h2-builds-and-combat

[silent crow]

poseidons other tier twos dont exist anyway

[tired fulcrum]

Slip is lame but like free origination and global damage

[silent crow]

slip is literally worse sweet surrender if u take out origination

[tired fulcrum]

Its better than that apollo boons thats like a 10% chance for your attacks and only your attacks to apply daze

[silent crow]

i used that one time when i was really desperate i mean it worked but im still pissed that i was forced to put a triple pom into it

apollo feels rly boring too

[oblique ruin]

i still wish i can see escalating ambush stacks....

[plain fossil]

Tbf daze is like 10 times better than slip so yknow its kinda balanced lul

[silent crow]

and then daze sprint can apply it with one dash

[tired fulcrum]

Surely they make hera sprint work on dash so i can use it on torches

[plain fossil]

Aph dash and aph support in general is good on torches it just suffers from having the wrong squigglies

Im a fan if i cant apply origination easily

Something i do aim for if i find myself on aph is to prioritize hermes higher for the dodge since its additive with messenger and aph infusion

Additive dodge is broko

[weak cosmos]

No way poseidon just doubled up a death defiance that I did not need

[past salmon]

HAHA YES!

[plain fossil]

What can drop raw DDs to double up, just nemesis?

[weak cosmos]

Narcissus

[plain fossil]

Oh yea

[iron ember]

btw, don't sleep on aspect of mellinoe lim and oros hestia build. that stuff is unparalleled, ESPECIALLY if you get get the boon that gives you increased dmg per fire boon.

well no it's not unparalleled, but it's really fun

[paper tapir]

Just making sure, does burn dmg increase from sources like origination?

[low bear]

My hate for Mel Daggers is bottomless

[iron ember]

i also reccomend pairing it with the 0% magick curse, and eschewing the magick regen arcana whilst utilizing the zeus chain lightning and 10 magick thunder strike

0 magick builds can be pretty fricken insane

[low bear]

Wouldn't Pos just be better than Hestia for that build

[iron ember]

uhhh nah because this specific build uses no mana. thus, no special omega

[low bear]

Poseidon attack I mean

[iron ember]

i mean i don't think so? maybe? again, the burn dmg move too

[wild swan]

poseidon doesn't automatically trigger origination without his follow-up boon but idk if origination is a major part of this or what you'd pair it with

when i CAN get slip I love poseidon attack on the daggers

[iron ember]

i mean i just kinda leave origination on usually. idk i usually utilize poseidon with pan

[low bear]

Ah slow cooker? I feel like the added power isn't so impactful especially since you aren't running %atk boon

[iron ember]

well yeah thats the thing

[tired fulcrum]

Well you have huntress and backstab ig

[iron ember]

you're using daggers which means you hit insanely fast

+20 damage per dagger hit is pretty wild

[tired fulcrum]

youd hit faster if you used staff and got non garbo hammers tho

[silent crow]

there should be a daggers hammer that removes every hit of the combo except the 3rd

[iron ember]

hm. are there any fire damage attacks that do % damage

[low bear]

but Poseidon is like +30 per hit and you have AoE which the daggers are bad at

[silent crow]

no

[iron ember]

i mean. yeaaaaah. i am sad that you killed my hestia fun

[oblique ruin]

noooo dude idk what to do with chronos.... sadage

[tired fulcrum]

Dagger attack is so bad honestly

[low bear]

sorry didn't mean to, the build still works and you should play what you find fun tho

[oblique ruin]

what do I run

[tired fulcrum]

Also it canceling the dash strike half the time for no reason

[low bear]

are you trying to get your first win?

[oblique ruin]

dagger fun bt i nead real stuff

[oblique ruin]

yes... hahah

[low bear]

easiest first win imo is Zeus Storm Ring and Lightning Lance

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1051942150025269309/1250001331415027802/Hades_II_2024-06-11_01-15-06_-_Trim.mp4?ex=66733d35&is=6671ebb5&hm=40104257b6d5cff80880d732a904cb2eddfa04399811b8e6127348130ea1e352& well technically this is possible for first win

Just stack staff attack hammers

[oblique ruin]

what seaon

[tired fulcrum]

Aspect doesnt even matter

[low bear]

any weapon works but Staff compliments it a bit I guess

[oblique ruin]

wait you can just dash that skill

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah

[oblique ruin]

not just sit in safe zone. im a dingus

[low bear]

Circe or Perse or even Charon if you have those unlocked

[forest hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936359276119736443/1252838909264793610/image.png?ex=6673aca8&is=66725b28&hm=7b0c7f4475f9a5532eb7cf609afc296e512942a2f57398aafba01cd55a2be67f&

[oblique ruin]

reminds me when I did that sonic turney hahah

[forest hinge]

Moros w/no Atk boon save me

[tired fulcrum]

Tbh before the last big patch the timing was insanely difficult with swift runner

[low bear]

Moros with no attack is still stronk

[oblique ruin]

shoudl I stick with dual daggers or learn something new

[low bear]

try everything out

[oblique ruin]

i mean i have?

[low bear]

Mel daggers isn't very good imo (in fact I think it's the worst aspect in the game currently lol)

[tired fulcrum]

You have origination, huntress, and + 30% from heph infusion i think youre fine lol

[tired fulcrum]

Facts

[oblique ruin]

fine moon stone axe

[tired fulcrum]

Is your mel aspect maxed

[low bear]

if they haven't gotten first win yet I doubt it

[oblique ruin]

im not mxed tho

[low bear]

give Than or Charon a try

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah charon is strong even lvl 1

[oblique ruin]

IS THAT THE STAVES?

