h2-builds-and-combat

[brazen ore]

but good if you're planning for it/that interaction

[tough pasture]

Also, this is why I haven't bothered trying to do 50+ fear runs (topping out at around 42 (43?) fear) because I know skills will be added and removed.

I'll just wait for v1.0 before trying to get on those lists...

[brazen ore]

but consider: if you do it now, you'll do it before things get nerfed

[tough pasture]

<shrug> won't matter long-term.

I'm still not over sgg knocking down charged flight on the shield special from 400% to 200% on daedalus hammer for beowulf aspect which was my personal favorite build (with aphro special and poseidon dash + their duo boon upscaling).

That was my "AMMMMIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRR NOOOOOOOOO!" moment on this server.

[barren marsh]

I just hope that the new torch hidden aspect doesn't get gutted

[tough pasture]

Haven't gotten it yet but watched someone else's stream and it looks excellent. I'm excited to try it...

[brazen ore]

yeah, that's fair. i'm not really even touching fear and probably wont until game fully comes out, i havent had enough time to actually get good enough at anything. like i know the theory but the practice is not there

[barren marsh]

Scorch on special melts things

I've found zeus dash to be pretty good for hidden torch, too

[brazen ore]

im still trying to get enough shade scales or whatever theyre called to unlock the weapons i did get

idk why summit is so stingy with the seeds

[surreal hazel]

bring doggo

[brazen ore]

i am bringing doggo but shes not helping very much lol she seems to buff spawns of everything but seeds

[tough pasture]

Btw, I still do not understand the appeal/value of xinth coat. All of the coat's aspects feel weird to me...

I've tried to figure out why it feels so unintuitive and I think it's because I delusionally keep trying to do omega attack + special builds when dash builds are better.

<shrug>

I don't recall struggling with a weapon like this in hades 1. Of course, there were aspects I didn't like in hades 1 (for instance poseidon aspect on sword, just didn't like cast builds) but this is the first time an entire weapon has felt terrible to me.

[surreal hazel]

I really don't understand what's so complicated about it. It's really pretty standard in terms of melee and ranged attack buttons

[brazen ore]

i really like it as base mel aspect focusing on regular attack when i can get in close, ospec/specials when i cant. i honestly do not use the omega attack on it very much at all

i put something like scorch or sshock on attack and just unga bunga it

[woven idol]

Hey all, what's the main boons I should be taking when playing Anubis Staff?

[tough pasture]

I'm not sure it's complicated as it is...just weird for me. I think it's because I wasn't expecting a mech build to be so...slow.

Like if something doesn't mentally "click" for me the way a seatbelt clicks into place, I have trouble with it as an autistic individual.

I think I was expecting it to be like the gun/rail in hades 1 and it's not.

[surreal hazel]

oh it's nothing like that

[brazen ore]

i actually like it because its fast! the attack is pretty fast. i think of it more like the gloves from h1 than anything else

[surreal hazel]

(okay the hidden aspect is a bit like the rail)

you can do pretty reasonaly well with the coat just by flying around punching stuff with Mel aspect

Shimmering rockets makes it stupid good

[tough pasture]

I'll give it another try...probably this weekend.

[surreal hazel]

the omega attack is... okay

omega special is fine to spam

[atomic ibex]

Get scorch attack and static shock

[woven idol]

the special is zeus?

how does the Aspect fare against bosses? I imagine not so good

[atomic ibex]

There's a lot you can take for the special

[bleak night]

decently well as long as you play around your AoE

it will demolish Hecate, Scylla, Cerberus, Polyphemus and Typhon

the rest move around too much but you can still play around your AoE

[surreal hazel]

it's a bit hit and run

[fluid quail]

what are some easy surface builds?

[cedar rampart]

Flood Gain and Ice Flourish feel pretty decent on Shiva imo. I want to see some tweaking to the weapon because it’s pretty unwieldy but the concept is so sick! I hope they add an animation to add more hands to your attack while your destructive. Even if it doesn’t add more hits it would be cool to see more hands

I think the concept and lore is my favourite from the new aspects but it just feels a bit awkward. It’s VERY strong at 6 stacks but stacking feels hard and the attack feels smoother but not significantly different from the base moveset. I would prefer if the omega was multihit or something because right now Shiva feels like 2 normal aspects combined instead of a hidden aspect

[atomic ibex]

Heph legendary reduces your Nergal cooldown to 4

[boreal jolt]

It won't let me post an image, but I got a new unlisted Dionysus boon. I was using hidden aspect Staff and it's called Reckless abandon; all your attacks either deal 5, 55 or 555 damage

Success rate helped it go brrr

[lusty heron]

how does gift gift gift with experimental hammer work ?

i just get another one next region ?

[analog scarab]

yes

[lusty heron]

Nice thx

[buoyant bronze]

do you know how you got that?

[left sentinel]

so if I want to give coat another try, shock or scorch as my attack are recommended?

[toxic grotto]

depends on aspect etc

base gloves should be quite good with shorch now or poseidon is still great

just get massive attackspeed or the dash strike hammer and go to town

[bleak gale]

Nergal reminds me of Arthur x Guan Yu

The lifesteal part is not for our benefit, it's there to mitigate how often you're getting hit I feel

[left sentinel]

I need to get used to dash strike builds. I was prob gonna do mel aspect to get the feel for the weapon again

[scenic pagoda]

Anyone know what the requirements for the skull hidden aspect are? I unlocked every other hidden aspect but this one

[atomic ibex]

Unlock all the skull aspects, then talk to medea

[scenic pagoda]

Thanks!

[quasi haven]

hey, what arcana cards do you guys use after the update? I'd quite like to activate the +50% of rare or legendary, but can't figure a way without it costing me a lot of different stuff

[quartz parrot]

Guys i just bought hades II and played for a bit ,but i dont get which gods are more powerful and which weapons should i use ,im speaking of this with abuot 3 hours of gameplay

[brave dove]

play another 10 then come back if you're having trouble still IMO, basically all weapons and gods are decent at this stage

there's not much point telling you about a gangbusters build when you don't have the tools to force it right now and you've got a tonne of stuff to discover still

the main thing I'll say is that h2 goes very hard early, because you get a lot of power out of the arcana - way more than you could get from the mirror of night, so don't get discouraged if it's tough

the metaprogression will kick in eventually

[vale shard]

you just started, all gods are powerful

[quartz parrot]

The main problem i have right now is max health

[vale shard]

the main problem is dodgin attacks

[brave dove]

Yeah, that's something progression will help a lot with — once you unlock familiars, the first one you get will give you up to +40 max hp

[quartz parrot]

That seems like crazy numbers

[vale shard]

lol

[brave dove]

I can end a run with like 700 hp if I really try, h2 is combinatorics city

well actually maybe not that was kinda premised on a boon that got nerfed this patch, but 500 should still be doable

[quartz parrot]

🙀

Ok i have to go back to playing

[vale shard]

you really shouldnt be aiming for max hp tho, dmg is king

[tulip mortar]

guys, which boons do you think it would work well with morrigan's aspect with aphrodite in attack?

[quartz parrot]

I like hestia for dps

[vale shard]

hestia is in a good place rn

[quartz parrot]

My most disliked is prob zeus he seems like ares from hades I but doom activated way faster

[brave dove]

zeus is cracked but you need to play around him and he benefits heavily from just, going all-in on him and stacking like eight of his boons

[vale shard]

blitz is omega strong tho, dont sleep on him

blitz activates as fast as your build, for most part it def activates faster than doom depending on you

[brave dove]

it did also get nerfed this patch

[quartz parrot]

Ok i have to go fight Scylla with 29 hp no death defiances and a dream

[brave dove]

I have faith

[vale shard]

you got this

[quartz parrot]

Its not my first time beating her atleast

And i died

[brave dove]

you'll get her next time

[quartz parrot]

How do i get bronze

[vale shard]

bring raki to the surface

[quartz parrot]

I just unlocked to go to the surface

[loud moat]

So if I’m understanding correctly:

With the Black Coat - Shiva

You’re supposed to Omega Special, then “catch” the blast with your Omega Attack to gain a damage bonus and instant kills at 8% or less HP.
This bonus can stack up to 6 times.

Is that right? It sounds very magicka heavy. Any suggestions on boons that work well with it? I’m assuming based damage/percent increases are probably best.

Figuring out the gameplay loop of these new weapons is fun, but some help would be appreciated.

[loud moat]

Blitz and Ares Cut Above work great. Omega attack/special apply both blitz and the sword. You can throw it on an enemy and the damage from the sword will proc blitz automatically.

It’s Arc Flash with extra steps.

[sage flame]

I think you just have to be in the omega special aoe when it lands, no need for using an omega attack to absorb it afaik

[loud moat]

Ok. So gameplay loop looks like Omega special, exist in AoE when it hits, do so a couple times to stack damage bonus and then attack things. Cool.

Could see Hitch on Special being good. Hitch a crowd, then attack.

[sage flame]

when I first used it I just spammed omega specials around and attacks in between

just never wanna run out of stacks

[loud moat]

I suppose the Omega attack launching you forward is supposed to help with quickly moving Mel into the AoE?

[sage flame]

sure, plus it gets nice damage increases from destructive

[loud moat]

Ok I gotchu. I tried it for a bit but couldn’t really grasp the concept. I’ll have to run it back.

[sage flame]

it's like 25% more damage per stack lol

[loud moat]

It’s just the damage increase that stacks I assume?

25
50
75
100
125
150

[sage flame]

thats how i assume it works yea

[loud moat]

It also mentioned an instant death effect at 8% or less health

[atomic ibex]

It's definitely hard to use, since the omega special is so slow and the damage without destructive isn't great. However, it has 2 great hammers that massively changes how it's played

[loud moat]

Oooo haven’t looked at the hammers. What do they do?

[sage flame]

one gives you a secondary explosion when you absorb the ospecial for like 5 extra magick

that's the special shiva hammer that I ran into

[atomic ibex]

It has one hammer (forgot the name) that gives you 4 stacks whenever you block. This lets you focus on the omega attack, and quickly stack destructive, mich faster than using the specials.

The other one, elephant rockets, shoots your specials straight ahead. This means if you fire the omega special in melee range, you immediately get destructive, which also lets you stack that way faster

It also has a hammer that increases the instakill to 13%, which is great against bosses

[loud moat]

Oh damn. Ok Shiva immediately makes me want to run Black coat again.

I’m feeling like this update mixed up all my usual favorite weapons. So many minor changes to older aspects.

[sage flame]

they did buff the coat in general too so it's worth checking them out to see how they feel now

[loud moat]

What other coats did they change?

