h2-builds-and-combat

[surreal hazel]

That might not be possible for technical reasons, or at least a bad idea

[low bear]

if PT increased tick rate, Air Fryer would be insane

[civic ocean]

I did say it was selfish

But also like that is what the wording of pyro technique is right

[surreal hazel]

might cause performance problems if the game is having to render and do scorch-hitch chains 15 times a second

[civic ocean]

Faster

[surreal hazel]

or some nonsense strobing

they put in some anti-annoyance stuff into the new incandescent aura for what seems to be this reason

[civic ocean]

Is 6 frames per second all it can handle?

[surreal hazel]

in a vacuum, sure, but poor performance in games is a death of a thousand cuts in a lot of cases

[civic ocean]

Speaking of things that can also pop off with aq

[surreal hazel]

IA really doesn't benefit much from AQ if you're thinking that

because that boon is much more complicated than the game has room to explain

[civic ocean]

If I regain 1 mana every 0.2 seconds how much does it deal per 0.2 second if aq is active

[surreal hazel]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

the minimum damage it can do is 25

[civic ocean]

Where is the math/testing on this I would like to see it

[surreal hazel]

I read the script

[civic ocean]

So if you are regaining 1 mana per 0.2 seconds incandescent aura is dealing 125 dps

[surreal hazel]

nope

if you're regaining 1 mana every 0.2 seconds it just waits until you've gained 5 mana and then ticks

so it would tick once per second for 25 damage, at its minimum explosion size

[civic ocean]

So the damage only ticks per second regardless?

[surreal hazel]

it checks every 0.2 seconds if you've gained 5 mana since the last time it procced

if not, it just keeps waiting

[civic ocean]

But if you have it goes off

[surreal hazel]

then it takes the mana you've gained since the last time it procced, and multiplies it by 5

and scales the explosion from minimum at 5 mana, and max at 15 or more

[twilit timber]

can someone link me to mininet's sheet

with the builds?

[civic ocean]

Lame

[surreal hazel]

it's a good thing overall

[bleak night]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4

[surreal hazel]

you really don't want this thing ticking like crazy every 0.2 seconds

[civic ocean]

I still havent hit it on the stick staff build with mirrored thrasher

[surreal hazel]

Also needs to be actual mana gain, not excess

but thankfully both hestia and hera can help with that with bloodline and whatever that other fireball special boon is called

[civic ocean]

Now that im grinding surface its interesting how ephyra impacts builds

[surreal hazel]

(Also shoutout to Fixed gain for being actually kinda busted here)

Brave Face, Fixed Gain, Incandescent aura

Explosive armour, always at half damage

And you can throw in a Nasty Comeback if you want

[twilit timber]

woo thanks

[last sun]

i fought prometheus again and ngl his fight is hard. what build should i go for?

[surreal hazel]

The build is mostly unimportant, he will destroy you if you can't react properly to what he's doing

I guess coarse grit will help a lot with his flame wave patterns if you're having trouble there

actual movespeed I've found helps a fair bit

[civic ocean]

Reacting to him properly is challenge atm I feel like most of his attacks are fighter kirby slurry at this point at max frenzy

[lethal pawn]

going along with what other people said, if you're also able to go into a hit and run playstyle it works out usually pretty well. Hitting him once or twice and then moving back/dashing past him to let him use a bunch of his combos and chase you around before you do another hit and run.

[low bear]

I think his Arena is incredibly small too making the fight so much harder

[last sun]

yeah i figured id have to do that. i was thinking about using more long range weapons (or omega attacks) but his combos come in such a flurry its not worth taking that risk

[last sun]

especially when he has huge AOEs that take up MORE space

[lethal pawn]

You cannnnnn use omega depending on some weapons. The fists are actually pretty good as long as you have channel speed but it's just some attacks like the ground slams aren't blockable so the omega special can feel inconsistent

[last sun]

yeah

[lethal pawn]

But if you're walking into the boss with agood amount of HP and a bunch of dmg, you'll usually be pretty okay

[last sun]

i have xinth but id rather not use it when its so underlevelled. i tend to prioritize at least getting some dmg in (or let my cast do some residual damage/the hex) but he moves sooo damn fast 😭

i try to juke him into my total eclipse and it doesnt work

(most of the time.)

[lethal pawn]

Yeah cast builds are tougher against him unfortunately just because of the nature of the fight

[civic ocean]

Also like its not particularly hard but him interrupting the fight twice to play a childrens memory toy game is a maaassive vibe killer

[slate trench]

i remember playing many games as a child where if i lost I got roasted alive

[lethal pawn]

And if you genuinely want some build suggestions... I feel like a lot of it is dependent on the run all the way up to the boss yknow? Like making sure you're on a good bit of health/DD.
So as much as I love daggers on all aspects, I find myself getting caught sometimes with some of the enemies and end up with lower than I should heaalth for the bos. (However, I would try getting a bunch of dmg + crit and then getting aphro legendary, ABSOLUTELY COOKS)
I'm sure you'd find success on charon axe and maybe the torches where iff you hit with ur special the attack blows up. I've been having a bunch of fun with that as well as testing out heph boons on it, super fun.

AND! if no one has told you yet, heph is a solid 4th god in ur pool if you're not necessarily looking for more synergy. A couple of boons where you get armor per room, a bunch of armor at once, invulnerability the first x amount of seconds in a room, stuff like that.

[last sun]

whats DD?

[last sun]

i was thinking of getting those. i feel like i tend to ignore those just for straight damage but i need to wisen up 😭

[cursive oyster]

death definances

[trim shoal]

I really like zeus on aspect of artemis, I know its not meta but I seem to be going faster with it rather than hera, or at least beating scylla with more time on the clock. Is there something I am doing wrong?

[last sun]

OH right. i go in with a lucky tooth and 3 DDs 😭 though i should just get athenas boon of 1 extra one

[nova dune]

Made it to Chronos for the first time in 50F, but ran out of time. This is straight up not very fun

[civic ocean]

Nothing that the Artemis aspect does works with Zeus IIRC you can only critically strike with the weapon itself and not the lightning so the thinking is basically to stack up as much %damage and power on the attack that you can and crit for bananas numbers

Zeus is just kind of straight up a very good God though

[trim shoal]

Yeah, I just dont like hera and want to use another god, zeus is at least stronger than Hestia (in my experience), and the crits activate blitz really fast, and static shock breaks the blue sheild heart things instantly

[summer seal]

Hestia on attack has worked very well for me for Mel and Artemis daggers. Get the aphrodite mana gain and you've got constant divination up. Get demeter on cast and hope for freezer burn. And 4th slot heph is always great

[trim shoal]

Thanks for the recommendation, I assume by "divination" you mean Origination?

[summer seal]

I did

And that setup only gets stronger if you get both the Hestia + Aphrodite and Hestia + Demeter duos

[trim shoal]

2 duos is kind of a tall order on 50F, ill see what I can do

[bleak night]

I'll post the Axe guide tomorrow, the last thing I need to do is hyperlink the clips on imgur to the post itself

Should take maybe 15-20 minutes, but I'm really lazy now lol

[bleak night]

ngl this feels really good https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1304503173351735429/Clip_21.mp4?ex=672fa0c1&is=672e4f41&hm=e826fe923ae9fc37b997aef11f7d3206921c3e6b9281fdad3d0ebb98ade4f0b7&

[twilit timber]

I just got thirst on my axe I will wait till tomorrow now ig, excited to see it

[bleak night]

I'm kinda worried that it's too long, but I did add 3 infographics, a spreadsheet and 22 clips, so hopefully it's enough LMAO

[twilit timber]

nah too much info is never bad

too little, howeverr, is

[surreal hazel]

Turns out Enfeeblement of Cowards and Hard Target stack pretty hard

[bleak night]

@twilit timber https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1gmp85h/hades_ii_nocturnal_arms_guide_zorephet_the/

[twilit timber]

That was fast

guess who's not sleeping now ?

[low bear]

that's fire

[low bear]

additive?

[surreal hazel]

Seems to be?

[low bear]

do you have a clip of what the projetiles look like LOL

[civic ocean]

I did this the other day they go sooooooo slow lol

[twilit timber]

that is so good

just what I was looking for, the infographics are perfeeeectoo, super clean and succinct

[bleak night]

[spare kite]

Btw wasn't silver streak renamed to shadow pounce (Charon section)

[bleak night]

... rip

Too late to change that I think? I'll just edit it tomorrow

When was that renamed exactly? Lmao

[spare kite]

Patch 5 iirc

[bleak night]

But why

The old name was perfectly fine no?

[spare kite]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[trail musk]

Hey, I was wondering if anyone has a fun Skyfall build that I can use, currently with Skyfall I use Demeter attack and aphro other stuff but I wanted to know if anyone else found good synergies between gods.

[rugged moon]

I had fun just doing geyser spout shenagins

[bleak night]

Apollo attack makes your Shield Bash like 2x larger

[rugged moon]

Hera cast, geyser spout, lucid gain. Cast go brr, hex make cast go brrrrrr

[trail musk]

icic

I don't use Apollo much tbh, I mostly just throw him on sprint and not much else

[bleak night]

Idk my brain is just filled with Axe rn since I just finished the guide

I need to play some runs on different weapons, badly

[bleak night]

Hera's always a good choice I feel

[trail musk]

Axe is probably my least played weapon, wasn't really a fan of Arthur in Hades 1 and Axe feels like that to me

[bleak night]

I made a really in-depth guide if you wanna give it another chance

It's way faster than it seems, even on Mel Axe and Charon Axe

[spare kite]

Axe has an actual good kit too

[bleak night]

guess not

I thought Axe was also like Arthur until I played more of it

[trail musk]

Just not a fan of slow swinging weapons, I played mostly fists in Hades 1 for that reason

[bleak night]

It's not really slow on Charon and Than lol

[trail musk]

I'm also not particularly great at the game yet (still on No/Low fear)

[bleak night]

It's just the base aspect that's slow

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1304406809133584446/Clip_15_p2.mp4?ex=672f4702&is=672df582&hm=00a53e165afb8229b4af8ba02b0ca1d930aea8092b2a8bea77ef293b119c1789&

[trail musk]

oh wow

[bleak night]

[spare kite]

Is that clip with sudden cleaver?