[tired fulcrum]

Axe aspects

[low bear]

it's on axe

[oblique ruin]

sorry caps

[forest hinge]

yeah i just won lol

[low bear]

do you have alterante aspects unlocked? I don't actually remember when you get those lol

I think Mel Skulls are the strongest of the Mel aspects by far

[tired fulcrum]

If dont have axe aspects then can still just omega special spam ig

[low bear]

Charon is also a pretty easy first win yeah, make sure you have the arcana that gives your casts +100 power equipped

[bleak night]

True

Charon is really fun

[forest hinge]

Any Artemis builds and setup to try? Pan also works but it seems to take more setup

[plain fossil]

I think Charon might actually be the easiest first chronos kill rn

Im not sure but with like lv1 aspects, unupgraded arcana, 24 grasp etc its one of the builds that doesnt have damage problems at all and is pretty safe

[bleak night]

That's true, yeah. Even with non-Hera mana regen you can still manage

Hestia in general is really good for Charon in earlier runs, with Glowing Coal and Hearth Gain

[plain fossil]

Yea hard agree there

Do u like the +10 mana omega special fireball? I havent clicked it much bc it seems bad but figure asking for opinions better than dismissing it

[silent crow]

its ok scaling

decent finisher

[bleak night]

It's alright, I suppose

[wild swan]

it feels negligible, what I look from Hestia is the ability to target your cast

[silent crow]

very fun

[bleak night]

like, if you're doing earlier runs anyway, you can just bank on the higher cost letting you charge hexes sooner

I wouldn't take it in timer runs though

[bronze bear]

Charon has insane starting damage

[plain fossil]

Also ur somewhat likely to have unseen card clicked if its really early i guess

[bleak night]

if anything, I used to run unseen a lot earlier on lol

[plain fossil]

Yea i mean when u dont have rerolls unlocked etc may as well right

[bleak night]

pretty much, yeah.

[bleak night]

oops, just saw this one. Honestly, I think Artemis just wants Aphro on attack and perhaps Demeter on Cast, then put Passion Dash on

[plain fossil]

I think more than anything it wants explosive ambush i genuinely have no idea how to play artemis without it

[forest hinge]

which one is explose ambush?

[plain fossil]

It makes omega attack do much more damage in a wide aoe

[low bear]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1252846028336660510/Screenshot_1845.png?ex=6673b349&is=667261c9&hm=1487484fcde3be574db5cb12ff7c47385be1d94ebf608c89f84fd739cb7ec384&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1375&height=772

Moros is busted

[plain fossil]

I should go to #h2-victory-boasting and see what percentage of the 32+ runs have arctic ring clicked

Ppl complain about all kinds of boons but my sights are firmly set on arctic ring

[bleak night]

Arctic Ring is so good, yeah

[plain fossil]

I should put up a feedback but guarantee most ppl will be like HOW DARE YOU ARCTIC RING IS FUN BECAUSE WINNING IS FUN

[low bear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ9ovU0mILc&ab_channel=jdeeyu

[hollow briar]

Again, I really wanna start running stats on this kinda stuff. Pick-rates of Boons, Vows, Gods, etc etc...

[low bear]

Here's gameplay of my 45F Moros btw

I feel like Blitz was suboptimal on attack but it is what is it

[plain fossil]

So i just had a quick look at the last 25 32f+ runs, its a really clear split

[low bear]

many of those Arctic Rings were probably contributed by me lol

certified Arctic Ring enjoyer

[plain fossil]

2/16 of the 32f runs were with arctic ring, but 8/9 of the >32f runs were with arctic ring

And yes @low bear theres probably some sampling bias there lmao

Its not just u tho

[bleak night]

that just tells me 32f is still perfectly fine to experiment builds on, while anything higher squeezes out options, so you try to pick something cookie cutter

which tbf is one way to go about it

[plain fossil]

Thats exactly how i read it too

[low bear]

yep at 32 I can run suboptimal builds pretty well or just whatever I want

[plain fossil]

CRUSHING COMET EOS GUYS IM TELLING U

[low bear]

I DID IT

[plain fossil]

Did u actually lmao

[low bear]

huh I guess I forgot to post my Eos run

wait lemme grab the sc

[bleak night]

which one is Crushing Comet again ?

[bronze bear]

I think +75 special dissipates

[low bear]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1252850359127375892/Screenshot_1837.png?ex=6673b752&is=667265d2&hm=d4d785a4e920012068e6432009433a8694e6e019e19e8d77b784e8a5ed00b068&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1375&height=772

[bleak night]

ah, I see

[low bear]

oh I had Hestia cast for some reason lmao

[bleak night]

don't wanna upload your runs to the leaderboard btw ?

esp since you already have them on YT

[low bear]

oh which leaderboards are these

[bleak night]

the vercel one

[low bear]

I guess I could though I only have my most recent Moros one recorded

[bleak night]

https://hades2-fear-run.vercel.app/ just need to fill up a form

[bleak night]

Yeah, here you go. The "src" part is source for link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rrTgSkRSIOcc20wU56w21DDPlRQO6Tso2av3vdiJd9M/edit?gid=158929169#gid=158929169

[low bear]

I sorta assumed 45F wasn't enough to get on the leaderboards LOL

but I'll look into that thanks!

[bleak night]

I mean, 45F is the 2nd highest for Moros

with the 50F and 45F one just being Foolish lol

[plain fossil]

JOIN THE RELIGION

Btw cold storage is giga op u guys will be converted one day trust

[bleak night]

tbf on most weapons 45F is enough to get on the leaderboard

[low bear]

I Had cold storage on this run too lol

[bleak night]

Staff is the only one that's hard to get into because Momus spam just inflated it

[low bear]

oh that's interesting, 48 with onion seems doable but needs a lot of luck

[hollow ether]

32f, again. died on chronos, again

[bronze bear]

What does the black and green mean

[bleak night]

black and green ?

[bleak night]

What aspect were you playing ?

[bronze bear]

some are bright and some are dark

[low bear]

but you'd need to get born gain quickly

[hollow ether]

thanatos

[low bear]

or artificer gamba

[hollow ether]

got terrible luck though like actually

[bleak night]

Ah, on melee axe most of Chronos is just cancelling whatever you're doing to block his attacks

It's kinda tough otherwise, honestly. Thanatos I find not very good for it unless you're using full non-Omega

whirling in Chronos' face is an issue I have no real solution for

because you can't just tap shield in the middle of it unless you just started it

[hollow briar]

The only Aspects that don’t really take it as much (or want to, I guess) at that level of Fear are the ones that are built around certain Casts, but even then it’s still likely a viable pick for the CC alone lmao

[hollow ether]

i have tried omega and non omega, i like non omega a bit better

[bleak night]

exactly, yeah. All my submitted runs except for that turbo cursed Charon run are Arctic Ring

[hollow ether]

i need to get better at the block though. i can keep my cast on him constantly but i cant block very well

[bleak night]

Might need to watch his movements in that case. Did you just die to him ?

[hollow ether]

yeah

[bleak night]

You can fish out your save before the fight to keep trying it out

it'll be no pressure since you're basically just trapping him in an endless time loop until you win lol

Need help with that or would you rather do a fresh run ?

