#h2-builds-and-combat

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magic moss
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I would join the speedcord for specific speedrunning tips, but the general build for medea speedrunning is zeus special + any strong % atk boon with some kind of origination activation in your build

vernal moat
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amazing, thank you

cold raven
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You could go ares attack and get divine vengeance for the duo boon (throw some poms on divine vengeance once the duo is active). For 3rd god, you could go aphrodite for romantic spark, but note it doesnt work against typhon as far as I know (maaaybe when zeus downs him?). Whether you go for aphrodite cast, dash, or magick regen, doesnt matter that much. They're all good. I think people might run heph mostly for invuln and potentially for earth element for both ares and heph infusions. If you're willing to go spicy, you could run hera and pray for a king's ransom (in the underworld, you want that ready before Echo so you can further Pom Pom Pom it)

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For hermes, go hard on success rate if you can

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Whether you go ares attack and zeus special or swap them around, it probably doesnt matter thaaaaaat much in the grand scheme of things. You're gonna nuke everything once the build comes along regardless

last cape
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Am I crazy for preferring Mel axe over Than these days?

silent crow
azure spruce
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hey quick Q sorry to barge in - are there rarer boons on skull level encounters?

charred lintel
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yes

calm plover
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Just started using Persephone skull - am I correct that the blue sigil by the hp bar is not for serenity but for how long your omega special lasts?

charred lintel
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yes

azure spruce
uneven palm
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You can O special with a partial gauge, and unusually any charge carries over between locations

zenith wigeon
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I finally got a lock on with surface runs because i switched to strength tarot and completely dropped death defiances. However, I havent had a sub 20 run yet cause of how slow i can get on the mountain. Anyone got any tips how I can cut time?

uneven palm
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Pause when making any decisions when the clock's running (like choosing between doors). Other than that most of it is just getting very strong builds online so you can stomp through things

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I can offer some build suggestions if you've got an aspect you prefer

forest hinge
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do Mel knives' backstab bonus work with olympian effects? or just anything besides the default moveset?

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also for Mel Axe is it pref to go for Pos-infusion boon and then Aphro/Dem duo?

uneven palm
uneven palm
forest hinge
uneven palm
forest hinge
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is Excellence arcana worth running?

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I've got Epic and Duo running, i feel like i might be missing out on so much power by only having access to Commons or the ocassional Rare during runs

zenith wigeon
night lagoon
forest hinge
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has anyone tried a Mirror Thrasher Staff w/Hestia/Hera duo build? w/Hestia Gain

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just constantly spending & regening mana, which also deals dmg lol

magic moss
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its really mid ngl combared to the power of other duos

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adds ~60-80 damage per attack combo in a close radius

forest hinge
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aww boooo

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Hestia stays losing as worst god across both Hades games

sage flame
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extra impressive given she aint even in the first one

spare kite
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Freezer burn still gives her a saving grace over h1 dem ngl

rigid fiber
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Pyro technique+burning desire+glamour gain+island getaway to build up a ton of scorch and explode it with freezer burn, might be interesting to do with pan scorch specials and demeter attack to proc freezer burn more intentionally than on accident with cast often

rigid fiber
woven niche
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now i'm not sure whether blitz or poseidon does more with that hammer, but scorch is definitely a monstrosity w it

jovial schooner
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fwiw my first clear was stacking all the hestia onto Melinoe torches.

atomic ibex
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Is meat grinder affected by local climate?

atomic ibex
fair horizon
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Empty Inside is a meh/nothing boon which still help getting a legendary and increased your HP pool on average (enemies less likely to hit you while not weakened).

The boons I'd consider bad in H1 would be meh/nothing duos (for the effort) and hammers which focused on "flawed" mechanics that you rarely want to focus on (e.g., hammers to do with the buggy shield special's bouncing, or with focusing on non-GY spear's base special). Example, "bad" duos for being meh:

  • Athena/Poseidon's, 10% dmg resist against bosses only (being unstunnable can be nice though)
  • Ares/Aphrodite, your doom hits continuously but halving each time
  • Athena/Demeter (situational), heal while having no DD/SD
  • Athena/Dionysus, slower projectiles (could've been a Hermes regular boon in hindsight, heh)
  • Poseidon/Aphrodite, +1 lvl per Pom, situational
  • Poseidon/Dionysus, regular boons are always Epic rarity, situational

the bad with the situational ones is that they offer zero benefit outside the niche despite the increased rarity/effort to get them. I guess Dionysus' After Party and Positive Outlook could be considered also bad for not building anything (duos/legendary) and being kinda forgettable.

jovial schooner
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So i've beaten Chronos once and made it just past Prometheus on the surface and i seem to be stuck. I just don't know what builds to try and go for. the one sole victory was Mel daggers with Zeus on primary and Demeter cast.

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I've tried the cloak but i feel like i'm just playing it like a worse daggers and not using its unique aspects. the axe is a bit slow and aiming the Staff abilities is tough.

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torches are fun with a good primary like Hestia but it relies on staying at range and you need to invest quite heavily into Magick.

uneven palm
bleak night
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the Circe thing just removed the Denial/Forsaking vow so it wasn't useful in any way aside from being a skiproom

uneven palm
uneven palm
bleak night
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idk how I won this

uneven palm
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Armored bronzebeaks on the board is relatable

atomic ibex
bleak night
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yeah

atomic ibex
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Ah that explains it

surreal hazel
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All of those cones are

night lagoon
atomic ibex
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Oh, then meat grinder isn't as bad as I thought. I thought it was significantly inferior to Geyser Spout, but in that case, they're roughly in the same tier

night lagoon
spare kite
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Iirc no

junior trail
atomic ibex
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So it does not get it's damage increased by local Climate?

bleak night
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thinking of putting this into feedback

junior trail
atomic ibex
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Damn, so meat grinder sucks then

night lagoon
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So Meat Grinder, despite being an Omega cast effect, doesn't actually count as Omega cast damage? That sounds like an F10 moment

spare kite
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Is like prominence flare, is after your O.cast explodes

junior trail
bleak night
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I wish Meat Grinder applied Static Shock

spare kite
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Lmao?

bleak night
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yes

timber pawn
fair horizon
thin ridge
spare kite
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Correct, that's what strike(s) means

polar ravine
fair horizon
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you are only starting to hate it? hahahehe 🥲

polar ravine
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i mean when it freezes me and a enemy attacks me through the timestop fields for multiple hits or hits me with the burning barrel

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which brings me from nearly full to almost dead or just flat out kills me my dislike of the effect grows

cold raven
thin ridge
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Than axe gameplay 🔥

plush vapor
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truth

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just got a +80% atk speed thanatos axe with 60% crit chance

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utterly insane

thin ridge
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Psychic whirlwind🤑

tall notch
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Mel axe? More like aspect of dashing heave

tidal hinge
# atomic ibex Damn, so meat grinder sucks then

little late but I'd argue meat grinder isn't terrible, better than p flare for sure. p flare is so slow since you cant cast again till it's done, meat grinder doesn't do that, add winners circle, some olympian damage like rallying cry, it'll cook

bleak night
bleak night
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trimming software just borks the audio ig

civic salmon
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if you use aspect of charon + solar ring, does the full damage of solar ring apply?

bleak night
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it's like 2nd or 3rd best option for Charon

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Dem is best and Aphro is equally good

civic salmon
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i'm just so bored of arctic ring lol

late lantern
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Have people tried Incandescent Aura with Born Gain, sounds like a meme build

bleak night
bleak night
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I kinda wish Hestia had an Omega attack based fireball build so we can do that instead of Fine Line idk

stable herald
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Wait does Aura damage scale with magic restored? I thought it was better with faster magic gains like Cardio Gain

bleak night
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it does yeah

late lantern
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I guess if you got Medea's mana boon it would be really funny

bleak night
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realistically, best use for Incandescent Aura is Fine Line Torches with Tough Gain because you just never run out

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Brave Face as well

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Revenge Builds will use Incandescent

stable herald
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Would be really funny if Heinous Affront applied to Tough Gain. It is an effect that procs when you take damage.

bleak night
stable herald
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idk why they even removed the "revenge" vocabulary for on-hit boons. But I may throw this to feedback because it sounds kind of awesome if Heinous Affront worked for those

bleak night
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Needs to have its own category again, yeah

junior trail
glossy rivet
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how good is ares attack for artemis daggers? should i still go for aphro or apollo instead

fair horizon
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better with grievous blow [than without naturally]

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also the one that gives extra chance if you've got lots of HP and don't mind losing a lot

magic moss
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how big of a sample size do you need before deciding on what the "best" core boons are

fair horizon
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but apollo and aphro are more consistent and you can put ares on special and still benefit from grievous blow + mutual destruction

fair horizon
magic moss
fair horizon
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ah, cross-talking going on, sorry

magic moss
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for example, arctic ring has been taken in 46% of all 50+ fear clears, so its like obvious that its incredibly strong compared to the other cast boons

fair horizon
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a problem is to account for rarity and pom level

magic moss
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but like at what sample size does it become a consideration of being regarded as one of the "best" core boons

fair horizon
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and also for support boons like wc

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and also there's the problem of actually tracking failed 50+F runs (and fail under what circumstances?)

stable herald
magic moss
fair horizon
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there would be too much normalization to be done, imo, you do need to at least normalize on failed runs I think

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because you hear hera attack than axe is good for 50f and run that and what do you see after a few tries a new 50f clear (how many tries? how consistent?)

stable herald
magic moss
stable herald
magic moss
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i mean i made a writeup for olympic patch data if you want to give that a read

stable herald
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I would! Link?

magic moss
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actually it was at 1000 clears logged but the olympic patch ended when i had 1004 logged so close enough

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I now officially have 1,000 50+ Fear Clears Logged! MelGrin YAY

There have been 947 UW clears, and 53 Surface 50+ Fear clears.

Here are some stats I've collected over the past 5 months of 50 fear runs!

The Fastest 50 Fear Clear is a 9:02.49 by Foolish using Moros, and the Slowest Clear was by yours truly with a 22:48.56 using Thanatos (That is 840 overtime damage!)

