h2-builds-and-combat

[bleak night]

I'll probs do it on Charon

[acoustic remnant]

knowing him he rolls mynt condition here

[past salmon]

that would be damageless not no hit

[bleak night]

true, hm. I'll turn off Lovers and not get any of the shield stuff then

[acoustic remnant]

is that doable

[past salmon]

ofc its doable

[bleak night]

it's Charon on low fear, yeah

[tough vapor]

0 dmg taken. deflects and dodges not allowed and are counted against you. blocked hits NOT counted against you. can only take chaos gates if they will deal 0 dmg. armor DOES count against your hits

[tall notch]

Omg hi Foolish

[past salmon]

omg hi coldshade

[faint oyster]

I've recently discovered how fun a max rank Thanatos is with Hermes boons. Bringing in Artemis' keepsake and Raki makes it even better.

[tall notch]

How do you actually like make the timer with Selene coat? I cruised through Mel and Nyx but I'm stuck in Erebus with Selene

[faint oyster]

And that plus Hell Splitter (Aphrodite) and I was doing 1k-2k damage

[tough vapor]

fast axe is great fun, get rapid slash

[faint oyster]

Ooh, would once I could.

[tough vapor]

yeah my go to is apollo attack with rapid slash and hermes nimble limbs, you just clear the screen so fast

[faint oyster]

Niiice. Been thinking of trying to get a Perfect Image/Shameless Attitude run with Thanatos

[half sigil]

If you used Hera attack on blades what would you pair it with? Haven’t messed with Hera yet but everybody says it’s goated

[tough vapor]

its VERY nice

[tall notch]

Storm ring I guess

[half sigil]

And then maybe heph and Demeter?

[tall notch]

And that wicked hammer for atk power

[tough vapor]

got a triple coin with this, was 1080 gold

[faint oyster]

I'd say Pan blades. The thing with Hera I feel is that you want to pair her with boons and attacks that capitalize on bouncing and added attacks ala Poseidon splash or Hestia scorch

[half sigil]

I don’t like pan lol

[faint oyster]

Hera likes the blades and coat for he bounce effect I feel. She pairs funnily well with her husband too.

[half sigil]

Who’s her husband

[faint oyster]

Zeus

[tall notch]

Hera Pan? @past salmon is that new meta?

[faint oyster]

Though careful with their duo boons

[past salmon]

no I think Pos is better

[half sigil]

Yea it removes Zeus lol I saw

How is Hera on Artemis or mel

[tough vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/900387359932174442/1298475598724862004/image.png?ex=6719b323&is=671861a3&hm=d0c9407809950ffad1e0db40b4789fbd5400d544939bb7609c8324ef4be7baed&

ahm rich

[past salmon]

idk bro I didn't have an issue

[tall notch]

I had a Hera attack on Artemis vod somewhere on my channel

[tough vapor]

still had over 3k after buying out the last shop

[half sigil]

Oh neat let me watch

[tall notch]

But you're like really fast 😭

[half sigil]

Wait was it Hera and Aphrodite?

[tall notch]

https://youtu.be/T3-_ajaEPLs?si=_j_FduptC4uMQRad it's hera+dem+aphro

[half sigil]

thank you! gonnna watch it now

[tall notch]

I think there's a 4th god too but I can't find it on the boon list so you'll need to watch

[half sigil]

no problem i'll give it a watch thank you

[tall notch]

You're welcome!

[lament spoke]

oh shoot I didn't see the 1% (haven't upgraded DB yet myself) yeah, that does seem low

[pine ridge]

is it just me or is Lunar Ray kinda sick now
it can feel bad with Frenzy, but otherwise? I'm loving it recently

[faint oyster]

So Icarus gives some boons where an effect happens when the armor expires, if you grabbed Bones or Heph's replenishing armor boon, does Icarus' effects keep happening each time the armor breaks or is it a one time thing?

[bleak night]

@tough vapor There you go, hitless run, no Nitro Boost, no Snow Queen, no Lovers Arcana https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1298482313054781450/image.png?ex=6719b964&is=671867e4&hm=1c55091e272b9438cc8e510eaf863cfd5db811dfe42ffed5ba61d02bb2ac04ae& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1298482462132797515/image.png?ex=6719b987&is=67186807&hm=79dcd386109d45899fada6f9fd1573668617759703b54d06f1ea4bc8de8e2799&

I have Mint Condition, but that's about it

[lament spoke]

lord above

i love how I turn into an old British Christian when I'm shocked by your runs it's really funny

[tough vapor]

god damn

[lament spoke]

wait charon axe too????

not even like. a mobility weapon. lord almighty

[tough vapor]

im messing with a max gold run, allready got an epic quick buck and a 150% more gold chaos boon

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/900387359932174442/1298483736014487683/image.png?ex=6719bab7&is=67186937&hm=3af797a078ec2b9e4cae15305aa9061070f23d56ec3c766ad4a88c1a7f1d4856&

missed 100 gold cause nemesis stole my gold door after I beat her

[bleak night]

Tbf Charon is exactly why I was able to do it well

[past salmon]

Charon Axe is like the safest aspect in the game

[bleak night]

Plop down cast and then run away and blow it up from afar

[past salmon]

you do not need to approach

[bleak night]

My Wolf Howl also gave me permanent invulnerability

Each Omega Special cost me 80, Wolf Howl only needed 70

[past salmon]

also idk if Selene can do surface 50F with how long it is rn
like I don't know why they made Thessaly and Olympus so goddam long

2 runs now making it to Prom with no time

[bleak night]

Ye usually my issue

It's either I have no time and 2-3 dds or no dds and 2 minutes

[tough vapor]

ive made a horrible error, accidentally sold my quick buck when I meant to sell my poseidon attack, this is so sad chat, ima reset ((only just beat hecate, no huge issue

[lament spoke]

oh so true

I, being bad at hades and a fan of moving a lot, cannot work out charon axe super well without getting slightly hit

[lament spoke]

rip 😔

[past salmon]

or I get dragon fight and lose for free if I dont have a melting hammer
This fight is seriously so unbalanced

[bleak night]

15000 armour

[tough vapor]

i find it a lot more fun wwith either glowing coal or lightning lance, so your combo is Throww cast-> special -> reposition if needed -> repeat

[lament spoke]

my issue with axe is literally how long it takes to hit

[tough vapor]

playstyle differences I guess

[lament spoke]

not even actually in terms of difficulty, I just get bored

[lament spoke]

yeah - I like the stuff that feels more tactile? my favourite part of blades is going clickclickclick lmao

[tough vapor]

I like axe for the hehe BONK

[lament spoke]

I like than axe

because, you guessed it, it's faster

[tough vapor]

fair

[lament spoke]

I was a fists girlie in h1

[tough vapor]

I bet you LOVE mel xinth

[grave forge]

those Icarus boons mention that their effects occur the next time your Armor reaches 0, so only once

[lament spoke]

haven't played it yet! got my first xinth win with selene, it was my third fastest time clearing the underworld at 11.28

[tough vapor]

so basically, take selene xinth, remove the hex, and put it on crack cocaine

[lament spoke]

yay cocaine!

I like the hex though the hex was my highest damagr

[faint oyster]

that's a shame

[amber dagger]

is hestia good on morus

[tough vapor]

mel xinth also speeds up omega attacks

[lament spoke]

but no hex

I'll take it for a spin sometime

[tough vapor]

find selene on run

[lament spoke]

but skyfall isn't a hex I can take

[tough vapor]

true

[lament spoke]

I'm not normally taking hexes unless I have to (unrollable spot in fields)

[tough vapor]

but phase shift might also go well

[lament spoke]

is that the slowy downy one

[tough vapor]

yes

[lament spoke]

because once again. opposite of my primary thesis, which is: fast

[tough vapor]

theres wolf howl

[bleak night]

A Phase Shift upgrade makes you attack and special way faster during the slowdown

[lament spoke]

OH NEAT

[lament spoke]

I like wolf howl

okay I will try out mel coat tomorrow. for now I sleep (its 05:32)

[pine ridge]

while Selene aspect is the obvious Hexer, I love the Nyx aspect for em too
easy to chain a couple sprints into a cheap hex, rinse and repeat. usually takes until region 2 to come together though. find it easier to pull off above than below

[shy stratus]

Just discovered my new favorite build with xinth. Specifically done with Mel xinth, but could work for any of them. Sworn Strike, Warmth Gain, Incandescent Aura, and the Exhaust Riser hammer. Use one Attack, then dash strike for ridiculous damage

[low bear]

Is it just me or do Fire Rockets go kinda hard?

[past salmon]

just you, scorch did so little here 😭 #h2-victory-boasting message

[low bear]

lmao maybe

well it felt good at least

also I was an idiot I didn't have hutnress on in my last 3 runs that got to Chronos

[past salmon]

I don't run Huntress anymore anyway

tbf its good on coat (not selene) actually

[low bear]

Which one, huntress or fire? LOL

[past salmon]

huntress lol

[low bear]

It seems good on Mel when you mostly attack and special

[past salmon]

I just dont run huntress cuz I find it annoying to use an omega every room
Its nice on nyx that thing uses the omega for me

[upbeat plover]

Did they make omega attack on staff skinnier or am I tripping

[low bear]

Fair I guess I find using omega rockets at the beginning while things spawn is fine

[lean vapor]

I haven't played since like june are there any cool builds that have popped up? does staff machine gun still work?

[low bear]

Yes there are lots of new builds since then and no OG Momus got nuked

[lean vapor]

and born gain nerfed too i assume?

[low bear]

yeah it got nerfed but still works the same, it's still quite good depending on your build/weapon

[idle haven]

has any1 found any specific nieche case for fluid gain where it's like oh yeah this is 100% the best for this case? or just kind of it's there?