[hollow ether]

i think ill go fresh, i did not like my build at all last run, it was a mess overall

i sacrificed a bit to get 6 earth and hope for demeter infusion but i did not get it

[bleak night]

it happens tbf

[bronze bear]

Charon runs seem to all start with Hera keepsake, for Born gain lol

[bleak night]

I can also help you over VC if you want, I suppose

[bronze bear]

guessing none of them take the Magick regen arcana then

[low bear]

Panic + Born gain start is free Fear

[bleak night]

yeah, I try to just not get that

I turn Unseen on during fun runs

[low bear]

having more rolls + guaranteed boon in Erebus mid shop is just too good

[plain fossil]

Do they split by patch

[hollow ether]

i also just dont have a lot of playtime yet, so a lot of things arent upgraded to max for me

boons, arcana, keepsakes, etc

[bleak night]

You can see the patch on the side, but the leaderboard itself isn't split into patches

[hollow ether]

why did i say boons lmao

[bronze bear]

what's guaranteed boon

[plain fossil]

High fear on current momus i think would be a genuine achievement so would be sad if it gets drowned

[bleak night]

people will see the patch number, at least

[low bear]

you have enough money to buy a boon for midshop, without the boatman arcana you usually don't have enough money to buy one at +80% charon price

[plain fossil]

Yea its 270 gold basically impossible to get that in 5 rooms unless ur doing mildly insane things like clicking gold rooms

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah unseen is too slow and it also just stops regening while you onega special

[plain fossil]

One omega special per seven seconds of doing nothing is not where we wanna be

At high fear even if it gives u an extra bomb ur gonna lose to timer anyway

I've been meaning to try unseen on low but nonzero mana builds like CRUSHING COMET EOS and persephone etc but havent got round to it yet

[low bear]

clicking gold in general with +80% charon price just feels bad

[plain fossil]

Well clicking 100 gold gold over 270 gold boon feels really bad lul

[low bear]

even for mana it's 100/180

[plain fossil]

I might click it over centaur heart or mana sometimes if i was out of rerolls since in some circumstances those things are really useless

[low bear]

yeah though that usually only happens by moruning fields for me

[plain fossil]

Oh yea so i know this is build dependent etc but in terms of early room rerolls what do u settle for

[low bear]

and rerolling there is kinda wack

[low bear]

wdym

[bleak night]

I wanna try to attempt 50 fear Mel Axe runs but like, I'd need Dashing Heave and Static Shock

[low bear]

sounds painful

[plain fossil]

Like do u hard reroll for boons, do u settle for pom, do u settle for pom or selene, heart, etc

[bleak night]

yeah I'd rather have fun, so I'll just let it be for now and leave it as a pipe dream

[plain fossil]

Basically im asking if u have bad major finds early, what do u stop rerolling if u hit

I know they have a bag system so if u try for a boon and its not in the bag its really bad

[low bear]

I usually reroll selene and settle for mana or pom if they appear. I try to roll a god I don't want once or twice

pom depends on what I currently have though

mana ofc depends on the build too

health I don't usually value but I'd take it over gold, also because I run Frinos

gold I pretty much always reroll

[forest hinge]

any Momus tips? idk what boons

[low bear]

born gain and any combo of attack special works tbh

[plain fossil]

Oh boy momus questions

[low bear]

I read it as Moros lmao

[plain fossil]

Imo born gain is by far the best starting boon

[low bear]

uhmm Momus is uhmm get 2x hammer

[plain fossil]

Momus is really hammer dependent

[low bear]

Hera attack, Apollo special?

[plain fossil]

U have a lot of good hammers but a lot of them dont work with each other

So i like to just pick defensive gods early until i get first hammer then focus on whatever hammer gives me

Im looking for, in order:

• giga moonburst
• mirrored thrasher
• double moonshot
• vampiric cataclysm

Theres some other okay hammers like chain special and +30 damage but those are the ones i really want

[forest hinge]

giga moonburst sounds like a fun hammer to try on momus

[plain fossil]

If my first hammer is a special hammer i look for a decent flourish, any % flourish is fine except aph

[bleak night]

Giga Moonburst is that one with the timing or something ?

[plain fossil]

I dont like zeus with giga moonburst its got bad breakpoints

[forest hinge]

recently circe has been falling off for me, doesn't seem to scale super well, but also i keep forcing attack on circe so idk maybe specials are the way

[plain fossil]

No its +30 mana +300% damage and like 4x the aoe

[bleak night]

Oh, interesting

[plain fossil]

Its the explosive ambush of staff special, its super good

U will usually need at least one mana pot somewhere in ur run and occasionally multiple if u have trusty shield etc

If u have an easy timer and revenants + vampiric cataclysm u can farm revenants for hp lul

I dont like the justframe shot special hammer, it doesnt play well with giga moonburst

Uh what else

Oh i dont really click omega cast i prefer to stay mobile with a ranged regular cast and not get locked in place charging the omega

Its not awful to use and feel free to try it but i really value running in circles

[bronze bear]

Does "channeling faster" affect charging the axe's omega special?

[past salmon]

I would try 49F no panic actually!
A fair bit easier than 50F due to easier early game and not really any harder than 48F
I did 1 attempt on 49F making it to Chronos before swapping to 50F

[plain fossil]

This one is currently bugged

[bronze bear]

bugged as in yes or no effect

idk what's the intended outcome

[bleak night]

no effect besides Sudden Cleaver and, to a lesser degree, Metallic Droplet

[bronze bear]

alright thanks

[hollow ether]

yeah i just have to git gud at this point, just died at 32f cerberus

[bronze bear]

holy, Charon's cast is so strong at base that you don't even need a cast boon

[tired fulcrum]

400 damage with just arcana

[plain fossil]

Thats why we all say born gain start

[plain fossil]

Dw im sure all of us have died to 32f cerberus at some point

[past salmon]

I died to 50F cerb once 💀
Lowest point of my life

[plain fossil]

Im dreading the day when i die to uh-oh

[hollow briar]

Yeh, it’s not terribly surprising that a non-committal Freeze option that completely halts almost every mob on something that you already throw out often that both clears Barriers really easily and provides half of Origination debuffing with no downtime is always gonna be more efficient than applying, like, Weak or Scorch lol

[hollow briar]

Suffering builds character and all that; you’ll get it next time

[bleak night]

True, yeah. Still, can't help but think choose Weak or Scorch for Cast when I do find it sometimes lol

[hollow briar]

Persephone feels so damn bad with Panic on to start for that reason alone. Unseen just isn’t good enough in the slightest to make up for it since you still lose all of your original Magick, so at best, you’re getting punked by Desperation, and at worst, you’re dying to mobs in early Erebus

[hollow briar]

Oh, for sure, yeah. If you run out of screws, sometimes you’ve gotta settle for nails, if ya catch my drift

[past salmon]

yeah
The idea behind unseen is to not run panic and then you can just ignore a gain boon for most of the run

[plain fossil]

Yea the bigger issue for me is that a) i dont really want either aph or hestia a lot of the time, although theyre not the stone worst; and b) hestia cast at common/0 doesnt have full uptime on origination because it applies less than 40 scorch per second

[bleak night]

I suppose that's true, just need more options in that case.

