h2-builds-and-combat

[last cape]

oh that makes sense lol, like static because things are getting hurt by touching you

[bleak night]

yeah mbmb

but for the most part, when seeing if things affect other things like that, check the prerequisites in the codex. The prerequisite boons of Double Strike are all lightning bolt effects

[willow phoenix]

Does wide grin still not work with mel skull?

[vale shard]

Mynt out here spreading missinformation smh my head, cancel their youtube

[bleak night]

[willow phoenix]

Huh wow apollo attack on skull still gives out the increased aoe for possessed array

[bleak night]

is that intended

[willow phoenix]

Dunno lol, but all I know is that mel skull with bolstered and possessed deals insane damage, synergy with cut above and depth charge too

But even with all that depth charge couldn't make it to the damage leaderboard, so it's very bad lol

[bleak night]

Depth Charge needs a change

[indigo terrace]

I used it in a recent build I posted in the victory boasting channel. Definitely allowed me to throw out the omega attacks more quickly and felt really smooth, but idk if it actually worked with the Aspect of Mel power buff

[willow phoenix]

Yea I was wondering if mel skull or perse skull would work better with wide grin omega attack spam

[potent beacon]

Just curious, why are people saying Aspect of Pan works especially well with a Poseidon Special? I haven't tried it myself, but what makes Poseidon specifically better here than the other options?

[willow phoenix]

Poseidon deals flat damage for every hit, so every single pan dagger would deal that flat damage. The waves also have aoe so it clears out rooms easily rather than being a single target only rhing

[potent beacon]

thank you

[indigo terrace]

What's the consensus on best animal familiar for high fear runs? Trying to plan out my 32 fear surface run

I was considering using Frinos but maybe Gale's damage prevention and dodge is better?

[magic moss]

everything but toula tbh. Frinos and Gale are interchangeable based on if you want safety with more hp or safety with single use shields. Raki is if you prefer the extra damage, and Hecuba for aspects that require mana to operate

[obsidian remnant]

hec also stuns group of enemies and it’s really nice! also great for manaless builds with max hubris so you dont prime out and lose rarity

[sage flame]

if im running manaless I'll probably just pick frinos

still gives some magick but also hp and blocking

[spare kite]

How are you getting mana from frinos

[sage flame]

he gives both no???? hp and magick

am I crazy?

I've only used toula and gale recently

[indigo terrace]

Yeah, I love Hecuba for magick builds but was planning a magick-less build hence why I asked about Frinos and Gale

[sage flame]

what weapon?

[spare kite]

Just hp lol

[sage flame]

god im losing my mind

[nova cairn]

What's the best aspect for the coat and what boons would u use with it, the coat is so weird that it's my least comfy weapon by a mile

[sage flame]

idk why I thought frinos gave max magick too, I really should have known this at this point

[willow phoenix]

Same tbh, I just use mel coat with poseidon attack and hope for the dash attack hammer for higher fears. I feel like the damage falls off a lot otherwise

For comfort I like playing selene though, Apollo on attack causes the O Attack to be humongous, so you can play around that and the skyfall hex

[sage flame]

they're all pretty similar, nxy and mel are super similar, I'd say mel is easiest to get going cause of attack speed

[willow phoenix]

Honestly something like zeus static shock to master conductor is probably the better way to go

[sage flame]

I'd rec zeus and ares boons to stack damage

[indigo terrace]

Aspect of Mel Coat is one of my favorite aspects but yeah the damage is definitely falling off at higher fear levels

I usually either go Zeus/Aphro/Heph and try to get Romantic Spark + Master Conductor, or go Poseidon/Demeter for Poseidon attacks and Arctic Ring

[willow phoenix]

Master conductor is honestly so good, but I found it very inconsistent very Typhon with his weird hitbox

[nova cairn]

i was wondering cus i'm doing 32 surface on all weapons

i'm currently done with torches and skull and wondered about coat

[pine ridge]

When Typhon charges a large plum-like projectile and shoots, and it splits into three... What are you supposed to do?

My move now is to move toa bottom corner and then sorta make a curve back to top center but sometimes I just get clipped by the extra projectiles that spawn from it anyway

(this is with 1 Frenz)

[willow phoenix]

I gave up on coat for 32 lol, I can't seem to beat timer 3 on it. I'll probably wait for EM to make it easier ig

[indigo terrace]

When he launches the projectile I generally try to dodge forward and through it then hit him while the lower part of the screen becomes a bullet hell. If he then follows up with the jaw slam attack, I try to dodge to the sides of the arena but sometimes it can be tricky

[willow phoenix]

The eye charge thing right? I usually dodge from left to right in front of his face

With frenzy it's pretty insane though, frenzy 2 it becomes an actual sniper shot lol

[pine ridge]

maybe I'll try this cuz it's the most different as to what I was doing before, thank you both

[willow phoenix]

Usually in front of his face is pretty safe from the projectiles, as they don't really reach you there until the cluster explosions

If you have divine dash you can iframe his headbash easily

[pine ridge]

I've been doing 32 Fear runs for fun and idk. sometimes I feel like he does none of the attacks that give me trouble. then he does plum-something-plum-somethin-plum and it's like damn half my lifebar
also tried Hestia dash for the first time in a while... I don't even know what projectiles Typhon has that work with Hestia dash. they really need to change that thing to something else

[willow phoenix]

Same lol, I don't think hestia sprint works for anything outside of eris

[tame spindle]

@bleak night 😭 i just had the SADDEST blunder of my life on a mel axe run

i picked up hermes legendary in surface

and i was just permanently broke so i walked into typhon at 80 hp and i made it to his second phase but i couldnt do anything

it was a pretty interesting build too https://medal.tv/games/hades-ii/clips/jM4hfw9oZCKDCyQFZ?invite=cr-MSw1TkEsMTkwNDM3OTYwLA

[steel sequoia]

i feel like the shark boss is way harder than typhoon, i always get ministunned and lose like 50 health each hit

[forest oxide]

does ares work well with charon axe?

[tame spindle]

what would u put him on

could be fine on special for wounds but idk if the cast is good

[forest oxide]

maybe the special lol, i tried ares with daggers (attack) and the damage output was so little despite despite being heroic level 5 so i was thinking maybe chunky attacks are better for it

[tame spindle]

actually maybe meat grinder could be interesting

[tame spindle]

ares on attack isnt too bad but the damage % isnt a lot so u wanna be using wounds

grievous blow 😍

[forest oxide]

oooh whats ur go to if u wanna run an ares build?

just gathering a bunch of his boons to bolster the wounds?

[tame spindle]

yeah

[bleak night]

goddam

[tame spindle]

turn on origination and get someone on cast to activate it

[tame spindle]

bro it was such a funny run until then i just chopped every single boss

[forest oxide]

thanks mannnn im gonna try momus/charon with ares mwa

[tame spindle]

yippee

[torn whale]

is there an equivalent to the pan dagger + wave flourish combo for any other aspect?

[tame spindle]

what do u mean by that

[torn whale]

is there a sort of meta combination for any other weapon?

cause GOD it would be so boring if pan + poseidon was just objectively the best thing ever and nothing could beat it

[timber pawn]

It needs a visual indicator for the radius of the effect, also that radius probably needs to be expanded lol

[bleak night]

depends on what you mean by objective best

[tame spindle]

thats definitely not the case 😭

[bleak night]

Because Pan Poseidon spam is the best build but it's not the most accomplished aspect

[tame spindle]

poseidon best for pan probably but even then not the only viable option

[timber pawn]

For speedruns at anyfear it maybe is, it certainly was last patch

[bleak night]

I don't enjoy how Pan plays at all

I don't like standing there and channeling something

Charon's different because I can dash during the channel

[paper flare]

Axe in general might be the most well designed weapon I feel across all 3 aspects. Coat is also up there

[bleak night]

I feel like Nyx is a bit lacking in what Nightspawn does

Omega Boost is a nice idea but I don't really like the effect

[tame spindle]

u could probably use big chop in a spin build too

why is big chop lowkey fun asf

[bleak night]

you just dash attack to charge spin yeah

idk, I hate Big Chop lol

[tame spindle]

i took it second room in surface and then just ran with it all the way to typhon

i thought it was really funny that i was fighting typhon with big chop on 20 fear surface 😭

[magic moss]

there are many builds that are good and meta, but nothing really compares to pan poseidon because of how easy it is to set up. The core of the build is 3 boons that are all core boons and you have different hammer options that are all good. Other builds require a duo or decent amount of setup

[steel sequoia]

charon is pretty much easy too

[wintry jacinth]

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what happens if you order a Kiss of Styx from one of Hermes' shrines, but have Athena replenish your death defiances before it arrives?

[spare kite]

Wasted money I'd assume

[wintry jacinth]

Yeah that was my assumption too tbh

[torn whale]

is moon water always the #1 choice? Is nothing else comparable?

