h2-builds-and-combat

[bleak night]

Oh, interesting

make one mistake and lose instantly

[silent crow]

gamble

[bleak night]

same as all the other 4 weapons, really.

[civic ocean]

start anter?

[bleak night]

can you do the pastebin ?

[civic ocean]

I think start antler right presumably the damage is needed?

[bleak night]

I honestly think you should just ER start and hope for a good attack

you need Hitch too much up there

otherwise you won't be fast enough to beat the timer

[civic ocean]

Surely at 55 I have to just roll it

[bleak night]

roll ?

[civic ocean]

Like just get it no keepsake

[magic moss]

https://pastebin.com/8hsMytHR

[past salmon]

I genuinely think the gameplan is to not try it

The difference between 55F and 50F is about the difference between 50F and 16F 💀

[bleak night]

yeah, pretty much how it goes. No rerolls feels bad

[civic ocean]

Yeah but thats not fun to stream right

[past salmon]

55F will not be fun to stream lmao

most runs die room 3 cuz you have to reset cuz u didnt get a god boon

[civic ocean]

wdym its fun to watch someone die over and over again

[bleak night]

not at 55, ngl

[civic ocean]

no resets we play it out man how else am I going to get sicknasty enough

[bleak night]

At 50, you can laugh because the player can still influence rng with rerolls

at 55, you're at the mercy of the game, and it feels bad most of the time

at 51+, really, not 55

[civic ocean]

Probably do one day of that a week yeah

and then do 40 Fear winstreaking with Engagement Ring banned?

[bleak night]

Probs just soft-ban the Hera keepsake

that or don't get ER if you start Hera keepsake at all, but otherwise use ER when she appears randomly

[civic ocean]

I dunno ER seems kinda nuts

[bleak night]

I think Storm Ring is a bit nutty, too

I did a 50F win on it with every weapon besides Blades

[civic ocean]

Are they close? I like a lot of the base casts now tbh

[bleak night]

Close? Nah. ER is busted, for sure. Storm Ring is very good though

[civic ocean]

Yeah maybe just ban on ER to start

[bleak night]

Try it on Torches, it's very nice

[pearl pond]

What gods work well on the torches btw? I find them to be a very confusing weapon

[magic moss]

hera hestia

[bleak night]

Hera on Attack usually solves your damage problems, Hestia on Gain is great

then you can run perhaps Blitz on Special since it's not really something you use for damage. Maybe Freeze as well

[bleak night]

play Storm Ring https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1259544381296476191/1259918554355208223/image.png?ex=668d6e17&is=668c1c97&hm=04b9239bda7e7f9f7f886099909223a3e66c60c57c57b58c8a2a8a42a595a8ff&

[civic ocean]

I'm an air fryer enjoyer you do not need to tell me twice

[sage flame]

is mel torches air fryer still good?

[civic ocean]

wdym good

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246053364647596104/1257563830188245083/image.png?ex=668d6ed5&is=668c1d55&hm=a0196cf836632008c81f0e5aaad9e072ce619c7aca5e5ec632d4beb9080ed1b4&

The clear times on em are really good, too.

[silent crow]

i think its easier to just take hestia boons

[sage flame]

I feel like I can't apply scorch as fast with torches special anymore cause it ticks away so quickly

[bleak night]

I think it's alright

[civic ocean]

so the problem you're encountering is that the ideal way to play mel torches is to actually just ignore the text on the aspect

[bleak night]

^

[sage flame]

I had better luck with hestia on daggers

[bleak night]

The strength of Mel Torches is that the attack on it isn't altered like the other two

[sage flame]

lmaoooo

[bleak night]

Moros' will clutter and Eos has that weird daybreaker thing

Moros is still way superior in damage, but you do have to use Omega Specials for it

for Mel Torches, you can just ignore the special button entirely

[civic ocean]

The upside of Air Fryer now is that because you can get an extra air from pacifying shades and/or the hestia/hera duo, you can run hera and/or demeter alongside Zeus+Hestia and still get AQ + 5 wind relatively easily

which works a little weird with Hitch, but works insanely well with Gale Force and Frigid Sprint

[bleak night]

I like how the elements this time around are fairly balanced

[silent crow]

i still feel like poseidon is a weak overall god

[civic ocean]

IDK I think Poseidon is fine

[bleak night]

I find Poseidon's alright for Blades in general, not just Pan

[silent crow]

i really dont want poseidon to show up on most builds

[civic ocean]

So to me Poseidon and Heph are now in the same node in my brain, where I want them after I have 1 or 2 core boons already

[bleak night]

Yeah, he's kinda in a weird spot rn

[civic ocean]

Unless I want wave strike

[bleak night]

try Wave Strike on Staff, it's nice

[silent crow]

i like heph more bc at least you can fill in the core slot ur not using with a blast or something

[civic ocean]

I was trying it yeah, I mean part of the reason I was going godless for my 50 attempts was I felt that like 5-6 of the strikes would work fine on the staff

[silent crow]

poseidon u genuinely want 1 boon from him on most builds

[civic ocean]

@magic moss was mine the first 50 with a Selene Start or did one of the big 3 get one of those

[magic moss]

ur the only one

[civic ocean]

Putting aside wave strike I think Water Fitness, Hydraulic Might, and Double Up are all crazy cool

And lowkey if I see Hera now I kinda want to see Poseidon, Golden Rule seems kinda crazy too

But IDK, part of the reason I went for 50 this patch is that everything seems crazy?

[plain fossil]

He's just water squigglies and hydraulic might atm

[silent crow]

i dont like double up

[civic ocean]

HAHA, NO!

[plain fossil]

If u dont need wave strike/flourish that is

Fluid gain is okay and can be good sometimes, tidal ring is imo pretty bad, and we dont talk about the sprint

[magic moss]

it was the pre-ER meta

[plain fossil]

Well tbf the sprint would be okay if it didnt cost so much mana

[silent crow]

i kinda wish they removed the dmg on the sprint and just made it aoe knockback

no mana cost

[civic ocean]

If you're playing on a fear with no onion I think going water trio would be kinda sick still, just stack up the water elements and scale up Veneer and Fitness, angle for Hearty Appetite

[silent crow]

idk how i feel abt triple water

[magic moss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1257897637013754039/1257897726805282917/image.png?ex=668d544c&is=668c02cc&hm=68831ed0a15f95fe7b2620aa582c9ea583ef816b3b3e44b730bb3973cfe5b66d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=687&height=386 look at the time

[silent crow]

i think aph is pretty good rn

[magic moss]

the triple water build was something i cooked up when patch 3 dropped

[civic ocean]

I was playing it pre patch, the Snorlax Staff

It got a lot better with Veneer tho

[silent crow]

i like how you have more air than water

[magic moss]

ye i saw and was inspired to make it work

[civic ocean]

casual 24% dodge chance from wiles

The EHP on this guy is incredible

[silent crow]

and he still burned through all of it and the hermes DD

[civic ocean]

Oh I forgot

[silent crow]

i guess he made the most of it 🫡

[plain fossil]

Cant dodge being zdps and going 90 seconds over timer

[civic ocean]

I almost threw against Chronos 2nd phase I got hit by the raw instakill because I was panicking

[silent crow]

how is he zdps with storm ring hail storm killer current

surely thats a good build

[magic moss]

i lost 450 hp to overtime

[plain fossil]

Ask 21:30

[civic ocean]

But I did so well in P1 that I retained the armor and it blocked the instakill

[silent crow]

how is that possible

[civic ocean]

saved the run

[magic moss]

idk you're seeing a victory screen in front of you

[silent crow]

did you get 4 boons in the endshop orsmth

[magic moss]

no idea it was a while ago and i dont have it recorded

[silent crow]

😭

[magic moss]

i do have the final chronos fight recorded tho https://youtu.be/gRvplzS-dHY?si=A2zsX4uOroZmW5PO

damn this was only a week and a half ago thats crazy feels like forever

[past salmon]

long chrono fight

actually not that long

[magic moss]

the fight itself isnt that long, its about average

[past salmon]

I had a long ass Chronos fight yesterday on Mel Blades 50F that I died at P2.2 on

[bleak night]

90 seconds over timer is kinda wild

[magic moss]

just uh the circumstances werent the greatest

the sheer adrenaline i felt was actually crazy like i could feel my body shaking

[bleak night]

did you see my Mel Blades fight

I was one hit from dying because I choked and stepped into an instakill with 100 HP

[rain kelp]

man I'm never picking the Daedelus upgrade to Skull where when you get them back, you use 10 magick every time.

I just cant do any omega skills the couple times I picked it

[past salmon]

@magic moss HEY BAAAAAAAAAAAAAABE
YOU AVAILABLE????

[magic moss]

WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

[past salmon]

???????
HELLO???
BOT?

[magic moss]

??????????????

[past salmon]

I SAID
ARE YOU FREE

[magic moss]

YES I AM

WHY

[bleak night]

I will now go back to sleep

[magic moss]

as you should

[timber pawn]

It's actually an extremely strong hammer, you just need a mana regen boon and you're all set

[sand crow]

wait a second

does apollo cast stack with the poseidon omega cast boon

if so that's actually busted

[meager bramble]

Eos build tips?

[tired fulcrum]

golden rule

[meager bramble]

I assume Aphro on attack, Hera on special?

[plain fossil]

Depends if u need to click rebuke or not

If u dont then im a fan of aiming for utility special, apollo attack and engagement ring

Which clears rooms very fast and relieves timer pressure

[thick saffron]

does apollo legendary stack with giga cleaver?

