#h2-builds-and-combat

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half sigil
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Idk about that lol

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He’s for sure S tier

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Wdym crit boon

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They aren’t crit

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I mean the difference with it not being a crit is it stacks with crit lol

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Well regardless, yes I would also not want them to nerf that aspect

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I think it’s a fantastic support god

lone depot
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How do you guys feel about Ares's Boons? I find them quite good but some a bit underwhelming like the cast or run one

timid temple
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love them

half sigil
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Ares is s tier

timid temple
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his dash boon is actually good damage if you're dashing in their face

half sigil
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Cast and sprint are mid but you can enhance them

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I would personally not take cast over other stuff generally

junior trail
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obsessed with cut above and his duo with apol/heph

half sigil
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Cut above is really decent on its own already for sure

timid temple
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meat grinder builds are fun, cut above runs are crazy, arterial spray is good, aphro/ares duo is hilarious

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success rate ares 200% boons

lone depot
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Interesting. I often just take dash boons with debuff to pair with the arcana that increase damage against enemy with 2 debuffs

half sigil
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They’re generally better yea imo

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Ares just pair well with some duo but it’s mostly for fun

surreal hazel
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Most of ares duos support what he does, not many support others it sems

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I did get a winning circle, glowing coal and fourth degree build going once and that was kinda silly

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Aphro's adds a bonus to the more bloodrops you get

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so I call that benefits for doing what Ares wants you to do

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the only true pre-req is Ares's bloodspilling boons

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well, one, and fair point,

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but hearthrobs being "her thing" is kinda moot here. You could purge every aphrodite boon and her duo would still work

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Zeus/Ares is kinda shared, they both have a revenge bon, but also apollo's counts, but not heph's

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(Light smite is actually the best one to have with Heinous affront I'd say)

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it's in the prereqs

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that one, yeah, you get way more blood spilling

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way more

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12 seconds per enemy you wound

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the cooldown is stored on the enemy, not the boon

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so you swipe your axe across a load of enemies and now I think you see why light smite is so silly

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yeah, it's probably fair to say that Divine Vengeance is better than Visceral impact

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Nasty Comeback?

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hrm, yeah, would just do hitch I guess

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doesn't proc off of tough gain either, but unseen ire works, oddly

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which is also now actually pretty good too

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5 seconds of bonus damage and invuln for free every 40 seconds is,.... yeh it nice

bleak night
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EWWWW MY VOICE

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?

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I think it's normal for most people to hate their voices no ?

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yeah he just posted it somewhere else

tame spindle
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idk how to mute the clip after its alrdy posted 😭

bleak night
hoary cypress
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just wondering can you change which bonds you give your pet or is it final?

bleak night
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All the bonds are active at the same time, you just level them up

hoary cypress
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i thought you could only upgrade it 3 times and you can pick 1 of 3 bonds

bleak night
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they cap at +3, so you feed each pet 9x to maximize it

hoary cypress
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ohh

bleak night
hoary cypress
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thx!

lapis star
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can i get a momus build pls

bleak night
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you prioritize the hammer upgrades for attack that have Thrasher on them because they also work on your Omegas.

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also remember to turn on that Arcana for the 15% crit rate on Omega combos, because Momus uses all of them.

lapis star
bleak night
# lapis star thrasher?

there are hammer upgrades for it with Thrasher: Rapid Thrasher, Wicked Thrasher, Mirrored Thrasher

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Mirrored is the best one, with Wicked being only slightly less good

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if you have Mirrored, just run a Hestia keepsake unless she's already in your pool

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Her regen, Cardio Gain, with Mirrored is the best synergy

lapis star
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weird question but how do i reset a run, like i was trying to get hera attack as my first boon but couldnt, after i press give up and start a new run all the options are exactly the same

past salmon
lapis star
past salmon
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Yeh

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Is void lense even used in anything else yet

bleak night
surreal hazel
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the new seed re-roll incantation

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and a music track

vast timber
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Did explosive ambush get cut?

surreal hazel
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no

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· Spiral Knives (Blades): cut from game; replaced with...
· Hidden Knives (Blades): new! Specials are stronger and Omega Special fires more shots than usual```
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Escalating ambush did though

cursive oyster
surreal hazel
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Did they? Huh

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that was missed on the notes, but not the only example

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Need to see if hidden and reaper knives are a good combo

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or if dancing is just a better choice for one

pulsar sapphire
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Can anyone recommend Xinith/Black Coat builds? I’ve been having a great time bullying ||Typhon|| and have gotten my time down to like 16-ish mins but this is the only weapon I haven’t really felt like I can make a super strong build with so I’m looking for suggestions

bleak night
pulsar sapphire
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Thank you! I love Ares’ boons I didn’t think they could get better from Hades 1

bleak night
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hope the builds work out though

pulsar sapphire
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OH forgot to ask I’m assuming Mel aspect?

bleak night
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Yeah, you can go Nyx as well but Mel Aspect is preferable because the movespeed and attackspeed feel better and you go fully manaless

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also, even if you go for Ares instead of Zeus, find Hephaestus as well for the defensive boons

pulsar sapphire
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I’ll get by fine I’ve all the weapon aspects maxed out

bleak night
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Poseidon-Zeus-Heph-4th god (Aphro/Dem)
Poseidon-Ares-Heph-4th god (Aphro/Dem)

It's not much variety for Wave Strike specifically but it's a really strong build

pulsar sapphire
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Aphrodite has been the backbone of my surface builds she’s so good

bleak night
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you get her for Secret Crush and Shameless + Weak

pulsar sapphire
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The defensive gods rejoicing with this new update because of the absurd damage enemies do

bleak night
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I've always just ran Heph on every build for the most part ngl, 3 gods is enough for every aspect so having the 4th be fully support/def is really nice

pulsar sapphire
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Oh makes sense

half sigil
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Nyx my goat

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Wait didn’t they fix the ephyra reset @bleak night

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I thought that was the whole point of removing entrance cage

bleak night
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Ephyra is still room 3

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seeds only copy the first 2 rooms

half sigil
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Ah you mean resetting completely

bleak night
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ye, just hit the give up button usually

half sigil
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Im assuming you did a lot of resets for your 55, did you notice any patterns in ephyra when you kept the seed

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I was seeing patterns coming back in a loop

bleak night
half sigil
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Ok

bleak night
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I maybe did about 15ish attempts and 3 of those were me actually dying and getting a full new seed

half sigil
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Interesting. 15 isn’t a lot

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Goat status

bleak night
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Oh, the attempts were just me actually trying to play it out. If I got the hammer in Ephyra and it wasn't Dashing Heave I just reset lol

half sigil
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I was often starting hammer for my 50s, so when I had my hammer I was keeping the seed often

bleak night
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took only 2 days tho considering day 1 was me grinding the testaments and the new keepsake

half sigil
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There were clear patterns

bleak night
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yeah, but now you can just hit give up and reroll the seed if the Ephyra hammer is cheeks

half sigil
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You could refresh ephyra only, once by quitting rejoining before passing entrance gate

half sigil
bleak night
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honestly, no real point going through there at 50 without a hammer that's actually useful

half sigil
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Absolutely

bleak night
half sigil
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That’s still very impressive

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I think maybe I’ll do a 50 before wilds comes out, but I’ve just been playing casually since I took a long break

bleak night
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yeah, I won't do it again until next patch lol

half sigil
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New update is really fun

bleak night
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Surface 55 is cancer, way worse than UW 55

half sigil
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I believe you lol

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I think 50’is really fun but void 5 is cancerous and I hate it

bleak night
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can probs do a judgment run and cut timer or hordes down

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it should be a bit more bearable

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you were the only one to do 50f on every aspect upstairs last time tho no ? Is it still hard for you rn ?

half sigil
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Im guessing if I was to try on a weapon i like it would maybe be first or second try

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I hope at least lol

bleak night
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do you just run divine dash now then ?

half sigil
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Yea tbh or no deflect till Olympus

bleak night
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yeah sounds doable for sure

half sigil
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MB really died lol

