#h2-builds-and-combat

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sage flame
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I ask this in a way mostly for feedback and not to sound mean I promise lol, what did you think its gameplay loop was?

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like elongated casts for zoning or damage with stuff like storm ring?

cosmic wagon
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Ok i thought cleave meant that it was my basic attack so i thought it had to do with big axe swings

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I litteraly didnt even touch axe up until this point lol

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ok which cast do i want?

spare kite
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any that can give you origination

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if you want origination from your cast alone you can do non-dem cast + cyclones

limpid coral
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in oceanus, can midboss be only offered once?

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if so that seems like a bug, i got minor minor boon shop/midboss minor minor/npc major, only one midboss

uneven palm
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It can, but it doesn’t seem to be guaranteed. I’ve gotten the rat in the room just before the end shop after seeing another mid boss offer

fair narwhal
limpid coral
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i see

past salmon
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but if you see a second midboss it's like all but guaranteed to be uh oh so thas cool ig

fair narwhal
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that is super cool

past salmon
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I think it's technically possible for ur first midboss to have been Uh oh so it's probs not guaranteed fully but likely

fair narwhal
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just another gamble to get more dopamine in the veins

split igloo
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Anybody known what category of boon scales moros blast damage?

limpid coral
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attack

radiant stirrup
cursive oyster
cursive oyster
radiant stirrup
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perfectly necessary

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I ended up getting static shock and master conductor too. wasnt even going for any other gods, just let the game give me whatever

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also had aphro legendary

cursive oyster
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aphro legendary plus glamour gain will never stop being funny to me

devout ermine
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I recently got really comfortable with Ygnium and I want to try out the argent skull, any suggestions on how to use it / build it?

tall notch
devout ermine
magic moss
polar gazelle
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Ok

magic moss
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oh yeah i absolutely love the staff XDD

tall notch
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Out of all the 50 fears I did so far, manaless staff was one of the favourites

past salmon
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ur actually a freak cold 😭

magic moss
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bro staff is great

past salmon
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-Worst overall weapon
Keep coping 😭

tall notch
tall notch
past salmon
tall notch
past salmon
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well you aren't real so idrc 😭

tall notch
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😭

past salmon
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brother you think Charon is bad I ain't listening to your opinions anymore pepelmao

tall notch
past salmon
tall notch
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Eos on the other hand... now that's a sick aspect

sage flame
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how to cope with feeling like your getting better but still not being able to get out of erebus

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(50F)

limpid coral
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get better room rng 👍

sage flame
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this is true

limpid coral
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(if you don't get at least midboss midshop arachne its prolly joever)

sage flame
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and less spindle rooms pls

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but thats personal

past salmon
sage flame
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i have 2 and a half hours of me dying lmao

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half of my problem is running into attacks way too often

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and the other half is like uhhh general not killing things fast enough

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and using the daggers cause i like em the best

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as krauser from re4 would say: sloppy!

limpid coral
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what keepsake are you using

sage flame
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god keepsake

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hestia or hera generally

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ive considered droplet to start

past salmon
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dont

limpid coral
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try arctic ring bouldy

sage flame
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but my funny engagment ring

past salmon
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please don't the gambling keepsake starts 😭

limpid coral
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i go arctic ring z1 and then hera attack z2 if i didn't rng into it

echo island
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what keepsakes do you guys recommend for beginners? i only have a few of the gods and don’t know weather i should give necter to odysseus, nemesis or hecate for now, i just started the game yesterday and i’m stuck in oceanus 😭

sage flame
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depending on what youre stuck on

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is it the boss? then od is good

echo island
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ive only made it to the first 3 chambers and i’ve been getting stuck on the pinheads mostly and how theres so many of them

sage flame
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hecate gives magick regen

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and nem gives bonus damage to the last enemy that killed you :)

echo island
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okay TYSM!!

gloomy imp
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Is suffering 1 blood 1 better than blood 2

magic moss
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no

gloomy imp
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There goes my attempt to use suffering

limpid coral
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if you take damage 3 or more times in a room then suffering was better
if there is a convenient trap to walk into then suffering is better

sage flame
magic moss
ruby karma
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Do Moros explosions increase in damage based on your attack boon? Like would Apollo do more damage than Demeter?

spare kite
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they also count as normal attacks so you should use the huntress arcana

ruby karma
worthy epoch
magic moss
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AND YOU RECORDED my goat zagluv

worthy epoch
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took forever cause i havent uploaded a video in years so i forgot how LOL

west summit
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I think Rare Crop could use a buff

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The time at which it’d benefit you sufficiently is way too specific.

cloud fog
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im an idiot

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i have Vow of arrogance on. didnt remove arcana cards that increase chance of rare boons

spare kite
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Time to hunt for poms dusa

cloud fog
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I DID IT!!! 16F!!!!!

limpid coral
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damn is lovers still bugged to sometimes not block an instance of damage

fallow sundial
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what are the best gods/keepsake/weapon? i just got the game i been using the staff over the blades

sage flame
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there's no real best, it's all build dependent really

tall notch
tired fulcrum
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I love oceanus spawns

cunning pollen
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damn, rip

steel coral
tall notch
limpid coral
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its been 4 big patches and boulders haven't been touched maaaaaaan

tall notch
limpid coral
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real

fair narwhal
fallow sundial
limpid coral
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alright that's 2 runs in a row where hecates ring attack just ignores lovers LOL

sage flame
vale gate
fallow sundial
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should i get the flames or axe

steel sequoia
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play everything

tall notch
fallow sundial
split igloo
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Is there any word of more movement tech beyond dash and sprint in the future?

magic moss
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sheet has been updated for today

sage flame
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.16 seconds for boated to be 3rd fastest is wild

fair narwhal
heady sapphire
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Is there a website where people share fun to play builds etc that we can try out? New to the game and still learning the ins and outs of building a good run so would be great to try some pre built ones out.

sage flame
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the chaos trials could give some good ideas, if you've unlocked those yet

limpid coral
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I hate how you can do the second axe swing, start sprinting, click, and it still decides ah yes big chop

sage flame
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so real honestly

tall notch
bright token
heady sapphire
sage flame
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not all of them, they just give you vague ideas of types of runs you can aim for

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there's ones about going fast, at least one centered around a duo boon, one about revenge boons, different types of ways to use your weapons attacks and specials

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p good variety honestly

bright token
tall notch
past salmon
bright token
tired fulcrum
twilit junco
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what does the rarity of a boon actually do

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im asking for the rare crop boon witch makes 2 random boons you already have common and then after 3 encounters they go up one rarity but what does this actually do?

stuck ether
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It increases the strength
Usually increasing damage

twilit junco
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alright thank you

cloud fog
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why is charybdis such a pain ffs >.<

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keeps melting me while im trying to get 16F upper path

steel sequoia
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carybdis is kinda easy when you get the patterns, stick in the lower right corner to avoid the balls blowing

cloud fog
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Okay, thank you for the tip

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no issues with out F but the damage is overwhelming and my reactions aren't sharp enough, yet

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didn't know staying bottom right helped avoid so ty!

steel sequoia
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just bait the tentacles swing and hit after it, dont rush the crab, you might take no damage when you get the patterns

steel sequoia
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i need to go back playing, need to separate some time, i might be sucking hard now zaglol

severe fossil
past salmon
odd ruin
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question, does swapping boons remove the previous god from the pool?

vale gate
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no

odd ruin
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ok, thats good to know thanks

median laurel
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just unlocked the full arcana (except upgrades), what would be the best arcana set-up that should on average work for all weapons?

vale gate
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how do hippos hit me without hitting me

vale gate
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how do you beat those oceanus rooms with 3984 radar guys

cunning pollen
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they have urine-poor hp, so ranged murder is the name of the game. it's somewhat merciful that a mass sopspindle room usually has almost no other enemy types

tall notch
vale gate
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am doing than axe

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just lost 2 dds there despairge it was an arty room

sage flame
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spindles my detested

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enemy of my blades 50f runs

cunning pollen
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it's interesting how certain oceanus enemies encourage you to actually walk

vale gate
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maybe this is the run hmmge out of oceanus with 3 mins on clock

tall notch
vale gate
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yeah i didnt realize it was an arty room or i wouldve taken 2 hours if i had to

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how long should a cerby fight with decent build take

mellow rover
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I'm trying to clear the surface on 32. I'm using Thanatos axe with Aphrodite's Keepsake, rerolling for flutter strike, then focusing on getting origination with any cast boon that implements a status effect and probably a dash that does the same. Or ideally cyclone so the cast just does everything- anything in the cast gets origination + furies + the damage from the cyclone. No magic build so I can prime everything with impunity. This is working well in that I'm consistently getting to Eris, sometimes with a DD left (the most recent time with 2!) But I just can't make any progress against Eris herself. She moves around too much for me to get her in the cast and get more than one or two swings and the field gets so full of fire that I usually can't get behind her without standing in the flames. Plus she just does insane amounts of damage to me.