[wintry jacinth]

I've found that dark side can be pretty good! but moon water is usually my pick if it's one of the options

[willow phoenix]

I think projectile speed affects Prom's memorization flame wave lol, it's so slow with both medea and hermes projectile slow

[wintry jacinth]

also i love ur pfp

[willow phoenix]

I like lunar ray for damage

[torn whale]

thank you very much i love yours too

[timid temple]

total eclipse is goated

i dont think i'd take wolf howl over moon water but it's definitely a good panic button

[sage flame]

the best hexes imo are total eclipse for passive dps/some invuln with upgrades, wolf howl for iframes, and phase shift just in general

the others are okay, and don't get me wrong, I love them all

but lunar ray without the autofire feels bad, the sheep one literally doesn't do anything for bosses, night bloom sometimes is cool but is more often than not just very little help, and moon water is okay, doesn't work through scars tho afaik

[indigo terrace]

Phase Shift is my absolute favorite. Works so well in any build and offers you a lot of safety

[timid temple]

lunar ray feels awful. night bloom is kinda cheeks but i have a soft spot for it

[indigo terrace]

I've slowly come to respect the sheep morph one more. It can be really clutch against scary rooms on high fear

[timid temple]

yeah tbh i do like the sheep one shutting down a big enemy is rly nice

[sage flame]

this is true but honestly I'd rather just have like wolf howl or phase shift for scary rooms

[timid temple]

autowatcher DIEEEE

[wintry jacinth]

the sheep one also gives you the damage buff against cursed bosses even if they aren't transformed, right? or am I misremembering

[willow phoenix]

Sometimes phase shift doesn't work properly with damage effect and I find that annoying. Like with blitz it actually slows down the blitz cd too so you deal very little blitz during it

[timid temple]

oh yeah i dont think it's better than the first 3 you mentioned but if i have it i'll absolutely use it

[indigo terrace]

...Yikes, I was not aware of that

[timid temple]

meanwhile darkside i just kinda dgaf

[sage flame]

oh yeah I forgot about darkside

I like it tbh, def the most "I'm scared let me not die" button

[willow phoenix]

If only dark side has better upgrades

[sage flame]

it's damage can be okay too sometimes

winners circle makes the cast=ocast upgrade even better

[willow phoenix]

Dark side's upgrades are the most meh, I found the best damage for it is probably the special deals crit. The o cast upgrade needs winners circle to do anything

[indigo terrace]

Dark Side could really use some upgrades to its attacks and specials. It feels like it's just not quite there in its current form

[willow phoenix]

They need to fix or clarify the hex applies attack/special/dash upgrade, currently it only applies curse if available and that sucks

[sage flame]

yeah it's weird they don't make it add the damage

[willow phoenix]

I want my lunar ray to deal 2x damage with aphro boon pls sgg

It seems like projectile speed slow actually slows down Typhon's headbash? Or is it the gust or freeze that I have? Anyway his headbash is noticeably slower

[sage flame]

freeze will slow bosses down, since you cant fully freeze them

[gritty solstice]

Hey, guys, i need help with a Build

[willow phoenix]

Huh, I guess I just never noticed it on Typhon lol

[gritty solstice]

The Main Focus is Ares, Demeter and Heph. With the Duo Boon of Ares with Heph and Dem.

[willow phoenix]

Light smite is so good it might be my new favorite apollo boon

[steel sequoia]

we have a wiki with planner nowadays?

[gritty solstice]

The main source of Damage is the Omega cast or the single cast.

Descura, Aspect of Momus
Ares Cast + The spinning Blades
Ares and Dem Duo
Ares and Heph Duo
If we get lucky, Apollo and Ares duo
Dem omega cast boon

For this, which is the best arcana? Origination or Excellence?

[sage flame]

not excellence, def orig

[gritty solstice]

K, thanks

[stable lichen]

never pick excellence

[timber pawn]

Did they buff it or anything?

[willow phoenix]

The damage is aoe, so if a single enemy hits you, the revenge would hit back in a huge aoe

it basically clears out small mobs

[civic ocean]

Somewhat unrelated but it goes absolutely nasty with the ares zeus duo. Turns on origination in one hit and smokes a huge area

[timber pawn]

Great point as well, does light smite proc on every enemy hit? I just thought about that

[willow phoenix]

Yea it's great with heinous affront too, a single hit can cause a chain reaction

[civic ocean]

I see I have arrived to some excellence haters too

[willow phoenix]

There seems to be little to no cd at least, it procced a lot when I tanked a bunch of skulls in tartarus

[civic ocean]

I have been looking at it and I think it might be really good but idk

[stable lichen]

light smite is kinda cool

[magic moss]

i did a surface run yesterday at 0 fear and got jumpscared by the boon noise

[stable lichen]

what

[magic moss]

my brain is so cooked

[stable lichen]

are boon noises different at different fears

[magic moss]

i havent been playing with any boons in like a week

[stable lichen]

you what now

[timber pawn]

Wondering specifically w/ the heinous affront interaction but good to know

[magic moss]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[stable lichen]

are you actually kidding me lmfao, congrats

(why DDs instead of strength?)

[magic moss]

judgement, i did hordes1 void2 to hit 50

[stable lichen]

ah, fair enough

[magic moss]

hordes 3 makes erebus way too rng

[sage flame]

it's true and real

mini had had a healthy onion diet

[magic moss]

onion good

[stable lichen]

bro got stockholm syndromed

how many runs did you have to reset because charon wasn't giving you danaid daggers

[magic moss]

took me like 4 runs actually, run was more reliant on hitting wicked/mirrored if anything

now i did luck out super hard with danaid in tart well so made chronos a lot easier

i have a vod of it if you want to watch

[stable lichen]

huh, wouldve thought dagger > mirrored since a 2x damage boost not using mana would be better than a 2x boost using mana esp with no regen

[stable lichen]

gimme gimme

[magic moss]

https://youtu.be/Rqu9bKvgj2I

[stable lichen]

im slightly surprised you didnt run antler like the absolute madman you are ngl

[magic moss]

antler is far too risky tbh

at least with fangs I have a chance against bad fangs rooms

[stable lichen]

thats fair

also shoutout to unseen for actually being useful for once

[magic moss]

oh 100%, unseen actually hard carried

[stable lichen]

i will always maintain that unseen > excellence because there are niche situations like this which makes it useful

[forest oxide]

Hi do u guys prefer apollo or hera for charon cast?

[willow phoenix]

demeter lol, apollo for gain

[stable lichen]

speaking of onions, does taking an onion'd boon contribute to the god pool?

[uneven palm]

No

[stable lichen]

huh

[uneven palm]

They go in the pool when you accept an actual boon

[stable lichen]

i actually kinda like hera/aphro cast + arctic gale on charon for easy origination

[willow phoenix]

Demeter makes it much safer which is more preferable for me. I usually get my other curse for origination from the special

[stable lichen]

i like apollo spesh because it paves the way for exceptional talent

and also you get doublehits from the omega special a lot more with the wider circles

[civic ocean]

Could be wrong but I believe the cooldown listed in the tooltip only applies to the specific target? It looked to me like the initial wounding of each enemy procced a light smite

[willow phoenix]

The wider circle thing is bugged or changed rn, the o special stays the same

[stable lichen]

bruh

eh, exceptional talent is still nice

[timber pawn]

Ya thats how it works for divine vengeance

[willow phoenix]

You want demeter anyway for new o cast damage and the ares dem duo for more o cast damage

[stable lichen]

oh yeah, forgot about the ares/dem duo

[civic ocean]

I wonder if excellence is more dps than origination with charon with ares now

[stable lichen]

why excellence

[civic ocean]

Higher drop rate of blood drops

[stable lichen]

guess ares spesh would be the way to go then, ig i can get exceptional talent from apollo attack since im not using it anyways

[formal pulsar]

What is the current consensus on mental block vs divine dash atm? I used to always take mental before the patch but I feel like it was nerfed a little too much that I am leaning to divine dash especially with the new Hermes boon that makes dashing faster.

[stable lichen]

you can just pom the drop rate though, excellence is imo basically never worth

[willow phoenix]

divine dash, mental block is very bad rn

[civic ocean]

You can do both and then it’s even better

[willow phoenix]

divine dash got buffed, it's pretty long

[stable lichen]

for 5 grasp? no thanks, origination every time

if it was a 2 grasp id consider it

[civic ocean]

Origination is only what 50%?

[stable lichen]

thats a lot

definitely more than you'd get from a common to rare

[formal pulsar]

“Only” 50% global dmg

[civic ocean]

That isn’t even necessarily true

[stable lichen]

if you really want rarity that badly just take divinity, its so much easier to activate

[civic ocean]

Like with Charon specifically with the Ares Special

[sage flame]

are we excellence defending

[willow phoenix]

Just put the 5 grasp for boatman so you just get way more boons

[stable lichen]

sacrificing 5 grasp for the 1/2 chance of rarifying 2 blood drop boons is never worth

[willow phoenix]

origination is free damage

[civic ocean]

I don’t think that’s true

[willow phoenix]

The o cast damage is already hard to increase, origination is one of the few ways to do it

[civic ocean]

Doesn’t charon already massively increase the cleave cast damage

[stable lichen]

not by that much esp with night gone

[sage flame]

have you considered origination gives us juicy sfx and excellence doesn't

[magic moss]

yknow i completely forgot about origination as well

my brain is so fried from boonless xdd

i see a boon and instinctively want to roll away from it

[stable lichen]

how many times have you reset due to artemis randomly appearing lmao

[sage flame]

I'll def say you can skip origination for some builds

[civic ocean]

Max rank charon is like 30% damage?

[magic moss]

i just removed all the artemis boons in the code so she only gives me shared wealth, its in the vod lmao

[sage flame]

mini had a mod that made boons onions I think, dunno if it affected all gods

[stable lichen]

oh lol

[sage flame]

oh lmao

[stable lichen]

im waiting until dinner to watch the whole thing

[magic moss]

momus is genuinely 5th best aspect imo with the staff buffs

[stable lichen]

yeah

origination is 50%

[magic moss]

1-4 are ofc pan medea moros than

[stable lichen]

i think there might be an argument for medea/moros > pan after the warsong patch

[magic moss]

nah

[stable lichen]

arc flash moros is kinda insane though

[magic moss]

with removal of spiral think medea is about equal to pan, like pan/medea > moros/than

[stable lichen]

even with medea autofetching with the specials?

[civic ocean]

So with charon and furies and strength you are already at a cast damage modifier of 85%

At that point I am pretty sure that rarifying Grievous Blow and one of the blood drop boons is net more dps than going from 85->135%, and that doesn’t even include the other global modifiers you can get

[magic moss]

yes, pan is a 3 core boon build thats easy to hit and does a ton of damage

[stable lichen]

thats fair if how easy the build gets online is considered

[sage flame]

I think that's a big reason why pan is so consistent

[stable lichen]

this assumes you're always getting common --> rare grievous/blood drop boons though

theres a 50% chance excellence doesnt activate and theres a big chance that the boons offered will be rare or above with or without excellence

[civic ocean]

Do you know what a boon’s default rare chance is?

