h2-builds-and-combat

[dim kelp]

With the addition of rivals, it seems like the “easiest” fear setup might vary a good deal by weapon/aspect

[brave dove]

probably something like this: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/874854721968541736/1386703220130447370/image.png?ex=685aab83&is=68595a03&hm=e4623b1037da64a15a8a23999cb01546b06135679b83eb92feeef88362d6c634&

frenzy 2 makes timer a bit easier by shortening boss transitions

for surface I'd consider dropping rivals three for denial + a point in pain

unrivaled prom is a pretty hard build check for all its fairly mechanically straightforward

if you don't have good damage that fight takes forever

[brazen ore]

That tracks that tracks. So far I am low fear mostly but weirdly enough my preference for fast attacking weapons meant that I used ward a decent amount

[dim kelp]

I’ve been getting my ass kicked by rivals Polyphemus, making it out with single-digit HP often, but then I tried with Circe staff and beat him hitless without sweating

[brave dove]

ward just sucks

fast weapons do not make it better what makes it better is things like demeter and aphro cast-

[brazen ore]

Morrigan knives I used it bc if I'm not blood triading I'm doing a triple hit anyway but I can also see how that is highly suboptimal

[dim kelp]

Also, I’ve been taking wards on Circe because the multi-cast clears them real fast

Assuming you take a tick-damage cast, but since I’m building around the cast, that’s what my first keepsake and rolls are for

[brazen ore]

Im also admitted playing a lot of supay bc i want to have fun before it gets nerfed

[brazen ore]

Do you like circe? And is clang gang viable for it

Or is it counterintiitive and you dont really wanna be doing that

[vital ledge]

would get rid of timer 3 and frenzy 2 and put those into denial/return/scars. but yeah, pretty good setup for 32

[brave dove]

timer 3 is genuinely very easy

it only gets hard once you start bringing grit, wards, return and hordes into play

[past salmon]

if you arent running grit/hordes/return stuff timer 3 should not be a challenge if you are atleast trying to play fast

[brazen ore]

I beat timer 3 without trying if its the only vow I have active, can imagine I would need to try with other vows active though esp some of the rivals fights

[vital ledge]

too much luck, not for me. I'd like to win every single run and not fail to the timer because I rolled bad stuff

[silent ledge]

Pain 1, Menace 2, Return 2, Fangs 2, Debt 2, Shadow, Time 1, Hubris 2, Denial, Rivals 4 is what I used because I mostly hate timer since I'm not actually playing Hades 2 actively focused for 20 minutes straight with no interruptions

[vital ledge]

and wasted too much time picking up things 😛 (which I shouldn't)

[brave dove]

there is zero rng involved in timer 3 until you get to ultra high fear

[silent ledge]

Debt is probably wrong but Just Don't Economy is easy to figure out

[brave dove]

you can roll simply the worst consecutive rooms forever and you will still beat it pretty handily with like, even remotely fast play

ephyra also has fixed layouts if you're concerned there

[brazen ore]

For me at least (granted this is low fear) if I'm at a position where I'm gonna die to timer then the build was not conducive to letting me survive anyway

[silent ledge]

My usual run times even in a good run are 23 minutes or so and that's consistently streaking wins, I am really skeptical that timer 3 that trivial if you aren't Frenzy 2 speedrun gaming and already very skilled and planning for higher fear

[brave dove]

I just took 50 damage in the first room of erebus are you sure you want to hang the label of 'very skilled' on people who can beat timer 3-

[silent ledge]

Unless the timer at end of run is not calc'd the same way as the run timer

[brave dove]

start pausing whenever you're picking a room and see what your time is after a run doing that

[past salmon]

not even that

[brave dove]

that is like, the biggest time waste people do

[past salmon]

just start actively trying to go fast

[brave dove]

also foolish you'll know this did they tweak chronos's oneshot so you can't phase him out of it now or am I just falling short on burst

[past salmon]

you can still dps race yeh
mind you the visual stays for a bit and scares tf out of u (the attack doesnt go off tho)

[brazen ore]

Timer i think would be a problem for me at high fear but i sort of gravitate towards the speedrun strats in 1 (inasmuch as this game has speedrun strats bc of the rng). Like, clearing next to the room doors, pausing frequently, etc

[brave dove]

oh neat

it's 50% to phase him out of it, right?

[past salmon]

yeh

[brave dove]

I don't clear next to the room doors usually and I still beat the timer when I don't have hordes on

I should do a speed run actually I'm tired of getting owned by 58f erebus

[past salmon]

just hit him into P2.2
I wonder if R4 Chronos is possible to skip insta
You have a way shorter window cuz of bubble

[brave dove]

it'd be funny if it did but then bubbled you

[brazen ore]

Yeah you move fast enough that its probably just psychological for me lol it just feels satisfying to grab boon and go immediately

[past salmon]

I could see phasing him and then he just kills u anyway yeah lmfao

[vital ledge]

17 - 23 for me depending on how weak I'am and how much extra rooms I want to take, which you simply should not do if you play with timer 3. I like having the option to fix my build later and still win with weird stuff

[brave dove]

as an aside ares special on hel is genuinely absurd for clearing erebus

this is what everyone getting into speedrunning should be starting with

[past salmon]

timer 3 alone you could take like maximum amount of extra rooms and still sub 7
Like the main barrier to timer is just actively deciding to play fast I swear

[silent ledge]

Timer 3 is 5, isn't it

[past salmon]

20 for full run

[brave dove]

I sometimes play with fire and take like 3-4 extra sub rooms in ephyra

[brazen ore]

Also remembering what pauses it lol (what do u mean looking things up in the book doesnt pause it)

[brave dove]

which actually probably isn't playing with fire any more

now that thessaly is slightly less awful

[past salmon]

wait what

I'm almost positive it does
there is a reason codex is banned in speeds

[brazen ore]

unless im big dumb which is possible it keeps going on codex no

[brave dove]

easy to check one sec

[brazen ore]

I swear it did

[brave dove]

yup it pauses

[past salmon]

yeh thought so lol

[brazen ore]

Insane. Why did i think it didnt

[brave dove]

it doesn't pause when checking your own boons though

[past salmon]

yeah boon check doesnt

[brazen ore]

Im on crazy pills today lmao. Maybe that was what i was thinking of, or I just have brain worms

Brain worms more likely tho. Ok well thats good to know then haha

thanks for fact checking

[vital ledge]

now I want to see 7 minute runs which take all extra rooms with bad aspects and 32 fear, I don't believe you by the way. but whatever, let me hate on timer 3. 😛 that's all I have left now that I actually have fun with the skull once in a while

[brazen ore]

I can devoutly hate on anything so this is never a problem, but I do it more for the love of the craft

[past salmon]

mfw im moving the goalposts 17 lightyears down the road wtf 😭

crazier part is probably still doable lmfao

[brazen ore]

u think timer 3 is easy. Well how about while you're standing on your head. Not so easy now is it

[vital ledge]

one thing is for sure. rivals 3 made it a lot easier to come up with your own 32f setup that works

I remember taking onion and the "your first hit in each room deals +300% damage" on my first 32 win 💩
would not do that again ever

[brave dove]

my 32 surface last patch had onion I think

onion only turbo sucks in UW IMO

[trim shoal]

That 300% damage vow was the number one reason to take hephs prime boon back before Olympic

[dim kelp]

I like new Circe a lot. I haven’t tried Anvil Ring with it, but its damage is quite good, so I imagine it would work well. I think it’s compatible with Winner’s Circle too, since it specifies 3 hits per cast. Heph doesn’t have anything that enhances the cast beyond the core boon tho, since his whole thing is weapons and armor. I have taken his dash sometimes because I’m mostly playing at range, so it procs a good amount of the time when I’m actually close enough to proc a rush boon.

I’ve been going for Hestia cast a lot, because I like Glowing Coal with the aspect. The familiar tends to stick on you (except Toula, but I prefer to play with Strength), which can be great for double-damage onto one target (2X Zeus cast lightning is a lot), but sometimes it’s nice to cover more area, or use the souped-up single cast at range if it doesn’t feel safe to approach.

Lightning Lance also works for this purpose, but Glowing Coal helps to open up the Ares-Hestia duo for more focused damage from the fireball, and Ares is nice to have in the pool because he has both Meat Grinder and Cut Above to enhance the Ω cast. Glowing Coal is also a prerequisite for Hestia’s new Legendary, which can do a lot of work with the double cast (and gives another use-case for area coverage over concentrated cast damage).

Other gods I’ve been looking for are Poseidon for Ocean Wave (=water-type Cut Above) and Geyser Spout, Apollo for Super Nova (anti-synergy with Hermes Winner Circle tho, so don’t take both) and Prominence Flare and maybe the sprint to help with positioning the psychic leash, or Demeter for Arctic Gale (especially nice if you can’t get Winner’s Circle for easier Ω casts) and ideally Freezer Burn.

[vital ledge]

that's how my runs went yeah. somehow survive the first area, heph keepsake, trusty shield, somehow get to echo to get the dds back, win

[trim shoal]

I remember having to get Demeter on cast to have a chance of surviving first area

[dim kelp]

There are several useful duos that can come up pretty easily when going for gods with cast or omega move buffs on Circe, like the Apollo/Demeter one that shoots mini-gales everywhere if you’re standing in a Gust, which is very easy to do when you put them on your cast. Cutting Edge is great if you can get Cut Above (and/or Ares cast, if preferred over Hestia—very good with Winner’s Circle). Freezer Burn and Fourth Degree as mentioned before. I’m not sure of Geyser Spout counts as a “splash” for Arterial Spray, but that would be great if it did.

[brazen ore]

oh nice thank u for the writeup. i tried it once but will probably play around with it a bit more bc i feel like i dont use casts optimally and it seems like a good weapon to force me to make better use of my casts

[trim shoal]

Is there an updated version of the 50F doc for Unseen yet?

[hexed frost]

ngl i think i prefer the damage reduction arcana to death defiance

ran it by mistake and the damage difference was too much

i just need to get better and dodging

[trim shoal]

I might try it out for 50F on than axe, damage buff might actually let me run VoR and also leave Erebus

[hexed frost]

hows new axe compared to thanatos and melinoe

[dim kelp]

Definitely experiment with different familiars too, since they have different movement patterns. See which one feels comfiest for you in terms of controlling the leash.

