h2-builds-and-combat

[stable lichen]

i love summoner builds in games because they're just so fun to play with

[rain cipher]

I revive the pitcher guys in Elysium just out of spite

[stable lichen]

elysium?

[rain cipher]

Sorry mourning fields

the other fields

[stable lichen]

i love reviving a 4 armed punchy guy in cerbies fight lmao

that thing can essentially just solo the rest of the fight

[twilit timber]

I keep calling fields Elysium too lol

[rain cipher]

I forgot we're not in the gentrified suburb of Elysium and instead the bombed out hellhole of the mourning fields where the underworld corporations closed up shop and laid everyone off

[stable lichen]

speaking of which in some interpretations of greek mythology zeus actually takes pity on chronos and lets him rule over elysium (since chronos is good at ruling over mankind and had a golden age under his belt after all)

it would be very cool if they came to an agreement after the epilogue and the next time zag is battling through elysium he gets his ass beat by grandpa expecting to fight asterius and theseus for the 2000th time

[rain cipher]

I mean I presume eventually in the epilogue Chronos will not be all bad and there will be some explanation as to why Tartarus is still a clockwork mess, Mel is still fighting him, and Hades is still hanging out in chains

Or maybe Hades will get his own nicer room and won't be locked up idk

Seems like it'll be a bit harder to justify than it was in Hades 1 where "ok son you are a security contractor now"

[stable lichen]

the prevailing theory is to trap chronos in a dream courtesy of hypnos and chaos

[rain cipher]

Actually a really funny idea: Mel also becomes a security contractor but while Zag tests defenses against getting out, she tests defenses against getting in.

And there's a room event where you meet Zagreus heading the opposite direction and you're each other's boss.

[stable lichen]

so does she go fight gramps in elysium then

[rain cipher]

Hypnos dream and Chaos shenanigans could explain almost anything but then how would Mel collect underworld resources in a dream?

[stable lichen]

chaos could easily make the resources

[twilit timber]

That could work actually, chronos and Olympians make up, Hades puts chronos in charge of his house security since chronos manage to break in, Mel is given the role of testing his defenses since she got past Chronos' defenses in turn( just like how Zag was assigned to break out) and underworld loop is explained postgame

[rain cipher]

chaos could easily make the resources everything

[twilit timber]

Mel and Zag become the joint gods of security breaks

The break out brother and the sneak in sister, nightmares of security agencies all over (and under ) Greece

[rain cipher]

Zagreus has really got to step up. He defeated his dominatrix, Lernie, some dead heroes, and his dad.

Mel out here defeating multiple titans...

[twilit timber]

(I am not serious, it would be a boring thing to do and if I know one thing about sgg, they don't do boring)

[rain cipher]

Prometheus, Chronos, Hecate...

She's kinda doing a bit hotter than he was in terms of combat ability huh.

Then again he was a dilettante until he started, she was a child soldier.

[twilit timber]

Just wait until she adds Typhon, the literal doom of the gods to that list

[rain cipher]

Hecate is basically one of those Somalian warlords who trains up a child as a killing machine, except also she's kinda nice.

[arctic plover]

what is a good vow combination for 32?

[tall notch]

Depends on the weapon and what you are personally comfortable with

[arctic plover]

def the blades mel or artemis

[glossy rivet]

whats a good build for special spam on coat

poseidon?

[blissful sphinx]

maybe chronos's only defense left is to constantly turn back time and for melinoë to always keep him in check

[hollow briar]

Yeah, Pos works well

Up to 53F anyway, past that it gets dicey

[blissful sphinx]

poseidon + pan = chefs kiss

[hollow briar]

We’re talkin’ about Coat, but that too lol

[blissful sphinx]

man... idk but I find coat kinda bad:(

[hollow briar]

For Blades, probably Pain I, Frenzy II, Menace II, Scars II, Debt I, Shadow, Time II, Hubris II, and Denial. That leaves you at 26, find a combination of the last 6 that work for you

Wards aren’t as punishing for Blades as most other Weapons, so that’s a relatively easy 2 to add

[hollow briar]

It’s kinda bonkers, actually

Dash-Attack spam is honestly a little broken with Exhaust Riser especially, even though I’ve never gone for it, and Special spam works with basically every Olympian you can put on it

[blissful sphinx]

omega special isnt bad but regular special is so awkward

[hollow briar]

Idk, I had a pretty good time with it on my Mel 50F run

And the Nyx runs too, I guess lol

[summer timber]

How are people using Poseidon special and momus staff? It never seems to work well for me or was it nerfed?

I don't perform well with staff and I think I'm just not using it correctly because most people seem to favor it

[summer timber]

For coat I like aspect of selene with the moonbeam. Get that hex blasting constantly

[willow phoenix]

This was meta ages ago, momus is very different now as it got reworked

[summer timber]

Oh thanks. So what's the new meta?

Strength card with no DD?

[silent crow]

just pick hera

nah pan poseidon moros torch and medea skull are the best i think

[willow phoenix]

For momus? You can just put any % damage boon on attack/special and play with the omega. Freeze helps with aligning the repeating omega moves. Mirrored thrasher is pretty much the hammer for any staff aspect mostly.

But if you want the strongest aspect rn it's probably pan, moros, medea

Honestly pan rn feels a lot like the old momus lol although not that braindead, might be a candidate for another change

[past salmon]

@tawdry meteor huntress would not have been active #h2-feedback message
You can basically treat primed magick as a reduction to your max magick
so having 0 magick/111 primed is the same as having 0/0magick therefore huntress wouldn't activate

[tawdry meteor]

I see I see thank you

[rain cipher]

Might be that happens until you beat him enough times for him to get frustrated at being stuck in the loop and realizing Melinoe will just keep doing it until he apologizes or something lol.

[magic moss]

sheet has been updated

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1311894231182213180/image.png?ex=674a8436&is=674932b6&hm=fecc6d2d8bc4a2fe75fe888cb6bb9cb3cf6642b564ac4fe70c5470b06f5ddfad& Mental Block has overtaken Divine Dash as most picked Athena Boon

[cursive oyster]

shh we can’t let the devs know

[versed nexus]

Anyone got some good aspect of momus runs? Wanna try it out (I'm too obsessed with torches I need to experiment)

I saw a run with hephestus cast which seemed interesting

[magic moss]

do you want good as in it will clear or good as in fun to play

[versed nexus]

Mmmmmm.....gimme fun

I gotta resolve my skissue anyway LOL

[magic moss]

apollo special and play for the legendary with giga moonburst or any one of the special hammers, the legendary doubles all the echoes as well

[versed nexus]

Oooo ok

OH I think I know which build that is, orb spam basically right?

[magic moss]

yeah, haelian did a video on it recently iirc

[glass tapir]

So uh, it turns out that if you take the Dark Side path of stars improvement that makes regular casts have the effect of omega casts, and you have Geyser Spout, then you can just... mash the splash over and over?

[past salmon]

@ornate apex #h2-feedback message
Yeah this one does exist, it's portrayed by a golden heart icon

[ornate apex]

tyty 💜

[low bear]

what do you guys think would be the best order for a 50F streak run? I'm thinking Momus -> Medea (cuz I'm bad with it lol) -> Artemis -> Mel Coat -> Than -> Moros

[uneven palm]

Yeah it rules https://youtu.be/xaYEac_Mi-U?si=Ix81fRRLQAC20S16

[stable lichen]

mr president a second broken athena boon has hit the hades community

[summer timber]

How to play Medea Skull?

[shy beacon]

is there a reliable guide for the axe and the best boons for it?

[half sigil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/s/FCA2PG3GRa

[idle lodge]

Rousing Reception Earth
Your Casts damage any foes as they join the Encounter, wherever they appear.

Could someone help me explain what this does and when it’s good to use?
Cast doesn’t do damage right so it only applies to omega cast? Or also cast boons effects?
So I put omega cast, foes that spawn between then and it erupting, gets hit outside the binding circle?

[half sigil]

when your cast is up as ennemy spawn they take dmg
that's it

[idle lodge]

So if i keep cast up it’ll damage all spawning foes basically

[half sigil]

yea

[idle lodge]

Hmm ok thanks

Is it useful? Doesn’t sound that great but i might be underestimating

[half sigil]

not really no

[idle lodge]

Alright thx dude

[pseudo sequoia]

it used to be hera's default cast ability but it was changed because it was too powerful, unfortunately now that you can't apply hitch with it anymore it's really really bad

[idle lodge]

Ok yeah that makes sense. Instant hitch on spawns sounds pretty op. I have to run it though because you need either rousing reception or hereditary bane active to unlock heras legendary

If i understood right

[timber pawn]

Rousing is good for killing erebus enemies fast in a speedrun setting and that is mostly it

[half sigil]

Wards moment

[timber pawn]

Since it can instakill small enemies as they spawn when they might be far away from you.

Ya, speed specific for sure, and we're not taking wards haha

[half sigil]

I know ahah just messing with you. Hereditary bane is better for sure. It’s like budget dying wish

[timber pawn]

Ya hereditary bane is solid no matter what. It also scales kinda crazy if you end up with queens ransom or something

[half sigil]

I still have never clicked on any of the ransom. I don’t want to give up my Zeus or my Hera

[timber pawn]

I have a very silly Eos speedrun with a lvl 39 blitz attack haha

[half sigil]

Lmao

How high is the blitz dmg at 39

[timber pawn]

If kings ransom is like, part of the plan ahead of time you can force more hera and save rolls for fields miniboss which is almost always right before echo

[timber pawn]

I was 1 tapping chronos phases with romantic spark lol, I think the biggest hit that run was like 7k on cerb

[half sigil]

Sheesh

[sage flame]

rousing can be nice for vow of wards shields sometimes? kinda

[half sigil]

not really, it only removes 1 wards out of 2, kinda bad for an entire boonn

also, might be me but i think most people put ward after they put denial, so if you pick rousing it means you delete 2 other options, i don't know what other otpions would be worse than rousing when hera has bangers

[half sigil]

especially when hitch is the best curse for wards and rousing is one of the only boon from hera that doesn't apply hitch lol

[past salmon]

Tbf Hera also has garbage
Nexus Sprint/Nasty Comeback/Uncommon Grace off the top of my head

[uneven palm]

Race up, attack to load a skull, special through to pop it. Repeat the other way until dead. Put Zeus on special and whatever +% on attack and you’re popping Blitz constantly. Possessed Array, Colossus Driver, and Bolstered are the best hammers

[half sigil]

True but tbh if I see a screen with rousing, nasty and uncommon I just go next

[past salmon]

I mean you might be out of rerolls or something by Oceanus start

[half sigil]

I guess 🤷‍♂️

[blissful sphinx]

Come to think of it... rousing reception + shocking loss could be rather funny

[twilit timber]

Man just cz I was bored I turned on all the enemy buff vows

[cursive oyster]

so 50f?