I was beating her pretty easily on lower fears I'm not sure why she's ginving me so much trouble now. Anyone have advice?

sage flame
vale gate
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so real

tall notch
vale gate
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ive finally graduated from 'keep timing out hard in erebus' to 'slowly lose dds throughout the run to finally die in fields'

tall notch
vale gate
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oh i did get the refilled

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i just lost all 3 to cerberus

tall notch
vale gate
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i had 5 mins on timer, i died with 2:30 left on timer and 60% of cerby hp gone

sage flame
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what did you do to stop timing out in erebus consistently? just getting better in general?

vale gate
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basically yeah

sage flame
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damn

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  • omg I didn't mean to add the "you"
vale gate
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whar

sage flame
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nuthin

vale gate
sage flame
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keyboard correct silly

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it auto completed to "damn you" :(

vale gate
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oh lmfao didnt see it

sage flame
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yuh but yeah I be taking a morbillion damages in erebus because I dash too much into stuff

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the only time where im like yeah maybe a controller would help a bit

vale gate
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oh yes i am doing that instead

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trading hp for time 😩

sage flame
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and by stuff lets just say myspindle

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also hippo balls instantly hitting you when you're behind them

tall notch
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Something that helped me tank a lot less damage on Than is remembering that the range on it is fairy generous and that I can use casts to group things and blast them without getting hit myself

vale gate
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today i learnt hippo projectiles actually have aoe

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which is complete bs

sage flame
vale gate
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everyone is a blades hater

sage flame
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😩

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mel blades carried me to 40 fear I'll be damned if they're not my first 50 fear

past salmon
tall notch
# sage flame any tips for blades or are you a blades hater

The multi-strike part of the combo and the ending slice have a good amount of aoe which you can take to your advantage. Also this might be a controversial take but I think playing strength+weak on blades so that you can afford to tank hits is a valid way of playing the weapon

tall notch
sage flame
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yeah I do try to do footsies with the large groups of spinners with my cast and the final two attacks of the combo also I've thought about strength but don't know what I would sub out

past salmon
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don't do strength unless u want to reset 29 times just to get a doable run only Coldshade is mentally unstable enough to use that arcana setup

sage flame
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i see 💀

mellow rover
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my first clear was blades

tall notch
mellow rover
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they were my favorite until I unlocked Than axe

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Its so funny cause in Hades 1 I loved the bow but in Hades two I can't get the hang of any of the ranged options

sage flame
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I am a messenger user at least

glacial robin
vale gate
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funny how the next 2 doors are known too

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3*

past salmon
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yeh if you grab Chaos just before endshop and take the hidden rooms you get endshop-scylla-fountainroom-prebiome-first room of fields

So you can just eat 5 for free its very good

glacial robin
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yeah it was truly lucky FeelsGladMan love free extra attack damage on the axe

gilded swift
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https://imgur.com/a/E8gYTBZ
had fun playing this lol
Got the poseidon/aphro duo on my 2nd pickup
Pretty much just throw cast and run around while the perma burn kills everything, was especially fun seeing cerberus and chronos go down with it xD

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vale gate
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i have a no damage than 48 savestate at chronos of anyone wants it

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0 hammers and primed out huntres

median laurel
vale gate
heady sapphire
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Is there a website or some place that we share fun builds to try out and such? I made a sprint to win build with Heph & Zeus and they were incredibly fun, looking for more interesting combos etc.

left sentinel
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Had a bad Charon run last night - grabbed the one "special attacks twice but higher mana cost" hammer without the mana regen to support. Died to phase 2 Chronos. What is the default early god to go for with Charon axe, Apollo? And which other gods are recommended?

tired fulcrum
elfin ivy
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So I've been really curious about how the games calculate damage numbers and have come up with two theories. I'd like someone more educated than me to confirm which one is happening:

Let's say an attack does 10 dmg. We get a 100% buff from Apollo and a 60% buff from Chaos.

As a result, one of two things happen:
A) The game combines all those numbers and simply buffs the attack by 160%, resulting in 26 dmg
B) The game applies both buffs separately and adds them to the base number, so we end up with 10 + 20 + 16 = 46
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Is it A or B? Or neither?

uneven palm
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the first. base damage x all damage boosts (additive) to that damage

dawn cape
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So, what's the gain boon tier list look like now? I've honestly started favoring ionic gain over born gain, it's very strong and also fun

elfin ivy
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I think it'll always depend on your weapon. For example if you use Glamor/Hearth Gain with the Blades, you can just stop paying attention to the Magick bar entirely

radiant stirrup
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does executioners chop combo with hell splitter? is it just on every hit?

dawn cape
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Yeah, definitely much better balance overall

uneven palm
dawn cape
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Demeter's gain is a bit on the weak side but the high gain rate means it's not exactly terrible

elfin ivy
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Never really digged Demeter's gain tbh, tho I'm one of those people that always likes breaking their PBs, so stopping for 1+ secs is just unappealing to me

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Say what weapon are you using? thanthink

dawn cape
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Fixed Gain could probably use a rework though, my suggestion would be have a fixed "+5 magick per point of damage taken" with significant scaling damage reduction based on the percentage of missing magick you have

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Instead of just being "I'm going to only get magick if I'm taking damage and I'm still taking most of that damage", that would actually give enough DR to make the gain sustainable if you're able to use a bit of tactics (say, opening up a fight with omega moves to get your magick low, then going in and brawling with basic moves since you have heavy DR and can tank a hit or two

cloud scarab
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are boons that you give up back in the pool and could be picked up again in the same run ?

uneven palm
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how do you mean give up? like with Burnt Offering from Hestia?

cloud scarab
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yeah or the Hera / Zeus duo

uneven palm
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Yeah you can get them again

vale gate
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i have rapid slash on than axe do i take hell splitter or unyeilding

radiant stirrup
uneven palm
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Apollo big chop is hysterical

vale gate
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thats sounds fun

radiant stirrup
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it was insane, though I cant tell if extra dose triggers for both hits or just one at a time

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but I could basically do one chop and hit 4 times at max with executioners chop and extra dose

vale gate
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i lost this

radiant stirrup
tired fulcrum
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Not picking hell splitter zageyes

sage flame
# dawn cape Fixed Gain could probably use a rework though, my suggestion would be have a fix...

yeah the problem with fixed gain is that it's fundamentally not good. magick is too common a resource to need to gate it behind taking damage. yeah you take damage all the time in this game but compared to every other gain you either have control over when you get magick (ionic, tranquil, lucid) or it's insanely easy to get your magick back just through the normal gameplay loop (hearth, born, glamour, fluid). you can texhn put fixed gain in the second camp but youre relying on a thing you try to avoid. doubling down on DR won't solve that issue. it's the same reason why people don't really like the revenge boons compared to any other boon a god can offer

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it's a fun gimmick but overall not great

vale glen
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hi what build could I go for to first time beat chronos? I dont have aspects unlocked yet

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I tried doing witch's staff with double projectile hammer and poseidon special, it dealt really nice damage but by the third area the scaling really ruined it and it dealt almost no damage

tired fulcrum
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Staff special kinda sucks after the nerf better to go for an attack focused build with scorch and the dem hestia duo

vale glen
past salmon
vale glen
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is apollo axe still any good?

vale gate
past salmon
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😭 ?

tired fulcrum
steel sequoia
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the fun part of the game is dying and discovering stuff and than you get good

limpid coral
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guy's playing 50

tired fulcrum
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Actually you can have charon axe unlocked before beating chronos right, just use that

vale glen
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I'm really confused, I've been playing for around 13 hours and I still didn't even get a concoction to see relationship levels on characters

vale gate
tired fulcrum
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Well the only other duo that youd care about that much is prob hailstorm but thats also a dem duo

steel sequoia
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@vale glen just play until you can grasp the arcana Eternity to lvl 3

tired fulcrum
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Or just win

vale glen
steel sequoia
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when you have three you prolly get chronos

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but search for zeus Static Shock, and demeter and hera duos with your hestia staff

vale glen
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I don't have either unlocked yet

steel sequoia
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just play than, enjoy the game lmao ive got my chronos with 55hs or something

vale glen
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55? jesus

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I almost got him at ten hours but he did some attack I didn't know how to dodge lmao

steel sequoia
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its eventually gonna get easier dont worry

vale glen
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what hammers are good on hestia staff?

