h2-builds-and-combat

[keen moon]

Epic

[elfin forge]

base is 50%

so +80% damage to all of your specials lol

[keen moon]

I also have shimmering rockets so double bounce for each special

[elfin forge]

the power only applies for the first hit right

[woeful moth]

Oh. I didn't know demeter's dash also slows down hecates curse

[woeful moth]

How do I play artemis? Should I really play around riposte?

[keen moon]

Maybe? I’m unsure

[elfin forge]

yeah riposte is quite good

lets you tank, and gives you crits which are always just incredibly strong

[bright gull]

In pretty much every similar game you reach a point where only what’s busted & meta will work

[bright gull]

Reminds me of D3 leaderboards, the first 100 pages of every category is the same class /teamcomp

[woeful moth]

Which gods should I go for?

[bright gull]

Artemis is versatile, I like doing attack builds on it with Aphrodite boons and Hephestus martial arts

[bright gull]

Pretty sure that’s not the meta though

[dim kelp]

Flat damage without a cooldown is always good on the knives, but Artemis particularly benefits from adding weapon power over on-hit effects and makes better use of percentage buffs than the other knives aspects.

Aphro Secret Crush and Hestia Slow Cooker are the only god boons I can think of that add straight strike power. Ares Wounds add a ton of power on a per-target cooldown, but if you can line up the wounding strikes with when you have Riposte active, you’ll get some big hits. You can change targets to apply fresh Wounds with crit chance instead of using several Riposte charges on one target. Wounds also give access to Grievous Wounds for a chance at 200% damage against wounded targets, which I believe stacks multiplicatively with crits?

There are also some hammers that add power to the attack or special. Increasing your attack speed is somewhat less appealing—still good, but given the choice, you’d likely prefer to hit harder with your Riposte strikes than spend them faster.

Hermes Success Rate is really strong with Riposte because you’re starting with a pretty high crit chance, so you get more from the multiplier. (It also benefits Grievous Wounds.) Hestia and Aphro gains will proc very consistently too, so you don’t need a ton of free magick to keep doing your omega attacks. (You actually don’t need magick to parry and riposte, but you won’t get the actual attack.)

I think Apollo can be pretty good because the larger strike size can get you more out of your Riposte strikes by hitting more enemies. I believe Extra Dose doesn’t consume a Riposte charge when it procs (for the second hit—the first one does as usual), and it would also benefit from Success Rate. Daze is always nice to have on a close-range weapon, and then you can also get the Back Burner backstab bonus. Apollo’s Legendary would also be good, but setting up legendaries is tricky. I think Aphro cast’s pull function can help get more out of Riposte strikes too, by packing enemies into a smaller area rather than making the strikes bigger. Hera’s Hitch would also allow you to spread any crits around.

Zeus’s Static Discharge doesn’t specifically benefit Artemis aspect, but it’s just good on any rapid-attack weapon. Compared to some other flat on-hit effects, Static Discharge is particularly appealing because it doesn’t take a core boon slot. So you can have a percentage buff on your power-boosted attack and still proc chain lightning everywhere

[elfin forge]

If you get a crit, does it apply to all hits of a multihitting move? Does it apply to poseidon waves?

[night jungle]

50f fellas, what arcana do you start with? i was going sorceress/strength but because i feel my dps starves once i run out of magick i'm trying the huntress, the biggest bottleneck i have right now is magick starving so i'm trying to raise my omegaless damage but i might also just swap to aphrodite keepsake at this point

[uneven palm]

Left column for Divinity, rows and cash corner, strength, Origination. Artificer for underworld or Lovers for Surface. If you’re running out of magick and magick is your DPS consider running Hecuba

Mini’s sheet links to various Arcana setups but there’s not a ton of variation that I’m seeing at this point

[night jungle]

oh wait

we go time 3 instead of time 2 and voidd 3?

[solemn loom]

Merged data from community submission. 500+ gameplay vids.
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[night jungle]

you knnow i sometimes get runs with 3 minnutes left on time 2 void 3 (death angle), if i go time 3 void 0 that might be way better

[tall notch]

Wait were you actually going to run void3 at 50f? That's wild

[night jungle]

in hindsight i thought judgement would let me scale as i get to typhon

the issue was getting beyond thesily , nasty region

[brave dove]

jesus

if you're taking void for 50f you take void 2 and drop hordes

trading it out for timer is insane

(void 2 lets you get the right hand side column + strength)

[night jungle]

might be onto something here

issue is that without judgement it might be nasty because you don't get origination , huntress, furies for later bosses

people must be crazy good for pulling that setup off

oh wait i'm hallucinating you only activate lovers and night on the right column

[brave dove]

right hand column includes judgment

[night jungle]

yeah mb i forgot the moon activation

[paper flare]

OK so I know that the slow cooker bug is probably dead by next patch

but all this use of firewalk kinda makes me wish it was just Hestia's base sprint boon

obviously it would need a lot of work if they did go that way but I love the idea of it being able to scale

[zenith wigeon]

Hello folks! I’m trying to attempt new save first run win just to challenge myself wanted to ask if there are any reccomended builds that people can suggest. I know guaranteed gods are Apollo, Aphro, Posideon or Hestia

[dim kelp]

I don’t know if crits roll independently per enemy hit by a single strike. Riposte gives critical chance to your weapon strikes specifically, so I’m pretty sure flat add-on damage doesn’t benefit. I think you’d need a source of global crit chance (or “mini-crit” from Ares) to crit with Poseidon waves

[night jungle]

go for daze dodge?

hestia's 10%+ from scorch, aphrodite 3% per air (idk if it's unlocked at the start tho), daze

[brave dove]

infusion boons need an incant, I believe?

[night jungle]

what about duos

the doddge/ daze heal duo is fairly decent

[brave dove]

duos can show up I think

[dim kelp]

Duos are definitely available on fresh file in H1, so I imagine they’d be for H2

[tall notch]

Yeah, beach ball was a whole fresh file meta

[magic moss]

if you want to join the speedcord, we have multiple writeups for builds

[brave dove]

not who you replied to but I'd be interested in a speedcord invite, sub-10 on surface is still eluding me

[fleet quarry]

usually you go for an apollo attack start, and then look for poseidon sprint so u can get beach ball

mininet does bballess, both of which there are more extensive writeups for in speedcord (click on the “discord” button linked at the src page) https://www.speedrun.com/hades2

[loud moat]

Hey hey, any thoughts on theory crafting non-Poseidon Pan builds? Potentially with Flick/Trick knives involved?

Had a fun run with Apollo. I could imagine Hera or perhaps Zeus being good, especially with ransom

[magic moss]

there is no theory crafting. The moment you said trick knives the run was won

[magic moss]

aint no way

[brave dove]

aha, ty ty

[loud moat]

Well, yeah, trick knife is amazing. I can imagine Hitch, or even Ares Special with Grievous blow to be good. With a good rarity you’ve got a 25% chance for crit damage on each special against wounded foes

[brave dove]

trick knives heinous affront is the funniest build in the game imo if you want something specific

zeus attack, ares special, swing for apollo's revenge boon if you can get it

take raki for crit

if you really want to push it further beyond, try to get both hera and aphrodite in the god pool for extended family and shameless attitude

but zeus and ares give you so much scaling that's unlikely to be useful (and on the kind of fear levels it would be, you don't have enough boons)

[loud moat]

Extended family is like crack for me. I’ve taken it on final zone sometimes just because 60%+ Olympian damage is so juicy.

Been having trouble getting Hienius Affront to pop off. Preferably I’d like it to proc off of Third Degree with Glowing coal, but the boon requirements for all that can be hard to make work.

[brave dove]

you want aoe hits and you want apollo revenge if it's humanly possible

because then if you hit six enemies with one ares attack you hit every enemy in the room with apollo revenge six times

[loud moat]

Speaking of Wounds, I found some anti-synergy with Ares Flourish and Controlled Burn/Fourth Degree

If you get a target wounded from your attack or special, then Fourth degree is pretty much useless as it won’t proc the wound bonus damage.

[brave dove]

for hestia I think any issues are that hestia is kind of like, way down the list for heinous affront god pool candidates

[loud moat]

Works great with Glowing coal (throw your cast)

But vicious flourish + Fourth degree is no bueno

[zenith wigeon]

Gotcha! Thank you so much, i’ll probably join speedcord cause ive been trying to do another save thats sub 10 runs to hit chronos and once i get that, I wanna try to go for that new save run

[loud moat]

Yea, it was more of a “in a perfect world” scenario.

I’d want glowing coal to proc my wounds, maybe blitz on special, vicious strike.

So you throw the cast, explode enemies and then flick knives blitz onto everything. Throw in Aphro for Romantic spark for more shenanigans, combined with flick knives you’re dashing around anyways.

[brave dove]

you don't need to throw the cast

you can kill grit 3 fangs 2 armoured enemies with one dash attack with a properly scaled heinous affront trick knives

[mint lotus]

Im having a hard time to win superfice with staff. any good builds ?

[brave dove]

which aspect?

[mint lotus]

Momo is the only one i have leveled

[brave dove]

Momus is really good anyway, that's cool — have you gotten to the final surface boss before?

[mint lotus]

yes this is the last weapon that i need to win superfice for the profecy

having a hard time to do enoght damage

[brave dove]

In that case I'd suggest focusing ares or hera, they've got the most raw power of any god. Specifically, you want a high rarity Born Gain from Hera so you can just... spam omega attacks all over the place, try to get cross cataclysm for hammers.

grab hephaestus if you can as your third for defensive tools

also, if you're not already, use the Strength arcana, not Death, it's just outright better due to how the maths works

[night jungle]

probably a bad build but i like double hit hammer with hestia/demeter teamup and attack scorch and or static shock
Got me up to 32f in overworld

[brave dove]

mirrored thrasher is nuts

if you could reliably get it I'd have recommended it first

[mint lotus]

I just need to cheese this staff, i dont like this weapon.

[brave dove]

if you're willing to fish for mirrored thrasher, I will once again preach the gospel of heinous affront

you need ares attack not special to make it work with staff though, knives can kinda make either work ares special/zeus attack is just slightly better

ares attack, divine vengeance, apollo revenge if you can get it, hestia mana gain, though hera is fine if you get enough magicka

[night jungle]

I am very tempted to start my run with Hephaestus just for the get shield prime magick boon

I run daggers so i guess i don't need hera as much since i can make do with idk Poseidon

And of course Zeus ares can sub for hee

[glossy forge]

https://discord.gg/NAbeXz6F

[woeful moth]

Does anyone experience screen zoom in sometimes?

Resulting in off screen projectiles

[frigid ore]

i feel like i can handle any part of 50f except for wards. with wards on as well i cant even clear erebus consistently

it makes me either take hits because i brute force the extra hits i need or it makes me time out because i keep a safe distance from the laser spinners and the screamers

[brave dove]

'even' but erebus is the hardest part-

you could take void 2 instead of wards

[magic moss]

void 2 is unironically harder than void 3, just do void 3 hordes 0

[brave dove]

huh isn't void 3 lower than 9

[glossy forge]

it's 6 grasp, generally you run strength and persistence, or you do sorceress persistence artificer, or strength huntress, or anything you want honestly. erebus is free with hordes 0

[brave dove]

aaah okay, I figured with void 2 you could grab the right hand column + strength

[glossy forge]

you can just do the right column without strength tbh, i do that sometimes when I want divinity

[gaunt canopy]

How does void work with Judgement?