[bleak night]

Nope lol

[spare kite]

I hate this game, why doesn't the meter fully fill lmao

[bleak night]

This was a throaway run so I can get some clips

[rugged moon]

When pan get dash while charge

[magic moss]

welp ig in celebration of the guide releasing ill clear my backlog later today

[civic ocean]

Right now in my head it’s to take all of the global damage arcana and go for a decent attack boon and then mix in some flat damage stuff like poseidon waves or heph blasts but still early days

[twilit timber]

Guide is good, though I suck at eris 😭

She ate both my remaining death defiances and I still made it all the way to prometheus with none left

Athena didn't show up in olympus despite having her keepsake ready sadly

[bleak night]

Ye ngl fighting Eris isn't something you can learn off of a guide, she just feels like a knowledge check

[zealous lance]

Even with the knowledge, Eris is a very unforgiving fight

[twilit timber]

I can handle her fine with all the other weapons they all have ranged options, and I get the feeling I would manage it if I built axe on omega special too

fighting here melee is just horrible

[bleak night]

I love losing 150 HP off a single mistake, for sure

[bleak night]

Play around the towers, you can Whirlwind and the damage passes through

[twilit timber]

even poly is super annoying in melee, if you get slightly cornered and he starts stompwaving, its hard to get out without losing 50-60 hp

[bleak night]

Skip to 18:00 to see how I deal with Eris on Melee Axe
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FUuENyLUkRY

[twilit timber]

I swear goddammit, its like I press dash one moment too late or too early and my death defiance is gone

[arctic plover]

is it just me or is eris the hardest fight so far

[low bear]

I agree

[trail musk]

This is really good but also making my head spin at the same time

[magic moss]

nah prom still murders me

[zealous lance]

Prometheus is harder but arguably more fair across his attack repertoire

[twilit timber]

surfaces bosses just feel so much harder than UW lol

[bleak night]

Anything you want me to explain better ?

[civic ocean]

Ive only fought him like 6 times but I do not understand what he is doing other than ignoring my casts and making a combo video on my ass

[zealous lance]

Eris is conceptually easier but more punishing

[low bear]

Surface in general is a lot harder, from normal enemies to bosses

they also do a bajillion damage and are fast af

[bleak night]

I have a 2% winrate in Surface runs above 40 Fear

[twilit timber]

idk eris vs prom, I feel like I can pretty much manage eris as long as I have some range, and I am 2/3 on prometheus so far so I wouldn't comment on that

[bleak night]

that place is haaaaaaaard

[arctic plover]

so far i had trouble with prometheus only because eris ate so much of my hp

[low bear]

they should let us get all the boons in Thesaly

[twilit timber]

also I haven't played above like 6 fear so idk about high fear runs

[low bear]

and the timer stops after the 5th pylon

[trail musk]

So Melinoe, you'd want Dashing Strike, prioritize Hera attack and demeter cast, then most of the other stuff Heph?

[civic ocean]

Theres a trend of eris prometheus and also regular enemies in surface just being straight up faster than you on frenzy max like the laser automation has got the aimbot on fr

[bleak night]

For Mel Axe, yes

[zealous lance]

For lower fear Thessaly makes wayward son less valuable too since there's significantly more encounters than there are locations

[trail musk]

Ok I'll try that

[twilit timber]

same, I reached him with like 90 hp and no dd 😭

[bleak night]

You sure you wanna use Mel Axe for it? Than attacks really quickly and Charon is an artillery-type playstyle

[low bear]

the fire in the arena is just overkill too

[bleak night]

You said you didn't like slow weapons, and Mel is the slowest among the 3

[civic ocean]

Charon seems sort of unplayable on surface right

[low bear]

oh you mispositioned yourself a little bit just once? Say goodbye to all of your lovers barriers

[bleak night]

I did a 50F on it, wasnt bad

[civic ocean]

2 out of the 3 bosses just dont stay in the cast

[twilit timber]

I was on Mel axe with basically that, just apollo and daze instead of heph, was a good run

[bleak night]

Apollo attack is always a good choice outside of Hera

[twilit timber]

oh no I had hera attack, apollo was sprint and revenge daze

[low bear]

Also Thesaly arenas are so damn small and the olympus enemies were not made for rooms that small

[bleak night]

Apollo Sprint is top tier

[twilit timber]

I wasn't even spinning much until the end lol, most of my magic was primed from the boon rarity vow because I accidentally forgot to turn it off

and I kept getting epic after epic boons

[trail musk]

I'll try the Attack 1,2 into special combo that you mentioned in the guide, I didn't even think about that

[low bear]

the spinny winny blade robot can and will one shot you even on strength

[bleak night]

People are reading the guide!?

[grizzled timber]

Nooo i had the perfect charon 50f setup on surface, infinite athena dd, zeus spesh, arctic ring, artemis omega dmg on dash, heracles + icarus, but died on boat to missing a lucid gain proc and getting swarmed

[twilit timber]

I tried that, doesn't feel that good tbh, feels very awkward at the end. I found 1 -> 2 -> demeter cast -> 3 (also from the guide) to feel a lot better

[grizzled timber]

Tried the run after reading it and got all that so guide luck

[bleak night]

You survived priming 100 of your MP on Charon?

[grizzled timber]

Hecuba

[bleak night]

Ah tru

[bleak night]

[low bear]

I guess that's why missing the Lucid proc just killed you

[grizzled timber]

Had 60 magick so was fine for 2 specials but got greedy with icarus explosions for 10 extra and could only do 1

[bleak night]

I will not play for another day or two so I can rest my brain

[trail musk]

Yeah bc I'd figure someone who has way more hours than me in the game would know about making a weapon fun 💀

[bleak night]

Ah whoops

[bleak night]

[low bear]

running out of MP with Lucid on Charon does feel extra bad

[twilit timber]

bruh I used to find hades 1 incredibly frustrating before I read lee ream snyder's almost-bible-like guide on the game

[grizzled timber]

Question, if u intend to get athena dd is strength still worth it or do u allocate the 4 grasp somewhere else?

[low bear]

the extra cast time lasts forever

[twilit timber]

it became so much more fun I am here playing h2 in EA

[bleak night]

Lee

[low bear]

yes it's still worth it

[trail musk]

See in Hades 1 I'd just fish for Hunting Blades or Merciful End builds lol

[twilit timber]

I have genuinely no idea who he is but I am eternally thankful to him for letting me enjoy one of my favourite video game settings adn stories of all time

[trail musk]

Aspect of Gilgamesh Merciful End actually trivialized the game

[low bear]

Rail + Zeus was a free win in Hades 1 and you needed 1 boon (and maybe hammer for delta chamber)

I think that is by far the easiest and best build for 0-32 heat

[twilit timber]

The first time I followed his guide and achieved merciful end on zeus shield, still one of the best feelings I have ever had in gaming evr

[grizzled timber]

Chaos shield + dio/ares was my go to before it got "nerfed"

[low bear]

ah I never got to try the Chaos Shield pre-nerf, I came into H1 pretty late (2022 I think)

[twilit timber]

my favourite when I was till playing it became the meme 100% dodge chance lambent plume and fists build lol

[civic ocean]

How do you get hecuba anyways

Ive talked to that dog like 3 times now

[low bear]

get Raki level him up and you'll get Hecate dialogue

[civic ocean]

Oh I did that but no dialogue

Do I have to be using Raki maybe

[twilit timber]

how do you get raki?

[low bear]

is Raki max? maybe you need to use him once on Hecate idk but the dialogue should come up

[low bear]

just feed him in Erebus fountain room

the dialogue happens in the Crossroads btw, not the boss fight

[twilit timber]

also I levelled up Pan today and had some fun and realised, Pan knives is basically Chiron bow the second lol

[low bear]

so you have to talk to Hecate

[civic ocean]

I got some sort of incantation for upgrading the animals more but it didnt do anything for frinos and toula

[low bear]

pretty much the same concept

[twilit timber]

ohh haven't had a lot of UW runs, all my testaments have been on the surface

[proper cedar]

best build for momus 16 fear?

[grizzled timber]

True lol, never made the association, chiron but riskier?

[twilit timber]

not if you get arctic ring

[low bear]

best is always goonna be Mirrored/Wicked/Rapid Hammer normal attack spam and you can weave in omegas here and there. Hera attack, ignore special, any cast of your choice but Arctic is the best

[spare kite]

They swapped being able to upgrade them by default to an incantation, which is what you got

[civic ocean]

Oh neat

[twilit timber]

arctic ring, spiral knives, poseidon special + slip boon is basically all you need to win

[low bear]

you don't reallyn eed slip either

[civic ocean]

Poor slip

[low bear]

but yeah Pan has a high ceiling but needs a lot of setup and the right hammers

[grizzled timber]

I always feel like pan is just charon but needs more stuff
Charon just needs lucid gain and gg

[low bear]

slip is just kind bad no? lol

[twilit timber]

yeah if you can get a second curse any other way it works too

[twilit timber]

it was just for the second curse for origination

[low bear]

ah true I barely run origination nowadays I just prefer Artificer

[civic ocean]

I mean slip is bad relatively yeah mostly just because global damage mods are like everywhere

And additive

[twilit timber]

the aphro boon that inflicts weak on everything would be better but I don't see what else aphro could give in that build to try specifically for her

[low bear]

Shameless Attitude is always good

[grizzled timber]

Slip feels kinda bland compared to razor shoals but ig its more reliable/consistent

[twilit timber]

slip also has the benefit of you not needing anything extra to trigger origination

[low bear]

Steam is also extremely underwhelming

[twilit timber]

basically slip, arctic ring, poseidon flourish by themselves are enough to trigger it

with anything else like daze or scorch or whatever, you would need to use attack/sprint/get hit etc. to trigger it

slip just stacks from the special you are spamming

[trail musk]

Should I switch off of Hera's Fan going into Oceanus?