steel sequoia
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unless ur another crazy person who wanna do like 50f later

vale glen
steel sequoia
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Wicked Thrasher, Extending Wallop, Mirrored Thrasher, Rapid Thrasher, anything you get its good

vale glen
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lmaooo demeter showed up

steel sequoia
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busy now, gl

tired fulcrum
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I hope you have nectar

vale glen
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I do

limpid coral
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lol if a rat summoner is frozen at the start of its tail spin attack and you touch it you die

vale gate
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i had something similar happen with chronos disk throw

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i used a hex while touching the edge of the disk, and it froze/slowed odwn time like it does on startup

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since i was touching it it hit me thrice while frozen

mellow rover
left sentinel
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Do folks shooting for ~16 fear clears do the 40% enemy speed modifier? I felt way overwhelmed versus that but figure Id dip my toe into it

mellow rover
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I think the community is pretty split on it

steel sequoia
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i dont think so, 16 fear is low you can get so many easier stuff

past salmon
spare kite
steel sequoia
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i play the basic 12 fear so i dont get rusted:

desperation 2
wandering 2
fury2

maybe adding some easy free fear to that works

left sentinel
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thats what my mindset was. Develop the muscle memory early

spare kite
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But for like 20-24 (max for bounties) I'd say you can get away w/o it

left sentinel
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yeah Ill try that, Im only 8 atm

steel sequoia
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oh he meant fury2, i was confused srry

left sentinel
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cool, ty

spare kite
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If you wanna do 32+ yes practice

steel sequoia
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i suggest lock in the 3 i mentioned asap if you wanna practice

left sentinel
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sounds good, will run them tonight

vale glen
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what kinda build could I do with the blades? seems like hook knives got nerfed

limpid coral
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get wicked onslaught win game

vale glen
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is it a hammer?

limpid coral
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yes

vale glen
limpid coral
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anything thats not heph will be fine

steel sequoia
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tbh if you playing less than 16f you can win with almost anything so just try stuff MelGrin

vale glen
steel sequoia
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but i have fun, the game is awesome MelGrin

twilit junco
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is there a weapon after the skull?

limpid coral
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not currently

left sentinel
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lmao finally got that heart throb + appollo duo etc cooking

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with charons axe + apollos mana regen, hot damn

sage flame
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thats the one

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the build tm

left sentinel
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yeah, wild stuff. Thats a fear 10 down at least, I'll keep it rolling from there

empty spear
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I feel like I really haven't gotten to the point in hades 2 yet with crazy boons and synchronistic builds that I am at with the hades 1 mechanics, anyone have any tips on what is some good stuff to try to focus on getting for good builds? also any advice on using the umbral flames, I don't know what gods and boons really work well for them

gilded trail
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I'm also a noob, for what it's worth. What I've found is that the staff, the axe, and the skull - big/quick damage that allows a cadence of dash - works for me. And then it's a matter of finding boons that mainly boost main damage, and hammers that multiply that.

And then, what's next for me is going the scorch route - if you can stack it, with other boons of hers that rocket the cast, or the sprint that destroys projectiles, or Duo boons that multiply scorch damage while you stack them / apply other curses. You get a ton of ranged damage, while you dash in and out to do big damage as well.

What I haven't really grasped is the blades and the torches. I suppose blades can also fit in the above formula if I find a couple hammers for the special (returns to you + more special blades + scorch on special), but the torches remain kind of not-great for me. I'm trying to learn it but my skills aren't there yet 🙂

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Again, just words from another noob. And so, I wish you the best but mainly this game is very much skill-based, and I admit that I'll still need more training 😅 and I have faith that you'll rise above me and do well! ❤️

cloud fog
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Question fam

How difficulty is the jump from 16F to 32F

  • should I jump straight up and just accept the learning curve? Or should I just add a few extra F at a time so not to get overwhelmed?
  • Should I finish 16F on all weapons before increasing, or just play what I enjoy weapon wise and stick with builds I'm comfortable with?

Thanks!

severe fossil
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Just go 40

cloud fog
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Someone laugh reacted that and that makes me nervous, lol

split igloo
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well you were nervous about jumping from 16 to 32. So i think a jump to 40 instead should make you nervous.

cloud fog
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Well, it does, but that's because of a skill issue.

split igloo
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then you already have your answer 😄
Why not try a run at 32 and see how it goes? Should be an easy decision then. I can't speak for your skill level as we have no frame of reference, so you're gonna have to trial-and-error it to see if you made the right choice.

Personally, i dislike activating a few of the Fears as the difficulty curve goes up a little too 90⁰ for me to handle unlike many other Fears

cloud fog
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Cool, that makes sense. I even swapped out some fears at 16 because they felt too steep.

Thanks!

cloud fog
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yeah nope. got 3 stages past hecate and ded

unkempt shuttle
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hi im new only beat cerberos make a few runs like 5 or 6,i play a lot of bow on hades 1 any recomend weapon that haver simiular playstyle? and what god should i search? im playing currently the double torch

twin bolt
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Can somebody explain to me how Hera's legendary interact with fixed gain (heph gain)?

cunning pollen
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I doesn't

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You can't get her Legendary if you have Fixed Gain

twin bolt
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Well that's lame

cunning pollen
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that's how much she doesn't like him

twin bolt
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I wanted to do a revenge run where I take Zeus, Apollo and Hera revenge and legendary Hera and thought what god would be great at 4th place

cunning pollen
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I guess her own Born Gain, pommed up

surreal hazel
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Depends what weapon you're using

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Hearth gain with staff or daggers can easily supply enough to keep up brave face

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Lucid charon is lucid charon

twin bolt
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Is there somewhere an info about when boons are locking other boons

cunning pollen
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for some it's just in the code

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for others, there's an incantation for opening up boon info in the Codex with prereqs for boons

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if you don't have the prereqs, that boon is locked, essentially

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but there's some tricky stuff like Demeter's omega attack empowerment and Apollo's Daze on attack that explicitly require any attack boon, and I don't think that's listed in the codex

tall notch
lyric mauve
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does the knife hammer that makes your omega specials all fire in a straight line become basically a downgrade for aspect of pan?

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I got it from experimental hammer and multiple times when I tried using my omega special it would home onto a different enemy than the one I aimed at because i had a cast nearby, and then it just had all of the knives flying in a circle, never hitting due to how fast they were flying

left sentinel
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hmm... didnt realize Huntress was for non-omegas only. May have freed up enough arcana for Boatman and the extra rolls

cursive oyster
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just don’t use your cast ig

surreal hazel
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Yeah, the cast homing gets in the way

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But 10 knives at full danage on a single target is probably the best long range burst damage going on a single taget

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Dancing knives helps spread them out if that's a concern

desert sail
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If I turn on hold to attack in settings, how do I use omega attacks?

dapper hill
soft forge
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...I just now realized that the main purpose of the Cast is to restrain enemies...

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I have not been using it for that. I think I did at the start, but forgot when I saw that boons can give it DPS.

magic moss
soft forge
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Thank you, Bouldy.

tall notch
soft forge
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Also, the folks who said "hey, the no-Arcana oath is super duper penalizing" were very correct. I severely underestimated how impactful it was. I did 20 some attempts with it on and didn't get past Scylla on 32 Fear. Now I am fighting Cerberus on 32 Fear. Getting my butt kicked. But it's a definite improvement

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Also, not taking the flat damage increase Oath has helped me a lot. It seems that my mistakes-per-minute rate is fairly constant. So a flat damage increase hurts me personally a lot more than the other options in that style.

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Also, I stand by my opinion/observation that the time trial Oath is especially hard for me. I've been consistantly getting down to the last 15-60 seconds on the 9 minute timer.

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I gotta figure something to switch out the "more damage on first hit" Oath. The Onion Oath isn't as bad as I expected. Potentially useful for consistent starts, as it means there is no chance of starting with a Boon that is counter to your style or strategy. But I think the god-specific keepsakes can function much the same. I ought try that.

limpid coral
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what makes you think getting a boon in room 1 instead of room 3 increases the chance of starting with a Boon that is counter to your style or strategy

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(and what does that even mean ???)

soft forge
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My current strategy is using the Thanatos Axe variant because it has less of a downside to losing all arcana and starting each round with less magic. Its base damage and speed and AOE are decent, and doesn't require the Omega spam.

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My strategy is specifically trying not to do the Omega spam, as my opinion is that without Arcana and lots of Magick, it requires too much support that can't be reasonably guaranteed.