The top 5 most picked core boons are...

  1. Sworn Strike 497
  2. Arctic Ring 356
  3. Heaven Flourish 225
  4. Storm Ring 220
  5. Blinding Sprint 183

The top 5 least picked core boons are...

  1. Volcanic Strike 8
  2. Tidal Ring 10
  3. Nexus Sprint 13
  4. Stamp Rush 14
  5. Breaker Sprint 15

The top 5 aspects with the most number of clears are...

  1. Thanatos 111
  2. Moros 73
  3. Mel Coat 71
  4. Medea 65
  5. Momus 64

The top 5 aspects with the least number of clears are...

  1. Perspehone 32
  2. Charon 39
  3. Eos 40
  4. Mel Torches 41
  5. Mel Skulls 41

There were 113 clears using at least 1 level of the Vow of Void, with 70 of those clears being at 51 Fear and higher. To no ones surprise, Titan and Strength were the 2 most picked Arcana to use with Judgement runs, being picked 96 and 91 times respectively.

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Strength has a whole rose to great prominence in the Olympic Patch with its rework, being part of 769 total clears!

The Olympic Patch also introduced Athena, which has been an absolute gamechanger. Out of the 1,000 clears, Athena has shown up in 791 clears. Factoring in the 53 surface clears that allow for Athena's natural spawn, that means Athena's keepsake Gorgon's Amulet has been used 738 times! Here are the stats for the 6 Athena Boons picked.

  1. Mental Block 504
  2. Divine Dash 174
  3. Stalwart Stand 77
  4. Renewed Faith 54
  5. Phalanx Shot 2
  6. Defensive Posture 2

Patch 4 had a final total of 490 clears, so lets compare some stats to there.

Poseidon had an insane rise in the Olympic Patch, where his pickrate skyrocketed from a 12.86% in Patch 4 to a 27.10% in the Olympic Patch.

Hephaestus on the other hand had a drop in pick rate due to the removal of suffering, but the value of armor (especially Trusty Shield) increasing with the new Strength arcana meant his drop wasn't as significant. He went from a whopping** 86.33% (!) pick rate** in Patch 4 (Higher than Athena!) to a 69.50% in the Olympic Patch.

Judgement being allowed for Void runs has definitely made 51-53 Fear clears significantly easier, with me having recorded a total of 102 51+ Fear clears compared to just 7 from patches 2-4. There have been 16 (!) 55 Fear Clears in the Olympic Patch alone.

stable herald
urban helm
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god i suck at both the ||Prometheus|| and ||Chronos|| fight...

anyone got tips for both?

sage flame
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almost 2k total logged is crazy

magic moss
sage flame
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im proud to be ~.15% of them I guess lmao

magic moss
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the sheet is genuinely the largest archive of high fear hades content outside of youtube from what i can tell, considering both h1 and h2

sage flame
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100% it's gotta be

carmine lagoon
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aliens exploring the ruins of human civilization in a million years are gonna look at it and think “damn they were good at Hades 2” 🔥🔥🔥

crude badge
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thanatos scythe is my fav weapon since release 😔

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errant latch
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could you bridal glow uncanny fortitude and achieve really high hp?

fair horizon
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there's also life affirmation for your hp needs (if you glow it early, that is)

errant latch
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does that only work with every source of +max hp or only stuff like ashes incantation and centaur hearts

fair horizon
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also there's Poseidon's infusion + Chaos creation if you're going down (otherwise have to mix it with some other watery Olympians: Aphro and Demeter and Hera)

uneven palm
# urban helm god i suck at both the ||Prometheus|| and ||Chronos|| fight... anyone got tips...

Knowing Prometheus’s moves and patterns helps a lot https://youtu.be/iDfSTMw9qsI?si=XGOCs6XoOngKHZD7

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Lee Reamsnyder
Let's not get hit by Prometheus a bit (Hades 2 EA Warsong Patch)

Prometheus is tough! He moves incredibly fast, he has a huge variety of attacks, he cuts off large chunks of the arena by lighting it on fire, he summons that gosh dang bird…

BUT he has some patterns! And once you know the patterns and how to properly dodge his moves, he's not so bad.

0:00 Preamble
2:15 Phase 1 (Flashy move, then pause)
3:57...

▶ Play video
plush vapor
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but yeah prometheus has very predictable and learnable patterns

spiral cairn
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Hey. Does anyone have a link to the meta builds?

fair horizon
spiral cairn
fair horizon
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Otherwise the game is still early access, and I guess there's not "authoritative" guide for H2 like for H1 yet. Since risk of the work being obsoleted, etc.

rich belfry
night lagoon
urban helm
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simon says is kinda a freebie

fair horizon
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For Chronos' scythe throw what is consistent for me is: when he starts winding up for the attack run clockwise around him and then dash to his left. Also he always uses the throw after teleporting in part one of the fight.

night lagoon
indigo viper
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I wasn't able to do screenshot but despite having Demeter's intense boon (dmg from single hit is capped at 20) Typhoon head attack still hit harder (32 dmg)
Is it bug or feature? xD

fair horizon
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If you had the infusion active (6 water elements), then it's either a bug or the game consolidated two or more damage numbers. Still worth the bug report (F10 on PC), I guess.

magic moss
harsh blade
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Two questions:
Is there any way to recover health in max scars beside max health increases?
Can you get duo boons without the queen card activated?

uneven palm
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Yes to both

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Charity Bottles (well), Circe’s health recovery gift, Breath of Eos (well), Vampiric Cataclysm (staff hammer) and Demeter’s Plentiful Forage heal through Scars

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Queen just increases your odds for duos. By a lot, but you have an innate chance

harsh blade
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alright cool, thanks a bunch!

quick crescent
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this would probably eat up magic something awful

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but does exceptional talent apply to possessed array on revaal?

bleak night
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Yeah, and it doesn't increase the cost

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works for Weed Killer and Fine Line as well if you haven't tried, effect works but completely free

quick crescent
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oh sweet

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i really like possessed array, glad to know it's more viable with those boons than i thought

indigo viper
spare kite
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You can prob check the boons manually in the run archive and see which ones are water in the codex

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I've used her infusion before vs typhon before and not seen it not work

cold raven
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How does frosty veneer interact with other damage mitigation/increasing sources? Stuff like vows, chaos, weak, heph gain

narrow ore
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Question. If you somehow purge or otherwise lose a boon such as Bridal Glow or Queen's Ransom, does it revert the other boons that were buffed by the purged boon? Or do those buffed boons keep the buff?

cold raven
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I think the damage gets "capped" at 20, but the pain vow applies after, making you take over 20 dmg (still a lot less painful than taking the full dmg with vow lol)

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Like 20 + 60% dmg from vow of pain 2 is exactly 32 dmg

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@indigo viper

magic moss
cold raven
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Hm if you say that's how it should behave, then I don't doubt you. But I'm offering a possible explanation that seems to line up with the 32 dmg ellysia suffered, so maybe that's where a bug in the code might be (?) I don't know the first thing about coding but I do know some basic math lol

magic moss
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wait what wheres the video of ellysia taking more than 20, i can do some code digging

cold raven
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They (probably) weren't recording and was too slow to screenshot I think. I'm too lazy to scroll up atm

magic moss
thin ridge
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Most likely they only had 5 water

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Or smth like that

glossy forge
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if a few demeter boons means 3-4, that's still only 4 or 5 water because all together only gives 1, so I'd put my money on an oversight

bleak night
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When does Coarse Grit come back

magic moss
glossy forge
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sounds perfectly balanced to me, i'd like to have an extra few hits while antlering typhon

tall notch
bleak night
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Should be a fun mod

magic moss
bleak night
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Is it just 6 to 5 and 4 to 3 elements req again

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Oh right element itself, unless there's just a simple keyword to it

stable herald
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I wish it was easier to build around infusions, it's a cool mechanic

magic moss
bleak night
tall notch
bleak night
junior trail
# cold raven How does frosty veneer interact with other damage mitigation/increasing sources?...

paid dues > brave face > armor > health (veneer if more than 20)
strength/tough gain work with paid dues/brave face (armor isnt affected by dmg reduction effect, veneer also not cuz its in the final step)

chaos curse dmg can be mitigated by paid dues, brave face, armor (curse dmg isnt affected by strength/tough gain dmg reduction effect)
doomed 500 dmg can be reduced by veneer

not sure about 32 dmg tho

tall notch
versed swan
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can you encounter Artemis, Heracles, Medea, Circe, Icarus, Dyonisus and Athena in the same run? or is there some kind of "balance" that prevents you to get help from all of em the same night

bleak night
tall notch
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It was... what, 40 base power on special?

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Same as axe swing except ranged, much faster and you could double it up with that one hammer

bleak night
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I kinda miss it a lil

tall notch
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It certainly was a weapon

bleak night
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I miss Mirrored Thrasher's old drawback of taking 30% more damage lol

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Also ngl I think Dual Moonshot should just have no detriment anymore no? That thing is fine to shoot twice at max range

thin ridge
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I can’t remember

bleak night
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and Hera was 100% earth back then, so Hera-Dem-Heph was unbeatable as a core by over 50 levels over the next one

cold raven
junior trail
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not sure, havent tested it yet

spiral kraken
# versed swan can you encounter Artemis, Heracles, Medea, Circe, Icarus, Dyonisus and Athena i...

according to this post from 9 months ago there was a victory title for "Meet every story character during a Surface run: Medea, Circe, Heracles, Artemis and Icarus" so I would assume meeting all the ones you mentioned is possible https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1dss7pj/all_clear_screen_titles_and_conditions_datamined/

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versed swan
viscid wave
timber pawn
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Ya its extremely low odds to have all that actually happen. Mainly Olympus rng is a nightmare there. It's like 1/14 chance to see Dio alone

formal pulsar
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anyway to use heph blasts better than this? https://i.imgur.com/BfUW4rt.png

I used mel blades to stack its backstab bonus with back burner for bigger blasts. any better weapon for this? any better god combo than heph apollo hestia aphro?

only thing i can think is use the fire element for slow cooker and hera for extended family

for core boons this is the ideal setup imo. aphro cast can group up enemy setting up for heph blasts hitting all of them. This can be pushed even more with super nova and hestia can be on the attack or gain but I dont like attack because it opens up scorch boon so gain it is.

grand caldera also kinda goes hard with this build. it has LINEAR scaling of +50 per pom with no diminishing returns. on the other hand it is beyond sad how bad vent is. anti synergy with improving his boons or multiple sources of his boons. really need to fix it imo.

love handles with sunny disposition with low heph cd can get really ridiculous. best heart breaker is still ares aphro open heart but this might close second imo.