Also, I forgot to mention that Circe makes Apollo’s gain way easier to use since there’s potentially double the area that qualifies, so you can just spam Ωs without needing a ton of free (non-primed) magick

[trim shoal]

I haven’t unlocked it yet, summit was being mean and not giving me scales

[rain marsh]

axe hidden feels so slow so it needs a slow but big numbers build i think

[trim shoal]

Demeter on cast sounding good

[dim kelp]

Take Raki with you. The familiars make a really noticeable difference on the rate of specific types of resource nodes appearing

[brazen ore]

oh thanks i appreciate

[brazen ore]

i really don't like how slow it is, mostly how slow going from dash attack into the attack sequence is

[trim shoal]

I did, just took me two tries to get the scales I needed, and another run to get one(1) more iron

[dim kelp]

Gotcha. Yeah, the scales spawns seem especially rare. Without Raki, I think I literally saw scales once in like 6-7 trips to the summit. I didn’t know wtf s-scales were, so I didn’t know to take Raki until I had seen them for the first time

[trim shoal]

Same

[dim kelp]

Trying to get scales is what finally convinced my husband to try to learn to play with Strength instead of DDs. He had been taking Toula all the time and just could not find scales ever

[rain marsh]

ive not tried strength but from what everyone is saying it feels much better than dd?

oops sorry was typing reply, anywho: i dont think axe is viable high heats since the need for dodging is SO high the wind up animation is a detriment

[brazen ore]

i mean it's still the same issue with how slow it feels. you're doing more damage but that doesn't make me enjoy the prolonged agony of dash attack into first sequence of attack

[summer seal]

How are people building Supay?

[hexed frost]

whats the best hestia duo? hades?

[brazen ore]

demeter/zeus/poseidon/hestia sprint are all great. blitz builds with chain lightning are awesome bc it has a pretty high rate of attack

[dusty hill]

can somebody explain to me what the platforms in chronos third phase are for?

at first i thought i was supposed to dash between them in order to not fall into the void, but now im confused

[jovial schooner]

Made it further than ever with Poseidon/Hera on the cloak but still didn't even make it to Typhon. What am i doing wrong lol?

like, sometimes I get Polyphemus perfect and sometimes I get bodied, same with Eris. Same with Prometheus, and i'm terrible at the "pick a god" rooms or Charybdis.

Haven't been at the summit enough yet to learn the enemies and bosses.

[trim shoal]

fun fact: Cross Cataclysm on Momus with Heph's legendary absolutely destroys Typhon

[jovial schooner]

I even tried my first build that cleared the underworld. Torches with all the Hestia got as far as Eris before I got bodied. was mostly my own fault I think.

Just hold X, move around and watch the healthbars burn away

[willow phoenix]

chronos teleports to them in one one of his attack where he shoots clock hands from them

tldr just sprint around at the beginning of p3 until he stops the arrow attacks

[rain marsh]

patience is key in the overworld. any rushing in will result in severe punishment. i have learned to focus on dodging and ONLY dodging until i learn the mechanics then pop in for a hit.

turn that timer off for less pressure.

[dusty hill]

no need for me to step on the platforms, then, right?

[willow phoenix]

yeah you can walk the entire arena

[dusty hill]

thank you

[willow phoenix]

it's very huge

[dusty hill]

i mustve died from something random in my first try, but the timing made it look like a fell into the void or sum

hence my confusion

[willow phoenix]

yeah I also thought you need to be jumping platform to platform on first try lol

[dusty hill]

not very intuitive innit

third try is the charm they say

the crimson dress boon from arachne makes you deal more damage after each encounter

when you lose the armor, will you lose the bonus damage gained?

[plush beacon]

#h2-victory-boasting message

Ended up doing Frenzy 1 instead of hubris or fangs

but now just 2 weapons left

I'm thinking Supay for my 32f grandpa run, but morrigan, pan, anubis and hel all have been good for me

[willow phoenix]

No

It's like a challenge run thing, you can deal stupid amount of damage with it

[dusty hill]

thank you sir

[tough pasture]

Friends, I can't get hecuba or gale as familiars. I've seen each like 30 times and I can't get them to become my familiar.

Am I missing something?

[willow phoenix]

You need to talk to hecate first to get her permission

[tough pasture]

I did that iirc.

Like...I've searched for what to do on hades wiki as well and I can't seem to figure out what I'm doing wrong.

[spare kite]

Do you have the other 3 pets, done all 3 pet incantations?

[tough pasture]

yes, maxed out.

That's why it's so jarring to me...

[spare kite]

I assume you have treats with you when reaching gale and hecuba right

[plush beacon]

I had to see gale multiple times and attempt to use treats multiple times before it was accepted

[tough pasture]

Yes. I've got 8 in my inventory. I've tried everything I can think of to compel them but I can't seem to get the button option to gift them morsels.

[tough pasture]

Sure, I get that. But as I mentioned above...I've seen Gale like 30 time by now (judging by how many times I've beaten and lost to prometheus).

[spare kite]

Have you used all pets to gather their respective material?

[dusty hill]

once i got permission from hecate to bond with them i was able to recruit them the very next time i saw them

you game might be bugged?, pretty sure thats how its supposed to work

[tough pasture]

I think so (but you have to understand that I've had hades 2 since day 1 of early access so I've seen all the changes to the various resource collection methods.

[spare kite]

If you are sure you got the dialogue from hecate to recruit gale and hecuba ig is just f10 and wait sadly

[tough pasture]

Yeah, I've gotten that dialogue and then...nothing since.

I'm thinking about sending a report to sgg via F10 to look at my game file.

[dim kelp]

Nothing to think about, just report it

[rain marsh]

lol ive not gotten either of them and im up to heat 20 XD

[rich belfry]

aspect of hel , whats the build u guys tried ?

[pseudo pond]

Poseidon attack with Zeus/Hera/Demeter/hestia/ares special

Basically anything kinda just works as long as you have Poseidon attack

[tacit vine]

Anyway i cleared rivals 4 both sides, all i had to do was use Poseidon for special and slow down a bit stop rushing

[pseudo pond]

Btw, anyone have any build ideas for the reworked circe?

I tried Demeter/Poseidon/apollo

Any other good cast builds?

[willow phoenix]

Zeus demeter ares poseidon
Basically stack all the cast and o cast stuff then get air quality + froth
Can change Poseidon to Apollo too for Glorious Disaster and Prominence Flare

Probably something like Demeter/Poseidon cast, arctic gale, meat grinder, geyser spout, air quality

[pseudo pond]

Hmm, interesting, gonna try it now

[willow phoenix]

Ideally you want to get hostile environment and local climate too

https://youtu.be/lDDutoAhKnY?si=zwebj6igEWVEOa6O
I tried a triple o cast build too, but no hostile environment here

Glorious Disaster is not worth the effort imo lol

[dim kelp]

I have seen many people say that Pyro Technique and Air Quality don’t mix, but I don’t understand why. Doesn’t Pyro Technique increase the tick rate of scorch rather than the damage per tick?

[dusty hill]

just beat chronos unrivaled, my soul can rest in peace now

[dim kelp]

The explanation on the wiki about Pyro Technique and Air Quality makes zero sense to me, but the wiki also claims that Grand Caldera adds up to 10 additional blasts to Heph clangs, so I dunno how much to trust it with anything.

[willow phoenix]

I don't think realistically the game calculates every single tick of scorch, like it has to be some kind of X damage per X second

So with enough pyro and global damage buff you start to outdamage 50 per tick fast

[dusty hill]

didn't really sort out the boons, but i basically beat him with a special build

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1184380616054153267/1386742535384465449/image.png?ex=685ad020&is=68597ea0&hm=92177adb76f8eea1e18d60f99758610ba19b9db23044b754a18ff8aa0694e874&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1566&height=881

[willow phoenix]

Special is very good with blitz and mel dagger yeah

[dusty hill]

id constantly inflict blitz with my special, and then run near him to proc it instantly, rinse and repeat

i had apollo sprint which gave me like 30%+ sprint speed and hermes epic sprint boon to resist 3 instances of damage

the arena is so big that i just kept running around and he would never catch me lol

also, i had this one duo boon that made it so everytime blitz procd, it also inflict scorch on the enemy

[dim kelp]

Global damage buff (which are all percentage-based AFAIK) having the potential to outstrip Air Quality makes sense, as it does for any flat damage source. But I have no idea what you mean about it being “unrealistic” for the game to calculate individual ticks of Scorch. Like, discrete math is all computers can do. Anything “continuous” is faked with small discrete bits

[gritty solstice]

So, the Mel Staff got a rework on his effect, improving magick and special damage

[dusty hill]

I think my opinion is still the same, typhon unrivaled is definitely harder than chronos

[brave dove]

it does not, it increases the damage it can deal per tick

scorch ticks at a fixed rate of six times a second

[willow phoenix]

I mean like every single 1 damage of scorch being counted separately is not realistically something you'd do in game

[viscid spade]

think hostile environment is worth gunning for on morrigan?

[dim kelp]

Okay, that makes a lot more sense, thank you

[rain marsh]

weeee finished typhon 4 with anubis. this staff is quite fun if a tad bit clunky. yay hole in one!

[dim kelp]

Ah. That’s not what a tick means, a tick is just an individual instance of a quasi-continuous effect. In this case, apparently it is a fixed 6 ticks per second (16.67 dmg per tick at base) and Pyro Technique increases the damage per tick rather than the rate of ticks, which is why it doesn’t mesh with Air Quality

[dim kelp]

Has this always been the case? Or was it changed at some point?

[brave dove]

no idea you'd want to ask hippo

[willow phoenix]

Has always been like that

[dapper elbow]

Thoughts on aspects of hel.

[dusty hill]

didn't somebody post a semi detailed build for the morrigan aspect somewhere in here?

[rain marsh]

try victoryboasting?

[lean vapor]

good and a lot of fun to play

enables the old poseidon machine gun build sorta

[tall notch]

Or scorch

[plush vapor]

yeah it was pretty fun with freezer burn

[uneven flicker]

highkey Ares' legendary is my fav, it's so stupidly fun, specially with the new aspect of Nergal and the addition of Grisly Gain. ended up having 280% attack speed in the prometh/heracles fight 😭 and with Nergal you just heal everything so you just can't die

[rain marsh]

ohhh whats it do

[uneven flicker]

it automatically absorbs all Plasma so you don't have to run around collecting it, it also doubles it

[rain marsh]

ahhh yes i remember. that's a great idea to help with nergals slowness. shall try!

[uneven flicker]

Oh the Nergal hammer 'Iron Core' is also good with it, cuz you heal even more 😎 i also like going Herme's success rate with it since it basically re-doubles all the plasma drop rates (sadly i didn't get it this run, imagine 500% attack speed in the prometh fight lmao)

[plush beacon]

What do you throw on atk/spec?

still can’t figure out axe, just wiped a Mel axe Charon atk run to Rival Eris

[willow phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1240087136531648534/1386760228686790798/image.png?ex=685ae09b&is=68598f1b&hm=c546cfc838c9349eb594698002c7f55f71597f6c4fbd6845a9edce4525988a20&
Insane anubis o special build lol, didn't get Apollo legendary but oh well, the controlled burn damage made up for it

[hard marsh]

Is the zeus and demeter duo good? The runs ive had with it have been successful but i feel that those are more so accredited to my other boons

[uneven flicker]

i used hestia scorch in atk this run, with ares spec to proc wound. i sometimes also like to use zeus attack, i don't think it's ideal but it's just satisfying to continuously bonk proc his thunders

[willow phoenix]

it's just more damage, generally good imo but not a run changing boon

[rain marsh]

i just did anubis with hesia and demeter. scorch insta procs is sooooo nice

[hard marsh]

Thats fair

[willow phoenix]

The vacuum on anubis O special is so good, sucks in the whole room and allows you to just bomb everything

[loud terrace]

Does the omega attack on the anubis aspect stack?