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It’s not even the duration it’s the cooldown. The fact you get a deflect every other cast is insane

bleak night
slate trench
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lol yea as soon as i noticed that I never ever took athena cast again

half sigil
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Well I think it’s longer. Before you had it very cast

bleak night
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I did a Winner's Circle Clang Gang build earlier and I do wish Mental Block applied each time I set it down

slate trench
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cast cooldown is like 3-4 seconds, athena deflect cooldown on cast is 5 seconds i think

bleak night
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wat, they just nerfed that then ?

half sigil
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Even without winner mynt

bleak night
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it used to be every cast before no ?

slate trench
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so if you wait a second or two to cast again you'll get it but if you cast as much as you can you won't get it everytime

half sigil
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Yes

bleak night
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they nerfed the icd, deflect duration and damage ?

half sigil
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Yes

bleak night
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I think yall abused it too much LMAO

half sigil
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They really ultra bonked it

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I mean yea clearly lmao. I had it every single run

slate trench
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and they even added arcana that basically does the same thing when u cast

bleak night
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does that Arcana work with Winner's Circle actually ?

half sigil
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I completely understand the nerf but it was too much imo. I think dmg and duration was ok but icd killed it

bleak night
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Time to test that out real quick

half sigil
bleak night
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that's kinda broken no ?

half sigil
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Not really, the timing is very very short

bleak night
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for the movement speed

half sigil
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Movement speed is only during cast

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Like as you cast your cast (lol)

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I ended up non taking messenger almost ever after day 1

slate trench
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its basically dash length

bleak night
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girl_Wtf_what_confused_huh_anime I can barely feel the 70% movespeed tf ?

willow phoenix
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Anyone know if geyser spout work with momus? The water effect still shows on the momus repeat cast

slate trench
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but i feel like im always dashing when i drop a cast anyway

bleak night
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I'm testing on PonyMenu training rn lemme give it a go

willow phoenix
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Looking at the damage number it should be working? But the damage seems lower on the echo

bleak night
slate trench
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because no longer "inside" cast

willow phoenix
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o yeah fury

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I forgot about furies

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good to know

bleak night
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yeah, either way it does work still

willow phoenix
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It also does the hammer effect on heph cast on the repeat, but I don't think that one does the anvil damage again right

bleak night
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Not too sure about that, I should test

willow phoenix
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that's weird

slate trench
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why does everyone seem to prefer seething marauder over psychic whirlwind on than axe? psychic ww is beyond op with than

bleak night
bleak night
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most of the Than wins are just people going manaless unless it's Exe Chop, then they get the Hestia gain

willow phoenix
bleak night
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Might be, best ask Mininet about it

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Momus echo has different properties

slate trench
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I feel like on high fear im getting clobbered if im standing still and swinging a lot, I would like it a lot better if it worked on dash strike

bleak night
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I personally abuse Dashing Heave way too much on Mel Axe

slate trench
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yea dashing heave is def best for mel axe

bleak night
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I also theorycrafted a nice new build using it, so I'll be doing that again in the future

slate trench
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all the other attacks are way too slow

bleak night
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the damage is cheeky and works with the playstyle

slate trench
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huge damage espcially with antler

bleak night
magic moss
bleak night
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you doing some 50f surface attempts btw Urk ?

magic moss
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like omega cast echo damage procs lucid gain

bleak night
magic moss
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the best way to think about it is if the boon/hammer modifies the thing itself instead of an external effect

bleak night
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so Lucid Gain is just good on that then ?

magic moss
bleak night
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ah alr

magic moss
bleak night
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your weapon is broken

slate trench
magic moss
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anvil ring, for what I know, modifies the normal cast itself and not omega cast, so any cast boon like storm or arctic do not apply to omega cast echoes, but things like geyser spout and splash fount (or whatever its called now) do

surreal hazel
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all core cast boons modify the base cast

surreal hazel
bleak night
surreal hazel
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the pulses of momus will actually do a tick of anvil, smolder, rapture and storm ring

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not seen post patch, but beforehand it basically made a cast ring of a very short duration and detonated it

willow phoenix
magic moss
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interesting, then the echo is counted as a single instance of the cast right before it explodes

surreal hazel
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with all the trimmings

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anvil ring is honestly one of the better choices for that reason

magic moss
bleak night
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someone told me to talk to the red shade after Cerb 5x so I can take it back with me to the training grounds

surreal hazel
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Gyser Spout was basically re-written so I can't comment yet on that

bleak night
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is that real or nah

surreal hazel
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since old gyser spout was a bit of a wonky implementation

willow phoenix
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yes, dunno the eaxct numbers though

surreal hazel
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basically it looked like the gyser spout detonation was its own thing (not an omega cast) and various cast modifiers had to be told to modify it as well

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and gyser spout just deleted your cast ring and made the blast

slate trench
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yea idk the math doesnt really add up lol furies is 30% right? 375+(375*.30) = 487.5 but we would expect it to be 465 based on that test

surreal hazel
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now it seems to add omega cast damage to the actual omega cast, and add knockback to it

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as well as some visual flourishes

willow phoenix
half sigil
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What is spout now? +100 raw or something

surreal hazel
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+100, 150, 200, 250 iirc

half sigil
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Ok yea

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I wonder how it affect pers

surreal hazel
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pers?

half sigil
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Persephone

surreal hazel
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should just be omega cast damage and count as any would

half sigil
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Yea I mean I wonder how much it helps with gauge regen

surreal hazel
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probably loads

half sigil
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I’m curious to try

surreal hazel
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since there's bonus omega damage and that should multiply

half sigil
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Well yea but considering we lost the arcana for cast

surreal hazel
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yes, Omega spout basically is that arcana now

half sigil
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Yea. I’ll do a pers run to try I’m curious. With maybe dem for local climate

surreal hazel
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Winning Circle

half sigil
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Of course

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Grevious works on cast right?

surreal hazel
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it says any damage against a wounded enemy, but I'm just taking its word for it

half sigil
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I think I tried a bunch of stuff for pers and iirc it did work but I can’t recall for sure

surreal hazel
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Probably fun if you can get Glowing Coal and Fourth Degree

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iirc Glowing Coal is cast damage (as far as Chasm cares, not sure about persephone)

half sigil
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Could be but that’s a lot of gods lol

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Glowing coal is what again

surreal hazel
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Hestia fireball cast

half sigil
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Oh. Hmm pretty sure it doesn’t work for pers but I’ll try

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I haven’t tried ares duo with hestia, that’ll be a good excuse

bleak night
surreal hazel
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it's the best way to do it

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the other fireball boon from hestia has an antisynergy with that duo if you're using vicious flourish

half sigil
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Probably wouldn’t use flourish on pers

surreal hazel
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adds a fireball to your omega special that can cause wound, but it's so slow that your omega special will probably do a wound first

half sigil
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Rather the attack

surreal hazel
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and stop that delicious 250 damage

bleak night
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I hate that duo so much

half sigil
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I don’t have high hope lol

bleak night
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Like

surreal hazel
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I like that her fireballs are getting some actual Duo-love

bleak night
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I think it would've been better if it was a Wound-Scorch duo

surreal hazel
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but this implementation is a bit... odd

bleak night
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wherein applying Scorch to a Wounded target and vice versa will make the Wound timer go by quicker, so you can reapply. Cauterizing effect

surreal hazel
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should benefit from rallying cry to make a hilarious fireball attack, but still

half sigil
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Would it? It would just effect scorch no?

surreal hazel
half sigil
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Oh you’re saying it should

surreal hazel
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thematically that sounds like a good idea

bleak night
half sigil
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Im generally a hestia hater

surreal hazel
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because nothing can shorten wounding, so there's design space there

magic moss
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MOMUS TOP 5

surreal hazel
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but fireballs need a little love

bleak night
surreal hazel
magic moss
bleak night
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top 5 in what? Aspects in general?

magic moss
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si senor

half sigil
surreal hazel
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Hestia has some of the most delicous duos

willow phoenix
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The fireballs can feel great imo if you're not using the wounds for any main source of damage. It can reach like 1k damage easily and with it's huge aoe it clears mobs very easily

surreal hazel
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and blue shields are nothing to her

bleak night
half sigil
surreal hazel
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Heat Rush might even make Typhon way more tolerable, no idea

bleak night
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How far down would the first coat aspect be in the tier list btw ? I think people just agree that the top 2 are Pan and Medea, then the next 2 are Than and Moros, then Momus

slate trench
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yea momus feels amazing this patch

bleak night
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Like, I'd put Mel Coat at maybe 8th or 9th or something

half sigil
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At least last patch I’d say coat was probably middle of the pack no?