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Whereas taking the more widely available damage buffs are always good.

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So being able to guarantee that there is no Moon boon at the start is useful to me. And I think several gods' boons lean on Omega effects more than others. So I'm thinking a reliable 0% of counter-productive builds is better than the chance of sometimes counter-productive boons/sometimes useful boons. That is to say, I'd rather go into an attempt with no chance to impact my (to me) acceptable weapon than have a chance to get non-synergistic stuff.

But now that I explain it out like this, I realize I am wrong and silly. Thank you for pointing out the error in my thinking!

limpid coral
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no prob 👍

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also, I'm not sure if you're aware but god keepsake guarantees room 1 is that god's boon (and if onion, the next boon on a door is that god)

soft forge
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I did not know this! Thank you.

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Is there a general opinion on Zeus' Blitz ability? I'm not fond of it on first glance.

limpid coral
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torch blades staff or medea special

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their base damage is low so you dont want to click them often so blitz is good
medea likes it cause attack -> special pops it immediately so its just like +200 or something to your basic attack rotation

soft forge
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I just did some math, and with the Thanatos Axe, Blitz is pretty good. Takes 2-3 hits to active Blitz, which works out to about a 66% damage increase. Interesting.

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Thank you for your advice.

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Are there thoughts on the Crystal Figurine keepsake?

tired fulcrum
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Pretty garbo

limpid coral
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on melee axe start hera attack
piggy sucks, rather take hammer if you wanna gamba

soft forge
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Does the figurine only activate once? Does it get around the no-arcana effect?

soft forge
limpid coral
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if you're gonna click abandon and play erebus dozens of times hoping to hit judgement then you can I guess bouldy

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hitch is broken

tired fulcrum
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Nice %, hitch good for killing lots of stuff and origination

limpid coral
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it takes only 2 enemies hitched to be more dps than aphro attack
dying wish and hereditary bane scale it up even better

soft forge
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Aye, it is strong vs large numbers of enemies, which is what high Fear runs tend to give. But it seems less effective against most of the Guardians, cause they don't spam a lot of buddies. So I suppose I can think of the tradeup being "easier to get to Chronos" vs "a weapon better suited to beat him". Hmmmm. My first inclination is Aphrodite, cause her high % increase is effective on a weapon with high base damage.

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Imma do an attempt with the Hera keepsake, based on y'all's recommendation. I appreciate the input.

limpid coral
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you did say that you are losing hp in rooms often
also axe is broken vs chronos just tap special when hes about to swing at you bouldy

soft forge
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Is there a max dodge % chance?

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AHHH I can't decide between Daedelus or Hermes... Hermes! He gives generally good things for what I'm tryna do.

sage flame
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wait playing abandon for 32 fear? like for funsies?

soft forge
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Also I made a critical error with this attempt! The DPS from my cast and special is not nearly enough to compensate for not using my base attack. And uhhhhh I took the Chaos deal that damages you when you attack. Mistaaaaaaaaaake.

limpid coral
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chaos isn't real it can't kill you

tired fulcrum
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True bouldy

soft forge
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Turns out the range on the axe special is bonkers super short. Which makes sense.

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I am less skilled than I thought. I cannot do even the 9 minute timer with the other effects in place. One more attempt!

magic moss
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bro played abandon on 32F?

limpid coral
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have you turned your device off and on againare you taking side rooms in tart

soft forge
soft forge
magic moss
sage flame
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I mean respect for even picking abandon, I haven't done that at all, only time I do no arcana are fresh file attempts

limpid coral
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well something is going very wrong if you are taking 27 minutes to beat cerb on 32f

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take midshops npcs midbosses if you aren't already

soft forge
soft forge
limpid coral
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well there ya go 👍

soft forge
# limpid coral well there ya go 👍

Also, you were right about Hitch+Axe. It works beautifully for me. I have it on my main attack now, which suits me well. I tend to prefer a bonk-oriented play style.

vale gate
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ngl tho starting r1 with heroic aphro strike hits different

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when playing without rebuke

soft forge
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Also, theory: the omega-type heal effect Daedelus upgrade for the witch's staff would synergize very well with the Revenant Oath and a Magick regen ability. Allowing you to spam the heal effect and farm health as long as there are enemies. If you're okay playing slow.

soft forge
rain hazel
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Whats the distance for aphro's "nearby foes"?

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Got a epic for staff special but gonna assume thats too much range to be worth.

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Also how does it work with the 3rd iteration where it leaves the omega orbs?

stuck ether
rain hazel
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Thankfully got a heroic hectate swap for it then lol

soft forge
#

Ahhhh nice. Hera's boon on my base attack with the Thanatos axe was very effective. I cleared her fight in about 7.5 minutes. Suggests I could do the 9 minute timer with this build.

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Took me one Death Defiancd, which sucks but is not too troublesome early on. Acceptable.

rain hazel
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What does the nights champion give?

spare kite
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Pride and accomplishment

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(same deal as skelly's prizes in h1)

rain hazel
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Oh, alright then lol. Been so long I cant remember the what the second part means

left sentinel
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Any ideas what mana recovery pairs well with Aspect of Pan? Or just "the usual". Presumably its Poseidon for special and hope for a good chaos boon for further damage

soft forge
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Once I get above 30 Fear, I think the Onion boon is most preferable for me of the options left.

tired fulcrum
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bouldy nah onion sucks

magic moss
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but with the new mana changes, hearth gain and ionic gain also work fine if you arent just playing cast special all the time

left sentinel
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Oh? Ive been starved on born gain a few times early on. edit: nm ionic is zsus

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Playing with enemy 40% speed I was thinking Aphro cast may work well, and due to pans special Apollos mana but thats a ton of rng to rely on

soft forge
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Anyone know if generically worded effects like Aphrodite's health-based damage up that says "You deal more damage" affects stuff like Blitz and Hitch and other such? Or only direct effects you produce like attacks/specials/casts/omega?

magic moss
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aphrodites dmg increase is global so yes

tired fulcrum
soft forge
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Aye aye, good to know. So very good if you have multiple sources of damage. Using all the buttons and lots of different gods' boons and such.

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Oof, Cerberus took 3 Death Defiances and left me with 7 hp. I think both I need to gitgud, and the hitch boons are less useful versus big, single, high dps and tanky targets. Like Cerberus and Chronos.

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Interesting the similarity of their fighting styles. I bet it's intentional. And even if not, it works well.

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Oh the onion oath is brutal in the last location. Oof. Big mistake to take the side rooms with it.

limpid coral
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forgor

magic moss
left sentinel
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Polyphemus has been kicking my butt lately on surface runs. lost 2 death defiances to him myself. Im sloppy on surface bosses tho Eris aside

soft forge
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Also, very neat discovery for me: Hitch synergizes very well with the soul heart Oath that gives enemies free hits. It seems that on-hit effects are still applied even if no damage is taken. Useful!

timber pawn
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There could be easier fear setups if you are interested, but if you want to do your own thing that is also totally fair

soft forge
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I will share my stuff shortly.

civic ocean
soft forge
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Intent is to focus on the good base DPS of the axe to not have to do Omega stuff, avoiding need to hunt for specific combinations. Rather focusing on durability and general damage.

magic moss
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no timer, no destitution 2, scars only on 1, commotion and dominance 3, no blood but suffering2, this is really a vow list of all time

limpid coral
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takes everything that makes timer hard
why is timer hard

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real

soft forge
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Timer is hard for me even with no Oaths. My fastest clear is like... 25 minutes.

limpid coral
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(ok in all seriousness commotion revs and rebuke will eat up your time AND your hp so uh. don't)

magic moss
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WAIT REBUKE2 ON AXE

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???????????????????/

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NO WONDER YOU STRUGGLE WITH TIMER

soft forge
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It is less brutal with the Hitch ability.

limpid coral
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pls think for 2 seconds whether rebuke or destitution and scars is worse

soft forge
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Actually works quite well. I was doing worse with the other Oath options.

magic moss
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i beg of you please drop rebuke2 for destitution2 and timer1

timber pawn
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You have picked a very challenging setup at the fear you are at, for the average player

civic ocean
soft forge
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Destitution and Scars are worse for me. I like heals and buying things.

limpid coral
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real

magic moss
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the kind of vows you're playing with are commonly seen on only 40+

timber pawn
limpid coral
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you like heals because you like taking damage bouldy

magic moss
soft forge
civic ocean
timber pawn
limpid coral
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to be fair pausing to not burn timer sucks I wish that wasnt a thing

soft forge
timber pawn
limpid coral
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yep

civic ocean
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Is there a good reason the timer doesn't stop when the last enemy dies

soft forge
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Anyways, tooooodiloooooooo

tired fulcrum
timber pawn
magic moss
tired fulcrum
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Desperation 1 residentzag

timber pawn
tired fulcrum
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Use charon problemo fixed thanthink

civic ocean
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Remember, Death Defiances and Centaur Hearts are not affected by Scars

turbid zealot
timber pawn
magic moss
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oh god what was I cooking when i first cleared holy moly XDD

civic ocean
soft forge
soft forge
uneven palm
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I had to put the controller down for a while when that onion popped out of the gold bag

civic ocean
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So another question related to this is "what does healing actually do?"

turbid zealot
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heal you

civic ocean
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In terms of your ability to win the run, what does it mean?

turbid zealot
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heals me?

civic ocean
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Why's that good, Pablo?

turbid zealot
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Depends, how far do you want to go with my bit

limpid coral
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Self Repair

soft forge
soft forge
# civic ocean In terms of your ability to win the run, what does it mean?

