h2-builds-and-combat

[dense turret]

yeah that one, okay makes sense. i mean it doesnt use dice or anything, so for that you might as well just use it up

[bleak night]

Yeah, true. Separate resource. Might as well do it. 10 rerolls and 300 gold at the start with 3 Artificer charges makes runs loaded usually.

build freedom goes hard

[dense turret]

nice nice, gonna be interesting, before i only ran 2 rerolls because i hadnt upgraded the cards and thought yeah ill run the whole corner once i upgrade... then i stopped playing until multiple patches later so here i am :D did a lot of chaos trials and used the currency in between trials for dust to upgrade things

[bleak night]

Ah, yeah makes sense. Hope your rerolls go hard

[dense turret]

ty

[bleak night]

of course, glad I could help

[dense turret]

is the regen slot just any boons that relate to mana regen? like aphros, weaken enemies and get restore mana from them?

[bleak night]

yep, they're called Gain boons

[dense turret]

nice nice, also i upgraded the strength card and trying it out now... it's like playing a different game, ty for the recommendation before

[bleak night]

! Pin sucks with it tho, don't run

[dense turret]

pin?

[bleak night]

Engraved Pin

[dense turret]

oh yea okay, i wasn't running it too much before either way hahah

[surreal hazel]

can now confirm that winner's circle makes Glorious Disaster actually usable

you still kinda need supernova, a good mana source and ideally Air Quality to make it actually good though

and if you get to be that choosy, there's still better combinations

[north granite]

You guys got any ygnium builds?

any aspect is fine

[cursive cobalt]

Colossus Driver for Argent Skull strengthens the special attack Ω? Will the extra damage count

[willow phoenix]

If you want to try the new stuff then zeus on special and arc flash is pretty good, try it on mel torch

But the old reliable for torch is probably moros with zeus special and hera/apollo/aphro attack

the important thing with torch is that the o special is the real bread and butter of the weapons most of the time, so build around that

[jovial schooner]

Ok this is obnoxious. Nemesis keeps stealing my kills and thus money. Not like, one or two. all of them it's like she's programmed to go after enemies you've already weakened.

[lofty lintel]

How is typhon easier than prometheus? I really expected more from that fight. It took me ages to clear prometheus. Took me like 2 tries with typhon

[steel sequoia]

i think they buffed prom, the dodges he is doing rn is really annoying and they buffed the minions throwing spears too they werent that way if i remember

the time you have to invest by dodging from distance and placing flames out of the middle of the map really annoys me

[neat pier]

Only thing nerfed from Prometheus is the memory game damage, it seems

[willow phoenix]

overall damage seems lower tbh, especially the big moves he does

[willow phoenix]

Imo it's more that Typhon is much clearer in his telegraph, his patterns are much more recognizable. While for players new to Prom it can be hard to tell what he's doing

[steel sequoia]

as a caster player i find annoying i cant ensnare him and do proper damage without him dodging and doing another busted move in my face

typhon just stays still, thats why people think its easier, when you get its patterns its over

[neat pier]

What I find most annoying about Prometheus is his Zuko firebending kick he does in the opposite direction everytime I dodge his uppercut forward

[lost shell]

is there any good site where i can look for builds?

im returning now after a few months away and i have no idea what to build

[bleak night]

lmk what weap you want a build on. No sites yet

[lost shell]

tbh i love ares

[bleak night]

On what weap or aspect

[lost shell]

but i would like to try everything

[bleak night]

I can for sure recommend you an Ares build

[lost shell]

nothing specific. i tried ares/zeus/heph yesterday with than axe

[bleak night]

You like Aspect of Artemis ?

[drowsy torrent]

anyone got a suggestion for a surface 32 build? ive been getting by with my beloved poseidon thanatos scythe but im kinda getting annihilated

[bleak night]

Don't run Poseidon on Than if possible

It's got scaling issues since it's flat damage

If you wanna go Than for sure then do Ares on Attack and hunt for Grievous Blow or just go plain Aphro attack

[drowsy torrent]

hm okay. any suggestions for specials / casts?

[atomic plaza]

what are the best nocturnal arms

and aspects for them

[lost shell]

i do

[lusty heron]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

[lost shell]

i like everything tbh, just didnt play with the mech very much

[atomic plaza]

thanks

[bleak night]

just got back sry

[atomic plaza]

that probably needs to be pinned or something less people asking that question

[bleak night]

Demeter usually is the best for cast because of the general safety it provides. Tap once and it freezes (stuns) everything around you

[bleak night]

Ares on Attack and hunt for Grievous Blow.

Zeus for Special so you can tag with Blitz and pop whenever
Zeus' Static Shock is priority over Special if it shows up.

Hephaestus for Tough Gain, Smithy Rush or Anvil Ring + any defensive boon. (You get only one of Tough Gain, Smithy Rush or Anvil Ring, mostly Anvil Ring, because you want to be eligible for the Zeus-Hephaestus Duo, which needs Static Shock)

Aphrodite or Demeter as 4th god for defensives and extra effects (Weak or Freeze)

[lost shell]

nice

im not familiar with the names bc i play in another language

but im going to google it

[bleak night]

ah, Grievous Blow is % chance to do 2x the damage on targets with Wound (the Ares debuff)

Static Shock is priming 50 of your mana to do chain lightning per attack

the 3 Hephaestus boons I mentioned are the Cast, the Sprint and the MP Regen

[primal phoenix]

I can't play with the silver skull. Beat the game once already with it but it felt... I don't know, off. Do you have some tips about boons that are good with it ?

[bleak night]

Which aspect we talkin about

[primal phoenix]

Any of the three would be good, I'm not picky haha. Just trying to ease into that weapon

[bleak night]

Medea is one of the strongest and most fun weapons to play, I suggest getting into it

Do you know the gameplay loop by any chance ?

[proven citrus]

imo the skull aspects are the most different from each other out of any weapon’s

[bleak night]

true, yeah

[bleak night]

wait nvm that's Torch no ?

they're all so different that the Omega Attacks all have unique properties

and you're meant to play around them

I have a gameplay loop vid of Medea if you wanna see how it's played

[primal phoenix]

"Equiping" the attack then going boom on the enemies, for Medea ?

[bleak night]

pretty much, yeah. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1343082412476858419/Medealoop.mp4?ex=67bbfa78&is=67baa8f8&hm=2ac9f68507758ca1b9fd79e7a09627f2cd0662821450441df299b091b7e77a9e&

[steel sequoia]

||yet to discover what this does https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1343226527956865034/20250223111643_1.jpg?ex=67bc80b0&is=67bb2f30&hm=3c854308c6c275d8139f4b0b48f8559367bc1ee7a86732ce380be9ab775009f9&||

[bleak night]

Zeus keepsake start so you can get Zeus Special asap, then hunt for Ares/Aphrodite/Hera for your Attack. From there, you can go fully defensive and secondary boons. Hephaestus is great for armour and invuln, Demeter is great for Arctic Ring Freeze support. You do not need mana at all on this aspect, so you can just ignore any MP Tonicks and prime your entire bar out

[bleak night]

salute the Oath and it rerolls your current seed

example: it has a selene start? Hit Give up, salute the Oath, new seed.

It's also super useful for speedrunners because they can just hit Give Up instead of dying and then walking all the way back

[primal phoenix]

Okay thanks alot, I'll try that right away. You seem to help a lot of players that's great, cheers !

[bleak night]

I'm just enjoying the update

[primal phoenix]

The update is grrrreat

[bleak night]

I'm doing meme runs. I just afk killed Typhon earlier

[primal phoenix]

I've said it countless time to friends but I don't recall ever playing an early access this generous in content, just love to see it

[primal phoenix]

Lmao with what ? Infinite burn duo ?

[pine ridge]

silly question: can you backstab Typhon?

[bleak night]

skip to 4:21 for my build https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQBJWrbnEgA

[bleak night]

just the tongue sadly. It's definitely annoying

[pine ridge]

oof!!

[primal phoenix]

LMAO that build is just disrespectful

[primal phoenix]

That sucks cause the backstabbing daggers is my favorite weapon for now

[paper socket]

I think it changes the seed

[ebon ledge]

i ve already unlocked ares and did a run with mostly boons from him but after that i made like 4 more runs and he didnt appear any time is that normal or am i just unlucky?? i couldnt even give him nectar so i dont even have his keepsake

[steel sequoia]

lmao this is so funny came on

[smoky heron]

What is the easiest build if i dont have black coat or ares unlocked?

[steel sequoia]

which god did you started mynt?

[bleak night]

Aphro

[lost shell]

ok! ty. any build for the skull and the mech?

[bleak night]

I found Hera, Heph and Hestia in Ephyra then forced Zeus with keepsake in Thessaly, Apollo with keepsake in Olympus

[bleak night]

what do you have unlocked ?

[bleak night]

which aspects do you play. Builds vary

[lost shell]

recommend me. but i heard ppl saying nyx is the best

[native dove]

2040 XD

[bleak night]

yeah mb I should have turned on Grit 3 so I'd have taken more

[bleak night]

Mel Coat is considered the best

[native dove]

trueeee

[bleak night]

the movement and attack speed on it just feels so nice

[smoky heron]

@bleak night all weapons except black coat, all keepsakes except dionysus ares and Athena, and all pets except hecuba and the new one

[bleak night]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

[bleak night]

Which one are you most comfy with then, I'll make you a build that's good on it

[smoky heron]

Axe with aspect of Mel and thanathos blades with aspect of Mel and pan

[bleak night]

AXE GAMER

[bleak night]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1gmp85h/hades_ii_nocturnal_arms_guide_zorephet_the/ I have a guide. Since you have no Ares then it should be 1:1 save the Arcana

but generally, Hera or Aphro on Attack unless you want safety, then Apollo

[smoky heron]

Thanks!

