h2-builds-and-combat

[mint nexus]

Ok

Pan blades wave flourish build, going for kings tide arterial spray and Apollo legendary

Is Dancing Knives or Melting Sickle better?

[uneven palm]

If you’ve got Hordes on or have trouble with room clear generally Dancing is nice. If you have trouble with armor, minibosses, or are just on the surface I’d consider Melting

Tap special delete mega dragon armor feels good

[desert mist]

whos the best god for momus

[magic moss]

hera

[fair horizon]

Hera, Zeus, Ares, Demeter, Hephaestus (for his cast), and honorable mention for Hermes' Winner's Circle

[magic moss]

but tbh all the gods except heph and hestia can work

[jovial pivot]

What's the best regen for momus?

[fair horizon]

Born Gain is the best regen boon

[magic moss]

hestia zeus aphro hera they all work

[civic ocean]

Unseen is good, any gain is good

[viscid wave]

Roughly how much magick do you need for born gain to not just Hurt/run out real fast on a mana hungry build?

[sinful marlin]

150-200 seems good

[formal pulsar]

what's a fun selene build?

I tried the blitz on the attack with the hex but i dunno, it didnt click. maybe I am missing something

[bleak night]

Waves on Attack with Ferocity isn't bad

just extra Waves ticks during Sky Fall while you already dash attack around

[formal pulsar]

but that's same way you play mel coat, right? wave attack with static shock and master conductor (if you get it). it's a good build, I played it repeatedly but does selene have any unique builds?

[bleak night]

Controlled Burn or Fine Line is nice to have so your Hex comes back sooner off of Omega Spec spam since it comes back quicker

if you want Ferocity, Apollo and Aphro are bugged and do nothing for it, damage doesn't increase

[formal pulsar]

okay i will try the omega spec spam with controlled burn and wound maybe. never really played the hestia ares duo all that much

thank you :3

[bleak night]

never tried Fourth Degree on it yet,h m

[sinful moon]

Been playing with Selene as Mynt typed out for me

^ @formal pulsar

[formal pulsar]

Thank you and mynt

[sinful moon]

Been shredding with it

Do watch his video below the comment to get an idea, he also has different arcana cards. Thought about it today too, now I noticed he had diff ones and I agree. I'd have to try but I think it's just better

Now I'm onto charons axe and I need to figure that one out 🤣. But probably demeter cast or aphro, Apollo would be great too I guess...

Actually ares, poseidon probably slap too... Hera idk...

Hera special would slap? Anyone has some input?

[civic ocean]

Yeah that sounds good

Charon you can do a lot with because the weapon is very high damage

So mostly you just want to focus on mana hp and speed

then take like one or two things that synergize with what you are doing

[bleak night]

it's mix and match as long as you have Apollo on Gain and you force Poseidon later on for Geyser Spout once you have a Cast

Hera on Special and Dem on Cast is super reliable, so feel free to just use that

[formal pulsar]

For Charon I like Zeus>hera>ares>Apollo on the special. Not sure what other people like the most

[civic ocean]

I also find that -origination +Unseen is really good for your mana for the first two biomes of both regions and I never end up missing 50% damage on Charon

[bleak night]

tbh just run Origination and try to meet that asap and you're kinda chilling, Geyser Spout isn't 100% needed but it's still just really good

[bleak night]

why run Unseen if you get Lucid Gain asap anyway? I don't even run Hecuba anymore if I have onion off since it's infinite MP

just room 1 unlimited MP

[civic ocean]

Well if you run Unseen you don't get Lucid Gain right away obviously

Just a diff way you can approach the weapon

[bleak night]

k

I know you like trying to break the mold a lot, so I'm not going to further comment

[formal pulsar]

What I hate about lucid gain tbh is the 6 agonizing seconds you have to wait for the cast to expire if you miss the cast or had to move

[bleak night]

yeah, that's fair. I made that mistake a few times in my run

[formal pulsar]

I sometimes take winners circle because it makes less painful

[civic ocean]

surely not on Charon

[bleak night]

a good tip is to just regenerate in a safe spot, you don't necessarily have to put the cast on the enemy for damage all the time, just plant it at your feet, far from enemies, then Omega Special at them

[formal pulsar]

I don’t take it more than common and 3s is still plenty of time for the cast imo

[bleak night]

kind of a wasted Hermes pickup sometimes when you can get Racing Thoughts, Money, Nitro Boost, etc. I recommend just grabbing something else

[civic ocean]

What in your mind is the benefit of taking Winner's Circle on Charon? I could gain some insight here

[bleak night]

a thing I still forget to do on Charon is to just restore my MP when there are no enemies around

[past salmon]

What they said, if they mess up lucid gain it's less painful to get magick back

[bleak night]

margin for error in essence, which I understand

[formal pulsar]

Most of my deaths with Charon involves running out of magick and putting the cast in a spot that I have to stay close by defenseless for 6seconds.

It is not good if you play optimally ofc but mistakes happen

[civic ocean]

Interesting. Have you thought about taking a different gain, then, instead? Nova Flourish is still pretty crazy on Charon tbh

[bleak night]

Born and Mortal aren't bad on it ye

[past salmon]

I mean the solution is to just run lucid gain and not screw up

[civic ocean]

Why do you get some sort of reward for winning the run with Lucid

[formal pulsar]

hat’s true. But I also gained a lot of respect for mortal gain in general.

[wise idol]

Yeah just practicing with lucid is a better idea than settling for other gains imo

[bleak night]

Lucid Gain is so good because it isn't heavily resource reliant, but execution reliant. The other 2 need resources, Born more so than Mortal

[past salmon]

You get the reward of lucid gain being objectively the best gain on Charon 🔥

[bleak night]

you can get Lucid and just call it a day, MP-wise, as long as your max MP is enough to support 1 or 2 Omega Specs

[civic ocean]

Now that you can just put 100 mana on your build between biomes I don't even think Lucid is better than Born on Charon really

[bleak night]

then put something else on instead

[past salmon]

At the cost of a keepsake sure
I think Lucid is better lol

[formal pulsar]

I think lucid is practically made for Charon plays tbh. It is a skill issue on my part

[bleak night]

Not everyone that starts Born Gain or Mortal Gain will know to handle their MP pool for extended locations like ships and fields rooms

[past salmon]

I'd rather the gain that instantly solves my magick problem than having to run an extra keepsake to make born super good.

Mind you born is good, especially with Hecuba, I just think Lucid is better

[civic ocean]

Yeah, just like not everyone that plays Lucid will be able to use the cast properly, etc etc. I think the best gain for each player sorta depends on how they like to play the aspect, like I know some people like to keep distance and ranged cast it

[bleak night]

[past salmon]

I mean sure
I just like to base the strength off stuff on their actual strength personally

[civic ocean]

Yeah I get you

[past salmon]

Maybe a crazy take

[civic ocean]

Nah it's cool I think it's fun to think about optimal stuff

[silent crow]

i wonder what the pickrate of apollo special on charon is im gonna go check

[civic ocean]

Where do we get to see that stuff

[silent crow]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit?gid=1617442120#gid=1617442120

[past salmon]

In your mind's eye

[civic ocean]

Oh, 50's interesting, I wonder how well Sword Charon does at 50

[formal pulsar]

what's sword charon?

[civic ocean]

The two sword duos on the ring

You can replace your cast really fast with charon so you get lots of swords

[formal pulsar]

aaaah

[civic ocean]

I think it probably has a path to 50 UW, Surface seems a bit hard

Wards is not great for it but not impossible

[magic moss]

not many charon clears so heres from olympic patch https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1350668478431887563/image.png?ex=67d7938b&is=67d6420b&hm=43115261cbb0f0acde1a443e6b8858257b5c823319f2d8b69e5960057ac86778&

i just moved the olympic patch misc stats to the resources sheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mD3_B1UgVrVTnQtYkqG0bZBmDATxh2YwwZCuqbMa9ks/edit?usp=sharing

[bleak night]

Hera's always just reliable for it

the disparity in the Cast section is hilariously telling though

[silent crow]

is zeus actually good for this it feels weird to put flat dmg on ospecial

[civic ocean]

It pops right away right

[silent crow]

props to that one fellow who used glamour gain charon 😭

[civic ocean]

based

[sinful moon]

Maybe he misclicked and made it work

[bleak night]

its not the worst

[sinful moon]

Although you'd probably reset before that

[bleak night]

the Blitz get the Orig bonus before it pops, but there are better things yeah

[magic moss]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1f5fZWgMoWzqCsnimz5dfqY_vdoc3Y60n/view?usp=sharing

it was a 53F clear, so a lot more understandable

[sinful moon]

Such as?

Nova and sworn?

[civic ocean]

Probably Wounds too tbh

if you get the crit stuff

[sinful moon]

Why would ares be good?

[civic ocean]

If you get Grievous you can crit, if you run origination it procs it

[bleak night]

Hera, Dem and Ares aren't bad choices, though I only get Dem if I don't have Arctic Ring

[signal coral]

feels like ares is justifiable on basically every build tbh

he is a regular god with multiplicative scaling boons

which is a super desirable trait that is hard to get

[sinful moon]

His duos are strong too like holy hell

[magic moss]

lmfaooooo the full 50 fear archive has hit 5 gb of storage now

[indigo badger]

With the Axe, each hit of the special counts as its own individual strike?

[civic ocean]

they're three hits iirc yeah

Same with the blades third attack

[indigo badger]

so 3 triggers of "oh hit" effects like the zeus prime thing

[signal coral]

yes

[civic ocean]

Yes, also the Melting special hammer says "35%" but it hits 3 times so it essentially deletes armor

[signal coral]

though unfortunately the axe special is generally worse than attack, so its mostly used as a supplemental button

(obviously not including charon, which is omega-special focused)

[indigo badger]

oh nice, wait that means that any power increase like hestia's infusion would make the axe do the funny?