It means I don't lose. Going to 0hp is the failure state. And I am more confidant in my ability to win over a longer duration with more enemies but less individual damage, doing little bits of healing. As opposed to just not getting hit. I am being lazy about it and would rather not worry about 3 hits killing me. I like wiggle room and resiliance over trusting to my rad gamer skills.

civic ocean
limpid coral
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at least he's not taking blood instead of scars

magic moss
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at a certain fear level you have to sacrifice some amount of comfort in order to make the run easier in general, and 32F is around where that line is. It is the highest fear level that gives a reward. Healing is one such comfort that you typiocally have to sacrifice in order to reduce the difficulty, as if you never get hit then healing isnt required but increasing enemy hp or enemy spawn counts then you're more likely to take more damage than you would heal

soft forge
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I don't recall all the effects off the top of my head.

civic ocean
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Suffering 2 is the increased damage on the first hit suffered

heady skiff
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You know I'm not sure how much I like the existence of origination in this game
It's so powerful it feels like I pick gods and boons just for how well they apply origination and once it's satisfied I then conversely feel like a lot of gods/boons feel pointless and unimpactful
I get also that part of the point of origination is to encourage you to get multiple gods into your build, I'm not really sure how to fix this problem or if it's even a problem to fix

soft forge
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Ahh, yee. I am iffy about it. I dislike the increased damage. But based of my impression, the damage per fight is less than the amount of healing I'd miss out on. But I don't feel like calculating it. So IIIIIII won't. Cause lazy.

civic ocean
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Okay, well, will you believe us when we tell you it's not so, and try it out?

civic ocean
sage flame
heady skiff
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There really isn't a lot of healing in this game, I never felt like I was missing much turning up the reduced healing to 50% (though i did feel it at 100%)

soft forge
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It does make the boss fights hurt a lot more. Cerberus goes from like... 20ish damage to 60ish. Or more. But anways, nap time again.

sage flame
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secret technique engraved pin for free healing on max scars 😼

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(conditions may apply)

magic moss
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actually doing the math its 40 chambers no chronos + 5 (?) tart side rooms so min wayward healing is 180 so on avg ~250 healing assuming you fall below the threshold as well, + assuming all 7 fountains (4 midregion + 3 in betwee) healing off of max hp so on avg 40-50 each for a total of again ~300-400 + charon well items possibly and other healing sources for an extra ~50-100 give or take so you get about ~800 healing on an optimal god run with no scars, ~400 with scars 2, and ~150 in a more realistic run with scars2 enabled compared to ~600 with scars1 optimal and ~200 realistically most likely even less. Now when I say average im primarily just eyeballing it

turbid zealot
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this is a lot of discussion over healing

civic ocean
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See to me increasing my damage I can take before I die by 800 sounds pretty good

magic moss
civic ocean
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Right so from the 800 we work back into a different number, factor in how much extra damage every Vow deals, and figure it out from there.

tall notch
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hi there, what's the discussion about?

magic moss
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oh is that why you wanted to copy the sheet?

limpid coral
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expedition 👀 what could this mean

tired fulcrum
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Suffering 2 adds 0 extra damage taken, just get trusty shield bouldy

magic moss
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ah okok

haughty panther
tired fulcrum
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bouldy its prob fine with like a scorch build idk

stuck ether
tired fulcrum
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How to make everything free bouldy

tall notch
stuck ether
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With hera attack

magic moss
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small update to the sheet, im going to keep all first clears in the respective weapon sheet but put any repeats + first clears for those who cleared all 15 aspects in their own sheet as well

rain hazel
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Should I just get rid of slow on omega when doing timed runs? feels like more of a hindrance since the timer doesnt slow as well.

magic moss
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staff omega focus, artemis, moros, charon, and persephone all really want sorceress for safety, but othewise its not really needed

tall notch
magic moss
uneven palm
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I mean Sorceress only really slows you down if you start channeling too early and you’re waiting like many seconds for a boss to stop phasing. You were gonna channel anyway, you’re just slowing everything else down around you. It’s also a sneaky DPS boost since you hit things where you might miss and don’t have to dodge as much.

tall notch
uneven palm
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It’s a mixed blessing on Artemis imo like it stinks to be waiting to get hit but it feels great when you’re precision zorping around a crowd

glacial robin
cursive oyster
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prob just a skill issue but i think the damage taken penalty should be significantly reduced, the main issue being with taking vow of blood significantly reducing points, which feels counterintuitive. in my 40f run vow of blood gave 5 fear (500 points) and doubled the damage i took from chronos, losing 1500 points in the process. it feels counterintuitive, i shouldn’t lose points by making the run harder.

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very likely a skill issue but it feels bad

magic moss
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damn what a good day for 50F we got another 15/15 multiple unique clears and a new wr zagluv

left sentinel
#

any tips on what to look out for boon-wise on a Persephone run? Wanted to try that next to do all weapons at fear 16 before moving up

limpid coral
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hera special

odd moat
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poseidon cast

magic moss
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sheet has been updated for today

fair narwhal
#

I will get faster time I just started using than axe 😦

cursive oyster
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okay final nitpick i promise: the “highest damage dealt” box should include the sum of the top 3 damage dealers, or should be removed, as is this mechanic heavily incentivizes one button builds.

odd moat
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still waiting for fire walk beach ball tho

fair narwhal
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I’ll delay it a week just for you

odd moat
rain hazel
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What are your 16 fear setups?

cursive oyster
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glad i can help

rain hazel
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Wait a minute...does hitch on one enemy hit everyone around??

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ok doesnt say that. Does it apply to summons if boss has it?

cursive oyster
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oh wait nvm

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misunderstood sry

rain hazel
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I had hitch on scylla and it effected all the fish nearby without hitch.

limpid coral
#

did you have Rousing Reception

cursive oyster
limpid coral
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i know but the blue lines look similar

left sentinel
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Ugh I dont click at all with Persephone. Had the most frustraitng boon rng lol

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was legit tempted to slot the slow mana gain boon, was starved so often

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ugh nm, unseen is expensive

uneven palm
#

Persephone can use Unseen. It kinda sips magick

bright token
#

Is droplet active after you take another keepsake on the next floor?

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If it still has time left

uneven palm
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Pretty sure you lose the effect when you remove it, but I’m not 100% sure on that

past salmon
soft forge
#

I am loving the Apollo attack boon with the Thanatos axe. I think I like it better than the Hera attack boon. Increased AOE is very nice, allows me to kite enemies better.

stuck ether
#

Apollo attack is fun on axes

soft forge
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Gosh dang. I think the Apollo boon is gonna be my go-to for high Fear runs, if I don't beat Chronos on this go. I got to the third area in about 11 minutes, which is much faster than my usual.

Also, not doing the Onion Oath helps, I think.

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Anyone know if Aphrodite's Life Affirmation boon retroactively increases the HP gained from centaur hearts taken earlier?

uneven palm
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It does not

jovial stone
#

I still don't understand how Persephone's skull is supposed to work, could someone explain exactly how is it that it "extends the special up to 2 seconds"?

soft forge
tired fulcrum
left sentinel
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then I can at least drop huntress, which Im told doesnt work for omegas at all just natural specials/attacks?

past salmon
left sentinel
#

Gotcha, ty! Will keep that in mind 🙂

soft forge
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Lost to Chronos' phase 2. But this is the furthest I've gotten on 32 Fear. I think Apollo attack+Thanatos axe is the way to go for me.

mortal vine
#

what is the theoretical "best" arcana build that involves death defiance, the better odds at boons and duos and at least SOME MP regen, even tho I know Hera exists? I also want the charon gold arcana.

