h2-builds-and-combat

[civic ocean]

Yeah its 2 x 3

[limpid coral]

Free

[magic moss]

ok nvm fury2 >

idk ive had everything enabled for so long i forgot how much each gave lmfao

[civic ocean]

Which animations are faster than human reaction

[tender anvil]

hot take - the most dangerous vow is suffering. Brings you into one-hit territory, no other vow does that by itself. On the other hand, it's fully countered by one boon - Trusty Shield.

[civic ocean]

Suffering and Abandon are the two worst ones for sure

[magic moss]

absolutely i think suffering THE bait vow

[tender anvil]

Imo it needs to be redesigned, currently it's very binary

[steel sequoia]

im a bad granny and the only problem i had with fury2 was cyclops and chronos, everything is easier now than last patch, i dont think they arent impossible to dodge

[bright token]

for example the small flying fish charge

[steel sequoia]

it just gets harder to medicate in high fear

[limpid coral]

why are you trying to react to that stuff

[civic ocean]

Doesn't the fish charge have a windup

[magic moss]

it does but nigh unreactable in a realistic scenario with fury2

[civic ocean]

Like once it comes out ye

[steel sequoia]

small fish and skulls you just trap them with cast before they steamroll you

[limpid coral]

like its so much easier to just like realize that if you get close without staggering it, it can hit you and just... Not let that happen

Just say no 👍

[civic ocean]

"Easier" is a bit idk at 40+ lol like its really hard

[limpid coral]

Applies to a lot of stuff. if u get near something and then stand still or move into where the enemy can hit u they will hit u

fury or no fury

[tender anvil]

Suffering is the reason I mostly play ranged weapons - it's much easier to react when there's a cast between you and the enemies

[faint pasture]

Lol, just had a nice run, then picked Hestia&Hera Duo boon, got a buch of nice infusion boons.... aaaand left with not enough mana to cast even a single special

[civic ocean]

But like most things it depends - like how much more damage are you taking from doing a run at fury 2? 40% 20% if it's less than 40% it's more valuable than Blood II right

[vale gate]

assuming you get either echo or midshop, how many encounters are there in the fields?

[bright token]

a lot of and maybe most enemies have some sort of windups but they are sometimes very hard to spot with plethora of enemies in hte encounter that have literally the same color pallet as the environment

so if you are superskilled you can probably avoid it. but in general at the base game speed you can react to a lot of attacks when the hit animation is already starting

also the major argument against the speed vow is that the game has a lot of homing projectiles that make it superhard to find time to deal dmg. the medusas are a joke at the base speed. but at 40% they are not joking around

[civic ocean]

There isnt a midshop, assuming you get echo and midboss it's 7 encounters including cerb

[tender anvil]

you mostly aim for 7 (2+elite+3+Cerberus)

[vale gate]

o

[tender anvil]

think best case is actually 6, I had 2x 2 encounter rooms several times

[steel sequoia]

well i play charon/persephone fury2 without sorceress and i dont think people should do that

[vale gate]

so if u take the random hammer thing post sirens it lasts till chronos?

[tender anvil]

wish they didn't nuke the chaos gate skip

[civic ocean]

Usually yes

[steel sequoia]

yeah always most likely

[bright token]

that's a bummer

[vale gate]

but im guessing most hammers suck so getting the hammer u want is extreme high roll

[steel sequoia]

i think i never expired hammer after fields

[civic ocean]

I wonder if random hammer highroll is the way on 50f staff

Just start erebus with 2 hammers ez

[tender anvil]

hmm, wonder how reliable it is to get hammer in Oceanus

[steel sequoia]

i usually get god keepsake, chaos, hammer, fleece in my runs.

[tender anvil]

Tart is 6 encounters, so if oceanus can be 7 it should last till Chronos (7+7+6)

[civic ocean]

Is tart 6 I thought it was 5

[tender anvil]

Chronos is 6th

[civic ocean]

Right but chronos doesnt count right

[tender anvil]

but you actually need the hammer to still have a charge for him

[civic ocean]

Oh yeah

[steel sequoia]

you need to make a "fast" tartarus to oceanus hammer lasts enough

[civic ocean]

So it would need to be 8 or fewer encounters in oceanus

[tender anvil]

well, at high fear fast tartarus is the only option

[civic ocean]

Do you ignore hades I feel like you do

[magic moss]

you have some breathing room assuming your oceanus wasnt garbage

[magic moss]

you do it makes further encounters harder and take longer

[vale gate]

oh really

[civic ocean]

Does it make the encounters harder than it makes you stronger is the imporant question right

(Almost always yes)

[bright token]

for the hammer keepsake to be worthwhile hammers need to be balanced first which is still far from being the case

[magic moss]

unless you want howling soul or last whatever its called that gives dmg on dd loss its almost never worth the time loss you can have since it might add an extra wave or 2

[tender anvil]

In reality, how often do you take side rooms at 50, among your clears?

[magic moss]

never

[steel sequoia]

good hammers for me are like Rapid Slash or Sudden Cleaver, if they arent than it was a waste

[civic ocean]

(Im practicing for 55 so I don't want to do stuff that I feel like I could only get away with at 50)

[steel sequoia]

i usually have to lurk hammer bc the game loves to give you 3 attack boons while you play PAN

[civic ocean]

Well if all you care about is getting the one high clear then hammer is great you just lose runs that it doesnt hit that you were likely going to lose anyways

[bright token]

yeah 1 thing that absolutely needs to be changed is for hammers to offer at least 1 attack or special each time

[civic ocean]

Why

[bright token]

getting 3 special choice when all your build is attack is like a slap in the face

[civic ocean]

But you picked the node knowing it could do that

[magic moss]

yeah most often than not hades is a bait

[civic ocean]

I am pretty convinced the 3rd staff hit has gotten me killed a lot in erebus btw

[magic moss]

the only exception i would make is the -50% reinforcements if u dont have ER and have excess time or u have no dds

[magic moss]

always dash before the third hit if you do use it the end lag is crazy

[bright token]

i mean any russian roulette mechanic can be excused with this argument but it doesnt make the mechanic good

[limpid coral]

cause ppl will click the hammer going "oh this will give me something cool !!" and then be annoyed
like ppl dont really think much about the possibility that a reward bricks yknow its just ooh shiny

[tender anvil]

Anyone estimated how many extra waves are actually added by Hades?

[civic ocean]

Yeah 95% of my dds so far have been not dashing properly

[tender anvil]

I mean, is it like a level of Commotion? More? Less?

[magic moss]

think it was like ~10% difficulty increase to every chamber after

[civic ocean]

But it isn't usually russian roulette, you have a choice, usually

Like removing the one downside hammers have (that they can miss) seems like it makes the game less balanced, not more balanced.

[steel sequoia]

the hammer boon could give at least 3 options of rolling like if you picked a boon, that would help

[tender anvil]

So half a level of commotion?

[magic moss]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oT5x4JwZyRcW7RtbSqdl10uN7QNhI--jJZgJXAcnbNo/edit#gid=0

[limpid coral]

what if the less balanced resulted in more fun

[carmine lagoon]

additive or compound?

[civic ocean]

I mean fly at er I'm down for more fun

[limpid coral]

hell yeah

[magic moss]

idk

i didnt mke the sheet i just copied it from the speedrun discord

[bright token]

the boons is the baseline for a reward: it's random but has a choice of 3 and it can almost always improve your build in one way or another
getting a choice of 3 hammers of which you can never use is a conflict with that baseline (if you assume it as a baseline)

[timber pawn]

tied to a general concept of 'biome depth', my chat didnt scroll this isnt relevant anymore lol

[tender anvil]

That seems rather minor tbh. Talking in terms of high Fear, not speedrunning.

I’m thinking in terms of Abandon runs. Hades boons are rather mid, but something like 50% less adds is notable, when you can’t take a single hit

[limpid coral]

what are the odds of hitting something good from hades

[civic ocean]

Yeah reading that I am wondering if depending on my build (like if I have engagement ring chain lightning or smth) I might take 20% pure damage to Chronos or 50% less adds

[bright token]

i dont think it's a plain downside
it's more of more rng

think of it this way:
let's say you are fishing for one specific attack hammer, right? you have 3 seeds to hit it right now. but if one seed has to be special, you only have 2 seeds, so you will be less likely to rng into your targeted thing. that's a big downside too

so hammer coded this way would less likely to give you "that one busted thing". but in return you would at least always have some use of it, when you've built your entire run around a special and you get a 3 attack hammer in the mourning fields

[steel sequoia]

i think the hammers are too niche to have that working too

[magic moss]

the difference is actually kinda noticeable ngl

[civic ocean]

Is anyone we know of currently running 55

[magic moss]

Foolish

[civic ocean]

55 skull?

[magic moss]

i think Mynts also trying out 52 or 53

[civic ocean]

Mynt did 52

[magic moss]

Moros

[civic ocean]

Ah I figured if would be moros ye

[magic moss]

ye ik just saying they’re going for more

[civic ocean]

I kinda wanna do a 50 first but maybe I'm just meant to grind 55

[magic moss]

have you tried a 55F run before its just painful

[civic ocean]

I don't know if I can do it but I feel strongly it is possible for someone to do it on staff or torches just theoretically

It's not really my thing, I'm not that good, but grinding it is fun before I go back to volume

[magic moss]

55F is so unforgiving its insane

[civic ocean]

50 is already pretty brutal trying to get out of erebus

But there's opportunities, I'm still getting hit by things I shouldn't, not optimizing damage, etc. So it's fun to grind it out

[magic moss]

I’ve been trying your thing of fang start and im getting more consistent at erebus clears

[civic ocean]

I switched from fang to antler but might try fang out some more

[bright token]

do all free rooms work this way btw?

