h2-builds-and-combat

[magic moss]

o sick thats perfectly fine honestly

[past salmon]

Aspects unlocking is so much easier now with Charon deliveries omg

[warped egret]

Ive unlocked fears but only like 2 or 3 runs ago so ive barely played w them

[magic moss]

the infusions build works for staff and blades and maybe torches but moros is just so much better so yeah

[warped egret]

Unlocked fears, unlocked medea, played medea, wiped before i got to cyclops, decided maybe i can play other games

I think ive only successfully done an infusion build once or twice

[steel sequoia]

try hera+hestia now should be nuts

[dry lava]

What is the best weapons aspect for scorch now?

[magic moss]

torches prob

[dry lava]

Eos?

[magic moss]

could work

either mel or eos, j would say mel due to her ramping atk speed

[dry lava]

How would you play? Hestia on special?

[charred seal]

I did a run on Mel, it's insane.

Hestia special, Demeter cast, and go for duo

[magic moss]

hestia atk and just through other hestia boons ig idk

or that works

[charred seal]

Wait Mel has ramping attack speed??

[magic moss]

idk her omega atk fired a lot faster than normal atks iirc

i havent touched torches in like 2 weeks so dont trust me

[past salmon]

Mel Omega special scorch build is fun

u can use attack ig but its worse for scorch stacking probs

[warped egret]

I said id stop til the next major update but mmm i wanna try a bit

[charred seal]

Btw lucid gain on torches is REALLY GOOD.

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, just ignores regen cooldown since it's not a regen

[summer seal]

Which aspect? I'm gearing up for a Moros run and not really sure how to build for it

[charred seal]

Used it on mel

I go cast into 3 O special and repeat

I have no idea how to play moros

[spare kite]

Omega special > hold attack

Play at close range

[summer seal]

SO like, Hera/Dem/Aphro on atk and special?

[static thicket]

guys can u give me hepahetus build? i have only 2 chronos clears

[warped egret]

i feel like i need to note this down a bit
in h1 i kinda went whatever but im not v good with exploring builds myself lmao

[spare kite]

Special you can do zeus

Hera attack is nice tho

You should start with mp regen tho

[static thicket]

on moros?

[spare kite]

Yeah

[summer seal]

Gotcha, so probably keepsake for Zeus to get the gain and special

[spare kite]

I haven't tried his gain

I still use born gain on it
Apollo's looks fine?
Fluid gain too

It matters who you want in the pool first too

[static thicket]

how do u play morors? like Eris rail gun?

[summer seal]

Both are really nice, and the Zeus one is strong with the update

[warped egret]

do infusion builds need any specific boons? or do people normally just build around the first infusion boon they find

[spare kite]

@static thicket pretty much melee yeah

[summer seal]

Yeah, trying to figure that out, haha, have two more nightmares to get off torches

[static thicket]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i9 see

[spare kite]

Most need at least an element to show up
It also depends on the infusion

Playing around water stuff for Poseidon's and Demeter's is nice for example

Or zeus + aphro + dem to get air quality and buff dem's cyclone stuff

[warped egret]

i think air quality mightveeee been the one i was able to do? but ive barely done anything with poseidon or demeter

[spare kite]

Demeter's is pretty much a free win if you get it online

You can face tank chronos to death

[summer seal]

Pos + Dem is very strong on sister blades, especially Pan aspect. Gets you the re-named Coarse grit and you can get Poseidon's health boost

[warped egret]

ooh
ill go for that
part of the difficulty w H2 thus far i think, is just not knowing yet what the diff gods look like when online

i'll miss the always weak aphro boon being so easy to get

[warped egret]

oooh noting that down

no joke i really have a physical journal for game stuff lmao, its fun. got the inspo from a polygon vid.

[summer seal]

Yeah, for Pan posiedon on Special is pretty standard and works great. I like to get Demeter Cast as well, and ideally the boon that makes Poseidon stuff cause slip, because then you have Origination set

[silent crow]

40f seems pretty chill now

[warped egret]

Poseidon... Man even in H1 i didnt use him much
I think because hes got so much wealth related boons more than anything else. I am a person of habit lmfao

[spare kite]

He has one less wealth boon now

And double up is always good

Changed as of latest patch

[bronze bear]

They changed that in patch 3

[silent crow]

high fear seems pretty chill rn

maybe im js better at hades 2 than 1

[tall notch]

noooooooooo I just threw 48f Charon with the most fun build ever 😭

Pink aura could've been back but I lost my DDs like an idiot

[timber pawn]

Charon with heart throbs and the Apollo duo might shape up to be the speedrun meta for the weapon too lol

[bleak night]

alr time to play some 50F Blades runs

[magic moss]

Manaless Staff Infusion Build
Olympians: Poseidon, Zeus, Demeter, Aphrodite
Priority: Zeus = Poseidon (In high fears Zeus > Poseidon) > Demeter > Aphrodite

Must Get Boons:
Zeus Static Shock
Zeus Storm Ring
Demeter Gale Force

High Tier Boons:
Zeus Lightning Lance
Poseidon Wave Strike
Poseidon Slippery Slope

Outside of the 3 boons listed, every boon choice should go towards fulfilling an infusion, so Poseidon is very high value.
Demeter Frosty Veneer > Poseidon Water Fitness > Aphrodite Wispy Wiles > Zeus Air Quality

With the changes to Coarse Grit, now called Frosty Veneer, Poseidon + Demeter is a crazy combo for staff because most of the boons you want from Demeter like Frigid Sprint and Gale Force are water boons. In combination with Water Fitness, getting >6 water boons becomes very easy making you incredibly tanky. The changes to the minor rewards also makes Double Up have more value. You can also fish for the Poseidon legendary, but its not necessary

For low fear runs, Arctic Ring can replace storm ring, but from my personal experience, you need the storm ring damage as staff lacks the damage to clear guardians in time, especially in Erebus. Gale Force and Slippery Slope can cover the Origination Debuffs as well.

This build also works for every blade aspect, as Fluid Gain is a great Gain option for the blades as they hit many times. All you would need to do is replace Wave Strike with Wave Flourish for the Aspect of Pan. For Artemis and Mel, Poseidon attack works fine

Build Clearing on 50F: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1256127609926848562/image.png?ex=667fa37f&is=667e51ff&hm=e91720d48d9573248642e1101b463a41cddb515304cc1d1813fc87d52d6c98c1&

Arcana (Can Change Origination to Boatman if you want more rerolls, highly recommended for High Fear Runs): https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1256003918702313482/image.png?ex=667f304d&is=667ddecd&hm=4e54765bede472f2326239f0ca26a38a8783eb6d169795a38913350e3c3c5452&

[bleak night]

Ooooh, did you do this continuous or did you savestate ?

[magic moss]

i created a savestate just in case but continuous one shot

[bleak night]

Wait so you have it recorded ?

[magic moss]

only chronos fight

[bleak night]

Ah rip. Guess we still gotta grind. Great to know you have a clear though

[magic moss]

had to leave halfway through

[bleak night]

What was the keepsake order ?

I kinda wanna try now

[warped egret]

Ooo thank you!

[magic moss]

Zeus -> Pin/Demeter/Poseidon if you havent hit the olympians -> Pin -> Tooth since I had veneer + fitness

its a build that requires insane rng but if you hit its like a guaranteed clear

[bleak night]

wait nvm I thought that was Blades for some reason

It was that Momus run you did earlier with the fat infusions, yeah I remember

[magic moss]

im doing a blades run with it rn so uh

[bleak night]

Is it going any good ?

also which aspect

[magic moss]

3 dds 14 second left erebus clear on artemis

i did savestate tho since fck erebus

[bleak night]

Lemme give it a go as well, I'll probs die a lot.

I'll go full Reroll + Artificer and remove Origination

[magic moss]

also if you already have pos atk then storm ring/lightning lance > static shock. If you have pos atk and storm ring then lightning lance >>>>>>> static

[bleak night]

I'll give it a run

[silent crow]

going for apollo stuff into hestia for slow cooker seems like a p good strategy rn

[magic moss]

on staff static is better but blades has too short of a reach making the risk reward balance really risk skewed

so lance + storm ring works wonders keeping enemies at bay while you focus on a different griup

[silent crow]

just roll into mirrored + wicked + rapid thrasher and win so ez

[magic moss]

god i wish it was that easy but the build is designed to not rely on hammer rng, but it greatly helps

[robust prism]

I DID IT https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759825872068280371/1256267968304775218/image.png?ex=66802637&is=667ed4b7&hm=4e0abf5b19721f551270a267ea05eb3a733efb0bc1fe381f7ea2d3f3af6c92eb&

wasn't expecting to win when I went into the chronos fight with only the toula dd left

honestly chronos was surprisingly easy, giant moneybag was the real endboss

only took an hour and 42 minutes

[fervent narwhal]

what exactly do you do in a pacifist run? @robust prism

[tired fulcrum]

You dont press any offensive buttons

[robust prism]

you just don't deal direct damage to enemies, you can only use toula, summoned allies, revenge boons, traps and non-damaging curses

[bleak night]

MY GOD THIS WEAPON SUCKS

[tired fulcrum]

Is this daggers

[bleak night]

yes

[tired fulcrum]

Understandable

[next chasm]

As a person who is doing daggers run rn, relatable

[magic moss]

it took me 30 attempts to get to where i am now chilling after erebus

the weapon is straight a,ss for high fear runs

[next chasm]

Well, I'm trying them with poseidon rn

[silent crow]

i was only able to win 32f daggers by cheesing with final slice and apollo atk

[next chasm]

Looking good, got epic born gain and removed arrogance debuff + epic slope

[magic moss]

coarse grit changes may have been the single greatest thing to have come for daggers because the infusions build has everything daggers want for every aspect

[uneven palm]

All the new Hephy goodies this patch are so fun https://imgur.com/a/pXfhRB9

[steel sequoia]

i think pink aura got buffed

[bronze bear]

who are the water gods? is it demeter, pos, aphro?