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plush vapor
formal pulsar
fair horizon
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mega better because of the speed? because according to wiki(?) the reg special is 45 power so 45*1.5 = 68 with mega and 75 with colossus

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I mean, the o-special has a better story (according to wiki, again) with 100*1.5 = 150 power with mega versus 130 with colossus

but in general we rarely speak of skull o-special seriously

formal pulsar
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Power becomes more valuable the higher the percentage % dmg you have on your special. Like if you have a 100% boon dmg boon that 30 power becomes 60 and it scales even more with your global dmg while mega is just another additive bonus that is fixed.

Even without % dmg boon on special, I might consider it with blitz because it will trigger it faster

elfin forge
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do you even want special damage, even for medea?

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I thought the majority of your damage was from attack

fair horizon
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the alternative's wide grin in the pic (if medea)

formal pulsar
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But I thought he is asking about better special dmg?

elfin forge
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prolly just take driver just so you take less damage

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plus wide grin isn't like, unusable, it's just a bit jank

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since you need to do attack, special, special

fair horizon
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I mean that's what I'm saying Colossus > Mega, almost always.

formal pulsar
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I am confuse. I thought you were saying mega is better? dusa

elfin forge
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I would just take colossus there, not for damage, but for survivability, because skull isn't about special damage

fair horizon
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I'm saying Colossus is better, no room for Mega unless you're doing an omega-special build with Persephone.

formal pulsar
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Oh yeah you are correct unless spamming o special with perse colossus is better

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I worded my thoughts badly. My bad

sage flame
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yea mega is super nice for persehpone

fair horizon
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Now that I think it, even with Persephone Colossus is better damage-wise. Mega is just more ergonomic because of channeling speed.

sage flame
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yeah perse should prob be faster

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just by default

formal pulsar
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That the bosses are not affected at all by cast binding kinda really hurt Persephone

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Can never land an o cast anymore

fair horizon
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Shame they didn't give us more radical modification in the hammers...

plush vapor
fair horizon
fair horizon
plush vapor
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yeah

formal pulsar
fair horizon
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It's interesting, yes. But I feel it is lacking implementation wise.

elfin forge
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makes me wonder what hidden aspect will do

fair horizon
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Particularly the way Persephone's sprouted o-special cannot go through enemies.

formal pulsar
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Persephone gimmick kinda feels like a hidden aspect gimmisck so I am curious what they gonna with skulls

elfin forge
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I agree

fair horizon
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excited for staff and daggers hidden aspects, ngl

formal pulsar
fair horizon
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it's irritating against big enemies when Mel gets stuck

sage flame
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id much prefer it if you could move through enemies

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the swift runner literally exists now, it doesnt make any sense perse specifically gets singled out

formal pulsar
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Actually I can see how it would significantly better with it

sage flame
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esp cause other ospecials dont get caught, perse has a turn radius limit too so likeee

fair horizon
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Another weakness of the implementation of skull o-special is that it feels "inconsequential" without stun, etc.

formal pulsar
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But Persephone main issue is filling the meter, once you get to the zooming around bit, it is fine

elfin forge
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what's stunt

formal pulsar
fair horizon
elfin forge
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oh stun

fair horizon
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yeah, mistyped, silly me

elfin forge
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same goes for torch specials as well

sage flame
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figured out it also applies to thessaly masts too for some reason

fair horizon
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yeah, but torch special not having stun doesn't matter much with Moros/Eos (or Rom Spark Mel)

elfin forge
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just makes the weapon feel a bit limited because you just hold down attack

fair horizon
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I guess, don't really mean stun per se, I mean that skull o-special just feels "floaty" especially when using Persephone.

sage flame
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yeah it needs the speed at least

zenith wigeon
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i just got my first sub 14 minute run in the underworld (yay) but now I want to get my surface runs sub 20 so I can attempt the max time nightmare (my runs always avg around 23-25 minutes)

I pause at choices, I try to go as fast as possible, but I keep having trouble clearing out enemies for ephyra and thessaly specifically. Any tips or pointers to make this time cut?

fair horizon
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besides getting a strong build in Ephyra, you also need to try to play to all of your weapon's strengths (well singular with aspect of Medea)

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are you running Death or Strength? Furies, Origination? Max rerolls?

elfin forge
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there's also meta stuff you can do, like avoiding rerolling Selene so you don't get it elsewhere with rerolls. Picking your boon order correctly, picking doors with the primary boons that you want, stuff like that

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Use god keepsake or maybe even Phial if you wanna gamble

grand pumice
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How do i get into builds

formal pulsar
# grand pumice How do i get into builds

There is no singular guide right now because the game is in early access and a lot of things are changing.

If you are truly just beginning you gotta experience the game a little bit to feel what you like. But if you are already there you can look for minimet 50 fear sheet, it contains all 50 + fear clears builds for both underworld and surface. These builds worked for 50 fear so they will work for anything beneath that. You can see the builds and try to replicate them yourself

zenith wigeon
uneven palm
#

Consider starting with a particular god keepsake to lock in and rarify your best damage option early. Also, Eye is kinda mid for the end. If you want more damage, Fang is probably better overall since it’s more damage for the whole region. Knuckle Bones are solid just to mostly skip a Typhon phase.

forest hinge
#

does anyone have good Vow setups for 32F?

fair horizon
# forest hinge does anyone have good Vow setups for 32F?

Everyone's different, but in general if you can get used to max Time and max Frenzy then avoid:

  • Hordes
  • Grit
  • Debt, if going Surface
  • Void, your arcana give you superpowers
  • Wards, but it's aspect/build dependent

you can play around with the rest of the vows (except for max Scars).

If you cannot with Time3, try Time2 and compromise a little but still avoid Hordes and Void unless you know yourself.

forest hinge
spare kite
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Forfeit is not the worst on the surface

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Just assume thessaly will be extra ass boon wise

fair horizon
#

it's not too bad, focus on builds that don't require too much stuff (especially considering you need to be careful with Denial)

spare kite
#

If you do a manaless aspect you also get hubris for free

forest hinge
#

actually ive realized that u only need like 1 page for manaless weapons lol

fair horizon
#

unless you are hyper optimizing, not much changes between magickless and magick weapons

a pretty standard arcana setup is:

  • left hand column
  • bottom left corner
  • origination, centaur, persistence, strength

then you can either pick wayward son + something else, or you can go with lovers/artificer (and no healing between rooms)

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the "something else" could be huntress for magickless aspects, for example, or night for aspects which alternate omegas (e.g. selene coat)

uneven palm
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I change so few things at this point that I haven’t bothered setting up the presets. I’m only ever doing lovers <-> artificer for 50f surface/uw. Or I might drop Lovers for Huntress/Night and Wayward. Or drop Orig for something like Night + Eternity. That’s about it.

formal pulsar
#

possessed array persephone is an even more ridiculous righetous pike machine than torches. too bad it only works with 1 hammer.

carmine ginkgo
#

For someone still struggling to kill Typhon (Have done it twice?) - Staff currently has the bonus resource buff. What's a broken good build for it with which aspect?

elfin forge
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For aspect, you can do either Momus or Mel imo

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There's a few ways you can build it, but I'm stupid so I focus on normal attack(despite all the aspects only improving omegas)

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so I might do something like Ares Attack, zeus special(use normal special occasionally to apply blitz), and get hammers like Wicked Thrasher or Mirrored Thrasher

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You could also do an omega attack, just keep stacking damage buffs until it deletes stuff

carmine ginkgo
elfin forge
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at the start, since your attack will be relatively weak, don't forget to use omega attack to clear out waves from relative safety

carmine ginkgo
#

I will give this a try, thanks!

elfin forge
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I haven't really brought staff up to 20+ fear, but I really enjoyed it at like, 5 fear and below

carmine ginkgo
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Oh I haven't really done too much with fear. I'm not very good dracthyr_sweat (i think this exact build was actually my second typhon kill come to think of it...)

elfin forge
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Making good builds in this game is usually just knowing which gods offer what, and picking the two gods that suit the weapon the best

carmine ginkgo
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Or at least, close. It was an attack spam thing

elfin forge
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and for most weapons, Zeus, Ares, Apollo, and Aphro are the best options for Attack/Special boons

carmine ginkgo
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Momus, but honestly didn't use the omega as much

elfin forge
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kinda unlucky there, since your hammers suit oattack, but poseidon attack suits normal attack

carmine ginkgo
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Yeah I was hoping for more attack specific stuff! Wish you could reroll hammer options

elfin forge
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everyone wishes that

carmine ginkgo
#

Well this is promising. Upgraded ares attack into epic as first boon, and immediatly followed by a hestia rare cardio gain

elfin forge
#

You might know this already but the rule of thumb for gods is:
Zeus, Aphro, Apollo, Ares : Powerful Attack/Special Boons
Heph, Hera, Dem : Powerful Support Boons, but not suited to be Attack/Special
Pos : Only useful for high attack rates
Hestia: Ngl limited usefulness, usually behind other gods in terms of damage and utility

carmine ginkgo
#

And mirrored thrasher! ameowsipb

elfin forge
#

wait that's an insane start

carmine ginkgo
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Right??

elfin forge
#

keep your special slot open for Zeus and it'll be insane

carmine ginkgo
#

Yeah. I'm looking at ephyria (spelling?) and I see a hera, another ares, two aphrodite, a hestia and a hermes. Probably should reroll aphro

elfin forge
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Hera Cast, Ares Grievous Blow would be some of your best picks

carmine ginkgo
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Epic Zeus Special

elfin forge
#

wtf

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gg, all you need now is some aoe

#

strat is just mash left click right click basically

carmine ginkgo
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Pretty much. Would chain lightning be good here?

elfin forge
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yeah, you have a high attack rate

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though tbh ares attack kinda is AOE, since your first hit on every enemy is beefy

carmine ginkgo
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Since attack is such a strong part, w hen should I be using zeus special? Or is this to unlock a duo later?

elfin forge
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basically for bosses you just weave in a special to put blitz on them

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special applies blitz, attack damage procs the blitz lightning

carmine ginkgo
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(boo, grievous blow but common)

#

Ah, gotcha

elfin forge
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that's good enough tbh

#

you can kinda animation cancel into your special, so you just do it frequently and stuff will just die

cold raven
#

if you're worried about hubris on mana dependant aspects, hecuba can help a lot

elfin forge
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not sure where that came from but yes, correct!

