#h2-builds-and-combat

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bleak night
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I did Ray and it was worth carrying around and then Moon Beam keepsake 3

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not always going to be that way, of course, but it's worth the gamble because it otherwise doubles your damage output

robust prism
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how much does eclipse cost now

bleak night
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90, but you can't charge it up during the 4 secs before it drops

robust prism
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oh wow that still seems incredibly good though

bleak night
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if you have Giga Cleaver then you'd have little downtime on it all the same

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plus three out of four Brights (the blue upgrades) are good on it

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so you will 100% always have something you want to aim for when you have Total Eclipse. You still kinda prefer the Invuln one, but the +30% damage to targets under it and -80% speed ones are good

bronze bear
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wolf howl's 1s impervious seems to run out before I can fully charge my axe special

robust prism
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what are the best hexes over all atm?

bronze bear
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but it only costs 40 magick so can't complain

bleak night
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Phase Shift especially because it just affects Chronos now + it slows the Moros countdown when Pin is active

bronze bear
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phase shift slows moros wow

robust prism
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woah sick

bleak night
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Yeah, it feels like it counts down at half the speed

past salmon
bronze bear
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though not unexpected since omegas time slow affects it too

bleak night
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Pin got buffs rn

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If you kill Chronos phase 1 during Pin, it accepts it as a won encounter

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so your dd remains intact

past salmon
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ok bro Lurkers need to stop attacking me from offscreen

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like im 19 miles away from you why are you swinging

bleak night
tall notch
bleak night
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Still a lovely change

robust prism
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damn I turned dominance 3 on and scorch lowkey seems to melt things now?

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does anyone know how it interacts with air quality now

bleak night
bronze bear
bleak night
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I'm surprised you only take 64, it's usually 112

bronze bear
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it's 112 on the stab

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but when I block stab and they pull it back, 64

bleak night
bronze bear
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that is some damage

robust prism
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holy

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btw the new hera hestia duo kinda seems op as hell

bleak night
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This run was dumb because I spent an extra minute fighting Chronos because I kept running out of mana because Lucid Gain range isn't something I'm entirely used to yet

bronze bear
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you using apollo's cast?

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I assume with cyclone?

bleak night
robust prism
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am I high or does oceanus feel way longer than before??

bleak night
robust prism
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maybe

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but damn cerberus really got harder huh

hollow stag
bleak night
tender anvil
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it does not, afaik

crimson canopy
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is there a way to stop a 0 grasp boon from proccing, my epic upgrade one is on and i want to turn it off because of the fear

robust prism
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I just rerolled a tartarus reward door a bunch of times and it just kept going back and forth between gold and healing for some reason?

crimson canopy
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but because of the position of stuff, i lose something i really want if i purposlely turn off its activation thing

robust prism
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since when can healing even be a reward

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btw does death proc for charon since it's kinda like you're alternating between omega special and omega cast?

cursive gate
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Is charon just screwed if you dont get prominence flare right of the bat? Are there other omega casts that feel good with this aspect?

past salmon
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Prominence flare is actually kinda bad for Charon

cursive gate
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Oh?

past salmon
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just rely on special and regular cast damage

bleak night
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Gotta watch Cold's as well

cursive gate
bronze bear
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man I can never clear erebus unless I get 3 rooms with frozen time

bleak night
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That's generally how it goes, yeah

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5 mins is too tight for a 13 location region, so you need to rely on rng

bronze bear
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basically counting on art/nem/chaos to appear

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usually I only get arachne + shop

bleak night
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You even have to have a berth of at least 50 seconds for Hecate

bronze bear
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yeah the extra room usually makes the difference between me making it there with 50s or with 10 seconds lol

bleak night
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You'll get it eventually dw. Have you tried with Mel Axe btw? I seem to have better clear times with Mel Axe compared to Than and Charon

bronze bear
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not yet, I don't think I'm ready for melee axe, my few attempts with than axe didn't go well

bleak night
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I'll upload my 3 new vids when I get home, I had some fun builds on them

bronze bear
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I mean it's not completely impossible but I end up taking 5:40 and only have 1 dd left when I start oceans lmao

split igloo
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Can we not post pics in here?

steel sequoia
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FAQ: need a own discord serve and copy the link here or host in something like imgur and paste the link

split igloo
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I call it machine gun melly, scorch go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

steel sequoia
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hot flash is looking good?

split igloo
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Hot flash is looking disgusting

steel sequoia
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which is kinda broken too i just dashed everything

spare kite
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Oh yeah does the old solar ring boon still prevents pkacing down another cast while is doing its thing?

steel sequoia
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i think yes, which is legit bc with persephone would be busted

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spamming casts with the new ring would be nuts

spare kite
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Makes sense

fervent narwhal
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if i have setup that gives me 6 rerolls instead of 10 can i still use all those on boons or am i forced to use 3 on doors and 3 on boons?

tender anvil
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can use however you like

steel sequoia
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yeah the 6 are open, i think im using it now

tender anvil
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as long as you have 6. if you go down to 3, those 3 are on the reroll type on the arcana card that's providing them

steel sequoia
fervent narwhal
tall notch
fervent narwhal
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ye but that cast damage tho

spare kite
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Is this for charon?

tall notch
tall notch
spare kite
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I'd skip the cast dmg then tbh

fervent narwhal
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@spare kite

spare kite
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?

fervent narwhal
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pressed enter to quickly

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my keyboard is very sensitive.. or i made it sensitive but anyways

tall notch
fervent narwhal
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i enjoy finding and running an arcana setup that fits for most builds so ill use this setup with charon sometime but even if i dont i use cast constantly and with huntress i might aswell get used to using the omega cast instead of normal cast but it does feel slow sometimes

spare kite
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I only use cast power for momus/charon

fervent narwhal
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@tall notch yes, the razer huntsman series.. love it so much, its not to sensitive because then the button press on their own but i love being able to change that so much

spare kite
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I like that arcana is much more swappable around lol

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Especially now with the shuffle

fervent narwhal
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but sometimes my fingers slip and i press enter to much

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@spare kite ye its nice, i just hate swapping them so even if they add a preset option i wont use it

spare kite
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Not even for the rerolls but I feel so poor w/o it lmfao

fervent narwhal
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ye same, i havent done a run yet with that setup i sent but the thought of doing runs without boatman sucks

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i saw someone yesterday that questioned on why i had the boatman instead of the unseen.. i didnt really argue against it since i hadnt read patch notes at that time so i assumed hex were better and all that but now im just looking at the new gain boons and i still see no reason to ever use the unseen after the buff

split igloo
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@bleak night is solar ring still optimal for Charon after the changes?

tall notch
knotty fulcrum
fervent narwhal
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@split igloo the old solar ring still exists.. its called prominence flare.. unless i remember it wrong

split igloo
bleak night
split igloo
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So storm ring?