[willow phoenix]

no

[loud terrace]

Tell me about it... Cast then attack.. cause that's how you play 4D chess.

[atomic ibex]

How do we feel about the new Persephone?

[manic harbor]

Is Pan with Poseidon special still the best way to go for sister blades? They're the only weapon I have left to beat Typhon with, and want to have as easy of a time as I can with it for now

[south copper]

Love it, much easier than having to use it with the cast, just build up that special charge. A little hard to control, but I think I'll get used to it. Poms on top is just a nice bonus.

[loud terrace]

it's nice to get a level 4 hero blitz boon lol

the special was abit hit and miss but it was ok, I prefer the new re-worked aspect

[sick tide]

Is there a best slot to put Hephaestus in? The main advice I recall is Hera Specials

[mint nexus]

Any great builds people have found with Supay?

[sick tide]

Hestia on special is killer

And then I liked having Hestia’s dash and Demeter somewhere too (either attack or cast). I think Zeus on Attack would also be pretty strong

[willow phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GXYiri6WJk
did so much damage it broke the fight lol

[hazy forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/386625846409953281/1386770202477334668/image.png?ex=685ae9e5&is=68599865&hm=e4ec816a6fc98e82089d5560161eadd16ab227df7a1b13149a80b8f178d256fd&

just a bit of plasma

was done with Aspect of Supay against Typhon

[willow phoenix]

I wonder how much speed you can get like at max

Probably has to do like Visceral Impact with some healing ability

[plush vapor]

you could put revenants on and let them respawn

although a boss would still get u more probably

[willow phoenix]

O yeah stacking with revenant is much easier

Someone do 1000% for science lol

[olive tusk]

really funny that he says HOOOOWWWWWWWWWW to that build, fitting

[mint nexus]

I need to see Nergal with 1000% speed

[olive tusk]

is that possible, the speed

stall bossfight until 1000% perhaps

also, a problem with be moving around at that speed

[willow phoenix]

Probably with something like warm breeze + visceral impact + enough dodge and health you can stack up tons of plasma. Might need an enemy with little damage but a lot of hits though for warm breeze to outheal it

I think at 1000% it's already not about how good it is but just curiosity on how it'd look lol

Like imagine if you just noclip from the map at that speed

[olive tusk]

hmmm makes me think of the octopus miniboss in oceania, if i get really lucky i could manage warm breeze visceral impact and 200 hp

maybe get blood spree somewhere in there so i can stall the fight even more

[topaz beacon]

My favorite sprint boon is aspect of the morrigan now lol

Omega special and then just dont catch them. Add on Heras sprint boon and its even better

[warm nest]

How do u get morrigan btw

[minor hedge]

Fun interaction I found during one of my Great Chaos Above runs earlier today: If you have Security System (Heph, gives you a lot of armor for the first 7 seconds of an encounter) and Bounce Back (Dio, restore some of the health you lost in an encounter), you can actually heal by deliberately tanking a bunch of damage at the beginning. Damage to temporary armor still counts as accumulated damage for the post-encounter heal, so you could enter a fight with 150 health and come out with 200 just by letting the enemies smash off your armor.

[topaz beacon]

You get it from talking to Artemis, unsure what all the prerequisites are

[hazy forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/386625846409953281/1386782884882284664/image.png?ex=685af5b4&is=6859a434&hm=95ca4acfa60443c0d3eb34985925169bf9db0b81bcfce0b8608e7f05232e88d3&

im really enjoying aspect of Supay

oh yeah and i also had the poseidon legendary

[dapper elbow]

I was just thinking. Shiva’s omega special mechinak is the same as the aspect of eris special. So basically the plan is to use the omega on top of your self and then start attacking

[loud terrace]

too bad it an takes an age to loop up and drop. - you may aswell not use it for all the good it does right now.

also, that aspect is so clunky to use, feels like you're just trying to fight while you have your shoe laces tide together.

unpopular opinion but the coat is probably one of the worst weapons in the game. - it has so much potential aswell but it's just let down by how clunky it feels to use.

You know when you have one of those dreams where you are trying to run away and feels like you're just wading through mud???? that's what it feels like to use the coat.

[brave dove]

that's not really unpopular so much as generally agreed that it's the weakest kit

[wintry ore]

what vow setups do yall like for 24f overworld?

[loud terrace]

I also doubt it won't get better and they'll just keep the coat as it is. - i won't be surprised if we don't get any improvements or tweaks though, but there's another 5 weapons so i wouldn't be shedding any tears. lol

[frozen shuttle]

hi guys, quick question: how do olympian hexes exactly work? Say i pick a selene hex, i check which compatible god, i get a boon of that particular god, then next time i find selene i have a chance that its olympian? there is a new node? how can i tell?

[south copper]

The reverse unfortunately. You get a god boon, then Selene and hope she gives a hex that has the olympian nod at the end. Each hex corresponds to one god. Ares is linked to her aspect of the coat so that one can be guaranteed at least.

[frozen shuttle]

thx man, now i know what i was doing wrong

[brave dove]

frenzy 2, time 3, rivals 4

[mental copper]

rivals typhon is so hard

whats a good build agaisnt typhon?

[fiery crag]

I just bombed him with Medea aspect Revaal with lvl 10 Nova Strike lmao

[mental copper]

just with that damn

[sage flame]

really it's just dps dps dps, his hitbox is massive so it's just making sure to click your buttons and not getting hit (easier said than done)

[fiery crag]

i can share a screenshot on victory boasting if youd like

[mental copper]

so i just need apollo thats it

[fiery crag]

no no, not just with that

[mental copper]

whats the whole build

[fiery crag]

lemme tag u with the screenshot hold on

[mental copper]

aight

[fiery crag]

aight its on victory boasting

[mental copper]

do you do attack-speacial constantly or load up all the skulls

[fiery crag]

load up all skulls and then do the special

[mental copper]

so i just need mainly attack boons/upgrades etc

[fiery crag]

yep i think so, thats what i focused on

and the scorch on the special helped too

[mental copper]

thanks gonna try it now

[sage flame]

colloquially, with medea it's higher dps to do them one at a time and special for each shell loaded

[fiery crag]

good luck!

[fiery crag]

im gonna try that next time

[sage flame]

and start zeus special on medea, it makes it pop off right away

and then any attack u like :)

[fiery crag]

thanks for the tip!

[sage flame]

medea is so awesome

[fiery crag]

yepp i think hers is my fav aspect of revaal

[sage flame]

real

[mental copper]

i thought they nerfed that , i must have skill issue

[sage flame]

isn't that screenshot in #h2-victory-boasting moros torches lol

[fiery crag]

wait

WAIT OH LORD

youre right how did i confsue that 💔

[mental copper]

man you spreading misinformation

[fiery crag]

now thats just embarrassing 😭

omg its cause both them screenshots have nova strike lvl 10, lemme fix that

[mental copper]

so whats the best attack for medea

[sage flame]

tbf how many runs do u get level 10 nova strikes

[fiery crag]

i only got 2 actually

[sage flame]

I like ares, but hera and apollo are also good

[fiery crag]

man i wont find the medea screenshot, you'll have to forgive me for the misinfo 😭

[mental copper]

i used that build couple of times on typhon couldnt even get past phase 1

[fiery crag]

yk what my main problem with typhon is dodging the weird balls he shoots

[sage flame]

smh smh

[fiery crag]

so usually i just pray for wolf howl from selene to dodge those

[sage flame]

yeah esp with medea typhon can be tough

[mental copper]

i was looking for good build agaisnt typhon tho

hercules and prometheus is hard as hell too with medea

[sage flame]

this is previous patch, but foolish has WR with medea for the surface, you can skip through to see his build choices https://youtu.be/2RLkshvKyHY?si=H8lo8zpt-p5qy61x

he actually gets aphro attack

[mental copper]

i used this exact same build

[sage flame]

o7

then u got the brains for the build at least :)

[mental copper]

do yall have any builds for the new skull aspect , it looks cool

[sage flame]

uhh from what I hear, poseidon attack is the main thing

machine gun shreds

[mental copper]

has anyone tried that yet

in here

[loud terrace]

finally ! a speed run where nobody talks complete 💩 for 25-30 mins, and actually just plays their speed run..... more like this please!

[magic moss]

foolish doesnt even use a mic lmao

[loud terrace]

good

[magic moss]

i mean i like commentated speedruns if they know what they’re talking about

[sage flame]

yeah ^

but also most uploaded speedruns to speedrun.com are no commentary or anything lol just go to the source if that's what you're looking for

[loud terrace]

I just want to see gameplay. - with a build at the end, too many youtubers just talk waffle really. - I know i'm probably in the minority here

[magic moss]

i personally cant watch hades 2 content anymore tbh

[sage flame]

yeah if it's a youtuber trying to make watchable content to be entertaining, they're gonna yap a bunch, just how it is

[spare kite]

Too many victory screens

[magic moss]

especially staff, god when i watch someone play staff i always cringe inside

[sage flame]

i only really watch boated now 🙏 my goat

[loud terrace]

I mean they're trying to stretch it all out as long as they possibly can so they get paid, i understand. - but it just makes these things unwatchable for me.

[magic moss]

do you enjoy boated then?

[elfin forge]

I need people to explain speedruns lol

but there are a lot of speedrun vods where people are yapping about random stuff because they're streaming or in a discord and this is like, 200 attempts in

[fervent coyote]

is the blood triad affected by regular crit chances/the ares crit chance

[spare kite]

No

Only by the 2 hammers related to it and heph's legendary

[loud terrace]

I don't watch speed runs if there is commentary. - only if it's straight up gameplay.

[hexed frost]

First Prometheus kill with Anubis. It was a joke

[fervent coyote]

does it also increase if the damage dealt to the enemy is increased by something (like Snuffed Candle or smth)

[elfin forge]

huh

[fervent coyote]

or is it literally just those 3 things that can increase the damage on blood triad

[elfin forge]

it's not like it makes the video any longer though

[loud terrace]

Well I used to play alot hitman, and there's a youtuber called GenP who has done a few WR runs, most of his vids are just gameplay and no talking. - so i'm used to just watching speedruns with no commentary.

There's also other youtubers who speedrun hitman with just gameplay and no talking. lol

each to their own though, I'm not dissing anyone who likes commentary, I, personally just don't enjoy it. but if others do, that's fine. 🙂

[mental copper]

Yo idk what happened did the exact same build and actually beat him this time thanks

[loud terrace]

Would that boon be 'premium service'?