[civic ocean]

It could yeah if you wanted to go in that direction

It doesn't have support from the aspects but you could try it

[signal coral]

its just unfortunate since both mel and thanatos axe have specific support for attack

and charon is its own weirdo playstyle

[civic ocean]

Something like support fire static shock and hera special could work

[indigo badger]

i just like to cycle trough regular attacks and specials, feels more responsive than chaining regular attacks

[signal coral]

usually special on axe is used to apply status or to cancel the big bonk

[indigo badger]

guess i could get Demeter's special so i could do 1-2-special-3 to confirm the big bonk

[signal coral]

so instead of swing, swing, big bonk, if its too unsafe to do that you can do swing, swing, special

and then the next attack will be a swing instead of the big bonk because you interrupted the combo with special

[indigo badger]

just realized that i have been using the Axe wrong

im supposed to use it like a Dead Cells Green weapon

[signal coral]

this doesnt work because after you special, the next basic attack will be the first swing again in the combo

[indigo badger]

im literally on a run doing this

[civic ocean]

Yeah combos like this you can play around with

[signal coral]

wait does special not break the attack combo?

i thought it did...

maybe if you mash attack fast enough then the big bonk will still come out, idk

[silent crow]

TRUE DEAD CELLS

[indigo badger]

im using the axe like the tombstone from dead cells, now it makes so much sense

if I make the cast expire faster trough Hermes boon, do i lose on activations of effects like hephastus cast?

becasue description says "activates 3 times", but stats says "each 1 second"

[silent crow]

on some casts it makes activation effects faster (works for heph), for others it cuts them down (zeus, hestia)

winner circle + anvil ring is a very strong combo

[indigo badger]

oh, just got both on epic rarity, run is looking good

new main attack adquired i guess

[uneven palm]

IIRC ya can get off attack attack special chop but it’s tight.

Might have to buffer the attack while the special is going, I haven’t Mel axed in a bit.

[indigo badger]

apparently you can do some very stupid stuff between axe swings, you can even do both the cast and special mid swing

that looks like one nasty way of getting the extra damage from the origin arcana

timing is tight tough

[dense moss]

it's been so long since I last got Thirst on the Axe that I forgot how to use it
my first non-Typhon loss in like, 5 nights

for some reason I get assigned either the Coat or the Skulls like 80% of the time

[void idol]

yeah it has a very different playstyle compared to every other weapon

and if you have frenzy 2 on the axe becomes very fun to effectively use such that you don't die to packed chambers

[bleak night]

just did a 50f surface Persephone run and actually using the aspect

Lightning Lance is just really important on that thing, since it counts as Cast damage

your meter fills up that much quicker just by having it

[void idol]

i don't get the point of persephone

if you want to omega special spam then you could do that with medea and also get in a little attack damage at the same time

[bleak night]

I'll upload the run

It actually makes sense when it gets going, but otherwise it feels bad

it has extended invulnerability and benefits from cast builds

[void idol]

no like I'm sure there's viable ways to use it, but it requires so much set up that it makes more sense to use anything else

[bleak night]

I agree, yeah. I did use it just so I can see if I can upstairs though

[void idol]

i cant even get a normal 16 f clear on persephone 😦

i cant even imagine doing it on the surface

[bleak night]

Arctic Ring start + Lightning Lance helps it a ton ngl

[void idol]

what about clang gang

[bleak night]

it's good, but I 100% needed Arctic Ring for 50f or the enemies just ran me through

[void idol]

but then i would probably never use the o special at all

[formal pulsar]

persephone loves geyser spout and winner circle. you feel the meter in one o cast thatt way. I havent tried lightning lance because i hate aiming boons on the controller

[bleak night]

I play on controller, ngl lightning lance isn't that bad

[void idol]

common geyser spout?

[bleak night]

I'll upload the run hold on

[void idol]

what's the required rarity to fill it in one o cast

[void idol]

do you have any 16f surface circe runs, cause I've also been finding that aspect very weird and tough to use properly

[formal pulsar]

from what I remember the glory meter or whatever it is called now gets fully filled if you deal 1600 dmg with the cast. at rare rarity geyser spout with local climate deal over 1k

[bleak night]

I mean I have a 50f one if that still works for you lol

if it works there, it'll work in anything under

but tbh if you can't get Circe working, just play it with static shock and hera attack with zeus special lol

go play manaless, it's still really strong

[void idol]

I've never tried that

[void idol]

ok then so just normal spam

[bleak night]

My Mel Staff run is like that if you wanna see how it goes, but basically yeah

Blitz on Attack with Wound on Special https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhF31y083LE

also features Clang Gang

[bleak night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x65tT-IZoSk

[civic ocean]

It's unpopular but I like Glorious Disaster on Persephone, very satisfying to watch and pretty easy to play.

[void idol]

would aphro attack work better

[bleak night]

for Pers ?

get an Epic or Heroic rarity Apollo Attack and find Dem for Weed Killer and you can just play that

[glossy forge]

all it took was a heroic lightning lance and heroic arctic ring 💀

[bleak night]

[surreal stratus]

Does the huntress activate if you have magick primed, or you do still need to use some to activate it?

[willow phoenix]

You need to use some to activate it

[weak wave]

but for some things such as uncanncy fort primed magick doesnt reduce how it calculates out your HP increase but most effects that have a "less than max magick" clause treat your max as the reduced amount after priming

[weak wave]

Is there a specific subreddit for hades 2 builds and such

i really don't use reddit much and a few searches of hades 2 builds in google didnt yield much

[uneven palm]

Any big guide writers are kinda holding off because ya gotta rewrite everything each major patch

(I speak from experience here)

[stoic tinsel]

say zeus is good on momus staff right?

[weak wave]

more so just looking for a more organized way to discuss and look at current discussions of builds for the most recent patches. I like the discord but scrolling through hundreds of messages and sometimes multiple discussions at the same time is a bit annoying sometimes lol

[silent crow]

yes

[uneven palm]

I hear ya. Unfortunately here is just kinda where the conversation is atm

[weak wave]

ah, fair enough like i said don't use reddit much but out of all the places i figured my best chance to find a more dedicated place for discussions on builds might have been there thanks anyways

[civic ocean]

Not really a discussion place but I am halfway through my build sheet here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSm2KltkfvUcVAxeqa8TE1Ix1N1u5I2bgC94rUjXs1tegyOZoeVM0H_JVuyNDEmYB5Sl-CxCTA7FLlV/pubhtml Will probably finish this today or tomorrow

[stoic tinsel]

hmm, dual moonshot or aetheric moonburst...

oh I have to hold longer for the powershot

[bleak night]

just do Dual Moonshot

two Omega Specials isn't bad at all, just gotta get close though. Chargetime is fast though

[stoic tinsel]

frenzy 2 on the surface is kicking my ass

[bleak night]

get Arctic Ring

Dem in general helps you in surface runs immensely

[stoic tinsel]

I did have arctic ring

[bleak night]

what are you specifically dying to

[stoic tinsel]

my dash being bound to R1

I'm more consistent at doing the dash tech but it's really messing with my basic game sense

[bleak night]

do an Athena start and just hope Pos is there, otherwise reroll the doors for him

that way you can get Divine Dash sooner and get punished less lol

[stoic tinsel]

elmao

[bleak night]

I mean, honestly it's not the worst strat

[civic ocean]

You’ll get there

Just gotta stick with it

[stoic tinsel]

honestly I'm peeved that I forgot that I also did this in H1

[civic ocean]

Try cast r2

Or l1 I use xbox trigger buttons

[cerulean trellis]

Does God Mode make this game as easy as h1

[civic ocean]

I think god mode is a bit more modular in this game but - probably?

I think the base game is a little easier than H1 atm with the extra content being slightly harder

[formal pulsar]

I have both cast and dodge on shoulder buttons. It was hard to adjust to but it really helped my game a lot.

[cerulean trellis]

I'm worried about the grind for materials in full release

[bleak night]

I was watching Mysterra play H2 and he switches his control scheme on every weapon lmao

wish I could rewire my brain so easily like that

[formal pulsar]

I cannot do that . My brain is fried. I would mashing buttons from my previous weapons and rage if I did that xd

[bleak night]

I can't either, but Myst does it for every weapon in H1, where he winstreaks at like 60 Heat or something

I guess it's just a habit to switch out control schemes to suit the weapon better ?

[formal pulsar]

Speaking of, do you have high heat clears for h1 mynt. Or did you get into high fear in h2?

[bleak night]

I played H1 on the Switch when I was really into it, so not really. I do 40-45s for fun sometimes but I'm not that cracked at it

[dense moss]

in general, is there any advantage to Priming Magick?
like are there any Boons or anything that synergize with it? "Damage increase based on how much Magick you gave Primed" or anything?
or is it just a downside to balance some of the more powerful Boons?

[bleak night]

downside to balance magick builds from utilizing things that are too strong with no drawback

for magickless builds like Mel Axe, Mel Skull, Medea, Mel Blades, etc, they don't quite care about priming MP

[civic ocean]

The only real advantage to priming magick at this point is that you can prime over your limit.

So if I have 50 mana and I prime out 50 mana, provided I am not using my mana to deal damage, all prime effects are essentially free now

[dense moss]

I lean on Cast so much with every weapon and aspect that I never truly have a Magickless build 🥴

and Mel Axe I love Attack a lot too

[civic ocean]

Then you probably don’t like priming very much I would imagine!

[dense moss]

generally not, but if my MP is high enough I'll usually take some Prime boons for the buffs

[limber marten]

My h1 brain gets in the way a fair bit with combat in h2 with moves, I just finished grinding out fear testaments with mostly normals + zeus with some heph cast or king's ransom

[weak wave]

SAME, when i first grabbed hades 2 EA on launch i had just finished my 100% of hades 1 and i still have to force myself to remember omega moves XD

[weak wave]

i've noticed a lot of people play on controller are there techs you can't do or just easier than with MnK that make controller more attractive for so many? Because i've found especially for aiming casts that controller is just so slow and never accurate the way i want to when im running through rooms to save time on regions

[bleak night]

It's just fully dependent on what you find comfortable, but generally the 360 degree gate of controllers makes movement better, while mouse aiming is preferable for certain weapons and effects

I still do left side of controller + mouse, but I'm more comfy with a controller nowadays

[weak wave]

ah so the classic pros and cons that makes sense, tbh even with controller i never noticed a huge bump in my movement, I tried controller for probably like 50 hours in total out of my 300 ish on steam. It might just be a comfort thing for me then because the 360 makes sense but i just don't find myself needing that extra few degrees of angled movement you get from the stick vs just holding W and A keys for diag movement

Although i will say the default bind for the dash and sprint being shift was so confusing when i first started out because i've never played a top down rogue like where the dash is shift. Changed that setting right quick

[grizzled tartan]

I thought dash/sprint is space?