[brave dove]

void 4 disables it, you need at least one card selected for it to activate

if you mean cards activated during the run, those don't interact with your grasp so void doesn't limit you there

[pallid kayak]

Hey guys what are some really good early game cards I should use? For reference im using the axe and i only have 16 grasp.
And is the centaur card worth it now or i should wait until i have more grasp

[brave dove]

centaur is great in every build, but now's the time you should experiment to see how you like certain effects, honestly

one of the big gamechangers is the reroll corner but you don't really have enough grasp for that yet really, you'd have to give up too much because it costs 12 by itself

[wide pollen]

If I get a chaos boon that buffs cast damage, does it buff anything other than the Omega cast damage?

Because it didn't seem to be affecting hera cast or arctic gale

[junior trail]

any cast boon (❌ Rapture Ring, Tidal Ring, Solar Ring, Engagement Ring, Sword Ring, Smolder Ring), omega cast detonation (+momus o.cast), and prom flare

[wide pollen]

It didn't buff Engagement Ring

I compared before and after and also did the math

[junior trail]

thats exactly what i said, ❌ are exceptions

[wide pollen]

Oh, I see

That's a lot of exceptions

That leaves... Demeter, Zeus, Heph. Hestia doesn't do direct damage.

[junior trail]

hestia is out of question lol scorch do be quirky

[analog scarab]

This is a game from the Super Giants, after all. What do you want? For it to work as described? You never know how something works until you test it yourself.

[dim kelp]

I think what Bryan is getting at is that saying “any cast” and then listing a larger number of exceptions than there are casts remaining to follow the rule is kinda confusing

[analog scarab]

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Just what I need on a 50 surface

full hand of nothing.

[brave dove]

traces of spirit is amazing though

[analog scarab]

Not for a black coat.

[brave dove]

at least you'll get a bunch of magicka to use with heph later?

[analog scarab]

No. Why would I use mana when my highest dps is my dash attack and normal attack. Plus, my mana will be reserved anyway.

[brave dove]

reserved mana still counts for that one heph boon that scales hp off magicka, iirc

[analog scarab]

By the way, when all your mana is reserved you can't even activate the Huntress bonus... so dumb.

[loud moat]

Does anyone know what the interaction between Super Nova and Winner’s circle is?

Does the cast size increase rapidly expand to the maximum it can within the reduced time? Or does having winner’s circle cut off its expansion early.

Not around my computer otherwise I’d test it

[dim kelp]

I believe the expansion happens at the usual rate, so winner’s circle cuts it off early. I’m not 100% sure on that tho

[willow phoenix]

It cuts off early

[loud moat]

Sadness

Would love if it expanded at an enhanced rate.

[solemn loom]

Given the large amount of gameplays, we've added the option to set the minimum & maximum fear, default ( >=1 and <=55).
So if you want to see only 32 Fear gameplays, you can do so by setting min and max to 32.

You can also toggle between latest gameplay (D) or highest fear (F), global.

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[errant latch]

okay I really need some help here bc 32f surface is seriously kicking my butt :/
doing pan blades for this
arcana: all first column, all second except death, huntress, strength, origination, sometimes I try to delete sorceress and huntress for artificer to buff thessaly
vows: wards 2, frenzy 2, menace 2, return 2, fangs 2, scars 2, shadow, time 3, hubris 2, denial
boons: start with poseidon, try to get hera gain, dem cast, slip and if I can fit in either a heph or ares for duo
keepsakes: poseidon, athena/god, heph (if athena in thessaly), bones
I generally time out big time at eris

[pearl cedar]

I took strength, which helps a lot. Also frenzy two surface is I think the hardest vow. You will have a much easier time turning frenzy down and almost anything else up.

I also did time 2 only. Which coudl be overkill, but is much much easier and time 3 is only one more fear I think?

[frigid ore]

time three is three more fear

[dim kelp]

Sorceress is the buffed Ω speed, right? That seems pretty important for pan unless you have trick knives. Have you tried trading out swift runner instead if you want artificer?

Fig leaf for Thessaly might help if your time is tight

[willow phoenix]

Ngl if you time out at eris I don't see you completing Olympus as that's usually the longest stretch in surface runs at least for me, especially with Prom having 2 long intermissions in a fight lol

So I guess all I can say is try fig on Thessaly and just play better. Or you can change aspect too. I found Mel Skull to be the easiest for 32f by far, Medea too if you can play it well. Pan can need a lot of micro adjustment for better time which can be hard

[woven idol]

What's the preferred Attack boons for Moros Torch? And what does the explosions damage count as? Are they affected by Attack boons or Specials or not at all?

[willow phoenix]

Only attacks

All the % damage are good, but Hera and Ares are probably the best

[woven idol]

The explosions are counted as Attack damage? Didnt know that

[willow phoenix]

I mean it's your attack exploding

[woven idol]

For Special, Zeus is really good yeah?

[willow phoenix]

Yeah zeus is the best

[woven idol]

Got it ty

[thin knot]

Where can we go to find common builds for h2?

Is the a link to a info graphic or something?

[magic moss]

the closest thing is this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit?usp=sharing
This is for 50 fear, but anything that can work in 50 can work in low fear so take that as you will

[brave dove]

wards or return is maybe worth swapping out for something like debt 1 grit 1 or debt 1 + swapping denial for forfeit

it's a huge offender for timer issues

at a pc and can check, my usual surface 32 is pain 3, menace 2, time 3, shadow, hubris 2, forfeit, fangs 2 and frenzy 2

for underworld I'd switch forfeit to denial and take a point of scars

[delicate ferry]

Yo anyone got a good build for axe aspect of than

[olive tusk]

ares

manage to get success rate and you wont even need any other god except for him

[night jungle]

ares is made for this yeah but i also love comfy ol apollo

roomwide attack moment

[errant latch]

aphro 👀

[cobalt lagoon]

apollo attack on axe is sooooo satisfying

[solemn loom]

Shareable Hammer Rating. ex:
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[brave dove]

oh that's neat

I basically don't play the other three and barely play axe but: https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/Hammer/?tiers=WyJCIiwiQSIsIiIsIkIiLCJCIiwiQSIsIlMiLCJDIiwiQiIsIkMiLCJBIiwiQSIsIkMiLCJCIiwiQyIsIkEiLCJCIiwiQiIsIkMiLCJCIiwiQSIsIlMiLCJTIiwiQSIsIkEiLCJCIiwiQiIsIkIiLCJBIiwiQiIsIkEiLCJTIiwiUyIsIkEiLCJCIiwiQSIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiIsIiJd

[frigid ore]

@glossy forge hey im in erebus with 10hp, 60armour, 2dds, no defensive boons, and im being offered rare tough gain and epic heavy metal. which would you take here

-2 damage taken without strength dr or +100 armour

ah crap nobody is online i think i have to go short term here sadly

[glossy forge]

epic heavy metal

[frigid ore]

alright im out of erebus

i have uh. rare sworn strike, epic vicious flourish, common hestia run, epic stutter step, +39% attacks damage, that heavy metal but i spent it all, and common trusty shield. 27hp, 2DD what would you recc for a keepsake

41.61s left on the timer so im not particularly tight id say

[glossy forge]

hmm

what's your aspect?

[frigid ore]

mel skulls. i could go dem hoping for the cast?

i think i save athena for region 3

[glossy forge]

your survivability is good, your damage is good, i'd take fig leaf in hopes of a herro skip

[frigid ore]

yeah. my leaf is only level 2 unfortunately but thats still probably my best bet

[glossy forge]

wait if it's only level 2 then take dem

[frigid ore]

dem is also level two

[glossy forge]

[frigid ore]

however the cast is good so yeah dem

[glossy forge]

take dem anyway yes

[frigid ore]

ooh do i take an ixion

[glossy forge]

yes

[frigid ore]

alr wish me luck

[glossy forge]

good luck 🫡 you got this

[frigid ore]

…i immediately got fangs’d into oblivion

[analog scarab]

Only today, after 200 hours in the game, I realized that in the translation of the description of Persephone's aspect they forgot to specify that it MAY be charged with cast damage. And all this time I couldn't understand why sometimes omega attack lasts longer than usual. And yes, I was trying to make 50 fear surface without knowing that....

Damn it

[glossy forge]

Wait I don’t get it explain it like I’m 10

[analog scarab]

When you use an Omega special with this aspect, its duration can be increased if you did damage with a cast beforehand. There is a charging indicator at the bottom and an audible notification when the aspect is fully charged. And the duration increases many times when fully charged, so it's important.

[willow phoenix]

So is that just not explained in the translation? Seems like a pretty big thing to miss

It is only explained at the Sprouted tooltip though

[analog scarab]

The aspect is best charged with an omega cast, but normal casts will charge it too. Even secondary effects like Demeter's Winds or Protuberance work. As far as I can tell everything works except Hestia's Cast. Because it doesn't do damage by itself, it does scorch. And scorch doesn't count as cast damage

[analog scarab]

The Russian description says that omega special triggers “sprouts” and they extend its duration. Not a word about caste.

[simple turret]

post about this in feedback

[analog scarab]

I already did.

in game

[willow phoenix]

Is there no Sprouted description at the right part of the screen? It's only explained there

[simple turret]

ah ok makes sense

[analog scarab]

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A special attack (omega) gives sprouts. You can change direction during this attack

[willow phoenix]

Ah yeah that's a big miss in the translation

[analog scarab]

Sprouts extend your special attack by 2 seconds. It continues to work without interfering with your movement

Not a word about cast

[willow phoenix]

Pretty funny though how the aspects works perfectly fine without the added duration lol

[analog scarab]

I noticed that sometimes the special attack lasts longer than usual and experimentally found out what exactly charges it....

[analog scarab]

The difference is still huge. With a fully charged omega you can kill a miniboss in one go.

Or completely sweep an entire room

[glossy forge]

Oh I get it, I was confused bc you said omega attack and not omega special, I thought you discovered something about the omega attack on Persephone

[iron ember]

it's time for black coat 32 fear. gonna start w/ ares and try to build an ares/zeus run

surface

[glossy forge]

Sounds like a plan, gl

[analog scarab]

I've made a few attempts with a 50 surface coat through a build like this. I want to say that the enemies in Olympus have too much health already, it becomes very exhausting to pound them with Ares' coat attack and I was constantly running out of time.

[iron ember]

real. im probably goign to switch to hestia x. someone else who uses fire boons

i dont know. for slow burner

[analog scarab]

Poseidon + hammer on the triple dash strike.

[iron ember]

alright ill do poseidon and hammer

is that with hestia or without?

[analog scarab]

You just look at what you have in town besides Poseidon and if you're lucky pick up something for Duo.

I've tried to ignore the fig leaf a couple times for the sake of collecting lots of boons through natural selection and ended up running out of time each time. Died of time in the fight with Prometheus. Very annoying.

It's possible, but you depend a lot on luck for quick rooms and skips.

[iron ember]

fair

[analog scarab]

The divine dash is very important. Helps you not get punched in the face during a dash attack. So Athena in the City is my choice 100% of the time.

[woeful moth]

Slow cooker is bugged in this patch?

[stable herald]

Yeah, it was discovered recently that it's actually a global buff. Def not intended but it's huge for things that deal a lot of rapid damage like Fire Walk

[analog scarab]

Fire Walk + slow coocker is incredibly good against Tiffany. You just run under her nose and she burns, taking thousands of damage per second.

[woeful moth]

Tiffany...

Global damage means it affects everythign from what I understand? So instead of only attacks and specials it also affects all damages like scorch, blitz, etc...?

[stable herald]

Yes. There are some thing it doesn't work with, idk off the top of my head, but it's pretty strong and definitely not intentional

Oh it doesn't work with scorch, I know that

[analog scarab]

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Speaking of firewalking. After countless attempts to pass 50 surface with a coat through the attack, I return to the already proven method....
(Shamefully, I died on that attempt, even though I had an incredibly good start)

[silent crow]

who is tiffany

[junior trail]

typhon

[silent crow]

oh is this the new lingo i missed out on since i left

[woven idol]

Give it some more time and they'd call typhon tiff

[cobalt lagoon]

what's the best way to get hermes' legendary? i figure surface route for his shops and just. hope really hard??? rerolls??????