[native solar]

yo does the furries arcana apply to the omega cast explosions?

[vivid mesa]

i will test this real quick

furries lmao

[native solar]

i think my brain is broken

i always read "the furries vanquished" or whatever in hades I too

[past salmon]

Iirc yes

[native solar]

ugh i wish i could use every single 2 cost arcana

and every 3 cost arcana

and every 5 cost arcana

[vivid mesa]

just tried it, it does

[native solar]

W

guess im sacrificing the titan for this then

thanks

[surreal hazel]

Should do, might break if you have lance or coal though

[bright token]

guys is there a way to avoid the final axe swing without breaking the combat flow, i.e. without big downtime to keep the enemies stunned?

i almost wanna delete the final chop, it literally costs me 90% of my failed runs

maybe there is some timing to cancel it out with special and go into the new combo?

[drifting skiff]

you can tap special and cancel the final chop althogether

[steel sequoia]

this is what glory looks like https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1260223553522110536/20240709101645_1.jpg?ex=668e8a24&is=668d38a4&hm=aba75c6aadb263fde981b6d0a2744a1ccf8ebafbcc8d7dd4c723c68b6164e800&

[bleak night]

jeez

[steel sequoia]

i had 900 gold

1100 i saw in the video now

i kinda played poorly but it was fun https://www.tiktok.com/@inosuk3das/video/7389626388271140101

[bleak night]

we're doing runs if you wanna watch

[steel sequoia]

where?

i have a little time now

[bleak night]

I can send the link

[steel sequoia]

ur live on utube or something?

[bleak night]

Nope, just streaming in a VC

dm'd btw

[limpid coral]

[bleak night]

want the link too? it's an emote server so idk if I can just post it here, otherwise I would

[limpid coral]

sure!

[steel sequoia]

ew, blades

[bleak night]

only thing he needs left

[steel sequoia]

im watching

[ionic lily]

the what arcana?

[carmine mural]

Hank, don't spell furies with two R's, Haaaaaank

[worn moss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/736994242685042688/1260239461619466305/image.png?ex=668e98f5&is=668d4775&hm=429225e7d23c5b4b161a501a88fb3d253a9197b9dd19a4a269f21d05fb7c7a9d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=886&height=498 jesus christ this is nuts.... hitch is dealing more damage than my attack and my attacks are dealing upwards of 1000 per shell

[tall notch]

did you sacrifice a bunch of zeus boons with the ransom duo?

[worn moss]

only 2 boons

[tall notch]

wait then how did you get so many levels on these

[worn moss]

triple poms + double up lol

[tall notch]

HAHA YES

[worn moss]

i love poseidon...

[steel sequoia]

that feels very good

[carmine lagoon]

is using breath of eros on scars 3 considered cheating (like how preserved hope is)?

[bleak night]

Does that actually work ?

I can't tell if it actually heals me

[surreal hazel]

Yep, did similar recently as well

[carmine lagoon]

it does apparently!

[bleak night]

weird

I just never notice, I suppose. Either way, I don't think it's as bad as preserved

[civic ocean]

Wait is using preserved hope cheating

Like are we DQing runs that do it

[limpid coral]

what would dqing even mean here

[civic ocean]

Looks like a HAHA YES run if I've ever seen one

[warped harness]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/422149143205773315/1260252619285336185/image.png?ex=668ea536&is=668d53b6&hm=2957af5d38e40b4473cb161491c6ebda69a7ff748908f4c5ddefcb635ca36069&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1191&height=670

my god charon is insanely fun

[civic ocean]

Oh like not accepting the run for leaderboards and trackers and stuff

Wouldn't mean that much to most people

[limpid coral]

well, leaderboards and trackers are patch specific no?

[civic ocean]

I don't know how most of that tracking is done which is why I asked

[bleak night]

I don't really know, but I try not to anyway for the ones I record. Idm using it when I'm not recording

[limpid coral]

tbh to me anything in game is fair game unless theres some generally agreed upon ruleset that bans like certain bugs or exploits

[civic ocean]

Yeah my question was basically "is preserved hope banned"

I didn't use it for my 50

[bleak night]

Not really

[limpid coral]

ya i haven't seen or heard of anyone saying "hey this exploit is Not Cool so don't use it for your runs"

[civic ocean]

I can add it to the list of bans for the 40 Fear rotating though

[magic moss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1249502882819215453/1258544639313575997/image.png?ex=668e5d48&is=668d0bc8&hm=c995be6f8ad1146b1ec85d573e4a65a32c7a970811a3f093972e6b3825a4f713& it works btw

[limpid coral]

+12 pog

wait that number seems kinda low, is that with blood suffering?

[civic ocean]

Is @turbid hull or any other kind code diver around these days? I am plotting out early drafts of a "Perfect Erebus" and I have like 50 questions

[bleak night]

Ah, interesting. Haven't really minded as much ig since the bonus is at least really low

[turbid hull]

do tell

[magic moss]

eros doesnt account for suffering, just blood iirc

since suffering only applies on damage taken

[limpid coral]

what in oceanus does 3 base

[magic moss]

havent rly tested tho so idk might not also apply to blood

i may also have had strength idrk

[bleak night]

I think it's just the 12 from Hippo bomb

suffering x4 doesn't count for it, but blood does, as Hippos usually do 6 damage without fear

[limpid coral]

wait only 6??? damn

[turbid hull]

I'm watching Stone Ocean so I might take a while to answer East

[bleak night]

Yeah, seems kinda weird, doesn't it ?

[magic moss]

we are so high fear pilled its crazy

[limpid coral]

[tender anvil]

48!

[civic ocean]

Things I believe I "know" to be true:

-Erebus is comprised of 13 Locations
-Hecate is Location 13
-the no-encounter free floor is Location 12
-The run begins on Location 1
-The following things shorten the time of a Location, are faster to clear, or stop time entirely: Chaos, Charon, Artemis, Nemesis, Arachne, Cocoons, Fountain, Midboss

What I am trying to figure out is if it is possible for all of those above skips to occur over the course of the same Erebus run

[vale gate]

what weaps should i be taking rebuke on

[bleak night]

I've never seen Arachne + Cocoons in one region

[limpid coral]

i feel like everything except torches hates rebuke 2 a lot

[turbid hull]

Pretty sure there's a giant message in a technical thread in the modding server that may answer all your questions

[magic moss]

its possible ive had it like twice

[turbid hull]

I'm not in said server anymore

[magic moss]

there are 2 nem encounters as well so dont forget that

[civic ocean]

Can you get her twice in the same biome

[bleak night]

Interesting.

[magic moss]

no idea

[tired fulcrum]

I hate suffering

[civic ocean]

Floor 1: Hammer/onion
Floor 2: Chaos
Floor 3: Bones
Floor 4: hammer/onion
Floor 5: Fountain
Floor 6: midshop
Floor 7: midboss
Floor 8: nemesis
Floor 9: artemis
Floor 10: arachne
Floor 11: cocoons
Floor 12: preboss
Floor 13: boss

I wrote this on my notes app I believe this is close to or just is the perfect Erebus

[vale gate]

at around 40-45

[magic moss]

none optimally but staff and blades are affected the least followed by torches then skull

[bleak night]

dear lord lol

I really like it, actually

any way it can preserve the highest fear clear per patch? Like, if 51 doesn't happen this patch that just stays

[vale gate]

do hammers in h2 work liek they do in h1

[bleak night]

wdym ?

[vale gate]

like how early they appear and odds of showing up etc

[warped harness]

why did i have like tons of the dust from the fields in my cerby fight?

[vale gate]

ive noticed i alwys get the hammer quite late in this game and cant tell if its just luck or how this game is

[warped harness]

it was everywhere and making it insanely hard to dodge

[tired fulcrum]

Well its the same in that you can only get second hammer 3rd biome onwards

[vale gate]

so c1 hammer is possible?

[bleak night]

I've never seen a hammer in Oceanus, but I do see them fairly in Erebus. Foolish was streaming earlier and did 6 runs where he found hammers in Erebus

[magic moss]

its a battle hazard that spawns

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah, just doesnt happen post patch with god keepsakes

[vale gate]

ohh

[warped harness]

is it new bc it was way more obnoxious than ive ever seen before

it was genuinely everywhere

[silent crow]

hammers do appear in oceanus

[vale gate]

what attack do you want on staff?

[bleak night]

Scorch is really good rn, even without ER

I did Scorch + Storm Ring

[vale gate]

how does pos compare to scorch

[bleak night]

It fell flat vs bosses and it needs Slip in order to have Origination

[civic ocean]

Scorch, waves, ice, hitch, flutter all feel pretty good to me on staff atk atm

[bleak night]

Scorch is 1/2 of it out of the gate

Waves def has a better peak, since it can get King Tide

can't always rely on that peak, though, so.

[vale gate]

doesnt ice have very low %?

[bleak night]

You mostly use it to try to get Hailstorm

[silent crow]

its good at high rarity

[civic ocean]

Ice has low % but it can help you stay alive and is a great Origination piece

And yeah rarity and poms can up your damage

[bleak night]

Ice Strike is 60% at Epic, so it's serviceable. Tbh you can manage with that anyway

[civic ocean]

I did my 50 with Ice Strike ye

[bleak night]

30% at common is mostly just you using it for Origination asap

also the added safety and the ability to find Hailstorm

[vale gate]

so basically you can pretty much pick up any attack you find

[civic ocean]

And it's really good to keep you from dying

[limpid coral]

every 20% on staff basic attack is just +5 per hit so its not that significant

[bleak night]

probs not Heph

[civic ocean]

I don't think Nova, Heaven, or Volcanic are good

[bleak night]

Heaven's actually not bad

[limpid coral]

blitz is fine i think?

