h2-builds-and-combat

[soft raven]

how does the staff long distance hammer work?

[surreal hazel]

The artificer tuena a minir into a major reward, natural selection removes cash, mana tonics and centaur hearts from the major reward pool

[fervent dagger]

what is ohm?

[steel sequoia]

[surreal hazel]

Exceptional talent makes possessed array explode twice, but at no increase in cost. Oops?

[past salmon]

Yeh
Nothing increases the cost of possessed array

Bloodline/Weedkiller is the same

[wise idol]

yeah it seems intended

ive always read it as "does your omega attack for 10 magick" as in it activates the omega for 10, completely seperate from the cost of your actual omega attack

[surreal hazel]

But it's the full omega with all the trimmings, which is the odd bit

Not even Talent affects it?

[past salmon]

I'm pretty sure I tested this and it doesn't but I'm not certain

[surreal hazel]

Talent seems to be pretty universal though

like affecting mana costs from other not-omegas

Hrm, that's weird

ah no wait, there it is

Exceptional Talent doesn't affect Possessed array because it's only trying to add +20 cost to Omega attack and specials only

but Chaos Talent doesn't care, it should affect everything, but at the same time, the mana cost of possessed array doesn't even call the function to show the mana cost UI element so...

wait yeah, the function added by Possessed array literally just goes: "Has the player got 10 or more mana? If so, subtract 10 and fire off an omega attack centered on the player"

[past salmon]

Yeh
It seems intended for the cost never to be modified

[surreal hazel]

and since it's being told to fire an omega attack, it's skipped past the function to do a regular mana cost check (which adds the modifiers), but it's still a full blown omega attack with all of the extra checks

it does deliberately also check for Born Gain, and that's about the only extra thing it factors in

Born gain seems to work by just having checks that let you bypass needing at least as much mana as you require, and then seems to have a separate function that triggers the full recharge if you're ever in negative mana

well, it also checks if your current max mana would be enough if it were full

[trail rampart]

Can someone help me understand Hera’s rousing reception boon? Do you need a cast AS the enemies are spawning? Is it timer-based?

[cursive oyster]

as long as the cast is on the ground new enemies that spawn will be damaged

[trail rampart]

So spawning consists of a summoning circle before the enemy is active on the field — there needs to be an active cast at enemy spawn completion, you think? Or an active cast at any point in the spawning process? The former is a little bit more challenging than the other

[vale gate]

not really since you pretty much always have a cast down

whats 50f meta now origination or boatman

[worthy epoch]

i think boatman is usually better i run orig and it still works great though

actually i lied neither just run abandon

[vale gate]

[worthy epoch]

live your truth

[vale gate]

nvm i was reminded of why i quit this game

bye

[worthy epoch]

what haaaaappeneeed

[vale gate]

idk just overall not a fan of the gameplay and enemies

and i suck at chronos

[worthy epoch]

im also garbage at chronos and cerb so i feel you

need axe block to carry

[surreal hazel]

Basically if the cast is present the moment any enemy can first be damaged, it will damage them

[small wyvern]

not a victory so its not going there but i started a new game and i got a very good run on my second night
died to cerby

but i got his health down a good chunk

[rustic egret]

THAT'S AWESOME THO WOOO

[soft raven]

Man you went far

[small wyvern]

ya the cast was nuts

throw it, run away, rinse repeat

and i was so scared too

[soft raven]

Also
What is considered far away and close in the game?
Got a staff boom that dealt extra damage far away, but did not get what that meant in game.
While I got a skull boom that did close damage, and the only way I found to proc was to shoot them right on my face

[sweet girder]

The staff upgrade needs to be almost at the farthest reach of it's attack. Idk about the skulls though, I don't play those.

[tranquil furnace]

Idk how people are so good with Medea Skull. 50 fear feels impossible once enemies start getting armor and aren’t staggered as easily.

Especially in a room full of spinners/hippos in Erebus, or the damn water snakes in Oceanus.

[worthy epoch]

Medea is really good at breaking both rebuke and armor by stacking skulls in dashes, and does a ton of damage. Once you kind of figure out how to not get hit by enemies while you are attacking it’s actually probably one of the easier weapons imo

[tranquil furnace]

Yeah I definitely feel a lack of experience plays a big part, since it's a pretty unique aspect. The lack of a range option is interesting. I've been trying to get a ranged cast just to be able to approach more safely

[magic moss]

sorry on the delay yall, sheet has been updated

[worthy epoch]

You got this!

[onyx ibex]

I've tried medea but can't get over the high of getting the 5 skull and skulls explode on pickup hammers + buffed omega attack damage run I had with melinoe skulls

that was just sooooo nice

[surreal hazel]

The trick with Medea is also knowing that you don't need to unload every skull into every special

often it's just better to just load in one, and the trick is knowing how much enemies can withstand beforehand

[outer ginkgo]

going for a sister blades build this run, should i go poseidon first or aphrodite? because with poseidon i could get fluid gain along with his attack that's good on sb

[surreal hazel]

Depends on which blades

[worthy epoch]

for sure, just for armored enemies i was stacking 2-3 in on 50f

[heady flame]

how do i not get cooked by double speed cerby

[cursive oyster]

idk just practice on fury 2 and you’ll get used to it

[heady flame]

is fury forced overtime

[cursive oyster]

yeag

sorry there’s not too much else to it

[heady flame]

yeah well thats what im strugglign with

by practice do u just mean throw runs at the wall until it sticks

[cursive oyster]

any attacks in particular you’re struggling with?

[spare kite]

you can still do save states here if that helps you get practice in

[heady flame]

uh like the one where he hits the area around him and also the lunge and also flamethrower if im not ready for it

[heady flame]

never did savestates in h1

why is this slowmoded 😭

am i using suboptimal builds i feel like i probably am but idk how to roll for good synergies with all the stuff in the game

[spare kite]

I don't wanna see this chat on non slow mode when an update releases tbf

[cursive oyster]

flamethrower is easiest to dodge when close to him, get behind him and start doing damage while he slowly turns to you

[heady flame]

all i know is max jump + heph dash is op

[spare kite]

double slam is mostly a timing thing to dash through cerbie

[heady flame]

so if im all the way across the map i just hope and pray?

[cursive oyster]

ground slam is hard to iframe, i think just dash away

[cursive oyster]

ideally you stay close to cerb at all times

[heady flame]

i miss double dash man it was so broken

[spare kite]

what builds you usually use?

dps issue is always real after all

[heady flame]

ok but like the one where he throws a ton of meteors? wtf do i do other than stand in the corner of the map and run into the out of bounds

[cursive oyster]

the dog head aoe thingies?

[heady flame]

idk i havent been forcing for stuff just taking what i can get other than starting with zeus for mana

[spare kite]

there are always a few gaps between them or see which ones are gonna detonate first

[heady flame]

idr what they look like but theres a thing on the ground and then it comes down a few seconds later

i swear theres never gaps and my ass cannot remember the order

[cursive oyster]

when they cover the whole screen pay attention to which ones spawn first and stay close to them so you can move onto them when they explode

there are usually small gaps

[heady flame]

i would send an image of my build next time i do a run but images are blocked thanks sgg

[spare kite]

you can use embeds

[cursive oyster]

post em somewhere else and copy media link

[heady flame]

also i bleed a dd on sirens or the vampire aspho miniboss a lot of the time

[heady flame]

yeah but i dont have cyber quincy anymore so i have to like manually do that and its annoying

[sand crow]

k so uhhh

how does one charon lmao

[spare kite]

Apollo gain > whatever cast that sets up origination > giga/sudden cleaver and a good % special

If you find aphro you can go for sunny disposition too

[wise idol]

I enjoy going for bloodline/controlled burn but those are def not necessary

But yeah sunny disposition with heartthrobs are where most of the damage is imo

[sand crow]

Does Apollo cast still give the 90 damage when you special it?

[spare kite]

Pretty sure yeah

[surreal hazel]

Apollo's cast has a special condition that makes the pulse fire when you charon special it, yeah

in a way that it doesn't do if you just omega cast with Gyser Spout

Because it's forced to fire, the pulse happens after the actual cast's omega damage iirc

[sand crow]

Goootcha

Other random question: what does making the Ω Moves faster do? It doesn't seem to increase channel speed... ik that usually it refers to less lag when referring to attacks but for some reason that doesn't feel right in my brain

[surreal hazel]

Basically Gyser Spout is designed to work with a cast that frontloads all of its damage, by which I mean it's designed to work with Tidal Ring

[surreal hazel]

it does increase channeling speed

by quite a bit

basically take the function time and multiply it by (100%-X%) were X is the speed increase stated in the move

[sand crow]

O h

[surreal hazel]

multiple speed gains multiply together, so two 50% improvements make channelling take 25% of the normal time, not instant

[sand crow]

Gotcha, that makes sense

[surreal hazel]

Same with actual attack speed itself

[wise idol]

Pretty sure channel speed is bugged on Charon though

[sand crow]

thank you plasma dragon, it seems like you know a lot about how the game itself actually works

[surreal hazel]

I can read the scripts and know how to use Ctrlshift F in notepad++

[sand crow]

that's better than like 99.5% of people who play this game lol

[surreal hazel]

honestly the formatting of the scripts and their naming convention is incredibly disciplined

you really need to be to prevent spaghetti in an interacting systems game like this

[sand crow]

I'm hoping to get into game dev/compsci... maybe I should actually look at the scripts sometime lmao

[surreal hazel]

It might be a weird problem with how Axe special works

[wise idol]

Yeah I believe that’s it

[surreal hazel]

it's a special attack, and then a channeling part

so channelling speed doesn't change the blocking portion at all, special speed does

[wise idol]

I think only sudden cleaver and Hermes keepsake work

Could be

[surreal hazel]

Also it might be a bit wonky with how the blocking function works where special speed might make it harder to time the block

Hermes' keepsake is also odd

it says 20% to channeling, move sprint and weapon speed, but I think it's a multiplicative effect, or double counting

[wise idol]

Yeah it increases those by a ton

[surreal hazel]

because I know what 20% extra run speed feels like from blinding sprint and that ain't it

[wise idol]

Maybe it’s applying to movement and sprint speed separately and adding those together?