[spare kite]

Yeah

[spare kite]

Global buffs don't work on it

Wait is snuffed candle "deal more dmg" or "enemies take more dmg"

[loud terrace]

I forgot that existed, I swear I've only ever got that boon twice in all the hours I've played this game lol... once to complete the prophecy and then one other random time and that's it.

[spare kite]

I wonder if something like sweet surrender buffs the dmg

[hexed frost]

Typhon first try too

[brave dove]

origination modifier, I believe, so no

[spare kite]

At least in h1 sweet surrender also buffed things that didn't get buffed by other global buffs due to the wording

You deal more dmg/enemies take more dmg

[brave dove]

origination is also enemies take more damage

[spare kite]

Wait is it?

[brave dove]

not because of the wording but because it's a status on the enemy, not on you

either way I've done aphro morrigan and it hasn't worked :p

admittedly I'm not the most observant but I'm reasonably certain Nothing works on the blood triad damage whatsoever

[spare kite]

Yeah I figured, just an extra thought lol

[spare kite]

Wording does matter just for sweet surrender but ig they changed that for h2

[brave dove]

it... could be an independent modifier I guess? I figured it was in the origination bucket since it didn't seem quite significant enough when I took it

and they should work off basically the same code

[spare kite]

Yeah is the same in h1 and priv status
Priv status wouldn't buff your summon dmg while sweet surrender does

[brave dove]

glow should also be in that bucket actually

[strange crown]

Thoughts on Aspect of the Morrigan?

[spare kite]

Amazing

[strange crown]

Wondering if people are finding them awkward for the same reason i am

[brave dove]

one of the strongest aspects in the game but has a fairly high skill floor

among other things the first attack in its basic combo is effectively worthless, you always want to use a dash attack to skip it

[fervent coyote]

tragic

[brave dove]

honestly it's still really good damage anyway

[fervent coyote]

though I guess that’s balanced, morrigan feels busted anyway

[strange crown]

Really enjoying them too but I keep letting go of left click mid attack animation and then immedeatly holding it again but letting go turns off Omega attack charge

[fervent coyote]

once you find the loop you prefer for triggering blood triad it flows like butter

giving the knives an actual usable special is nice too

[brazen ore]

I havent quite figured out that loop yet. Oattack feels a bit clunky to trigger

[fervent coyote]

as the other person said you always wanna skip right from dash attack in o-attack since the first attack is laggy and weak

[warm nest]

ty

[strange crown]

Thus far the special on knives has been either for removing blue heart barriers or removing armour with the hammer that kills 50% of armour

[brave dove]

someone else link the fast combo tech to antinous I'm going for a smoke :p

[spare kite]

Dash > special > hold attack for dash strike and charge omega attack

[brazen ore]

bet

[strange crown]

I think your running into the same issue I am

[spare kite]

You can also do stuff like winner's circle and use your O.cast as the omega trigger

[fervent coyote]

I like dash strike omega attack and THEN special because special comes back to trigger the next one

[calm hamlet]

What's the best arcana setup?

[fervent coyote]

So I do dash strike - o attack - special - dash strike - o attack and it triggers twice

[strange crown]

if you attack you must* hold left click down, if you lift and immediatly click and hold again you stand there with nothing happening

[brazen ore]

I think i panic and double hit attack also on instinct, which doesnt help. Yeah yeah

[fervent coyote]

alternatively you can use omega special but that delays your next special so I’d only do it if you have The Night (omega combo) arcana on

[brazen ore]

Yeah i think i do run into the same issue

[fervent coyote]

Never thought about that

[strange crown]

Its less of an issue with any other blade because if you click and then click and hold again you just throw out another quick attack before charging

[fervent coyote]

Also I’m a big fan of that omega slowing arcana on knives for ||chronos phase 3|| with v/o frenzy 2

it feels impossible to dodge the laser attack with it

[strange crown]

Ah so Chronos does* get a third stage with the vow. I just did a run but was got by him doing his one shot twice in a row with a time bubble catching me in the middle

so I didnt get to see it that time

[fervent coyote]

that’s my bad

[strange crown]

np np

[calm hamlet]

What's the best arcana setup?

[jovial cove]

the one you like the most

[fervent coyote]

depends on weapon and playstyle

so yeah basically that

[strange crown]

I can show you the screenshot from my first win against Typhon on 32 fear

[fervent coyote]

is that 32 fear including rivals or no

[strange crown]

this was with artemis daggers

No, this was last patch

[fervent coyote]

I might go back to Artemis daggers for underworld runs

I love morrigan but Artemis feels like a better weapon

[strange crown]

I realllly like the block and the damage but if you roll too many special boons/hammers its pretty cursed

[fervent coyote]

ye

i feel like sweeping ambush is a must

My current build with morrigan is just ares attack and fishing for the ares crit boons because up until now I just assumed blood triad worked with them

now that I know blood triad’s damage is all but set I might just pivot to hephy’s legendary

but that’s what, a +111 damage boost? not worth

[strange crown]

Oh. cant paste image anyway so kinda hard to share an arcana setup

[fervent coyote]

what build do you generally run with morrigan

[strange crown]

I have only played the once I just wanted to see Uber-Chronos and level some trinkets so I didnt do anything special other than grab wolf howl

[fervent coyote]

ohhh k

[uneven palm]

Lower left corner for rolls and cash, strength or death, persistence, rest is up to you

[calm hamlet]

best way to farm bones is just using the bonethirst weapon huh

[loud moat]

Just got a chaos trial, and Keepsake I was assigned was evil eye, evil eye. Was set to Cerberus in the underworld, but I was running a surface run 😭

[analog ether]

Interesting. It is technically possible to go over the 999 Scorch limit.

Through Hestia's Total Eclipse. Granted, it will just steadily countdown like normal, even when you are continuously applying more Scorch until you reach 999.

[dusty hill]

does somebody a video on how typhon / chronos unrivaled look on frenzy 2?

[brave dove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbpxuHlctF8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALH6mImL8uM

[dusty hill]

lovely, you're the goat

[brave dove]

no worries, gl with them!

[dark whale]

what builds have yall been enjoying?

[topaz beacon]

Hera anubis or morrigan are funny, hel zeus is pretty funny too, but the lightning orb on attack is just op in general

Honestly, all of the new aspects are my favorite version of each weapon, except Shiva which is depressing because Xinth is my favorite weapon overall

[raven ivy]

Does attack speed effect the tick speed of anubis?

[empty harness]

+222

[dark whale]

i'm just tryna see what builds are working now. i havent played since january

[plush vapor]

i had heph atk and blitz on special

then +omega dmg stuff

was quite nice

[analog ether]

Anubis really is not a good weapon against Eris.

[shy quail]

em4 typhon final phase is kinda crazy

i couldn't dash fast enough and I got 1shot

[round quartz]

It goes up to 999, not 888

[arctic osprey]

what have people been cooking with shiva? aspect seems utterly useless to me unless you get elephant rockets

or the block hammer to some extent

that omega special feels like it just is too much of a magick and time commitment to ever get going

[analog ether]

FINALLY. Now I am never doing VoR Typhon again.

[shy quail]

||what is with after seeing typhon em4 that now all of my pets have the like glowing yellow exclamation marks on their heads? I just finished giving them all the treats but im confused||

[loud moat]

You can only give 1 treat per companion per night. Each have like 10 or so upgrades (2 upgrades with 5 levels each).

[olive tusk]

they really need to work on the polyphemus grab

[elfin forge]

yeah it's way too small

[olive tusk]

yeah, they should make the hitbox the size of the whole map

infact, he should grab melinoe directly from the crossroads

[elfin forge]

when he grabs, he should grab not just you, but melinoe in someone else's copy of the game, who is in oceanus for the first time

[rich belfry]

hel is nuts . so op

[elfin forge]

pew pew pew

I've had some trouble getting it to work lol

[jovial cove]

how do you use hel

am I supposed to be using the omega special and then spam attack?

[rain marsh]

yep

fast boons will help you here

[dim kelp]

Not sure if this was already mentioned, but there’s no longer a per-night treat-giving restriction. You can hand out as many as you want now

[elfin forge]

yeah you can force feed the hell out of them

[loud moat]

Awww yay. Thats good.

[elfin forge]

you will now eat 6 treats right now

[flat epoch]

I really like ||The Morrigan||, but what sort of boons work well with it? Considering blood triad damage is flat/won't be affected by God effects

[clever current]

Was the bridal boon/hasty retreat patched?…I’m out of the loop for a few months xD

[proper cedar]

any good torch builds for rivals chronos and typhon?

[brave dove]

which aspect?

[fervent coyote]

…heph attack?

am I crazy or does that sound ass on knives

[viscid spade]

I've had success with Hestia attack and just abusing the 3hit attacks and ignoring omegas and triads but that might not be as fun 😅

[thin ridge]

This is just so wrong on so many levels and doesn’t even answer the question 😭

[loud moat]

Sorry? Maybe they can ask the question better?

Or I just misunderstood. It happens

If you know better than by all means correct me

[smoky badge]

any unique hel builds?

[thin ridge]

You can give unlimited treats per night and there is 3 upgrades with 3 tiers each to upgrade, but they already finished doing that so it’s irrelavant

[loud moat]

Thank you for the clarity. I hadn’t had to give treats to familiars in a while.

Any idea what they actually asked about though?

[thin ridge]

I didn’t get to em4 Typhon yet

[loud moat]

Well then I guess we both don’t have an answer to their actual question. Maybe a screenshot would be more helpful from OP

[loud moat]

I’d misremembered. Used to be you could only brew the treats in the cauldron. Before this update at least. You can now snag them in final regions at high enough fear.

This limited you to pretty much buffing a companion once a night usually.

[thin ridge]

Well 2 buffs since it was a batch of 2 per brew

[loud moat]

Yea thankfully. No need to lock animal upgrades behind so much imo

One day I’ll start a new save file. They aren’t just building the game for end-gamers, but the journey to getting all your upgrades needs to feel satisfying as well. Will be curious to see how it feels starting fresh 1.0

[elfin forge]

what main boons for Nergal

[wintry ore]

aphro, hera, demeter

[elfin forge]

do I take aphro keepsake first or dem lol

feels like the weapon will be pain and suffering until I get freeze

[trim shoal]

I tried to build a plasma based ares than axe attack spam build earlier, but it’s damage just wasn’t good enough, especially for the vulnerability of the axe in melee range. Is this a viable build idea or should I just stick with Hera and O-Attack spam (yes I had Demeter’s cast and origination, took too much damage while frozen was on recharge)

[toxic heart]

Aph’s cast shoud be good too

[gilded robin]

tried plasma ares build plus ares legendary on supay, extremely difficult to control

[trim shoal]

Building towards axe attack speed used to be meta, but they changed a lot of things and now it just feels weak and that’s really sad to me as a long time than axe main

[wintry wasp]

Hihi! What is a good build for Morrigan?