[summer bluff]

What’s a good aspect yall recommend for || Chronos || and or || eris || the closest I’ve gotten to killing both of them was with the || circe || staff

[past salmon]

Whatever you find yourself more comfortable with tbh
There is not really a best or worst aspect at that stage of the game
use what works best for you 👍

[summer bluff]

Also Ik the game is in early access but || is there anything after eris? ||

[thorn dagger]

Aspect of Pan with Poseidon Special should be very strong. Just take some Omega Special casting speed upgrades, either from Hammer or from Chaos.

[past salmon]

Not atm

[summer bluff]

Damn

Time to rush and jump Chronos

[knotty fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/829664956182036492/1252900497531211816/image.png?ex=6673e604&is=66729484&hm=4310eb678bc0f23ca736b8d2b0d0b5b325d771ae1b24d2efe9f43152ff7a1c45& why can't I roll?

[past salmon]

because idk
You just cant roll Charyb door

[bleak night]

Wish I could

[summer bluff]

Also why is || eris || such a ass

[bleak night]

Because she enjoys strife

[thorn dagger]

off-topic, but she is the Strife incarnate, so... what did you expect?

Nobody's answered me before, so I'll ask again:

❓ How do Apollo double attack activations (Extra Dose, Exceptional Talent) work with Argent Skull attacks? Do they take from the pool of existing skulls, or do the attacks trigger an additional time even if there are no skulls left?

It's important to know for things like Full Salvo, or Aspect of Melinoe.

[past salmon]

double attack just triggers the damage blast twice ignores ammo
Legendary ignores ammo too for the omegas

[thorn dagger]

Nice to know! Thanks!

[hollow briar]

Makes more sense when you put it that way, yeah. Still tho, having what’s essentially a non-Magick-reducing version of Zeus’ Gain at Common isn’t anywhere close worth a sixth of your total grasp imo

It costs more than rerolls, for Christ’s sake lmao

[plain fossil]

Hey does anyone know how weak interacts with vow of blood

If not dw i'll test it later just curious

[past salmon]

dunno
Probs just additive wise

although suffering is multiplicative with blood ig

[plain fossil]

Man i hope not its fking horrendous if so

[low bear]

wow I just went back to 32F after doing higher fear for so long, it's fun being able to just take whatever you want lol

just had a Momus run where I scoured the Tart siderooms to get Apollo legendary

[past salmon]

its nice isnt it

and then you go do a lowfear run get hit 10 times in every room and be like "wow, I am not dead 19 times over"

[low bear]

not needing to reset every other Erebus run, what a concept

[low bear]

having healing back is kinda crazy

"wait I'm not constantly in fear of dying?"

"oh blood actually does something"

I wish I could have gotten Giga + Powershot + Double Moonburst and Apollo Lego

Also something high fear players never see:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/978667623090905138/1252920737711390783/Screenshot_1846.png?ex=6673f8de&is=6672a75e&hm=a703434cf376370564baba1368e41be705770ab7e9ff387f3c7d38ecead5af47&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1375&height=772

[bleak night]

I see that wdym, I just have to go back to Hades 1

[low bear]

doing high fear in h2 has me thinking of going back to h1 and trying high heat tbh

I only ever went 32 all aspects there

[past salmon]

I went up to 50 but thats about all I did
And I only did it on the one weapon

its fun
I think I prefer H2 high fear tho?

Havent done h1 in a while so

[plain fossil]

How fun is giga moonburst man i love it

[low bear]

With Apolllo the range is crazy

[bronze bear]

huh, does high fear disable this room?

[low bear]

no it's just that you'd almost never take side rooms on a 5 min deadline

[bronze bear]

oh is this the one in the last area? makes sense

[low bear]

yup this is Tartarus

[heady hinge]

lim and oros, aspect of pan, poseidon special, hook knives hammer upgrade (the one that makes your special daggers return to you), optional another any special upgrade from hammer, hestia mana recover, cast that turns into a fireball projectile from hestia

[low bear]

huh so mathemtically rareifying born gain is actually better

[plain fossil]

Yes, of course, unless you have very nearly zero mana

[rigid raft]

is it possible to switch magick regen boons? for example from apollo gain -> hera gain mid run?

[astral edge]

yes, if a god offers the replacement boon

[spare kite]

Yeah all cores can be traded

[astral edge]

I don't know what the odds for replacement boons being offered is though

[spare kite]

It was 10% in H1 at least
And forsaking will force them if the cores are chosen to appear

So be sure heph's gain is deleted

[astral edge]

are they not affected by the forsaking nerf/fix from last patch?

[spare kite]

Nope

[bleak night]

I still miss getting easier Lege/Duo

[spare kite]

Duos I haven't had much issues tbh
Legendaries are back to H1 moment tho

Tho ig slightly easier here considering you can reroll locations too

[steel sequoia]

this is funny -1 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1252994204649656361/20240618150645_1.jpg?ex=66743d49&is=6672ebc9&hm=9961f50115abe18c7f1f41be72406067b9ee52452315ac5e4d6af45029d38842&

ive got beaten to hell this run, tried some chaos but she abandoned me https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1252994149456810086/20240619112934_1.jpg?ex=66743d3c&is=6672ebbc&hm=1ff0c515fa94ebd7762267dba1e9992ad69a6181f041650c6b01e7ef0db8bb78&

[past salmon]

+1 mana

[silent crow]

waoh easy sjot did 5000 damage!!! good boon

[steel sequoia]

artemis feels bugged af tho

[low bear]

at -1 mana you effectively have 5050 mana with 100 MP lol

[steel sequoia]

maybe the effect has a high cd or something

[low bear]

misses definitely still happen even tho patch notes said they fixed it

[silent crow]

doesnt the boon suck anyway

[cursive oyster]

so apparently this just unprimes mana every proc

like if you have mana primed from static shock

[true relic]