[surreal hazel]

maybe, but ignited ichor somehow manages to be terrible improve walking without improving dashing

[wise idol]

Yeah true

[spare kite]

Can't believe ichors are washed now

[surreal hazel]

used to be an easy buy

[spare kite]

They should just add RD back
What could go wrong

[surreal hazel]

RD?

[spare kite]

Rush delivery

Extra Speed = dmg

[surreal hazel]

ahhh, that one

because it was kinda bonkers good? You'll take your Tall Order and like it

[spare kite]

[heady flame]

ong

LOL WAIT SPRINTING WITH RD WOULD BE SO FUNNY

[spare kite]

I like that global dmg is more common now but all these 10-20% buffs feel so sad

[surreal hazel]

And then Golden Rule exists

Definitely beats Bad Influence

[spare kite]

Bad influence certainly exists

[surreal hazel]

3 targets afflicted with hangover to get a huge damage increase, causing one to die almost immediately, negating the bonus

greaaaat

[sand crow]

I hope that if they include peer pressure in this game it doesn't overwrite higher damage hangover with low damage

[surreal hazel]

I never did look into how Hangover stacks past the cap with multiple different damage values

[spare kite]

New stacks overwrite older ones no matter the dmg

Peer pressure was hilarious cuz of this, so bad that even a x8 dmg bug doesn't save it

[surreal hazel]

x8 damage bug?

[surreal hazel]

Ugh, that makes using drunken dash with Dio's Aid a terrible idea then

[spare kite]

If the first hangover stack is from peer pressure or smth like that you get an x8 dmg multiplier or something similar lmfao

Iirc is the same multiplier that makes enemies take more dmg from traps vs zag

[spare kite]

Yeah you only wanted one hangover source at all times

[surreal hazel]

I'll take my Lucifer booze laser then

[spare kite]

Super soaker also fun

[surreal hazel]

beats having a literal fire hose on that aspect, constantly knocking enemies out of its own range

[split igloo]

Prothean Particle Rifle Infiltrator for life.

[heady flame]

WISEMYSTICALTREE69420

🍝

[outer ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1286917282999828483/1288406681255936001/image.png?ex=66f511ba&is=66f3c03a&hm=bbf53a02c386d436aedb35f1a431f1b1b0b523185f6f7a84ecbcae2eb4c17a43& woah

good hammer, what should i take? (i already have hook knives

screw it, taking spiral knives

[split igloo]

Last time I took Spiral Knives I knew what true power was.

[wise idol]

3 best omega special hammers are hook spiral and sudden

[magic prawn]

Any1 got any tips for the sirens? I've just started and hate them

[cursive oyster]

focus on the drummer first, the other two are much more manageable without the aoe bullet hell

even when the other 2 are featured

[magic prawn]

Guitarist and drummer killed with level 6 attack scorch on the twin blade

[cursive oyster]

scorch is pretty good

[magic prawn]

And still lost

[cursive oyster]

any aoe you can get is pretty good as well

so like smolder ring, anvil ring, stuff like that

[magic prawn]

Alr

[cursive oyster]

the entirety of axe

the best thing you can do is keep scylla and roxy close together as much as you can tbh

[magic prawn]

What weapon should I be using

Cuz I've been using a lot of the twin blades but

[cursive oyster]

blades kinda struggle on sirens iirc

[magic prawn]

yeah 😭

[cursive oyster]

but all the weapons are pretty good

[past mist]

wondering - what are y'alls choices for easiest 32 fear?

i've been doubting my own choices in this regard lately and was wondering what people thought

[storm bramble]

Never got that high

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1270839101905567915/image.png?ex=66f5c224&is=66f470a4&hm=298849cb3b5e1668f34ef610375a73a8f157aa32d08f92e5cdeb96001ebded64&

[past mist]

huh, interesting and very different from mine

but i guess i alsonever was that heavy on speed clears, how limited is max desperation? 5 minutes per floor?

but it does remove almost everything that slows your clear down, no extra foes, health, or UnLife (is that name correct?)

only haunting and panic would slow your run a bit, and haunting is much easier to handle without all the other stuff

[magic moss]

yes desperation 3 limits 5 minutes per region

[past mist]

might give it a try

i'm not the best at optimizing for speed, but it's very appealing to not take any of the damage, health, or unlife bonuses. or extra foes

[magic moss]

its a decently steep learning curve, but once you get used to playing with this setup the game doesnt really get all too much harder

its just more enemies, hp, damage from here, no new mechanics to really worry about

once you clear 32 with this setup, 40 isnt even that much of a difficulty increase

[past mist]

does 5 minutes per floor necessitate you starting to pick rooms based on time, or is it doable regardless of path?

[magic moss]

well for 32F you can largely pick any path you want and still beat the timer

for higher fears, you want to optimize for time

so take midshop, hope for NPC encounters (so dont pick menu rooms if you can), take arachne, etc

@past mist would you like a build "guide"

[past mist]

sure, if for nothing else than to see the recommendations ^^

and thank you, by the way

[magic moss]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit?usp=sharing

ive put quite the effort into making the whole learning part of high fear much easier for people

[past mist]

Oh that's incredibly detailed! sweet. This is great work

interesting to see the arcana recommendations. sad that origination doesn't feature more, but that's my personal thing, and they kinda made it harder to consistently proc anyway compared to h1

[magic moss]

the primary reason is 1) extra rerolls, and more importantly 2) since midshop in erebus is essentially always taken the extra money lets you buy a boon and offset the bitterness vow negatives

since origination is conditional additive damage, you have to go out of your way to activate it

[past mist]

makes sense

[magic moss]

origination vs boatman is like the most argued thing in 50F tho so feel free to try out both

[past mist]

in h1 activating it was a no-brainer but it's a little harder here, especially with bitterness replacing the sell-a-boon

[magic moss]

some people prefer origination damage, others prefer rerolls and boatman money

[past mist]

nodnods

makes sense

[spare kite]

tbf in h1 you still went for fam favs instead of priv status in high heat 90% of the time

[past salmon]

@elfin glen anyways I find that keeping queen active is just not worth what you have to give up (atleast at 50F I haven't played mid/low fear in too long to have an opinion too much about it)

I can't even fully remember what you have to turn off for it in my standard arcana I just remember it being generally not worth it

Oh actually I think it might have been Lovers/Arti/One of the rolls which yeah Def's not worth taking off any of those for queen activation

[elfin glen]

it is a choice between having queen or have a 3rd two cost iirc

The rerolls are good but I currently have them off

[plucky cave]

#h2-victory-boasting message

this was sort of one of my ideas for a hades 1 Persephone boss fight lol

every time she phases, some random boons drop in rarity

[sand crow]

howmst does one medea

[past mist]

first real attempt with this in the underworld died to time on chronos. wasn't fast enough through tartarrus. but definitely doable

[gentle lava]

Ok I gotta ask. Hera. Her boons seem really lacklustre compared to the rest of the cast except for a few bangers. Am I missing something?

[spare kite]

Hitch is just really good

Her attack/special have decent % and pom scaling
Her gain is still nice
Dying wish/hereditary bane gud

[magic moss]

Hera just scales a lot better the higher fears you go

[gentle lava]

see i looked at the gain and i initally saw it and was like "this better work how i hope it does."

it did not

cast feels amazing though

[unborn lintel]

Yippee?

[cursive oyster]

the gain is insanely good how did you expect it to work?

[gentle lava]

I get one reduction, but I knew in my heart that was a pipe dream.

[surreal hazel]

one reduction and free mana forever?

[gentle lava]

That is what I hoped beyond reason yes, but, it's more than reasonable that it works the way it does.

[tall notch]

And then there's also team strength

[cursive oyster]

just run all 3

we dont need artificer

or lovers

or death defiances

[magic prawn]

What's the best build. Currently

Or best build for beginners

I keep dying on Cerberus (am I cooked)

[gilded pine]

Idk what the best builds are but I think Charon's Axe is pretty beginner friendly, if you have opened it. You put down your cast, strike it with your special, and it pops for a ton of damage, can do it from afar too. Get some cast boon and Apollo's Prominence Flare, and you're looking at a giant explosion with each popped cast.

[magic moss]

easiest build to go for is definitely charon axe with lucid gain

pan poseidon is also a really strong low fear build

[gentle lava]

Scorch is also VERY friendly. You proc enough, you can focus on dodging!

[sand crow]

Ok uhhh question

Medea skulls... how does one? Right now I'm just sticking heroic Aphro on there and hoping for the best but I feel like I'm missing something

[storm bramble]

You run around and try to dodge near the enemies while shoving skulls in there once in a while

[wise idol]

It’s most just a learning curve, but blitz on special with Hera attack is really nice, you kinda just gotta get used to not getting hit while ramming into foes

Always be mobile

[gentle lava]

Y'all I need help again. If I burn Cherished Heirloom to Hestia, do I get to keep the upgraded keepsake?

[spare kite]

I wanna say your current keepsake would keep the lvl up? But I have never been able to test that

[gentle lava]

Well it's time for me to test!

[spare kite]

You should do it and feedback if it doesn't

[gentle lava]

IT KEEPS IT

FREE + HEALTH AND MAGICKA

[spare kite]

Yeah makes sense
It doesn't give +1 to your equipped when picked up anyways

[storm bramble]

It would be so very abuseable if it did. Hell, even downgrading the keepsake if the boon disappeared would be more powerful than not doing so in most instances. Level change refreshes the keepsake

[magic prawn]

Best build on the twin swords?

[gentle lava]

You mean the sister blades?

You've a lot of choices. On-hit is my personal favourite. Zeus lightning, Aphrodite flat damage, Posideon splash, think those.

[unborn lintel]

Artemis is also good with Lim and Oros, I like to add Hera or Hestia depending on my mood

[gentle lava]

SUPPORT FIRE MY BELOVED

I TOO LIKE DOUBLE DAMAGE

[past mist]

I have some questions regarding the boon trends I'm seeing in the patch 4 misc stats.

For Mel Sister blades: Why Flame Strike, out of curiousity? Wouldn't backstab damage bonus scale better with a damage increase?

For Pan: Why are most runs not running a special? Is pan just not good enough of a gimmick to play into, and people just use the aspect as if it was base sister blades?