With Axe

[low bear]

yes, you use the god keepsake once and use something else

[twilit timber]

the guide also mentions keepsake rotation if you wanna take a look

[civic ocean]

Its 5% global at base right

[twilit timber]

if you don't have arctic ring take demeter's keepsake and hunt for it

[low bear]

I just wish slip did something interesting

[twilit timber]

it doesn't even have cool animatino sadly, at least steam has a cool visual

[bleak night]

Let Slip make Waves have a 15% chance to crit

[round quartz]

I've done multiple 32 fears rather easily
If I were to attempt 50's should I just go straight for it or go for something in the 40's first?

[civic ocean]

Depends how you did the 32s

[bleak night]

Up to you, honestly. Trial by fire, but you might hate the first few times you do it because it's a massive jump

[grizzled timber]

Go straight for 50, getting stomped is part of it

[trail musk]

I took Demeter's keepsake lool

[low bear]

I just now remembered how good splash dash was (only overshadowed by divine dash)

[civic ocean]

Like if you did 32 with a 9 or 7 minute timer id say do 5 minute a fee times then jump to 50

Or just jump right to 55 surface

[low bear]

they should jus bring splash dash back, poseidon's current one is so bad lol

[bleak night]

I miss Tidal Dash, good thing I can still go back to Hades 1 for it

[twilit timber]

Bruh I used to be a divine dash cultist until I tried out splash dash + zeus on rail

almost never took divine dash again

[round quartz]

Max speed, damage, health, and hordes; so I'm used to mistakes being punishing
The only thing that concerns me is the timer for erebus
I'm not used to 5 minutes

[civic ocean]

Yeah so do 32s at 5 minutes for a while then do some 50s

[low bear]

I think 45 is also a decent pick before jumping to 50

[round quartz]

True actually!

[bleak night]

if it's any consolation, most of your deaths will be in Erebus because the timer is cancer no matter what

[round quartz]

Awesome

[bleak night]

so at least you know the run is screwed early on rather than later

[grizzled timber]

The vow i hate the most is revenant, such a waste of time and forces u in dangerous spots

[civic ocean]

55 surface is so funny because unless I have the mechanics wrong its definitely possible but completely luck based

[bleak night]

worst vow in the game for me is onion

[low bear]

I'm still hopiuming they give us 10 min timer per 2 biomes, it would make everything a lot less painful

[bleak night]

What's the general idea to going for that ?

[grizzled timber]

Onion should heal 1hp even thru vow of scars just as a consolation prize

[low bear]

Yeah I do hate Onion especially back when artificer was 5 grasp

[bleak night]

it was 6

[low bear]

artficier alleviated my onion hate somewhat, but I still hate it

[low bear]

holy moly lmao

[bleak night]

changing it to 3 from 6 was honestly a great idea

[civic ocean]

Unless I misunderstand Fig Leaf, you could use it to get through Ephyra in 5 minutes and then use the 5 in Thessaly to get to Circe and turn off the clock

Then in theory one could avoid damage with infinite time

[round quartz]

That's crazy what?
Did it give more uses or was it still 3 at max?

[bleak night]

if it was 6, better make it have 6 charges too idk

[bleak night]

ye that's fair. I won my 50F Than run by deleting timer lol

[grizzled timber]

I feel like im forced to take artificer on surface even tho it does nothing on ephyra, otherwise i get onion'd in rift and never get a 2nd boon

[low bear]

no, it was just 6* grasp and the exact same effect

[round quartz]

Awesome

[low bear]

bring back underworld customs and throw onion in the trash

[bleak night]

my 50F Charon run had Artificer, which Circe upgraded. I forgot to use all 4 charges

[grizzled timber]

I saw that vid why am i not skilled enough to do that

[civic ocean]

I dont find room for artificer often tbh are people cutting rerolls

[low bear]

I'm cutting orig

[bleak night]

just keep attempting until she deletes it ig lol

[grizzled timber]

Either batman or orig ig?

[low bear]

or lovers if I'm feeling aggro

[bleak night]

I just remove Lovers now and take Boat + Orig

[low bear]

even with no timer, the surface at 50 fear will still mess me tf up

[grizzled timber]

How many layers of rng is that
Get circe
Get offered to delete a vow
Vow chosen is timer

[civic ocean]

How much HP is lovers on average someone could ballpark that

[bleak night]

all skill, no luck

[grizzled timber]

0 if u dont get hit

[bleak night]

it depends. On the Eris fight I lost all my charges because I accidentally keep running into the raging fire lol

[round quartz]

A lot if you did a funny and let yourself be hit by Chronos nuke with a barrier still on

[civic ocean]

Is that worth 3 major finds and Divinity not being on easily

[grizzled timber]

How much of a difference is sorc on charon?

[low bear]

yeah heavily boss dependent, maybe like 20-30 hp for Hecate, ~40-60 on Scylla, 100+ on Cerb, and maybe 80+ on Chronos (assuming you don't lose it to something stupid) assuming max pain

I just pulled those numbers out of my ass though based on gut lol

[bleak night]

0

[civic ocean]

Wdym

[spare kite]

Doesn't work

[low bear]

sorc doesn't work on charon it's bugged

[unkempt stratus]

Hello! Going for a Momus surface build, wondering if i should go Wicked Thrasher (+30 Power to attacks) or Mirrored Thrasher (Attacks hit 2x). Using Hera so I already have Born Gain and prolly going for Sworn Strike

[civic ocean]

How does sorc not work

[low bear]

get hestia gain mirrored is better, without hestia wicked is probably better

[grizzled timber]

Oh why am i only learning that now 😭

[civic ocean]

Like you dont do the special faster

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1304541023174922323/image.png?ex=672fc401&is=672e7281&hm=d7ec72c32877b220ac8a6a1d454ed7e6f81af00d818d9e37f919dfb0e703731a&

[spare kite]

Channeling speed buffs outside of droplet and sudden cleaver don't work

[grizzled timber]

Does furies work on charon? How does the order work

[unkempt stratus]

and mirrored? shes available rn in ephyra

[bleak night]

I learned this from Croven

[civic ocean]

So the special speeds up on Mel axe but not Charon

[low bear]

if you have mirrored, definitely go for hestia's gain

[bleak night]

does it actually ?

[unkempt stratus]

i have born gain alaready

[round quartz]

Specifically Charon aspect?

[civic ocean]

Thats what im wondering like

[low bear]

oh no

[civic ocean]

Is this charon specific

[bleak night]

it 100% doesn't work on the aspect that wants to use it the most, I never tried it on Mel Axe

[low bear]

reset I guess? or just get Wicked, it's almost as good tbh

[round quartz]

Tragic

[bleak night]

is that some way to like keep it balanced or what

[grizzled timber]

Sorc would be basically better than a hammer for 1 grasp

[civic ocean]

That would explain why I was so confused that my like 4 things to increase omega speed didnt seem to help charon much

I mean sorc IS insane

[low bear]

do the other omega speed buffs not work or is it just Sorc?

[civic ocean]

According to what mynt posted its just droplet and cleaver

[low bear]

sudden driver does still work of course

[civic ocean]

But thats only axe

[low bear]

ah damn

[civic ocean]

If I had to guess it might be leftover from when axe special blocked?

[bleak night]

probs only on Charon or something ?

[bleak night]

apparently it's been a thing since forever

[spare kite]

Yeah this is a patch 1 thing afaik

[bleak night]

I remember Nimble Mind not working on it as well the moment they dropped that boon in Patch 3

[low bear]

Perserved Hope is also still a thing and Arrogace Pom bug went on for a long time

[civic ocean]

At least you can shmove pretty good with the special anyways

[spare kite]

We had to wait for old sorc to work with axe O.special too

[civic ocean]

Do people take that keepsake much it seems real good

[low bear]

Silver Wheel? I don't

[spare kite]

I never fully liked time slow outside of phase shift

[grizzled timber]

I took it for tart before i lvld up fig leaf

[low bear]

I miss the old wheel, even though I love time slow there are just too many better keepsakes

[bleak night]

I've never used the Silver Wheel since it got changed

[low bear]

it's not worth an entire keepsake slot

[round quartz]

I never do, there's always another keepsake that is better for the situation no matter the region

[civic ocean]

A bunch of stuff I noticed kind of shadow nerfed some stuff like no panic huntress

[spare kite]

Panic deserved it

[grizzled timber]

What if they combined silver wheel + blackened fleece

[low bear]

what is fleece again

[bleak night]

+40% omega damage

[spare kite]

+40% omega dmg after taking 250 dmg

[grizzled timber]

Omega dmg after taking 250dmg

[round quartz]

Blackened fleece is already insane, I think it would be too strong with it

[civic ocean]

Thats probably good with persephone

[spare kite]

I haven't taken fleece in forever

[civic ocean]

How does persephone work with death do you have the crit chance all through the move or what

[low bear]

if they made silver wheel also slow down the timer then we'd be talking

[grizzled timber]

But its a late game keepsake and its competing with fig and pin

[round quartz]