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the final right most bottom arcana is also not what I want to pick

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I realize that is it's own gimmick

soft forge
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Hoo boy, mkay. Gonna fight Chronos on 32 Fear. I was out of Death Defiance and feared I had 0 chance. But there was one for sale at Charon's shop. I have bonkers DPS, so let's see if I can avoid damage.

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I could not avoid enough damage! But this build strategy of mine seems to be working. Will post shortly.

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Is there a preferred format for sharing that stuff? I been typing it out. Doesn't seem to be a nice way to get a screenshot.

soft forge
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...oh dear. The "you lose boons options you don't take" is starting to bite me in the butt a bit. I gotta be careful how frequently I take certain gods' boons. I am currently forced into swapping out the Apollo attack boon I like so much.

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On the upside, I am tanky as heck. 350 health, recurring shields, multiple effects that ignore damage. Beautiful. I worry about the timer though. Gosh dang but it severely tanked my DPS.

soft forge
#

Alas, failed again. But closer, closer.

grave estuary
#

Huh, soot sprint really does no-sell Eris, doesn't it?

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Just got my 32f surface clear with very little damage taken in that fight

soft forge
#

Oh dang, that's good to know. Nicely done.

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Now that I am using Arcana on 32Fear, Imma take a look at weapons other than my beloved Zorephet

elfin ivy
#

Combine it with Sunny Disposition and Weed Killer (which means every max Omega Attack is now a guaranteed Heartthrob) and yeah you're a walking nuclear power plant now

sterile seal
#

guys, skulking slice or final slice?

ember gale
#

Is it intended that the twilight curse hex keeps Charybdis hostage so you can one cycle it?

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transformed tentacles just remain while it fires projectiles

tough pasture
elfin ivy
#

And Final can produce some nuts results if your attack is buffed enough on its own already

sterile seal
#

Final seems to delete stuff

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gonna try Skulking next👍

elfin ivy
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Yeah Final's pretty insane
Mix it with more AOE from Apollo and you may as well stab Chronos from Erebus no need to make it to Tartarus

lavish hare
#

So during a Guardian fight with the Lovers arcana (nullifies first x hits), does Vow of Suffering (extra damage taken on first hit suffered) apply to a hit that Lovers eats, or to the first hit taken after Lovers runs out?

limpid coral
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after

elfin ivy
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Yeah it's after unfortunately
Found out the hard way in that one Chaos Trial where Jetty one hit me after the guard was gone 💔

lavish hare
#

Ouch

radiant stirrup
#

is it just me or are all of my builds becoming Origination builds? every run its just always the best option

cursive oyster
surreal hazel
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1.5x pure damage multiplier is never bad

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And ultimately you're going to get two curses most runs

radiant stirrup
#

it just seems like everything else is less important. pick your boons that apply curses and hit things, and you can do it on pretty much any weapon

surreal hazel
limpid coral
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you can win on low fear by clicking statuses because you can win on low fear by clicking anything

abstract summit
#

I'm having trouble breaking the 12 minute mark for a run. Any tips? I typically go aphro and the axe because it can one shot most enemies in the first biome. Saving time there and doing pretty well in the water biome

surreal hazel
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You have like, really free curses like glamour gain

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And the various primary boons

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Scorch is a bit of a dark horse there because even scorch burndown damage benefits from origination

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E.g. an orange 80 scorch will do 120

radiant stirrup
#

not only is origination just the best, but there really isnt anything that comes close

surreal hazel
#

But you also have more awkward curses like vent and blitz

surreal hazel
#

They'd have to introduce some kind of arcana reverse cards like the green talents in hades 1 for anything else to even be considered

radiant stirrup
#

if there was maybe like one or two other powerful effects like origination then more builds would be discovered, but at the same time it could also be unbalanced if you activate them at the same time

limpid coral
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@ foolish

surreal hazel
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I think there is scope for 25 alternate arcana, maybe we'll see it

limpid coral
#

us running 50 with boatman over origination 🙃

radiant stirrup
surreal hazel
#

Where even judgement cannot activate both sides at once

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Or maybe it should to make it utterly bananas

radiant stirrup
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I think thats a good idea, the mirror was effective at different playstyles because you had to choose one or the other. in this game you can just choose whatever you want up to the grasp limit

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I feel like that makes it hard to add more to the game because all of these combinations are possible

surreal hazel
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Here you need to decide what other card entirely to give up

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But hey, there's no rule that alternative cards need to share the dane costs

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So even a boring implementation where alts are just different cost, same effect at a different power

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That'd have a reason to exist

radiant stirrup
surreal hazel
radiant stirrup
#

you use sorceress?

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I almost never use sorceress or swift runner

surreal hazel
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I don't use swift runner

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Carry on my wayward son though

radiant stirrup
#

thats a song lmao

surreal hazel
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Yes, that is the joke

radiant stirrup
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I do use that one, but I feel like sorceress messes up my flow

surreal hazel
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Artemis user?

radiant stirrup
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constantly slowing down the game just doesnt feel right when im playing

surreal hazel
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Eh. There's ways to abuse that

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A lot of mel's own stuff ignores the slowdown

radiant stirrup
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I played too much hades 1, slowdown just isnt for me

surreal hazel
#

You can use hexes to pad out some gain boons and accelerate cast detonations

radiant stirrup
#

I also barely use hexes anymore

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I'd rather just have a solid build than try to get a path of stars going

surreal hazel
#

I play lower fears to make lolbuilds than pushing fear boundaries

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I don't even take eternity any more

uncut ginkgo
#

What's the merciful end demeter fists of this game?

limpid coral
#

what do these words mean

rain hazel
#

So....does Uncommon Grace work if it's common??? lol

limpid coral
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yea it says "other"

rain hazel
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Oh yeah, gotcha xP

limpid coral
#

could be more clear

rain hazel
#

Bold "other" as well

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Also, I have born again, but Im using the 3rd staff. Thinking not a good idea.

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Had some people joke that theres no way Id use that much mana last time I asked but think I was using a different weapon as well 😅

limpid coral
#

well, try it and see if you are running out

rain hazel
#

_>

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Ill have like 300 mana a room

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In retrospect am probably spamming omega's too often as well 😅

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eh, why not lets see lol

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Oh, didnt consider my natural mana regen helps negate the priming a bit as well

spare kite
fallow gust
#

i almost exclusively use the omega atk on axe and omega special on skull

rain hazel
fallow gust
#

i've never had depletion tbh

rain hazel
#

It primes as wel though

fallow gust
#

mm yeah but even with the prime it regens instantly

rain hazel
#

If you prime all your mana though theres nothing to regen?

fallow gust
#

that’s true! but it’s only a concern if you have a vow on right

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it only primes once

vale gate
#

no

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it primes over and over each time it depletes

fallow gust
#

it’s never not regen’d instantly for mi

limpid coral
#

it regens instantly up to a lower max

rain hazel
#

Is it just me or does demeter's attacks if not chosen during duo do alot of damange 👀

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Ok so I tried it, in what world am I using the cast that sticks with me?

spare kite
#

oh I read it wrong sorry
I just use it as a stat boon for charon ngl bouldy

magic moss
#

unless im missing some, we are now at 160 unique 50F clears zaggrin

wise idol
#

Woohoo!

magic moss
wise idol
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Yooo that’s awesome zaglol

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It’s really cool that there’s a spreadsheet tracking this stuff, appreciate your work on it ZagSalute

magic moss
#

np np

lofty grove
#

Huh, the night arcana plus the death arcana make the base cast by itself pretty powerful. Which is useful in the higher fear where desperation/forsaking/destitution limits the amount of boons I get.

magic moss
formal pawn
#

does anyone have an easy skull build? with other weapons i could easily do 40+ heat but i can't figure out hot to get a good build with the skulls, to even beat 20 heat. (note: my aspect of Persephone is only level three if that matters)

civic ocean
# formal pawn does anyone have an easy skull build? with other weapons i could easily do 40+ h...