Eos: Same question as for Pan

Charon: Is there a reason this is the weapon with the lowest % for mint condition/trusty shield by a significant margin? Just a safer engage range, or is there other things that take priority over chasing those two?

Persephone: Does storm ring just have the highest amount of damage ticks per second/charge persephone the fastest?

More generally: Is Sworn Strike (And flourish to a lesser extent) and Arctic ring (and storm to a less extent) just ridiculously powerful in patch 4?

Also, is there somewhere in this doc that describes common keepsake strategies, or are those assumed?

(also sorry if pings to answer questions like this is annoying x.x)

[magic moss]

Mel Blades: Backstab is good, but outside of guardians its difficult to effectively play around. Scorch is an insane dps boon because of how fast and how many times the blades attack hit an enemy

Pan: Struggles A LOT with mana regen and all but requires a gain boon to operate. Unlike Moros and Charon, it doesn’t have the base damage to lean into a gain boon start and you often lose to time. So people just use it aspectless and focus on attacks

Eos: People take the Unseen arcana and thats all the mana gen you need to consistently use daybreaker. Since specials are inconsistent, people focus on attacks to increase daybreaker and basic attack damage

Charon: Due to the axe having a block option and the fact that Charon operates as an artillery, you are typically playing far range and have enough base damage to deal with any enemies that get close quickly, meaning you don’t need the defensive boons that much

Persephone: Yes storm ring just charges the meter the fastest so people take it

Sworn strike is insane because most aspects are attack focused so a % dmg boon is good, but more importantly the hitch effect greatly helps deal with large crowds of enemies, rebuke shields, and apply a debuff if you do decide to go origination

Arctic ring is just the best cast boon and its not even close. Arguably top1 boon in the game. The damage is respectable, but having an on demand freeze around you has insane utility both as a defensive and offensive boon

Keepsake order is generally assumed, but I can definitely add a sheet for it. Its typically start a god, then go pin/other god (typically heph for trusty/mint), then either keep pin or go selene keepsake if you have a good hex and are using a mana aspect or droplet for fields, then fang/pin for tartarus (or antler if you feel like balling)

[magic moss]

feel free to ping anytime if you have any questions

[past mist]

That's really helpful, thank you and yeah a note on keepsakes, even if it's just something like this brief mention, would be helpful when presenting it to people just getting into higher fears

Glad to see most of my assumptions about why x or y was going on was mostly accurate. There's something slightly demoralizing about how incredibly skewed some of these numbers are? but that's to be expected at the very highest end of pushing fear. consistency over lucky builds.

[magic moss]

yeah the average number of boons per clear is like 7-8 so you really cant aim for lucky runs especially with onion and timer

[past mist]

Makes sense

[tall notch]

Love onion. Not getting a boon in Oceanus is a classic

[heady flame]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1006934778144116893/1289655344699801681/image.png?ex=66f99ca2&is=66f84b22&hm=8dd444a558bfcea0628e794eb87f4aa17b535738e73c531b53f57006253aba0c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=922&height=1480

did i find a cracked synergy

[magic moss]

what am i supposed me to looking at

[heady flame]

idk i stacked a bunch of special buffs

[heady flame]

guys i swear my arteknives arent working

the parry just never triggers when im omega attacking all over the place

[cursive oyster]

wdym

are things hitting you?

[heady flame]

yes

[mint nexus]

What’s the appeal of double up besides farming?

[heady flame]

u can get double poms and hearts i think

[worn oriole]

Dopamine hits from hearing “YES! HAHA”

[past mist]

double onions

optimizing for irony

[steel tusk]

If i get the charon item that gives the next chaos portal to cost 0 hp. Does that last till the next portal i take even if i skip a few or is it only applied to the first one that appears?

[small wyvern]

i would assume its the next portal you take, but its worth testing i guess!

[tough vapor]

Does litterally anything seriously compete with charon axe for cast builds? I love cast builds and want to mess around with other weapons for nightmares, but the only other thing that even slightly seems for a cast build is the persophone skull and I really dislike skull for the same reason I disliked casts in H1, the weird reloading scheme

[past salmon]

Part of the problem is that nothing competes with Charon Axe fullstop

[tough vapor]

lmao

I also just got air quality with the demeter sprint and cast cyclones(the one that doesnt take the cast slot) and oh boy do those boons like air quality

[tough vapor]

I think circe staff might scratch the itch for me

[tough vapor]

I had high hope for the momus staff of a cast build, but like, none of the cast stuff ive been trying is working with the momus repeating cast, ive f10'd them, but its so sad that my experimentation only confirms the superiority of Charon Axe

[upper plinth]

A few months ago I made a tool for keeping track of your boons during a run and which boons you still need to get legendaries/duos.

https://pro-gramming.net/HadesBoons/boons
If you don’t like discord links (you shouldn’t) then just typing ‘pro-gramming hades ii boon’ into google should work as well.

I’m still a student so even though it works on mobile, it works best in landscape mode on larger devices.

[tall notch]

HAHA YES is funny

[mild phoenix]

really cool tool!

[tranquil furnace]

I’ve played some 32 heat Poseidon cast runs with Mel staff that were really fun with the increased cast speed. Especially if you can get Apollo mana regen

[warped harness]

hey i havent played in a few months has anything changed 💀

[fervent narwhal]

@warped harness no, the major content patch hasnt released yet

[warped harness]

ok 👍

[steel tusk]

Any tips on beating the final boss of the underworld? I had a totally cracked build with the base axe at lvl 5. Almost 30 boons that had good synergy with each other still lost in the 2nd half of the fight.

[magic moss]

there are a lot of visual and audio cues for when he does his attacks, so it really comes down to muscle memory on the dash timings'

[steel tusk]

Will look out for those. Got a ways to go either way with arcana and building up the nocturnal arms. Guess it was too soon to fight him.

[magic moss]

nah, experience with the fight itself is the most important. Take your time and don't rush the fight, learn his attack patterns, dodge timings, and where it is safe to stand and the fight becomes more about whether or not you deal enough damage before you get tired

[steel tusk]

Lol yeah. Don't want it to be a slogfest. Well it did take me at least 10 tries before i could beat Hecate without losing armor so fair enough. Keep on running it back, that's the point of the game.

[magic moss]

thats the spirit

[steel tusk]

Looking forward to the additional stuff they will add to the game. Looks like a lot of stuff is missing, much larger scope than hades 1 it seems.

[outer ginkgo]

charon question

is it better to use an attack with a curse than one with none?

[magic moss]

on charon you dont use attack period, get lucid gain and just cast -> ospecial til you win

[rocky kraken]

is ephyra supposed to be a step up from the underworld? I seem to clear 20+ heat on most weapons in underworld quite comfortably but cant seem to do so in ephyra. The mobs somehow have so much hp and dmg

oh and the cyclops is just unfair at times

[bleak night]

Surface def feels like it's made to be harder than UW, yeah

[rocky kraken]

i just feel the rooms have like insane hp hit for like 20+ and u only have like 1 boon lol

[tough vapor]

I have discovered something gamer, the pan knives with the all around daedulus hammer with the hestia special looks insanely cool and can stack up immense scorch

[stone harness]

What general requirements are there for 50f? I know hitch is basically needed for that 5 min timer, and I see a lot of people have trusty shield probably for the 300% hit, but do you use the pin keepsake from the start or is it only really needed for final region?

[cursive oyster]

for consistency, most people take their god keepsake of choice into erebus and then pin from oceanus onward, if you’re cocky and or low on time you can ball with lion fang/droplet/antler in tart

[past salmon]

imo initial godkeepsake -> Heph Keepsake -> can be almost anything, pin if your timer is fine and you're worried about safety -> Pin or LionFang/Antler on low timer (I'd usually take antler if I have like a minute or so getting out of fields but it's pretty weapon/aspect dependent)

Oceanus can also be like hammer if you already have heph and feel like ballin

[spare kite]

Just find all your gods in erebus #tbh

[past salmon]

this is why we run boatman

just force heph miniboss

[spare kite]

Heph is the athena of h2

[tall notch]

Or run strength and get the right gods showing up naturally

[past salmon]

ur bad

[tall notch]

No u

[bleak night]

[tall notch]

@bleak night we need you to settle something
Strength is a good arcana card, right?

[bleak night]

Good? Eh. Usable? Sure.

[tall notch]

I'll take that

[rain hazel]

When do yall use Hephaestus? Feel like I avoid him like the plague.

[tranquil furnace]

Any time you’re running additional first hit damage, his trusty shield is priceless. Mint condition is also the majority of the reason I’ve been able to do any 50 fear

[magic moss]

added a keepsake section to the sheet (I yoinked it from a different project)

[split igloo]

pretty neat u compact the site, but i remember the old one show boon info and look like you miss first game

[somber sun]

Hi i'm new to the discord and started playing two nights ago. I have gotten pretty far, havent defeated the big boss man yet, but im getting closer, but i have a quick question for others playing. Does Demeter's sprint have to charge up or is it buggy? I find it only makes a cyclone when there is no one around and very very rarely when there are enemies. Wondering if i need to run over to tech support or sumn

I really enjoy her other boons esp stacked with hestia but this is the one boon im struggling with

[magic moss]

the sprint has a set duration that runs out if you sprint long enough and resets after you dash to initiate sprint again

[steel tusk]

So im focusing on unlocking all of my arcana first and unlocking nocturnal arms; almost done actually, except some that ask for items ive never seen (eg. poppy, n.stone). Should i be unlocking keepsakes now or unlocking all the cauldron stuff or maybe just focus on upgrading weapons?

[versed bear]

So does Scorch just suck.

[warped egret]

i think people use scorch with the boon that adds a dmg floor

[tall notch]

No

But in order to make it scale in late game, you kinda need the demeter and hestia duo

[magic moss]

^ scorch is very strong early but falls off late, so you want to get either a secondary dmg source like storm ring or either dem duo or aphro duo

[storm bramble]

Try using it with the blades

[leaden owl]

great for 50F when you need to deal with a lot of enemies, you can apply enough scorch to finish your foe then move onto the next.

[warped egret]

is apollo good? i like the idea of his boons but i dont know if theyre legit better than others and how to make the best use of them.

also does moros explosion scale with atk or special?