Though I prefer omega builds personally over regular attacks/special

[low bear]

only the first hit of the special actually crits, so it's not that good

[civic ocean]

Man that arcana kinda booty huh

[low bear]

well the cast can crit which can be chonky, but I'd rather take the +100 power cast

[spare kite]

I only take it with selene

[civic ocean]

Am I understanding Selene correctly that I have to wait for skyfall to end before I can charge it up again

[low bear]

Yes

[spare kite]

That's how it works with all hexes no

[round quartz]

Yeah fig existing does make a lot of other late game keepsakes irrelevant
I think it's fun but it's just... probably deserving of a change

[civic ocean]

It lasts forever

[low bear]

Isn't it the same with all hexes

[civic ocean]

You do wanna spam omegas tho even with the regen

[low bear]

Also is Dark Side still poopy? I've clicked it once ever and then never again

[spare kite]

Skyfall is zeus's call weird cousin

[civic ocean]

What boons do ppl go on selene

[low bear]

Yeah skyfall is like weaker zeus call

[low bear]

Hera (as usual) but bloodline from her goes hard allowing you to expend a ton of mana quickly

[spare kite]

I've only seen cast uses your cast boons upgrade + geyser spout

[low bear]

Dark side is a cool concept but why does my devil trigger do less damage than me at base

[civic ocean]

Why hera cant you just go like any decent attack boon I did Zeus on it and it seemed okay

Do the beams get the % increase from everything, just the attack boon, or nothing

[round quartz]

I'm about to do a run
What weapon and aspect do I use?

[low bear]

Hitch is just very good, even on special hitch is good and again the blood line and born gain are also good

[bleak night]

use my guide

play Axe and make it your first 50F win

[low bear]

Do a cheeky Moros

[round quartz]

I'm not starting off with a 50 rn, I'm doing some 32's with 5 minute timer to get used to it first

[bleak night]

do it with Charon

[low bear]

I belive the beams do just grt your attack boon, effect? % and all

[round quartz]

I have only used max timer once and died to it lmao

[bleak night]

Charon for sure then

[round quartz]

Ok

[low bear]

Than is probably my favorite aspect now

[bleak night]

you know the general mechanics on Charon ?

[round quartz]

Yeah

[civic ocean]

Put a cast down and blow it up?

[bleak night]

I mean the dashing while Omega Special thing

[round quartz]

Yeah I know of that

[low bear]

The dashing away while omega spesh and still getting lucid gain was huge and I got my Charon 50F 1st or 2nd try after watching Mynt's run lol

[bleak night]

I'm surprised you didn't know that

[civic ocean]

Wdym you still get lucid gain

Like are you still in the cast when it explodes or what

[low bear]

I think my 45F Charon was before the Lucid change and I didn't touch Charon much afterwards

[bleak night]

Wasn't that with god tier Born Gain tho

[bleak night]

Yeah if you dash sideways

[low bear]

Yeah so I dropped cast ran away and did a special

[civic ocean]

Everyone is sleeping on the best charon gain

[bleak night]

Ah, lol fair

[bleak night]

Please dont say Fixed Gain

[civic ocean]

Tranquil baybee

[bleak night]

Ah, eh. It's 4th best imo

[grizzled timber]

Wdym u guys dont dash around while charging with charon and still get hit by 50 projectiles?

[low bear]

That was also with the OP Dem/Apollo duo that gave you like infinite scaling casts lol

Torrential Downpour I think it was

[civic ocean]

Yeah that was beast

I still like going for glorious disaster tho

[round quartz]

I just rolled a poseidon from artificer
What should I grab?

[grizzled timber]

I wish prominence flare worked with charon

[round quartz]

(using Charon rn)

[civic ocean]

Doesnt it

[grizzled timber]

Abandon run

[round quartz]

Real

[spare kite]

What are your choices

[low bear]

It's just bad because you can't cast right away while it's exploding

[grizzled timber]

Cant plop down another cast while prominence is up so its a massive dmg loss

[civic ocean]

What

[round quartz]

Maybe a flood control, I don't want the attack or cast

[civic ocean]

Its dealing damage tho

[low bear]

Yeah but you could be exploding another cast instead

[grizzled timber]

Charon cast deals much much more dmg than prominence

[spare kite]

Go sea star if available ig, or just take the least annoying option, hydro might is there too

[low bear]

So it's just a damage loss

[bleak night]

Go full meme and get Wave Flourish

[civic ocean]

Presuming that you are always in a position to continue cast blasting yeah

[grizzled timber]

Hmm whats the best cast just dmg wise for charon?

[civic ocean]

You do need it for GD though which I assume still whips ass

[low bear]

Prominence goes on for a long time

[bleak night]

Scorch probs does a lot of work

[low bear]

I tried it once my dps just tanked lol

What is glorious disaster again

[civic ocean]

Bolts + flare

[grizzled timber]

When u buy a random boon right before prometheus/chronos, its apollo, only choice is prominence > abandon run

[carmine lagoon]

would it theoretically be possible to get 5-digit damage
heres the theory I have to do it:
xinth o-attack with world collider has 300 base, so now need +1112% (for 3334 damage that then crits... somehow)
maybe some combination of insane level Sworn Strike, Chaos Strike, Chasm and Witch's Mark from wells?

[low bear]

does that actually work with Charon?

[civic ocean]

It always has

You get the benefit but dont have to pay the cost like downpour

[grizzled timber]

Flare disables the secret charon tech which is getting the double special hammer/apollo legendary and getting 2 cast bursts on every special (3 if u have both)

[civic ocean]

That feels like a bug that you can blast open the cast teice

[low bear]

wit what is flare lol

[civic ocean]

Prom flare

[grizzled timber]

Prominence lol

[low bear]

You drop another cast instead I assume

since the specials pop off in succession instead of at the same time

[grizzled timber]

The 2nd special comes after a delay and ur not animation locked so u can drop a cast inbetween, shouldnt be a bug

[civic ocean]

Oh word

[low bear]

Flare is just a brick boon, maybe decent on Persephone? I don't know if it even counts as cast damage lol

or Momus ig?

[grizzled timber]

Dem gale doesnt count iirc so flare shouldnt as well (?)

[spare kite]

Momus is famously allergic to adopting any cast boon effect

[civic ocean]

I mean it was originally just his cast boon and it was good on charon because you wanted it for TD and GD and then you could orbitally nuke bosses from range

[low bear]

I'm pretty sure it was still bad on Charon before, Arctic was infnitely better

[spare kite]

The issue with flare is that yeah it def can increase your boss dps
But makes rooms way more annoying

[civic ocean]

I remember winstreaking 32 with it fairly easily with that build

So idk about “bad”

[spare kite]

I'm gonna that's because you are good lol

[low bear]

32 also has a lot of slack

[grizzled timber]

How much total dmg is flare?

[spare kite]

And gonna be real, is 32f

[grizzled timber]

Cuz im p sure the time flare wastes could be like 1~1,5 extra casts

[civic ocean]

Back then it was like 60 and it scaled and was a requirement for “every omega cast you burst deals 20% more dmg to infinity” and glorious disaster

Its prob not good now tho

[grizzled timber]

Ah i never actually got that duo

[civic ocean]

But back then Lucid was also quite bad on charon too so its changed a lot

Now you probably just want flourish and gain into ET like you said

[low bear]

Once you got TD, GD is just overkill so Arctic is just better plus you get freeze

[civic ocean]

You only had the sprint gain and cast to choose from so if you had already acquired a sprint thats that you were doing since lucid gain was cast based regen

Arctic was also kind of meh sometimes because you blew up the cast and couldnt refreeze

And you could also get the freeze on the special

[grizzled timber]

POV ur playing charon https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/930173412012343376/1304551461270851664/image.png?ex=672fcdb9&is=672e7c39&hm=c685d3eac210409d18a7dd5d1e4c0ca2a98f370ab2b4de7cdefab9c0293a190a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=982&height=676

[vague jackal]

lol

[round quartz]

omg I have Mint Condition, Trusty Shield, or Seismic Hammer
And I have Denial on
What do I chose? (Running a Persephone Geyser Spout build)

[grizzled timber]

got to eris on 50f but got blasted

[low bear]

What fear? If you have full scars on (no healing) then trusty is extremely valuable

[round quartz]

32

[low bear]

probably trusty then

actually seismic could also be good on Perse

[round quartz]

That's what I ended up going

And then Chronos hit me with the nuke attack because I skill issued lmao

[magic moss]

sheet has been updated

we're already at 282 total clears 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 we hit 450 3 months into patch 4 for context

[cursive oyster]

that’s because 50f is actually fun now

unless you get fanged

[low bear]

holy balls Moros is busted

first 50F Strength run of the day and Moros dogwalked it lol, I had some godly RNG though

[round quartz]

Yeah, but I like using Eos more
I like the orb

[low bear]

Eos is... not for me LOL

[round quartz]

Apparently I just like bad aspects because Circe staff is my favorite staff lmao

[low bear]

you want some help with updating the sheet?

[low bear]

yeah 50F is a lot more fun now that my run isn't predicated on how early I get Trusty LOL, among other rng requirements

[magic moss]

do u want to help?