I hadn’t looked too deeply at aspects I already unlocked. Ran it through with Circe staff and was confused AF at first lol

[atomic ibex]

The aspects are the same, but the basic moves all got extra power

[loud moat]

Oh so buffs to the base power. Nice. Yea they never felt fast enough to justify having low attack power

[sage flame]

the coats, all aspects, attack, oatrack, and ospecial all got damage buffs

and nyx nightspawn activates olympian effects now

[loud moat]

How does that work?

Like if you have Poseidon waves it “activates” them again? Or spreads them?

Does it activate cut above automatically on all basic attacks?

Or it buffs Olympic damage?

[sage flame]

the patch notes say "olympian effects" so I assume any non damage effects that a core boon gives

might still apply scorch tho

idk if there's an in game tool tip for "olympian effects"

[loud moat]

I’ll have to take a look! Thank you!

What’s the deal with Supay? It just auto fires attack and special? Then you omega to increase their rate?

[atomic ibex]

Yep. But most of the damage comes from the dash

[vital jackal]

How does plasma work with the anubis aspect? It would be really cool if it decreased the attack intervall of the aoe

[last cape]

Wow Anubis staff is really good. I have apollo attack with the legendary, mirrored ankh and soulfilled ankh and the damage fields are huge

[mighty bramble]

Is the Aspect or Nergal bad
It felt bad

[brazen ore]

i personally don't like it but i really hate slow attacking weapons. lots of people like it, but it does seem to be one of the weaker aspects ESPECIALLY before its fully upgraded

[inland bobcat]

I’ve been having a lot of fun with Supay it’s very born gain reliant imo but most torch aspects are

[dapper elbow]

I guess for the order of keepsakes for Selene coat Is start with ares and then the next region Selene keepsake.

[inland bobcat]

I haven’t played Selene in a while but I usually start with Moon Beam I’m not the most optimal player so I could be wrong

[magic moss]

yeah you start moon beam on selene

[dapper elbow]

What if you want the godsent upgrade?

[brazen ore]

correct me if im wrong but i think godsent has negative synergy with selene coat. like dont you need to have a boon before getting the hex at all?

[dawn linden]

Does Scorch Damage of 120 (Epic quality, lvl1) on blades seem correct? I always thought Blade's specials bonus from Hestia was around 20-30?

[willow mesa]

oo i like the new froth

[atomic ibex]

If you have an ares boon, then the last upgrade of Skyfall can be the godsent version

[brazen ore]

thanks for the info, that's good to know!

[atomic ibex]

The godsent version of Skyfall is really strong btw, just straight up adds 50 power per hit. This plus the new Athena boons sounds quite strong

[solemn loom]

Patch 9 boon-icon map: Duo/NPC/Unseen etc. https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/Boons
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1272385014150991875/1385286840679923813/Screenshot_2025-06-19_at_11.55.01_AM.png?ex=68558468&is=685432e8&hm=f2b998d683bc0bfee8735caddd4489d4f203c072db82a0470ad60711a2eb41d7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1486&height=792

[brazen ore]

havent played with selene coat nearly enough, with the godsent on skyfall does it get around the only once per encounter thing?

[last cape]

Nah it's incredible

[atomic ibex]

Godsent is always just the first one per encounter. However, Athena has a boon that lets you use it multiple times per encounter

[brazen ore]

Oooh OK thanks. yeah i need to actually try out selene stuff

[last cape]

I think it's really strong but you definitely have to get used to 'leading your shots' with a heavy weapon, almost like it's a slow projectile. Thankfully the aoe on nergal is so huge you really don't have to be that precise lmao

[ember frigate]

what boons do you reccomend axe's hidden aspect?

[last cape]

Any % attack, but Apollo, Hera or Aphro are probably your best bets imo. Save someone like Ares for the special

[gloomy shuttle]

Apollo attack is good

[last cape]

Or zeus

[brazen ore]

oh broog i tried hephaestus on persephone skull on the specials and it kinda slaps. by the time the specials are ready to go, so is clang

[last cape]

Persephone skull is so good, it was what let me clear EM4 32 fear on both sides. I think nergal and supay are the only other weapons I've gotten close with lmao

I have beaten chronos with both of those weapons but ughh just getting to Typhon is brutal

[brazen ore]

yeah, perseph skull got me my second only typhon kill lol. i havent been very good at doing it

[warm aspen]

Does anyone know if having the Night Arcana on with Aspect of Supay give you the 20% crit while alternating between Omega Attack and Omega Special?

[last cape]

It's 15 crit but there's no reason it shouldn't

[warm aspen]

Ah yes 15 but all right!

[last cape]

I'm also now trying to get used to frenzy 2 with the EM bosses, how the hell do you dodge eris?

[rare dove]

Just wondering, would anyone be able to have a look over My arcana build. it feels like it is working alright, just wondering if I could get more out of it

[crystal burrow]

This Chronos guy summons a time bubble in his Rival fight and I lost to it

[broken pasture]

em4 typhon is crazy holy

[rare dove]

Currently got. Wayward Son, Huntress, Eternity, Moon, Persistence, Unseen, Swift Runner, Death, Centaur, Origination, Artificer, Queen and Strength. Not sure why I could not just post My pic 😅

[crystal burrow]

Still havent figured out best build for Shiva, I am guessing its Aprho or Ares

[brazen ore]

i would do either death or strength but not both. by the time youre out of death defiances, strength isnt going to do much for you for the amount of grasp it costs. also would probably rely on a gain boon rather than unseen

huntress im also not sure what that does for you esp because you cant rely on being not at 100% mana if you're regenning constantly with unseen

[brave dove]

uh, whoops that's actually the wrong one - swap excellence for origination

you go excellence if you have a specific legendary-including build in mind

let me just delete that and get a different pic

[brave dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/874854721968541736/1385299643025326280/image.png?ex=68559054&is=68543ed4&hm=0e36316dab7c4607e4b3b20fb3cfd9e3796f527f2dc8d0c4a6d7a726d9e965f6& this is the 'default' arcana you'll see people on here use as a benchmark to edit to make their own, cribbing ideas from it is basically never bad

some common edits are swapping persistence to huntress or lovers for artificer

[brazen ore]

time to play pan daggers for the first time since the nerf and weep

[brave dove]

trick knives forgiveth

[brazen ore]

alas rng denies me salvation

[dapper elbow]

What hidden aspects take the spot of the best aspect for their weapon

[last cape]

fury 2 em4 bosses are almost unfun lol. I'm sure I just need to get good but there is so much going on in those fights

[last cape]

I'd say probably torches, axe, and daggers are all up for debate

It's too early to tell though

[unique perch]

wait how do you have the on above the Hades card i though it required you to duplicates in cost

[last cape]

Best skull is definitely either persephone or medea imo. Best coat could be any of em rn. Mel and circe staff are stronger than anubis imo

[gloomy shuttle]

Cronos just spams his swing lol

TACTACTAC

[last cape]

I got to the end of the Typhon fights and ||died to the part where he turns you into a baby.|| honestly, hilarious

[gloomy shuttle]

Typhon is the only one I didn't try. What happens when he transforms you ?

At first I wanted to see all of em patterns by myself but I decided not to after getting railed by Hecate 3 times in a row

[magic moss]

I actually think circe is the weakest of the 4 staves

[last cape]

||chronos transforms you into the child form from the hecate flashback and you have to play the Asphodel encounter minigame while slowed, unable to attack, and under attack from both chronos and typhon. Better be on point with those dash i frames||

[gloomy shuttle]

Seems... interesting

[last cape]

really? I wasn't super impressed with Anubis

[gloomy shuttle]

idk why they changed it. I liked the previous version

[magic moss]

i have some gameplay showcasing it but it is insanely strong with hestia attack

[last cape]

||That's just the final phase, once you do that you're transformed back and get to finish off typhon. The rest of the fight, Chronos attacks alongside Typhon like Medea does for Polyphemus||

[low elk]

Quick question, what boons work well with the new blades aspect? I never use blades in general so I'm a bit clueless

[gloomy shuttle]

I played Zeus' special + Hestia attack and it was very good

[last cape]

You can go zeus, demeter, hera or ares on the special and aphrodite, hera, poseidon or hestia on the attack I think

[gloomy shuttle]

||seems like em theme was "1V2"||

[low elk]

Got it, thanks!

[last cape]

For 3/4 surface fights and 1/4 underworld fights yeah

I kind of wish less of them were double bosses but I think they're really cool double bosses

[gloomy shuttle]

Yeah

[last cape]

EM Chronos was super cool

[gloomy shuttle]

I like the 3 first surface EM, as well as Scylla and Chronos EM.

[last cape]

Might have been my favorite one, that or EM Prometheus. Least favorite is eris, I hate it

[gloomy shuttle]

I think staying close to her gets the job done. Her long range tracking is insane

[last cape]

A lot of weapons can't aim for the bombs on controller and I still don't get how you dodge the lasers when you can't just dash behind her

[tall notch]

I feel like rivals Prom needs tuning. They straight up just added another boss you have to beat while keeping Prom's health intact

[gloomy shuttle]

I killed her 3 times and did not even know bombs are destructible. I was just navigating around them

[last cape]

I think you want to kill prometheus first if anything and just avoid heracles until you can 1v1 him. His second phase is nuts

[gloomy shuttle]

I disagree

Focusing Heracles is better imo

[compact comet]

Does anyone know precisely the interaction between plasma and aspect of supay (the autoshooter torches)?

[gloomy shuttle]

I have no clue sorry didn't play ares yet

[last cape]

Attack speed might make the attack shoot faster? Doesn't do anything for the special though

[brave dove]

you can have 2 of each non-0 cost for queen, just not 3

[last cape]

I have no idea how to dodge all the fast shockwaves in heracles second phase but I feel like I've got a better chance when Prometheus isn't also chasing me down. In my personal experience, I don't think i've killed the boss in attempts where I phase shifted heracles too early

[gloomy shuttle]

Understandable. When I passed them, I had a build with very high dps so I crushed Heracles' second phase. You might be right overall

[arctic plover]

what’s a good build for shiva? i tried the trial but i just couldn’t really vibe with that one

[crystal burrow]

aint no way a bug let me redo my last fight before I died

[compact comet]

requiring so much bomb setup makes demeter pretty important

freeze helps you do your stuff which requires standing in your own hitboxes

[arctic plover]

WAIT YOU HAVE TO STAND IN IT omg i feel so stupid

[south copper]

I'm finding 'avoid taking damage do damage when you can' to be the best strategy now

[compact comet]

ares too, to speed stuff up. shiva's weakness is that the first 20 seconds of every fight is you trying to get to where you want to be, so speeding up that phase is the most important part

[crystal burrow]

Yeah shiva is like Eris rail

But like a whole lot worse

[arctic plover]

i can tell unfortunately

[cinder meadow]

Hi guys, I wanted to know what’s the best build for the new update?