[twilit timber]

Hordes, frenzy, grit, wards, fangs etc and having no other vows

[cursive oyster]

ah gotcha

[twilit timber]

No around 27 or 30 idr, I didn't take anything that affected me, just things that buffed up enemies

It was fun, I got all the way to fields

Wasn't expecting that on first try coming from someone whos only ever played frenzy (lvl 1 at that) twice

[safe nexus]

Hey Can I ask an unrelated question?

[spare kite]

It'd be faster if you just asked it

[safe nexus]

What happens when you rare crop Heavy Metal?

like do you just get 15 armor

[half sigil]

heroics is 150 iirc

or 125 idr

[spare kite]

Idk how it works now but it just gave you the new full amount on top of what you already had before

Same with bridal glow

[half sigil]

or trusty

[cursive oyster]

they did fix that

[spare kite]

Does it just do nothing now

[half sigil]

when you pom trusty it still refresh

[spare kite]

Or can it even get crop'd

[safe nexus]

ok, just seems like a wierd interaction.

[granite grove]

Ight ive been at the mel staff 55 grind today and its safe to say the erebus rooms are rooough, they are probably more than half of the pain of the runs

I'll continue working through the weekend to see if i'm just missing something but so far it's been of no luck

[pale sage]

does local climate give a global cast damage buff or just the blast at the end

[half sigil]

Just the blast I believe

If you’re wanting to run it, it’s nice to have the +100 cast power arcana

[pale sage]

man that kinda sucks

got glorious disaster with it

[uneven palm]

It’s cool on like Charon or Momus

[half sigil]

Exactly

[spare kite]

#h2-feedback message @peak coyote it absolutely does???

oh not death but night def works

but also charon is already busted it doesn't need death working lol

[past salmon]

yeh night works 👍

[peak coyote]

I just tried it though

Maybe I was looking at the Omega special?

[spare kite]

night + furies + charon's buff gets you 400 dmg from cast chamber 1

[peak coyote]

🤷‍♂️

[past salmon]

ok just quickly tested it it definitely works

[uneven palm]

Yeah Night absolutely works on Charon

[shy beacon]

i got so close to beating chronos ahhhh

this game is so peak

[grave crypt]

Anyone likes to use Mel axe? It has become my fave build for high fear runs. Take Aphro attack and Zeus special. Get the hammer that doubles the dash-strike. Huntress and origination for arcana card. Spamming switching between dash strike and special just melts everything. No magic needed!

[devout yarrow]

The problem is the attack speed from than axe is straight up better, which is kinda sad.

[magic moss]

dashing heave on mel axe is insanely strong

and is probably like one of the best aspect to hammer combos in the game

so it has that going for it

[dry mirage]

whats the skull build that you guys have had the most fun with? ive got the 20 fear chronos testament and just hate the skull

[magic moss]

medea hera attack zeus special

[dry mirage]

ignore the ransoms boons?

[magic moss]

you can take it if you want

[balmy trout]

you can if you plan to that is

[low bear]

Vampiric with Strength is pretty OP

[distant tartan]

https://youtu.be/PtS_vQxZga8

[ornate apex]

Is Lim an Oros' O-attack way too slow, or am I just spoiled with Artemis aspect?

[tall notch]

blades that aren't Artemis have an omega attack?

[idle lodge]

What am I missing trying to get Heras legendary ”all together”? Is it just really rare? I try to get the required boons according to fandom wiki but not sure it’s accurate

[nimble lichen]

hi

how do i share my build here?

like the arcana screen

[granite grove]

it has a chance to appear each time you roll her boons if you have all of the requirements fulfilled

Not sure on the percentage but it won't appear often

[granite grove]

you can just take a screenshot and ask if you have any questions about the arcana (nvm you cant share, just describe the issue and we will likely get what you mean)

[idle lodge]

Do you know if the fandom wiki is correct, according to that i need
Sworn strike/flourish/engagement ring/nexus sprint
& bridal glow//uncommon grace/blood line
& hereditary bane/rousing reception
So if understood right i need 3 boons, one from each category

I asked chatgpt but it said something completely different, seems like it just made something up

[granite grove]

You need one from each lineup of boons, yes

codex in the game is a reference point as well

cannot send the ss but yes the wiki is correct

if you have one from each, you will open up the chance to obtain the boon in the following rolls

[idle lodge]

Alright. Usually i only get about 4 hera boons in a run even w keepsake so i guesss it’s meant to be pretty rare. Gotta keep grinding i guess. Thx

It is legendary after all😛

[pseudo sequoia]

general rule of thumb! don't ask chatgpt about anything, it'll usually make it up and churn out something completely incorrect (and that goes for pretty much everything, not just hades)

[nimble lichen]

do strength and eternity work in the same built? like if i use all my DDs does strength start working?

[pseudo sequoia]

it does, but it's generally better to use that 4 grasp on something else instead of whatever of the two you're not using

[granite grove]

yeah but it's really not worth it 😅

[half sigil]

I think it’s pretty good at base

[idle lodge]

Yeah, when it said ” once unlocked, this boon enhances the effects of the Syzygy mechanic (Hera’s unique mechanic in Hades 2)” i realized it was pulling stuff out of it’s a** 😂

[iron grail]

is brave face combined with born gain good or do i risk losing all my mana before the end of prometheus fight ?

i have more life than mana to begin with and it feels like 5 mana for 1 damage is too costly

[stable lichen]

i mean if you’re not using mana much then why not

[ornate apex]

worst case scenario, it would be kinda funny

[distant tartan]

It's totally worth it if you stack up defensive boons and max health. Aphrodite is great with both of them together, if you can get her "Max life rewards are worth % more" boon

[nimble lichen]

why tho?

[half sigil]

Cause they’re both expensive arcana and it’s kinda pointless to spend 4 grasps on a card that will almost never be active

[cloud scarab]

do reaper knives hammer stack with the pan daggers ?

[cloud scarab]

answer is yes 😄

[granite grove]

Think of it this way

• whike you have DDs left, strength does nothing

• While you are out of DDs, you either had a bad run (the 4 grasp would have likely been very helpful to survive for far longer) or you are at the home stretch and you would have either passed it by then without strength's grasp weighing you down - or you can close the run out without it

• Strength becomes "Worth it" if you Barely scrape by Chronos on your last life with a sliver of HP left, where yes Strength likely saved you I guess

Notice how specifically the run has to go for Strength to be "worth it"

[nimble lichen]

oke

[low bear]

yeah strength and eternity are just anti synergy that should only ever be active together because you had a judgement run

that 4 arcana can be much better used elsewhere

[analog ether]

I'm curious how Apollo's legendary interacts with the Axe's spin omega

[severe thorn]

I think it just makes it way longer

[analog ether]

As far as I can tell, it doesn't. I think (don't hold me to this) that it basically has 2 Omega spins that occur simultaneously and overlap each other?

And may produce an odd interaction with the Psychic Whirlwind hammer. It seemed like sometimes I could use my Special, and sometimes I couldn't.

[low bear]

Smolder Ring with Pyro Technique and Hitch is pretty damn strong

[nimble lichen]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1h3ze7x/hydrogen_bomb_vs_coughing_baby/
this build 💀

[spare kite]

Pan moment

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230649734008672347/1312794644786188298/Hades_II_2024.12.01_-_11.53.51.02.mp4?ex=674dcac9&is=674c7949&hm=8bd7df6483b4b06418f76adab05b020a4eb5a65a3a20a026e72533b9a2ef5819& you can pin point the moment in the 2nd simon says where I forgot the pattern lmfao

[nimble lichen]

strength run?

[spare kite]

always

[nimble lichen]

DDs are better

[spare kite]

So

[half sigil]

They aren’t

Even if that were the case he can play what he wants lol

[twilit timber]

Dds are easier to play with

Coming from someone who recently switched to strength and just barely got 1 clear thanks to pin because chronos insta death timebubble combo

[uncut quiver]

matter of preference really, tho personally once i started playing with strength arcana, i never went back to using dds

[half sigil]

They have different use cases. I don’t think one is strictly better than the other. Although certainly on paper strength is better numbers wise

[twilit timber]

Yeah that's what I am saying, DDs are easier for clumsier players like me since mistakes are more forgiving. Someone who's better at staying out of trouble and/playing hard timers would probably prefer the added damage

[half sigil]

For sure

[uncut quiver]

yeah definitely go for strength if u want the global dmg buff

[twilit timber]

I mostly switched to strength because I wanted to see what all the mental block hype was about lol

[half sigil]

And what did you think

[twilit timber]

And I gotta say perfectly timing mental block to reflect a dozen attacks back at once is one of the most satisfying feelings in the game

Especially in tartarus/olympus seeing dozens of enemies just being deleted is so satisfying

And I like combining it with Aphro cast so it's even better pulling more enemies into deflect range

Idk about optimal usage but but just straight up deleting crowds of mobs is so damn satisfying

[spare kite]

I love that it also does dmg lmfao

[half sigil]

It’s quite a bit in early game also

[spare kite]

Like sure, give me the same dmg that the O.cast does w/o mana or channeling

Or almost same, I think is 120 epic?

[twilit timber]

I didn't notice between the different buffs but it also stacks with "deal more damage to foes in your casts" arcana yeah?