[magic moss]

no idea

[magic moss]

you die to any hit with antler heavily discourage for 50F especially as an erebus start

you will need the dds for oceanus

[civic ocean]

You die to any hit anyways!

[magic moss]

titan + frinos gives you enough hp to survive 2-3 hits per dd, antler gives you 1

[civic ocean]

Yes but Tartarus has a floating endpoint unlike the other biomes

Oh yeah I guess if I were playing to clear 50 I would use titan and frinos

I'm not using either atm to prep for 55

[magic moss]

ok makes sense

[civic ocean]

Maybe I should just switch to 55 for now instead of doing weirdo rulesets at 50

Or clear 50 without weird self imposed rules

[civic ocean]

Have you tried droplet yet, I am optimistic about it + set dmg but haven't really tested it

[tall notch]

I was trying to cook with droplet for 50f staff, not sure if that one or experimental hammer is better for start

I've been in Tart with both but never managed to push through

[bright token]

based on what i saw and tried 55F is very much possible. you just need an enormous amount of luck to hit both attack boons that dont make you lose on time and defensive boons to mitigate dmg like armor and mint condition. like if you compose a dream build nothing from the arcana is that much needed

[magic moss]

i prefer fang start

[civic ocean]

I think Fang is super interesting yeah

Droplet is a bit contingent on "you kinda have to hit Zeus/Posi" but it does help you a lot defensively

[bright token]

droplet is a bonus boon?

[tender anvil]

I’m attempting 51. It’s hard enough to not attempt higher atm

[bleak night]

I'm surprised you can stomach it. I'm just going to wait to do 60 when EM drops lol

[bright token]

all but 9 min timer?

[steel sequoia]

droplet is keepsake

[civic ocean]

You need a lot, like, not having any arcana active can cut your damage by like 80% right off the bat, so a floor one bad roll into double Street Sharks and all of a sudden floor 1 takes you 1 minute

I think 55 surely you must need to start Antler

[bleak night]

I got far on 55 by just starting a god keepsake and playing it out

[tender anvil]

Nah, skipping revenants and rebuke

[bright token]

i meant keepsake that gives a bonus boon. i wanted to trying to start with it but i dont have it leveled

[steel sequoia]

hera?

[bright token]

i tried 51 with 9 mins just super cautios crawling. got to tartarus once i think but died quickly

[civic ocean]

There's a lot going on, you need:

-good rewards
-good skips
-good floors
-low procs of wandering

[bleak night]

I forgot at this point

I got to Chronos and died to him doing a zigzag, which I have never seen before in my life

[civic ocean]

I think you said you were Zeuz pilled for high fear

[bright token]

wait no, 9 mins is 50

[bleak night]

Zeus is great for 50F, not 55

[civic ocean]

Whats the diff

[bright token]

yeah then i tried 50 with 9 mins

[bleak night]

The diff is that you just don't have the supplementary damage to compound on Static Shock or Storm Ring that you normally would with Arcana

[civic ocean]

I would thought zeus is better on 55 because no origination

[tender anvil]

Tbh a 5 min 50 is MUCH easier than a no Arcana 9 min 50

[bleak night]

it's great to have, but it's not going to be all your damage

[magic moss]

im slowly but surely moving back to hera start on staff

ER is just way too good for staff on chronos p2p2

[bleak night]

probs ask Boated regarding Staff builds, he did all 3 already, though he kinda highrolled Mirrored + Wicked on all of them lol

[tender anvil]

I might try 51 with 7 mins and revenants, but not sure it’ll be easier than 5 min no revenants

[civic ocean]

3 at 55? Or 50

[bleak night]

I've never gotten Mirrored + Wicked ever

[bright token]

yeah i tried it when i didn't have enough skill and knowledge to go 5 mins. i still barely have tbh

[magic moss]

wait did he? where when what

[bleak night]

Nobody has done 51+ besides me to my knowledge lol

[civic ocean]

Based

[bleak night]

I don't think he uploaded them yet

[magic moss]

does he have victory screens?

did i just straight miss them? thought he only had momus done

[tender anvil]

Record next time pretty please!

[bleak night]

Unsure if he does, but he does have recordings

[bleak night]

feels like a waste to record now

I just did 2 sub 15 min 50F Axe runs and I didn't record because ER is kinda unfair and bland to record anyway

[steel sequoia]

Mynt aint amused about how broken ER is

[magic moss]

i mean this is kinda big if he did do all 3 cuz then thats 50 unique 50Fs

[bleak night]

I'm at a point where I'd rather wait for a new patch before I record again, because at the end of the day I'll look back and think "Wow, this was really abusable"

[tender anvil]

I mean, we’ve seen a lot of 50s, but zero 51+. So that’s uncharted territory

[magic moss]

Mynt did a 52F charon

[bleak night]

Not really the most pretty thing to record is all

Pretty sure I ran out of space at some point

[tender anvil]

I’m talking about recording and leaderboard-ing

[magic moss]

oh ok

[knotty fulcrum]

ok nice I did 43f mel torches with that storm ring strategy. now I have all aspects at 43 except blades

thanks for the advice @bleak night not even sure how much it helped but anyways. still unsure what hammers I should pick for that

[bleak night]

Oh, sure lol

For Blades, I honestly just either cheesed with Weak + Strength or I cheesed with ER

[vale gate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217358637836796004/1259918705119334460/image.png?ex=668d6e3b&is=668c1cbb&hm=f99add188fcf4dc77a6728359a942de223d6a40d3a95efd0fbeaf7c9f415813c& is this a fair pact for charon 32?

[magic moss]

im like just realizing how much i threw myself into the grinder

[bleak night]

probs take out Panic for something else

[magic moss]

rebuke 2 with no scars is kinda crazy ngl

[bleak night]

Also probs swap out Rebuke for Scars

[vale gate]

no heal sounds scary tho

[magic moss]

remove rebuke 2 for scars 2 at least and remove some commotion levels and panic for domination

[bleak night]

You'll have 50% heal by taking out two rebukes and clicking it twice

[vale gate]

yeah ik but still

[bleak night]

you're also playing Charon, so you can manage with 50%

It's one of the safest aspects

[knotty fulcrum]

I don't think I even want to try blades yet. maybe I could try pan but actually using the aspect since it's 43f should be able to

[vale gate]

fine

[bleak night]

If you wanna use Pan in high fear, you kinda need to roll for Hook Knives

[magic moss]

i went from clearing all aspects on 32F with god mode enabled to 40F no god mode to 50F

[vale gate]

cp used to be the most avoided pact in h1, how is it different in h2?

[knotty fulcrum]

fr like 3 weeks ago I was really trying to get a 40f run now I don't run lower than 43 and I don't lose too often I think I have a win rate of like 60% or smth

[magic moss]

you have an insane amount of base damage on charon that dom1 and 2 do not really affect, and with time commotion rng can really screw you over if you get wave rooms

[bleak night]

which one is that ?

[vale gate]

dominance in h1

[magic moss]

h1 equivalent to dominance

[bleak night]

ah, Calisthenics

[civic ocean]

Didn't the numbers on it go way higher

[knotty fulcrum]

also I've been practicing moros for 50f but can't record because Im on llaptop and it's trash. but it's just amazing how good that aspect is I did 43 45 47 back to back

[bleak night]

it also capped at 30% iirc

[civic ocean]

Oh nvm

[magic moss]

i cannot do moros for some reason

[civic ocean]

I did CP as part of maxing out the EM4 fight yeah

[magic moss]

moros and persephone I cannot play for some reason

i unironically have more success playing medea than persephone

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah persephone is hard for me too. but moros is just go in and you will not get hit probably cause everything dies instantly

[steel sequoia]

persephone is hard to get online

[bleak night]

Huh, really? I found that Pers doesn't take much to get working

[magic moss]

its rly not its just what storm ring + special boon done

[bleak night]

I think I managed that in about 3 or 4 tries

[vale gate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217358637836796004/1259920211067539526/image.png?ex=668d6fa2&is=668c1e22&hm=693bdefad06b7dfa41a27e9ad653200aee129f1826b8446a0a4ee6846ebcde18& and is this arcana fine (ingore the unmaxed cards)

[knotty fulcrum]

run rerolls. not boatman but both rerolls. you ussualy don't need cast + huntress

[bleak night]

probs not, no. A lot of those aren't needed. Should I send mine ?

[vale gate]

sure

[steel sequoia]

u need ring, gain, special boon. kinda hard to fill that in erebus

[bleak night]

lemme boot the game rq

[magic moss]

uh drop card 10 for fates and you chilling tho i personally would drop huntress and wayward for artificer

[magic moss]

unseen is enough for gain, can start zeus for storm ring, and just about any special boon works

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1259920805589160027/image.png?ex=668d7030&is=668c1eb0&hm=595e8a6030763cb8b34740c1f242a8615a9c6edc341188acf5e64d5f9ef47ba5&

[knotty fulcrum]

what even is the 10th card?

[vale gate]

15% crit on alternate omegas

[bleak night]

doesn't work on Charon, sadly

[knotty fulcrum]

ooh yeah

[vale gate]

ohhhh

[bleak night]

Exploding your cast doesn't count as an omega cast, and doesn't count as a unique omega, so it's only you spamming your Omega Special

[knotty fulcrum]

does it work well on any weap? except momus ig

[bleak night]

Momus, probs

[vale gate]

is the 50% from huntress not good enough

[steel sequoia]

local climate works or doesnt work?