[past mist]

am slightly unsure on the second question. as for the first question: his boons are mostly pretty decent. attack and special does have high % numbers, scaling very well with high damage weapons. some things standing out about him is prominence flare, as a really good omega cast amplifier (With a duo further interacting with it), as well as back burner for backstab damage when you're on runs where that matters. extra dose (double strike) can matter a lot too.

In high fear, i believe the sprint is the most important part? it has higher base sprint speed which really helps in the fields when you have the timer on

[spare kite]

His gain is the default for charon axe if that's your thing

But yeah personally I just like his sprint lol, legendary's cool too but y'know

[spare kite]

Atk, also use huntress with it as omega explosions count as normals

[past mist]

oh right, forgot the gain for charon

[warped egret]

Thank you all! Yeah ive just been kinda slapping him as a "% up and easier to hit is never bad" but idk how to build. Ill have to keep in mind that he scales well with high dmg weapons

I think i used his gain for the first time recently and i liked it, though ive only used the thanatos & default axe

[past mist]

generally when it comes to scaling, %damage increases goes well with high damage attacks, and attack effects that do a specific amount of damage goes well with low damage high speed hits. Similarly something like heph goes well for... well, mostly for special when you're not on a special build

[mild phoenix]

Harass???

That’s wild

How have any of us been rude?

We give you honest feedback on a resource you’re trying to make as an asset for the community and we’ve been very civil about it

Alright and I’ve been very tuned in to the website and the high heat channel while not seeing any of what you speak of. You say you don’t want to further the conflict but then trash talk behind our backs and accuse of of things we didn’t do.

I would like to dm and hear your side, would be good to know how we should approach an external resource being made.

[surreal hazel]

Gonna disagree a bit about Prominence Flare, it's got that infuriating property where it blocks you from casting until it's done flaring, and Glorious Disaster is just.... really bad.

Probably the best Cast modifier that Apollo offers is Supernova, since it increases radius, which follows a square power law for the total area it actually covers

Generally, even if having bigger attacks/specials isn't doing much for your weapon (like, you're using Mel Torches), it's still worth noting that Solar ring and Binding sprint are easy mode status curses, and Blinding sprint has that very useful property of not actually needing a full sprint to inflict daze

It's rather annoying that Apollo's legendary demands Nova Strike or Nova Flourish, as it kinda requires you to bork certain weapons to ever experiment with that legendary with them

[red sapphire]

Hey. Gonna start this game soon. Had so much fun with the last game so I’m excited to try this one out.

[bleak night]

Hope you end up enjoying it, don't expect much of a story atm though, not implemented yet

[trim shoal]

Charon axe is the greatest weapon ever conceived by man, it works with absolutely everything

[sly mirage]

People keep hyping up Charon axe but honestly I prefer Thanatos axe. What’s so good about Charon anyways?

[past mist]

its gameplay loop allows you to sit at range more often which some people like. and it's pretty heavy damage output

[sly mirage]

Makes sense, can’t remember if I’ve used it or not so maybe that’s why I don’t understand the hype cause I haven’t experienced it lol

[worn oriole]

50 fear enjoyers am i performing a sin for using breath of eros

[magic moss]

nah

[worn oriole]

okie dokie 👍

[surreal hazel]

If you get lucid gain, it's basically free, I recognise its power, but I find it inflexible and kinda boring

[storm bramble]

I much prefer Thanatos. I don't do Charon axe well.

Especially with vow of blue hp bar

[magic moss]

thats the worst for charon, dont enable it until 49F

[storm bramble]

Gotcha

[potent grotto]

I think I've come to like the staff best, but I'm not sure what the best builds are for it. I like the cross strike daedalus hammer enchantment alot. Any suggestions?

[magic moss]

are you looking for fun builds or just straight good builds, and what fear level we talking?

[potent grotto]

Uhh I'm not on any fear levels yet and I guess leaning more towards good builds

Since I'm still not consistently beating the bosses and such

I can't even get Chronos to phase 2 most the time

[magic moss]

ah

[potent grotto]

He has such fast, wide sweeping attacks 😭

[magic moss]

well one of staffs main weaknesses is that it struggles to deal significant damage more often than not on its basic combos and the omegas having slow channel time without significant damage increases only add to it

[potent grotto]

Gotcha

[magic moss]

so currently one of the best staff boons is Hera's Sworn Strike, but since you don't have Hera unlocked yet (im assuming since you havent beaten Chronos yet), Zeus's Heaven Strike or Hestia's Flame Strike work wonders because its a secondary damage source

[potent grotto]

I have beaten him once at least, so I can get Hera boons

[magic moss]

sick

so Hera sworn strike is probably the best in general, but dont sleep on zeus or hestia attack

[potent grotto]

I just can't consistently beat him is all

[magic moss]

specials arent really that used, but Heph and Zeus is BIS because its really a one time use every now and then

cast is just Storm Ring or Arctic Ring (as with all aspects cuz these 2 are just the best rn), but just about any DPS cast can work

[potent grotto]

Hestia has my favorite dash in the game

[magic moss]

if you want, I currently run a sheet that keeps track of every 50 fear clear and I do keep record of the core boons taken for every aspect along with victory screens and vods you can reference

[potent grotto]

Oh that's pretty cool

[magic moss]

i know 50 fear is way beyond what you're probably asking, but im bringing it up since you are asking for good builds

and no better place to find good builds than at the hardest difficulty currently available

[potent grotto]

Yeah probably not that extensively good, but good enough to clear through at the base level

Although I may want that for later on when I start getting into those

I still need to like meet up with the Fates somehow. I'm still not really sure how I'm supposed to do that, but I'll get there eventually

[magic moss]

the fates prophecy currently isnt implemented in the game

[potent grotto]

Ohh gotcha, well that explains that then

[magic moss]

anyways if you're ever interested https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit?usp=sharing here ya go

otherwise, my best advice is look for secondary damage sources that give you more options in terms of movement and defensive

[potent grotto]

So like Hermes boons, maybe some Poseidon

[magic moss]

the staff has slow attack animations for little gain, so a dps cast like storm ring lets you deal substantial damage while still focusing on evading and playing distance

[potent grotto]

I prefer attacking over the casting

[magic moss]

Hermes's Nitro Boost and Poseidon's Flood Control are good starts, but for defensive boons look for Hephaestus's Mint Condition and Trusty Shield, they're kinda the best defensive options available

[magic moss]

ye Hera's Sworn Strike is the go to attack option then

[potent grotto]

Hestia's sprint is one of my favorite defensive boons so far

Just burn up all projectiles and deal damage back

[magic moss]

its super jank and I wouldn't really recommend relying on it because it becomes unreliable as you get into higher fears

[potent grotto]

Gotcha, good to know. It works wonders against Eris though

[magic moss]

hammer wise, look for the base attack hammers, them being Wicked Thrasher, Rapid Thrasher, and Mirrored Thrasher primarily because any attack hammers also buff the omega attacks (wicked increasing base power, Rapid doubling channel speed, and Mirrored doubling the actual omega attack)

[magic moss]

oh yeah soot sprint vs eris is the ultimate cheese

[magic moss]

otherwise, take any attack hammer, most special hammers are moreoften than not troll because the staff special is just not it right now

probably the worst move among all the weapons

[potent grotto]

The cross strike one I think is solid on the hammer enchantments for the staff

The one that makes your staff hit in an X pattern instead of in like an I pattern

When you do the omega attack

[magic moss]

Cross Cataclysm is probably the best hammer overall outside of wicked/rapid/mirrored thrasher i do agree

[potent grotto]

Especially when you have the thing that lets you dash while charging it

It's been a minute so I forget where that comes from

Haven't really played the game for like months

[tall notch]

Staff has a special?

[past mist]

question about mel/moros torches omega: does channel speed actually affect the attack speed or only initial channel time?

[past mist]

there's specials in this game? /j

[past salmon]

Just effects the time taken to start Omegas. Which is absolutely massive. Channel speed is one of the top things to look for on Mel torches and Moros, which is why clean candle is the best hammer on them for the most part.
You do like 8 billion times more damage doing omegas than regular attacks

[past mist]

thanks, helpful to know both the specifics of how it works and that it's powerful

guessing channel speed would be even more important on moros due to necessity of ceasing channel?

because you have to special every so often

[tough vapor]

im on location 5 of the woods, and ive allready got a attack boon from apollo for +100% dmg and a chaos boon for +90% dmg on my attacks, on a thanatos axe run

this run is gonna go the distance, I can feel it

and I just got molten touch for extra armor dmg, +40%

[tough vapor]

for axe builds you almost universally want aphrodite and Apollo.
for the thanatos no hit run, shamless attitude and perfect image, and apollo attack makes it a lot less risky, or aphro attack for a riskier but higher dmg playstyle.

for charon cleave cast build the apollo cast is pretty solid, plus the expanding ring and the repeating blasts on omega cast. and aphro has just the straight up best magick gain boon IMHO

for meg aspect with the flexibility and tankyness the apollo regen boon, the aphro boon that restores you if your over a certain threshhold and making max health bonusses better.

really aphro and apollo just love the axe

[surreal hazel]

New reported oopsie, turns out Purification (Phase Shift hex upgrade that wipes out enemy projectiles) will also wipe out your own projectiles, including heartthrobs

[cursive oyster]

for me i really like using apollo’s gain on charon, as long as you play it at closer range you can just have infinite mana

[novel granite]

axe builds?? anyone?

[cursive oyster]

which aspect?

[novel granite]

no aspect

[cursive oyster]

ok

[storm bramble]

I play mostly aspect of thanatos axe

[surreal hazel]

Where anything works

Main thing with the axe is you don't get much in the way of cross comboing with attack and special

So don't try to get your origination procs from those two alone

[patent jolt]

what build would you recommend if you want to maximise the chance to get the legendary boon of Chaos pls ?

[magic moss]

just take chaos keepsake with boatman max rerolls and just try to roll for spark of ixion from charon wells and go into as many chaos gates as possible, no build specifically can get you a higher chance

[past mist]

does chaos keepsake actually work for legendary requirement?

[magic moss]

no idea

placebo effect :)

[patent jolt]

okay thx a lot, I was already doing that with some Arcana Cards to "boost my chances" but the legendary boon from Chaos is super hard to get, I tried for at least 10hours now...