[arctic plover]

but i’m doing prophecies like the 100% gremlin that i am

[arctic plover]

depends which weapon there are some strong ones

[crystal burrow]

Me thinks its Supay, its either Hestia or Zeus (or both if you can)

[cinder meadow]

Any! I love any fun builds

[ember frigate]

for the aspect of supay, what boons do you reccomend?

[arctic plover]

on supay i ran poseidon and zeus on circe it’s fun with raki or hecuba demeter and apollo

[crystal burrow]

Hestia or Zeus are the clear best for Supay IMO. Ares or Poseidon might be the 3rd and 4th best

[ember frigate]

on attack and special?

[crystal burrow]

Special ideally you can get away with attack for either hestia or zeus

The idea with Supay is to stack curse or exploit omega procs with Zeus and Ares

[arctic plover]

anyone know the fear level to do heracles?

[south copper]

wdym? need level 3 of rivals

[arctic plover]

theres a prompt on relationship level that you need to prove yourself on a fearful night

[south copper]

oh idk that ya seems odd

[stable herald]

That might mean beating him with Rivals 3 on? Makes sense if his story would be gated by realizing he's a turncoat and beating him

[south copper]

no I've seen others saying that doesn't work, so sofa is probably right, just need higher fear, just keep adding it on

[arctic plover]

i just unlocked rivals 3 so might try it

ok i hate shiva this sucks

[polar ravine]

in a regular run when you get a hammer there is one that makes it bearable. i forget what its called but it basically gives you 4 whenever you block an attack with your omega attack

[sage flame]

unfortunately heracles does not appear to be romanceable

[crystal burrow]

According to Dinoysus you are suppose to seduce him into joining his party

[arctic plover]

i wanted to try doing rivals 3 with the shiva yeah that’s not happening

[south copper]

aw I loved Shiva

[arctic plover]

the special is so slow man

[south copper]

its like having the rail back

[languid spoke]

yeah it feels like that hammer is essential for shiva to do well right now. the omega special is just way too slow

[sage flame]

shiva is super cool and I liked it but it's tough to get going

[south copper]

there is also the hammer that makes the special shoot out straight instead of arcing

[languid spoke]

once i got that counter hammer though felt like i was able to pop off

[sage flame]

be cool if oattack size scaled with destructive stacks too

[haughty bear]

Man playing the Hel skull after trudging through Shiva Coat is a godsend, this weapon is so fun

[crystal burrow]

I think its kinda bonkers that it cost 45 magick to use omega special on Shiva. So you get like max 2 cast without any magick regen per encounter

[haughty bear]

Wouldn’t be surprised if Shiva got reworked

[crystal burrow]

The pay off for 4 stacks isnt even strong enough to justify 180 magick

[languid spoke]

i have to imagine they’ll make changes to it. i see what they’re going for but yeah feels not very playable currently outside of very specific hammers

[haughty bear]

It’s the same reason why the old torches sucked, too slow and expensive on mana

[crystal burrow]

Its 100% gonna be reworked almost unusable at higher fears at the moment

[haughty bear]

Hell I am struggling through the Rivals fights, which Morrigan hasn’t

[eager ivy]

what do yall think about the new mel torches? cuz I have a hard time finding a build that feels good

[haughty bear]

And Supay is… Supay

[haughty bear]

What did the old ones do, for comparison? The new ones feel like a Zag weapon from the last game and that’s not a compliment

[eager ivy]

focused on omega special where you'd spam it and run around

[haughty bear]

Like 5% is kinda pathetic as a weapon bonus, at least make it 10% so you can maybe have a concrete Crit Build

[eager ivy]

yeah and the attacks feel nice till I get further into the run and it starts lacking

and you basically have to go hestia for mana if you wanna be working around the omega attacks

[languid spoke]

any tips on the morrigan daggers?

[eager ivy]

omega cast works as one of the procs so you can get a group porc on that

[sage flame]

yeah ocast first then hit an attack and special

the timing is just right which is rad

[languid spoke]

do you try and aim for like a geyser spout?

or i guess maybe that secondary to the triad damage

[left sentinel]

never realized omega cast worked, interesting

[west tiger]

Do we have any 32 fear builds yet? The guide I found is from Warsong so the buffs and whatnot have changed.

[sage flame]

I had geyser on one of my morrigan runs and it was a blast, get ares on attack or special and prob hera on the other and it's good

[sage flame]

turn on 32 fear and see what starts working, im pretty sure any god can work atp, lots of buffs went around

[trim shoal]

Is the boon that replaced Mint Condition still good for high fear after this update?

[languid spoke]

i did geyser on my circe staff run. that was a lot of fun, me and frinos just dropping water bombs together

oh my god. i need to try a circe clang gang build. that feels like it could be fun

[atomic ibex]

Meme build idea: Take Shiva, and get Apollo Legendary, Fine Line, controlled burn, and Righteous Pikes. Then, every single use of your omega special will throw the Athena spears

[vernal sonnet]

king tide on morrigan daggers is

but I have no idea what else to build with this aspect lol

[analog ether]

Morrigan's special feels so weird.

[vernal sonnet]

I wish it returned to you faster, and the omega moves feel like they're slower to activate than the other dagger aspects

but I like how it follows you around

[analog ether]

It's slow, so short ranged, and feels like it should have a larger hitbox than it does.

[vernal sonnet]

yeah it does feel like the 'optimal' blood triad combo is to open with an omega attack then hit a special and a regular attack

[atomic ibex]

You can use that to your advantage. If you dash into the special, you Auto retrieve it

[atomic ibex]

The fastest way is actual: throw special, dash attack into the special, and keep holding the attack to do an omega attack. You get to skip the longer regular attack animation by doing that. Then repeat

[vernal sonnet]

oh dang I'll try that next time

[gloomy shuttle]

You can throw it and it will follow you forever if you don't stop running. Not what we're looking for in the first place, but might allow some creative builds as special can multi hit

[atomic ibex]

Myntkaramell made a demonstration video for the combo in case you are struggling

[vernal sonnet]

wait damn that's super good

I'll just need to practice it a bit

[languid spoke]

hmm i need to try that out

[mental sluice]

The patch notes say that they've improved winner's circle interaction with some casts. I tried it briefly with Hestia's cast, but I couldn't tell if it was applying the full scorch. Has anybody noticed if it applies the full scorch or the damage for Zeus's cast?

[sage flame]

gonna be so fr, unless they publish something with how it's supposed to interact with each cast we'll never know what's intended or not

cause apparently it doesn't work with anvil ring anymore

[stable herald]

It "works" in that you can set down another anvil ring before the first one finishes

[elfin forge]

didn't anvil ring already work with winners

it is kinda weird now hearing two anvil ring clangs going off at the same time

[analog ether]

Yeah, Morrigan definitely feels like it punishes you for missing your special, and it's really easy to miss your special.

[smoky badge]

anybody got a cool supay/anubis/hel build i can try for em3 27F surface?

[glad plinth]

what's good with aspect of morrigan boon wise? is it relatively the same as normal sister blades

[flint tulip]

Supay - honestly just bring zeus on the attack/special Ares,poseidon or hestia on the other, Born gain from hera is very valuable to have for it as well. Some good hammers ive had is the aspect specific that adds power to attacks and specials while sprinting and the hammer that makes attacks split combined with chain lightning

omegas are the focuse

[stable herald]

Zeus on Supay is great, don't forget it buffs your rush boon so Thunder Rush is really strong with it too

[topaz beacon]

what is exactly is the rush boon? Is it just the auto attack when sprinting?

[stable herald]

No, it buffs the damage of whatever dash/sprint boon you have. So something like Frigid Rush or Thunder Rush does way more damage

or any of them except Blinding Rush I guess?

[topaz beacon]

ooh, i see

[stable herald]

Romantic Spark is such a no-brainer on Supay since you're gonna be sprinting and auto-applying Blitz anyway

[rich belfry]

How r we doing with the Builds with our hidden aspects

I tried Ares and zeus boons kinda worked but with the nergal aspects u need fast attacks its kinda slow in higher fears

[hidden shale]

I tried ares with Hera. Duo helps you start each ecounter with some attack speed

[fluid quail]

any new builds with the og aspects? havening trouble clearing rivals 1

[hidden shale]

plus spreading some hitched helps with clear speed

[elfin forge]

Mel Staff with special is good now

idk what old weapons like the buffed Hestia

[rich belfry]

Yeah kinda works with it

[hexed spade]

Help a noob out how do you avoid Prometheus’s danger zone out of screen attack. It feels like he knows where the safe spots are, do I have to avoid the red zones enough times? Or is there an incantation

[hidden shale]

im still trying to figured out how to spread out the boons tho. Ares on attack is nice to not have to worry about wounds, but hera special is not that good at spreading it and cast feels bad too

[elfin forge]

if he jumps off screen, he'll show the lanes that will be dangerous and safe, and their order. You need to memorize which spots are safe, and reposition after each wave

So you can think of it like "ok, bottom, middle, then bottom is the safe order. First stand in bottom.... now move to middle.... and back down to bottom."

[hexed spade]

So it’s a memory game then! That’s why it didn’t make sense for me.

[elfin forge]

He will do it twice in the fight. First time has 3 waves, the second has 5 waves to remember

the important thing is to stay calm. You don't have anything else to do during that period so just focus on memorization and movement

[hexed spade]

Thank you, I kept moving to the safe zones thinking that’s all I need, but then I just get hit with 100 damage

[dusty hill]

what is yall favorites companions?

[elfin forge]

I've been slugging it out with Frinos so far, at about 29 fear

[hidden shale]

I like birdy, bout that is mostly because he is fire and forget

[ionic hearth]

https://imgur.com/a/t1ahR7p
Probably better to post here than discussion.

Is my Arcana setup alright or would you swap anything out (not looking for 50+F anytime soon but definitely at least wanna get all Night's Champion stuff).

[dusty hill]

that sounds crazy, i haven't mess with the oath too much yet

[hidden shale]

passive crit, attacks on his own, that is enough for me

[dusty hill]

i have only activated the vow of rivals to check the new bossfights

[elfin forge]

yeah that's fine. Slight variation on the normal setup, but totally valid

[dusty hill]

ill be posting a crazy build i got by accident while playing rn

in #h2-victory-boasting since i can't post pics here

[elfin forge]

the "normal setup" I would say is -lovers, +huntress +swiftrunner

[ionic hearth]

Ah fair, Lovers is just too useful since it can be 100+ damage reduction.