Mel: pick up huntress and turn on panic, get a high % damage boon on your attack, and spam hammers to try and get +2 bullets

Medea: Zeus special + Aph attack works pretty well, and then as many defensive buffs as you can

Persephone: Zeus Cast start into Air Quality with Scorch, Cyclones, Support fire, chain lightning and Prominence Flare is usually what I go for, but just Zeus + Apollo seems pretty good

formal pawn
#

thank you, i will probably try the mel as it seems the safest or medea for speed

novel nymph
#

So what's the best keepsake in the game?, I like using the silk badge personally

surreal hazel
#

Embryo if it rolls nice, moonbeam if you like hexes, experimental hammer after scylla

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Engraved pin if you want stubborn defiance back

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I've taken to going with the barley sheaf in zone 2 because heroic rare crops are great

tall notch
vale gate
fallow sundial
#

what’s the best aspect for the axe?

cursive oyster
fallow sundial
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thanks

fallow sundial
#

what are some good gods and boons on axe? (no aspect)
ive been using apollos keepsake and boons and they seem to work really well

limpid coral
#

hera, hera, and hera

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(also storm ring)

fallow sundial
#

havent got there yet 😔

limpid coral
#

ye

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otherwise aphros attack boon ig

tall notch
civic ocean
limpid coral
#

blackened fleece obv

arctic dirge
#

what is the highest fear on surface achieved ? I feel like ephyra is so hard even at 32, i barely finish Poly under 5 minutes

civic ocean
#

I believe it is 50 atm

arctic dirge
#

do you know if there is a clip ?

civic ocean
#

Foolish has a run IIRC

magic moss
#

iirc both foolish and mynt have beaten surface 50F but idk where the victory screens are

past salmon
#

I don't have a recording of mine

magic moss
#

might make another sheet for surface clears

past salmon
#

I think Posh might have a recording actually

arctic dirge
#

well gg for that cuz it seems atrociously hard

past salmon
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Nah 50 Surface is easier than underworld

limpid coral
#

Do you know the ephyra rooms knowledge check

arctic dirge
past salmon
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I have the link somewhere hold on

limpid coral
past salmon
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Oh there it is

arctic dirge
#

🤯

limpid coral
#

Yea its set in stone lol kinda funky

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Now that bats pause time you can just hit up the good rooms

arctic dirge
#

Ephyra funky town

muted locust
#

Urgh, during the Hecate boss fight, how do you deal with the large grounded AOE's whilst sheep form, I can deal with any other combo but large grounded aoe's always damage whats an otherwise near damageless boss for me

vale gate
#

attacking makes you hop forward a bit so spam both attack and dash

civic ocean
muted locust
muted locust
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Which pet do yall reccomend actually, cat death defience feels so useful for me, but I get a surprising amount of use from toad bodyblocking attacks

vale gate
#

toaddd

cursive oyster
#

frinos is way better imo, easy sheep dodge, sometimes blocks other attacks, max hp is good

sage flame
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he's a frog :c not a toad

vale gate
#

frogggg

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extra max hp makes you not lose a dd early on

magic moss
sage flame
#
  • 3dds with frog gives you more overall health than toula does with her one dd, cause usually any overkill damage toula blocks with another dd is not high enough to be more than frinos gives
civic ocean
#

Toula feels anecdotally much stronger with Abandon. Low key on many weapon aspects she can outdamage Melinoe.

limpid coral
#

cat power

muted locust
#

Oh wait, Abandon is the no arcana cards one?

civic ocean
#

And she's controllable in that sense too. Just costs you probably 1 or 2 seconds per room to use her sometimes and like 5-7 seconds in the hecate fight

limpid coral
#

yet another person talking about death defiances like some godlike power that you absolutely must have and keep at all costs bouldy

sage flame
#

the death defy toula (cat) gives is only like 40? at max

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where tf is the familiar menu

muted locust
limpid coral
#

ok now if you are playing abandon that is different

muted locust
#

I've been playing and practicing with no abanbdon since I got the tablet

limpid coral
#

because now cat 40 hp is meaningful compared to frinos 40 hp

sage flame
#

indeed

muted locust
#

Every other run is no arcana, the other runs are are +++speed

sage flame
#

yeah, frinos only gives more health if you have 3 dd on

limpid coral
#

i mean even level 1 eternity frinos is giving u 60 hp

civic ocean
#

Well, sorta. On abandon frinos technically still gives you more HP at the start of the run

limpid coral
#

well not 60 but 56 but ye

civic ocean
#

Toula is 30 and 30 and Frinos is 70

limpid coral
#

70!

civic ocean
#

Total ye

sage flame
civic ocean
#

Toula obviously you can get more than the first 30 if you're overkilled

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But it's a lot harder to go into a chaos gate with toula

vale gate
#

has there been. frinos only run yet

sage flame
#

it would take so long, while its technically possible it is completely rng if frinos actually does like whatever 10 damage he does

limpid coral
#

20

sage flame
#

and would suck way more than toula only

limpid coral
#

oh it might be 30 at max level idk

sage flame
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cool yeah idk

civic ocean
#

He misses over half the time

limpid coral
#

I didn't know he aimed at things

sage flame
#

best he can do it hit a tree in erebus

civic ocean
#

He priorities getting in front of projectiles

limpid coral
#

How does that even work like when an enemy shoots something does he aim for it

sage flame
#

i thought just just hopped when you got far enough away

civic ocean
#

Yeah you can see it the most with the ground crawly things

stuck ether
#

Ive done enough hex only runs and seen that “30 damage” pop up

vale gate
#

atleast we know he sucks ass at it

civic ocean
#

He's not really supposed to be a fighter, Mel kinda conscripted him with cookies

vale gate
#

gladge one way to look at it

civic ocean
#

Sometimes he stands next to Chronos and eats all of his balls and that's pretty funny

vale gate
#

that sounds wrong

sage flame
#

ol ball gobbler frinos

low bear
#

The Toula only run was like hours long right

limpid coral
#

I've never seen chronos do the ball circle attack in phase 2 when he wasnt standing in the middle before

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Maybe phase shift bugged him out

uneven palm
#

Great more nonsense in p2 to look out for

odd ruin
#

question, do the rarity boost arcana actually matter on higher fear or would you rather get any of the other cards?

wise idol
#

they are kind of a detriment on high fear due to vow of arrogance

civic ocean
sage flame
#

finally getting to hecate at all at 50f now i just need enough time to clear her

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(or health and dds to tank the timer)

limpid coral
hollow delta
#

if you have the judgment arcana card for a run and it activates conflicting cards, can you lose access to its ability that run?

spare kite
#

Once you are in the run, activation methods don't apply

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Which can be funny if you get seer but none of the rerolls

hollow delta
#

awesome, thanks :)

spare kite
#

@glad glen heirloom/arcana upgrade/heph legendary all can go past the usual limit for their respective thing (heirloom does have some exceptions tho)

magic moss
whole edge
#

poor girl didn't even get to sing the chorus

glad glen
#

Thanks for the correction.

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I really should stay in my lane. I mostly do early progression runs to see if the progression flows and feels pleasant, and, consequently, I seldom get to the very late game. So, unless something is obviously amiss even at early game, I thus have less informed views about late game aspects of gameplay. And I should be more self-aware of that limitation.

daring hull
#

I just beat Cronos for the first time after 35 hours of play ☠️ (with a few hours on the surface) his first phase is horrible

bright token
#

guys, how does blitz work on medea special? does special hit first to then activate it after attack hits? cause if it is it should proc much more often

i'm trying to find a way to pump more dmg into medea for later stages cause its speed is falling off a little bit in tart

spare kite
soft forge
#

YEEEE beat Chronos (barely) at 32 Fear.

bright token
civic ocean
sage flame
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im not alone in erebus hell that's at least good to know, though im only trying 50 fear :/

magic moss
sage flame
#

i am being hazed by erebus?

magic moss
#

true and real zaglol

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erebus is where like 90% of runs die for people who are newer to 50F

stuck ether
#

my most recent run died to hecate which is still erebus

sage flame
#

it mostly sucks cause it's so hard to figure out what im specifically struggling with outside of just like 'dont get hit' and get more free rooms bouldy

limpid coral
#

hard to say without like recording/streaming and watching back how u clear rooms

sage flame
#

well another problem I have is my insistance on daggers

limpid coral
#

oh mel blades and artemis are okay

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pan is pan

sage flame
#

I do record my runs tho I think last night i deleted all of that days attempts cause I felt bad lmao

limpid coral
#

real

sage flame
#

yeah mel is what I'm going for

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oh yeah is using a special to interrupt an enemy worth usually? like wailers or oceanus spindles

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I do it cause I kept just taking too much damage but I fear it is slowing me down sometimes

limpid coral
#

yea

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I do it a lot

sage flame
#

cool

limpid coral
#

also dont forget omega cast exists, it is real and can hurt enemies

sage flame
#

:0

civic ocean
#

in particular as the next wave spawns in, you can do stuff like tap toula and set up omega casts

sage flame
#

i should be using toula?