[bleak night]

don't need anything on Special, Demeter on Cast for defensive/freeze or Zeus on Cast for offensive

Heph is good for support boons and defensives as he always is, etc

[torn whale]

is max fear possible?

[bleak night]

[torn whale]

I mean not in the technically possible way that it is in hades 1 where you have to use a specific build and get very lucky

[bleak night]

wait am I allowed to shameless plug

[torn whale]

i wont snitch

[bleak night]

whoopsies

either way, yeah. Super possible.

[wanton leaf]

Silly question: do boons that affect Attack and Special also affect Omega Attack and Special? Picked up the armor shred on Special hammer for the axe and hoping it also applies to the Omega

[bleak night]

nope it doesn't. Tbh it doesn't need to on Axe anyway. 35% per tick means it destroys 105% of armour with the base special since it hits 3x

Walk up to something with armour, special it, and watch the yellow bar turn red

but for your actual question; depends. If it says Attacks and Specials (plural), it works for both. If just singular, only the base versions.

[wanton leaf]

Oh interesting

[wind bough]

Mel or than axe?

[bleak night]

Than easier to handle

I prefer Mel but that's because I'm used to how slow it is

[wanton leaf]

Just got Mel Axe to IV and I'm tired of farming silver, so I'm running up for Feathers to juice up Strength

[north granite]

What duo is good for Ares-Axe?

[wind bough]

I usually use it in case of getting some whirlwind build, but is it actually worse?

[bleak night]

What is? Whirlwind builds?

[wind bough]

The aspect, over base mel

[bleak night]

Heinous Affront isn't bad but Axe in general doesn't really care for Duos. If you really want something good from Ares, get Grievous Blow and Profuse Bleeding

[bleak night]

Than is better for most people because the attack speed makes it easier to handle

It's just your style, really. Speed vs Power

[uneven palm]

If it says attack or special singular, it doesn’t affect Omegas. Attacks/Specials plural it affects both

Like Huntress doesn’t do anything for Omegas. But all core attack boons will work on regulars and Omegas

[velvet pelican]

i have an emotional attachment to thanatos axe so in my runs i simply decide the boon will work

[uneven palm]

Tbh Thanatos can win with literally anything on attack

[velvet pelican]

if i make sure my health is high enough and i get enough goodies for my attack i will just spinspinspin and oh look the room is empty.

[magic moss]

than can win with nothing on attack

[velvet pelican]

it’s just so fast… and i’m just spinning..

[primal phoenix]

Garen player

[bleak night]

JUSTICE

[wanton leaf]

So Axe you just want high damage multipliers?

Hera, Apollo, Aphrodite, etc?

[magic moss]

hestia attack is best frfr

[magic moss]

yes

[bleak night]

Ares also works because you want his secondary boons badly

[brave lynx]

Ares and his drug opop

[wanton leaf]

Need to get him opened up first for that

[bleak night]

okay yeah fair. Just do Aphro imo if you're trying for a first clear because she also comes with Weak as a great effect to put on your Gain, since it's an aura effect. Allows you to just take 3 other gods that you think will help.

which imo are Hephaestus, Demeter and perhaps Zeus

4th one is flexible, Apollo can be good as well with Daze and Extra Dose

[neat lion]

Just melted typhon with aspect of pan, Poseidon special, Hestia duo, Hestia infusion and special fireball with a few demeter casts. I think my special Omega was like 60 mana cost

What else is OP right now?

[leaden zephyr]

just wanted to say that @bleak night you are doing god's work, thx a lot for all your knowledge

[bleak night]

ty

[bleak night]

Medea ig

[neat pier]

Does anyone have that video guide to Prometheus' movements?

[bleak night]

@uneven palm link your vid pls

[bleak night]

found it #h2-builds-and-combat message

[thin cloud]

Are judgement builds worth running? I feel like you can just have all the cards it gives by the end boss as just a regular build with max grasp

[neat pier]

Ohh thank you very much

[uneven palm]

https://youtu.be/vr3VfMbkqmo?si=BzRbD6FfVRHLueYm

[neat pier]

Thank you very much too

[bleak night]

not usually, no. You can just run the standard 30 grasp with rerolls and stuff to get your build running sooner

[uneven palm]

I added a comment yesterday there breaking down the Warsong changes

[thin cloud]

It can be a fun challenge run though

[bleak night]

It is for sure, yeah.

[steel sequoia]

what annoying patterns jeez

[thin cloud]

Anyone got any fun/unique arcana/trinket builds for my other 3 arcana sets?

[bleak night]

what's your usual

[thin cloud]

Hold on I’ll show in a sec, usually I run a max rerolls build, or my max rarity/duo blessings build, but I was thinking something with silken sash could be interesting

[bleak night]

ah, that's the standard arcana stuff then np. I do max rerolls and stuff as well. Do you run Excellence btw? The 5 cost rarity one. It's pretty bad ngl

like, blue-rarity boons aren't that great for the most part

that you sacrifice 1/6th of your Grasp just for it

[thin cloud]

I do, but only as a conduit to get my full row activated

[bleak night]

imo deactivate it and you can use the 5 to reactivate Divinity somewhere else. Columns are usually better than rows for that

[thin cloud]

Without losing certain other 0 cost cards

I’ll show my exact build when I get on in a bit

[bleak night]

usually column 1 or column 2 is filled so it keeps Divinity on

[formal pulsar]

question, is freezer burn supposed to stop you from applying scroch till the freeze effect wears off? because it takes forever if you also have cold storage

[magic moss]

the application of the freeze curse procs freezer burn, so cold storage makes the freeze curse duration longer, meaning it takes longer before you can apply it again. It shouldn't stop you from stacking more scorch during that time thought

[formal pulsar]

it currently stops scorch till the freeze effect wears (not the curse just the effect)

I will try to capture it

[karmic gust]

is there no way to have the time slow on omega moves anymore??

[uneven palm]

Eternity card

[karmic gust]

ah ok thank you

damn it costs 3 oof

[formal pulsar]

and it doesnt work on guardians

[karmic gust]

...

why ;-;

[formal pulsar]

that's what i mean with the freezer burn thing, look here: https://streamable.com/pjitc6

I used ponymenu to quickly show it off but it happened in my game before installing any mods

scorch application is disabled till the freeze effect (not the curse) wears off

[fickle glade]

sadge it works well last patch

[stable lichen]

https://imgur.com/a/YGa21cY

average grievous blow run

[elder spoke]

Is Momus better than Circe for the staff? I've seen stuff saying that Momus staff is good but that +120% and mana from serenity feels good

[stable lichen]

momus is great, its basically 3 omegas for the price of 1

[inner raft]

I hope this is the right place to put this. I've been doing surface runs for the last 6ish runs and every time I'm forced to take double god room at least once on the boats. Is that seen on route down as well? I'm really hoping this is a glitch. I really don't like these rooms I didn't take them much in hades 1 but it seems like they don't appear as a choice here anymore.

[stable lichen]

oh yeah thessaly is annoying because there's always 1 path out and you can get unlucky with minibosses and trials sometimes

[elder spoke]

I'll give it (more) of a try then, haven't used it in a while. Thank :>

[stable lichen]

i like cycling through the omegas with death for momus

[willow phoenix]

I like mel staff the most tbh lol

[stable lichen]

i like momus because i like snakes

[willow phoenix]

If you get any attack speed the channel becomes near instant

like the attack speed hammer

[stable lichen]

heroic winners circle mel staff omega cast spam

[willow phoenix]

omega attack spam is great too with dem dmg buff, apollo leg possibly, works great with ares too for burst

[stable lichen]

why demeter attack instead of something like apollo/hera and then weed killer

[willow phoenix]

I meant weed killer

For attack apollo is probably the best just for apollo leg

Although Ares with grievous blow can do some fun numbers

[stable lichen]

and then get something like the double attack hammer for 7 omega attacks

[stable lichen]

honestly this is why i like momus, i can just spam so many omegas

[willow phoenix]

how does the double attack hammer even work with apollo leg lol

[stable lichen]

wait thats momus mb idk why i randomly confused it

[willow phoenix]

Momus is fun with the ares blade rifts

[stable lichen]

for momus apollo legendary gives you +1 to your omega attack for 2 at the start +2 more for the snakes

but the hammer doubles all your strikes so you get 2 attacks for the 3 bursts

combined, you get 7 omega attacks in 1 channel for momus which is hilarious

[willow phoenix]

Apollo leg with the hammer should produce like 3 o attack right?

[stable lichen]

presumably

[willow phoenix]

If it was 4 it'd be funny

[amber dagger]

what weapon should i build mr ares on

[stable lichen]

bascially anything lol, grievous blow is just so good

since when did eris do other moves than her basic straight shoot in her last stand

[amber dagger]

ima run it with raki and than

[willow phoenix]

If she does it enough she'll basically quit her fly and rapid shooting mode

[thick knoll]

doing a aspect of persephone build got cast zeus and special zeus but im thinking any good duo i should get?

[willow phoenix]

King's ransom for more zeus

Other than that, probably demeter for hail storm

ah but you have zeus cast, not demeter cast, might not be that worth then

[thick knoll]

how is the duo with ares?