[weak wave]

i'm not sure if this was just the default binding for when EA first launched because i got the game day one and changed that setting so it might be diffrent now but i have it set so that both are dash/sprint

[spring holly]

In theory what is the minnum damage you can take. My theory is that you start with frosty veneer for a base 20 damage, tough gain for -3 or more but how are the % damage reduction calcuated? Like Hept/Hera reduces half but is that before or after demeter's fusion boon? What about Weak? or Apf/Posi fusion which is a base 15 %

[bleak night]

you can just pom Tough Gain to a level wherein certain things do only 1 to you because it can't do 0

[weak wave]

Do you mean in the sense of how far you can reduce an instance of damage? outside of pure resists?

[spring holly]

yeah

So a strat would be to get tough gain and Demeter fusion and a lot of life and just tank everything. I mean you prob can't pom it up that high but it's still funny

Chronos father of the gods and the titan of time and his hits feel like a light breeze

[weak wave]

in an actual run the highest damage reduction i ever got was (this is from memory so it might not be entirely accurate) was with aphro weak, tough gain and the duo which reduced proms damage from his enhanced punch in phase one to like 15 from 35 i think

[spring holly]

My main question really is if % reduction claculates of the damage dealt before Demeter's fusion of after. Like if you half 30% reduction and a damage is 100 you'd take 70 but you have Demeter's fusion so you only take 20. or does it take 30% of 20

[cursive oyster]

veneer is always the last step, so DR applies before

[spring holly]

I see so it's usless to try and stack them.

[weak wave]

yeah

[spring holly]

well wish I knew that before I tried it a bunch 🙃

[weak wave]

yeah "sadly" the devs learned a lot from hades 1 so those loopholes for busted builds that can actually just nullify a runs challenge are usually already thought of or un-intended and get fixed up pretty quick

[cursive oyster]

you can still stack a really silly amount of DR

[weak wave]

yeah you can but you can't just become invincible (insert title card here) which is what i meant by nullify a runs challenge sorry lol

[cursive oyster]

run strength, get a high level tough gain and brave face, and look for weak + broken resolve and you take 1 damage from most attacks

with warm breeze and dodge chance stacking you can :)

[weak wave]

i mean, can't take damage if you don't get hit ig XD

[cursive oyster]

hold up this is how we make 55 fear free

[weak wave]

but that requires having that goal in mind for the run usually and still doesnt make you entirely unkillable because dodge chances are calculated seperatly from what i know. I.E 5% chance for hotpot and say 15 from hermes or somethin it checks one dodge, if it doesnt dodge then it moves on and rolls it

[cursive oyster]

just don’t get hit

[weak wave]

we've solved it folks

we won hades 2

[cursive oyster]

dodge chance stacks additively except for daze

[weak wave]

really? i knew daze for sure was but i thought i had heard that dodge stacking is less effective due to how the game calculates the instances of dodge chance

[cursive oyster]

damage resistance is always multiplicative

dodge chance is usually additive

[civic ocean]

Are Brave Face and flat reductions calculated before or after the % do you know

[cursive oyster]

after

i think the order is dodge chance -> dr -> tough gain -> brave face

also chat

if an attack only does 1 damage to you brave face spends five mana to make the attack do zero damage instead

[civic ocean]

I guess get brave face and then stand in some fire to test?

[cursive oyster]

no lmao i have so much dr mel isn't taking damage from any of cerb's attacks

[civic ocean]

Hell yeah

[cursive oyster]

even when "missed" doesn't show up

[spring holly]

So what duo boons do you think suck. I'll start Hearty Appitite. 10% damage per bonus 100 life where the most you'll get is around 250-300

[civic ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-john-cena-are-you-sure-gif-5783187

[formal pulsar]

That one is pretty good it is not unusual to have 300+ hp and 30% global dmg is nothing to scoff at

The gold one on the other hand is

[civic ocean]

Worst boons IMO are probably like

Fire Walk
Word of Greater Girth
Slippery Slope
Soot Sprint
Tall Order

Air Quality

[formal pulsar]

He asked about duo boons tho. And I don’t really hate the greater girth one. I wouldn’t put in the worst boons. I feel like there are many boons worse than that

[civic ocean]

I think relative to the other stuff you get its gotta be one of the worst

Duos uhh

The Poseidon Dem duo

[silent crow]

slippery slope isnt that bad

there are a lot of cases where i want slippery slope more than other boons innthe game

[civic ocean]

5% additive damage as a status is pretty terrible like I know if you have origination it’s fine but I would much rather use like any two other statuses I feel

Except maybe naked wounds or scorch?

[formal pulsar]

I feel like people hate it because it is Poseidon only curse and he doesn’t have other super exciting stuff like heph (the other god with the same issue) I don’t hate it but I understand why people do

[civic ocean]

I just think it doesn’t do anything which is fine because Poseidon’s other stuff like very very much does things

[formal pulsar]

What I hate about it is how much it gates Poseidon duos. Feels like too much to look them behind a t2 curse boon

[civic ocean]

Is there a duo other than zeus that needs it

[formal pulsar]

Hestia steam

[civic ocean]

Oh right

[silent crow]

it scales ok with rarity

[civic ocean]

Speaking of bad duos I am not sure steam even like works properly

[formal pulsar]

Epic slippery is 15% always on global dmg. Which is good . The issue is why does it start with 5% at common?

[silent crow]

pos boosn have psychonrarity scaling in general

his cast goes from 90-270 from common to heroic

[civic ocean]

Yeah I guess the scaling is pretty good actually

Excellence gaming continues to grow in stonks

Geyser Spout rarity scaling is like 50 power or something lmao

[formal pulsar]

Geyser spout double in damage too from common to heroic

[civic ocean]

I do like excellence on Momus and it did feel really good to get rare Geyser

[weak wave]

ivew actually been looking to use this duo as apart of my testing to see how far i can push it with my "Melinoe the tank" build ive been working on where i push HP to as much as i can. I've been able to crack 1k with hearty appetite in my boon list but tbh mutual destruction from ares is just so much better because its a 200% increase for damage with its main drawback being the % chance being so low to proc it but if you have enough health that you can actually have missing its much better than appetite cuz its essentially always procing

now mutual destruction is only for weapon attacks (I think?) so if you end up getting hearty appetite its quite nice for global damage buff the main issue is that it means you need one of the demeter boons which for the "melinoe the tank" build can be annoying to get because you need boons from four different gods already to really push that max health

[civic ocean]

Yeah I have a guide going up for Hearty App and Mutual on Mel Axe I think it’s pretty fun and easy to play

[weak wave]

Yeah its super fun but for purely just trying to get the biggest HP pool possible its just out of the way

[weak wave]

Actually for topside i could see it working out as i think life affri cent heart spam is more effective than ashmaxing with uncanny fort and burnt offering so that would remove the need to grab hestia which you can replace with demeter to further increase water fitness infusion

might have to see if I can snag it on a topside run while i'm testing see how far I can push the duo at the same time

[sinful moon]

It's also more knockback which definitely bolsters defences also if you get it epic it's 15% which is nothing to scoff at

[willow phoenix]

It works properly, it's now just very hard to see. It's pretty tiny

Personally I just don't like natural selection as a duo

Golden Rule also doesn't feel that good especially on the surface where you're probably spending every single gold you have. In the UW though I guess it's pretty easy to overload on gold

[fair horizon]

There's plenty of duos which are underwhelming (or just "cool") to bad for the investment, hope they're still on the drawing board:

1. Natural Selection
2. Room Temperature
3. Killer Current (Electric Overload's cousin)
4. Thermal Dynamics (if only the Scorch helped with popping the next Blitz)
5. Seismic Hammer
6. Universal Donor (basically a +20% extra move/strike speed, might as well be a regular Hermes boon)
7. Glorious Disaster
8. Tropical Cyclone
9. Sun Worshiper
10. Ecstatic Obsession

[willow phoenix]

Ngl tropical cyclone can deal a lot of damage. It's just annoying to have it only on arctic gale as you need to stay inside the cast while the old local climate is now a duo

[fair horizon]

It's cool, it's visually cool too

Just like grandma

[willow phoenix]

And I think Sun Worshipper got buffed? The summons attack much faster than I remembered

[fair horizon]

It's indeed nice when you necromance a good one, but the ally AI can be inefficient and the resurrected foes should follow Mel around for a better feel.

It's very frustrating when you accidentally kill the first trash-mob that gets in your way. Also not particularly useful in a good number of bosses.

[steady crater]

So i just got instakilled by chronos even though it wasn't his attack where the stage goes red
I think it did happen to me before and i think it's when there's a golden circle, but i just don't get what I'm supposed to do

[fair horizon]

There's two Chronos instakills: one wants you to stand on the marked hour of the clock, and the second wants you to stand in the sandwiched circle between danger zones.

[spare kite]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/717361358081097748/1237962883048931420/SPOILER_image.png?ex=6648c307&is=66477187&hm=34baa10fc6f67999ab59eaf95f6cc2ebd9de352fd703248636afdca1c4cf4c38& this?

[steady crater]

Yeah

[spare kite]

Yeah you just stand where is not gold

[steady crater]

Hmm
What is the marked hour ?

[spare kite]

The other insta kill

[fair horizon]

the little circles around the arena are the hours on the face of a clock

the other instakill marks the safe spot quite clearly, everything red but the safe spot (the safe hour of the clock)

[steady crater]

I get the red one

The other i need to stay where it's not dark ?

[fair horizon]

yes

[steady crater]

Thanks
It will stop ruining perfectly fine runs with op damage and op life total

[fair horizon]

and as usual be careful with weapons which push you forward or backwards when you attack

[steady crater]

(I don't like instakills as game design btw)

[fair horizon]

especially on a final boss, yeah they suck

[steady crater]

With the vow of shadow, do the shadow servants respawn constantly ? That's what it seemed like to me

[spare kite]

Depends on the shadow iirc

Tail of typhon does

Charybdis/Talos don't iirc

[cursive oyster]

shadow spiller does

[fair horizon]

Only Tail of Typhon and Shadow Spiller have that mechanic, iirc

[steady crater]

Shadow spiller seemed to constantly spawn armored wailers
At least there were no thorn weepers

[fair horizon]

haven't fought Uh-Oh with shadows, nor the Twins of Typhon

hate vow of shadow for the mega-dracon and the shadow spiller 😠

[spare kite]

Shadow spiller shadows my beloved

I don't waste time killing the normal summons

[cursive oyster]

uh oh spawns two of the giant h1 rats without the poison

[fair horizon]

I mean if you have the DPS, yes easy-peasy, but shadow spiller can end your run with all those wailers wailing at you

[spare kite]

Hellifish shadow

[cursive oyster]

hellifish

[fair horizon]

those mini-hellifish

[steady crater]

That means easy right

[spare kite]

No hellifish is one of the worst minibosses lol

[steady crater]

The hippocampus ?