[twilit timber]

More, 180 iirc

Oh but that might be from strength, base should be lower

[wise idol]

Pretty sure o cast does 150 at base, so equivalent to a heroic mental block

[twilit timber]

Nem showed up in an Oceanus room that was spawning those swarms of blue fishies and I beat her like 86 to 5 or something 😂

Was replying to the message above that lol

[half sigil]

120 yes

[spare kite]

30 less is whatever anyways

[twilit timber]

I mean it's instant

[half sigil]

You manly take it for the deflect anyways so it’s free

[twilit timber]

And doesn't take magick and makes you immune

I will take that with zero damage too lmfao

[spare kite]

Silly boon

Meanwhile phalanx shot sure exists

[half sigil]

Damn my joke

[twilit timber]

Now that I think about it

[half sigil]

Bot dictatorship doesn’t allow humor

[twilit timber]

Geyser spount + mental block = instant game over?

[half sigil]

No there’s an ICD

Doesn’t work smart guy

[twilit timber]

Ahh okay so there's at least some limiter lol

[half sigil]

That would be silly lol

[twilit timber]

They will probably nerf it next patch, honestly the deflect lasts much longer than I was expecting

[half sigil]

I hope they don’t but they prob will. At least the dmg

But tbh even the deflect is kinda crazy

[spare kite]

Just remove the icd and let charon be a bit silly

[twilit timber]

I was expecting needing like perfectly timed casts sorta like souls deflects, the way it is rn I can just hit B whenever the enemy looks vaguely like it's going to attack

[half sigil]

Pretty much

You can even deflect combos. Like chronos double scythe combo (the one that does a half circle aoe)

If you deflect the first one it’s gonna last long enough for the second slash also

[twilit timber]

Does it prevent the insta death?

[half sigil]

Yes

Better yet, out of the 2 insta death it can reflect the second one

[twilit timber]

What fr? Next thing you will tell me I can dash through insta death too

[half sigil]

Yes you can

[twilit timber]

Wait really?

[half sigil]

You can I frame his one shot yes

[spare kite]

Does it work with both of them

[twilit timber]

Goddamnit how did I not know that after 80-somethint runs

[half sigil]

Yes

[spare kite]

Lmao

[half sigil]

What the deflect?

[spare kite]

Yeah

I mean can you deflect both insta kills

[half sigil]

The big red one it’ll just block. The other one it’ll straight up kill him

[spare kite]

?????

[half sigil]

Or like, push him to next threshold

[spare kite]

Sgg how

[half sigil]

I have a clip I can share in 5 min

[twilit timber]

Dang that's literally insane

[spare kite]

We know what's getting fixed at least

[half sigil]

It’s not that big a deal tbh, in phase 2 he has no hp almost but yea it’s funny

[twilit timber]

Oh yeah I realised how little very recently with my pin save I mentioned lol

[half sigil]

Lol yea

If you have good dmg this phase is over very quick

[twilit timber]

I died to the very first insta death he did but went ham and killed him in 6 seconds flat

[half sigil]

Yup

[twilit timber]

It was Mel staff with some lv 7-8 blitz attack and buuuuunch of other stuff buffing it

[half sigil]

https://streamable.com/al0fje

[twilit timber]

Dude what the heck that deflect is too easy

The visual indicator and timing for the trigger is so consistent it's literally instant win

[half sigil]

yea lol, altho it's been a bit weird you have to be on top of him i think

yea

but like i said you only save a bit of time, it's cool tho

[twilit timber]

But if you're at 5 hp and no DDs it's a great final gamble

[half sigil]

for sure altho if you have no dd i'm not sure why you have mental block

cause how are you getting it in the first place

oh do you mean if you play strenght

[twilit timber]

Bad rng on tart athena

Or strength yeah that too

[wise idol]

That explains a lot, I’ve tried it and it didn’t do damage at all

[half sigil]

yea i've had inconsistencies also, work sometimes not always

[nimble lichen]

never said that my opinion is the right one... seems that i have to specify that its my opinion or some internet guy will get offended

[half sigil]

just sounds kinda weird that you ask him if he uses DD just to tell him DD is better

when it's not the point of his clip at all

[spare kite]

Also DDs would have gotten me killed probably lmfao

I care too little to not face tank eris and prom (also athena)

[magic moss]

sheet has been updated

[strong berry]

I am working toward 32 fear both on surface and underworld. Does anyone have some good builds for it?

[spare kite]

Do moros or charon prob
Unless you have a fav weapon you wanna do it with?

[strong berry]

Well I don't have moros aspect leveled at all but charon is max

barely got the coat

still working on arcana upgrades as well

[spare kite]

Ngl for 32 you can prob get away with non max moros lol

[strong berry]

It's still at level 1 though, no bonuses atm

[spare kite]

Aight that's a bit more iffy and idk your skill lvl so if you want the easiest time prob just do charon

[strong berry]

Not super high on the skill level front unfortunately

will try charon

are there any recommended arcana and vow set ups?

[fallow wren]

What's an actually good Queen's Ransom build?

I want to give it a chance but idk Hera's boons are kinda lame

[uneven palm]

Scaling on like Hereditary Bane gets silly with Queens Ransom. Like you’re doing many multiples of your damage with Hitch

[fallow wren]

What's a good weapon to put hitch on?

Because hitch is only good if it gets applied to multiple enemies

I miss older hitch where enemies would spread it

[magic moss]

everything

[fallow wren]

King's Ransom is just better. I got a build where I killed Chronos in less than 45 seconds without even hitting him

[rain cipher]

Anyone got some Momus build suggestions? I'm curious how one builds a good cast build on it in particular.

[magic moss]

hera's value scales with fear level, so in lower fears kings ransom is typically betterbut as you get higher fears hera is unmatched

[magic moss]

cast builds are generally better on mel staff or circe

[rain cipher]

Fair.

[magic moss]

momus would rather go oattack or ospecial builds

[fallow wren]

Heph cast does extra damage on the Momus repeats

[rain cipher]

% dmg or flat?

[rain cipher]

Like an extra blast that triggers vent? Or just another hit? Or three hits?

Apollo Legendary seems good for Momus but I'm not sure how it interacts.

Presumably each repeat also fires twice (at no increased mana cost).

[fallow wren]

So Heph cast does 3 hits for x damage. So when the Momus cast activates, it does an additional hit per repeat. Idk if it's just x damage or 3x damage but it is a Heph-ty bonus :3

[fallow wren]

Yes (I've done this build)

[rain cipher]

Well, I recall with Momus that for example it does not trigger Prominence Flare repeatedly.

It only triggers the main omega cast itself repeatedly, but also Heph's hits are part of the normal cast itself, the extra big hit from omega would be the only part that repeats?

So it would be 3 normal heph cast hits, 1 omega one, then that omega one repeats up to 3 times?

[fallow wren]

Yeah but the normal cast hits trigger again with Momus. Prolly a bug tbh

[rain cipher]

Or a unique unlisted interaction. Hades had some of those.

[fallow wren]

It would be 3 Heph hits, then Omega hit, then Omega+Heph, Omega+Heph, Omega+Heph

[rain cipher]

But none of these are Blasts to trigger a Vent. (the big AoE hammer strike)

[fallow wren]

Nope (shame)

[rain cipher]

The main difficulty with Heph IMO is pomming something that triggers blast down to ≤4s.

Chain Reaction (Duo with Hestia) can be good.

[rain cipher]

You could use Seismic Hammer (Poseidon Duo) to add a blast.

[fallow wren]

Using Heph Cast+Momus in a trial against Hephaestus will be a nightmare

Which big round AoE with a hammer is good or not?

[uneven palm]

You can put on the Night arcana to juice the Omega cast turrets. The full turret is like 1000 damage with Night + Furies. Add Local Climate from Demeter for more damage (but the turret is glued to you), or Geyser Spout to remove the wait for the Omega cast eruption.

Weave in your favorite Omega attack/special based on hammers that show up

[half sigil]

Local climate

And if you see appolo grab super nova

It also works for very high fear it’s not even a meme build

And like Hera for attack from hitch or your preferred attack boon

[hollow briar]

Kinda my problem with him. He gets exponentially better with Poms whereas literally everyone else gets diminishing returns

[rain cipher]

yeah but without pomming him he's not very good to start with.

I think it actually is very neat how his entire kit mirrors his characteristics as a god of the forge. It's either 1) stuff that augments/reinforces any other build, 2) stuff that needs to be upgraded itself a lot to become good.

Anyhow, I'm personally never mad at Heph for a third god in my pool, especially if either of my main ones has Earth or Fire element, because Martial Arts and Slow Cooker are both great Infusions.

But neither benefits casts at all? 🙃

They're both just "attack and special" (though they appear to also affect respective omegas as well)

[hollow briar]

Yeah, there’s an extremely limited amount of things that DMG-buff your Casts

[past salmon]

unless I'm wrong Martial art does not effect omegas but slow cooker does

Martial Art's tooltip is "Attack and Special" and Slow Cooker is "Attacks and Specials" which is what is used to differentiate between omega inclusivity for everything else

[rain cipher]

Ahh.