[elfin forge]

you can post images by putting it on another server, then copying link and posting the link

[ionic hearth]

Once I get better at the bosses I'd probably swap for Huntress tho yea.

[elfin forge]

yeah lovers is quite good

not just that, but swift runner gets you divinity

[dusty hill]

lovers is insane

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1184380616054153267/1385349720477536286/image.png?ex=6855bef7&is=68546d77&hm=57661ec19667db9b64ca2658cef5aff772e209e8ae10777934b8b25f75d68d51&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1566&height=881

so this build is almost entirely based on regular attacks

i was insanely lucky to get almost every boon i can think of that empowers that

[elfin forge]

yup, mel blades stuff. just shred from the back

little bit scary though, with low CC except death

[dusty hill]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1184380616054153267/1385350072107143199/image.png?ex=6855bf4b&is=68546dcb&hm=244557bda60b94d590504f4fbb1b53443009d9df39cb8005a3531c296f28c01e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1566&height=881

this would be the second part of it

[elfin forge]

I think at a certain point, % boost doesn't matter as much

[dusty hill]

wounds and scorn made it so it had 50+ power and 30% more damage in attacks by only doing dashes and specials every 4 ish seconds

[elfin forge]

wounds only buffs the special attack though

[dusty hill]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1184380616054153267/1385350528971833477/image.png?ex=6855bfb8&is=68546e38&hm=a81ba9201b15a63703d8d9b4ccf10086643abff65ad9b71334be517d2b73cf8e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1566&height=881

[elfin forge]

the way wounds works is that the hit that applies the wound gains bonus power

[round quartz]

I've seen a lot of people have great success and fun with Anubis staff but I feel clueless with it

[dusty hill]

oh, you're right

[elfin forge]

your build was roughly +450% damage for your attacks, before accounting for grievous blow

[dusty hill]

I missunderstood it

[elfin forge]

just mathematically, if you have 520% damage, gaining 30% to get to 550% damage with Scorn is not that big of a bump

[dusty hill]

it couldve been better if i got a hex that worked with it

like the one that slows down time and gives critical in one of the path of stars upgrades

[elfin forge]

Origination, Huntress, and Furies is another 120% I think. This would mean you were at 670% damage

so in reality, getting scorn only boosted your damage by about 4.7%

[dusty hill]

I see what you mean

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1184380616054153267/1385351734989291631/ad910ad1-1d8a-4cd4-8767-da25511ae4d5.png?ex=6855c0d8&is=68546f58&hm=5d3259918523fcb11ad49f1c18b526c9f72bbe96ba496e77b7fb41f3f17f876c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=810

[elfin forge]

yeah at some level, another 30% or 40% is very small. Getting stuff like Power, Attack Speed, Critical Hit, or defensives would be more valuable

[dusty hill]

this is the arcana set up I just made, i feel pretty satisfied with it tbh

[elfin forge]

If you've ever played Balatro, you can think of Power like Chips, and %boost as mult

[olive tusk]

posessed array skulls is disgusting

[elfin forge]

it is so good lol

[olive tusk]

way stronger than even fine line ignium

[elfin forge]

get born gain, watch your mana get primed SO FAST

[olive tusk]

its insane actually

[elfin forge]

the issue is that it doesn't work with Hexes

so even if you're chewing through mana like crazy, you want to avoid Selene

[olive tusk]

#h2-victory-boasting message

gotta get this build again this update

[elfin forge]

I used it with Mel skull, it was... silly

Mel Skull, possesssed array, and bolstered array for +2 shells

[dusty hill]

now you're talking my language

[olive tusk]

completely trivializes the game, absolutely unreal

[warm island]

this dagger aspect is busted wtf

[hidden shale]

what would the "Normal setup" be?

[elfin forge]

left column, reroll corner, Strength, Wayward Son, Huntress, Persistence, Origination

[rich belfry]

Im trying to be tanksy cause u get hit a lot using nergal aspect but didn't work

Best dmg I got with Ares on attack
Special meh

[hidden shale]

ah well got most of that actual. love strength instead of DD.
Hard to give up rerolls tho q.q

[elfin forge]

the normal setup has max rerolls wdym?

[sand salmon]

i feel like furious rockets doesnt make my rockets faster maybe it's only me idk

[hidden shale]

can i read

maybe not, who knows

[elfin forge]

dw Hades players can't read

[worthy kayak]

anyone got a decent shiva build? cos this thing feels hella useless

[dusty hill]

everybody knows that rogue like players don't have reading comprehension

[lofty lintel]

Did Trial of Blood change? Why is it aphrodite and demeter now?

[nova cairn]

whats good on morrigan? 🤔

also i'm trying EM Chronos on 32f and good god 💀 i haven't even seen phase 3, been trying with anubis hestia / hera

[elfin forge]

is stuff like Hereditary Bane additive or multiplicative

Like purp hereditary says Hitch damage +20%
Does that mean Hitch goes from 30% to 50%, or 30% to 36%

[indigo viper]

Polifem with poison is a massive difficult increase that i wasn't prepared for...

[timber pawn]

Additive generally

[elfin forge]

don't think he's too bad, at least at mid fear levels like I'm at

[grand gale]

what shiva builds are yall usin

[novel chasm]

i think i found a bugged interaction

i'm using the new aspect for the Staff, and it has a weird OP interaction with Selene's power Wolf Howl, the Lethality perk of selene's power makes the damage of the staff basically crits for the entire duration of the attack, not a instance, wich is a bit OP to use since its a guaranteed crit for every single DMG tick of the main attack

[north nimbus]

Does "Tall Order" required 8 of any element or do I have to have all the elements at what they are required? having 8 of each is a giant task lol

[novel chasm]

only one of them

i was REALLY confused too lol

[north nimbus]

ok thank god, iirc the old one was more doable than this but hey it still works! shame that scorch is capped at 999 now lmao

[dusty hill]

is that the general concept of what the most optimal set up is?

[novel chasm]

i mean, i really dont even know if its possible to make a build that can get to 8 of every element, since the collectables around the map are random and they too have a low chance of giving a element too

[dusty hill]

its kinda weird that it doesn't include the death defiances

[elfin forge]

people either do strength or death. Strength is widely considered to be stronger at all levels of play

[dusty hill]

it makes sense if you're confident enough about the boss fights I guess

[north nimbus]

the old one was 2 of every kind iirc, which was luck dependent if you got it really early and was a dead bone till you activate it. I might be wrong tho I am not that good at reading kekw

[novel chasm]

i thought the same lol

[elfin forge]

here's the logic behind strength:
You start the game with more % damage, making early game easier.
You have damage resistance. This makes Centaur hearts and healing more valuable compared to them on DD.
Damage resistance scales very well with big hits that come in late game. 40% shaved off of a 40 damage hit is 16 damage removed.

So yes, you only have one life, but that lifebar can be surprisingly sturdy

[dusty hill]

you're all an analyst

I'll be copying that set up to one of my hands

[elfin forge]

hey if you wanna go by feelwise, Strength makes me feel tanky, while Death defiance makes me feel like my healthbars melt away out of nowhere

Imagine fountains healing you for about twice as much. That's basically Strength.

[dusty hill]

everytime i fight typhon I get 50+ damage hits that eat through my death defiances

[elfin forge]

yup

[dusty hill]

I'll be trying out how it goes with strenght

[elfin forge]

just don't expect yourself to be invincible lol

[dusty hill]

sadly im still missing some moonlight dust to fully upgrade the arcana cards

[turbid widget]

I finally beat Typhon for the first time - i never want to forget this feeling holy hell

[elfin forge]

hell yeah

[turbid widget]

Hel is so much fun, but i want to see what i can do if i didnt have Poseidon

[elfin forge]

how many nights did it take to beat typhon first time?

[turbid widget]

I want to say that I am pretty late/high in nights, about 90?

[turbid widget]

i was like this for more than a while =]

[elfin forge]

I just did a typhon kill with lucky tooth accidentally, man my healthbar vanished SO fast

[turbid widget]

I think i like Poseiden a bit too much -- what are some aspect/boon combos that are fun to try out that dont need Poseiden or Zeus?

[elfin forge]

Slower weapons like Axe and Mel skull prefer gods like Apollo or Aphro for their attack

Ares, Zeus, and Hera are a frequent secondary god, to apply valuable debuffs

[turbid widget]

hm ill give that a thought and test stuff out! im still learning how to use the new aspects, Anubis is the most confusing with the attack part... the specials are fun to use though

[fluid quail]

can you guys help with fear sewttings? whaich ones do you priotize for more heat but not absurd difficulty jumps

trying to do surface 16 heat with torches, build suggestionn would help as well

[elfin forge]

Frenzy 1, Timer 1, Shadow, Debt 1, Return 2, Fangs 2, Menace 2, Hubris 1

stuff along those lines

be careful of turning on Pain, Grit, Hordes, and Scars. Those settings seem small, but can snowball quickly

[fluid quail]

ty

do yall have fun build suggesitons too?

I havent unlocked the new aspects

[elfin forge]

idk, most weapons are pretty good

[fluid quail]

I like to spam more than I like to see burst damage

[elfin forge]

I guess most weapons are kind of like that

quickly spam something, then run away and reposition

[fluid quail]

the torch spam is fun, I wanna unlock the |||gun|| one

I miss the old staff poseidon spam

[elfin forge]

if you want poseidon the hidden skull is good for that

[mental sluice]

So the godsent bonus for the sky fall hex is your hex inflicting wounds, but isn't that basically the same as having wounds on the attack and then getting the upgrade to make your hex gain your attack bonuses? The godsent version is much more flexible but still 😅

[tawdry quarry]

Does Ares' plasma or Hermes attack speed boon affect the speed in which aspect of morrigan special fly or is it always that slow?

[wintry wasp]

Chat how does Anubis aspect work😭 I don't get it, how do you play it?

[barren marsh]

Can someone explain to me how you're supposed to beat rivals typhon cause I keep dying on what I presume is the last phase

[lusty heron]

Get hestia on attack then use attack as if it were a cast and use special to pull enemies into it

[lusty heron]

The child phase ? Real last phase is just hit him child phase like it says top left is survive while standing in the ring till 100%

[wintry wasp]

I'll try it out, thank uu

[fiery vine]

Just had the funniest build with the new ||mace|| aspect and managed to record killing the final boss with it, gonna clip it down tomorrow and post it here

I had 2 boons that made my omega special trigger twice, and the boon that made the ||berserk mode|| healing better, so I just stood there and tanked every hit while spamming special attack and healing through every hit

[forest hinge]

hey yall ||is the Dagger's Hidden Aspect damage not affected by stuff like Strength, Origin, Furies, etc???||

[timber pawn]

Correct

[forest hinge]

wellllll crap

[fiery vine]

charon axe, apollo special attack boon, and make your cast as crazy as u want lol

not much setup required :)) and it’s… a very broken build

[left sentinel]

do you build to buff cast for that? never really thought about it for Charon

[fiery vine]

you really wanna get omega cast boons, but I’ve beat typhon even with bad runs and 0 omega cast boons lol

but if you can get some good apollo boons going, you can cover entire stages with one cast + special

[fluid quail]

how do you get the skull hidden aspect

[left sentinel]

interesting. I assumed id want to buff special, never thought about casts scaling for that interaction

[fiery vine]

the witchy woman on first surface floor

forgot her name, starts with an M… I think…

[left sentinel]

medea?