[fair horizon]

at least it's enjoyable to whack the baby hellifishes

[spare kite]

Oceanus miniboss

[cursive oyster]

whenever i see hellifish i just go “alright let’s get this over with” and facetank 50 damage

[steady crater]

Ok no i agree

I thought you meant sea serpent

[spare kite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT1H_dPb0KY&feature=youtu.be 😌

[fair horizon]

I just sprint in circle back to the starting spot to avoid Hellifish's initial spin attack, then clear a few babies while avoiding the ink shot, Hellifish is also susceptible to cast

[civic ocean]

A thing that I think about on mana use weapons too is buying a hex in erebus shops because twilight curse totally owns hellfish

[fair horizon]

Not sure but I think with Demeter on cast (or maybe you don't need her) the cast could be enough to stop the Hellifish from reaching the safe patch of land.

[dawn cipher]

Anyone have a few funny builds for me to try out (preferably some ares ones)?

[fair horizon]

The funniest Ares is Heinous Affront + Apollo's revenge boon, I think.

There's also Apollo/Aphrodite/Ares duos and also Demeter/Ares duo + Winner's Circle + Arctic Ring (and maybe Meat Grinder or Geyser Spout).

[dawn cipher]

Yeah, I recently tried out a ares cast run + the hermes cast boon + every ares cast duo. It was absolutely crazy

[forest hinge]

whats the word on the Black Coat aspects so far? I'd think Nyx would be best, not for the Nightspawn damage, but more for the overlapping attacks for status effects maybe? It's hard to tell in combat, but in the training area I can't tell if the Nightspawn attacks are overlapping

I just did a Selene run but i kinda doubt the extra Omega dmg was doing a whole lot for me with my Special build

[elfin forge]

I'm hoping all the materials I sell(which they say no longer have a use) won't be used in future recipes at high quantities

[spare kite]

It doesn't overlap nor spread curses

[forest hinge]

maybe I'm missing something, whats the main draw on Nyx other than some light AoE?

[spare kite]

Exactly

Nyx really needs something

[civic ocean]

Night Arcana Combos, better room clear, and that is about it

[forest hinge]

yeesh

oki looks bad for our girl Nyx, Selene I can at least see working if you do like an O-Special build with like Apollo or smth idk

[civic ocean]

Selene works pretty well with O attack as well

[forest hinge]

as for Mel-Coat, I'm thinking maybe just status based splash/scorch effects to stack them faster??

[civic ocean]

Yes Mel Coat likes on hit effects

[forest hinge]

O Attack on coat feels a little clunky to me, but I do wanna try to build around it one day

[latent marsh]

what are you favorite axe builds?

[proven citrus]

charon is charon

[forest hinge]

Charon, Apollo's Prominence Flare, Black Fleece, watch them burn

[cursive oyster]

prom flare is stinky

[proven citrus]

sometimes i like doing an aspect of melinoe run and trying to stack the heartiest appetite possible

[cursive oyster]

stops you from putting down another cast and also locks you out of geyser spout

[forest hinge]

Prom Flare was better back when it was Apollo's basic Cast boon, now its stinky cus it has a pre-req

[forest hinge]

thats what Charon's detonation is for

[cursive oyster]

you can’t place another cast while prom flare is firing

and geyser spout is one of charon’s best ways to scale

at common lv 1 it almost doubles your cast damage

prom flare locking you out of it is the nail in the coffin for it

[forest hinge]

did prom flare always lock out geyser spout?

it'd make sense if it did now that im remembering

[cursive oyster]

yea

[proven citrus]

has anyone done a fun run where the majority of their damage comes from stabbing rush?

i feel like it has the most potential out of any of the dash boons with it having 2 duos and also rallying cry potentially

[willow phoenix]

It's okayish but last time I tried it the cutting edge duo bugged with coffin nail, it only hits once while it should've hit twice

[proven citrus]

aww

[willow phoenix]

The strongest dash only build is probably just firewalk with some easy origination source from sprinting

Probably something like firewalk, dem sprint, tropical cyclone, glamour gain, and beach ball too ig

Firewalk damage is pretty big no joke

It just requires you to do nothing but sprinting which is why it's not good lol

[civic ocean]

I have just had runs where I took stabbing rush, usually to turn on Arterial Spray or Fourth Degree, and I was pretty happy with it

[proven citrus]

dem sprint is underrated i think. by me lol

i had it on typhon and it really does grind most of the bullets to a halt

[willow phoenix]

Yes the projectile slow is great

[proven citrus]

although maybe i was stacking it with hard target now that i think about it

it also helps if you're bad at running away from the sheep ball lol

[civic ocean]

I think frigid sprint is part of a way to beat 50f with Air Quality but that’s all theorycraft so far

[proven citrus]

it's kind of weird that the doom knives aren't a curse in this game but it makes sense with the implementation

that leaves demeter as the only god with two curses

[thin ridge]

Yes

[willow phoenix]

Isn't Aphro's charm technically one?

[proven citrus]

i was thinking about that but then i remembered it isn't even aphro's charm specifically

because you can only get it with a duo

it just "is charm." and also idk if it counts for orig

if you think about it it's kind of more hera's curse because she has two boons that inflict it (although one is only posthumously)

are those charmed? i don't actually remember if they're charmed or a separate thing

[willow phoenix]

Sun Worshipper is more of a summon similar to Night Bloom

Because the enemy is already dead and summoned back to life

[signal coral]

question: what hammers should I be prioritizing on staff?
ive mostly just been picking the ones that buff attack, but I'm wondering if there were particular hammers that were considered the best/if im missing out by ignoring special

[willow phoenix]

Depends on your build

But mirrored thrasher is probably always the best DPS wise if you have the magick for it

[civic ocean]

Totally depends

Like I pretty regularly take Vampiric on staff because I play with scars 3 on all the time

I do still feel that the special on staff is not meant to be built around but could be wrong

[proven citrus]

yeah i just tested it and charm does not count for origination. which, like, fair

[signal coral]

yeah that was my conclusion after coming back to the game

EA1 special was by far the best way to play
and then I come back and start playing the game again and the special feels terrible as primary dps

so I switched to mostly using attacks and taking the attack hammers

[proven citrus]

i love putting hephy on the staff special specifically because i think it's the least helpful move out of almost all of the weapons

[signal coral]

I have felt that mirrored thrasher was great, but other than that are there any standout hammers or is it just "take whatever"

[proven citrus]

yeah i just keep an eye out for the attack hammers on the staff because most of them are pretty good

why on earth is rapid thrasher incompatible with weed killer

[silent crow]

its a good dps addition to the moveset

adding blitz or wounds on special is absolutely worth

[willow phoenix]

The faster attacks hammer is fun with mel staff, insta channel omega attack is great

[latent marsh]

you inspired me and thanks to you i got an amazing run :D

[signal coral]

i assume the correct thing to do is 3 attacks -> special?

and then loop?

[silent crow]

i like doing dash attack - special - continue

since the dash attack on staff is really strong

[magic moss]

@nimble hamlet https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297391256368058471/1350979493925228554/image.png?ex=67d8b533&is=67d763b3&hm=cc8d7195a0b51ea83555890bc11732c7120866200518bc8acb7c487c2b58d5da& this is my momus page

[nimble hamlet]

so rerolls + divinity > orig?

[magic moss]

rerolls are essentially a must for 50

the tradeoff is typically lovers + huntress/night vs orig, but i think for momus night is about equal to orig

[nimble hamlet]

ty

[thin ridge]

It feels too weak to build around

[civic ocean]

Sure yeah

I like only 3 rerolls on Momus but thats just me

[rotund nacelle]

If I'm running a Sworn Strike, Heaven Flourish Than axe setup for 50F surface, is there any good alternative for Heaven Flourish to have descent boss damage? Or is it just a reset if Zeus doesn't show up in Ephyra? Alternatively, is it worth running Cloud Bangle over Iridescent Fan to guarantee Heaven Flourish and put the RNG on getting Sworn Strike?

[civic ocean]

Why are you running Heaven Flourish?

[rotund nacelle]

Because it does an absolutely titanic amount of boss damage

[civic ocean]

Then you probably want something else that can replicate that so maybe the Ares flourish with Grievous Blow?

[past salmon]

There are other ways to get boss damage

Consider running an O-Attack or hybrid build

[silent crow]

volcanic flourish is actually pretty great for bosses

a good high damage cast can also do the trick

[weak wave]

does anyone know if you can force bridal glow on a non pommable boon?

[rotund nacelle]

Does an O-Attack/Hybrid usually rely on a Hammer? I normally don't like using O-Moves because of how slow they are. What do you usually need to consistently get sub minutes boss kills?

[rotund nacelle]

Yeah, unfortunately the best cast for this is Zeus. Slotting in Heph special or cast might be what I'm looking for, I usually get too tempted to roll for survivability boons when taking Heph

[silent crow]

if you just need a boss cast then posedon isnt the worst thing int he world at high rarity

and hestias cast at epic rarity is also quite strong

[rotund nacelle]

I usually consider Hestia cast more for ad clearing rather than boss damage because (correct me if I'm wrong on this), scorch damage doesn't benefit from %damage buffs

[silent crow]

i think it does

iirc the amount of scorch is purely a timer and not the actual damage it does

[rotund nacelle]

Posiedon Special might be a good shout though. Since axe special has 3 hits it gets to 60 power for lvl 1 common compared to 100 for Zeus Special. Going for Poseidon's legendary later in the run though gives it a +200% buff

[rotund nacelle]

Oh, interesting. I didn't know that. Makes sense though since Burning Desire exists

[silent crow]

i was talking about his cast, his cast starts at 180/cast at epic which is comparable to a common zeus cast except its burst damage which is better

pos special could work tho but it doesnt give u orig (unless ur not running it?)

[rotund nacelle]

I usually get origination from Artic Ring, Passion Rush, or Glamor Gain depending on what Ephyra gives me

[rotund nacelle]

True, Posiedon is one of my least used setups so I tend to overlook some of his boons

Though I'd ideally like to get boss damage on special and save cast for ad clear or hybrid ad clear/boss damage since Axe special is so directional and cast is easy AOE

[silent crow]

i find that pos cast is one of the best at ad clear since it nearly 1taps early game enemies after wards are knocked off

[rotund nacelle]

Interesting. I usually go the other way around, use a multi hit cast to knock off wards to make the rest of my damage go through

[silent crow]

those are valid but pos special seems like a big highroll is what im saying ig

i suppose you want those things anyway for their actual value

[silent crow]

the first 55f clear on underworld actually took hell splitter to get enough damage to beat the timer

thats a potential option too i suppose

[magic moss]

hell splitter is a lot worse now that you dont have the frame 1 block option, so you're significantly more vulnerable

[silent crow]

ahh thats fair

[rotund nacelle]

I never take Eperimental Hammer on axe because of the 1 time I took it in Fields, got Hell Splitter, and lost the easiest 50F run I've ever had

[silent crow]

oh well i guess thats not an option
executioner's is somewhat comparable too, no?