[frosty nova]

I had a run with this and double moonshot for twelve omega specials per omega special

was very strong and fun

[low bear]

Blasts definitely need work

imo they should have innate +50% effectiveness or something against armor

[glossy rivet]

is it just me or athena is very unlikely to spawn if i pick her keepsake in olympus

[stable lichen]

ive never actually picked up the amulet in olympus because for me she spawns like 70% of the time anyways

any general tips for 50F? what aspects are good and should i go strength or DDs

i did 40 with than and 32 on both surface and underworld with charon if that helps

im just finding the lack of heals along with the faster and beefier enemies (with revenants) a bit overwhelming ngl

[hollow briar]

Thanatos is probably the easiest to just blitz through on average, but Moros, Pan, and any of the Coats are also good picks

And DDs are probably better for getting started, but Strength is good for enforcing the "get hit less" mantra and the extra DMG is good, so you can't really go wrong

[stable lichen]

wait, nyx is decent?

i thought it was seen as desperately needing a buff

is going strength and using amulet to get stubborn defiance a decent alternative to essentially just emulate high fear in H1 with stubborn defiance as health regen

[hollow briar]

Stalwart (The SDefiance Boon from Athena) is incredibly broken, yeah

And Nyx is actually still extremely powerful by virtue of being a Coat lol, and one of my favorite Aspects personally

[pseudo sequoia]

yes but keep in mind that this does invalidate strength in each biome until you use the defiance

[hollow briar]

It has a few kinks like not having the split Specials apply their Boon, but otherwise it's incredibly powerful

And yeah, Stalwart doesn't mix terribly well with Strength

[pseudo sequoia]

i usually tend to go with the amulet in oceanus so i can get it out of the way

[stable lichen]

yeah

i was wondering if it was worth the tradeoff

[hollow briar]

Tho granted, I don't have Athena's Keepsake on purpose, so take that with a grain of salt lol

[stable lichen]

huh

guess i might have to give that a spin

[pseudo sequoia]

oh it's 100% worth it if you aren't super confident in your current setup, it's a good fallback option

[hollow briar]

It was my first and only 53F, if that says anything

[pseudo sequoia]

it's better to get to the point where you're avoiding damage and then get mental block instead but it's still a good option to have

[stable lichen]

i think the main thing im really struggling with is all the revenants + the timer because some of them just fly across the room lol

why cant they make it so that you hit the revenants to kill them instead of making you physically go there to pick them up ugh

[hollow briar]

Yeh, staying on top of Revenants (and knowing when not to) is a huge part of it

It just gets more comfortable the more you play around with different setups

[stable lichen]

guess i'll go experimenting, thanks for the tips :)

everything aside from void is good for the pact right

or can i afford to take some void in exchange for something else

[granite grove]

• Know where to send revenants, its probably the most niche but crucial timesaver you can make

• erebus will be the roughest region in essentially every run, so taking some measures and sacrifices to just survive it may be a good way to look at it

• If you are going Gorgon-Strength in Erebus, learn to deflect Hecate's attacks so you have a way easier (and faster) ending to the region - also note that Mental Block is not just a deflection tool but a large sum of damage

[stable lichen]

wait mental block actually does decent damage

huh, thats something i never thought about since i just tunnel visioned it as a defensive tool

thats very cool

[granite grove]

epic Mental Block does a flat 120

If you just break their shields and cast, you can save yourself a stupid amount of time through the 120 alone

Especially since it's instantaneous and its only limit is the cast cooldown itself

[hollow briar]

For sure, yeah, all but Void is the most common

[granite grove]

Trust me when i say that Mental Block can save many headaches, especially alongside some specific hammers

[hollow briar]

Though you can do something funky like Hordes 0 and Void III

[stable lichen]

what an ironic name lmao

[granite grove]

It's very useful, yeah

I do want to preface that surviving erebus in any way possible is from my exp the absolute imperative in a 50F run

Usually Gorgon does the trick in covering your early Erebus, but i've grown really accustomed to the early fig leaf

[hollow briar]

It’s typically not that useful unless you’re running a slow Aspect

Like Persephone, Mel Skulls, Eos, things that typically need some fixer-upper work to get the build online

But even then you’re probably better off going with Hera’s keepsake to guarantee some form of Hitch, which inherently makes Erebus waveclearing way easier; only time I used Fig for Erebus was with Mel Skulls and Momus afaik

[granite grove]

Generally yeah you're right

[uneven palm]

The thing with Revs, and this comes with practice, is to not panic over them. They’re gonna happen (a lot), and you have a decent amount of time to nab them. Definitely go out of your way to pick up some horrible elite one, but a weak rev in the middle of a horde of baddies you’re about to kill anyway probably isn’t worth chasing down.

[low bear]

Mental Block is one of the best boons in the game

Sworn Strike and Mental Block are probably in my top 2 best

[nimble lichen]

is it just me or is chronos much harder to beat than prometheus

[half sigil]

Just you I think lol

[nimble lichen]

💀

i have beaten both, but chronos is just harder

[low bear]

yeah it's just you, Chronos is barely a threat to me now lol

[uneven palm]

I mean that last phase is some real nonsense

[half sigil]

Yea but he has 2 hp in last phase

[low bear]

phase 2.1 is highkey easier than phase 1, and phase 2.2 is just tempusgate and you do just need to burst him down

[nimble lichen]

how and why is this server family friendly

fr especially when he starts to spawn the mini hourglass guys

[low bear]

that's wh you have to pin it to win it

[twilit timber]

I am a total casual who's beaten chronos on frenzy, and I routinely take 500+ damage against Prometheus

It's not even close

In case you think I am joking #h2-victory-boasting message

[half sigil]

That’s actually pretty impressive

[low bear]

855 damage wtf

that is impressive lol

[twilit timber]

And that's with seven negated hits too 😂

[nimble lichen]

ngl Prometheus is easy, especially when you make a good build, like aspect of pan, and some demeter& Aphrodite boons

chronos Phase 2.2 is hard

[half sigil]

Everything is easy with pan cause you one shot everything

[nimble lichen]

not one shot but close to that

[half sigil]

You can absolutely one shot if you don’t use grit

[nimble lichen]

btw i am an axe main, is that a good weapon or i am just making things harder?

[half sigil]

If you use grit then yea like 2 shots

Axe isn’t bad no

[cursive oyster]

axe is best overall weapon imo

[nimble lichen]

good to know

[low bear]

Axe is the best weapon yeah, all 3 aspects are strong

but best is subjective

[half sigil]

Idk about best but it’s certainly very good

[nimble lichen]

i am using charon

[half sigil]

Charon is good yea

[nimble lichen]

best hammer is the one that makes us attack/spint/use cast duing your omega attack

[half sigil]

For Charon? No

It’s the one that make special hit twice

[stuck ether]

And the one that makes omega spec faster

[twilit timber]

The thing with chronos phase 2.2 ( and 2 in general) is that it's literally got no hp

As long as you have a moderately good build and half decent hp you can just brute force burst him down as long as you avoid the insta deaths and don't get caught in the freeze bubbles

[nimble lichen]

the insta deaths are easy to avoid, but the problem for me is that the mini-hourglasses that he spawns during phase 2.2 deal good/high dmg to me and when they die they block that part of the arena for like 3 seconds and i cant focus on them and leave chronos doing whatever he wants+ the screen becomes messy cuz of the effects

[twilit timber]

Honestly if you have decentish health you can just ignore the hourglasses

In most of my fights they just die as collateral to chronos

[low bear]

why is Scalding Vapor so bad for a 3 boon duo

also Freezer Burn is not worth playing around your freeze uptime IMO

[magic moss]

its good just causes too much visual clutter

iirc the damage is comparable to hailstorm with more aoe, just steam makes it impossible to see XDD

[low bear]

yeah the steam actually got me killed lmao

[magic moss]

isnt the playstyle of freezer burn just use the freeze effect on cd (aka spam it) rather than timing it

[low bear]

oh is it?

but by then aren't most enemies dead anyway

like what enemy is living for 10 seconds after you freeze them

and hail storm damage isn't really the greatest either I feel, it's just nice extra damage on top of what you have

[magic moss]

freezer burn is mainly for guardians as scorch doesnt translate that well into guardian damafe

[low bear]

Fair I guess

also doesn't vapor consume your scorch? how does that interaction work

[magic moss]

i was talking about them in iso

[low bear]

ah then that would make vapor look kinda worse

sure you're gaining hailstorm-like damage, but you lose some dps you had on scorch

I think vapor doesn't count as a curse either

and on top of that vapor is a pain in the ass to get because it's a 3 boon duo

[magic moss]

yeah vapor is on the lower end of strong duos

but freezer burn is like top5 at worst lmao

[low bear]

I wouldn't call it a strong duo tbh, maybe on the mid end of "not useless" duo

[magic moss]

its actively detrimental due to the visual clutter, the damage is just not worth it

[low bear]

if we take into account visual then it'd go in the bad duo tbh yeah

Freezer I can agree is great yeah but it's not as good as it seems

[stable lichen]

it is very very satisfying though

instaphasing grandpa with freezer burn will never not be entertaining

[low bear]

Rom Spark, Hail Storm, Master Conductor, Freezer Burn, Killer Current are the only good duos to me it seems

the rest range from meh to useless to actively bad

I love Danaid but I wish we had both Danaid and Spiteful Strength in the game

just make them not stackable

King's and Queen's is funny but it's rarely actually the practical choice for your build

[uneven palm]

I miss Spiteful Strength. That was a fun one to go for. Fun puzzle to see how you can survive without a boon on attack/special for a bit

[timber pawn]

It was really strong initially because it had super broad requirements, I remember patch 1/2 haha

[uneven palm]

haha for sure it was like any defensive Heph boon

[timber pawn]

And born gain at the beginning there lol

'ah yes infinite mana and great defense, let's add in 200% on attack and special in one boon on top'

[past salmon]

My first Moros 50F clears was spiteful I think lmao
"Oh you mean I can start born gain, grab a heph boon I wanted anyway and then get a billion damage?"

[timber pawn]

It was fiiine

[silent crow]

boreal gust the heph blast duos beach ball burning desire sun worshiper & cherished heirloom r all pretty great no?

[silent crow]

steam is like 3x hailstorm dmg tho 😭

[half sigil]

That’s a pretty low bar, hailstorm dmg is pretty pitiful

Also doesn’t steam delete one of the other curse like scorch iirc? Kinda sucks for orig

[silent crow]

well yeah but 150dps tho..

[half sigil]

150 dps or 50% global dmg buff

Hmm tough choice 😂

I’m not hating on steam it’s fun

[silent crow]

depends honestly for me

for how many requirements it has it probably shouldnt remove orig tho

anyone else think poseidon cast is underrated

[half sigil]

just you i think

[spare kite]

That thing sure exists

[silent crow]

idk its a lot of dm g

its weirdly rarity reliant tho

[uneven palm]

It chunks with rarity and poms, and there's no penalty for adding Geyser Spout. Aiming that sucker on controller is no fun tho

[magic moss]

so with Tidus clearing persephone 50 on surface, every single surface bounty has been claimed

New idea: To replace the surface bounty board I instead do a randomizer for arcana (maybe like have to take these 3 cards) and core boons and create a bounty board for that with a weekly or biweekly reset. Would that sound interesting?