cursive oyster
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arctic ring

past salmon
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stormr ing does nothing

cursive oyster
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arctic ring was half of origination and also got you halfway to torrential downpour

bleak night
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Usually you just want Origination on it, so Smolder Ring, Rapture Ring, new Solar Ring and Engagement Ring are good options on it. Arctic Ring is god-tier, but you may need to pigeonhole yourself into getting Passion Dash or putting a status curse on your Omega Special, since you can't get Origination with Freeze + Cyclone anymore

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I've been preferring to go something other than Arctic Ring if I can help it, then just run Gale Force together with whatever I have

cursive oyster
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sadly torrential downpour no longer exists

bleak night
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Apollo Special is just the best Special to use on it by far

knotty fulcrum
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but how do you get origination with apollo special. now that it has to be effects from different gods

spare kite
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New hera cast also seems fun

bleak night
knotty fulcrum
bleak night
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it's why I don't run Arctic Ring anymore unless it's offered to me and I have no rerolls left to fish for Gale Force

cursive oyster
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applies hitch on spawn and doesn’t last ten years anymore

spare kite
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It also applies hitch to enemies in the cast iirc

tall notch
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@bleak night which keepsake do you start with on Charon rn?

bleak night
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You can whirl in the earlier stages with the small mana pool you have

tall notch
past salmon
bleak night
# tall notch Just for the range?

so you can get Lucid Gain asap, though you may need to adjust your playstyle. I have a lot of times where I just run out of mana because I overestimate the range of the cast when it explodes

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I have a Chronos fight in 50F where I waste a full minute because I just forget to be inside the cast when I blow it up

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also ngl, you can manage without a Special on Charon

high narwhal
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Thoughts on the new Glamour Gain? Paired with Island Getaway seems crazy. I saw a build on Reddit which paired it with Hot Flash and all that feels too good. Duos are much more common now

bleak night
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I may need to try this wtf

tender anvil
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that plus the legendary seems crazy

cursive oyster
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that plus anything is crazy

high narwhal
fervent narwhal
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but getting all that might be hard? glamour gain isnt a requirement for island getaway

bleak night
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Just do a low fear run for the sake of testing ig, full rerolls + artificer

fervent narwhal
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maybe its easy on the surface? or atleast when they extend it

bleak night
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I wanna try that rn but I'm not at home Cri

knotty fulcrum
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I think hestia gain should work really well with torches did anyone try it?

tall notch
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And not caring about regen boons

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Hestia gain gonna be amazing for Moros though

knotty fulcrum
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yeah I was thinking more about moros. I guess Ill give it a try later

tall notch
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Yeah you send an omega special and regain all your mana with the attacks right after

knotty fulcrum
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I think the explosions should also give you mana since they count as normal attacks

split igloo
knotty fulcrum
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how tf did scorch do so much

split igloo
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Oh mb you said Hestia gain I can't read (I have tried it though and it's great)

split igloo
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So the scorch stacks never deplete ever lmao. I think at one point I had nearly 40 percent of chronos hp white'd out

knotty fulcrum
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damn. Ill have to look at some of these duos they seem op

split igloo
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The new Demeter / Hestia is disgusting also, haven't had chance to get a good roll on it yet though

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I imagine they work really well on pan daggers too with Hestia gain

knotty fulcrum
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yeah that one Ive tried already and it's super good

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my run was staff with scorch attack and dem cast

carmine lagoon
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How would Demeter/Hestia Duo work with Hot Flash? Infinite damage lol?

bronze bear
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But Chronos wipes scorch stacks whenever he goes into invulnerability

cursive gate
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Yeah and when he teleports right?

bronze bear
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Teleports is invulnerability right

spare kite
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Teleport is the "dude I beg you stop running around"

bronze bear
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I don't recall if he does teleports where he's not shielded

split igloo
spare kite
cursive gate
spare kite
split igloo
cursive gate
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Imagine if he didn't teleport though, you could theoretically one shot him

carmine lagoon
bleak night
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@solemn loom Hiya, is it alright if I submit one of Foolish's runs since he's already off of his PC ?

past salmon
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I have agreed to this ^

knotty fulcrum
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bro that chronos kill on the 50f charon was kinda crazy. Im not sure how you didn't take damage in the second faze you had some invicibility for some reason

bronze bear
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which 50f charon do you mean, there's gotta be dozens of them

knotty fulcrum
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foolish's

past salmon
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There's like 3 and 2 of them are Mynts 💀

knotty fulcrum
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damn mynt did 2? 1 on the new patch already?

past salmon
bronze bear
knotty fulcrum
past salmon
bronze bear
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still nutty

past salmon
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Lol I even made a post in here before the fight
Something like "no hp, no DDs and a dream"

knotty fulcrum
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what are the best hexes right now btw? I heard people talking about phase shift is that the one that transforms enemies in sheeps?

bronze bear
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I think lucid gain might even be better than pre-nerf born gain, you can get away with taking duos since you only really need 2-3 specials worth of magick bar

bleak night
past salmon
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With old born gain you could sit 900 metres away from everything with lightning lance

bronze bear
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yeah I have to play into it now

plain fossil
bleak night
plain fossil
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However new storm ring gives u the same playstyle and u dont even need any mana

bleak night
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one 30 minutes after patch drop, another so I can have it on record

past salmon
bleak night
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Lucid is much better, but you really need to watch your mana pool

past salmon
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It's also just less safe ig

plain fossil
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Born gain is kinda not good anymore

bleak night
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that way you know when to jump into your own cast

bleak night
bronze bear
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why, is new storm ring useful for charon?

plain fossil
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I tried it on momus and i rly hated it

bleak night
plain fossil
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Im not sure if momus even has a good gain anymore

bleak night
plain fossil
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I tried zeus gain u actually have to interact with it and the game's object detection is fking bad

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If the thing spawns next to a door u have to stand in the right place or it goes NO FK U U CANT LEAVE THE ZONE ENEMIES ARE NEAR

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And ur like yes i know enemies are near theyre jamming their weapons up my ass while i try and get my mana back

bronze bear
plain fossil
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Its probably better than old zeus gain but its really intensely unfun to play with

bleak night
# bronze bear 3 runs?