[spiral wadi]

i find hestia attack to be really good, otherwise apollo attack helps make landing triads easier (apollo special does literally nothing tho)

cc cast like demeter or aphrodite is also nice since it's basically a pure melee weapon

[dim kelp]

I’m pretty sure there was an actual per-familiar per-night treat limit as well. Like, you could brew up a bunch of treats and not use them and still have to dole them out slowly

[brazen ore]

why was it harder to upgrade a familiar than to do basically anything else goddamn

[hexed spade]

Wait, how does Supay work, the omega speical is broken from the get go but what is the omega attack?

[elfin forge]

I think omega attack makes you shoot faster for a bit? maybe?

[hexed spade]

I....think it makes the auto attack does more damage? Anyway holy this is borked, this has to be nerfed later on

[dim kelp]

I mean, all other relationships can only be progressed once per night too

[brazen ore]

yeah but you didn't have to cook food to upgrade them

[hexed spade]

Oh supay omega attack is auto turrent based on your attack boon

It's a bit confusing because it feels like the spinning orbs can freeze (my attack) and also torch (special)

[shy grove]

what do ppl use on nergal

[rain marsh]

i just tried someones recommendation for ares plasma and it was quite good

if you get the legendary boon the plasmas just vacuum to you

[spiral wadi]

does froth proc on all "hits" like scorch etc.

[plush vapor]

i was only doing a combo to activate blood triad so i wasn't hitting fast

got it down to 2 sec cooldown so it hit every time

[elfin forge]

that's the minimum

[plush vapor]

yeah

?

[past salmon]

Idk about scorch lol
But pretty much everything else yeh like static shock Cyclones etc

[spiral wadi]

gotchu, sick

[lunar kiln]

is bridal glow tech patched?

[void pagoda]

I did some Ares/Demeter duo cast with strong attaks ant technique, it was really powerful

I think an Appollo attack/Ares technique/Aphrodite cast can ramp up huge damage if you pull ennemies in your cast, attakc them, throw tech then proc blood pact with Ares wounds applied

Try Appolo attack on Anubis, the size get ridiculously large
Like an entire room of Ephyra large

[tough pasture]

Hi everyone. I just unlocked anubis aspect. Any suggestions on what olympian I should try or prioritize? It looks to be a very cool concept. (The "pull" feature doesn't seem to work against schelemeus so I'm excited to try it out in erebus.

[tough pasture]

oh hey...just now seeing this. I'll give this a try.

[void pagoda]

I've fished for Appollo legendary but did not got it, I feel like with anubis it could go insane

[tough pasture]

i recently got ares. his curses don't make sense to me but it's no doubt working/powerful because i'm doing very high damage numbers...

[void pagoda]

Combo with Demeter Omega attack boost and maybe Aphrodite cast + heartthrobe for more damage sources

[void pagoda]

Oh yeah, Ares Appolo is ridiculous
You can go with this duo + Ares boon that make blade fall on ennemies affected by your omega moves
Damn this is stupid 🤣

Enjoy !

[tough pasture]

oh my...i just did my first 2 erebus rooms with anubis and this aspect goes CRAZY. wow. It just mentally "clicks" for me as well...

[lunar kiln]

wait how does mirrored trasher get boosted by the icarus hammer lvl up

is it just a lower mana cost

[tough pasture]

does apollo attack + aphro special work pretty well?

[void pagoda]

To get the duo you need hearthtrobe so nope
But Aphro special can weaken many ennemies at once, I don't know which combo it enables tho

[tough pasture]

anubis aspect description says i can get deceased shades to rally by using sprint, eh? I'll have to try that...

[quartz parrot]

how do i get ares ?

i cant find him

[tough pasture]

you have to reach typhon boss battle on surface.

[quartz parrot]

prometheus ?

[quartz parrot]

or the one after eris

[warped egret]

i thought just the region?

[willow phoenix]

You need to reach the summit

[viral dirge]

hey, how do i actually use the skull? i always struggle to beat even a single guardian with it, it's the only weapon i avoid

[bitter crown]

You need some burst damage with skull + upgrade it before using it. It will help a log. This weapon is all about spacing properly

[willow phoenix]

Which aspect

All 4 play differently

But in general skull gameplay is just mashing attack and special on repeat, you just need to fine tune how close you are to the enemy and how many shells you spend before using special

[fervent coyote]

oooooo interesting

though isn’t that a waste of the omega attack’s three hit property?

[plush vapor]

yeah it may be actually

maybe aphro could be better

[ruby crane]

What are the best Thanatos builds for surface runs (no rivals) in boons and stuff?

[bleak night]

Aphro Attack with Demeter Cast and Psychic Whirlwind or Seething Marauder

[ruby crane]

Nice, thanks!

[tough pasture]

wait...is it possible to chain together omega special smash attacks in berserk mode is activated in nergal? I think I just did after getting hecuba maxed out.

ETA: being able to air dash while doing the omega dash is so clutch. I think we can chain together up to 3 (or more) omega smashes (provided player has the magick to do it).

[paper tapir]

guys, i havent really look into the patch notes that much, but are greeneries not able to be sold for bones anymore?

[fervent coyote]

can raki peck at typhon

[olive tusk]

hello, whats the strat for rivals typhon final part 😭 I keep dying there

do I just have to thug it out and dodge it all which seems impossible

[brave dove]

you gotta lock in gamer

[sand shadow]

Holy WHAT

Rivals Chronos just did 500 damage to me 3x in a row

What was THAT why couldn't I dodge that

I've just been trying to beat all the RIvals bosses

Typhon was simple enough but dear god what is that phase 3 Chronos what IS that

He's so FAST

[shy quail]

finally beat VoR typhon!! now i have to try chronos lol

[empty sable]

Y'all I'm a Hex believer now. My first run after the update I got a zeus godsent sheep ball and it went crazy.

[sand shadow]

Good luck

I've made 3 attempts on Rival Chronos so far

All shredded down by phase 3 in less than 20 seconds...
My gameplan is to have a build that can kill him within that time

[willow phoenix]

p3 Chronos has a lot of wait for your turn moments, you need to wait out a lot of his moves and not get greedy

[sand shadow]

I can't tell what killed me though

That repeated 500 dmg

[willow phoenix]

hmm 500 is interesting

do you have night bloom?

[sand shadow]

I was just walking around when I get hit with a nuke

OH

[willow phoenix]

There is an interaction with night bloom that can just make you commit suicide with summoning the Healing Tempus and Eruption

[sand shadow]

WAS THAT IT? YEAH I DID HAVE NIGHT BLOOM

[sand shadow]

BRUHHHHH THAT WAS IT

[willow phoenix]

yeeah I got killed by that once too lol

[sand shadow]

So it hits me, trying to heal, for 500 damage?

[willow phoenix]

yeah lol

I think normally it should be healing you instead

[sand shadow]

That's so lame I totally had chronos there

[willow phoenix]

rip run killed by bug

[sand shadow]

I had 4x dmg omega attack - ares on Morrigan

Morrigan isn't even my favourite aspect it's just... the tryhard aspect

Okay I would be lying if I said the blades weren't my favourite weapon but I've been trying to force myself to be an axe main

[last cape]

Morrigan seems really fun but I've been struggling to clear with it at 32 fear

I think I won with it before getting to rivals 4 but fury 2 rivals 4 bosses feel like a crapshoot

[sand shadow]

Actually my other favourite aspect is persephone

[willow phoenix]

Persephone blast is very fun

[last cape]

Persephone is the only weapon I've killed unrivalled Typhon with lol

[sand shadow]

Ngl same

[last cape]

It's kinda busted

[sand shadow]

Iframes and hilarous damage, slap an Aphrodite on that thing and watch

[last cape]

I did record a nergal clear vs fury 2 rivals 4 chronos though

I think people are sleeping on that aspect

[sand shadow]

I don't have nergal yet sadly

[last cape]

Dang it was like the first one I got

[sand shadow]

My first was Anubis

[last cape]

Well keep talking to Charon

[stoic tinsel]

ugh I want to try out anubis but I still have testaments to do

[sand shadow]

Anubis is extremely fun

[brave dove]

dodge

like, a lot

[sand shadow]

Nah I was murdered by a bug, not by Chronos 😭

[quartz parrot]

Can somebody please tell me how to use secret knife aspect

[sand shadow]

Melee, special, omega special

Special, dash attack, omega melee

Omega melee, special, melee

Lots of good cycles, find your groove

[brave dove]

dash-special-hold attack for the fast combo

[sand shadow]

I personally like omega attack to close in, special, attack

[tulip sonnet]

new dagger aspect on hera is my favorite now.

thank you supergiant for my life.

[merry loom]

It’s hard to tell but does hostile environment + aspect of circe put both casts on Mel?

By the amount of dmg it seems like it does which is crazy

[sand shadow]

AHA I GOT HIM

[sand shadow]

I was JUST using it on Hera
God the crowd control is ridiculous

[tulip sonnet]

the aspect with hitch and possibly the added 222 on the hammer goes CRAZY esp with raki + ares

i was thinking shiva aph but honestly i dislike shiva. not as much as i do anubis though

[sand shadow]

Shiva I think is fun only with a good, repeatable hex

[toxic grotto]

One cast always goes on the pet with circe

[smoky badge]

hera atk or spesh?

[sand shadow]

ATK

[smoky badge]

ok bet havent tried her yet on the atk

[lean vapor]

can anyone give me a tarot loadout for death defiance

[uneven palm]

Lower left corner for rolls and cash, Death, Persistence, then whatever you want. DDs are in a better position to activate Divinity a buncha ways so look at that

[lean vapor]

yea i felt the strength nerfs too much for the surface bosses

[graceful iron]

does anyone have advice for polyphemus' vow of rivals fight? For some reason, that one is giving me way more bother than eris and prometheus??

[smoky badge]

**** is fire

[solemn loom]

3 dozen entries data. Hermes almost 90%.
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[lean vapor]

idk if its good advice but really just take it slow, if he has poison on his attacks you can wait it out first. the poison puddles are a lot more manageable for me at least. scorch is good since you can just kinda hit and run.

also does aspect of morrigan do a single attack first before you can charge omega attack? it messes up my timing

[olive tusk]

what are some good nergal builds

dmg as priority

[smoky badge]

apollo omega special build with apollo legendary is strong

[brave dove]

fast combo is dash-special-hold attack

[olive tusk]

what's your strategy for enemy attacks in the middle of that? dash and then hold atk again?