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247919379245436991/1313297362784882729/image.png?ex=674f9efb&is=674e4d7b&hm=012c338de9a5cbc0f6e8cbd492e46b42e20d1b7930583f79346ae1dbb2db8b2f& Experimental Bounty Board is up

[minor willow]

what Staff aspect should I pour my darkness into

[magic moss]

momus

[sage flame]

the codex :smug:

[tall notch]

Yeah triple earth was a totally fine meta

[past salmon]

Still less broken then whatever TF the current meta is

I'm seeing clears with people taking like 500+ damage from Chronos like wtf 😭

[cursive oyster]

athena is a very balanced mechanic

[steel sequoia]

triple earth wasnt only more busted than old momus and hera old gain smh.

[twilit tendon]

what was her old gain again ?

[uneven palm]

It worked the same but primed way less. Like 10 at common?

In practice it was infinite magick

[twilit tendon]

oh okay I thought it was a different effect

appart from the sorceress card I barely remember how the game worked pre-olympic, and I did play a fair amount of run

[granite grove]

there are no fear restraints?

[magic moss]

its 50F unfortunately

[granite grove]

oh easy

ill get on it i had enough of 55 pain

@magic moss also image doesn't say explicitly but do you just need to not start with the prescribed arcana - is getting them through judgement still valid?

[magic moss]

in the victory screen, just mark the 2 required along with judegement and you should be good

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247919379245436991/1313315644992782416/50_F_ZOREPHET_5_ARCANA.JPG?ex=675058c1&is=674f0741&hm=bf62a6b545866bfa19f5fc0e8befa0729931d32b26e172b4b8f13c6226c559e8& something like this but also have judgement pinned

[weak hamlet]

Does the zeus boon that grants chain lightening on strikes at the cost of 50 magic saved work on staff specials, or just mainhand attacks?

[sage flame]

it's worded confusingly and hopefully they make it more clear but yes it's both attacks and specials, which includes omegas, and I think any secondary damage sources from attacks and specials, like poseidon splashes? I'd have to check on that but at the very least it's attacks and specials

[weak hamlet]

thanks. Just need the god of RNG to give me it quickly in a run.

I watched a Haelian run where he used Mel's daggers, got that boon and paired it with Heph's duo to created ungodly lightening chains. Looks hella fun and would be even more deadly from range.

[hollow briar]

Yeah, Static Shock is insane on pretty much everything

Clears Wards, bounces to multiple foes, deals sizable damage over the course of the run, etc etc

[half sigil]

Even without duo at base by itself it’s super strong

Especially on blades cause they hit fast

[magic moss]

sheet has been updated

[cursive oyster]

static shock is in like top 5 boons imo

[pearl roost]

Hey, so I've recently started trying out fear 50 underworld clears. I've gotten relatively close a couple times, Chronos fight, final zone. A lot of my trouble comes from bleeding health in erebus and barely clearing the time. Like half the time I've run out of time going into Hecate. Any general advice?

[cursive oyster]

take non-menu rooms (mana, hp, gold) past room 5, they are the only rooms that give you a chance at nem/arty/cocoon. if you run strength, you can still heal using breath of eros, preserved hope, and fight fight fight from echo

[pearl roost]

I've been doing best with Eos aspect and Moros on torches

[cursive oyster]

from there it really depends on your weapon

if you struggle with time i do not recommend eos

[tall notch]

On Moros, click Hecuba so that a gain isn't a hard priority if you haven't already

[tall notch]

Oh yeah, Eos is lovely but it can be slow

[pearl roost]

yeah, good shout, although Frinos is just so good in the hecate fight

[cursive oyster]

moros doesn’t need hecuba eye em oh

frinos is just amazing for survivability

[pearl roost]

Hera and Demeter continue to carry me mostly on any successfulish run

[tall notch]

More damage is amazing for survivability too, and with Hecuba you can pick damage boons and ignore mana until like fields

[cursive oyster]

funny tech i learned is taking hecuba and then getting plentiful forage/uncanny fortitude lets you also have budget frinos

[pearl roost]

I feel like i never take mana and its usually not an issue just cause i'm dashing and dont' have time for omega moves

[cursive oyster]

moros does not need damage from anyone you would need a gain from

[pearl roost]

might just be a skill issue though

[tall notch]

You might be playing it slightly wrong, Moros wants omega special up like all the time

[pearl roost]

yeah, that's how i usually did it fear 32 and got along great, i probably just need to practice my positioning and timing more with all the enemies

thanks for all the advice! I appreciate the feedback and hope to report back with a win eventually!

[tall notch]

Gl!! We believe in you

[cursive oyster]

you can do it

[magic moss]

ill be waiting o7

[velvet sentinel]

Does anyone know off the top of their head if Weed Killer (Demeter, O-Attack deals +% damage but uses +10 Magick) works well with the Moonstone Axe's spin attack?

I think in a previous update I took this boon or a similar one and it added cost for every charge of the attack or something

It could have been Ygnium though

[cursive oyster]

you are thinking of ygnium, axe oattack is great with weed killer

[past salmon]

for axe it only adds +10 no matter how much u charge it

[velvet sentinel]

Thank you both! I figured this should be how it works but I was anxious about ruining the run

Oh that's nice. I also have a Daedalus upgrade to charge it faster. Hopefully this will carry me through 32F surface

[obsidian remnant]

i'm trying to do 16 fear surface with the staff and i've never had an issue with 7min vow runs until today, it is so s l o w

[sage flame]

surface is rough out there, specifically thessaly

[obsidian remnant]

tbf i did have the chaos curse where you take damage if you cast, that probably didn't help, but this thing is giving me carpal tunnel for very slow room clears lol

[half sigil]

it works very well, i did a surface run with it earlier it does a lot of dmg

[analog ether]

Huh. You can run into Icarus on Olympus

[half sigil]

Yea

[obsidian remnant]

i'm using heph's attack for the first time and the animation delay on it is insane

also why am i getting a heph hammer sound on my omega moves when it's not even activating!

[deft carbon]

So, am I the only one that rarely uses charged moves? I find they have such a long windup for very little in the way of damage

[uneven palm]

Depends on the aspect kinda. Like Momus, Pan, maybe Artemis, all the torches, Charon, maybe Thanatos, Persephone, Selene are going to be pretty Omega heavy

[tall notch]

People actually use the aspect on momus now? When I did it, you'd get the op hammers and spam basic attack lol

[cursive oyster]

new sorc works wonders

[uneven palm]

New Sorceress, no Panic, less punishing Hubris, Hecuba all very helpful. Even if I got the good basic attack hammers I’d at least do Omega cast turrets.

[low bear]

New sorc, and using the omega at least is pretty nice in some scenarios. O cast great for in between waves too

[uneven palm]

For sure, triple o cast is like the best magick -> damage available

[cloud scarab]

Born Gain + Incandescant Aura is pretty nice additional damage

[past salmon]

You use the aspect until the game presents you with a funny hammer and then forge the aspect exists

[cursive oyster]

so true

[severe thorn]

How could one build aspect of eos? Any suggestions?

[sour viper]

For Argent Skull + Aspect of Melinoe, how does the damage on Wide Grin hammer work?
Is it the damage as though no skulls fired or all skulls?

[spare kite]

previous patches has been no skulls fired, dunno currently

[sage flame]

the funniest version is going for an epic heph attack boon to rarify to heroic then pom down to 2 seconds and let the ghost clang around

otherwise hera attack is usually the play (like almost always)

then a magick regen and whatever you want on special really, zeus can be good

[uneven palm]

Hera or Apollo attack, Zeus is great on special. You can get a jank gain Eos doesn’t use a ton of magic. The “Clean” hammers are best but Triple Comet is very spicy here

Add Weed Killer for more fun

[rain cipher]

Hera?

My last Moros run I ended up getting greedy and adding Blood Line too, my Born Gain wasn't lasting through Eris. Saved before Prometheus by a lucky Chaos roll for Will.

[magic moss]

just a heads up yall, I will be having an exam on friday that I will need to lock in for so keep pinging me I am keeping note of all the clears its just the sheet wont be updated til like saturday

[rain cipher]

What are you collecting clears of?

[magic moss]

50 fear, see my bio for the sheet

[rain cipher]

Curious what kinds of Arcana setups people have saved, namely what particular cards they're built around.

For me at least, I always want dice, but then I have different setups with different combinations of Death, Strength, Artificer, etc.

[magic moss]

the branch resources sheet has some commonly used setups if you want to check them out

[rain cipher]

Oh neat. Where's that at? ("Branch"?)

[magic moss]

linked on the intro page of the sheet

[rain cipher]

"Options to download, print, and copy have been disabled on this file" 🙃. I hate google docs sometimes.

[magic moss]

ive had someone directly copy and paste my entire sheet and try to advertise it as their own on reddit so i disabled that option :(

[rain cipher]

Damn that sucks.

Death not working on Momus or Charon is so disappointing. The former I get since there's a normal attack in between, but I would think the latter would work :(.

I still don't have a good sense of which vows to pick but I'm also not consistently beating gramps yet and still <10F. Mostly I just take Time, Pain and Frenzy currently.

[uneven palm]

Death kinda sorta works on Momus but it’s only the initial, not the turret echoes. Still worth considering imo since you’re rotating omegas anyway

[rain cipher]

I meant Moros, not sure why I keep mixing those up in my head.

[spare kite]

Charon really shouldn't get a free 15% crit lol

[uneven palm]

That’d be insane

[stable lichen]

good luck- im sure you'll do fine :)

[rain cipher]

Ok but.... what if it did >:)

And I mean it's not free, you still have to charge up an Ω cast and special in turn..