[fiery vine]

THATS the one yeah, that’s the first hidden aspect that I got lol

oh that reminds me, one of my all time favourite builds is the skull of persephone with hitch boons

if you can get the hammer upgrade that causes the omega special shots to return… it’s deaaaaadly

I was hitting some absurd numbers with that build

[fiery vine]

I mean you can go for both, sometimes the game is just not going to let you build what you want lol

[manic harbor]

Is Hermes pretty much essential with the hidden sister blades aspect? It feels so unbearably slow that I think the faster attack boon is pretty much a necessity

[mental sluice]

I think Bounce Back is currently itself bugged, or bugged with some other boon, because it's restoring my full HP after each encounter.

[wide flicker]

anyone unlock ALL the hidden aspects? I have 5 out of 6, and so far, don't like any of them

[barren marsh]

doesn't this just mean that ||the blades hidden aspect is the single worst aspect in the entire game||

[atomic ibex]

Well it's only the burst damage from the combo finisher, not the normal damage the weapon deals. And that finisher always does 777 damage, which is more than enough

[mental sluice]

I have them all unlocked. They need a bit of tuning. The only one I so far really don't mesh with is Shiva.

[spare kite]

Armor dmg counts for it

[mental sluice]

That would make sense. It does still seem like I'm getting healed for more than I think I should be, but I just might not be keeping close enough attention to what my hp to armor ratio is.

[unique perch]

Strength is bttter than death defiance?

[elfin forge]

yes always has been

[brave dove]

usually, the damage boost aside while strength with the nerf is now significantly less ehp it's still... a lot easier to buy food than dd refills

though scars 3 changes the maths in dd's favour

[unique perch]

hmm

What the best Familiar

[elfin forge]

even in high fear though with scars 3 people equip Strength. Maybe it's cuz hearts are better, idk

[brave dove]

That's not why because it's not true, hearts scale DDs too :p

It's because of the damage boost and the point at which you're turning on scars 3 you probably also have some level of hordes and grit

though pre-patch there were also a lot of ways to cheat scars 3

[elfin forge]

don't hearts scale with strength better

[stable herald]

Oh yeah, are there any ways to heal with Scars 3 now or have they all been patched out

[brave dove]

hearts scale with ehp multiplier, death has more

[elfin forge]

did they fix plentiful forage, I didn't see it in patchnotes

[turbid widget]

So this was an insanely fun build hahahaha

[unique perch]

Ok i dont know what happening the first fight Eris had to turn ot use Lucifer now she just locks no no matter where im asting

[elfin forge]

yeah I feel like I've had that happen too lmao

sometimes she has aimbot and sometimes she's on controller

[unique perch]

Losing two death defiance cause she is imposable to dodge

nope all three

[elfin forge]

consider strength

[unique perch]

The first Lucifer fight i was easier than normal Eris and not its undogable

[silent crow]

she needs gyro aim

[waxen garden]

any tips for vow of rivals prometheus?

[elfin forge]

Hitch, big damage, but it's a tough nut to crack

[waxen garden]

hmm okay, it's hard to learn but hopefully watching enough videos of other people doing it will help there

I've done EM3 in Hades 1 a lot but this feels different since I don't know the moveset yet

[elfin forge]

Heracles is Asterius, if that helps

[waxen garden]

yeah I got that sense

the Theseus analogue is a lot more annoying though

and the adds 😩

[subtle cape]

Heracles gets the axe first. The fact he's active during the Simon says or whatever is evil

[wintry grove]

Nergal go bonk.

[subtle cape]

Hail storm is also very good. Dem on attack, Zeus special.
Hera would also be very good.
Pretty much the plan is origination procs and letting gods and boons do the damage compared to Apollo and aphro

[unique perch]

Does forging Bonds do anything this game?

Death defiance seems much better to me

[subtle cape]

I don't know abt others but for me I prefer strength bc I see its value is in healing more dmg than you take.

[dusty hill]

what does em3 mean?

[waxen garden]

extreme measures 3, it was a heat (like fear in hades 2) modifier

[dusty hill]

oh yeah, you mean the counterpart to the vow of rivals in hades 1

forgot it was called that

im bout to check out the new bossfights for vow of rivals level 3

[flint tulip]

So ive beat Typhon twice now with Supay (my only two wins) what builds for the other aspects do anything to the guy without just getting murked Lol

[haughty fulcrum]

try persephone skulls. the omega special lets you take no damage, Hestia cast fills the gauge up super quickly

[flint tulip]

I do love the skulls medea just feels mega risky

[elfin forge]

rivals or nonrival

[haughty fulcrum]

Chronos rival fight was awesome. Barely squeaked it out lol

[dusty hill]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1184380616054153267/1385461883032834158/20EB661.JPG?ex=6856276d&is=6854d5ed&hm=734fa9baf5f57ffde527aa52b07e6596cc999248ad40156324f4bfb289be6336&=&format=webp&width=1566&height=881

guys do you think my build is optimal

[dreamy path]

No, too many boons and too low of a level

[elfin forge]

lol imagine having 3 boons instead of 1

[dusty hill]

rng did not bless me this time

[warped yacht]

lol if you use night bloom on chronos tempus (the ones that heal you) it does indeed heal you for 1 every second

massive carry in rivals kronos

[solemn loom]

Just saw em4 typhon. lul
||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272385014150991875/1385469730651111575/SPOILER_Screenshot_2025-06-20-00-00-10-89_18fe6f119af5ae2c728d929083699df1.jpg?ex=68562ebc&is=6854dd3c&hm=410bf45395af504503df50386ce643a5f6b902dd3b22150d81e1e480d9a6b1df&||

[viral ravine]

😮

[rich belfry]

what to build with anubis ?

[sand flicker]

I just had an absurd anubis run

poseidon attack, ares everything else

[rich belfry]

oh

[sand flicker]

• poseidon/ares duo and the ares mana regen + legendary

not super easily replicated but it was so dumb

every tick of your anubis circle thing counts as an attack basically

[rich belfry]

i will try it now

[sand flicker]

slap down the omega attack and then just spam special till it runs out

[elfin forge]

try hestia attack on anubis, it's insane

[rich belfry]

with who too

im gonna try both of them and see]

[novel chasm]

I built 500 health and literally face tanked tifon with only one death

[full kestrel]

anyone try the hidden aspect of lim and oros and know a good build for it?

[fluid quail]

is anubis th best staff now ?

[radiant stirrup]

does Flood Gain trigger off of Possessed Array? seems like it would but idk

[subtle crater]

Anyone have advice for the lasers if Eris? I tried asking in the discussion thread and some genius basically said she's easy and ignored that I started my question with I can beat her and just want to work on my weaknesses.

[elfin forge]

she is easy but the lasers seem almost random lol

[spare kite]

No one has any tips for when she hugs the walls or fire sadly

[elfin forge]

the lasers do low damage, thankfully. The mines are significantly worse.
The laser have very good tracking... sometimes

[spare kite]

Just gotta be glad that they do water pistol dmg

[full kestrel]

any good builds for morrigan?

[elfin forge]

if you're behind her you're probably safe from the laser at least

but yeah sometimes she backs herself up to right next to the fire so you're forced to choose between fire and lasers

[subtle crater]

That's so lame.

Feels free cheap to force damage that way due to inconsistent lasers.

[fluid quail]

is momus the best staff?

whats the tips / boons to use with it

[novel chasm]

Dash into her, get at her back, if you use the daggers -> Ω Attack on her

[hollow crypt]

same advice applies as before, try to get behind her, but the arena is noticably more cramped so she might be against a wall more often
if at all possible try not to trigger her phase change while she's against a wall as she will always lob bombs and follow with lasers, if you trigger phase change when she's in the center you'll be much better off since you can get behind her and not have to choose fire or laser damage

the bombs will block a few ticks of laser hits so use that to minimise damage if all else fails

[magic moss]

learn to omega cycle to maximize your echoes, take a % atk along with a curse special (like zeus) along with a defensive cast boon like Arctic Ring. Gain is a higher prio than an atk boon unless you run hecuba, but look for any gain boon that is easy to get mana with

[woven idol]

Hey anyone got a busted boss melting build for Morrigan? It's the first aspect in a while that felt like huffing glue so I'd like to add on to that feeling.

[wild sun]

The game is so fun, but I don't think I can ever turn god mode off ever again.

[willow phoenix]

Static shock is very good with it, so that and master conductor I think

[serene stag]

hey so if you want a really fun and stupid run, have your friends pick your boons like a council of advisors cause they just spawned some of the most fun builds ive played with the whole EA with the new hidden aspects. we did one for morrigan, supay, and shiva and it was so fun

[rain marsh]

ok aspect of circe with cast build demeter is so fun. anyone got other cast build to try? hestia scorch mayhaps?

[rain marsh]

with momus anything that adds omega damage and % damage is preferable because you set the omegas and forget it. ive had good luck with apollo since, unlike aphrodite, he doesnt reuiqre you to be close to enemies for the increase damage

[analog ether]

Ugh, Rivals Chronos keeps kicking my ass.

Always end up taking so much damage just trying to get to him.

[civic salmon]

How do you unlock the final available hearts for Selene? Something about proving yourself with her aspect? I'm not really sure what that means

[analog ether]

I think it's just having her aspect at max upgrade rank, and then eventually that conversation with her will come up.

[civic salmon]

I have it maxed out
so just have to continue using it and running into her?

[analog ether]

Basically. A ton of conversations were added, so it might take a bit just to work through some.

[civic salmon]

i was shocked how badly he thrashed me
Really thought i had enough build knowledge at this point to take him out with little difficulty LOL

[brazen ore]

tragically bc i dodge selene like the plague every run, i think im gonna have a lot of dialogue to work through with her....

before she even gives me shiva :(

[civic salmon]

are any of her god duo things worth it?

[exotic scroll]

Just to be sure when fighting rival eris the only way to dodge her lasers are basically to get behind her right? Cause that tracking feels quite fast. So for her transition (when she shields and drops lots of orbs) you need to pop orb behind her quite fast or you will take laser chip.

