h2-builds-and-combat

[magic moss]

its situationally busted, overall kind of mid

like 80% of the times the sun worshipper is going to revive like a small add

[blissful sphinx]

that's a parameter within our control tho

and during the prometheus fight the foes are all strong

[magic moss]

and you would need to go out of your way to isolate the enemy you want to revive and kill it first, most of the times you're trying to just kill everything on sight

[magic moss]

again thats a situationally busted scenario, its good in the prom fight but mediocre elsewhere

[blissful sphinx]

exactly, a playstyle I like but probably not suitable for everyone. Definitely rewarding tho

also I've been wondering something... does the Night Bloom hex work cross rooms?

Like if you enter a room and use your hex without having killed an enemy yet

[magic moss]

i mean thats fair, but then its not really a "people don't know it" kind of thing

[magic moss]

no

[blissful sphinx]

unfortunate I woulda loved to find a way to abuse that

[blissful sphinx]

I say people don't know cause from what I saw no one tends to aim for that duo boon

now I have so many questions about revenants... but I'll spare yall lol

[magic moss]

nah ask away, ill try to answer as best as i can

[blissful sphinx]

there's a path of stars that makes your revenant's hits do your specials boon I think

what if you slap poseidon on a multi striking enemy like the punching guys in fields of mourning

that could be busted

OR

if you have hephaestus special, does the blast cooldown also affect your revenant's attacks?

[magic moss]

:) no idea

i dont really use night bloom lmao

🙇‍♂️

[blissful sphinx]

but yeah I was wondering about cross room revenants cause

if you can manipulate a region to have the miniboss followed by the boss without any encounters between, it can be funny to summon the miniboss during the boss fight

but that probably won't work

oh yeah another question about revenants, if you take the revenge boon path of stars, will attacking your own revenant inflict the revenge boon an the foes?

[high monolith]

Apollo cast is great with Charon axe yes?

[magic moss]

good yes

[bleak night]

That's Gain no

[magic moss]

whoops

[bleak night]

Best Cast is still Dem but Apollo is one of like the other 4 2nd bests

1. Dem
2. Apollo/Hera/Hestia/Aphro
3. Zeus/Heph
4. Pos

[magic moss]

i honestly thing pos cast is actually solid on charon

you can refresh the big burst of damage really easily

imo its better than storm ring or anvil ring

[bleak night]

I should try it out

Probs would want Gale for Orig then

[magic moss]

ye

[potent grotto]

How much of a learning curve is there to the skull? I don't think I've ever actually used it

[low bear]

Pos cast should habe built in slip then maybe it wouldn't be terrible

[cursive oyster]

pos cast should be like a reverse aphrodite cast

[hollow briar]

It's not half bad, just don't treat them like a long-ranged Weapon and it should be alright

[tall notch]

Pos has a cast boon?

[half sigil]

Nah they removed it

[hollow briar]

Casts:
Apply Status - 5/8
Damage over time (preferred) - 5/8 (Zeus, Dem, Aphro, Hestia, Heph)
Overlap with Status - 3/5
Damage at once (not ideal) - 2/8 (Apollo/Pos)
Overlap with Status - 1/2
Pos is the only one that is both single instance and doesn't apply a Status (Hera notwithstanding because of how she functions)

So I think built-in Slip would be plenty good for actually putting it in line with the others

Still would probably be the worst cast, but hey, it's something

[half sigil]

built in slip i'd actually take it

issue is slip is based on rarity of slippery slope so not sure how you'd work that out

[gaunt jetty]

I really couldn't tell you, I try to play all weapons and most aspects so I learned them all at the same time, but skull got me my first wins, UW and Olympus. Its good for quick burst dam and then dodging

[potent grotto]

Gotcha yeah I've probably had the most success with the staff but I've also probably used the staff the most

[half sigil]

staff is pretty easy to use cause it doesn't have any mechanics almost but in term of power it's pretty mid. Axe if you want something simple is also very good and pretty strong

skulls imo are not the easiest to use. Mel skulls is also pretty bad. Medea is super strong, anmd pers is a weird one but is pretty good. I'd defo wouldn't start with it tho it's weird

[gaunt jetty]

Mel is better than media If you don't use the special like i do

[half sigil]

there is no world where mel is better than medea

[gaunt jetty]

All i'm saying is I don't like specialing with skulls because they always hit me during it

[half sigil]

ah

yea medea is pretty aggresive that's true

[gaunt jetty]

plus juggling isn't a bad strat

[half sigil]

you have to be comfortable being in the ennemy's face

I'm just saying, mel is pretty clunky on top of being a bottom tier weapon in term of power so if he's just trying to complete a run i woudln't recommend mel skulls personally

But eveyrone is different

[gaunt jetty]

Sure mel doesn't give the best boosts, but none of the other aspects help with juggling, so its the best for that.

this is from a 15-20 F/H perspective

[civic salmon]

how do we feel about blitz? I really miss jolted but wondering if i'm sleeping on blitz

[half sigil]

blitz is a top tier curse

[tall notch]

I liked the part where Zeus said it's blitzing time and blitzed all over the place

[half sigil]

you usually want to put it on your special. A lot of weapons have low dmg special, so putting blitz on them does a ton of burst dmg. Like axe, coat, skulls, blades, staff, torches

basically almost all weapons lol you can put blitz on special

except on stuff like pan/persephone where the special is your main damage source

[sage flame]

just give pos 2 status conditions, slip and then put one on the cast like the rupture from h1

[cursive oyster]

just give poseidon one status curse and remove slip

[sage flame]

what if....3 curses

[low bear]

I'd like a boon that instead of knocking foes away, pos splash sucks them in

[half sigil]

Maybe it’s just me but the pushback from waves is annoying

[vital whale]

yes, Pushing enemies away only makes it harder to finish them off

[vital whale]

I'm trying so hard to learn to use Pan, but I can't really do it ahahah as of now I keep getting way more dmg on me than with other blades' aspects

[stable lichen]

the annoying thing about poseidon waves is that they push stuff back without giving you any of the pushback rewards from H1

poseidon pushback got gutted so hard

[half sigil]

Yea true

[analog ether]

Question about Charon:

Does the cast eruption triggered by your special count as an omega cast?

Mostly just wondering if the Death card is worthwhile on Charon

[cursive oyster]

does not work with death

[uneven palm]

Death doesn’t work, but things like Local Climate from Demeter or Easy Shot do work on Charon

[waxen garden]

Night does work on Charon though IIRC, I tried it on Skelly with/without

[sage flame]

death works on the special but the cast wouldnt count as another omega move in a row afaik

[uneven palm]

Night absolutely works and you should have it on with Charon

[analog ether]

New question (because getting legendaries is a pain in the ass)

How does the Apollo legendary interact with the Skull? Does it double your ammo usage, or does it turn your omega attack into a 2-for-1?

[spare kite]

2 for 1

[twilit timber]

Yeah pushing is way weaker than h1

[stable lichen]

i miss my splash dash breaking wave pinball builds in styx

although i could probably just boot up H1 for that

it would be cool if they played more into poseidon being the “earthshaker” for the cast and made it form a giant fissure enemies cannot cross for 5 seconds or something

or maybe make it set up your own rubble/traps/sharp stones in your cast that linger after it expires and deals damage to enemy that walks on them

hes not just the god of the seas after all, he’s also the god of the earth’s surface and earthquakes

[jolly violet]

Heya what's the suggested fear config for 32F? I've never been a high heat/fear player since h1 but I'd still like the statues (and also for farming nightmare)

Pins are awfully empty so I'm sorry if this question's been asked before

Also does Judgement circumvent Void (less grasp for arcana)?

[uneven palm]

Judgement works with Void, yes. You can get more Arcana active than your grasp limit. Still wouldn’t do Void for 32 tho

[magic moss]

honestly i could see void3 titan strength being used to nullify like fangs2 for example

[uneven palm]

32 take as much Time as you can stomach (ideally maxed), Fangs, Hubris, Denial, Debt, Menace, Shadow. If you can do Frenzy, take it it’s a lot. Scars 2 isn’t so bad. Grit isn’t terrible. From there it’s up to you but I’d mostly avoid Hordes and Forfeit

I’d rather have all my rolls and cash and just hope i don’t get screwed too badly by Fangs haha

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1316836402654347285/image.png?ex=675c7ef8&is=675b2d78&hm=c5f85635ee0aeb98f01e75a9e54a9a5cc976d248f72787411462a79296875561& like this is a very easy 32F setup

[bleak night]

what weap are ya tryna do it on

[jolly violet]

Yeah that was what I was thinking, leaving 20% grasp to use with strength and using judgement

[jolly violet]

Currently furthest along and best acquainted with mel axe, farming to up medea, than, pan

[bleak night]

is it 32 Surface or UW ?

[jolly violet]

Both for the statue, right?

[bleak night]

Yep ig

[jolly violet]

I'm super scared of frenzy-scars-pain, I'm not good enough to even reliably beat prom yet

[bleak night]

I can do a run if you wanna watch

[jolly violet]

only if it's timeIII lol I'm not sure how much time I can spare

[bleak night]

I play pretty quickly yeah

[magic moss]

lmao yeah mynt is insanely cracked at the game

[jolly violet]

I find that (as with H1) 5 mins per area tends to be too stressful to enjoy the game for me so I never really went past 40 heat

50 heat clears are super impressive, no doubt

[bleak night]

I have some runs up actually if you wanna just watch my recorded ones

[magic moss]

wow mynt i cant believe you’re self promoing yourself smh

[bleak night]

[jolly violet]

max heat is mmmmmmmmmmmmm
still need a good fear spread though
But I'll check it out for a reference as to playstyle!

[magic moss]

if i talk abiut the sheet would that be considered a self promi?

🤔

[jolly violet]

Nothing in the rules against self-promo tbf

[bleak night]

I mean I can stream a 32 fear run if you wanna see me test out setups

especially considering you're using my fave aspect, too

[jolly violet]

I'm surprised you'd point to mel axe as your favourite, thought it'd be than for the efficiency

Big number good though

[bleak night]

I like Mel Axe

[jolly violet]

what the heck, sure

[bleak night]

also I'll dm you the link to the speedrun discord since they have a VC there

[jolly violet]

I have a half hour to burn

[bleak night]

sent

[twilit timber]

Is there some pre requisite for seeing pom pom pom from echo? I can't seem to ever get it

[bleak night]

die a run previous with no boons so Boon Boon Boon doesn't appear

that way it's one of 5 boons instead of one of 6 boons

[past mist]

can probably get rid of survive survive survive by not running DD too right?

[low bear]

yes or having full DDs

[waxen nest]

Fr
Getting past the 5 min mark without activating the vow after time clears feels brutal especially if you don’t get the right rng

[jolly violet]

After some pointers from mynt I'm actually doing pretty decent on time

Esp because I'm running 32 heat, means that I can keep most of my healing, making facetanking and otherwise sloppy play a bit more viable

[carmine lagoon]

just threw the easiest 40F run of my life

lvl 10 heroic sworn strike, lvl 3 heroic mint condition, arctic ring, mental block

...by mistiming mental block on the instakill :(

[uneven palm]

Yeah that’ll happen. You’ll get ‘em next time

[stiff flare]

Is the De/Zu duo boon on daggers with Demeter’s attack + static shock and Zeus’s cast a good combo?