[knotty fulcrum]

you don't use attack on charon

[vale gate]

oh it doesnt affect ur o moves

[knotty fulcrum]

I think it does

[bleak night]

It works, yeah

[vale gate]

i should read these things 🗿 a

[steel sequoia]

i think it does too but than why arcana wouldnt work?

Your Ω Moves have +15% chance to deal Critical damage if your last one was different.

should work since you are using special, but would be too strong too

[knotty fulcrum]

I think local climate says casts damage or smth

[steel sequoia]

prolly not designed for it but death not working feels weird bc of the text

[knotty fulcrum]

Im still not sure what death means. the last omega move has to be a diffrent one or the last move has to be non omega

I assume the first one

[vale gate]

if you do 2 omega attacks it doesnt proc

[steel sequoia]

yeah you need to do like attack than special or cast

[bleak night]

It's just really weird

[steel sequoia]

afaik is how that works, its weird and the effect aint really reliable

[bleak night]

I think it's pretty bad on most things. I'd say it has a place on Persephone though

[steel sequoia]

looks good on momus too

[civic ocean]

Death:

When you use an Omega Move, Death checks to see what the last attack/special/cast you used is. If it is an omega move that ISNT the omega move you're using, it gives you a 15% crit chance

[vale gate]

even if it sort of works i feel ull be messing up ur dmg rotation just to try to make use of it

[steel sequoia]

in theory is good on momus, circe and persephone

[civic ocean]

I can see it working with Blades with a ranged cast boon, omega cast into omega attack or omega cast into Pan special

[knotty fulcrum]

oh so if you do normal moves between it doesn't work? that seems unneeded

[bleak night]

I'm wondering how high fear Blades end up being when ER is gone

does it just go back to facetanking with Weak like I did lmao

[civic ocean]

Selene build trust

[steel sequoia]

no triple earth anymore too

[civic ocean]

Spend that mana babyyy

[bleak night]

I haven't used Frosty Veneer once this entire patch, it's so much harder to actually get

[civic ocean]

Yeah Veneer was a good change

[bleak night]

I had that Mel Blades run with 10 water, and neither Dem nor Poseidon gave me their infusions

[steel sequoia]

it is, but mainly bc poseidon sucks hard this patch

[civic ocean]

No way what

[bleak night]

I'm finding him kinda decent rn

I used him on attack for Blades and Staff

[steel sequoia]

i think its the worst god

[bleak night]

aren't people running him for Golden Rule ?

[steel sequoia]

yeah but you have hera...

[civic ocean]

Posiedon is beast! Waves are insane, double up still goated, and it's way easier to get golden rule, water fitness, and king tide going

[steel sequoia]

tell me something that is bad with ER?

[bleak night]

Hydraulic Might + Golden Rule seems to be something done a lot

[bleak night]

Persephone in general

[steel sequoia]

you have a point

[bleak night]

Like, ER is actually completely terrible on it lol

[steel sequoia]

but than i dont think you run poseidon with persephone either

[bleak night]

I wanted to be funny and try to do ER on it and record, and I have never had a more useless aspect run since then

[bleak night]

Poseidon seems to be S+ in speedrunning in general since Hydraulic Might is a thing as well to go for

[steel sequoia]

aphro/dem are solid tho, but i dont feel its easy to get 6 water with them

[bleak night]

Sure, the main goal is the funny duo, but you can't deny that having double the damage for 10 seconds is kinda what speedrunners want

[tender anvil]

I’m still a Hera+Heph earth believer

Although I hate how Spiteful is harder to get now

Think Heph is like the only god you are always happy to see, no matter what you’re running

[bleak night]

I'm never happy to see a randomly Artifice'd Heph before I find my first boon because I usually don't want his cores lol

[tall notch]

Mynt condition my beloved

[bleak night]

@tall notch

[steel sequoia]

i discovered yday that heph+aphro duo makes heph cores a little less useless

[bleak night]

Cold, @fair narwhal needs some Eos tips if you can give

[bleak night]

Ah, Blast into Hearthrobs, right

[steel sequoia]

haha, yes

i couldnt make a proper run where i get sunny disposition with them too

[knotty fulcrum]

can someone give like a top 5 easiest aspect to do 50f with. let's say with normal luck I don;t want to sped 100 runs to get the perfect hammers

[tall notch]

believe in the daybreaker click some % scaling for your attack, you love channel speed and try to weave in specials between mob waves or when you are running to pick up revenants

[bleak night]

In my opinion? Charon, Moros, Mel Axe, Mel Torches, Any Staff

[knotty fulcrum]

mel axe easier than thanatos? with mel torcches timer was a real problem for me like I was reaching 0 every boss fight

[fair narwhal]

Yes sir o7 what’s the arcana looking like

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1259926194921668678/image.png?ex=668d7535&is=668c23b5&hm=87a21a1f83229cd3e16115d76fb19f5e54c1ea5be272ec762f0a116154e98f1a& I like this. You can swap out furies for titan depending on preference

[bleak night]

Interesting. I did Mel Torches twice now and I've done really well both times

[knotty fulcrum]

the only thing that saved my run was blood line right before chronos with 1 30 on timer

[fair narwhal]

Sweet, thanks so much !

[knotty fulcrum]

I was 30 hp by the end but still had one hit to register :))

[tall notch]

have fun! if you have any eos questions, feel free to poke me here or in dms

[bleak night]

The trick to Mel Torches seems to just be Storm Ring https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1259544381296476191/1259918554355208223/image.png?ex=668d6e17&is=668c1c97&hm=04b9239bda7e7f9f7f886099909223a3e66c60c57c57b58c8a2a8a42a595a8ff&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246053364647596104/1257563830188245083/image.png?ex=668d6ed5&is=668c1d55&hm=a0196cf836632008c81f0e5aaad9e072ce619c7aca5e5ec632d4beb9080ed1b4&

[knotty fulcrum]

oh hail storm is intresting. also I should try to start with storm ring I was starting hera

[bleak night]

it's alright, nothing to really focus on if you can help it. Sworn Strike def does better

[knotty fulcrum]

I mean probably not gonna touch meel torches again for a while at least in higher fear than 43

[bleak night]

Nah why is bro peddling No Titan in 50F

[bleak night]

I get that, yeah. I just find it really good atm

Mel Skull is nice, but feels too feast or famine to me

[knotty fulcrum]

otheer than timer I was doing good too since its quite similar to moros but just further from enemies

[bleak night]

I prefer it to Moros despite it being weaker

I like not having to need to touch the special button

[tall notch]

I still believe that bolstered array is not a real hammer that can show up in a run

[knotty fulcrum]

I actually can't aim with that thing like I have really big skill issue

[bleak night]

Go turn autoaim on

[knotty fulcrum]

wait that isn't on by default?

ok that would change a lot tf

[bleak night]

The moment I swapped off my mouse and went to a full controller, my Torch playstyle improved by a lot

I still don't use keyboard though, I kinda hate it in this game

[knotty fulcrum]

you're not running mouse anymore?

[bleak night]

I still do, just not for Torches

[knotty fulcrum]

can you combine a controller joystick with mouse? like a xboox controller

[bleak night]

Yeah. I play with a Joycon and a mouse usually lol

[civic ocean]

What the

[bleak night]

It's why I have mouse aim but have a 360 degree movement gate

[knotty fulcrum]

idk thought maybe it's special for the joycon

[bleak night]

Ah, you can do it on a full controller as well, it's just not as comfy

[bleak night]

Yeah, I find that controller on Torch fits me better

[knotty fulcrum]

I'll try it the only thing is that my joystick is a bit broken but maybe it won't be a probnlem. like it doesn't want to stay in the middle if I don't touch it it moves my character a bit

[bleak night]

I was able to record all 3 vids in 10 runs

[tall notch]

You can't rebind pause so it doesn't work as well the moment you care about igt

[civic ocean]

My recommendation for controller players is to rebind dash and cast to the triggers, or at least 2 of the 4 main buttons.

[bleak night]

Switch has a minus button right next to the control stick that defaults to pausing the game

[tall notch]

When holding my xbox controller in left hand, I couldn't comfortably reach the pause button and reaching over to the keyboard to click escape is slow too

[steel sequoia]

i bought a hall effect controller, no regrets i played 225 hours and it looks new

ive played some keyboard hours but mainly controller

[bleak night]

I just don't feel comfortable playing this game on keyboard

[steel sequoia]

the dash is horrible in kb

[knotty fulcrum]

just put it on space. that's like the only reasonable bind

[tall notch]

Foolish plays on keyboard right?

[bleak night]

Yeah

People are just better at certain setups ig

[tall notch]

Explains why he likes Medea, instead of aiming clunky keyboard dashes he can just aim special with his mouse

[bleak night]

Somehow my ability to play doesn't diminish when I swap between full controller and Joycon-Mouse

[steel sequoia]

i have it on space, the problem is the direction response

[bleak night]

You can do micro dashes on controller, which is kinda neat. idk how to consistently pull it off though

I keep doing them accidentally

[steel sequoia]

i like the ability to dash in the direction i want to lmao

[limpid coral]

microdash?