#

how am I supposed to tank the timer for like 8 more seconds

civic ocean
#

Does like 400 damage and the staff combo does less than 100!

sage flame
#

tbf I don't think I've given her a shot

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but the health is really nice

limpid coral
#

toula games
its just 100 hp is a lot of hp

sage flame
#

esp cause I play sloppy still

tall notch
#

frinos is amazing, I wouldn't take toula unless I am no DD gaming

daring hull
sage flame
#

i don't believe they were

civic ocean
#

I mean if you want me to make fun of you I can

sweet girder
#

what special boon goes well with the Aspect of Eos

daring hull
sage flame
#

they have been attempting 55 fear with the staff weapon

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staff run = an attempt using the staff

daring hull
#

Oh okay 😭 sorry I'm tired I misunderstood

civic ocean
#

probably streaming some runs tonight

sage flame
daring hull
#

In French we say "Bâton" for staff, so i was confused ☠️ not the same word at all

sage flame
#

oh lol

#

does the game use bâton or a different word?

daring hull
#

I'm gonna launch it and i tell you

daring hull
sage flame
#

ahhhh I see

daring hull
#

🙂

limpid coral
#

scepter is a very cool name for a weapon

sage flame
#

indeed

stuck ether
daring hull
#

😭😭

civic ocean
#

Witches don't really use scepters in english, is why

stuck ether
#

true but its not as cool

sage flame
#

i guess "witch's scepter" doesnt hit the zeitgeist the same way

limpid coral
#

If its a staff why do its magical moves suck so much 😔

sage flame
#

I mean the attack animations are mel using magick right? like the dash attack is basically the special projectile

civic ocean
#

because we got really mad about momus

limpid coral
#

unfortunately they also suck 😔

sage flame
#

real

civic ocean
#

I wish the staff had just a tiny bit more range. There's a very small window where you can avoid the screamers in your cast and hit them

#

armored screamers on location 4 or 5 are brutal otherwise

stuck ether
#

armored screamers are brutal

bright token
# sage flame it mostly sucks cause it's so hard to figure out what im specifically struggling...

taking all dmg in arcana boosts your erebus completion rate
if you do daggers make sure to take furis, huntress, origination and i advice strength too
i think people underestimate strength for some builds. it's not only invaluable 50% dr for most of your chronos,cerb fights, it's also 50% global dmg boost. you can start recklessly and get it working quite early. screamers will plump you down to 30% hp handily

i suggest scorch for daggers, it's a good boss melter and really helps with fire and forget against a lot of small enemies. cast scorch is also a really good alternative

another thing to keep in mind is you can alternate attacks with specials without breaking the combo meaning you can take special blitz or blast

limpid coral
#

what are you dropping for strength?

bright token
#

lovers

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i imagine lovers is preferable if you want to go antler in tart. but i'm not at that level of avoiding dmg at 50f yet

sage flame
#

thank you for this info :)

#

I may try strength (and return to origination from boatman)

#

the rolls help me get heph for mint chip but honestly skill issue on my rng's part

bright token
#

boatman is also really good cause it lets you buy a boon at the first shop
people argue boatman is counter to rng but i disagree a little, at least for erebus. both strength and origination are guaranteed boosts you are getting in your run. but a random +1 boon you buy and +4 rerolls is still rng loaded outcome for your buck

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i used to go with 3 rerolls and lovers because it also grants +20% rare boon which is quite massive
but at that point it's too rng as well, not being able to reroll the miniboss reward to get your build up and running sooner

radiant stirrup
#

how does Full Salvo work with Medea? does it just load all of your shells?

tired fulcrum
#

Yeah

limpid coral
#

i really wonder if they plan on doing anything about arachne being offered against midshop or midboss

vale gate
#

#h2 high fear strategies when

limpid coral
#

its been 4 patches bouldy

vale gate
tired fulcrum
#

When game gives you arachne, shop, and chaos at the same time bouldy

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It wastes skips residentzag

vale gate
#

i mean thats intended

#

you cant have evrything, why would they fix that

tired fulcrum
#

You can tho

limpid coral
#

cause its like half the time oops +40 seconds

tired fulcrum
#

Do shops or minibosses even get reoffered

vale gate
#

shops no

#

midbosses upto 3 times within the midboss window iirc

#

or 2, idk

tired fulcrum
#

Yeah so if you get arachne plus shop then its just rip a skip bouldy

limpid coral
#

midbosses usually twice sometimes once

#

i have never seen 3

vale gate
#

depends on how lucky you are with your minor vs major find doors

limpid coral
#

also sometimes arachne just doesn't exist and thats another cool way to lose 40 seconds

tired fulcrum
#

Yeah thats why i do h1 50 heat instead so i can get out of tart 100% of the time then get 0 skips in elysium and a billion cancer bp combos and time out at heroes dusa

vale gate
#

or have a 1st biome boss you actually die to because of the attacks, not falling a sleep and timing out

bright token
#

uneven amount of skips is the biggest barrier of entry into speedrunning this game
any skill edge one can possibly have will be nullified by -1 random skip in the run, and in the end going fast is all about putting in hours to win the lottery

limpid coral
#

opportunity is luck meeting skill yadda yadda yadda

bright token
#

2nd biggest is imo hammers. really wish they'd just transform the way you play the weapon + a modest buff instead of lul get 300% dmg

tired fulcrum
vale gate
#

~~Zag sword vs ~~alecto not fun bouldy

tired fulcrum
#

Wheres the guaranteed tis mod

limpid coral
#

wow another tart where all five rooms were swarms cool

tired fulcrum
#

I love infinite bags in massive room

limpid coral
#

i got hit 3 times in tart.
one was dash attacking a frozen skull
one was walking into a frozen skull
When will I learn

vale gate
#

i always get confused when people say tart

past salmon
#

Mmmm I do love me some lemon tart

vale gate
#

i mean like h1 tart

limpid coral
#

really though 10 flat into cerb 10:4x out of cerb 14:1x into chronos like cmon

vale gate
#

is their any shorthand for oceanus yet, it feels like a wrong word to type out

limpid coral
#

though this arctic ring air quality gale force was kinda cooking

sage flame
#

could just say ocean

civic ocean
past salmon
#

Bus Anus goes hard

vale gate
#

true

civic ocean
past salmon
fluid briar
#

to 16, kinda scared to go higher xD

bright token
#

don't be scared, worst thing you'll die

fluid briar
#

nah, I'm afraid to win and have nothing left to do before full game xD

bright token
#

afraid to win, what an englishman

vale gate
odd ruin
#

damn, thanatos axe with heras attack boon is kinda cracked

sage flame
#

made it to oceanus a couple times (with no dd cause I went over timer)

bright token
#

nice

hasty moth
#

Dude is there anyway to avoid Hecate turning you into a sheep or what

cursive oyster
past salmon
#

yeh just dash through it on repeat until it fades

cursive oyster
#

having frigid sprint or hard target helps tremendously

#

but probably not worth going out of your way to get

sage flame
#

made it to fields now too! a firsrt with my 50f attempts

restive bolt
#

how it feels to get stunlocked by 3 of the spinning coral enemies in oceanus and go from 40 hp to none in one room

#

i am actually the worst player in this game. yall can go home, i have bad chaos boon choices and bad gameplay decisions completely covered. i can't even be mad. that's how bad i am playing rn.

past salmon
restive bolt
#

and related to the topic of the channel, any tips for persephone skull? i am currently aiming for thermal dynamics with poseidon support. i feel like i need blitz to trigger more consistently

sage flame
#

zeus cast is pretty good for getting your charge up without needing magick and really all you need is consistent cast damage and magick regen to spam specials, and I think hera special works really well just cause you can room clear really fast with one omega special

sweet girder
#

is there any better weapon or more consistent weapon that can become several builds instead of being locked into one main path?

bright token
#

all weapons are viable with various builds. it's only crazy high fear or speedruns require smth specific

i'd say the weapon that needs specific boons or hammers the least is medea but it's hard to play

merry bronze
#

imo the staff is the one weapon where you can do whatever

#

specially circe, you can do omega attack, omega special, even omega cast if you're feeling it. or ignore the omega damage bonus and use serenity to replenish magick while doing a base attack build

bright token
#

staff with +30 attack and double attack hammers becomes insanely strong but at the baseline, without the hammers, probably only scorch can save it unless it's momus which has actually functional aspect

merry bronze
#

tbf i wouldnt force a build if you don't get at least one of the hammers for it, but you're right

#

although i do remember doing poseidon attack a few patches ago without any of the attack hammers and i could still clear well

#

but yeah its never gonna be as strong as you need if you're doing high fears and you don't get the hammers

tall notch
#

All these options are viable for fear pushing