[uneven palm]

Hail Storm isn’t gonna be contributing an awful lot to that but it’s free damage

You can get more juice out of it with Double Strike and Cold Storage

[waxen nest]

Valid the healing helps a lot ngl
I got to chronos once on a 40f run but ran out of time during second phase
It was very sad (also mental block on some of his attacks does crazy dmg sometimes)

[nimble lichen]

are hestia's boons any good? i used them like one time

[stable lichen]

hestia is pretty mid imo

i mean you have cool duos (looking at you freezer burn) but scorch just feels like “we have hangover at home”

[cursive oyster]

scorch is cool but def needs quite a bit to scale well

[low bear]

hestia is below average and her support boons aren't that good either. Nothing comes to mind as a good support boon from her except Burnt Offering but that's extremely random in how good it is

Smolder Ring is great though for wards clear and pretty decent AoE damage

[uneven palm]

She’s pretty good damage with some commitment. Natural Gas is really good. I’d take her on ultra high fear if Hera didn’t exist haha

[stable lichen]

she does have some pretty nice duos

[uneven palm]

Oh ha I did have Hestia attack on a 50F Than run https://youtu.be/2veGF6xRFC0?si=hRSd-zO8ZKpEsXnx

[potent grotto]

I have decided I thoroughly dislike the skull

Any other ideas for fighting Prometheus?

[stable lichen]

i mean persephone is basically playing the skull without playing the skull :P

[uneven palm]

You trying to get him with the Skulls In particular?

[potent grotto]

I was suggested to try them but yeah after playing them up to Eris yeah I don't like them

[uneven palm]

Sure. Have you tried Persephone? It’s got an unusual loop but skating around with extended Omega specials can be pretty safe

[potent grotto]

I haven't, no

This was my first time and it was Melinoe skull I think

I'm not really that surprised that I didn't like it, I was more of a Stygius and Varatha kinda gal in Hades 1

And so far I've probably liked Descura best in Hades 2

[magic moss]

MY GOAT

[potent grotto]

The new weapon might be a close second

I tried it out and that one's pretty fun

[uneven palm]

Coat’s real fun. Got a neat moveset.

[potent grotto]

Okay yeah after having gone and fought Chronos again, Prometheus is definitely way harder to beat

Chronos is a cakewalk compared to Prometheus

[sand rampart]

how do i build aspect of than? I cant quite seem to figure it out,,, i know im supposed to do big bonk with flat damage increase with hera and aphro and origination and stuff but i struggle to bring it all together,,,

[wintry idol]

spin?
idon really know
but for my exp seems like spining helps alot with kilin them before they kil u

[willow phoenix]

You can use freeze or apollo attack to make it easier. Usually I just spin a lot after getting max buff stack

[uneven palm]

Take your pick of Aphrodite, Hera, Apollo on attack. Get a decent gain (Hera, Zeus, maybe Hestia). Add Demeter for Freeze and Weed Killer. Attack to build Mortality, do big Omega spins when the gauge is maxed out. Seething Marauder and Psychic Whirlwind are good hammers. Or you can treat it as a way faster Mel Axe if you wanna Hell Splitter or Executioners Chop it up.

While charging the Omega attack you can dash and start spinning at the end of the dash to reposition. You can also dash to cancel it.

You can get away with weird gains too. Like Unseen will recover while you’re spinning so a full spin is basically free. Demeter’s Tranquil gain will start while you’re spinning too if you’re not moving.

[uneven palm]

Excellent timing that you’d say that I just made a little video showing how to avoid getting hit by Prometheus https://youtu.be/vr3VfMbkqmo?si=xL_N9DvLQ5ZubBXD

Ignore that I get hit by him kinda a lot it’s hard to talk while doing this turns out

[tall notch]

Why would anyone use freeze attack when freeze cast though

[willow phoenix]

I meant freeze as a status not demeter attack specifically

[tall notch]

Ohhh, the way that sentence was phrased I thought you actually were recommending dem attack

[uneven palm]

Higher rarity Dem attack isn’t awful, and I guess you could make it up with Weed Killer. Still the least good +% option tho

[tough hamlet]

does anyone use aspect of medea with argent skull? I haven't done a run with it yet because the combat loop just isn't for me but I'm wondering if anyone else has gotten results with it

[magic moss]

its the 2nd aspect to have cleared 55F and is considered a top3 aspect in terms of strength

[tough hamlet]

I was NOT familiar with it's game 😭 thats crazy I got to check that out

[magic moss]

i have a ton of vods of people playing and clearing with medea at 50F if you want to see how people pilot the aspect at the highest level

its also was a really popular speedrunning aspect so there should be a lot of vods on youtube/speedrun.com for that side as well

[tough hamlet]

Definitely gonna check that out! Appreciate the spreadsheet you have in your about me that's super neat

[sonic light]

I'm not a speed runner or a high heat player, but I did use it recently. I got the hammer that shoots all the skulls at once and then the hammer that gives you five skulls. So I just hit attack once and then special into enemies for a huge boom. It was fun. 🙂

[blissful sphinx]

aspect of medea is so nice man, especially with heavens flourish

(special applies blitz and attack immediately detonates it)

[vital plover]

So am I just BAD at this game or is chronos THAT hard to beat?

not sure if I just do not know what boons to take, or what cards to use or what but after dozens of attempts I've only gotten to him twice

[obsidian remnant]

are you making it regularly to tartarus? like, is there a specific area that you're having a hard time with?

[vital plover]

I've made it there twice total

Cerberus kills me most times, he hits me for most of my life bar with any given attack

[obsidian remnant]

do you remember what your weapon and build was on the times you made it past cerberus? i had trouble with getting to chronos at first until i found weapons and builds i really enjoyed and practicing with them gave me some leeway during my runs to get better at reading fight telegraphs and enemy patterns

i will say that the number of times i've beaten the bosses of any run without my beloved demeter cast is pretty low lol it's a good safety crutch if you find yourself eating a lot of damage and it's a must on pretty much any build i do, but knowing what weapons you favor might help us give suggestions on builds that can provide some safety or higher dps

[vital plover]

I got there with the blades and the staff I believe

I JUST unlocked the axe

[bleak night]

Axe gaming

[winter delta]

If you haven’t unlock the surface, don’t open this spoiler. || If you met Hera, I recommend using her cast. Her curse can quickly wipe out tons of enemies, while you only need to focus your attention on a few. ||

I also recommend using a cast or weapon that can work at a distance. Torches is a good start, but if you prefer other weapons then try those distance casts - for example, Hestia and Zeus both have casts you can target enemies with. Zeus has a very powerful cast. Hestia has a strong curse effect as well, and I recommend her attack boon espc if youre using torches.

Selene’s Dark Side hex is incredibly powerful. Try rolling for that.

Personally, I beat Chronos using the Moonstone axe. I relied on the crit damage. I really like Demeter for attack, as it freezes lots of enemies for a long time and gives you a couple seconds of extra time. I think I beat Chronos with a Demeter and Zeus build.

[magic moss]

i mean i wouldn't discredit yourself too much, you're still very new to the game in terms of roguelike standards and chronos is meant to be a final boss

[bleak night]

I recommend getting Nova Strike (Apollo on Axe)

it's great for early runs since it has amazing range and the damage is still quite good

can just go Aphro for raw damage

[magic moss]

if you've only been to chronos twice, then im not surprised you lost to him. A large part of the early difficulty is actually learning the attack patterns and how to dodge and timings of dash

[vital plover]

I beat the final boss of Hades I in little runs I believe

The issue is that currently, Chronos hits so insanely hard I have no time to learn his move patterns

[magic moss]

I've spent like 3 hours practicing the chronos fight alone straight before i started to get even slightly consistent at killing him

[vital plover]

I just take idk 50 damage from a scythe hit and die insta

[bleak night]

When he starts to windup the scythe, either get away or just dash when he's about to let it rip, he has a tell

[winter delta]

the game gives you an indicator as to where his attacks will land, and he also pauses for a few seconds before he does his hits, so if you see a pause you know to get out of his perimeter

[vital plover]

He also resummons adds constantly, boomarang scythe comes out of nowhere and idk..... just demoralized y'all

[winter delta]

honestly before the updates he was 10x harder to beat i think they tamed him down a lot tbh

[vital plover]

Don't get me wrong love the game and I get it's supposed to be THIS difficult but just wish I was overall in general better at video games

[bleak night]

You can kill off the Tempus spam as they spawn in while keeping an eye on him in order to reduce the number of annoyances

he spawns only about 12 of them at max, one at a time on the hours

[obsidian remnant]

agreed that the biggest hurdle is learning enemy attack patterns and dying a lot so you can do that (and learn what builds you like along the way) is just part of the gameplay loop.

i found myself needing a lot of buffer / safety at first so i could have some breathing room to learn. so, for staff, when i was first getting started, i relied a lot on demeter's cast (arctic ring) paired with a thrown cast like zeus's lightning lance or hestia's glowing coal. so i could freeze enemies in place from afar.

i really like flutter strike and wave flourish with their duo boon (aphro/poseidon) that lowers the damage you take from enemies. poseidon's special knocks enemies back from the one you damaged, giving you extra space, and aphrodite's raw dps is just good on attack. getting them both in your god pool gets you a lot of safety and DPS too - aphrodite's shameless attitude is up to a 30% dps increase (10/20/30 iirc? and the amount doubles when your health is over 80%), and once you grab that you've met the requirements to get healthy rebound, which restores some health every time you leave a room as long as you're over a threshold (80%/70/60 i think?). plus there's life affirmation or whatever which boosts the amount of life you get from centaur hearts. then there's poseidon's sea star which gives a chance at dropping an extra centaur heart (or any minor reward you're claiming). if you can get zeus's static shock, it synergizes really well with poseidon on special for keeping enemies away and melting them before they can get close. beefing up your HP with stuff like this may give you some leeway to eat damage while you're learning.

besides that i really love heph for his protective boons (although i primarily use them on surface runs esp the one that makes you invuln when entering a new location), like the one that gives armor every room. demeter has a few too, like an infusion boon called frosty veneer that prevents you from taking damage over... i wanna say 20? and it synergizes well with poseidon since it's based on how many water boons you have, i think it requires like 5 or 6 or something

anyway those were some of the things i took a lot early on that helped me get more comfortable with the fights just bc it was a good balance of dps and safety for my own personal shortcomings lol ymmv, of course, but i hope something in there is helpful for you!

[bleak night]

Writeup's pretty good, I agree

Poseidon/Demeter/Aphro core is pretty good, honestly

[vital plover]

I had a good run, double death defiance (one from hermes), dark form (which I had no idea what did so I never used it basically) and I'd sometimes take no damage from some random boon

But defiance only healing me to 42 was just not enough on chronos, he took both of the defiances out in 1 swing, nutso

[obsidian remnant]

also, have you maxed out your grasp yet?

if not, and you don't have your entire arcana unlocked, i'd say that might be a better area of focus (farming materials) vs. trying to consistently get to chronos and beat him

[vital plover]

I think i'm on like 23 or something

No clue how high it actually goes

[obsidian remnant]

it goes up to 30 and it makes a huge difference

[vital plover]

I assume you still need to decide which cards to put in, 30 doesn't seem like you can get every card

[obsidian remnant]

yeah, most of us have preferred buildouts for different weapons and routes

i can't remember how many times i beat chronos before unlocking all of my arcana. i doubt i did it often, though. before you have it unlocked and have your protective ones upgraded, things can be pretty rough

[vital plover]

is the only way to get moon dust via bones?