[steel sequoia]

y

good offensive/defensive trio

[bronze bear]

not big on pos

probably my least favourite god to get

[steel sequoia]

my least was hestia and now she is good, i dont hate any god so far

[silent crow]

i dont like pos too much

[timber pawn]

What could even be done to make it better

[silent crow]

better dama ge

[magic moss]

slight range buff and remove a bit of endlag on the last hit of attack combo

make special omega chargeup faster

[bronze bear]

give it hook knives at the start

[magic moss]

not as in charging up multiple daggers, im talking just getting it to the omega charging, takes like half a second currently of just holding special

[timber pawn]

It's weird that Pan is in a pretty good place for speedruns but is dog in high fear

I assume it's just that it needs hammers/good poseidon boon to get off the ground

But onion exists

[bleak night]

I made it to the middle of fields in 9 mins with a really good build then I died to armoured biters and Weepers because why not

[magic moss]

hows the build feeling

[bleak night]

I had Final Slice and Poseidon Waves with Engagement Ring

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1256275964162478171/image.png?ex=66802daa&is=667edc2a&hm=c71f5fbd8c03b07bae46603e815f54ea387433f025e1017ed7eb17d2ad2dd4c5&

Meh, I hate this weapon a lot ngl

[silent crow]

final slice woo

[magic moss]

fair

[bleak night]

if brought Lucky Tooth I would've made it to Echo, so that's on me ig

[silent crow]

final slice is the only fun ive had playing blades

[bleak night]

Kinda sad now, because it took me 7 tries to leave Erebus to get that build, and I died to something stupid

[bronze bear]

which blades is best at 50F

[silent crow]

isnt blades played aspectless basically

[bronze bear]

what no

[next chasm]

Doing blades at 50f is asking for trouble tbh

[bronze bear]

you're prob thinking of staff

[magic moss]

it dont matter but imo artemis for the parry

[silent crow]

has blades evrn cleared 50f yrt

[timber pawn]

It's the only weapon that hasn't

[bronze bear]

no

[silent crow]

epic

[bronze bear]

can zeus legendary work on minibosses?

[tough pasture]

got hephy's legendary for the first time but forgot to check the menu after beating chronos

So he gives a rank 6 weapon aspect, right?

/hephaestus is my favorite of the olympians.

[timber pawn]

Yup

[bronze bear]

so anything except guardians

[timber pawn]

Correct, the scaling isn't linear though, so it's bigger improvements to the aspects

[timber pawn]

That's my understanding, charybdis probably can't be zapped either though

[tough pasture]

OH REALLY?!?!?

How much better are we talking?

What would charon rank 6 look like? would it be like 50% damage size and 50% damage boost?

rank 5 is 30% size increase and damage increase.

So if it's not linear, then it wouldn't be 35% to each. Would be it be 40%/45%/50%?

[bronze bear]

the creature in water can't be zapped smh

[timber pawn]

Maybe also tiny vermin

[karmic gust]

Holy torch with blood line is insane

[bronze bear]

sometimes pos knockback just feels like a drawback

these guys are stuck in my cast and then I just knock them to safety? now I gotta chase them down because timer?

[low bear]

I've finally done 50F Moros!

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1256281059134537778/image.png?ex=66803269&is=667ee0e9&hm=96ed96027d8aa5e3867d57ce63f16fa7a24c1a1810488d743851fe79385374d2&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1375&height=755

[next chasm]

How was it?

[low bear]

I got really good rng here so it wasn't that bad, I was getting nervous at the end but I knew I could win, I had the timer and the build and carried by the most OP aspect LOL

[warped egret]

I got v lucky and got this online very quickly with high rarity but this build is insane im only on F1 but i think scylla took like. 2 minutes. Less, even.

So this is what it's like running a proper build

[rough trench]

I generally dislike Poseidon core boons because of this. Very rarely do I want to knock back the enemies so much.

[knotty fulcrum]

can someone share some arcana build for high fear?

[low bear]

what weapon and fear

[knotty fulcrum]

what differs from different weaps for me its usually just huntress vs the cast one

[warped egret]

Same here, this is why i barely use him

[knotty fulcrum]

but lets say for a build with no mana

and for fear lets say 43+

[bleak night]

LET'S GO

[knotty fulcrum]

Im looking more for what others play I think Ill be able to change the setup for diff weaps

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217110523091357747/1256284588674777118/image.png?ex=668035b2&is=667ee432&hm=90fd99d20c805490c2f7340b73187084921796c9b09c749d952f21d49fe4eb00&

[low bear]

damn that seems genuinely harder than some 55F runs LOL

[knotty fulcrum]

crazy stuff

[low bear]

Aspect of friggin Mel too

[bleak night]

I misstepped and lost a dd to instakill

look at my HP lmao

[warped egret]

😭 Cutting it close
I don't memorize all the boon icons, but hot dang

Whats the black diamond?

[bleak night]

Mint Condition

[low bear]

I got heroic Mint on my winning 50F Moros run

it's genuinely pretty OP

[bleak night]

I'm

[knotty fulcrum]

damn you got 50f moros? what was the build?

[bleak night]

dear god my heart is pumping so much right now

[low bear]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1256281059134537778/image.png?ex=66803269&is=667ee0e9&hm=96ed96027d8aa5e3867d57ce63f16fa7a24c1a1810488d743851fe79385374d2&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1375&height=755

[magic moss]

is that worlds first 50F dagger clear?

[bleak night]

I was so close to losing that because I walked out of the instakill circle a little early

[bleak night]

Yeah, it is. I had 8 water and neither Poseidon nor Dem's infusions showed up

That was my entire wincon, but they just decided to not show up

[low bear]

early rng was really kind to me

[low bear]

but you won anyway, GGs!

[magic moss]

gad damn it

[knotty fulcrum]

tranquil gain is kinda insane

[magic moss]

if only i didnt have work

[low bear]

tranquil was... not ideal LOL

[bleak night]

I'm uploading the run now

[magic moss]

god i want to play so badly rn

[low bear]

but I was about to step out of Erebus without a gain boon so I just took tranquil

[knotty fulcrum]

I think hearth gain is best rn maybe you could’ve rerolled

depending on how late you got hestia

[low bear]

I already had Tranquil before I got hestia sadly

I actually got 5 gods unnaturally in Oceanus, Hestia was in midshop and I got Hera on the boss room

[steel sequoia]

hearth gain is good, just dont run it on charon lmao

[low bear]

I was hoping it would give me a sacrifice offer, but it didn't

[steel sequoia]

i think overall ionic gain should be the best one rn

[low bear]

Tranquil is okay at high enough mana anyway there's usually a pause between waves

[cursive oyster]

man i just lost my first 40f attempt because chronos decided to spawn a scythe throw on top of me when i was to the top right of him somehow

he had like 500 health left

[low bear]

the only thing I need is for the pause to go away lol, that's killed me a bunch of times

[knotty fulcrum]

ok now you inspired me to try some 50f moros

[low bear]

you've got this! 50F Moros is the most doable imo

[bleak night]

I can relax now and just do Mel Skull and Staff 50F at my own pace

[low bear]

Silver Wheel start makes it so much less painful

[knotty fulcrum]

it was my first 40+ so maybe

[bleak night]

I'd just really rather not stress myself out after that Blades run jfc

[steel sequoia]

didnt you had enough pain?

[low bear]

Mel Skull and Staff are a lot less painful than daggers that's for sure

[magic moss]

well you already have staff down its literally the same build but like 10x easier

[bleak night]

They aren't Blades + I'll be doing them to relax since the weapons themselves are less bad

[void idol]

Does anyone else feel like aspect of eos does too little damage

[magic moss]

but good to know that my build also works with blades 50F

im yoinking your victory for my proof of concept for blades

[bleak night]

I have 5 gods in my pool if you noticed lol

[magic moss]

i did

no zeus is crazy but good sht congrats

now i want to finish my run so badly

[bleak night]

I have a clip I wanna show you people

lemme just trim it off the run vid

[magic moss]

love how water went from worst element to hyper broken

[bleak night]

nah it still kinda sucks lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1256288663294185472/IDIOT.mp4?ex=6680397e&is=667ee7fe&hm=0e330284895d5feeb8a93eaa32eabeaeff9642b96b514b8a4cc233831b996299&

[fervent narwhal]

the choke is real

[limpid coral]

honestly with a vfx like that the fact that that hitbox lingers is so wack

[silent crow]

bruh 😭

[bleak night]

I won tho

but yeah I did choke that dd

[silent crow]

he js walked into it that hitbox doesnt linger 😭

[limpid coral]

i mean like if i see a big flashy nuke i'm accustomed to its hitbox being active for like 1 frame yknow

[bronze bear]

sike

[bleak night]

I really should've clipped it better, it looks like I cut it to before I lost

[limpid coral]

like to me it appears like the big flash happens and a bit later the damage is still there

[silent crow]

the big flash doesnt have a hitbox

[limpid coral]

i don't mean the white flash before it happens

[bronze bear]

problems Charon never has to experience because he just chills outside charging his omega special

[silent crow]

oh i see it

[limpid coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/885007146981396480/1256290588882501734/image.png?ex=66803b49&is=667ee9c9&hm=876a79f799564ff2b6485f6cc24d30c51d87ab41e01953a34036b5cc1f0a265a& like this frame is what i mean

[craggy ore]

that pic goes so hard

[bleak night]

so I was 1 frame too early in stepping out ?