I did one for each Axe, was pretty good rng since the entire session only took me about 2 hours and 15 mins

plain fossil
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It reminds me of wow raiding 20 years ago yelling at people to click the lightwell

bleak night
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I had a Than run with 45% dodge rate

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it was funny to just not get hit by a lot of things, but the instakills kept hitting me lol

plain fossil
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I like aph a lot more now

bronze bear
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can pos double up selene?

bleak night
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Aph is a lot more enticing than Hera attack now because you can just get Hitch Ring and have Hitch + Aphrodite damage

plain fossil
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Hitch ring is so good ngl

bleak night
plain fossil
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All the new rings are pretty good

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They decided arctic ring was baseline balance

cursive gate
bronze bear
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i imgur

bleak night
cursive gate
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oh lol message links get around that? that's nice

bleak night
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Not message links, gotta copy the media link itself

bronze bear
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rarifying apollo's cast beyond epic is a mistake

bleak night
cursive gate
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cool thanks

bronze bear
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I couldn't resist but the 125 magick regen is totally useless when your max magick is 55 and you can't even get off your first omega special each room lmao

bleak night
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true, yeah. I find that 75 or 100 is enough, then I'd rather pom something else

past salmon
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Honestly if I'm not getting locked out of special I just won't rarify gain

robust prism
# plain fossil Born gain is kinda not good anymore

eh I think it's still very good just a bit more situational. like yeah if you're spending like 50 magic every couple of seconds and don't have a lot of max magic then it's probably not the way to go anymore

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which makes it more interesting

bleak night
bronze bear
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yeah I like it rare at least

cursive gate
spare kite
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@warm junco skulls do that already

bleak night
tribal wedge
spare kite
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He feels faster

past salmon
bronze bear
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he hits me more now

bleak night
bronze bear
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he does the 8hit more now imo

warm junco
spare kite
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That idk, I wanna guess 10~ seconds?

bleak night
bronze bear
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have u tried cancelling and reuploading again

last cape
bleak night
split igloo
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@bleak night have you contemplated streaming a 50 run in a disc server so people can see

last cape
bleak night
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I just record them for the most part though, so kinda the same I suppose

split igloo
bleak night
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Speedrunner discord is the only other Hades discord, and not everyone here is in there so

bronze bear
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3 hippos in 2 waves at room 3 should be illegal

bleak night
bronze bear
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... turns out it's possible in room 2 as well

bleak night
cloud scarab
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Chronos didn't get a hit in

arctic cosmos
limpid coral
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real

arctic cosmos
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uhhhhh, so I was testing out the white antler rework

bleak night
limpid coral
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i assume that will say 1 lul

arctic cosmos
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probably, Imma do it for science

cloud scarab
bronze bear
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anyone knows if boreal gust requires you to stand still like tranquil gain? "while u stand in cyclone, fire gales"

bleak night
bronze bear
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oh good

arctic cosmos
bleak night
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I already submitted it for him, ty for the response!

limpid coral
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interesting

bleak night
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I will be submitting 3 runs once my videos are up

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had a really successful 50 fear spam session for the Axes

cloud scarab
knotty fulcrum
limpid coral
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depends on what u wanna do with the hex idk

bleak night
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oh it's no problem, I didn't use the new boons for the most part. Did you need help getting them though ?

cloud scarab
bleak night
knotty fulcrum
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phase shift doesn't slow down timer I assume

limpid coral
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if it sounds good you can probably click it and have a good time

bleak night
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like, on which weap aspect

cloud scarab
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but probably the best one especially if you are struggling is Moon Water (the one that can heal you) and then unlock the step that lets you stack regens of it at Fountains to rock up to Chronos with a lot of healing

knotty fulcrum
bronze bear
limpid coral
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like idk man do you want something that makes crowded rooms easier do you want something for a specific boss do you want to clear faster

knotty fulcrum
bleak night
bronze bear
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oh, I thought total eclipse was used primarily for the impervious lol

bleak night
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Oh, I see. Sorry about that then

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ty for updating even on a trip though Heart

knotty fulcrum
bleak night
knotty fulcrum
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also did you try aphro dem poseidon? Im thinking that should be the meta now

bleak night
limpid coral
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just think about the rooms that you hate the most and think how would this perform in that sort of room, it's not too hard to choose a hex if you just do that

bronze bear
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I hate room 3 shellbacks the most

limpid coral
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unlucky

bleak night
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I can send some when the dataminers get to the icons

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can't zoom into that for some reason, huh

proper shell
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What way do you dodge for Cerberus slam attacks? I dash out and the aftershock hits me, I dash inwards and the paw hits me, I try running away and the aftershock still hits me. I'm not sure I'm not just timing it right but unless I happen to be far enough away, I can't consistently dodge it

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I can beat him, but that attack puts a dent in my resources

bleak night
limpid coral
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i don't think the paw itself has a hitbox?

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since its a shockwave its prolly best to dash through it

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sometimes if i dash behind cerb it still gets me

bleak night
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you guys cool if I post a wall of images ?

timber pawn
bleak night
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I've sent it to you already iirc

timber pawn
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Ah, ya I imagine people would be curious

limpid coral
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i don't see why people would object

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yo how did you get these?

bleak night
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Fine Tuning

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since they buffed the Heph legendary

limpid coral
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no like it looks like u gave yourself the boon in the crossroads

bleak night
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PonyMenu can help you with that if you wanna test boons

limpid coral
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oo there is a console mod

arctic cosmos
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okay, Ive done 7 runs since patch 3 and have seen ONE infusion, that being from hermes, am I just getting super unlucky or did their appearance rate get nerfed drastically?

bleak night
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kinda

knotty fulcrum
limpid coral
bleak night
limpid coral
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like wtf is momus LOL thats insane

bleak night
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like, barely any difference except for Momus

knotty fulcrum
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Ig they just buffed the upgrade of the aspects?

bleak night
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the scaling on it, seems like

limpid coral
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maan the blades suck as usual

bleak night
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standouts for me are Momus, Moros, Charon

limpid coral
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but like the torches are going in, staff is going in, skulls are going in

bleak night
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honestly Mel Skull also goes hard

limpid coral
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oh does the charon +size affect where you can stand for lucid gain?

bleak night
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haven't tried, I just don't really want a legendary on Charon since that primes 40 of my mana lol

limpid coral
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fair lol

robust prism
knotty fulcrum
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Im not sure I understand when freezer burn triggers. the old freeze has to wear of like from above enemies head?

bleak night
robust prism
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oh swift runner instead of messenger?

bleak night
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pretty much the same, just if you want swift runner, so yeah

bleak night
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Charon barely really needs rarity on damage since your base goes hard and you only want Orig

robust prism
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yeah I think I'll stick with messenger

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thanks

bleak night
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ye sure

tender anvil
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is mana regen viable instead of origination?

knotty fulcrum
bleak night
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My patch 3 50f runs are up, finally

tender anvil
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seeing as mana regen can help with Erebus

knotty fulcrum
robust prism
tender anvil
robust prism
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missing out on +50% damage is just rough

bronze bear
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when i screw up as apollo i just dance around my regular cast lmao

tender anvil
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I mean, it might hurt on Chronos, true. Bit it's kind of a tossup, with how much easier Erebus can be

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like, you have to get a gain room 3, otherwise timer is toast

tender anvil
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skill issue for me I guess. Altogether it seems like 50F is not as tight anymore, so it's whatever increment gets the job done.

bleak night
knotty fulcrum
bleak night
knotty fulcrum
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what special should I go for in oceanus? ( I blocked apollo special)

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I assume hera is still quite good

bleak night
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probs go Zeus

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Lightning Lance is still good because you still have the option to plant it on your feet for Lucid Gain

knotty fulcrum
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ah and for origination what should I try?

bleak night
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what did you get from Dem

knotty fulcrum
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cast

bleak night
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oh rip, I try to get Gale Force from her then get Apollo's Daze cast