[willow phoenix]

Yea probably just get the prereq boons then get as many hermes boon you can get + rerolls. Hermes legendary is rarer than other legendaries so yeah just lots of rng

Surface is probably the best since you get much more money and boons there

[night jungle]

is heracles guaranteed to be in one of ethyra's rooms ? like can i keep resetting the run until i get the room he actually is in?

[glossy forge]

No, it’s a probabilistic system; there’s a set chance of him appearing in any given room, and this chance increases when you haven’t seen him in a while (3 or more nights without seeing him)

[night jungle]

interesting

so if i haven't seen him in a while i can maybe angle for a 5minute run...

aand there he is ...

[cobalt lagoon]

me: yeah sure i’ll do 8 heat eris for the nightmare
also me, losing all my DDs pre-eris: thisisfine.jpg

[night jungle]

if i deliberately end my runs on the second chamber, does it still accumilate ? like i die 5 times in the first chamber and then i can bank on him being available , or do i have to finish a night clearing etheyra

[glossy forge]

yes, it still accumulates. Not only that, if you clear the underworld 3 times in a row, then go to the surface, the increased chance is active

[tall notch]

Oh so that's why i usually see him. I rarely play surface

[night jungle]

Awesome

Does this work similarly for artemis?

[glossy forge]

yes, for both surface and underworld, if you don't see her for 3 nights (doesn't matter where, as long as you don't see her), there's an increased chance of her spawning in the appropriate encounters

[night jungle]

Ok so if i just go surface, die chamber 1 over and over, i can theoretically get a very high chance of skipping 3 rooms (with athena)

That sounds super handy for 5 minute runs

[tall notch]

That sounds like an absolute pain for speedrunning if it's actually how this work

[night jungle]

I was more thinking for high fear runs, if i get none of heracles, artemis or medea i often run out of timer

Unless i get lucky with hera attack and trick knives but let's be realistic here

[glossy forge]

well we have a handy incantation (||acceptance of another fate||) that allows us to die three times to set up the increased chances for certain npcs, then reset over and over without having to die again because we can just randomize the seed instead of dying to change the rng

[tall notch]

Resetting 3 times before each run still sounds tedious 😭

[night jungle]

the point is that you can give up and go back to when we had the setup, then refresh the seed to get different enemies and boons without losing the setup

so it's a one and done if done right (unless you get murdered along the way)

[cursive oyster]

bonus points for giving yourself a good BBB loadout for the run

[timber pawn]

Tbh most of us are not doing this for surface at least. It has so much variance as is.

Underworld is a bit of a different matter but at least a couple of the top 5 times totally ignored these hidden mechanics

[wide pollen]

Eventually the hydra became Lernie in game and I don't even remember its real name

Be funny if this happened in Hades 2

[wide pollen]

Does it keep increasing after it is more than 3 nights?

[brave dove]

alright high fear players please teach me your axe building ways, I'm having issues scaling damage without pomming the main attack which feels distinctly suboptimal at least in vibes

or doing the double chop hammer combo but that feels bad at even mid fear

[glossy forge]

psychic whirlwind, seething marauder are your main hammers (psychic is better), furious is great if you already have one of those two. look for a high rarity weed killer from demeter to really pop off

alternatively, if you're doing mel axe, dashing heave is an insta win if you have divine dash

[brave dove]

I was doing mel axe but I am about to switch to than axe purely for the attack speed, so notes on both is good

[glad crag]

daybreaker staff with ares legendary is so funny lmao

i ended up with +250 speed lmao

[thin ridge]

I can’t even tell who is this is supposed to be

[analog scarab]

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There they are. Tiffani and XBox Kinect Zeus.
I heard it once in a youtube video and now I can't perceive these two any other way.

[jolly swan]

"Xbox Kinect Zeus"

[analog scarab]

Okay.

[worn oriole]

Boated GOATED

[thin cloud]

Anyone got any fun build ideas with the black coat aspect of selene?

[willow phoenix]

Best I can think of is just Apollo O attack spam with Apollo legendary for big numbers

Selene isn't exactly a fun aspect for me

Maybe you can play around the Skyfall applies attack boon effect with like Hitch or Blitz

[thin cloud]

Yeah maybe I can figure out something fun with blitz, the other aspects just seem mediocre to me

[willow phoenix]

I found that the coat becomes much more fun when you just mash both attack and special all the time lol, at least for mel and nyx

But I believe the meta for coat is mostly just exhaust riser dash attack spam with poseidon attack and static shock. Add duos related to it like Arterial Spray and Master Conductor and the dps is nasty

[thin cloud]

Maybe I can do a fun Ares build with the coat, I haven’t used his stuff in a while

Not sure what else I’d use though

[stable herald]

Exhaust Riser also works great for a Freezer Burn build

I'm greedy and like Arctic Ring + Winner's Circle to activate Freezer Burn, but Ice Flourish on the missiles works too

one problem with Selene is that the "Hex benefits from attack/special boons" path of stars is bugged and doesn't apply bonus damage, just the bonus effect. So boons that add all their damage through the effect like Zeus, Poseidon, or Hestia are the only ones that fully benefit

another problem is that the omega attack on the Coat is butts, which is less than ideal for spending magick to build up your Hex

[willow phoenix]

Poseidon with Hestia is also good for scalding vapor that deals deceptively high damage

But yeah I also feel like coat o attack sucks lol

[cobalt lagoon]

coat o attack got me safely past eris last night

i wish it worked more like shield in h1 and didn't autofire though

[wooden charm]

Hey are there any good builds for the black coat? I just unlocked it

[surreal hazel]

It's pretty flexible tbh

the base damage of the fists is 30/40 for the combo, the rockets have a base of 25

nice middleground where +damage and +% work just fine

the hammer upgrades are pretty wonky though, with shimmering rockets being comically overpowered by comparison to a lot of other choices

and Sworn Flourish with Shimmering Rockets is honestly hilariously powerful

[night jungle]

Subscribe to the exhaust riser agenda

[rustic sedge]

Ares on Coat is extremely good, especially for special

[thin cloud]

Why on special?

[rustic sedge]

Ospecial spreads Wounds like crazy, for dash attack/regular attack spam

[tribal wedge]

Does hostile environment also drag enemies?

[thin cloud]

Would hera attack/ares special be good?

[junior trail]

with rapture ring it kinda does ig

[cobalt lagoon]

how do we feel about frenzy 2, menace 2, fangs 2, time 1 and hubris 1 as a first-ever 16 fear uw attempt fellas?

[wintry ore]

frenzy is usually one i try to avoid personally

but menace, fangs, hubris, and time 1 are basically free imo

[willow phoenix]

If you're fine with frenzy 2 it's pretty easy

Otherwise then you can work around it with timer 3 and other vows

[cobalt lagoon]

i'm managing okay so far! we'll see how scylla et al go with 40% more speed...... ha ha...

momus, apollo attack, mint condition and hydraulic might go brrrrr

[dim kelp]

For UW, I think cerbie is the boss that takes the most getting used to with the speed buff

Or, well, maybe not with momus actually. You can probably play pretty safe distance and get a good number of repeat omega hits

[cobalt lagoon]

i actually found hecate's hexes trickiest, those things spin up fast

i usually end up facetanking most of cerberus' stomps, but i try and keep on his back

[dim kelp]

Ah, that’s fair. The triple fire one is definitely much harder with frenzy for me

I think the thing with frenzy is that once you turn it on, it makes sense to just keep it on forever

(Assuming you don’t utterly loathe it after trying it)

[cobalt lagoon]

yeah like i said i stick to cerby's back so i'm always dashing if he turns towards me lmao

[brave dove]

frenzy 2 fangs 2 and time 3 is my recommendation, adjusting to frenzy 2 is best done as early as possible and it takes a while to internalise fangs mechanics

[cobalt lagoon]

#h2-victory-boasting message i managed uw and surface!

[brave dove]

time 3 takes some adjustment but it's one of the easiest fears to learn and is essentially free until about 45 fear once you do learn it

oh nice!

[cobalt lagoon]

looking at my times i def could have done time 3 but it would have been close

[brave dove]

time 3 surface can be stressful because of thessaly and to a lesser extent olympus wave and skip rng, for UW the hardest part is erebus because hecate loves wasting your time

but then oceanus is super free and you have a huge lead for fields onwards

[cobalt lagoon]

not me watching the morph cast sail straight past my goddamn toad 😩

[brave dove]

even if you can reliably dodge it her invuln phases and clone moves eat up a tonne of time

[tall notch]

Triple divide

Man I love Hecate. She could DM a DnD campaign and I'd be there for it

[iron ember]

attempt 400billion for black coat 32f surface

probably going to start with uhhhhh. whats her face.
athena

[open vine]

Loving that Nyxpect gives you an Omega Sprint, but I'm having a heck of a time making good use of it. Any advice for either maximizing use of the Omega Sprint attack itself?

Or, if there's no good way to capitalize on the Omega Sprint, for capitalizing on its Nightspawn effect?

[vale shard]

The omega sprint is just there imo, nothing to abuse really

[brave dove]

nyx is just kinda undertuned

[north blaze]

Hi everyone, new here and haven't played played since Prometheus release. What's the best place to find Arcana builds? I tend to struggle with those my first few attempts after not playing a while and I'd like to just jump back in

[uneven palm]

Most folks do lower left corner for rolls and cash, left column for Divinity, Strength or Death, probably Persistence, rest is up to you but Origination and Lovers are common to close out

[analog scarab]

Lovers don't make much sense if you don't play the surface with pain on max.
And I personally play even 50 fear with Artificer

[uneven palm]

I do artificer for underworld 50s yeah

On lower fear I’ll drop Lovers a lot too but then I always miss it. It’s nice to be able to goof against bosses or have some padding for Antler time

[dim kelp]

Speaking of internalizing fangs mechanics, what does the pink circle mean? It seems like something I probably shouldn’t stand in, but I haven’t been able to identify what it’s doing to me, if anything

[elfin forge]

idk if it's pink but the only circle I can think of is the mana drain

[brave dove]

drains magicka, iirc, there's another circle on the roots one but I don't think that one's pink

[dim kelp]

Ahhh that makes sense

The “roots one” is the one that makes the stunning vine patch thing?

[glossy forge]

Yes

[feral compass]

Can y'all suggest what weapon and what settings to do for 32 fear 😭

[magic moss]

momus

[feral compass]

o7

[analog scarab]

Than axe is also good for beginners. Especially if you build up a bunch of damage reduction effects.

[hollow briar]

It's pretty much just a hallway nuker

You just have to make sure you're not sprinting into an active hitbox and it oughta work out; Nyx just tends to be good regardless for the fact that it's a Coat Aspect which already puts it on a pretty high pedestal considering its Spesh is both really safe and really versatile

https://youtu.be/x7MeZWBZsE8?si=abWYdR7vps7GUoZg&t=842 Extremely old vid but it shows a bit of what I'm talking about

You're not always gonna need to utilize Nightspawn, and knowing when to use it vs when it's better to take it slower isn't always too clear-cut, but in really dense rooms like this one it's a godsend lol

[feral compass]

and any suggestions for the settings?

[tall notch]

Hard to go wrong as long as you avoid void and onion tbh

[feral compass]

o7

[stark ibex]

can't get the hang of using moros on surface feels more close range then the dagger some how

[willow phoenix]

Moros is for close range

[woeful moth]

Does bridal glow bug work with 1 unpomable boon?