[wise idol]

Yeah, the keepsake just gives you a normal chaos boon, it’s not unique or anything

[patent jolt]

it requires to have at least one chaos boon/blessing in your possesion to get the legendary one proposed to you if I'm not mistaken

[past mist]

fair

also, question - is there a delay on the shield from the lovers arcana?

just saw my friend take damage on hecate at the start of the fight

[magic moss]

there shouldnt be

do they have lovers active?

[wise idol]

There shouldn’t be

[past mist]

it was very visibly active right afterwards

[timber pawn]

There were some old glitches that allowed damage through the shield, sometimes it was axe block related

[wise idol]

Do they have master conductor, that currently breaks lovers shields

[past mist]

oooh.. it was on charon axe

[timber pawn]

That's it then probably

[past mist]

which one is master conductor?

[wise idol]

Zeus heph duo, they prob don’t have it on Charon

[past mist]

yeah not that

[magic moss]

no nitro boost, no snow queen, no nothing? just trying to remove the obvious out of the potential problems

and can you check if the arcana card itself is active?

[past mist]

(to be clear, lovers was and still is on, and snow queen would've also been a bug in this scenario, but) yes don't think she had any of those on

have just checked that the arcana card is on too

[vestal fractal]

hi if someone that played hades 1 , no one is there at the moment ||do u know who i have to give ambrosia i miss the 8 and the last artefact|| ??

[past mist]

charon axe, very first second of hecate fight took damage from the expanding circle attack. then very visibly had lovers shield (and it resisted its usual 3 hits)

quite possibly was trying to do a special so the block thing might've happened

[magic moss]

well that sounds like an

[past mist]

yupp

was mostly asking in case it was a known bug of some kind

always helpful to be aware of and helps with the 'that was unfair' feeling

[magic moss]

yup fair

[haughty panther]

just to be clear about something about scorch before I post a feedback that might got people @ ing me for correction: Scorch actual dmg is affected by air quality and global dmg buff right? Without affecting the actual drain rate? And there's so far no other sources that's not mentioned that only affects the final dmg?

[cursive oyster]

crispy coating affects scorch without drain rate but that’s it aside from global

[potent grotto]

Chronos is so hard to beat 😭

He constantly just clips me when I'm fighting him and I can never stay fully out of his range

So he ends up just hitting me the entire time I'm fighting him

[fervent narwhal]

The game gets pretty easy eventually when you unlock more stuff so just keep going and do your best

[potent grotto]

I mean I have like Hera boons and such available

It's just like he reaches so far I can't fully dodge it and I don't know what to change

Like I can't dash any farther/faster than that except maybe with Hermes boons?

[past mist]

often the answer is 'dodge through, not away' since a lot of bosses in h2 doesn't punish that

[potent grotto]

Oh so like towards him instead?

[past mist]

yup

[potent grotto]

Gotcha okay good to know, I'll give that a try next time

[past mist]

i still get hit a ton by the charge in the 3-sequence attacks though. and you still need to not stand on the line when it blows up

[potent grotto]

I get hit mostly by his throw attack thing

And his like sweeping attacks

And sometimes by the one that sucks you in then he throws a thing at you

[past mist]

the sweeping attacks dodging through him helps, although it depends on timing. for the sucking you in thing, dodging behind him but not through the spinny sucky thing is the right move

he's very vulnerable when he does that, easy to just stand behind him and lightly move as he does and keep hitting him

[potent grotto]

Gotcha okay

So around the scythe and behind him

[past mist]

yup

he will keep turning but easy enough to turn with him

[rugged moon]

Chronos i still struggle with too, it feels like he hits before really animated so i get stunned.

[potent grotto]

I can clear everything up to him fine

Maybe sometimes losing a death defiance to Scylla, and maybe sometimes to Cerberus

But otherwise it's no issues until I get to Chronos, where he mops the floor with me

Usually I'm fine until Chronos

[haughty panther]

also just to confirm, airfryer does 180/s meaning scorch does 6 ticks per second, correct?

[lime wing]

Anyone have a fun and easy bulid for me to try?

[potent grotto]

Well, I got to phase 2 against Chronos, but it didn't get too much better than that

I don't know what I'm missing in my runs that's keeping me from beating him

[lime wing]

Nice

[potent grotto]

Is there generally one familiar I should be using over the other? I'm not sure whether to be taking Frinos or Toula

[rugged moon]

Most people use frinos is more total hp

[magic moss]

frinos primarily for the extra hp since you get more net hp than toula given 3 dds but also the blocking of frinos is generally better

NOW 51+ toula is just better period, but im assuming you arent asking about 51+ fear

[rugged moon]

I used toula when i was still in progression however

Toula gives you more bones for more resources

[past salmon]

Frinos is a fraud I'ma stay on my Frinos hate arc
But also I will still use him because I'm lazy and don't want to have to think about Polymorph

[rugged moon]

Whereass psyche runs out of uses pretty fast

[potent grotto]

Yeah I'm just going for in general, not on any fear levels

At this point I've gotten pretty good about just dodging polymorph so having Frinos to bodyblock it isn't as relevant for me

[magic moss]

regardless its just good to have, and frinos is just generally better than toula

[potent grotto]

I'm still going through and upgrading arcana, if that impacts any decision on that front

[timber pawn]

I assume you have death defiance arcana unlocked already but, just in case

That's definitely high priority

[potent grotto]

Yeah I have death defiance unlocked

And I think I have it upgraded to 3 death defiances from it?

[timber pawn]

Okay just had to confirm haha

The lovers arcana is also a great one to unlock, it gives you 1-3 free hits in every boss fight

[potent grotto]

Yeah that's fair. I think I might also have that one? Although only upgraded to 2

I think I'm only missing the very bottom right arcana honestly

[timber pawn]

It sounds like the biggest thing may just be getting more used to chronos attack patterns

How many times have you gotten to him?

[potent grotto]

Maybe, it's been a few months since I've played so probably rusty. Uhh not sure, where do I check that?

[timber pawn]

There's not an easy way to do so unfortunately, there's two npcs that can tell you about past runs

And one will tell you what you died to, but there's no like...'youve died to Chronos 10 times' stat anywhere

[potent grotto]

That's unfortunate

I can consistently get to Chronos

He just destroys me once I'm there

[timber pawn]

Ya without seeing what you're doing wrong it's a little tough to provide advice unfortunately

[potent grotto]

I've beaten him at least once since I can get Hera boons

[timber pawn]

For the boomerangs there's actually a safe spot essentially right in front of him

[tough vapor]

just tried my first 20 fear run and I was SO dry on boons, I walked into oceanus with like, 3 boons, a hex, and a hammer, and I normally go in with a good bit more, and I dont even have any boon affecting vows active lmao, just bad luck,

but anyway, any advice for a run with these vows?
3 vow of blood
1 vow of dominance
2 Vow of Fury
2 Vow of suffering
2 vow of arrogance

im running thanatos axe, been enjoying the playstyle of attacking and avoiding attacks as my primary style, I used to play a bit more of a tank style

[timber pawn]

Is there a reason you don't want to run timer at all? Assuming I'm remembering vow names right

[potent grotto]

Okay what should I be going for exactly because I still just can't for the life of me seal the deal with Chronos again

I did it like once and I just can't again and I don't know if I'm having bad RNG or am just doing something wrong or what

[timber pawn]

Do you have any ability to record footage

[potent grotto]

Yeah I've got OBS set up

I could just have it point at the game specifically

[timber pawn]

Recording a chronos fight would definitely help folks in here with how to provide feedback

[potent grotto]

Alright sure I can do that next time I go to fight him

Which probably won't be tonight since it's past midnight. Maybe tomorrow depending on homework that I have to get done.

[timber pawn]

Alternative could be studying other folks clearing him

Fresh file speedruns especially have to really respect his move set so could be a good resource

[tough vapor]

a little tip that allways helped me with him, remember, ALL of his effects, afaik, go clockwise, all swings, all projectiles

[tough vapor]

I just didnt think of it, maybe ill try that next time, and maybe reduce the vow of fury since im decent at avoiding dmg without it but get hit a good bit with it

[timber pawn]

Ya if you're usually finishing runs under 20 mins the 5 min timer can be pretty free

[tough vapor]

im not quite that fast, but that 9 minute timer might be fine

[timber pawn]

Taking off enemy hp in exchange might be a good trade, if you have that one on

[potent grotto]

Oh that's a funny detail good to know

[magic moss]

My spreadsheet has loads of vods and victory screens of clears at the highest difficulty if you want to learn by watching other people play

[potent grotto]

I can maybe take a look sometime. I'm figuring him out for sure it's just taking a bit. I've gotten him past halfway into his second phase at the very least. That's what I did my most recent run.

[magic moss]

do you have access to it?

[tough vapor]

I do, I full dropped the enemy speed fury vow for the timer vow and its going great atm, lasst run I barely made it through scylla, but thiss time ive only used one death defy in erebos on a shadow thing, and I just beat scylla with 2 minutes left, so ill have 7 to get through the fields, my big worry is that I usually hyper prepar for chronos by taking every possible side route so im not ssure how well itll go with having to bee line

I think its just with speed vow I suck at dodging so I get hit a lot, which with thanatos means less dmg

Vow of arrogance almost never returning your magick is so annoying, like if it worked properly itd be pretty solid for my build, but having a bit of magick is also nice for occasional cleavers, but I cant, I think ima have to drop vow of arrogance next rune

[timber pawn]

Vow of arrogance isn't meant to give back the mana actually

It removes the priming of mana right now if you pom the boon

But that's considered a known glitch

[tough vapor]

oh, I thought it wass the other way around

I just finished the run, nearly had chronos, but the timer got me when I was like, 3/4 done with the second phase of chronos and the dmg made me panick, if id grabbed just one less side room I couldve made it

my greed killed me lmao

[potent grotto]

Yeah I can see the images and stuff at least. Haven't gone to check the videos but I'm sure I can watch them since the links are there and stuff

[tough vapor]

messing about with the torches for the first time, and by god hestia with these things is insano, hearth gain and sscorch attack go crazy, I also got the hera omega rift boon so I dont have infinite omega attack anymore, but i also utterly melt things

Ive also got zues prime magick to get the bolts on attacks, and a hera cast, so I can SHRED crouds like nothing else

[bleak night]

You want me to coach you over VC ? idm, tho it's been a while

[lyric summit]

I love hearth gain. Works so well with the torches 💛

[lyric summit]

Static shock also bae 💛

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1292429505301844050/image.png?ex=6703b446&is=670262c6&hm=fe00a209e02827bd10d6f4ea2d1baad2bda3278ebf96190f69c6465fdde15b45&

For anyone who is trying Mel torches 50F (why) this is the arcana setup I found to be the best when I was experimenting for all aspects streak.
The idea is to start Hestia attack. Main boons you should be looking for are; arctic ring, leading into freezer burn, static shock (goated), natural gas and Pyro technique,

You do not want Pyro if you already have arctic ring working towards freezer burn. It is probably worth bringing either Zeus or Demeter keepsake into Oceanus. Heph shouldn't be too necessary since Mel torches are a very safe weapon when you are just attack spamming.