[surreal hazel]

Omega attack multi hit spam

Bubbles proc off any hit, so things like dancing daggers or shimmering rockets just spew mana

[tough vapor]

going for a max pom lvl run, jut got echo and its lvl 22 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/900387359932174442/1298519892055691275/image.png?ex=6719dc63&is=67188ae3&hm=d369ba0f271021678944628ec63cc0f3b35d58c7758414d8718bc6e57c4526e1&

[surreal hazel]

Fluid gain can also keep torches running very well

[tough vapor]

gambled on poseidon for sea star but got oceans bounty instead, thankfully not forced to take a pom boon, but sea star on the triple poms wouldve been GREAT for the run

[tough vapor]

got it up to lvl 24, unlucky wwith pom rooms in tartarous, but lost to chronos cause of trying to special without magic during the insta kill and sliding out of the safe zone

[past salmon]

you should do this with king/queens ransom

[tough vapor]

thatd be another tactic for sure, as I see it the two big tactics would be either only ever get 1 boon and go for every possible pom and sacrifice(( with the shop item for the two free lvls)), or trying to get the ransom before you get echo, which would be impressibe but difficult

[past salmon]

I saw someone get like lvl 50ish with ransom strats already

[tough vapor]

oh damn, yeah my tactic is useless of comparison

[rugged moon]

@idle haven to move out of victory chat, ive been LOVING bridal glow. at 50f you often only get like maybe 4-5 boons in erebus so if one of those is bridal glow you can basicly gurentee sell it now and just have 2 free epics

i dont think its actually very like... optimal? rarity isnt that important but i enjoy it so much

and cause of forsaking boons i can get it back easily

[tough vapor]

I figure avoiding every other god but zues and hera, focus on one hera and one zues boon to pom when you get the chance so you can take full adv of the ransom and sell as many of your other insanely high lvl boons as you can

[tough vapor]

some boons I think do REALLY well with better rarities, like, apollo attack the gulf between rarities is huge imho

[idle haven]

as long as it's fun go for it.seems like you've been having a good time with it

[rugged moon]

ye

and like, one of the downsides is i dont roll boons very much, i just take whatever and rarify it because i want to hold me rerolls for the sell pools or i risk not seeing bridal and having them demote all the way back to common

although still works well fi you just get the second one in like, late fields

[glossy rivet]

is icarus special worth it on coat?

or +10 power for omega attack coat?

already got world collider though

[half sigil]

Thanks for the advice and the video !
Gave it a try and it slaps I love it
https://streamable.com/pf9nlp

Also it’s crazy how hammer impact your run. The one before both hammer were all useless full specials, and here I got wicked onslaught, final slice and the backstab one

Did insane damage, but the run before I was doing literally nothing

[glossy rivet]

have heroic apollo attack
have world collider
have exceptional talent
still does not oneshot armored satyrs
FEELS BAD MEL

what else do i need to add to make omega atk coat gooder dang

[half sigil]

Can’t you not one shot armor ennemies like, by default

[glossy rivet]

exceptional talent should count as asecond hit, i think
so first hit breaks armor, then the second hit damages hp

apparently not enough for satyr sappers with armor

[half sigil]

Oh is it multi hit. Idk I never used this weapon yet

[vale shard]

As long as they have 1 armor they need 2 hits, that 1 armor will block 999999 dmg

[half sigil]

Is there a doc or guide on the damage calc? Between flat dmg boost and % it’s hard to tell which is best sometimes

[rugged moon]

% are just additive. The math is pretty simple cause of that

(Base + Power) * total %

[glossy rivet]

thats the thing
does apollo legendary not count as a secondhit or what? since it makes omega attacks and specials strike twice

[ionic kelp]

How would y'all rank the Xinth aspects?
I really like the look and feel of the Selene one

[half sigil]

What is base + power, is it based per weapon? Additive is kinda neat

[rugged moon]

Yes. The wiki has the damage numbers for the weapons. It’s different even with in weapon. Combo sequencces have differing damage from each other

Power is just… anything that adds power. Mainly hammers

[half sigil]

Ok so flat dmg increase. Neat I’ll check the wiki, seems simple enough.

Thanks!

[west summit]

Tried Medea ASS Gasp, it’s a monster

[lusty heron]

how are eos and moros torches built ?

[bleak night]

Sworn Strike + Arctic Ring core for Moros with either Hestia or Hera MP Regen, Zeus on Special and Static Shock are also good, but not inherently required. 4th can be Heph.

[lusty heron]

ok awesome thank you !

another question
do you have a arcana setup for selene coat ?

[bleak night]

I have Foolish's, lemme grab that for you rq

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1298588788532183050/image.png?ex=671a1c8d&is=6718cb0d&hm=cc99539f74d422a813e783e0f338bbc54e2e66ddbc87442c464fd65b12a4a0f1& Can swap Origination for Boatman (the other 5 cost card on the bottom left) if you prefer more money for boons + 4 extra rerolls to control what you get

You know the general idea for Selene or not quite? It's not the most intuitive aspect ngl

[lusty heron]

oh feel free to explain it !

spam omegas in sequence then hex
is what i gathered

[bleak night]

In essence, yeah, but also not really spam. Just incorporate the Omegas into your general gameplay more, don't go out of your way to use just them + make sure to alternate Omega Spec and Omega attack as much as you can if you can help it, because you have the Death Arcana. You start Moon Beam (Selene's keepsake) and use all 8 points to get to the Violet upgrade called Prism asap (if it's Cascade, it sucks, probs restart the run lol)

[lusty heron]

lol ok thank you !

[bleak night]

npnp

[low bear]

which one is Prism

is it the 3 hit one or the other one

[bleak night]

3 hit one

[low bear]

ah right then, I also thought that Cascade was doodoo and not worth the +30 mana lol

[spare kite]

Cascade is omega one?

[bleak night]

Cascade sucks yeah

[low bear]

maybe it would have been okay if it was blue and didn't have +30 mp

[bleak night]

Yep, I hope they change that or make it cost negative so it makes your Hex come by faster

[past salmon]

ok guys
maybe its because I've gone insane
but cascade
doesn't feel that bad rn 😭

[low bear]

maybe you have gone insane

also I'm mixed if suffering should be brought back or not hmm, I really liked it but it seemed to inflate Heph (and trusty) value an insane amount

it kinda feels refreshing feeling like I don't "need" Heph on my high fear runs (could still just be skill issue on my part but eh lol)

[past salmon]

the solution is to just nerf/rework trusty shield
Even disregarding suffering, that boon is absurdly strong
especially with new strength giving it douible value, so an epic trusty is giving you +40 health every room

[indigo coyote]

question: if i have part of my magick primed does it mean i'm no longer at 100% mana which can work with "The Huntress" arcana? (+attk and +special dmg when <100% magick)

[spare kite]

Primed amount is your new 100% so no

[indigo coyote]

ouch, thanks.

[willow phoenix]

Inb4 they make trusty only reset every biome

[vital ledge]

well... it really is almost never "wrong" to take it. it is a little bit too good to be true. my most picked boon according to the stats. unless you want another 4th god to increase your damage maybe

[tall notch]

I love the oneshot parries!

[river wadi]

for Aphrodite boons, do i need to stay next to the enemies?

[spare kite]

The range is like, the axe's spin attack (except the edge of it)

So not exactly hugging the enemies

[river wadi]

ok, so not good for ranged playstyle

[spare kite]

The poseidon duo removes the range limit but yeah

[river wadi]

not even apply weak, quite a downfall from H1

[cursive oyster]

it’s still quite good and aphrodite has three great ways to apply weak already

[river wadi]

any tips for Eris "shotgun" attack?

[spare kite]

Keep dashing behind her

While she's rotating towards you dash to the safe spot and repeat, you get to dps her for relatively free

If you wanna play it safe play around the pillars and just stay behind one for the attack

Or frinos

[spare kite]

You can also do this if she's next to a wall but is harder/riskier as you need to dash from side to side

[river wadi]

she is small so its kind of hard to tell when she use that attack

[slate trench]

Trying to base a run around heph cast for giggles but I realized it opens you up to almost nothing, only 1 duo (that doesn't even help it), not even his legendary, wish they treated it as a "blast" effect

What do you guys usually run if you get a seed with epic cast?

[cursive oyster]

storm ring

[spare kite]

In general try to stay behind her for this yeah, both bullet attacks can be dodged like this

[river wadi]

thank you

[spare kite]

Just don't try it if she hasn't done the dash attack in a bit

[compact nest]

Eris has the turning radius of a semi truck, she turns hella slowly and you can always counter rotate her, even at 40% increased speed

The animation of her bringing up the gun is also fairly obvious and after enough runs you understand her timings between attacks without even seeing the animation,

So yeah dodge behind her is the counter for most of her attacks. Alternatively hug the pillar as it can only break from the sniper shot or VERY rarely her dash attack, though i dont know what triggers it since ive only had it happen once

[north wedge]

Do we have such a thing like meta in Hades2? What is OP etc

[compact nest]

More of a "know whats bad" meta tbh

Lots of things are viable, some things are overwhelming strong but most fit into the viable territory

[willow phoenix]

If you're not doing something like 50 fear I don't really think meta matters all that much. Pretty much everything is viable right now for the contents inside the game.

And tbh I don't think focusing on meta is all that healthy for a game that is not a live service game and is a rogue like. Half of rogue like is the dying and trying part.

[forest oxide]

you guys prefer selene or nyx for xinth?