I am watching halean rn I don't undertand why he would go for aphro after taking hermes and has hera's keepsake

In the vid he is trying the bug

[open vine]

Mmm. That’s a bit disappointing but good to know.

[cobalt lagoon]

man i love it when steady growth rarifies itself

also, i have demeter's legendary on like, thessaly encounter 1.5

[hollow briar]

Yeh, I mean, it’s still by far my fav Coat Aspect and one of my favs in general because I love the flow of it in high Fear (eg. with Hordes), but I do think it can feel a little lackluster in general play if you’re not specifically going out of your way to utilize it because of how good base Coat is lmao

[cosmic steppe]

What's the cd on Poseidon+hestia duo?

And are meli torches the optimal aspect for maximizing its dmg?

I'm thinking Poseidon specials and hestia attacks

[olive tusk]

bridal glow can only trigger if you have boons from one of the 9 main gods, it can't trigger on hermes

he wont be able to get the bridal glow without aphro

[woeful moth]

Ah i see.

[agile kelp]

hey im having trouble beating prometheus in the overworld. Can someone reccomend a build for me?

[cosmic steppe]

Low fear you just set up your cast+omega cast (+special if impossible via cast boons alone) combo to proc origination and let Charon axe play itself

Or pan knives with poseidon

Easiest Charon runs for me were back when I played on the first patches with either deme or hestia on cast and Poseidon omega cast with slippery slope

Apollo hera ares or high rarity Demeter all work for regen on low fear for that build

[cobalt lagoon]

apollo omega-attack on momus staff works really well too. my 20 fear run i had apollo attack, demeter special/cast. drop omega cast, o-attack a couple times, smack him while magick refills, don't get hit. (though i did have heroic tough gain at that point so i facetanked everything)

also, consider swapping from Death to Strength

[atomic ibex]

How are you using it? You are meant to use the o special, the fire attacks while they spin around to immediately detonate them

[stark ibex]

Yh I use it like that with Zeus special or when I want to do funny runs Ares

Then I get close and try and basic as much as I can but there are times where the build doesn't feel as good and the moments where you have to stop and do the omega

[tame karma]

Cool site. What framework did you use?

[solemn loom]

diasy5

The website is not finished. just placeholder until v1.0

Then it will be simply the highest fear with all the boon (hammer/duo/etc). A exclusive ladder.

That way don't need to update as often. lul

[tame karma]

Am also dev looking to make something for hades

[atomic ibex]

So who's harder: Prometheus or EM Hades?

[elfin forge]

minimum heat/fear?

[magic moss]

think its EM Hades?

even at a baseline

[brave dove]

you can't ever really explode hades, there are builds that just evaporate prom, though admittedly those are outliers

[worn oriole]

https://youtu.be/iDfSTMw9qsI?si=_se5W5hITlpAsOIX

This guide rly helped me

[glossy forge]

god i can't imagine how many views this video is gonna get when 1.0 drops and millions of people get hopelessly stuck at prometheus

[analog scarab]

he is not that hard

He's just overloaded with special effects that make it hard to understand what he's doing on first encounters. Once you recognize his movements, he's cooked.

The most annoying thing, and I think it's a bug, is when in phase two he summons satyrs right before you got him. He ends up going off on a memory useless waste of time mini game , but the satyrs don't go anywhere. And they keep shooting at me while I'm memorizing and dodging fire streams.

[glossy forge]

I agree, he's not that hard, and when you recognize his movements he's cooked. New people are simply going to be nuked down way too fast to remember the moves and how to dodge them, and they'll rely on strong builds to muscle their way through instead of learning the fight.

[analog scarab]

I suppose there's also the point that if you make a dash too early, the damage will come at you

But it's a cheap trick that all games use.

deliberately slow animation and then rapid damage

[glossy forge]

reminds me of the chronos instakill lol, the timing to dash through that thing is so unintuitive

[analog scarab]

Just don't dash through it..

stand in a circle.

In a fight with Cronus, you don't need to be in much of a hurry anyway. If you make it to the tartarus, it'll take you 5 minutes to finish. That's always enough.

It's usually the fight with Prometheus that is the most rushed. I often come to him with zero time....

[glossy forge]

it's not that I'm in a hurry, it's that i'm prepping for em4 on max fear where i'll have to be in a hurry. and i have the timing down now, but it was very unintuitive learning how to get the timing

[glossy forge]

true, olympus sometimes feels like it takes forever

[analog scarab]

The enemy spawn patterns sometimes just suck up your time. Instead of strong enemies that you can kill in seconds, the game gives you a ton of small ones after which you still have to run around the room collecting green crap....

[magic moss]

What aspect deserves to be put in the 50 Fear Hall of Fame? The other will be listed as an honorable mention
1️⃣ for Trick Knives Pan
2️⃣ for Medea

[analog scarab]

You're putting pan over mel? I thought the back damage bonus was stronger.

[magic moss]

Pan is safer and has targeting

[analog scarab]

How about a cooker walk and a romantic spark? They too are incredibly powerful and safe.

[brave dove]

@magic mossplease give me your hot tips for circe

[magic moss]

1. Learn basic omega cycling. Ospecial -> Ocast on wave spawn is a really easy thing to do that gives you a lot of free damage. This also makes your omega attack have the Night crit bonus
2. Learn the staff combo of dash attack -> attack 1 -> special. Its a safe and fast way to stack up serenity
3. Understand staff omega priorities. Ospecial should really only be used during hordes of enemies that are stuck on the edge of your cast. Oattack is your main dps option used to kill high health enemies. Ocast is a good middle ground that you can plop down while running around
4. Be conscious of your remaining mana. Don't prime out to 0
   Heres a vod of my most recent circe clear if you want to watch
   https://youtu.be/uiltG5YhIEw?si=uI142uGWS8ROgGBg

[brave dove]

what arcana do you drop to fit night, origination for night + artificer?

I assume you want persistence so hubris doesn't ruin you in erebus

[magic moss]

I drop Origination for Night + Lovers and also run artificer

[brave dove]

ah, yeah I already have lovers on my standard 32 loadout so, origination for night + artificer, tyty

what's your preferred core gods?

I always find myself going for zeus or hera on staff but I might be overlooking good options

[magic moss]

Zeus Hera Dem Hestia

honestly, everything can work tbh

[brave dove]

I will say if I could somehow guarantee glowing coal + demeter cast with one keepsake I would use that keepsake a lot 😩

[magic moss]

glowing coal is weird, i dont like using it

[brave dove]

actually, minor staff combo question before I start the run - where's the best time to put the special in a full stagger combo, after the 'heavy' attack at the end or do you want to instead cancel that and go into dash->full combo?

I like it specifically with like, demeter and aphrodite cast where you can make an entire side of the room not bother you for a bit

but also sometimes it throws me off for a few encounters and gets me killed yes 😩

[glossy forge]

depends on whether you have % on the attack, but assuming no buffs, you dash attack -> attack -> attack -> special

[magic moss]

doing attack 2 puts attack 3 after the special and not dash attack

atk1 atk2 special atk3 is the "damage" option, but datk atk1 special repeat is the more mobile option

[glossy forge]

oh ig i have been operating under a misconception this entire time

[magic moss]

atk2 special can sometimes let you dash attack after, but you have to special really late

the point of special between atk2 and atk3 is because the internal endlag is different, so your atk3 comes out almost right after the special

if you want to datk after atk2, the late special overrides atk3 similar to the axe

[glossy forge]

there isn't a rigid rule though, once you get the feel of how to optimally work in your special there isn't a "do this for the whole room" combo

but thank you for the clarification

[magic moss]

yes i know, but the datk atk1 special is the basic combo high fear players should know and get down for staff

it makes room clearing significantly safer

[analog scarab]

Take away the free 50% damage from arcana? Wow, that's weird.
100 times out of 100 I'll either just not use night or remove artificer or lovers

[analog scarab]

I didn't know that... I didn't even think about it, I just went with my gut. It didn't stop me from playing 50 fear with a staff.

[magic moss]

watch some of my recent staff gameplay, proper omega cycling means you can get nearly equal damage as origination with night

[analog scarab]

I gotta give it a shot. I love crits.

[proper cloak]

what are some things i can try with the skulls and cloak? theyre my least used weapons i just havent really had a run where i had a ton of fun with them yet

[willow phoenix]

Skull is pretty straightforward, just put % attack like Apollo/Hera/Ares on attack and zeus on special. This works both with medea and mel skull. Just attack -> special loop, although with Mel skull you want to go through your entire magazine usually to make use of the extra power

Persephone is different since you need to pay attention to cast damage. My go to build is usually just Poseidon cast + Aphro special. Tbh you don't really need to charge the sprouted that much so just keep using O special

For coat I recommend using Mel Coat or Nyx since they're more fun than Selene imo lol

For max dps you can do dash attack spam with exhaust riser + wave strike + static shock + master conductor, usually for Mel coat. But imo mashing attack and special works just fine lol. I like doing poseidon attack and hestia special and aim for their duo with this.

[timber pawn]

Alt option is poseidon attack and ares special and then their duo, for Mel coat

[agile kelp]

i tried using nyx jetpack it works well with born gain fine line and alot of omega boons

[willow phoenix]

I'm personally not a fan of going Ares because grievous blow keeps not appearing for me lol

[timber pawn]

Me on every speedrun ever

[frigid ore]

for medea should i disable sorceress and enable messenger?

[tall notch]

sounds reasonable

[cosmic steppe]

i dont get it, i slap the hex proc off omega thing onto selene's, i slap a curse on my special, and somehow doing omega special on single target doenst proc orig on them instantly

what am i doing wrong

[atomic ibex]

Shine isn't a curse from an Olympian. Origination specific needs curses from Olympians

[open vine]

You’re mistaking a Titan for an Olympian is what. ;-)

[cosmic steppe]

well thats ann uinneeded specification then

[dim kelp]

Specification regarding who is or isn’t an Olympian? Or for how Origination works? I’m pretty sure the card description specifies curses from 2 different Olympians

Selene’s non-Olympian status is reflected in the book of shadows and various conversations

[cosmic steppe]

For how orig works

Anyways I'm 1 full day into playing selene and despite me struggling to assemble any builds both in terms of planning and execution of planning as well as completely ignoring the o-attack which I know is goated in quite a few scenarios this is probably my new favorite aspect now that I'm at peace with the fact that it takes generational luck to make a nuke Artemis daggers build

Also shout-out to Charon axe for completely removing local climate from the boon pool as soon as I take it

I was wandering, how does deme+ares duo with gale force work? Does the cyclone follow you along with the blade rift?

Wanted to try Charon with deme+apollo+ares now that I unlocked the latter

[eager ivy]

which vows would yall recommend for 16 fear or which are the easiest? kinda struggling cuz I am trying to get used to 2 frenzy but I still wanna keep it

[brave dove]

I don't know about easiest but I'd probably recommend time 3, frenzy 2 and then some combination of shadows, menace and fangs

you're right, adjusting to frenzy 2 is best done as early as possible and it's similar with timer and fangs because it takes a bit

though if you're short of timer 3 speed for now, time 2 and then more shadows/menace/fangs is also fine

[dim kelp]

High-fear players, how come y’all don’t gather resources in time-paused rooms? I get not getting them when the timer is running, but given the low number of boons you get over the course of a run, I would think getting the extra elements from the gathering tools would be pretty useful

Like, the marginal value of +1 [element] is higher when you’re only gonna get like 10 boons total, compared to the 20+ you could get without the onion and money vows, right?