@magic moss since you asked

alternatively you can also take off lovers (since as I said it's quite a safe aspect) and run furies + sorceress (sorc is for divinity activation)

[tough vapor]

The aspect of thanatos apollo attack is such a poyent combo, it has solid dmg AND extra reach making it safer

[cursive oyster]

apollo attack is silly but hera attack is sillier imo

[tall notch]

Is this manaless?

[timber pawn]

Seems like it, or close to anyway

[magic moss]

i think you could go manaless, but since you’re starting hestia anyways i think getting hearth gain is a great boon to take

[potent grotto]

Alright beat Chronos for real this time

[magic moss]

AYE LFG

[potent grotto]

I think it took two of my death defiances but I did it 😅

[magic moss]

aye a dub is a dub

[potent grotto]

Anything I can do better when fighting him? It was still kinda close this last time
#h2-victory-boasting message

[timber pawn]

Seems like you did a pretty decent job in p1. In p2, the ring that closes in from the outside of the arena to the middle, you can dash through it

Being outside that ring doesn't hurt you, think of it like Hecates expanding and contracting ring attack, same idea

[potent grotto]

Gotcha okay

The small circle ring or the like two circles ring?

The small one being the one on each of the hour markers like at 5 o'clock for example

[timber pawn]

Oh, neither, those you handled correctly

[potent grotto]

It hurts you like when he dispels it or whatever though, right?

[timber pawn]

Those are instakill attacks basically

[potent grotto]

Oh okay then which one did you mean?

[timber pawn]

Starts at 2:34 in your video

And you get hit by it at like 2:39ish

[potent grotto]

Ohhh that one

Okay so being in the black space doesn't hurt me on that one like it does the others

It's the little flame circle thing that hurts

[cursive oyster]

yeag

[potent grotto]

Got it good to know

[timber pawn]

Yup that's like, basically most of the damage you took in this fight. Otherwise you really seem to be getting the hang of things

One thing to consider is you can still be attacking him during the insta kill moves

If you're in range. You always just sat there and waited for the attacks to go off

(which I think is everyone's first instinct, no shame there)

[potent grotto]

Yeah probably haha 😅

I'm just glad I could beat him this time because he has trashed me the last few times. I don't think I even made it to phase 2 last time

That Hades curse thing helps a lot too in my mind

[timber pawn]

Which one did you go with?

[potent grotto]

The one that deals Chronos like 20% damage or something at the start of the fight

That one is kinda my go-to

[timber pawn]

Gotcha, ya the one the removes 50% of his minion spawns is also considered really strong

Those hourglass guys in p2 cam be pretty rough to deal with sometimes

[potent grotto]

Yeah that one's also pretty good but I like the 20% damage a little bit more

Especially if I have Vampiric Cataclysm from the hammer

More enemies I could drain some hp off of

[potent grotto]

I beat him again, back to back wins

[timber pawn]

Nice!

[potent grotto]

I guess maybe I should move onto another weapon now since I've gotten him back to back with the staff

Or I could start tackling fear levels maybe

[spare kite]

50 fear first try

[potent grotto]

Do rewards change if you beat with different weapons/at different fear levels like they did in Hades 1 with different weapons and heat levels?

[wise idol]

in this game the reward is nightmare if you beat a specific boss at a specific fear level with a specific weapon

so a bit different

[potent grotto]

Ohhh so that's how you get that, gotcha

I've seen that in like the cauldron I think and wasn't sure how to get it

[wise idol]

yeah nightmare's main use is upgrading aspects

[potent grotto]

Oh that's probably where I saw it then

[wise idol]

yup that would make sense

[potent grotto]

But it's not like how you had to use a new weapon or go up a heat level to get titan's blood from beating Hades in Hades 1

And all the other things the other bosses dropped

Instead of getting darkness for subsequently beating them

[wise idol]

yeah, boss drops are infinite now

[potent grotto]

Oh nice

[wise idol]

testaments (the "bounties" of this game) are a seperate mechanic

testaments are how you get nightmare

[potent grotto]

And that involves higher fear levels

[wise idol]

yup

[potent grotto]

So sort of similar idea

[wise idol]

yeah kinda

[potent grotto]

What fear level do I need in order to get nightmare?

[wise idol]

that depends on a lot of things

check your vows menu, the oath you unlocked

[potent grotto]

I think I can probably start going for fear levels having beaten Chronos back to back to back today

Twice with the staff and once with the axe, my first clear with the axe actually

[wise idol]

nice!

[potent grotto]

I think I still prefer the staff

But I was also just on the Aspect of Melinoe for both so

[potent grotto]

Is that something I check in the Crossroads?

[wise idol]

near the doors to start a run

[potent grotto]

Okay the big scroll thing got it

[wise idol]

yup

the top left of the menu is where it shows available testaments, you can always click the info button (keybind will be shown on the bottom right) if you dont understand it

[potent grotto]

I'm guessing it's probably all of them since I haven't done any fear runs before

[wise idol]

yeah but itll only show one at a time for each weapon

[potent grotto]

So this menu
#h2-victory-boasting message

[wise idol]

yup! so for example, the staff's testament is to beat hecate with 1 fear. So if you kill hecate with on fear, you get a nightmare

[potent grotto]

Ohhh okay gotcha

[wise idol]

so for torches itd be eris, for axe itd be polyphemus, etc.

[potent grotto]

Lim and Oros for Scylla

[wise idol]

and each testament you beat, it will switch bosses and increase the fear amount needed for that weapon

[wise idol]

yup!

[potent grotto]

And the skull for Cerberus

I might go for the staff one then idk

Staff is my preferred weapon of the bunch so far

I definitely feel most comfortable with it, which I guess that tracks from Hades 1 since the staff is like her default weapon right?

I liked Stygius best in Hades 1 for context

[cursive oyster]

staff to me feels most like varatha i think

[timber pawn]

only once you get mirrored or some aspd increase but ya

[past salmon]

Yes and no
Works completely fine manaless but there is no reason to not click a gain when presented with one (and there is no better option)

[potent grotto]

I meant more in like that tracks that I like their default weapons best. So far at least in Melinoë's case, if the staff is her default weapon

I still haven't really tried the other weapons much

I think I kinda like Lim and Oros though. Not sure whether I like them or the staff more

[magic moss]

as the days pass im kinda getting worried about patch 5 in terms of the sheet lmao

there are 450 clears logged rn for patch 4 alone and patch 5 is going to be the major update

oh baby here we go

[timber pawn]

it is definitely a lot of data to be the owner of if you're manually accepting submissions

have you considered a Google form to help standardize the data intake?

[magic moss]

multiple times, but then the onus of clear tracking falls onto the runner

ill probably google form to make individual boon tracking easier, since im manually editing each cell individually per clear rn

[timber pawn]

I mean ultimately the onus is always on the runner to some degree right? just right now you're willing to chase people around and ask for the data

(assuming I'm not wildly misunderstanding your process here)

[magic moss]

its close enough

the big difference between something like a google form and what im currently doing is that all the runner needs to do is submit a victory screen and be done with it

[timber pawn]

ah okay, got it

[magic moss]

like just post it to any channel. Having to upload it to a google form, which requires you to save the file and upload, then they need to record the boons they have, etc

[timber pawn]

now I understand what you mean. I feel like folks would be pretty open to a couple data points, but ya I get that it does increase the 'work required' on the runner by a fair bit

[magic moss]

when i created the sheet initially, i wanted to keep track of every 50+ fear clear, and my standard of reference at the time was capriceyuri's leaderboards

there were loads of clears not tracked because the onus for submission largely fell on the runner with recording, boon tracking, etc and most of the time its just not worth the effort (?) especially after your first clear

looking at the site rn, there are 97 uploaded 50+ fear clears with a video. My sheet has over 500 victory screens with 200+ vods of at least some part of the run

theres just a massive difference between when the onus is on the runner to submit their completion compared to when i just do it

[magic moss]

its a sacrifice im willing to make for the sake of record keeping and creating a tool for people to use and learn 50F

[timber pawn]

we appreciate you, I think I may dive into 50 attempts more ernestly once the next patch comes out, whenever that may be

[magic moss]

:D

[magic moss]

I'm not dissing you at all, in fact i greatly appreciate you had the resource to begin with. I'm just pointing out the sheer difference in the number of clears logged between when the runner has to submit something vs when I do everything manually at the 50+ fear level

and ive taken up the mantle, standing on the shoulders of giants

oh 100%

thats nice

o7 thank you for your work

aye thanks! Mynt helped quite a bit with the visuals

[bleak night]

Oh, hello again !

Only got active again this last week

[magic moss]

"active"

[bleak night]

bully

[thick knoll]

i really liked this build felt great and powerfull

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1237413291119083550/1292818861518880798/image.png?ex=67051ee3&is=6703cd63&hm=e11ff574c02d7281c98f2dc3f252f6d8021e260098705d38d2a18fc579181884&

[potent grotto]

What boons should I be going for with the axe?

[bleak night]

whacha playin

[potent grotto]

Don't know, I've not really used the axe very much

I tend to use the staff most but I have a bounty thing I need to use the axe for

[bleak night]

I made a guide I haven't released yet. Lemme drop it

[cursive oyster]

ooo

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247782897457303562/1292827812561948773/Hades_II_Axe_overview.pdf?ex=6705273a&is=6703d5ba&hm=98665cb5547d31a7a26e965f9861b347ff5e7fb2fb66049eb7e023bd0ebd63a2&

pdfs can't show I think, probs download

[potent grotto]

Ooo this is fancy

[bleak night]

hope it helps you out

[potent grotto]

Thanks

[bleak night]

[thick knoll]

whats everybody's favorite axe anyway

personally love thantos the most

[bleak night]

I like em all

[spare kite]

Charon

[bleak night]

thoughts on the guide I posted ?