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you can probs make do with Blitz Special though, honestly

knotty fulcrum
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yeah that would've been better

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ok thanks Ill go for zeus

bronze bear
limpid coral
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hm i wonder how the timing works out with blitz on special

knotty fulcrum
limpid coral
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like, special hits once and applies blitz, then the cast explodes and activates it, but since the animation takes some time the status is still there and puts origination on the cast damage

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is what i'd expect?

bleak night
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it's better than Howling and Glowing in that regard, since you have full contrl over it

limpid coral
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with howling soul you have to shoot a wall 😔

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i ran into that once in a skulls room, had to stand next to a wall if i wanted to use arctic ring for safety

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how does glowing coal targeting work on controller?

bleak night
limpid coral
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like can you still aim next to yourself

robust prism
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does anyone know if death procs when you use an omega move for the first time in a room or not

bleak night
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You can, yeah

limpid coral
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nice

bleak night
robust prism
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I figured as much, I wasn't going to either

limpid coral
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holy moly smithy sprint build

robust prism
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more of a general question, it could make a difference with certain weapons

limpid coral
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is this real i want to see a 47 or 50 clear with it

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its like cyclone sprint air quality but big bonk

hollow crypt
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I love Grand Caldera the big CLANG makes me co-

tired fulcrum
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you time the dodge so you dodge like exactly as he spreads his arms out, its pretty tight like I prob get it 2/3 times or 3/4 times need to practice some more

hollow crypt
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also Anvil Ring buff is so nice, it gets so big with Supernova now

bleak night
limpid coral
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rn anvil ring seems like worse storm ring

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not sure what sets them apart

hollow crypt
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Storm Ring is good, but the CLANG CLANG CLANG is pure dopamine

tired fulcrum
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well anvil has aoe

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but yeah storm ring melts

robust prism
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maybe anvil ring should actually just increase cast size

hollow crypt
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maybe it increases in size per CLANG would be nice

stoic ridge
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new hera cast is fun to use

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its sooo much better than before

bleak night
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Yeah, it really is

stoic ridge
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hera cast can instantly kill the witches in hecate fight too

bleak night
stoic ridge
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yea I think i got epic

knotty fulcrum
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ok charon is op or smth idk what changed I did 40f without losing a dd and no damage to chronos

haughty panther
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ok at least it is confirmed on a recent test that island getaway and glamour gain rn is just ~-45% dmg taken

pallid garden
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does anyone know how Breath of Eros interacts with Vow of Suffering?

haughty panther
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the general issue with this combo is that glamour gain is not a prereq of island getaway

knotty fulcrum
bronze bear
tired fulcrum
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shouldnt it be scars that prevents the healing

knotty fulcrum
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I assumed that he just mixed them and he was talking about scars

pallid garden
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No I meant suffering, +100% damage on your first hit

knotty fulcrum
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ok than my bad

pallid garden
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I'm assuming instead of taking +100% damage you heal the base damage and it maybe negates the first hit penalty one time?

tired fulcrum
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I mean the interaction between suffering is also good to know. I dont think it eats the crit, at least thats what I heard for soft caress

haughty panther
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it should be the same code so I think what applies to soft caress applies here

knotty fulcrum
#

can someone recommand some builds with the new boons? not sure what to try next

haughty panther
steel sequoia
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if attack goes hestia/hera, if special go zeus/poseidon

tired fulcrum
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If you want to flashbang yourself then run storm ring + cyclones and the dem/zeus duo and dem/apollo duo

knotty fulcrum
knotty fulcrum
tired fulcrum
haughty panther
knotty fulcrum
bleak night
knotty fulcrum
bleak night
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You can't with Weak + Charm either iirc, but that's a more niche one. It's mostly to nerf Dem

spare kite
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Did charm ever counted for origination

bleak night
haughty panther
knotty fulcrum
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a actually hestia isn't that good cause it's only normal attacks

haughty panther
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zeus gain is pretty organic with this 2bh

steel sequoia
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havent tried it yet, but looks good in paper

knotty fulcrum
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if you pom it does it spawn more often?

steel sequoia
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i think pom should make it heal more?

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idk how it works lmao didnt saw yet

haughty panther
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pom is -cd so yeah should be more often

warm junco
knotty fulcrum
warm junco
knotty fulcrum
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common 10s rare 8s I assume?

haughty panther
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i think it's 10/9/8/7

steel sequoia
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so looks very good, 2 poms its easy mana

haughty panther
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it's basically a born gain but cd instead of priming

knotty fulcrum
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oh still if you can get it at like 6s is should work well

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maybe it's kinda hard to get to the bubble

haughty panther
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or just get fluid gain kek

haughty panther
knotty fulcrum
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yeah I allways felt like fluid gain is super good

limpid coral
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and you also need to find it, and go to it, and stand next to it for a second, feels kinda... hm
like on one end theres old born gain which lets you ignore it entirely, on the other end theres this which requires the most commitment and planning to get your mana back and neither feels great to me

haughty panther
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finding it wouldn't be hard, it tend to spawn closer to the center of screen

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going to it is geneally the commitment, the collection animation lasts for like 1/4 of a second

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and if it spawns out of reach, it will go to your current location like fluid gain, i think

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this is where fluid gain is good, it often spawns the bubbles out of bounds so it automatically travels to you and get collected completely automatically

steel sequoia
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well if zeus auto travelled than it would be a better born gain

narrow bramble
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now that then update came out, how has stuff changed? is triple earth still good? about to do a 24h run with either the torches or the staff but not sure what’s in and what’s out now

knotty fulcrum
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coarse grit is now a water infusion

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if you want to run staff I would suggest hestia attack + dem cast and their duo. it's really fun

narrow bramble
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ooo i’ll give that a shot thanks!

limpid coral
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each individual earth god is still very strong

narrow bramble
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oh yeah i guess hestia is up with this new update

limpid coral
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scorch got a glowup and the scorch+freeze duo is busted strong

knotty fulcrum
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for torche moros is still good and hestia's gain is super good for them

bleak night
cursive oyster
bleak night
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o can you just swap it for a diff boon ? I can check my run for the boons on it

spare kite
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Artic ring now opens cold storage which is funny

knotty fulcrum
cursive oyster
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everyone scales well now

bleak night
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can you replace Nimble Limbs with Glowing Coal? It's part of the build anyway lol

haughty panther
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apollo atk and hera/zeus core boons scales better now, iirc

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other stuff mostly untouched

bronze bear
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and heph?

haughty panther
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zeus can go into 300s easily now iirc

cursive oyster
bleak night
limpid coral
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i feel like blitz pom scaling didn't need to be improved much, like +40 +30 +25 felt good

cursive oyster
limpid coral
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but hey i won't complain about buffs

narrow bramble
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does pom still fix the magick priming from that vow? i corget the name of the vow

knotty fulcrum
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yes

bleak night
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it still uses the same icon as Swift Strike, at the very least

tired fulcrum
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Yeah but hard to get sub 10 prime

bleak night
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you need me to send the description

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tbh Nimble wasn't the most useful, so if you could do Winter Coat or Glowing Coal on that slot instead it'd be fine too

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o right they changed the name of Winter Coat to Snow Queen

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feels unnecessary

haughty panther
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FV:

bleak night
haughty panther
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frosty veneer

bleak night
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I had 6 water and that didn't show up so lol

haughty panther
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i mean the name change

bleak night
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Ah

haughty panther
#

slightly more reason to do so but still

bleak night
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it's np. Would it be better if I submit a new one to replace Nimble and you can just delete that old one ?