[brave dove]

you can dash while charging, it'll reset but it'll charge again very quickly because it has 0 wind up

just keep holding the button

[full kestrel]

anyone have a good build for anubis? i cant figure out how to play with it but im sure that its a good weapon so im trying to learn

[brave dove]

hestia attack and you're good to go, pick up zeus if you want more offensive power, demeter for defensive and tbh both is always good

aphro cast is an exceptionally good pickup as well

[lean vapor]

yea but an attack comes out first before the omega charges

[brave dove]

with that combo it's a 0 frame attack, essentially

so you get a very fast charge of the oattack

[lean vapor]

is that part of the moveset or is my mouse input just bugged

[brave dove]

that is just how omega moves work

[lean vapor]

i never notice i swear some moves you can charge immediately

[olive tusk]

got it

[olive tusk]

recently ive been doing static shock thunder rush air quality zeus, poseidon on spesh and hestia on atk

[willow phoenix]

I've just been doing o special focused builds on anubis and that has been much faster than anything I've done with it

Lile you just vacuum the entire room and blow it up

very good with like controlled burn, dual moonshot, fine line, righteous pike, and apollo stuff

[olive tusk]

I classify that one as among the comically strong builds, like old moros or possessed array skulls

[stoic tinsel]

Take it slow is generally good advice for any fight until you bring the clock out

[dusty basin]

does tall order stack with multiple elements

like if i have 8 water and 8 fire will it do 50%

[willow phoenix]

no

[candid swift]

are there any guides or whatnot on how to build every aspect properly? i've got the gist of it and gotten all the statues but i still want to be better at the game and have more consistently good builds

[woeful moth]

can anyone recommend skull regular attack build? I tried aphoro/apollo but still couldn't render decent damage agains bosses

[brave dove]

talking to people on here, mostly, there's guides to high fear but those aren't aspect focused

[candid swift]

makes sense, then just for starters what do people do on artemis? i usually just go heartthrobs on pink lady

[willow phoenix]

Pure %damage doesn't scale that well in h2 imo. Try adding Ares for Grievous Blow or get Possessed Array hammer. You need all the damage buff you can get too with stuff like Origination and Furies. You can also get stuff like Aphro bonus attack power boon or Zeus static shock to boost your normal attacks

[woeful moth]

What do you recommend putting on attacks? I basically try to fish for everything you mentioned but idk still not enough. Maybe because i play health 3.

[willow phoenix]

Hera probably

Ares is fine but for bosses you do need Grievous Blow for the damage

[dim kelp]

I suspect there won’t be a comprehensive general-purpose guide until after 1.0. It would be a lot for something that will continue to change, both in terms of the actual game state and the community understanding of it

High fear and speed running are narrower cases with highly-involved community members who are constantly sharing info, so there’s more that’s been pulled together for that

[mossy yoke]

I somehow just learned yesterday i can dash before releasing to preserve my charged O-attack on axe i swear that didnt use to be possible is that new?

[willow phoenix]

has always been the case iirc, you can do that for o special too

[mossy yoke]

Dang i wonder how that escaped me so far ive been maining the axe for hours

[dim kelp]

It’s not new, but I find it’s easy to accidentally release the charge before the dash registers, so perhaps you didn’t discover it before for that reason?

[magic moss]

i have a general high fear guide if you want to read that

[mossy yoke]

Distinctly possible

[dim kelp]

FWIW, it seems you can do the same with the coat omega attack. (Or, at least, you can with shiva. I haven’t played the other aspects recently)

[willow phoenix]

you can do it with other coats too

but it's kinda buggy in my experience, sometimes you dash then the o attack doesn't come out but it still eats your magick

[dim kelp]

Oh that’s a bummer

[willow phoenix]

you can also do the dash thing with staff o attack too, including anubis

[dim kelp]

I think I’ve been getting o-attacks on the Morrigan that don’t register sometimes, but it’s a little bit hard to tell whether I just got interrupted or what. But like, I’ll have the targeting marker and release and then just stand there and get hit

[willow phoenix]

yeah morrigan is kinda clunky in my experience too

[dim kelp]

Interesting. I never even thought to try that—getting the thing aimed properly with a joystick is hard enough without moving

[candid swift]

sure, where can i find it

[magic moss]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit?usp=sharing

https://docs.google.com/document/d/13fga8OmJIp2a3pSwO7A50bWF0WMQDsjIIUnFQHtOWFE/edit?usp=sharing

[dim kelp]

I really enjoy the slower specials that you can manipulate in flight, but I frequently find myself confused about the omega mark not appearing on an enemy that I thought was gonna be hit by it. Sometimes I just use the omega cast instead, but then it seems like enemies on the very edge can take the damage but not get marked

[candid swift]

thanks! looking at the high fear guide it's mostly things i already knew but i wanted to learn more about the things that are kinda skimmed over which is "mastery of aspect" and how to make the best with what you have for every specific aspect but it looks like i can probably just look at the 50 clears spreadsheet to learn more about what people do and try to find the reason behind it

[magic moss]

yeah the mastery part is supposed to go in conjunction to the spreadsheet

[brazen ore]

I also think people aren't making in depth guides just yet until the full release because we don't know what'll get changed

Like guides for optimal attack patterns/combos for each weapon, which I admittedly would find useful lol. I watch VODs for that

[dim kelp]

Or what’ll get discovered. It’s pretty common for something to be widely considered bad until someone comes along and does some crazy wizardry with it

[brazen ore]

That too. though I think people still make guides even knowing that someone else might find some crazy stuff out there

[pseudo pond]

any builds or duo boon that works well with shiva?

[candid swift]

what do people consider to be the best aspects right now? me and my friends have widely opposing opinions and i think that's a good thing, this won't change how i play but i'm kinda curious on what the community's general opinion is

[brave dove]

trick knives

medea is the strongest aspect and it's not close since they changed moros and pan

[dim kelp]

For sure! But like, with as new as the Unseen update is, we should expect significant new things to be discovered/developed pretty often for a while yet, ya know? So I think most guides would be pretty narrowly focused until things have settled a bit more

[brazen ore]

elephant rockets are kind of a must take for hammer. I had a decent time putting aphro on attack, hera on special, getting hearthrobs and fine line to take advantage of how much mana it eats

[pseudo pond]

I see, I will try it out then

[brazen ore]

(disclaimer that i play at low fear still, so this is likely not optimal and you should listen to a higher fear player if they chime in)

[brave dove]

I should try shiva

but I need to prep bread for tomorrow 😩

[brazen ore]

I like it so much in theory. I wish I liked it in practice

[elfin forge]

bread

[brazen ore]

Bread is very important

[elfin forge]

I should try shiva but all those other aspects kinda need nightmare

[brazen ore]

I give myself a reward of a hades run whenever I do 1000 words on the thesis

[pseudo pond]

honestly I just can't find any good synergy with shiva, kinda just hammer through with raw damage

[brazen ore]

so next time I'm gonna try it again

[willow phoenix]

I've just been using shiva as a hex machine tbh lol. Using shiva with maxed out Lunar Ray or Total Eclipse gets pretty insane quick

But in general Shiva just needs Apollo and Hera imo. Apollo helps a lot with the special explosion aoe and his legendary is good. Hera is just really good with Shiva due to born gain and hitch being a thing.

Hammers do make a lot of difference though, both elephant and the grant destruction stack on o attack block are very good

[dim kelp]

But yeah, regardless of the state of the game or community knowledge, being able to extract learnings from VODs is a good skill. Not everyone who excels at playing the game is good at teaching it, ya know? Some players are super-intuitive and can’t even articulate their own decisions after they’ve made them

[pseudo pond]

I see, any suggestion on morrigan? I find to be very strong at base, but lack synergy with a lot of boons

[brazen ore]

Yeah, there's not a ton that I could find personally asides from trying to stack up on the stuff that cares about you eating mana. I mean, you can do scorch freezerburn but that's not really shiva-specific its just generally good

[pseudo pond]

yeah, a lot of aspect can do that a lot better than shiva

[willow phoenix]

poseidon and hestia is good for attack, zeus is good on special. Static shock is amazing with the aspect and that makes master conductor amazing too

[pseudo pond]

I see, and particular duo boon I should look out for?

[brazen ore]

Oh yeah absolutely. Explaining something, especially attack patterns is tough, because those kind of become intuitive after a certain point of time

[willow phoenix]

Just the typical ones for those god combinations, Master Conductor, Killer Current, Scalding Vapor

[pseudo pond]

got it, thx

[dim kelp]

The hammer that gives 4 stacks of destructive when you block damage is quite nice too, though using the block successfully takes some practice. Good pickup if you can’t get elephant rockets though. I got both once and was really living the destroyer fantasy

[brazen ore]

but for me at least they really make or break my enjoyment of the weapon if I can't get them down, especially if I need to be incorporating omegas

[brazen ore]

that one also looked good but I was not at all confident in using the block well so I didn't take it lol

also when I saw it, I only had shiva at level 2 and I didn't know if it'd still work then or if it'd just max out my gauge and do nothing

[dim kelp]

Anything that boosts your o-attack channel speed is quite nice, and I like Aphro cast for both the safety of Weak and clustering enemies together to get multi-hit specials more easily

[dim kelp]

Yeah, I was playing on lower frenzy than usual because I wanted more breathing room to get a handle on the mechanics, and I ended up blocking too early a bunch and getting owned. But it worked often enough that I still got through typhon, which is a rarity for me on the coat in general

[dim kelp]

Oh, that’s a good question. I assume it would just max it for you, but I didn’t take shiva out until I got it to 4 or 5 max destructive stacks

It just seems like a design that would be painful at low level

[brazen ore]

i figured it would max but i was like would it even be worth maxing it when max is 2 and i could just also be doing damage then... also anything that affects my channel speed makes me really unreliable for muscle memory on blocks so i was like this sounds like signing myself up to get hit a bunch

[dim kelp]

Oh yeah, I’ve been scared of taking channel speed or “attacks” speed on coat for that reason

There’s also a bunch of stuff that is arbitrarily unblockable, much of which I had forgotten. Been too long since my all-Artemis-blades phase I guess

[brazen ore]

yeah it's quite painful at low level but I think there are a few of them that are like that unfortunately. Nergal SUCKS at low level. It's nice to feel rewarded for getting something to high level I suppose but I do kinda wish it didn't have such a steep curve

[brazen ore]

someone can correct me if I'm wrong but i believe artemis blades does actually block everything, even the "unblockable", which other blockable stuff like coat and old axe can't do

[dim kelp]

Oh! Well, that might explain my issue then.

[brazen ore]

but yes it is very unintuitive what is blockable and what is not

and you don't know until you get the little red Unblockable! pop up at which point you've already been hit and/or stunlocked

[dim kelp]

It would be nice if shiva’s block would at least trigger the destructive stacks, even if you took the damage

(Assuming you have the hammer)

[brazen ore]

yeah. I wish either that or elephant rockets were part of the base moveset for shiva, or the ospecial didn't take an eternity to land

[dim kelp]

It would be nice if the targeting stayed while it was in flight too, like the rail’s special, which it is clearly an homage to

[brazen ore]

overall I enjoy that the hidden aspects are mostly either on par or superior with the base aspects but shiva kinda just feels like it does nothing that any of the other coats wouldn't do better

[dim kelp]

Oh, I still like shiva better than the other coat aspects. If nothing else, the basic attack pattern feels a lot better to me. The 3-attack sequence feels more natural, as does weaving specials in between the sequence instances

I like Skyfall, but I really don’t know what to do with Selene besides just try to farm Skyfall as fast as possible

[brazen ore]

I like Mel coat the best personally but I like I go fast and punch things

[cloud scarab]

Does Hermes Success Rate have any effect on things like increasing crit chance? So like boons from Artemis ?