[willow phoenix]

ares is good for burst, you apply wound you deal divine vengeance. But I don't think putting ares on attack would feel that good to the gameplay loop

I guess you can transition into spamming o attack with ares attack

[thick knoll]

then i use hera and see how it goes

[willow phoenix]

try getting arc flash for better blitz with your special, should be good I think

[thick knoll]

will do

how does randsom work though

is it only once or do you keep levellling if you pickup a hera boon after

[willow phoenix]

only once

You delete all your hera boons on pickup and gain levels for all of your zeus boons at pickup

[thick knoll]

ok thx

[lofty lintel]

Pls how in hades do i clear trial of blood. Oh my gods it's got me ripping my hair out in frustration

[willow phoenix]

is this the antler one?

dunno what can I say other than don't get hit lol. There's no timer right, so just play around that. You can play with artemis parry and the special for range

With antler you have so much damage most enemies just die

[lofty lintel]

I haven't fully ranked up my antler yet

[torn thicket]

Hello

[magic moss]

hi

[willow phoenix]

Then play it safe with special, I just did it and got aphro legendary pretty early with poseidon on special too. Both are pretty good for kiting

Once you get to Eris it should be easy since you have lovers and that artemis is very easy to use vs eris

[thick knoll]

anybody a good idea for a aspect of moros run with ares on attack?

[gaunt jetty]

take good boons

[willow phoenix]

Probably just zeus on special

Oh cut above can be great too

so take heph and apollo for the sword drop duos

[thin cloud]

Was gonna send a screenshot, forgot I cant

[steel sequoia]

man its too heaty in brasil i cant play i cant even hold my controller

[thick knoll]

while im at it what are good hammers for the aspect?

[thin cloud]

Is it better to use up rerolls early in a run to shape your build early, or to save them for when you get nothing but poor options

[willow phoenix]

Early but save like 1 or 2 just in case imo

1 or 2 good boons early can carry you far

[thick knoll]

rising coil or inverted spark?

[willow phoenix]

The o special ones outside of whirling coil

Don't pick whirling coil, it will shorten your o spec duration

Any attack damage related one is also good

[thick knoll]

really

didnt know thes special durations shorted

was thinking of picking that seeing it does more damage and becomes bigger but then i pass on it

did get the one that gives a 3rd one already

[willow phoenix]

Isn't that a different one? I'm talking about the faster o special

Might have remembered the name wrong lemme check

[thick knoll]

yeah mean those
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1237413291119083550/1343298998689071154/image.png?ex=67bcc42e&is=67bb72ae&hm=ad0c1a7584a119c986cdad931f8842fb8c8906d5749296213bb7086f79b9b63f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1500&height=993

[thin cloud]

I was thinking a silk sash based build with hephaestus would be good, any thoughts on what to use with it, should I keep silk sash all game?

[willow phoenix]

Rising and melting is okay, if you put zeus on special rising won't matter that much though

Inverted is useless on moros

[thick knoll]

ok

i have triple helix which i was happy with

seeing omega gets 3 flames with it

[willow phoenix]

Yea triple helix is good

Just don't get whirling coil lol

[quick crescent]

i've been thinking this myself and if it's an underworld run you should definitely be seeking out arachne

[thin cloud]

its surface sadly

idk how to exactly look for her

[quick crescent]

armor seems to have certain diminishing returns as compared to health but if you can get a nice armor bonus from heph early on and an arachne dress you might be able to squeeze the benefits past hec if you can keep your armor and put on the silken sash

[magic moss]

its fine if the armor does something (aka arachne dress). Otherwise, I would use something else once you run low on armor

[quick crescent]

i want to try and get the azure dress and cardio gain and make a "when magic is used" effect build that has crazy magic output and regen

[quick crescent]

surface based armor run would have more difficulty getting significant use, beyond keeping your health bar nice and fresh for eris/prometheus

i would try to get dodge chance along with the armor and pour some damage avoidance in with damage mitigation

there is an icarus gift that gives you a hefty amount of armor and makes it explode when you lose it

if you're confident that you can save the armor till a boss it could possibly be a good way to take a nice big chunk off of em

[thin cloud]

so just keep the sash on for the whole run? Beyond maybe an initial usage of the adamant shard to get heph blessings

[quick crescent]

i would probably use the shard to get trusty shield first, aim for heavy metal if the rng allows, buy up armor in shops and switch to silken sash after polyphemus

try to get in aphrodite for wispy wiles (save your armor via dodge chance) and love handles if you can manage it

the biggest problem is that with a surface run the best you get out of minmaxing armor is some extra health padding

which is worth it on its own to a certain extent, but armor doesn't come back with death defiances

[leaden zephyr]

could someone give me any broken build except Pan/Medea please ?

[quick crescent]

id center any armor build around dodge chance and a positive arachne dress effect, but that limits you to underworld runs

[sage ridge]

is there like a tier list of the weapons ppl somewhat agree on?

[quick crescent]

moros with blitz flourish, glamour gain and romantic spark is kinda nasty in my opinion

[leaden zephyr]

i was going to correct and say excepet torch builds haha

[quick crescent]

i had a crazy torches run recently using that strat, the circling specials take massive advantage of romantic spark

you can take dem sprint with the same build and go for air quality

[leaden zephyr]

wait, blitz flourish ? what is that ?

[quick crescent]

zeus special

[leaden zephyr]

ah yeah, I did lots of runs with torch and Zeus special, its nuts

[willow phoenix]

Try stacking dodge and damage resistance with hermes, aphro, hestia, apollo, heph, gale then going for warm breeze. If you can slip in brave face with hera it'd be better

I tried this and face tanked Prom and actually came out with more health lol

[quick crescent]

aspect of momus+ golden rule + night bloom + sun worshipper + ecstatic obsession is a stupidly fun minion build

[willow phoenix]

I think I got to 55% dodge chance before daze. So functionally immortal with warm breeze

[quick crescent]

repeating omega strikes + two suped up enemies + a third afflicted with charm + a free damage bonus that grows with currency = tons of battlefield control with very respectable damage output

plus apollo and hera being required for the duo anyway, getting engagement ring with super nova is probably the best extant way to apply hitch to foes

[twin bolt]

for xynth you can try going ares legendary with aphro+ ares duo. xynth omega can block jaw strike from last boss of surface

[leaden zephyr]

@quick crescent never thought of a minion build haha, i automatically skip everything thats helene

[quick crescent]

selene hexes can be really fun to build around but they require a lot of investment lol

[willow phoenix]

You need to try maxing lunar ray, you're missing out

[quick crescent]

oh god i had a full moon lunar ray recently, i didn't even build it all the way up and it was dropping 2,000 beams into bosses

ray with hitch on attack is a disgusting room cleaner

[leaden zephyr]

ohhhh that sounds exciting

yeah im sure i am missing out with helene but it looks like such a deep investment, one day maybe

what would you put on attack and special with coat ?

[quick crescent]

but yeah night bloom is actually a pretty fun hex to use, it's still not my favorite (total eclipse and lunar ray take that spot) but it's surprisingly good when you build into it

[twin bolt]

ares on attack, special something for second curse for genesis

[quick crescent]

after some consideration i think i favor hexes over calls

[leaden zephyr]

makes sense with the new ares boon, thanks

[twin bolt]

What is good build for persephony skull on surface?

[quick crescent]

calls are great instant gratification super ults but building up a crazy wicked hex over time adds an awesome mechanical wrinkle

[lofty lintel]

Alright I'll try. I seem to suck at not getting hit 😢

[quick crescent]

i put hera on special, since your omega special has a wider range to work with

getting hitch on tons of foes feels great

the skull encourages up close bombardment so aphrodite slots in nice on attack- you can put her on cast too for the aspect's native omega special damage boost

beyond that whoever slots in usually does so nicely, chase duos if you want but the skull has some great kick with just its base power and some daedalus hammers

[neat pier]

What are good Charon builds to do in the surface? I'm thinking of mixing Aphro special with Apollo cast

[deep fog]

Is Ares' infusion (rallying cry) just another origination but for boon effects?

[willow phoenix]

Try dem cast, ares special, go for ares dem duo, dem local climate, ares blade rift, apollo gain

[neat pier]

Sorry, didn't get to Ares yet

[formal pulsar]

is charon now fixed with omega speed ups? it used to only work with the droplet and the hammer

[willow phoenix]

It boosts every damaging effect from olympians, so something like blitz or blast would get buffed. It does not boost the general damage from you, only from olympian specific damage sources

[willow phoenix]

Ok then change ares to zeus lol for special and zeus dem duo if possible. Poseidon for omega cast, apollo gain

[neat pier]

Gotcha ty

[vast haven]

Circe's keepsake, the pig figurine, doesn't awaken arcanas with 0 grasp? I ask because i purposley did a build with the keepsake at max level, where it says it will awake a level 3 arcana, and the only level 3 arcana i had inactive was the queen and judgment and it didn't awake neither of them. Instead it awake another arcana which is level 2 and upgraded into level 3. Like wtf just happend???

[bleak night]

Not quite

Sorceress still doesn't work on it and stuff, but Blood Drops somehow do lmao

[polar chasm]

What is the best familiar for the surface?