[silent crow]

isnt optimal charon played melee now

[limpid coral]

after that frame a yellow circle effect plays around the middle

[bleak night]

tbh I just choked that dd, and I still won, so let's just put it to rest

[limpid coral]

i guess that's supposed to indicate "don't walk into the wall of doom"?? idk

[bronze bear]

huh

[bleak night]

yeah, it kinda is for the most part

[bronze bear]

what have I missed

[silent crow]

idk i dont want to play charon ever aga in

[bleak night]

I mean I just play it melee

I drop the cast and charge in front of the enemies all the time

I do input some dodges as I do it, but still pretty melee

[bronze bear]

you don't dash while charging anymore?

[bleak night]

I still do, but charging in the face of enemies is still melee, even if I dodge at the end to reposition

[limpid coral]

you sure do stay in range of 112!

[bleak night]

My brain is full melee, so it's just optimal for me, at least

[bronze bear]

oh

[bleak night]

When things become long ranged I kinda just can't focus too well for some reason

[limpid coral]

when enemies are far away its harder to know what theyre doing

[bleak night]

when I play melee I usually don't like looking at my char too much, I like to look at the enemies around me so I can react accordingly

because I kinda know the position of my character when I play Axe

doesn't stop me from getting hit by stupid bs though so there's that

[limpid coral]

like if theres a big hammer guy from tartarus far away and u need to kill it, if u walk towards it u don't really know if its gonna do the quick charge or the slow swing and u gotta react. but if you're already close by its always safe to just dash through it the moment u see it wind up for anything

[bleak night]

also I gotta say, facetank builds in 50F are kinda viable

because Weak is 30% damage reduction

[silent crow]

all builds are facetank with my t condition

[bleak night]

I kinda wish I had Origination here, but I swapped it out for Boatman. I had 4 status curses on me

[bleak night]

I meant I still facetanked hits outside of it. Like, a LOT

[silent crow]

[bleak night]

what does the Slip status effect do ?

I had Weak, Daze, Slip and Freeze in this run lol. No Origination though

[limpid coral]

its a tiny global damage increase. like 5 10 15 20 by rarity i think?

[magic moss]

yknow when imade my build i never even considered weak from aphro but damn thats insane

[bleak night]

Ah, so I guess it was kinda useless in my run then

[silent crow]

worse sweet surrender

[bleak night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTh95jgIIG8&ab_channel=Myntkaramell

[silent crow]

it apparently increases the knockback enemies take but im not convinced that exists

[bronze bear]

enemies are already knocked back so far how much further can they get

[limpid coral]

somehow glad to see that people who are good at the game also get caught doing random attacks while trying to just move around after killing something

[bronze bear]

I saw mynt do 2 axe swings for no reason after claiming a chaos boon

[limpid coral]

i mean like at 1:05 in the video

[steel sequoia]

charon is the best and more fun weap https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1256294682175213598/20240628140502_1.jpg?ex=66803f19&is=667eed99&hm=31a1927d1164b105f98e61c9c284b9a393e7a3c9f44c965922499a79d3847d98&

[bleak night]

ooh nice clear time

[bronze bear]

I meant here https://youtu.be/Nd0Y2I7fm8E?t=138

[bleak night]

LMAO

[steel sequoia]

i swear ive played slowly

[limpid coral]

fishing at 50f insane

[bleak night]

I was trying to get more water (I did)

in the end, the water infusions were useless because neither of them appeared, so that sucked for me

[limpid coral]

stay hydrated

[bleak night]

even with the 3 Dems and 4 Poseidons I found

[slate pecan]

wooo gzz this is fire!

[bleak night]

Hiya, apparently the key to winning is to just bruteforce with attack spam

[low bear]

fishing gives water??

[bleak night]

Did you not read what the new gathering tools do lol

[low bear]

no LOL

[bleak night]

Yeah it's p neat that way

[low bear]

damn that's pretty cool, I guess shouldn't be skipping the room rewards now LOL

I think I might take Toula just to AVOID fishing tho

[bleak night]

It's only once per run to get each element, so keep that in mind

[low bear]

ahhh

[bleak night]

I should have maybe dug up the plants I found along the way, but I wasn't going for Martial Art until I found it

[low bear]

okay that makes it more balanced

[bronze bear]

familiar harvests give infusions too

[bleak night]

even non-familiar ones do

[bronze bear]

frog is air, shovel earth, cat water

[bleak night]

I brought Fishing rod and I got Earth off a digging spot I found

I have Frinos, so no way for me to have an earth tool with me

[bronze bear]

iunno what gives fire i never got any

[prisma rapids]

I try to avoid posting here so I don't get biased when testing things, but if anyone wants to accelerate how quickly Poseidon gets fixed, check this out: #h2-feedback message

[bleak night]

Mining gives fire

[bleak night]

I was trying to get this infusion the entire time didn't show up

[bronze bear]

oh so non-tools give infusions too

[bleak night]

They do, yeah

[slate pecan]

that finish though damn must've been stressful

[bronze bear]

did you

I doubt it will be fixed any quicker than their regular patch schedule

[prisma rapids]

They hotfix things all of the time

If they are warranted, and to be honest, this is imo

[bleak night]

I honestly shook to my core when I inted my last dd to the instakill

[slate pecan]

i could almost feel that in the video lol as if it affected your plays or something

[bleak night]

The most palpable desperation

[low bear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayzjZCR1hoI&ab_channel=jdeeyu

[bleak night]

submit away to the leaderboard lol

[low bear]

yeah I just submitted LOL, I feel someone is close to getting 55 with Moros too

[bleak night]

yeah Foolish is going to get it really soon

I really despise Abandon runs so I'll probs just not do them unless I'm VCing with people

[low bear]

silver wheel start made me consider 50F moros so it was a really nice change to panick

[low bear]

yeah Abandon feels so unfun lol

[bleak night]

was this seeded btw

didn't see a death at the start is all

either way shouldn't really matter, since the clear is all we need. I might spam the same seed for a 55F attempt

[low bear]

it wasn't but it was my first run of the session which was kinda unfortunate

[bleak night]

either way, Clean Candle start kinda goes hard

[low bear]

yeah I was planning to die but clean candle start made me go through with it

[bleak night]

I wanna do a 50F on Torches but my brain is just not equipped to use this weapon

[low bear]

I can probably replicate it if I get early CC anyway, I got to Chronos without it with completely dog hammers but ran out of time

[low bear]

it's impressive you got daggers pretty quickly tho

Moros is going to be a walk in the park compared to daggers at 50 LOL

[bleak night]

quickly

[low bear]

relatively? how many days have you been trying it lol

[bleak night]

I've been trying for 3 days, lol. Difference is I swapped to Mel Blades for today's session

[low bear]

ah I guess the week just flew by lol

[silent crow]

mel blades goated aspect fr

[low bear]

this statement offends me even if it's sarcastic

[bleak night]

The moment I swapped to Mel Blades I just kept breaking through to Oceanus

because playing for parry apparently slows you down by a LOT

[low bear]

it probably does yeah

[next chasm]

Yeah, I wish there was a better way to activate parry

[low bear]

parry should be like how you block with axe tbh

[silent crow]

i dont like the concept in generwl

[bleak night]

The moment I tried to parry but I was at my attack chain 3 (the small flurry jabs), I knew I'd be eating a hit

[low bear]

I don't like having to force yourself to get hit

[silent crow]

feels weird to have an aspect whos gimmick you can only use every 15 seconds

[bleak night]

if it was 1 or 2 I could parry

imagine training and learning all these steps just to play the aspect with a statstick damage boost and do better

[silent crow]

the hades 2 experience

[low bear]

I like the concept, I don't like how it's not really a "parry". When I hear parry I think of reaction times and parry frames

[bleak night]

ye it's rough to transition from offense to parry stance

the opposite is really easy and quick though, so that's nice at least

[low bear]

imagine if they made an Arty aspect on axe, but the parry is the first few frames of your block

[silent crow]

why are explosive ambush builds bad on high fear

[bleak night]

I have a feeling if I went Origination this run I'd have done fairly better, but I guess Boatman and extra rerolls made me win in the end, so I'm not sure

[bleak night]

gotta go out of your way to remove 2 rebuke hearts before you ambush

but someone did an Explosive Ambush run at 48 in patch 1

[silent crow]

cant u js get an antirebuke cast like on charon

[bleak night]

also @low bear Moros is just kinda disgusting huh. Melting Hecate in 2 seconds lol

[bleak night]

you gotta commit Lightning Lance or Glowing Coal to get that down then

[low bear]

yes it is LOL that's why I firmly believe it's the strongest aspect currently

oh wrong reply

[bleak night]

I really wouldn't run Zeus keepsake or Hestia keepsake on blades since you want either Poseidon or Dem as a start

[low bear]

but yeah Moros damage is disgusting

[bleak night]

I was just really lucky to get Heroic Waves

[bleak night]

and yet I can't play it for the life of me

[next chasm]

Dem as a start for blades?