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I remember all my UW coat being around 12 min

bleak night
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I'd put Charon on 6th and Mel Axe on 7th I think

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that or Artemis on 7th, Mel Axe on 8th

half sigil
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Hmm

surreal hazel
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Coat, for being the most bizzaro weapon visually, it's very... normal in what it does

half sigil
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That’s probably fair

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I really like coat. I like that all 3 aspects are different enough. I think Nyx could do with some tweaks but it still my favorite aspect

surreal hazel
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pretty idiot-proof melee attack, very safe and easy special that gives you range

bleak night
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@magic moss you have the image pack for the h2 aspect tier list

surreal hazel
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the omega attack might be really good against the tyhpon eye-artillery shot

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Eyetillery? Yeah, that.

bleak night
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I feel like making one now

magic moss
half sigil
bleak night
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I wouldn't put Mel Coat at 7th

surreal hazel
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awesome

bleak night
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since Charon and Artemis are better

half sigil
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You know

magic moss
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half sigil
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Now that I think of it yea probably 8 or 9

surreal hazel
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in the hands of most players playing on low fear just to win, Mel Coat is probably one of the best

bleak night
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Mel Axe is good but like, it's only with that one hammer specifically and it's meh without it unless you go Rapid Slash and play it like Than, but that's 2/12

pseudo dust
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What changed with the argent skull this patch? haven't played in a while and i don't get the patch notes

surreal hazel
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attack is a straight line shot rather than a bouncy bomb

half sigil
surreal hazel
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omega attack is even more damage

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desperately trying to be used by anyone

half sigil
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They feel pretty good now imo

surreal hazel
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I mean, man, Wide grin Omega Attack looks so cool, but it's just... ugh

pseudo dust
surreal hazel
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skull attack always had AoE

magic moss
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im so happy with the patch

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staff my beloved finally gets to shine

surreal hazel
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one of the cases where Nova Strike is quite noticable

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I'm concerned that the staff special is fighting for design space with extending whallop

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since they cover the same AoE, I think Extending Whallop needs a rethink

half sigil
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Patch is really good yea

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Im really happy about Selene

magic moss
surreal hazel
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medium range AoE on both buttons?

slate trench
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staff regular special got nerfed imo the quicker one to tag monsters with status or remove wards was better

surreal hazel
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(I call Piercing effects an AoE because it basically is)

surreal hazel
magic moss
surreal hazel
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new blitz with old staff special would be oooooooooo

magic moss
slate trench
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yea it can do it but i feel like it was more effective with the old one

bleak night
surreal hazel
# magic moss yes

I guess that'd be nice for origination setups if you can curse on each button

bleak night
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or do I like put Nyx and Mel Torches a tier under 8-14

magic moss
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i think mel torches should be like 10-12 because of arc flash synergy if you have blitz attack

bleak night
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Ah, is that a new thing

surreal hazel
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Arcflash replaced toasting fork

bleak night
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I mean the build on mel torch

magic moss
bleak night
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top 7 are clear for me, it just gets muddy after that

surreal hazel
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I guess mel torch keeps the omega up longer?

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slightly nicer than momus

bleak night
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I still really hope they rework Circe

slate trench
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Circe at 18 RIP lol I feel like circe is absolutely insane if you run Mirrored Thasher

bleak night
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it's kinda just Momus but with regen built in

willow phoenix
slate trench
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ya momus is better overall for sure

surreal hazel
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mirrored thrasher is just good

bleak night
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they made Staff omegas just equal to anything the Staff could offer else as a build save for the funny fisherman build, but even then you'd want to Omega

slate trench
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i feel like with momus u can run any hammers and any boons combos and still destroy

surreal hazel
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so many ways to combo with it from a variety of gods

bleak night
surreal hazel
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Incandescent aura with cardio gain is just generally amusing with it

loud moat
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I wish that Circe Staff had a bit more of a unique property to it. Momus I just keep coming back to cause turrets are amazing

surreal hazel
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triple omegas is kinda bonkers, yeah

loud moat
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Bonus omega damage is nice i guess, but only for about 4 seconds?

surreal hazel
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Mel staff is just "We have momus at home"

slate trench
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personally I like circe better than mel staff by a long shot

surreal hazel
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Circe is nicer because you get free mana gain with it

loud moat
surreal hazel
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freeing up the slot to do what you want with for other reasons

slate trench
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so many ways to buff omega speed and its even less relevant with omega slow down in arcana now

surreal hazel
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so you can take Tough or Glamour gain for their other properties without killing your gains

slate trench
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you can easily omega attack (non crit) for 1500+ with circe per shot

loud moat
surreal hazel
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yeah, that's always an oopsie if you do that

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Level 6 momus is a comedy tour of damage

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easily one of the best weapons for that legendary

keen moon
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Question, with the new content unlocked, how well does the Black Coat really do with the new bosses? I played a run with it and found it to be effective up till the new boss but I think that’s mostly cause of the boons I had

surreal hazel
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s'alright

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being able to do damage at range with the special helps do things safely, the shield can block some surprsing things

keen moon
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I’m curious about how the out put of the special compares to say just the staff or twins. Because I felt the special wasn’t useful unless I got a full charge of the missles

surreal hazel
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you can mash special during punches without really slowing down your punches

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launching missiles is very quick, it just has a cooldown before you can fire again. But you can be punching in the meantime

keen moon
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The shield is nice but the required build up and range is frustrating. Does the shield still block everything even if you only charge it for the attack duration of the enemy?

surreal hazel
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it blocks once you see it until the end of the punch, no matter when you release it

bleak night
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I haven't tried blocking with it in all my Coat runs lol

surreal hazel
#

they also buffed counter barrage, but ehhh

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Shimmering rockets is still 2gud4everything

sage flame
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also I swear im crazy, but I feel like the oattack range is smaller unless you dash before releasing it

surreal hazel
#

yeah, it feels shorter currently

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I also wonder if they adjusted the effect of nova strike on it

sage flame
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swear it was longer last patch but dashing seems to fix it

surreal hazel
#

Most weapons are 20-40% bigger with nova strike, (smaller ones get more of a bonus)

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not checked post patch, but before it the omega attack on coat had a +75% size increase

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and there's reaper and siege frame to make it bigger still

keen moon
#

Yeah I found the Oattack with the shield always fell short of the enemy which was really frustrating when I wasted magic charging it

surreal hazel
#

yeah it feels like it's shorter ranged now, might be a bug

keen moon
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Where as with the missiles I wanted to be far range, this I had to be close

surreal hazel
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like it's not getting it's launch velocity applied

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(the attack is actually a projectile)

half sigil
sage flame
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again, if you dash while holding it it seems to work fully

surreal hazel
#

dash bash is definitely nice

half sigil
#

It helps a lot

keen moon
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When fighting the bosses I found I had to be about one character space away. If the gap was bigger it wouldn’t connected

surreal hazel
keen moon
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Oh you can dash while you hold the Oattack? Did not know that

surreal hazel
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you can now

half sigil
#

Yes, it’s useful to target far away targets

sage flame
#

the charge doesn't seem to matter if you don't dash

surreal hazel
#

it forces it to fire, but it actually fires instead of cancelling

sage flame
half sigil
#

It’s very useful to dodge stuff as you charge

surreal hazel
#

kinda like axe dash on the final chop

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only kinda not

sage flame
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like axe ospecial

keen moon
#

Oh sweet. I’ll be dashing more even more now lol. sigh how I miss my triple dash from the first game

bleak night
#

I should try something about that

surreal hazel
#

triple?

bleak night
#

I have an idea all of a sudden

surreal hazel
#

Only with the claws/greatest reflex boon did you get more than two

willow phoenix
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Sometimes the coat o attack with dash bugs out and you consume magick without actually attacking though

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makes it annoying to use

keen moon
# surreal hazel triple?