[signal coral]

Can I ask a few questions about general builds? I haven't played this game since the very beginning of the early access and a lot of stuff has changed since then.
I assume that most weapons will have either attack or special as their primary button, and therefore really want to get a good boon on that button

• Aphro/Apollo/Demeter/Hera seem to be the % damage boons gods in this game, so I think they're suitable for most weapons that have good base damage. Am I correct in saying that Aphro is probably the best % damage god for melee builds, and that Demeter Attack/Special is bad as a primary button due to low damage? (Her crowd control is obviously great with freeze, but I would prefer to put that on a secondary button or cast) I assume Apollo/Hera are solid choices for the primary button when Aphro doesn't apply or doesn't show up.

• Hestia and Poseidon seem to be the gods that are suited for fast attacking weapons. On which weapons do these boons out-damage the % damage gods? Also, when is Hestia better than Poseidon as a primary source of damage? Back in the early days you would just force Poseidon on everything fast attacking (Staff/Daggers, though it seems like they nerfed staff special speed a lot).

• Zeus/Hephaestus attack/special boons seem to be there for supplemental damage. I don't think they're good on your primary button that you're spamming? Correct me if I'm wrong on this but they feel more like a thing you throw on your secondary button that you weave in once every few seconds.

• Haven't met Ares yet, what is he good for?

[stable lichen]

someone here tell us, idk

[civic ocean]

Except for miniboss rooms it’s like 10% iirc

[sage flame]

don't sleep on zeus as a main damage source is all I'll say

and ares is good for big numbers with grievous

[civic ocean]

So it goes to 60, works with unpommable boons, provides a lot of base power increases, defensive value, hmmm

Sounds pretty good to me

[sage flame]

i just don't think sometimes better rarity is that good to use 1/6th of my grasp on

[civic ocean]

Usually better rarity

[sage flame]

other than core boons I don't really care most of the time

[stable lichen]

is divinity additional or multiplicative

[signal coral]

idk zeus boon doesnt actually increase damage of the primary button
it applies a status that deals good damage but isnt it better to apply the status with your secondary button and then hit them with your main button that has a different god boosting it?

[stable lichen]

does it add 20% to epic chance or does it 1.2x default epic chance

[civic ocean]

I am not 100% sold that it’s good to spend 1/6 of my grasp on a god boon and 4 rerolls or a conditional 50% damage increase either tbh

[signal coral]

in hades 1, it was additive, so I assume its also the case in hades 2

[spare kite]

If it's like h1 it should be add 20%

[signal coral]

also speaking for experience, rerolls are broken once you know how to build

[stable lichen]

ok so 25% epic, 10% rare, 65% common

excellence has a 32.5% chance of proccing common to rare

[spare kite]

Crazy

[civic ocean]

Is it?

[half sigil]

Aphro is good for high dmg but that's her whole gimmick she doesn't offer any other benefit almost. Hera is usually considered the best god. SHe has lower atk% but hitch is busted. Apollo hjas higher aoe so it's to be considered.
Poseidon/hestia works best on fast attacking weapon like baldes or Mel Coat. Hestia i would really only use if you can get her duo wtih Dem.
Dem freeze is good but i would almost only use it on cast

[civic ocean]

I think it depends

[stable lichen]

im not using 5 grasp on a 32.5% chance to increase a boon by 1 stage of rarity ngl

[civic ocean]

Not a boon, all boons

[uncut ginkgo]

I do not like the skulls, any recommendations for a build to change my mind?

[stable lichen]

ok fine, boons

but still, for 90% of the boons you can pom them anyways

[signal coral]

iirc excellence is not worth the grasp cost

[civic ocean]

You can still pom them

[stable lichen]

like if it was a 2/3 cost i might consider it

[spare kite]

What boon has significant scaling from common to rare to actually be good

[signal coral]

some boons scale better with poms and others scale better with rarity

[civic ocean]

Basically every Hermes and Artemis boon?

[signal coral]

but usually if that boon is really important you can rarify it with keepsake

or it randomly rolls epic for free due to the other arcana

[half sigil]

using keepsake is 1 random,. and 2 is an opportunity cost

[spare kite]

Yeah but I still have divinity which I just activate often anyways

I don't need to pay 5 grasp for that

[civic ocean]

You don’t actually activate divinity very often though

[stable lichen]

artemis boon rarity basically never matters, it adds like a couple % or something

[spare kite]

I do?

[civic ocean]

Like objectively speaking you don’t really

[stable lichen]

for PP common to rare is just +1%

[half sigil]

i also never take excellence personally. 5 is too much i'd rather have orig

[sage flame]

which is divinity

[spare kite]

Even on charon I have sorc on just for it

[sage flame]

duos?

[spare kite]

+20% epic, turn on row or column

[civic ocean]

I think thats sorta default opinion but the more I look at it the more I think one of Boatman or Orig can be dropped for Excel esp on surface

[stable lichen]

thing is, if you go out of your way to activate divinity 9/10 times it’s gonna take less than 5 grasp

[spare kite]

You have even more value for gold on surface

[half sigil]

i mean sure, i just value boatman + more reroll more personally

[spare kite]

Hermes shrines are goated

[half sigil]

they do be goated

[civic ocean]

Boatman gives you one boon on debt 2 which is what I play on

[half sigil]

1 boon is good and it's also +4 reroll

which is what i really care about poersonally. But i get your point

[civic ocean]

Yeah I think so too but I also think Winner’s Circle and Nitro boost rarified is worth probably more than one boon to me on an omega cast build

[spare kite]

I don't mind winner's circle rarity tbh

[sage flame]

yeah the cast speed is the less helpful part ngl

[spare kite]

Also yeah I can see turning off origination sometimes but not for excellence is my issue lol

[civic ocean]

Its speeds them both up

[sage flame]

I can see success rate rarity being nice

[half sigil]

turning off orig is unthinkable for me lol

[civic ocean]

I think we have so much dmg%

like its really hard to take boons from a non hephastus god and have it not be oops I do more damage

One thing I am going to start tracking in my runs is what % damage modifiers everything has

Because like we think 50% damage is insane so obviously 25% must be insane too right but how often does anyone bring Lion Fang to Chronos

[half sigil]

i think they could be a bit clearer on what's mult or additive personally

[sage flame]

I sometimes bring lions fang to chronos >_> esp since fig is changed, im too scared to antler

[spare kite]

I think a better argument is medea's keepsake lol
Global is global

[civic ocean]

But like no it isnt anymore

[sage flame]

I just assume it always whatevers worse for my damage lol

[civic ocean]

There are a bunch of things that give global now

[half sigil]

isn't aphro mostly global

[civic ocean]

Hera is mostly global

[half sigil]

like sweet surrender and shameless

[spare kite]

She has 2 globals yeah

[half sigil]

what dmg boost hera has?

[spare kite]

Hera has "technically not global but it buffs flat dmg" + uncommon grace (lol)

[stable lichen]

H1 family favourite or whatever it’s called now

[civic ocean]

Grace and the family one

[half sigil]

extended family?

[stable lichen]

yeah that ones global damage i think

[cursive oyster]

nobody brings fang to chronos because antler exists and 80% is a bigger number thank 25%

[half sigil]

Isn't it just god effect tho? and not actual dmg

[stable lichen]

wait is it

[half sigil]

yes

[sage flame]

:c what if ur scared to antler

[cursive oyster]

and people do bring fang to chronos

[civic ocean]

It is but if you care about global thats what you care about

[civic ocean]

How often

[half sigil]

Ok but i mean how relevant is it when it only affects a small part of your dmg

[cursive oyster]

when you need damage but are scared to click antler?

[half sigil]

i guess if yoiu do a scorch build

[civic ocean]

Presumably it would be a big part of your damage (scorch/waves/zeus/etc)

[half sigil]

fair enough

is it different from rallying cry? besides diff values

[civic ocean]

No

[half sigil]

ok

[spare kite]

R.cry is silly cuz it doesn't work with wounds

Still a fun infusion

[half sigil]

eh i mean makes sense

[civic ocean]

But yeah also rallying cry, Mutual, grievous, etc, there’s like sooooo many ways to amp damage now

[cursive oyster]

eh it works with swords and i think rifts so

[cursive oyster]

and origination is one of the best

[half sigil]

yea. I been having fun trying to get max single dmg number. I'm up to 16k on selene o attack lol

[spare kite]

What's the base power of selene o atk? With that one hammer ofc

[uneven palm]

I think 350 with World Collider?

[spare kite]

Oh damn 50 more power than chop

[half sigil]

didn't they buff it

iirc used to be 350 with WC before

ok yea no just tried it's 250 (without WC)

But now with ares it's stupid

[stable lichen]

grievous blow is so stupid lol

probably only rivalled by arc flash

[half sigil]

even single elimination

is it global also?