[bleak night]

yeah you need something to break through rebuke hearts

Poseidon works a lot better in that regard, but you end up hoping you get Epic or Heroic Attack or you're kinda borked with that low damage

[magic moss]

this is why i actually start zeus and go storm ring

[tiny wasp]

let me tell you what is disgusting. comboing the new Heph/Aphro duo with the Apollo/Duo and a low cooldown attack/special from Heph with the double blasts duo. Took me three runs to get all the pieces, but man the hearthrobs were chunking him insanely with how many i made

[bleak night]

Oooh, so you Daze something, then you Blast them and then get hearthrobs? Or did you mean Apollo/Aphro duo

[tiny wasp]

not the most efficient way to get the big numbers and takes a lot of pieces, but that kind of synergy is what ive been missing

[low bear]

I'm sure it just takes some practice for you LOL

[bleak night]

someone here was peddling Eos Torches with Hephaestus Attack and it's kinda funny, if you wanna try that out

[tiny wasp]

I had the apollo/aphro, apollo/hephy, aphro/hephy, and hephy/hestia duos

[bleak night]

That's a lot of duos jfc

What was the Heph/Hestia one again ?

Something to do with the timings of the blast, iirc? I forgot the exact numbers

[tiny wasp]

i was about to give up after multiple runs of trying to get at least 3 of the gods i needed in erebus, but the last attempt was graced by the rng gods. their duo makes heph's blasts fire twice if you use them again within 2 seconds after their cooldown. they made the window bigger with the update

[spare kite]

After the CD is up (2 seconds window) if you hit with the blast again it strikes twice

[bleak night]

That sounds really interesting ngl

[spare kite]

Does apollo/aphro give you 3 orbs with heph/aphro?

When I tried the run I only missed that ine

[bleak night]

It feels really good when all the pieces like that come together ngl

btw @spare kite did you see what I posted earlier

[spare kite]

Let me scroll up

[tiny wasp]

yep, and if you have the double blasts duo from hestia then it makes 6

[bleak night]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

[bleak night]

What the hell, that sounds insane actually. I should try that out in a fun run

[spare kite]

What the actual

What possessed you to do that

[tiny wasp]

needs a lot of pieces but man it was wild. i was using aspect of pan with heph special, just so that when i did my fully charged omega, id create the extra 3 hearthrobs from magic use, on top of the double blast

[bleak night]

lol, gaming

[spare kite]

Is this the first blades 50

[bleak night]

So basically it's Heph start and you kinda just bring rerolls and hope you find Apollo, Hestia and Aphro ? Probs 2nd god keepsake in Oceanus

[bleak night]

Yep, it is I almost threw the run

[next chasm]

Yeah, that last dd spend was reckless af

[bleak night]

True, I would've lost my mind if I lost that because of that

[tiny wasp]

yeah basically. i actually got extremely lucky and didnt have to roll at all in erebus and got 3 of the 4 i needed, took the 4th's keepsake in oceanus. Although take note that one reason the combo is tough to get is because Heartbreaker is not a requirement for the Aphro/Heph duo, need one of her core boons

[bleak night]

Oooh, I see. I'll prob go ahead and check all the reqs before I go for a run then

[spare kite]

That was my experience too
And I got hestia/aphro too

[bleak night]

you have the victory screen screenshot by any chance so I can see your core boons ?

[tiny wasp]

so you just need a lot of boon opportunities and luck with the gods that show

[bleak night]

rerolls can help with that, at least

I can just go for gold or HP if they're not the gods I want, I suppose. Still, Duo synergy like that goes really damn hard. I might need to play a lot to get that

[tiny wasp]

the only thing i feel confident re-rolling is mini boss doors for boons lol i never know when i can roll and possibly have a boon pop up on a regular door. I usually just roll Selene and that is about it, i just accept whatever i need otherwise

[bleak night]

Ah, that's fair.

[tiny wasp]

obviously i know i cant roll ashes and psyche and nectar for boons, but i dont wanna waste rolls when im going for a lot of different pieces in a build

[bleak night]

Oh, do you not take Artificer ?

3 grasp for it makes it really nice to take with you used to be 6

[tiny wasp]

I didnt that run where i got all the pieces for the build, but i have been more. Yeah it makes it much better to just get 3 free things for less cost. I got a hammer from it already, which was wild

[steel sequoia]

bruh this build is the ultimate build, totally what ive wanted to play LMAO i do recommend trying it https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1256312463972892822/20240628151441_1.jpg?ex=66804fa8&is=667efe28&hm=203f89610e9d6a83a31c3f0ae0614cdf3932f8f5e117ebdc490d30fa4e96df92&

[muted quail]

https://imgur.com/a/PfSdl38 if i grab the -50% boon, will i gain 10% for using omega's? lol

since i already ahve -60%

[steel sequoia]

they are sepparated instances i think so no

[muted quail]

guess ill have to find out

[tiny wasp]

i gotta remember to put my crazy builds in here lol

[muted quail]

i have such a crazy build right now

everythings dead in 1 hit

https://imgur.com/a/zS7BGvT 1500 dmg per attack

[tiny wasp]

im assuming the executioner chop and hell splitter combo means hell splitter hits twice

[muted quail]

yup 😄

also means if you run out of mana, cant use basic attack, so be careful

https://imgur.com/a/tDHcz6N 3sec vampire boss yes pls

[steel sequoia]

this is my masterpiece so far https://www.tiktok.com/@inosuk3das/video/7385621952226036998

[tiny wasp]

they said they fixed executioner chop so that if you dont have mana it still hits normally. im guessing it wasn't fixed or that combo makes it not work as intended

[next chasm]

Which axe aspect is best for 20 fear?

[tiny wasp]

probably charon just because it is pretty safe

[muted quail]

yeah its the combo, but i think it works like intended since its op asf

[bleak night]

that got fixed now

You can still attack if you don't have 20 mana, it's just the single chop now rather than 2 is all

[muted quail]

oh wow

yep ur right

[bleak night]

good change, yep

[steel sequoia]

they adressed most of the game problems, this patch is awesome

[tiny wasp]

so while im here, what are our feelings on the hestia/demeter duo now? bc i think it is a bit overkill, albeit very fun lol

[steel sequoia]

didnt tested it yet, is that strong? doesnt look like it works without hestia ring

[tiny wasp]

oh boy, you would be very wrong in assuming that

the flame strike got buffed, but if you use the torces with demeter attack (cast too but i prefer to build up scorch first) and hestia special, just let scorch stack and hit em with one attack and watch half the boss' health evaporate

[bleak night]

I need to do a Flame Strike Axe run for fun

[tiny wasp]

that sounds terrible, i love it

[silent crow]

do poseidon attack axe with crashing wave

[bleak night]

I tried that before, it kinda slapped ngl

[steel sequoia]

do that weird stuff with than

[muted quail]

i just killed cerberus before he could do 2 attacks lmao

[tiny wasp]

idk how i feel about poseidon's new cast. Im glad it can inflict his curse and acts as a requirement, but it feels so meh

[bleak night]

I honestly might do a for fun Flame Strike run to relax. It sounds fun at least

[low bear]

pos cast should plain apply slip ngl

[bleak night]

Pos Cast kinda sucks ngl

I don't see myself using Tidal Ring ever, Geyser Spout is alr tho

[silent crow]

bor ing

[tiny wasp]

and i dont like the idea that hhe needs a second boon to make his cast do the geyser ring thing. but mostly because im not sure if the geyser spout adds omega cast damage or changes the base power

[bleak night]

like, if you're on a water build then there are two Cast boons that are 5x better than it

[steel sequoia]

ur suppose to stack all the buffs on ring, but its not good anyways

[bleak night]

Dem (S+ let's be honest) and Aphro (pretty good, maybe A)

[silent crow]

i think poseidon is a very boring god rn

[tiny wasp]

i mean i was hitting for like 1000 with his cast and geyser consistently yesterday, but also got a 95% cast damage increase from chaos

[steel sequoia]

i like pos better than zeus

[silent crow]

zeus has other boons that do something poseidon u js take his attack or special and slip and done

[bleak night]

the thing with Geyser is that it's one off those boons that just scales disgustingly with rarity

Base common 200, Base heroic 500. It's literally +100 per rarity level

so it's either mid or spammable and an easy win

[tiny wasp]

Yeah i know that, but is that damage it shows added to the base omega cast damage or does that just become the omega cast detonation damage

bc i feel like it should just add to the base power of the omega cast detonation if it doesnt already work that way

[bleak night]

I've no clue, honestly. The numbers are bugged rn

I feel like Night (the arcana that gives 100 power to omega cast) should work with Geyser, but I'm getting mixed reports

Some say it works, some say it doesn't, and I'm at a point where I really wanna find out before I do a serious run with it as part of my win condition

[silent crow]

500???

[bleak night]

Yeah

[tiny wasp]

i was using it yesterday and it seemed funky. havent tested it with skelly, but that doesnt necessarily mean it is gonna play well with other gods boons

[spare kite]

Mom, they are bashing torches on feedback again

[silent crow]

thank god moros really needs buffs rn

[bleak night]

true

maybe that way I can actually play it now, because I'm just that bad at Torches lol

[steel sequoia]

play EOS, its fun and plain you just hold attack

[tall notch]

Eos

[tiny wasp]

the torches are so incredibly strong, it just takes some good positioning and spacing to make sure you dont take damage. genuinely a skill issue

[bleak night]

nvm they nerfed the base damage of Geyser Spout and increased the pom ratios

it's 320 at heroic now

[tall notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqJhpEMbtvo torches suck

[tiny wasp]

take too much damage that is, i hated them at first too. then i got better and they were stupid

@bleak night the skill issue comment was not aimed at you, i didnt see what you said until after lol i was talking about whoever said that people are complaining about them

[low bear]

eyy congrats!