#

Hecuba is surprisingly good for early mana

carmine ginkgo
#

I did see a cast on hera but it was also common, so I went for bridal glow aaaaand it hit cardio gain cadancewheeze

elfin forge
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yeah I was gonna say go for bridal glow, but the risk of it hitting cardio was too high

cold raven
carmine ginkgo
#

Jeez, rare Nimble limbs. If I can't kill typhon with a run like this, I should retire

elfin forge
#

typhon is hopefully the easy part, because he's just a wall

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if you struggle with him, just go the top side of the map and hug him

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every other attack of his will always be the chin slam

#

just dash straight down before he does the chin slam, and boom, you now know how to deal with half of the attacks he'll do

carmine ginkgo
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Man, hera does not want to give me a good cast. (common, went for epic dash instead)

elfin forge
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I don't think you need a good cast from her

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it's mostly just to apply hitch

carmine ginkgo
#

Alright, ephyra done. Next trinket?

elfin forge
#

uh you have zeus and ares boons done, so you're kinda set

carmine ginkgo
#

Right? 😅 I was thinking maybe zeus for some more aoe? I just used the ares one to start with

elfin forge
#

Maybe Demeter or Heph to try to get some support boons

carmine ginkgo
elfin forge
#

Dem Cast, Heph trusty shield are good and still available

carmine ginkgo
#

Righto

elfin forge
#

oh wait you should do athena

magic moss
#

new staff player zagluv

elfin forge
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DDash

carmine ginkgo
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This early? I run with 3 death defiance though so won't she not show up?

elfin forge
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oh you have death defiance nevermind

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most people run Strength so you can get consistent Athena

carmine ginkgo
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Yeah I'm weak 😅

elfin forge
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(and also attack buff + double health)

#

yeah I guess you do another god keepsake like Dem or Heph

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or phial to rarify something

magic moss
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whats the build?

elfin forge
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they have ares attack, zeus special, mirrored thrasher

magic moss
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momus?

elfin forge
#

oh wait yeah oattack works well here I forget

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does ares buff both oattacks or just the first

magic moss
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go dem, arctic ring snow queen weed killer all good

carmine ginkgo
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Mel staff, not momus

magic moss
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think of wounds like reverse vent, with wound the damage is upfront with a cd period after, which vent is damage after a short period

elfin forge
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yeah I see

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I think you actually stick with omega attacks actually still, unless you get mirrored thrasher

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man could you imagine if extending wallop worked with oattack

magic moss
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with non momus staff if you get mirrored playstyle depends on what gain you have

elfin forge
#

they have hestia gain

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(which got bridal glowed rip)

magic moss
#

if you have anything thats not born or ionic, then attack spam is better

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if you have born or ionic, then oattack spam

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tho for typhon with sorceress and mel staff channel buffs oattack is prob safer, so just look to oattack a lot, then use normal attacks to rapidly regen mana then back to oattack spam

carmine ginkgo
#

I did just get weed killer

elfin forge
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oattack time

magic moss
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man i love it when people play staff

carmine ginkgo
#

Icarus, who is offering explosive intent (oattack) and ingenous strike (attack)... choices

magic moss
elfin forge
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mini why does wiki say weed killer doesn't work with rapid thrasher

magic moss
elfin forge
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weedkiller is incompatible with certain hammers that emphasize rapid attacks: Rapid Thrasher, Rapid Onslaught, Rapid slash.

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oh is it just that they lock each other out

magic moss
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yeah they just lock each orher out

elfin forge
#

wait why is rapid slash locked out, isn't it just for normal attack

magic moss
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its SGG’s way to sorta nudge people’s builds since if you’re going Rapid then the intention is to focus on attacks and not oattacks

elfin forge
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oh the wiki says it goes the other way around too

magic moss
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and vice versa ig then

carmine ginkgo
#

Oh this is fun. Epic Power Surge... and since my every attack uses mana ameowsip

elfin forge
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(power surges damage is sadly pretty low I believe)

carmine ginkgo
#

Hm. Doing 'give up' basically resets to before you start, or does beating a region boss make things different even with giving up? Despite my luck I've played horribly and have already lost all three death defiance and i'm still fighting eris...

elfin forge
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give up keeps the rng for the first two rooms

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after that I think things start scrambling

#

it doesn't matter how far into the run you've gotten

magic moss
carmine ginkgo
#

Hmmmmm

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I just lost that last life but managed to time the pause to give up, so... round two!

#

Momus time instead? cocothink

elfin forge
#

does changing aspects change rng

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I know changing fears will change the rng

carmine ginkgo
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It seems like it does, cardio gain in second room was on second page and is now common

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Wicked thrasher though for hammer (or extended wallop)

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Yeah, don't have the godlike rng that I was getting earlier. Still decent stuff but not the same level

elfin forge
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you've probably heard this before but try playing with strength

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you'd be surprised

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all healing is effectively doubled so any source of healing is made much more powerful

carmine ginkgo
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I did get very close to beating typhon on the one try I did with strength, was a pan poseidon build and it was hilarious

grand pumice
#

Is building around M1’s the most optional for black coat?

fair horizon
#

Poseidon dash-strike spam or Freezer Burn with Hestia dash-strike spam are nice for the magickless coat (usually Mel). Also Static Shock and Exhaust Riser.

The special is good but awkward, with Selene coat you can spam omega-specials and omega-casts. Almost anything is good on coat special: Poseidon, Apollo, Aphrodite, Zeus, Hera. Hestia needs Burning Desire + Freezer Burn, and Hephaestus needs lots of investment. Ares is better as support in the attack to enable stuff like Grievous Blow. If you do Selene coat, Hestia's Controlled Burn, Ares' Cut Above, and Hera's Fine Line are all good to increase your magick expenditure and get your Hex online faster. Controlled Burn also opens a very good duo with Ares (and Cut Above with Heph and Apollo, too).

If you get Shimmering Rockets (your specials bounce among enemies) you can completely focus on regular specials too, put Hera special + Static Shock for example and watch rooms dissipate (needs support against bosses I guess).

wise idol
bleak night
uneven palm
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ha bet that was a short Typhon fight

fair horizon
#

It always feels like Zeus is "super effective!" against both final bosses.

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In a surprising way sometimes. Yeah, the king of Olympus.

uneven palm
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Against Typhon only so much since Romantic Spark and Master Conductor don’t work

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But big Zeus is good otherwise

fair horizon
#

yeah

timber pawn
bleak night
#

or was it Sworn -> Rousing

fair horizon
#

not only the ransom but also the nice collection of zeus boons before the ransom

keen vapor
#

Yo, do y'all have a decent build for the black coat? I unlocked every aspect and every arcana card but I suck with the weapon

fair horizon
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Mel coat + Poseidon attack + Static Shock + Aphrodite/Apollo sprint, if you get lucky Exhaust Riser hammer.

Dash-strike to win.

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What's your arcana loadout?

keen vapor
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Gotcha, Im assuming starting with Poseidon's artifact for better boons is recommended with that build

elfin forge
#

am I gonna see another insane arcana setup

fair horizon
keen vapor
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Dang I cant send my arcana build, no screenshots allowed I guess

elfin forge
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you can post it to a different discord server, then link it

fair horizon
keen vapor
keen vapor
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Theyre almost all maxed out beside 1 or 2

elfin forge
#

I was gonna say "huh interesting idea"

fair horizon
#

ouch, no rerolls?

elfin forge
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then I saw strength + death

keen vapor
#

I guess not, I just put stuff at random honestly

fair horizon
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usually you want the left hand column enabled, and you pick between Death and Strength not both

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also the rerolls + gold corner is too good

keen vapor
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The whole left column? Okok

elfin forge
#

For reference, the standard arcana setup is:

  • Left Column
  • All reroll arcana
  • Wayward Son
  • Persistence
  • Origination
  • Strength/Death
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And some people will change it for stuff like Eternity, Artificer, Lovers

fair horizon
#

Also avoid Unseen/Excellence unless doing some high art, those are too expensive for what they offer

keen vapor
#

What does high art mean?

fair horizon
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Experimentation (I'm being silly saying "high art"). Like boonless runs for Unseen, or some high fear aspect specific run for Excellence. The point being they're not worth in the majority of cases.

keen vapor
keen vapor
fair horizon
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Yes, if you feel confident, Strength is usually better than Death. The last two grasp you can put with Night (helps charging Hexes) or with Huntress.