[bleak night]

Play it in slow-mo and you can see that I'm dashing, Mel turns black as well to denote the iframes. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1259929926572839014/weird_microdash.mp4?ex=668d78ae&is=668c272e&hm=cd43b64dfe8603d0ec4021b39f101c95c32f01df6027b7da946319194dcbb4c3&

[limpid coral]

wtf is that

[bleak night]

I've no clue lol

I do them accidentally, and when I try to replicate them in the training room I just can't

[limpid coral]

wonder if it has something to do with canceling the charge and then restarting it

on an unrelated note imagine if u could jump with wolf howl and then wavedash

[bleak night]

I wanna see if I can wavedash in this game now

[limpid coral]

y cant hades jump

[lethal spire]

I found out how to do it consistently, but it may be difficult to replicate all the time.

It seems that it has to do with the axe's special, not the charge.

[bleak night]

Oh, interesting

[lethal spire]

It seems, from what I can see, is a stored dash. After I let go of the special button, she dashes out of it.

[bleak night]

Oh dear god it's another stored mechanic Last time I practiced them they removed Stored Attack Swings and Stored Omega Special charging

I miss stored swings so much

[limpid coral]

wait if you're out of a run can you check with blades what special -> dash -> special in quick succession does

[bleak night]

I'll give these a test later on though, thank you

[bleak night]

I can boot the game rq, yeah

[lethal spire]

I'll try with the other weapons, see which one has a stored dash.

[bleak night]

seems to be slightly faster than just spam clicking non-omega dagger throws ig

[limpid coral]

does it properly do a dash between the throws?

[bleak night]

Yeah

Trying it as fast as I can and it'll always dash between them completely

[bleak night]

How do you get it working on Axe? I'm kinda stumped and can't replicate

[lethal spire]

Have you played Psuedorygalia before?

Sorry, Pseudoregalia

[knotty fulcrum]

idk Ig Im just used to it and never played any other way

[bleak night]

Nope

[knotty fulcrum]

maybe it's smth about that specific attack? I remember kinda walking through it and not talking damage somtimes

[lethal spire]

Okay. Essentially, If you dash one direction, if you press the exact opposite direction as you hit special, you have a chance. You have to do it almost immediately.

[bleak night]

Ah, tilting

[lethal spire]

Great, now I'm having difficulty doing it. Booo

Anyway, I tried all of the other weapons, I don't see the others replicating it. It seems to be a special thing for the axe's special.

[bleak night]

Still very inconsistent for me, but the explanation makes sense at least. Though I can't see myself relying on it too much

[bleak night]

Oh, I turned off Swift Runner and suddenly I'm doing it 100% of the time

It's way easier if you turn it off

[lethal spire]

Hmm...I'll look at it later.

[carmine lagoon]

How do you force triple hammer?

[bleak night]

@haughty panther @random rover https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1259937653873180743/stored_dash_invulnerability.mp4?ex=668d7fe1&is=668c2e61&hm=1d689a8c97c2efbfee10d9ac2942c1f8e6f6a7c24f3ddd5fe40f68d3b3449da0& fun new Axe tech

[tall notch]

I don't think you can do it with 100% consistency? Unless I am missing something

[bleak night]

can't really force it. Best you can do is equip Experimental Hammer in Fields ig

[random rover]

Looks like you're hitting dash then special at basically the same time. Keeps the i-frames?

[bleak night]

Axel had a great explanation for it, but I basically dash one way, then instantly move the opposite direction and tap special

[stone lantern]

Hey, is there a list or anything for builds that are working really well right now and that are easily forceable? I remember a google doc from the first patch for nice paths to 32 fear runs for example, thinking of something like that

[bleak night]

Honestly, most things work well with Engagement Ring atm

It's the new hotness, so build guides don't feel all too needed atm. I can link you my writeup for it though if you wanna try it out

[tall notch]

I don't think people are going to write up build guides when early access meta is so volatile and prone to change

[bleak night]

can't wait for Patch 4 when Ares comes out and he's overpowered

[tall notch]

His cast is going to be the spinny thing of the size of current cast isn't it? And then you click apollo to make it grow

[stone lantern]

that would be nice

[bleak night]

Here you go. It's a bit of a read, but it's pretty condensed with info that matters https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1dthn38/a_guide_to_patch_3_high_fear_and_heras_shiny_new/

[stone lantern]

yea I wasnt thinking of anything really written and in details, more of a "this weapon aspect + this attack/special/cast is working really well right now"

[tall notch]

I believe lucid gain charon axe is a fairly free 32 fear at the moment

[stone lantern]

thanks guys, just needed inspiration 🙂 will try this out now 🙂

[bleak night]

Have fun instantly winning

[carmine lagoon]

Is suffering and +% damage multiplicative or additive?

[tender anvil]

Merciful end please, make Blades great again!

[bleak night]

Multip. You double the enemy damage with max blood, then you quadruple that doubled damage for the first hit

So essentially, max suffering and blood is 8x the usual damage

[civic ocean]

When I hit 50 I'm gonna call the recap "Hera's shiny new Boy"

[vale gate]

do cyclones inflict a status?

[bleak night]

Yes

[vale gate]

neat

[bleak night]

They can't activate Origination with Freeze though

[vale gate]

oh

[bleak night]

Yeah, it was a Dem-specific nerf

[civic ocean]

They made statuses a lot more plentiful tho didn't they

[bleak night]

People kept running Arctic Ring + Gale Force and then the rest being pure damage

[steel sequoia]

fair nerf tho

[vale gate]

f you in particular moment

[haughty panther]

gale and arctic ring still A+ seperately

[steel sequoia]

you can now play ER with gale force

[civic ocean]

Yeah cycs and freeze are still bananas and now they build towards Veneer so they're pretty crazy

I'm sure Pos-Aph-Dem works nicely together still

[bleak night]

I haven't had Veneer in any run this patch lol

[civic ocean]

Yeah you got super unlucky righr

[haughty panther]

nah it's definitely skill issue

[carmine lagoon]

is hades worth taking at high fear?

[civic ocean]

Sometimes

[bleak night]

True

[carmine lagoon]

dep on time i assume?

[civic ocean]

How high are we talking

[carmine lagoon]

only 40 so far

[civic ocean]

I think 32 always, 40 probably worth, 50 probably not worth

[carmine lagoon]

old grudge or deep dissent?

[civic ocean]

Dissent is usually better

[haughty panther]

always deep dissent

[carmine lagoon]

wb grudge to get out of phase 1? or not worth

[civic ocean]

Its fine but dissent helps a lot with p2

[carmine lagoon]

fair

[haughty panther]

if you have enough dps, old grudge prob will be wasted; if you don't, you would obviously need dissent more

[bleak night]

I only really go to Hades if

1. it's far into Tart so there are less agitated rooms to go through
2. I really need Howling Soul for my build

[civic ocean]

If you have a lot of aoe but not as much single target grudge can help, also low key grudge does this thing where Chronos has a max unit cap IIRC

So if you phase him while the first adds are out the second summon whiffs

Not sure if thats still a thing

[haughty panther]

i think only applies when you have both natural gas and dying wish and have crappy dmg otherwise

[civic ocean]

I'm thinking like scorch CL and engagement ring or smth

Maybe you like grudge then idk but generally im taking gasp/dissent/howl

Gasp good on like waves or haertbombs

[haughty panther]

oh i mean there's very little occasion to take grudge, not the other way

[civic ocean]

I think I like it more than the ones I didn't mention above

[haughty panther]

dissent is just generally good and howl can be run saving

[carmine lagoon]

whats worth more, removing a level of blood or of suffering? manaless staff, so relatively close range

[haughty panther]

run blood 2 suffering 1 if you can manage

[carmine lagoon]

or actually removing 2 dominance hmm

[haughty panther]

2/2 or 3/1 is pushing it, 3/2 is 45+ fear

[carmine lagoon]

ty <3

[vale gate]

got the 32 to mark 1 year of hades 1 and 1 week of hades 2

now for all weps

[magic moss]

i believe

or you can do what i did and throw yourself into the meat grinder

and go straight to 40F

[vale gate]

oh yeah that doesnt sound hard at all ngl with charon atleast

most of this run was hitless

[magic moss]

i jumped from 32F God Mode to 40F all weapons to 45F charon to 50F

[magic moss]

you can probably get 50F charon within a week

[vale gate]

i did that for hades 1 and nearly failed uni so i think im good

[magic moss]

xdd

[vale gate]

ill probably max out arcana and relationship bonds first

and keepsakes

[magic moss]

With boat3d beating 50F on the rest of the staff aspects, we now have reached 50 unique 50F clears now!

Hades 2 50F Clearers as of Patch 3
Total # of Unique Clears: 50
# of Unique Clearers (Not counting Old Momus): 13
# of Unique Clears by Runners

1. Mynt - 15
2. Foolish - 13
3. Mininet - 7
4. boat3d - 3
5. Boron, Eos' #1 Fan, poshboy_64 - 2
6. 虞鱼于渔, jdeeyu, cristiWT, Zzz, Fuggles, VoidGloom - 1

Current Fear World Record: 52 Fear on Charon by Mynt

Staff:
Mel - Foolish, Mynt, boat3d
Circe - 虞鱼于渔, Mynt, Foolish, boat3d
Momus (Old) - Nice
Momus (Rework) - Mininet, Mynt, Foolish, poshboy_64, boat3d

Blades:
Mel - Mynt
Artemis - Mininet, Mynt, Foolish
Pan - Mynt

Torch:
Mel - Boron, Mynt, poshboy_64, Foolish
Moros - Foolish, jdeeyu, cristiWT, Mynt
Eos - Eos' #1 Fan, Mininet, Mynt, Foolish

Axe:
Mel - Mynt, Foolish, Mininet
Charon - Mynt, Foolish, Zzz, Mininet
Thanatos - Mynt, Foolish, Mininet

Skull:
Mel: Fuggles, Boron, Foolish, Mynt, Mininet, Eos' #1 Fan
Medea - Foolish, Mynt, VoidGloom
Persephone - Foolish, Mynt

[tall notch]

Mel skull officially best weapon now?