[spare kite]

Selene aspect is prettier :p
Gameplay wise I like nyx a bit more tho

[forest oxide]

haha either way im going gaga over the thought of nyx with a mech suit xx But ooooh what do you like about it?

[spare kite]

The sprint is fun/ I like the extra aoe that nightspawn gives

[west summit]

Excellence💀

[tall notch]

I don't think this patch's meta has formed yet, it's still pretty fresh

[celest pecan]

selene is goated

[tall notch]

I'm a fan of Nyx

But I might have simply not gotten used to Selene yet as apparently it is getting a plenty of praise from others

[north wedge]

I dont even do 5 fear Im rn enjoying with 0 fear or 1 fear for this thing which upgrade my scythe

[bleak night]

Try out 16, it's fun

[bleak night]

I feel like some bits of the meta have been stabilized at least, like Hitch being really good and Hera being top tier

[sudden inlet]

So is it just me or is Aphro just the best all around for Xinth if you go for the punch build?

[compact nest]

Poseidon is better for dash attack, since it hits 3x = 3x splash procs

[bleak night]

Apollo also worth a note since it makes your Omega Attack massive

[sudden inlet]

Cool, will have to try those. I know Hera was GOATed for the special on the run that I just had since the rockets spread Hitch with the bounce hammer all over the rooms.

[fervent anchor]

apollo is amazing for it

[frail jasper]

I have 27 grasp. What arcana should I use for an aspect of charon build? I really want to kill Eris for the first time since I need the G apple for the incantation that allows me to see the boons of a god in the compendium.

[steel sequoia]

im playing the optimal 12 fear as always

[compact nest]

The only thing really relevant would be the +100 power on omega casts and +50% damage to enemies in casts. Everything else is your preference

[frail jasper]

Alr

[compact nest]

Origination too if you get boons to activate it like blitz special + demeter cast or something

[steel sequoia]

i think this is the first step fear to get used to high fear runs https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1298660281685377107/20241023115157_1.jpg?ex=671a5f23&is=67190da3&hm=9e92a682bc561f28e4a180f55fd7e33f65c4e7bd783d46dc9f4edc583c665140& i do recommend using it

[rugged moon]

Fang more important then menace imo

[frail jasper]

12 arcana for the dice arcana (I am addicted to them), 4 for Eternity, 5 for origination, 2 for night, 2 for The Titan and 2 for furies

That adds up to 27

only problem is no 1 cost for the centaur but I'll get another grasp after this run

[rugged moon]

Imo do boatman or origination not both

Grab lovers/artificer and a 1 cost instead

[frail jasper]

25% dmg vs 200 gold + 3 dice

[rugged moon]

Boatman

[tall notch]

This patch both boatman and orig is actually doable

On manaless builds

[rugged moon]

They dont have full grasp, taking origination means not taking artificer and centaur

[tall notch]

Ohh nvm

Though tbh arti isn't crucial when you're not running onion (and they shouldn't if they don't even have full grasp)

[frail jasper]

I heard Zeus is good with charon, what other gods / boons should I get?

[bleak night]

Can afford not to take Artificer if it's low fear imo

[bleak night]

Apollo priority for Lucid Gain, get Demeter on Cast for Freeze, Hera or Zeus on Special for Origination, rest is unneeded, but helps you clear things faster

[frail jasper]

Apollo Lucid gain, demeter cast, zeus/hera special. Got it

[bleak night]

Apollo Special is god tier on it because it increase the blast radius by a ton, and those overlap, so feel free to go maybe...

Apollo Gain, Apollo Special, Demeter Arctic Gale, Aphrodite/Hestia/Hera Cast

It's Origination + Apollo's blast radius venn diagram for max damage

But in general, both work equally fine

[bleak night]

You know that you can dash while charging or using OSpecial right?

Helps with general safety

[frail jasper]

Nope, all I know is that I can do cast while charging special

[bleak night]

You can dash, a pro tip I have also

[frail jasper]

Testing it before I start the run and it doesn't seem possible to dash while charging OSpecial

[bleak night]

Is that Casts are wider horizontally and diagonally, so if you want that Lucid Gain bonus while dodging away, try not to go vertically

[bleak night]

Hold special, then dash and reposition

[frail jasper]

Do you mean to hold special, let go of special, dash and reposition?

[bleak night]

If you can't do it, I can try to take a clip

[bleak night]

Don't let go, you gotta hold then dash while holding. At any stage, you can dash

[frail jasper]

Oops, I confused B on the controller for the dash button, lel.

[bleak night]

I set mine on the Nintendo B (bottom of the four)

Also ngl, I mostly just dash with L1

[frail jasper]

Would the apollo keepsake, my only 3 star keepsake out of all of those gods mentioned earlier, be a wise choice?

[bleak night]

Yeah, Lucid Gain start kinda alleviates all your MP issues

It's just infinite as long as you don't mess up, and you have a ton of chances to mess up and not be fully out of MP anyway

[frail jasper]

Alr, I'll start the run now.

[bleak night]

Have fun

[zealous condor]

Saw eris die when I had 39 (strength) hp + 0 DD and thought the death screen was my own for a good second, solid kekw

[frail jasper]

I've gotten Zeus on the special, demeter on the cast and lucid gain. What god/s could be wise to take now?

[rugged moon]

Heph

Just get some survival stuff

[frail jasper]

Alr

[bleak night]

Honestly, your damage is fine now ngl lol, fully going defensive from here on out and looking to upgrade your Hex as much as you can are both good

If your Hex is Total Eclipse, then that's p much the best one on Charon. For Lunar Ray, kinda need the automatic turret upgrade for it to be worth a damn

[frail jasper]

I heard hestia sprint is good against Eris, but at the same time I think poseidon's omega cast might be broken on Charon. I didn't get Total Eclipse, I got wolf howl (got unlucky). Would it be better to pick a keepsake to kill Eris, or a god keepsake to try and better the build? I alr have the 4 natural god limit, Zeus, Apollo, Heph, Demeter

[bleak night]

Oh, the Poseidon Omega Cast doesn't do much for it sadly

[frail jasper]

Really? I thought it procced on a charon aspect detonated cast

[bleak night]

It's kinda mediocre is all

Dont need to go Poseidon since he's way out of the way

Your Cast already does 400 + origination damage

[compact nest]

single like 200 burst damage is mid.

[frail jasper]

Now that I think about it, yeah.

[bleak night]

For keepsake here... probs just run Chaos egg ?

Chaos has a lot of effects that are great on Charon

[frail jasper]

Alr. Might be good to level it up as well. I just gotta kill polyphemus. Might be hard since I can't dodge the shockwaves sent from his leaps because the dust obscures them.

[bleak night]

• special damage
• cast damage
  Mana bonus
  Mana cost reduction
  Gold earned weighs more
  Sprint speed

All of these are pretty useful

[bleak night]

Set cast down and charge O-Special, only dash when he's leaping or you're in immediate danger

[frail jasper]

I just barely managed to kill him without losing a DD. Thank you for the tip

[bleak night]

[frail jasper]

Chaotic pre-born chicken keepsake was the plan, right?

[bleak night]

Yep, Hammer even at rank3 doesn't reach Prometheus because of the abundance of encounters

[frail jasper]

Ight.

[bleak night]

What did the gambling egg give you?

[frail jasper]

65% chance to find 100% resources with Gathering tools. Nice for me because I need a bunch of psyche

[bleak night]

Ah, fair enough lol

It'll change anyway, so hopefully it's something usable in combat

[frail jasper]

Yep

[zealous condor]

Damn

I took 184 damage from Prometheus with strength (although one was screwing up memory game and eating idk 80? For it)

Do you kill adds before memory game if you can help it/remember to lol?

Also why the hell do the summons kinda just stand around until you hit them at least once?

[bleak night]

I leave the adds alone so they don't need to be dealt with lol

[zealous condor]

Truu

But also I usually end up w/ some spammy bs where at least two of them are triggered by specials or omega hits going way too far xd

[frail jasper]

Alr now I can charge my specials 12% faster. Not bad, actually.

[bleak night]

lol fair enough

[frail jasper]

It's only tier 1. The gambling egg hasn't hatched yet. He'll need a while before he can get a jackpot

[spare kite]

Does chaos charge speed even work on the O.special

[frail jasper]

Sure feels like it does

Time for Eris. I can't remember the last time I got to her. I wonder if this build I have 0 experience with will be able to beat her lol

Yay, did it having only lost a single DD

Should I keep the gambling egg or switch to smt else for Olympus?

[compact nest]

did gamba egg give you something good currently? if yes then switch if no then no.

[frail jasper]

It's t1 so I got 12% faster channeling for omega moves

[spare kite]

I'd just keep that

[compact nest]

Personally think thats horrible but you do you.

I would keep it just to help level it up to epic lmao

[frail jasper]

That's wise

[cursive heron]

I think Fang, Frenzy, and Shadow are the 3 vows that actually change the texture of individual encounters. Menace can be pretty scary, especially aboveground, but you can still learn how to fight those enemies without it being active.

[frail jasper]

I doubt I'll beat mr eagle tamer this run anyways

[spare kite]

Better to just use a defensive keepsake for prom anyways

[cursive heron]

I'm not saying Fang 2 + Frenzy 2 + Shadow is the easiest low fear pact lmao, but it's the best one to actually get used to ramping up the difficulty in other ways.

[steel sequoia]

fangs are prolly the last vow someone would enable, i dont know if its good for an entry since its far from "free"

but you made your point

[spare kite]

If you plan to go higher than 32f I would prob start using it early

For 32f or lower keep it at fangs 1 or off imo

[sudden inlet]

I believe in you, if I could beat him with no DD left and literally 5 health with Heph attack on Black Coat you can do it

[frail jasper]

I ended up dying to a random spiky automaton I thought I had already killed

Atleast I FINALLY have that golden apple to craft the boon compendium incantation.