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idm much either way

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ty for putting them up Eevee_wow

tender anvil
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Mynt, go go record a no Arcana run

bleak night
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dear god that's pain

tender anvil
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So that all the green highlighted 50’s lose their sheen MelGrin (I assume)

bleak night
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I'll do it tomorrow, I already did like 40 attempts today + recorded 3 50F runs

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I'll get burnt out of my mind

tender anvil
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Eh, seeing your success rate with 50’s I guess getting reliable no arcana runs is just a couple (dozen?) attempts away

bleak night
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The difference between 50 and 51 is a drop off a cliff is all

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Alrighty. Thank you again.

midnight gate
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I would rather do 40f run with arcana than a 5f no arcana run

bleak night
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you still have your levelled keepsakes and your familiar, so it ends up not being too harsh

midnight gate
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No rerolls really hurts

bleak night
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yeah true

tender anvil
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Everything just moves so slow and barely hurts you at no fear

midnight gate
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I dont even mind the no dds. But no rerols is not fun.
I definitly could do just no arcana but adding to other vows just sounds bad

tender anvil
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Plus no timer allows for really safe play

charred seal
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No timer = no fun
If I don't stress the crap out of my entire existence for a solid 20 minutes whats the point really

midnight gate
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No arcana and onion are the harshest vows

charred seal
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Agreed

bronze bear
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I got offered epic mint condition + common trusty shield in oceanus, what do I do? pick shield?

charred seal
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When playing with onion do you start a god keepsake to eventually guarantee them or do you start some offensive/defensive keepsake to help you clear?

bronze bear
dusty ember
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Why did they change apollo's cast 😭

spare kite
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It still exists

bronze bear
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I think it's still the same

spare kite
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Now you can slap it on any other cast too

bronze bear
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name change only

dusty ember
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No it blinds and deals a little bit of damage before expiring now

bleak night
dusty ember
bleak night
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Yeah, if anything it's pretty cool now. You can have a base cast and an Omega one

bronze bear
#

how does geyser spout interact with charon?

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free damage? or sucks like pos cast last patch?

steel sequoia
bronze bear
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it's the one that immediately detonates which was bad last patch

steel sequoia
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yeah they changed how it works and added a new boon

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i tested geyser spout not tidal ring, but felt good

spare kite
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Tidal ring + lightning lance is funny cuz you sneeze to anything in front of you then hit something else with lance

steel sequoia
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i should try that sometime lmao looks fun

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persephone with ring + Geyser Spout + lightning lance + Prominence Flare should be awesome

spare kite
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Also the dmg of tidal is not bad
170~

bleak night
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Tidal feels kinda weird

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You gotta stutter step towards the direction you want the little knockback to happen

steel sequoia
#

finally some time to play now

bleak night
steel sequoia
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start the game

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i will play some cast mel staff maybe

bleak night
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a lot of the casts rn are really fun

steel sequoia
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and gains are fixed, ill try heph cast lets see

bleak night
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I should test some stuff out on Pers later actually

steel sequoia
#

the rings hit looks faster now

bleak night
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How many times does it hit? 3?

narrow bramble
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time to do a torch build

charred seal
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I wanna do a hephy Hestia attack build, any ideas on the weapon to use?

low bear
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Wtf I just got 4 Demeters in a row in Erebus lol

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2 were artificer

steel sequoia
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lmao im trying an cast/attack build and i have no cast and no attack boon on fields

slate shard
low bear
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Hearth Gain is so good on Momus

steel sequoia
bleak night
low bear
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yeah I'm uploading the run LOL

bleak night
bleak night
steel sequoia
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im trying attack/cast mel staff, i have no attack, no cast, and i have local climate and just got perfect image from last night

spare kite
low bear
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45F Moros, sadly I FORGOT to bump it up to 47 because I was messing around with Pan before, but I had a Clean Candle start so I just kept going

bleak night
steel sequoia
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grave thirst?

spare kite
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Damn that looks sick

low bear
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with how comfy the run was 47 was easy, I ended up getting (not) Coarse Grit too

bleak night
low bear
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I love Hearth on it, and being able to wheel start is so good

bleak night
low bear
#

wait Lunar Ray actually does have a turret upgrade?

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that's really cool

bleak night
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It does, yeah. It makes it cost 50 more than usual

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I have the run up if you wanna see how it went

low bear
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sure is it on yt?

bleak night
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alternatively I had a fully functional whirlwind build on 50F

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so if you wanna see that instead uwaacrossette

bronze bear
bleak night
low bear
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sure imma check it out then

bleak night
low bear
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seems new patch unlocked new things in Mynt

bleak night
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I tried to replicate on Than but my build didn't come together as easily

low bear
#

55F suddenly possible

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casually dropping 50 clears like it's nothing LOL

bleak night
low bear
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yeah I saw that so close!

bleak night
low bear
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no DDs is painful

bleak night
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I have never seen him zigzag like that

low bear
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and no rolls

bleak night
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The three recordings I just submitted was just a 2 and a half hour session or something

low bear
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Hmm I haven't seen that either but I usually don't hang out on that corner of the area for some reason

bleak night
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Yeah, it honestly shocked me

low bear
bleak night
low bear
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when Chronos starts charging I usually panic drop a cast to keep him in place LOL

bleak night
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What makes that clip worse is that I still had Nitro Boost

low bear
bleak night
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so I could've ate that if I was just sprinting

low bear
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up to 36/38 Pan is pretty easy in my experience

bleak night
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another bad thing about that clip

low bear
bleak night
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is it was before I knew that Pin got buffed vs Chronos

low bear
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wait it did? how

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oh does PIn work in phase transition or something

bleak night
low bear
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oh damn

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and you were so close to gettting to p2 with plenty of time too

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well you'll get it again I'm sure

bleak night
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Playing with Abandon is just really depressing sometimes

low bear
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abandon really is rough

bleak night
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also that Mel Axe run I uploaded honestly feels extremely rng blessed

low bear
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for a measly 5 Fear too, lul get outta here

bleak night
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Origination as early as possible with Hitch + Passion Dash

low bear
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how is new passion dash, is it better

bleak night
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It's honestly just flexibility

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dash and don't sprint and it's the same as before, hold down the sprint button and it doesn't do the second part until you let go

low bear
#

ahh

bleak night
#

it's also really good vs blue hearts

low bear
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Glamour Gain kinda feels like better passion dash sometimes now LOL