[hard plover]

Best boons for Aspect of Selene?

[rotund nacelle]

Yeah, but I'm also not a fan of the big chop and if I'm going for a specific hammer it's just going to be Dashing Heave

[hard plover]

Anybody?

[uneven palm]

Depends. You can go big O special/attacks with Night in which case you’d like big percentages. Apollo is real nice on attack. Or I also like doing Origination to power up the space lasers in which case any combo of Hera/Zeus/Ares/Hestia/Poseidon will probably work out

[robust otter]

Heartthrob momus builds 🗣️ 🔥

[polar chasm]

so tired of getting demolished by frenzy 2 chronos and cerb no idea how else to get sub 10 times though

idk why I'm trying to do this for every aspect cause circe is just giving me grief 😭 closest I've gotten in low 11

[uneven palm]

Could try without Frenzy or just Frenzy 1? I don’t think it makes that much difference

[polar chasm]

do you think frenzy 1 would affect time too much? cause that's doable difficulty wise for sure

[uneven palm]

Very little. Few seconds I’d imagine.

Probably better to keep the difficulty manageable so you can play better and less tilted

Even the speedrunners aren’t totally convinced Frenzy 2 is the play seems like. Like it’s some slightly faster phasing and things closing in against like Hippos outrun you

[polar chasm]

I'll try it and try to keep my sanity intact 😂 who would've thought turning down the fear would make the game easier

[robust otter]

now whats a good synergy for artemis

im thinking just a basic hestia attack and wounds +hearthrobs

[analog quail]

god or aspect

[robust otter]

aspect

[analog quail]

usually you want a %dmg boon on attack for your riposte crits

[junior trail]

does riposte affect on-hit effects like splash and blast?

[civic ocean]

I believe it is only your weapon attacks

[uneven palm]

It's only weapon attack/specials, yeah So +% on those will benefit from crits but like blitz or waves won't

[weak wave]

i have confirmed it is possible to pom un pommable boons via bridal glow and got life affri to an 89% increase to max health gains

def going to be attempting to use this set up to push that HP bar

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1351052631312699412/hades-ii-infinite-dashes-speedrun-v0-anwuif8n1zoe1.png?ex=67d8f950&is=67d7a7d0&hm=2600396a9cf78075bd378e3dac1c7770fb3c7063a7365df53ae0ed31ea11717c&

[weak wave]

wtf

do you even have a recovery time at that poin t

[cinder palm]

Welcome back hades 1 dash

[weak wave]

fr fr my baby boy zag had somethin to do with this dash

[desert mist]

How are people able to move so rapidly while using Medea skull?

Everytime I try it it feels so sluggish

Do they change their controls or something?

[bleak night]

are you on controller or something

[rotund nacelle]

Nah, that scaling is insane

[uneven palm]

I do rebind special to a bumper so it's easier to do Medea's loop

[desert mist]

Yep

[uneven palm]

White Antler you so crazy https://imgur.com/a/aR8vcAv

[bleak night]

move dash to shoulder asap and you may want to move one of attack or special to another shoulder if you use your thumb

I don't use my right thumb when I play on controller, lets me have better action speed

[bleak night]

fat damage

[desert mist]

You mean in general or just for Medea? Because that is a lot of muscle memory to replace lmao

[desert mist]

Holy

[bleak night]

for the shoulder dash, in general it's better for you if you wanna play better

for Medea, you may want to use two separate fingers for attack and special, otherwise your thumb has to keep moving back and forth for it

[desert mist]

I see

[desert mist]

So for example you have your dash set on L and an attack on R?

[bleak night]

I have Attack, Cast and Special on the face buttons, I just don't use my right thumb, so I can have 3 fingers on it

My Medea gameplay looks like this with it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbV4aA4kG2M

[desert mist]

Ah

[obsidian stirrup]

Hey, what's youe go to arcana setup

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1343064391976747078/image.png?ex=67d8eaaf&is=67d7992f&hm=77454ae3b4eb818b40087c6ce80601073de31b211dca291828d3ebf5de964c23& this but I swap Artificer for Lovers on surface runs generally

[obsidian stirrup]

Thank you!

Why lovers for the surface though?

[bleak night]

I usually take Artificer in UW to supplement my build somehow due to the amount of minor drops Erebus has. Ephyra is 100% major rewards, so I don't quite need it anymore, and the 3 boss shields are more reliable as a result.

You can run Artificer in surface for Thessaly if you want though

[obsidian stirrup]

Gotchs, thanks

[alpine mango]

I need some help with the captain elite enemy in the 2nd surface region. I legit just took more damage from him than the last boss. How do I dodge two people shooting wall bouncing shots at me and still do damage? Anyone got a good strategy for him?

[echo island]

for me i usually lock them in my cast when im having that issue, or if im using a weapon(idk which from the top of my head) that can stun them with my special for a second i spam that with my attack, usually helps me

im not the best at explaining 😅but i just try to freeze em

[alpine mango]

Lock them in your cast?

[analog quail]

they’re talking about the yargonaut miniboss

• it’s a miniboss so it doesn’t get trapped in your cast
• it has armor so it can’t be stunlocked

[spare kite]

Yargonaut does get trapped

Is the mini bosses that have the beeeg hp bars that are unable to get cast'd

[analog quail]

oh ic

[spare kite]

(that said I don't think the cast prevents his teleport)

[spare kite]

Any clue for shadows yargonaut @bleak night

I haven't turned on shadows for the surface for so long lol

[alpine mango]

And how would I get the shadow and him in a cast when he doesn't run after me?

[alpine mango]

maybe that's the best strategy lol

[spare kite]

I refuse to learn double spawn of typhon lol

[alpine mango]

At first I wanted to say shadows on the surface aren't that bad, not counting the Argonaut, but then I remembered the double spawns are a *** as well

[spare kite]

The ephyra miniboss is also annoying lol

[alpine mango]

The sniper? Hm, I actually can't remember well. I think I only fought him once since turning on shadows

[bleak night]

Nah idk how to fight it without Divine Dash lol

[spare kite]

Lmfao

[bleak night]

Last time I did, I took 170 damage

[untold zodiac]

armour melting hammer

[bleak night]

What if it doesn't give me that

[untold zodiac]

RIP

[alpine mango]

So, would you say it's mandatory to choose an armor melting hammer for surface runs?

[untold zodiac]

no
i didn't have much trouble with Yargonaut tbf
but i don't play on high fear so maybe that's why

[echo island]

OHHH MB

[silent crow]

the way i beated him i just stayed behind him and dashed when the other guy shot me

since the attack cooldown for 1 yargonaut is very long and a lot of his attacks can be dodged by walking

[sage flame]

yeah I've found it's better to run/walk to dodge the first shot, then dashing the bounce shot, it's honestly better if they both shoot at once

worst thing to do is to panic dash near the wall it's bouncing off of

[civic ocean]

I think I have only fought yarg a handful of times but I have no clue

[sinful marlin]

Hitless Typhon with Medea

Wtf 💀💀💀

[bleak night]

you should see the Mel Axe run

[sinful marlin]

yesss will see

[rotund nacelle]

% Armor hammer works wonders. Beyond that there's not much hope. The projectiles retarget on riccochet so the fight is kinda just unfair. The Yargonaut fights dirty

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1252732088378200146/1351218955531849861/image.png?ex=67d99437&is=67d842b7&hm=c8b8bf729cb8e948224294bff9b35cf8fa0bbe602d0fa90dccfed8036d96a9ef& got a 50 Fear Surface Omega Attack Artemis run down, took me a while to figure out what I should prioritize

[carmine lagoon]

whenever there’s not a hammer that’s a direct upgrade to my build i just take any armor hammers available, esp on surface now that yarg is a thing

[atomic ibex]

How come you always take Antler into Summit? Because of timer or as a challenge?

[bleak night]

I feel some sort of pressure when closing out runs I record

Always just at the end, for the most part, so I just run Antler so my damage skyrockets

that way I don't have enough time to fumble lmao

[rotund nacelle]

Plus, with boons that resist or dodge hits being more valuable than +health stuff at higher fears, by the end of a run your survivability relies more on those than on your health bar

[civic ocean]

Also usually one or two heph boons get rid of much of the downside of antler on summit

[rotund nacelle]

Unless you've got Apollos.Heaven's "Melinoe the Tank" build Typhon is just gonna two tap you anyways if you mess up so health isn't as important as it is earlier in the run

[civic ocean]

At 50 almost certainly I would imagine yeah

[rotund nacelle]

The first time I fought him was at 16F with Pain and Frenzy on. To see him do 200 damage through strength in under 1 second with his final phase double beam sweep was an experience

[bleak night]

double beam's damage seems daunting until you realize it's super easy to dodge, issue is getting stunned in the line of fire ig

[rotund nacelle]

Yeah, I think that was the first time I'd gotten to his final phase... so I didn't know to be ready for the second beam

[civic ocean]

That is also really fun conditioning for that fight because Typhon spends the first few phases teaching you to not stand close to him (chin attack and tornados) and then IMO you sort of develop a rhythm of weaving in and out to avoid the beams/balls and chin/nados

It’s a really fun fight to learn and it always feels really climactic because of how much HP he has and how dangerous the attacks are, even though once you learn the patterns if you just stay calm I feel like he’s decently easy to avoid

[sage flame]

man the tornadoes always hit me no matter where I stand sometimes

[atomic ibex]

i think the tornadoe have a blindspot on the outer corners, away from typhon

[civic ocean]

Yeah I think so too its like a cone

[formal pulsar]

With snow queen, trusty shield, lover arcana, and some extra from the shop before. You can take around 6 hits from typhon before you are completely vulnerable to being one tapped with antler. So while it is risky, there are a lot of mitigating factors

And with mint condition and high enough damage you can transition him into the first egg phase before he hits at all

[polar ravine]

honestly just having the knucklebones 15% dmg is enough to nearly put typhon into the first egg phase

[willow phoenix]

I found divine dash to make dodging Typhon much easier. You can actually dash into the headbutt with divine dash as it has enough i-frames for it

[cursive oyster]

divine dash my goat

sorry mental block you’re bad now

[polar ravine]

too bad its so rare to get

[bleak night]

what is ?