[obsidian remnant]

you eventually unlock an incantation that allows you to make moondust, and there's another method once you've advanced the story a bit, i can't remember when exactly you get it, but it's basically a time-gated delivery service using a special resource

but i remember a good portion of my runs being dedicated to farming psyche and stuff for the moondust incantation until i got all my arcana unlocked and most of my cards upgraded before i worried too much about how far i was getting

[wintry idol]

both things can be true 🤓 ☝️
[says the girl lying twice]

[nimble lichen]

ngl, chronos is much harder than the surface boss, i now can beat him pretty much everytime but i had to face him like 3-4 times before learing him

[summer timber]

I was similar when I started Hades2 feeling like I totally sucked. Now I'm destroying everything in sight mercilessly. It takes time and a lot of upgrades in the cauldron. Eventually it will flip like a switch where you go from barely surviving to trying for 10 minute runs. 😄

[sage flame]

ther are differences in all of chronos' windup animations for each attack, the scythe boomerang has him spinning up his scythe in advance a little bit before he throws it

[uneven palm]

When in doubt I always just stand a few paces out from him if he’s not doing anything. Then the scythe boomerang just goes around you

[uneven palm]

You’re doing fine. You’ve fought the final boss like less than a handful of times. No one’s beating him that quick unless they luck into an insane DPS build (which is harder to do without all your grasp and Arcana upgrades) and can just melt him before he hurts you

[stable lichen]

huh

you can build up mortality by hitting night bloom enemies

[spare kite]

Can use hitch in bosses with them too

[bleak night]

it's something I used to do a lot

Sun Worshipper has like 50k HP or something, so I Hitch tag it and have it suffer with the boss

[blissful sphinx]

my bf once had the Night Bloom hex + big hereditary bane hitch, and Chronos hit the revenant with his 999 damage attack (both had hitch applied). Chronos lost the 3/4 of his life bar LMAO

I think they patched it out since tho

I've been looking into it since tho, maybe some scorch + hitch + air quality build with revenants could be nice

[blissful sphinx]

maybe it was Nasty Comeback actually I'm not sure

[carmine lagoon]

AQ apparently works weirdly with hitch, only doing the min 30 on the first tick

[blissful sphinx]

aaaw that sucks

[carmine lagoon]

wait no i meant hitch not scorch

but still pyro technique typically better anyway than AQ bc you can scale it with poms

[blissful sphinx]

I found out something similar too recently, for Lunar Ray, the path of stars that applies your attack boon literally only works on the first hit of Lunar Ray:(((

so nearly every god is useless with lunar ray

probably zeus and heph have it ok but thats it

I've been messing around a lot with hexes recently and tbh there's a lot of bugs or non functional path of star upgrades

[bleak night]

WHAT

I need to try that, wtf

[blissful sphinx]

I could ask him for the vod

but as I said he tried it again and it's patched out

[sage flame]

I assume it's the night bloom upgrade that gives the summon your revenge boons

that's really funny

[tacit mason]

what is better for Xinthe melee build, Siege Frame or Reaper Frame?

Another way to ask this, what is better a +10 power or 30% damage?

[surreal hazel]

Usually +10 power

+30% damage is additive to other mods, +10 power multiplies with them

[haughty solstice]

Hi I'm a new player who hasn't played Hades I , was just wondering which god and weapon i should focus. Currently going for poseidon and axe weapon

i reached world 3

[bleak night]

If you like the Axe, Aphro/Apollo/Hera are great on the Attack

it's also safe to just go Demeter for the Cast on almost everything

[haughty solstice]

should i focus on attack or technique with the axe ? what's the cast ?

[bleak night]

Are you playing in French by any chance ?

[haughty solstice]

yes how did you know lmao

[bleak night]

saying Technique instead of Special, but yeah when people say Cast, it's Glyphe

[haughty solstice]

oh yeah switched it now

haven't played much with the cast only use it to slow enemies

[bleak night]

the Casts are very useful, I suggest trying out the Zeus and Demeter ones as general options as a new player. Zeus' is just raw damage to a single target, good for bosses. Demeter's is good for freezing groups of enemies, not that special vs bosses, just slows them.

but on Axe, you focus on the Attack

since you haven't played Hades 1, eventually you will unlock aspects of the weapons you have. Aspects are altered versions of the weapons with different bonuses, encouraging a very different gameplay style

there will be an Axe aspect that has a focus on Specials, but that's for later

[haughty solstice]

ohh

[bleak night]

Apollo and Aphrodite are the simple options I suggest

[haughty solstice]

thanks for the tips, i'll try the next weapons after the axe though

[bleak night]

Apollo is good damage, boosts your Axe attack range by a lot. Aphrodite is pure high damage

[tacit mason]

Are there any guides for using the Staff? I figure out that percentage boons aren't the best because the staff's base damage is weak but not sure how to build it

[silent crow]

% boosts on staff arent that bad

with staff you wanna build based on your hammers

since hammers make staff way way stronger

i always run a high damage cast like zeus/hestia/heph/poseidon with staff too since the base moves are a bit lacking in damage

[uneven palm]

I like to start with Zeus cast, see what hammers show up, and pivot. Put some big percentage boosts if you like Omega moves, or Poseidon/Hestia/Zeus on attack if you get like Mirrored Thrasher early

Or with Momus its Omega turrets are good damage at base you can start with a gain and see what shows up hammer-wise to know what to focus on next.

Tbh the best staff builds are getting lucky with good attack hammers

[silent crow]

no the best staff build is geyser spout mel staff for the channel speed

also omg r u the fellow that wrote that build guide for hades 1

[uneven palm]

It me

[uneven palm]

That’s very fun with the Dark Side Sanctity upgrade that lets you spam it too

[silent crow]

ive never gotten that combo its so hard to set up

[vital plover]

So do some of y'all swear you'll never use the axe again? God it feels so bad even with 30% attack speed

[magic moss]

axe is considered the best weapon among the high fear community

[bleak night]

? lol

It's like the best weapon across all 3 aspects compared to everything else

Sure, some aspects are better than the 3 Axes, but as a weapon, it's got the consistency

[twilit timber]

Yeah axe is the most consistent across aspects gotta admit that tho I don't really like axe all that much

[vital plover]

Ah, well I personally don't love it

[vital plover]

Got close again, 10% chronos P1 but I just do not have the tools to beat em yet

Boomarang is the only ability I just can't ever dodge, no matter who tells me what, I ain't dodgin it. It does 40 damage lol gg's

[torpid ginkgo]

same tbh. it doesnt seem as telegraphed as his other attacks, moves fast af and in a wierd arc that is hard to predict. just had my cleanest win against him yet but that hit me like 3 times

[surreal hazel]

Learn the telegraph

He always spins it clockwise because of course he does

It's got a clear tell where he throws the scythe upwards

[torpid ginkgo]

i think i'm just in the middle of dodging 2 or 3 other things every time he does it tbh. as far as i can remember i can rarely afford to focus on him while he does it. maybe i can pick up on the audio que

[main hatch]

Quick question

Does Prominence Flare from Apollo have prerequisets I don't know about? Because it feels like I can never get it to show up no matter how hard I try. I know it's still in the game, I got it right before ||Prometheus|| last time, long after I'd given up on building for it.

[magic moss]

you need to have a core cast boon first before it can show up

[main hatch]

That's the one that dazes and damages right?

[blissful sphinx]

sometimes when he throws his scythe I just stand still in front of him lol

[magic moss]

literally any core cast boon works

[uneven palm]

Yeah like you can learn the tell but the easiest thing is to just not stand on top of him. If you’re approaching him, pause a beat. Let him chuck it around you

[wintry idol]

based nickname 🤝

[main hatch]

Yassss
Nemesis my beloved <3

[steel sequoia]

there are 3 boons that only appears after you get any cast boon, proeminence flare from apollo, geyser spout from poseidon and rousing reception from hera

[main hatch]

Interesting

Good to know!

And what about the Apollo/Zeus duo?

Inknow it needs Prominence Flar, but what's the other one?

[cursive oyster]

any zeus core

[main hatch]

Cool

[cursive oyster]

most duos just require any core

[main hatch]

That's what I thought.

It's also feels easier to get duos than in Hades 1, which is really nice.

[cursive oyster]

yeag, a lot of duo prerequisites were widened in patch 3 which helped

[blissful sphinx]

I thought local climate also required a cast boon

[cursive oyster]

nope

[wind trellis]

Mind if I show a build I recently managed to put together?

[wintry idol]

You can always share builds here!

[bold jay]

with Momus + Lucid Gain, will I gain magick for each repeat cast?

(seems like the answer is yes)

[wispy bloom]

I just need to complete 20 darkness to complete the Argent Skull. Any build suggestions?

[tall notch]

Hera attack + Zeus special on the Medea aspect. The build plays itself on low fear because you are just going to nuke everything

[next prairie]

Im trying an aphrodite build on the torchs and its the most broken and dumb build I have played yet,aphro on attack and special + triple comets and it melts everything I also use eos' aspect. Any advice to upgrade it?

[cursive oyster]

on eos i’d consider using hera’s special over aphrodite’s, the hitch really helps with crowd control and aphro special requires you to follow the daybreaker around to get the damage bonus

[harsh skiff]

for tranquail gain when it says being inactive restores magik does it mean not attacking or do you have to also stand still

[cursive oyster]

you have to do both

[blissful sphinx]

ok I found a path of stars that actually works

dark side with the attack boon path of stars actually applies the attack boon on every hit

[cursive oyster]

a lot of paths actually work

[sage flame]

unironically im glad to see selene if I have a build that uses magick

and actively seek out path of stars

one or two can do a lot for a run

[cursive oyster]

yeag

moon beam is a based keepsake

[blissful sphinx]

a lot of them dont:( especially those that add your attack/special/cast/dash to your hex

[torpid ginkgo]

the one that just blasts an area for like 1000 damage has won me a run two times now. just get a build that can spam out and regen mana as fast as possible and any time chronos is going to stand still for a few seconds its free massive damage

untelated but on the surface i've started using the keepsake that makes a boon heroic in the first area. the way it is laid out makes it extremely easy to get a specific boon you want as heroic by using rerolls. just started a run with the passive 25% dodge chance boon 😂

[sage flame]

thats been my favorite since the beginning

[torpid ginkgo]

its a super fun way to start a build. i kinda want to focus on picking up other dodge chance boons but honestly i barely care what the end build looks like at this point, as long as its decent. its just nice to onow you have a solid core boon to play off of at all

[sage flame]

vibes 10/10 and its good cause it insta casts is just free dps and sometimes you get invuln out of the path of stars

[torpid ginkgo]

oh you meant the first thing 😂

[sage flame]

yeah the eclipse hex lol

[uneven palm]

Total Eclipse goes real hard stacking upgrades

[willow phoenix]

I know the wolf howl doesn't work for some sprint, what else doesn't?