[spare kite]

I'd put a simple explanation on why heph is on your boon sets probably? Just in case the person checking out hasn't found how good trusty and mint are. Other than that is good, explains quickly

[bleak night]

Ah, right. The original document we had sported its own tab for Hephaestus' importance, and why he was on every aspect lol

[cursive oyster]

i think hell splitter is worth a mention on than axe

[bleak night]

made this maybe 2 months ago, so yeah, worth adding a core 3 to Than, really versatile weapon lol

[cursive oyster]

and i am also a storm ring addict which i think can help with damage scaling on than axe

[bleak night]

Zeus just feels a bit out of the way is all

Static is neat to have, so by all means ig. Hera-Dem-Zeus-Heph is nice

I sometimes prefer Apollo attack on it now ngl

[cursive oyster]

static, storm ring, heaven flourish can kinda work on axe, double strike

[potent grotto]

Okay so basically for Mel axe I can do the same thing as Mel staff essentially

Hera and Hephaestus boons the entire time basically

[bleak night]

I suggest playing Charon so you can try something a lil out of your comfort zone

it's a fun playstyle that's honestly unlike anything else the game has atm, it's an artillery weapon

[potent grotto]

Oh that's weird

Yeah I probably won't care much for it then

I didn't like the firearm in Hades 1 at all so

[spare kite]

Imagine if you had the dmg from the 3rd swing from hidden sword but it didn't take 3 business years to come out

[bleak night]

Oh it doesn't play anything at all like that

Charon is characterized by really low hit counts with high damage

Two hits with massive damage on rotation

[potent grotto]

Gotcha okay

[surreal hazel]

press Cast (don't channel it), hold Special, repeat until victory

bonus points for realising that if you get Giga Cleaver, you can Cast > Special > Cast again

to get double explosions, particularly if you have lightning lance

[novel granite]

CAST BUILDS!! I NEED EM!! please 😭

[rugged moon]

Take storm ring, laugh to bank

[novel granite]

Wait

skull + Demeter special + Storm ring + Hail storm

eazay win

[cursive oyster]

get some double strike action

blitz attack with that would go hard

[novel granite]

omg

thats gonna be my 1st win

[magic moss]

why not go for the patch 1 glorious disaster charon build

[novel granite]

On the resource grind rn

[novel granite]

Aspect of mom goes best with that

and the hammer that makes it go back

[cursive oyster]

yeag

[past crest]

Do you guys use omega casts often

I barely ever find myself doing them which is why I'm asking

[heavy palm]

Depends on the run, but not as often as attack or special for sure.

Prominence Flair is probably the main exception.

[timber pawn]

Nearly never unless I'm explicitly building around it

[novel granite]

What he said

[rugged moon]

I am slowly working my way up to 50 fear doing some 40 right now and ive been using the omega cast a fair amount. Safety from cast, break all the rebuke shields, cast goes off killing a whole lot the targets

(This being the staff)

[tall notch]

Veeeeery rarely. Having to engage with the omega cast was part of the reason why it took me so long to clear 50f with Persephone

[blazing sundial]

so often all the time

[leaden owl]

I just treated Pskull like bad melskull

[tough vapor]

if your going for an avoid all dmg run, is there any way Aphro's shameless attitude is stronger than apollo's perfect image?

[tough vapor]

im dumb, other way around

[spare kite]

all dmg as in no chaos gates either I assume?

or just hitless/enemy stuff

[tough vapor]

idk, I think just trying to go for hitless

[spare kite]

if you take too many chaos gates you can end up disabling the double dmg from shameless ig, at least for a while

[tough vapor]

idk, doesnt seem too bad, its still pretty much equal to perfect image

[spare kite]

that'd make them equal I believe? I don't remember the % of either

but yeah I was gonna say, just grab both lol

[tough vapor]

oh yeah, def

[spare kite]

you are already gonna go for daze probably so might as well take it at some point

[tough vapor]

yeah, my go to for no hit is thanatos with apollo and aphro focus, apollo attack primarily

the extra reach is just SO good

[spare kite]

dem and heph also safe

[bleak night]

Apollo is nice, but Hera is just way better imo

[tough vapor]

heph to me way more tank focus

[tough vapor]

I will need to try out tha hera attack some time

[spare kite]

mint condition is just busted lol

[tough vapor]

oh yeah, that IS busted

but i dont like risking adding him to the pool, just cause theres so much thats good from apollo and aphro

[spare kite]

you want to cap your pool tho

[tough vapor]

like the weaj magick gain feat and the boon that makes you deal extra dmg to weak targets

[spare kite]

otherwise you have all gods having an equal chance to show up

[tough vapor]

Ive never been super sure of how the pool works

[spare kite]

take god, add them to pool, once at 4, remove the rest

[tough vapor]

interesting

[spare kite]

arty/hermes/chaos/selene are their own thing so they don't care

[tough vapor]

is there anyway to help me get the hermes legendary? I just run into him so rarely its tough

or is it just RNGesus?

[spare kite]

yarn of ariadne increases legendary odds iirc?

don't waste your rerolls on the first hermes ofc

[tough vapor]

ofc

I mostly use my rerolls to get my prefered gods and avoid the gods that dont fit

[spare kite]

chaos's favor may increase too but I don't remember the specifics

may be just duo increase instead

[tall notch]

Only if the 4 god limit is a consideration for your build. In a hitless run, Aphro isn't really doing much with her curse giving damage reduction

[tough vapor]

true

but between shameless attitude, the weak dmg bonus/magick regen, and the healthy rebound in case of any chip dmg I take, she is great

actually aphro's infusion is great, any accidental hits the more air you havet he more chance to dodge it

((I am not super good at the game so I DO get hit occasionally even when trying to do a hitless run))

[bleak night]

What weap are you tryna do hitless on

[tough vapor]

than axe

axe is just my favourite weapon by far, I just love meaty swings

its why for a while I would do runs explicitly hoping for hell splitter

[tough vapor]

thinking about messing about trying a zues run with hera secondary to later get the duo boon for super zues boons, IIRC, zues does well with axe for proccing blitz quickly?

[rugged moon]

Can also just go massive cast focus with storm ring

Storm ring with like medea skull

[timber pawn]

probably persephone which is the cast focused skull

medea is the load-attack-into-dash weapon

[rugged moon]

Oop yeah said wrong one

Meant persephone

[tough vapor]

Or maybe charon axe, axe is my beloved

[trim shoal]

Replying to @bleak night in victory boasting channel, how much time is good enough to run heph keepsake in Oceanus, and what else should I run when I am low on time?

[bleak night]

Droplet helps in Fields if you're pinched for time, the sprint speed helps a lot, and the 20% attack speed is welcome

[past salmon]

Time left over from Erebus doesn't matter, Oceanus 1m 30s is like fine tbh even lower can be fine. Fields you really want about 2m extra after leaving. If you are too low on time leaving fields, it may be time to click the funny antler keepsake (or Lion fang if its not too bad but ur still worried about time)

[trim shoal]

I don’t trust myself to ever use antler honestly

[past salmon]

it's more like if you are leaving fields with less than a minute on the clock ur pretty much cooked without it regardless so may aswell try

Antler tart is also not really scary at all if you have trusty and mint

[trim shoal]

Chronos can be a bit of a (donkey) though so I don’t like the idea of 30 health, but I guess anything to beat the timer in that situation

[bleak night]

I've gone most of my 50F runs without Antler, so perhaps you won't have to either. I only run it when I'm desperate

[trim shoal]

Yeah, I still haven’t made it past Oceanus yet so that’s a future (hopefully tomorrow) problem lol

[surreal hazel]

Favour adds a fixed 10% to epic and legendary, regardless of how good the rare bonus is, yes

[tall notch]

Antler is speedrunner brainrot. I'd rather just go past the 20 minutes and use my HP to survive the ticks from going overtime

[heavy palm]

I like the "heck it" attitude that Antler brings. Makes me take risks I wouldn't take otherwise.

Often ends badly, but I learn something.

[spare kite]

"should've dps better"

[magic moss]

@trim shoal moving here before mods get mad https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r4pogNx7iZx0BBJ_WJOn8RYZ-qv-2oBiENXpLq1pjdg/edit#heading=h.mk48icw1p0cu

[trim shoal]

Ty

[trim shoal]

What is the best way to deal with every enemy spawning on complete opposite sides of the location quickly for vow of desperation purposes?

[rugged moon]

Depends, boonless erebus staff? Cry, considering giving up and retrying for better enemies, decide its not worth it, kill them as fast as can hitting as many as can with each hit and pray for chaos, nem and artemis rooms to make up time is my usual plan

Use omegas if its hippos because they are jerks

But like if have boons and stuff it depends

[past salmon]

try to kill the one's furthest from the exit first

Other than that there is not really a perfect answer, also prioritize enemies that run away

[rugged moon]

Minor thing ive been doing for time is try to mark collectable locations near the exit to or purple wells, because they pause time after you pick up the main reward and there is a delay for shop/door to open up and show whats there so can save time and be ready to pause if need to think before time starts

But thats like… quarter of a second savings and only on occasional rooms. Fun minigame tho

[obtuse dragon]

ngl the torches have hella grown on me
had a lot of trouble with them at first but i do love me some range

[novel granite]

Watery skull?

[cursive oyster]

probably not

[novel granite]

I can beat the game with no build whatsoever so it really doesn't matter.

[cursive oyster]

so true

[novel granite]

Heartbreaker + Sunny Disposition + Poseidon Sprint + Lucid gain + Beach ball = balls

Then Storm ring and killer current

then every duo in the game

[cursive oyster]

then play mel torches and get exceptional talent and triple helix

[novel granite]

So many balls across my screen.

[random rover]

What's the best speed running build?

[timber pawn]

Right now it's charon with sunny dispo

[random rover]

Oh, well perfect for me then.