If you ever feel even more confident you can disable Wayward Son and go with Lovers or Artificer, too.

keen vapor
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I barely started the late game and adding fear to my runs so Im definitely not confident yet. Especially with all weapons besides the twin blades and the curvy axe thing

fair horizon
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OK, you'll get there. Strength makes the early game much easier and also effectively doubles your healing, not as scary as it seems unless you suck at avoiding insta-kill moves from say Chronos/Prometheus.

keen vapor
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Im also trying to rank up every artifact to 3* so I havent done a proper build yet its always been random for the most part tbh

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Chronos 2nd phase is my weak spot but the rest is alright to me

elfin forge
#

you'll get used to it with practice

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the last two grasp I usually spend on Huntress

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(just remember that it doesn't buff omega moves, just normal ones)

keen vapor
#

Yeah I figured Id do that, 50% on attack is dope

fervent laurel
#

i keep feeling really underwhelmed by than axe damage near the end of surface runs, is there a straightforward way to fix that?

keen vapor
fair horizon
#

Anything but the one that makes your attack super long, that one always trips me up (confuses me on the range of the dash-strike). The one that causes your specials to autofire on regular attacks is also good (almost any god's good on special).

keen vapor
keen vapor
fair horizon
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You get a feel by playing more and getting familiar with boons and the builds you discover along the way.

keen vapor
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Alright, but Im assuming it isnt mandatory like the poseidon and static shock ones since you didnt mention it for this specific build

fair horizon
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Just avoid rerolling more than twice, twice if you really need that boon, thrice in case of make-or-break needing that boon.

keen vapor
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Like I dont recall Hermes boons that directly boost dash-strikes or attack in general unless Im trippin. Nevermind I remember seeing the +attack speed boon a few times

fair horizon
#

Stutter Step helps you dash-strike more frequently, very good with Athena's dash too.

keen vapor
#

Okok that makes sense

fair horizon
#

But it's not a make-or-break boon, Athena's dash is even more important if anything (but also not particularly needed for lower difficulties).

keen vapor
#

Does Athena appear in every run? Or is it pure rng

elfin forge
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if you have keepsake should be guaranteed

keen vapor
#

Ahh true I could switch it up before that area

elfin forge
#

just remember you can't use keepsake in olympus

keen vapor
#

Wait what I never noticed

elfin forge
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you can, but it bugs out

fair horizon
keen vapor
#

Thats good to know! Thanks

magic moss
#

funny story, athena’s keepsake interaction with olympus is a LOT more complex

elfin forge
#

say it ain't so

magic moss
#

im still code diving and testing out the interactions, but ive had it work a couple of times in really weird ways

magic moss
#

fun fact, there are over 20 different ways an olympus encounter can START XD

keen vapor
#

But I get the trade off being worth it for sure

keen vapor
spare kite
#

yeah dash boon

fair horizon
# keen vapor By sprint, do you mean dash? Because Ive seen aphoridite twice and even rerolled...

There's an event with Poseidon which sometimes bugs out and doesn't occur for many runs. In the event Poseidon offers you the "old boons" (like Buried Treasure), this unlocks your ability to gift Hermes (by finding him as regular room reward) and also unlocks other boons like Passion Rush.

In short, you want to do as many runs with Poseidon as possible till he gives you the old boons dialogue.

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Have you already unlocked the old boons like Buried Treasure and Hydraulic Might? If you haven't you cannot yet get Passion Rush (Aphrodite's dash/sprint).

keen vapor
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Im assuming I accidently did that because Ive seen Aphoridite's dash often, its just the wording that confused me since I was looking for SPRINT and not DASH

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Buried Treasure sounds familiar Im like 99% sure Ive taken it often

elfin forge
#

all dash/sprint boons have "rush" in their name

fair horizon
#

Well it's actually RUSH currently, SGG has being renaming things.

elfin forge
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some gods have it on dash, some gods have it on sprint, mostly because of changes over time

keen vapor
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I see, so in that specific build I should go for Apollo or Aphrodite's RUSH. Good to know

fair horizon
#

yep

keen vapor
#

Trying to unlock the last chaos curse & buff is annoying as hell, its been like 50 runs without seeing it

steel wave
#

Would you guys say hephaestus is good? I usually grab his special, vent, and just roll with it and I’ve beaten fear 12, 16, and (soon) 20 on mount Olympus

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Or is there some sort of faster way to kill with the axe (Thanatos aspect)

silent crow
steel wave
steel wave
#

Also what pet do I use and can I upgrade Frodo

wintry fiber
#

i like apollo for axe

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cleaves like half of the screen

steel wave
#

I thought about ares and attack but idk if his attack boons are better than Aphrodite

wintry fiber
#

i prefer to run raki for that crit though

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hecuba may be better overall for mana boost and stun

wintry fiber
steel wave
#

Ares has the best drip out of all gods and all characters in hades 2, change my mind

steel wave
keen vapor
#

What would y'all recommend for an Argent Skull run? Its my worst weapon by far, I suck at it

steel wave
spare kite
#

🗿

uneven palm
#

Medea’s strongest. Zeus special, whatever percentage on attack. Attack, special through, repeat. Lotta good hammers but Possessed Array, Boosted Ignition, and Colossus Driver are best.

steel wave
#

I usually run Medea aspect with it tho, but if you run default use something else

spare kite
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Why would you use heph's attack with it

keen vapor
#

I tried heph's attack boon with it and felt weird, that and the fire goddess one

uneven palm
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Oh you want percentages. Aphro, Apollo, Hera, Ares

steel wave
steel wave
uneven palm
#

Base damage of skulls is pretty high so they run best with +% attack boons

keen vapor
spare kite
#

Apollo/ares also have some extra niches on hammers or t2 boons

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Apollo + possessed gives you a comically big aoe and ares has the funny grievous blow

uneven palm
keen vapor
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Boons have tiers? Is T2 equal to rare ones?

wintry fiber
#

come to think of it why would you ever pick poseidon on anything other than knives or pan specifically

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maybe mel coat

keen vapor
spare kite
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Not to confuse with rarities (legendaries/duos are technically t3s but nobody calls them thag)

uneven palm
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Like Grievous Blow, you need something that applies Wound

keen vapor
spare kite
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Yeah

keen vapor
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Okok

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I think Ill try apollo + zeus first

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Ive never tried that aspect it feels weird to stack the skulls on myself lmao

spare kite
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If you get possessed array hammer you can go for Apollo's legendary too

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Oh do you know the rhythm with it

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Load 1 skull > special > repeat

keen vapor
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Ohhh I was loading all of them

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Didnt know legendaries needed specific hammers to spawn thats interesting

spare kite
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Rarely you wanna load more than 1 (unless enemies are spawning or something)

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Oh it doesn't, it just combines super well with the hammer

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Possessed array is not affected by any magic cost increase but still gets the effects

keen vapor
spare kite
keen vapor
#

Okok I get it thank you

uneven palm
#

Load up more if you need to pop armor or if you know it’ll kill something in one cycle

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That comes with experience

keen vapor
#

Im assuming its a good idea to reroll for at least a rare special & attack since theyre my main skills

uneven palm
#

Eh, rarity doesn’t matter much.

steel wave
wintry fiber
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the other way is to get common main slot and avoid picking other commons to use phial upgrade

spare kite
#

Apollo does care about rarity tbh

uneven palm
#

You’d like that Zeus special to be above common but that’s what the keepsake is for

keen vapor
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Oh I put the apollo keepsake haha, didnt know rarity didnt matter in every build

uneven palm
spare kite
junior trail
#

is wide grin good with medea?

keen vapor
uneven palm
#

Unless it’s like at the margins of speed/fear rarity isn’t super important

spare kite
#

Is +20% per rarity for apollo

uneven palm
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And yeah a lot of the time it’s just not a huge boost

spare kite
#

Medea still has the base +90% so is not the wordt

uneven palm
#

That too, Medea starts at “strong”

spare kite
keen vapor
#

That sounds really good to me

spare kite
wintry fiber
#

does anyone know the damage calculation formula

#

like which ones are additive and multiplicative

spare kite
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All dmg buffs are additive, ares double dmg boons and crits are multi

wintry fiber
#

slip not multiplicative?

spare kite
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Nope

wintry fiber
#

lmfao wow poseidon is so ass

spare kite
#

Yeah slip is something for sure

uneven palm
#

I miss Poseidon’s old h1 status

wintry fiber
#

or give slip usable numbers because how is it gonna be half as effective as aphro weak

uneven palm
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They do different things. Slip increases your damage, Weak reduces damage to you

wintry fiber
#

was referring to sweet surrender

uneven palm
#

Ah gotcha

keen vapor
#

Sprint is the follow-up to a dash right?

viscid wave
keen vapor
spare kite
#

Cast you can always do Demeter for extra defense

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Sprint/cast can also be used to turn on origination if your attack lacks a curse

fair horizon
#

Cast is one of the strongest tools in your arsenal, don't ignore it.

keen vapor
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I guess cast is especially useful against static bosses like Typhon

fair horizon
#

Also can think of cast/sprint as helping you get duo boons and legendaries and also activate Origination as already mentioned.

elfin forge
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though yeah, cast is annoying on most surface bosses since they move out of them so much

spare kite
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Cast in general just stops you from getting rushed down by enemies

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Unless you are the sword bot from Olympus then screw the cast bouldy

keen vapor
#

True I did notice that when I get swarmed

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The sword bot?

elfin forge
#

the bot that beyblades

spare kite
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^ those ignore the cast trapping effect while attacking because lol lmao

keen vapor
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Oh I thought that was an inside joke or something lol

elfin forge
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they ignore it like, sometimes

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I forget what the condition was

keen vapor
elfin forge
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its ok, though your special really doesn't deal that much damage

keen vapor
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Oh thats disappointing, I do like the extra speed on it tbh

uneven palm
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Its alright. I only really like Mega Driver on Persephone

elfin forge
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Medea's sources of damage are from Attack and Blitz(if you have Zeus Special)

keen vapor
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Is upgrading the special better than the attack? Since the special doesnt deal that much damage as you said

elfin forge
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should upgrade attack instead

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oh you mean poms? I think pomming blitz is fine, but it falls off after a few levels

keen vapor
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Yeah I meant poms

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By upgrading you meant any boons that boost the overall effect or damage I guess

elfin forge
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just spread out your poms, like 2 levels on them

keen vapor
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Oh, I always put all poms in a single skill haha I guess that was a bad idea

elfin forge
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poms always have diminishing returns for how much they boost something

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except heph attack/special, they inversely get better the more you pom

keen vapor
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Is it even worth going for poms? From the sound of it its almost useless besides the two exceptions

uneven palm
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You’d like 1-2 on your major damage sources sure

elfin forge
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it's better then nothing, and again, you generally want like 2-3 on several boons

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like if I had to choose between selene and pom, I'd probably take the pom tbh

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(for any non magick builds)

keen vapor
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I wanna do a full magic build someday, it looks like fun

keen vapor
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Can you upgrade all familiar bonds or I should choose my upgrades carefully?

elfin forge
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you can upgrade them all but getting lotus is a PAIN

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there's also 5 familiars so make sure to save some treats for the last few

keen vapor
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Okok thats good to know, just won with the skull build. Very close call but Ill take it, such a fun build

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Now I gotta win with the axe and another weapon I think

keen vapor
elfin forge
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again, you need lotus for them, which is pretty annoying

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you get 1-2 per underworld run

keen vapor
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Gotcha, thats okay Im way too addicted to care about that. Plus I wanna try to finish those annoying fates first

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The most annoying ones being finding the last chaos curse & buff needed

elfin forge
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when I unlocked surface, I didn't want to do underworld just because it was too easy

keen vapor
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Understandable

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Inverted Spark or Clean Helix for an omega attack staff run?