[bleak night]

Blitz and put down Storm Ring, keep attacking and setting down the cast. It's really good, honestly

[civic ocean]

Heaven is okay but I would be super sad if its the best thing I can take from the Zeus boon is how I look at it

[vale gate]

nova simply because no curse?

[bleak night]

I only had one Thrasher and it did some work, I did lose that run though so lol

[limpid coral]

o thats true, blitz is notably not static shock or lance

unlucky

[bleak night]

Nova can work because if you have it with Extending, it kinda covers 25% of the screen

Like, the range is funny

[magic moss]

Scorch > Hera/Dem > Pos > Aphro > Apollo > Zeus > Heph

[bleak night]

the damage isn't bad, either. You may need ER for it, though.

[civic ocean]

Yeah Nova I would take if I had the extendo hammer

[bleak night]

Wouldn't put Hera that far up atm since everyone just wants her cast.

[civic ocean]

Volcanic idk I think at this point Heph probably needs a core boon rework they all kinda ass

[magic moss]

he was asking for attack, i answered only considering atack boons

[silent crow]

honestly i thjnk hes fine hes js bad for high fear

[bleak night]

Ah, fair. Though I can only see myself getting Sworn Strike if I had Storm Ring

[civic ocean]

Even low fear I don't think there's a core thing that heph is top 5 at

[magic moss]

like realistically there is so much variability to staff in a run that just about anything can work except heph

[bleak night]

I'm willing to run Fixed Gain + Weak and Strength in 50F just for fun

[silent crow]

who cares hes fun

[civic ocean]

I mean he'd still be fun if he were good too right

He's balanced around being the 3rd or 4th god you get so you can get to his yummy support boons

[silent crow]

hes best in slot on like staff special and melee axe special for offhand dmg

[tired fulcrum]

Though youd rather just take trusty shield

[civic ocean]

I don't think he's best in slot on staff special like in terms of overall damage it is quite possible that he's outclassed by blitz

In addition it's actively worsening your odds at getting Shield and Mint if you take a Volc because it puts vent in the boon pool.

[bleak night]

Ah, neat.

[magic moss]

in a vacuum heph is bis on staff special and its not even close

[silent crow]

ya blitz takes too much commitment

[bleak night]

@magic moss I like how patch 1 is all Momus https://hadesglobal.vercel.app/UniqueClear

[civic ocean]

Yeah but nobody is playing runs in a vacuum

[tired fulcrum]

Blitzing with special is prob just a dps loss

[magic moss]

in a real run, i would take it if offered and i dont have core boons

[tired fulcrum]

Blast special has aoe and is 400 up front

[magic moss]

i mean theres a reason why my list just has nice for old momus

[bleak night]

probs just remove that bit

[civic ocean]

I think if its offered and you have no core boons I would still rather take something that didn't worsen my odds at Shield the next time I hit heph

[silent crow]

thats a problem with his supports being too centralizing then

[civic ocean]

But like in a real run if Heph is my first god offered at the L3 door and I have no cores I roll off of Heph

[magic moss]

maybe probably

[tired fulcrum]

I mean the only thing its adding is vent and then its removing itself and filling a core slot, if it fills the last core slot then youre increasing your trusty shield chance and if not then it increases you chance of getting good non cores from whoever else is in your pool

Actually there also thats candela thingy

[silent crow]

idk i think its ok his cores mostly suck on high fear theyre rly fun and unique and idk how they would change them without removing the appeal

[civic ocean]

Really easy change - nerf the initial blast damage and add Vent to them immediately

So instead of blast for 300 it's initial blast 150 vent 150 or smth

[magic moss]

dmg nerf, slight aoe buff, slight cooldown buff, REMOVAL OF TIME SLOW

[silent crow]

if u nerf the dmg and buff the cd its js doom 2 tho

[limpid coral]

On low fear (no rebuke) arent the blasts like mostly to delete an enemy or small group at the start of the room

[tired fulcrum]

Pls remove the slow its so aids

[silent crow]

ya

i love the slow but its insane that there isnt a setting to turn it off

[civic ocean]

It could also just additionally give a flat dmg%, or not be considered a boon for Spiteful Strength purposes when the blast is on cd

[silent crow]

another flat dmg% is boringg

[magic moss]

I actually really like this idea

[steel sequoia]

just do heph and aphro duo, nuff said

[civic ocean]

Yeah it makes a lot of sense - Vent isn't actually a useful enough status to necessitate a boon on its own and this way heph can give easy orig

[bleak night]

Don't need to rush dw

[steel sequoia]

someone posted in feedback already? origination would help heph a lot

[bleak night]

What happens if there are 20 unique people

Ah, fair

Won't be anytime soon

[tender anvil]

What happens when there are 51+ fear runs?

[vale gate]

run specific question, should i take elemtry prticles over pyro technique if im running scorch atk

[tall notch]

take particles, seeing many infusions will make you happy 🙂

[thin geyser]

Question: does Icarus' hammer keepsake stay after you switch off the keepsake?

[vale gate]

yeah

[vale gate]

but most of them feel completely useless though?

[tall notch]

Which ones (other than air quality/frosty veneer if you don't meet the requirements) are useless in your opinion?

[civic ocean]

Infusions are pretty dang good IMO.

[ionic moon]

self healing

[vale gate]

dont know them by name but half the time they dont meet the requirements

[silent crow]

martial art not affecting omegas is weird

[vale gate]

i always get this

[limpid coral]

its 50 50 for slow cooker self healing, water fitness frosty veneer, air quality wispy wiles, martial art proper upbringing i think

[tall notch]

Self healing has a requirement of 3 fire elements. The duo boon has Hestia as a prerequisite (who's a fire god) and the duo itself gives one fire. If you don't meet that requirement you're exceptionally unlucky

[limpid coral]

so if a few things in there look good then its prolly worth clicking

[carmine lagoon]

Is a good upgrade from 40 fear Charon up to 45 with no onion no rebuke?

[silent crow]

ya

[carmine lagoon]

Tyyy

[carmine lagoon]

If you build heph it can be a real blast (heh) to play with, huuugeee damage with Apollo-heph and Hestia-heph and high rarity/level grand caldera

[karmic gust]

there are no requirements anymore they scale with the number of elements now

[carmine lagoon]

45F charon, engagement ring or hera special?

[magic moss]

special

[charred monolith]

+27 on Hera may not be the highest boon increase out there, but with Hell Splitter and Executioner's Chop mixed in, this is one the goofier+fun runs I've had. Down with Zeus ❤️

[viscid spade]

does hearth gain restore mana on pan for every dagger?

omega special, that is

[worn moss]

it shouldn't since it only procs on regular special

[viscid spade]

oh, youre right. reading comprehension... ty

[cyan rock]

omg this build does so much damage its hilariously fun
its torches omega attack build that deals most damage with heartthrobs

the core boons are:
born gain
bloodline
heart breaker
sunny disposition

[viscid spade]

yea that build is nuts

[cyan rock]

where did you find it?
is anyone trying it for speedruns or anything?

[viscid spade]

idk how they nerf it other than increase mana costs

boated had a video on it one of the commenters gave him the idea

[cyan rock]

i just thought it up/lucked into it mid run

oh nice ill have to check that out

[viscid spade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuaycsrCW1E&pp=ygUMYm9hdGVkIGxhc2Vy

[magic moss]

i remember someone posting it in #h2-victory-boasting beating eris but it wasn’t with heartbreakers idk

[cyan rock]

oh yah tbh i think without heartbreakers its pretty bad.
the bloodlines animation being so slow and poorly aimed is problematic against small enemies IMO

[pine wind]

anyone know at what point damage integers would overflow?

[fair narwhal]

This build was super fun and felt great once you put it all together! but putting it all together on 32 fear took a good few attempts for me

[dapper kernel]

i tried it on 12 fear after watching your video and it was pretty fun

i couldn't get reduced magick cost from chaos but it was still okay partially because of low fear

[viscid spade]

not sure what 4th god would be bis in that build, thoughts?

[dapper kernel]

heph for trusty shield would be good if you are on high fear

[viscid spade]

yea, for sure, heph just great 4th god on most builds for the defensives

[dapper kernel]

or any way to activate origination i guess

[carmine lagoon]

interestingly, i made it work without a Talent boon, it just required... heroic lvl 4 born gain XD

[fair narwhal]

thats sick! im sure there's alot you could improve on in the build I used, I just had it given to me and then wanted to get it on youtube asap so I didnt think about much else outside of please chaos help me

[carmine lagoon]

i didnt do the heartthrobs, i just went straight for blood line

best part about that build is that its really a 2 boon build (born gain and blood line, talent wanted but optional, origination obviously a plus), so you can fairly safely get one of the 2 as common and phial it :D

[fair narwhal]

yeah videos like that are less about practicality and more about all the shiny bells and whistles

[carmine lagoon]

btw, do love the videos! theyre great *w*

[fair narwhal]

thank you! means alot

[magic moss]

should i go for mel torch or circe today

[carmine lagoon]

p i n k a u r a

[magic moss]

50F pink aura is fake

[carmine lagoon]

be me
cringe 50F runner (cant do mel torches)
someone tells me to do pink aura run
wtf.jpeg
try it
instantly become based
that's how you do it /b/ros

[magic moss]

i mean im down to try

aphro start go special? or do i gotta get a gain first

[carmine lagoon]

can probably do first few rooms with boonless o-attack so gain ig?