Not much of a speed runner, so about how would you start that? I'd guess Apollo start, prioritize Lucid Gain, then shoot for Aphrodite in Oceanus, Metallic Droplet in Fields, and Antler in Tartarus?

[cursive oyster]

i think it’s also an option to take droplet in fields and keep it through tart but yeah seems to be the case i think

[timber pawn]

Yup generally, and ya heartbreaker does so much damage you can get away w droplet in tart too

[random rover]

11:30 first try with Charon. Room for improvement, but I'm pretty sure I should've taken Sorceress off.

[timber pawn]

Ya that is correct

[trim shoal]

I am doing a 40F run right now to practice for 50F, and I just left Erebus with 52 secs remaining, already have mint condition and have forsaken trusty shield (for epic mint) What keepsake should I take for Oceanus?

[magic moss]

how many dds?

[trim shoal]

3

[bleak night]

Barley Sheaf for Arctic Ring if you have no cast yet

[magic moss]

that or experimental hammer

[trim shoal]

I have both arctic ring and snow queen

[bleak night]

tf lol

[trim shoal]

Erebus was stacked af this run, idk why

[magic moss]

yeah you're in the vibe zone

i would say experimental hammer depending on the weapon or moon beam or fang ig but i would personally save fang for tart

or you could just take pin

[trim shoal]

Ok, thank you!

[bleak night]

have you just left your game running for 2 days or something

can I add you on Steam btw so I can watch your runs?

[trim shoal]

Sure

[gray garnet]

Anyone got any good Lim and Oros Artemis aspect builds? I’m trying to do the Chronos 24 fear testament on the Blades but I can’t seem to get it

[rugged moon]

Are you talking boons or arcana

[gray garnet]

Boons particularly

[magic moss]

what aspect and are you looking to just clear or to try out different kinds of builds

[gray garnet]

Artemis aspect, and I am looking to clear

[rugged moon]

Hestia keepsake, get flame strike, reroll mini for demeter, get artic ring, get duo, laugh to bank

[gray garnet]

Oh ok thanks!

I’ll try that out

[magic moss]

because if you're looking to just clear, then refer to the sheet for which boons are good. In general, blades have 2 endgame builds, either hera attack with lots of defensive boons to play hyper aggro or like Elliemental said Scorch attack with with Arctic Ring play for freezer burn

[rugged moon]

Flamestrike on any sister blade is just nuts cause of attack speed

[magic moss]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit?usp=sharing if you're looking to just clear

[gray garnet]

Ok thank you!

[rugged moon]

Keep in mind the sheet is a little biased just cause of stuff have to take to clear quickly but yeah, flamestrike with the dem/hes duo is just a boss killer, and artic ring is really nice for rooms anyway

[gray garnet]

Ah ok

Oh and also, do you guys have any good suggestions for what the best fears to activate are for 24 fear?

[magic moss]

aree you comfortable with timer3?

[gray garnet]

Hm I’d say I’m comfortable with timer 1, and I could probably do 2, but not 3

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1294476661714190409/image.png?ex=670b26d6&is=6709d556&hm=3553d33467b94e8a96d78d0e60f21cc190350685ff74284836cbbc7259b4f40f& timer2 but you could drop to timer1 and turn on dominance1 commotion1 or suffering1

[gray garnet]

Ok thank you!

[rugged moon]

Personally id go for revenant 2, its pretty easy

[past salmon]

Yeah but they are annoying

[void idol]

Folks i haven't touched this game since July, have there been any changes to the combat meta as a whole

[bleak night]

Not quite, though Suffering isn't as bad and Revenants are easier to deal with now

[nimble folio]

Finally finished the last Testament with the torches. The following boons turn those into a never-ending wave of death which was a lot of fun:
-Flutter Strike
-Hearth Gain
-Spirit Surge
-Split Strike
-Extra Dose
-Phase Shift (with the final upgrade increasing Critical chance during Hex)

Because Flutter Strike needs you to get in close, Spirit Surge also kicks in at the same time. Split Strike and Extra Dose mean there are double the projectiles with chances for extra damage, and with all of that damage, Hearth Gain means you can just hold down attack the whole time. (I also had Aph's Spirit Bubble, but things like that are just icing on the cake.)

This is the only run with torches that encouraged me to bum-rush every enemy. It was dope as hell.

[past mist]

gratz!

[tall notch]

They were a bit annoying before patch 4 but after that I think revs are easy

[worn oriole]

Currently attempting 55 Thanatos fellas (💀) made it to Hec phase 2 but ran out of time. Best time currently around minute 15? Is it really just good Erebus luck or am I bad

[magic moss]

its really good erebus luck, you got nothing else going for you outside of skip rooms and enemy spawn rng. Sure there are a lot of small optimizations but it really is just an RNG hellhole

[worn oriole]

Welp, guess more attempts in the thunderdome it is then (later)

[rugged moon]

Any good movement tips for blades? Im trying mel blades as next 50f and i cant not take absurd damage. Any time an armored spinner or screamer shows up (let alone the room when i get 10 simultaneous all armored)

[tranquil furnace]

Honestly for my first 50f blades clears on each aspect I think I used Apollo attack because my movement was poor, so I just made sure to have a longer attack radius and it went well

[tall notch]

Click the strength arcana and live despite taking absurd damage

(don't tell foolish about strength, it's forbidden knowledge in the 50f community)

[rugged moon]

I already use stength

[bleak night]

[tall notch]

You're laughing but strength carried me through Medea

[compact nest]

I was a strength believer when it was 3 grasp pre patch, but at 5 grasp I can't justify it

[past salmon]

it used to be 5 and now it's 4 you are thinking of origination

[gray garnet]

Tbh I didn’t really like strength either way

[compact nest]

Really? I swear it got nerfed in cost but prob thinking of that yeah

[gray garnet]

It didn’t really fit in to my build

Yeah mainly just bc having the buff only below 30% seemed pretty situational

[compact nest]

It seems horrible on paper until you realize how the math works out, especially once upgraded to 50%.

like its basically titan 2.0

[gray garnet]

Oh I didn’t think about upgrading it

Wait that’s actually a really good point

[compact nest]

yeah 30% and below wack. 50% and below is cooking, just expensive to fit imo

then again i am a bottom left enjoyer and that takes up like 1/3 of my budget automatically lmao

[tough vapor]

I find it funny, the death card works better with charon axe than it does thanatos axe

[spare kite]

Death doesn't work on charon tho

[bleak night]

Idt that works lol

[tough vapor]

this is so sad, I was so sure

[bleak night]

Yeah, I was hopeful as I tested some time ago, I get it

[tough vapor]

had weird idea, demeter poseidon build, get their infusions water fitness and frosty veneer with melinoe axe and frinos, go for health, and grab as many vengeance boons a you can, tanky HP race build

you race enemies to see who dies first ((tirtiary god likely aphro for healthy rebound))

[bleak night]

I think someone already had a 1.3k HP run sometime?

I forgot at this point

[random rover]

Have you ever just not noticed something super obvious for a really, really long time? I just now realized I could Riposte Chronos' Instakills with Aspect of Artemis.

[compact nest]

this is how i got my first win, cause my brain could not comprehend what to do with the closing circle, i thought i had to go to the center of the map but it kept hitting me so i just parried it to win lmao

[willow phoenix]

wait what lol. I just assumed this doesn't work

[bleak night]

Ye lol, it's fun

[random rover]

Same, but it does, lol

[willow phoenix]

and artemis dagger still can't parry poly for some reason

[random rover]

The parry rule is basically that you can't parry ground based waves, but death beams from the sky? No problem

[spare kite]

Any impervious effect works against the insta kill afaik

[random rover]

So no earthquake parries, but yes parry orbital death cannons.

[spare kite]

And if you are funny just iframe it or rely on dodge chance

[random rover]

I've only managed to i-frame it a few times, but I guess it can't be too terribly difficult if I've done it in the few times I've needed to try.

[bleak night]

Why iframe it when I can assert dominance and eat the 1990 damage and still win

[random rover]

THis is why we have Engraved Pin, after all.

[cursive oyster]

why iframe it when you could just be good enough at p1 to have lover charges left over

[spare kite]

I don't do it for the value, is for the love of the game o7

[rugged moon]

Why iframe it when you can have frosty veneer and just take 15 damage instead

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1256288663294185472/IDIOT.mp4?ex=670ca13e&is=670b4fbe&hm=f64bb924b5a7e6c3c0fe354cc5ffbb271e3393e8a7aef4c3a6cdb701e8d1746a&

[random rover]

I feel that in my bones.

[compact nest]

me earlier when i slowed time with an omega attack inside the instakill safety bubble, but the VFX and actual attack became desynced

the arena went back to normal so i walked out, just to get damaged a second later

[warped egret]

Orbital death lasers are just bigger versions of normal missiles if u think about it.. I should be able to parry nukes 🙏

[trim shoal]

I am very confused as to when you can block those screaming ghost dudes that run at you in erebus, like it sometimes cancels the scream, but sometimes doesnt

[compact nest]

Anything that staggers stops their screaming, unless they are armored. Then you need to break the armor or stun them by some means, usually freeze

[trim shoal]

Oh ok i bet they were armored

[trim shoal]

I am in fields with zero DD on a 40F run, should I take survive or evade from echo?

[bleak night]

...Survive

[trim shoal]

Ty

died at chronos :(

[muted tangle]

That's okay!

[bleak night]

No biggie

[trim shoal]

i had to use antler because i had like 5 minutes and got hit, good progress though

[bleak night]

I think Droplet is also fine if you aren't used to Antler yet

tho I usually use up Droplet in Fields

[magic moss]

if you’re low on time (so bout <1:30 coming out of oceanus), take droplet on fields and fang on tart if you arent used to antler in tart

antler tart should really only be used in worst case scenarios (so you ran out of time in fields but still beat cerb) or you speedrunning

[bleak night]

if you get lucky and get Cherished Heirloom, Lion Fang becomes funny because it just doesnt fall off in Tart

35% damage boost vs Chronos is still pretty funny

[magic moss]

fang is still a 25% dmg amp into chronos even without hierloom

[bleak night]

wait isn't it 45%

[magic moss]

starts 50 falls 5% per encounter iirc

[bleak night]

because rank 4 Fang is 70% and all

[magic moss]

yeah i was talking about rank 3