Is Scorch really bad or is it just me? I love Hestia as a character and she's got some great boons(I just did Eris with her sprint boon and it was hilarious), but Scorch just seems to tick down sooooo slowly. Daggers can put so many stacks of it on people but when you back off and watch how slow the damage ticks it's just...so meh and I want to like it lol. It seems like worse Hangover, and I loved Hangover

[tired fulcrum]

Youre on to something

[true relic]

I don't think I've ever gotten Fire Extinguisher in mannnnnnny runs

[tired fulcrum]

Even with fire extinguisher its just worse splash

[dense moss]

I think Scorch is a super interesting rework of Damage-Over-Time when contrasted against Hangover from H1, but I always feel silly running around waiting for an enemy to succumb to a ton of Scorch

[spare kite]

The best thing you can do to increase the DoT part is getting air quality infusion from zeus

[nova dune]

Scorch is terrible

[spare kite]

But tbh who knows if they'll fix that

[true relic]

I really liked Hangover, from what I remember it ticked down faster(?) or maybe I'm just rose coloured glasses remembering it. Whenever I put Sorch on my daggers basic I think "I could have just done Aphro and 1 shot things"

[tired fulcrum]

Scorch is just delayed splash, hangover was more unique since you didnt need to stack it as much

[true relic]

But hey, that's the good thing about Early Access, maybe they'll hear feedback and change it up

[spare kite]

It has been complained about since like day 1 so surely

[nova dune]

They have the data from the game

Should be easy to see what's underperforming

[true relic]

Ooooo I'll have to try that out. I really just want a run where leaning into Hestia's non supporty-boons feels good

[spare kite]

Tfw air quality works better than her own legendary

[limpid coral]

wait if you input dash -> special on the axe it cancels your iframes?

[low bear]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/978667623090905138/1253029689379917915/image.png?ex=66745e56&is=66730cd6&hm=72915815c312cae60be1e5f3b7de99c9a162a1af2e6465a3f748519f6ef4eee6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1375&height=772

RIP I'm not winning this aren't I?

[silent crow]

i wonder if dash attacks should be given iframes

[tired fulcrum]

If the shield isnt positioned to block the thing it should

[silent crow]

u can tank the deadline

[low bear]

maybe but Chronos stalls way too much

[silent crow]

pan is a good bossing weapon and u have 300hp

[low bear]

phase 1 takes sooo much time

[tired fulcrum]

Most standing combos dont interrupt your dash iframes, its just when you dash strike

[limpid coral]

uh i can't make sense of this sentence pls explain

[low bear]

I would rather fight 2 phase 2s tbh lol

[true relic]

Depends on boons. I got Phoenix Skin once and never lost a DD from just sprinting with Apollo sprint when I needed hp lol

[low bear]

I have 0 healing so that's not possible

well brb about to throw hands with Chronos

I don't have the best hammers either, rng didn't give me hook rip

[tired fulcrum]

Like if you dash and special then something hits you in the back or something like youre interrupting the dash animation so no dash iframes

[limpid coral]

I didn't know you could interrupt dash with special, i thought that was only dash attack jank

Unlucky

[low bear]

okay I lost

Chronos teleports too damn much

also Tart gave me not one but TWO skull rooms

[tired fulcrum]

they should just remove that move

[spare kite]

The time bubbles are so funny cuz he doesn't even attack

[low bear]

yeah it's purely to fricking waste time

and timer keeps running as he transitions to phase 2 as well how great

[tired fulcrum]

When you drop a total eclipse on his face and he just says nope and timebubbles it

[spare kite]

And all the summons in 1st phase also just get stuck on them if they try to attack pretty sure

[low bear]

Phase 1 also has three invul phases UGH

75%, 50% and 25%

[nova dune]

i get they don't want players to just brawl the boss down, but 3 inv on 1 phase is wayyyyy too much

[inland rock]

bruh

[spare kite]

just make chronos start with triple swings and remove the 50% bubble

[low bear]

honestly just give me 2 phase 2s

[inland rock]

my pam build so good i got 100 gold at the infernal troves

its not even at its peak i didnt think to get hestia

[low bear]

you can probably kill Chronos in a minute if he only had 2 phase 2s

[true relic]

Chronos feels better than he did before, but there's still moments where it's like "Well what the heck do you want me to do" in a way that Hades never was. Not like hard/unfair just, weird I guess lol

[past pewter]

You can kill chronos in under a minute rn

[civic ocean]

Takes some getting used to but I don't think anything Chronos does is as terrifying as the jars on the ground when ur tryna go fast

We just have hundreds of fights of exp with Dad

[short kayak]

Maybe wrong chat . Also comment may be pedantic but, with Hades' last gasp it only counts your death defiance uses out of 3. while i restored 3 with Echo giving me a total spent (as its written in last gasp) of 5

[true relic]

That's very fair, I do remember those jars taking a looooot of trial and error then being just scenery eventually lol

[forest hinge]

on Pan omega-special for example, does it treat Poseidon's splashes as omega dmg?

I know that Apollo's solar ring counts as omega dmg for the Death card(+5% omega critchance) but I'm not sure about stuff like Poseidon-splash

[inland rock]

what works well with zeus special on the torches? do i just really need to get a lot of zeus and then another curse boon for origination??

[silent crow]

dont go for more zeus but do go for other curses

[inland rock]

idk, blitz seems to be proccing very slowly though

[spare kite]

Which torches are this

[inland rock]

mel torches

should i go for more hera? i already have born again

[delicate halo]

Zeus just rarely seems worth it. The most sensible way to use Blitz would be to get Zeus on special, something else on attack, and then weave them together. But for most weapons, the attack and the special are useful in different circumstances, and the attack benefits from spamming instead of constantly interrupting it

[gritty mist]

Hey. Whats the point of the "Judgement" Card? It activates 3 Card after defeating a guardian. But there are only 3 Guardians before facing the boss, which makes it 12 (including the 3 active ones from the start). RN i have 15 card from start. That should make that card useless right?

[trim summit]

You can upgrade it to have it activate more cards

[tall notch]

It's pretty much a meme run card

[inland rock]

does keen intution on the torches make it so the fireball itself does more damage or just the first hit of the fire?