Yeah in Hades 1 you could unlock a multi dash instead of a run. So you had short dashes but no “runnning” like Mel has

surreal hazel
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Greater Reflex gave you one more

keen moon
#

I’m thinking the Hermes boom aren’t I

surreal hazel
#

you are

bleak night
#

wtf they removed the shield-reset mechanic on Coat ?

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YUCK WTF

keen moon
#

I abused that boon and the dashes 😂. Guess I dashed so much I forget you usually only had 2

sage flame
#

shield reset?

keen moon
#

I just locked Selene’s Aspect for the cost. How is Starfall? Compared to say the aspect of Nyx

surreal hazel
keen moon
#

Sky fall*

surreal hazel
#

Take the moonbeam as your opening keepsake

bleak night
# sage flame shield reset?

You used to be able to press the cast before the shield reached max to reset the shield back to 0 and hold it longer

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that's saaaaaadddd why'd they take it out

keen moon
bleak night
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Probably the only aspect I'd ever do that on, yeah.

surreal hazel
#

Prisim and scorn are your friends

half sigil
sage flame
surreal hazel
#

Nyx coat is focused on regular attacks, Selene is Omega focused

bleak night
#

I think Mel Coat is better than the other 2 by a good amount ngl

surreal hazel
#

mel coat's base speed increases are just good

half sigil
#

Nyx coat use attack and special like any coat

sage flame
#

I still don't get nyx coat, like what's the strength over mel coat? just like aoe?

bleak night
#

I feel so slow when I play Selene and Nyx

surreal hazel
half sigil
bleak night
#

Would it be like a fun idea if Nyx's Omega Boost got bonuses from your Sprint or nah ?

half sigil
#

It’s amazing as clear especially early game

surreal hazel
#

the nightspawn duration is so short and it benefits basic special the most, which isn't much

bleak night
#

Like, not just the usual stuff rn, it also gave it extra properties

surreal hazel
#

Nightspawn punches and rockets can't hit the same target as the main hit

half sigil
#

Yes it’s range extension

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And more targets for rockets

surreal hazel
#

the funniest interaction with nightspawn is oddly counter barrage, since it launches 5 non-omega rockets

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Launcher Frame might be okay with it, especially with success rate

keen moon
#

What’s counter barrage?

half sigil
#

Siege frame is usually my go to on nyx, the range is absurd with night spawn

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Block spawns special

surreal hazel
civic ocean
#

It turns on the crit for the shield punch right

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From Arcana side

keen moon
#

Oh word

low copper
#

Yeah Nyx Coat has higher potential if you keep Nightspawn up but it's clunky to constantly refresh, requires you to find a mana solution, and feels disruptive to your core loop of whatever you've built with attacks/specials

willow phoenix
#

Is the build for nyx same for mel coat?

half sigil
#

Hmm I disagree personally

half sigil
surreal hazel
#

Mel is just flexible, you aren't fishing for specific stuff at the start of the run

half sigil
#

Whereas Mel is really good with Hera but stuff like pos works also

willow phoenix
half sigil
#

Mel is the same. Rocket punch punch combo

surreal hazel
#

The coat basic stats are 30/40 for the combo and 25 per rocket, it's in that sweet spot of damage where basically everyone's core boons will work well

half sigil
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Nyx has more range and rockets targets more ennemies

bleak night
#

not looking forward to playing Nyx

half sigil
#

It’s better for ad clear at least early game imo

low copper
#

Yeah exactly and coat has some really ridiculous hammers too, so Mel can just roll with whatever you get - spam Exhaust Riser, Shimmering Rocket room clears, repeated Zeus blitz procs if you get the omega special speed one, etc

bleak night
#

idk I just feel like I'm playing a rank 1 Mel Coat

surreal hazel
#

the ram is greedy for mana

half sigil
#

Mynt don’t hate nyx pls 😢

bleak night
#

I only play Mel Axe anyway lmao

surreal hazel
#

honestly I just use it for the damage it does

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kinda annoying really, Nyx wants you dashing around a lot, but dash strike is one of the things it doesn't benefit

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if it did then it'd honestly be much better

half sigil
#

Eh

surreal hazel
#

it'd basically be an outer ring on the dash strike for half damage

half sigil
#

You can cancel dash strike after a nyx proc and tbh you should

solid copper
#

Has anyone tested if:

  1. scorch is affected by air quality/extended family?
  2. Bolts from duo boons like h ail storm are affected by double strike?
  3. Duo boon damage like vapor or freezer burn is affected by extended family?
bleak night
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which hammer was buggy with the Coat dash attack again

surreal hazel
bleak night
half sigil
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Exhaust riser

willow phoenix
surreal hazel
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The Nyx ram forcibly ends your sprint, but Beach Ball doesn't notice that and stays there

bleak night
half sigil
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Oh yea idk

bleak night
#

I tried it like 2 days ago and I forgot the name of it

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it's the one that increases the range of your punches

surreal hazel
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Launcher, Reaper, Siege, Melting Cross

solid copper
#

So how many times per second does scorch deal how much damage normally?

surreal hazel
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Oh, siege for more range, reaper for bigger

bleak night
#

I think Siege Frame is the bugged one ?

surreal hazel
half sigil
#

What’s wrong with siege?

bleak night
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the dash attack wasn't following me

solid copper
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So scorch deals 10 dmg 8 times per second normally?

half sigil
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Hmm interesting. Haven’t had any issue personally. But I’m a dash strike hater on coat

surreal hazel
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and it deals 40DPS, s it alternates between 6 and 7 damage per tick to make the 40DPS happen

timber pawn
half sigil
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Except on Selene

bleak night
bleak night
surreal hazel
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at base values anyway, scorch recieves all universal damage buffs like Origination and Strength

bleak night
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I spam dash attacks on Coat on everything except Selene, where I build % damage instead

surreal hazel
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the code that deals with fractional damage can handle it properly without truncating

half sigil
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If you loop special attack omegas, you often get to a group of ennemies with wards and your o attack will nothing

civic ocean
half sigil
#

So dash strike to remove shield into o attack

surreal hazel
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yeah, 6 ticks per second of whatever damage scorch needs to be doing based on the various modifiers you can have

half sigil
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On nyx I never use dash strike

surreal hazel
#

the scorch value and the orange hp bar reflect unmodified damage that scorch would do

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so it's usually understating how much it's really doing to some extent

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Pyro Technique similarly doesn't change the tickrate, just how much scorch value gets used up every tick, which is usually good, but sometimes not

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(Burning Desire, my beloved)

civic ocean
#

Would love for some of the innards for how the game works mechanically to be changed to better reflect how they ought to work for Air Quality but that might be overpowered

glossy rivet
#

whats the stronkest aspect for an Ares build?

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Ares + whoever for origination i guess

half sigil
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Depends on weapon, a lot of atk works

primal phoenix
half sigil
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Ares I think on your special on most weapon is best

glossy rivet
#

ares on charon axe?

half sigil
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Haven’t tried it

glossy rivet
#

hera cast + dem gust, with ares special + cut above hmm

loud moat
#

Depends on what you are going for.

Torches combined with Cutting Edge (omegas cause swords to drop) with both Heph and Apollo Duo's is pretty bonkers.

Get triple helix and the hammer that increases spin rate for omega specials.

You end up with Blitz but better as your swords proc on enemies 2 times, and strike immediately.