[uneven palm]

Single Elimination is proper global, yeah

[half sigil]

yea i had a feeling. it's nuts

30% global for free

[civic ocean]

Hmmmm

Sure does make 5 grasp for 50% global look less necessary

[half sigil]

i mean yea i think it is

50% global is still nuts

[civic ocean]

What is the single elimination jump from common to rare

[half sigil]

20 25 30 iirc

[spare kite]

If its gonna mult with your ares noncrits and crits I def take the +50% additive

[half sigil]

yea

50% global is massive i would never not have it. But i'm a dmg addict

[civic ocean]

I think this is definitely something for me to start tracking

How much total rare boons a run ends with and multiply the value by like 32.5%

[obsidian remnant]

i wound up dropping orig because i need health and rerolls haha i'd have orig up so often and not actually get 2 curses to apply, or at least not regularly

[civic ocean]

I mean that’s the other side of it too

[half sigil]

i almost always have orig up before end of first area

[civic ocean]

Once you start running onion fear I would imagine Origination is up slower

[obsidian remnant]

exactly yeah

[half sigil]

not in ephyra

in UW yea maybe but UW is easier

[obsidian remnant]

denial too

[civic ocean]

Well I mean even in ephyra right like you lose a boon still it is a least a tiny bit slower

[half sigil]

yea of course but still it's fairly easy

[obsidian remnant]

yeah and you can also go through the rift without getting any boons

[civic ocean]

Unlucky

[half sigil]

you get like 5 boon-6 boons

[civic ocean]

Does anyone have the link to that build maker/arcana picker

[half sigil]

maybe not 6 with onin but 5

[obsidian remnant]

yeah but also like not all boons offer curses?

and not all ephyra rooms are boons, so yeah i think it just depends on a few things haha

[half sigil]

yes i know but out of 5 getting 2 curses isn't the end of the world

[spare kite]

That's why we have 10 rolls lol

[half sigil]

you get 1 boon from shop

[spare kite]

Worst case scenario is just ephyra too

[half sigil]

that leaves 7 other rewards

[civic ocean]

Hmmmmmge I think in ephyra specifically Im leaning towards some builds going no boatman, especially Ares ones

[obsidian remnant]

idk i dont like spending 5 grasp to maybe proc orig especially on weapons or builds where i have to angle hard to get curses

[half sigil]

to each their own., i personally have orig up almost instanlty every time

or shortlty after poly

[obsidian remnant]

i should re-enable it again and see how i feel, it's honestly been a while haha

[civic ocean]

Or on every run that matters right

[half sigil]

yea yea

[civic ocean]

That’s another thing about this is that we have a very high-jump mentality about the game

[half sigil]

and if really you have the worst ephyra luck and you are high fear just reset whatever

[uneven palm]

I only drop Orig if like I'm doing a huuuge attack/special build where like Aphro + Huntress are giving me 300% and 50% additive is like whatever at that point

[half sigil]

huntress isn't global tho is it?

[spare kite]

Yeah but if you are doing only attack who cares

Same bonus and 3 cheaper

Unless the build is omega then back to ori lol

[half sigil]

hold on maybe i'm stupid but if you do 100 dmg with your huntress + aphro, woudln't orig make it do 150

assuming you have 300% from aphro and huntress and nothing else

that's where the whole global thing matters unless i'm misunderstanding

[civic ocean]

So I think the thing I am trying to puzzle out

Is at what point does the average base power increase + the average speed increase + the average crit/dub chance + the average bulk increase + the average % damage increase that any given run will get from 50% of the common boons offered to them going rare outwiegh either Boatman or Origination or some other combo of 5 grasp

It isn’t this simple, but one way of looking at it is that if excellence rarifies 5 common boons over the course of a run, that is the equivalent of about 5 poms of power, which on Debt 2 has a money value of about 900, three times what Boatman offers. Of course, re-rolls are hard to measure in value so it’s not a fair comparison but yeah

[half sigil]

idk just hunch but i highly doubt 5 pom is worht 50% global but there are too many variables and maybe i'm just wrong

[civic ocean]

I think it super depends right

Like for your super punch I think the % modifier is really good because you already have an incredibly high base power

But another really good example is Charon and Blood Drops from earlier - now we’re talking about an attack speed angle something that Charon makes excellent use of and that’s some Excellence should be able to offer that build

[quick crescent]

on the topic of blood drops- is universal donor all that good?

insofar as i know it just lets you keep up to 20 blood drop bonuses between locations

[obsidian remnant]

i like it on slower weapons like axe or when i'm running a dash build but i'm not sure i'd call it necessary

[civic ocean]

If my understanding of blood drops is correct then it’s pretty good yeah

[quick crescent]

but does that increase the cap of blood drops you can gather or does it just let you reach the same cap faster?

[obsidian remnant]

more like it raises the minimum floor, so as long as you leave a location with 20, you'll never not have 20

[civic ocean]

Permanent 20% move and attack speed is like really valuable on a bunch of weapons I think

[spare kite]

Permanent droplet funny

[civic ocean]

Can you lose blood drops once you have them?

[spare kite]

Or +40% if you high roll for his legendary

[obsidian remnant]

yeah they reset between locations unless you have universal donor

[quick crescent]

very much like urge to kill in that it's just, meh, nice to have- slower weapons like axe definitely want it permanently where as the blades could take it over leave it

[civic ocean]

Yeah so the duo is basically a permanent 20% movement and attack speed increase

But they instead take you to 40

[quick crescent]

yeah that's kinda my thinking

it's just inoffensive

[obsidian remnant]

i'm one of those "sensitive to 2 much sprint" folks so i expected to hate it but i actually love it and i'm not sure why. i loved it on xinth with an ares/heph duo dash build

[civic ocean]

Is there an actual movement speed or attack speed cap that you can reasonably hit with blood drops?

[quick crescent]

ooh how does blood drop on nyx feel i wonder

[obsidian remnant]

you can also stop grabbing them at a certain point, unless you want to take the legendary so they come to you automatically

[spare kite]

There's no cap lol, you can zooooom

[obsidian remnant]

nyx is xinth right?

[quick crescent]

i haven't actually unlocked that yet but i know that there's an omega sprint that comes with her aspect

[quick crescent]

corrrrrrect

[spare kite]

Blood drops torches too funny

[obsidian remnant]

i've never run it, sounds like a fun experiment!

[formal pulsar]

I like Hera Ares duo boon even more than the legendary. Consistency is king imo

[quick crescent]

the thing i love about hades ii as compared to hades i is that i haven't played the game in like a week but i've been building obsessively off of what i think of from the wiki

[spare kite]

Add fine line to comically burn your mana

[civic ocean]

It obviously works super well on Charon

Since that aspect doesn’t get its omega special speed boosted by most stuff

[keen moon]

Does anyone have advice for optimal builds for the Twin Blades: Aspect of Pan? It's obviously Ospecial focused so optimal boons would apply curses from special but how would you build the cast with that?

[spare kite]

Anything that completes origination

[cursive oyster]

you want poseidon on your special, it gives the most damage and aoe by far. look for orig on your cast, arctic ring and engagement ring are good for this

[formal pulsar]

Poseidon special and Demeter cast. Hera gain and whatever else defensive or hestia for more damage

[cursive oyster]

best hammers are hidden knives sudden flurry and reaper knives

[quick crescent]

i really wanna try than + heaven strike + psychic whirlwind and romantic spark

[keen moon]

is there a guide on the wiki on what you need to complete ideal builds?

I've been fooling around with different aspects and wanted to give Pan a try but literally never played with it before last night so very blind in the build

[cursive oyster]

all you need is pos special and a way to complete origination, ares pos duo is nice, and just look for the hammers i mentioned above and you kinda just kill things

[uncut ginkgo]

is there anything special you need to do to have athena show up? I've gone through now olympus and most of the summit and not seen her

[civic ocean]

Everybody is gonna tell you Poseidon but I really like Pan with Hestia Special, leads into some really cool synergies

[keen moon]

what is origination exactly? I'm not sure what you are referring to

[spare kite]

She only shows up in olympus naturally, just pray

[cursive oyster]

arcana card in the 4th row, gives +50% damage against enemies with two or more status effects

[uncut ginkgo]

I have her trinket equipped though

[keen moon]

once she does show up you can keep a keepsake from her that increases her chance to show up I think

[cursive oyster]

when maxxed, at base its 25%

[uncut ginkgo]

Yes, I have the keepsake, but she hasn't spawned yet

[spare kite]

Her keepsake doesn't work in olympus, for summit do you have 0 dds

[keen moon]

OOOH, lol yeah I do not have all the arcana and boon names memorized yet

[uncut ginkgo]

ohhh

[civic ocean]

They have DDs

[civic ocean]

Athena only shows up if you have no death deficiencies

[keen moon]

That's impressive you guys have all those cards and boons memorized. Don't mind my casual player knowledge over here

[civic ocean]

There isn’t a really useful shorthand for what it’s called either

[uncut ginkgo]

Yes, I am using strength.

[civic ocean]

3 per second

[keen moon]

What arcana cards would yall suggest as must keeps no matter what weapon and build you are going for?

[civic ocean]

Honestly none of them

[uncut ginkgo]

This makes so much sense

[civic ocean]

People generally say to turn bottom left 4 on and top 4 right off in most circumstances but it always depends

[spare kite]

Furies/persistence is always on for me

[cursive oyster]

persistence, the 4 in the bottom left corner, sorceress, furies, either death or strength, and origination are the ones i keep on

[civic ocean]

I mean yeah

I do always play with scars 3 on

[keen moon]

Is the Black Coat that good for fighting Typhon? Is that shield it offers really useful for fighting him given his atk pattern?

[civic ocean]

What the

It blocks damage

[keen moon]

I've made it to him twice and haven't worked out an optimal fighting strategy based on his atks and pattern

[civic ocean]

Yeah don’t sweat it, it takes time. If you can I would recommend taking knuckle bones into him pretty often while you are learning the patterns, so you take less damage and deal a nice fat chunk right off the start.

Typhon is partially a damage check, the moves cover almost the whole dang screen especially in phases 3 and 4. Just remember to keep applying damage and don’t worry too much about blocking/playing defensively

[keen moon]

Yeah I've been playing the coat more because it came out with the last update with Prometheus but I'm finding the attack and Oattack are not really worth using. The ranges are bad and the attack speed is bad and requires boon support when I could be choosing better boons

[civic ocean]

Once you get the hang of the patterns you can start using the O attack shield to help block for sure

[spare kite]

Does Typh have unblockables? Outside of tail cuz that one seems obvious

[keen moon]

First run I had a lot of health and major curses on the Ospecial so I just ate the attks and delt damage as fast as possible lol. I'll keep that up

[civic ocean]

He’s hard! Definitely the hardest fight in the series to date I would say

[keen moon]

Any tips on dodging the lazer tongue? The irregular wiggle it has makes it hard to predict so is it better to get close to him to dodge it?