[trail python]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/513935111729709080/1343325543751487518/image.png?ex=67bcdce7&is=67bb8b67&hm=e42cfd2290fe563a3739938ea4707c18d31c4a6b4023d7dafceddf06bbd778ed&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1920&height=672

is the 10% worth it? my freeze is my cast

[cursive oyster]

hail storm 100%

appetite is awful

[trail python]

oh, thats not too bad then! im at chronos though so i wont be able to get any more hp

[cursive oyster]

in the bottom 5 duos (i can’t remember the other bad ones right now)

[trail python]

i have all 3 of my DD left so maybe i can greed w the duo

[twin bolt]

im done all 6 weapons surface done all with ares

[trail python]

my fear isnt too bad rn

[twin bolt]

raki. Why? Crit

but gale is great

[spare kite]

I take gale cuz I take antler for typhon

[twin bolt]

you madlad

[spare kite]

easier than handling his bullet hell

just phase him instantly

[neat pier]

Is there a way to recharge death defiance at the summit? The minibosses are harder than Chronos

[cursive oyster]

only at the endshop

[neat pier]

Rip I see

Oh, it works there too?

Cool

Which seems to be most if not all times? At least its an improvement over Hades 1 being possible to do it after the 3rd boss

[surreal hazel]

So it turns out Heinous Affront does not trigger Tough Gain

alas, for it would have been hilarious

[inland bobcat]

Going to try Warsong after a bit of a break any fun new builds I should try I mostly lean towards Moros and Persephone

[uneven palm]

Moros get Cut Above from Ares, cores from Apollo and Heph, and look for their duos

[thick knoll]

i never really use them but picked knifes this time

and i think i just had my easiest run ever in this game

build was completely busted

https://youtu.be/nvv32QKUIx0

[surreal hazel]

It's now apparent that there's not much you can do to speed up the torches... and then there's blood drops

and mel very rapidly turns into some Jojo mudamudamudamudamuda nonsense when you get the blood flowing

[wide flicker]

Can the Crystalline Figured be gamed a little? That is, upgrade all your favorite cards to Epic, and then keep one other one at Epic, so that THAT one is always the one that gets used? Basically playing with 35 Arcana?

[shadow plinth]

does the cast gust damage from artic gale scale with cast damage buffs?

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1334746789882105900/1343359955339706378/image.png?ex=67bcfcf3&is=67bbab73&hm=5aed14045fc2d50a4ec6daf6b007e7f7504925f611be4b080c341fe47775981c& idiot proof plan

[uneven python]

Question: Can judgement turn on cards that then enable the condition for other cards to turn on mid run?

[spare kite]

no

[uneven python]

So for example, if Judgement turns on Enchantress, Boatman, and Champions, would The Fates activate?

[uneven python]

The text for awakening even states "auto-activate"

[cursive oyster]

the figurine chooses a random card and then sets it to the keepsake level so

no

[wide flicker]

oh, i see. Womp womp. Though, the wording is not quite clear on it. Henc why i thought you could trick it

[cursive oyster]

t’would be funny but

[wide flicker]

i sometimes wonder, if this game should just have you generate mana via basic attacks, then spend them on Omega moves. Rather than just grab one mana boon, and be set to use Omega moves, if they even fit your build

[spare kite]

the game almost made me throw the run lmao

[spare kite]

once you are in the run that no longer matters

you can't get cards taken away either for example

[coarse wraith]

this is probably asked a lot, but what weapon and aspect would you pick for surface 32 fear? And what would the strategy be?

[uneven palm]

Pan blades, Poseidon special. Add ares for their duo and stack up as much hp and defensive boons (Athena, Heph, Demeter) as possible

[coarse wraith]

ty, I'll try that

[bleak night]

not called Seer anymore lol, they change the names too much

[rain hazel]

Patch notes never really make sense to me due to how dense they are, is there a good breakdown of whats changed somewhere?

[mystic rock]

is it just me or is that arcana that gives more damage when enemies have 2x curses hard to use when you're new to the game? I've done like 12 runs or something, I think I need more rerolls to pull that off?

I made it to chronos a couple times already so I think I'm doing okay, just wondering if that card is more trouble than it's worth until I can unlock more than one reroll 😛

[waxen garden]

it's equivalent to privileged status in the first game, definitely requires a bit more planning around which boons to take

I can't imagine myself ever taking Mortal Gain, when would it be good?

[mystic rock]

fair enough. just seems hard to pull off without more rerolls hmm

[waxen garden]

but the primed health doesn't return in the next encounter?

I mean if you lose health due to the priming the damage stays

[potent grotto]

Oh man I think I found a new favorite weapon, the Black Coat is so fun

[wispy flax]

Guys I accidentally made a super tank immortal spinning destruction machine build and first tried typhon

[potent grotto]

I'm still working on Prometheus 😭

[waxen garden]

hmm sounds bad for heavy mana builds though

[potent grotto]

I think I have a harder time with Prometheus than I do with Typhon honestly

[wispy flax]

Can share my build if you want. He was super easy

[potent grotto]

Please 😭

Prometheus consistently ruins me

[wispy flax]

i can't send images

[potent grotto]

I think you can send in another channel and forward it? Either that or send it in like a pastebin or something

Not exactly that but that kind of idea, like an imgur link

[wispy flax]

add me fren

[potent grotto]

Or that

[waxen garden]

hmm I disagree: it sounds like Mortal Gain would be a much better pick if you have a well-upgraded Moon Water hex as well

[spare kite]

blood spree is mostly funny for antler

if you can tank the attack ofc lol

[silent crow]

prime max hp is probably horrible for DD's

[waxen garden]

I think you're being too general here, e.g. I had a (what I thought was ridiculous) Pan build last night with explosive intent, cut above, splash fount etc. and it was a lot of fun but absurdly high on mana

so I was absolutely emptying my mana bar multiple times at the end

but I didn't?

[spare kite]

Can always go back to the ol' reliable born hain if that happens

[autumn nymph]

fine line on torches is funny af for how quick it burns your magick

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1330432637546008597/1343385009452748821/image.png?ex=67bd1449&is=67bbc2c9&hm=5b6998aa8e3acd934b506d51619739c7bf4c749581b3dc8cd8397cd6c5ad4149& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217110523091357747/1343152703890788435/image.png?ex=67bce4af&is=67bb932f&hm=3b35acd36ca133c44bbb5d1e0e4684c1094697f948f0f1788ac6e16d7590d427&

[silent crow]

i thought that was a gardevoir

[spare kite]

Just a bit of dmg taken

[bleak night]

it's Luke's work, but I guess the arm is the indicator it's Mel

[silent crow]

and the orange dress

[spare kite]

Warm breeze is so fun

[loud moat]

I agree. It’s a nice positive feedback to dodging and such. And it’s thematic with the new hot pot from Hestia.

I’m curious how the different dodge and daze mechanics interact mathematically.

Is it possible right now to get 100%?

I’m also curious about Hermes new boon that raises percent chance by an amount (like 40). I know it doesn’t effect daze or dodge, but what other boons does it work well with?

Double strike
A ton of Ares Boons.
Sea Star from Poseidon?

[spare kite]

Check its entry in the boon list

It lists everything it works with (pre requisites)

Of note it works with crit stuff

[faint oyster]

I was wondering about boons like Apollo's "Self-Healing" and Athena's "Defensive Posture", are they affected by the Ares+Zeus duo boon?

[midnight pulsar]

yes

[faint oyster]

ooh nice

[spare kite]

Self healing wouldn't cuz you don't have a number to heal off

[potent grotto]

Is it better to have the death defiances or to use Strength?

I currently have Strength at 40% damage reduction

[magic moss]

they're equal in power imo post patch so whatever you're more comfortable with

[neat lion]

I think I'm playing medea wrong it doesn't seem that much better than a stonked Pan

[potent grotto]

Alright

I think I like death defiances just a little bit more but the extra damage output from Strength is really nice

I'm tempted to run an arcana build that uses both if I can

And have Strength be a last resort kinda thing

I just don't know what I'd ditch for it

I need something good for Olympus because I get completely destroyed going up to Olympus

I think I have come to like the black coat more than the staff but the staff is still in second place

Torn between the sister blades and the axe for third

And then skull and torches are either tied for last or skull above torches

I don't like the torches lol

[faint oyster]

Oh, that's a bummer, but that's fair. It doesn't seem like it's possible to get free healing like that during a Strength run XD

So what I'm getting is... "Yes, but no."

[potent grotto]

Gotcha okay

May give them a try in there but I really don't like the torches

I think the black coat may be booting out the staff for my favorite weapon

The black coat is really really fun

I don't know what it is about it but it feels like a much more fun twin fists from H1

Like the twin fists walked so the black coat could run or something

[faint oyster]

I like how faster omega casts are now with Mel Staff + Sorceress Arcana + a ton of Hermes boons.

they're almost instant now

wait, so Blood Drops doesn't just increase your attack power?

[autumn nymph]

they increase speed and strike speed

[inland bobcat]

Hermes has a dash spam boon now omg! Hades 1 is so back

[autumn nymph]

its very very fun if you can manage to get it with divine dash

[formal dome]

Which vows for 20F staff surface ? Arcana setup ? Which staff ? Which pet ? Keepsake order ? Which gods to pick (Attack, Special, Cast, Sprint, Gain and others complementary boons) ?

[potent grotto]

Yeah so you get me

I tried the torches once and immediately knew they were my least favorite I didn't care what the other weapons were

Nothing could be as bad as the torches for me

[faint oyster]

ah

[waxen garden]

rush delivery would go so hard with blood drops

[junior trail]

does wounds include cast or sprint?