[magic moss]

if you dont plan on doing higher than 32, fangs1 should be the max, fangs 2 is where you get into bs territory

[autumn nymph]

Black coat might be one of the most ridiculous weapons ever its giving malphon + exagryph vibes

[sudden inlet]

The knuckle bones cheese is real for trying to learn Prometheus fight though, especially the Simon Says nonsense

[spare kite]

Coat is so cool

[autumn nymph]

Does like a billion damage with a decent build

Just facerolled prometheus with eris keepsake and a decent build (only 2 fear tho)

[sudden inlet]

Aspect of Nyx will probably get nerfed because of how ridiculous its damage output is with the right build

[autumn nymph]

I use selene

[proven shell]

for hera boons, what is good to look out for

[autumn nymph]

I didn't understand what nyx did

[sudden inlet]

You put something like Heph or Hera attack on it and do the kamikaze bomber dash and you spread their effects EVERYWHERE

[proven shell]

i have sworn flourish, engagement ring, and born gain

[autumn nymph]

Not the one that puts boons at then at heroic then decreases unless ur in final area

[summer seal]

What build?

[sudden inlet]

You get a charged dash that uses 30 magicka that turns you into a kamikaze when you hit enemies and then makes your attacks and specials split for reduced damage

So your main attack deals 100% but the splits do 50% at max rank

[spare kite]

Hold sprint to charge O.boost, running into an enemy creates nightspawn that makes your attack/special split when hitting enemies (splits have reduced dmg)

[sudden inlet]

Selene has more of a learning curve to it purely because it gives you its own Hex

[spare kite]

You can't shotgun with nightspawn btw, is more focused on aoe

[autumn nymph]

Hestia special + Apollo strike, hammers that made me shoot 5 specials when I block something and 25% chance to shoot a special when I attack

I also had Zeus chain lighting on attack

Oh and aphrodite dash +hestia aphro duo

So scorch never went away

[carmine lagoon]

Since Incandescent Aura is 500% damage of restored magick, would Lucid Gain deal insane damage?

2500 dmg for common Lucid Gain 👀

[rugged moon]

youd have to actually recover that much

also you added a 0

500% of 50 is 250

[steel sequoia]

maybe giving a hex to staff would save it, Circe with staff would be flavourful

[proven shell]

what boons give magic restoration

[glad nova]

What causes heroic keepsakes?

[surreal hazel]

Cherished Heirloom Duo

Hera/Demeter

[spare kite]

Each god has a regen boon called X gain (X varies by god)

[surreal hazel]

and while it now does rarify your current heirloom, it kinda doesn't work as nice as you think

[spare kite]

Warmth gain (hestia) for example

Chaos also has a regen boo but don't remember the name

[surreal hazel]

Will

[glad nova]

Thanks!

[glad nova]

Why?

[surreal hazel]

depends on the keepsake

but like on experimental hammer? Doesn't suddenly give you 10 more rooms of whatever you already have

if the keepsake is already "Used up", then upgrading it after that does nothing

[rugged moon]

Also sadly many of them are kinda duds to upgrade

God boon keepsakes dont even have a third and some are just useless

[compact nest]

It used to completely refresh the keepsake but looks like that bug was fixed this update

Was only really useful for upgrading from 1>2 or 2>3 but looks like that "fix" basically bricked this duo boon lmao

[surreal hazel]

bricked it how? Formerly it didn't upgrade your currently held keepsake at all

[compact nest]

Because before it would have been great to upgrade a keepsake after using it to refresh it, now with that bugfix and this implementation it kept it useless for existing ones.

[surreal hazel]

probably to stop it being OP

using it to get a second experimental hammer would be nuts

Basically every keepsake needs have its own logic implemented on how to actually upgrade it while already in use

[compact nest]

would've required the old one to expire though, it never gave you a new one just reupped the existing duration. Though i never ranked it up after it expired i guess to confirm, just gave + turns to it

[frank creek]

Still can't get a staff build that is decent to outdps prometheus

Any tips?

[surreal hazel]

wicked thrasher and mirrored/rapid

alternatively using momos to lay down massive dps while he's stood still charging attacks, since he'll just eat all three omegas

[frank creek]

Hmm

[surreal hazel]

Gotta learn to push your luck when he's charging up his flame wave or flame explosions

like how you learned to run behind chronos when he uses his vacuum attack

[frank creek]

i think i like the second a little bit more, i would like to try thrasher

I mainly eat his damage and trade blows curently

[surreal hazel]

then back off more

[frank creek]

I dodge maybe 30 50% of attacks

[surreal hazel]

when he's not charging up stuff, he's fast, keep moving

[frank creek]

I have circe staff at rank 4

and melinoe at 5, will try momos

which god do i start with thrasher and omega?Poseidon for thrasher and Hera/Apolo for cast?

[surreal hazel]

Wicked or mirrored thrasher?

If wicked, you want big +Damage, so Hera/Aprodite etc...

Mirrored then you basically want Warmth gain, fluid gain in a pinch

[hexed frost]

Coat might surpass Thanatos one blades as my fav weapon

Base version Aphrodite on attack Hera on special

[tame cloud]

any cool aspect of moros builds?

[left hound]

Pos attack aph special?

[tame cloud]

Pushing enemies away with poseidon seems the opposite of what you want to do

In my run just now I found Zeus on the attack to be pretty strong but idk

[spare kite]

Just do a % boon atk, zeus special also works well

[glad kettle]

Hera/Hestia gain (I prefer Hestia) Zeus Special x Hestia attack. Demeter cast.

[tame cloud]

gain?

[spare kite]

Mp regen

[tame cloud]

mp?

[spare kite]

Mana

[glad kettle]

Mana

[tame cloud]

magick

when you say hera/hestia do you mean one or the other or duo

[spare kite]

The boon is always called X gain (X depends by god, like fluid/ionic/etc)

One of the two regens

[glad kettle]

Yeah I mean Either or

[tame cloud]

hmm ok, is Zeus not that good for this aspect?

I felt zeus on attack was pretty strong

[spare kite]

Better on special I'd say

[tame cloud]

Alright ill try that, not tried hestia yet

[glad kettle]

Better on spesh

[spare kite]

Your explosions have big base dmg so a % feels better

[glad kettle]

Set up your arcana to get duos early

If you get Dem/zeus and Dem/hestia, you’re going to have fun

[silent crow]

hestia gain hera attack zeus special

[proven shell]

Can anyone reconmend an arcana card set

[silent crow]

fish for static shock

[tame cloud]

I should probably get all the keepsakes LOL

[tame cloud]

wdym?

[silent crow]

screenshot your current set

[proven shell]

where can i post screenshot

[glad kettle]

Can’t remember the name but the one that gives you a better chance of getting duos

[tame cloud]

dm them probably

[lavish hare]

so does the Strength arcana work while Athena's "stubborn defiance" is unused?

[silent crow]

post it somewhere else right xlick it and click copy link

[tame cloud]

ohhh I'm still getting up all my grasp but I will get it soon likely

[silent crow]

yes

[lavish hare]

nice!

[glad kettle]

Oh, I see

[silent crow]

dont use that one btw its really bad

[tame cloud]

who to listen to

[spare kite]

Need to use the revive for strength to apply again

[proven shell]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/790321278187077646/1298714382531825758/image.png?ex=671a9185&is=67194005&hm=ff986ae1a58c610ff70cc0abbfb43dfb50aecdedd154bb557f7337b25a4510ff&

[silent crow]

excellence is bad dont use it

[proven shell]

ill switch for origionation

[silent crow]

you can switch for titan & lovers if you want also

[tame cloud]

i feel like titan is a must have

[glad kettle]

Try and just go with what you like tbh

[silent crow]

should take off wayward son and put on sorceress if you plan to use magic

[lavish hare]

its weird, i feel more tanky than usual even with my stubborn defiance going unused

[spare kite]

Is this 30 or 29 grasp

[proven shell]

29

[lavish hare]

can legendaries show up in a trial?

[cursive oyster]

yes

but not duos

[lavish hare]

ah alright, ik duos can't

[spare kite]

Some people have reported duos in trials this update iirc, but I assume bug

[low bear]

Leggos yes for sure

[plucky bolt]

i just got a 50% dodge chance with hestia, hermes, and aphrodite lol

[rugged moon]

@tranquil zenith i dont really think that the weapon js what was overpowered you had 75% double strike chance with a level 46 storm ring

You just had an amazing build cause of the duo into pom pom pom

Your cast did more then 7x anything else

[spare kite]

Omg that's a beautiful cast

[tranquil zenith]

No that is something I've seen over several runs now. Compared to staff and sickle on lvl 5, it's way too easy.

[spare kite]

King ramson into pomx3?

[rugged moon]

I mean i think its a strong weapon but its not overpowered strong

It had nothing to do with that kill at all that broke chronos

[tranquil zenith]

Duo Boon (dunnow which) that made me give up my 5 Hera Boons and added it on my Zeus Boons... times 4.

[rugged moon]

Kings random is the duos name

[tranquil zenith]

I didn't say it was this run in particular. As I said: I tried in on Olympus and Chronos, and everytime it just felt way too easy. To the point of me not using it anymore, as it feels like cheating.

[steel sequoia]

every time i tried kings ransom i got wreckt, i always run from it

[spare kite]

King ramson is hilarious

Queen ramson less so

[frank creek]

tips for a skull build?