[cursive oyster]

the tongue itself has no hitbox so just hug him and you’re fine

you can do a lot of damage during that attack if you get close

[keen moon]

For his head bash, does the hitbox extend to the red impact wave shown? like the animation

[cursive oyster]

yes

[civic ocean]

Am I right in assuming that when he’s stunned you can’t deal more damage than his third phase has

[cursive oyster]

lfg new patch dropped

mel skulls might go crazy now

[spare kite]

AXE O SPECIAL CHANNELING finally

[formal pulsar]

Where are the patch notes?

[spare kite]

#hades2-patch-notes

[keen moon]

LETS GO SKULLS

I wanted the skulls to be so good but the limit of shells made it so hard to play

[mint nexus]

The skulls seemed like a cool concept but they have not been fun to play at any point. Hopefully they’re better now!

[cursive oyster]

i’d say night/eternity are worth taking sometimes

[keen moon]

Can you dm me this so I can pin it and save it so I don't lose it?

[cursive oyster]

not really you just take it over huntress, it also turns on moon

[keen moon]

i love the idea of them but they are really tough to play especially if you lose where the skulls are

[civic ocean]

Do people auto-take persistence that often?

[spare kite]

Yeah??

[formal pulsar]

I cannot believe Charon is finally fixed

[spare kite]

Even then what do I use 2 grasp

[civic ocean]

Well I mean for one more grasp I think you on average get way more than 40/40 from Artificer right

[formal pulsar]

Not necessarily and you want consistent gain not rng drops. And artificer is 3 grasp not 2

[mint nexus]

Having the first game’s cast mechanic on a base attack was not a good idea imo

[keen moon]

exactly

[wild swan]

Oooooooooooooo more skulls

[stable lichen]

wait, did they fix channeling speed with charon?

[spare kite]

Yup

[stable lichen]

let’s gooooooo

wait did they also fix apollo ospesh with axe so you get more double hits? charon is eating good this patch

[civic ocean]

This is a really inspiring answer to me, I think this can kick off a really cool project

[keen moon]

Ok so how do you play the torches

[spare kite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC1P7zaFlCM&feature=youtu.be

[proven citrus]

the hp is obv good even if you’re a “just don’t get hit 5head” type of player, but the 40 magick speeds up the early chambers a ton for me

[keen moon]

because people be saying they're good and Moros is a godly aspect

[paper flare]

I love this build guide

I will steal this

[civic ocean]

Yeah I generally take it a lot if I am using magic

But if I am taking Frinos and not using magic I basically never take persistence

[stable lichen]

took em long enough

im assuming they gave apollo ospesh the ability to double hit more easily too, charon is so back

[slate trench]

Moros - cast an omega special or two, dash around shooting omega attack into them and watch everything in range get deleted

[proven citrus]

specifically for moros, you set up your omega special and then get in close with your attack. the damage output even with 0 boons is extremely high

i think one of my misconceptions about the torches early is that they're a long range weapon, when they really aren't unless you're using eos

[civic ocean]

Even then with Eos you honestly want to be on top of the enemy with your bro

[keen moon]

Ok so Ospecial the Oattack

[magic moss]

yknow what would be funny

[stable lichen]

honestly, the easiest way to play torches right now is just:

step 1: get zeus attack

step 2: get arc flash

step 3: spam omega attack and win with constant blitz

[magic moss]

if i reset the board again for the patch :))))))))

[keen moon]

Arc flash? who's boon is that?

[magic moss]

im not for the record, it would be funny tho XD

[slate trench]

Yea and nothing wrong with normal dash attacks in a lot of cases but once the omega charges it's crazy damage

[civic ocean]

Was there any like huge change that would necessitate that

[slate trench]

Just always try to have ospecials up

[stable lichen]

zeus, blitz triggers when you damage a foe with omegas

when you're using torch you're spamming omega attacks

[keen moon]

oooh ok

[stable lichen]

you honestly dont even need that for a zeus attack spam build, you can just spam omegas from afar

[main beacon]

oh youre telling me i wasnt supposed to have hermes as my first boon for 100 runs straight

[civic ocean]

You can also try Pink Aura if you want

[keen moon]

so then you need some sorta of mana charging boon to keep the mana up?

[stable lichen]

born gain

[proven citrus]

a really strong boon for mel torches is to put blitz on your special and aim for romantic spark. then you're just o-specialling and dashing the whole time

[civic ocean]

They really wanted you to get through that text!

[stable lichen]

and dog maybe

[stable lichen]

who needs romantic spark when you have arc flash :P

[main beacon]

highkey i accepted it and rationalized it as "if anyone is first it would be that guy"

[proven citrus]

static shock is kind of crazy these days

[slate trench]

A really strong build for pretty much any aspect any weapon is "get blitz and hitch" lol

[magic moss]

if there were a ton of surface clears, then yes considering a decent amount of surface did get nerfed so I would separate them pre patch and post patch. However there was 1 surface 50+ and that was Mynts 55 iirc so no need to reset. If anything Charon is easier now so any clears done prior should be marked as harder lmfao

[stable lichen]

im surprised this patch didnt emergency nerf it (along with grievous blow)

[keen moon]

for dashing all the time are you just holding that or using the auto dash?

[stable lichen]

i think "get blitz and wounds --> grievous blow" might be even stronger

[civic ocean]

Oh yeah I guess Prometheus and Typhon got nerfed huh

[proven citrus]

well the way romantic spark works is that it detonates your blitz when you dash through an enemy. so you have the specials up to basically guarantee your enemy always has the blitz effect and dash whenever you want to trigger it. sprinting doesn't count

[stable lichen]

is romantic spark faster than arc flash though

[proven citrus]

there's nothing stopping you from doing both

[civic ocean]

Well

[stable lichen]

fair enough ig

[civic ocean]

Yes there is, the internal blitz cooldown

[stable lichen]

for arc flash builds i like zeus attack instead of special though because you can spam omega attacks faster than omega special rotations

while for romantic spark i think you'd take zeus spesh

[proven citrus]

it kind of makes me sad that zeus and hera don't have a real "duo" where they play nicely with each other given how good they are together

i love the ransom boons though, so funny

[civic ocean]

On the other hand it’s extremely funny to get like +12 poms on all of your Zeus/Hera boons

[proven citrus]

such huge potential for both of them

zeus for everything, hera if you have a big fine line and want infinity magick

[tough pasture]

Hi friends, I'm having a difficult time understanding the new engraved pin...

Can someone simplify it for me?

[obsidian remnant]

i can never get born gain to work on high magic builds lol i always prime myself out

[spare kite]

it just doesn't work with strength anymore, mechanics are the same

[tough pasture]

@civic ocean I like your username "relearning the game"
lol, yeah...i'm basically in the same boat now.

[civic ocean]

The only real difference is that the pin’s presence is counted as a death defiance effect. So you will not be able to use Strength while it is not used

I have been relearning and unlearning stuff in this game like crazy yeah

[stable lichen]

a few mana pots go a long way

[civic ocean]

Even with the dog?

[stable lichen]

unless you're running something like explosive intent fine line weed killer torches or something insane

[obsidian remnant]

yes lmao

[civic ocean]

Damn thats crazy

[stable lichen]

what builds are you using lol

[civic ocean]

Fwiw I think the mana intensive builds are a lot better in the UW than the Surface

[tough pasture]

@spare kite
@civic ocean

I was one of the few not using strength (I guess because I was either a weirdo or didn't understand how to maximize the meta).

But can we use engraved pin multiple times in 1 biome?

[stable lichen]

biome yes, location no

[stable lichen]

i think they're similar ngl, you just have to make sure to grab the dog and get a couple mana pots

[civic ocean]

I am not sure if it behaves any differently. i think once per encounter still?

[spare kite]

yeah the mechanics weren't changed outside of that

[tough pasture]

I shouldn't have included location. That's just me needlessly complicating things.

[spare kite]

the pin icon just comes back next room

[civic ocean]

The biggest difference is Chaos is something like 80% more likely to show up and Chaos is the goat of making you use less mana or gain more

[tough pasture]

Ok, got it.

[stable lichen]

but ephyra often has a big mana pot which goes a looong way

although ig explosive intent only shows up on the surface so you are technically more likely to drain mana there

[civic ocean]

Keepsakes work quite a bit differently now though, I do find myself taking Engraved Pin way less often

[steel sequoia]

i was getting on prom bc he was annoying, ill check the nerfs later i cant play upcoming days anymore

[uneven palm]

Every fight (including locations with multiple encounters), if you die you have 1 instance of 10 seconds of complete invulnerability. If you finish the fight before 10s is up, you don't lose any Death Defiance and keep 60 HP. If you don't finish in time, you lose a defiance (or end of run, if you have none)

[jovial cove]

just downloaded the patch and holy crap did skull need these buffs it's so strong now

[uneven palm]

THEY FIXED CHARON

[magic moss]

medea gets ANOTHER buff man

law of equivalent exchange ig, for every staff buff medea gets 3

[uneven palm]

lol you picked the wrong horse @magic moss

they'll buff Zeus again before buffing Staff 😛

[magic moss]

im not salty

[jovial cove]

yeah medea sure but like

mel skull is getting huge benefits now

[magic moss]

oh 100% mel skulls is insane now like jesus christ, but also MEDEA MAN

special giving auto skull retrieval removed that issue on medea, and now the new buff made medea have NEGATIVE skull problems

[sage flame]

:)

[quick crescent]

i don't know if there's much of a point to the engraved pin besides some challenge and extra survivability on high fear runs

[uneven palm]

It is huge on very high fear with defiances, if you're running that

[quick crescent]

but my friend did get 216% bonus damage out of hades' last gasp boon using the engraved pin and stalwart stand from athena

[uneven palm]

10s of free carnage can carry

[uneven palm]

Wide Grin stonks

[last cape]

why the heck did they make the skull so busted out of nowhere

[uneven palm]

probably because 90% of people complain about it

[civic ocean]

How many skulls is it

[uneven palm]

5 base ammo now

omg 7 need to do a Persephone Wide Grin Bolstered Array run now

[jovial cove]

I'll be real I couldn't use skull at higher fear because I would always get bodied and die
now that it's overpowered I don't think I'll have the same issues

[magic moss]

its just not fair mannnnnnn

[last cape]

It was already good lmao

[formal pulsar]

Skull is bonkers now. It was already good after last patch. This is too much imo

[civic ocean]

Lmao

[jovial cove]

it feels so good though

[magic moss]

im in absolute shambles rn

[civic ocean]

So the fifth skull has 100 bonus power?