[unkempt quail]

I just beat Thessaly in 12 minutes with Aspect of eos and 30+ power bonus to attacks through Aphrodite and Icarus 😩
On top of that I had the Zeus special with Aphrodite dash duo 😩
It was so much damage each shot did like 115 plus the Daedalus upgrade of 20% faster attacks and the lightning damage from the special got up to around 550 because they were all heroic thanks to Demeter 😩

Aphrodite boons are goated

[cyan meadow]

Trying out Moros torches for the first time. Outside of Hitch, what do I want? Apollo aoe sounds nice

[magic moss]

Hearth Gain

[bright token]

i still don't understand how to fight chronos with the axe on max speed vow. the color pallet is so hard to tell his moves apart, and then he even has tracking before the start animation. then he starts spamming the timestop and if you are in and unfortunate position to not clear it in one dash you get hit. the axe even with double 30% speed hits so slowly the 3rd time that even if he started the blob animation inside your 3rd swing you still get hit by it.

i just dodged all his regular attacks and literally died to timestops and a oneshot in the 2nd phase when he spawned the safe spot on the opposite edge of the screen and i wasn't in time even with 15% sprint

3rd time getting to him on 48F with 3dd and not making it is sad. i wish i could practice the fight alone

hecate and him have it in common that they constantly teleport and have huge invulnerability windows
i like scylla and cerberus fight so much more

[magic moss]

you could save state if you want to just practice the fight

[bright token]

how do i do that

[magic moss]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r4pogNx7iZx0BBJ_WJOn8RYZ-qv-2oBiENXpLq1pjdg/edit#heading=h.mk48icw1p0cu

[bright token]

thanks!

[uneven palm]

Also don't forget about the special. you can block his scythe swings and charges. (Again, good thing to practice on a save state)

[bright token]

yeah i got used to the swings and dashes, can block or dodge pretty reliably. it's the big rng in his teleports and the timestop blob being almost instant

sometimes he teleports so often that you start being careless and go for max dmg

also i really need a good run boon-wise. i get so few boons and this time i didn't even have a chance at origination. my entire solo dmg was 145% aphro and 20 flat lightning from zeus

[tall notch]

Did you actually pink aura in 50f

[magic moss]

i havent done a run yet

and of course the one run i decide to try a pink aura i get a room 2 clean candle

[plain fossil]

generally u dont do the 3rd swing unless ur sure its going to hit

on than its more likely to have those opportunities but i mean if ur not 100% sure u cancel it for flexibility

[magic moss]

its uh not looking like a pink aura run despite me trying to go for it onion kinda garbanzo

[tall notch]

You can practice the fight by making a savestate

[magic moss]

already recommended

[tall notch]

Oh

[bright token]

also i sometimes still get hit by the slash aftermath explosions cause the hitbox for it is significantly larger than the visual

needs to be fixed imo

[plain fossil]

it could use a bit of cleanup but its pretty easy to get used to

theres higher priority hitboxes on bosses imo like cerb wolf heads are atrocious

[steel sequoia]

they somehow fixed poly, i think only cerb has some bad hitboxes now

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1260392709969936424/image.png?ex=668f27af&is=668dd62f&hm=74787c0e676cc532706de0f2e76d8e9c8f8d367d7a4410b98967f2f6154abdb7& GAD DAMN IT

@bleak night @past salmon i hate life

[past salmon]

what wep

[magic moss]

mel torches

[past salmon]

how do you always end up 8hrs overtime

[magic moss]

:)

also idk i just suck at playing for time

tbf this was like a meme run to begin with i started aphro to play for pink aura XDD

[plain fossil]

If it makes u feel better i also bricked my last 50 torches on chronos to timer

[magic moss]

and then i got room 2 clean candle into room 5 hestia

i cleared cerb with 13 seconds left

[plain fossil]

When i do this i always know im gonna die to timer on chronos

[magic moss]

yeah

[sand crow]

I see myself in that picture and it hurts :(

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218621088049659930/1260412509186424842/Surviving_Chronos_instakill_no_god_mode.mp4?ex=668f3a1f&is=668de89f&hm=b225814fabe6067117e78bc3bc4815aca85d55b3f0886c915f78e12dacec4e21& LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoo

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1260413308532559933/image.png?ex=668f3ade&is=668de95e&hm=01b0cc22bcd80a1d3eefa7c7ec5aa4113b1fa39f824bf86e1e06edc47a34435c& HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

[tired fulcrum]

[rain kelp]

do attack speed buffs change anything for Medea's aspect (skull)?

[plain fossil]

[timber pawn]

Not in any meaningful way

[rain kelp]

Hmmm aight, thought it could at least make the stacking a lot easier

[rain kelp]

https://streamable.com/9s5nk2

I never had a cronos match this close

[manic torrent]

is discordant bell good?

[silent crow]

no its the worst keepsake int he game .-.

[manic torrent]

what's the best

[silent crow]

engraved pin but you usually only want that for lategame

[manic torrent]

gotcha, thank you

[past salmon]

Engraved pin but its a lot less good at lower fears

Still really strong, just not as amazing

[viscid spade]

can you have multiple tier 2 cast boons? like say, lightning lance + geyser spout, or are we limited to one

[magic moss]

limited to 1

[silent crow]

u can have llance and geyser spout tho no?

[dull ferry]

do Moros' attack blasts proc Hearth Gain?

[plain fossil]

yes

[dull ferry]

oh

so it's infinite magick then

[left sentinel]

Just had a Moros run (cleared but 32 mins, low heat ofc lol) but it felt super mana hungry. Any recommendations for a boon that best synergizes with it? I tend to just channel the special then the attack's omegas. would Engagement Ring be the way to go there?

[magic moss]

Hearth Gain. It works on the explosions so you get like infinite mana

[past salmon]

Hearth gain and Ur mana issues disappear

[left sentinel]

oooh nice! Thatd be perfect

[carmine lagoon]

For lower fears Chaos has huge potential, but given its random nature there’s always the chance it’ll be a dud (but you could also eg get +80% attacks on an attack build 👀)

[manic torrent]

i was thinking of giving that a go, guess ill TRY IT

[carmine lagoon]

White Antler is the best at damage output but also you need to be decent at the game to not just die

[polar harbor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1177037282956546100/1260478734629339248/image.png?ex=668f77cc&is=668e264c&hm=432541f152656f34d9328568f1e74b95d025b8bc30cbdfff7fa1ed1c0ae0801a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1335&height=610

chaos trials my beloved?!? this is so silly,,, im about to beat eris to a godly death-adjacent state with literal love

[bleak night]

why Lion Fang

[plain fossil]

i mean the man is having timer trouble i'd click dps keepsakes too

[past salmon]

for timer ig
But why not run antler instead is a good question

[sinful marlin]

Does aspect of charon's unique effects count for activating death arcana?

[bleak night]

I think Droplet is better since it boosts your attack speed

[bleak night]

It doesn't, no.

[past salmon]

thats true but if you already have clean candle its probs less impactful

idk tho I aint doing the math

[sinful marlin]

Thanks though

[bleak night]

I guess they think it'll be too good if it worked

[sinful marlin]

Yeah, the dps would be crazy

[plain fossil]

with scorch attack lion fang would be quite a bit more damage depending on ur setup - it's about a 20% damage boost after typical multis, and droplet with clean candle is 13% after multis

droplet would let u beat timer mildly more efficiently tho

[past salmon]

ooo does lion fang hit scorch
Thats good yeah I didnt even think about it

droplet probs best here tho ig

[plain fossil]

yea i mean its generic increased % damage right it'd hit scorch

[past salmon]

idk Strength arcana tries rlly hard to be global and then isn't fully some stuff is goofy

[plain fossil]

i think the big reason to not click droplet here is if u think ur beating chronos during timer damage because ur droplet would run out

hey wait i was just trying to test this and is lion fang -5% subtractive dps per zone? I thought it was -5% of the 50% damage

if thats the case then lion fang is about the same damage as droplet, fk that item it sucks

[past salmon]

hmm no it should just be 5% of the 50

[plain fossil]

yea no it's -5% per zone

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/751691459580919834/1260490632527614064/image.png?ex=668f82e1&is=668e3161&hm=7e017edf8da129e30a2fcb14d30182c2271502b04f7a21767231e2ae8b24d4c3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=750&height=177

this is a level 1 lion fang (30%) after two zones

[warped harness]

lion fang always sounded nice but not good enough

[ashen perch]

Sub-10 mins runners you guys are nuts I cannot beat 11 for the life of me

[rain kelp]

am I the only one who thinks Wolf Howl hex is ridiculously strong? It can make you invincible and escape from many tough situations so easily and it takes so little magick to do, the upgrade where it makes you briefly invincible after using it is the cherry on top.

[knotty fulcrum]

I think the downside is you kinda lose time since you dont do that much damage while jumping

but ig most hexes make you lose a bit of time

[sinful marlin]

Yes it's strong af

Damage not bad either

I believe 1600 with max upgrades

[carmine lagoon]

I keep getting shredded in Erebus at 45F charon (no onion no rebuke) but do very well from then on, how do I not time out and lose all my DD’s in Erebus? Just reset until good hammer in first few chambers or hera for ER?