[magic moss]

it has the most unique clears so its prob 3rd

i dont think it holds against charon or moros tho

its gonna take a lot to dethrone those 2

[tender anvil]

Go Mel skulls!

I really had much more trouble doing a 50 Charon than Mel skulls. Rebuke just made me waste way too much time

[vale gate]

woah only 13 people beat 50?

[tall notch]

I'll be real I'm either missing something obvious or lucid charon is overrated for 50f. At 45 or below sure we're chilling but onion+rebuke make it soo tough 😭

[tender anvil]

In the end Charon 50 took me Winter’s Coat abuse to make it through Erebus. Rest of the run was fairly easy though

[magic moss]

once you get lucid on charon there is like nothing else you need to clear

[vale gate]

could someone share a mel skulls 50 video

[tall notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO8XctIRr3M sure

[tender anvil]

Blades are looking rather sad, ngl

[vale gate]

[tender anvil]

That’s the second thing on my bucket list, last weapon to 50.

[magic moss]

they’re just miserable to play 50F

outside of artemis, they got nothing going for them

[tall notch]

They've got no range, endlag and mediocre damage! Why wouldn't you want to play them?

[tender anvil]

I mean, gotta get all weapons to 50 at least! Too lazy to do all aspects, 40 is enough.

I’m thinking of being artsy and doing a melee Pan run.

[tall notch]

Right now my axe gameplay is stuck in Erebus and with staff I either die in Erebus or Tartarus

[vale gate]

is dying wish taken just to strip of dc

[tender anvil]

I did old Momos 50, that’s good enough for me. Charon 50 took a Winter’s Coat to cheat the timer

[tall notch]

You mean in my run? It's honestly just a good boon

For room clear

[vale gate]

yeah i noticed it there but was asking in general

[tender anvil]

Might do a proper Charon 50 after Blades, if I get to that point, ig

[tall notch]

In the current ER meta, chances are everything will be hitched a lot of the time. It's free damage

[tender anvil]

Currently I’m talking about the game much more than actually playing it. Kinda in a love/hate relationship with grinding 51 Skulls

[tall notch]

I wasn't gonna play today but then I watched Foolish play Eos and wanted to try some runs myself afterwards

He seemed to be having so much fun with it

[tender anvil]

I love playing Mel skulls (especially without rebuke), but those boss ohko’s on abandon are soul crushing

Did you know that Cerb sometimes does 2 handslams in a row in p1 of his fight? I know now…

[tall notch]

Huh I had no clue

[civic ocean]

Post patch cerb definitely messes me up more than before bro goes for the slams big time

[tall notch]

Eastttt

When are you gonna stream

[civic ocean]

Soon actually, maybe today but streams are mostly gonna be me dying over and over at 50

[tall notch]

I want to see some quality WABSing

[carmine lagoon]

45F Charon, no rebuke and 3 commotion, or 2 rebuke and 1 commotion?

[tall notch]

no rebuke

[carmine lagoon]

First one right? Or onion

Nah I think with onion I’d just time out

[tall notch]

45f is the last fear level where I feel confident playing Charon since there is no rebuke and no onion

[carmine lagoon]

I tried 40F with Mel skulls and momus, failed to get out of Erebus on both (repeatedly), went back to Charon :|

[tall notch]

play eos

[carmine lagoon]

I sense bias

[tall notch]

I would never

[carmine lagoon]

Just aphro? Or what

Glamour gain and aphro attack seem good in theory

[tall notch]

Click Hera and either get her attack and then some offensive cast (preferably one that will proc origination) or engagement ring with some attack that has % scaling

Aphro kinda sucks on Eos because you do want to keep distance

A lot of the time

[carmine lagoon]

Wait is the aphro attack “nearby” from the daybreaker or you??

[tall notch]

You

[carmine lagoon]

What a scam

[tall notch]

I know right, and when Eos copies specials those count "nearby" as yourself too

If you're feeling greedy I guess you could build into her Poseidon duo but I can't promise you'll get out of Erebus

[carmine lagoon]

Is golden rule viable for staff at 40+?

[tall notch]

If you get it online you are going to blast through, but with these duo setups what you should be asking yourself is "how am I gonna clear stuff before I get the duo"

I think it can be viable if you highroll?

[carmine lagoon]

With ER start and mirrored thrasher obviously, easy to get right

But yeah staff damage seems so fricking low, the times I did play well and had ER I still died to timer completely

[cyan meadow]

Is Support Fire actually good on weapons that hit rapidly or just kind of pretty to look at graphics wise?

[tall notch]

It's alright if you have air quality or just really need something to deal with vow of rebuke, but pretty visuals are most of the appeal to be honest

[cyan meadow]

Oooo I forgot about Air Quality, hot tip. I've always liked it in both games, but just realized it might just be because it's pretty lol

[magic moss]

ill try to get some golden rule builds online

wanted to try the duo out anyway in 50F

[steel sequoia]

bruh i run erebus and oceanus with poseidon keepsake, did 3 rerolls and i only got the first boon of poseidon and nothing more... thats ridiculous

[carmine lagoon]

Don’t run 2 biomes with a god keepsake, it does nothing after the first biome (not even increase chances of them showing up)

[magic moss]

also core boons are always prioritized if you dont have any

[steel sequoia]

yeah, game pushed me hestia i took a core boon and it ruined the entire run

im pan with no gain and no special so far

[magic moss]

wait if u started pos keepsake did u not get offered pos special?

[steel sequoia]

i got heroic hydraulic might, and now i regret

[vale gate]

is first blood any good

[timber pawn]

yes its a solid boon, if attacks crit enemies often die in 1 hit

[limpid coral]

does first blood apply to all hits while an enemy has any armor

it has at least 80% hp but i suspect it doesnt work the way the wording suggests

someone get first blood and kill a miniboss with just cyclones to check

[tired fulcrum]

Doesnt it say at least 80% hp 'or armor'

[limpid coral]

yea

[vale gate]

ah

[tall notch]

My rng is atrocious this evening. 3 runs in a row Apollo just doesn't give me his regen after me using up all rerolls

[steel sequoia]

we got rekt

[limpid coral]

an enemy with 1 armor left sure does have 100% of its hp left, which is more than 80%

[tired fulcrum]

If its like that its prob unintended

[limpid coral]

yea it probably doesnt work like that under the hood

idk how theyd make the wording precise without making it way too long

[tired fulcrum]

I mean mentioning armor already makes it clear how its supposed to work

[limpid coral]

at the same time i havent seen anyone bring this up so its prolly fine

[steel sequoia]

i have hestia sprint and all the game gives me is hestia

[tender anvil]

Would you say Dark Side hex not preventing Pin death is a bug or a feature?

It does say “invincible” after all

[limpid coral]

Pin says become impervious, and if no enemies remain restore x hp, right?

So it already does not do what it says on the tin

[tender anvil]

I meant Dark Side says “invincible”

[limpid coral]

Also i think impervious says "most forms of direct damage" so the stuff that it doesnt include would make sense to be like dying to pin or chaos?

[tender anvil]

Huh, need to check the wording

Dark Side says Impervious - “a state in which you are completely immune to damage”

So the Pin death is probably not “damage”. While Chaos is definitely 500 damage (if that’s what you meant)

[limpid coral]

pin death did get reduced by coarse grit

[tender anvil]

Ah, the good old times

[wise idol]

that was such a fun bug lol

[limpid coral]

like what pin does is heal to 60 and then kill you after 10 seconds, not keep you alive at 0 for 10 seconds/until fight ends

so theres some instance of damage after the timer runs out - or a kill that bypasses damage stuff

[tender anvil]

I feel that Cerb is currently overtuned

[limpid coral]

I wonder why they have to make pin do that rather than just stay at 0 for 10 seconds and heal after

[tender anvil]

Maybe some code gets wonky if you stay active at 0 hp

[steel sequoia]

allright phase shift is broken, saved my poor run

[tender anvil]

Way too much hp, and some attacks are nigh unavoidable (i.e. require frame dodging)

[plain fossil]

Man if they made pin healing it would singlehandedly ruin high fear lul

Im not saying its a bad idea just funny to think about

[tender anvil]

Well, sad to say but I feel pin is a bit too ubiquitous atm

[vale gate]

can you outsprint cerberus' chase thing

[wise idol]

yeah with enough speed

[vale gate]

not with base?

[wise idol]

Mayve with base but it can be tricky, I usually strafe a bit

[tall notch]

wow than axe really does 0 damage

Timed out during Chronos p2

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1259987422138204170/image.png?ex=668dae3a&is=668c5cba&hm=53fb00012da030f4297c2a53527e11263bc2f9ef7a07f160e78680e08ffce468& managed to survive way over the timer though so there's that

[magic moss]

just win lul

[tender anvil]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1InGCAQE9R0&feature=youtu.be

What the hell?

I guess the 60hp ticked down mid transition

[tall notch]

You were low hp, the ticks killed you during intermission

[tender anvil]

Does it count as 51 p2 Chronos or nah?