[magic moss]

80

[uneven palm]

Wait until you see how fast you can attack

[jovial cove]

five skulls direct fire and auto return don't make them take those away

[last cape]

yeah it's insane, I have common aphro attack and I just melted ephyra on 32 fear hitless

[indigo terrace]

Yeah the skull is just busted

[jovial cove]

mel skull is a 500 damage combo

it's like two volleys and skelly's dead

[magic moss]

btw when i have time im 100% running mel skulls 50 boonless

[last cape]

They decided they were tired of moros being the best aspect

now it's mel skull baybeeeee

[magic moss]

think i can unironically push 53 with new mel skulls

[formal pulsar]

Persephone and skull special left kicking in the dirt

[last cape]

Ok now I have a heroic aphro attack and 24% crit lethal snare

I think I could kill typhon right now lmao

[uneven palm]

Yeah but Wide Grin tho

[sage flame]

yeah no skull special buffs is tough

[uneven palm]

@civic ocean https://imgur.com/a/ACpok6K loool

[sage flame]

iframes I guess

[civic ocean]

Lmao

[magic moss]

oh yeah 100% 53 is possible

[jovial cove]

I find skull special has its place if you slap on eternity, you get a lot of safety that way

[runic isle]

sorry for interupting the convo! so ive been playing for a while and i basicly know no builds in this game, basicly only slashing and smashing around. i did fall in lve with the axe tho. any fellow axe enjoyers got a fun build for me to try out?

[magic moss]

no boons frfr

[last cape]

I'm not even gonna lie just revert this skull change lmao. I like the dagger change though

[runic isle]

lmao

[civic ocean]

What I find fun on the axe right now: either mel or than axe with the following:

Ares Attack
Attack hammers
Mutual Destruction and Grievous Blow
Blood drop boons
Life Affirmation(aph)
Sea Star and Water Fitness(Poseidon)
Success Rate (Hermes)

Try to get as much HP as you possible can and watch the humongous red number pop out of enemies when you chop them

Can also do Ares special and aph attack if you prefer, Hearty appetite from dem+aph as well

[thin ridge]

Special runs can be nuts

With a good nova flourish+siege shredder/giga cleaver

[runic isle]

ill try it out thank you!

[primal phoenix]

Is Apollo any good on Mel's Axe ? Was thinking of building chances of evading, with an Ares special

[civic ocean]

I think most people consider Lucid Gain to be best gain for Charon, and now that the bug is fixed it’s also really interesting with the omega special since the aoe is so big

[runic isle]

one of my favorits so farr is the bigger attack areas on mels axe, i have no idea if its anyy good but it sure feels funny

[primal phoenix]

Which one is Lucid Gain again ? My game's not in english so I sometime mix things up, I should probably switch its language so I can better get you guys haha

[formal pulsar]

Can someone explain the Persephone wide grin hammer thing?

[civic ocean]

“Gain” always means mana reso

[civic ocean]

Persephone buffs Omega damage by quite a bit so you can get a strong attack boon and wide grin and then hit enemies with an orbital cannon

[primal phoenix]

So Apollo special for Charon ? Who would you go for the attack then ?

[formal pulsar]

I see and I assume that’s just better than the traditional cast into omega special play style that the aspect is leaning towards

[surreal hazel]

Accidentally took the white antler instead of the metallic droplet for the Summit

I guess I just proved that I can do that, somehow. Lunar Ray MVP I guess

[civic ocean]

Charon really only has one super core boon and that’s a really strong gain, generally lucid gain

Then the typical build is to use the following:

-a strong special that is good at hitting far away enemies (Hera Ares and Zeus are all really good here if you run Origination, the arcana card that gives a damage boost if you apply two status curses)

-a cast that can deal a lot of area damage or hold enemies in place (Hera, Aphrodite, Demeter all good here again for Origination)

-ways to increase your omega special speed
-ways to increase your omega cast damage (Posiedon’s Geyser Spout is faaaantastic)

[primal phoenix]

Okay, I almost always Origination yeah love it, thanks alot for the little guide I really neglected the Omega on the axe, will give this a spin I think !

[civic ocean]

People might change their mind a bit on Charon because it just recently got a massive buff

[jovial cove]

can confirm that vow of wards is no longer an issue for skull

[civic ocean]

Is anything an issue for skull anymore

[surreal hazel]

given that it is now an autocannon, not sure

add in posideon or hestia and it's definitely not a problem with wards

[magic moss]

guys do i study for my exam or attempt skull boonless 50

[civic ocean]

55

[magic moss]

no, 53 at the highest

[civic ocean]

What do you need to have off

[magic moss]

i dont find playing 55 fun

[magic moss]

void3 and not void4

[civic ocean]

Oh is it like judgement

[magic moss]

ye

[civic ocean]

Dope

[fervent narwhal]

so

mel skulls is just the best one right now?

[civic ocean]

Well idk what you mean by best

[magic moss]

no idea, medea might still be better but needs playtime and testing

[fervent narwhal]

did the attack buff benefit medea in any way?

[civic ocean]

Yeah you can stack up more bombas right

Presumably they also load faster but idk

[magic moss]

apparently there was a 10 base power nerf

[fervent narwhal]

i also saw that the ammo increase hammer is still the same lol.. 7 ammo is insane

[bleak night]

Bruh I just did my Skull runs yesterday

Well 2 of them 6 hours ago

[civic ocean]

Sorry all the runs yesterday are INVALID

[bleak night]

I could have waited ig

Also Olympus and Summit are weaker ig

[civic ocean]

I’ve been cooking some heinous stuff with Winner Circle

Prominence Flare makes me so sad man

[bleak night]

Yeah it sucks

[civic ocean]

Do you know if they fixed the bug with Seismic Hammer where it wasn’t being offered unless you had Tidal

[lunar lance]

Traces of Spirit from MEdea (5 max magic every encounter) and Uncanny Fortune (gain max HP based on max MP)

Sounds like a good time to me

[civic ocean]

Uncanny fort is one-time right

[lunar lance]

wait, is it?

[uneven palm]

guys 7 omega attacks is very funny https://imgur.com/a/5Fvq38V

[lunar lance]

Nope! I just checked. Went into an encounter with 145 magick and 262 health
Walked out of it with 150 magick and 264 health.

[magic moss]

im wiping the board go do everything again

[lunar lance]

I'm gaining 5 max magick and 2 max hp every fight.

[civic ocean]

So we get this, the power boost from icarus, antler, 100% ares double chance, and as much % damage as possible and try to 4 shot typhon?

[bleak night]

[uneven palm]

Yeah this had Grievous but no Lethal Snare, antler, etc

or Apollo lego which I dunno even know what would happen here

[civic ocean]

Oh god

Surely it’s 8 right

And not 14

[uneven palm]

Proooooobably but what if 14

[civic ocean]

Learn smth new every day

[lunar lance]

I kinda wanna try a run where I aim for Demeter's Frosty Veneer.

I feel like that's the only way I can make the antler worth using.

That and combining it with Ares's health drain boon and probably the stance boon from Athena

[uneven palm]

oh yeah Uncanny just keeps going. It's great

[lunar lance]

And I've got the curse from Medea that gives me more max magick after every encounter.

[civic ocean]

Mint Condition and Trusty Shield are probably the best Antler protectors, them and the new companion

[proven citrus]

mint condition, trusty shield, snow queen, gale, dodge chance and if you get lucky you can pick up heavy metal before the final boss

[civic ocean]

Yeah I am thinking of doing a skull build with that

[bleak night]

I don't really recommend Ares for the most part on Charon anymore since Sorceress works on it now

[proven citrus]

the new hermes dodge boon has high potential. i can usually get ~30 boons by the end of a run and that's 30% dodge at epic

[civic ocean]

Its a decent 4th just for fat red numbers/orig applicator on special I guess?

[uneven palm]

Why not? Wouldn't Grievous castsplosions be pretty good?

[bleak night]

can just find Zeus or Hera instead and be a lil more consistent for Orig as well

Sworn Flourish + Extended Family is just as good

[civic ocean]

Yeah I agree I don’t think id roll off of ares but would never keepsake him anymore

[bleak night]

still good, just not top prio

[civic ocean]

Probably Apollo start and then Posiedon is the only like true core then just find your special and your cast in there somewhere

[proven citrus]

you can only have one doom knife on an enemy at a time, right? even if they come from different sources like cut above and the cast?

[bleak night]

yep, thinking the same

[civic ocean]

I mean I am gonna do my usual thing and play Charon stupidly like with storm ring beyblade build or somesuch but

That sounds meta

[proven citrus]

posideon or fish for the ares/dem duo?