Combine with blood drops to get your Omega special torches charge time to near zero

slate trench
primal phoenix
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Oh yeah

loud moat
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Momus Staff with Ares/Demeter Duo is also pretty bananas.

primal phoenix
#

Been a while since I've played the Staff, think I'll try it again

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Ares attack or Ares special on it ?

bleak night
slate trench
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can you die to mortal gain? seriously considering taking it right now at the shop before chronos 50F with pan lmao I dont have any mana regen besides the doggo and i know im gonna be dry phase 2

bleak night
half sigil
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Imo ares is best on your secondary source of dmg. So for staff probably special. But I’ll let someone answer on staff specifically

bleak night
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Mini told me to go Ares on staff special ye

half sigil
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There you go

civic ocean
#

I like it a lot as a primary dmg source too but on smaller faster weps like blades special

slate trench
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RIP shouldve took the mortal gain, probably wouldnt have gotta hit if i had mana regen

solid copper
#

Ok next question: Does glorious disaster just upgrade prominece flare's damage or is it a seperate damge tick (to double dip from air quality) and if so can it be affected by double srike?

sage flame
sage flame
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but everything feels good at 0-10 fear lol

civic ocean
leaden turtle
#

Are ares boons good?

half sigil
#

yes

leaden turtle
#

What do you recommend built

half sigil
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putting it on your secondary source of damage (usually special). Try to get grevious blow asap

leaden turtle
#

Oh okay

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I use staff normally

half sigil
#

yea so taht would apply

leaden turtle
#

Okay is there any better weapon for ares maybe? I want to switch I only used staff the whole time but now beat botj bosses I want something new

half sigil
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it works well with almost any weapon. It's a good support god

leaden turtle
#

Thanks

idle breach
#

Hey!!! I apologize for the silly question, but is there a "strategy" for learning the Axe that I am missing? Every other weapon flows from me like water, but the axe is really hard for me to grasp! I think its because it doesen't have many get out of jail free cards as the other weapons!

bleak night
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Either way, I do have a guide up. It was made for last patch but the mechanics and the general descriptions are still up to date, just not the Arcana

sage flame
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was gonna link mynts guide but mynt is already here

bleak night
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yeah, guide kinda outdated for Arcana is all

sage flame
#

yeah fair

#

the burden of sharing knowledge

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ur literally like prometheus I think

bleak night
#

if I had foresight I'd know when to stop making guides because they can update and make them antiquated

sage flame
#

:)

idle breach
bleak night
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it has clips of mechanics and infographics, but ignore the Arcana setups because they're completely different now

idle breach
bleak night
#

Glad I could help out

idle breach
# bleak night Glad I could help out

I apologize for messaging you again so soon; You seem to tout Frinos as a very good companion for the axe! Raki makes complete sense to me because crit just naturally scales very well with heavy hitting attacks, but what makes you so smitten with the frog?

bleak night
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Strength is preferable that being said

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on Charon, I recommend Hecuba more, but you can run Frinos to minimize the mistakes. Raki's alright but it doesn't do rapid damage like Than Axe, so that small crit rate is negligible.

idle breach
bleak night
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tbh Charon plays super differently to the other 2, so learn that differently

glossy rivet
#

i hear ares is good on high hit rate weapons even though its a % boon. is it good but like if i get ares + grievous wounds or blood drop?

bleak night
bleak night
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for Artemis Blades, for example, just put Wound on Special and run your usual programming of either Hera/Aphro or Scorch, with either of those wanting Static Shock to go with it

civic ocean
#

Think about what you want the high attack speed weapon to do and why you’re playing it then fit wounds into it

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It’s pretty easy to get two curses if you’re running hera attack so think about what you’re doing with Ares like are we rolling for him and taking him enough times to get blood drops and dubs or would we be better off with a heaven flourish on our off-wep

primal phoenix
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Didnt try Strength Arcana yet, so used to my death defiances..

glossy rivet
#

hestia atk on artemis blades hmm?

half sigil
civic ocean
#

Blades in general attack like a billion times a second so scorch is pretty good on then

glossy rivet
#

so aphrodite then since isnt it built for omega atk spam

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but yeah i guess scorch is good when not doing the omega spam

civic ocean
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I think at like really high fear levels the plan is usually to just not take a god keepsake so you get used to doing stuff like taking scorch on art blades because thats what is purple in the hestia room you just cleared

timid temple
#

arty blades don't have to omega spam you can do riposte > normal attack (the omega attack hammers are rly good tho)

glossy rivet
#

explosive ambush always feels so good (except when doing pospan)

radiant stirrup
#

does single elimination work on bosses? I would assume so but idk

civic ocean
#

When they’re alone yeah

north granite
#

How do you build Pan? I've never actually used I mostly use Artemis

bleak night
#

stack 3 Poseidon boons required for the Legendary to appear, then maybe just go Demeter for the Arctic Ring

minor hedge
#

I also like the Hera or Zeus boons that turn your cast into a projectile or the Apollo boon that makes it expand over time for Pan, but those aren't all that necessary

slate trench
#

that feeling when you get banished to Asphodel on a 50F run 😭

bleak night
#

is that a bad thing? It's a timesave no?

slate trench
#

no the timer runs and it takes like a minute

half sigil
#

fail it

bleak night
slate trench
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lmao I didn't even know you could fail it i thought u just don't get let out until 100%

bleak night
#

you lose on the reward but nothing bad happens after

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so if the reward is a minor find then just save that time

bleak night
slate trench
#

ty ty its all good don't need much time to kill sirens anyway

half sigil
paper flare
#

the Asphodel time save is the best trick tbh

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I never thought I'd see the day where I'd be happy to be kidnaped by grandpa

slate trench
#

Now I'm gonna be triggered when I time out on gramps

uneven palm
bleak night
slate trench
#

wow lmao finished the run with 00:00.77 on the clock and 5 HP, 1 tick would've killed me

bleak night
uneven palm
bleak night
#

yeah, at your own pace.

uneven palm
#

All my staff builds in shambles right now

bleak night
#

ngl ask Mini for his input on it

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I can help with Axe, Blades, Coat and Skull

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I just did a fun lil build on Mel Blades earlier and I'm looking to develop it a bit more

uneven palm
#

Anvil Ring winners circle is a killer combo

half sigil
#

its really good yers

bleak night
uneven palm
#

That’s like my go-to Persephone build now I think

uneven palm
bleak night
#

400k cast damage clang gang

civic ocean
#

Also a classic example of fear and self doubt

west thunder
#

Stupid question but stalwart stand does disable strength arcana right?

half sigil
#

yes

timber pawn
indigo terrace
#

What’s a good special to use with Aspect of Persephone? Hera?

bleak night
#

since you go near targets to Omega Special

sick tide
#

Are there any builds where you wouldn’t want Origination in your arcana? I always feel a little reluctant to use gods like Aphrodite and Apollo when their attacks and specials don’t guarantee it, even though I know the sprint and cast can cover it

half sigil
#

i mean personally i always run it
50% global is just too good

bleak night
sick tide
#

Ah, that makes sense

bleak night
#

even for certain aspects that do use MP but don't have too high costs, it's an option

sick tide
#

I’m…pretty addicted to Born and Ionic Gain, so I should experiment with others more

bleak night
half sigil
#

i mean they're gfenerally the best gain. others are good situationally

bleak night
half sigil
#

yea more than likely

#

that would go in situationall ycause it's only for 1 hammer imo

bleak night
#

Staff appreciates the smacks anyway

#

the 1 hammer is the holy grail tho tbf for the entire weapon, which is funny

half sigil
#

For real

sick tide
#

Is Fluid Gain also useful in builds that use Hestia’s? Or is it too inconsistent?

bleak night
timber pawn
#

Probably better now with success rate but prior to that not so much

bleak night
#

just luck ?

timber pawn
#

Ah hey, fair enough, but ya maybe just good rng?

bleak night
#

maybe, hmmm

indigo terrace
#

Fluid gain is one of the possible prerequisites for Poseidon’s legendary so it can be ok if you’re aiming for that

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Otherwise, I never really use it tbh

gaunt coyote
# sick tide Are there any builds where you wouldn’t want Origination in your arcana? I alway...