[magic moss]

most of the time, the extra element isn't needed since most infusions aren't actively sought after. Even if the timer itself is paused during the gathering, it still takes time for traversal

[dim kelp]

I meant specifically in rooms like the shop when the timer is paused. I get that the actual running to the resource is probably not worth it time-wise

[magic moss]

again because most of the times its unneeded. for the element to actually give value, you need the appropriate infusion and most runs just dont have infusions

and if you are running uber high fear, you probably already have everything unlocked so the resource itself isn't needed

[dim kelp]

Yeah, I know the resource itself is likely unneeded. I was just thinking of the run-relevant benefit of getting the bonus elements

My thought was that it’s free to get, just in case a useful infusion comes up, but maybe it’s not worth the flow disruption

[magic moss]

i guess it also relies more on build identity and god priority. I'm going to raise you a question. What infusions do you look for when you collect the resources?

[dim kelp]

Depends on the god pool, I suppose. Slow Cooker and maybe Proper Upbringing are probably the only ones where I’d specifically be trying to get bonus elements from resources, but if I’ve got Aphro/Heph, then I’ll take the bonus air/earth in case I see theirs

I’m only playing at “medium fear” though, so boons aren’t as precious, and the pressure to be efficient with the selections isn’t so high

Which I suppose makes infusions overall more relevant for me

(Whoops, I mixed up Hera’s boon names—fixed)

[magic moss]

yeah. Slow cooker is Hestia's infusion, and Hestia is on the lower end of god priority right now. Heph has Trusty and Mint as highest priority with heavy metal and uncanny as secondary so his infusion isn't really a prio. Aphro has a lot better boon options than the infusion

[dim kelp]

Fair enough. I guess the same restrictions on boon accumulation that makes the extra element a bigger swing also puts many infusions past the line of “worth a boon slot”

[frigid ore]

sometimes i do

[dim kelp]

Do you gather for something specific?

[frigid ore]

yeah. plentiful forage :3

[dim kelp]

Ohh, that makes sense, it’s a more immediate benefit. Do you gather in non-timer-paused rooms too then?

If you’re missing HP

[frigid ore]

yeah as long as im not about to die to timer

im the most reckless high fear player probably so im naturally probably also the most likely to gather resources because im the most likely to pick plentiful forage because my reckless play means hp loss

picking up resources doesnt really take that long though as long as you have a reason to do it. if i dont have plentiful forage i dont bother.

the time is only worth it if i have an explicit reason

or if its lotuses goddamn i need lotuses

[glossy forge]

it's optimal to gather every resource until you have 1 of each element, but realistically, water isn't doing much because we don't care about having poseidon in the pool for his infusion and 6 is too much for demeter's. zeus' air quality is garbage, aphro's dodge is alright (and i'll save shades if i have aphro in the pool). earth and fire are the most useful (and fastest to gather), which is why I usually dig when i see seeds and mine when i see outcroppings.

an exception is hera's, for which i usually gather every resource i see until i know i'll have enough for her

[frigid ore]

if i find myself next to fish sometimes ill fish solely because i think its funny

if theres a fish in tartarus shop and you dont get it i think your 55 run should be invalid

[frigid ore]

proper upbringing is probably the best argument for taking all resources yeah

[brave dove]

I just like accumulating vast sums of resources so unless I'm really pressed for time I grab basically anything that isn't massively out of the way (fields)

though 32 is a bit lower than everyone else in the convo

[frigid ore]

i know damn well youre running timer three lisa

[brave dove]

yeah which just isn't a real pressure without hordes return and wards in play

[frigid ore]

but yeah resources are fun and i always take them unless im pressed for time or i just dont want to because they have a stupid lame minigame i dont want to do or mel’s legs are tired and i dont wanna walk all the way over there

and i dont pick stuff up on 50 in unfrozen rooms unless i actually want it but in 32 i do

[brave dove]

'unless I actually want it' lotuses huh

[frigid ore]

yeah

i still need a lot of lotuses im on night like 138 and 30 of those nights are deaths in 50f erebus 💀

[dim kelp]

When I came back to the game after a year off, I trusted the thing in the wretched broker recycling view that marks which resources are still “needed” and recycled my lotus stash 😭

[dim kelp]

Yeah, the resource bonus seems especially useful for Hera’s to pad out whichever elements aren’t well-represented in your god pool

[frigid ore]

happens to all of us……

[cosmic steppe]

Are there any arcana builds that run moon?

I imagine none that get divinity, that hurts

[magic moss]

whats moon

[cosmic steppe]

Hex autocharge

[magic moss]

oh yeah i run night which unlocks moon'

[cosmic steppe]

Night is slowdown right?

[magic moss]

its the omega combo crit

slowdown is eternity

[cosmic steppe]

Wait right I keep on forgetting to ask what a combo is

It says about some sort of an icon next to certain moves in the tooltip but I have legit never seen that icon outside of that tooltip

[magic moss]

you need to use unique omegas back to back (eg. ospecial -> oattack)
the icon is the skull next to the channel

[cosmic steppe]

Wait it's perfect for me on selene wth, thats the only weapon where I ever alternate between different omegas

Pan, Artemis, Charon, meli torches and staff I only spam one of them and I legit never use any omegas on Medea, and that's all I play really

[glossy forge]

Do a feedback about buffing night to 20% to make it more viable

[frigid ore]

ive got a clean (lucky) start going for moros here. heroic born gain into room 2 hammer. whirling coil triple comet or clean helix?

[cosmic steppe]

Btw dunno if it's common knowledge, probably is, but it's happened 3 times to me at this point, latest one semi-intentional, if I leave the first zone of the surface with 3 gods in the pool and do a Hermes delivery omw to 2nd zone, sometimes the thing will happen when Hermes delivers 4th gods boon right as youre offered a room with the 5th one (both via keepsake like I did the last time, or without one like how it happened first time), so the limit can be broken without keepsakes potentially

[thin cloud]

The boon pool is 4 gods right? not counting artemis and hermes?

[cosmic steppe]

And Athena and dio, yeah

[frigid ore]

is there anything i want from apollo on coat

[glossy forge]

no

[frigid ore]

damn

[thin cloud]

What is air quality good with?

[glossy forge]

its funny as a meme with arctic gale, prominence flare, demeter sprint, think high tick rate low damage boons. in general, it's absolute garbage if your goal is winning a run

[brave dove]

to be fair the arctic gale variant is totally strong enough to clear up to even pretty decent fear

I think it'd be fine if it had a lower activation threshold, as it is you're quite a few boons deep before you can get 5 air without good luck on shades

[tall notch]

I'm still nostalgic about air quality scorch so I'll shill that

[tall notch]

Tbf it's not that bad, Hermes is potentially free air, you usually want some zeus nowadays, you can get aphro who i believe is an air god

You have sources of elements like narcissus or chaos

[dim kelp]

Aphro does air and water, I think

[tall notch]

Also uh don't certain weapons' attacks (blades/torches) deal low enough damage to actually get boosted by aq?

[dim kelp]

Torches regular attack is 20, but the oattack is 40, so that wouldn’t benefit. Wiki says the specials are 25 a hit, so that would get a small boost

I think the issue is that the benefit is quickly outstripped by anything else that boosts the weapon damage

Because the 30 damage floor is applied last, right? So if you have hammers or percent-damage boons that push those base numbers past 30, air quality doesn’t do anything anymore

And by the time you manage to get air quality online, you’re pretty likely to have surpassed the threshold via other damage boosts

[proper cloak]

What are the primary hestia boons especially good for

Like obviously some weapons want or don't want certain starter boons based on attack speed and range

Hestia seems like it's prob for high firerate/high projectile count but the only immediate one of those that comes to mind is cloak and blade special

And blade attack

[elfin forge]

idk, I don't think it's necessarily high firerate either because the cast can already apply scorch so quickly

[proper cloak]

The cast seems pretty good and the sprint has utility outside of damage

[elfin forge]

like after a certain point, the amount of scorch you inflict doesn't matter anymore, the amount scorch stacks you burn through per second is gonna be capped

so like, 200 scorch and 2000 scorch will deal the same damage per second, (barring a certain Duo)

[brave dove]

let us know when you figure it out

[errant latch]

I'd say wards probably

but on the other hand it's simply budget demeter cause she can delete wards and stall enemies

[dim kelp]

When the sprint actually works. I swear it used to be really consistent, but now it just… doesn’t eat the projectiles a significant amount of the time. So you have to play to not get hit by them anyway, in which case you’d do better to have some other benefit on the sprint

In the early days, I could take soot sprint and literally never hit Eris with my weapon, just sprint around her in circles and eat all her bullets until she died from scorch. It was slow AF but amusing

Maybe there was an intentional change to make that less trivializable, but if so, I don’t get how it works now

[cosmic steppe]

So ive watched like 20hrs of haelians runs and my takeaway is that there're two options, I either rely on poms and keep my pommable boon list nice and clean while prioritizing poms above gold, HP/mp and sidegod boons
or I keep on stockpiling a big bunch of potentially pommable buffing boons with pom rooms lower on my priority list
how do I decide between these two in my runs?

[uneven palm]

I mostly don’t sweat Poms. Try and get 1 or 2 on your main damage but like it’s fine. Especially with the +% boons the gains fall off fast.

I’d say the major exceptions are Blitz (first few Poms are big and later ones are relatively flat and also the Ransoms exist), Poseidon attack/special (pretty flat level scaling), and Heph blasts are Pom-hungry.

[dim kelp]

If you’re building around having a single boon dominate your damage, then focusing on pomming the heck out of it might make sense, but I don’t think that’s gonna be a great default strategy

Weird/niche build strategies are likely overrepresented on YT because the novelty factor is entertaining

[elfin forge]

you can only use Zeus Hera so often before it becomes bad content

[dim kelp]

Aye. And making something bad work at a high challenge level is almost always gonna be interesting

[uneven palm]

Yeah YT stuff is gonna trend towards “I need 15 Poms on this niche dash or else the run is a bust” which is not most runs

[cosmic steppe]

Ty

Would it be too broken if room entrance priming counted towards magick spent for hex?

Priming in general*

[dim kelp]

The point of priming is that you lose access to that magick. Allowing that loss to count as “used” magic for the purpose of hex charging doesn’t fit conceptually, regardless of whether it’s too powerful or not

[cosmic steppe]

Makes sense

Do flexible chance crit sources get benefit from success rate while at their 0?

Ie mutual destruction at 100% HP or than ax at 0

My thought is that they could be coded as both a variable that sometimes equals to 0 and is brought up in the sentence with success rate regardless or as a variable that gets excluded from any interactions while at a 0

[frigid ore]

either way it wouldnt matter because the success rate doesnt add 30% or whatever it adds 30% or whatever of the value. which would be 0, or excluded

[elfin forge]

yeah success rate is tragically multiplicative

if it was additive it'd be sooooooo good

(and more fun 🙂 )

[frigid ore]

if it was additive it would add 30% to that common artemis boon that gives 2% universal crit rate and be a constant no downside antler 💀

[elfin forge]

(yes)

I want to feel like a god of rng

[frigid ore]

WAIT NEVERMIND THAT IT WOULD ADD IT TO RAKI

it probably wouldnt but that made me laugh so im not deleting it in shame

[dim kelp]

Success Rate being multiplicative is the only reasonable way to implement a global probability boost, and it’s pretty damn good as-is

[cosmic steppe]

Wait it is mult, felt too impactful on my 20% chance boons to be that way lmao

So epic sr is just 75% on second lightning on divine vengeance huh

[dim kelp]

It should show up when you hover the impacted boon. It’ll give the probability with success rate and have an extra tooltip explaining that it’s buffed by success rate

[cosmic steppe]

It's not something you can realistically pay attention to at all times but i don't think I've ever seen one mono lightning on divine veng with sr

[cosmic steppe]

Funny how that's the case when the game doesn't do that for dmg numbers

Probability is objectively the less valuable stat to get precise numbers on

[dim kelp]

Yeah, it’s unfortunately inconsistent. Many of the variable-stat boons will roll up whatever scaling bonus, but not all of them

Perhaps they thought the probability was more important to point out because of the common confusion over whether it would be additive or multiplicative

[cosmic steppe]

Game showing buffed boon dmg will also be a decent band-aid for inconsistency of descriptions saying what affects what

[elfin forge]

I feel like the values are too low at low rarities imo

[cosmic steppe]

You see number stay the same, you know it doesn't synergize, you move on

[elfin forge]

30 or 40% is honestly not that big of a boost

[cosmic steppe]

Btw double blood drop chance is just normal chance squared right?