[civic ocean]

On what

[proven citrus]

charon

[civic ocean]

Only if you’re doing my stupid beyblade build do you take the ares/dem duo but in that case you would want both

Zeus/ares/dem/pos

Take eternity arcana and if you get psychic whirlwind alternate between charging your omega cast and omega attack while the time slowed enemies get blendered by whatever is spinning around you

[lunar lance]

so, I think I underestimated Poseidon's High Surf boon until trying it out.

The damage is nice, sure. But the real benefit, I've found, is the visual. It basically acts as an additional visual tell for when the enemy is about to launch an attack. Just fought Eris with the boon active, and it's never been easier to know exactly when she's going to fire her sniper shot.

She sits there aiming for several long seconds, but then the wave appears and I can dodge immediately after to avoid the hit

[civic ocean]

Is high surf considered a wave

[lunar lance]

not sure; I don't have any wave-related boons to test if they trigger

[bleak night]

I don't think so

[lunar lance]

the boon words it as "a powerful splash", if that helps

[bleak night]

if High Surf is a prereq on Slippery Slope then yeah it should. If not then unsure

[lunar lance]

It is not one

[bleak night]

probs not then, yeah

[sage flame]

damn

was hoping it would have worked with the ares duo

[lunar lance]

Bit of a shame, but it is a nice boon on its own, at least

[civic ocean]

Gonna bring back Pink Aura and Air Fryer back now I feel

[surreal hazel]

Not sure if surf is bad or insanely good

It's worded so weirdly I couldn't work out what it did at first

[civic ocean]

Its honestly probably saving you some pretty decent hp value against melee enemies tbh

But I haven’t used it much either. If it makes the Fields enemies miss you with their ridiculous charging speeds it could be quite good

[surreal hazel]

It's free untriggered damage and the splash is HUGE

[civic ocean]

They should make it work with heinous affront tbh

[surreal hazel]

But it's squirrelly and leads to some unwanted knockback, and doesn't do much for bosses

King tide makes the splashes basically limitless for most cases

[surreal hazel]

Isn't a take damage boon though

[spare kite]

https://youtu.be/H2teLhytDkQ @bleak night this thing is not fine lmfaoooo

[runic summit]

Does anyone know what Rallying Cry buffs?

[bleak night]

boons, not your base weapon so the damage numbers on your boons are 1.5x

[runic summit]

But does it buff, say, Apollo's Attack?

[spare kite]

no

[bleak night]

It should, yes.

[runic summit]

Or is it just the flat damage boons only

[bleak night]

Huh? Does it only buff Blitz and Wave on Attack?

[spare kite]

that yeah, only direct damaging effects

so blitz/waves/idk, aphro dash/etc

[runic summit]

Does Ares' boon which adds power if you inflict wounds count

[spare kite]

no, tested that

[bleak night]

that's kinda weird no

[runic summit]

....huh, so Ares' infusion doesn't work on his own mechanic

or at least not all of them. strange.

[spare kite]

yeah still works for his blades and the rift

[civic ocean]

Classic SGG tooltip strikes again

[civic ocean]

Well, two out of his three mechanics do work with it. The blades and also the damage increase can “Ares Crit” which is double damage instead of triple damage

But it doesn’t work on wounds yeah

[past salmon]

Didn't we talk about this yesterday

Extended family is the same, casts/dashes/waves/blitz etc all the "not Ur weapon damage" stuff

[civic ocean]

Not casts themselves right

Like the standard O cast

[bleak night]

why is it like that lmao

[civic ocean]

It also doesn’t work with Nyx Coat dash

[past salmon]

Yeh not standard O-Cast damage

[runic summit]

So many of the tooltips are incredibly ambiguous...

[civic ocean]

Which I guess fair Nyx isn’t an olympian

[past salmon]

Cuz straight up global damage would be OP 😭

Ahh yes this is my extended family giving me 40-50% global damage

[civic ocean]

Tbf it does cost 8 earth it should be insane

[past salmon]

Imo the cost should be reduced but I don't think any boon should just give insane global damage

Shameless was broken because of that

[runic summit]

Unlike other Ring boon, Ω Cast from Anvil Ring combines the damage of both Anvil Ring and Ω Cast, producing significantly greater overall damage.
...what does this mean?

[civic ocean]

Anvil Ring is basically coded to say “I MUST do only three pulses no matter how long that takes”

So if winner’s circle makes your cast last .5 seconds you get all 3 pulses still, while for example Zeus cast would only give you one bolt before expiring

[runic summit]

No, the Omega Cast part

[civic ocean]

What the passage means I think is that with that build you will normally miss out on the damage from your initial cast because the cast will expire too quickly. But with anvil ring you get the initial cast damage on top of your rapidly exploding omega cast

You’re reading about Clang Gang, yeah?

[runic summit]

No, this is on the wiki, not the Clang Gang

[civic ocean]

Oh, wild

Maybe it’s out of date idk

When has anvil ring ever interacted with O casts. Maybe in a previous update?

[left moat]

what's the consensus abt ares' cast?

it doesn't seem great to me but i rarely go for non-zeus cast builds

[spare kite]

neat if you have both duos and winner's circle

the fact you can't tag an enemy multiple times with one cast is bad

[civic ocean]

I am not a huge fan of Sword Ring mostly because some enemies outrun it

[spare kite]

oh yeah I don't like that the swords don't stick to them

[uneven palm]

Yeah it’s fun to duo max with it, but without the Heph/Apollo duos it’s just ok

IMO it’s best just to unlock Hostile Environment with Dem for big Omega cast builds

[civic ocean]

And it does work pretty well with hostile environment because it just needs to touch them once for full effect

[left moat]

hm okay

wasn't expecting it to be great with it being one time damage

[civic ocean]

It is a pretty good one off if your cast slot is empty and you don’t need it to be a status and you want ares in your god pool for blood drops or mutual destruction

[spring holly]

Does shocking loss (Zeus legendary) work on bosses

[formal pulsar]

“Olympian damage” has got to be one of the most confusing boon descriptions. They need to either change how these boons work or really clarify because it is worded terribly

[formal pulsar]

No

[civic ocean]

Just reading Grievous Blow does it sound like it works on Blitz

[last cape]

It should work on blitz yes

splash too

[left moat]

the new "olympian" and "number of boons" stuff is really getting on my nerves. the hermes one that isn't consistent with the number of boons in the menu, up until the new patch not including some olympians...

[civic ocean]

It does but the tooltip says “strikes” which normally only means weapon attacks

The same way that Artemis Blades only give critical chance to the weapon “strikes”

[tropic saffron]

Would a madea splash build be any good do you think?

like on the attack and special

[civic ocean]

I am not sure exactly how the wave mechanics work with medea. It wouldn’t be a meta build but you could try it and see

IIRC you can’t hit something with two waves at once?

[amber dagger]

It wouldn’t

[tropic saffron]

doesnt the special technically hit like a couple frames before the attack explodes?

[civic ocean]

I don’t know, I think it’s worth testing in ephyra or something

But like if I works with each knife on pan why wouldn’t it work with medea? Only one way to find out I guess

[silent crow]

is the skull op yet

[bleak night]

join the speedrunner vc and watch the runs. Mininet is doing a 50f boonless lmao

[silent crow]

LMAO

what the hell is happening to this game 💔💔💔

[sonic idol]

Are certain gods locked until you defeat bosses? or just really rare?

[lyric summit]

Omg those skulls are insane now

[craggy hull]

I don’t understand racing thoughts boon from hermes

Like what does omega move speed mean

[wide flicker]

am I the only one who is sad they removed the block from the Axe? It kind of made up for the slowness, and made it have a uniquee place. Now, the special is....meh

[spare kite]

one shows up once you remove the curse and can actually play through the surface, the other after you reach the surface's final boss

[sonic idol]

thanks

[civic ocean]

Charge speed IIRC

[gusty tinsel]

im pretty new to hades II, what are some decent synergies?

like basic ones

[uneven palm]

Like real basic? Pan blades with Poseidon on special. Or Mel axe with Aphrodite attack.

[gusty tinsel]

well not that basic 😭

maybe a little better than that

[steel sequoia]

posessed array is broken? i made an unbeliavable run here and im not even a skull player lmao

[spare kite]

It has always been strong, but the faster drop time is ridiculous

[uneven palm]

Okey dokey. Pan blades you start with Poseidon's keepsake and take the special. You'll need a gain and a cast with a status to get Origination online. Good hammers are Hidden Knives, Sudden Flurry, and Reaper Knives.

Mel Axe start Aphro and take attack. Throw Zeus or Poseidon on special and weave those in. Basic combo is dash-strike attack attack special. When the second special is done, you're clear of the doing the big third strike which is dangerous. Dashing Heave is the A++++ hammer if you get it just do dash-strikes

[steel sequoia]

i mean i basically just made mana pool and smashed button

[uneven palm]

Yeah, the extra speed and 5 of them goes hard

Fetching makes it brain-dead

[bleak night]

you can spam the attack in the corner lmao

[spare kite]

https://youtu.be/H2teLhytDkQ?t=1m29s look at my tail and typhon fights

[steel sequoia]

this is more garbo then first time momus

[west thunder]

So is Medea still the best skull aspect or is it Mel now?

[bleak night]

Mel by a wide margin, even better than Pan imo because it needs one boon

[steel sequoia]

well i had a big easy run with mel and im not even fan, but possessed array made it weirdly broken

[west thunder]

Which boon? Like a generic attack boon?

[bleak night]

Hera or Apollo ye

[uneven palm]

Aphro or Apollo, unless you've got Wards then Hera

[steel sequoia]

you need mana regen and possessed array hammer right?