Most of it works tbh from my memory. Some are buggy to specific boons only. Someone is updating the wiki on these interactions so go check it out.

Oh can't confirm for the revenge boons because I rarely ever got both revenge boons and revenge hex upgrade with how rare they are. Kinda a bad upgrade unless they add revenge boons to most gods

[vital plover]

So how do axe builds work? I can do a good run with the flames but axe feels so foreign and kind of high skill cap to learn how to use

[blissful sphinx]

I haven't managed to get any dash boon work with the wolf howl path of stars. I know also lunar ray's attack boon path of star doesn't work, or at least it only applies the attack boon on the very first hit of lunar ray

revenge boon path of stars seem to work for me

[willow phoenix]

Wolf howl only works with dash that applies curse right now. It's stupid tbh as even if it works it's still super weak

[blissful sphinx]

doesnt work with hitch nor vent

[willow phoenix]

It works with aphro and apollo for example

[blissful sphinx]

that's good to know! but rather useless then 😅

[willow phoenix]

Yea it doesn't work with the damage ones, don't know why

[blissful sphinx]

I was so bummed out when I tried attack boon with lunar ray

it's so impractical the way it is right now

[willow phoenix]

I tried it with hera and I think it worked? It looked like it worked with how much damage it dealt and applied hitch

[blissful sphinx]

I tried it with hestia and posseidon and both would only apply a single tick of scorch/wave at the beginning

zeus is the only worthwhile one I found yet

[willow phoenix]

Hera or apollo seems amazing on ray tbh, if you get the triple ray too you just melt everything

[blissful sphinx]

it multiplies the damage of the lunar ray?

[willow phoenix]

Should be, or the lunar ray does enough damage on its own lol

[blissful sphinx]

I kinda wish it worked with every god tbh

[willow phoenix]

Yea that's why I wish they just remove it lol, make it less reliant on god boons

[blissful sphinx]

yeah it seems buggy after all, maybe best to find a better path of stars

at least dark side works very well

[willow phoenix]

I like dark side special more tbh, the crit one is insane

You deal so much damage

[blissful sphinx]

I never tried that path of stars I'd be curious

now pair that with aphro special 🤔

[willow phoenix]

Dark side special works with the edge of the ring dealing damage

So I don't think aphro would be that good, Hera or Apollo should be better

[blissful sphinx]

apollo would be good yeah, second best % modifier after aphro I think

[willow phoenix]

If you keep the enemy on the edge, it'll keep dealing damage

So with Hera you can wipe out rooms with it

[blissful sphinx]

oooh that's good yeah

so yeah tldr path of stars is bugged with wolf howl and lunar ray, other hexes seem fine tho

huge fan of twilight curse, especially with orchestration

night bloom is pretty good too, altho I wish the path of stars could let you summon one or two more revenants

[willow phoenix]

One think I wish would change about dark side is the omega cast upgrade, too niche right now

Maybe with more omega cast boons it'd be better

[blissful sphinx]

lmao the omega cast upgrade has to he an oversight

slap geyser spout on it and boom

[willow phoenix]

Yea that's why it's too niche

Otherwise an end node upgrade for a free omega cast is just so weak lol

[willow phoenix]

Night bloom is deceptively strong, but I find enemy summons just so boring tbh lol. I'd prefer it to be a special unit thing, like some spirit animals or something

[torpid ginkgo]

so uhhh is dodge chance bugged? or does combining it with daze have some wierd math? i had 40% dodge chance and was putting daze on almost everything i was fighting, i was letting myself take hits just to test out how well it worked and i got hit like 20+ times in a row without a single dodge proccing. would have been pretty annoying if i was trying to finish the run and not screwing around lol

[willow phoenix]

Where's the 40% from? I don't know the exact mechanic but dodge chance most likely doesn't stack additively. It could have its own formula, it might not even stack at all and instead worked independently.

[blissful sphinx]

the real mvp is sun worshipper, that duo boon is busted man

last run I did 24 fear and it was my highest damage dealer in the win screen lmao

[torpid ginkgo]

it was additive in H1 so i just assumed. no clue how daze factor in when you have any dodge though. it was 25% from the hermes boon and 15% from wispy wiles. even just with the 25% though getting hit that many times in a row without a miss is anomalous

[willow phoenix]

Hmm hard to tell. It could be buggy, insane bad luck, or intended. Might be worth reporting tbh

It's hard to notice dodges tbh so I never really paid attention if it ever did its job.

Might need to dig some code to figure out the mechanics

[vital plover]

Geez getting offered 3 really bad hexes really sucks

[bleak night]

Which ones did they give

[willow phoenix]

You just need to commit enough resources into the hex that it becomes good

Most hex scales really well. Some require more investment than others

[vital plover]

It was like the life one, raise dead guy and the morph one

Whenever I get a run with dark side or the lunar nuke, I can kill chronos pretty easily via nuking him from orbit. But not with any of those hexes

[solid pendant]

hi, simple question: do things that increase damage of e.g. attack or special (like the huntress arcana) also increase the damage of their relevant omega attacks?

[willow phoenix]

Nope

If it increases both it'll say attacks/specials, not just attack/special. You can hover to be sure

[solid pendant]

ahh, thanks. trying to figure out my arcana loadout for momus

[willow phoenix]

Moon water (heal) can be very strong for boss fights although it needs upgrades. You can get to chronos with something like 15+ moon waters that deals omega cast and restores any damage received in last few seconds.

[solid pendant]

does the Furies increased damage for units in your cast also apply when your omega cast goes off

[willow phoenix]

I'm not actually sure tbh lol, but you can test this with skelly easily

[solid pendant]

oh! i forgot about him after he was replaced with that no-good schelemaus fellow

wow it actually does.

not sure how balanced hitting him for 1161 damage with a single omega cast is though...

...and i didn't have momus on so that was a single hit...

[willow phoenix]

Another reason why charon is so strong

[solid pendant]

does charon get bonus crit?

[willow phoenix]

From death? No, unless you manually cast the omega cast for the local climate build

Momus doesn't give death crit on the repeating move too, only the first one iirc

Best build for omega cast with death is probably something like mel staff with geyser spout

[solid pendant]

oh boo i always thought momus got death crit

[solid pendant]

ok yeah somehow i never put the right stuff on momus and just thought "this is really good" instead of "this is ridiculously powerful"

i think hitting skelly for over 1000 damage is probably as much of a litmus test as you need

[bold jay]

I think axe can be the most braindead tbh. Charon, good gain boon, (zeus/apollo/hera), then just spam cast + omega special. Stay far away from enemies, use walls since the omega special goes through them.

My earliest wins were with axe and doing this (not even with Charon; just the same strategy with the regular axe)

it used to be even easier since charging the special even blocked for you. but even without it, you're just pretty far from enemies most of the time so you don't take much damage

[bleak night]

That's true lol

[bleak night]

You need a rundown? I can probably help out with it.

[sage flame]

step 1: get seething marauder

or the dash attack one

[bold jay]

I hope prometheus clicks soon. I've done his fight a couple times and it's pretty rough.

[sage flame]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

this helped me a lot, just knowing how his combos work

[uneven palm]

#h2-feedback message @blazing seal they’re supposed to be unreasonably fast to teach you to cast to keep them off you

[blazing seal]

oh, I didn't think about that thanks

[uneven palm]

A cast keeps them away, ranged move like staff or blades special interrupts the screaming (if they don’t have armor)

Rule of thumb in this one if something seems unreasonable you probably aren’t casting enough

[uneven palm]

For Mel axe get a big percentage attack. Apollo, Hera, Aphro all good. I like adding Demeter to freeze things so they’re easier to chop. Basic combo to go for is dash-strike, 2 attacks, special, repeat. Avoid the big final chop unless you’re comfy with it or it’s safe. Special nearly any time to cancel out of an attack animation. Best hammer is Dashing Heave.

[torpid ginkgo]

imho i feel like their attack range being nerfed would work better, or both just like 1-5%. they are significantly more annoying to me than the guys in the fields of mourning that just slowly charge at you, which seems odd for being in the first area

[bleak night]

I think the banshee enemies are fine because they do really low damage, but if anything should be nerfed about them then I'd say it's the turn rate.

Your only real options are to stagger by outranging or using a ranged tool, slow them with Cast and wait for them to stop screaming, or running away. Dashing through should be an option for melee

[spare kite]

Also ban them from getting the impervious fangs lol (if they aren't gonna remove it)

[uneven palm]

Yeah I agree. Dashing through should be more viable.

[idle lodge]

Does anyone else think that from Cerci boons, familiar buff and arcana level-up is nothing compared to +15% dodge and move speed? Which circe buffs do you like to get?

[magic moss]

Vow of Time Removed

[spare kite]

I tend to pick pet buff the most

[idle lodge]

Why? I don’t see how it’s useful, but I don’t think I understand exactly what it does

[spare kite]

It doubles their extra abilities for example frinos's hp bonus

Is fun to have when playing with strength cuz you effectively get like 160 hp

[idle lodge]

Hmm ok yeah i did think about that. Thought it boosted pets attack. That’s interesting

[spare kite]

8% passive crit from raki also funny

And if you really want mana you can get 120 mana from hecuba lol

[solar spear]

Vow of Time Removed

[stable lichen]

is it just me or do i never get hammer starts

[cursive oyster]

do you use god keepsakes?

[torpid ginkgo]

idk if this is the channel for this but what are you supposed to do against eris' shotgun blast spam attack? its the only one i can't reliably dodge and i'm confused what im expected to do lol. i mostly just dodge every other one and tank the rest, unless i can get behind her. but she often gets up against a wall so getting near her at all just makes it worse

[spare kite]

Dash through her side to side if she's against a wall

She has a slow turn rate while firing

[sage flame]

you can use the pillars for cover too, if youre closer to those

[stable lichen]

wait, god keepsakes prevent hammers from spawning chamber 1?

they definitely didnt in H1

guess they changed it huh

[uneven palm]

Yeah, God or Selene keepsake start will prevent a Hammer start

[spare kite]

Do hammers even spawn c1 here w/o god keepsake

Also remind me on why they added hermes to the c1 pool

[cursive oyster]

yes

[stable lichen]

wat

never had that

[spare kite]

If you don't use one of these hermes can spawn c1

[coral sable]

so. arctic ring + gale + hail storm + glorious disaster + tropical cyclone + prom flare + super nova + double strike + lightning lance + cold storage. that has to be the best possible cast in the game yeah? i can't believe i got all of those. (lost to chronos anyway since i was near death pretty much the whole time in tart)

[tall notch]

Vow of Time Removed

[vital plover]

Wow so the surface is.... much much harder than regular huh?