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Nevermind the latter is for omega special lmao

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I don't understand Sacrificial Hymn, the +2 level part. Does that mean when I get a pom it will upgrade a boon twice?

elfin forge
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no it's just +2 levels, like from poms

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when you pick up the sacrifice, I mean

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sacrificial hymn is generally not worth it unless you want to replace a core boon

keen vapor
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Pick up the sacrifice? Not when you sell something?

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I didnt even know you could pick up sacrifices lol

elfin forge
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sacrifice is when you pick up a boon that offers to replace another one you have

keen vapor
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Ohhh

elfin forge
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like replace zeus rare attack with hera epic attack

keen vapor
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So basically you gotta pray it lands on a useful replacement boon

elfin forge
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I think so, yeah

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replacements are only for core boons though, so odds aren't like, terrible

keen vapor
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I see, I don't think I'll be using it often tbh

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Apparently the chaos thing I'm missing only appears after you have an infusion boon smh

spare kite
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are you missing their infusion? (chant)

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you need an aether element so either from creation boon from chaos or any duo

keen vapor
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Is aether the multicolored element?

spare kite
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purple orb yeah

keen vapor
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Okok I'll try going for chaos gates often to get the creation boon

elfin forge
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tough to get, since chaos gates decrease in frequency later into a run(which is probably where you get your duos)

spare kite
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embryo can give you either creation too or chant directly (though idk if it counts for the prophecy if obtained from there=

keen vapor
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I maxed out embryo early but maybe I just got unlucky, couldnt tell

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Didnt chaos gates decreased in frequency tho thats good to know

spare kite
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they can't spawn naturally in the fields or tartarus at all

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can only be spawned through spark of ixion charon well item

keen vapor
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Ahhh I see

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I cant tell if going from Nova Strike Epic to Ice Strike Heroic is worth it on the staff

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Less damage but constant freeze

thin ridge
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It doesn’t

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He has a seperate boon for faster channeling

thin ridge
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Since you lose the radius and have worse damage

keen vapor
thin ridge
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Against bosses you just have worse dps

keen vapor
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Like assuming that I'm not a god-like dodger, just to slow them down so I can have some leeway

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I get that its worse in terms of pure damage tho

thin ridge
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Do you have boons that benefit from freeze(hail storm etc)

keen vapor
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Not yet, Im like 60% through the run

thin ridge
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Or origination

spare kite
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If you want freeze you can generally just slap artic ring instead

keen vapor
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True true, I got the scorch cast instead

thin ridge
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I picked antler instead of leaf in Olympus

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😰

uneven palm
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Just don’t get hit much you got this

thin ridge
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I would’ve won easily but I got hit by a singular prom memory attack

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:/

grand pumice
thin ridge
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Fig leaf is the Dionysus keepsake

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White antler is the Artemis keepsake

stable herald
grand pumice
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Damn my bad

grand pumice
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Are they even worth it or only in specific runs

thin ridge
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Fig leaf is 1 encounter with no foes for 3 regions max but you only need to equip it for 1

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Artemis is good if you can dodge well

grand pumice
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Alright im probs just gonna get enough nectar to get every keepsake and decide what i like

spare kite
grand pumice
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Oh i have a question

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I’ve read something about switching keepsakes mid run. How is that possible?

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Do you have a to learn an incantation for that? Lmao because i do remember something with “separating by region” and i thought it was like a sorting thing in keepsake inventory

stable herald
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Yeah, there's an incantation to make the keepsake cabinet appear in the rooms after each region boss

thin ridge
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Look the reqs up on the wiki cause it’s honestly a game changing thing

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Prioritize it

bleak night
keen vapor
thin ridge
timid canyon
wide pollen
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And damn, I didn't know you could put a cast in there so fast

magic moss
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I'm 99% sure i figured out why Athena's keepsake doesn't work in Olympus

keen vapor
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What's a decent Selena/Hex build? Are there any where you just spam the s*** out of it?

bleak night
keen vapor
bleak night
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Skull hammer upgrade

formal pulsar
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it is a hammer for the skull weapon

keen vapor
bleak night
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Can just go for it, you do need Born Gain and a good amount of MP though

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Also hit 1 of 12 hammers and Wolf Howl specifically when neither can be rerolled

formal pulsar
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look since you are new player, I wouldnt really go for it because that hammer is one specific upgrade out of 12. it is not really guaranteed. there are other ways to make you spam selene hex more reliably

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a more reliable build is equip hera keepsake and use torches

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and get both her gain (born gain) and the boon (fine line). and spam the omega attack

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this build will have insane magick consumption allowing you to spam any hex you want

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and you can use it more reliably

keen vapor
charred lintel
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the flames

formal pulsar
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it is a weapon (the umbral flames)

keen vapor
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I'm assuming Eos is recommended since you spam omega attacks

formal pulsar
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no eos is bad here because it is omega attack is clunky. any other torch will work

keen vapor
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Oh okok thats good to know thank you

formal pulsar
keen vapor
keen vapor
formal pulsar
keen vapor
formal pulsar
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total eclipse is better hex imo especially since there is an upgrade that gives total invulnerability for 4seconds

keen vapor
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Which means with the right setup you can essentially be immortal and cast the hex again

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Probably below 10 seconds in total if I had to guess

formal pulsar
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yes! exactly. you will be charging that hex again in no time with this build. below 10seconds for sure

uneven palm
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Oh yeah fine line on the flames you’ll get Total Eclipse online in like 2s

keen vapor
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Aye thats good to know

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Is the boon fine line rare? Any prerequisites needed?

formal pulsar
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no prerequisites but rng gives and takes

keen vapor
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Okok nice

magic moss
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the tldr of why athena's keepsake doesn't work in olympus (ie. you can have runs in olympus where Athena doesn't appear despite having her keepsake equipped) is the simple fact that sgg hard coded the function to spawn athena to never let the keepsake work in olympus lmao

keen vapor
formal pulsar
keen vapor
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Or Selene ofc

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Lololol I got wolf howl first try and fine line and born again in the 1st area @formal pulsar

formal pulsar
keen vapor
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Is it okay to buy other boons? Does it even matter since I spam the hex?

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I'm assuming maybe something on attack

formal pulsar
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wolf howl gives invulnerability frames when you activates so do so as soon as feel like you are in danger

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any attack is fine here really.

keen vapor
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Okok thats nice, and I'll try to learn the frames but I doubt I'll kill it during my first run lmao

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Okay this playstyle is bonkers, mana refilling instantly and jumping everywhere

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It's equally as fun as spamming dash with poseidon in OG Hades

keen vapor
formal pulsar
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fine line torches melt everything and hex spam is pretty easy too 🔥

keen vapor
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Hell yes, I'm sure other melting hexes will be fun too but jumping with wolf howl takes the cake

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Lmao I got one shot by Chronos second phase because I timed it badly

formal pulsar
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got bubble frozen into one shot?

keen vapor
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Nope just the first skill where you gotta go in a small circle

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I figured I'd just spam jump and be invincible

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But I hesitated for like .5 sec with the second jump

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Maybe it would have worked if I spammed

formal pulsar
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you got this. you gonna beat up granpa next time!

keen vapor
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I'm too used to death defiant, playing with strenght is a different playstyle tbh

formal pulsar
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I also was addicted to dds. it takes a while to get used to strength.

keen vapor
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I'm assuming I cant spam night bloom and have an army of mobs?

formal pulsar
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no it only works on the last mob you killed. and if you reactivate it, it replaces the mob

keen vapor
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Okok Dark Side it is

fair horizon
# magic moss the tldr of why athena's keepsake doesn't work in olympus (ie. you can have runs...

Correct me if I'm being off the mark: from what I see

  • the "P encounters" reference Olympus
  • Athena's P encounters (Athena in Olympus) all inherit from BaseAthenaCombat which has BlockAthenaEncounterKeepsake set to true
  • this causes the function HandleAthenaSpawn to exit early without spawning Athena

On a tangent, and interestingly, it seems (not sure) PEncountersDefault in EncounterSets.lua has repeated entries in order to simulate the chances of a particular type of Olympus encounter. So the chance of meeting Athena for the very first time is 16/37 (43%) and thereafter the chance is (22%)? With caveats about how frequently you've seen Athena in your previous runs (not sure if keepsake counts here). This only accounting for PEncountersDefault, but there's other PEncounter sets so the numbers are off I guess.

magic moss
# fair horizon Correct me if I'm being off the mark: from what I see - the "P encounters" refe...