[tall notch]

It does, wp!!!

[magic moss]

it def counts

[tender anvil]

Now to find that extra minute for p2, and we’re golden

Getting good at no-hitting p1 at least

[magic moss]

i still cant no hit p1

[plain fossil]

It depends on the weapon for me

[tender anvil]

Tbh atm Cerb feels harder than p1 Chronos

[plain fossil]

I find it much much easier when i can outrange him

[plain fossil]

P2 cerb is serious business now

P1 he dies in mint condition usually

Or not too far after

[tender anvil]

No mint condition this attempt, it would have helped. Spent like 2 mins on Cerberus alone

Really need to get better at that fight

Mel skulls starts really struggling with boss damage at Cerb with no Arcana

Maybe 2 rev and 1 rebuke with 7 min timer is the way

[vale gate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1259989848383815680/image.png?ex=668db07d&is=668c5efd&hm=8cd98aca6b1a0e45974d85a2213016452fd9f72ad47f50bac51fdc9a2c9b6477& is this a decent 40 fear setup

[plain fossil]

What are u currently doing

Also surely if ur going to remove a +3 its onion

[tender anvil]

I’d personally drop revenants and get 1 suffering at least. Maybe 2 suffering and drop commotion, as timer can get dicey

[tender anvil]

51 Mel Skulls

[plain fossil]

No i know that lmao u just said so

[vale gate]

ok thanks and gl with what ur doing

[plain fossil]

Im asking what u removed to get to 51

[tender anvil]

Ah, lol. No revenants no rebuke

[plain fossil]

Oh

I see the logic then

If u hera start is rebuke that bad?

[tender anvil]

I timed a similar setup with limited Arcana, with only huntress for damage, so it should be possible

[magic moss]

drop rev2 for suffering 1 and drop 1 thing of commotion for panic

[plain fossil]

Yea i dont run 5min2rev at 40

[tender anvil]

Didn’t test, just hate rebuke on skulls. Worth testing, as timing out is a real problem atm

[magic moss]

if you going hera/ER start can take rebuke2 depending on aspect

[plain fossil]

Thats like a 45+ thing

[plain fossil]

Reasonable

[tender anvil]

Yeah, now that I think about it, i go for ER anyway

And get incidental damage like static shock relatively often

But tbh I just like how stuff just dies and stays dead with my current setup, hate revenants

[plain fossil]

I mean if ur having timer trouble dont click revenants

Even 7min2rev is like not that much better for timer than 5min0rev

Its a little better but maybe not 1f better

[tender anvil]

2 rebuke / 1 revenants then, maybe. It will suck in erebus, but then maybe be alright

[plain fossil]

Its also more dangerous

[tender anvil]

Yeah, my thoughts exactly. That’s why I’m running the current setup

Need like an extra 50%ish damage. Chaos boon, or Martial Art, or something

[plain fossil]

I think the delta between 1 shield and 2 shield is smaller than the delta between 1 rev and 2 rev

The alternative ofc is go 5min and get lucky in erebus

[tender anvil]

Tbh Erebus is easy with this setup, I never time out if I get at least a % attack boon. Trouble starts at Cerb

I will give it a go tomorrow, testing is in order

Anyone with a table of attacks scaling with rarities and poms?

like, maybe aromatic phial is the way. less build control, but a heroic attack boon takes an attack build a long way

[past salmon]

Nope sorry your not allowed to complain about RNG I'm still fuming

[plain fossil]

Demeter is 30/45/60/75 with 15ish on first pom

Hera is 50/60/70/80 with 15ish on first pom

Aph is 60/80/100/120 with 20ish on first pom

Apollo is i forget (40/60/80/100?) but ur not clicking apollo

[tender anvil]

Actually Apollo attack is quite good on Mel skulls lol

[plain fossil]

I know apollo does scale very well with rarity, higher than hera

So if u actually wanna click it, its got some deeps

[tender anvil]

I'm mostly clicking Apollo and Hera. Demeter is a bit too low damage, while Aph requires a more risky playstyle

although judging by your table, heroic demeter is fine

ok, aromatic phial it is lol

[plain fossil]

Good luck

May u always get bolstered array by room 5

[cursive oyster]

hera’s pom scaling actually starts with +20%
aphs pom scaling starts at 25%
and aphro attack has 20% more damage than listed here at base

[plain fossil]

Oh yea it does i miscopied aph

@tender anvil

[tender anvil]

that Chronos timeout was with normal Apollo attack, so heroic is the Huntress replacement I'm looking for

[plain fossil]

Not that i love aph skulls anyway

[tender anvil]

heroic +4 would be what, 160%ish?

[cursive oyster]

aka heroic aph attack with 1 pom

[past salmon]

Safety is a thing

[tender anvil]

i'm not good enough for aph skulls, need to be too close for comfort

[past salmon]

One might even say safety is a rather important thing when 2 mistakes is what is needed to end a run

[tender anvil]

unless you roll trusty+mynt

with no rerolls haha

[cursive oyster]

you don’t need safety whenever the enemies die before they finish spawning /j

[tall notch]

I think you have infected me with your rng

Or Mynt is leeching it off both of us

[silent crow]

i did an old momus ruin

this was all it took https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/965250748797567046/1259979225814007958/image.png?ex=668da698&is=668c5518&hm=6b93d835e9a2fa336d99a118eb8e4f0162641d70e8874aa918b4f461f1601820&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1186&height=741

very reasonable as you can see

[tender anvil]

lol at the "special" damage

[silent crow]

that was with AQ 😭 😭 😭

[past salmon]

Wow you rolled 20 rlly good things and almost got to a quarter of the power of old Momus that's sick

[silent crow]

ikr!!!

staff special is really good

[tender anvil]

Regarding aromatic phial - am I correct in understanding that I can change keepsake either before or after the fountain? So say I want to upgrade after Erebus, I can then pick it either for Erebus or Oceanus?

[silent crow]

if u want to upgrade right after erebus u can change keepsakes then use the fountain

so ya

[tender anvil]

got it, cheers

[silent crow]

phial is such a brilliant keepsake design it makes the game so fun

[tender anvil]

gotta hope it lands on the attack boon lol

and not like Hestia Sprint or something

[silent crow]

wdym you didnt want heroic quick buck

[past salmon]

Yeh idk I think Ur cooking way too hard with this phial thing

[plain fossil]

Its a lot of damage tbf

[tender anvil]

throwing stuff at the wall, and seeing what sticks

[silent crow]

are you doing a vow of abandon run

[tender anvil]

i was running Embryo for a bit, but then it never produced something useful in the end

[plain fossil]

Embryo is like unclickable on manaless builds its got too many bricks

[tender anvil]

best i got was attack boost for the first "rotation", and then left with "+hp". Which is not bad, but not run-defining

[silent crow]

embryo can brick manaless??

[tender anvil]

not a brick, rather a dud

[silent crow]

ahh thats fair

[plain fossil]

Duds

[tender anvil]

but that epic gathering, oh my!

so, I have a plan. roll aromatic phial in Erebus, roll Apollo attack, roll mid biome fountain, profit!

and then go play slots, as I'm winning millions

[plain fossil]

I mean if ur going to play the 500 reset strat u do it for r1 bolstered right

[tender anvil]

yeah, that too

[steel sequoia]

ok i give up trying to make Love Handles with Sunny Disposition, RNG is hating me

[tender anvil]

and mynt condition/trusty in Erebus plx

[vale gate]

is max blood max scars a good way to practice for higher

[magic moss]

define higher what fear levels

like do you plan on doing 50F? or stopping at like 45

[vale gate]

yeah 50

[past salmon]

I personally chuck Max scars on rlly early yeah

[magic moss]

then blood 3 scars 3 suffering 2

[past salmon]

Don't unless you hate urself 😭

[magic moss]

he wants to do 50F he has to learn early on

[vale gate]

i mean atp i still cant beat 32

[limpid coral]

why not everything except blood suffering scars

so u can actually reach later into the run and not die zone 1 zone 2 repeatedly

[past salmon]

Because face tanking your way through everything is not rlly the best learning experience

[limpid coral]

hell if u just want to practice turn off timer too

just see how much damage u take and try to make it go down (and pay attention to how long u take)

[timber pawn]

I did like blood 2 but this is how I did a lot of my 32 clears lol

[vale gate]

i just played a blood3 scars3 32 run to chronos without losing a dd then proceeded to die before p1 75% with pin and 60 armour

[past salmon]

Me thinks you may need to practice your Chronos fight

[magic moss]

^

[vale gate]

[past salmon]

I can't rlly say anything though I am the world's greatest at choking at Chronos

[limpid coral]

if you're trying to practice for 50 then practicing without the stuff that makes damage harder to avoid seems kinda wack

[magic moss]

i need to practice my chronos fight as well ive gotten pretty good at it but i just lose like most of my good runs to chronos

ive choked 2 dd chronos fights multiple times

[vale gate]

anyone know the path where the saves are

[past salmon]

I choked 2 DD Chronos in Mel blades yesterday while Mynt was watching
That sucked

[magic moss]

roughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[magic moss]

i mean you could do that one 16F that someone cleared with a while ago that was essentially a 50F practice ground

[limpid coral]

i just mean like if you practice with small rooms no revs and such and get good at avoiding damage there then youll just walk into commotion 3 and die repeatedly

[magic moss]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[vale gate]

how do they have 32 grasp

[magic moss]

arcana costs got changed from patch 2 to 3

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1257667664747302954/image.png?ex=66853dc9&is=6683ec49&hm=117d8abf75ed8cf68a4d5fb7f4499d9e63ca1dc424a3a598d1e9774f523f84a8&

Do you guys like my cool and quirky 32F setup ahahahaha

[vale gate]

oh

[limpid coral]

strength build

[past salmon]

?