[bleak night]

Yeah lol

[vital plover]

So what is the deal with Eris? I BARELY beat her every time..... which has been 2. I just take a megaton of damage there

Honestly not sure if i'm even interested in doing surface. Seems so much harder than underworld I'm not sure if I can even do it with maxed out stuff and all

[bleak night]

She has a bad turnrate so stay behind her outside of when the grenades come out

Especially when she does the shotgun burst rounds, she has an even more terrible turnrate, dash through her and slightly move as you attack to ensure the spread at the very edge never gets to you

If she does the purple shot, you can stay far away so you have a better time to react, or you can have her shoot one of the two pillars that are there for you to hide behind

If you have Soot Sprint, the purple shot is just insta negated

[vital plover]

Oh so u can outrange it basically

Had no clue what to do there when I used the 2 pillars. Also why is charybdis the elite in the rift lol???? That seems so much harder of a fight than any other elite encounter

[bleak night]

Not quite, you can have it take longer to get to you that you have more time to react to the sound of it firing

Also Charyb is an annoying fight yeah

They need to introduce an armour based elite fight there

[vital plover]

or just have charyb be the main fight of that zone

[surreal hazel]

Fun fact, if you take Medea's Enfeeblement of cowards and Hermes' Hard Target, they do stack (Probably multiplicatively)

this makes Eris laughable, and many of Prometheus' attacks become duds

even the flame waves move slower and become basically reactable if you're stood in the middle lane

[bold jay]

I had a lot of trouble with Eris too

IMHO the main thing is to simply dodge the sniper shots without using the pillar - it's not that hard, and even if you screw up the damage isn't the end of the world.
Save the pillars for the rest of the fight. It feels cheesy but you can honestly just stand behind the pillar every time Eris damage boosts herself. When she approaches, drop omega cast and other abilities that are aoe or go through the pillar

The sniper is the only thing that can destroy the pillar, which is a bit counterintuitive. But yeah, dodge snipers, abuse pillars the rest of the fight. Haven't lost to her since I started doing that

[solar spear]

Vow of Time Removed

[bleak night]

Vow of Time Removed

[solar spear]

Vow of Time Removed

[stable lichen]

hi echo

[silent crow]

hi echo

[vital plover]

Maybe i'm just bad but with axe builds it seems real hard to do any real damage to her

[vital whale]

do yal been using mods? cause I saw some in Vic boasting with too perfect of a build

[sage flame]

I personally don't, but people do use mods but it's not an officially supported thing

[spare kite]

or is people just posting the interesting builds

[vital whale]

true that

but I rarely get offered the right boons to build upon, unless I use rerolls (or am strangely and uncharacteristically lucky)

[sage flame]

rerolls are the way to get specific builds tbf

usually

[vital whale]

yes

[vital plover]

Do people be beatin prometheus with axe builds? If so.... how? Do you just learn his entire moveset and become dodge god and get in close for 1 or 2 melee swings? He has VERY little openings for any sort of melee attacking

[spare kite]

face tank

[vital plover]

Lol uh

[vital whale]

I did beat him on multpile runs with different aspects as well. Most of the time I used Than, but recently defeated him with Charon. I generally dash while hitting. Try to build as much health as you can and a lot of dmg...oh I once defeated him with the big chopper build, using Apollo atk and the two times atk boons. that was fun.

[vital plover]

Ah, I don't have aspects even unlocked yet. Yet to get any adamant from Olympus

[vital whale]

ah right, you trying to unlock them after the Olimpic Update...too bad :S

I unlocked them all (except Than) before the update

Than used to need Darkness and I only had found one...damn resource. Now I'm founding a lot more...now that I don't need it ahahah

[uneven palm]

Knowing his moveset does help a lot! https://youtu.be/vr3VfMbkqmo?si=vpW3OpD-yi3ruqla What axespect do you like I probably have a video of it

Oh you don’t have aspects yet… lemme dig up some Mel Axe clears

Basically Dashing Heave is your bestie

[bold jay]

i haven't beaten prometheus (skill issue) but axe does plenty of damage - i've beaten everything else with it very easily.

In particular, Charon with Apollo gain for example - it's really simple

Stay far away from enemy - cast - Omega special - repeat

Omega special does a lot of damage, and it triggers your omega cast for free - which is more damage.
It's all long range, huge AoE, and you'll keep regaining magick from Apollo gain (there's obviously other gain boons you can use)

[vital whale]

Ye, with Charon you want to get Apollo or Poseidon's Rings cause those are better off when exploding

[bold jay]

I kinda feel like (personally), once you get some meta progression hades 2 is a little easier than hades, mostly because of the existence of magick and omega moves (but also cast in general).
Like, Charon's cast + omega special can basically be a spammable, screen clearing monstrosity with like 2-3 boons. I feel like in hades you had to work a little harder to have something that strong.
On the flip side, the final boss fights Chronos/Prometheus feel harder to me - there's just so much happening at once - it's really hard to track. And this is without even extreme measures.

[vital plover]

I bet it's probably a lot easier when I get weapon aspects lol

I just can't survive for super long in Olympus otherwise, was my 3rd visit to Olympus and just barely made it to prometheus

[vital whale]

Not sure I agree,I find Hades II harder than first one personally. More monsters damage me, I have harder time being good with some weapons and the bosses are definitely harder to handle (maybe not Chronos, but Prometheus fo'sure!)

[vital whale]

Mel aspect is good on Axe, just focus on dmg and helath since it boosts those as well

[bold jay]

yeah, you can do the same strategy with Mel Axe. Just don't use Apollo gain. You won't get the Omega Cast detonations but you can still drop Cast to keep you safe.
The omega special with a good % pom still does monstrous damage, with huge range and aoe

idk, you just have so many more tools in hades 2. And now they also upgraded the dash quite a bit - it's nearly as nimble as hades 1. You just don't have two of them.

But cast in itself is already huge - just have to remember to use it. In Hades I think like more than half of builds barely used cast at all - just lodge it in bosses for a damage bonus.

[hardy depot]

Is this the channel I should go in If i have questions about how to get a better speedrun time?

[tacit mason]

Any advice on how to use the skulls? I do not have a winning combo or build with them yet

[hardy depot]

Persephone Aspect, Aphrodite Special. Zeus Cast

[uneven palm]

@vital plover Here's a 32F Mel Axe run on the surface. This isn't the greatest axe gameplay I was rusty here but it should give you an idea of how to lay down the hurt with the axe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSoeS_JfBXw

[uneven palm]

You have aspects? Persephone is an easy build (Zeus cast, Hera special, Twisting Crash is best hammer), and Medea is just strong (Zeus special, any +% attack, Demeter or Heph for some safety). For Mel Skulls, Bolstered Array is the hammer you want. Bonk with skulls up close so you're not chasing them down or whiffing.

[tacit mason]

Have the aspects and maxed out but since the patch I have not had any good runs with skulls

[uneven palm]

Sure thing. Persephone's loop looks like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp16hRKHc0Y and Medea's loop is rapid attack + special like so https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZE_bWqJlE0

[uneven palm]

Ask away, but the dedicated speedrun discord might be more what you're after https://discord.gg/scVyAK4b

[hardy depot]

ok, Ill use that then, Thans

[vital whale]

I really can't use Medea properly

[bleak night]

Just saw someone in there with 56 grasp lol

[uneven palm]

Medea rewards enemy movement and attack knowledge probably more than any other aspect

It gets better as you do tbh

[cursive oyster]

fun fact that is exactly enough grasp to activate every arcana card

[nimble lichen]

but, thats what rerolls are for

getting the boons that you want

[tacit mason]

As soon as I read that Medea Skull functions like that one shield from Hades 1 everything made sense

Zeus Special, Aphrodite Attack, hammer to trigger omega attacks, got me my fastest surface clear of 17 minutes!

[vital plover]

What general use keepsakes do y'all like to use? I find myself almost always just defaulting to chaos or arache's, or evil eye for a boss

[tacit mason]

hammer at the fields or olympus for the extra weapon upgrade

evil eye for boss and selene keepsake for moon upgrades

[vital plover]

Why those specific zones? Just for the end bosses?

[tacit mason]

Maxed out hammer exhausts after 20 encounters so it gives you a weapon upgrade for Cerberus and Cronos in underworld and Prometheus and whoever the final boss will be for surface

[vital plover]

ohhh I see

Does it not last from thessaly to prometheus?

[tacit mason]

it would but on thessaly I either want a specific god to round things out or selene to powerup a hex

[vital plover]

Finally beat prometheus, 2nd time ever getting to him

Still yet to get a single piece of the dark resource

[bold jay]

Does the Zeus cast charge the special super fast because of the lightning damage repeating?

[uneven palm]

It charges it decently. Omega cast with Night spikes it up

[bold jay]

I tried Persephone a bit and it felt a little meh before. Guess I should give this a go. What is Night, sorry?

[torpid ginkgo]

i always forget the name of it, but the one that makes your next fountain turn a boon heroic. i always start with it and manipulate with rerolls to make sure my only common boon(s) are ones i would like to try making a build around. usually a core attack/special boon but sometimes other fun stuff like hermes attack speed buff etc.

[uneven palm]

Night is Arcana. bonus power on the omega cast

[torpid ginkgo]

after that i often use the curved stone just to snag a free random boon, or a god specific one if i want to synergize with my heroic boon somehow

[uneven palm]

It’s fun. Omega cast a crowd to build glory, then do an extra long Omega special to mop up. Bonk with skulls in any downtime. Twisting Crash is the best hammer by a lot but all the special ones are good

[vital plover]

Ah the narcissus one

[bold jay]

I misread the artemis trinket as saying you can only gain 30 max life. Rather than reducing you to 30 life.

Single handedly ruined my run

[uneven palm]

Die and learn

[bold jay]

that trinket seems pretty awful unless it vastly improves with level

the crit chance keeps going up but it stays 30 health

[bleak night]

It improves with skill level, honestly. Not much else to it. Just do a ton more damage in exchange for dying quickly, though you might want armour while running it

I run it on 50-55 a fair bit if I need the timer

[bold jay]

crazy. I guess for people at super high skill level who just need more damage it makes sense

[tall notch]

Do you run it in like fields? I know people used to antler tart but now fig leaf is superior if you win the gamble

[past salmon]

Antler fields is speedrun strats
Idk when you ever run antler for regular timer unless surface ig?
But I don't think Antler even helps that much for timer surface the problem isn't usually time to kill enemies its normally endless enemies/rooms

[surreal hazel]

that infuriating delay you get between waves sometimes

[uneven palm]

I did Antler fields on my last 50F Persephone run but I had like 120 armor

[torpid ginkgo]

idk what channel it was but someone here was talking about using the medea boon and eris boon stacked to reduce enemy projectile speed and use that against eris. idk why but it didn't work. i had hermes boon at heroic so it was 40% and 60%. i doubt the bonus is additive but her shots were not slowed a noticeable amount at all.

[uneven palm]

It might only slow the sniper?

I think also the bomb dropping takes longer

[torpid ginkgo]

the only thing i wanted it to effect was the shotgun blast lol

[gaunt coyote]

Question: does this game have the same mechanic as H1 where the game really wants you to have 2 hammers by the final boss? Not sure if my old Strat of putting of hammers for select rooms is still valid

[twilit timber]

Yeah pretty much similar to h1

If you avoid hammer rooms they will turn up again or end up in shops and stuff

[gaunt coyote]

Perfect, ty

[twilit timber]

Usually you will have hammer 1 by end of biome 2 pretty much all the time except rarely, and then hammer 2 you will usually get in biome 3. Ofc there will be the occasional run you won't have any hammers because you skipped/didn't buy

[gaunt coyote]

Got it. Similar question for Hermes, still capped at 2 per run? Or has that changed?