[brazen ore]

from what ive seen no. you can only use them once per encounter and for the amount of investment its not really worth it

[civic salmon]

I was surprised by that
They require like minimum 3 selene encounters to activate, which is comparable to full legendary boon

[analog ether]

I've enjoyed them.

[civic salmon]

which one(s) do you like most?

[analog ether]

I haven't had a chance to use them all yet. So far, I've had Zeus, Hera, Hestia, Apollo, and Demeter.

[civic salmon]

oh wait Hera's was pretty cool

[analog ether]

Zeus's felt kinda fun, because the Morph projectile can only hit a given enemy once, so you can have situations where it just keeps circling a target and bombarding it with lightning.

[civic salmon]

Morph might honestly be my favorite (other than moon water)
it's been really helpful especially with some of the mini bosses

[brazen ore]

yeah i hope that gets changed. ive liked them when ive seen them but if i was going full hex build i would want to be able to use it in boss fights which isnt really realistic if you can only use them once

[analog ether]

Hera, if you can get it on the right minion, genuinely feels very good.

[civic salmon]

Apollo is my favorite and I was fairly disappointed in his
I was hoping I could at least also have the tripple beam and palcement

[analog ether]

I got the farthest I've gotten so far on Rival Chronos (a good chunk of the way through his third phase) because I was able to summon up the vampire miniboss.

Demeter... is just kinda hard to notice? Partially I think because of the nature of Phase Shift.

[civic salmon]

Does she freeze everything during phase shift? I can't remember

[analog ether]

Hestia's is pretty simple and straightforward: a big chunk of Scorch stacks on everything.

I'd expect Aphrodite's to be not too bad, since Dark Side's invulnerability means you can sit next to a boss and just pump Heartthrobs into them.

How good it is probably depends on how fast it generates them.

[civic salmon]

Wait is there more to do with hypnos? I did the first cutscene thing but haven't seen anything since
maybe this isn't the right chat

[analog ether]

They've added him to the Fated List, but there isn't anything else to do with him yet.

Presumably that will be added at Launch.

[forest hinge]

can Judgement arcana trigger on Awakening/0-cost arcana cards?

[elfin forge]

ok what's the morrigan fast combo

[rain marsh]

the tracking is fast but hermes epic dash is slightly faster so i have had luck dodging between her lasers to avoid a couple ticks of damage

[civic salmon]

has anyone used the new Dionysus boon? I tried and idk if I'm just severly using it wrong but it made my run a struggle lol

[willow phoenix]

Zeus, Aphro, Hestia are very good, Apollo is great with other sublimes, Demeter and Hera are decent, Heph is ok

Poseidon is bad and Ares is trash

[exotic scroll]

I do feel quite skill issued with me dying to rival Eris multiple times in a row last night thats for sure xD Did not help on the last run using supay without having magick or regen to omega special to safely detonate the orbs

[rain marsh]

ive not died to rival eris yet in the 3 times ive fought her but one run i got down to 6hp XD

then again ive been using very fast weapons and the hex that makes you immune

so i just immune through her bombs and laser

[exotic scroll]

Dark side sounds quite helpful just to avoid that whole burst wich is where most of the damage is taken from ;P

On another note can coat omega attack block her laser?

[rain marsh]

ill let you know im about to do a coat run right now

[civic salmon]

what's yall's favorite hidden aspect so far?
I like Anubis but probs best with Hel

[bleak night]

Morrigan

[exotic scroll]

I do kinda like big bonk Nergal, but ive also not gotten the unlock for blades, skull and staff yet. (Phrase for 2 + s.reeds for skull)

[quartz parrot]

My favorite weapons by far ( i have 6 hours) is the exploding skulls

[bleak night]

You'll unlock aspects of it eventually and fall in love with it more ngl, hope you have fun

[analog ether]

Yes, but unless you're good at predicting when she's about to use it, you'll still take at least a couple ticks of damage just getting the shield up.

[quartz parrot]

I got a Daedalus hammer upgrade that when i throw my skulls they come back automatically

I know thats not an aspect but

It cool

[bleak night]

Ah Fetching, yeah it's neat

[lunar kiln]

i feel like the crit chance on mel torches is way too low

[quartz parrot]

Is it just me but i have played hades II before and i remember torches being different like if you hold the atack it ramps up and starts shooting big flames

With magick

[bleak night]

it got changed a ton this update yeah. It was abusing a boon called Fine Line, so they wanted to cull it because it was centralizing

[quartz parrot]

Oh ok

[radiant stirrup]

whats a good setup for the new torches? I imagine zeus and poseidon would be alright

[bleak night]

Breaker Sprint or Heat Rush according to your taste, the rest can be just for Origination for the most part, but you can put Waves on Attack + Slippery Slope

[radiant stirrup]

huh, I would not have guessed heat rush. it seems pretty garbo to me but maybe I'll try it

[bleak night]

aspect heavily boosts the damage of sprint boons so it kinda goes with it all

[radiant stirrup]

I was thinking zeus sprint but maybe thats just because I played so much of Hades 1 lmao

put poseidon on the attack or special, get the duo for them. big lightning. at least that was the idea I had in mind

[leaden bone]

Stabbing rush is pretty good as well if you pair it with coffin nail or cutting edge

[bleak night]

Zeus Sprint takes too much time to tick is all compared to the other 2

[radiant stirrup]

stabbing rush seems alright, but you cant just hold down sprint you would need to spam dash in order to keep the blades going

[radiant stirrup]

ngl .1 second difference doesnt really seem like it would matter that much, I dont care about hyper optimizing everything

[bleak night]

worth a shot if you wanna test it out

[leaden bone]

Yeah I mean it works it's not the best. I personally found Frigid rush+tropical cyclone to be the best one so far

[radiant stirrup]

would it boost tropical cyclone or is that just for more dps? since tropical cyclone isnt tied to the dash its just tied to Gusts

[radiant stirrup]

I think you may be right but for a different reason, the build I was thinking about takes a lot more setup. you would need zeus dash, then poseidon attack or special, then pick up slippery slope or tidal ring, and THEN you can get the duo

anyways time for another Nergal run. me slam, big number, caveman mode

[bleak night]

Breaker Sprint solo is a build on its own using that aspect which is funny

[quartz parrot]

I want to unlock black coat but i think its gonna be a long journey

[civic salmon]

how is scorch so much better now? Just applies more faster and counts as damage from olympian for things like Extended Family?

[prime ore]

How are you suposed to play the nergal axe

Felt just a bit worse than running melinoe aspect

Do heals proc off any boon dmg like blitz

[sullen vault]

yo

does anyone know what the new worry free value ranges are at different rarities?

havent encountered dio in like the 8 surface runs ive done since the update dropped

[sullen vault]

just big bonks. heavy attack like aphro, attack speed and crit chance would work well with it

[prime ore]

The special omega feels weird to use like its niche is already covered by the attack / omega attack

[sullen vault]

honestly i dont even use the specials on nergal

they seem pointless

[prime ore]

Also the enrage or whatever healing you makes me feel like it wants you get greedy and spam attack? But its such little healing, its weird

[sullen vault]

just a slot to use to build towards duos, way i see it currently

[prime ore]

The main attck is fine the rest of the weapon is weird to me

[sullen vault]

the whole weapon is just attack spam tbh. and the healing doesnt really matter to me too much. it just kind of seems like a side benefit

p braindead aspect tbh but yk its big bonks and who doesnt love to see big number

[prime ore]

Just feel like i can get more out of melinoe aspect with big chop

And a special with range

[sullen vault]

thats also fair

doesnt seem like an aspect id use a lot. than and mel seem to do whatever negrals idea is but better

the 5 hit attack combo on negral doesnt feel veryyyy nice to use

[deep fog]

How does Apollos legendary interact with the hidden staff? Got it and I think it just ticks faster (?)

[sullen vault]

i really have no idea, im having trouble fully understanding how anubis works.

like,, the having to sprint around for the shades seems a little taxing gameplay wise. also doesnt help a lot during bosses, when its just 1-2 enemies usually and you cant take advantage of the aspect

[deep fog]

Very much a mixed play style, I've just been spamming omega attacks and sucking in everything with the special. Bosses are a pain admittedly

[pseudo pond]

any shiva build recommendations?

felt like the new eris

but I can seem to make it super op

[sullen vault]

you gotta get that one hammer that makes the omega specials fire straight ahead, kinda like rocket bomb on eris

[pseudo pond]

ah, good old time lol

[sullen vault]

that way you can get the 6stack buff really quickly

[pseudo pond]

I see, anything else? just aphro on attack?

[sullen vault]

i used it once and i had that new poseidon boon, ocean swell, and i just spammed out the omega specials

[sullen vault]

really not sure what to use on attack

on one hand it does hit p heavy, so aphro. on the other its like middle order fast hitting as well so maybe zeus/poseidon

i gotta use it more

[pseudo pond]

hmm, I mean the base numbers are good, but without some boon synergy I can't see how it can get super good

[sullen vault]

yeah same i havent played it that much. gotta try out different stuff

[pseudo pond]

what about morrigan

i felt like it has same issue with shiva

super high base dmg, but no synergy with any particular build atm

[surreal hazel]

PSA: Supay and Inverted Spark.... just don't do it. Just don't.

[toxic grotto]

I feel like this could be a PSA just for Inverted Spark in general 😂

[surreal hazel]

but in particular here

like you can make inverted spark work on new torches with their new speed

you cannot make it work on supay, even when you are holding a run, your newly fired sparks just spawn stuck to you

[hexed field]

poseidon attack, zeus special, romantic spark could work?

[surreal hazel]

It's like a landmine for Experimental Hammer to run into

[hexed field]

make it a sprint build?

[surreal hazel]

Probably making the best of a bad deal, yeah

but like, you could just run posideon attack on Supay with none of that other stuff and it would generally work better

plus that build would just be better improved with Flutterstrike instead

might as well get that huge close range damage if you're gonna be headbutting them anyway

Supay generally wants you to play evasively, circle at safe rangles and get breathing room to get Omegas active when you can but letting your rush and auto attacks to do the heavy lifting

[vale shard]

so whats the strat on em2 scylla, is it still drummer first? how about em3 prom

[surreal hazel]

Attack whatever's closest, evade where you need to

[vale shard]

yeah that sounds about right

[surreal hazel]

the spouts around Roxy make her quite unsafe to focus down for extended periods

Don't get clamrushed

Making a little breathing room by beating up some tentacles is no bad idea

the boss fight is cheesed by any pinball effects you have

[fringe dust]

Wanted to ask, am I missing something with Hephaestus? None of his boons feel good its always a skip

[surreal hazel]

Errr, yes you are

his core boons are a bit specific, but by god trusty shield is good

[vale shard]

pom them, as hes a force of nature

[fringe dust]

Gotcha..