[rugged moon]

Yeah sadly hera boons dont get as uch benefits from high leves

Which skull

[frank creek]

anyone

but i will probably go with medea

[rugged moon]

Medea? Apollo/hera on attack, zues on special, dem on cast. Load, zoom, freeze, repeat

You dont and often shouldnt load all three, its more efficient to just load one, especially with hitch and just move on to next target

[fickle parcel]

It's pretty funny that Chronos previously disabled pausing but without there being a gameplay incentive to pause.
Now there is Prometheus, where you can pause freely and you can do so to cheat the memory attack

[split thorn]

Anyone else here experiencing that the dog takes too long to dig?

[low pewter]

what do people typically take for a judgement run?

[tribal wedge]

God I hope pom flower returns

Its so fun, please sg!

[compact nest]

Happens for a lot of pets if they get stuck on pathing somehow

Had it happen for toula and frinos too.

[split thorn]

It just stands there for almost 10 seconds. It's like it can't decide whether to dig or not. Good thing that the timer stops when you ask hecuba to dig.

[trim shoal]

At mid shop in Oceanus, should I take miniboss for heph or narc to skip a chamber?

I have 4:32 on the clock if that matters, also 50F

[tribal wedge]

Narc imo, you get a free boon or pom anyway

[trim shoal]

K

[jovial charm]

Does air quality still apply to scorch ticks?

[wind kettle]

man having vow of scars with strength arcane really wasnt the smartest move ngl

[plush narwhal]

any suggested builds for skulls?

[glad nova]

Is the shield of the new weapon suposed to be unbreakable, or it has a short frames of regen? I Want to know if thats the case, or if Eris just shot thourgh the weapons hitbox

[trim shoal]

died in tart :(

[idle haven]

@rugged moon y'know. as much as I hate to break it to you. this will probably get patched somehow. the bridal glow thing. it's op and I tried it but yeah XD

[rugged moon]

it probably will, youre basicly getting like 5 poms of value or something like that

Its fun tho and powerful, my only concern is rng but its not even that bad

Although i still dont understand why it cant hit hermes/artemis/athena boons

[surreal hazel]

Except for one in particular

[nova dune]

Just fought Prometheus at 40% speed for the first time, god damn, dude got hands, barely clutched a win

[surreal hazel]

and it's probably the most bananas of them all to over level: Hereditary Bane

[rugged moon]

I mean its fine? Its not gonna up your boss damage like level 20 double strike/zues cast

[surreal hazel]

it grows by 10% per level, fixed

so at level 7+ it makes hitch do more damage via hitch than the original target took

and it just keeps going

[jovial cove]

so what are you supposed to do if you take gorgon amulet and Athena doesn't offer Stalwart Stand

[low bear]

Reroll

[compact nest]

Reroll.

Take mental block, which is unironically probably better.

[sly scarab]

Y’all got any recommendations against Eris? I keep getting to Liver Man with only like 1 death defiance, and I blame the chaos girlie. Just slipping up once can leech you a defiance, and I just don’t know what to do other than “just dodge it 5head”. I’ve been aggressively hunting for hesta dash, which significantly helps, but activating only on dash is rough.

[sly plaza]

Stay close to her

Her turning radius is much slower than her animations suggest

Also makes it super easy to dash through her if she catches you slipping

[sly scarab]

Doesn’t that whack ya with the dash gun tho?

Because her wind up frames are so fast

[sly plaza]

Nope. If she dashes at you just dash through her model

[lusty heron]

you can also take it slow and just hide behind a pillar when shes on a pattern you have trouble evading

[compact nest]

Unironically dodge it 4head,but preemptively.

I will continue to state it until she gets a rework/revamp but eris is weak to backshots.

She has the turning radius of a semi truck while shooting. You can always counter rotate while she is shooting and never get hit. Even better with freeze debuff to slow her movement down even more.

She has pretty clear tells of when she is about to shoot by bringing up the gun/tucking in the wings to dash. Dash behind her.

Try to trap her against the map borders to the ocean since you can waste her dash by going into the wall and keeping your DPS up.

All else fails hug the pillars like its your mom. You can hit around it with every non projectile weapon while she cannot break the pillar unless she does the sniper shot, and when she does that run away and try to dodge the hit. Hell eat the damage for all i care its like 30 damage vs keeping an indestructible pillar

[sly scarab]

Yeahh

[sly plaza]

This as well

Saving the pillars by just baiting out her Hestia shots makes it so much easier

[hasty trellis]

Question, do Poseidon splash effects have a internal cooldown like lightning bolts did in Hades 1? I'm trying a melinoe torch Poseidon run and I just don't see enough blue numbers

[sly scarab]

That’s actually good advice there. Stay behind her seems good.

[compact nest]

they never did during the momus patch so i doubt it now.

static shock does have a cd in h2 too though iirc its like 6 hits in .75 seconds?

[hasty trellis]

The numbers just don't feel right

I'll sell it off at Tartarus midpoint and pick up aphro special and see how much it changes

[compact nest]

for what its worth its been nerfed circa the momus era so its likely correct, it just sucks which is why posiedon kinda sucks rn

[sly scarab]

Also is there a pretty defined meta for arcana? Like is there an arcana that I should 100% be running (other than death defiances)

[lusty heron]

dd isnt 100 % new strength is also nice

[compact nest]

yeah DD isn't 100% anymore if anything its probably 0% since strength is so giga strong unless you run high fear.

[lusty heron]

or wanna farm bones with toula lol

[sly scarab]

Mmmm that’s valid. I am just do attached to my DD

[sly plaza]

Yeah it depends entirely on what you’re trying to accomplish. A lot of more recently popular setups forgoe the Titan and defiances but they’re still popular for a reason. Both very comfy picks

[sly scarab]

any sneakily powerful cards?

[sly plaza]

like RN I’m trying to just learn how to use the cloak properly. I don’t see myself not using DD for a whole

[lusty heron]

strength

[compact nest]

Generally speaking cards i would have on 100% of the time for 0 fear would be :

Titan/The one above titan that gives healing/Origination/30% damage in cast to the left of titan and Strength or Death defiances.

Everything else is negotiable and preference

[sly scarab]

Thanks! I was used doing higher heats (got up to 16 or so), but the removal of the slow down arcana and the new floor is throwing me for a loop

[lusty heron]

the beauty of early access

[compact nest]

the funny thing is, mathematically strength is better than 2 death defiances so if you would ever use equal or less than 2 , its just better due to the healing you would get over time with the DR

[spare kite]

Furies is 30% btw

[compact nest]

oops you right

[sly plaza]

You can always equip the silver wheel for the old slowdown effect

[ionic kelp]

I imagine Strength would paire really well with White Antler

[sly plaza]

It’s definitely weird not having it though

[sly scarab]

Well yeah, but keepsakes good

[lusty heron]

and that doesnt include how it also basically " doubles" your healing from outside + the extra damage

[compact nest]

not really. 30HP doubled is only 60 effective health and that isn't much at all. In that case the 3 dds are much better cause it wipes projectiles and gives you iframes.

[sly plaza]

For sure. It’s more of a safety net atm. I normally run strength

[sly plaza]

Now you’re cooking

[compact nest]

burning the kitchen, but sure

[sly plaza]

Stacking all the damage buffs 🫶

Safety be damned. Can’t die if everyone is already dead

[lusty heron]

"new" white antler sets your health to 30

[sly plaza]

Darn

RIP the dream 😭

[lusty heron]

i mean its great
cant brick your account anymore

[sly plaza]

Wait no you’re right

The dream lives

[glacial hamlet]

is axe attack feasible on vow of frenzy? feels like only dash attack is fast enough to avoid getting hit most of the time (besides spawn camping)

[magic moss]

yes

[compact nest]

Yes easily, even mel axe not than is fine.

[bleak night]

I like the challenge yeah

[glacial hamlet]

do you use the final move in the combo too? Or just the first couple faster attacks

[bleak night]

I do sometimes if the situation is good. I have gameplay vids if you wanna watch me play

[sly plaza]

Btw Mynt

Thoughts on the new axe special?

[glacial hamlet]

sure, why not. Maybe I just need some more practice lol

[bleak night]

I think it's usable, just needs maybe a tiny damage boost or better frames for start and end so it flows better. As is, it's kinda underwhelming

[bleak night]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0nmjhcIE0Xw here's my recent Mel Axe run

[sly plaza]

Yeah like I’m personally not too sure what to make of it

It’s kinda just there

[bleak night]

I make use of it a lot in my gameplay, but it falls off quickly later on because the scaling is a lil poor

[worthy epoch]

basically just good at burning rebuke early

or whatever its called now

[low bear]

so is there a trick to the dragon miniboss or does it really just have a stupid crapton of HP?

[magic moss]

11.5k armor iirc, gl hf :D

[low bear]

so it's just way overtuned rn? LOL

[magic moss]

:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD why do u think i stopped doing surface

[low bear]

the olympus enemies are damn crazy

Heph wasn't messing around making those automatons lmao

[low bear]

high fear surface feels like Circe RNG hopium

[magic moss]

:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

surface rn is just overtuned to hell and back, the difficulty isnt even from challenging enemies its just numbers

that and bs mechanics that uber punish close range/melee aspects

[low bear]

yeah they do crazy damage in an instant

also fangs invul and the orbs I hate so much

[magic moss]

like oh you made 1 mistake against eris when she did her shotgun move? sorry heres 80 damage in half a second

[light spear]

does anyone have any good arcana builds? i cant really wrap my head around it

[low bear]

I should have gotten melting hammer ripbozo /s

Aetos is also kinda bs

[ionic kelp]

Sounds like Eris is causing a lot of Strife around here

[edgy anchor]

if i wanna do a primarily omega special axe build, which boon would be best?