[stuck ether]

generally yeah but unlike patch 4 50f, you can just get like an impossible room with fangs

[low bear]

yeah I'm down to help

[low bear]

True though it's not that often that I get this I feel

it's just the moments where you do get it, they definitely stick out in your memory

[stuck ether]

it isnt often it just feels really unfun bc you cant do anything abt it

[low bear]

most impossible feeling combos will be fixed by just getting rid of invincibility

such a bs power up lol

[stuck ether]

invincibility is acc so annoying. worst fangs modifier

[low bear]

or at the very least let them be cursed/rooted by your cast

just make all damage 0 or something

it's also annoying how you have to pick up revenants before they lose their barrier too

[stuck ether]

whats wrong with invincible wailer that stuns you whenever it hits you?

the stunning on hit is also kind of... it shouldnyt be on certain things

[low bear]

Banshee stunner is definitely something

Root Stalker Stunner is also wow

[silent crow]

the punchy wailer guy with stun is horrible

[stuck ether]

couldve jsut said "the punchy wailer guy is horrible"
feels horrible when they get armor

[low bear]

oh yeah Boxer Ghost, when I hear those punching sounds I run the f away

[silent crow]

im ok with them normally

[stuck ether]

im fine with unarmored ones

[low bear]

I love summoning the punchy wailers against Cerberus and having them out dps me lmao

[grizzled timber]

guys i need tips for prometheus with charon https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/930173412012343376/1304611153363603486/image.png?ex=67300551&is=672eb3d1&hm=002d32604c04f7c563e1754e18c62d991281350a9c767dda0656ded2a6c90b5d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1202&height=676

ive never been so stressed/scared playing hades before

[round quartz]

Me when they take out Cerberus from 50% to 0 in 5 seconds

[grizzled timber]

update i died

[frigid lance]

wait is that a fig leaf charge at the end of olympus 💀 .

i've been doing charon runs on surface 50 as well but cannot beat prometheus the timer is just too brutal

[stuck ether]

My friend had fig not proc a single time on olympus

[ocean ibex]

found a damage type without a real name, IcarusExplosion
https://gyazo.com/e5f150e7a0caff2f24afbbaff91fa109

[stuck ether]

Did they fix steam damaging you and being labeled as like
Playerunit_

[grizzled timber]

Indeed it is

[grizzled timber]

My timer was fine but ig i never actually learned his moveset, just facetanked
Didnt work this time

[proper cedar]

what build were you cooking (pls tell)

does hera transfer curses?

[daring burrow]

Holy 16 fear is so much harder than 8 fear

Went from easy mode to getting my butt kicked

Died in mourning fields for the first time ever like 50+ runs in lol

[grizzled timber]

Nothing fancy, strength + athena dd, hera spesh, dem cast, apollo gain, double special hammer and maxed out lunar ray (turns out it sucks)

[bleak night]

What Fear vows are you taking ?

[daring burrow]

Probably made some terrible choices ngl. Made them hella tanky haha

3x grit, 2x wards, 1 frenzy, 1 horde, 3 menace, 1 time, 1 forfeit

[magic moss]

holy that is a 32F loadout what

[bleak night]

Yeah ngl that's kinda really hard

[amber dagger]

Prob why they said it was hard lol

[bleak night]

16 shouldn't be that hard yeah lol

[amber dagger]

What fears are the easiest

[magic moss]

time > hubris > debt > menace imo

[daring burrow]

They just had so much damn armor. Trying to cut the armor + the 2 hearts on extra mobs was damn hard haha. Those little birds that swarm in oceanus were brutalizing me. And then the screamers and punchy guys and werewolves and medusas finished me off in the fields haha

[amber dagger]

Ward is weird

[bleak gale]

Is there any aspect/boon that gets significantly better/worse depending on if you play them on Underworld or Surface?

[bleak night]

early Bridal Glow

You can sell it in the Underworld, but not in the Surface

[bleak gale]

That makes sense

Weapons still stay the same?

[lethal pawn]

Definitely I feel that LOL, big number go boom boom! An offensive boon that I'd consider getting from him, or one to take into account is the one where he makes ur attacks + specials deal more dmg to armor, which at first I never really cared for. But for the surface in the last zone, if I don't have ridiculous dmg I feel like having armor shred via hammers or heph boon as a possibility goes insanely well. Especially against that dragon boss which I tend to lose health against frequently lol.

[round quartz]

Is it just me or does Hecuba never dig mana in Chronos phase 2?

[past salmon]

Hecuba only digs once per encounter
P2 counts as the same encounter as P1

[round quartz]

Ah

[polar prawn]

does Close Call apply to ALL DDs?

[bleak night]

which is Close Call

[polar prawn]

+1 use of Death Defiance that makes everything else move 90% slower

I guess it'd also be worth asking if it applies to Chronos too, assuming you have the slowdown incantation done too

[lethal pawn]

iirc it's only the one DD that you gain that slows down time, and yeah it applies to Chronos

[safe notch]

https://i.imgur.com/r1BYzNZ.jpeg

finally settled on a fun arcana arrangement i think. ended up preferring swift runner + the champion to the boatman because i needed just a couple fate die

exposure to rng is fine and all but. you need a LITTLE insurance to get a couple good boons. just a little

[low bear]

Is anyone else experiencing much more variance in field chambers?

I've been getting a lot of forced 2-2-echo-miniboss boss sequences recently

[orchid fog]

I wonder what a good 32 fear build would be and what weapon should try it

I do kinda want the statue and it's listed as an objective every time you look at the fear board

[low bear]

easiest is probably Charon or Moros

Charon is very safe and strong and has good AoE, Moros is safe by virtue of the fact that you do a bajillion damage

[safe notch]

what attack boon do you think benefits aspect of momus omega attack the most?

besides hera lol

i'm thinking either poseidon or zeus, maybe apollo

[low bear]

Hera

Pos or Hestia could be fun for a Mirrored Build

does Apollo actually do a lot for staff's range?

[safe notch]

apollo has a fair effect on the width of the omega attack which is pretty helpful

[latent marsh]

wait does charon axe also gets increase cleave size or is it only cast size?

coz i wanna do apollo charon if it's both

[storm horizon]

apollo slam is big enough atm for you to enjyo no worries

[pseudo sequoia]

apollo is probably the best to go for with everything on charon tbh

nova flourish, super nova, lucid gain, exceptional talent, it's all pretty much foolproof

[low bear]

I'd prefer Hera or Zeus for special probs, Lucid Gain really is the most essential from Apollo though

[balmy sail]

hey fellas, i started the EA a few days ago and basically have been stuck on scylla and the sirens....there's just so many damn aoe attacks going on at the same time, do you guys have any tips/builds that could help?

i don't have everything unlocked yet, i have around 3-4 hours into the game so far

[civic ocean]

Staff any: -sworn strike + hearth gain + mirrored thrasher + incandescent aura

Blades pan: flame flourish + ice strike + smolder ring + Freezer Burn + Born gain

Torch Moros: sworn strike heavenly flourish hearth gain

Axe Charon: lucid gain + arctic ring + heavenly flourish + sudden cleaver

Skull Mel: Flutter Strike + Tidal Ring + Glamour Gain + Island Getaway (this one kind a meh idk skulls that well)

Coat Selene: Selene start + flat damage and global damage increases (blitz attack+ wave special for instance)

[safe scaffold]

I wonder if the Black Coat tech where you just hold down the attack button and just dash is intentional

Because holy it makes Eris a cakewalk

[low bear]

If you use the axe + hera on attack that can really melt the Sirens. Hera in general is good for them because hitch does a lot of damage when there are multiple enemies in one place.

Or play it safe with an offensive cast like Zeus or other ranged options. Since you don't have a timer yet take it slow and get a proper read on all of the attacks. If you get overwhelmed go to the large part of the arena so you have space to run and dodge arounf

[balmy sail]

ah i see! i haven't been able to unlock the axe yet (working on that rn) and i haven't met hera yet either! i think i might just be a lil bit too early in the game when it comes to being able to use more builds

but thank you very much!! i'll take it easy next time just to get a feel for the attacks, like you said

[spare kite]

@arctic plover cherished allows 4* keepsakes to be obtained, same for heph's legendary and rank 6 weapons

[arctic plover]

still hpw much can you really do with it

half of the keepsakes are not gonna be useful with that at all

[magic moss]

a considerable amount actually, heirloom buffs quite a few keepsakes pretty significantly

[arctic plover]

you still have to actually win the rng with it them equipped

idk i just dont feel like its that good

[spare kite]

It affects current keepsake equipped and any you swap into (that the duo works with)

[arctic plover]

i mean i just wrote what i thought

i see the uses but i do mostly use the keepsakes for the boons because rng hates me so maybe thats it

[low bear]

I wish cherish buffed Fig's proc rate instead of proc times

[bleak night]

Both would be nice

[amber dagger]

what are some easy fears?

vows

[bleak night]

How much Fear are you tryna do

[amber dagger]

8 for now

[arctic plover]

man im glad i didnt take game dev as my specilisation at uni balancing is hard

[bleak night]

Menace and the gold cost ones are easy

Also Forsaking and the Magick priming ones.

Should be 8 already I think

[amber dagger]

time i took that to

[bleak night]

Don't need to, but 9/region is easy ye

[amber dagger]

grit, hordes 3, time 2, hubris

[bleak night]

Hordes 3 is NOT easy lol

[amber dagger]

oop

[bleak night]

I forgot the new name sof the vows lemme check

[amber dagger]

im doing uw

[grizzled timber]

ok what athena boon is best for charon 50f, dd, dash or cast?

all the best options offered at once

[bleak night]

Do Menace 2, Timer 2, Hubris 2, Denial and Debt 2. Make it 16F at this point, these are the easiest choices

[bleak night]

I went Cast, but either is good

Cast has an internal 2.5 sec cooldown, so it's not perma invuln

It does add 120 damage when you press the button, so that's nice

[grizzled timber]

oh what? i was convinced athena cast + charon was cheats but ig not then

[bleak night]

I have a vid up using it if you wanna see

[grizzled timber]

guess ill just take the dd cuz hecuba allows me to

[bleak night]

Fair enough lol

[grizzled timber]

hmm what the opinion on narc vs shop, only have money for 1 boon?