[surreal hazel]

Blast boons rduce in cooldown down to a minimum of 2 seconds, but stack on the likes of grand caldera and furnace blast and woooooof

He has duos with Hestia, aphrodite and apollo that make blasts better still

and he had some boons nerfed in this last patch because they were that good before (and still are tbh)

[odd moat]

which sprint boon deals the most damage for torches?

[deep fog]

Chronos insta kill for rival 4 Typhon is no joke especially w max frenzy

Need to work on dashing thru it, if that's still a thing lol

[broken pasture]

anyone got a hel build?

[vale shard]

ap2 baby

[frail jewel]

any tips for the new Staff? for some reason it feels like the least intuitive weapon for me

[broken pasture]

hestia on attack, zeus on special, poseidon on cast

[frail jewel]

yeah that was my thought process just now after trying poseidon on attack, forgot hestia existed up until that moment XD

[broken pasture]

cast first to lock enemies in then attack and keep pulling enemies in using special, absolutely melts everything

[frail jewel]

will try it with a lesser 'Rivals' bar first, ain't no way i can beat the 4th rivals with my current lvl of play with this wep

[frail jewel]

do you bother with Omega attack at all? or only omega special

[willow phoenix]

Poseidon

Hestia is good too but Poseidon is the best by far

Breaker rush with supay is stupid good, you can go the whole run with just it

[stoic tinsel]

does the wand omega attack still spam out fine line?

[willow phoenix]

It's slower but still good

You can combine it with the new poseidon boon too and cut above

[lapis star]

guys im trying to beat 32 fear with pan, what fears should i activate

[brave dove]

easiest 32 fear possible is kinda unclear with rivals added, the generally agreed easiest one from last patch was: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/469648614356942878/1380158397529460746/image.png?ex=6856a2ac&is=6855512c&hm=6fa9aee5e4c2948230a41bbfad932696bbda004e8b18dd0429ae4e2a952bc36a&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1260&height=709&

I would probably look at rivals 2-3 and losing points in pain, scars and maybe hubris?

rivals 4 isn't the easiest way to do anything

[stoic tinsel]

how good is shiva? looks interesting

if a little clunky

[quartz parrot]

guys im back zeus is op with high dps

[wintry grove]

Jeebus this poisoned poly fight. I’m not the best player but I just beat a 16 fear run and I still haven’t gotten past them.

[lapis star]

how do i unlock vow of rivals

[toxic grotto]

Beat hecate once, then beat the rivals fear bosses in both regions for each new rank

[stoic tinsel]

question, how did I proc blood triad twice in quick succession

[willow phoenix]

The specials and attacks can hit multiple times so you can set up combos for that

Then there's the hammer for retriggering blood triad too

[stoic tinsel]

that's a ton of damage

they cooked with this one

[willow phoenix]

I think you can do a triple triad combo with like, special -> attack -> o attack -> triad -> special re hit -> attack -> o special -> triad -> attack -> o spec rehit -> special -> triad

[dusty hill]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1184380616054153267/1385610537609592992/image.png?ex=6856b1df&is=6855605f&hm=5315e9b683c3b1c349322067187b91db514c775b9389699b42d001850cc9606c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=495&height=278

just had a blast with this made in the fly axe special build

i was eating through typhons phases with 2-3 charged specials

[weak hamlet]

Any protips on fighting Eris with the new version of Adament Rail?

[stoic tinsel]

WHY IS HERACLES HERE

[weak hamlet]

Watch for illuminated areas as that is where the witch appears. I have had luck using Momus staff and just staying at long range.

[pure cave]

can anyone recommend me some beginner builds
can be from YouTube videos

[spare kite]

any dmg from you will also detonate the bombs so if you don't wanna get trap get anything with range (or place your cast if it has a damaging effect where the bombs are gonna land) so you don't get trapped

[indigo viper]

Is Strenght arcana after hidden nerf still better than Death?
Esp after EM bosses.

[lapis star]

am i guaranteed to encounter circe on surface?|| im trying to unlock new aspect for the staff but 2 runs no circe||

[stoic badger]

What’s everyone’s favourite new aspect so far? I think it’s either Nergal or Morrigan for me

[stoic badger]

Took me a while

[ruby crane]

What Arcana setup did you use here?

[dusty hill]

the standard strength, reroll and origination set up

some people posted an image of it yesterday on this chat, if you look through the messages

[stoic tinsel]

morrigan is fun as heck

[verbal lark]

definitely Morrigan

[kindred stirrup]

Does anyone understand what the aspect of ||Shiva|| is meant to be doing because I genuinely don't understand

[rain marsh]

for me took my about 4 runs before i saw twice circe and she gave me the phrase the second time

[stoic tinsel]

what cast am I supposed to run with asoect of charon again?

[bleak night]

any with origination but Demeter's works best usually

can just do Apollo-Poseidon as a full core now as well too though

since Poseidon Cast has a curse now at base

[stoic tinsel]

gotta love arctic ring

[bleak night]

that way you have access to Geyser Spout

[stoic tinsel]

hmm I just rolled into poseidon

let's try it

does prominence flare work with charon

[dim kelp]

Can someone explain to me how the godsent hex thing works with Skyfall? The patch notes say that there's an Ares duo for it, but it seems like you need to have the god in your pool to be offered the godsent hex upgrade? Which seems impossible when you get the hex from your weapon. Maybe I've misunderstood how it works tho?

[bleak night]

put his keepsake on immediately before the run

[dim kelp]

Ah, I didn't realize that would count to put him in the pool before I actually take his boon

[stoic tinsel]

well I just had a miserable charon run where I didn't find any gain boon

[low copper]

Dunno if it does but it guarantees his boon as the first one you get. I find the Godsent Hexes to be kind of meh tho since they take the place of the regular hex capstones, which often feel more impactful

[pure cave]

why don't i get a duo boon when i have what i ned for it

[rain marsh]

duo boons arent guaranteed

thats why there arcana that increases their drop chance

[pure cave]

thanks for helping me

[brazen ore]

letsgo i finally got supay

[stoic tinsel]

first time playing medea, what are the good hammers

[brazen ore]

now circe, artemis, and selene need to give up the goods but i get to play with this before they nerf it

[stoic tinsel]

I've been offered rapid driver, possessed array and boosted ignition

[brazen ore]

possessed array is good

cause youre always right next to where you pick up your skulls with medea

[stoic tinsel]

yeah it lets me spend my magick without charging anything

[pure cave]

can anyone recommend me some beginner builds that are up to date
can be from YouTube videos

[magic moss]

haelian or boated are good starting points

[pure cave]

can you link me a updated beginner build
from youtube
all i could find was beginner builds from 1 year ago

[bleak night]

Might be hard to find a beginner build since the update just came out

[magic moss]

what are you even looking for

define what a “beginner build” even is first

cuz just about any build that haelian plays is “beginner friendly”

[rain marsh]

i think the premise of hades is 'work with what you're given' which is a skill that following beginner builds doesnt neccesarily hone. i recommend just playing and learning whats fun for you, that way you'll get practice and get better

[manic harbor]

Just got my first surface victory. Aspect of Charon is crazy.

[rain marsh]

congrats! i dont think ive ever gotten a win with charon

[manic harbor]

Honestly, I picked up a build someone mentioned in here, and got it after a couple tries. I posted my win screen in the victory boasting channel if you're interested in checking it out.

[vital jackal]

The self heal boon of ares seems really good on the new eris fight

Since if you avoid the pulsing balls erin drops, you can easily counterheal the damage erin does if you have your attack speed boosted by plasma

[olive tusk]

that eris fight feels impossible without insane tankiness or self heal

there is zero room for dodging

[ember breach]

Rivals or vanilla fight?

[olive tusk]

rivals

vanilla is very easy, imo the easiest surface fight

[ember breach]

There's room to dodge, my problem with the rivals fight is that things like Zeus gain spawn in the fire. XD

[olive tusk]

zeus gain spawn?

oh the magick ok

[ember breach]

The Zeus Gain boon creates an orb you touch to get your mana back

it'll spawn in the flames in that fight

[olive tusk]

how do you damage her when she spams those damaging orbs all around her

just dark souls it? safe position and just playing the long game

[ember breach]

I was using Supay, but staying behind her certainly helps reduce damage taken.

[olive tusk]

thats difficult now since she does that spinny thing with her wings

[ember breach]

I failed once to rivals poly, but one-shot rivals eris surprisingly

[olive tusk]

opposite for me xd

[ember breach]

I think I stayed at midrange when she wasn't doing a shooting attack

I DO think it's funny that Eris prefers Lucifer's aspect to her own.

[olive tusk]

I mean, it's lucifer

understandable really

[elder pelican]

What’s going on with Typhon’s final phase? It feels like I tear through each phase before in like 20 seconds, but that phase just has exponentially more health. There something going on I dont get?

[ionic hearth]

If you have to choose between Furies and Huntress, which is usually more important?

Or is it a per-aspect thing?

[bleak gale]

Did they buff Typhon and Shark Spawn of Typhon miniboss?

For the former istg after the Zeus scene there's no more "defeat adds to continue" sequence, also they buffed his HP right

[elfin forge]

they buffed typhon, I think spawn is untouched

[bleak gale]

Dude hit me 4 times and that's that

[elfin forge]

typhon hp I don't think is adjusted, still pretty squishy. Typhon has some new attacks. Arm slam during eggs. Tentacles now come in waves. The sky bomb now cluster on you I think

basically you can't hug typhon for as long of a time

[elfin forge]

strength did get nerfed. It's 40% DR instead of 50%

[jovial cove]

hey they changed torches

buff or nerf?

[muted brook]

depends on how you used them before, but i personally like them more because i never really used fine line

[olive tusk]

yeah, I really like the torches now too

[mental sluice]

I do kind of miss the old special animations though

[dapper elbow]

What is the core for the hidden staff

[elfin forge]

hestia attack

[cinder palm]

Also I miss omega special spinny spam too

Ig they brought it back on supay so whatever

Also the ghosts were cute

[mental sluice]

That's true. I thought that was an odd change.

[elfin forge]

you still have ghosts with the moros

[dapper elbow]

Ok so Hestia for attack . What about the other abilities

[jovial cove]

okay I remembered how to use Moros
slower but stronger than last patch yeah?

[broken pasture]

DAE feel like EM poly is way too hard for how early he is

[cinder palm]

Medea spreads too much poison imo

[south copper]

for those asking how to advance the relationship with Selene, just max upgrade her coat and talk to her, might have to get thru a few other dialogues first tho. On this note, could it be cool to get the fourth tier of keepsakes if you have bonded with the one who gave it?