[timber pawn]

Yup

[gritty solstice]

bro.

Mel STaff with aphro Special is Nuke

[split igloo]

btw guys which is better banshee brand or phantom etchings on morrigan

[candid swift]

what do people build on artemis aspect? what should i be looking for on an artemis run

[elfin forge]

is poseidon attack the play on Morrigan

[elfin forge]

hm probably just stack as much power and % as you can on attack to get nice juicy crits?

Aphro, the power hammer, and then a crit would go crazy hard

[candid swift]

that's what i did in my 32 heat runs, was wondering if i was missing another way to play them and get more consistent with them

[eager ivy]

how does Shiva's gimmick work? I have a hard time understanding how its suppose to be used

Is it just O-special and then attacking for the executes?

[brave dove]

trick knives is the best hammer by far, other than that knives can basically make anything work

trick knives is a bit gimmicky in that your special becomes the bulk of your damage so you want blitz on attack when you usually want it on special but like, you can't really go wrong with knives if you're building anything that self-synergises

[elfin forge]

wow ok I don't think poseidon attack is the play on morrigan

I'm looking at 20 damage waves at a Pom'd Blue Pos attack

[brave dove]

oh yeah it doesn't get to multihit like scorch does iirc

[elfin forge]

no I think it does, it's just that poseidon's attack numbers are just too low maybe?

[brave dove]

I mean I tried with a heroic poseidon and it was kinda lame

[tall notch]

Poseidon and Hestia exist in this strange design space where there's always an objectively stronger god between the two

And they're just taking turns being the stronger one

[elfin forge]

yeah they both are kinda in the niche of suiting high attack rates

it's like, hestia + static shock, or poseidon + static shock

[brazen ore]

I wish there was another one that did that to be honest because I feel kinda bad that everything devolves into scorch build for me lol

I need to stop myself from doing it but it's sooooo hard because everything I do is "wow this would be way better with scorch..."

[elfin forge]

yeah even slow weapons like scorch because it's a lot of damage per second to be leaving on the table

like scorch special on non hidden axe, or on casts

[tall notch]

Scorch on cast kinda sucks rn, unless you get heroic it won't keep up with the base scorch tick rate. Her other stuff is good tho

[lost field]

i like it for origination if nothing else shows up and wards removal

[brave dove]

I don't know that this is the case right now, I think they're actually at a good balancing point

froth is genuinely very strong

and king tide c ontinues to exist

[hallow aspen]

dude aspect of supay with sanguinary favor is crazy

got 300% bonus move speed and melinoe was sliding

[shy quail]

I still havent gotten morrigan, i have beaten typhon VoR but I have seen artemis once and didn't get morrigan😭

[elfin forge]

You need 1 rank 5 aspect and both artemis and pan unlocked

[idle bough]

Last night I killed Eye of Typhon in ~3 seconds on Supay, with a single scorchy Omega Special and Freezer Burn proc w/ Grievous Blow and/or Mutual D? Maybe with a Raki crit on top of it? Popped it as soon as the rolling eye spawn and he just died lmao.

Can't upload a screenshot but can someone tell me if anything else had to be at play here or did I really double crit and do 25000 damage? Lol. Running Strength, The Furies, The Huntress. EM4 with no other fear modifiers

[shy quail]

i have both fully maxed out😭😭 the only weapon aspect i don't have fully aspect is Hel which isn't related at all and I had them maxed before I met artemis that one time

[elfin forge]

ok then talk to artemis again

keep in mind that you can't get more than one hidden per run. So if in that run you got the Hel phrase, you wouldn't be able to get the Morrigan phrase afterwards

[shy quail]

makes sense, the eye does a lot of damage to itself by just popping out its eye and its extremely easy to kill since it doesn't have as much hp as the tail (i dont think), nearly same thing happened to me when I was using aspect of persephone

[shy quail]

I'll try but artemis isn't common for me, I've done atleast 10 runs since I unlocked the other last hidden aspect yet she hasn't popped up once lol

I'll keep trying though

[elfin forge]

if you really want to speedrun it, do surface, then do the centaur hearts and mana pots rooms. If she doesn't show up, die and reset

on surface, Artemis only appears in those two specific rooms

[hallow aspen]

wait do you need to beat typhon VoR to get morrigan's?

[shy quail]

wouldn't the underworld be faster though because she fan pop up in the ash and bones rooms?

[shy quail]

No I think I'm just unlucky lol

[elfin forge]

yeah but you can just do those two rooms without doing any other. It's just 4 rooms cleared each attempt.

[bleak gale]

Trying to beat VoR Chronos but night's thirst keep selecting Axe and Knives while I only play Hidden Aspects

Is there even any hope for Nergal axe? Morrigan's only issue for me is Phase 2's healing hourglasses

[spring holly]

Fun fact I just learned that the Morph curse will instantly destory thyphons eggs made my first rival fight with him that must easier

[jagged zinc]

Is Selene aspect good now with the "god spells'" ? didnt have time to try

I tried without Selene though and it looked bad so I dont expect much but...

[chrome verge]

could do some plasma stuff with alot of health and just smack alot really hard with nergal. as for morrigan it def seems possible ot just kill chronos through healing, dunno tho

[jagged zinc]

I beat Chronos with Morrigan, I wont recommend though

This weapon is so bad compared to the good ones

[spring holly]

Selene has always been better at crowd control then anything else but the god spells can be hit or miss depending on what selene boon you have. It also only activates on the first use.

[jagged zinc]

I mean the coat
Yeah you can get +x use though

[spring holly]

Build idea: Hept rapid fire rocket launcher. Get Hept special or attack as high leveled as you can so it hits every second and get his duo boon with Hestia and Demeter. Automatic 1000 damage every second

[willow phoenix]

You need to start with ares keepsake first for skyfall godsent

It's better than standard selene coat I guess, but very reliant on path of stars rng and needs tons of investment for it to feel good

[willow phoenix]

https://youtu.be/eXDcUxoA-8M?si=v03nkGyJsQJs1Qmi
Look at this damage though

[spring holly]

That's a lot of damage

[sudden inlet]

I feel like The Morrígan isn’t so much a bad weapon as people need to figure out tech with it

[jagged zinc]

Lmao nice thats exactly what I was looking for. Gz

[sudden inlet]

Has the problem where you want to proc Blood Triad to maximize burst and DPS but you have to do it in a specific way

[jagged zinc]

Idk I tried it extensively today, it's scuffed for minimal results

[spring holly]

The best way to use Morrigan IMO is speical-attack-omega cast

[teal cairn]

How exactly does one trigger destruction levels with aspect of Xiva? It mentions I need to use specials, but frankly only the Omega Special seem to do anything

[sudden inlet]

Absorb special like with Eris

[teal cairn]

What is Xiva's intended playstyle? I'm really confused on how to play using it

[spring holly]

Got to say that the new Cierce Aspect is dummy stupid. Having two casts is broken

[teal cairn]

Eris rail?

[sudden inlet]

Correct

[teal cairn]

Was Eris' rail the one where you needed to recharge for extra damage?

[sudden inlet]

You get Destruction from Omega specials iirc

It’s way too reliant on getting good hammers

[teal cairn]

I see, so I'm not playing it wrong, I guess

[sudden inlet]

Also depends on which Gods you put on attack and special

[teal cairn]

It doesn't seem much fun tbh

[sudden inlet]

I tried using it for a run or two and it just didn’t click for me

[teal cairn]

I can see why, honestly I hated Eris' rail

Always went with Demeter's or Zag's

[sudden inlet]

I liked Eris’ rail and Hestia

[teal cairn]

Wait, was it Hestia's?

[sudden inlet]

So far of all the hidden aspects the only two I’ve genuinely enjoyed are Agoobis and The Morrígan

[tropic prairie]

Quick question is Uncanny Fortitude still in the game?

[sudden inlet]

Hestia, Zagreus, Eris, and Lucifer were the rail aspects in H1

Fists were Zagreus, Talos, Demeter, and Enkidu

[teal cairn]

I'm trying to recall what Hestia's aspect did

Zag's was straight to the point, really liked that

Extra ammo

[sudden inlet]

Hestia gave boosted damage shot on reload

So if you did it like my dumb self used to do, every shot was boosted since it’d be fire > dash and reload > fire

[teal cairn]

Oh... Hestia's was the one I didn't enjoy, then

[sudden inlet]

Yes.

Haven’t given Hel aspect a whirl yet and don’t really have the Nightmare to upgrade it yet because keep slacking on Vow

[forest oxide]

Do you guys think Plasma is good for Nergal? It seems to be a love it or hate it boon for the weapon

[night cosmos]

yo quick question, did the glitch where stutter step can be buffed by bridal glow get patched out

[strong dawn]

Yes but they nerfed it so it's not as high of a %.

[meager bramble]

Are there situations where Born Gain isn't the best-in-slot option?

[elfin forge]

if you want defense I guess where you use Heph Gain for a smidge of DR

Aphro is an easy curse

[meager bramble]

Oh yeah, I guess I should've said "assuming you're looking to use your gain boon for magic"

[elfin forge]

yeah born gain is just bis

[willow phoenix]

When you can prime out lol. Born gain scales well but runs the risk of priming out

Apollo is very good for charon and if you wave winner circle

Zeus and Poseidon are good if you don't have super high magick but have really high cost, Poseidon in particular is good for this

Hestia is good with mirrored trasher, decent enough for like Nyx too

Demeter is okayish if you have a lot of magick, you do need to be mindful of it though

[meager bramble]

I find Demeter weirdly fun, that panic of "where do I grab a second to stand still?"

[forest oxide]

I find Apollo to be the better gain boon now. It’s virtually zero risk. I out primed during a Typhon fight with Pan lmao I thought, never again

[harsh glacier]

anyone else find anubis kind of awkward to play with? maybe I just don't use it right ;w;

[tall notch]

I find it weird to fight bosses with, very enjoyable in rooms though

[analog ether]

It's really not great against highly mobile bosses like Eris or Prometheus.

[elfin forge]

I find it quite good in Eris, she tends to fall in them often, and they spawncamp the bombs when they drop

It's also decent in Prometheus imo. You can plant and run, letting scorch+hitch tick away on the two of them

[clear quartz]

What are the best gods to focus on for a cast build? Poseidon and Apollo both seem good for their omega cast bonuses, are there any others like that? And what God does the highest dps with the cast itself, the slotted one?