#

ahh true glamour doesn't strip blue hearts

bleak night
#

Glamour Gain has an interesting interaction with Island Getaway

#

it applies Weak to everything in the room

low bear
#

damn that seems pretty good

bleak night
#

Takes a while though

low bear
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true

bleak night
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Aphro and Poseidon are part of the new busted core with Dem, or so people say, so there's that

low bear
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I wish Arrogance didn't count for duos, it feels like it shouldn't

low bear
bleak night
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I've been managing without CG/FV now

bleak night
# low bear new triple earth?

triple water now, but pretty much, yeah. The main issue is that Poseidon doesn't always have the best synergy on some of these weapons

low bear
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yeah I barely get CG/FV anymore but damn it's still potent

bleak night
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I was gunning for it on my Than run because I got +3 all elements from Chaos, but Dem never showed up and Poseidon never gave me his infusion

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well, Dem did show up but the alternative was Narcissus lol

steel sequoia
#

ugh managed somehow to win

bleak night
steel sequoia
bleak night
steel sequoia
#

yeah, and worked with the anvil ring

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bc the omega damage boosts helped proeminence flare

low bear
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I wish there was a way to image analyze victory screens for the H2 run submissions, esp. now that there's more icons

steel sequoia
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my conclusion is that staff sucks MelGrin

bleak night
bleak night
low bear
fervent narwhal
bleak night
low bear
#

I guess leaderboards are also in Early Acess state as well

#

that's true

bleak night
fervent narwhal
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never done the chronos fight as fast as i did it.. its only on 18 minutes because i obviously didnt try to go fast

knotty fulcrum
#

what storm ring work for normal cast now?

bleak night
low bear
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yes, it's a pretty insane buff for that cast

fervent narwhal
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@bleak night the new hera and hestia duo boon plus some from narcissus and chaos

low bear
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did the damage get nerfed btw? Havne't used storm ring in a while

bleak night
low bear
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or is it just a straight buff no charging anymore

knotty fulcrum
#

does death work only on the first hit of whirl?

fervent narwhal
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@bleak night i mean it was fun but i got so overwhelmed with duo and legendary boons, they used to be rare

spare kite
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I saw hermes' legendary twice in like 10 runs

low bear
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I love Hearth Gain, I wish fluid got buffed to not needing to pick up bubbles anymore

spare kite
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Vs once in 170 💀

low bear
#

or they slowly go to you or something

limpid coral
low bear
limpid coral
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like i don't get why they made every single boon or perk a huge rectangle with a massive icon with a ton of empty, unused space

fervent narwhal
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@limpid coral all my silent runs are the same.. i love the daggers to much, cant remember the name its been awhile.. did you see that slay the spire 2 has been announced?

limpid coral
#

the boon codex could fit like 4 or 5 on one page easily 3 is just, why?

bleak night
limpid coral
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no i just took a random screenshot of a random post bouldy

low bear
#

I do wish victory screens had a "full detail" mode since SGG must know how popular it is to share your victory screens, having all the data be seeeable in one nice screenshot would be great

knotty fulcrum
tender anvil
#

Slay the spire 2?!

fervent narwhal
#

@limpid coral ah i see.. you should play it its fun

limpid coral
#

ya sts 2 has been announced

bleak night
#

It seems to be particularly good on Staff more than others

fervent narwhal
#

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limpid coral
#

i'd think making an option to just show the boon names and levels, colored by rarity, in smaller text like that wouldn't be hard but idk i guess their priorities are elsewhere

bleak night
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Yeah, probs a thing to be added at a different time

knotty fulcrum
limpid coral
#

if you have mana on a mel or than axe how often are you using the charge special?

bleak night
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even for Than with the built-in Mortality crit rate, you'd rather spin instead of seeing if your one Omega Special ends up critting

knotty fulcrum
#

Im doing a run now and it's pretty fun. I got poseidon gain from artificer so mana isn't a problem

bleak night
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oddly enough I think Hestia gain is better

knotty fulcrum
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for sure but I don't want to go out of my way to get a good gain

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lol I got pshychic + furios whirl

bleak night
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Nice

low bear
#

hestia gain so good

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fluid should have gotten buffed too imo

#

ionic is,,, interesting I don't like having to break my flow to recharge mana

tender anvil
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wow, when watching the successful Charon 50's I realized what I was missing - the ability to reposition mid channel

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it's quite unintuitive on a controller (special and dash are top and bottom buttons respectively), so rather hard to execute with the thumb. Guess it's either remapping keys or adopting a "claw" control setup, but should be much easier with the tech

spare kite
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I've always done left trigger for special in h1/h2

low bear
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I have R1 on attack, I'm thinking of putting special on L1 yeah

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I always liked putting attacks on shoulder buttons ever since playing Dark Souls

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it just made so much sense, why have your thumb do all the work when your index finger is barely doing anything

tender anvil
#

a bit of learning is in order for me it seems

low bear
#

true remapping controls always takes time to get used to

tender anvil
#

yeah, muscle memory is real

low bear
#

one of the reasons why I hate console gaming now, lack of software to fully customize my control scheme lol

steel sequoia
#

ionic is good with high mana pool

tired fulcrum
#

Arrogance ionic bouldy

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Ngl with how most duos are a lot cooler now i find myself priming a lot of mana

ionic moon
#

really hope they rebalance/remove arrogance soon. especially with the changes to divinity + legendary/duo frequency

steel sequoia
civic ocean
tender anvil
#

I actually did "claw" cast while using flames (thumb on attack, index on cast), but it won't work for Charon tech sadly (it will be index on special, which is the more common button, so won't work comfortably). I'm thinking remapping attack/spesh to shoulders, and leaving dash/cast as buttons atm

tired turret
#

Hestia gain is amazing on eos

tall notch
#

I'm glad I switched to left trigger dash and right trigger cast early

civic ocean
spare kite
#

I have cast l1/special l2 and everything else default

spare dove
#

Assuming no but can the boon that makes your omega cast follow you be picked at the same time as Apollo’s boon that does a bunch of damage after your omega cast expires?

haughty depot
#

I got on after the patch and i've got a 33/30 grasp setup, i guess i get to keep that until i change cards

spare dove
spare kite
steel sequoia
#

bruh i screwed up my persephone run by getting geyser spout in the last boon omg. i recommend never do that

spare kite
#

Wait how does that kill it

steel sequoia
#

it insta finish the omega cast so you stop the storm ring

haughty depot
steel sequoia
#

you lose all your omega cast value if its not poseidons

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cast works but its not the same dmg

simple swan
#

What sorts of arcana builds do folks run now as of the new patch?