[tiny wasp]

you have been very nice and cordial, so i didnt want you to think i was being rude lol

[low bear]

Eos is easily the weakest of the torch aspects now tho imo

altho I haven't tried out the new Daybreaker, is it a lot better

[bleak night]

no, it's a running joke that I'm bad at Torches dw lol

[muted quail]

winscreen of the 1 hit death build, was doing 1850-2100dmg per basic attack https://imgur.com/a/tg3YNwS

[bleak night]

and tbf it's pretty true

[bleak night]

fat damage

[tiny wasp]

i was not aware of the running joke lol just didnt want you to think i was being rude @bleak night

[tall notch]

it really is

[bleak night]

dw about it lol 👍

[tiny wasp]

so what is the play with eos, actually just attack non stop? without utilizing the daybreaker copying specials thing?

[bleak night]

@muted quail thoughts? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1247891760466759803/wtf_is_this.mp4?ex=667fffc4&is=667eae44&hm=edcd748c476e117f577eb640dd339a624e1eb2f7903763f685be55d7c9a1ffed&

old patch since it was posted weeks back, but still doable rn

[steel sequoia]

i have fun with rainbow builds https://www.tiktok.com/@inosuk3das/video/7385621952226036998

[tiny wasp]

that was nuts lol hell splitter im guessing, and white antler too with the crit frequency

[bleak night]

flame strke kinda nice

[bleak night]

rip old Antler

[steel sequoia]

if you get the buffs its nice

[bleak night]

I also just learned from the speedrun discord that the tooltip on Scorch changes if you have the boon that boosts scorch rate

[silent crow]

the tooltip on weak doesnt tho..

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218621088049659930/1256272962575794268/image.png?ex=66802ade&is=667ed95e&hm=2be6c053d190bad3c3a830c3d7cce75d89b665f04ac6ce7b318cd58a8df8d908&

[tiny wasp]

i kinda think it is still alright, allows me to make the build and if i want the potential of huge damage ill take it for the last region

[bleak night]

that's fair, yeah

[steel sequoia]

thats nice

[silent crow]

i like new antler better bc i can use it without losing my mind

[bleak night]

Still, they nerfed the crit rate on it, so it's kinda sad

[muted quail]

yeah that was basically my fight as well

[tiny wasp]

i think the crit rate should have stayed the same tbh, especially since it only works for a region along with the only 30 health. that is like one hit from chronos lol

[muted quail]

more waiting around for his invulnerable phases than actually fighting

[tiny wasp]

@bleak night the hearthrob build was chunking chronos like your axe build was. obviously need a lot of pieces, but i was doing that damage without the crits

[bleak night]

fat crits do be stacking up

[tiny wasp]

just as point of reference for how solid it was. actually i kinda of just deleted chronos first half of health in phase two because i built up like 12 hearthrobs

[bleak night]

what are your thoughts on Hexes btw

I had this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1255832560433631252/Lunar_Ray.mp4?ex=667fe236&is=667e90b6&hm=326a0baf713b8f8754626391db900484b1a1ce4c0b43c5bd9c49c1203f0be8b7&

[steel sequoia]

Sunny Disposition feels good everytime

[tiny wasp]

dont care for them at all lol im never gonna take a path of stars or hex over literally anything else in the game

[bleak night]

ngl they're really good rn when you upgrade em

[tiny wasp]

well what i was about to say is the upgrading is my issue lol

some of them do some nice things fully upgraded, but im not gonna actively take a path of stars for upgrade over anything else when it comes to picking a room. i only get the upgrades in the fields when the path just happens to be a part of the room where i need one of the rewards

[silent crow]

i havent done a build that actually spends magic in so long

[bleak night]

I'm at a point where I do for Charon, but for the rest yeah def not. If you go for a Charon run, try to equip Moon Beam in Fields if you find a good Hex

[tiny wasp]

and i dont particulary care for the whole "this hex gets less upgrade points" mechanic. I would rather that cresecent/half/whole mechanic mean that you get a stronger version based on which phase it is

there has been exactly one time in my 213 hrs on this game where a hex has benefitted me. I had charon axe, the morph hex, and upgraded it where morphed enemies appear in my cast when i lay it. Got some nightmare rooms in house of hades, and it saved my dds for the fight

[bleak night]

Total Eclipse is really good rn if you give it a shot

The Brights on it are damn good, well 3 out of 4 are, so you're guaranteed to get something

[tiny wasp]

i believe they can be good, im not doubting that they can do well. I just would rather get more boons from the olympians to complement my main damage outputs than worry about a hex

but now that selene's keepsake makes her likely to appear, i might consider that more.

starting off with a hex makes it much more likely to get it's full potential i assume

[bleak night]

Some of these grant you invulnerability for periods of time is all, so it's just really good to spec into. On Charon, you have a core you need and everything else is essentially support since the base damage is enough for Chronos, so you have the time to grab Moon stuff

[tiny wasp]

yeah ive had some nice stuff with them like that before, i just find it difficult to incorporate it into the builds, especially when builds need a lot of pieces. although i remember one fully upgraded gave me a crazy cast thing that was sick

made my cast act as my omega

[steel sequoia]

watching haelian playing pos sprint with beach ball and its funny ngl

[tiny wasp]

i was actuually thinking about doing this lol he beat me to it

[silent crow]

doesnt beach ball require apollo sprint

[tiny wasp]

either one of their sprints works

[cunning pollen]

Is it just me or special cancelling is really good on many of the weapons?

[bleak night]

that's fair, yeah. It's definitely a gamble (unless it's Wolf Howl)

because Wolf Howl is just an invincibility frame thing

[charred seal]

Ok so Aphrodite Hera duo is super funny in Hecate fight

It straight up completely counters the multi illusion attack, it outright ends it

[silent crow]

has anyone done perseph 50f

[tender anvil]

Not yet

The only aspects yet to get a 50 are Pan, Artemis and Persephone

[bleak night]

Pan and Artemis suck

[tender anvil]

Kinda funny with Pan now that I think about it, as the sentiment was that it’s the second strongest aspect behind Momus, during patch 1

[silent crow]

cant pan and artemis do it since the current 50f daggers is basically aspectless

no way the 50% backstab bonus matters that much

[bleak night]

It matters a fair bit if you're just spamming attacks

[tender anvil]

Probably, although it’s not quite at staff level as 50% backstab provides something

[bleak night]

like that was basically my origination damage since I wasn't running it

if I ran Origination I would not have gotten that Heroic Poseidon attack

[silent crow]

js luck harder smh

[bleak night]

true lol

[silent crow]

perseph seems possible now with the cast changes

[tender anvil]

All are possible I guess

Looking forward to the discourse switching towards 51+ no arcana runs

[tired fulcrum]

Zeus cast doesnt do that well against tons of dc enemies unless you have cyclones

[tender anvil]

Feel like 50 is not going to be the end all be all much longer

[tired fulcrum]

also it kinda sucks when enemies are spread all over the place

[tender anvil]

It’s kinda like that for all aspects - room rng (enemy types, enemy spread etc.) matter immensely

[silent crow]

well now theres other casts! js high roll hestia cast for the same dps as common zeus

[tired fulcrum]

Big rooms with spinners/hippos/anything ranged

[steel sequoia]

i dont think zeus is the best for persephone, maybe pos with zeus

[tired fulcrum]

Maybe the solution is just hera cast

[silent crow]

Anvil Ring

[steel sequoia]

nah, u wanna spam with persephone

[tired fulcrum]

I mean for other things

[civic ocean]

well you can play persephone a lot of diff ways now

[tired fulcrum]

Pos cast is only one instance of splash tho and then you have to wait 3 seconds to recast

[steel sequoia]

yeah, just dont get geyser spout with perfect image

[tired fulcrum]

I mean it sucks against dc hearts too

[steel sequoia]

Geyser Spout
Your Ω Cast immediately detonates, dealing damage and knocking foes away.

[silent crow]

50 damag int otal so food

[steel sequoia]

i think if you can stack things maybe its worth

[tired fulcrum]

Thats a t2 tho now so you aint seeing that for a while

[wind kettle]

what's the optimal way to build Charon for high fear?