[polar ravine]

divine dash

[cursive oyster]

you can get it every run with athena keepsake

[bleak night]

if you run Strength you can just put on Athena keepsake whenever and grab it early

[willow phoenix]

It's common enough if you have 10 rerolls and use gorgon amulet tbf

[polar ravine]

im just really unlucky

[cerulean panther]

I see a bunch of players whose bad rolls I've inherited. Happy to improve your H2 experience.

[weak wave]

if yall were to change one duo boon in the game what would it be and why i'll go first. Cherished keepsake should refresh your current keepsake if it's expired when you obtain it. I just wanna health max heroic boons i need damn it

speaking of which, something i'm going to try and test soon is whether or not cherished keepsake refreshes gorgon amulet as long as it is not max level. I swear i accidentally did this in a run a few days ago but can't prove it does anyone know if this is possible?

[bleak night]

even at max level it refreshes

[willow phoenix]

Natural Selection because I don't like it

[bleak night]

My Lucky Tooth got used up in Olympus, got Cherished Heirloom, it gave me a new DD

it was a rank 3 tooth turning into a rank 4 one

[weak wave]

yeah ig a better way to word the change is that it should still refresh keepsakes that don't get a level so you at least get some value for it on them

plus it would be a fun way to twist up the RNG planning a refresh on a god keepsake

although i'm not sure if this would break the game

[weak wave]

i still have not willingly taken that duo boon even in normal runs really

[civic ocean]

I would change Killer Current to Sea Star Storm: your lightning effects deal X% more damage for every minor find, centaur heart, mana pot, and pom of power you encounter this night

[upper mountain]

Whats a good arcana setup? I’m using Strength, Champions, Excellence, Persistence, Wayward Son, and a few others.

[civic ocean]

Depends on what you are trying to do! Every Arcana has a spot

[upper mountain]

I’m trying to get to and beat Typhon. I’m using the Coat.

[civic ocean]

Hmm, well, I think it depends on your aspect, what your strategy is, etc. but have a good think about what you are trying to accomplish with your build and whether or not all of the cards you are choosing actually align with that.

[cursive oyster]

bottom leftmost 4 to get ten rolls, strength/death, and persistence i think are must takes

[rotund nacelle]

IMO they really didn't need to add the cooldown to it. The reduced duration alone would have brought it in line with Divine Dash. Mental Block not proccing on every cast makes it kinda worthless

[cursive oyster]

agree

[rotund nacelle]

Yeah, it's a fight where staying on top of everything going on makes the fight decently easy, but once something goes wrong, everything goes wrong

[viscid wave]

What's everyone's favourite aspect with the sister blades? For someone who kinda keeps getting killed really easily trying to use them 🤣

[uneven palm]

I mean the easiest is probably Pan. Put Poseidon on special and get Origination up between cast and Slip and you’re done.

My favorite is Artemis tho. For Mel/Artemis best advice I can give is use your special more. You can attack while it’s out, it gives you a ranged option, it interrupts baddies as you move in, it hits twice and backstabs (on Mel) or can crit both ways (on Artemis)

[half briar]

I feel i’ve given pan an honest shot but I just cant find enough circumstances where the homing is actually better than the +backstab damage from mel with origination honestly. I’m a mel sister blades truther 😔

[sage flame]

artemis blades my beloved

[civic ocean]

I too prefer boiled food

Don’t give the pan much of a shot

[elfin forge]

mel is the most based daggers

[rich belfry]

im having a trouble with thanatos axe on 8 fear . i go hera attack and cast demeter and the other whatever i find . any recommendation for a different build or anything ? i wanna beat it so badddddd

[fair horizon]

What fear options are you using? What Arcana loadout? Could also give Charon axe a try.

[rich belfry]

hordes ,grit, return ,fangs, frenzy ...xd

arcana just the due loadout

[fair horizon]

hordes, grit, and return are kinda bad unless you are forced in higher fears

hordes and grit are kinda not recommendable at 32 fear even

[rich belfry]

oh

[fair horizon]

try getting used to maxed frenzy and to at least time2 (time3 is not that hard even at 32 fear if you "get good")

with Strength arcana, one or two points in Scars is not too bad, getting used to Fangs is ok

[fair horizon]

the due loadout?

[rich belfry]

its just a loadout i once saw and been doing it ever since

[rich belfry]

my biggest weakness is i cant play without death definace

[fair horizon]

do you have bottom left corner (rerolls + gold) and left side column (activates Divinity)?

[rich belfry]

aaa no

divinity yes

i just saw strength arcana upgraded and damn 50% less dmg ?

[fair horizon]

I mean Death arcana is OK, but if you are gonna continue pushing fear to at least 32 you'd be better served by improving your game and getting hit less often.

Even then Strength isn't as scary as it sounds, its damage resistance is strong and basically duplicates all sources of healing plus the damage buff early in the run. Should practice with it and not DDs.

[fair horizon]

Yeah, you become very hard to kill if you stack those Centaur Hearts.

[rich belfry]

well then lets try it

ty

[polar chasm]

howling soul meat grinder is very fun btw

[fair horizon]

you could say throwing your casts is very fun

[half briar]

seconded, I genuinely thought I'd never be able to play without death defiance but its so hard to go back after seeing how quickly you can cut down enemies with strength on

[rotund nacelle]

Do you have a screenshot of the rest of your loadout when this happened?

[weak wave]

@rotund nacelle Just to keep chats clean thought it best to move the convo back in here. Essentially what i've been doing for the past week or so is testing how to get the most HP this is where i found the bridal glow thing. Since bridal glow is completely random to truly guarantee it HAS to be the second boon you get then it will always target your first boon you got so just take a god keepsake to start the run and roll that first boon till you get the one you want if the tech itself is all you're interested in pulling off in regards to the build

then it becomes just banking on hera for your second god this is much easier to pull off topside due to the fact that its all major rewards

[rotund nacelle]

I've been trying to see if we can rob Charon again by hitting Travel Deal with Bridal Glow to see if it scales as absurdly with level as Stutter Step

[weak wave]

ahhhhh

yeah that it is much harder to do, look up what story triggers you might be able to hit to gurantee a hermes boon to begin a run because i know there are a few that guarantee it, if you do this topside and take hera keepsake it should make it much more likely that hera is in room two, if not i suggest taking a non boon reward for the second room if possible such as hammer or hex than reroll eyphra until you get hera in there

[spare kite]

What's the pommed stutter scaling lol

[weak wave]

@spare kite

[spare kite]

????

Lmfaooooo, gonna miss that

[weak wave]

yeah its insane lmao

[spare kite]

Is the plan to oath salute degen resets until you get hermes into hera ephyra

[rotund nacelle]

I'm keeping forfeit on, so I get 1 boon before reaching Ephyra. With a few rerolls you can pretty reliably get Hermes first

[weak wave]

now to explain further how this works for keepsake gods you can also take a heroic prio boon by upgrading an epic via their keepsake (attack, special, gain, cast, or sprint boons) then take a pom in the second room and roll eyphra till you get the god you want to bridal glow the boon of and hera for bridal glow but it makes it a 50/50 on if hera will pick that one tho

[weak wave]

that can also work to drive it in your favor if theres no other way to gurantee a hermes first start

[junior trail]

gameplay vid btw #h2-discussion message

[thin ridge]

They gave up on balance scaling 😭

[spare kite]

Lmfaooooo

Gonna be sad seeing that patched

[weak wave]

not sure if bridal glow doing that is a glitch but i hope they keep it in lmao its really funny when you can pom uncanny fort, just a common bridal glow makes that sucker 70% of magick from base heroic level of 50% ive been trying to proc it with a higher rarity for bridal glow to really push it

[rotund nacelle]

Setting all that up is fine, I can reliably enter Ephyra with either a Heroic Hera boon or a Hermes boon. The problem is if I take a Hera room with either 1 Heroic Hera + 1 Hermes or only 1 Hermes, Bridal Glow just isn't showing up

[spare kite]

I wonder if righteous pike is also as dumb

But good luck hitting that lol

[weak wave]

yeah in all honesty that mainly comes down to luck, if you can take a prio boon that will increase the chances of you getting secondary boons such as bridal glow which is how ive been able to proc it in an hera room consistently

well "consistently"

[civic ocean]

Imagine you could hit infusions

[weak wave]

that would be crazy

[civic ocean]

70 damage Air Quality

[rotund nacelle]

Is anything else of Hera's unpommable? I've also kept Denial on to take other options out of the pool

[weak wave]

im curious if it can hit a duo, although thered be legit no way to gurantee a proc on it

i mean ig you could attempt it by cleansing the boons that make up the duo boon if you UW

[spare kite]

Does bridal glow prioritize the normal boons first or can you just 50/50 it

[weak wave]

whether or not the boon is unpommable is irrelevant to how bridal glow picks the boon it upgrades at least in my personal testing thus far

[junior trail]

nope, bridal glow only hits normal to epic rarity boon, so no legendary, duo, or infusion

[rotund nacelle]

Either it always picks the pommable boon or I've lost 8 50/50's in a row

Correction: 9 50/50's in a row

[junior trail]

actually its 50/50 but the boon(s) it choose will be different in each location

[weak wave]

i've been doing my best to keep track of the numbers and at least with my current attempts that succeeded in getting bridal glow the math is correct for a 50/50 chance 30 trials 17 chose the unpommable 13 chose pommable boon when i had flutter strike and life affri as the two options for it

now 30 runs isnt exactly a massive sample size but thus far it isnt that far off from what it should be if the probability is truly just 50/50

[junior trail]

kinda wish the instant dash/o.cast expire speed is in heroic man i missed old geyser so much

[weak wave]

it can hit heroic boons sadly ive had it happen a lot

[junior trail]

yeah it prioritize normal boons first even its already heroic

[weak wave]

guess i was getting pretty damn lucky then for the stats to skew the other way

[rotund nacelle]

Correction: 10 50/50s

[weak wave]

yeah ive had to reroll a lot with uncanny fort as well had a few times where i hit a heroic bridal glow and anvil ring took it from uncanny fort smh

[rotund nacelle]

I've been going into room 3 Hera with 1 Heroic + 1 Hermes, using all rerolls, and have yet to see Bridal Glow show up. Then I take whatever it gives me when rerolling gets to 4 or 5, go for another Hera, get Bridal Glow, and it hits the other boon

[rotund nacelle]

I don't know what's going on. If Bridal Glow is even odds for hitting pommable/unpommable then eithe i've been doing something wrong or getting the worst RNG ever. I'm somewhere around 1 for 20 in a 50/50 setup

[weak wave]

i mean statistically it would have to be a straight anomaly going 1 for 20 with truly 50/50. Ill see if i can't get some more tests going for that and figure out if theres a bias towards certain boons

[forest hinge]

Selene Coat builds anyone?