[magic moss]

charon with lucid gain

[meager bramble]

Who's the best familiar now? Is it still good frog boi?

I have been enjoying Raki on Thanatos, but I'm not sure how he really measures up

Frinos is obviously the call for Strength runs - but is he also just the best general-purpose option overall?

[bleak night]

Frinos is def still the most used ye

I like Hecuba for maybe a third of the aspects, Raki is so your runs feel different

I enjoy statstick HP or MP more

[meager bramble]

Hecuba, really? Is the MP worth that much?

[magic moss]

hecuba singlehandedly brings like 5 aspects up a tier

[meager bramble]

Interesting! Which ones?

[magic moss]

pan, mel torches, eos, persephone, selene, nyx, prob moros as well

[bleak night]

Unsure on Nyx, but I can see it

[meager bramble]

That's cool to know! I'll have to give the sweet little doggo more of a chance

Would I be correct to assume that the stun is basically negligible, or am I undervaluing that too?

[bleak night]

Think of it as just "Ah, she stunned them. Neat."

The main use is walking over and picking up the mana bubble she digs up

[wind kettle]

what do we think will i survive chronos? https://i.imgur.com/m0y0t0z.png

[magic moss]

yes

[bleak night]

Strength run

[wind kettle]

best run

[bleak night]

Also Mental Block, very nice

[spare kite]

Just gonna say gg rn lmao

[wind kettle]

ive gotten in the habit of getting athena keepsake in the second biome

[bleak night]

Athena keepsake is buggy with rank 4 iirc

[wind kettle]

for me currently the hardest thing is surviving first biome with strength

[bleak night]

The boons are common rather than heroic, which is rly weird

[wind kettle]

tried a 45fear run and thought i needed more pracctice

[magic moss]

I now have a record of 100 50+ clears for the new Oympic Update. We have 16 clears at 51+ fear, with 4 55F clears (Athena is not broken at all mhm)

[spare kite]

Next patch is gonna make stubborn defiance have a 20% of actually working

[wind kettle]

https://i.imgur.com/5qduqOR.png

im a bit rusty but still got it

did anyone do a 55f run?

[magic moss]

4 times yes

[bleak night]

[past salmon]

Stun has definitely saved my ass a few times but it's definitely not the main draw

[wind kettle]

this the 2nd time i forgot to pet the dog in mourning fields

[bleak night]

O damn

[low bear]

so is Hecuba's main draw not needing a gain right away?

[low bear]

can I pet that dawg

[magic moss]

yes but also for the early game for aspects like pan and mel torches

[low bear]

yeah they definitely feel terribad in early game because they need so much set up

if only the Unseen wasn't so bad

it should be buffed to 2-3 grasp imo

[half sigil]

How do you guys build for xinth? Haven’t played this weapon at all yet

[low bear]

just like 90% of builds: Sworn Strike

but really it's pretty much Hera attack, Zeus spec, your choice of cast (dem preferably) and Heph if you need the defense particularly on high fear

you throw in Selene Keepsake as starter if you're doing Aspect of Selene

[edgy anchor]

charon boons?

[half sigil]

That’s exactly what I was planning lol thank you

And do you actually use the omega moves? They look kinda lacking. And I suppose the special you can use here and there between attacks? In a vacuum it doesn’t look very strong

[magic moss]

lucid gain + whatever it really doesnt matter

just make sure you have the night arcana active

[uncut walrus]

how much crit does raki give when maxed?

[low bear]

yes you do the specials are pretty easy to use and you can weave in some omega attacks here and there, you could also drop an omega cast while things are spawning

also try to get boons that increase mana consumption (Blood Line from Hera, Weed Killer Dem, Controlled Burn Hestia, etc.) so you can fill up your hex faster

[half sigil]

What if you don't use selene

[lime eagle]

4%

[half sigil]

i only maxed out mel so far

[uncut walrus]

ic, thank you

[low bear]

non Selene is kinda normal attack, special spam. Your choice of %atk (Hera) and Zeus is quite good on spec

[half sigil]

alright i'll try that, thank you

[low bear]

also if you press the attack and special at the same time you can have the missiles fire off as your punching, I don't know the exact timing but this was a game changer for me

[half sigil]

also the blocks feel kinda ass, it doesn't block almost anything

oh interesting

[low bear]

I've never been good at blocking so I can't really comment

[half sigil]

i mean it's not a timing thing, it just doesn't block many things that are blcoked by artemis or previously moon axe it seems like

[low bear]

it doesn't feel as good as axe block

[low bear]

I think it should block the same stuff as Axe, but yeah Artemis is more like a barrier than a block

[uncut walrus]

generally it wont block anything that looks like its expanding outwards from a certain point on the ground

and some stuff that falls from above you

[half sigil]

yea i just tried to block cyclops ground waves

[uncut walrus]

yeah artemis block is more like an invulnerability more than anything atp, it can eat anything

[half sigil]

that's why i love it lol

[edgy anchor]

does static shock apply to your attacks while using the impervious hex?

[wind kettle]

how does the Xinth special + attack at the same time work?

[low bear]

I kinda just mash both at the same time, I don't know what the exact timing is

[gray garnet]

Anyone got any good Melinoë axe builds? (boons I mean)

[rugged moon]

Hera attack

Dem cast

[gray garnet]

Oh Alr thanks

[empty spear]

how i win with skull or black coat pls help urgent

[magic moss]

hera attack dem cast :)

[empty spear]

oh does it just apply to everything

i will try that 👍 ty

[tall notch]

Auto fire and hold down special while doing the attack combo works

[low bear]

hera is just so good lol

[half sigil]

Is xinth good? Felt pretty underwhelming in my games tonight. Maybe I just suck at it

Mostly for boss dmg

[tall notch]

You likely got unlucky or built it wrong. Coat feels really powerful rn

[past salmon]

have u done selene yet cold

[half sigil]

Hmm ok. I had Hera attack Zeus special and arcting ring. Maybe my hammer sucked

[magic moss]

according to sheet no

[low bear]

Wow Artemis's damage can be pretty disgusting huh

Skulking + Wicked MELTS the bosses, I didn't even have explosive

[brisk tree]

selene aspect for the cloak feels strong

[low bear]

It's pretty good

[brisk tree]

the high tier perk that gives you one beam on omega is nice

who cares if the actual ability costs more if you're shooting out freebie damage multipliers

[low bear]

Ah ehh I'd say that's the bad one and nog worth +30

The one with 3 beams is much better

[brisk tree]

i'll have to try that one more.

[wheat lava]

what's the bestbuild for mel flames

[bleak night]

Which aspect

[wheat lava]

mel

[rugged moon]

Mynt doesnt know how to read 😛

most people just basicly ignore the aspect function.

[bleak night]

Whoopsie

[rugged moon]

its basicly just the same as everything else of hera attack/dem cast

[bleak night]

Hera Attack and Hera MP regen with Blitz or Dem on Special are really nice

If you go Blitz on Special, go Dem on Cast

[pseudo girder]

is witch staff aspect of mel any good?

[inland thunder]

Does Strength work if you have no Death Defiance to begin with or do you need to have Death Defiance to start with and then use them all up for Strength to work?

[bleak night]

works if you have none period. Doesn't matter if you just have no Eternity or you ran out

[inland thunder]

noted, thanks!

[willow phoenix]

It can be funny with sorceress, super fast channel speed. You can spam omega super fast.

Although the omega damage of staff is pretty pitiful.

If you have enough magick regen, add some weed killer, blood line, and apollo legendary it can get pretty insane.

[pseudo girder]

this is good info. thanks. I main Hera too actually, I love her cast and mp regen

do you know what's a good attack and special boon?

[willow phoenix]

Apollo can be nice as it increases the size of the omega. Hera is always nice. Demeter helps a lot with freeze. Aphrodite can work too but you'd need to be close to the enemy

[pseudo girder]

THANK YOU

[low bear]

Is the Eos mini me considered attack or omega attack?

[past salmon]

O-Attack

[low bear]

I remember it used to be attack

O nice they changed it?

[past salmon]

uhh idk I'm like 90% sure its O-Attack
it crits with death so

[low bear]

Ah makes sense, also wtf why don't have death on with this lmao I keep forgetting that arcana exists

[past salmon]

Death is rlly good on Eos yeh

I think I would only use Death on Selene/Eos tho
maybe Momus?

[low bear]

Moros?

Wow I just got cursed by stunning skulls with rotating balls, I got rekt lmao

Loool I finally got fig leaf cursed 0 procs in Tartarus

[past salmon]

it doesnt work on your O-Attacks so no point

[bleak gale]

Does the bouncing Special for the Staff counts as another hit for Aspect of Circe's 12-hit threshold?