[dim kelp]

I think a probabilistic thing happening a third more often is pretty significant

[elfin forge]

for what, visceral impact?

[cosmic steppe]

Don't both of them give up to two anyways?

[elfin forge]

I'm on the wiki rn, I think it's just visceral

1 is guaranteed, 2nd is chance

For Profuse Bleeding, it's just chance for 1

[cosmic steppe]

Damn the tooltip of the first one is misleading

[elfin forge]

go ahead and feedback it

[cosmic steppe]

Is winners circle a good herm boon to specifically look out for in pan runs with highroll on Poseidon special? In my mind it's unrealistic to need to make multiple flurries with good splash special and being able to reposition it between each o-special really speeds up the room clear

[elfin forge]

I don't think so, winners circle speeds up your cast so you need them more

[rotund violet]

GUYS

i need a guide for arcana

cards

i have 29

if ill play aspect of melione staff

[grizzled tartan]

Whole bottom right reroll corner, strength, origination, artificer/lovers and night

[grizzled tartan]

I cant count, if you have points to spare just throw them in whatever you prefer (sorceress, huntress, wayward son, messenger, or the one that makes enemies move slower while you channel)

[brave dove]

watcha having trouble with the most, do you think? also what's your current fave arcana layout

[simple turret]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1158582565104521269/1383794068500250684/image.png?ex=68501627&is=684ec4a7&hm=0584a4ee25f35de5dca5838a7a0850439d53095346c51c3e59ab3c1b9a206d80&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1178&height=662

pretty good build headed into sirens id say LMAO

oh i forgot to highlight it but also epic rarity back burner

[simple turret]

reroll is bottom left but yes

[grizzled tartan]

Oh right (pun definitely intended)

[cosmic steppe]

Does supernova lock me out of local climate?

[wise idol]

I don’t believe so

The main offenders of locking you out of cast stuff is geyser spout, meat grinder, and prominence flare

[cosmic steppe]

Nah it works with local

My thought was that local shares the slot with other boon side effects like gale, heras "dmg to newcomers" and supernova do between each other and I played it safe refusing to take SN

[night jungle]

i'm seeing onn the leaderboards that the axe of melinoe is regarded to be the best, and while i don't intend to follow that as a guideline i wanna understand the theory behind ?

it feels too clunky so like just dash attack normal attack 1 special attack?

or just dash attack special attack

[timber pawn]

Sorry which leaderboard?

[night jungle]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/

the fear ladder

[timber pawn]

Ah gotcha

[magic moss]

that leaderboard is very arbitrary and imo not really reflective of the high fear meta

[night jungle]

to be honest most of it is underworld so it's not interesting to me, but i was thinking that mel's axe diddn't feel that good that's why i'm asking on the theorycrafting behind that run

[magic moss]

dashing heave

[brave dove]

nimble limbs + seething marauder as well mebbe?

ah, yeah that's what mynt's mel axe run used, though it was a good bit slower

[magic moss]

mel axe is just dashing heave

[night jungle]

ok so if i don't get dashing heave i reset

[magic moss]

sure

[night jungle]

speak of the devil

[cosmic steppe]

Okay but like

Selene's Bathwater with panacea invalidates any skill in progression Typhon fights lmao

I just tanked the tail for 2 secs and did the will Smith rewind time meme

[night jungle]

is thundering rush still viable ?

[solemn loom]

To be clear, it details 55 fear runs only.

[night jungle]

i'm at 50 so like nnot that far off

just less enemies because i default to hordes 0

[solemn loom]

Also it very detailed, you can see core/hammer/duo/etc. Not just list of links.

[night jungle]

yeah it's really nice to have an overview

[solemn loom]

We changed from 50+ to 55 only because 50+ was saturated, but we still managed to have boon/hammers detail for over 200 entries.

There's like +120 unique players recorded having beaten 50 fear. Consider the ones not recorded, will be much higher.

[night jungle]

i'm probably unrecorded for one :P

wish there was some sort of a database that lets us view all raw data of submissions in the same format as the site (main boons, hammers etc) even with minimal formatting

[solemn loom]

Well the sheet takes screenshot, which can include yours.

[night jungle]

mini's sheet? i think i'm on that one

underworld clear tho :( i feel fraudulent

[solemn loom]

I tried what you stated, but lack community engagement. In the end doing everything ourself manually even though have all form/submission setup already.

[magic moss]

the closest thing is my sheet

[solemn loom]

But you don't have boons. lul

[magic moss]

i have core boons at least

[solemn loom]

The idea is for each entry to have that information, which you can sort through them.

[night jungle]

the end screen is fixed so maybe we could whip up a small python script to sort through them automatically by comparing them to stored images of boons

should be fairly straightforward since the boon screen is super clear

[solemn loom]

I actually thought about that, similar to diablo.trade which can read your screenshot and return the values of the image. Which require some level of ML with python.

[night jungle]

no need for ML since the images are fixed and we know exactly where to look for

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/503276646732660746/1383899345862267012/image.png?ex=68507833&is=684f26b3&hm=36187d87d558aeb8ec5ae2a95c1f33c7a36763834b7ee3700b621c75df6f13b2&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=443&height=604

there are some libraries that supposedly look for an image within an image without ML, but supposing they ddon't work for whatever reason you know the first boon (weapon) starts at a certain coordinate of the image and you know that the distance is fixed and you can keep going using exact matches

the only variable is how many columns of boons but you could just set an upper bound and if it doesn't match it doesn't match

[glossy forge]

it wouldn't be a small script, it'd require ml, most likely a cnn for practicality. the issue is that the screenshots are not exactly the same in terms of pixel value and image dimensions (since people play on differently sized screens), nor are the file type identical across all screenshots. this is only solved by ml. imo it wouldn't take too long to code up a decent cnn that would recognize and asssign observed boons to their respective names, but it's not easy nor should we expect anyone to do it

[brave dove]

there's not that many resolutions in common use

[glossy forge]

tldr it's a good idea, and it'd take a bit of time from someone competent to do it

[brave dove]

like yeah if you want it to work for everyone everywhere but if you're only looking to get like, 80% of people I feel that's al ot simpler? I might be missing something though, my background's techie and network support not developer

[glossy forge]

80% is a very optimistic estimate, even if you spend hours writing if then cases. ml is a lot more feasible

different computers will assign different pixel values to the same screenshots of the same boons, and that's assuming pixel dimensions remain constant across all images, which is super unlikely

computers won't go into sgg's code and read the image's pixel values directly for the screenshots, which is why this problem will happen

[night jungle]

i mean we have a determinstic list of aspect ratios , we can anticipate a match over all boons over all aspect ratios (since it's a trivially small set of boons), and for pixel values i was thinnking of going grayscale to mininmize variation

[brave dove]

might be more effective to lobby sgg to give us some kind of json autoprint in the files that people could submit, then

[glossy forge]

that would be optimal, yes

[night jungle]

the most exhausting effort will be storing all possible boons in all aspect ratios but if this idea works it would require a technical level below tuning a cnn

[brave dove]

something to include in the next patch feedback doc mebbe

[glossy forge]

and it would just be a list of every trackable metric that contains the information of everything you see on your victory screen, that's very easy to implement

no need for images

[brave dove]

Yeah, they've already got it stored in that one npc, all we'd need is it being spat out into a standardised json template in the files somewhere

[solemn loom]

instead of making an app reading the boons from screenshot, more realistic will be making an app reading the file's run history.

[brave dove]

which could then be rendered into a fake victory screen on the website end

I say 'we' I'm not a developer don't be tricked I hate coding too much to be good at it 😔

[night jungle]

wait we can export run history?

[glossy forge]

but we'd have to ask runners to download the app and trust it. give me a month, i'll be more free then and i'll code up a neural net and train it on boon images and whatnot to have it spit out the names, and i'll send you the code for you to host on the website if you want

[brave dove]

no but it'd be simple for SGG to implement, probably

so lobbying them to do that is probably a more practical solution than image recognition

then again if you think it'd work inside a month maybe not...?

[glossy forge]

i can't imagine something as uniform as screenshots of a victory screen taking very long to train a good model for, not more than a couple of days of my time at most

[brave dove]

huh alright then

[solemn loom]

I was not referring to any download-related thing. I was saying something like dropping your game files can show all your previous runs with details. Not shareable.

[glossy forge]

oh i get you

i have no idea how to process .sav files, but if you do, that's probably the best solution

[night jungle]

atp a cnn would be less of a hassl

[glossy forge]

"hassl" u nt roald dahl brochacho 💔 hang it up 🥀

[night jungle]

help what is this

i got hit with the newest tiktok trend and i'm nnot zoomer enough to understand

[solemn loom]

Well I have no desire to make that, just wanna saying that would be less difficult than ML for image recognition. lul

[gritty solstice]

can someone help me with an build?

[elfin forge]

well what do you need?

[gritty solstice]

an opinion.

[elfin forge]

opinion: black coat is not that good

real controversial opinions here

[gritty solstice]

I'm using:

Mel Axe.
Frinos as Familiar.
Ares/Zeus Attack
Zeus vengance.
Apollo vengeance.
zeus and ares duo boon.

[glossy forge]

anything works on low fear, this would be great for speedrunning and even high fear underworld, still pretty good on the surface as long as you focus on the blitz to have it pop off for single target boss damage

[elfin forge]

I also don't know where you are, or what you need

just generally, stuff like demeter cast and snow queen, heph gain and mint condition, or hera cast could be stuff that helps you out in terms of CC or defensive stuff

damage wise, this seems fine

[gritty solstice]

i have everything maxed out, every arcana, every passive, every max familiars..

[elfin forge]

oh you aren't mid run?

[gritty solstice]

i just need an opinion on that build i mentioned.

[elfin forge]

I mean the vengeances don't tend to be good so you can just pick different stuff

[glossy forge]

tldr your build is fine for low fear, if your goal is speedrunning or a higher fear it'd be great if you specified your goal time or goal fear

[rotund violet]

aspect of medea build ?

[gritty solstice]

no, just for fun

[gritty solstice]

mel axe with ares zeus duo

[elfin forge]

well I don't know what builds are fun, I just know what's good lol

[gritty solstice]

k!!!!

[glossy forge]

your build is great for fun, heinious affront is one of the most fun boons in the game! and it's a strong build

[rotund violet]

?

[elfin forge]

like I could say "this is a lot of opportunity cost" but hey that's not a big deal

[gritty solstice]

ok, thanks

[vast parrot]

lads and ladesses, what are some of your best builds to do a 32 level fear run

[elfin forge]

Medea Aspect, Zeus special, and a good attack like Aphro or Ares.
Use the standard arcana setup with Strength and Origination.

easy and very powerful

[brave dove]

zeus attack trick knives, fill everything else with whatever you think is cool though heinous affront is technically the best, any high multiplier god (not aphro) on special is good

[wintry ore]

are there any tips for playing prometheus w/ frenzy without getting obliterated during the simon says portion or do you just have to pray for an easy pattern

[glossy forge]

If you truly cannot remember the pattern or write it down, it might be easier for you to just dash through the flames. The timing is incredibly easy.