[analog ether]

Cast itself, I think Zeus is still king?

Hestia gives a good run for his money though, since Scorch got buffed.

Demeter is decent, but you're taking her for the crowd control, not the damage.

[willow phoenix]

Demeter Zeus Ares, last Poseidon or Apollo

You can do something like Demeter/Zeus/Pos cast + arctic gale + meat grinder + hostile environment + local climate + geyser spout + froth somewhere + Air Quality

I like Zeus because air quality really buffs up a lot of cast boons' damage

Apollo would be decent but I don't find Glorious Disaster worth bothering

Use Circe staff for cast build too for double the fun

[analog ether]

Heph sadly isn't as good now that Cling Clang got nerfed.

He's not bad, just not as good anymore.

[elfin forge]

isn't the clang part basically unchanged

the defensive part is sadly nerfed though

[willow phoenix]

Less synergy with winner circle, also I think the scaling got nerfed

[elfin forge]

yeah I don't like new winner's circle, even though I don't know the math precisely lol

[analog ether]

Glorious Disaster I think would be fine, if it didn't require you to charge your Omega twice.

Especially since the second charge takes longer than the first.

[half kindle]

Best Boons for Witch Staff this patch? I'm thinking Momus aspect

[wintry ore]

any boons that give you extra sauce when you use omgas for extra magic. poseidon, hera, and ares have them. maybe more that i'm forgetting

[half kindle]

thx!

[fringe dust]

Brave Face doesn't charge your hex when it uses your Magick, I think it should

[plush beacon]

I cannot figure how to do early scaling on the coat

[elfin forge]

the answer is hestia as usual

(unless you have onion in which case the answer is... suffer?)

[plush beacon]

I keep feeling like I’m going into rivals 1 underpowered

[elfin forge]

I'm currently rocking this Nyx build that someone else piloted

basically the loop is Omega sprint -> Autofire normal hestia missiles until buff runs out

and then attack, cast, and sprint are for applying curses

[plush beacon]

Also the poison sheep in the rivals arena are the worst

Had a strong start ruined because I was literally unable to dash out and got combo’d

[elfin forge]

autofire seems especially cracked on coat

[plush beacon]

Tried Nyx Hestia attack but not special

[plush beacon]

We’ll just got done melting Poly, so far so good

[rich belfry]

I didn't know about the selene aspects having Ares as a bonus boon if I upgraded ittttttttttttt

[cerulean panther]

Yeah, it's not great.

[last plover]

wait chaos can just offer you nothing but debuffs?

[narrow acorn]

TIL you can sheep ball charybdis' tentacles

[last plover]

wait nvm i think its a bug

[willow phoenix]

But not in rivals scylla sadly

[narrow acorn]

sad

[civic salmon]

what does everyone think of the torch changes? personally i really preferred the animation of the circling flames before

[willow phoenix]

I like the change in general. The normal special is also better than before imo, especially for eos

It's sad that fine line righteous pike spam is harder to do but that's probably a good thing lol

[civic salmon]

Idk why but I just loved righteous pike pre patch

[sudden inlet]

Aphrodite has Heartthrob as well, and Zeus has lightning when you spend magick

[willow phoenix]

Power surge is so pathetic damage wise I don't think it's worth as consideration though lol

But Zeus is good in general yeah

[paper tapir]

what does psychic leash dmg count as, special? cast? or is it just entirely unique

[silent crow]

unique

[bleak gale]

.... I actually did it w Nergal Axe first try lmao

The Ares Legendary helps, but man Polymorph Hex is super good

[paper tapir]

a shame, thanks

[frail fulcrum]

I was super surprised that polymorph hex worked on the dragon boss in Olympus. The 'turn into food' chance procced. Incredible.

[robust prism]

what boons do you want for new aspect of persephone?

does it only charge up with stuff like scorch or poseidon waves?

[willow phoenix]

Any Olympian damage so like zeus lightning in general, scorch, waves, blast, heartthrobs, etc

[willow phoenix]

My personal favorite is just going blast build since you have so many poms. So like Heph Attack + Back Burner + as many blast duos as you can get

[robust prism]

thanks I'll try it

[willow phoenix]

Chain Reaction > Room Temperature > Love Handles/Rude Awakening is my blast duo tier

[robust prism]

wait attack, not special?

[willow phoenix]

Attack so you can get it to 2/3 second fairly easily

From the start

[bleak gale]

Really speaks volumes to the Hades 2 "powercreep" now they just hand out free lv6 boons bundled w an Aspect

I love it

Also bigger example in Luckier Tooth lol

[robust prism]

what's a good special boon for it then, zeus?

[willow phoenix]

You can do stuff like this with low cd blast

https://youtu.be/B9LJP7C9xOY?si=5uhQmSfvzEVdxaEF

This is without backburner and chain reaction too so the damage could've been much higher

[vital ledge]

could reduce it to 3 max and it would still be good probably

[willow phoenix]

Zeus is good damage wise but I prefer demeter and just going for room temperature build. Or you can put demeter in cast too and go with something else on special

Personally I think the duos matter more so fitting Apollo/Hestia/Demeter there is more important. Hera is a good choice too with extended family and hitch

[robust prism]

gotcha

[sly plaza]

Room Temp on new mom skull cooks fr

Like I know there are better builds but the omega special + freeze is great for safety if you run Frenzy

[willow phoenix]

#h2-feedback message
@merry bronze
On flood gain,
Flood gain still works if you run out of magick, in fact if say you have 0 magick and the move costs 50 you'll regen that 50 back

[sly plaza]

Or well “better” as in more DPS

[willow phoenix]

You could just get all the duos

Dps wise it's only backburner + chain reaction that's better anyway

[sly plaza]

Fr. I don’t even care what they do, gimme lime green boons

Like my tiny brain wants the rare stuff

[willow phoenix]

Fr, me killing my run by getting natural selection too early because I can't refuse a duo

[vital ledge]

until you see the hermes legendary

[sly plaza]

Me when I’m doing a Hestia and I get epic pyro tech, but I need to take whatever weird duo I’ve enabled because my FOMO is too crazy

I killed my 50 fear Rival Chronos run last night because I was an idiot in the pre fight shop 😭

[willow phoenix]

Especially when it's just Incandescent Aura and you can't even use it

[merry bronze]

then however it happened that i got locked out of my omegas on rivals 3 prom 😭 damn

mustve been something else, ty tho

[sly plaza]

I should have just taken more armor from Heph but I got his duo with someone

Don’t even know what duo, it was just pretty

[willow phoenix]

Maybe it was on cd? Waiting the cd is a pain yeah

[merry bronze]

no i meant like permanently for the rest of the fight

[willow phoenix]

Hmm interesting

[merry bronze]

which was why i did my feedback ab that, idk

[willow phoenix]

I just tried it again, it still worked like I described so dunno

With Shiva on 0 magick I was able to regen back to 50 ish

[merry bronze]

yeah dw i believed u, as i said its prob something else and i mistook it or just a bug

[brave dove]

vow of denial stops me from not refusing them lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lMXqNn-aaU look at this nonsense

extended pause from like 20 seconds to 1:20 as I complain vociferously on discord

[hallow aspen]

hey guys, what is the trigger for the anubis aspect?

it's the only one i'm missing

[spare kite]

Have all staff aspects unlocked, one at rank 5, talk to circe and pray

[hallow aspen]

ty

[sage pecan]

How do you all choose your 4 gods?
Like, I main medea skull, so I usually go Zeus on special due to blitz enabled by skull pops, Hera/Aphro/Ares on attack to either enable double curse and crowd clearing or increase nuke multiplier. I can think of the third being Heph for defense. How do you pick a fourth god?

Its worse for others like artemis daggers, like ik aphro is good for higher mult, but what else? Heph is good in general I suppose

I can think of maybe Demeter for omega attack increase, but thats extremely specific

[tall notch]

Unironically I'll pick Demeter in every run if she shows up and I don't build around a different cast boon

[sage pecan]

Her cast seemed fine to me, is it extremely good or something?

[brave dove]

freeze is the best crowd control in the game

[sage pecan]

I was good at gods in Hades1, but hades 2 gods feel way more specific

[brave dove]

and demeter can add gust on top of that for an additional slow

[sage pecan]

I see, so good general pick for her cast and cc

[brave dove]

basically demeter is good in every build, even aside the cast stuff she has snow queen, steady growth, plentiful forage and some great duos

her gain is actually decent with poms/rarity now as well

[tall notch]

Yes freeze cast is amazing crowd control, curse for orig, a prerequisite tick for a lot of good duos and okay damage

[sage pecan]

Huh, I barely ever pick her, Ill try her out on a random run ig

Should I just rote learn all the boons and duos?

[tall notch]

Freezer burn or hail freeze in Erebus is unironically a won run already

Dem fits into any aspect

[sage pecan]

ive heard freezer burn a bunch, never bothered to find out what it meant

[tall notch]

Scorch goes big boom and hits for a couple thousand damage any time you freeze something. Scorch cap nerfed its peak potential but the duo is still very good

[past salmon]

It consumes all scorch on the target and deals that scorch damage x2

[twin fog]

You can get even higher than 1k scorch with the hestia godsent hex.

[brave dove]

yeah I've seen like 4k freezerburn noncrits posted

[jagged zinc]

Supay aspect is really imbalanced :d

Got Uber Typhoon first try with it

[wild sun]

I don't do knives as often as I used to, but when I do, freezer burn is one of the three builds I usually think of.

[quartz parrot]

||can anybody give me a build for the aspect of morrigan||

[cerulean panther]

Hostile Environment (Dem/Ares Duo), Hera Attack, your choice in Special. Blitz is good.

[quartz parrot]

I dont have ares thats the problem

[jagged zinc]

What's the play with Nergal ? I feel the atk does 0, the omega atk is suicidal vs vor bosses... Maybe Special / Omega Special ?

[willow phoenix]

omega special spam is good

especially if you get like giga cleaver + apollo legendary

Tons of hits and decent damage, the heal you get is also big since o spec does a lot of hits

https://youtu.be/JK-T29_G50I
like this

[jagged zinc]

seems nice ty

i was going for something like that, giga cleaver is very rng though

[willow phoenix]

Yeah but in general I do feel like o special is still better than just using attack

If you get psychic whirlwind you can try using o attack with it too

[fluid quail]

Poseidon or Hestia for Supay / hel?

[sage flame]

pos attack for hel for sure

[dapper elbow]

I think that the two core gods for nergal are ares and Aphrodite.

[jagged zinc]

In the trashcan with Morrigan xd

[gritty abyss]

Does the flood gain CD start when it activates, or when it ends?
Like, is 100% uptime possible or will it still have dead time regardless (it's powerful so I wouldn't be upset about it, but i do wonder how it works)

[willow phoenix]

When it ends

[sand flower]

with aspect of morrigan, does sprinting with a never-retrieving special behind you all way down reflect the initial design of this weapon, or it's just a bug?