[stable lichen]

its charon

he would never allow anything to be free

[spare kite]

Then at that point the aspect doesn't matter no

Charon can't manually blow up omega casts

If it worked with the normal casts that'd just be busted

[main beacon]

would it be op to have hermes boon called something like "smuggle bucks" that lets you take a portion of unspent money from a night into the next one lol

[half sigil]

He already has quick bucks it’s kinda redundant

[main beacon]

yeah but epic synergy when i end up with 1000 gold and nowhere to spend it thanks to quick bucks/other stuff like that, and it could roll over letting you start off with 10-30% of that gold

[half sigil]

Sounds like something I would never ever take personally

[main beacon]

yeah it would max help with only one shop lol. scratch that

different topic, i found something out about vow of forefit. it doesn't affect those double dueling boon rooms :0 one appeared as my "first" boon room yet neither turned into onions.

[mortal vapor]

i didn't know you could get a trial first room

[main beacon]

it was in tartarus, appearing as an alternate encounter to the numbered chambers. following the trial room, it let me go to a room with a demeter boon which promptly became an onion lol

[past mist]

hey, can anyone tell me why tall order is worded the way it is?

'infused damage: 20%' is a weird wording

[frigid lance]

This game’s weird obsession with putting meaningless green values under boon descriptions never fails to confuse me; like, “scorch duration: infinity”. Yeah, that was already pretty clear.

[granite grove]

i feel like thats some form of safety net for people not as experienced with English language, since the regular wording can get a bit confusing or have some more specific vocabulary it might be easier to see "scorch duration : infinity" as a "oh it just makes my scorch not deplete ok"

[past salmon]

I think you overestimate people's reading comprehension

[granite grove]

Thats how I took it at least

[granite grove]

this too tbf

[twilit timber]

I love the green highlights

Tells me what part of the boon is upgradable i.e. tells me what number I need to care about xD

[twilit timber]

Probably because it's 'infusing' the damage using elements?

[twilit tendon]

btw are +% dmg from different sources additive or exponential ?

[twilit timber]

Additive

[twilit tendon]

damn sad :c

but understandable cuz it could go really crazy

[stable lichen]

why does the knives hammer that makes you throw your omega spesh forward exist

just seems like “we have pan at home”

even on pan there are better special hammers (cough spiral cough)

and i think it locks you out of spiral which is not ideal

[low bear]

well if you're at your 2nd hammer alredy and you don't get anything better you could take it for safety

although ironically it's worse in Pan because it doesn't pierce when you have your cast down unlike the other two

[winged tiger]

any cheese methods to beat 32 heat?

[tall notch]

It would make high fear really tedious as you'd be encouraged to do a low fear gold farm before every attempt

[frigid lance]

if you mean 32 fear, its probably easiest rn using pan knives and athena's keepsake with Strength arcana, then rerolling for mental block from her and wave flourish from poseidon. Once you have these boons, you can walk up to enemies, begin charging omega special, then press cast if you feel you are in danger (it doesn't interrupt the charge), then the special should obliterate the enemy. then run away until your cast dissappears and then do it again. Take spiral knives if you see it.

[stable lichen]

i guess

but arent the other two aspects mostly attack based anyways

youd probably have minimal upgrades on your special and it would be pretty late to start pivoting by the time of the second hammer ig

[silent crow]

artemis aspect special builds are real

[stable lichen]

wait does it also buff the special

idk my go to for artemis is just omega attack spam

[silent crow]

yes

mel aspect backstab applies to both atk and special and artemis crit chance is for the next 9 strikes of any type

[stable lichen]

huh

[uneven palm]

I think it’s because you can get the boon but it’s inactive because you have like 1 of some of the elements. So it’s trying to clarify that the damage boost is for when the infusion is “live”

[uneven palm]

Yeah Artemis basic special can go hard https://youtu.be/RwFUTN8d3yI?si=diDlOoUkVny5S1pY the special pierces, hits multiple enemies, and can crit both ways on Riposte for zero magick

I dunno that it’s better than Wicked Onslaught or Explosive Ambush but it works

[uneven palm]

It isn’t great but on Pan you can blast single enemies from a distance without casting. Got me through 50F but yeah it’s the worst Pan hammer

[low bear]

I meant this more for Pan. Since you're using the aspect you should be building the special from the beginning anyway so it's at least not a dead pull if you happen to get it as your 2nd hammer with no other choices being better (the attack focused ones where you haven't built for that).

I don't think it's that bad but it would defo. be a low priority hammer for my first hammer since Spiral is so strong.

[summer timber]

If you have Apollo Nova Strike and Dazzling Display, can you replace the attack and still keep the daze effect?

[cursive oyster]

yes

[summer timber]

That's great thanks

Put a heroic flutter strike on there

[stable lichen]

ooo

seems kinda cool

using the straightforward throw hammer on that might work ig

[past salmon]

it's debatable I think
I've used both for speeds and high fear
Specials might be better overall but mashing attack is simpler for monkey brain so

[waxen nest]

U are telling me that the Hermes shop offered 194hp food after the next encounter which was after Eris and there was food at CHARONS SHOP which only costed 90 and I couldn’t afford it
My 32 fear runs get cooked everytime😭

[rain cipher]

What are good boons for Medea?

[low bear]

hera attack zeus spec, arctic ring for safety

mental block as well

[wintry idol]

once while I was watching hades 1 stream, the streamer read hermes Swift Flourish* (or maybe it was the dash boon, idont remember anymore, its been a year) boon.
"hm 'Your special is +20% faster', ok but what does that do?"

at the time I was flabbergasted.
but we all don't know how to read sometimes

[granite grove]

for what it's worth there is both the "the animation for specials is 20% faster" and the " special's projectile is 20% faster" idea even though its still odd to ask that

[past mist]

it can be pretty hard to be certain what any given 'faster' actually means, or what will impact it

(if you are engaging purely with the game and not any surrounding community)

[main beacon]

https://i.imgur.com/kweZn9H.png dang, which one for aspect of thanatos?

[half sigil]

Seething

[past mist]

all of them, but seething

[sage flame]

seething so good

[cursive oyster]

i think seething and the two wicked hammers are the best in the game

[rain cipher]

So basically same as Moros got it lol

[half sigil]

same as 99% of weapons lol

[sage flame]

real

[past mist]

zeus spec is optional but yeah

for '99% of weapons'

[low bear]

pretty much lmao

[hexed field]

going into hecate fight the build is as follows:

aspect of thanatos
furious whirlwind
level 3 heroic nova strike
epic solar ring
epic thunder sprint
level 2 epic static shock
epic support fire
rare nimble mind

the gods have gifted me a free win

[bleak night]

that's pretty good

[pseudo sequoia]

seething marauder my beloved (free wards clear)

i miss advancing whirlwind i think it was really fun but seething is just Better somehow lmao

[prisma nimbus]

So, I've beat the game and looking to try a few broken builds for fun that are bad enough to be likely to get nerfed to Tarturus before 1.0 release. Does anyone have any good ones? I mean the REALLY stupid ones haha 😄

[cursive oyster]

aspect of pan with wave flourish and spiral knives, moros torches with whatever channel speed you can find, another one is to try and get a good kings ransom run going with stuff like blitz storm ring and static shock, and lastly born gain bloodline mel torches with omega attack spam

[magic wyvern]

Which aspect for the black coats should I upgrade and use?

[silent crow]

theyre all good but ifyou like the omega moves use selene and if you like the normal moves use nyx

[magic wyvern]

okok thank you ill try out selene first

[arctic marten]

Hello can someone explain how soot sprint from Hestia works? Do you have to dash through the projectile for it to take effect?

[half sigil]

If you dash around or at projectile they won’t hit you and disappear

[arctic marten]

Oh thank you :0

[cursive oyster]

only works on some projectiles though

[magic moss]

sheet has been updated

[cursive oyster]

oh seven

[harsh skiff]

i found ||hades|| and i was wondering which of his boon would be better to take the option are ||unseen ire, old grudge, and, last gap|| i only have 1 death defiance unlocked so idk how usefull ||last gap|| is gonna be for me and i am using the default weapon for melinoe

[low bear]

out of those Old Grudge is probably the best

Deep Dissent is probably the best though or LIfe Tax if you need the healing and don't have vow of scars on

[past salmon]

Old grudge is decent
It can make the second round of ads not spawn most of the time

[uneven palm]

Deep Dissent at home haha

[half sigil]

Honestly I kinda not like deep dissent cause the hitch makes the boss takes more dmg cause more ads

[prisma nimbus]

Will try this, thanks

[low bear]

counter point tempus

for safety if you aren't going for speed/high fear howling soul could be nice too esp if you have something like storm ring

its value drops as you get better against Chronos though and if you don't have storm ring and maybe anvil

[past salmon]

I never take howling
I hate ranged casts in general

I don't like having a delay on when my cast comes out and also I'd like it to just be 100% accurate
so like, ontop of me like normal

[low bear]

yeah that's fair I think it's bad too but it is extremely safe if you're just going for the win and don't have Chronos memorized yet

my first ever win was lightning lance + anvil ring I think lmao

[half sigil]

I like lightning lance

[spare kite]

@somber delta unless they changed that I'm pretty sure love handles already works with s.disposition

[uneven palm]

I've been really struggling with Lightning Lance on controller this patch. It used to just instantly auto-target the closest enemy if you tapped cast

[somber delta]

I didn't notice that with my last playthrough, there was only ever one

Although.... i could honestly just be wrong and my brain farted 🤧

[half sigil]

Yea I should say it feels really good on mkb, but when I play on my deck I avoid all ranged casts

[somber delta]

I'll have to double-check my last build to see if I didn't accidentally skip over Sunny Disposition ahah

[spare kite]

https://youtu.be/aPCOjJPhSQA

[somber delta]

Woops, I'll remove that bit of feedback then LMFAO

And yes I did skip over the boon bc I was so preoccupied with the feedback, was a little dumb there 😅

[spare kite]

Lmfao

[blissful sphinx]

theoretically... could echo offer you a ||hades|| boon if you had it the previous night?

come to think of it echo probably could offer you a dionysus boon... in the underworld lol

[silent crow]

she can yes

[stable lichen]

is there a way to dodge grandpa's second phase slowdown

like always somehow get hit by it and there doesnt really seem to be any obvious trigger

granted it isnt the most devastating attack on account of it doing zero damage but it still annoys me

[cursive oyster]

it’s not dodgeable

he just does it

[stable lichen]

oh

huh

[surreal hazel]

Also kinda makes attacks easier to avoid since it extends dash invuln frames

[sage flame]

u can use phase shift to cancel it technically

if its a problem but it usually isnt

[radiant stirrup]

using pan knives, does explosive intent from icarus count for EACH knife in the special? if so thats kinda insane

oh no, it works

time to blow up the entire screen

[surreal hazel]

Also fun with axe attack omega and torches generally

The visual soup can make it hard to see enemy attacks though

[lost path]

They might as well rename Aspect of Charon on the Axe to Aspect of Apollo for how much I use his Keepsake to start the run. >.> His mana regen, special attack and Legendary synergize too perfectly! Feels sub-optimal to use any other god haha.