[gritty mist]

Ok. So with 2 upgrades its 18. Makes sense.

[trim summit]

Yeah it evens out after biome 2, and after biome 3 boss, more cards become active than you can start with manually. But it’s not an effective strategy because it’s impossible to plan around and you’re quite weak at the start

[gritty mist]

thx

[inland rock]

for aspect of moros was it hera for attack or special ?

[silent crow]

hera atk

[inland rock]

i am so stupid why did i not realize i could just omega the special so i didnt have to attack then special for moros

[silent crow]

imagine mint condition gets nerfed to be DR instead

[inland rock]

oof, hephaestus is alreayd bad enough

[dim kestrel]

it is fun though, if you're just looking to mix things up

but yeah, not optimal by any means

on top of not being able to plan based on Arcana, some of the cards are much less useful activated late than they are to have from the beginning

[inland rock]

OKAY I HEAVILY UNDERESTIMATED THE TORCHES WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH ASPECT OF MOROS

[knotty fulcrum]

yep it's just insane damage

[limpid coral]

moros explode

[spare kite]

Silly aspect

[knotty fulcrum]

I was wondering did anyone get 40+ fear with moros? I know foolish did but anyone else?

[limpid coral]

probably

lotta chinese players

[knotty fulcrum]

I did 43 so maybe I'm still second for that. but yeah probably there are more people

[inland rock]

how do you get rubbish

can you even get it at this point

[knotty fulcrum]

eris throws it on the ground

[inland rock]

bruh

[knotty fulcrum]

to get to eris you have to walk a bit up from where moros is

[inland rock]

OHH THE ERIS THATS NOT A BOSS

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah in home base (crossroads?)

[zenith bolt]

top left in crossroads

just left and up from moros/fated list

[dim kestrel]

well it's the same Eris, but she shows up in the crossroads

[past salmon]

I believe
@low bear did 45F

[forest hinge]

any opinions on concave stone? does it just get outclassed by being able to reroll?

[weak cosmos]

I have successfully made it to chronos on 45 fear without any hammers

[past pewter]

it feels pretty bad because you can’t control when it hits

[forest hinge]

yeah... actually just played a run where i used it, and it procced on Hermes and gave me the O-Cast reduced cost, which was useless for my build

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936359276119736443/1253122279668187267/image.png?ex=6674b491&is=66736311&hm=cf7a6e5aaca22d778e7db79bd7f3e9c478b08148393bddedb974917563af9a74&

I feel like this would be really good, no?

[past pewter]

Very strong duo

[past salmon]

yeh very good boon assuming your cores arent filled yet

[forest hinge]

it prob goes crazy on a Moros build for the attack

[past salmon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJxCsQWKC20&t=16s
Can confirm

[red perch]

aspect of pan builds? or is it just poseidon go brr?

[past salmon]

sort of yeh
You can do scorch ig but scorch is pretty weak
Aphro can work

[red perch]

fasho thanks

[amber osprey]

I like the aspect of pan with the Daedalus upgrade that gives me more projectiles in my special in a circle around me. The only thing is I struggle to charge it all the way up before my special projectiles are redirected to my cast. The cast expires before.

[red perch]

funny, i just got my first hammer, but that one didnt show. i did, however, get thee hammer that makes me charge the special 40% faster, so that might help if i get circle hammer next

[amber osprey]

If I had the Lightning lance with the above Daedalus upgrades and the aspect of pan… plus a special boon like Demeter or Poseidons… that would be really good

[steel sequoia]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1253141520576548937/20240619211422_1.jpg?ex=6674c67c&is=667374fc&hm=7863413533aea5d2d3a42e856873a73bdd4171d0e4452fe0e856616e0afe3f68& hera flames is really good

[strange oxide]

Sorry a little new here, but seems like a good place to ask? I have the hammer upgrade on the staff (aetheric moonburst) that gives a power shot on the omega special. Am I right that it gives the refund of mana before it casts? Because it seems like it stays at -10 max mana.

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230649734008672347/1253154589285548073/image.png?ex=6674d2a8&is=66738128&hm=0252c90aae5631540315f9ff3b16f56e98c991d947cda0ede59eb6fbe9814c88& trial of flame is my fav trial ever

[rich bolt]

Thats why i get hera cast

[spare kite]

what it does is that right before the omega cast is full charged, Mel will flash for a small bit, if you release the special at that moment, you get the extra dmg/mp refund

is the same power shot mechanic from the bow in H1

[rich bolt]

I just completed my last card for 5 nightmare from prophecies

Did it while doing 24 fear blades target too

Activating cards is not bad per guardian

Maybe can activate all cards after cerberus if i max out the insight

[strange oxide]

No I get that, I guess the question is more like order of operations. I cast it at -10 max mana, and it stays at -10 max mana. So it seems like it gives the +20 first, then the -10 for the omega special

[spare kite]

ah I get what you mean now, I haven't tested that

[strange oxide]

Thank you in any case! I'm curious if it means I can do the omega special at 0 mana, but I assume it checks mana before it would let it go

[tired fulcrum]

I think i tried that once and it didnt work

[iron ember]

hey so i think i found the true use of the blitz attack?

Use thunder ring, and repeatedly recast blitz as it is used up by said ring. it activates, like, a billion times. currently using this on a persephone skull of argent build and its fricken phenomenal. anyone else try this?

[tired fulcrum]

Youd prob do more damage omega specialling during your cast with a decent %

Only problem is if you have witch time arcana charging up the omega special nerfs zeus cast damage

[ruby copper]

Witch time arcana is so good. Especially if the ability to buff crit chance is guarenteed with it

That and the daggers legit just nukes boss health bars. Didnt even have any kind of base attack boost from boons. Only buff I had was a +20% from the hera passive for not having common boons

[iron ember]

no offense but like

TONs of builds are viable at 0 fear so im not sure i would focus on that

[ruby copper]

I mean, it wasnt at 0 fear. I do see what you are saying tho

Frankly I think its just that you get so many attacks with the daggers that your crit chance is likely to happen once at least at some point in your attack cycle and thats why its strong

Vs the axe weapons which have 4 per attack cycle, the daggers have like 10

[iron ember]

i do think charon axe is some pretty unparalleled stuff tbh

[ruby copper]

And frankly witch time as a whole is just strong I feel like because it just takes the speed out of everything barring the final fight for however long duration you have and having more reaction time is really good

[tired fulcrum]

Do you mean pressure points or something

[iron ember]

i also really like the circe staff but everyone does

[analog ether]

Damn, got super lucky and wrecked a run with Air Fryer.