#

The new board has kinda thrown me off a bit lol

mellow dirge
#

Am I missing out on something or are the daggers nearly unusable because of their base dps being so low? It seems like the only way to make them worth having is with really specific boons that add static damage per hit

timber pawn
left hound
#

can someone give me a build to do rn

rough trench
ionic moon
left hound
mellow dirge
#

Hades 2 doesnt have many sources of that though

ionic moon
#

the options in h2 have been more limited than h1, though. hestia recently got buffed at least

rough trench
#

Daggers are my favorite weapon. Other than Pan, I generally play them without using omegas. They're so much fun.

mellow dirge
rough trench
rough trench
# left hound I have all my aspects and all but medeas and heracles keepsakes. i have almost n...

Try Aspect of Charon axe and start with Selene's keepsake. Choose Wolf Howl as your hex (if it's not offered, you can just Give Up and try again, as Selene offers different hexes each time). Selene's keepsake will give you a bunch of extra upgrades even after you switch keepsakes, so don't worry if you don't find a second Path of Stars in Erebus. If you can get the Giga Slice (I think that's what it's called) hammer upgrade, it causes your omega special to hit twice for 10 or 15 extra magic. This causes Wolf Howl to activate after every single omega special you perform. Wolf Howl has some great upgrades including 1 second invulnerability after activation, so you can end up doing a ton of damage between omega special and hex while taking very little damage.

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Lucid Gain (Apollo) is the best gain for Charon axe, as it's basically infinite magic.

#

Demeter's cast is a great option if you can get it, and Hera's special goes hard.

spare kite
#

If you can't get giga cleaver you can use hestia's or hera's boons that increase the mp cost for some extra effect

craggy ore
charred seal
#

The titan of time? More like the titan of needing a little blanket. I froze him to death. Long live Room Temperature

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I beat him with ice cubes and the metal pipe falling sound effect

rough trench
tired fulcrum
#

If you have full scars you prob have stuff making you get oneshot at 30 hp anyways

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Its kinda silly that chronos gets timeslowed now

past salmon
rough trench
#

You could always choose to not do the incantation 🤷‍♂️

charred seal
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But you can't undo it

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Which means if you just wanted to pause a patch before, tough luck.

spare kite
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Yeah I wanted to test it and now poor grandpa got hit by a steel chair forever

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"surely it won't be that good"
It was that good

rough trench
#

You should drop some feedback about adding an option to undo incantations

steel sequoia
charred seal
#

Or drop some feedback about keeping a unique aspect of a boss fight intact

craggy ore
charred seal
#

Did dem freeze slow him down before this patch?

rough trench
tired fulcrum
#

Wait what

steel sequoia
tired fulcrum
civic ocean
tired fulcrum
#

I mean its still effectively a heal

craggy ore
charred seal
# steel sequoia always

Makes sense, freezing his balls off probably doesn't have anything to do with time dilation

tired fulcrum
#

Idk about a bug but its potentially unintended

#

Like it works the same way as picking up a bunch of centaur hearts

limpid coral
#

did picking up max hp with antler also increase your current hp (up to 30)?

craggy ore
#

the rework prob just made it so that it adds a bunch of max life back after the keepsake expires

civic ocean
#

Wouldn't the other way around be almost unplayably bad? You go from 165 hp to 30 and then take 135 effective damage at the end of the biome for no reason?

tired fulcrum
civic ocean
tired fulcrum
craggy ore
limpid coral
#

huh so no healing from max hp with antler, probably means the max hp is just like stored for after the boss and then given to u all at once?

civic ocean
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Yeah I think this is totally fine and like a good reason to take Antler if ur low hp

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Engraved Pin has healed me for like 200+hp through vow of scars in a run before so this seems reasonable as well

tired fulcrum
#

#bringbackstubborndefiance

civic ocean
#

But yeah not sure that's a bug

#

We'll see ig

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This is already like a super dee duper player favoured patch

charred seal
#

Aspect of Eos works really well for Heph attack

tired fulcrum
#

I kinda wish youd just throw out regular omega attacks after the daybreaker

past salmon
#

BRO CAN WE PLEASE DELETE HIPPOS

tired fulcrum
#

This please

past salmon
#

I just lost a 55F run to funny Oceanus room spawning in 6 armoured hippos at the other side of a room full of spindles
Literally wtaf

tired fulcrum
#

Can we also delete spindles

spare kite
#

Patch notes:
shadesmile removed Erebus

tired fulcrum
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I swear enemies would be half as annoying if we just had stubborn defiance bouldy

crimson wave
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Engraved pin:

tired fulcrum
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Pin is worse stubborn bouldy

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Reverse arcana expansion soon™️

surreal hazel
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okay new hapestus is amazing

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Grand Caldera is disgusting, and the reduced flourish cooldown is lol

charred seal
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Volcanic strike is my favourite boon in the game now

magic moss
charred seal
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Wow I ended up taking 3 Heph duo boons

civic ocean
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They're always running away from you when they have no reason to, they're already far enough away to attack safely

surreal hazel
charred seal
surreal hazel
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I had a support setup, turns out mirrored thrasher and melting swipe is Armour-B-Gone

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Also had Seismic Hammer, but that seems broken now?

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as in, nonfunctional

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Also Grand Caldera is linear pommage? Just +50 damage per pom

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and yet still amazing at common, +50% radius means 2.25x coverage

dawn cape
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From playing with born gain, it seems like it's still good, but it's not a no-brainer, it'll require getting more magick to support it and it runs the risk of running out against the final boss

surreal hazel
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an actually considered choice? Job's a goodun

dawn cape
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Side note, seismic hammer seems like it's OP with momus because it adds 500 damage to each omega cast pulse

surreal hazel
dawn cape
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Yeah I think it's a bug

surreal hazel
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or did it get reworked and I'm dum?

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I broke it in my game, I had it but it had no recharge, it probably wasn't proccing?

dawn cape
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It's "every 6 seconds, your cast can do a 500 damage blast" but I think it has a buggy momus interaction

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Yeah I don't understand it either tbh

surreal hazel
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I think it just has a buggy interaction, I think glowing coal or geyser spout broke it

dawn cape
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But hey, hepheastus overall was viable to build a run around at least

surreal hazel
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yeah, totally

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I feel the blades gets the nicest interaction with volcanic flourish (It's a great "screw this guy in particular" button)

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with the run I linked above, I managed to delete Queen lamia in less than a second too, which was jaw dropping

dawn cape
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Though apparently attack blast ate a nerf for some reason? IMO it should be 200 damage with 8 second CD if the special blast is 400 damage with 16 second CD

surreal hazel
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she had +30hp fear too

dawn cape
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Or make the attack blast 300 if the goal is to avoid a broken pom scaling

surreal hazel
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yeah, Volcanic strike very quickly hits the 2 second CD cap

dawn cape
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Is it -2 seconds per pom on the attack?

surreal hazel
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-2 on first, -1 on all others

dawn cape
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Also, do all cast boons do direct damage now?

surreal hazel
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in some form, yes

dawn cape
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Even zeus cast now doesn't need to be omega'd

surreal hazel
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Also, interesting one, Solar ring keeps reapplying daze

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therefore Rude awakening can be easily repeated