[grizzled tartan]

Not enough time to get from one side to the other

[wintry ore]

yeah exactly, it's not a matter of being unable to remember the pattern, i just struggle to get from the top to the bottom when the flames are 20%/40% faster, even when i'm at the smaller end of the arena to save time

[glossy forge]

I see, you just have to dash -> sprint as soon as the fire wave passes. Dash one more time to get into the safe lane and you’ll 100% make it

[wintry ore]

ty, i'll have to practice that!

[eager ivy]

what are yall's fav staff builds? I've been trying to clear with an omega special spam build but kinda struggling now that I have 2x frenzy

[cobalt lagoon]

momus, apollo attack, get lucky with hammers and grab cross cataclysm, profit

apollo legendary optional

[sly plaza]

@bleak night I feel like I’m really out of practice with Axe rn. I can’t even crack 20 fear on the surface consistently anymore. Any particular things I should be going for? I’m using the Aphro gain and attack setup with Poseidon for island getaway on Than Axe and more HP due to the infusion on a Strength arcana setup rn but I can’t help but feel like it’s a bit outdated

[bleak night]

Wait why do you need Island Getaway for Than

[sly plaza]

Wait I’m an idiot

Naaaah I’m being silly. Thanks for your time 😂

I forgot for a second that the close range prerequisite isn’t needed

[bleak night]

Use Dem instead for survivability and stuff yeah

[sly plaza]

🤌🤌🤌

God my brain is melted. No wonder I’m doing bad. I’m building this thing like it’s a dagger build 😭

[dim kelp]

Does Island Getaway give you damage resistance against everything? It says it’s against “nearby foes” but also makes aphro boons treat every foe as nearby, so it seems like it would, but that seems like a needlessly roundabout way of expressing it

[tall notch]

Omg hi mynt

[manic harbor]

Can anyone give me a decent build to use for clearing a run on the surface? I got to the last part twice, but am always out of death defiances by then. I've been going with sister blades, Hestia attack, Aphrodite special, Poseidon cast, Aphrodite gain, and the duo boons from PoseidonxAphrodite and HestiaxAphrodite. I've been trying to get the Hestia legendary boon too, since there's so much fire, but that's proving rather difficult to do.

[cobalt lagoon]

stop using death defiances and switch to strength tbh

poseidon special on sister blades (esp if you have aspect of pan) is good

[manic harbor]

Oh, i didn't pay enough attention to Aspect of Pan. Seems pretty similar the Chiron from the first game, which was pretty good. Don't know how I missed that before. That might help quite a bit. Thank you

[manic harbor]

Hold on, does the effect of Incandescent Aura apply to the magick regen from the arcana The Unseen?

[gritty solstice]

someone has a build on Killer Current?

[cosmic steppe]

Three hammers didn't give me double staff special so I just pivoted into Apollo legendary starting off 3rd region, had 3 gods prior to him, never punished

[cosmic steppe]

Given that 80%+ of lightning damages weight is pulled by blitz all of those builds will prolly be a worse version of romantic spark builds

Esp given how Aphro has 2 innate damage boosts vs Poseidon's slip

Now that I think about it, you can somewhat compensate for that with high rarity hydraulic might and sufficient room clears, can't imagine that being enough in 3 reinforcement waves rooms tho

[sly plaza]

Yeah Killer Current can definitely be fine I feel. But it’s mostly due to how absolutely insane Blitz can get even with like the slightest synergy

[loud terrace]

Hostile enviroment isn't compatable with the aspect of charon is it?

[wintry ore]

what special do yall like to use for artemis blades?

[elfin forge]

interesting question

maybe like, ares?

mostly for grievous blow and origination

[wintry ore]

i hardly ever use the special when i'm playing aspect of artemis so i like using hephaestus bc i get the blast effect every time but i'm wondering if there's better options

[elfin forge]

yeah probably fire and forget gods

stuff like Ares, Demeter, or Zeus

[rich belfry]

hey guys . so whats the build for aspect of pan ????

[loud terrace]

super nova is a must for that aspect

[rich belfry]

hmmmm so apollo boons . specials ? idk whos best with to do dues boons and stuff

i guess i will try it out with zeus

[loud terrace]

Apollo is is better for the staff

and the aspect of persehpone

[atomic ibex]

Best special boon is Poseidon by far. You want things to strengthen you waves, such as Poseidon Legendary, Ares Duo, and Extended Family. Also, omega channel speed buffs help

[brave dove]

ares or hera if I've got zeus on attack, zeus if I'm using a different attack

[clever trail]

Hello i was wondering how the blitz work when you have the zeus attack, yesterday i was playing with descura and sometime my blitz was doing 180 damage and in another time i was making 500 damage ( in the same fight ) . Is this because we can stack mutiple blitz before we procc it ?

[willow phoenix]

No, Blitz doesn't stack. Most likely a crit imo. Blitz damage is only affected by certain blitz related boons, crit, global damage modifiers, and Olympian damage modifiers which can be found for example in the Origination Arcana and boons like Ares' Rallying Cry. Oh Ares Grievous Blow too

[brave dove]

global damage buffs - furies, origination and strength all buff it just from your arcana

crit is another possibility if you had pressure points, white antler or raki

and then there's blitz specific damage buffs like romantic spark and arc flash

[cosmic steppe]

Blitz is also affected by killer current and double strike, and doublestrike procs actually show one big number instead of two regular ones

[dim kelp]

Was it 500 or 540? Crit is 3X, so if the base is 180 and you have some source of global crit, you’d get occasional 540s. Did you maybe have Raki with you? Or did you have a boon from Artemis?

There are other inconsistent damage boosts, but I can’t think of a way that you’d get to exactly 500 from 180. The damage multipliers are generally “nice” numbers, like multiples of 10%

Raki seems like the easiest crit source to forget about, since you can bring him without actively choosing him on a specific run

[clever trail]

i putted the screen in #h2-victory-boasting i think i got heaven strike lv1 most of the run

[wise idol]

It was probably romantic spark with some other bonuses added on

Since romantic spark can be inconsistent

[manic harbor]

Is there any build that uses Breaker Rush as a significant/main damage boon? It feels like it could be powerful if combined with some other effects.

[cosmic steppe]

If it's Poseidon sprint then you're out of luck, it doesn't proc slip or get buffed by his legendary, only Olympian dmg and universal boosts work

If you wish to avoid using anything but it, highly recommend getting decent high surf to make up for the missing splash synergies

[manic harbor]

Well, I almost beat the third surface boss using something I slapped together using it, so it has potential at least. Lol

[magic moss]

LAST CALL FOR WARSONG PATCH 50 FEAR CLEARS. You have 24 hours until I stopp accepting submissions for the Warsong Patch

FOR THE SHEET, CURRENT MAX FEAR WITHOUT VOID IS 62. THEREFORE, SUBMISSIONS WILL CURRENTLY BE SET AT 62 FEAR

[gritty solstice]

Bro

how is the black coat damage?

how many it has increased?

[rich belfry]

Shhwhqhqh
WE HAVE AN UPDATE AHHHHHH

[cosmic steppe]

The flark u mean

[sly plaza]

@bleak night NEW AXE!

[half shard]

NOOOOO MY HESTIA DASH BOON

[slate trench]

new circe is insane

[graceful iris]

Fire Away (Hestia): new Legendary! Your Casts destroy many foes' ranged shots and inflict Scorch

getting a legendary boon by the end of rift of thessaly seems like a tall order

[carmine ginkgo]

I just unlocked this a minute ago. Gonna try the chaos trial for it but just smacking schelemeus, this aspect looks fuuuuuun

(Aspect of BONK)

[inland bobcat]

Anyone know the unlock requirements for the hidden aspects?

[carmine ginkgo]

So far I have two: ||Medea|| for the skull and ||Charon|| for the axe. Mostly have maxed out hearts with them (up until what this patch allowed)

[brave dove]

||excellence now massively boosts the chance of a legendary||

[carmine ginkgo]

Also just found sister blades: ||Artemis while on a run||

[trim shoal]

I liked old mel staff for that one specific Poseidon/Apollo Ocast build but i understand it was just another Omega based staff but its kinda sad to see my bomb machine gun go

[arctic pewter]

how do we unlock the new weapon upgrades?

[half umbra]

Unlocked the black coat aspect

looks like it hits like a truck

[inner frigate]

hello is there a doc a website or something to haves builds ?

[analog ether]

New axe seems... Interesting.

[slate trench]

new dash boon from dad is so good

[signal geode]

Whats better origination or the new excellence?

[analog ether]

Too soon to tell still.

Though I would still wager origination.

Sheesh. Vow of Rivals is no joke.

[dusty hill]

hello, i wanted to ask how to get the vow of rivals

it doesn't appear to me in my oath

[analog ether]

I don't know if there's any other requirements, but Hecate gives it to you after you defeat her.

[dusty hill]

oh, that must be it, I haven't done an underground run after the patch

[analog ether]

Doing my first attempt at a surface run with it.

||The Polyphemus fight has Medea join in with a ton of poison effects, and it drains your health fast.||

[dusty hill]

I wouldn't have imagined that

||I take it shes doing it for the lols?, since I thought she was supposed to be on our side||

I just beat a surface run with small fear meter to check the changes

[analog ether]

||According to her, Hecate has assigned Medea to test us the same way that she does in an underworld run. And also taking the time to test some new poisons while she's at it.||

[weak hamlet]

You can cure her poisons using the little glowing bathtubs from Hades 1...the stuff you drink.

[fringe lichen]

If Circe staff casts overlap does the damage stack? What's the best cast for this build

Ok I just checked it does stack

[dusty hill]

im gonna upload pic in #h2-victory-boasting, could someone tell me what that icon is?, i just noticed it

[gloomy shuttle]

it is from the aspect you are using

some charge up a special effect @dusty hill

[urban apex]

anubis

what boon to use ?

[dusty hill]

I see now, thanks

[gloomy shuttle]

🫡

[analog ether]

Nergal is definitely the slowest and hardest hitting of the axes.

It's also weirdly floaty.

Like, if you do a normal attack while moving (not dashing, just moving), it actually carries you forward quite a distance.

[urban apex]

ok so i found a build that works for anubis

apollo attack and zeus special, try to get the omega attack trigger and spam special on enemy melts bosses too

[analog ether]

Sadly (or not so sadly), Fine Line Torches are kinda gone.

Or at the very least it's going to be nowhere near as ridiculous as it was before.

[analog ether]

The Hecate Rival Vow fight is fun.

||The arena is a lot bigger with a bunch of pillars, and she always has at least two clones. At least in this one, she popped out the Dark Side hex, and on the second phase change her Twilight Curse has multiple projectiles.||

[manic harbor]

Which effect is used for minimum damage if you get both Air Quality and the new Dio damage boon? Or are they mutually exclusive?

Wondering if I could make that 5.55 into 50 instead. Chances are you can't have both active, but I'm curious

[pliant pier]

Guys I just got killed by my own summon against the new Summit miniboss. I summoned the big eye orb after killing it, and it nuked me to nothing in less than a second

[pulsar merlin]

Hostile Environment and the Staff of Circe probably goes crazy with a full cast build, just got it and it does make both casts follow me around it seems

[proper cedar]

Anyone can get the aspect of supay working?

[analog ether]

It's definitely a weird one.

And sometimes breaks the game.

[last cape]

Speaking of which, how does Furious Blaze work on Aspect of Supay?

[full cloak]

How are opinions on the new aspects?

[analog ether]

Too early to tell still.