[magic moss]

apollo for lucid start then hope and pray for good erebus skip room rng

also getting origination active is good if you can

ER is good on charon but not entirely needed, I actually prefer sworn flourish over ER on charon since you still get hitch but you also get the dmg%

[surreal hazel]

eheheh, not even close

[sinful marlin]

Nani

[surreal hazel]

Frenzy with smithy sprint can proc 4 times if you have duality and viciousness

and I have no idea how you'd quantify the damage potential of Lethality

[sinful marlin]

Zamnnnn

[surreal hazel]

and it's smithy sprint with all the trimmings, Rude awakening, Grand Caldera, Furnace Blast

assuming you have those, of course

but suffice to say, the damage of wolf howl itself becomes a little bit more trivial, other than it becoming good for stripping the armour off weak elites and Frenzy killing them in one motion

Lethality is pretty dumb good with mel torches

omega special lasts longer and is 100% crit for the entire move, and it'll follow you while you do more wolf howls

I don't think anything compares to its raw damage potential

there's contenders though, and Lunar Ray with both of its sublimes and Disintegration is hilarious and free

Eminence on Total Ecplipse is like getting Athena's Aid with an extra meteor

[sinful marlin]

Great analysis

[surreal hazel]

depends on what selene offers you

but it makes things like moon water seem kinda boring

[sinful marlin]

I took moon water on a scars 3 run

[surreal hazel]

I guess it can still make money happen?

[sinful marlin]

Yes and mana

[weary shadow]

anyone got any tips for the cyclops fight, he beats my ass even at low fear how am i supposed to do 32 lol

[sinful marlin]

I find using ranged weapons easier against him

Like ranged cast + axe of charon or using pan aspect's knives at range

being close u take a lot of damage

[weary shadow]

guess i have to do more surface runs, i suck using the axe so bad

[bleak night]

You might do better if you break into the houses in Ephyra and get more samples

maybe get Foreman to help you grab stuff

[pseudo sequoia]

also helps to have your cast down constantly since that holds him in place

[weary shadow]

i cant believe I'm suffering the repercussions of losing a bet in a hades 2 channel

[weary shadow]

wait it does? I've just been panicking every time i fight him lmao

[bleak night]

If you can write me a scrip for Vicodin, that'd be lovely

[pseudo sequoia]

yeah, casts aren't usually that great in boss fights, but they do hold bigger guys like polyphemus and cerberus in place, so keep that in mind

[brittle osprey]

How to play Eos

or is moros better

[night cosmos]

yo quick question but does glorious disaster work with charon on the new patch, just wanna double check

[rough trench]

For Eos, I like putting up an omega special and then start blasting attack so it's constantly exploding in enemies' faces. Triple Helix upgrade is really good so you get three flames rotating around you.

[shadow yarrow]

Man, they really need to nerf the pillars in the Eris fight, completely trivializes her lol

[brittle osprey]

tnx

[uneven palm]

That sounds more like Moros

[tall notch]

Click Hera
https://youtu.be/jqJhpEMbtvo?si=MpnUUDn07s63QIow

[brittle osprey]

tnx

[vale gate]

does shocking loss work on bosses

[steel sequoia]

i dont think so

[surreal hazel]

er no

Minibosses though, yes

[vale gate]

thats something atleast

[surreal hazel]

Also just funny

[vale gate]

how do i not lose 3 defiances to hecate

[carmine lagoon]

What fear?

[vale gate]

40

[magic moss]

due to time or just getting hit

[carmine lagoon]

Do you die to Hecate herself or time?

[vale gate]

getting hit

and then i get hit by the beach ball and waste another 20943 secodns

[carmine lagoon]

Just play it safer then, don’t aggro eg when she does her circle attack. After a bit of practice you’ll have a good sense of how many attacks you can pull off usually for each of her moves

[carmine lagoon]

Frinos is friend, if not then try learn to dash around it, but that’s quite hard at fury 2

[vale gate]

is there a way to identify the real hecate when she splits in 3?

[magic moss]

most of hecate’s attacks are really telegraphed based on visual and audio cues so you can dodge using those

[carmine lagoon]

If you have directional audio, one of them may say something, go to that one

But sometimes she says nothing and it just sucks

[limpid coral]

what attacks are u getting hit by

[vale gate]

yh thats why i get frustrated when i die there because i feel its free but screw it up evertime

[limpid coral]

are you committing to attacking too long and getting left unable to react

[vale gate]

i think so

[carmine lagoon]

Overall I’d say be consistent with when you go in for each move. For example, I do 2 Charon blasts, one inside and then one outside of the circle, when she does the circle attack. If you consistently get hit, play safer. If you consistently don’t get hit, continue what you’re doing so far. Main issue with improving is not knowing what you’re doing wrong, so if you have the same strategy per move every time, you’ll know where you’re going wrong

[limpid coral]

well, there ya go 👍

[vale gate]

actually its a problem with hecate

how do you not die to pretty much anything that you arent hitstunning

[limpid coral]

hecate has a pretty consistent gap between her attacks so be aware of when she is about to start winding up a new attack

[silent crow]

dodg e attacks idk

[vale gate]

ill try that

[carmine lagoon]

Let her do a move, go in as she winds up for the next one, leave before she finishes wind up for next move. Don’t attack while she’s doing a move if you’re not confident as of yet

[limpid coral]

dont stand or walk around in a place where an enemy can swing 👍

[civic ocean]

95% of the time, in my experience, when Hecate triple divides she is the one furthest away from Melinoe at the moment of the split

[surreal hazel]

Listen for her

The real one speaks and stereo sound identifies where

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1245199026778013757/1245199027306369045/2024-05-28_18-51-35_-_frame_at_0m19s.jpg?ex=668fe936&is=668e97b6&hm=80d8cbedd0449561d117ecd02e2ab1b6fd1ebdcfabc35ba3d8bfd75b1fa43fe5& smoke cloud thingy

[vale gate]

oow

[civic ocean]

I've never been able to consistently get either of those things tbh

[steel sequoia]

i always target the far one, its always that

[limpid coral]

Headphones buff is real

[vale gate]

pay to win

[civic ocean]

I have earbuds but it doesn't really register to me

[steel sequoia]

from where u are id say left one

[vale gate]

if record a run or a few would someone be willing to review it

[bleak night]

I have never won before with this still intact https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247782897457303562/1260634829372915772/image.png?ex=6690092c&is=668eb7ac&hm=9c579fd416fe407a6ae7c75634ddd959dc7aa97fc1fa22a7b16203069709fde8&

[limpid coral]

is that nem replacing echo lol

[vale gate]

i have a run recorded

[bleak night]

I can look at it tomorrow for ya

[tender anvil]

Goat!

No-selling both Cerb and Chronos is nuts

[bleak night]

No-selling ?

Also ngl Pers is a really safe aspect to play

[tender anvil]

It’s a wrestling term, when someone getting hit doesn’t show in any way that the opponent hurt him

In this case, your achievement shows that neither Chronos nor Cerb can hurt you

[bleak night]

Lightning Lance is funny

and honestly, Omega Special making you invul is fun to abuse using this thing, so there's also that

[tender anvil]

See, that’s why I love fetching on Meli skulls

Achieves the same result basically. Minus the invulnerable pinball phase

[limpid coral]

aspect of pinball when

aim and lose control but lasts for longer

[carmine lagoon]

onion >>>>>>>>>>>> commotion 3

[limpid coral]

does that > mean easier or harder

[carmine lagoon]

i struggled sm on 45f charon commotion 3, thought might as well try replace it with onion, win with 5:29 left on timer, all dd's, one resistance used LMAO

[carmine lagoon]

easier, though i did get lucid gain chamber 3

and natty heph

and +112% special from chaos... ok i see how this may be a stroke of luck

[spare kite]

"Onion/ap2 are fine, just get the boons! "

[carmine lagoon]

99% of gamblers quit before their next big win

[tall notch]

I'm an onion hater. For 47f Charon, I sooner turned on rebuke 2 than onion

[tender anvil]

6th weapon hidden aspect!

[tender anvil]

Rebuke is fine if you get stuff that counters it. With onion you neither need, nor get that stuff. So in my book onion is indeed better/easier

Some weapons just naturally eat rebuke, of course, so it’s weapon dependand

[tall notch]

My onion experience is boonless Oceanus 😭 that really does hurt a lot

[tender anvil]

In my experience god trials kinda offset that, as they are unaffected by onion. Same with shops

[tired fulcrum]

And now sorc slows chronos so its even freer

[tall notch]

I'll forever remain an onion hater. The only time when I run it is 50f where I have to

I hate that vow more than Foolish hates Eos

[vale gate]

thanks

[steel sequoia]

i am surprised i killed p2 chronos with 2 hits https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1260648219109756968/20240710142353_1.jpg?ex=669015a5&is=668ec425&hm=8edc2f9e064f4ac1139420fa4799cb6b8da7cb621f925162975b9d873a40815d& i didnt even had elem particles

[bleak night]

@tender anvil Yeah this weapon is rly fun https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1259544381296476191/1260650197235798046/image.png?ex=6690177c&is=668ec5fc&hm=d578a085ed0bcbe01aff6b88ca95216a51013652e943be8a7d4a4ab2ef25ac1e&

I like how inflated the boon count is from the Moon Beam

[magic moss]

you got a vid to this i can watch? I cannot play persephone

[bleak night]

I'm not recording rn, but I do have a Pers vid up already anyway

[magic moss]

ok ok

[bleak night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQEb5GP3iM4&feature=youtu.be

[carmine lagoon]

whats up with the legendary-coloured selene upgrades?