[twilit timber]

Uhh I haven't paid attention but I kind of feel he shows up more frequently? Might still be capped at 2 but him just showing up with higher probability

But honestly unlike H1 I usually only want 1 Hermes boon, his impact isn't as big as it was in h1

Rarest reward now seems to be poms, I am always fishing for more poms

[gaunt coyote]

Yeah Hermes definitely seems more common, just curious

[gaunt coyote]

So for weapon aspects, does h2 have any “one-blood wonders” like in H1? Stuff like how Hera bow used to be, where the base effect was so strong that the upgrades were just icing on the cake. Wondering where I should be spending my resources early on for weapon upgrades

Same question but for Mel aspects too, any that are renowned to be slappers?

[uneven palm]

Artemis blades is good at level 1. Charon axe is just strong as well. Medea skull starts decently strong as well.

At low levels, Mel Blades are good. The other Mel aspects need a few levels to start standing out IMO

[magic moss]

if you dont bother playing with omegas, level 1 mel staff has equal power with all 3 level 5 aspects lol

[past salmon]

Mini stop advocating for playing lame

[uneven palm]

That’s true as a hammer stick they’re identical

[past salmon]

I'm part of the "please god use the aspect I swear its more fun" team

[magic moss]

lfg

[stable lichen]

i kinda like default torches just because it's the only torch with long range omega attack spam

that doesnt require any upgrades since that only buffs omega specials

[magic moss]

been a “play the aspect please” believer since day 1

[uneven palm]

2 Hermes per run, although you can buy a 3rd in the underworld final shop or do some shenanigans on the surface with Hermes shrines to get 3 too sometimes

[past salmon]

oh wait
I'm lying
I have an exception
Screw using specials on mel Torches @magic moss

[magic moss]

god so true actually

[stable lichen]

i actually love how mel torches is designed

it's basically an aspect offering a completely different playstyle on its own compared to the other 2

not just the 'default'

[magic moss]

its aspect upgrade is not good tho and me no likey

[past salmon]

Torches are my favourite overall weapon
Which is impressive considering the bonus of Mel does nothing

[stable lichen]

oh yeah definitely not

i wish they'd switch it to "buff omega attack" or something

to fully embrace the long range omega attack spam

[magic moss]

god that would actually make mel torches so strong lmao

[stable lichen]

i mean it could be like 5% per level

[uneven palm]

I’m the only lunatic that likes stacking a bunch of o specials on Mel torches I guess

[stable lichen]

hell, just let it give you more max magic for more spamming

[stable lichen]

the only time i do that is when i get romantic spark with zeus special ngl

[past salmon]

idk it just isn't very fun to me
I absolutely love torch movement while attacking aswell and I don't get that while spamming O-Special so

[stable lichen]

if i wanna use omega specials moros is right there

it isnt the same but still

[uneven palm]

They last like entire waves and you can do other stuff while they’re out. It’s nearly free damage

The best kind of damage

[magic moss]

its just counteractive to its omega attack. The omega attack encourages long range combat but the aspect upgrade encourages a closer range combat similar to moros but without the dps to justify it

[stable lichen]

it is free damage but i still like the long range omega attack spam more ig

oh man imagine divine flourish/strike in H2

[uneven palm]

I also just play them up close like bad Moros

[stable lichen]

huh

i find that it's somehow one of the closest things to H1 hestia because there arent many strictly long range aspects in the game

actually thats not a great comparison because hestia is burst damage

but in terms of 'how far you keep away from the enemies' i find that i play it similar to hestia

i still remember my very first clear of the game was torches with blood line and weed killer

i had unseen on (because i thought it was good since i was very new) and like heroic born gain or something

[uneven palm]

Like if you wanna see how I play here’s my 50F with Mel Torches https://youtu.be/9SR5YoORwOI?si=QD1bArYlwB8IY6hd where O special was like 1/3 my damage and here’s a 32F YOLO run https://youtu.be/gVYmj9cLGuw?si=-zV3E6-SaVYlfnOF where O specials were the biggest damage dealer

[stable lichen]

this is unironically such a versatile aspect especially for a base aspect

[uneven palm]

Yeah anything is fine on attack/special more or less

[gaunt coyote]

General suggestions on building for the Black Coat? Seems like a good all-rounder but I'm still new, unsure of what to be gunning for where. Using Mel aspect

Looking to build into spamming attacks and missiles with good priv-stat uptime and unga bunga around like zag shield days of yore. This weapon doesnt seem to rely too much on heavy magic use? Unless I'm misusing it

[sage flame]

blitz attack unga bunga

[gaunt coyote]

Lovely, thank you. What suits best for the missiles? Aphro? Posiedon? Hestia?? Assuming i can cover the other half of pstat with dash or cast

[waxen garden]

I like Hera on special

[gaunt coyote]

Speaking of, any general "best" dashes and casts? Demeter cast seems very strong, not sure what the great sprint boons are really

[waxen garden]

I really like Apollo sprint

[uneven palm]

No it’s not a big magick aspect. Optimal rotation is special attack attack but you can also spam specials. Hera, Poseidon, Zeus all great on special but anything’s ok. Honestly just about anything on attack is fine too.

[gaunt coyote]

sounds like old shield lol, thank you for the advice

[waxen garden]

IMO skulls are a bit more like the old shield

but the new weapons are all kind of remixed versions of the old ones

I recently picked up Hades 1 again so it's been interesting to see how they compare

[sage flame]

apollo, dem sprints are good, and even zeus sprint can be good if ur not using magick for anything else, also heph sprint if you have nothing else is nice

[uneven palm]

Casts are Demeter and Zeus are great, the ones with a curse also good, and Heph and Poseidon casts exist

[magic moss]

FINALLY LFG I DONT NEED TO BOOT UP H2 EVERY SINGLE TIME

[gaunt coyote]

Speaking of Hef, what exactly do you do with him? Pom attack and pray? He seems so..... feast or famine with how his cooldown mechanics work. Does he compliment any gods or weapons well or do you kinda just stick him on the attack button you're not using for an occasional bonk? His regen seems awful, his cast mid, and i can't even work out how to activate his dash

I feel like i have to be missing something with him in particular

[cursive oyster]

heph is valuable because his support boons offer insane survivability. his core boons are all niche, but work best when placed on whichever of your attack or special you use less often as a burst damage option. if you absolutely want to build him for damage get a high rarity attack, pom grand caldera to the moon, and look for apollo cast, hestia anything, aphro anything, and shameless attitude. the duos you can build into then are heph/apollo, heph/hestia, and heph/aphro

[gaunt coyote]

Ok, thank you!

[gaunt coyote]

Whoo boy, romantic spark is ME 2.0 isn't it

[cursive oyster]

mostly just use him as an armor dispenser

[cursive oyster]

yep try getting toasting fork with it for a fun bug

[gaunt coyote]

ty. I've had insane runs with his attack/specials but it revolves entirely around poms which makes it hit or miss

[stable lichen]

huh, what does that do

i never use toasting fork because its so bad

is there actually a point to toasting fork normally

[cursive oyster]

there is a bug with rs where the blitz hit from sprinting counts as it expiring without doing damage, meaning toasting fork decides to cause blitz to hit again after the first hit

[stable lichen]

holy thats broken

[cursive oyster]

yup

[stable lichen]

welp, guess im picking up toasting fork more often then

ive picked it like once for the prophecy and thats it

[cursive oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1260985101269991456/1315118264371642409/image.png?ex=676610d3&is=6764bf53&hm=549ad39ae80523095cd45b83975a1f9a7938368ca856d7d6fc236e7613b7c121&
you can pull off shenanigans like this

[stable lichen]

lmfao

they somehow made merciful end 2 even better than regular ME

[cursive oyster]

anyway sgg if you read this instead of fixing the bug can you make toasting fork into a completely different boon please and thank you :)

[stable lichen]

what even is the point of toasting fork aside from this niche but hilariously overpowered interaction

like i feel like it just incentivises you not to proc blitz?

unless im missing something big

[cursive oyster]

no it just sucks

[sage flame]

toasting fork should give aoe to blitz when it activates trust

[stable lichen]

fuse that and electric overload?

[uneven palm]

I like to start with his special so you can boost the rarity and add Poms early. Then add the other Fire gods (Apollo/Hestia) who have good duos with Heph, decent attacks for off-blast time, and you can get Slow Cooker from Hestia for more power on everything. https://youtu.be/W7CFlNBJnYo?si=eqyJRiOV2Q-oOuV8

[sage flame]

f it and put it with thermal dynamics too at this point

[cursive oyster]

what if electric overload split chain lightning in two when it hits a blitzed target

[sage flame]

would be funny I think:)

[cursive oyster]

also very broken

[stable lichen]

how about your blitz has a longer time before it hits/more damage threshold needed but deals more damage

[cursive oyster]

impending doom two

[stable lichen]

lmao i just realised oops

well i mean we have ME 2 why not impending doom 2

how do you people feel about shocking loss

i dont particularly like it

i miss splitting bolt

[tall notch]

Toasting fork should make you toasts irl

[stable lichen]

king tide just sends a tsunami to your actual location

[uneven palm]

s'mores would be good

[spare kite]

It sure exists

I like the flavor text tho

[gaunt coyote]

ok, aspect of medea. I know the loop goes load-dash-boom, what to slot on attack/special for biggest booms?

Aphro feels obvious but i wasnt sure if there were any other busted combos to shoot for

[junior trail]

zeus on attack is pretty good, also if use deme on special you can aim for hail storm

double strike works on both blitz and bolt

[gaunt coyote]

Sweet, thx

[cursive oyster]

current meta is zeus special, followed by any % based attack. you should be doing enough damage to pop your blitz with just one attack, leading to big damage numbers

[junior trail]

oh, so its better to aim for deme or aphro on attack? i swear i've only seen zeus on attack but its good to know!

[uneven palm]

Yeah Zeus special is ideal.

Although you can roll with whatever on Medea. Maxed out you’re already starting at like +90% on attack/special so it starts at good. If there was a like an Epic Zeus attack vs common special I might take the attack

[gaunt coyote]

Wowowowow this aspect gets it. I might even beat prometheus

[bleak night]

Which aspect ?

[gaunt coyote]

Medea

[bleak night]

Ah, yeah that's a fun one.

[gaunt coyote]

I lost 1 DD, the bonus i got from Athena. I'd only ever previously beaten him by the skin of my teeth. JFC

Never even picked up a magic gain boon lmao. Load-dash-kaboom

[bleak night]

Yeah it functions without magic for the most part, only needs it for that one hammer that does damage when you pick up Skulls

[uneven palm]

I hate when I get offered Possessed in like Fields after I’ve primed my whole magick bar away

[vital plover]

yea I don't think i'm interested in trying to kill prometheus with axe build in any fashion

I don't like the axe special at all, takes forever to frickin use, and you can just NOT go toe to toe melee with the man

[gaunt coyote]

axe special is the one spot i plonk Hef special down every time if i find it, hardly touch the button otherwise

[bleak night]

Yeah you can lol

[vital plover]

I've also played with the mana regen arcana card SOOOO often that I tried a build without it and just...... insta died

[vital plover]

you might be able too if you're actually good at video games

[bleak night]

You just need to actually wait out his attacks before going in

You don't have the +attack speed vow on, so he should have a fair amount of pause between actions

Have you tried using Charon instead? Might be better, run Silver Wheel for Olympus

Someone was struggling on 32F surface, first timed Charon, won it immediately by Silver Wheeling Olympus

[vital plover]

Charon is axe special build right? God I do be hating the axe special

[bleak night]

You can dash while doing the Omega Special

https://imgur.com/WZUtt7k

[bleak night]

should I do a quick run actually, if you wanna see how it works ?