[last cape]

So far, I like them. Favorite I've tried is probably aspect of nergal, that one is crazy. Least favorite was aspect of shiva but I still think it's good, just slightly clunky due to weird timings on it's moveset

Playing aspect of supay and it just shredded EM2 Scylla like nothing else could have

[stuck ridge]

Im ngl so far I hate that aspect

idk if im jus not understanding ball or what

[last cape]

Well it pays to have a really good dash boon. I'm using a heroic thunder dash

[stuck ridge]

whats making the attacks fly out? Is it on a timer like no matter what or is it only when dashing

bc sometimes I swear I dont even see em goin

[last cape]

It's on a timer. When you omega they constantly fire for a while, so if you need more oomph and more consistent status application from your attack, use the omega. But it seems like most of your damage is gonna be coming from the specials and the dash boon

[stuck ridge]

mhm

ima try again in a lil bit maybe, jus felt weird

[analog ether]

It's a weird one to get used to because you're doing a lot less than you normally are.

[stuck ridge]

thats prolly it

[analog ether]

But yes, for my first run with it, it seems to be a boss shredder.

Definitely want a good Gain for it though.

Hell, it's a shredder in general.

[last cape]

Yeah I just won a run with it, quadruple hammer run btw, thanks echo. The new weapons all seem really strong so far

[proper cedar]

Pro tip for the trial of ||daemon (supay chaos trial)|| use the ghost onion to heal

[proper cedar]

Basically auto attack and special, omega attack is also automatic targeting, the omega special is just a 4 orb ver of the regular, omega moves make your rush stronger

I dont know how to play it feels off

Its supay weird overall (ik im hilarious)

[analog ether]

It's almost custom made to be an AFK weapon.

I will say, I LOVE the new Godsent Hexes so far. Only been able to use Zeus and Hestia's so far, but it's been fun.

[elfin lily]

Hera's godsent actually makes the summon enemy hex kinda worth considering now.

And I just shredded typhon with Aphrodite's hex. Getting heartbreak while in dark mode is wild.

[harsh blade]

okay so why should i ever pick melinoe aspect over moros for torches?

[round quartz]

I only had time for 1 run and got Hestia's and it was awesome
Loved it
And Hestia scorch buff makes me very happy

[analog ether]

Oh, joy.

||Eris gets the Lucifer Aspect for the Adamant Rail. And it's a tiny arena with no pillars.||

[tough pasture]

"FRIENDS, WE ARE SO BACK!"

/just saw the news...

[atomic ibex]

How do we feel about Shiva?

[analog ether]

Only used it once, but definitely feels like a late-run weapon.

[viral crane]

So aspect of nergal is cracked, right?

I'm not overreacting?

[steady tartan]

i havent had a good run with it so far but i think that might just be a skill issue on my part ngl

so, what are we thinking of the new aspects? any builds that seem interesting so far? i like the new torches and daggers more than i thought i would tbh

[analog ether]

Still working on unlocking all of them, but so far, I liked the new Torches. Axe and Coat, need some more time with them.

[carmine ginkgo]

I am totally not understanding how Shiva works

Ah, figured it out! ...and if that's how it works and not just because of the chaos run, it feels very awkard to use

[elfin lily]

Honestly I just ran the new circe staff with a pet and double casting with someone like apollo is just nutty.

[subtle crater]

Do I have to have all aspects unlocked to get the new aspect, and do i need to use said weapon? Also, who gives what.

[elfin forge]

Staff: circe, Blades: artemis, Skull: Medea, Axe: Charon, Torches: Moros, Coat: Selene

you need to keep talking to them, you don't need the weapon equipped, and you need to have invested some nightmare into the respective weapon. Other than that, I'm not sure about the reqs

[subtle crater]

I can really use any weapon? Good.

[elfin forge]

I mean this is all just hearsay, but yeah I think so

[analog ether]

Can confirm, you don't need to be currently wielding the weapon while speaking to them.

[magic moss]

im very sad with the staff changes tbh

they made the staff less interesting and more boring imo

[subtle crater]

What they change?

Didn't use it much back then, and still don't to be honest

[teal cairn]

Might I ask for some advice on how to properly use the staff's hidden aspect? I'm having trouble figuring out what does the omega attack do

[barren marsh]

I think the omega attack just lays down another trap like the regular attack

just a stronger one

[teal cairn]

Why does it have something that looks like a barrier?

It's such a weird hitbox if it doesn't have any defensive properties

I've tried pulling enemies into it, but it doesn't seem to do anything

[barren marsh]

I think anubis really needs buffs

[elfin forge]

ty

[teal cairn]

Yeah, got destroyed by Extreme Measures 2 at underworld

[full cloak]

What Morrigan builds do y'all like rn?

[tropic needle]

whats the EM for prometheus?

[elfin forge]

Heracles

[tropic needle]

sweet

do cronos and typhon have one yet?

[analog ether]

Cerberus EM is insane.

[elfin forge]

yes

[analog ether]

||The arena starts off as this little island in a lava lake. He's molten, can scatter fire balls around him, can block frontal attacks and throw fire waves behind him. The big AOE's that he does? Only slightly smaller than the island you're on. Minion phase is a bunch of bomb skeletons from Asphodel. Phase three, you get access to a ring island but he's almost constantly dashing around and shedding fireballs, and his fire stream is tripled.||

Our poor pupper is pissed.

[ashen timber]

Ok, this freaking cyclops has been the bane of my existence since I unlocked the surface months ago... And the only times I've had success against him is when either I tear him down with a high-burst damage build, or I have a high defense with Heph's help. What am I doing wrong here. Even at low Fear, he eats through my DD's and continues to be a pain in my rear. What am I doing wrong here?

I usually can just rush in, and kill before they kill me. And none of the underworld bosses give me this issue, though maybe its because I've had more practice with them (no surprise there)

[elfin forge]

Regular polyphemus? Watch him carefully for when he's about to grab. When he raises his ear, probably don't attack. Generally stand behind him, and get ready to dash out for stomps.

When he's slow walking and summoning zombies, try to poke at him with ranged damage

[ashen timber]

And what about his jumps? It took me a while to realize those can actually hurt you, but even since, when you're in his face trying to tear him down, it's so hard to avoid...

[analog ether]

That's partially why you don't want to be in his face.

The hitbox on the jump is a little wonky, so sometimes you just end up eating a knee to the face.

[ashen timber]

So Poly is a boss I just wanna poke-to-death?

And keep my distance pretty much at all times?

[analog ether]

Kind of? It's more of a dance. A lot of his moves are pretty reasonably telegraphed, and he's open a pretty decent amount of time between attacks.

[elfin forge]

his jumps do kind of jumpscare you ngl

but Poly is a boss I've kind of accepted that I'm gonna hit trade with lol

[analog ether]

Or, yeah, keep your distance and whittle him down from range.

[elfin forge]

I'm not gonna do him clean

[steady tartan]

i had some fun with zeus attack and poseidon special

[ashen timber]

death-by-chip-damage is a strat that i wouldn't think plays well with the timer constraint that I've been playing with a lot, but I really don't know what else to do...

[analog ether]

I mean, if you're playing with the timer vow? I guess you learn how to dance 😊

[lethal rune]

how do people build melinoe torches wanna try and get into them but never meshed with it

[elfin forge]

maybe just watch some videos of high fear clears? they probably know what's going on

[analog ether]

There aren't really any builds right now. Mel Torches got reworked.

[lethal rune]

might just leave them then, there was something about the old omega attack that felt nice but since thats not there ill wait till the theory crafters get at it

[ashen timber]

I usually go Pain-2, Grit-2, Frenzy-2, Fangs-2, Debt-1, and Time 2 for a total of 20 Fear, and I've cleared the Underworld under those contraints (multiple times). I could drop Debt and Time to bring it down to 16, to test the chip-damage strat, but that feels wrong.

[elfin forge]

out of these I think Grit 2 is the most questionable. More health makes things a LOT harder.
I would probably pick up some other vows, like Shadow and Return. They really aren't that bad.

[ashen timber]

I've tried Shadow before, and yeah its not the worst. I'll swap it in, and drop Time/Debt still while I practice cyclops-hunting... The surface still has so much I havent done, and 5/6 of my Nightmare targets are Prometheus (the 6th is Poly, lol), so I've gotta get this down-pat eventually...

[spring comet]

I don’t think I like Aspect of Shiva very much.

The omega special cost is 45, so that means that max level destructive will require 270MP, right?

And the wait time on having that ball rise and fall is so long that you’re more likely to take damage than you are absorb the blast.

idk maybe I haven’t gotten the rhythm of it right yet, but after two runs with it, idk if I even want to finish a run with it

[broken pasture]

Anyone have an idea for nergal build?

[mental sluice]

Had a pretty solid run with Aphro on the special and the double omega special hammer.

[broken pasture]

Alr thanks

[ashen timber]

That was probably the cleanest Poly I've had in a while (and I still almost died). I decided to try a Circe Cast build, and that worked beautifully

Burst damage at a distance

[elfin forge]

ooh yeah ranged omega cast sounds good

especially since now you can combo omega cast boons from Poseidon, Ares, and Apollo

[ashen timber]

That still feels wrong, having built with Poly in mind. Should I be trying to get better at fighting him normally?

[elfin forge]

I mean probably?

Again, I would probably watch some gameplay of your aspect to see how others do that fight

[robust bone]

did you ever get answer to that, i just noticed it now after not playing for a long while

[ashen timber]

I went Hestia Cast, with Demeter Gale and Ares' Meat Grinder. Also got Apollo in the pool for extra Cast area later.

[elfin forge]

not me

[magic moss]

???????????????????/ i sent that last YEAR

[elfin forge]

lollll

[robust bone]

yes and you are the only person i can find in WHOLE SERVER who has same issue as me

[magic moss]

its god mode, the game tracks the stats differently

[robust bone]

thats odd since i never turned it on
huh.
But yeah basically i remember doing quite a few fear runs before but now it all got reset to 1 after one of updates but i guess that just means free nightmares?

[granite sierra]

is anyone else feel like vow of rivals polyphemus is a bit overtuned or am i just having a skill issue

[elfin forge]

I mean same but also I've only capped at 32 fear so idk

[granite sierra]

my highest surface run was 16
but it really just feels like medea covers the entire floor in poison and makes it impossible to move sometimes.

[analog ether]

Dang. First attempt at Prometheus Rival and got so close.

[granite sierra]

is strength still better for the surface or is it closer with death arcana now

[indigo quest]

a good trick i found was hugging the edges of the map to make her shots more predictable and then just dodging if shes even on top of you, and then hit polyphemus at a distance

[indigo quest]

still a bit better because of the damage buff it has, its clearly worse on the underground now because of the instakills

[glad belfry]

Hellow lil beo

[summer root]

I think she likes to do a star pattern

I almost got Chronos on my second attempt I'm just going to bang my head against a wall on the surface instead since I haven't seen Typhon's yet. Anyone got any recommendations for Aspect of Nerg?

[stable herald]

Aspect of Hel skull feels insanely strong

[granite sierra]

nerg with a blood drops build is pretty fun, especially since mortal gain got replaced by grisly gain which is way better (especially if you get the legendary)

[summer root]

Yeah but Ares attack feels kinda weak

[ember frigate]

just curious, how good is aspect of ||shiva?|| (black coat)

[granite sierra]

you dont have to put ares on the attack. could go with aphro attack if you want to see big numbers

[summer root]

Big numbers... 🤤

[granite sierra]

rivals eris summons the mini hellifish as adds
this is cruel

[stable herald]

Hestia buffs are amazing

[summer root]

She also summons those gah dang pufferfish AGH

[granite sierra]

its amazing how they keep making the goddess of strife have even more unfair crap to make me tilt

[summer root]

It balances out since she doesn't have her own aspect.

Which I find extremely hilarious that Eris isn't using the aspect of Eris.