[amber dagger]

narc

[magic moss]

narc, use money on endshop

[grizzled timber]

makes sense

[arctic plover]

narc bc hes funny

[bleak night]

Narc still no art

[arctic plover]

man i know eris wont shut up bc thats her thing but damn i wish she would sometimes

[spare kite]

Make her shut up

[arctic plover]

had terrible dmg unfortunately

anyone know a good build for the flames?

[civic ocean]

Narc is johnny bravo in my head

[arctic plover]

my fav character in the game honestly

[last cape]

Moros first hammer, do I take sustained spark, clean candle, or leaden spark? To give the run some context it's surface 32 fear with hecuba as the familiar and heaven's flourish

[leaden owl]

never take leaden, depends on your current setup but clean candle is a personal favourite

[last cape]

I'm planning to probably take sworn strike next so leaden would get multiplied by that additive number

Oh is leaden spark bad?

[leaden owl]

if it still has knockback then yes

[last cape]

I was thinking of taking sustained since hecuba reduces the need for magic discounts and I could take born gain later, but the channel speed on clean candle is also really good

[leaden owl]

eh it's up to you

both are good

[ocean ibex]

can nightspawn ever hit the same enemy as your base attack/special?

[low bear]

Does nimble limbs help Moros at all?

[cursive oyster]

yes but mind is better

[low bear]

I see I see, feels like Sorc, Titan, Arti is the way to go for Moros 53 Fear right?

The channel speed makes a huge huge difference, probably way more dps increase than Strength lol

[past salmon]

Strength is safety tho

Idk I think it's fine but like Arti gambling on 53F is goofy imo

[bleak gale]

Idk why but I prefer Athena Cast over Athena Dash given the choice

Really feels like an emergency block button

[cursive oyster]

based

[paper drum]

i could never part with my divine dash no matter what

[hollow briar]

Don’t believe so, no. Sometimes it looks like it does with Skelly, but I’m pretty sure they’re intended not to double back

[rustic egret]

Honestly, so true

[wheat lava]

Best staff build? I have no idea how to deal damage with this weapon

[lusty heron]

Momus was mega spam is nice

[arctic plover]

you can try spesh spam with apollo legendary

anyone know a good build for flames or skull?

[random steeple]

Halo, any build for the black coat?

[safe notch]

am i boring for hoping we just get a straight up sword weapon at some point

i wanna see melinoe fight with a longsword

[random steeple]

Will it fit wht the pace of the game?

[amber dagger]

A magic sword

[surreal hazel]

That's the neat part, you don't (Until you get the right hammer upgrades)

[low bear]

True though I'm trying with running Athena keepsake so I have Divine Dash in Erebus which is a lot of safety already

if I can get Heph or Dem early things usually die before they can manage to hit me with Sorc on

I've gotten decently good at not getting hit in Erebus thanks to Vow of Suffering before LOL

[frozen hatch]

I'm begninning to climb into higher Testament runs. 16+ Are there some generally accepted Vow configurations I should try out? 16, 24, 32? Are there any that should generally be avoided as not worth it/too hard?

[magic moss]

get used to playing with timer2/3 and frenzy2, avoid void and forfeit, fangs2 can be fine but get annoying very quickly in higher fears

[bleak night]

what weap are you tryna do em on?

[frozen hatch]

All of them.

[bleak night]

if you need any Axe coaching or w/e, feel free to ping me !

[frozen hatch]

That's kind, thank you. But right now I'm just looking for some base guidelines, not anything as intensive as coaching. But I'll remember the offer.

[bleak night]

Oh, not really coaching, I do have an Axe guide up for better mechanics tho, but for fear stuff, you might need to get used to playing fast and playing against quicker enemies

also I think turning on the shop cost penalty earlier on is also something to try out, considering it teaches you to value your resources

[frozen hatch]

My first 9 points are pretty much always 2 ranks in Time and Frenzy.

[bleak night]

you're tryna do 16 right ?

[vague jackal]

you do frenzy 2 for 16?

😱

[magic moss]

if you plan on going to 32, frenzy2 is very good to get used to early

[bleak night]

honestly, I think Frenzy 2 earlier on is great if you mean to climb to 32+ eventually

[frozen hatch]

For some weapons, for others I'm already at 24.

[bleak night]

how's your Axe ?

I'm pretty much obsessed with the weapon, don't mind me.

[frozen hatch]

Oh yeah. The sooner you get used to the speed increase, the more free those 6 points become! 😄

[low bear]

Yeah I'd take Fenzy 2 and Timer 2 always if you wanna climb higher fears

[frozen hatch]

My Zorophet is currently at 16. At this point I'm still following the Grave Thirst around.

[bleak night]

Let's get you to 32

it's a jump, but I can guarantee you I can help you do it with no issue

[vague jackal]

I'm shocked lol, for 16, which is my 0 stress fear level, I just do time 3, perks 2, next area enemies 2, and wardens. Feels super vanilla

[low bear]

I tried playing Frenzy 0 recently and it feels like a completely different game LOL

[bleak night]

I tried Frenzy 0 and I kept getting hit

[vague jackal]

when going for 32, I started using frenzy 1, and chronos caught me with my pants down since the one shot kill is faster

[bleak night]

I'm used to things being fast that my brain slows down when I'm not being turbo swarmed

[magic moss]

me frfr

[bleak night]

like I tried to do a 32F Olympus no hit with 0 Frenzy and I kept losing the challenge in Ephyra

but the moment I put it in Frenzy 2 I just managed to get it done in a few tries

[low bear]

I did the Than chaos trial recently and I remember struggling with it when I just started, it was a cakewalk now lol

[vague jackal]

what you said reminds me of when I played lots of Devil May Cry 4

[low bear]

Turbo mode?

[vague jackal]

always played in turbo mode, if it were disabled, I woud do worse somehow

it feels wayyyy different

[low bear]

A lot of if probably is jusy the rhythm while playing

Like when a watch back my gameplay I notice things I do that I didn't even think about while playing lol

[bleak night]

dw

I don't have to rewatch my gameplay to know I'm a bonobo

Whenever I do something stupid I hover the Give Up button

I do it a lot in my runs, gotta get good at that frame 1 rage quit

[low bear]

Lol yeah I noticed this too watching your runs it's always funny every time

[bleak night]

would be funnier if I added voiceover

[frozen hatch]

Same! Even taking the boons that slow enemy projectile speed can sometimes lead to me getting hit MORE lol

[low bear]

Getting commentary on your gameplay would be next level

[stable herald]

Slower projectiles can be such a trap lol, yes please I want the projectiles to stay in my way even longer

[frozen hatch]

I'm sure! I've got to run for a bit, but if you have base line suggestions for Vows, Aracna, etc, I'd be happy to give them a try!!!

[bleak night]

I think my voice would kill the viewership

[bleak night]

I'm down to play a run if you wanna watch, just so you can see how I do it. I honestly change up my vows in 32F whenever I do it

tbh not that much, since I mostly stay at 50 unless I do meme runs at like 10F or something

[summer timber]

I like 0

[arctic plover]

real

[safe notch]

which is more damage generally, reaper frame or siege frame?

[timber pawn]

Kinda depends

[safe scaffold]

What's a good build for the Selene Aspect? Can't really figure out how to use it well.

[bleak night]

We have a writeup made if you want it

[safe scaffold]

Oh yeah you sent it to me lol

Completely forgot about it. Thanks!

[bleak night]

[low bear]

man 53 Fear Charon is kinda really frustrating with how much Erebus rng I need lol

[half sigil]

How much harder is 51+ than 50

[bleak night]

not much

it's just Judgment, so you will almost always be stronger vs Chronos with Judgment

the issue is the earlier areas where you're gaining Arcana

[half sigil]

Yea Erebus prob sucks without artificer or rolls

Do you have judgment at 55?

[bleak night]

nope

@low bear vc we're watching Machi play

[low bear]

I think 53 is decently harder than 50 because of the Erebus RNG, Erebus is always the hardest part of 50+ run imo lol. After Erebus though it becomes a snowball where you get progressively more powerful becuase of Judgement. It's pretty fun actually

[half sigil]

I see. I’ll try eventually, I want to get all aspects done at 50 first

[stable lichen]

the hestia poseidon duo is....... interesting

i was using the coat with it and because i was doing melee poseidon with the attack it just felt like i was in one of those cartoon fights in which both combatants disappear into a cloud of smoke

i couldnt see anything lmao

[trim shoal]

maybe a stupid question, but i have 2 DDs left after Oceanus and 2:44 on the clock, I normally take Droplet in Fields but am considering Pin to conserve DDs for Tart, what should I take? (50F Than axe with zeus)

[twilit timber]

Writeups? Other than the axe guide? Pls hook me up

For any weapon/aspect really

[wide saddle]

That’s happened to me a few times as well, it’s pretty satisfying. I distinctly remember the first time I did a zeus fist build in the first game and had zero idea why I melted the final boss, partly bc I didn’t really understand how the different boons worked and partly because I couldn’t see anything.

It’s very satisfying in this game as well, especially when you have a good cast combination that turns an area into a portal to hell (though I guess that analogy doesn’t really fit in this context…)

[amber dagger]

What’s most op aspect like makes game way to easy

[cursive oyster]

moros

although much less so

[vital torrent]

Tips for the Moros flames?

I never use specials when using that weapon and the fact that with that aspect the attacks crash into each other is super annoying

[cursive oyster]

take the sorceress arcana, keep an omega special up at all times and when you’re not needing to do that omega attack

first boon should be born gain to let you repeat that infinitely and from there channel speed is your holy grail

clean candle is the best hammer but sustained spark is also great

look for a % based attack and ideally zeus special but you don’t need it

if you wanna look more at how it’s played i recommend watching players like boated or foolish use it

[vital torrent]

I'll keep all that in mind, thanks!