[stable lichen]

i actually like hera or zeus on the special for easy origination

probably a hot take though

i will go for lucid gain every time though

[sage flame]

hera special goes nuts

[half sigil]

I use Hera special yea a lot. Hitch is nice + origination

[stuck ether]

Special ranking could prob be like
Apollo
Hera
Zeus/dem

[stable lichen]

i think zeus > dem because if you're using dem in the pool odds are its gonna be arctic ring and thats not proccing origination with double freeze

[stuck ether]

Yeah its mainly if you went like engagement ring

[stable lichen]

speaking of which i think i have a problem

like 80% of my runs end up with arctic ring

is this the new divine dash (excluding mental block)

[half sigil]

i mean it's the best cast

altho in most runs i pick up the first cast i see nowadays, unless it's like apollo or anvil ring

[stable lichen]

heph is weird

like his supports are just so broken but his cores are questionable

[half sigil]

questionable is a nice way to put it

[stable lichen]

at least they're funny to hear

hearing stuff go CLANG CLANG CLANG gives me an eargasm

[half sigil]

the audio is very good yea

[sage flame]

i wanna like anvil ring

[stable lichen]

why is it not a blast effect

it just does questionable damage and nothing else

at least its not fixed gain

[sage flame]

fr

[stable lichen]

heph is just armour man for me ngl

[uneven palm]

Blasts are fine on lower fears but once Rebuke is in play hard pass I can’t blow 16s of damage on a blue heart. Heph cast is ehhh maybe fine on Persephone against crowds but there’s nowhere to go with it.

That new Heph sprint is pretty bad

[uneven palm]

Fixed Gain is IMO underrated because a lot of aspects just need some gain and on the fights long enough to make that true you’ll probably get hit. Or at least I do haha

Underrated is not good, mind you

[humble tiger]

I like Heph strike/flourish when it's on my "off" attack that I almost never use. Torches' secondary for most runs is a good candidate.

[half sigil]

I just don’t like things that require you to get hit.

Also if you run huntress it’s annoying

[radiant stirrup]

I just casually no hit Eris... wtaf its 3am

[twilit timber]

Fixed gain is great for noobs like me too since we are always taking some damage anyways

The only time I find it lacking is when I have stacked an insane number of damage resistances from lovers/snow Queen/Hermes/heph boon that gives invincibility at the start and end up not taking damage for like 30s

Or longer

But then again I am never taking fixed gain when I have a build that gets neutered without magic anyways

Like I frequently take fixed gain with coat because usually I play punch heavy and only use the occasional o-spec for inflicting status or the emergency o-attack block here and therw

[past salmon]

shoutsout fixed gain having 3x worse DR than Glamour gain 🔥 🔥 🔥

[tall notch]

I like anvil ring when I don't need my origination curse from cast

[twilit timber]

I mean if I have Aphro in my god pool why would I bother with heph gain lol

Usually with coat I will have Poseidon or hera/zeus/dem/heph as my god pool

If it's Poseidon on attack almost always I take fixed gain

I have a love hate thing with glamour gain cz on a mana heavy build it is too weak to take but it is also the simplest most effective easiest just select and forget gain 😭

Also I find it funny how that one arcana card requires five grasp and gives less regen than unpommed common glamour gain lol

[stable lichen]

fair

i guess its better than tranquil gain

[bleak night]

Tranquil Gain aint that bad

I'd suggest they change the way it works tho

cut the ratios down (nerf numbers wise), but make it start the moment you stand still

[stable lichen]

maybe its my adhd speaking but i just really really hate standing still in such a movement based game like this

[prime tinsel]

Just returned to the game... they removed hook knives?

[cursive oyster]

because it’s part of the base kit now yippee!

[prime tinsel]

yippee indeed

[prime tinsel]

wait my knives are not returning when i use omega tho

[cursive oyster]

its only the base yeah

[sage flame]

base special got a big lift up

[obsidian remnant]

so i got offered the same boon by chaos twice - chant / gagged chant, a 42% increase to omega moves per aether boon. if i picked that one up again, does anyone know how that would work / stack?

[silent crow]

they stack

[obsidian remnant]

dang

i wound up going with another choice but that's good to know

[radiant stirrup]

I really cant get the hang of the new weapon, whats the go to combos? it feels clunky to me

[half sigil]

Selene is a bit different, but with nyx and Mel coat you want to alternate between attack and special

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247919379245436991/1315569126013407282/image.png?ex=6757e2b9&is=67569139&hm=a6c7e03ff918a105c67cb98c3aa99a64c973a47492c4184c4bf2532b18a41a32& New Bounty Board is up with an additional challenge

[jolly violet]

quick question: does king's/queen's ransom apply for all future boons of the god sacrificed, or only the current collected boons?

[bleak night]

Current

[jolly violet]

darn

[stable lichen]

at least you can get it multiple times after selling it which is fun

[surreal hazel]

Hera's legendary is oddly great for feeding king's ransom

You don't lose the infusions unless it's proper upbringing

[twilit timber]

Spam attack with the occassional tap on special to inflict second curse for origination. If you get the hammer that auto fires your special on attacking, just spam attack and win

If you can get Hermes sprint and Apollo sprint on max Mel Aspect you can also forget about winning and just laugh yourself to death watching Mel turn into a 5yo on a sugar rush, especially if you get circe's chibi boon

It's stupid how fast Mel becomes

Even without any other speed buffs Mel aspect at rank 4 can already outrun hecate's sheep bomb for context

Like straight outrun, no dashing through it

I think imma record next time I get that combo

[stable lichen]

is it just me or do i consistently find hecate harder than the sirens at +40% speed

aside from me constantly forgetting that jetty somehow isnt affected by casts

[spare kite]

@rain jewel denial'd boons are already crossed out in the codex

[tall notch]

It can what

[twilit timber]

You can outrun the sheep bomb

Like you don't need dodge through it, just keep running away from it and you will be fine

[rain jewel]

Ah i see, but the others not.

[tall notch]

That's wild

[twilit timber]

Yeah but rip if you run into one of the witches or the trees

[rain jewel]

But i changed my feedback, ty

[tall notch]

I'll never forget pencil meta, hard to believe it's actually gone sometimes

[cursive oyster]

honestly they should have just let us suffer

[stable lichen]

new vow just makes your screen black so you have to play blind relying on sound effects

[half sigil]

And at level 2 it also removes the audio

[stable lichen]

nah it randomises the audio

would make it hilarious

[stable lichen]

am i having a skill issue or are stunning fangs 2 enemies just completely unfair

i just got wiped from full in tartarus by a hordes 3 fangs 2 room with like 40 armoured goldbags with stun

[uneven palm]

The stun fang is sometimes a run-ender yeah

[stable lichen]

omg its you

LOVED your H1 build bible, thank you for your service

H2 build bible when

[uneven palm]

lol when major patches don’t force me to rewrite 50% of it

[stable lichen]

lmao fair enough

[uneven palm]

I have it mostly written but I know deep down in my soul that I’ll hit publish and these guys will do something like remove Hitch or drop Blitz and blow up the meta

[cursive oyster]

blitz my beloved

[gaunt escarp]

What the blast am I supposed to do about that sheep bomb otherwise? Am I just meant to take it and be a sheep for a bit or is there supposed to be some kind of counterplay

[twilit timber]

You can dash through it

[twilit timber]

https://youtu.be/6TYp_gtHNFI?si=IVWeHKmkDFxMO3Sr check the first few seconds of this vid, you have to dash into it as it's slightly slower when changing directions, then keep sprinting until your dash refills ( the dark line behind you comes back into you ) and then dash into the sheep bomb again and repeat

But with aspect of Mel coat ranked up, your sprint is faster than the projectile so you can just run away from it and be fine

[gaunt escarp]

Thank you!

[stable lichen]

i am a dumbass

totally did not forget i had frenzy 2 on and decided to try that

[cloud scarab]

am I missing something or are the fists pretty bad compared to the other weapons?

[stable lichen]

slap zeus on the attack and you're golden

(also you probably wanna do this in the H1 channels)

[surreal hazel]

I've decided that Posideon waves are actually viable on Thanatos

the sheer size of them when used with the axe attacks is bananas

[silent crow]

only with oatk imp

with the normal hits u lose % buffs on the 80 and 160 dmg hits

[surreal hazel]

Yeah but... both the strike and wave get %bonuses

If you get global ones

And dashing heave exists. And the waves are biiiig

[bleak night]

DASHING HEAVE

[surreal hazel]

Never a wrong choice

[cloud scarab]

I meant the rocket pack with the gloves in h2 just couldn't remember the name

[surreal hazel]

the fists are honestly great

can make basically anything work

[nimble lichen]

Am I the only one doing Aphrodite, Demeter, Ephesus and Hermes builds? Sometimes I put in other gods like Zeus or Hera. But I never use Poseidon

[surreal hazel]

Posideon has a lot going for him

and has great duos for those first three

[nimble lichen]

I usually go Demeter cast and dash, Aphrodite attack and magick boon sometimes special (that can be zeus), Hermes speed up attack, Ephesus side boons and Hera the damage reflect boon

[surreal hazel]

Nasty comeback?