[past salmon]

Mynt "I'm not addicted" Karamell

[bleak night]

haven't played in a while, been playing Ys and Ori lol

[past salmon]

Ori bangs

[bleak night]

ye I got the bundle

Command and Conquer games are also at like 85% off

[past salmon]

I'm not the biggest fan of RTS

[bleak night]

I think Red Alert 2 is fun

bad at the multiplayer, but the campaigns are well made

[gaunt coyote]

So on the subject of companions, is there a most popular choice? I can't put the bird down, having a free big PP from chamber 1 is just too good an offer

[stable lichen]

frinos is nice especially for strength since you get a bunch of hp and you can avoid the sheep bullet

hecuba for magic spam

toula for emotional support

[torpid ginkgo]

toula because i hate the fishing minigame

[gaunt coyote]

That’s frinos for me. That spirit minigame can shove it

Speaking of fishing, the mechanics haven’t changed have they? Maximum of 3 false bobs before the catch must proc? I swear I got scammed the other day by 4 false bobs, but I could be crazy

[stable lichen]

they definitely changed the initial bob

[twilit timber]

Man I just had a nice run but I realised the hera/zeus duo isn't as funni numbers wise on hera's side

Now I wanna make another run with fists and zeus and get that half of the duo

[mild phoenix]

is there any way to turn off attack at cursor

[velvet pelican]

i feel like the easy answer to this is to play on controller (i refuse to do this as i don’t have one) but there should be an option to do that i feel like. ? Unless if im losing my mind

[mild phoenix]

i'm on kbm

[velvet pelican]

i see lol I checked your roles!

[sage flame]

yeah there's a setting I think, you can change it to attack in the direction you're facing

[mild phoenix]

i see

alright thanks!

[wintry idol]

Folks, echo just robbed me?

is she just like me and does she doesnt know how to count?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246211453313355870/1319788930584805458/image.png?ex=67673cb9&is=6765eb39&hm=271f6f48851421664114fb25d6beb43b287f395b45491cecffbbce87465d7bbd&.
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[rain depot]

it's cause that boon is capped at a 2 sec. cooldown

[wintry idol]

https://tenor.com/view/writhing-seething-absolutely-fed-up-had-it-hatsune-miku-gif-21264504

[rain depot]

it's better for you if it didn't hit it

[wintry idol]

its capped at TWO?!
damn, heph has two hands, let my guy hammer them down

is the cooldown diferent for each weapon?
Cuz just last run I got the atak to level 7

[uneven palm]

Higher rarity has a lower cooldown to start

Weapon doesn’t matter

[wintry idol]

aaaaaaaaah, right!
missed that, thanks

[lost path]

Gameplay question: We're certain Toula's little death defiance disables the Strength Arcana. But are we also certain it disables the Gorgon Amulet?

The tiny icon is different so I'm not totally sure.

[uneven palm]

Yeah, it’s a Defiance-ish

So the amulet won’t work

[lost path]

Okay tyvm! Frinos it is then.

Gonna miss skipping the fishing minigame with Toula</3 No fish for me.

[uneven palm]

Ha yeah I don’t fish without Toula

[lost path]

I get why they'd want to have little differentiating mechanics for different resource nodes but stopping to do the fishing minigame just feels like it disrupts the flow of combat so much.

We'll see whether they change it and to what. Minor thing.

[gaunt coyote]

I love to dig up seeds or pick rocks mid-fight just to disrespect. Shame fishing doesn’t work as well for that

[uneven palm]

I like picking flowers during the Prometheus memory game

[wintry idol]

So... everyone votes for a rework to fishing minigame?

[uneven palm]

Make the cat better so I take her

[wintry idol]

Havin to wait for the bait to get in the circle feels bad.
Like you missed one opportunity and you dont have enough to get it anymore. But you won't know untill the times is up

[willow phoenix]

What if they make it like the stardew valley fishing minigame, then I'd spend more time fishing in the game than fighting lol

Honestly I'd be down if they instead make all the resources collecting a minigame lol. But the fishing being 2 minigames in 1 is kinda annoying, maybe skip the first part.

[willow phoenix]

Maybe separate the resources into big resources that need minigames and normal ones, the big ones only appear at non encounter rooms.

[stable lichen]

wish granted, collecting every single resource (including digging and minor room rewards) becomes a minigame

[willow phoenix]

Imagine every ash, bone, even coins locked behind minigames

[covert abyss]

whats the best special for pan blades, is it poseidon? for the other boons, do i only need to look out for a mana recharge boon? i felt like apollo is good, not sure if others are better

for arcana, is there an optimal setup i should be going for?

also wondering if theres any heat setup to follow since im still getting used to the game lol

[willow phoenix]

Poseidon is the best

For arcana, the best ones when you're starting is what you're comfortable with. This usually means the health ones, magick regen, heal, and so on. For damage with pan, the damage inside cast and origination is nice. As you get better you can start ditching the comfort arcanas for more damage if you want to min max.

Same with fear tbh, unless you're going to aim above 32 fear it usually doesn't really matter, there's a lot of room for preference.

[covert abyss]

i see thanks, i probably want to go for high ish fear but not too high, something like 40 or 45 but not too sure which fear to not take

would it be good to replace the lovers with the artificer? think itll help a lot with combat power

[bleak night]

45 with no Onion and no Wards might be fine

[covert abyss]

okk thanks

[warped stirrup]

what arcana cards should i use if i have 23 grasp?

[bleak night]

I'd beeline towards upgrading Strength and learning to play without Death Defiances as soon as you can

but at that amount of grasp, it's kinda just mix and match city until you have the proper material to upgrade stuff

[warped stirrup]

without?

[bleak night]

Yeah, Strength makes you take half damage

[warped stirrup]

which one is that?

[bleak night]

so it pretty much doubles the value of armour, healing, Centaur Hearts, etc, also it comes with +25% global damage boost

[warped stirrup]

also how do i get a g apple i wannag et that epic boon card

[bleak night]

It's like card number 23

[warped stirrup]

isnt that broken

[bleak night]

the golden apples are from the 2nd surface boss, so uh, you're gated a little atm by progression

[warped stirrup]

oh thtas rip

[bleak night]

You have no revives while playing with this, it only works if you have no Death Defiances

[warped stirrup]

yeah so its one of the other

[bleak night]

Pretty much, yeah. They're 4 grasp cost, so running both is a waste

[warped stirrup]

whast the best keep safe artifcat thing? as in who should i gift the nector things to

[bleak night]

just give everyone nectar as soon as you find them and have no keepsake from them yet, honestly

If you're running low, try not to give anyone a 2nd nectar and save them for people without any yet

[warped stirrup]

everyone?

[bleak night]

Yeah, you can easily get a lot of nectar down the line, that way you have a wide assortment of keepsakes for any situation. Of course, some are better than others, but better have the options. But imo the priority should always be the 8 main gods for keepsakes to start your run off with

You only have 7 gods unlocked atm, I think. The 8th one will show up once you do a surface run.

[warped stirrup]

how do you know?

oh wait as in boons

[bleak night]

wdym >

[bleak night]

oh, it always depends on the weapon and aspect. Some things are better on others.

[warped stirrup]

wait nvm i was being anoob, a js gifted chaos guy

i dont have a fav one but i like the two torches

[bleak night]

Zeus is pretty nice on that weapon, aiming to get Static Shock

also Storm Ring

[warped stirrup]

its so broken

[bleak night]

the best Attack to get on that weapon is from that 8th god you're missing though, but Apollo is a good pick

[warped stirrup]

u js use omega attack and easy win

[bleak night]

oddly enough, that's one of the mid-tier ones

[warped stirrup]

i got to chronos on it in my 2nd run it was so NO WAY

[bleak night]

once you unlock aspects, it has a much stronger version with a different mechanic

[bleak night]

Oh, that's just you finding a weapon that matches your playstyle is all, which honestly feels really good.

I didn't mesh well with the Torches, I meshed well with the Axe

[warped stirrup]

ICL I useed axe for 2nd time it was decent.

i hate the axe 😂 its too slow for me

[bleak night]

hmm

I think it depends, the Axe just has too many things to learn to make it play quickly

[warped stirrup]

fair

[bleak night]

The other weapons start off as either quick or intuitive to play quickly, Axe needs you to practice things a little. You want me to show you ?

[warped stirrup]

uhh im busy atm maybe some other time

is there a 6th weapon or have i not uncloedk it

[bleak night]

There's a 6th weap yeah

[warped stirrup]

whe do i unlock it?

[bleak night]

needs the material from the 3rd Surface area, so you might need to get there first

[gaunt coyote]

Axe is awkward but it can c h o n k down the line once you get it upgraded a little, take it from me. Also spin to win with the omega attack is hilarious and downright deadly with the right hammers

[warped stirrup]

i am on first boss udnerground and there is no charon shop is he like a chance orr

[bleak night]

huh

[bleak night]

ngl I barely do the whirlwind spins nowadays lol

[warped stirrup]

why was there no charon shop before i ented headmistress hecate boss

[bleak night]

did you choose between the shop and the free item? Usually the last rooms are a choice between shop and free item

[warped stirrup]

how do i choose

[bleak night]

I mean the door tells you which is which

[warped stirrup]

oh

[gaunt coyote]

I just recently finished a run with the hammer that lets you continue attacking while spinning. it was a slaughterhouse 😈

but hammer dependent lol

[bleak night]

True, that's a nice one

you play Charon Axe as well or do you prefer the attack based ones ?

[warped stirrup]

what is bath salts i just unlcoked it from my shop gy

[gaunt coyote]

i haven't played charon, just been bouncing between Mel and Than to see which i like better

both are lovely honestly

[bleak night]

Play Charon as well, that way you'll enjoy all three

[gaunt coyote]

Wouldnt know the first place to start building charon, any advice?

[past salmon]

Lucid gain

[bleak night]

just a subtype of gift like nectar

[warped stirrup]

what is arcana? there some thing abt it in my cooking pot

[gaunt coyote]

it lets you literally take baths with people. I took one with nemesis, this game horny as hell lol

[bleak night]

Just Lucid Gain and then finding some components for Origination to activate, and that's usually all the damage you need. It's one of the aspects where you just always take the Night Arcana since your Omega Cast is your main source of damage (or one of the two main sources)

[gaunt coyote]

Ok, thank you!

[bleak night]

You going to do a run on it ?

[warped stirrup]

@bleak night it turns out i already have strentgh but i was still using death defiance, so i remove death defiance?

[gaunt coyote]

I'll give it a whirl, sure

apollo start i take it?