[bleak night]

Multiple of the same node

[carmine lagoon]

why isnt magnitude lvl specified tho

[bleak night]

The basic upgrades being stacked on top of each other, essentially

[tender anvil]

I should take a break from grinding abandon and do a possessed+hestia gain run for fun. Didn’t do possessed much at all this patch. Unlike dashing heave, it does scale with apollo

[bleak night]

I'll just wait for next patch to try for more Abandon

[bleak night]

Unsure ngl lol

[carmine lagoon]

wont that a. take forever, b. make things harder if er gets shredded?

[tender anvil]

Not sure how mana intensive aspects work with 50 base mana and priming, got to be a separate pain in itself

[bleak night]

I'm not going to use ER anyway

[civic ocean]

With a few small exceptions basically every patch has made the player stronger

[stoic kettle]

Wondering if you all could critique my 32 fear config...

but why cant I figure out how to post a screen shot haha

[spare kite]

send to another discord, right click and press copy link

[stoic kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1186494522780303452/1260700262587306014/Hades_II_8.png?ex=6690461d&is=668ef49d&hm=fc67d45a79789171d8c5c52b58008b38e53cf9f8236437e1ba60632f8f1ecbe0&

[stoic kettle]

thank youuuuuu

[spare kite]

Is this for surface or underworld

[stoic kettle]

underworld

[spare kite]

Take that onion off please

[stoic kettle]

I was gonna say the onion is killin me way more than I thought

where do you think the other fear should go

[spare kite]

Just do some mix-match with early lvls of blood/hp/+enemies

Or rebuke if your weapon can handle it

[stoic kettle]

Does adding 20% more enimies slow down tight deadline significantly tho?

[spare kite]

Not really

Also is that haunting that you have on or revs

[stoic kettle]

def not revenant

i hate that one

[spare kite]

Aight is fine then
But yeah +20% enemies/+10% hp is barely noticeable

[limpid coral]

I love indistinct icons with no label woo

[spare kite]

So just do some of that

[limpid coral]

Every 10% mhp is pretty significantly less difficulty than most other curse points you can take

[stoic kettle]

I'll play around with that! Screw that onion

[stoic kettle]

ikr

[viscid spade]

persephone enjoyers, after hera special and zeus cast, what's the play for 3rd/4th gods? poseidon golden rule or apollo for prominence flare and maybe that cast duo with zeus?

[limpid coral]

golden rule also applies to storm ring doesnt it

[stoic kettle]

Thanks yall

[limpid coral]

you could try to highroll golden rule

[spare kite]

Prominece is worse cuz it takes longer to drop another cast afaik

[viscid spade]

oh, thats fair

[spare kite]

And you need to omega cast in the first place

[elfin ivy]

I love instantly forgetting about Nervous Wreck and wondering why enemies are getting Vent inflicted on them out of nowhere
(The joke here is that I almost reported it as a "bug" 😭)

[limpid coral]

enemy so nervous it literally explodes

[dreamy thicket]

Does Smithy Sprint count as an Omega move?

[silent crow]

no

[dreamy thicket]

Damn, so the Chaos +Omega Move damage boon won't affect it then?

[silent crow]

no

[steel sequoia]

bruh not even nem wants selene, she left the boon in oceanus

[uneven palm]

Yeah golden rule is one option, or Demeter (cyclones) and Aphro or Apollo for more Air and try to get Air Quality online. Or Aphro/Apollo and try to get a little Heartthrob factory up and running

[steel sequoia]

heroic chaos is so meme https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1260720933765906542/20240710185351_1.jpg?ex=6690595d&is=668f07dd&hm=07c3fdb83b7a596c281a6a3de2c49e6bbfc13c22af50d7a971bce80c82c15fe1&

im stocked for next patch https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1260721161390526504/20240710184014_1.jpg?ex=66905993&is=668f0813&hm=a07b06fc6b19a1cef120da0e48ff113d1ed9a6e5724660a71d856f094ca96f38&

[timber pawn]

I think you actually have too many lol

[wise idol]

Unless they add 5th aspects for every weapon and a 7th that’s way too many lol

[timber pawn]

Currently we're missing what... 9 aspects? Hidden for each 5 existing, and then 4 more for the last wep

So 81 is the amount needed? I guess? And it'll have it's own nightmare testaments

So like 75ish

[split igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/cow-bell-fever-guees-what-gif-8044196

More aspects

[wise idol]

Depends on if hidden aspects use resources or nightmare

Like how Mel aspects use resources

[timber pawn]

Oh that's interesting

[west summit]

I'm guessing they'd use Nightmare

[knotty fulcrum]

did they announce when they will release 6th weap/4th aspect?

[wise idol]

Next weapon is likely in the next major update, which they are working on now

Hidden aspects we don’t have real confirmation on but they could release with any major update really

[knotty fulcrum]

ok thanks. can't wait

[wise idol]

Same here!

[lament spoke]

hey gang do I want Heracles damage boost or Hermes speed boost more in tartarus

[steel sequoia]

what if they put all hades1 weap? gotta be prepared

[steel sequoia]

everything depends on weapon/fear/build

[knotty fulcrum]

I prefer droplet on almost anything. If I don't run droplet it's either pin or smth like the hammer one

[lament spoke]

uhhhhh I've got one level of make those guys faster

but I've got the hera/demeter duo so Heracles starts off at 70% damage boost

and I've got midnight oil and am just not using my Hex

[knotty fulcrum]

than that might be better since droplet woldnt benefit too much from that duo

[lament spoke]

droplet gets me 300s (I haven't fully levelled droplet yet bc I only take it in tartarus

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah that should be enough I think

[silent crow]

speed

[knotty fulcrum]

wait are you talking about tart or fields rn?

[steel sequoia]

i dont like droplet, im a fleece main, but than im running more pin to get used to it

[lament spoke]

tart

[knotty fulcrum]

oh damn take pin lol

[knotty fulcrum]

I can't lie I totaly forgot about fleece. tho I don't remember using omega moves for main damage in a super long time

[lament spoke]

I'm playing artemis so I'm not using omegas enough for fleece tbh

[knotty fulcrum]

what fear

[lament spoke]

3

we're just going speedy - I've got one level of vow of fury

[knotty fulcrum]

idk when I was playing low fear artemis I just spammed omega attack over and over

[steel sequoia]

yeah, i just spam omega with artemis, but depends on what youve got already

[plain fossil]

Its fine to play manaless artemis but in any case pin usually ends up doing more damage than damage keepsakes

The exception is if u have no damage and u expect the fight to be very long

[steel sequoia]

a lot of IFs but you can run evil eye, pin, lion fang

[lament spoke]

(pin?)

[plain fossil]

Moros pin

[lament spoke]

oh real

[plain fossil]

10 seconds of free damage is a lot of damage

[knotty fulcrum]

you can also run lucky tooth if you don't think you will lose dd in tart rooms

[lament spoke]

I've got a silly amount of health tbh I'm not really expecting to die

[plain fossil]

If u think u wont lose any dds at all then ur choice of keepsake doesnt matter unless ur speedrunning

[knotty fulcrum]

I mean if you are confident just run some smth you havent maxed yet

[plain fossil]

And if ur speedrunning u would have already clicked droplet surely

[steel sequoia]

go lion fang, if you lose than just try again another run

[lament spoke]

see. I don't know how to be good at games. hence me asking questions

[knotty fulcrum]

arent speedruners using antler in tart?

[lament spoke]

if I used antler anywhere I would die <3

[plain fossil]

Antler is also fine but this guy mentioned he wont die due to having hp

So im assuming he wont click antler

[knotty fulcrum]

ok fair

[lament spoke]

woah assigned he/him in hades server how fun

was it the pink heart shaped glasses

[steel sequoia]

i play 12fear and i mainly use fleece, pin and evil eye, always solid, usually i have enough damage after the last pick

[lament spoke]

nod nod

[knotty fulcrum]

but what builds do you use fleece on? is fleece for all omega moves?

[steel sequoia]

and im disgusted about moros, i will come back to EOS its way more fun to play

[lament spoke]

I've gone droplet. will let you know how fast it goes

[drowsy kraken]

Heracles damage boost tends to last longer, I can only get hermes' speed boost to last like the first phase of chronos

[steel sequoia]

yeah, all omegas: After you take 250 damage, your Ω Moves deal +40% damage.