[potent grotto]

I would literally rather even use the bow from Hades 1 over the torches

[waxen garden]

the hades 1 bow was amazing though

[potent grotto]

I didn't like it much

[waxen garden]

chiron, hera, and rama are all excellent

[lusty heron]

I miss old eos

[waxen garden]

mel and moros torches are good too

[lusty heron]

That was so fun

[potent grotto]

Like I would rather use either the bow or adamant rail from H1 over the H2 torches

[waxen garden]

haha the rail is another great weapon

[potent grotto]

Really that's so weird because I didn't like either

[waxen garden]

eris and hestia rail are both amazing

i have been replaying hades 1

[potent grotto]

My favorites in H1 were Stygius and Varatha

Aegis being after them as my next favorite

[waxen garden]

high confidence + fiery presence hestia sniper is some of the most fun i have had

[potent grotto]

Poseidon boons shoving everybody around with Stygius was really fun and also really effective

Stygius also had probably my favorite enchantment in the vampirism one

[waxen garden]

oh yeah cursed slash is how i got my first ever clear when i played it the first time

[potent grotto]

My fastest Hades 1 run was insane like the circumstances of it. So I have H1 on Switch and I got my fastest run in handheld mode playing on an airplane

[waxen garden]

hell yeah

[potent grotto]

Like not even using my pro controller or anything

Just in handheld mode on the airplane and casually got my fastest run on that flight

[midnight pulsar]

Can I ask why you think so? I think Strength is still better

[formal dome]

Which vows for 20F staff surface ? Arcana setup ? Which staff ? Which pet ? Keepsake order ? Which gods to pick (Attack, Special, Cast, Sprint, Gain and others complementary boons) ?

[midnight pulsar]

[bleak night]

Strength still better at lower fear levels, but at the most difficult stuff atm which is Surface high fear, DDs are better by a wide margin because no healing to make Strength's other best bonus usable

you can always refresh DDs

[bleak night]

What's your current Fear setup? I can craft from there. For Staff, just do Momus with Frinos for the HP and run Zeus keepsake first to grab for Special just to Blitz tag enemies. Put Hera or Ares on your Attack and maybe Demeter or Zeus on Cast depending on if you want support or offense. For Gain, Hera works

[formal dome]

Did 32F surface and underworld, 0F now since I did everything apart that 20F surface challenge, staff is my less used weapon and I'm rusted a bit ...

[bleak night]

are you comfortable with a 28 min timer for the whole run? making a fear setup rn

7min/area

[formal dome]

Not fan of timer actually, I did a few runs with one level that said, I like to take my time.

[bleak night]

36 mins alright then ?

36 for a run when you're trying to win is probs not the worst

[potent grotto]

I've not done anything higher than 8 fear yet and that was only for underworld so what should I use based on that?

[bleak night]

Strength is better for now

Death Defiances are only really preferable over Strength in like 40F+ Surface

[potent grotto]

Gotcha okay

[formal dome]

Got 6 wins on surface for now, one a bit over 36 minutes with skulls (2nd less used weapon) so maybe better without timer, average around 24-30minutes per run however.

[potent grotto]

Well that'll have to continue another time with me going up to Olympus because I gotta get back to work and school and stuff tomorrow 😭

But will be good to know for when I try again going up there

Hopefully I can get past Prometheus and Typhon whenever that time is, those two have been giving me problems

[wraith coral]

Am i not understanding how blood spree works with the torches? I am at a low hp and not healing with the attack nor specials

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1343431322236096583/image.png?ex=67bd3f6a&is=67bbedea&hm=938cb317c49f29dcf0d2d889803ef5c5d89ccb3fca64e8b483caa6f65d311671&

I don't recommend increasing Surface gold costs because you can easily overload on boons and HP by just spamming the Hermes shrine shops

[bleak night]

are you under 40HP ? It only does so when you're under

[wraith coral]

Ohhhh i think i see the issue. The line for 40hp is not accuratly representing 40hp

[formal dome]

@bleak night what do you would pick to remove the timer ?

[bleak night]

Is the 36 minute timer that bad...?

Probs just do enemy HP since you're taking your time anyway

[formal dome]

Wouldn't be bad if the game stopped counter when a room is done and you do nothing, can't take a stretch break in peace, just an annoyance ...

[bleak night]

Press the pause button and it pauses the timer

Some people pause their runs for 10 mins and do something then come back and finish it, then still upload it lol

[formal dome]

Point is that anyone with a family get disturbed quite often and may forget to put on pause. It's something that dev could fix easily that said, in time shouldn't run when you don't move apart cutscenes obviously.

[bleak night]

Idk that feels like a specific issue

Plus you can just trash the run entirely if it's that dire anyway, people are more important

[formal dome]

Arcana for momus staff ? the update messed my setup, I think we had 6 presets, now on only 5 or I had a way to memorize the setups before ...

[analog ether]

Workshopping a build idea:

Would Scorch be a reasonably efficient way of proccing Blood Drops?

The wording of Profuse Bleeding is "take damage", not a damage threshold or when being hit by an attack.

And unless I am mistaken, Scorch deals damage at a consistent rate, regardless of how many stacks a target has on them.

[bleak night]

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Swap out Artificer for Lovers maybe

[formal dome]

Guess you're right, seem broken for heartrobs after that 😉

[bleak night]

[analog ether]

And again, unless I'm mistaken, slow weapons like the axe and maybe the coat would benefit more from attack speed buffs than fast weapons like the torches or blades?

So, on paper, a combo of Ares, Hestia and Aphrodite could be decent?

[formal dome]

Appollo, Aphrodite, Ares and Hestia seem your team for the win 😉

Grab a blood drop, make 3 heartrobs 😉

[analog ether]

Still not great, because profuse bleeding isn't guaranteed blood drops, it's a % chance per instance of damage.

[formal dome]

So let say 3 heartrobs per 10 seconds garranted for common boons ...

[analog ether]

Just was thinking about as something fun to try and experiment with

[formal dome]

However it change with rarity and levels and you grab a few pom upgrades during the run so it could raise up a bit.

But if you have hestia cast and damage boosts of ares, it might get broken.

[jaunty moat]

does whirling coil affect moros dps

[lucid root]

any tips for the coat? im struggling

[jaunty moat]

thats the one with with the increased omega special rotation speed btw

[willow phoenix]

It makes you need to recast o spec more since it reduces the duration

[jaunty moat]

bruh seriously

[willow phoenix]

Apparently the duration is counted with the numbers of rotation done lol

[glossy rivet]

Zeus on special or atk when using torches?

[jaunty moat]

special

[willow phoenix]

Special much better imo

[glossy rivet]

Arcblast only needs any omega damage to trigger right

[willow phoenix]

Blitz has internal cd so attack is too fast that it's kinda a waste

[bleak night]

Blitz on Special is almost always better because the damage is higher on Specials for every single god for some reason

[jaunty moat]

your flat damage is from your attack boons

moros special is about reapplying curses

[glossy rivet]

I thought hestia special has lower special, not anymore?

[jaunty moat]

and for the purposes of damage blitz is the best for that

[glossy rivet]

Aight ima try zeus spc and ares on atk

[willow phoenix]

Still same, more of a weird hestia mechanic lol

[glossy rivet]

Or should i still use apollo on moros atk?

[willow phoenix]

It's good, hera too, ares too

[jaunty moat]

i prefer any combo that applies origination using just atk and spec

[glossy rivet]

Ares wounds time

What weapon is good with hestia atk/special tho lul

[jaunty moat]

crickets chirping

[willow phoenix]

Daggers

[glossy rivet]

zamn

[willow phoenix]

If you get pyro technique scorch deals huge damage

Mel torch too tbh but zeus probably better

[glossy rivet]

I mean hestia atk and pos special for steam might be good right

[willow phoenix]

Steam doesn't work rn though

[granite sierra]

wait huh

[jaunty moat]

just stick with ares

[granite sierra]

wdym it i=doesnt work rn

[willow phoenix]

I think with hestia you either go full pyro technique for scorch dps, no pyro technique for freezer burn, or play fireball with wounds

[willow phoenix]

I did 3 runs with it and it doesn't appear

[glossy rivet]

Rip
Oh oh explosive ambush ares

[jaunty moat]

get cut above on ares

itll speed up your hex charge up way faster and has not-insignificant damage

[willow phoenix]

Cut above makes ares on torch very good, especially with the sword duos

[glossy rivet]

Cut above while using torch omega attacks fine?

[jaunty moat]

yes

better than fine

[willow phoenix]

You probably need coffin nail for it to go faster

[glossy rivet]

Is winner circle still good non cast builds

[willow phoenix]

Don't take phase shift with blitz and sword drop though, I find it tanking my damage as they get delayed

[willow phoenix]

Any cast that deals damage outside of storm ring benefits from it

So like a casual hera or ares cast would benefit from it a lot

Since you can just reuse them much faster

[glossy rivet]

Oh for applying curses then

[willow phoenix]

Hestia cast too sadly

[willow phoenix]

Yea and since those cast deals damage on activation. Heph cast for example would do all 3 damage much faster with winner circle

I really recommend trying out the new hera cast btw. Get some hitch buff boons and the cast goes crazy

[glossy rivet]

What weapon does cast built best? Momskull and momus?