This is the pseudocode breakdown of what I've understood it as

so lets say you have the keepsake equipped in Olympus and manage to get a naturally spawned Athena, the game runs the function "HandleAthenaSpawn" as follows

  1. The game sees that you have the keepsake, and the keepsake calls the function HandleAthenaSpawn
  2. The function sees that Olympus blocks Athena's Keepsake from summoning Athena, so it returns the function call and doesn't spawn Athena
  3. The natural Athena spawn requirements are met, and HandleAthenaSpawn function is called again (the same function btw)
  4. The code sees that its a natural Athena spawn and passes the check condition
  5. Then it checks if Dio's keepsake activated. If it did, the Athena encounter is overriden and Athena is not spawned. If not, skip this step
  6. The game then checks to see if you have Athena's keepsake equipped (Despite already haven denied it prior lmao)
  7. If you do, then reduce its charge and rarify the Athena rewards to be whatever the keepsake level is. Otherwise, skip this step
  8. Summon Athena
fair horizon
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So it seems a sort of race condition in the case of having her keepsake and also spawning natural in Olympus. Specifically caused by, for some reason, having her keepsake blocked in Olympus.

formal pulsar
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I thought if athena spawned naturally with the keepsake in olympus you get normal rarity boons not boosted rarities

fair horizon
keen vapor
fair horizon
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not worth no, just get max magick ups

formal pulsar
keen vapor
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Okok I'll just up my attack I guess

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Fine line doesnt seem that good as upgrades go either

fair horizon
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it's strong and helps you spend lots of magick for hexes and athena's righteous pike boon

formal pulsar
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fine line boost is to its base damage and then it gets multiplied by all your global damage modifiers. like the stuff in your arcana like origination and the furies

keen vapor
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Ohhhh okok, I figured maybe a %attack would get multiplied better somehow and affect my hex too maybe

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Like I dont know if my attack affects Dark Side or not

fair horizon
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dark side is bad with torches magick spam, only use it if you need the iframes

formal pulsar
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it doesnt normally

keen vapor
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Oh okok I'll stick to Fine Line then

fair horizon
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better hexes for torches are total eclipse and phase shift, which allow you to keep spamming

keen vapor
keen vapor
fair horizon
keen vapor
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Is it really spamming if I wait 12 seconds tho?

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And the healing thing isnt even fun, like I just wanna do damage tbh

fair horizon
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the big guns are your torches omega-attack + fine line, etc.

but of course you play the game for fun, just experiment and have fun

keen vapor
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True true, in this build I dont really care about the attack that much I purely do this to try out maxed Hexes honestly x)

fair horizon
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the problem with dark side is that you cannot use your regular moveset and dark side's moveset is disappointing damage wise and a bit awkward

keen vapor
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But I get the efficiency perspective on it

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True, I laughed outloud being afk with a laser and doing that three times tho I can't lie

formal pulsar
magic moss
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magic moss
# magic moss https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230181039196995706/1363386194918113432/i...

So how the code breakdown works from my understanding and testing. This is for an encounter where you have Gorgon's Amulet equipped and the encounter spawns a natural Athena

  1. The Athena keepsake code in TraitData_Keepsake runs and calls the function HandleAthenaSpawn with the args as listed. Note that the variable **Force **is not defined.
  2. In HandleAthenaSpawn, the function runs and checks for the region itself. It sees that the Olympus encounter that can potentially spawn Athena has the variable BlockAthenaEncounterKeepsake set to true, but also that args.Force has not been defined (aka "nil") and therefore the If statement meets its condition and the code within is run. As a result, the function is returned prematurely.
  3. The function HandleAthenaSpawn is called once again, this time from EncounterData_Athena if the encounter naturally spawns Athena. Here, you can see that args.Force is defined as true
  4. In HandleAthenaSpawn, once again BlockAthenaEncounterKeepsake is true. This time around, args.Force is now defined and set to true, meaning the If statement conditions are not met and the code does not run to prematurely stop the function
  5. The next bit of code is just to handle waiting until you are at the last wave.
  6. Once the encounter meets its condition to continue, it checks to see if the encounter was skipped via Dio's keepsake. If it did, prematurely end the function. If it didn't, the function continues to run
  7. Then the funtion checks to see if you have Athena's keepsake. If you do, reduce the number of keepsake uses (so it consumes the charge) and set the rarity. This is where the placebo happens, since the keepsake was reduced as a result of the natural spawn and NOT because of the keepsake summoning.
  8. FINALLY, spawn Athena
keen vapor
fair horizon
keen vapor
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It's my second favorite build after improvising with the twin blades & going hard on Hephae's boons

keen vapor
magic moss
fair horizon
keen vapor
fair horizon
formal pulsar
formal pulsar
magic moss
fair horizon
keen vapor
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Ah thats a bummer, good to know tho

formal pulsar
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no reimbusements. you just get scammed

steel wave
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guys i have to do a fear 20 run with the axe and kill typhon, what should i grab and not grab? also any build/gameplay tips would help

magic moss
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funnily enough, Heracles and Nemesis have the variable set to true, but Artemis doesn't so Athena can just spawn in Artemis rooms hence you see the double

fair horizon
keen vapor
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Lack of damage but it is what it is

magic moss
fair horizon
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ah but the problem is that the keepsake still doesn't force itself upon GeneratedP encounters

something's afoot 🧐

steel wave
magic moss
# fair horizon ah but the problem is that the keepsake still doesn't force itself upon Generate...

its why im not 100% confident despite a lot of testing

  1. GeneratedP has BlockAthenaEncounterKeepsake set to false, so there theoretically should be Athena keepsake viable encounters but I haven't been able to properly test since i don't fully understand how Olympus encounters are generated
  2. BlockDionysusEncounterKeepsake is also true, so there may be an issue with my understanding of how the SpawnsSkipped variable works so I'll need to test to try and get a run where dio keepsake procs at the same time as Athena's natural spawn tries to
formal pulsar
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and what blue heart things?

magic moss
formal pulsar
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oh yeah dont use wards for 20 fear

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but which axe you playing?

magic moss
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nvm did a lot more testing and i did i got it

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So how the code breakdown works based on my understanding and testing. This is for an encounter where you have Gorgon's Amulet equipped and the encounter spawns a natural Athena

Some important things to know and understand before I dive into the code:

BlockAthenaEncounterKeepsake (aka BAEK): A variable that is used to prevent Gorgon Amulet from spawning Athena in times where she shouldn't. This includes shops, NPC rooms like Arachne, Minibosses, Fountains, etc. Most regions encounters has this set to false. What is important to note is that for every other region, the encounters have the variable BAEK set to false, meaning even though args.Force is not defined, the If check still fails to stop the function prematurely. This is why Athena's keepsake works everywhere else.

Olympus Encounter Generation: Olympus encounters are generated with a PreCombat encounter at the start of every room. This is why you always see some enemies as you enter the room. This PreCombat is generated based on GeneratedP_PreCombat, and it has the BAEK variable set to true. Since it is encoded as a 1 wave encounter, without this, Athena's keepsake would activate as its condition for being the last wave in the encounter is met, and would spawn before the actual encounter itself happens. Afterwards, the actual encounter itself is based on something called GeneratedP, which is the foundation of all Olympus encounters and more importantly has the BAEKvariable set to false.

Now that we got that out of the way, heres the code explanation:

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  1. The Olympus encounter generates with PreCombat generation running before the actual encounter generation, and BAEK is set to true.
  2. The Athena keepsake code in TraitData_Keepsake runs and calls the function HandleAthenaSpawn with the args as listed. Note that the variable **Force **is not defined.
  3. In HandleAthenaSpawn, the function runs and the first If statement checks for BAEK and whether args.Force is set to true
  4. Due to what is presumably a code oversight, the actual encounter generation did not flip BAEK to false, meaning this flag is never turned off. In addition, args.Force has not been defined (aka "nil") during the function call. As a result, the If statement conditions are met and the function is returned prematurely.
  5. The function HandleAthenaSpawn is called once again, this time from EncounterData_Athena if the encounter naturally spawns Athena. Here, you can see that args.Force is defined as true.
  6. In HandleAthenaSpawn, BAEK is once again true, this time as a result of the actual Athena encounter. However, this time args.Force is now defined and set to true, meaning the If statement conditions are not met and the code does not run to prematurely stop the function
  7. The next bit of code is just to handle waiting until you are at the last wave.
  8. Once the encounter meets its condition to continue, it checks to see if the encounter was skipped via Dio's keepsake (which is what I presume SpawnsSkipped is referring to). If it did, prematurely end the function. If it didn't, the function continues to run
  9. Then the funtion checks to see if you have Athena's keepsake. If you do, reduce the number of keepsake uses (so it consumes the charge) and set the rarity. This is where the placebo happens, since the keepsake was reduced as a result of the natural spawn and NOT because of the keepsake summoning.
  10. FINALLY, spawn Athena
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Important to note, it is unclear whether SGG intended for Amulet to not work in Olympus. If they did intend for Amulet to not work in Olympus, then this is not an oversight. If they didn’t, then it is.

After delving deeper, I am of the opinion that it is a bug and oversight given SGG’s history of clear communication with these kinds of exceptions along with the fact that GeneratedP has BAEK set to false

woeful saddle
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hey, is there anything good i could do with lim and oros? (sister blades) cant really think of anything good, aside from a set with aspect of pan

surreal hazel
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Both of the others are fine tbh

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Mel daggers work fine with omega attack and regular special

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Artemis is for cheesing invuln through silly things and then using crit omega attacks

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Both of them also don't have the problems pan can cause with homing daggers homing undesirably

woeful saddle
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True, I should probably play with them more but other unlocks i can see potential in and have seen potential in. This potential i cant see in the twin blades

stable herald
#

the backstab damage from Mel Blades really adds up, it's not to be scoffed at

fair horizon
# magic moss nvm did a lot more testing and i did i got it

Both RoomDataO.lua (Thessaly) and RoomDataP.lua (Olympus) use the same technique for "multiple encounters in a single room". The key MultipleEncountersData is set to lists of viable encounters: Intros + PreCombats, Defaults. The Intros and PreCombats cannot spawn Athena via keepsake (BAEK set to true).