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Smithy Sprint being the best repeater there since it's honestly disgusting

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but also chain reaction happily abuses that too

dawn cape
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Does kinda suck that there's no dash-synergy aspect yet

surreal hazel
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Hrm, small update just landed

surreal hazel
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and Smithy Sprint with Wolf Howl's Frenzy is OP as heck

empty trellis
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i havent played in awhile, whats the best mana regen rn? ik before it was hera

surreal hazel
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Varies now

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Hestia gain is great on fast attackers, Zeus gain doesn't obliterate your build

empty trellis
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im using pan rn so hestia?

rough trench
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Lucid Gain if playing with Charon

surreal hazel
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it doesn't proc on omegas

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so you need to get that third hit on the attack sequence

rough trench
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For Pan I'd go Zeus or Hera

surreal hazel
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tranquil gain is MAD fast now, because it scales with total magicka

rough trench
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Oh right, I always forget about Tranquil

surreal hazel
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honestly very solid now, most boss fights give you a breather moment to get a full regen

past salmon
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Pan can probs also use lucid tbh

surreal hazel
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ehhh, pan wants to launch the cast to where you aren't

past salmon
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Actually most things can use lucid if they aren't uber mana hungry

past salmon
rough trench
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Charon can block, though. Pan seems more dangerous.

surreal hazel
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well yeah, free spam of a 30 magicka move

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Glamour Gain is kinda... it's fixed gain's damage reduction but better

wooden inlet
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on patch 2 vow of forsaking won't make getting legendary boon easy to get, does the check is also there when we don't use the vow?

surreal hazel
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Basically they seemed to remove the thing where it just puts any boon with prereqs met into a slot if there aren't enough left to pick

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so technically it nerfs non-forsaking runs too, but are you honestly going to empty a single god's boon pool in one run?

wooden inlet
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it's for the prophecy. its absurdly difficult to to get one

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they gave me coins 4 times before giving me the legendary on final charon shop

surreal hazel
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patch 3 made them more common

wooden inlet
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this is on patch 3

surreal hazel
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stop using forsaking for legendaries, it doesn't help you

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makes it harder to match the prereqs

knotty fulcrum
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makes it easier sometimes tho. depends on the prereqs ig

surreal hazel
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what you want to pack is the re-rolls

spare kite
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Gamble with artificer too

knotty fulcrum
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artificer is way too op now I think I assume they will nerf it a bit. make it cost more grasp\

rough trench
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What's a good Eos build? I haven't played much Eos.

wooden inlet
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feels my question still unanswered. say you get all the prerequisite already. now you only need to get the legendary. say for simplicity sake the legendary is the only boon available to take from that said god. regardless you have the vow or not, you have the same chances? yes or no

knotty fulcrum
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probably

wooden inlet
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haha

tired fulcrum
surreal hazel
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protip, miniboss and expensive boons in the final shop have higher legendary chances

spare kite
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Oh they changed that from h1?

charred seal
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But it's so brain-dead, anyone can pilot it

lean plank
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anyone got any good ideas for an aspect of charon build? my usual one was solar ring but the reworked version doesnt work as well tbh

knotty fulcrum
lean plank
lean plank
spare kite
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Origination lol

surreal hazel
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basically for every slot in the boon menu, it rolls to see if it's a legendary, if that fails, it rolls to see if it's a duo, if that fails, it rolls for a heroic, then epic, then rare, then common if all those fail

tired fulcrum
rough trench
knotty fulcrum
lean plank
surreal hazel
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obviously if there's no boons possible because you haven't met the pre-reqs, then it skips that roll

spare kite
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Your cast does 400 from chamber 1 and unlike apollo's you can spam casts after detonation

lean plank
tired fulcrum
spare kite
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Solar ring w/o zeus duo is kinda mid

knotty fulcrum
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can someone recommand a build? (i know Ive asked that a lot I just don't have any ideas)

tired fulcrum
lean plank
surreal hazel
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Storm ring no longer requires an omega cast, so it's kinda bananas now

tired fulcrum
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Only because it lumps it all into one big number

lean plank
surreal hazel
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Chaon's extended cast duration is also more generally useful with all Ring boons

lean plank
charred seal
# lean plank what is it?

Go with Heph attack, make sure it's epic and rarify. (or common if you have a fully levelled Narcissus Boon).

Hyper focus on poms, get Heph attack lvl 4 as soon as possible, reroll bad gods.

For secondary gods you want Hestia, Demeter or Aphrodite. All their duos are really powerful and generally synergistic with eachother. For Hestia, take her Magick boon, and look for origination. For Demeter, take her Cast. For Aphrodite, I like to take her dash.

tired fulcrum
surreal hazel
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Prominence Flare

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which is an odd name, because Prominence is already the name for a different boon

lean plank
charred seal
surreal hazel
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And get Grand Caldera

charred seal
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Absolutely.

lean plank
charred seal
spare kite
surreal hazel
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kinda crazy, a Duo that got turned into a common boon, and even the common rarity is better than the former Duo

knotty fulcrum
surreal hazel
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now that's buff

charred seal
lean plank
knotty fulcrum
surreal hazel
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Volcanic strike, get extending whallop

charred seal
lean plank
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is there any benefit for spamming the detonation other than the instant damage though?

surreal hazel
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press X to explode enemy

charred seal
spare kite
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Your cast does big dmg

tired fulcrum
lean plank
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true ig

knotty fulcrum
lean plank
charred seal
tired fulcrum
spare kite
charred seal
knotty fulcrum
lean plank
tired fulcrum
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Your omega special does damage too also just do it again? Like what else are you going to do to kill things spam the basic attack?

charred seal
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If you wanna spam attacks, Charon isn't the aspect for the job.

spare kite
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Just look at mynt's run and you'll see the difference in dos

charred seal
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Charon wants to play by triggering free O casts for massive damage. It's just what it's designed to do.

spare kite
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You drop like 3 casts while old solar ring went off

charred seal
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Sol ring has always been a trap for Charon, huh

lean plank
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i just found it fun tbh

tired fulcrum
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Yeah and you melt bosses by just not picking solar ring

lean plank
charred seal
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It genuinely has such underwhelming damage. If you find it fun, you do you. It's just definitely not the best option

spare kite
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Solar worked at lower fear cuz bosses are like your only worry

charred seal
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With the new Poseidon changes, do you people think he's viable in Charon?

tired fulcrum
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T2 version of geyser ring still doesnt work properly with charon

lean plank
charred seal
lean plank
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i always assumed it wasnt that good cause it already detonates immeadiately

spare kite
tired fulcrum
spare kite
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Lmfao

charred seal
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Oh btw, I haven't been able to test it yet, so. Does Apollo legendary do anything for Charon?

tired fulcrum
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Works same way as giga cleaver

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Idk if they fixed it not stacking with giga tho

lean plank
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wait would aphro cast work with charon cause of the pull in effect?

tired fulcrum
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Ig though it also pulls spinners and stuff into your face bouldy