thinking of trying Supay? any suggestions for the build? Can we really buff the rush boons?
Also how to aim for more Duos? thx

[heady flame]

gdi just lost to chronos because i was lagging

[elfin forge]

maybe try poseidon and hestia special/attack, that sounds quite good

for dash good options are Zeus and Hestia I think

[crystal holly]

😦 lagging?

[heady flame]

game started performing really badly in the middle of the fight idek

[crystal holly]

I see, Posidon with the splash attack into froth?

So um posidon attacks splash is better then zeus chain light? cuz of more dmg?

[crystal holly]

f bro. Gl next lets go. melonoe dont rest ya know

i just lost too dang chronos plus father of all monsters. Soo annoying.

[elfin forge]

Rivals typhon rip

[crystal holly]

Ye. RIvals typhon my 5th attempt 24f

[elfin forge]

poseidon waves would be better singletarget DPS, yeah
I think god run would be poseidon hestia zeus prolly

[crystal holly]

i got there with enough lives, with THE ANKH SCEPTER hestia attack

[crystal holly]

i see

[elfin forge]

if you want more safety you can sac something for Demeter freeze

[crystal holly]

Okay so psidon attack, zeus / hestia , special/rush

cast freeze?

lol i wast typing freeze and my discord just nudged and freezed jsut realized it was slowmood lmao, i thought demeter got "displeased" 😛

[elfin forge]

yeah I think any combo of that works

poseidon or demeter cast

[tardy adder]

has anyone tried a big ares build on selene coat yet? It sounds like really good in theory because you can potentially use the hex to trigger wounds based effects like heinous affront

[tall notch]

@brave dove

[brave dove]

heinous affront is cool but you don't need it, lance of ares does bonkers damage with just the ferocity node

[tardy adder]

oh cool, gonna try it now. 32 fear pan daggers has been nothing but pain so I'm gonna give it a break for now

[brave dove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqNko2fv20g this was patch 9 so the path of stars is a bit different but here's a vod if you want to see it in action

[tardy adder]

thanks! I'll check it out

lol wait, I've already seen this one. I even commented on it and forgot 😭

[barren galleon]

OMFG FGINALLY BEAT CHRONOSDHNASP

[tardy adder]

rivals 4?

[barren galleon]

what?

[tardy adder]

the 3 phase version

[barren galleon]

????

he has 2 phases right?

[elfin forge]

yeah dwai
congrats

[tardy adder]

for now

[barren galleon]

AYO WHAT

[elfin forge]

extreme measures is in the game lol

[brave dove]

eyyy nice!

[tardy adder]

grandpaw ain't playin around

[barren galleon]

cant believe i did it with the axe lol

[brave dove]

post a screenshot up in #h2-victory-boasting

[barren galleon]

what if i skipped that page?

[elfin forge]

rip

[crystal holly]

Oh nicee

[crystal holly]

literally same.

[brave dove]

there's a records npc but you won't have them unlocked yet, so I'll just ask instead what boon setup you used

[barren galleon]

melinoe axe with aph atk and poseiden special - then i had some cool boons like the green ones wheich make every opponent close range and one which brings rnadom status effects from other gods

[crystal holly]

you gotta gift them enough to be able to see all their boons right?

[barren galleon]

oh and hestia blow up cast

[crystal holly]

and then how can you check for duos?

[barren galleon]

wait i think i unlocked that guy lol

[tall notch]

Once you have the thing that lets you see boons in codex duos are there too

[keen vapor]

Is Aspect of Sumay the best sprint build? Ive tried heat rush (Hestias boon) and it feels awesome

[elfin forge]

yeah

I mean it's the only aspect that buffs sprint directly, I think, except Nyx but that doesn't really count

[tardy adder]

pressing buttons is overrated, just play supay

peak hades gaming

[keen vapor]

I see, I need to spam easy runs for a ressource so its the most fun and non tryhard way I found so far

[devout yarrow]

You still gotta press wasd but whatever

[crystal holly]

theyr nerferd supay thats why 😄

damn sorry about my french

[tough pasture]

Interesting. Got it.

[tardy adder]

it's still the best aspect in the game tho

or at least top 5

[brave dove]

oh aphro legendary is really nice these days yeee

[crystal holly]

i love ankhhh

[keen vapor]

Any thoughts about the rest of the boons besides heat rush? Im not entirely sure if I need decent stuff on attack and special or if I should just hold space bar + wasd

[brave dove]

nice build, good work!

[crystal holly]

no wasd either