[spare kite]

Can also just do bolstered array

It won't be insane for times but if you wanna clear

[uneven palm]

Yeah Possessed just makes it absolutely insane, but you don't need it

[west thunder]

Not saying you’re wrong but is there a reason Aphrodite isn’t considered up there? This goes for most weapons, where everyone seems to say either Ares or Hera or something

[uneven palm]

Aphro's good but you've gotta think about it and the range is very short

Apollo's easier

[bleak night]

Can go Aphro but Apollo is nice because it's already part of the pool so Extra Dose is nice + the gameplay loop rn is to just sit there and left click

[uneven palm]

Hera is unbeatable against crowds because Hitch good

[bleak night]

If you're comfy, go aphro and facetank. I'm watching someone do a 50F boonless Mel Skull rn and it's looking really good, reaches fields consistently

[west thunder]

A bit unrelated but I’ve never been sure. Does choosing an Olympian keepsake add them to the god pool, or is it just the 1 boon and that’s it? For starting a run and switching keepsakes mid run

[uneven palm]

Once you take a boon from a god, they're in the "god pool"

Keepsake nearly guarantees they show up. When a god is offered, it'll be the keepsake god

[bleak night]

forcibly adds them to the pool. If first area, that becomes guaranteed if no story events are there. If you have the 4 god softcap and run a 5th god's keepsake in a new area, they still get forcibly added.

I have runs with 6 gods in it since I force god keepsakes

[west thunder]

Okay thanks. Sometimes I take a new god’s keepsake mid run and I never see them again after the 1. Must just be luck

[uneven palm]

I think they're not just added by the keepsake alone; you need to take a boon. Like if you get a jank Oceanus or Rift and don't get a boon they're not just in the pool now.

[uneven palm]

Yeah that's just luck

[west thunder]

Yeah that makes sense. It’s rare but I’ve had runs where I pick a god’s keepsake and I still never get offered a boon from them. Again must just be getting unlucky those runs

[uneven palm]

Like normally that shouldn't happen too often, but it does happen

Especially Rift of Thessaly where a midboss isn't a sure thing

[stable lichen]

how's ares on mel skulls? grievous blow could maybe put in some work?

[west thunder]

I tried Athena’s keepsake once and she never showed up lol. They really should make that likelier

[bleak night]

Anything works ngl, someone is being weird rn and spamming Heaven Strike on it

[uneven palm]

If I had to theorycraft just ok without Grievous, pretty good with

[bleak night]

Vicious will work for sure

[uneven palm]

lol I already did Heaven Strike skulls previous patches

gonna do poseidon skulls brb

[stable lichen]

somehow cannot believe that one of the worst aspects in the game became one of the best in 2 patches

[uneven palm]

Oh Athena has conditions and bugs. You need to have zero defiances, and her keepsake doesn't work on Mt Olympus right now

[steel sequoia]

i believe skull needs to be fixed

[uneven palm]

She's not like the other gods that you get from room rewards

[bleak night]

it's top 3 at lowest for sure

[steel sequoia]

not even first momus was stupid like this

[stable lichen]

i think before today was a good spot with 3 skulls

[bleak night]

because Pan and Medea still have better speedrun times

[junior trail]

I think it’s about the damage. Specifically how the third hit of Anvil Ring gets combined with Omega Cast’s detonation.

Omega Cast: 150
Anvil Ring : 50 + 50 + 50
Omega Cast Anvil Ring : 50 + 50 + 200

And that 200 damage synergizes with Momus + Winner's Circle + Premium Service, and all Omega Cast boons (Meat Grinder, Local Climate, Hostile Environment, etc.), and it’s just insane.

and yeah the wording in wiki is weird

[stable lichen]

on the bright side at least its a really fun weapon now

feels like a rocket launcher machine gun

[west thunder]

Oh that explains it cause I chose it for Olympus lol. Def had no DDs tho

[analog quail]

how on earth do you do that

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218621088049659930/1344445123089530880/20250226200445_1.jpg?ex=67c0ef97&is=67bf9e17&hm=ee69db44970aff07aafa2809f0f80e9bc3d47090eda70b427b9469c8aca09db6&

[analog quail]

remind me what those hammers do?

[spare kite]

collecting a skull triggers the O.atk for 25 mana, fetching makes the skulls come back automatically and faster

so every 4 skulls I also triggered athena's spears boon

[analog quail]

oh god

[spare kite]

most of this is also bc of today's patch

you shoot faster and they drop faster, along the +2 skulls

[civic ocean]

Does this work like I think it does and every other skull just applies and breaks blitz for effectively like 80 flat damage per hit

[spare kite]

Lmfao?

[bleak night]

idk

@narrow raptor answer for your crimes pls ?

[civic ocean]

Or you just get arc flash and every bomb auto triggers blitz

[steel sequoia]

ive tried with apollo and felt good, prolly hera and zeus are the mvps

[civic ocean]

Im gonna do Demeter I think

[narrow raptor]

its hera for if you run the vow that adds wards to enemies and its apollo for any fear

[stable lichen]

but you'd need to be using your omegas or getting possessed array for that

[stable lichen]

i did a run with ares and grievous which also felt really good

[bleak night]

LMAO MINI DID MEL SKULL 50F BOONLESS

[uneven palm]

lol omg

[ruby karma]

Anyone know if Moros torch attack explosions are affected by things like the huntress (attack does more damage when you're less than 100% magick), and if so, does it then change once the explosions are from omega attacks?

[uneven palm]

The non omega ones do get Huntress, but the bigguns don’t

[bleak night]

it used two around 4 patches ago, they specifically made sure it doesn't work with Huntress anymore

the first 3-4 small explosions do tho because they're not from omegas

[ruby karma]

Ok cool. And so I'd assume if I got an attack up boon from chaos it would affect the explosions? I just don't know how to works at all. Like is the damage affected by boons? Like would a higher percentage Apollo do more explosion damage than a lower percentage?

[bleak night]

Ah, the explosions count as either Attack or Omega Attack depending on if the channel wheel is full as you're tossing them out. Chaos boons for attack boosts say Attacks (plural), and those mean both normal and Omega attack. They need to make it more clear ngl

Attack boons with % do work that way though, on the Apollo one. Try out Hera on Attack

[ruby karma]

Cool thanks! I was also hoping Night would work an all omega attacks after an omega special, because it shows the skull, but limited testing on Skelly, I couldn't get a single crit so it might only be the first omega attack (tried on Mel torches)

[bleak night]

which one is Night arcana again ?

[ruby karma]

Omega combos can crit

[uneven palm]

It’s not great on Moros only the first omega attack can crit. The subsequent ones while channeling won’t.

[ruby karma]

Yeah lame lol but would probably be OP

[obsidian remnant]

i still suck at skulls weeeeee

so i'm confused, when people say the skulls come back on mel, like... how close do you have to be?

bc i have to be close enough that i wouldn't call it returning on their own. i just dont have to collide with them directly. so i feel like i'm missing something

[spare kite]

As long as they are on screen you can special to recall them in my experience

[runic summit]

Was mel skull that bad? I'd had some pretty good runs with it via aphrodite attack + run up and close-combat spam like a maniac + that hammer that gives two extra skulls

[steel sequoia]

i totally glued on typhon and it worked perfectly

[obsidian remnant]

yeah if i'm right up on something they do, but they've always done that

[bleak night]

not that it was bad, it was mid to fine. Right now it's just overtuned

[stable lichen]

eh, it was definitely a below average aspect for me at least

not the worst aspect i exaggerated but definitely not a great one

post warsong skulls made me like playing mel skulls a lot more, and today's buff just made them hilariously broken

[fallow ginkgo]

lol Hecate's sheep curse hit one of the witches raised from the Night boom hex.

[fluid onyx]

Man, Mel skull is the first time I've seen in a roguelike where players were actually asking for nerfs

[south copper]

That's good, did she react in any way?

[fallow ginkgo]

I wish she did, but sadly, she was busy hitting me with total eclipse

[vast timber]

Sorry to ask , but is there a build for the mel skull? Want to try out this busted build

[fluid onyx]

The build is "mel skull". That's all you need.

[spare kite]

Click your attack of choice and gg

[gritty solstice]

BRO

The skull really got more skulls?

[willow phoenix]

Try Apollo/Hera attack, then get some good hammers like possessed, bolstered, wide grin, or other attack related hammers

[steel sequoia]

i dont think 3 to 5 really matters the way its busted rn

[uneven palm]

3 with this attack speed would be fine

[crimson raven]

Does anyone have a list of what exactly Hera's Extended Family boon works on?

[obsidian remnant]

can we split the diff and do half the attack speed and 4 skulls

[willow phoenix]

The attack speed and how fast you can recover it is pretty insane on its own

[junior trail]

every olympian boons work, they recently fixed the bug that npc boons not applying to extended family

[spare kite]

Not every, only direct effects like blit/waves/dashes

[crimson raven]

No it doesn't. I am playing with it right now and it has zero effect on poseidon's splash or Heph's slams. It's supposed to be at +30%. Does it only work on % damage boons?

[spare kite]

Are you sure is not working? If yeah then f10 ig

[crimson raven]

Yeah it's not having any effect on thelm

splash was doing 175 before I even got extended family. Still doing 175

[junior trail]

wait i thought its global damage? maybe im wrong then

[crimson raven]

Heph slams still doing 200

[spare kite]

@junior trail is not global as in "it doesn't work on your weapon's dmg"

[crimson raven]

The wording makes me think it's supposed to work on flat damage moves, like blitz.

[spare kite]

Yeah it works on that

[crimson raven]

does it only work on curses?

[spare kite]

Should work on blasts/dash moves/waves

[crimson raven]

again I'm using it right now and it is having zero effect as far as i can tell.

[junior trail]

this boon is surely weird

[willow phoenix]

Technically it should be working for every olympian damage effects that aren't just boosting the weapon's damage. If not then F10 it I suppose

[ruby karma]

Hey guys, for Origination, does the hit that applies the second curse also benefit? or just everything after that? Like, if I drop Apollo cast on an enemy, then hit it with Demeter attack, does that first Demeter attack to 50% more damage, or only subsequent attacks?