[bleak night]

Yeah, try it. You take half damage but no revives

[warped stirrup]

what is change of night

[bleak night]

Yep. I haven't played in a few days, but I can show you if you wanna see how it works

[bleak night]

I've no clue

[warped stirrup]

change of fate*

[bleak night]

Oh those are just rerolls

[gaunt coyote]

Honestly Im probably going to just go through erebrus and call it a night, but thank you!

[warped stirrup]

for what?

[gaunt coyote]

Be happy to take you up on that another time

[bleak night]

you can reroll the boons being offered or the location reward

[bleak night]

yeah np, more rest for me from the game at least LMAO

[gritty schooner]

need some moonstone axe build pls

i heard theres a boon where my attacks are so big it covers the entire screen

[worn oriole]

Apollo is the choice if you want big AOE slashes, but Hera and Aphrodite are also very good choices as well for the attack

[bleak night]

Apollo Attack yeah lol

[gritty schooner]

is there a way to charge up moonstone axe omega attack faster

i have to go thru 3 attack patterns before even i get to start omega charge

[bleak night]

huh? Just hold the attack button down on Swing 1 or do a dash attack and hold down the button

[uneven palm]

Turn off Autofire in settings

[uneven palm]

Hera, Apollo, or Aphro attack. Add Demeter for freeze so things are easier to chop. Dashing Heave is the best hammer

[gritty schooner]

okok ty

[gritty schooner]

maybe cuz of autofire but whenever i hold down its swing 1 swing 2 slam 1 then only charge

[bleak night]

Yeah, that's def autofire

Usually, people do Axe omega attacks off a Dash Attack though

[covert abyss]

whats a good mana number to aim for with pan? got down to <60 mana earlier because i took too many duo and epic boons and it was quite hard to play since i kept running out of mana

also are there any mana gain boons that are best for pan? ive been going for zeus and apollo

[sage flame]

I would guess a lot of people use hera's born gain, and you'd def want a bit more max magick for that as well

im also partial to zeus gain too tho

[bleak night]

Poseidon's not bad

considering how many daggers you're throwing out, Spirit Bubbles will spawn quite a fair bit

[covert abyss]

thanks will try them out!

[uneven yacht]

what are the must have arcanas?

rerolls and death defiance ?

[gritty schooner]

death defiance for sure imo

the titan too

+20 hp and mp

also anyoen got some blade sister builds

[bleak night]

Death Defiance atm is being eclipsed by Strength, so you might wanna spec into that and see if you enjoy it

[uneven yacht]

interesting, does the additional one from the cat counts?

[mild phoenix]

Same cy?

[bleak night]

It does, yeah. People usually don't run the Cat as a result, since Frinos has such a massive boost

[uneven yacht]

got it. thx

[uneven yacht]

another question: I basically only use the keepsake that give armor every room and the tooth one. is it wrong?

[sage flame]

no wrong way to play

at some point I would recommend trying out starting with the god keepsakes! they're a fun way if you have a certain build in mind :)

but if you're having fun and making the progress you want, that's all you need :)

[gaunt coyote]

Poseidon on sister blades attack goes nutty. Everyone talks about how powerful he is for Pan aspect's omega special, but I'm way too busy over here mashing my face into the attack button to notice

[waxen garden]

static shock is great, also master conductor if you can make that happen

[sage flame]

engagement ring/dying wish are both very useful on non pos pan blades because the aoe it gives you is good, which is something the blades struggle with

or just get final slice hammer and use that

[willow phoenix]

I like hestia attack on both mel and artemis daggers. You can get a lot of scorch going which you can then transition into a freezer burn build with demeter on special. Or you can focus on pyro technique with no demeter and just focus on scorch damage

[solemn loom]

Where is the fear sheet again?

[junior trail]

tried to play summoner build and i noticed sth

the enemy with ecstatic obsession and night bloom/sun worshiper summons seem to counteract each other, is it a bug or intentional?

[magic moss]

the 50 fear one? its in my bio

[solemn loom]

You track basic boons or you just add manually?

[magic moss]

i track core boons manually yeah

[solemn loom]

Ah cool gotcha.

[magic moss]

core, athena, heph, and pos presence

[solemn loom]

Will die backtrack

[magic moss]

what does that mean

[solemn loom]

So rn it's shareable Arcane Cards, Vows, Boons/Build and now H1/H2 playlist.

Updating will take long.

[solemn loom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272385014150991875/1320191162597769236/Screenshot_2024-12-21_at_7.47.45_PM.png?ex=6768b355&is=676761d5&hm=cb2b6806ed9f9cceebb3a11d3d415679890ed97d80c3a5f7b2d4ed5bc2d61f65&
H1 / H2, shareable run playlist - update next patch.

[knotty pollen]

I'm working on 32 fear Overworld and its giving me a lot of problems. My current build is Aphrodite keepsake Black Coat (no aspect), but I'm wondering if there's another combo that people have had more luck with

[uneven palm]

Hera, Poseidon, or Zeus rocket spam works, or you could do Hestia attack, Exhaust Riser Hammer, and look for Demeter for Freezer Burn

[knotty pollen]

Hestia attack works well? Interesting, ill look into it.

[uneven palm]

Here’s what that looks like https://youtu.be/Fdoi7v_UmHI?si=PrOXVwNVD-ZYcoKN

That was early in this patch for me. If I were doing it now I’d mix in more specials. But yeah Freezer Burn is crazy strong and you can lay on a lot of scorch with Exhaust Riser

[knotty pollen]

Damn

[bleak night]

Ngl I think 32F Surface can be instantly mogged by Charon, someone else ran Charon for the first time there and instantly won

[knotty pollen]

Huh
Hows that work?

[bleak night]

The Charon Axe? I can show you/teach you to pilot it if you wanna clear

[uneven palm]

Charon stronk

[knotty pollen]

Id appreciate it. Axe is my worst weapon

[bleak night]

I can VC to stream in a bit, lemme grab some coffee. Fair warning I haven't played in a while, so I might be complete trash

[knotty pollen]

Might have to call a slight rain check on that, I'm booked aolid for most of today. If you're free tomorrow, that'd work better

[bleak night]

Yeah np

[uneven palm]

Here’s a 32F Charon clear I did if you wanna see how it looks https://youtu.be/3TKPn64XjdM?si=leKr5X52LawCmbnL

Mynt is way better than me take him up on a tutorial if he’s offering

[bleak night]

Man I wish the game could give me Giga Cleaver

[uneven palm]

You sound like me pining for Possessed Array every time I play skulls

[bleak night]

relatable tho

[uneven palm]

Man in patch 4 I was grinding Mel Skull 50F and like didn’t see Possessed once over like 60 runs. V Upsetting.

[bleak night]

Mel Skulls feel really bad without it is all

Like, Mel Axe functions without Dashing Heave still, but Mel Skulls without Bolstered or Possessed feels completely bad

[uneven palm]

Oh whoops I was saying Possessed and meant Bolstered

Would have liked either tho lol

Game’s like “best I can do is Looming Ignition” 50 times in a row

[uneven palm]

For real my last 50F Mel Axe didn’t have Dashing Heave or Lethal Snare and it still worked. Good aspect no notes.

[bleak night]

Good damage is good damage

[empty trellis]

does born again work with zeus sprint?

[tough pasture]

Hi friends.

I'm returning to this game a few months after the newest update.

Just tell it to me straight...did heph's dash damage get nerfed? Couldn't we do it at after every dash? Now there's a timer...

I'm hoping I'm hallucinating...

[tough pasture]

Yep. Nerfed.

"Thanks, Amir."
"It's Raover."

My favorite style of play...gone. <POOF!>

#FeelsBadMan

[past salmon]

There is an aspect for the new weapon that functions extremely similar to old heph dash, which is why it was reworked

[tough pasture]

I see. I haven't unlocked the new weapon. I look forward to playing it...

[gritty schooner]

hi i need some fun high dps umbral flames build pls ty

[bleak night]

which aspect ?

[gritty schooner]

er the default

havent unlocked aspects yet

[bleak night]

Pick an attack that's a % based boost, preferably Hera or Apollo, then run Zeus and hunt for Static Shock. Usually the damage from that is enough, and anything extra just makes it go harder

probs don't go Aphro though since base aspect Torches doesn't really stay in the enemy's face all the time, it can tho

[gritty schooner]

apollo it is sincei got the keepsake

[spare kite]

Another day of "pls rework/buff torches" in feedback lol

[willow phoenix]

I do think base torch can use some rework

Currently all three torches rely on omega specials, especially base and moros. In terms of playstyle, I feel like base torch and moros plays a bit too similarly, use omega specials then spam attack on enemies. For a base version, I think an effect focused on attack would be better, since that's what most people would be focusing on when first using it hence why a lot of new players feel that the torch is weak. Not to mention, torch normal special is completely useless in most scenarios.

[spare kite]

Oh I forgot mel torches exist tbh

[uneven palm]

lol it’s the same as the skull

[subtle cape]

They both feel fine

Maybe skull could get something but like it still feels good/ fine to me. It's hammers and medea are stupid fun

[subtle cape]

This is true

[stable lichen]

honestly i feel like they should just change the upgrade from increased omega spesh duration to sth more attack focused like increased omega attack range/damage/firing speed/whatever and they’re golden

i actually really like how default torch compares to the rest since it’s essentially got a playstyle of its own compared to the other aspects, that being long ranged omega attack spam

them choosing to make the upgrade focus on omega special was weird

[pseudo sequoia]

they probably thought people would use it more on that aspect but unsurprisingly it'd be way better suited as either a hammer upgrade or as eos' innate upgrade

kinda hard to make a ton of use of the daybreaker's blast in my experience anyway so i wouldn't mind if the damage was a static 200 or somthin

[tall notch]

Mel torch being an ospecial aspect stayed over from when Eos was fully attack-focused, I believe

[warped stirrup]

@bleak nighti unlcoked aspects now, i got aspect of mel to rank 5 for daggers did i make a bad choice

[gritty schooner]

is apollo daze considered as a curse>

[cursive oyster]

yes

[leaden owl]

easiest to play imo

[magic moss]

no

[leaden owl]

pan is generally considered the best if you max it out but realistically all dagger aspects are good.

[covert abyss]

how do u play with no healing and strength? do u just not get hit at all for the whole run

[cursive oyster]

a couple healing sources work through scars

[covert abyss]

would that be dd and max hp upgrades? but with strength u can only get dd through athena, not sure if thats feasible

[cursive oyster]

nope uh preserved hope and breath of eros still heal you fully through scars

[covert abyss]

oh cool thanks

[bleak night]

All of the Mel aspects don't need Nightmare (annoying resource to gather), so you can just max them out

[warped stirrup]

okay

what other aspect should i max out for the other weapons also how do i get adamante again

[twilit timber]

Final surface biome

As for aspects, max what you enjoy

[gritty schooner]

i know its a skill issue but is there a way to make me less squishy especially with the sister blades? All this cuz theres no divine dash early on

[twilit timber]

Use strength, start with Athena keepsake ( divine dash guaranteed in first 3 chambers), then find heph and get the boon that gives Armor every chamber

Use frinos for extra hp

[gritty schooner]

see problem is i havent met athena tsktsk