But then both are based around omega gimmicks

[willow phoenix]

Charon

With winner's circle any weapon can do it tbh lol, but yeah Momus and Persephone both have bonuses with cast

[granite sierra]

ok im tired of getting rocked by surface run, are there any cheese/broken builds? specifically ones that are good for prometheus, i keep losing all my DD to him before i hit typhon. preferably for daggers/coat

[glossy rivet]

I mean with charon isnt the cast just there to make the special gooder

[glossy rivet]

Uhhh poseidon pan

[granite sierra]

is it seriously that easy

i havent even had poseidon show up in my runs yet

[glossy rivet]

Build around pan with pos special

Hits very hard

[granite sierra]

any duos i should be looking for?

or general supporting gods

[glossy rivet]

You want his legendary

[willow phoenix]

Poseidon pan is the most braindead op build currently lol

[granite sierra]

do my best, but i genuinely have not gotten a legendary in 14+ runs (despite doing my best to go for it)

[willow phoenix]

Demeter on cast makes everything easier

[glossy rivet]

Is winner circle on pan counterproductive

[willow phoenix]

Yes

[glossy rivet]

Damn cant pile braindead combos this time

[granite sierra]

for pan, is zeus or hestia better to aim the cast with

[willow phoenix]

I did a mel dagger run with hestia, apollo, aphro to stack up dodge chance. Got the apollo hestia duo and face tanked Prom

Came out with more health due to the heal lol. Warm breeze is very strong with dodge stacking

[willow phoenix]

Zeus is much faster but that depends if you can aim it, usually I don't even use range cast as demeter cast makes everything safe

[glossy rivet]

Whats ur atk/special boons with mel dagger

[willow phoenix]

Hestia attack

Now that I think of it it probably runs better on mel torch with hestia special since you don't need to attack to keep the scorch running for hot pot

[granite sierra]

im just bad at avoiding getting smacked when dropping the circle, so i always bring an aim with me. kb+m makes aiming zeus pretty easy

would ares attack be any good with pos special

[willow phoenix]

Yea with mouse it's much easier

[willow phoenix]

Yes the duo is good, but you won't be using it lol

[glossy rivet]

Wouldn't ares double splash be good with pospan?

[granite sierra]

does it hit a tick limit or something like with zeus in hades 1?

[willow phoenix]

You can put ares on any slot to get pos duo

[granite sierra]

attack gets wounds, which could be good for getting blood drops

[willow phoenix]

But you won't really be attacking with pan lol

[granite sierra]

you get the occasional poke in

[glossy rivet]

Is there like a replacement for prepatch night arcana rn

[willow phoenix]

It's basically moved to poseidon o cast lol

[glossy rivet]

Poseidoning time

[tropic saffron]

I just did a run with Mel torches and Poseidon on the attack. Does splash have an internal cooldown? It seems like I'm not getting the splash every hit.

[tame spindle]

blades build?

ive got a 1 fear blade clear as my highest 💀

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1170037301645164636/1343467468915740672/image.png?ex=67bd6115&is=67bc0f95&hm=2235629d766a134d5d0c98d95971d6092fbda4b0cc8b3b13a46896f848979df0&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1358&height=753 i dont think ive touched the weapon past like my first week

[tidal hinge]

Anyone know a good build to go for with aspect of persephone?

[tidal hinge]

Posiden is crazy on mel and pan, especially pan. posiden special, hestia cast, aphro or even ares on attack.. Pan in particular with this combo is one of the most broken builds in this game

[tame spindle]

ok bet

[jaunty moat]

Things to do with aspect of persephone! -

1. take off aspect of persephone

[tidal hinge]

the posiden / hestia duo is what you wanna go for which requires slippery slope first, but the new duo with Ares is also quite good

[jaunty moat]

jokes aside you need winners circle

like immediately

[grand token]

if chaos gives me 45% bonus attack dmg does it effect my omerga attacks too ?

[jaunty moat]

trying to build into cast damage w/o winner's circle is rough

[tame spindle]

is persephone bad now????

that was my first 40 clear noooo my goat </3

[tidal hinge]

i loveeee winners circle one of my fave additions to the game, makes sense why it would be vital here

should i be prioritizing the cast first or special? was gonna try blitz special but not sure how well that'll do

[jaunty moat]

honestly if you want to run zeus probably blitz on attack

o spec on skulls gives i frames yes but the damage is kinda eh

its just that new medea does what persephone wants to do but better

[tidal hinge]

I always hear madea is better i just have trouble getting used to the way the attack works? if that makes sense

[jaunty moat]

wdym

[tidal hinge]

well just the way you have to load the attacks throws me off a bit, have only tried using it once or twice though I just need to get used to it

[tame spindle]

its like the charge shield in hades 1, u just left click then right click to dash thru the enemy

[tidal hinge]

ahh yes beowulf, was always more of a hera bow kinda guy tbh but ill give madea a shot

[jaunty moat]

you just alternate l click r click spam

load only one, r click, repeat

[tropic saffron]

Since Persephone technically just increases your omega damage all throughout I tend to ignore the cast and special shenanigans and just do a plain Omega attack build. Load up on Apollo and Max magic and hope for the apollo legendary

Probably take zeus or hera gain since it's a very magick reliant build

[tame spindle]

5.30 hecate clear i almost died like 4 times i hate knives 😭

[bleak night]

[tropic saffron]

I tried to ask this before but nobody answered so imma ask again. Did they give splash an internal cooldown?

[analog ether]

I don't think so?

[tame spindle]

i remember ur 50f knives arc that made u leave the server 💀

[tropic saffron]

I did a Mel torch Omega attack Poseidon run and it looked like I wasn't getting every hit to splash

[jaunty moat]

which vows

[bleak night]

don't think so? Pan builds still do the same damage

[bleak night]

I'm just enjoying the game now, Jodie

[tame spindle]

i still dk the vow names but its 32f

[bleak night]

my recent build is getting some nice views rn, I should probs do more meme builds

[tropic saffron]

Maybe it works like every knife is a separate thing with pan but the torch omega attack is treated as a single thing so there's a splash cooldown?

I can't think of any other reason why I wouldn't be getting the splash on every hit

[bleak night]

Definitely not treated as a single thing throughout, otherwise the 15% Crit on Omega arcana would be the most broken thing on that weapon

[tropic saffron]

That's for DIFFERENT consecutive omegas tho

If my understanding of that card is still accurate

[bleak night]

Except you don't stop channeling the Omega Attack. If you whirlwind on Axe and it has the Crit combo on it, the entire 11 spin duration has the 15% crit chance, for example

[tropic saffron]

Yeah idk. Maybe not

I don't use that card super often except momus runs so I'm not super familiar with how it works

[bleak night]

not too sure either way, perhaps you can F10 it if the weird waves issue is consistent

[tropic saffron]

I'm just really confused as to why it would be like that

[tropic saffron]

Yeah I might do that

[void idol]

i haven't played in months, is aspect of pan with poseidon still relevant or is it mediocre now

[tropic saffron]

It's still busted

[void idol]

great to know

[tropic saffron]

Only thing different is they cut spiral knives (the best hammer to pair with it)

[void idol]

also how good is the black coat thing

[tropic saffron]

It's decent

Definitely needs some love but it's perfectly usable

Naysayers will say you can't get the nyx double attacks to hit the same enemy (you can but there's like no leniency, you have to have perfect spacing)

Unless the enemy is huge, then it's free

[void idol]

so kinda like the early torches

before the buff

[tropic saffron]

I don't remember what did they buff about the torches?

I thought they were kind of always good but people didn't realize that until later

[void idol]

everything in general

[tropic saffron]

Pretty sure moros has been the same since launch

Maybe I'm wrong though

[proud sparrow]

I am extraordinarily bad at video games but really love Hades ~ I was reading a Reddit post where people were expressing their disappointment in Typhon and feeling he was too easy...and that is just the exact opposite of my experience ~ any advice on dealing with enemies in the last area/final boss? I feel I can get to Olympus pretty easily but start breaking a sweat once I get there

[tropic saffron]

Honestly those people are just gamers that aren't able to acknowledge their skill. Summit is tough especially at a decent fear

[bleak night]

Ngl I'm kinda the opposite

I think Summit is easy but Thessaly and Olympus are super hard

[proud sparrow]

That's what I was thinking honestly. The person even said "I'm not especially good at games" and I feel they aren't giving themselves enough credit 😭

[proud sparrow]

I finally figured out how to get through a mini boss in the summit pretty easily actually but there are a couple that I'm still figuring out

[bleak night]

What're you strugglin with

[proud sparrow]

Olympus I just find tedious and some of the things we fight are easy while other aren't

[proud sparrow]

I think I am just needing to identify patterns a bit better? Im having a hard time dodging getting hit at the summit

[junior trail]

wait, they said rocket bombard is now innate but omega attack is still the current version?

[bleak night]

The basic enemies up there get caught in Cast and can then be dispatched. The two minibosses have patterns you can learn. The tail before the final boss is just a waiting game for the most part if you're melee

[tropic saffron]

It's innate to the normal attack

[junior trail]

aha

[tropic saffron]

Like what they did with hook knives

[tropic saffron]

Typhon is a decent bit harder if you're doing a melee centered build rather than ranged

[proud sparrow]

I literally JUST beat a run with the tail with minimal damage actually and that one I found a little annoying at first. I think for final boss I just gotta try a few more times. I haven't actually been able to make it to him too much because I just find Olympus more difficult

[proud sparrow]

This could def also be my issue because I favor the axe. I'll try a run with a different weapon.

[tropic saffron]

Funnily enough the first run where I beat him was with the axe lol

[bleak night]

Axe is the best weapon rn across all aspects. There are maybe 2 or 3 better aspects than the best Axe, but in general the weapon is the best

[proud sparrow]

I was surprised how much I like the axe because in most games I don't tend to like the bulky weapon. I favor the fists in the first Hades

[tropic saffron]

But by far the easiest runs I've beaten the surface with has been a Zeus torch build and an Apollo skull omega attack build

[proud sparrow]

Interesting. I'll have to keep an open mind with the torch and skull, they are actually the two I use the least

[bleak night]

Idk I think he's easier to fight in melee for me

He does the eye cannon thing less and just chinslams you more

[formal dome]

Update content done, still few issues here and there but the most worrying is that the game litterally sit on a meta since few updates, doesn't seem healthy ...