[low bear]

Ah I see that's weird

[low bear]

I don't know but bless you if you're actually using Circe for its Aspect lol

[bleak gale]

Momus does get boring after a while

[low bear]

true

I wish we had a staff aspect geared towards Omega Specials

the moonburst hammers look fun but I think they should be worked into an aspect instead

[silent crow]

mel staff kinda

[low bear]

ehh but the hammers are too situational and the pay off is meh

and if I was building towards omega spesh then I'd do Momus instead

[silent crow]

the payoff is pretty good but you rly need that double damage hammer

dash attack - fast channel ospecial is a fun rotation for mel staff

[low bear]

well by the time you get your second hammer the run is almost over

[silent crow]

u only need dual moonburst

[low bear]

so I think the moon burts should be turned into an aspect instead

yeah but on it's own it's pretty meh esp. compared to just running an attack build

[silent crow]

its fun at least

[silent crow]

rework circe again

[low bear]

yeah Circe is preetty bad right now imo

[silent crow]

its just slow and boring

[low bear]

it takes too long to get serenity and when you get it it's not even better than Momus's base effect lol

[silent crow]

also serenity is just an additive dmg buff like cmon there are way cooler things that could happen

[low bear]

I think Serenity should remove charge time altogether and maybe have a separate button to activate it like a "berserker" state

also a flick knives for Staff would be cool

[pseudo sequoia]

the word "berserker" made me think of the berserker's pauldron from ror2 which honestly wouldn't be too bad of an inspiration source, it ups attack speed for a while after a few kills, which i think circe could probably benefit from having on top of the omega damage

[low bear]

oh yeah that would be cool though would be a problem for bosses, so I think activating via hits is fine

[grizzled igloo]

I'mma be honest, Twilight Curse having an upgrade that deals damage to boses is really funny

[pseudo sequoia]

oh yea i would definitely keep it to activating via hits lol

[low bear]

yeah it's cute lol

[grizzled igloo]

was spamming it with Black Coat Nyx and it clears rooms and does tons of damage to guardian fights

That being said I might just be bad but brawling with the Black Coat feels super tough against Eris and Prometheus

actually melee in general just feels super tough on the Surface to be honest

[slate trench]

It's very very good if you run a geyser spout omega cast build. Poseidon on cast, geyser spout, demeter cyclone cast for origination, and Apollo gain. Then just look for anything that boosts cast damage/omega damage/omega speed and just watch everything explode. You can easily be hitting for 2k+ between the initial burst and explosion and it's very quick casting if you get a buff on top of sorceress and mel aspect

[willow phoenix]

Oh this looks fun

[glad nova]

Can crystal figurine activate judgment?

[willow phoenix]

Yes

[fervent narwhal]

what do i even do when playing skulls? after going through all weapons and trying to get 32f beaten on both UW and surface ive realized that staff isnt as bad as i used to believe but i really really dislike using skulls, i just feel so slow and clunky unless i get a very strong hammer.. maybe ill just learn aspect of medea

[low bear]

They have very different playstyles and don't really feel hammer dependent at all

Persephone is the safest probs, just run Zeus cast and your choice of % boons on atk and spec (hera)

my usual loop is drop cast -> unload all skulls -> use omega special to go in and pick up skills

Lightning Lance or Hestia's ranged cast are great too

[fervent narwhal]

ye that might just be the most fun build for me, its not that they are bad or anything i just get very bored when playing them ive realized lol

[low bear]

I find skulls to be pretty engaging personally since I use my entire arsenal instead of sticking to one part

[fervent narwhal]

i didnt like the gun in hades 1 either, im more of a melee person wich is why i also only like moros torches compared to the others

i assume after getting zeus cast i just go for apollo-zeus duo boon then? done that before and its pretty fun

[willow kraken]

medea is fun for activating things that need 2 curses but I always end up suiciding myself because I'm focusing on the combo instead of dodging

[fervent narwhal]

wanted to get 32f completed on all weapons on both surface and UW.. did UW on the first try with everything but im really struggling with surface so gonna wait until it releases fully and gets balanced, they might reset the completion times for surface again anyways since they did that this patch when it got extended

[pseudo sequoia]

nah id argue possessed array is pretty essential for most mel/medea skull builds

omega attacks with no charging is a huge dps buff

[fervent narwhal]

but now i barely get to prom on 32f and to have another region after that is weird thinking about, it kinda has to be easier in some way.. would be weird if 32f on the surface is a lot harder.. sure its supposed to be harder than UW but the difficulty spike shouldnt be to high

[slate trench]

Only tried skulls up to 24f since the release but persephone still seems real op and safe. Tbh i barely even use the skull attacks once I get boons, just omega cast -> omega special over and over. If you run geyser spout you can charge the omega special almost instantly and then you are invulnerable the whole time in special animation and it does massive damage (aphro on special)

[bleak gale]

Do you even Omegas with Thanatos, surface mfs are fast as hell

[spare kite]

I just like the +30% speed

[bleak gale]

What about Melinoe axe for Attack based build? The slow outweighs the power bonus?

[spare kite]

For mel you want dashing heave

[bleak gale]

Figures, I've been actually relying on dash strike instead of dishing out the full combo

[vital ledge]

I think I've never played mel daggers and kept spamming the special as my build was complete nonsense. It worked for some reason, the hook knife buff made it "work" at least (not good)

next goal: actually pressing X while having an axe in hand that isn't charon 😂

[stuck ether]

I disagree
Its very good yes but ive finished multiple medea runs with bad hammers and it still did v well

[compact nest]

yeah i would say medea baseline is incredibly strong, that hammer is not needed at all

Especially post buff where they gave it more damage on both attack/special, easier loading and indicators for when it expires

[pseudo sequoia]

fair enough, i've found it far more powerful than not but tbf i've not played post patch medea much lol

[loud moat]

Has anyone been playing around with the new Hera/Hestia duo? Does damage whenever you regen magic.

Played it a bit with Unseen arcana and Warmth again last night. Was deleting things, but hard to get a sense of how much damage it was contributing.

[willow phoenix]

It's okayish, like I can see the damage but never made it to the damage scoreboards

[loud moat]

I also had mirrored thrasher but with Warmth gain, I pretty much couldn’t lose Magic.

Ended up with a fully upgraded Wolf Howl Hex too and just hopped around the field.

[loud moat]

Can you scroll down the scoreboard at all? I was curious but didn’t see it show up after beating the Surface boss

[glossy rivet]

ayo
breaker sprint.... good???

[willow phoenix]

Maybe a build that exhausts so much magick can get more out of it. The bigger your magick gain the bigger the aoe

So something like fixed gain can be interesting

[split igloo]

It's no Splash Dash but it's alright.

[loud moat]

So is that how the damage scales? 500% off of the magical regen?

So ionic gain if you have 0/100 magic would blast an AoE for 5000 damage?

[willow phoenix]

I think the damage is the same? But aoe can get bigger the more you regen

[split igloo]

500% is 5x.

[cursive oyster]

500 actually

[loud moat]

Boy I’m dumb

[split igloo]

Math is hard.

[willow phoenix]

Yea 500 sounds about right, but you need to regen all of them

Not just regen 10 magic with ionic

[loud moat]

So with my Heroic Warmth gain at 10, I was doing 50 extra damage every time I used my staff attack

[cursive oyster]

no because you were only spending 5, thus you could only regenerate 5 making it 25 damage per attack

[loud moat]

If I had magic to regen of course

[cursive oyster]

oh i stupid

[loud moat]

In a scenario where I had magic enough to regen

[cursive oyster]

my brain hears “warmth gain” and immediately assumes you had mirrored thrasher

[loud moat]

But with mirrored thrasher, I was always spending 5 magic by default.

[cursive oyster]

LMAO

[loud moat]

I did. It was the most busted run ever. Hera Attack and Strength got extra damage

Best buff they could have given it. I like not relying on DD’s

[cursive oyster]

strength is my favorite arcana

[loud moat]

Same! With the right boons you can really stack up the damage resistance. Add dodge chance and/or weak from Aphrodite and you can tank some insane hits.

[cursive oyster]

accidentally almost did a 50 fear with it but got instakilled during chronos due to tempus mechanics

[loud moat]

It’s always felt like DD’s are required because there’s never been an alternative to NOT using them. Just 4 grasp you HAVE to commit to.

[loud moat]

The hourglass things? Did you get caught in a time bubble

[willow phoenix]

Brave face + fixed again for some insane damage resistance

[loud moat]

Haha I think I had brace face on the run as well

[willow phoenix]

I think you can tank even chronos insta kill with enough damage resistance

[loud moat]

Seriously strength damage resistance runs are my go to now. So much potential.

With the new Hestia boon, you can probably get your Dodge chance up to at least 50%. Combined with wispy Wiles and Hermes

[iron grail]

small question about equilibrium : I have played for like 30h now and have beaten Chronos 3 times. Every time I managed to do it, I was playing a Zeus cast. It is not even a build, just Zeus cast with poms. I can't manage to beat Chronos with anything else up to now. I have not unlocked any aspect yet and did not go far on the surface (I just unlocked the incantation to breath there). Is it Zeus cast that is simply OP ? Or is it simply that I still have to progress with the weapons themselves and they are later more powerful ?

[loud moat]

It’s not overpowered necessarily. What makes it good as that. You can just drop it in it Auto damages things for you. It’s not a bad thing. It just means that you’re relying on that for the majority of your damage, and or mobs.

[compact nest]

Zeus cast is incredibly powerful when upgraded yes, its basically pure damage.

[loud moat]

The weapons will come with time. You want to use your cast as an area of control tool. All of the casts lock most enemies in place. Use that time to smack them.

[cursive oyster]

yep

[willow phoenix]

Yes storm ring owns

[compact nest]

Theres a video of someone getting zues hera duo + pompompom and zeus cast dealing like 100 damage/.25 seconds or or something

[iron grail]

• its too easy to spam damage without taking damage

[willow phoenix]

May I introduce you to zeus sprint + spirit surge build

[loud moat]

You end up putting a wall for the fact that it’s only single target sort of restricted it. Even with double strike.

That’s where Arctic ring comes in! Freeze AoE is bonkers

[compact nest]

#h2-victory-boasting message

Found it

[loud moat]

I’m using speech to text if things don’t make sense

[loud moat]

“Double strike but better”

Then add double strike and you’re popping off

[split igloo]

Is Double Strike and Spirit Surge together like H1 Double Strike and Splitting Bolt?

[compact nest]

Spirit surge wouldn't work with double strike since it doesn't use mana and only procs once.