That's probably the most humdrum hera boon going, considering what she has to offer

[stable lichen]

poseidon is niche but he gets the job done in those niche cases imo

knockback got gutted though

[cursive oyster]

decently sure ephesus is a city

[torn surge]

static shock makes wards and greater quantity irrelevant

[stable lichen]

static shock is great

[stable lichen]

imagine if they made the other attacks from H1 stackable on your attacks like static shock lol

stacking 2 aphro attacks on each other would be insane

[jolly violet]

Thanks for the axe guide btw mynt superb depth, helped me clear fears for nightmare
Still can't get the rhythm of cloak though, hope they adjust it
Now if only there's a guide for Medea skull... I suck at it

[bleak night]

glad it helped~

[uneven palm]

Medea is super fun. Use Huntress and burn an Omega move each chamber then kinda forget they exist. The loop is zip up, attack, special through, repeat the other way. Rip and tear until it is done. Load up extra skulls to open against armored baddies and hopefully you break their armor. Start with Zeus special or Hera/Apollo/Aphro/Dem attack. Add Demeter or Heph for defense because you’re always in baddies’ faces. Best hammers are Possessed, Colossus Driver, and Bolstered. Here’s a 32F surface I did with it but I’m far from the best Medea player in the world https://youtu.be/pZE_bWqJlE0?si=1g7DioMDvg1Hgfjo

[jolly violet]

Thanks for the pointers! I play it too much like beo shield from Hades 1 so I'm just ramming Mel's face against like 50 damage a room

[surreal hazel]

Probably the most bananas thing about static shock is that they clearly gave it low base damage to make it work with air quality.... then they went and gave it linear pom scaling

like, what.

[stable lichen]

i mean im definitely not complaining

getting H1 lightning strike which stacks with your regular attacks and specials is extremely fun

also is it just me or do i just not see much in storm ring

id rather just take arctic ring basically every time not only for origination but also for phenomenal crowd control

and if you really do want lightning you're already halfway to hail storm

[low bear]

Arctic is better most of the time yes but Storm Ring is probably the 2nd best cast

if you don't need the freeze utility then Storm Ring is quite strong

[stable lichen]

maybe its because i use max hordes but i do find that arctic tends to do more things for me

i take it every time for stuff like persephone even though storm ring is the mainstream choice there

[radiant stirrup]

erm, can I get all pls
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1316008639894523928/1316008682764369960/image.png?ex=67597c18&is=67582a98&hm=efa6c6f6d99fde63f7d634ca7e51ab215f63c061ad986cbf7c5c54ac5405a3a2&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=810&height=456

[bleak night]

Which one did you get

[radiant stirrup]

psychic

glad I did, got explosive intent from icarus

[bleak night]

Oh, fair enough. I'd have gone Seething every time

[radiant stirrup]

also have incandescent aura and executioners chop, about to pick up furious whirlwind

this build is evil

[bleak night]

noice

this is Than right ?

[radiant stirrup]

yeah, I wanted to pick rapid slash bc funy more atk speed but I knew psychic was gonna be better

[bleak night]

Seething is really damn good ngl

it also works on Whirlwind, so it's also +660 damage to your fully charged Omega Attack

[radiant stirrup]

I've been using seething and dashing heave, its really good

[bleak night]

oh sadly those two dont work together

[radiant stirrup]

wha

I swear I've done it before, just yesterday

[bleak night]

ye they made it so Seething doesnt work on dash attacks sadly

[radiant stirrup]

I probably had too much stuff on the screen to realize it wasnt working

I just took out half of Talos health with one omega atk

[bleak night]

Nice

[radiant stirrup]

explosive intent is too fun, cant see anything but who needs that when big damage

[twilit timber]

Any roadmap for a max health and decent damage build? Gonna be playing eternity I want to rock enough hp that I can take 1k damage from prommy and still win

[bleak night]

just fight him normally until he's a few hits from dying and then let him do 1k damage to you, then kill him

[twilit timber]

I need to have enough hp to survive the 1k damage

[bleak night]

probs Phoenix Skin

[twilit timber]

Last time I reached him with 375 + 3 revivrs and only took 855

[bleak night]

don't need that much HP, just heal it

[twilit timber]

Was left with like 13 hp at the end

[bleak night]

auto regen should help you with that

[twilit timber]

Yeah can gun for that

[bleak night]

with Phoenix Skin you should easily tank 5000 damage

[twilit timber]

Awesome, gonna do it sometime this week when work is less hectic

[humble tiger]

Gale Force / Storm Ring combo for decent damage, slow effect that lasts long, and origination proc

[twilit timber]

Does forage give decent enough hp boost? My plan usually is just getting water fitness and stacking Poseidon/Demeter boons when I want a beefy tank build

[stable lichen]

yeah that's a decent compromise

[sage flame]

if you can get it early it's nice

I always take shovel on my runs just in case I get that boon

[stable lichen]

i only use it if i have hecuba or shovel ngl

its weird that none of the other tools get a corresponding boon

[bleak night]

wouldn't be surprised if that's a future boon they add

[sage flame]

fishing boon returns

[cursive oyster]

honestly a poseidon boon that gives gold when you fish would be peak

[sage flame]

make me wanna fish almost

[cursive oyster]

how much gold would be fair?

[blissful sphinx]

I honestly like plentiful forage.... but I don't get why its levels are capped lmao

[sage flame]

40 at common? if you get 5 hp (1/5 of a major reward centaur heart) for forage and that includes dig spots and collectable plants you could do 2/5 of a gold major reward since you'll be getting less fish spots in general

tho tbf I maybe see 2 fishing spots a region MAX with toula and rod equipped

so even more wouldn't break anything I bet

[cursive oyster]

maybe 50/60/70/80

forage also works on two harvest types so it is allowed to be stronger

hear me out:
fishing also fishes up 1/2/3/4 random minor finds

[sage flame]

yoo

now youe cooking with gas

[cloud scarab]

are "strikes" only attacks or also specials? (asking for static shock)

[cursive oyster]

strikes refer to attacks and specials

[steady sphinx]

Hey all, I have a stupid question. Is there a place where builds for H2 are shared or something organized? Or is searching the aspect I'm looking for in this channel the only way to do it really?

[cursive oyster]

you could always ask how a specific aspect is commonly built, searching the aspect could also be a good idea, and there is also a sheet managed by mininet that tracks every clear at 50 fear above, with attached victory screens, so you could check there for builds

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit

[stuck token]

Does anything do as much damage as Aphrodite special + aspect of pan?

[cursive oyster]

you can come close with bloodline torches

[stuck token]

That's the closest I've gotten too

[cursive oyster]

or a good king’s ransom

probably also poseidon special on pan

[stuck token]

I just started trying aphrodite with pan and I'd never done something like this before pan + aphrodite

[sour viper]

Does engraved pin count for as a death defiance for strength?

[spare kite]

No

[stuck ether]

ive oneshot chronos phases with pos pan

[magic wyvern]

what are good boons for medea?

[cursive oyster]

tbf they are doing like 13k in this image which is about double a p1 chronos phase with grit 3

[tall notch]

Can't go wrong with hera attack zeus special arctic ring

[potent grotto]

Any ideas/suggestions for the Prometheus fight?

I can get to him, but he trashes me once I get there even with like 7 death defiances

His fight makes Chronos look like child's play (although last time I fought Chronos was pre-Olympus update so idk if he's changed any)

[gaunt jetty]

Time slow is good. upgrade it, run away, and then hit him in slow time. weapons that let you dodge while dealing damage like selene coat, flames special, and posessed array skulls are good. I try to dodge more than normal because he is just THAT fast. I honestly struggle with him almost as much as EM [Redacted]. I honestly don't like Prom very much. He has a different design ethos than all other hades I & II bosses.

[sand rampart]

real,,,

[potent grotto]

So what kinda build/boons should I be trying to go for when I start my Olympus side run? The regular build I've been using with Hera boons and the staff just doesn't cut it against him

I mean I'm sure there's a little learning curve to his patterns to figure out since I've only fought him twice, but also he's just fast and commands so much space

[gaunt jetty]

I know. my favorite against him is possessed array skulls & Selene Coat. The way I play, Melinoe skull is the best. when he stops, throw all the skulls at him, then run away and repeat. for selene, activate your hex and run away so it hits him while he chases you. I've also found pan can work. for keepsakes, I'd say fig leaf, tooth(not for strength) or, Hecate on pan. also, you can pause and write down his flames pattern

bear in mind that i'm only a 15-20 F/H player sooo

[magic moss]

#h2-discussion message

[gaunt jetty]

I think they mean builds to FIGHT Prom, not the concept of prom

[magic moss]

oh builds? idk the same thing as UW ig

[blissful sphinx]

one thing that helps me is when he charges a flame attack at me, I position myself at the edge of the map so that the flames take up as little space as possinble

[gaunt jetty]

Prom is hard for us mortals

[magic moss]

the thing about builds is that at its core its essentially the same for both UW and surface

charon still wants lucid gain, pan wants to go poseidon, etc

[sand rampart]

pan wants poseidon? I was going aphro,,,

[blissful sphinx]

also I generally try to stay in movement and always try to get behind him

[magic moss]

most of the struggles around prom is not the build itself, its navigating the fight to actually utilize the build

[magic moss]

aphro is good for guardian damage, poseidon special lets pan obliterate most encounters very quickly, its the speedrun strat for a reason

[sand rampart]

oooh okay

[magic moss]

like most of the builds I could recommend for fighting prom you can copy paste and succeed with the same build in the UW

[blissful sphinx]

pan posseidon is so funny man

[gaunt jetty]

also, aphro is bad if you also want a throwcast

I usually cast, dash back, then channel

[blissful sphinx]

OH if you can get the Sun Worshipper duo boon it does wonder against prometheus (your servant does a ton of damage while you're running away lol)

people don't know yet... but Sun Worshipper is busted

[magic moss]

but in all honestly, the biggest barrier 90% of the time isnt that your build is lacking or you have the wrong build, rather you haven't gotten the fight down to the point where you can actually utilize it

[sand rampart]

i havent used it, if the lil minion is invuln that sounds really good

[blissful sphinx]

I don't think it's invulnerable but it has a massive amount of healt, and it doesn't get targeted by foes

[sand rampart]

oh oki

[blissful sphinx]

the revenants also deal an insane amount of damage

like way more than the night bloom hex if I'm not wrong