Heroic Zeus Cast, lvl 3, before I even left Erebus

[ruby copper]

Charon Axe is pretty good. Its pure magic optimization and the axe is one of the better weapons imo

Same with Circe honestly since you are always spamming it

[bleak night]

Charon is nice, yeah. I like that there's an option for heavy ranged gameplay

[ruby copper]

I personally like Thanatos because it takes the main downside of the axe and makes it less of a downside to almost a non issue. Plus you get added crit chance to your omega moves

[bleak night]

I build them differently based on the attack speed and power archetypes, yeah

[ruby copper]

Oh for sure

[warped topaz]

when it comes to gathering from chaos, is there a gathering tool that will boost the chances of obtaining ||darkness||?

[spare kite]

praying (no)

[warped topaz]

getting that last grasp upgrade is going to be a drag isn't it...

agh

[steel sequoia]

i have 180hs i cant even remember that anymore lol

[limpid coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/885007146981396480/1253169228756947006/image.png?ex=6674e04a&is=66738eca&hm=9c40573327931e77024fd900318ab9d963508a698919f0c115af093946a1f75c& pin has saved me from 3 crits in oceanus now maaaaan

[tired fulcrum]

Where are your cores

[limpid coral]

good question

possessed array is my cores

[tired fulcrum]

Storm ringless persephone

Oh that helps

[limpid coral]

i would've taken zeus into oceanus if i thought i would survive without pin lol

80!

well hearth gain is here to give me damage

[stuck umbra]

why is it 270 for a boon???

[limpid coral]

+80% shop price curse for 2 points

[stuck umbra]

oh

[limpid coral]

i probably have to keep pin on for fields cause man I'm not playing well lol

[steel sequoia]

ive drop a persephone run i couldnt get anything, all my rerolls and it gave me nothing lmao, sometimes it just RNGs you

[ruby copper]

ngl, I dont like the skulls.

[limpid coral]

ah, preserved hope in the post boss chamber is here to save me

[ruby copper]

Dunno if its just how I play but they just feel super constrictive

[past salmon]

[limpid coral]

i got crit for 48 encounter 1 lets gooooo

[bleak night]

[past salmon]

[civic ocean]

damn skull hate on the rise

[steel sequoia]

i dont like skulls either, i tolerate persephone bc she is the best and cast buff

[bleak night]

But fr Skull is really fun though, just gotta pretend they're low to medium range rather than long range

[past salmon]

IM IN SHAMBLES

The skull hate must stop

[steel sequoia]

i mean i dont like any staffs rn so they are in a worse spot

[limpid coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/885007146981396480/1253171605904035850/image.png?ex=6674e281&is=66739101&hm=0de3b347a41b776ad877c31b9695de3270030472603373a94244280b7fd6debb& Still alive

[ruby copper]

See, the staffs I cope with by just spamming the special on them

[limpid coral]

Alright it is time to have 75% dodge

[ruby copper]

And just have orbiting death bombs

Since the main attack is only good for getting the omega attack

[steel sequoia]

they arent good and fun to play anyways

[ruby copper]

I'll give you that. I used them until I got the aspects unlocked and got the daggers and axe pretty levelled up

[steel sequoia]

maybe ill have to play some mel but im pretty sure they are the most boring weap

[limpid coral]

ok... do I keep pin for tartarus

or do I take blackened fleece cause it says I've taken 799 damage 💀

ngl I don't trust myself to play the rooms properly and I somehow have 0 earth so pin is probably the play

[steel sequoia]

fleece is the best for chronos

[tired fulcrum]

Id keep pin

[spare kite]

same

[sly turret]

pin

[steel sequoia]

i basically use fleece ~80% of time lmao but im not a crazy high fear player

[spare kite]

unless your dmg is that bad that +40% saves it

[limpid coral]

don't think chronos will be the problem cause I still have no special boon and just a common flutter strike lol all my damage is storm ring

[tired fulcrum]

Pin is also free 10 seconds of pure dps

Unless you happen to get bonked right before chrono teleports or phase changes

[limpid coral]

Going with pin cause i don't want to get 168!

[tired fulcrum]

Ngl i wouldve rerolled or skipped hestia lol

Well ig her gain would be fine for perseph

[limpid coral]

man why can skulls just dash straight through cast

[spare kite]

the ~~ honey badger~~ skull doesn't care

[analog ether]

I prefer Hestia gain over Hera.

[silent crow]

why.

[analog ether]

I know Hera is better.

It's just a personal vibe for me that I don't like having my mana steadily constricted.

[alpine topaz]

how do i build around aspect of medea? i hear these people hyping it up but i just don't know what to do with it

[analog ether]

Aphro in attack, special, or both.

[silent crow]

zeus special, aphrodite/hera/apollo/demeter attack, use huntress arcana with vow of panic for extra dmg

[limpid coral]

bruh i got 168! right at the end of the last room

rip preserved hope

[silent crow]

ur main struggle with medea will be not trying to kill yourself hitting enemies with it tho

[alpine topaz]

thats so smart ive never thought of that

what makes zeus special good

why not demeter special aphro attack or something

[limpid coral]

special hits and applies blitz then your ammo blows up and activates it

[analog ether]

Having Aphro cast with Demeter cast cyclone and Origin basically means insta-death for anything inside it.

[silent crow]

if you load one attacj into the special and dash through smth then blitz will proc

[alpine topaz]

smart idea

[alpine topaz]

ill try this out

[silent crow]

which is like 200ish dmg per special if you scale up properly

[alpine topaz]

do you ever omega special or just stick to the normal one

[silent crow]

normal

[analog ether]

I love going full Meteor build for bosses.

[limpid coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/885007146981396480/1253177494794932315/image.png?ex=6674e7fd&is=6673967d&hm=2813394cad8f46fd42d84a8d851a2e5859a53b311dcc4ca2c7ad942e75d80b3a& had to dash a nuke cause there were too many hourglasses in the way lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/885007146981396480/1253177710180569109/image.png?ex=6674e831&is=667396b1&hm=93ddcaa1cfb7a917e97f35939fdcf15609dfd290b27e9544de4a711c0dc367a4& 168!