I’m no 50f monster but I love playing around Aphrodite specifically for builds that don’t care much about magic like axe. Her gain is a universal 50% of origination, and 100% with her legendary. Combine with any curse-dealing dash or cast and it’s 100% origination uptime. Slap her on attack and gain with the axe for instance, find the other 50% or pray for her legendary and it’s huge brainless damage

civic ocean
#

The only downside in that case is that if your build doesn’t care that much about magic you would ideally like to run huntress

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And glam gain shuts that down, though so does priming boons

gaunt coyote
#

Yeah ^ huntress can mess with it a bit but spam your highest-cost omega during downtime moments to bandaid it along and profit??? It’s the one circumstance where I’m actively hunting for her common gain to slow regen down lol

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For instance on axe I’m slotting in an o-special whenever I have a second to breathe just to keep things rolling. The omega-cast speed upgrade from Hermes helps too. Anything to keep it from being topped off

wanton leaf
#

Question, how does the Demeter damage cap boon interact with the Heph/Hera duo that reduces damage by up to half by consuming magick?

winged raft
#

different question, does blitz apply before, after, or at the same time your attack/special damage applies?

surreal hazel
#

after

#

it still considers itself to be active when it does damage, so it helps proc its own origination bonus

#

One of the things about tough gain being core is that it must be pommable, in a way flood control wasn't

#

So you can get some pretty nutty damage reduction on it

dense turret
#

what a tank build

spare kite
#

Is basically a check where if dmg is over 20 then cap it

civic ocean
wanton leaf
#

Unfortunate

surreal hazel
#

walk up to everything and kabong, damage to me was largely moot

twin bolt
#

gonna say torches and ares are great

stable lichen
#

ares is basically good with everything, global pommable chance for 2x damage (+ status for origination too) with 2 boons is so busted

sick tide
#

Good to know regarding Aphro, and thanks everyone!

night hornet
#

Your Mel skull build was super effective, thank you so much for the advice!

blissful marsh
#

I haven't really tested ti but does Winners circle make hephetus cast faster?

spare kite
#

Yes

blissful marsh
#

I didn't try it initially cuz I thought it have anti synergy and just cut off the cast after like one clank instead of makign the full cycle faster

civic ocean
#

Does anyone know if it makes Prominence Flare faster?

#

Or end shorter?

left echo
#

Hopping back into the game to try out the new content but with the second and thrid bosses of the surface. Any build recommendations to help me clear it again so I can check out the new stuff?

#

Def need a win to get my groove back lol. Ill try that one out next run thank you!

split igloo
#

i just need to get a win top side. i don't know what has happened but i have lost My groove

polar chasm
#

On moros, would it be better to pom heroic arc flash or rare Zeus special

mild sparrow
#

chat does engraved pin mess up strength

#

or is it not treated as a DD

sick tide
#

It does now

mild sparrow
#

damn, that sucks

#

talking strict EHP strength maxed out should give enough ehp and the buff on top of it to balance up to 3 DDs, but engraved pin being treated as a DD is kinda bleh

split igloo
#

What sort of build should i be looking for with the black coat and aspect of Mel?

obsidian remnant
#

that coupled with the ares blades dash and ares/heph duo felt really fun

spare kite
#

Also yeah dash strike hammer lol

obsidian remnant
#

was gonna say yeah also had poseidon

civic ocean
obsidian remnant
#

was a ton of fun to play and poseidon is great with xinth for multiple reasons but i love it for the extra breathing room, rip poseidon sprint

civic ocean
vast timber
#

What are good hammers for the aspect of mel and black coat?

spare kite
#

Scroll up a few messages lol

uneven palm
cursive oyster
lunar lance
#

So here's a build idea.
Mirrored Thrasher + Power Surge.

Every strike from your staff costs magic, and thus triggers the lightning bolts

#

Combine that with Cardio Gain, and you're probably really cooking.

paper flare
#

bolt spam for the vibes

lunar lance
#

Yess

#

Does sadly depend on luck in getting mirrored thrasher from a hammer. But I'm sure there's other good builds for Zeus on staff if you don't get that early on

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But if you do get it, and get to build around it, I think it could be real neat.

low copper
#

Tbh Athena is kind of losing her lustre for me - are her boons really that strong? Dash is really good as always, and I feel like Defensive Posture can save you in a bad multi-hit spot, but the rest of her boons feel gated by cooldowns (special/cast), high activation requirements (her spear on mana use), or are anti-synergy with strength (replenishing DD)

paper flare
#

I guess doing a surface run could aleviate it a bit, makes getting an early hammer feel easier at least

lunar lance
civic ocean
lunar lance
civic ocean
#

It also puts hera in the pool if you want to pivot to O attacks instead you can go Born Gain

split igloo
#

Man i got My ass beat again by Typhon. wondering if I should go back to axe or staff

lunar lance
civic ocean
#

I like Momus more but sure. Circe works fine

timber pawn
magic moss
civic ocean
#

Wait surely mirrored is more than 90 damage a combo

#

On its own

cursive oyster
obsidian remnant
civic ocean
#

Oh word

My understanding is it’s probably worse than static shock but if you get both and the hera global damage increase you are probably cooking

obsidian remnant
#

i had static shock and divine vengeance with a zeus/ares build but unfortunately didnt manage to get the duo to proc post-damage effects

#

with epic hestia attack gain and the double damage on wound from areas, it was really lovely and fun to play

round quartz
#

Does Success Rate work on Raki's crit chance?

civic ocean
#

It’s my understanding that success rate works on both the innate crit and Marked

round quartz
round quartz
obsidian remnant
#

divine dash with hermes new dash increase boon is amazing even at common

round quartz
#

I guess so, but I'm just used to holding dash for sprinting

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So I just never really take stutter step

pseudo sequoia
#

granted i haven't tried it with winner's circle but i know mental block has a cooldown, atm the cooldown lasts long enough that you can't activate deflect again if you place a cast immediately after it dissipates

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so i think divine dash is currently best in slot for athena boons

round quartz
#

Ah I see

obsidian remnant
#

also i feel like i've seen some weirdness with impervious from mental block and the new card that makes you briefly impervious

#

i had both and it felt like my timing was seriously off from when i used mental block before

pseudo sequoia
#

not seen that myself, though i barely take the messenger anyway

#

if you do come across it again you should definitely f10 it, it's definitely not intended

round quartz
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I would like to experiment with messenger more
But its placement in arcana cards that makes me take swift runner for divinity

pseudo sequoia
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i usually swap it out for the sorceress depending on whether or not i'm using magick for the run but often i forget to change decks and it's barely a difference anyway so the messenger usually gets swept under the rug lol

round quartz
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The burst speed is nice

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I should probably take off sorceress more for something else for 1 but yeah

obsidian remnant
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i mostly have it because i landed at 28 with only two 1 grasp cards available, i'm not sure i've seen any real benefit to using it

polar aspen
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Are there any sheets or notes to look through in terms of generally good combination obtions of weapons (or aspects) with certain gods in terms of what compliments each other?
I feel like a couple of things are obvious (Zeus chain lightning with a fast weapon) but I'm sure I'm missing a lot of them nonetheless

hazy crater
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not that im aware of, you just gotta experiment and learn from what people say

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btw, if you were not aware, currently the most broken build is probably posedion special+pan aspect

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I just did my highest fear(16) run yet with it, and I was able to 2 shot the second phase of chronos with it

polar aspen
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what the hell
that sounds crazy 😮

magic moss
hazy crater
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actually I cant remember if it was two shot or if I did other damage, at the very least it was like 85%

magic moss
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it is aimed at high fear tho, so dont take it as gospel

polar aspen
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I'm currently going my way through Olympus since I still have a bit to find in terms of interactions and stuff since the update
but I notice that I'm pretty rusty, the overworld is having its way with me 😅

polar aspen
hazy crater
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anyone know how much HP chronos has?