These are the functions which AFAIK handle the Thessaly ships encounters:

https://imgur.com/Mj6uSbt

Imgur
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Not sure of the equivalent Olympus functions, but there's what seems to be an equivalent structure for Athena:

    {
        { FunctionName = "BeginAthenaEncounter" },
        { FunctionName = "HandleEnemySpawns" },
        { FunctionName = "CheckForAllEnemiesDead" },
        { FunctionName = "PostCombatAudio" },
        { FunctionName = "SpawnRoomReward" },
    },

The function BeginAthenaEncounter only checks that there's more than exactly one encounter in the room, for example.

magic moss
wild pine
#

Does anyone know what exactly the Ares and Hera boons that give +% "damage from olympians" actually do? I'm assuming they apply to any boons that create one instantaneous direct damage procs such as direct damage casts (ares/apollo/hephaestus), omega-riders (fine line, combustion, the splashy water one), etc. Things I'm uncertain about:

  • Do they apply to damage over time procs from curses like scorch?
  • I'm assuming they don't apply to ordinary attack/special weapon damage, even if you have a boon enhancing that with a +%. But if you have bonus power from an olympian effect such as Wound or Secret Crush, would that then get the olympian damage boost?
  • Are any boon givers not considered olympians? I'd guess Icarus and Medea probably shouldn't be. I could go either way on Hades.

Actually unrelated question about scorch: do global damage modifiers increase the amount of scorch applied, or the amount suffered from scorch ticks, or both, or neither?

formal pulsar
wild pine
wild pine
formal pulsar
heavy stream
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so... i kinda ruined hades 1 for myself by always going excalibur+aphrodite, after not finding anything else even close to that in terms of how well i did with it.
...and i'm already noticing myself doing the same with the axe right now.
how do you guys break this pattern? I know I'm making the game repetitive for myself but at the same time anything else feels bad.

fair horizon
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play outside your comfort zone from time to time

only you can change your own ways, only you can find ways of extracting enjoyment from new things

heavy stream
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i mean, when i do try i go from feeling like a god to feeling like a wet towel. it doesn't feel like trying things is accomplishing anything sometimes because of the sheer difference.

fair horizon
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you need to give other builds a fair chance, what have you tried outside the axe? what builds?

heavy stream
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lim and oros feel okay (just like the gauntlets did in H1) i guess, the staff feels like it could be fine too but the stats have been lackluster imx.

my main problem when going with other builds is just how much fights drag onnnn, meaning if i encounter any miniboss that's a problem i will just lose the run here and then

fair horizon
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if encounters are dragging on then you are not building good or maybe you aren't using the weapon to its full capacity

also what's your arcana setup? (you can share images through imgur.com or from other discord servers)

uneven palm
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Yeah seeing how high-fear lunatics use a weapon can be illuminating. You kinda can’t be too far off from optimal to get through Erebus

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And the majority of those clears have videos

heavy stream
heavy stream
fair horizon
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Switching Death for Strength can give you a leg up

Switching Huntress + Eternity for Origination can give you another leg up

heavy stream
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how is huntress not crazy /genq

fair horizon
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only affects your regular attack/special, not omegas and not effects like poseidon waves or zeus blitz etc

it's good on magickless builds:

  • Mel/Medea skull,
  • Mel blades,
  • Mel/Thanatos axe
  • Mel coat

so most builds don't care much for Huntress

it also doesn't activate if you prime out completely

uneven palm
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It’s ok but all the flat damage gods (Zeus, Poseidon, Heph, Hestia) benefit a lot more from the global damage boost from Origination

junior trail
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and most magickless build mostly benefits with glamour since its 1/2 curse for origination, but its also passive regen so nono for the huntress

heavy stream
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i usually don't take a magick regen boon at all tbh (unless it's born gain or similar), but yeah i can see it

fair horizon
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also note that at full grasp you can have both Origination and Huntress if you wish

heavy stream
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true true

half condor
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hey quick question whats some of the best ways for magick regen besides lucid gain?

formal pulsar
cursive oyster
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if you aren’t spending comical amounts of mana ionic gain is decent as well

compact ingot
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How does dodge chance affect armor and the lovers card? Is dodge active while I have them or does dodge chance only happen afterwards?

uneven palm
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Dodge check is first

keen vapor
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Day 4 of not finding my missing chaos curse, f*** chant

royal ledge
keen vapor
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That's with the keepsake too lol

royal ledge
keen vapor
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I didn't even know you could have more than one chaos boon

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That's insane, maybe I'll get good rng in the next 50 hours

royal ledge
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Unrelated: does anyone know if anything happens if you sell King's Ransom at a pool of purging? i.e. are the bonus levels lost?

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Nevermind, the wiki has the answer: No, selling the boon at a pool of purging does not undo its effects.

royal ledge
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@west depot You only need 8 of one element for Tall Order to work.

west depot
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So i have learned - thought the old requirements carried over and failed to notice the "or" there. 😛

thin ridge
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Glamour gain is decent if you don’t use a lot of magic

thin ridge
royal ledge
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Does Brave Face (Automatically use Magick to resist up to 50% of any damage) interact with Chaos's blessings of Talent (You use -50% Magick)?

junior trail
heavy stream
sinful moon
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@royal ledge i think you can even get it again if you sell it...

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Which hexes are actually good? Slow time and moonwater or?

stable herald
# sinful moon Which hexes are actually good? Slow time and moonwater or?

Wolf Howl is excellent for positioning, and can deal some good damage if upgraded. People like Total Eclipse but imo without upgrades it's too slow. I like Darkside for the free invincibility but even upgraded the damage is weak - not recommended for speedrunning. Lunar Ray can deal some big damage even without upgrades.

Twilight Curse and Night Bloom are my least favorites but idk if they're necessarily bad

cold raven
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and yeah, phase shift and moonwater are basically the safe options where it's rarely "bad" to take them, especially when you're still learning the game

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Eventually you might get good enough at the game where you don't need moon water for its healing as much (or you might be running vow of scars) but even then, the blue upgrades are good (invincibility for 2s, 50% dmg buff for 5s). Unlike something like lunar ray where it's at its best when you invest in it all the way to purple upgrades

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For phase shift, it has both good blue and purple upgrades that give nice DPS boosts and is probably the option that just works

grand pumice
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I like the heal hex

formal pulsar
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Wolf howl is best if you don’t have a lot of magick consumption and want iframes every now and then and it works without much investment in path of stars. Phase time is best if you have high magick consumption but not sure whether you will heavily invest in path of stars. It provides a really good benefit off the bat and can be a big dps upgrade with the +20% crit upgrade. Total eclipse is bad at base form but becomes the best with high magick consumption if you get the impervious purple upgrade (I would even say equip the Selene keepsake if I get it).

Moon water is good on low fear but loses values the higher the fear.

Everything else is pretty sad.

woven niche
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OOOOOH BABY HERA MADE MY BLITZ HEROIC

XINITH TRIPLE DASH STRIKE 300 DAMAGE BLITZ 😭

bleak night
woven niche
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along with special hitch (almost 100%+ dmg), epic artemis special critical boon, and chaos giving my omega moves 100%+ dmg 😭 then extended family giving me +50% dmg

holding down right click hits like a TRUCKK

woven niche
wintry fiber
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are you running crit

bleak night
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Blitz tbf kinda goes hard with Arcana, the damage doubles with Furies, Strength and Origination

woven niche
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holy crap yes i'm in love

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this was my first run with actual heat on (i tried 10!) and it was the fastest i've killed chronos

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alright hera and zeus are my fav couple rn

bleak night
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Zeus and Aphro for the Duo are turbo funny if you wanna give it a go

woven niche
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wait.. is that my love!? MY MERCIFUL END?! IN THE SECOND GAME!?

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that was the one duo boon that i think could take even kratos down back in hades

errant tusk
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just tried a nyx run for the first time and i have no clue how to play that aspect, any tips bc it feels really awkward

magic moss
cursive oyster
woven niche
errant latch
woven niche
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i.... come to you bearing aquatic beasts?

sage flame
errant latch
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man, artemis keepsake is the epitome of "the best status effect is dead" eh?

errant latch
cold raven
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Blitz can hit into like the 5000s crits with just a modest king's ransom and romantic spark

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But if you somehow purge king's ransom and get it again, while also getting Echo's pom pom pom, you can probably have a zeus legendary as your blitz lol

uneven palm
cold raven
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I didnt even get success rate and only had common double strike....

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If that's enough to see 4k crits, then yeahhhhhh

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I would avoid arc flash since that can trigger your blitz early before you can dash into the enemy

timber pawn
woven niche
uneven palm
timber pawn
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ah ya extended family does some pretty serious work w/ Blitz

woven niche
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12321

cold raven
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You can also do the funny stuff with ares support and infusion

keen vapor
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Does Destructive Array and Looming Ignition work with Aspect of Medea for the silver skull weapon?

sage flame
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looming works

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destructive array prob works but you won't get much value out of it probably

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but im sure it probably does it's damage

keen vapor
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I see, I thought it wouldnt do anything since the skulls don't technically land anywhere

keen vapor
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Day 7 of not finding the Chant chaos curse

sage flame
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brutal

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i think the first time i got it was from the embryo lmao

keen vapor
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I've had it all along and it doesn't matter so far lol

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Even when I got 3 chaos gate, never seen it

thin ridge
thin ridge
cursive oyster
# thin ridge No

there’s some merit to shutting down half or more of a tartarus/olympus room for 5-10 seconds

thin ridge
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It’s just wildly inconstient

cursive oyster
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it’s one of the handful of hexes that’s strong right out the gate too

thin ridge
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The projectiles are really bad at tracking and it doesn’t have damage

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It’s unclear who’s resistant

keen vapor
cursive oyster
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all normal room enemies are vulnerable to it

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instantly shutting down chronos’s 1.4 and 2.2 adds makes the phases way easier

thin ridge
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The fact that it’s completely useless against bosses most of the time is really lame

thin ridge
magic moss
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PLIMBO-SCRIMBLY

cursive oyster
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especially vierophants

thin ridge
cursive oyster
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humility extending the duration by 2 seconds with a common node is also really strong

keen vapor
thin ridge
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Did you finish all the pets

keen vapor
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I'm missing one pet and I think it's in Olympus

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Just got the dog

thin ridge
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No I mean did u finish upgrading them

keen vapor
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The bird I'm using is maxed out

thin ridge