[drowsy kraken]

Good luck

[knotty fulcrum]

works on charon cast? if anyone knows

[steel sequoia]

i mostly play charon, persephone, pan and eos so its always good

[drowsy kraken]

Charon cast counts as an omega move

[steel sequoia]

and im playing more momus now too

so usually blackened fleece, thanks ms spida

[knotty fulcrum]

not on that death arcana card

[drowsy kraken]

LOL who uses death tho

[knotty fulcrum]

whyy? most op aspect fr

[steel sequoia]

yeah but its boring to play

[knotty fulcrum]

I mean nobody but if it would work on charon it would be nice

[drowsy kraken]

If it would work on charon maybe people would actually use it

[knotty fulcrum]

you can also use it on momus. if you actually use the aspect that is

[drowsy kraken]

Yeah death is actually good with momus because I tend to switch up which omega moves but I still dont use it lmao

[steel sequoia]

i like to play omega momus, attack spam is fun sometimes only bc its the same on 3 staffs

i never change my arcana and its overall good

[drowsy kraken]

Honestly fair. The only thing I change is adding the cast buffs if Im playing axe

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah I also change huntress for the cast one for charon. and unseen for some torches

[magic moss]

the opportunity cost of death is not worth imo

[drowsy kraken]

Genuinely 😭 there's so many other strong as hell arcanas

[lament spoke]

wait when you say you play 12 fear is that like. for speed or just to make it hard

anyway tartarus took me 4 whole minutes which is garbage but I've also had a bottle of wine and 2 cocktails so

[steel sequoia]

its easy fear https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1258917836768936018/20240705194828_1.jpg?ex=668fb8d9&is=668e6759&hm=bd04c1f2134823aa91f26214fec5d70cc2e9cec0779d23aec70325164d54886e& just so you dont get rust if you wanna play high fear later

[lament spoke]

oh slay

[steel sequoia]

wandering, timer and fury, the basics

[lament spoke]

I rly do need to start using the timer more - I never use it in h1 because I like the survive for X seconds rooms but we don't have those in h2 so I can go ham on the timer

[vale gate]

why do u like the survival rooms

[drowsy kraken]

Wandering is basically free

[lament spoke]

because they don't count against your in-game timer

[vale gate]

but you didnt run the timer anyway

[lament spoke]

no but like

the timer of how long your run has taken

they're a free room in h1 basically

[drowsy kraken]

The survival rooms add a nice variety anyway

[steel sequoia]

timer 2 and fury 2 needs to be free imo, its a good way to adapt

i dont play timer3 bc of erebus, sometimes i just cant do it so its always 7

i do recommend this 12fear for basic fun

[vale gate]

arty room is kinda survival

[plain fossil]

I consider forsaking negative fear so id generally click that over wandering

[drowsy kraken]

I can do timer3 on low fear but yeah if Im doing 32 even just erebus would kill me

[drowsy kraken]

To be clear, I think the room variety in hades 2 is amazing. And yeah I love that art, nem etc pause your timer its lifesaving

[lament spoke]

wait artemis pauses your timer?

[cursive oyster]

yep

[lament spoke]

(and they don't show up if you run timer on the pact. is the important bit

[knotty fulcrum]

all rooms of this type stop your timer. like nemesis heracles etc

[lament spoke]

heracles <3

[drowsy kraken]

Yeah during the battle! But it unpauses aftee

[lament spoke]

not in a gameplay sense. I'm just constantly thinking about him. I think the wine has hit

[knotty fulcrum]

still time saver

[vale gate]

yep

[drowsy kraken]

Yeah haha I just mentioned because I didnt realise at first she pauses it mid battle because Id only check the timer afterwards when its already ticking. Talking to her takes like 3 seconds

[knotty fulcrum]

also if you want to save time if chronos teleports you to asphodel you can just stay out of the zone and it will end the room when it reaches 0% but you don't get the reward

[knotty fulcrum]

it also pauses before she appears I think so you can see that its that kind of room and play safe from the beginning

[drowsy kraken]

It starts running while shes spawning. But it is about as much time passing as going into a chaos gate so I like it

[lament spoke]

OH SICK

[drowsy kraken]

When I found this out I felt so cheated. Like youre telling me Id just been risking myself for psyche I dont need the whole time?

[lament spoke]

I literally assumed you would die

[drowsy kraken]

Yeah fr

[viscid spade]

📌 this I bet 90% of players don't know this I hate that room

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1260743803153940584/image.png?ex=66906eaa&is=668f1d2a&hm=b97ea549d812c15a2d6975826ec457ddc76941b132dd8e15feb574bc64b57cce& imagine if i had gotten ANY skip room

no arachne no nem no artemis

[light shard]

Whoa I didn't know that!

[magic moss]

next run i get a really good chaos and 3 skip rooms BUT I GET 4 ARMORED HIPPO AND ARMORED CASKET ROOMS WITH WHISPER WAVES

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1257154732816990229/1260749415774425241/image.png?ex=669073e4&is=668f2264&hm=83a32b9e72ea942708d278e921e38e65ebdfb44122024196891cc2c0462eedf1& is this winnable chat

[rain kelp]

I think this the most Infusion boons I've ever gotten, Elementary Particles is the goat

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/793548514214412299/1260750076633153686/image.png?ex=66907481&is=668f2301&hm=6ac5887a084c184d9f0cf9d0853690874fc83e01af94718881956560ea361d96&

[plain fossil]

This is also a problem with early heph fwiw u end up clearing rooms slower

[magic moss]

heph was super late

[plain fossil]

Even if u got 1 skip u lose to timer here

If u get 2 skip ur probably ok but maybe take damage

[magic moss]

got zeus -> hera -> aphro -> hermes -> heph -> hera from shop

[plain fossil]

Speaking of this btw does anyone know if artemis can spawn in god reward rooms? No right

[magic moss]

dont think so

now that im thinking about it this many boons is just worse since less skip chances

[plain fossil]

Yea and not in first like 5 rooms either i think, same with nem

[magic moss]

good to know good to know take less boons to clear erebus XDD

[plain fossil]

Thats what im getting at, yeah

Well u cant rly avoid it but for me its more about not feeling that bad when u get ur whole build set up but lose to timer in erebus

Because the same thing that let u set up ur build is also making u more likely to fail timer

[plain fossil]

Whats a casket btw

[magic moss]

worm gunners

[plain fossil]

Oh at least they have no hp

Theyre very annoying on mel torch tho because its pretty immobile between dashes

[magic moss]

i just got an artemis encounter 5 so its possible ig

[plain fossil]

Maybe 4 then, not sure

I know u cant get these special rooms very early i just dont know the breakpoints

[magic moss]

lmfao i have this chat opened on my phone below me and i looked down to read your message and i got swipped by the shadowspiller xdd

[plain fossil]

Deserved

I eat shadow spiller damage too much ngl

Especially if i dont have a damage boon and have to dance around the little crawlies for a bit

[charred monolith]

Does anyone know offhand if the skull's Possessed Array hammer would trigger Hera's Blood Line?

[timber pawn]

It does, ya. And it also doesn't increase the mana cost of possessed array

[charred monolith]

Thanks, preciate it 🙂

[ionic moon]

that's pretty tasty. weed killer too?

[timber pawn]

Yup!

Great synergies there for sure

[past salmon]

They can both spawning R5 iirc

Arty can't spawn in any room with a menu
So like boons/poms

[uneven palm]

Apollo's legendary is also free there

[timber pawn]

I haven't seen a legendary in what feels like 100 runs lol

[uneven palm]

I mean yeah they're scams but in theory

[past salmon]

I swear they don't exist

[timber pawn]

Tbh we are both on opposite ends of the 'no boons' spectrum

High fear and speeds aren't really conducive to finding legendaries lol

[tall notch]

Meeting any legendary's prerequisites with onion + forsaking is almost impossible haha

I have not seen one in ages either

[plain fossil]

Ty for clarification

[steel sequoia]

240hs and im pretty sure this is the 1st time i see this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1260777703338938378/20240710224756_1.jpg?ex=66908e3c&is=668f3cbc&hm=36b503f74753814f334942f47bd39f68a7b23be08a3458b0a7926afe0b679be0&

[past salmon]

I got that yesterday in a 50F lol
Kinda hype too bad I choked TF out of Chronos fight

[keen solar]

love how heroic breaker sprint + nitro boost is the closest ill get to how hyper sprint felt lmao

[magic moss]

#h2-feedback message go upvote

[west summit]

Aspect of Circe just feels too rigid. Not only does it enforce a mixed build, you can’t freely switch between regular and omega if you want to make good use of Serenity. Also the omegas during Serenity should just cost 0.

[vapid hatch]

https://postimg.cc/7G8yFxcS
maybe the earliest instance of natural selection 🙏

[drowsy kraken]

yeah the fact that it cancels out when you use your omega beforehand is why I think it's unusable. unless I luck out and get mirrored thrasher the runs gonna be slow as hell

[vapid hatch]

https://postimg.cc/5Q9m4LdM
mhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

chronos likes to cheat

[drowsy kraken]

HAH

[vapid hatch]

ok, with nat selection, starting from erebus (hecate) I ended up with 19 boons total (taking every shop and counting hermes (2) boons aswell)
edit: concave stone was used in erebus aswell

[drowsy kraken]

Wait getting it early sounds amazing....

[vapid hatch]

idk, I havent kept track of other runs that didnt have nat selection

buuut, I indeed never saw coin/heart/magick rooms (except for my last screenshot)

[vapid hatch]

ok, just looked at another night in past deeds, and I got 22 boons total in the other night

26 for another one

[vapid hatch]

yeah, I kinda overestimated nat selection, any run I am currently looking at has atleast 2+ more boons

[warped harness]

if you get pushed by the water spitting towers in oceanus while going to another area you get launched offscreen

it doesnt bug you out but it was really funny

[drowsy kraken]

Okay I've been trying to figure out a way to play on higher fear than 32 when I completely hate those dang onions so I JUST realised natural selection would solve my problems

I started getting more success with fear runs when I stopping taking bitterness but I'm like. Surely you can find a way?