Its why its completely useless except with zeus sprint

[iron grail]

but with zeus sprint you have to get close to Chronos and can take lots of damage

you can just spam your cast from afar with zeus cast

[compact nest]

a single bolt of lightning every time you omega cast is worthless.

Reminder that spirit surge only works when you spend mana. Aka each mana expenditure is 1 bolt. 1 cast = 1 bolt

[hexed frost]

Is Hades 2 like 1 where you can only spawn a particular unique ammont on god boons. Like once you get 5 you can't get any others

[compact nest]

Yes, 4 core gods only. Can force more with keepsakes after you reach the limit though

[hexed frost]

Except apollo and hermes I think

[compact nest]

Apollo is a core god

Artemis/Hermes/Athena/Dio are not core gods

[iron grail]

i don't need spirit surge, just zeus cast alone

[hexed frost]

Ah ok

[loud moat]

Im pretty sure double strike has a chance of causing Spirit Durge to proc 2 times. Or if you want to get technical it procs once per magic expenditure and has the chance to be doubled

[willow phoenix]

You can go for hail storm for more safety, demeter x zeus duo

[loud moat]

Outside of a boon (Thunder sprint) or weapon (Omega attack torches) it is pretty useless though

[willow phoenix]

Hail storm + storm ring for more lightning

[loud moat]

Mirrored thrasher is also acceptable with Spirit Surge

[compact nest]

I mean yeah sure it can double with double strike, but my point is that the boon sucks because as long as its a single lightning strike basekit it sucks cause the damage is low. If it was like 500 damage or something then Wokege, but baseline its like 30 which.... ok?

[loud moat]

It’s in the same boat as Bloodlines from Hera. It’s usefulness is restrained by the rate of fire (omega moves are slow to charge/spending magic is slow).

Get a boon, weapon or aspect that let’s you Omega/spend magic fast and suddenly you have your Win Condition

In 80% of cases it does suck, but in the 20% it works, it’s suddenly amazing.

Double strike is more for the benefit of Thunder Sprint/Ring anyhow. I think it also works with Hail Storm.

Does double strike affect Blitz procing I wonder?

[final light]

anyone got a good 32 fear setup for surface? armor/arcana/trinket/vows anything helps thanks

[rugged moon]

Prefered weapon?

[glossy rivet]

👏 bring 👏 back 👏 jolted 👏

[spare kite]

Agree but blitz is still great

They need to save pos and re add rupture first

[willow phoenix]

Zeus is great in both games

[willow phoenix]

Slip is so boring, like really just +% damage taken

[spare kite]

I wish pos had a curse

[rugged moon]

It would help if Slip just… was a base part if anything pos knockback

It being a tier 2 boon is absurd

[willow phoenix]

Slip needs to live up to its name, make the enemy slip and miss

Or just change it to drown or something

[spare kite]

You should be able to push them like pinballs

[rugged moon]

I mean i feel like if slip was just like a 10% curse that was on all pos core, then just have a tier 2 to make more effective it could be fine

[spare kite]

Add wall/enemy slam stuff again

[final light]

anything except staff and maybe axe

[compact nest]

Slip being a potential stun could be neat

[hexed frost]

Want to try skulls how should I build

[compact nest]

Pick medea. Take aphro. Win. Optionally zeus attack over aphro attack

[steel sequoia]

imo slip should add the knockback of main boons

[onyx trench]

I’m trying to get back to loving staff but it doesn’t put out the same damage as some of the other stuff

[hexed frost]

Medea on what? Or is that the omega attack god

[compact nest]

Medea is the skull aspect

[hexed frost]

Oh. 😂

[willow phoenix]

Just pick hera when in doubt

[hexed frost]

Mb

[onyx trench]

name checks out

[hexed frost]

Hera probably sick of me at this point

[spare kite]

Too bad for her, another night means another time for hera

[onyx trench]

Hera hate to see me coming with her keepsake

[final light]

can i vouch for hephaestus here? getting a blast effect then leveling it up until 2/3 sec cooldown is funny at the very least]

plus all of his boons rock

[spare kite]

His offensive is best if you aren't spamming the move often

[steel sequoia]

heph is pretty fun, but its not so offensive

[spare kite]

Like mel/arty blades and put him on special

[summer seal]

Hera on special, yeah?

[steel sequoia]

i disagree, you can make it work with duos and do pretty fast with caldera and vent

but takes an effort to do that

[spare kite]

Zeus special ideally

[compact nest]

For medea i used aphro special + zeus/aphro/hera attack

[spare kite]

Vent makes me mad with how it works vs less cooldown

[hexed frost]

Medea skulls feels so clunky

[stable lichen]

they feel like temu beowulf

[onyx trench]

Every time I do Heph I have to get the arcana that guarantees rare and epic boons, otherwise it’s so hard to keep outputting damage

[compact nest]

how dare

Beowulf was trash and medea is peak

[stable lichen]

beowulf is absolutely overpowered

[onyx trench]

hard disagree. Medea with proper timing puts out damage like crazy

[stable lichen]

actually theyre not bad but comparing it to beowulf they look bad

because beowulf was just so op

[tall notch]

Comparing to beowulf most weapons look bad

[hexed frost]

What hammers for skulls? I just took the one that increased attack radius and damaged think

[tall notch]

Medea is fine imo, definitely not my playstyle but it's interesting and it's a niche that will appeal to some players

[stable lichen]

yeah

"temu beowulf" is still a very decent weapon sorry if i offended anyone lol

[onyx trench]

as a beowulf enjoyer, beowulf was NOT overpowered. it is notoriously unsafe for 32 heat

[spare kite]

Why you lying

[stable lichen]

i think beowulf is kinda hard to get going but if you get it going you just absolutely destroy everything

although honestly all you need is mirage shot

[spare kite]

That thing only falls off at like 51+ and even then is better than other aspects that also fall off at that range

[tall notch]

1. click poseidon
2. click artemis
3. get extra casts
4. get the duo
5. profit

[spare kite]

Almost anything that gets compared to a shield with a double dmg bug is gonna be kinda sad

[stable lichen]

thats the most consistent one but trippy shot beowulf was just on another level

[onyx trench]

…wait. hold up. I got Beowulf and Enkidu mixed up

[spare kite]

Talk about a comparison lmfao

[onyx trench]

my fault OG

[spare kite]

Beo and gilga are the img of "bomb vs coughing baby"

[tall notch]

Tbh I am so trash at h1, I couldn't get 40 heat with either sword or spear 😭

[onyx trench]

or Gilgamesh, I forget which one was the aspect. yeah no Beowulf was crazy good, temu beowulf is a great comparison

[spare kite]

Unmodded either are kinda stinky tbf

Modded too but slightly less

[stable lichen]

lmfao

[stable lichen]

my 40 with spear was literally just "achilles, restart until you get a chaos gate for 2 stygian soul casts, get hunting blades, profit"

[spare kite]

Stygian hunting blades

[tall notch]

I could never get the right rng for hunting blades spear and with sword I just can't avoid damage 😭

I'm slow. H1 is crazy fast paced compared to h2

[spare kite]

Play guan yu and reset for charged skewer instead

[stable lichen]

idk i just like playing with stygian most of the time

unless it's hera/beowulf/poseidon

[hexed frost]

Ok so is the play for Medea skulls just mainnly omega specials. Cause that's what it looks like

[stable lichen]

lmfao fair thats what i did for 32 guan yu

[spare kite]

Normal special

Load 1 attack > special > repeat

[hexed frost]

Ah. Hit and run. Thanks

[spare kite]

Only load more than 1 while enemies are spawning or if you know you can kill them

[onyx trench]

I haven’t actually pushed past 32 heat, my goal was 32 on all aspects and I almost got them all! The only ones I’m missing are Talos and Gilgamesh on the fists, Zagreus sword, Nemesis sword because I keep going last hit versus Dad, and base Zag spear

[stable lichen]

the easy way out for the fists and swords is just ME imo

[spare kite]

Also try to avoid to special directly into their faces, special them from the side of behind

[stable lichen]

although for nem sword my favourite build was aphro attack arty special for heart rend and divine dash, and either zeus or dio call

[spare kite]

Dem cast very safe as always

[onyx trench]

that requires you to be lucky enough to get ME

[stable lichen]

very fair

[spare kite]

I did aphro atk smair for my nem 32 iirc

[onyx trench]

i lost to dad second phase using this exact build more than a dozen times

[stable lichen]

oof

[spare kite]

My first sword 32 was pos phalanx shog + smair tho

[tame cloud]

Is the witch's staff or it's aspects any good, and if so - what build?

[stable lichen]

i think snake staff is good

[tame cloud]

Gimme a build I'll write it down

[spare kite]

Staff atk hammers are really good but they ignore your aspect

[stable lichen]

i havent really been using staff much though

im mostly just doing than scythe and arty blades

[onyx trench]

big Staff fan, I would say base Staff is best, or Moros maybe

[spare kite]

Momus is the strongest staff if you actually wanna omega

[tame cloud]

hmmm, whats your thanatos build?

[tame cloud]

Moros is on umbral flames i thought?

[spare kite]

Moros is torches

[stable lichen]

my 20 surface clear was just "step 1: aphro attack, step 2: pray for good hammers"

[spare kite]

Most sane moros fan gets his aspect wrong smh

[tame cloud]

Im writing a text file with all the fun builds I find here lmao

[onyx trench]

okay in my defense Momus and Moros are VERY similar

[tall notch]

Hera attack
That's the build

[stable lichen]

the discovery that you can dash and then spin made the axe a lot more useable

[tame cloud]

Personally I like Apollo on the attack

[stable lichen]

i stick with aphro for big numbers

[onyx trench]

Oh so I just play it like Arthur. neat