[bleak night]

What meta

[formal dome]

Athena dash, Hephaestus defensive boons, Strenght, ...

[bleak night]

DDs are better in the highest difficulties now and Athena Dash isn't that centralizing since I see more people take Righteous Pike or Stalwart Strength more

Heph defensives are good still tho, yeah

[proud sparrow]

(Thank yall! I'll try out some of the stuff you suggested!)

[bleak night]

Oh did you need a build for something ?

[proud sparrow]

No no I was just asking for general advice or just seeing what others had done and how they felt

[bleak night]

Ah, gotcha.

[formal dome]

Still it's over 50% people taking the same pet, weapon, keepsakes, boons, vows, arcana, ...

Guess they could change a few things to make the game have a randomizer and don't feel like you need rerolls at all costs, any jank build should be decent endgame even at high fear.

[bleak night]

Where's that statistic from

I see different weapons, keepsake orders, boons and vow loadouts wherever I go

[tropic saffron]

Honestly that's just flat out wrong I gotta say

[bleak night]

The only thing I see being turbospammed is Pan with Poseidon and Medea with Zeus

Other aspects have people preferring different things

[tropic saffron]

I don't even use Madea with zeus

[bleak night]

Medea with Zeus is top tier tho if you wanna give it a go

[tropic saffron]

Is it good?

[bleak night]

So like you know how the load-ramming playstyle goes right ?

[tropic saffron]

I tend to do either aphro on the attack or heph stuff and that goes really hard

[bleak night]

If you put Zeus on Special, the ram applies Blitz BEFORE your attack blows it up. So it will instantly apply Blitz and blow it up every time you do the combo

[tropic saffron]

Load, special, load special?

[tame spindle]

i think im playing pan wrong i still dont have a gain at cerberus

[bleak night]

So it's free Blitz damage pops every time you combo in perpetuity

[tropic saffron]

Sounds like fun

[bleak night]

Goddamn lol

[tropic saffron]

It goes on the special right?

[bleak night]

Yeah peeps do Zeus keepsake start and put it on Special, then they just hunt for Ares/Aphro/Hera for Attack

It's pretty potent

[tropic saffron]

Honestly that plus a high level high rarity heph on the attack sounds like it'd be insane

Heph is underrated imo

[bleak night]

Heph on attack probs a lil weak compared to the % boost ones because the Attacks blowing up is about 90ish already. Consistent % boosts outdo Heph by a lot

Also the Blitz has the issue of not automatically popping if you don't do 140 with the attack blowing up

[magic moss]

i actually think the meta is in the best state its ever been

[bleak night]

So if you go Blasts, it will only do that maybe once in a while rather than each time

[tropic saffron]

It's way easier to get the heph blasts to minimum cooldown than people say

[jaunty moat]

aspect of circe rolling in her grave

[tropic saffron]

In general or for the Zeus thing specifically?

[jaunty moat]

but jokes aside i pretty much agree this meta is good

[bleak night]

Yeah but you do about 3 or 4 Medea combos in the time a fully min cooldown (2sec) Heph Blast is

[tropic saffron]

I've had some absolutely insane heph Madea runs this update so far

[bleak night]

So you lose out on blowing up 2 Blitzes for around 120-240 or so each on average

[tropic saffron]

Does the base attack not do enough?

I don't quite recall

And I'm in the middle of a run so I can't check

[bleak night]

I think the issue with going full send on Heph Blast is that the amount of poms you put into it can otherwise be put into an Aphro attack that would be at 200% by then

[magic moss]

circe imo actually got hurt quite a bit with the removal of old night, the ocast power arcana

and now is otherwise entirely outclassed by momus in almost every way unfortunately

[tropic saffron]

I've seen and done some quite powerful heph builds so far

[willow phoenix]

My hand hurts from playing medea this fast tbh lol so I lowkey might want a slower play

[bleak night]

So you'd do Heph Blasts damage every single Attack rather than every 2 secs

[bleak night]

I get that, but running literally anything else would outdamage it easily in half the time is all

[tropic saffron]

My heph builds with the skull have surpassed my aphro builds with it so far

[bleak night]

Try Aphro Attack with Zeus Special rq then

[tropic saffron]

I'll check out the Zeus thing though because apparently I'm missing out on that

[bleak night]

It will 100% outdamage the Heph build with no issue

[tropic saffron]

Yeah after this run I will

Unrelated but I think Artemis daggers gets slept on

[willow phoenix]

The daggers are all good

[tropic saffron]

It can be really really powerful

[bleak night]

People zoom in on Pan too much compared to the other 2 is all I feel

[willow phoenix]

Although mel daggers suffer from not being able to backstab Typhon

[bleak night]

Rly good tho yeah

[tropic saffron]

I mean what real reason is there to take Mel daggers a lot of the time

[magic moss]

backstab is solid wym

[bleak night]

Scorch builds are better with the native backstab

Because the Backstab doesn't apply to your Aphro boon or whatever you put on Attack

[magic moss]

i love mel blades, use it more than artemis tbh

[tropic saffron]

Mel blades are probably better than I gave them credit for but I don't use them a lot it seems

[willow phoenix]

I use mel more because honestly I don't really feel like doing the riposte a lot of times lol

[tropic saffron]

Personally I think the only aspects that are "bad" are eos and circe

They need some love

[willow phoenix]

Eos is fine imo

I don't like circe and nyx

[tropic saffron]

Nyx is baller

[bleak night]

Eos is nice, but I feel like a headless chicken when I play it

[tropic saffron]

I use nyx the most out of the coat aspects

My previous list was a little small actually. The Mel axe and Selene coat are also kinda "eh" imo

[bleak night]

HELL NAH MEL AXE IS THE BEST

[tropic saffron]

Compared to than and Charon?

[willow phoenix]

Mynt triggered the moment mel axe gets mentioned lol

[bleak night]

Yes. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bmhGTt3JuyI

[tropic saffron]

That's just you being a god gamer

[magic moss]

eos has a really jank and tbh inconsistent playstyle, making the consistency of mel torches and moros overall just simply better

[bleak night]

Mel Axe >>>>>>>>>>>

[tropic saffron]

I suppose the extra health would help for high fear a lot

[bleak night]

I will die on this hill I swear to god I will never leave this heavy thing

[tame spindle]

u did it on mel??? 😭

[tropic saffron]

That's something I didn't think about

[magic moss]

circe on the other hand is super tragic because I actually thought circe had some pretty decent use cases but now with the removal of base ocast dmg arcana and buff to oattack momus is just strictly better in eveyr way xdd

[magic moss]

the extra health rarely makes a difference

[tropic saffron]

Then what the hell is the point of taking it?

[bleak night]

Oh nah it's that my fave's Dash Attack has 35 more damage than the other 2 aspects and there's a Daedalus upgrade that makes your dash attack have better AoE and hit twice

[magic moss]

35 base power is disgustingly strong

[willow phoenix]

More damage is strong

[magic moss]

yo mynt

[bleak night]

So Mel Axe with that build has a 150 base damage dash attack

[bleak night]

What's up?

[magic moss]

you think its better to push boonless to 50 by taking hordes 3 or enabling void and relying on judgement

[bleak night]

Why are you doing this to yourself

[magic moss]

im rn leaning towards the latter cuz hordes 3 is such an rng nightmare

[bleak night]

Yeah do a judgment run ig

[magic moss]

why did you do 55 surface?

[tropic saffron]

This high fear talk is making me scared. I'm not a good gamer I'm just a nerd who knows a lot about the game

[bleak night]

Idk felt doable

[magic moss]

cuz i feel like it idk 50s are getting boring

[bleak night]

I have a video on low fear of a meme build

[tame spindle]

😭

[bleak night]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PQBJWrbnEgA

[willow phoenix]

Warm breeze gonna get nerfed when sgg sees this

[bleak night]

My bad

[tropic saffron]

Unrelated but I think I got the biggest single instance of damage I've ever gotten in the game just recently with Artemis

[bleak night]

What was it ?

[tropic saffron]

7290

[bleak night]

Ah, so you have Grievous Blow ?

[tropic saffron]

No funnily enough

[bleak night]

Tf

[tropic saffron]

The other double one

[bleak night]

Ah same effect I think

[tropic saffron]

The missing health one

[bleak night]

But it had two exclamations next to the number yeah?

Crit + Doubled by Ares iirc

Love it when that happens

[tropic saffron]

Level 6 epic ares attack plus wounds plus crit plus double damage plus sweeping ambush hammer plus weed killer

[bleak night]

Ah the crit was an Omega Attack ?