[cursive oyster]

anytime i love talking

[twilit timber]

Anytime you did a Zeus heavy build in H1 the screen would just start bleeding yellow and everything would die with you having no idea why 😂

I do find that different in h2, you actually have to usually think about what you're doing even without fear whereas most of the time low heat h1 basically turned into a button mash by styx

[bleak night]

Not quite, sadly

[stable lichen]

it was genuinely physically impossible to see prometheus in steam which kinda sucked since you couldnt see him telegraphing lol

but i guess i had enough firepower to beat him before he beat me

[twilit timber]

Btw I did get my first axe clear with the guide earlier, good stuff, with 8 fear too

Ironically my first axe clear came with fear lol since I was chasing testaments

[bleak night]

what did Axe you use ?

[twilit timber]

Mel

Swapped Hera for Aphro because I was struggling against bosses more than regular room clears

And this was uw run, I found hitch more useful up top than in the underworld

[bleak night]

It makes sense, at least

Hitch becomes better as you increase the Fear levels, but Aphro is still a good choice throughout

[twilit timber]

Also I just find something immeasurably satisfying about whirling a hot pink wheel of death in the titan of time's face

[bleak night]

I like the Apollo whirlwinds more

[twilit timber]

I saw that clip of yours with the Apollo special build, I might try that soon since it seems dope and I just unlocked charon axe

Also cast->dash->o-special feels like a nice dumb simple loop to play with once the magick regen is sorted

I figure hitch does better on the surface because thessaly basically puts you in a really cramped environment with a ton of enemies so it's easy to tag a million of them at once

Compared to say in fields or tartarus where the rooms are really big and enemies are spread out

[bleak night]

Honestly, Hitch on Charon's Special isn't that needed

sure, it helps, but I think going Apollo is always simpler

[hollow briar]

(Torch write-up when haha lol lmao)

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1252732088378200146/1305428152323014686/image.png?ex=6732fe35&is=6731acb5&hm=4b1bb7bad959d5b496610013feb9195460b4d0e2d880c2db0257d89b9f660f76&

[frozen fjord]

Holy moly

[surreal hazel]

When Rarity is basically irrelevant

it's times like these I'd be interested to see what would happen with a well placed Sacrificial Hymn

[late lantern]

Heph still feels pretty bad to use. Especially on higher fear with the blue shield thing.

[orchid fog]

Heph is still pretty underpowered, but there are some aspects that are so cracked that you can run him anyways and get good results, like Moros Torches

[tame vapor]

Hey:) could anyone recommend me a good build for any weapon except the newest one

[orchid fog]

Well since I just mentioned it... Moros Torches. Zeus Special, any attack boon you want, and go have fun. Use your Omega Special and then just mash attack until the Omega Special is over, then do another one. It might get nerfed so have fun while you can.

I cleared 16 Fear with it on my first time trying it with no death defiance so

[tame vapor]

cool! thanks

[orchid fog]

np

[tame vapor]

are my ghosts suppose to stand in place?

[orchid fog]

yeah the way the aspect works is if they ever touch your Omega Special (or even your regular special I think) they blow up

so you have the Omega Special spinning around you, and then toss out your ghostie things while it circles you, and they will naturally collide creating explosions around you

I recommend Zeus as the Special and then you can mix it with any attack you want

it drains a LOT of magicka though since the Omega Special is 25 cost

so look out for a good regen boon

basically just hit the Omega Special, get close enough that the rotating orbs are hitting the enemy you want to kill, and circle it while holding attack

Special runs out? Do it again lol

[tame vapor]

okay ill try. thanks again

[orchid fog]

also the ghosts don't have to be collected if they don't hit anything and just float into the distance. they'll despawn on their own. you can just keep firing new ones with the attack button

[stable lichen]

strength or DDs for 32 fear? i like how strength essentially gives you more healing (as each hp lasts longer) but i feel like with DDs its more consistent since you cant instantly die after you get stunlocked by an offscreen machine gun droid on olympus

[feral ether]

is fine tuning better than grand caldera even if i have epic lvl 4 volcanic strike, furnace blast and chain reaction? (currently rank V blades with skulking onslaught)

[bleak gale]

I did both of my 32 runs with Strength, it's that good (also Athena keepsake.... Gotta put it on Ephyra and pray tho)

[stable lichen]

i did my underworld 32 with strength second try and i started doing strength for surface and failed 9 times and then i switched to DDs for my 10th and won

half of my surface deaths were due to random enemies stunlocking me offscreen so ig DDs help in that regard

ig it doesnt matter how many hits you can take if those hits stunlock you

[waxen garden]

Pan blades, Wave Flourish, Slippery Slope, Demeter/Hestia cast for Origination

[low bear]

huh didn't now that Normal DDs were consumed before Stalwart DD

that was a huge misplay on my 53 Mel Axe lol

[magic moss]

getting eternity active after stalwart puts notmal dds in prio, if you take stalwart after eternity is active stalwart takes prio

[low bear]

Hmm I just had a weird one where I got Stalwart first and then Eternity after Scylla, but I still had Stalwart as the priority

[low bear]

I realized the difference now with what happened to me:

1.) Getting Eternity while I still have my Stalwart DD prioritizes the 3DDs
2.) Getting Eternity while my Stalward DD is spent put Stalwart in priority (which is what you want)

So that's interesting if you have Stalwart you'll want it spent before killing the boss in case you get Eternity via Judgement

[hot cairn]

what are good builds for the black cloak

[carmine lagoon]

Poseidon attack with Exhaust Riser

[hot cairn]

oh ty i was always going aphro

[finite quail]

guys i don't understand how to open the sigil to go up

[hot cairn]

keep playing

[civic ocean]

The deciding factor for this for me is usually not the defense but the offences

If you’re planning to use a build that uses things like Omega Casts, Blitz, Heph Blasts, Waves, Scorch or Hexes, you want 25% more damage, as it’s harder to get that.

But if you were using, say, a % based attack boon, a chaos attack boon, furies, origination, and huntress, Strength is only taking you from like 160% damage to 185%, not nearly as useful an increase

[stable lichen]

ooooo

that’s a take i never actually considered

thanks for that

[frozen hatch]

For Xinth, Siege Frame or Reaper Frame? They sound so similar, is one just way better than the other, or is it roughly a wash?

[neon crown]

total eclipse with preparation/vastness 3/magnitude 2/purpose/devastation one shots scylla phase 2 if you can hit all three

this seems a bit much

i got that all with one pos

also, do path of stars stuff count as boons for Echo?

[half sigil]

On regular attacks reaper frame does more dmg, on omega attack siege frame is higher. Siege frame increase your reach by a lot though. I personally think siege frame is the best hammer overall for xinth

[surreal hazel]

Reaper makes it wider

Nova strike makes it obscene

[analog ether]

Any suggestions on a good Blades build for the surface? Working on finishing off the Testaments since the update.

[waxen garden]

pan + wave flourish + slippery slope + arctic ring/smolder ring

blinding sprint is great too but not required

[analog ether]

Hmm. I wouldn't think that Pan would be good for Prometheus, since it's such a pain keeping him in a cast.

[waxen garden]

oh good point, but it does so much damage that it doesn't matter

arctic ring is better in that case because of freeze

[wheat lava]

it doesn't matter at all lol. pan just does way too much damage

[waxen garden]

i had this ridiculous run with king tide + exceptional talent

[wheat lava]

keeping enemies in cast is a barely a consideration when you play pan. you're getting off max 1-2 omegas off per cast anyway

[waxen garden]

also this seems to go against conventional wisdom but i really like the arcana card that restores mana on pan

makes sure you're never caught with your pants down

[willow phoenix]

I like the mana regen card for general runs, min maxing doesn't really matter pre 32 fear imo

[waxen garden]

i just did 32 fear underworld with it on too, worked great

[willow phoenix]

If not pan, then I like scorch on any blade attack. You can go hestia attack and demeter special then go for their duo

[steel prawn]

bros im so sad 😔 i had the athena+hades DD build and some discordant bell stacks and chronos killed me with his circle zone attack just as i would've killed him T-T

[willow phoenix]

Pan is basically the easiest though, you can do 0-32f with it pretty straightforwardly

The build is literally just poseidon + utility

[neon crown]

In Tartarus, I sometimes see a small paper(?) symbol next to the skull you would see under room rewards

Does that mean anything at all?

Also, is it worth going to reward rooms instead of the numbered ones there too?

[stark arrow]

Quick question, anyone know if Looming Ignition works on Aspect of Medea?

[past salmon]

room is related to a prophecy

[neon crown]

Cool

[analog ether]

Okay, finally. So, that leaves Prometheus Staff and two Coat Testaments.

At least I assume there's another Coat after Eris.

[willow phoenix]

They all end at 20/24 now

[bleak night]

4th surface boss bounty waiting room

[boreal zealot]

are there any builds that Spirit Surge goes well with? i thought there was something that used magick every strike, but it may have been patched out. the quickest application i can think of would be the zeus dash, which if i understand it correctly, is double the lightning.

[twilit timber]

Also very easy to set him up right after his flames, you can fire off 2 full specials at him immediately after dodging the flame

And with almost any decent pan build that's enough to trigger the next flame

[willow phoenix]

Mirrored thrasher for staff is still there. Zeus sprint is probably the easiest way to use it

[boreal zealot]

thanks! if i went mirrored thrasher, i'm thinking spirit surge with aphrodite or hestia's gain could be a fun combination (gaining magick as fast as i lose it)

[neon crown]

does Echo's pom buff work on path of stars stuff?