[olive tusk]

aphro is great for spesh, hera too

dem and aphro on my cast has been an absolute enemy melter

[elfin forge]

hidden staff: hestia attack, demeter or poseidon cast, Zeus or hera special

[forest heart]

how to momus

[crystal burrow]

Yeah so you never take the Hammer that makes your attacks go back to you when you dash playing Supay it makes you have negative DPS with your attacks

Found out the hard way

[pure cave]

what boons, duo boons and Daedalus Hammers to try to get with the moonstone axe

[pseudo pond]

any aspect of morrigan build ideas?

the base damage is amazing, but how hard it procs and how bad it scales really doesn't make it feel good after getting to olympus

[worthy summit]

Hey, did anyone find good boons for Aspect of ||Anubis?|| It feels very good for clearing rooms, but not so much on the bosses...

[elfin forge]

hidden staff: hestia attack, demeter or poseidon cast, Zeus or hera special

get pyro technique

[worthy summit]

so the plan is pulling enemies into your Attack + cast? gotta try it

[elfin forge]

yeah attack + cast becomes a zone of death

[worthy summit]

demeter cast looks good since sometimes i get hit by pulling enemies into me on the middle of their attacks

[elfin forge]

yeah, it's kinda risky

[brave dove]

supay

[elfin forge]

I usually cast, then dash attack. There's a bit of overlap of the attack then

[pseudo pond]

you can try scorch on atk, zeus on special, and get demeter on cast

and build scorch up with zeus/hestia duo, and trigger the scorch with demeter/hestia duo

you will see some crazy numbers like 3-8k depends on your boons

[worthy summit]

nice, thanks guys

[dreamy thicket]

Do we think Scorch damage can proc Froth?

[neat pier]

Does Mean Streak carry over new rooms?

[sly plaza]

Froth is everything fr

Like they made Poseidon’s cast so damn good

[daring nexus]

Does Flood Gain only restore Magick from a single Omega move at a time?

[elfin forge]

wish it was on his dash or something

[warm rivet]

Is damage resistance bugged? I get damaged as if it would be 100% dmg even tho i have40% resistance

[pseudo pond]

anyone discovered any good build for morrigan yet>

[civic salmon]

with aspect of anubis, does each tick apply splash/scorch/blitz?

[brave dove]

yes but poseidon is apparently a bit buggy

[civic salmon]

gotcha okay i was a little perplexed haha

does slow cooker increase each tick?

[dreamy thicket]

Yes. Each stack lasts 45secs now too

[dreamy thicket]

Did you have Armor? Armor doesnt get any resistance, only your actual red HP

[warm rivet]

Nah normal hp. Eris dealing 66 dmg just isnt normal lol

[dreamy thicket]

Those bombs she shoots in the air that come down do really heavy damage if youre in the zone. Especially when she has her temporary damage buff right after a phase change. 66 from a bomb mightv e actually been 40% lower than it couldve been

[indigo viper]

Ech, any tips for EM Prometeusz?
Beside ||kill Herakles first||

[elfin forge]

kill prom first imo

you can kind of kite during the memory game, he's not that dangerous

[indigo viper]

I have trouble avoiding ||Herakles|| attack and memorize pattern.

Guess time to return to paper and pencil.

[elfin forge]

just run to the opposite side away from him while looking at the lanes imo

[exotic stratus]

what keepsake do you guys start with? mostly for 20+ fear runs

[elfin forge]

primary god keepsake

[exotic stratus]

i usually use apollo, one that could be better?

[elfin forge]

depends on weapon

[exotic stratus]

trying the umbral flames now

[elfin forge]

if you're using moros, yeah I think Apollo or Aphro is the play. If you're using hidden aspect, use zeus

[indigo viper]

God keepsake (which one is depent which aspect i use, mostly Hera/Zeus), second depends - second god or Athena's.

[elfin forge]

yeah I use phial either second or third depending on how bossfights go

also athena somewhere, then end with knucklebones

[indigo viper]

Third is filler for me (sometimes Echo's, another god or Chaos'), third - Knuckle or bad Eyes (Eris' one)

[exotic stratus]

the ones i usually go for are main gods, crystal figurine (extra arcana) exp hammer (random hammer) then end with either fleece or tooth depending on my weapon

[indigo viper]

Try to play with strenght arcana instead of Death.

Despite hidden nerf, imo thats dmg reduction is still worth.

[exotic stratus]

right now i have unupgraded but i will get it upgraded and try, does the toula dd also count for it?

[indigo viper]

Unfortunely yes.
Same as from moros' keepsake.

Btw. it's insane how many hidden nerfs Strenght have, yet still viable.

[elfin forge]

DR is just always cracked

[indigo viper]

DR?

[elfin forge]

damage resistance

[indigo viper]

Ach. Right. Rip Demeter's infusion.

[elfin forge]

rip

[indigo viper]

Altho it didn't suprisme me, that was too ope.

[exotic stratus]

do you guys still use toula or which one?

[elfin forge]

no we never use toula

toula disables strength, and does bad damage

Frinos and Raki tend to be best imo. Gale is good at higher fear.

[exotic stratus]

guess i'll use frinos for now, dont have the others yet

[indigo viper]

I used toula and DD at the beginning i forgot how to write this word, lol. My first 32 fear underworld was with DD and toula.
Then, I switched to Strenght I use Frinos or (Hecumba for mana hungry weps),

[exotic stratus]

just beat 32 down yesterday with dd toula as well, having trouble with 24 up tho ||prometheus|| keeps wrecking me

[indigo viper]

My 2 wins at surface was with medea and pan

Now I can't beat ||em prometheus XD||

[exotic stratus]

my down was with black coat melinoe

[quartz parrot]

how can i unlock aspects on black coat

[elfin forge]

at least one level 5 aspect, unlock all coat aspects. Then pick up a selene hex in a run.

[quartz parrot]

no i dont have an option for coat aspects

[elfin forge]

oh I think you just need to take black coat for a spin or something

I thought you mean hidden aspect lol

[harsh glacier]

any good circe builds?

[quartz parrot]

oh ok thanks

[woven bough]

Can someone help me with getting a good morrigan build

I know hestia on attack and zeus special but beyond that, nada

[sly plaza]

Poseidon or Dem on cast helps as well. Froth damage boost is amazing

Key is to get the quick combo down

[crystal burrow]

Just beat Rival 4 Chronos
My ranking for Rival Underworld Boss Difficulty

1. Hecate, she got mad hands
2. Scylla and the Sirens Ft. Charybdis
3. Chronos
4. The Dog

[brave dove]

wait really, chronos not #1?

[crystal burrow]

Nah by the time you fight Chronos your build should already be online at that point he is a cake walk

[eager ivy]

has there been any significant change to arcana in the past few updates that I should be switching to?

[brave dove]

does frenzy 2 make that much of a difference...? like I'm not the best player but I cleared 50 fear last patch and I've so far found chronos to be by far the hardest of the four underworld unrivaled bosses

[elfin forge]

frenzy 2 is crazy

[brave dove]

but that's with frenzy 2 on because I'll need to readapt again afterwards if I turn it off

[brave dove]

yeah but I wouldn't have thought it'd have changed the boss difficulty rankings by that much

[crystal burrow]

Frenzy 2 is crazy hard the first time you use it, it changes up timings just enough to mess you up but just play with it and you will adjust

[brave dove]

Not what I mean

[elfin forge]

I feel like it is always crazy hard, bosses like Prometheus, Scylla, and Hecate are so much harder to avoid

[harsh glacier]

just got winter harvest in ephyra this is wild

[elfin forge]

everything moves faster, but Mel does not. there are limits to how much she can maneuver and dash

[brave dove]

I mean I've beaten all the unrivaled bosses multiple times with frenzy 2 on and I would consider Chronos by far the hardest of them, I'm asking if not having frenzy on changes his relative difficulty by that much

because I've never done them with it off

[elfin forge]

I'm at frenzy 1 rn and I still haven't beaten him

[brave dove]

but I don't really see how hecate being slower makes her harder than him, all of her stuff's pretty easy to dodge unless she picks lunar ray in which case you're probably gonna get chipped

[elfin forge]

I mean idk, at high fear erebus is famously brutal

because 5 minute timer, not many boons, stuffed rooms of pretty tough enemies, and now hecate isn't a pushover

[brave dove]

if we're talking like 50-60 fear yeah I guess, no boons and all

but that presumably includes frenzy 2-

but yeah no seriously if you find him easy please, give me your strats I cannot avoid losing my spaghetti during the p2 add phase and I'm struggling to find damage windows in the final section outside of run and gun

best windows I've found is external dps sources like cast, psychic leash, torch special etc. during his slowdown

[woven bough]

Got it, thank you

[sly plaza]

Yeah like to each their own but unrivalled Hecate regardless of fear being low or high has been my easiest fight

Like id personally say the “hardest” is Unrivalled Prom because of how much of a time sink the fight can be

[crystal burrow]

Supay special is still active with living nightmare which is kinda bonkers because now you dont lose as much DPS

[brave dove]

supay in general is just bonkers, it's going to get nerfed I just wish they wouldn't 😩

[eager ivy]

is the lovers arcana mainly used for speedrunning? cuz I dont see myself being able to use its full value

[midnight bay]

Is it normal mel's torches does nothing?

[crystal burrow]

One hp and a Dream I beat Rival 4 Typhon

[brave dove]

vow of rivals got hands

[crystal burrow]

I always thought living nightmare was kinda good but with Supay its just a cheat code. Basically no loss in DPS and you can near 100% uptime with magick regneration boons

[eager ivy]

I mean I am getting wreck by rivals but idk if 3 dmg negs would save my sad dodging skills

[brave dove]

it can be a lot of effective hp

[deep fog]

Wonder how they go about it without overhauling it completely. Something like Olympian effects only occur on omega moves or something

[crystal burrow]

Dang you spend arcana on that card? I always find it to be useless, I think it might be useful if you turn up dmg fear. But I think you can negate your mistakes if you just use Strength and stack HP

[topaz beacon]

Supay is definitely strong but I just find it so uninteresting to play with, I honestly feel like I do better with other weapons where I can be more actively attacking instead of just waiting for things to hit for me

[brave dove]

suspect they'll just turn down the base rotation speed

[deep fog]

Go full chaos and make it like guan-yu in the original

[plush vapor]

yeah the special just deals an insane amount of dmg

i used my omega atk way more and special still did like double the damage

although i did have +120% special dmg from chaos

[cursive gate]

What's the go to for the new dagger aspect?