[tropic saffron]

Yes

[tropic saffron]

And I had blackened fleece on

[bleak night]

Damn they scale hard

[tropic saffron]

Throughout the run my Omega attack did 340,000 damage

[bleak night]

I should do an Arty run with Omega Attacks again. I just spam the attacks when I play it and parry when it's up

[tropic saffron]

I think the next biggest chunk of damage was either romantic spark momus or a beefed up Charon omega cast

I got the cast to do like 3.7k or something crazy like that

[bleak night]

Charon got gigabuffed by the new stuff, it's great

[tropic saffron]

It's funny because Haelin was saying that Charon was nerfed because the card was taken away. But the changes to geyser spout actually make it better if you can get it

[bleak night]

That's not all. Lemme find the clip

[tropic saffron]

Same with local climate

And of course daddy ares

[bleak night]

https://imgur.com/a/kr5edDt

Blood Drops on Charon moment

[tropic saffron]

I had basically gotten a perfect run when I got the cast up to that much damage. It was crazy I got local climate geyser spout, the ares double damage. Apollo's regen. It was so much

Probably my favorite warsong run so far

[bleak night]

Also apparently they fixed the Apollo legendary's mechanic with the Giga Cleaver Upgrade, so it's 4x volleys of Omega Specials rather than 3

[tropic saffron]

It was four before for me

I think

[bleak night]

Was bugged before this new update apparently ? Was a really big complaint

[tropic saffron]

They made timing the extra cast for those a lot harder

[bleak night]

Yep, they did

[tropic saffron]

I had giga cleaver that run and it was mad inconsistent on the double cast

[bleak night]

More consistent diagonally for some reason

[tropic saffron]

To the point where I stopped trying

[bleak night]

But vertically and horizontally, way harder to get it every time

Even if I spam the button, it's somehow still a coinflip

[tropic saffron]

Real

It's so tight now it's crazy

Let me finish my run real quick so I can test the Madea thing I've been texting too much lol

[bleak night]

It's 100% consistent if you dash towards the direction you sent the Cleaves and then spamtap the Cast there

[bleak night]

Ooh yeah hf. I'll play a run myself later

[formal dome]

No meta ? Clear meta !!! 😉 We need a bit more glory for Toula for example 😉

https://i.imgur.com/mWxg7h9.png

[bleak night]

last patch

Plus 3 of them are being used. Raki is used less than Frinos and Hecuba here but it's like 75% in the speedrunning anyfear community

@magic moss your sheet is being referenced btw

[tropic saffron]

Got Poseidon legendary right before chronos

I'm blessed

I have prevailed

[formal dome]

553 times less used than Frinos, isn't what I call an healthy meta ... Daggers and Staves seem to be in the sweet spot with no major favorites even with previously broken pan daggers ...

[tropic saffron]

The base attack with huntress activated does 119 😭

[bleak night]

My guy looks at the High Fear document that contains data for the top 0.01% of the community in terms of difficulty and thinks it counts for other categories like speedrunning and casual play. Nobody runs Frinos in speedruns my guy

[tropic saffron]

Real

[bleak night]

You pick what has the most desirable statstick for your playstyle. Toula isn't picked because Athena is broken and Toula's Death Defiance denies access to her

[tropic saffron]

I'm a casual player (the target audience for supergiant to make the meta around) and honestly it's really great right now

Gotta just flat out say it's in a great spot

I'm gonna try Zeus special with Madea now

[bleak night]

It's great

[tropic saffron]

What attack should I take?

I'm in ephyra

[bleak night]

Aphro/Hera/Ares. Ares has low % but Grievous Blow also works with Blitz so it's an option

[tropic saffron]

What about Apollo?

[bleak night]

Decent but kinda worse than the other 3 imo

[tropic saffron]

I'll take hera since it's just her and Apollo here

So the idea is that that special hits first, procs blitz and then the attack instantly detonates it?

[bleak night]

Yep!

If you find any Hammer that boosts the Power or % damage of Special then it's quite good as well.

[tropic saffron]

So I should see the blitz come up and then immediately go right?

[bleak night]

You should, yeah.

[tropic saffron]

Note to self: common hera boon attack doesn't do 120 damage without huntress active

That's why it wasn't doing it

[bleak night]

Is your Medea rank 5 already ?

[tropic saffron]

Yes

Hera common did like 118

[bleak night]

Odd, but yeah maybe a Pom could fix that

[tropic saffron]

Without huntress

[bleak night]

You running Furies ?

[tropic saffron]

Probably gonna phial it

[bleak night]

30% more damage to targets inside Cast

[tropic saffron]

Yes

[bleak night]

Ah, then yeah ig 50% is the limit for when it doesn't pop

Should ramp up as you go

[dawn cape]

How does mortal gain compare to born gain? Seems like they're both kinda broken

[bleak night]

Born Gain is less risky for the most part

You can run Mortal Gain though, have at it.

[tropic saffron]

Mortal gain gets better with max health born gain scales with max magic

[tropic saffron]

Got aphro replacement boon. We ball

[bleak night]

That should autopop ig

[tropic saffron]

Would you say pomming the special is more important than the attack?

[tropic saffron]

Or the attack?

[bleak night]

Special probs because it's flat

So it scales better with your Furies and Origination

For the most part though, pom them both the first time, since the first level is usually great but the further ones are either weaker in the boost or have extremely diminishing effects

[tropic saffron]

Yeah that much I know

[bleak night]

@crimson glacier You wait for the skulls to explode when you load them ?

On Medea, that is.

Because that uh isn't the way it's intended to be used

[tropic saffron]

Okay the build kinda went crazy

[bleak night]

It's the standard for that reason ye. It's strong out of the gate and only scales as it goes

[tropic saffron]

Doesn't hurt that I got the Zeus legendary at the beginning of olympus

That boon is so funny

[bleak night]

I need to test legendaries

I haven't played with a legendary aside from Ares blooddrops in a while

[tropic saffron]

Zeus and Aphrodite keep surprising me with their great synergy. At first I thought they would be bad together but they have at least two absolutely crazy build synergies that I know of now. That being Madea and moros w/romantic spark

Major typo there lol

[bleak night]

Blitz and getting instapopped are always nice combos. For Romantic Spark apparently it's best on Coat Attack with Passion Rush or something ?

[tropic saffron]

I hear it's best with moros

I've had major success with that

[bleak night]

I should give it a go sometime, I haven't played with Torches in a long time

[tropic saffron]

But maybe I'll check it out sometime

[tropic saffron]

Torches are ✅

[bleak night]

They're good, they just really don't fit with my playstyle at all

[tropic saffron]

I look back and laugh when everyone at release (including myself) said torches were bad

Oh how wrong we were

[round warren]

wouldn't frosty veneer and blood spree be a super effective combo?
take 20 damage max per hit, heal that all back with the attack spam some weapons get instantly

[bleak night]

Yep, run Antler as well lol

[bleak night]

Less of wrong and more of they got changed enough that more people found them fun I think

[tropic saffron]

I'm pretty sure moros has been untouched since launch. Correct me if that's wrong

[round warren]

i need to go for this XD
i effectively cheesed my first typhon win, why not go for a full cheese for my 3rd

what are some other defensive boons to grab on the way?

[lapis star]

if a boon says that my special gains 20 power it will also affect my omega special right?

[bleak night]

Snow Queen, Trusty Shield, Glamour Gain or Passion Rush + Broken Resolve

[bleak night]

If singular, no

[round warren]

so
dem and ares, aphro, and heph?

[bleak night]

I am not too sure about that, I think the numbers have been tweaked throughout though

[round warren]

hopefully i can get most of them

[bleak night]

Yeah, seems good.

Issue is

Only two of those are water. So you may need to fish + force a 5th god (Poseidon?)

[round warren]

oh true

[bleak night]

Since you need 6 water for the infusion

[round warren]

hmm

[bleak night]

Dem's defensives are Earth rather than Water, so can't look to her fully

[tropic saffron]

Oh shoot

[round warren]

is there a way to force gods in this game btw?

[round warren]

grah
i forget dem is annoying like that

[bleak night]

Keepsakes

[round warren]

damn it i have been consistently forgetting to gift gods i did the same thing in hades 1

[tropic saffron]

Damn : (
I had the ares heal thing on a omega attack torch build and forgot to put on the antler in tartarus

[round warren]

i'll do a few runs to gather keepsakes

[potent beacon]

does the vow of hordes increase the total gold you gather per location?

[viscid rain]

So I don't get Ares boons. Is it worth taking cast, dash, and MP regen ones?

[round warren]

i went to do this, forgot to gift to any gods, and got the exact 4 i was after

[round warren]

i didn't get frosty veneer, but i did finally get prom on fear 8 lmao

[willow phoenix]

Dash and gain are great imo

The dash with any of the sword drop duos it can deal pretty significant damage for a dash

The gain is great when you need tons of magick but doesn't have that much. It's still probably outclassed by born gain but it's not punished by low total magick

Cast is decent with the sword duos too and winner's circle, the sword is aoe so it can hit multiple enemies. But I personally don't rate it that high when there's like hera cast for damage without needing a duo

[pulsar sapphire]

I’ve personally never taken sword ring, so I can’t comment on that, nor have I built around his dash but it does decent damage, mortal gain is likely good on tankier builds as you’d be able to spare the measly 15 HP and you’re not chugging magic constantly
If you’re going for anything cast related with Ares meat grinder is quite fun

I find that Ares’ boons are best used for builds that take advantage of high attack speeds like torches and blades, especially if you can get the blood drop economy going.

[vale mesa]

Don’t know if it’s the right place to ask but is there some secret how to keep spinning with axe if you have one big slam hammer upgrade? Sometimes I could start my omega attack but mostly Mel just hitting the ground really hard. Playing on kbm

[spare kite]

Start charging from a dash strike instead

[primal phoenix]

How do you build Aspect of Nyx ? Sprint build ? Seems like a good mana pool is needed too

[vale mesa]

Haven’t thought about that. I’ll try it. Thanks

[willow phoenix]

Anyone can tell if this hits 3 or 4 times? This is with apollo legendary and mirrored thrasher
https://steamusercontent-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1792116362789077/00EC902C392589F047AF61F763C84424A5EF591F/

[glossy rivet]

does charon cast benefit from local climate?

[bleak night]

ye