[civic ocean]

Night Arcana + Big Attack boon + Winner's Circle-Geyser Spout on cast

https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/1233146305308528650/1351426580014039091 I think I have found the worst build to ever win at 32

[forest hinge]

ok bet. I just turned Night Arcana on too before seeing this, we share a vision lol

[civic ocean]

Night is the new hotness

[bleak night]

Night's great on it, yeah

it's the cheapest option as well for activating Moon

[tough raptor]

how does aspect of medea skull compare to beowulf? A friend of mines told me to get that because I said I loved Beowulf a ton

and I can see that it no doesnt has that 10% damage taken

[signal coral]

its very strong and you zoom everywhere

[tough raptor]

okay that's reassuring to hear, planning to use it for one of my testaments for nightmares

[tidal hinge]

It's mechanicallly similar since you load your ammo like you loaded the cast in hades 1

[bleak night]

I can show you a run if you want to see gameplay

[tough raptor]

oh yes please

[bleak night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbV4aA4kG2M

[tough raptor]

Oh so your the guy who did those vids, seen your vids recommended to me before lol

[magic moss]

damn mynt popular af

[signal coral]

you can also watch a speedrun if you want to see a low fear fast clear

[tough raptor]

good stuff btw

[bleak night]

sorry about that lmao

[tough raptor]

Nah seen your vids as well, as I said good stuff

[granite sierra]

saluting the oath of the unseen completely resets your seed right?

[bleak night]

Fair enough, ty

[bleak night]

It should yeah. It takes out the Selene starts at least.

[signal coral]

medea is one of the strongest aspects and i think its probably fairly nerf proof because the average player is very bad at skulls

[granite sierra]

ok cool

[signal coral]

its kind of like zeus shield or beo in hades 1, very strong but with a weird playstyle that the average player found hard so didn't really eat any nerfs

[tough raptor]

loved the zeus shield a ton, did a duo boon with athena and ares and it went hard

[tidal hinge]

if you get like a selene start, exit game, re-roll, then another bad start and exit again, it'll take you back to the initial selene run im pretty sure. Unless you roll then change keepsake or arcana, its a lil weird but either way it is random when you salute every time

[granite sierra]

beo with dio went crazy, havent found a build that quite scratches the same itch yet

[tidal hinge]

with scantilating feast and ice wine too oooof

[forest hinge]

is Black Fleece good on Selene-Coat if I've already stacked aphro strike and such?

[civic ocean]

40% additive - how much damage% do you currently have, including boons, arcana, and Shine?

[forest hinge]

+310% +100 O-Atk power

[forest hinge]

@civic ocean ^

[signal coral]

usually i think there are better stuff to take

40% additive late in the game isnt huge

[forest hinge]

whats the staff tech these days?

[vocal heath]

Alright new here, but I had run with these as the main focus.

Tough Gain (Heph) Heroic Lvl 7 - Reducing all hits taken by 10 (and restoring my Magick)
Brave Face - Use Magick to resist 50% of any damage
Frosty Veneer - You cannot take more than 20 damage per hit

I had a few other damage resists as %'s, but ultimately I'm interested as to why I was occasionally taking damage hits of 20 (that was the cap)

I had assumed the order of operations was
1: Hit of 20 or higher comes in, gets SET to 20,
2. Either Tough Gain or Brave Face kicks in, setting that damage to 10, and the other kicks in to set the damage taken to 0.

Has anyone else done this build and can offer insight as to what is activating in what order?

From what I can gather, Brave Face, Tough Gain and my other damage resist items were activating first, and then frosty veneer seemed to be last to work, explaining the limit of 20. I did pick it up last overall in the run, but I'm unsure if order or pickup matters

[surreal hazel]

Frosty Veneer is the final thing to apply

the order you gain the boons doesn't matter as the damage calculation system is a fixed system that just asks if you have certain boons at specific steps in the process

[surreal hazel]

pretty sure % reductions occur first (Multiplicatively, if there's multiple), then fixed numerical decreases (To a minimum of 1 damage), then Frosty Veneer's cap of 20 if the damage is still over that

[vocal heath]

Right ok, I see, I was guessing something along those lines

Which makes me still surprised I was getting damage that low overall

[surreal hazel]

were you running Strength?

[vocal heath]

So definitely a fun build, if a little impractical

No, but I would in future runs for sure, I now see that it would have been ridiculous

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, you can be extremely tanky

but not invincible as end bosses have some BIG damage hits that kinda punches through all of that unless you have frosty veneer also up

To face tank one of Prom's flame waves you need to have 375 mana available for Brave Face to half the damage from it

then it's still 75 damage, so strength puts it down to 37, then tough gain down to 27 (If it works that way around, I forget)

[vocal heath]

I managed to grab both the Hermes dodge per boon, and whispy whiles, (and self regen) both of those came from Hera's legendary, so I got hit by|| Typhons Chin|| attack only a few times in total, and that's where I saw the frosty veneer number.

Now that it's worth mentioning, I had the Axe hammer that reduces damage while attacking, and some of the path of stars that give damage reduction every use of the Hex. (Hex didn't seem to charge from Brave Face)

Bring in Strength, and Island Getaway, and I think I'd take next to no damage, any that does break through would only be 20 from Veneer

[surreal hazel]

they stack mostly mutliplicatively

[vocal heath]

Oh yeah

[surreal hazel]

I think all path gains that say 5% damage reduction add together as one thing (since when you get multiple of the same upgrade, you're actually levelling a singular boon rather than getting copies of it)

[vocal heath]

that's true, so with strength, the other things don't really work out

but the path one is worth using

[surreal hazel]

but say, brave face and strength both say 50% reduction, so damage is reduced to 25%

[vocal heath]

It is tied to phase shift, which can be a little hard to charge

[surreal hazel]

which is still good, ngl

[vocal heath]

but if you get something to rapidly charge phase shift, that can quickly go to 50% in an encounter

[surreal hazel]

but it's definitely not 50% +50% reduction to grant immortality

[surreal hazel]

er, no

[vocal heath]

Is it once per encounter?

[surreal hazel]

those bonuses don't stack each time you activate them, just the once

[vocal heath]

right, I felt like I saw that with the speed one and assumed something similar

but probably not

[surreal hazel]

nah, sadly

they're there to encourage you to actually activate your hex in a room even if it's not the perfect time to

(Unlike how the older forms tried to do it)

[vocal heath]

However, night bloom can give 20% provided you have something raised

It won't live very long in the final encounters that matter though

[surreal hazel]

depends on which upgrades you roll

night bloom is an interesting one for Typhon since you kinda want one of the eggs to hatch

[vocal heath]

I had a run with sun worshipper that did surprisingly well for that reason

[surreal hazel]

even if Typhon can just chin-slam one to death, they can potentially still put out some impressive damage for a fire-and-forget hex

(Rigor is SO GOOD if you roll it)

[vocal heath]

it didn't seem to take much damage at all, as bosses damage is scaled to your health, not to the summons health

[surreal hazel]

errr, shouldn't be

enemy damage is just 50x whatever it would do to you

or whatever it is

[vocal heath]

As in, while my hits have to do far more than my own HP damage to take down the first typhon summon, his hits are doing 90 ish from the chin slam, and I think the summon was tankier than me for that specific run

[surreal hazel]

they have a huge damage reduction, but I think the chin slam just instakills

[bleak night]

can someone correct me if I'm wrong but

are Olympus fountains only reachable via the side doors, or has someone taken a launch pad and gotten to it ?

[junior trail]

only door iirc

[bleak night]

I've only ever seen them by taking doors

[bleak night]

yeah, was wondering if that's just not enough cases or just straight up impossible via launchpad. Just doors ig ?

[vocal heath]

Ok, so my sun worshipper and nightbloom minions just don't take damage, they face tanked all of Eris's phase transition blasts and it doesn't look like their health moved at all

but do not use them with hecuba or demeter freeze as they still get shut down by both of those

[surreal hazel]

yeah, I instinctively drop cast whenever I use a hex and I facepalm every time I use arctic ring before using night bloom

[vocal heath]

I got the infinite duration and rigor upgrades (and they use my revenge and special boons). I genuinely want to see if they can solo typhon

If if I get him to the first phase transition, it will summon something, (and I can force this with the upgraded keepsake that blasts him for 25%)

[willow phoenix]

They probably can, but you have to let the eggs pop before killing them

[vocal heath]

I'm cooking here

[willow phoenix]

But I found them kinda clueless during Typhon phase transitions

[bleak night]

is it seasoned well

[vocal heath]

Now to get prometheus to actually summon backup

I wonder if these boons work on the vow that summons a copy of the boss or a shadow summon

I assume they would, which might make this easier

[willow phoenix]

They do, but bosses don't get those, only miniboss

[vocal heath]

Aint no way. Prometheus's summons are coded to vanish after a few seconds

They just jump in and out, I feel genuinely scammed

[willow phoenix]

They vanish after he starts his phase transition thing

[vocal heath]

yeah, but that happens to the ones I copy aswell

no matter what phase he is in.

[willow phoenix]

Oh lol that's F10 worthy

[vocal heath]

Well, more specifically, they appear for their one attack then dip

So either it's a bug, but I think it's likely an oversight, as they must be unique entities

So it's working as intended, but the enemies aren't what a player might expect or want from the effect

[willow phoenix]

The summons in Prom's fight behave weirdly tbh. I'm not really sure what procs them. I had a run with damage issues and Prom didn't really call them either lol

[vocal heath]

Typhon seems to be at 65000 HP based on the knuckles doing 25% hp

[bleak night]

yeah it's 65k

[vocal heath]

Ok, I've learned so much this run

my summons heal from the self healing apollo thing

[bleak night]

[vocal heath]

This is some science stuff

I got the eye summoners, and they are currently blocking almost all projectiles

and each of the eyes is applying revenge effects (including daze)

and self heal (which is apparently a revenge effect)

[untold zodiac]

that used to be nuts when Nasty Comeback existed

[vocal heath]

Unfortunately, doesn't look like I'll win this run, the damage is abysmal as they are using the freeze special

but I think with some proper boons and specials, this is definitely a thing

I didn't pick up the on death effect path of stars and I absolutely should have as the eyes would be counting

[junior trail]

is it self healing or warm breeze?