[waxen garden]

I don't think so, you don't pom Hexes

[bleak night]

nope

[surreal hazel]

Absolutely

[surreal hazel]

Sadly not quite, the tick rate for spirit surge is 0.25, the dash is 0.15. So you're getting 50% more lightning

Also torch omega attack ticks rapidly

Still though, stack on double strike and get some King's Ransom going on there and you can just run around and pretend you're a 50hz AC mains supply

(Spirit surge still seems really janky though, it's more sensible than it used to be but still...)

[boreal zealot]

as long as i see lots of lightning happening, my monkey brain will tell me it's a good build, so i'm all for it

[surreal hazel]

I feel that reducing the visual noise of lightning strikes from how they appeared in H1 was a good design choice for this reason

[onyx trench]

this is the truth. big zappy number go boom

[ember sleet]

the chamber reward type is needed for an incantation you marked as a forget-me-not iirc

[spare kite]

That has a finger pointing up iirc
Foolish is correct that is prophecy related

[pulsar kite]

I generally frown upon build crafting in games with such heavy RNG but this might actually be insane. I have found the combo to end all combos, aspect of momus (repeat omegas) on staff, mirrored thrasher for doubled attacks but they use mana, warmth gain for the mana back on attack (doubled so even the lowest level gains mana on attack still), and ofcourse Poseidon waves on attack for (doubled) on-hit. With the levels I have I believe it does about 1k-1.2k damage on full combo plus I have dash strike armour removal (also doubled) to remove all amour on dash strike. Full build so far: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787286855367262208/1305940613031661680/nM5XHFU.png?ex=6734db79&is=673389f9&hm=87d5c688e12959f15341ca3fac46dab7f060a237ed2dbf880d57c0230f24a247&

also ignore that I have more than 30 arcana points assigned it was grandfathered in from an earlier build where everything was cheaper

[magic moss]

yeah mirrored thrasher + warmth gain has been the high fear meta for quite a while now

its really strong

[pulsar kite]

yeah just chilling in nofear rn so I can get all the new stuff, still waiting for pet stuff

its crazy to me that Posiedon's more OP boons haven't been swapped around to make other gods(beings?) stronger, and for that matter some of Hestia's too

[magic moss]

poseidon is actually considered quite weak in high fear so thats probably why

[low bear]

with high enough mana honestly something like Ionic is good enough too

Ionic also lets Huntress work which is a plus

[pulsar kite]

I don't know what huntress is but Posiedon wave did 118k which I think is only being limited by the enemies having to little health, between mint condition's insane invulnerability, triple damage from hydraultic might and living nightmare with attack boons enabled I killed Prometheus flawless within maybe 20 second of actual damage phase (he did the stupid fire lanes thing)

[pulsar kite]

just found the huntress in the arcana cards increased damage whilst not full on mana is nice

[neat flare]

Does anyone know how damage reduction works? I had a run using strength (-50%), had fixed gain (-10%), used knuckle bones in Olympus (-15% from guardians) and had the axe hammer that reduces damage taken by 20% when using attacks and was still taking like 10 damage per hit from Prometheus

[magic moss]

1. Damage Reduction is multiplicative, not additive
2. Prometheus just does that to you

[neat flare]

Oh, good to know. Thanks

[strong lodge]

If I do a 32 fear run and clear it, will it unlock both the 16 fear and 32 fear statue? Or will I need to do another 32 fear run again?

[low bear]

I'm not sure but it will probably unlock both

[wise idol]

It unlocks both but you can only unlock one statue per conversation so you’ll have to do a run and come back after unlocking the 16f statue

But you only have to fulfill the fear requirement once

[proper cedar]

i need help with 32 fear (both underworld and surface). best fear setup. and build recomendations

im thinking aspect of pan and poseidon (because its the easiest but any recomendations help )

[safe scaffold]

The build that consistently gets me the W is Mel Coat w/ Freezer Burn

Hestia attack and Demeter cast

And if you can get Burning Desire it’s even better

[amber dagger]

what builds are good with nyx

[safe scaffold]

I would assume whatever works for Mel also works with Nyx

[amber dagger]

so whats good with mel

[safe scaffold]

Freezer Burn build with Hestia attack and Demeter cast is what I’ve been using to clear 32 fear consistently

[amber dagger]

istg if you say whats good with nyx

[amber dagger]

whats dat

nvm

[silent crow]

just start hestia attack and see what happens

[amber dagger]

hestia on spec sounds better

[silent crow]

i actually really like poseidon special spam

[silent crow]

its not hestias special is bad

[cursive oyster]

hestia is the only god who has a worse special than attack

[silent crow]

it has really low scorch numbers for some reason

[spare kite]

Your dash strike hits thrice, atk has higher scorch, access to exhaust riser hammer too

[safe scaffold]

^

[amber dagger]

i just got a 9k crit with it lol

[safe scaffold]

Yeah it’s pretty ridiculous

One more tip if you didn’t know is that you can just hold down attack the whole time and just dash to build up scorch really fast

[surreal hazel]

Dumb thing you can do to abuse smolder ring btw, it still ticks extra scorch during time slows, but scorch itself doesn't tick down

[amber dagger]

thanks

[surreal hazel]

so you can use Hex startups to pile up more scorch if you want to freezer burn it

Or just use burning desire

[amber dagger]

just got the attack trigger special dont think its to good with this

[safe scaffold]

It can be if you get something like Blitz on the special

[amber dagger]

i have dem

[safe scaffold]

That works too

Just some extra damage

[amber dagger]

but i cant build crazy scorch

still fire build

[surreal hazel]

Blitz can give more scorch with Thermal Dynamics

[safe scaffold]

Since the dash strike hits 3 times you don't really need any more scorch than that. But if you wanna get really crazy, try and get Burning Desire (Hestia/Aphrodite). Makes it so that your scorch doesn't go away at all unless its a boss phase transition.

[amber dagger]

i have the dash strike hammer

[safe scaffold]

Perfect then

[surreal hazel]

Exhaust Riser with Flame strike? lol

[safe scaffold]

If you wanna get super greedy and you get lucky, you can try Poseidon specials and try to get Scalding Vapor (Hestia/Poseidon) too

[amber dagger]

cant

[safe scaffold]

In a different run of course

Just telling you all the different options

[surreal hazel]

Slippery Slope duos are noticably rarer to see

[safe scaffold]

Yeah they're annoying to get

[surreal hazel]

Phoenix skin takes the prize for "fussiest duo" though

Because Apollo Duos are generally really fussy

[cursive oyster]

also the prize for “worst duo” and quite possibly “worst boon”

[surreal hazel]

overcompensating for it, since healing in a permadeath roguelike is something to be tightly controlled

[amber dagger]

Just lost to prom because i got stuck on a wall smhg

[surreal hazel]

d'oh

[amber dagger]

but i did got freezer burner again les go

[safe scaffold]

W

[amber dagger]

but died to god room

ima try it with pan build

[proper cedar]

what is the best build for heph (any weapon idc)

[amber dagger]

Staff maybe idk

[lapis kite]

what are some ways to more consistently make boons heroic, except for Demeter's and Hera's boons?

[amber dagger]

That one keepsake with fountains

[cursive oyster]

that and using a god keepsake to rarify an epic boon

[cursive oyster]

narcissus’s aromatic phial

[amber dagger]

Ye

[lapis kite]

I saw someone claim a while ago that getting out of Erebus without heroic on your main boon is an anomaly for them, but I forgot to follow up on it

any other things I could consider? though I def should upgrade the phial a bit I suppose

[cursive oyster]

that person likely uses phial to rarify a common or a god keepsake to rarify an epic

[lapis kite]

aight. thanks :)

[strong lodge]

32 fear surface run feels significantly harder for some reason. Running Moros torches but can’t seem to get the boom synergy I need. Any help with Aracana loadout would be appreciated!

[low bear]

32 Surface is just hard yes, much harder than the equivalent 32 in UW. Olympus enemies are just crazy

Moros best build usually:

Hera Atk/Zeus Spec/Dem Cast/Any curse sprint (Aphro/Apollo)/Born Gain or Ionic Gain. The best hammer is Clean Candle but the other attack boosting and omega special boosting ones are good too. Melting is also good for armored enemies and minibosses in Olympus which are pretty tough.

For Arcana take all the rolls, boatman, sorceress, furies, swift runner, lovers, Eternity, etc. it's the usual good ones. Origination is optional but you'd probably have to drop lovers for it. You could also choose between Boatman and Lovers and I probably prefer Boatman

[willow phoenix]

How does air quality work with scorch?

[low bear]

it makes it stronger

I think it does a little bit above 2x the normal scorch dps

[teal fractal]

had a lot of fun using staff with heph, aka the Staph Infection build

someone give me a build to try rn

[lofty lintel]

I'm struggling so hard to beat Eris after the update. Before I used to be able to do it easy but now I'm losing death defiances left and right. Is there something I should be focusing on when fighting Eris?

[analog ether]

You know a set-up that I'd be curious to see how well it works?

A Deep Freeze Glorious Disaster.

The ideal would be both the Demeter/Zeus and Apollo/Zeus duos, using Arctic Ring as the base Cast, with Deep Freeze to prolong the freeze as long as possible.

[hollow briar]

It works just as well as you'd think

[surreal hazel]

Dash through her, like always. The update only nerfed her

[hollow hemlock]

I think Promethius does too much damage and has too much HP. Two times I confronted him with 3 death defiances and lost. I can manage to beat every other boss in the game but him.

[lofty lintel]

😭 Everyone keeps saying that but i find her harder to beat now.

[amber dagger]

Soot sprint and god mode if needed

[willow phoenix]

Probably just rust, her changes are just that she now flies away if she's on top of fire, her shots have indicators, and that she has less phases.

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, a little rust is all it takes. Eris is either a joke or a solid brick wall