magic moss
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you can run everything boonless at any fear level below 40, and some aspects can do boonless up to 50 so builds are kinda relative?

hazy crater
magic moss
hazy crater
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yep

polar aspen
round quartz
tame silo
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Do we know how much health ||typhon|| has?

timid temple
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poor eris trying to get a last stand off when i hit her with glowing coal 4th degree and banish her from this realm

uneven palm
uneven palm
polar aspen
tame silo
uneven palm
polar aspen
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Seeing some of the high fear runs (and also the high... whatever it was in Hades 1) I'm quite glad that I'm not too much into that I have to admit
But it's so impressive how some of you manage to get through all of that!

uneven palm
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Speaking for myself it’s a little some skill and mostly some luck that Hera/Zeus/Demeter/Heph show up

sturdy trail
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Yo, I havent played yet. Did they give us back the old timeslow somehow some way?

uneven palm
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Yes, Eternity card. Costs 3

obsidian remnant
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i just died to eris for the first time in i don't even know how long, I HATE SKULLS

gilded trail
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Need help: I've tried Typhon 3 times now - the first time I reached him with 0 DD. The 2nd and 3rd time I actually got there relatively unscathed (learned the mini bosses better / got lucky), but in the second half of Typhon I felt like it's basically impossible to avoid damage. The laser sweeps are easy to dodge, but the 100 tadpoles (don't know what they are called) and the triple large splashes basically destroy me. I feel like there is something I'm missing, or I'm panicking too much at them. Any tips on those would be super appreciated.

uneven palm
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For the tadpoles stay by his face

obsidian remnant
gilded trail
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Dropping DD feels so iffy. I'm already pretty inconsistent with avoiding damage! I also wonder if my general strategy is bad. Like, I should favor HP and HP related boons over other stuff

obsidian remnant
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honestly, i struggled to consistently beat anything until i dropped DD

gilded trail
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That is a.... very strange statement to hear. Wow. I guess I have to give it a try

obsidian remnant
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when i used DD i seemed to really push it near the end of a run and finishing the boss on that route could be inconsistent

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i think a lot of people have found the damage increase from the card + running athena's keepsake helps them take less damage and also mitigate damage actively via dashing

gilded trail
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So, it's not merely an effect of "lack of DD makes me learn skills quicker"?

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I have to try this..

obsidian remnant
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hahaha nope, you get the damage output increase plus you take less damage.

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with the new sprint card you can also sprint through a lot of damage. i tried a run without it and i definitely noticed a difference on the last boss

gilded trail
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Okay I don't know what it means by "sprint through damage" but now I have to check it out 😄

obsidian remnant
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lemme check my arcana rq, just got to a point where timer's not running

gilded trail
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"Pass right through most dangers" - what exactly does that mean?

obsidian remnant
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like everything else in this game's copy, it's dreadfully unclear, but it does seem to work on the last boss. i actually just realized i didn't take it which is probably why i'm eating so much schnitzel this round

lunar lance
obsidian remnant
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i'd LOVE to eat a gyro rn

lunar lance
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So, I have just learned that the staff's Mirrored Thrasher pairs delightfully well with Cardio Gain.

5 magic spent per strike, but 4 magic gained per hit. You basically eliminate the downside of mirrored thrasher

obsidian remnant
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PREACH, IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL

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with zeus's power surge it's just chefkiss

gilded trail
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Hades II should have an option to switch the food we can buy at Charon's shop, to our food of choice....

magic moss
obsidian remnant
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OHHHHH OMG IT IS A GYRO IN THE SHOP

junior trail
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how does ares x zeus duo work exactly, like its vengeful mood but better?

obsidian remnant
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look y'all i'm in tejas i thought they were burritos

lunar lance
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Yeah, they've been gyros since Hades 1. Because it's Greek, after all

lunar lance
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Might be worth trying an Ares/Zeus/Apollo combo for a run

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Not sure if the cooldown is per enemy, like Wounds, or if it's more like Hephaestus's blasts

junior trail
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i think it's per enemy, and wow i miss nasty comeback now

obsidian remnant
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yeah nasty comeback seemed like the only revenge boon worth taking before

sage flame
gilded trail
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As in, from what I gather from what was said above, the tadpoles aren't projectiles, but enemies you can move through without damage while sprinting

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And thanks to @obsidian remnant , I'm now also looking at my cards more carfully...... but I'm wondering what are people doing with their arcana, and what are their relic strategies. For a long time now, I've been using Aromatic Phial to turn the first common boon in the first zone into heroic.... but with Excellence, I've found that..... sometimes I upgrade nothing, and I have to keep that relic for a while.

In any case, has someone here (or elsewhere, I guess) compiled some good builds somewhere, or can folks here tell me what they're using right now in terms of arcana, and strategy of using relics to get through things?

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I typically like to use knuckle bones for the last area, so the last boss is easier, but as I said earlier, this hasn't worked out well for me, with Typhon

waxen garden
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is meat grinder any good on charon? it seems like it wouldn't be since the grinder only happens between omega cast and cast expiry

drowsy hornet
obsidian remnant
# gilded trail And thanks to <@675506384858775552> , I'm now also looking at my cards more carf...

so i used to run origination and pretty much whatever damage buff i could because they were "free" damage, but especially on the surface, i had trouble getting a good build together, so i've since switched to pretty much always using a layout that gives me at least the boon rerolls and the location reward rerolls. more often than not i'm also taking boatman so i can get the 4 additional rerolls. even with them it can be a little difficult to get a build fully online just because there's so much boon / hammer bloat. i'll start a run w/ strength, athena's keepsake, and i'll always try to complete a row or column of arcana to get the bonus to epic boon drops. (also, another fun thing about athena is that she'll come in and clear a room for you, usually after the first wave or sometimes as soon as you attack one of the spirit traps)

drowsy hornet
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Also I don't think I'd ever taken Light Smite before and it kind of rips for mobs

mild sparrow
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treat it effectively like a bullet hell, they'll despawn soon enough

robust otter
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whats a good boon for umbral flames?

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i really cant get aspect of malinoe going

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Axe has the most busted builds for me so far

willow phoenix
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It used to only apply daze in aoe, not damage

oak carbon
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what are your guys' favorite builds for each weapon? I've almost got every aspect to Rank V and I'm having fun finding real powerful ones

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enjoying aphrodite attack on Aspect of Medea (Skull) at the moment

crimson cave
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Moros Staff Momus Staff is very silly with a build prioritising Omega moves

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A lot of the Hammer boons get so much more value because you're firing 3x the number of stuff

oak carbon
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ooooh nice point

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are there any olympians you tend to prioritize with it?

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(I'm working on leveling up all the keepsakes)

robust otter
oak carbon
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thinkowo i'll have to try that too, I do enjoy using thanatos + apollo attack

robust otter
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i generally run hestia and appolo casts since they feel so good together

magic moss
crimson cave
# oak carbon are there any olympians you tend to prioritize with it?

TBH, I can't think of any boons that stand out because they all feel pretty good to use. But off the top of my head, I would go for:

Apollo Attack (makes the lines wider to hit more stuff)
Poseidon Special (Gets very silly with the Hammer that doubles your special projectiles)

steel sequoia
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forgot thishttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1344142285897596939/20250225231800_1.jpg?ex=67bfd58d&is=67be840d&hm=fbabb2becaa8e9a1e74e636cdee20381d0f65a3c882147e4a77a8ebf0845336d&

bleak night
steel sequoia
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i need to try antler, dont feel safe playing it

wanton leaf
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Dumb question: is the Hell Splitter upgrade bad

willow phoenix
formal pulsar
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does hermes omega moves speed up (racing thoughts) work with charon? I know that sorceress is still bugged

bleak night
formal pulsar
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soooo it just works with ares, hammer and droplet now

bleak night
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you also run Poseidon on it now, which I never thought I'd be saying

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purely for the one boon, sure, but still

formal pulsar
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yeah that omega cast boon is also pretty with persephone. it fills that meter in like one cast

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i know it is because I am bad, but I like hermes boon (winner's circle) because it is so painful when you miss the cast with your omega special and you have to wait 6 seconds, that boon makes soooo much less painful

vernal scaffold
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So I know apollo legendary only doubles the first round on momus staff, how does it work on the axe omega attack? Does it double hit count and rate?

bleak night
bleak night
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with psychic whirlwind you can have multiple active

vernal scaffold
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Thanks, thats a shame but does make psychic whirlwind even more interesting, overlapping omega attack durations you can dash during...

formal pulsar
bleak night
# formal pulsar what's that?