[vocal heath]

I don't have a duo, so whichever one that isn't

I GOT TO HALFWAY WOOOO

so 10 minutes so far

[bleak night]

you're just hanging back and letting the summons attack for you ?

[vocal heath]

I can only do that with 20 hp and no death defies

but I think if I got the explosions on death path of stars, I would have 100% won

This build basically was exclusively the summons

I think I know how to build it properly next time

[bleak night]

record the boss fight next time for science pls

[vocal heath]

I'll see if I can even get the right path of stars first. That seems to be the main challenge

Not just night bloom, but everything within it

[polar chasm]

I feel like the EM for poly is gonna be his original fight with the sheep

[willow phoenix]

Imagine if it's three cyclopses

[spring holly]

Does Ares wounds trigger on all of the blades on the dagger omega strike or just the first

[bleak night]

just the first

Cut Above might be what you're looking for though

[spring holly]

That's what I thought so it isn't good for a pan build lol

[bleak night]

combine it with a Heph core for Coffin Nail and it'll be good. Since you're playing Pan you'll want Ares on Attack or Dash anyway for the Poseidon duo

[spring holly]

I'm actaullly going for a funny freezer burn build with hestia cast and demeter speical.

[bleak night]

reverse it if possible

easier to accumulate scorch ticks with Hestia Special, then you use Demeter Cast as a detonate button

or imo just run a different cast, put Demeter on attack

[spring holly]

I like hestia cast better

[bleak night]

eh, fair enough ig. Won't be as effective though

[spring holly]

and it's to late lol

[willow phoenix]

Even with coffin nail you'll only get like 2-3 swords which I guess is better than nothing lol

[junior trail]

smolder ring works better with sth like +posei special for vapor

[bleak night]

that's kinda bad lmao

[latent marsh]

does scorch work with zeus at least 30 damage boon?

[bleak night]

Air Quality? I think so

[latent marsh]

so it'll deal 30 damage per sec? if so that's really funny

[bleak night]

not quite sure what numbers on it are, but iirc you can get that number on Scorch really easily with Pyro Technique of a good rarity or with some poms on it ?

[latent marsh]

yeah that sound way better

[civic ocean]

It deals 180 damage per second

Scorch at base is 13 so Air Quality is a 130% or so damage increase

But it doesn’t work with other things that increase Scorch’s damage, of which there are many

[sage flame]

wtf is the tick rate if it's 13 per tick

[civic ocean]

6 per second

It’s 13.3 damage or smth

[sage flame]

ah

very fun, very peculiar

[civic ocean]

Scorch, gales, support fire, static shock, arctic ring

You can actually get a lot of instances of 30 damage

But not all of them work the same way iirc

Like I think it has a bad interaction with exhaust riser

[sage flame]

oh weird

[civic ocean]

I have to test that sometime

Because in theory its quite good - regular dash attack is 15x3 so exhaust riser is 15x9 which is a big jump with aq static sfire

[sage flame]

isn't it just +3 from exhaust riser to 6 hits, which I mean still really good with aq probably

or does the description lie

[sinful moon]

Any rough build outlines with gods (and decent alternatives) for the aspect of moros?

Gonna pick that up and bonk some things with it

[sage flame]

born gain, ares/zeus special, hera/aphro/ares attack, fine line, athena pike is the classic build

shreds easily

pretty flexible outside of born gain (maybe mortal gain if you'd like) tbh

[willow phoenix]

Does pyro technique increase the tick rate or the damage per tick?

[sage flame]

I believe the damage per tick

but i am uncertain

[surreal hazel]

exhaust riser makes your dash attack do 6 hits total

[sage flame]

yeah that's what I thought

[surreal hazel]

it is 6 individual hits, no reason why air quality wouldn't boost each hit up to 30

they're so close together that the damage text will batch them together into one number

but that's a visual thing only.

[civic ocean]

With hitch the batching makes it so that only the first shared hit does 30 so I am not sure

[civic ocean]

Base flat damage, it also depletes your scorch by the same amount

[surreal hazel]

hitch is a bit weird since it bypasses basically every damage modifier to prevent loops

it's not a good example for working out if other stuff works in a certain way

[civic ocean]

I will have to check it out but even with 6 it would still be very good of course

[surreal hazel]

exhaust riser is a monster for stacking on hit effects, particularly given its aoe

[civic ocean]

The more important thing is the 6 scorch stacks/support fires/static shocks that all deal 30 damage except for scorch which works out to 180 per second

[surreal hazel]

ah, right, so in that instance

you get 6 stacks of scorch all pooled into one number

that do scorch as scorch does

180/sec for however long that lasts, no problem there

I think support fire and static shock has a brief cooldown on triggers though

so you won't get 6 of each for each enemy you hit

they both have a projectile cap too

[civic ocean]

You just want as many as you can get

And then usually arctic ring and arctic gale/frigid sprint

Then your damage is actually pretty high with AQ but

[surreal hazel]

Prominence Flare and Glorious Disaster

[cursive oyster]

ew

[civic ocean]

Prominence Flare is good but the build I am playing uses void 4 so it usually takes Athena 2nd biome for Stalwart Stand

And static shock can prime you out easily too

[marble crater]

is success rate an additive increase or a percentage increase?

[signal coral]

percentage

so if you have +50% success rate and your other boon would normally proc 30% of the time, it now procs 45% of the time

[surreal hazel]

One of the nice things about the boon is that every chance it affects is updated correctly for each boon's description, even if it's not a green number

so Divine Vengeance will show 65% refire chance if you have a +30% common Success Rate

[marble crater]

oh cool
but also oh not cool since it isnt a massive increase for extra dose like i thought it was

[surreal hazel]

no, but there's a lot of VERY notable boons that don't scale well with rarity/poms but reallllllly benefit from success rate

[bleak night]

they need to just buff Extra Dose's numbers a bit or something

[surreal hazel]

Double up, Shocking Loss, Divine Vengeance, half of Ares' support boons

[bleak night]

make it 10% at base, since it only works on Attack (not even Omega Attack)

[surreal hazel]

Shocking loss at 30% trigger rate is silly

[bleak night]

Extra Dose being 5% at base when Grievous Blow exists at 10 at base is kinda whacky

[signal coral]

its still multiplicative damage technically

though it only works on basic attack and the numbers are worse than ares, yeah

[spare kite]

Epic S.rate + 4* antler

[willow phoenix]

they need to change Dazzling Display before anything else lol

[uneven palm]

Probably swapping those would be fair

[sage flame]

% chance for status on a t2 boon is crazy yeah, but everyone takes blinding rush for daze anyway

[bleak night]

I used Dazzling Display for the hitless run thing. Imo just make it 30% at base or something idk

I think it's got its uses for the most part

[bleak night]

I kinda like Grievous at 10 though

I'd prefer if they just buffed Extra Dose without touching the other stuff

[signal coral]

true or false, aphro and apollo are the same god

[uneven palm]

I mean so do I haha it’s awesome

[uneven palm]

Uhhhh yeah bigger percents and dodge chance support either will do

[bleak night]

I feel like if they wanna nerf Grievous, make it related to the requirements rather than the numbers on it, but that might be just me

[signal coral]

i look at both their boons and they are actually fairly similar in my opinion
except apollo doesnt need you to be in melee range

aphro numbers are bigger though, of course, in exchange for the melee range stuff

like daze is 20% damage reduction effectively, compared to 30% weakness

[bleak night]

Apollo feels weird ngl

I enjoy running Apollo as a main damage source and stuff nowadays, but it feels weird to get him for his support stuff

Blinding Sprint is the only thing you really want from him for the most part

[sage flame]

yea the extent of support I seek from apollo is getting daze

[signal coral]

apollo has % damage cores, plus daze for survivability
aphro has % damage cores, plus weak for survivability

apollo has perfect image, back burner, extra dose as ways to increase damage, self healing infusion for survivability
aphro has shameless attitude, sweet surrender, secret crush as ways to increase damage, wispy wiles infusion for survivability (plus broken resolve)

THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON

[bleak night]

it's funny because I run these two together

[signal coral]

actually though perfect image and shameless attitude are similar, both give %damage and want you to not get hit
extra dose and secret crush are both multiplicative damage effects in a sense

[signal coral]

what kind of build wants apollo + aphro?

or are you just taking one or the other as a supplemental god for survivability?

[untold zodiac]

attack spam

[bleak night]

Hearthrob builds sometimes, for dash attack builds on certain weapons you want either Apollo Attack + Aphro Sprint or Aphro Attack + Apollo Sprint

[untold zodiac]

Warm Breeze build

[reef prism]

Guys. I’ve had who knows how many attempts at Typhon (beat him the first try from what I can only describe as absolutely stupid luck, and maybe one other time). HOW are yall getting past this; what works against him? What do I have to have during my run to get through it (except, yknow, not getting hit)? I’m so frustrated man

also apologies if this is the wrong channel for that

[signal coral]

he's partially a dps check

he has a ton of hp but also has a massive hitbox and doesnt move

the better your dps the faster you can phase transition him and the less you will be getting hit

a lot of builds that make it there can just partially facetank and max dps him and win (assuming damage is good enough)

other than that, the safest place to play the fight is usually right underneath his head

the biggest move you need to watch out for there is his head slam, which is indicated by his horns flashing red right before he does it

the other moves that can hit you there are quite telegraphed

[civic ocean]

I get hit by the balls a lot

[reef prism]

correct, I manage to avoid that, it’s mostly his projectiles and spawning foes with his tail

[signal coral]

the egg phases, his tail will always hit exactly twice where you are standing

so just be prepared to avoid it

projectiles idk, just dodge them

[reef prism]

The bouncing projectiles are okay, but it’s the ones that swirl in place

and also I guess I should get better at the game idk

[pearl cedar]

The best way to learn is to just try and dodge as long as possible instead of doing damage

learn all his attacks before you start trying to kill him while learning his attacks

You'll be less likely to kill him this run, more likely next run.

[signal coral]

the tornados kind of suck because they're hard to see

[reef prism]

The thing is, I know his attacks, but man are they a pain in the ass when they’re all simultaneous

[signal coral]

idk i usually just back off and respect him a little when he does that move

or I just facetank if my build is good enough

[reef prism]

bbygirl just needs some personal space ✨