[silent crow]

lucid gain start and play it at melee range iirc

[tired fulcrum]

Also still sucks against dc

[bronze bear]

apollo gain, usually any status special and status cast will do

[knotty fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1240383792884093038/1256337097875525793/image.png?ex=66806699&is=667f1519&hm=c4b2c418f2b8e95e443d02143bd753dd941e88499418a39a7e7855365342aecc& TF? I actually did it. not very proud to say that I lost I think 4 dds this run but anyways

[silent crow]

thoughts on dem magic regen

[steel sequoia]

im curious if you can make local climate works with geyser spout on persephone

[bleak night]

let's goooo

[silent crow]

gg ! does hearth gain work on moros blasts btw bc if so wtf

[tired fulcrum]

Like idk how needing 4 boons to get your cast running is viable for high fear you need base pos cast + geyser + lightning lance + cyclones

[steel sequoia]

lmao hippo still doing the most dmg

[knotty fulcrum]

I'm not 100% sure but I think it does. anyway you never run out of mana

[bronze bear]

works on reg atk+spec

[knotty fulcrum]

maybe I should record it now idk

[civic ocean]

beast

[steel sequoia]

i had a 30 mana pool with eos and never ran out of mana with it

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah you just never run out with hearth gain

also I started with hestia keepsake if anyone is wondering so it is very much doable with that start

[steel sequoia]

scorch is fine now so it helsp

[upper rune]

Fighting Chronos with Phase Shift (slow-mo hex) from Selene is hilarious now

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah maybe on cast or special on attack you would want a % boost (even tho I had blitz :))))

[steel sequoia]

its not good for 50F but at least is playable rn

old scorch was the worst

[knotty fulcrum]

what's the difference btw?

[next chasm]

What's the best aspect for torches 24f right now?

[magic moss]

ok im done with work and going to start the run again soon tm

[knotty fulcrum]

moros!!!

[magic moss]

ill can record but its gonna be missing all of erebus

i was just going to do some quick attempts before work and then i got a good run going and uh here we go ig

[steel sequoia]

it actually ticks and does some dmg

[bleak night]

Moros is for sure the best aspect in general

like, I'd say Moros > Charon > everything else

[steel sequoia]

charon that good? i really cant see it

[next chasm]

And how do you play with Moros? I tried it, but didn't quite get it

[knotty fulcrum]

kinda hard to now die to that enemy with a laser that rotates (forgot the name). but yeah for damage I think its best

[steel sequoia]

i really feel skulls and moros/eos are the best ones

[tired fulcrum]

Omega special > spam attack until omega special expires

[bleak night]

A lot of people are getting into it because the base damage is just really good from the getgo

[steel sequoia]

im a Charon fan

[next chasm]

Charon is great cuz it allows you to strike from other side of the map

[tired fulcrum]

Charon has fat damage from the get go, massive aoe and range

[knotty fulcrum]

not in the new patch tho since you kinda want to use lucid gain so you have to stay near the cast. still quite safe

[tall notch]

It's really good up to 45 fear and past that point Erebus becomes miserable 😭

[next chasm]

You can also use something else I think

[tired fulcrum]

Thats most things

[next chasm]

Ionic gain looks good

[steel sequoia]

super nova is so good on Charon

[tall notch]

Nah Eos 50f is fun trust me

[tired fulcrum]

Charon uses too much mana and arrogance screws it over

[knotty fulcrum]

you did 50f on the new eos? saw you in standings

[tall notch]

Yeah! Eos gaming 🙂

[knotty fulcrum]

gg. Ill have to check out the video don't really understand how to play eos

[tired fulcrum]

Not really since you blow up the cast almost immediately and charon slows the growth rate by half

[next chasm]

Whats the best build on Moros btw? What to aim for?

[tired fulcrum]

Practically you only get like a quarter of the listed growth size

[next chasm]

Oops accidental reply

[tired fulcrum]

Hestia gain, any good % attack, some special with an extra effect like dem/zeus/hera

[tired fulcrum]

Is the playstyle get the big guy out then spam special

[tall notch]

I was pretty much only specialling when running around and collecting revenants

[knotty fulcrum]

you could also try to get spiteful strength if you can but maybe don't go out of your way

[tall notch]

Or if I was too far from a boss to attack and my big guy was on it

[tired fulcrum]

So just spam attack with like huntress and static shock and stuff?

[tall notch]

No Huntress, you get Unseen so that you won't need a regen boon and click Hera attack so that hitch clears for you

Now that Daybreaker is smart and knows how to track things you can rely on it for damage a lot

[tired fulcrum]

Oh yeah since it doesnt channel it doesnt stop you from regening like reg torches makes sense

And big guy is cheap

[low bear]

honestly so many boons work, best for each slot is probably:

attack: Hera/Aphro
special: hera/dem/zeus or anything that applies a curse really
cast: Dem > and then anything that applies a curse
sprint: again anything that gives you a curse, dem/aphro/hera etc
gain: Hestia/Poseidon and then the others

you want 2 curses you can easily proc to get Origination going

hammer the best is clean candle by far, clean helix, triple helix, and the other attack buffing hammers are decent picks too

[tall notch]

https://i.imgur.com/UD34N67.png this is what my damage breakdown looked like in the 50f. You can also do the "get big guy out and then spam omega specials" way, but that requires more boon setup so it's less onion-friendly

[civic ocean]

doesn't the guy just do like crazy dmg

[knotty fulcrum]

clean candle > triple helix?

[tall notch]

Yeah it's 150 basic per pulse

[low bear]

did big guy tracking buff make it a lot better

[tall notch]

Yeah without the tracking buff you basically couldn't do single target because he'd hit a boss once and fly away. Now he sticks to the target

[low bear]

yes imo, clean candle helps so much with Mana and you have to stop omega attacking when your special runs out so cutting down the omega attack charge time extends your big damage uptime (when omega atk and special are active) by a lot

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah maybe Im just overrating triple helix probably not that many attacks remaing unexploded

[low bear]

yeah when you're dashing around you tend to hit the orbs that your special initially misses anyway

and Moros replaces the oldest ones too so it's really not an issue

[knotty fulcrum]

btw I tried your silver wheel strategy but ended up just starting with hestia seemed a bit easier

[low bear]

are you doing 50F too? Hestia is viable as well definitely I just didn't want to suffer through 2/3 rooms without a gain boon

[knotty fulcrum]

I did it already. took me like 6 runs tho it was a super lucky run

[low bear]

oh damn congrats!

[knotty fulcrum]

got like 4 kiss of styx :)) maybe 3 I don't remember

[tall notch]

My highest Moros was like 40f, I like safety so having to stay so close to enemies for damage scares me

[knotty fulcrum]

once I got coarse grit I didn;t even dodge anymore

[past salmon]

GM fellas Mynt is just cracked wtf Mel Blades 50F btw

[low bear]

it's not scary when enemies die in 0.3 seconds and even less so if you get arctic ring and freeze them

[civic ocean]

mel blades are cracked!

[tall notch]

He's got perma Mynt Condition fr

[civic ocean]

stab them in ze back

[random rover]

Is this interaction between Hephaestus Sprint and Axe Omega Attack known? You just dash and hold down sprint while omega attack goes off to charge up the blast.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/309508873897639938/1256340696139567215/Axe_Omega_Attack_Blast.mp4?ex=668069f3&is=667f1873&hm=cfabe7ff0146b9f8fabf47fe75c31860048a2c3d8855cc54899c665636451b17&

Not sure if intended, but I hope it is and wish the other mana costing sprints might work similarly

[silent crow]

yo waot

[low bear]

Wow that's a pretty cool tech, dunno if it's known but first I've seen it

[random rover]

I've known about it for awhile, I just didn't really think about it, y'know?

[silent crow]

could that work on other stuff

[bleak night]

Mint Condition bug got patched at least

[random rover]

Theoretically? I can try

[knotty fulcrum]

what bug?

[past salmon]

oh did u confirm it

[bleak night]

in fields it would last for a long time

[bleak night]

I think so. I did get Mint Condition at some point, but it's not something that I had perma at any point

[tender anvil]

It’s called Mynt condition

[past salmon]

oh cool yeh it wasnt perma for me either in my staff 50 so

[bleak night]

got fixed then ig, yeah

[knotty fulcrum]

did anyone make bloodline work well in a build? seems like it has some potential

[random rover]

Ok, so the conditions under which one might be able to charge blast while not sprinting would have to be:

• The move is charged, then released and dash canceled
• Then is active after the dash, while you hold sprint, without having to press additional buttons.

Any move that can fulfill these conditions should theoretically be able to do what's in the above video. I just can't think of any other than omega axe attack

[subtle ether]

what are the best boons for Thanatos Axe attack?

[random rover]

Hera, Aphrodite, and Apollo are all good

[knotty fulcrum]

I think apollo scales very good with rarity so try to get like an epic boon. but hera is best I think

[surreal hazel]

Apollo doesn't need rarity to get the best part of it

[knotty fulcrum]

aphro is good cause it's a water god so easier to get CG

[next chasm]

Bro I took blood line with torches while trying to get spiteful strength and it's the best worst thing

[surreal hazel]

Than axe strikes faster enough that Posideon and hestia are still valid options, oddly

[knotty fulcrum]

oh Idk about poseidon it does much more damage than the waves

[acoustic sphinx]

what'd they do to scorch that made it good? haven't played since new patch dropped and didn't read notes carefully

[surreal hazel]

but it's big splashes,

also Demeter is nice for buying time for your combo to actually come out

[steel sequoia]

they reworked some boons and fixed the dmg

[random rover]

Burns faster, increased base damage, actually good duo boons for it now, new boons in general.