Winner's Circle + Anvil Ring on the side while you build something else. Static Shock builds enjoy it because you naturally have the chance to get Master Conductor

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it does about 40% of your total damage

formal pulsar
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does anvil ring gets faster procs because the cast is shorter?

bleak night
formal pulsar
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H O L Y

bleak night
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CLANG....CLANG....CLANG -> CLANGCLANGCLANG

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only works for Heph though, not Storm Ring, Arctic Ring or Rapture Ring, because those have set timers between strkes

formal pulsar
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I am definitely running this now omg

bleak night
obsidian remnant
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okay i tried hitch on medea skulls. it feels terrible 😭 with the reduced AOE. i just honestly can't find a build that feels good with this thing now

bleak night
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probs not right ?

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because usually Hera is not that bad on it on Attack

obsidian remnant
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no i'm specialing into them but the reduced aoe on their explosion means that even in a mob it doesn't feel like it's reliably hitting everyone

bleak night
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Probs just go Aphro then and focus on damage I suppose

obsidian remnant
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any recs for special with aphro attack?

bleak night
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Special tags targets with Blitz, then the skull explodes to pop it

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so with at least a 60% damage boost on your Attack it should just keep popping and reapplying Blitz at every combo

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People generally start Zeus keepsake because you have multiple choices for attack

obsidian remnant
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tyty!

bleak night
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it's very good eeveewow

obsidian remnant
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i love anvil ring, i just picked up an epic actually and i'm hoping for winners circle! i dont see winners circle that often unfort so hopefully now's the time

timid temple
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god anvil ring winners circle is sooo funny. i kinda bricked it with tipsy shot but whatevs

obsidian remnant
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taking tipsy shot ruined my life one night

bleak night
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GlaceonSip tipsy shot grenades

obsidian remnant
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weeeee i got anvil ring w/ winners circle

bleak night
obsidian remnant
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omg it is hilarious on charybdis when the tentacles group up

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calamari timeee

timid temple
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HERA! SMITE THEM!!!!

steady tartan
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imagine if it worked with prominence flare so you didnt have to wait so long between casts

sage flame
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im surprised rapture ring isn't sped up

obsidian remnant
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can someone explain air quality to me? is it helpful? it seems like base damage of most weapons already exceeds 30?

sage flame
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doesn't it have the same type of damage description as anvil ring? xx damage every xx seconds?

junior trail
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woah imagine anvil ring, winner's circle and momus+premium service

obsidian remnant
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that's wild?!?

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yeah that seems kind of wild to me

spare kite
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Also there's a basillion global dmg buffs

sage flame
junior trail
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but scorch doe, and it stacks with pyro technique iirc?

spare kite
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Scorch works well with AQ due to how it deals the dmg but doesn't pair with pyro technique

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Basically yeah

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Scorch deals it in like, small ticks of 6-7 dmg iirc so it boosts these to 30

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@civic ocean knows better about air fryer

civic ocean
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It’s still pretty bad unfortunately

sage flame
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that sounds familiar, I remember people calling it the air fryer early on, when scorch dps was way smaller

civic ocean
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I coined the term air fryer yeah

sage flame
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ayy there you go

civic ocean
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It’s… like kind of a decent damage boost

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Uhh kinda let me explain on keyboard

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Air Quality states that you cannot deal less than 30 damage after the damage calculation is finished

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So essentially, every time scorch ticks its damage that tick cannot deal less than 30

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Now it used to be that scorch only did 40 DPS on its own, and Strength did not boost global damage %

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In those cases, Air Fryer was actually pretty strong

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Relative to how dogwater scorch was. However, now scorch on its own deals about 13 DPS

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Factor in Origination, Strength, and Furies, and now all of a sudden one other curse means you are dealing 26 DPS to anything in a cast, and Air Quality is now a 4 damage boost that requires it and 5 air

sage flame
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by 13 dps and 26 dps do you mean damage per tick?

civic ocean
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yes sorry

sage flame
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gotcha gotcha

spare kite
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Love how there's barely any global boost in h1 and now just arcana has like 105%

civic ocean
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The real crime with Air Quality is that hidden mechanics in the game undercut how good it is

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If scorch was changed from being /6 to a higher tick rate, for example, it would be a big buff. Additionally, looking at something like the Ares Omega spinning blade, SGG set its tick rate to /4, way too low for air quality to work

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But the ultimate crime is hitch which just straight up has a hidden mechanic designed to ruin AQ

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Hitch says that afflicted foes take 30% of damage dealt to other afflicted foes

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you would think that this would be quite good with AQ because it would turn the 30s you hit things with into Hitched 9 damage bits that AQ would then turn into 30 damage

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However, hitch is secretly cumulative

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All the damage a hitched target takes stacks up. So if something takes 5 ticks of 10 hitch, that would normally be 50 damage, with Air Quality it SHOULD be 150 damage, but in actuality, with Air Quality it is 70. 30+10+10+10+10

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TLDR it's a fun meme build but I wouldn't consider it good

timid temple
formal pulsar
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are omega cast boons like local climate and hostile environment supposed to buff normal cast damage? because I am seeing numbers that shouldn't be possible otherwise

civic ocean
junior trail
lapis star
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can i get a build for moros flame?

bleak night
# lapis star can i get a build for moros flame?

Standard build is generally Hera on Attack and Gain, Zeus on Special. Once your MP is built up higher, grab Fine Line from Hera. Prioritize Clean Candle and Clean Helix from the Hammer upgrades. Last 2 gods can be defensive, but people prefer Demeter on the Cast because Arctic Ring is really good.

lapis star
bleak night
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when your Omega Special runs out, just channel it again.

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The aspect heavily appreciates Omega Channel speed because it lets you keep your Omega Special uptime up.

sand rampart
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how do i sustain magic on certain aspects that require a ton of the stuff (moros)? i havent played in a while but born gain isnt the "u have infinite magic" it once was and everything else seems so slow

bleak night
sand rampart
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cool :3

lapis star
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can i also get a thanatos axe build?

bleak night
lapis star
bleak night
lapis star
bleak night
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If it's Rapid Slash, go full manaless and aim to maximize attack power. If Psychic Whirlwind, prioritize Omega Attack uptime. If Seething Marauder, both playstyles work together fairly well

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Can also go Static Shock from Zeus to compound, but the strength of Than is how easy it is to pilot. You do need to ensure you fix your scaling issues, as it struggles later in the game.

lapis star
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i can just ignore specials right?

bleak night
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If you get the Melting Shredder Hammer upgrade option and nothing else looks good, it's something you can take to just never have issues with armoured enemies

last cape
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Does chain lightning count for double strike?

bleak night
spare kite
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the description is lightning bolts, chain lightning ain't one

bleak night
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mb

robust otter
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does aspect of Pan even work? i tried to use it but it just felt so bad to use

bleak night
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wdym

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it's considered the best aspect in the game by most people

robust otter
#

Any build recommendations? i really cant get the homing to work well

bleak night
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for the MP Regen it's usually Born Gain, but stuff like Ionic can work as well. Fluid is a bit rng reliant

last cape
bleak night
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I thought static shock was divine vengeance for some reason

spare kite
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Lmfao

bleak night
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getting chain zapped by divine vengeance CB_laughing