[limpid coral]

damage down for strength and play a 1hr run

[past salmon]

There is no Arcana

[limpid coral]

o i missed that

unlucky

[tall notch]

Decent setup, but I would replace 2 points in dominance with scars 3

[past salmon]

u right u right

[tall notch]

@past salmon why did you pass the "never getting room skips" curse onto me? I'll never clear 50f again like this

[past salmon]

maybe my luck has returned then
I must quickly do some attempts

[bright token]

wait i still can't pause during chronos? i thought they added it as an enchantment or accessibility option but i cant find either

there is an enchantment that allows time slowing effects

but it doesnt help with the pause

[limpid coral]

u have to attempt to pause or something

[magic moss]

its an incantation you need to unlock

pause like 10 times during the fight and it should appear

[bright token]

lol, that's unintuitive

[cyan meadow]

So it turns out a partly upgraded Total Eclipse on all 3 Sirens standing on Engagement Ring does a LOT of damage to their shared health bar

[plain fossil]

Thats just hitch doing hitch things it deletes sirens regardless of ur damage delivery method

Total eclipse is very fun to hit with tho

[vale gate]

if i remember correctly freeze from any cyclones dont count towards orgination right

[cyan meadow]

It's a lot of fun, I just wish Hexes that aren't Moon Water didn't need so much work to be good

[lament spoke]

the problem with engagement ring is that i don't remember the last time i took another cast

[cyan meadow]

Hecate's "Selene don't you dare" is fantastic when you use it on her

[limpid coral]

whered that come from?

[past salmon]

cyclone is not freeze it is it's own curse

It does contribute towards origination, you just can't get origination with freeze+cyclone since it has to be curses from 2 different gods

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1260015423643058186/image.png?ex=668dc84e&is=668c76ce&hm=e3a135924c8ec1027edee23088dcd4f6c93e6336f23f662d5080e1d5a18100d3& no arachne no nem no artemis i will cry

[past salmon]

WELCOME TO THE CLUB MINI
I HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR STAY

[magic moss]

[past salmon]

@tall notch MWAHAHA NOW EVERYONE IS GETTING BAD LUCK ITS GLORIUS

[limpid coral]

if this happens they're just hiding in oceanus right

[vale gate]

wwoa

[limpid coral]

(nem and arty)

[past salmon]

maybe
They have a chance to not show up
Also nem can be in fields

[magic moss]

i got 112!'d this run as well

im just going to curl up into a ball and die

[past salmon]

I had 6 runs in a row where I got 0 free rooms
I hope you understand what I've been going through

[limpid coral]

hollow knight runners 🤝 hades 2 runners
112!

[magic moss]

it was funny when it was only happening to you man

[past salmon]

[tall notch]

honestly I think it is @bleak night that stole everyone else's luck

[vale gate]

do you take evade or fight from echo if you dont need dds/prev boon?

[limpid coral]

evade is broken

try not to lose it all to succ tho

[past salmon]

defs evade

[vale gate]

yeah i realized after i posted

[limpid coral]

if u lost all ur mana to shield then u can pick fight

[vale gate]

i think i may need to savestate practice chronos because idont know hwat to expect there anymore

[steel sequoia]

how the evade and hermes evasion works?

[vale gate]

you mean how they interact together/?

[plain fossil]

Theyre additive, but any dodge removes an evade evade evade charge

[vale gate]

do you know this for specials?

[plain fossil]

Top of my head, demeter is 40/60/80/100 with 20, apollo is (i think?) 60/80/100/120 with 20, hera is 60/70/80/90 with 15(?), and aph is 100/150/200/250 with 50

Im pretty sure those are right, the tldr is that aph special is cracked

[vale gate]

ok tysm

[steel sequoia]

i usually gets surprised by aphro special dmg even when i dont intend to pick it

im trying like heph-aphro-apo to make the duos work and aphro special and hearthrob carries everything

[vale gate]

can you get chaos in shops with ix

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1260027532447584356/alright_game_thanks.mp4?ex=668dd395&is=668c8215&hm=8398baf1a225188c41d63deba60e64f645e3568c8543bce37ea7bae676cb4183&

actually just scorpion pulled me in

[limpid coral]

oh that's funny, i guess the knockback is always in the direction its facing instead of just outward

[vale gate]

do you take python scales if you see it in a well?

[past salmon]

Yeh
Idk if its that amazing
But I do take it

[vale gate]

for stuff like dem and hera strike does the status get applied before or after the strike for origination purposes

[steel sequoia]

yoooo 1st time clearing with silk buff thats cool, no gain PAN! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1260038577786454026/20240708220201_1.jpg?ex=668ddddf&is=668c8c5f&hm=cbed13be4d56fb0c4a7bfd04506ea77eec279a2a54a119abae0461d23dcfe010&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1260038578197631086/20240708220130_1.jpg?ex=668ddddf&is=668c8c5f&hm=ef536ff5fc5f6779284f3d3a233f484d941d8e54ffbb664d4c8d2e8b554b06d8&

[elfin ivy]

I've discovered the perfect method to steal all of Nem's kills from her: just attach Poseidon's knockback to the Sprint and run into anyone that Nem is about to kill. The knockback yeets them a whole mile out of her attack range

[steel sequoia]

can someone explain to me why this feels so slow to charge? its because i dont play sorceress? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1260056265334329486/20240708231155_1.jpg?ex=668dee58&is=668c9cd8&hm=cf285806ca635c48031407bd105c4d0e6fffc2ec0f40559a6751ac477debcde2&

[silent crow]

i dont know why that feels slow to charge for you

[elfin ivy]

I've barely used the Flames but from what I've learnt from completing the Chaos Trial with Moros' aspect, it relies a ton with lining up attack projectiles with Special projectiles (the latter being way easier to line up if you omega it)
Also you've gotten a total of 33% speed boost on your omega special casting speed and having to spend 25 Magick on it by default, yeah it can definitely run out quick if you use it more than a few times consecutively
Overall yeah it'd go a long way if you equipped Sorceress so if your Magick ran out, you just wait a few moments and get back to it

I really don't see a reason to not have Sorceress activated unless you're hoping to get an early Magick restoration Boon, which would be very ideal if it's smth like Hestia's

[steel sequoia]

i was spending 7mana but the charge felt so cluncky, idk maybe my mind is glitched bc i dont feel that way playing mel

[elfin ivy]

Welll it could be that the Special projectile lasts a lot longer on Mel's aspect, so you get a lot more from it from Omega'ing it a lot less

[steel sequoia]

i use this arcana for all weaps cause im lazy https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1260058804419301457/Arcana_Overall.jpg?ex=668df0b5&is=668c9f35&hm=7061851406b068b034ec6b906f6125aed0c1932bbadd7203d4e5215c738e7181& so no sorceress

[plain fossil]

I go back and forth on sorceress since moros likes to have an omega special up as/before mobs spawn and sorceress can give u timer problems if u do that

However it makes charging a special in combat safer enough that i think its overall worth it

[tired fulcrum]

Unseen is the regen btw

[elfin ivy]

Oh wait
Yeah you're right I had a 404 there lmao

[steel sequoia]

idk, ill play more moros but i dont feel the joy that i do playing mel or eos

[plain fossil]

I dont enjoy moros much either i just accept that its really good

[silent crow]

moros no longer sparks joy for me

[elfin ivy]

Man I salute you for playing the Flames at all I've been avoiding them like the plague

[plain fossil]

I like eos a lot

[steel sequoia]

flames are a cool aspect, i only dont play medea and usually avoid staffs that bores me

[plain fossil]

Its annoyingly slow for 5min 2shield but other than that its pretty fun to play

[oak heron]

Yo we talkin Eos aspect? It's the only way I play flames

Only downside I ran into is late into runs the effects onscreen can be a bit absurd

[steel sequoia]

eos is fine, momus is way more chaotic

[tall notch]

We love Eos around here

[oak heron]

I believe this'

Tho, Thanatos is still my fav

[steel sequoia]

my top3 is charon, persephone, eos

[silent crow]

idk what my fav aspects are now

[steel sequoia]

wish pan was more fun than eos but i like eos

[past salmon]

[EXTREMELY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER]

[past salmon]

I'm assuming you mean Unseen right?

[elfin ivy]

Yes sorry about that lol

[tall notch]

Oh hi fellow Eos enjoyer!

[past salmon]

Overall Unseen is still kinda poopy imo
It's rlly good on Eos or Persephone who have really low magick consumption but most other Magick weapons need a gain boon regardless.
And that gain boon will usually be strong enough where Unseen stops being useful and for 5 grasp that sucks

[elfin ivy]

They gave a speed buff to the "tanky slow weapon" what's not to love about it? 🤝

[civic ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241160250829049909/1260062037539688600/image.png?ex=668df3b8&is=668ca238&hm=ea7a1e7f755b4b9298c62e608509c409af724312962b1351bc13b7aea6e981f4& I am

Displeased

[steel sequoia]

pan is fun tho https://www.tiktok.com/@inosuk3das/video/7389459032576183558

[vale gate]

are eris rockets affected by projectile slowdown boons

[magic moss]

https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/505164873328754688 if yall want to see the jankiest run on the planet

[past salmon]

It's fine you have the god hammer duo just win imo imo
Do not get hit from here on out soldier 🫡

Also might be worth not spending gold in endshop for chance of DD refill

[civic ocean]

I got one refill and I have 2.5 mins for tart

[past salmon]

That's good!
GL hope you get it

[magic moss]

theres a chance you get another dd from end shop you got this

[civic ocean]

is it bad if every room is gold bags and tempuses

I lost the DD but go Golden Rule at endshop

[past salmon]

You got this!!!