[acoustic sphinx]

oh sick, sounds nice

[surreal hazel]

Damage is 80/sec rather than 40, more scorch is applied from strike and flourish, bunch of boons added and bad ones removed

[steel sequoia]

if you get Pyro Technique its awesome

[surreal hazel]

new hestia duos are lulzy

[steel sequoia]

yeah and duos are good now

[acoustic sphinx]

before I was literally only taking scorch on cast for the debuff so that's refreshing to see

glad they seem to have addressed its issues lol

[random rover]

Freezer burn is great with Hestia attack/ Demeter Cast or vice versa

[surreal hazel]

Elementary particles: + 1 of airearth fire and water.... oh and one infusion for each of those elements for free

Hera/Hestia

[steel sequoia]

Elementary Particles is so nice, they put some work for infusions

[acoustic sphinx]

wait so you get 4-5 infusions for one duo? that's sick

[random rover]

Lunar Ray + Scorch is also like an instant 2K Scorch

[surreal hazel]

Freezer burn is the new Fire extinguisher, and it's deals all of the remaining scorch damage at once if you freeze them... +200%

[random rover]

*once upgraded

[surreal hazel]

new legendary is actually really nice

[steel sequoia]

you gain all infusions for each element (4) and 4 elements to buff them, and everything you have scales up so its very strong looks like

[surreal hazel]

each lump of coals ticks damage on its own (doesn't do scorch), so if you run in a little circle you get a pile of death

[charred seal]

Just finished my first 32 fear, holy moly

[knotty fulcrum]

eos clang?

[charred seal]

Eos Clang.

[surreal hazel]

I've tried 4 times to get the haphestus legendary, still won't proc

[charred seal]

I got shafted by an artificer'd poseidon

[surreal hazel]

I wanna see than axe at level 6... I waaaannnna

[knotty fulcrum]

how do you get it at level 6? isn't it +1?

[charred seal]

What title/color even are lvl 6 aspects???

[surreal hazel]

Duo flavoured

[charred seal]

5 is max for aspects, so 5+1=6

[bleak night]

^ lime basically

[charred seal]

Oh fr??? That's cool

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah Im dumb I thought it was 3 for some reason

[charred seal]

clang Clang cl

[surreal hazel]

they also buffed level 6 weapons to make haphestus' legendary actually worth something

[knotty fulcrum]

btw I think your photos with aspect level 6 are wrong. I got heph legendary on eos and it was like 175

[surreal hazel]

and also some keepsakes at level 4

[bleak night]

Did that get changed ?

[steel sequoia]

i have to try that heph legendary sometime yeah, maybe persephone can be really good with it?

[bleak night]

What? That's a downgrade from 200, no?

[knotty fulcrum]

in your pic it was like 275 I think. let me check

[bleak night]

Did you f10 it? That's definitely not meant to weaken your weapon lmao

[knotty fulcrum]

.

[charred seal]

I love how wolf howl carries builds that have absolutely no business running wolf howl

[past salmon]

Eos got nerfed to 150 didnt it

[bleak night]

Wait it did ?

[knotty fulcrum]

oh the normal aspect is 150 I think yeah

[charred seal]

Yup

[bleak night]

Odd, maybe they changed that then. I'l delete those

[charred seal]

The patch notes did say that the lvl 6 aspects were further upgraded, no?

So I'd expect maybe ~200, 175 seems too low

[bleak night]

I'll probs just PonyMenu the new ones into a collage for the next one, I just have to reinstall it or something

In bed rn so I'l get to it another time

[charred seal]

What's src btw?

[low bear]

source, video link to your run I think

[charred seal]

Oh I see. GOD DAMN IT.

I'll have to do it again 😭😭😭

[surreal hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo4HQQWgy14 for some comedy with smithy sprint buffed all of the way to hell

[magic moss]

ok time to finish my daggers run

[charred seal]

Quick question

Does weaving in and out of range of aphro gain trigger her legendary over and over again?

[queen charm]

Momus is perfect for the death carc

[surreal hazel]

I think it has a cap on the total number of curses a single target has

so at best you replace any of the short ones that have expired

[charred seal]

That's a shame

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1256358792568766544/image.png?ex=66807ace&is=667f294e&hm=2e16a949076d5625992ce1f7243f0f8a16eae86d98eae1a7aff8142245d91120& ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[wintry wind]

what is most likely harder hades1 50h run or hades2 50f run

[past salmon]

50F

[wintry wind]

So hades1 50h run should be easier than 50f run?

[past salmon]

well yes
That is what that would imply

[crystal elm]

Yeah def. There’s a lot of stuff in the pact that is easily manageable

[knotty fulcrum]

what build is good for high heat in h1? kinda forgot about the game but I would like to play it again

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1256361041558765599/image.png?ex=66807ce6&is=667f2b66&hm=eee7d14e77b422f193329579a1383b356d9d899f4d920ff814fdbeacdaffce10& i am still in shock at the most egregious 112! ive ever been hit by

[next chasm]

For 50h you can just go with 64h strat and enable some stuff so you don't have to roll insanely I feel like

[wintry wind]

What would you say the equivalent of 50f to hades1 heat level?

[crystal elm]

Go to #h1-high-heat-strategies

[next chasm]

But for 50f you need to be insanely prepared

Moreso than for 50h

[prisma wind]

Which attack boon should i take for the Mel skull?

[next chasm]

Aphro/hera most likely

Aphro is my preferred option

[knotty fulcrum]

not sure about aphro you kinda want to be far away

[silent crow]

js play melee

[willow glen]

Haven't had much success with high fear so far but Charon, Momus and Pan worked best so far?

finally got 32f and it was pretty damn tough! I'm not playing the greatest but I also think I am not optimizing the fear and the cards properly

[next chasm]

If you can manage close range, aphro gives a bit stronger attack buff I believe

[next chasm]

You can post your fear and card setup here, experienced players will help you with optimizing

[magic moss]

ok i wasnt going to save state this run but holy hell my spawn rng is actually abysmal im debating about it

6 armored hippos into all spindles into 3 armored punchers

[steel sequoia]

this persephone is working pretty good ngl https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1256364419470987274/20240628184315_1.jpg?ex=6680800b&is=667f2e8b&hm=9b715d529ce044a8d69b4a8802b103437efd44017f73904aefae40d2ba4d63e7&

[willow glen]

Thanks, will do!

[dusty sapphire]

lucid gain geyser spout is the play for persephone

it's hard to line up but so good

[next chasm]

Wait I just realized

Is lucid gain and geyser spout = basically infinite omega casts?

[steel sequoia]

the run got better i finally got lucid gain and splash fount is actually good too

[cursive oyster]

yes

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1256366598680481812/20240629075210_1.jpg?ex=66808213&is=667f3093&hm=70c581edc2612e8b4523e1fb24f3ff26bea8c8051b54f67618405292f9fd55a9&
This run is on life support

[willow glen]

Doesn't look like I can share images in this server?

[brazen trench]

Does anyone know if hephaestus boons are considered good or bad? I cant make them work in a build but maybe im just bad :/

[past salmon]

Hepheastus core boons are pretty bad, tho they recently got a bit better
Hepheastus support boons are the best in the game

[willow glen]

the regenerating armor and the no knockback one I love

it's like athena boons only cooler

[silent crow]

you can make the core slot boons work by putting them in an offhand slot

like heph special on the attack based axes and the staff

[brazen trench]

hmm i see

[steel sequoia]

bruh im sad i missed beach ball but the cast spam was good https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1256369959563694121/20240628190322_1.jpg?ex=66808534&is=667f33b4&hm=263561c87dad96d37a668419e4b592c68bd81e08ffd3a4ba8b1f901f1fb696fe&

[cursive oyster]

post the image in a different server and copy media link, then paste it here

[willow glen]

https://i.ibb.co/Lz8Kpzx/1145350-2.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/bKLz1ZX/1145350-1.jpg

[steel sequoia]

if you make a 2s attack boon with vent for heph than its kinda good for staff or blades

[willow glen]

this is what I am running with Charon

I can't take more time, as I am not reliably fast enough and do like to have a bit of wiggle room at the end

[steel sequoia]

im running this arcana with every weap now https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1255581717100757033/20240626145258_1.jpg?ex=66804a18&is=667ef898&hm=76ca44de6b9a50e1627f31d33edf48028ad2db0906c4f6f05910159e000ef432&

[cursive oyster]

turn off suffering, it’s bad for 32f because it gets much worse than blood the better you play (getting hit once per encounter essentially makes you take 4x damage the whole run)
don’t be afraid to turn on dominance (+10/20/30% enemy hp), it’s much more manageable than it sounds even on boss fights in my opinion.
also use at least 2 levels of blood, and drop the onion, it makes erebus incredibly frustrating in my opinion

[willow glen]

onion is fine by me, I will look into adding more enemy hp because with the builds I am running it doesn't matter that much

and yeah suffering is horrible

[steel sequoia]

onion, rebuke and revenants are the pain

[willow glen]

those damned purple spinny things hit for 40 or something

I hate them so much

[cursive oyster]

i think the trident guys are the only tolerable oceanus enemy

even wet wastrels are a huge pain with blood and suffering in erebus

[willow glen]

oh those pegasi things

Those are bad if I don't remember to orbit around

[past salmon]

Onion is definitely not fine 😭
There is a big difference between getting lucid gain room 1 and lucid gain room 5

[willow glen]

but the spinnies get my hate

[cursive oyster]

the spindles’ only redeeming quality is that they make the yippee noise when they attacks

[willow glen]

another most hated is the punchy boys

I'm sorry I've never opened the bestiary so I don't know their names :V

[cursive oyster]

the punchy guys (mourners?) are fine by me now but i despise the lamia snake guys

ooh and holehearts

[civic ocean]

the punchy guys are Mudamudas

[silent crow]

im ok with holehearts

[civic ocean]

they're kinda ass to fight

[silent crow]

i hate the boulders sm tho

[silent crow]

i mean its pretty simple u js go behind them

[cursive oyster]

oh god why’d you remind me

[willow glen]

yeah for me it's just the punchies that annoy me. Maaaybe the werewolf that can easily get out of the cast

[willow glen]

not so easy when you charge specials 🥹

[civic ocean]

problem is the stuff they throw stay on le ground

[silent crow]

there is a lot of ground in the fields

[willow glen]

those are annoying but not that bad?