[past salmon]

Dont take bitterness before 45F and debatabely don't take it before 50F
It's one of the roughest vows

[sinful marlin]

I think bitterness only works on surface

Otherwise you get btfo

[past salmon]

oh yeah its chill to take on surface at like 32

[warped harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422149143205773315/1260859350214512641/image.png?ex=6690da46&is=668f88c6&hm=00984850c6042f0c0969ff1cc46fa2740f29d4822625586a98cd8a275053bf39&

which do yall reccomend i max next? im kinda feeling the arty knives

i have 5 nightmare so i can bring any of them to max

actually ima do eos max and medea up one

[sinful marlin]

Momus

Is there any point to actually levelling up Artemis knives? I don't understand how it makes a difference

Does the omega attack channel faster

[warped harness]

yea

ill level momus next tho i already spent the nightmare

oh you can get a boon you previously selected after it gets taken away bc of burnt offer even if you have the banishment pact

oh god eos feels bad against bosses

[plain fossil]

hey guys is split spark still bugged with eos or not

[warped harness]

what is spit spark

bc i think i have it and it doesnt double the big ghost

[drowsy kraken]

Oh I didn't reply to this but yeah I'll still be practicing with other oaths before resorting to that HAHHDJFF I just mean it gives me an idea about how to work around it in the future

[plain fossil]

armoured hippos in room 4 should be considered a war crime

[past salmon]

#h2-victory-boasting message
@warm lodge yeah this has been known for a while and is also currently the most used Strat by speedrunners

GR do be borked atm

[vital ledge]

Now I see why people don't like the onion. Did a run with this setup yesterday for my first 40 win and I had to get extremely lucky. 🙂 at 20-24 fear the onion feels good, but later, nah! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/346989285225791488/1260878147306393700/image.png?ex=6690ebc8&is=668f9a48&hm=21041978e519ca6ce9c5bf5f8302a40f5b5d29b69e067923b3f7255a5b790bf9&

[warm lodge]

Fair enough, it’s been a self discovery so was pretty happy figuring out the math.

[past salmon]

yeah this is a pretty crazy setup for 40F imo

[vital ledge]

really can't decide if vow of blood or suffering is easier here. suffering just makes erebus impossible, but IF you can luck into heph during oceanus it is free.

which is exactly what happened. hermes legendary with 5hp, then DD refill from echo. luck only run

[past salmon]

tbh I think ur better off turning both on and reducing the amount of opportunities you have to take damagew

also taking onion over timer 3 is uhh

[vital ledge]

hehe. I mean the run was 25 minutes after all. +60% enemies with big health bars and damage control is just dumb

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1260879611496108083/image.png?ex=6690ed25&is=668f9ba5&hm=33d8b6381d76463aae1376788c7f2e75e73ad4a67c0ee0ea9bffb8913b74afd3&
Idk this just seems like a much easier 40F
More dangerous health and damage wise but way less opportunities to take damage, timer shouldn't bne an issue and you have way more boons

depending on weapon I would even up suffering to take off rebuke
(skulls and Axe do not the rebuke)

[limpid coral]

wonder if u ever take revs over wandering

[past salmon]

revs is worth less so

[limpid coral]

arent they both 2?

[past salmon]

wandering is 3

[limpid coral]

oh for some reason I remember 2 oop

i never think about its cost cause it's just always on

[past salmon]

tbh Wandering is fine when its not stacking ontop opf Commotion/Revs/Onion

Like wandering making the first 3 rooms hell with onion is

[limpid coral]

but like lurkers and hippos in erebus and tanky shades and stuff in oceanus eat up a lot of time

[vital ledge]

I should give 0 healing a try at least. never used that before and the amount of healing I got here was probably only worth 5 hits total or so

[past salmon]

yeh not having scars 3 on after 32F is a bad idea imo

you start getting into being forced into blood/suffering anyway so ur most likely losing DD's more than ur losing HP that can then be healed

Healing just isn't that amazing a lot of the time

I'd much rather take the 2 Fear away from like Revs

[vital ledge]

and with +80% money cost, you can't buy cool stuff anyway. I see

I guess you don't like revs because of the 5 minute timer? currently I see one point in revs as free fear, the second just get's annoying after a while.

[past salmon]

Revs create extra opportunities to take damage

ur either nuking ur timer by not being aggressive with picking them up or ur picking them up and taking hits sometimes

especially on smth like Charon that without revs can literally just sit in the corner of a room and artillery barrage everything without any risk

[drowsy kraken]

Guys are poseidons cast boons good..... I hate that tidal wave has such a small window of damage (might aswell take his sprint in that case 😔)

[robust prism]

I think it's kinda less bad to take in the underworld now since they made artificer so much cheaper so you can somewhat compensate

[meager bramble]

Is Tranquil Gain still quite bad, or am I missing how to ideally use it?

The regen rate is great but it still requires you to find time to do nothing, rather a difficult task in this game

[west summit]

Tranquill Gain is antithetical to Hades gameplay

[vital ledge]

onion: can't force specific gods with a god keepsake. biggest downside in my opinion. otherwise it's just: you delay your base boon setup into the fields instead of being ready to go during oceanus. you don't need a boon in tartarus anyway and rarely do I get anything mandatory in the fields either. so it's basically -2 good boons and -1 optional boon.

[meager bramble]

That is pretty much how I feel, yes

Maybe not quite as bad as "intentionally take damage"

But quite bad nonetheless

[west summit]

At least take damage has build such as revenge stuff and whatnot

[glass tapir]

So it turns out you can fit the Aphro/Heph duo, the Heph/Hestia duo, and the Aphro/Apollo duo all in, and then you get 6 heartthrobs per heph attack.

[west summit]

But standing still+no attacking???😭

[plain fossil]

if u take a god keepsake with onion the god keepsake doesnt get used up when ur first boon gets deleted by the onion

[meager bramble]

Oh my! Really?

[plain fossil]

the first actual god boon option u get after that will be ur keepsake god

[west summit]

well yeah, you're not rarifying the onion lol of course effect still there

[vital ledge]

yeah, but you don't necessarily get the god again don't you? (legit question, I don't think it is forced)

[plain fossil]

yea otherwise playing charon at 50f would be absolute herpes

[plain fossil]

you absolutely do

[vital ledge]

oooooooooh! maybe I'am an onion believer now 😛

[plain fossil]

artificer is random, if ur using that, but ur first room reward god after the onion goes off will be ur keepsake god

i mean as someone who spends their life parked in high 40s to 50 u really dont want to click onion until u have to

[meager bramble]

It does make me happy how Supergiant has thought through so many of these interactions and overwhelmingly decided to make them fair

[west summit]

Barren curse when Judgement vs Barren curse when The Boatman

[plain fossil]

i think the few people that do only 50 also hate onion and just click it when they have to

[meager bramble]

Like how Moon Beam still will give you your +5 on the next Path of Stars, even if you find it in the next region when you're not using it anymore as the keepsake

[west summit]

Should Antler be multiregion again?

[vital ledge]

well... then my 40f run was even luckier than I thought, as I used crap keepsakes like 150 gold, thinking I can't force gods anyway

[past salmon]

bro 😭

[past salmon]

Hey I like Onion

[past salmon]

no

[west summit]

Should Excellence cost 4 grasp instead?

[plain fossil]

i swear to god frinos is lowering my percentage of dodging sheep hex

[plain fossil]

i mean i wouldnt click excellence most of the time if it cost 1 grasp so yes but also no

but yea frinos man every time line urself up and he decides to jump to nowhere

[amber osprey]

I'd like the onion more if Trial of the Gods had higher rng chance. Idk if I was unlucky, but I've had, like, less than 10. total. in 200+ nights

[robust prism]

even at 4 grasp I don't think I would ever use excellence

maybe excellence and divinity should be swapped so that the bonus rare chance is 0 grasp and the bonus epic chance is maybe 4 grasp

or even just 3

[steel sequoia]

i think epic is on purpous so you get punished by arrogance

if you make rare than its w/e and you barely boosts it to heroic

but Excellence is in a bad spot imo, bad row for grasp and costs too much for what it offers

[robust prism]

it's the only arcana card I would literally never take in a "serious" run no matter what

[past salmon]

Excellence do kinda just suck
Tbf death is kinda poop outside of like Momus lol

[robust prism]

I think it's good on Persephone at least and fine on other staff aspects too

[plain fossil]

Death doesnt work properly on momus

[past salmon]

Idk if I ever even tried it on Perseph actually lmao

[plain fossil]

It seems to only apply to the omega that u drop urself

Not to turret omegas

[past salmon]

Oh that sucks

[plain fossil]

On the bright side it does work on the first omega of a new zone, which doesnt really match the wording

[robust prism]

I was kinda wondering about that

[plain fossil]

It might be okay on persephone tho im not clear how it works with zeus cast

[robust prism]

I think it's just the cast detonation at the end that can crit but I'm not sure

[past salmon]

If the crit hits Ur Ospec does it make all the hits crit or just the first wave.
Cuz if its just the first wave thas kinda poopy

[robust prism]

all of them I believe

at least I know for a fact that with Than all of the omega attack hits can crit, don't know why this would be any different

[steel sequoia]

its not good anyways

but you dont wanna spend 5 grasp for rares chance

[robust prism]

?

[drowsy kraken]

Theyre prolly responding to the excellence convo

[robust prism]

oh I guess

[rich lynx]

Torch + split hammer + fire god boon that regents mana on hit is op

[drowsy kraken]

Hearth gain is already op on torches 😫 I swear the rework was done with ygnium in mind because that mana regen is juiiiicy