Tbh Chronos might just splode with this damage

[magic moss]

YOU GOT THIS EAST

[bleak night]

What's East tryin ?

[silent crow]

50f staff

[bleak night]

Oooh

[magic moss]

i wanna see if i can do a circe run today but also im tired hm

[bleak night]

play tomorrow instead

[civic ocean]

AAAAAAAAAHAHHHHH

[past salmon]

????????

[civic ocean]

YEASAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH

[magic moss]

LFGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

[past salmon]

LETS GO

[tall notch]

LETS GOOOO

[civic ocean]

unrecorded but im in the club lets goooo

[magic moss]

EZ CLAPPERS

[bleak night]

Nice

Drop Victory Screen so we can see your build

[tall notch]

Welcome to the club

[magic moss]

you wanna go in as East or East_25?

[past salmon]

Damn does staff have the highest total 50F clears now

I'm starting to think Mirrored + Wicked is kinda strong

[magic moss]

also GGS

[bleak night]

I think Staff has the most because all 3 kinda play the same

[civic ocean]

east_25

[bleak night]

so it's a "I can go into this next one and play it the same way" mentality

[past salmon]

Hmm ig
I'm shocked Axe has so few
Imo Axe has the easiest 50Fs atm

Also noone else has done Persephone even tho I think it's kind of a fun one

[bleak night]

It's easy once you get the timing down

otherwise, I can see it being hard to play melee Axe

[civic ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241160250829049909/1260066139346829474/image.png?ex=668df78a&is=668ca60a&hm=5f49cb0ca9dc60dd62da74660ca0322318c51c8d88eb083d9bd099f2acedc8e1& I'm never quitting out on a Selene start ever again

[bleak night]

You can stop anything with block mid-anim, but sometimes your brain won't register that idea

[silent crow]

rebuke 2 on axe is cancer hell cancer for me

[bleak night]

How much gold did you have

[past salmon]

What are you people cooking with these non god keepsake starts

Why is everyone so addicted to gambling

[silent crow]

oh my god support fire sucks ass

[bleak night]

You just really need Hitch is all, even Sworn Strike is enough in most cases

[civic ocean]

It was Lion Fang start @magic moss

[bleak night]

You got ER off of that ?

[magic moss]

<3 fang my beloved

[past salmon]

Why does everyone love gambling so much

[silent crow]

you clearly havent seen the light

[civic ocean]

I didn't get ER until oceanus I beat hecatre with +1 epic ice strike and wicked

[magic moss]

but yeah fang start and getting double god hammers and ER is kinda crazy good stuff

[bleak night]

Oh, that's kinda sweet

[past salmon]

Didn't you get mirrored first

[civic ocean]

er yeah mirrored

[bleak night]

Mirrored + Wicked is stonks, I have never gotten these two together in my life though

[civic ocean]

I got insanely lucky TBH like I hit hydraulic and Trusty off rip too

[silent crow]

ive gotten mirrored + wicked + rapid once

[bleak night]

I seem to get the long range Wallop every time

[civic ocean]

the only thing I didn't get that I wanted was the 3 DDs back

[bleak night]

Mirrored + Extending, Wicked + Extending

[past salmon]

Yeah see I just don't know how people can do runs like this

You are praying for God hammer, you are praying for your first god to be something useful
If you take maximum gambling pills Ur praying for R3 door to be something useful cuz you took off rerolls for strength like Mininet the freak

Like Ur actually just praying to RNjesus way too much

[bleak night]

True

[past salmon]

Like I would rather have more than 1 in 20 runs actually have a chance thanks

[civic ocean]

Bear in mind that I was boonless until I think floor 5 because I rolled Selene start too

[steel sequoia]

i still couldnt make Sunny Handles duos

rng is harsh

[past salmon]

Did you get Mirrored R3?

[bleak night]

oof

[civic ocean]

I did do some gaming with the trees and circles

[past salmon]

Oh wait onion R3
Or smth

[civic ocean]

no I think my hammer floor was floor 5 or 6 I can't remember

[past salmon]

What were your free rooms like in Erebus?

[magic moss]

hey ill have you know i dont run strength on staff

i prob will run it on blades tho cuz holy moly i will kms using those things

[civic ocean]

Quite good I missed Chaos Nem and Cocoons but hit all others IIRC

[bleak night]

skill issue ?

[past salmon]

See your all just fcking gambling

[bleak night]

Moooooods

[civic ocean]

Yeah I think in retro I should probably have just gone for Hera keepsake start

[past salmon]

Maybe my RNG is just not peak enough to feel the gambling meta

[bleak night]

You probably should, yeah, lol

[magic moss]

should i post the full list lmfao

[civic ocean]

Like I did it to try and prove that you didn't need ER+ to win and then just rolled ER in oceanus and won lmao

[silent crow]

at this poimt we should just all attempt 55f collectively with howmuch gambling we're already doing

[past salmon]

Like, when I originally went for staff 50F I did 30 runs in a row not seeing Mirrored Thrasher

I think I actually just have the worst luck

[civic ocean]

That was my first run in like 20 attempts where I got Mirrored Thrasher

[bleak night]

at this point, just put it on pastebin that you can edit and link it

[magic moss]

probably yeah

[civic ocean]

Also the first one that actually made it out of Erebus

But in my defense I am definitely a worse player than you guys for sure, I was flubbing everything

[silent crow]

guys do you think lv2 silver wheel is enough to clear 50f mel torch

[past salmon]

Yeah easily

If Ur planning on doing wheel erebus

[bleak night]

please level it up

[civic ocean]

@magic moss can you link me this list I wanna show my buddy

[silent crow]

nuuuuuuuuuuu

[limpid coral]

set up a save file that's 10 encounters away from level 3

[bleak night]

is that the meta

[limpid coral]

iunno it sounds funny

[silent crow]

bruh 😭

[past salmon]

It refreshes the regen lmao
But that's Def's not good you just want a gain boon after Erebus lol

[bleak night]

That's the new meta for Metallic Droplet, holy

[limpid coral]

Wait droplet refreshes?

[bleak night]

idk I'm guessing it will

[limpid coral]

Zamn

[magic moss]

i was actually going to focus on mel torches today and try to clear it but somehow ig i got a mel staff clear

[past salmon]

I don't think droplet refreshes does it
Idk either way if Ur droplet is expiring Ur fcked anyway

[bleak night]

I still think maybe Droplet's timer should be a bright colour rather than black

I don't want to have to do a double take to see what the remaining timer on it is

washed out yellow or neon green with transparency would be really good

[limpid coral]

slap a clock icon on it with one hand

[vale gate]

bruh wtf is reventant

[magic moss]

# of Unique Clears

1. Staff - 15
2. Torch - 12
3. Skull - 11
4. Axe - 10
5. Blades - 5

Removing Foolish, Mynt, and Myself

1. Staff - 7
2. Torch - 5
3. Skull - 4
4. Axe - 1
5. Blades - 0

[bleak night]

? xd

wait, Axe just one ?

[silent crow]

i thought it would start at full and then get darker no its the reverse it makes no sense

[bleak night]

no way, because ZZZ also did a 50F Charon

[magic moss]

Zzz's charon clear is the only other one

unless theres someone im missing

[bleak night]

didn't you do Mel Axe ?

and Than, too.

[past salmon]

yeh idk I guess staff is just kinda accessible since the gameplan is just "get the funny good hammer and win"

[magic moss]

Axe: 10 Clears
Mel - Mynt, Foolish, Mininet
Charon - Mynt, Foolish, Zzz, Mininet
Thanatos - Mynt, Foolish, Mininet

[random rover]

I've been grinding 50F with Axe but...not looking good right now, man.

[bleak night]

I'm surprised the thing with the most unique clears is Mel Skull

[civic ocean]

I honestly just picked staff because it was first

[bleak night]

It's 5 people

[past salmon]

It's more popular than the other easy stuff ig

[silent crow]

i finally maxed out than axe maybe i can win now

i want to win 50f with a lvl 4 aspect

[bleak night]

can someone join me in the Pan section, please

[past salmon]

bro I'm working on it 😭

[silent crow]

i got it lvl 4 i cna do this

[civic ocean]

@bleak night finished with 600 gold or so

about 4 seconds or so left on Pin

[silent crow]

how do you play pan again

[past salmon]

suffer

[silent crow]

im really good at that

[civic ocean]

So now that I have the 50 clear street cred

[past salmon]

Pan is imo the worst aspect at 50F

[civic ocean]

It's time to suffer immensely

[silent crow]

sounds about right

[bleak night]

I found a pic of you when playing Blades https://www.mysafetylabels.com/img/lg/S/choking-hazard-osha-danger-sign-s2-4320.png

[past salmon]

nah shut 😭

[bleak night]

ngl you kinda just need Hook Knives too much

[magic moss]

mel staff and mel skulls are tied actually at 6 unique clears each

[silent crow]

oh goddamnit i think that hammer is allergic to me

[civic ocean]

So what do we think the gameplan for 55 fear Staff is

[silent crow]

should i try pickup lines