[silent crow]

i hate the weird spinny tree guys in oceanus

[willow glen]

I think all enemies that get out of cast for whatever arcane reasons break the flow

[cursive oyster]

the lamia are fine until you have them with fury 2, blood 3, and suffering 2, a random bawlder wrecked your heph armor for the room, and there are three lamia casts following you around and you’re gonna get hit for 80 damage if one catches up with you

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1256374481253961858/image.png?ex=6680896a&is=667f37ea&hm=e4ed86666046d418b5f085a37883dde3cd5f79a7e47b110e914e044bd349bd6d& so uh

[civic ocean]

sea serpents are the worst

[magic moss]

i have negative damage but i have veneer and 280 max health

[willow glen]

ooooh sea serpents

[cursive oyster]

good luck don’t die to timer

[magic moss]

hm

[willow glen]

they can be really bad or really meh depending on build. I like that charon allows you to nuke stuff from orbit

[silent crow]

storm ring carry

[willow glen]

if you get a -special time buff it's great

they can't do anything as you can special charge and get out

[cursive oyster]

i don’t see a lot of crab hate in this server and it baffles me

[silent crow]

oh crabs suck ya

[willow glen]

eeeh

[civic ocean]

I stg the crabs have been nerfed

[willow glen]

crabs are ez. They have bad range and you can get them with most omegas

[past salmon]

honestly
They cant drop revs
So
I kinda dont hate them

[civic ocean]

Oh fr

[summer seal]

Other than Zues for storm ring, what gods pair well with Charon?

[cursive oyster]

they really like to go into their shell just before any omega moves hit them

[willow glen]

hera for mana

[past salmon]

just click apollo storm ring isnt good

do lucid gain, apollo special and then get like hera cast

[civic ocean]

what is the best cast for charon now actually is it like Demeter

[willow glen]

hera special and apolo cast worked well for me

[magic moss]

i have 2 minutes for 2 chambers and chronos its doomed

[willow glen]

ninjad, the reverse of this :V

[cursive oyster]

o7

[past salmon]

?

[civic ocean]

I guess I gotta go big time pushing fear once I get these new controls figured out

[willow glen]

oh I tend to do hera special instead of cast, and apollo cast instead of special. Special has so much aoe it hitches everyone

and apollo cast dazes, I'm not sure if the special does that

[past salmon]

yeh but ur cast just hitches everything and then Apollo is better for damage
Apollo special can hit 3x

[willow glen]

huh I'll try it

can you make it daze though?

if not I'll have to get demeter sprint or something

[past salmon]

no but like
Just get second curse on sprint or smth

[willow glen]

yeah I'll try that

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1256376231520239767/image.png?ex=66808b0b&is=667f398b&hm=1f9c62772722c3340ce3782b9131e7000f4bb66d62f43aa49d4f64af69c10818& is it winnable chat

[willow glen]

thanks! (I don't read patch notes!)

[magic moss]

legit the play is just try to beat the timer

[summer seal]

Will give it a shot! Need to figure out an Arcana setup now. Clearing the testaments for axe, at 16 fear RN

[silent crow]

yes i believe

[willow glen]

you can dooo itttt

[regal tundra]

Just pause the game during the fight. That works, right?

[willow glen]

do you get 10 secs invuln from Moros if you run out of time and health?

[silent crow]

yes but it probably wont do much

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1256377629490020412/image.png?ex=66808c59&is=667f3ad9&hm=9d3a1b4d82d08d4a2285f0cc38947d8fd269f8fff8b79b9fb32d3b36be2d59d7& HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT HOLY SHT @past salmon @silent crow

I AM ACTUALLY SHAKKING AND AND HYPERVENTILATING

[silent crow]

gge z

[past salmon]

just a LITTLE OVER TIME LMAO

[magic moss]

MY HANDS ARE NUMB

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1256378057439186985/image.png?ex=66808cbf&is=667f3b3f&hm=fd79ba1767712b1f6bf6ad0126e087375b34fa090771afe7382a91bc80f8c370& THATS WORLDS 2ND BLADES 50F CLEAR

GOING OVER A FULL MINUTE OVERTIME BABY LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[steel sequoia]

clutchy

im surprised you have 13 mana and no gain

[magic moss]

this is a manaless build

[forest hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936359276119736443/1256378241158217759/image.png?ex=66808ceb&is=667f3b6b&hm=9587e300933815fde8ec4c797dc1e83ce971f53875d126992484062bae1747f8&
Any thoughts on how to abuse this pre-patch arcana bug?

[silent crow]

aspect of artemis is so good

[magic moss]

funnily enough i used absolutely nothing from artemis

[forest hinge]

Also, is Artificer good? I've never actually tried it

[tired fulcrum]

I mean you cant move anything

[silent crow]

aspect of artemis is so good

[magic moss]

if anything if i could change aspects i would go mel but yeah artemis is amazing

[silent crow]

hail storm gaming

[willow glen]

HELL YEAH!

[magic moss]

@bleak night I WENT OVER A MINUTE OVERTIME AND STILL CLEARED LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BLADES ARE SO A.SS

NEVER TOUCHING THIS ASPECT AGAIN

[plain fossil]

Gz on comedy clear

90 seconds overtime lmao

[magic moss]

how much damage does overtime do like 5 per half second or is it 5 per second

[plain fossil]

5/s

[magic moss]

i took 450 damage from overtime LMFAO

[plain fossil]

So u took 450 or so from it

[limpid coral]

dam wonder why timer isn't shown in the damage taken section

[plain fossil]

Who else got a 50f blades cleae btw

[magic moss]

me and mynt and thats it iirc

[plain fossil]

Did someone do it while i was asleep

[magic moss]

mynt did one earlier today

[plain fossil]

Icic

[magic moss]

previous record i think was a 48 seeded artemis

[plain fossil]

Yours unseeded?

Thats p impressive ngl blades is asscrack

[magic moss]

it is and im giga salty about it for a funny reason

cuz i started this run this morning before i went to work just as a why not go for some attempts with the build i cooked up

and then i cleared erebus with a pretty god run and so left it there and went

[plain fossil]

Oh u didnt record?

[magic moss]

nope

i did record chronos fight tho

[plain fossil]

Yay

[silent crow]

now pan needs a clear

[magic moss]

but anyway so while i was gone mynt went and cleared blades BEFORE ME and when i came back i finished this run and won

[past salmon]

I've been trying 💀
This aspect cannot the 50F

[magic moss]

unironically the play is just ignore the special and just build atk blades on pan

[plain fossil]

Na dw if u didnt take a break u woulda thrown

[silent crow]

flick kniv es meya

[magic moss]

thats what i did for my artemis run

[past salmon]

probs but ehhhhh

I have 2 rlly close runs with mel blades which is funny

[silent crow]

judt like chiron

[plain fossil]

I think its time to accept that pan sucks at high fear sir

[silent crow]

no! it cant he bad! its jsut like chirin !

[plain fossil]

Its probably still better than mana momus lmao ive been slamming my head into 48 mana momus for two days and got nowhere

Theres been a couple runs where i was like u know if i just ignored mana and clicked mirrored thrasher id probably win this lmao

[past salmon]

I might just go storm ring hailstorm for pan lmao
This is my tried and true who cares about weapon and aspect build

[plain fossil]

Hailstorm is rly good hey

[past salmon]

I think boreal could work at 50F too actually

[plain fossil]

I didnt try it yet i see all these ppl crushing heads tho

I need to play aspects that dont suck lul

[silent crow]

what about omega special spam mel staff

[civic ocean]

is that the duo with apollo and dem

[plain fossil]

Spent too much time stuck in erebus since the patch

[silent crow]

you should play that its really fun and cool especially with tranquil gain

[past salmon]

yeh

[civic ocean]

yeah that duo is bananas

[steel sequoia]

hail storm is zeus+dem

[civic ocean]

the tornados deal HOW MUCH

[plain fossil]

theyre talking about the one that replaced the scaling omega cast duo

It makes tornados

[steel sequoia]

Boreal Gust is apollo dem, looks weird

[past salmon]

its strong
High dps

[steel sequoia]

try the rainbow for pan https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1256312463972892822/20240628151441_1.jpg?ex=66804fa8&is=667efe28&hm=203f89610e9d6a83a31c3f0ae0614cdf3932f8f5e117ebdc490d30fa4e96df92&

[civic ocean]

very strong considering it costs 0 mana and has permanent uptime nearly

[magic moss]

https://youtu.be/gRvplzS-dHY

[forest hinge]

I haven't played much since the patch dropped, I'm used to prio Born Gain, but idk what to prio now for mana

[plain fossil]

U can see the benefit of the infusions here

[civic ocean]

like any of em

[plain fossil]

Attack blades is horrible so u need to unga bunga to beat timer

[magic moss]

dude i had common pos atk no pom

well 1 pom

[plain fossil]

Which means eating a ton of damage and getting coarse grit to bail u out

[magic moss]

oh you know it baby

[plain fossil]

Its build dependent now

[magic moss]

god i love this build

unironically tartarus clutched out the build entirely