[spare kite]

Just a little love tap

[limpid coral]

I'm tempted to just run pin from start to finish and take whatever random boons get offered

[analog ether]

Just have the Chronos Staff Testament to do, and those will be done.

Been a while since I thought about any Staff builds. Suggestions?

[alpine topaz]

does full salvo go well with aspect of medea

[limpid coral]

Get an attack hammer and put blitz on it or something 👍

Rapid wicked mirrored thrasher all three of them are broken

[alpine topaz]

i cleared the staff testament with momus apollo sepcial plus the appollo legandary

[spare kite]

Not really

[alpine topaz]

but this might be harder now with the change to vow or forsaking

[analog ether]

It's good for bosses, especially if you can get bolstered array as well. Against most things though, it's overkill, but that's okay.

[limpid coral]

Circe is good if you don't take panic and watch your mana cause every so often you get to spam charge attack which is really strong

Momus is momus

[alpine topaz]

my beloved

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1051942150025269309/1250001331415027802/Hades_II_2024-06-11_01-15-06_-_Trim.mp4?ex=66748eb5&is=66733d35&hm=73dcf632d9b858b0925bf58f0fad959c53745b979e80b241943245e6c8368d79& can confirm

[limpid coral]

Thats all three isnt it

[analog ether]

Yeah.... people who can i-frame that insta-kill are something else.

[limpid coral]

i mean all you do is press dash when the thing flash white

[tired fulcrum]

Yep

[limpid coral]

just don't click attack in the meantime 👍

[analog ether]

My timing ain't that good.

[tired fulcrum]

You can keep clicking attack if youre doing standing attacks

[limpid coral]

oh really, that's nice to know

[tired fulcrum]

Unlike dash strikes they dont interrupt iframes, your attack just gets stuck at the end

Pretty helpful with axe against poly shock waves

[tired fulcrum]

The timing is a lot more generous now, the hitbox used to linger requiring very strict timing but it got nerfed

[silent crow]

they should buff it again its too easy imo

[tired fulcrum]

Imo its fair since if you screw up the timing you get nuked

[silent crow]

i guess but idk still feels kinda wrong

[tired fulcrum]

#h2-feedback message @gray dune thats probably because youre out of mana

ig it does give a bit too large of a window to wack him

Tho the suck attack gives an even bigger one

[analog ether]

Do we think that we'll get an upgraded boss Vow later on? Those were fun in the first game.

[tired fulcrum]

Hoe do i get chronos to spam the succ instead of throwing his scythe in my face and spamming teleports

[analog ether]

I wonder what kind of boss upgrades could there be.

Scylla I think would be all three of them getting their Featured Artist attacks in the second phase, with the actual Featured getting an additional thing.

[alpine topaz]

hecate she could do two attacks at the same time like the three beams plus the circles

[gray dune]

ohhhhh im so out of it lol thx

[analog ether]

Hecate... maybe permanent triple body, and being able to swap which one is real?

[low bear]

I can almost guarantee it

[limpid coral]

hecate does nothing but triple divide to kill you by timer

[low bear]

I'm eagerly awaiting how hard Scylla's songs will go with EM2

[limpid coral]

death metal from necrodancer but it's a girl band

BATHE IN FIRE!

[low bear]

Mel diss track #2

[analog ether]

Cerberus, dunno what other attacks he could have, but maybe a lot of fire terrain effects? I know that's a little more Eris's current thing, but the bestest boy does have a lot of fire attacks, in a very flammable wheat field.

[limpid coral]

Im sure sgg will cook up something

[low bear]

Cerberus does triple divide to waste your time too

[spare kite]

EM eris is my highest expectation atm

[limpid coral]

Chronos triple divide. Three old mans teleporting around

[low bear]

vow that makes all enemies do triple divide to waste your time

[limpid coral]

thats basically revs if you squint hard enough

[low bear]

I hate revs

I hope they get reworked somewhat

[analog ether]

I don't even want to imagine a triple divide Eris. That would be a true nightmare.

[low bear]

increase pickup radius, and allow the next wave to spawn even when there are still revs on screen

[low bear]

just Hestia sprint innit

[spare kite]

Just give me transistor's turn() each time a rev spawns

[limpid coral]

the last live enemy spawning a rev is just..maaaan

[low bear]

also if there are no more spawns and there are only revs left, the encounter should finish and all revs disappear

those things would make revs so much less painful

[analog ether]

Yeah, you don't wanna pick Fury at the same time then.

[alpine topaz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/992634016454946845/1253192818004852757/image.png?ex=6674f643&is=6673a4c3&hm=b7bb8f62f56d7abb8e273ff338509d074653ecb6f6169b24fe656e25e1d81bc2&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=309

insane 1 fear run, medea really fun would try again

[analog ether]

Question: how does the Chaos curse Rejected (one fewer boons are available to choose from) interact with Forsaking?

[trim summit]

Honestly I feel like Revs are fine unless you’re running high fear in which case it’s unforgiving af

They milk timer so hard, like it would be fine if they instantly respawned or had no physics

[limpid coral]

revs 2 makes even the 7 minute timer scary in erebus sometimes

[bronze bear]

Do Chaos 120 sec curses only count in encounters? Is it frozen even when the timer is ticking in between encounters, such as while I am running around blindly in the 3rd area?

[tired fulcrum]

I dont think it pauses in between encounters

[nocturne flint]

how do i post a screen shot here?

[low bear]

the rejected also gets forsaken

[analog ether]

Whoof.

[tired fulcrum]

Post it somewhere else then copy the link

[nocturne flint]

any recommendations on how to access the link for it?

[bleak night]

On discord? Open the image onto your browser and copy the link

[tired fulcrum]

Either dm a bot or put it in a private server then copy the link

[nocturne flint]

alr thank you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/902758325916139530/1253218075474657341/Screenshot_2024-06-20_145035.png?ex=66750dc8&is=6673bc48&hm=ff8b700598d69b10ab13e9e8bd0c1d8cbde9ef6d7e60eb4504d015ddabb69dd7& My second time beating Chronos still had 2 death defiance left and my highest dmg per hit was 2.7k

[bleak night]

Oooh, nice

[bronze bear]

Echo's 50% dodge seems insane at high fear, it's basically "Get 10-20 death defiances". Does it get consumed by non-damaging succ effects the way Lovers does?

Is anyone else experiencing Born Gain not activating in the very first room of the run? I have to refill at the Magick fountain every run since Omegas just fail instead of triggering Born Gain

[past salmon]

Bit of an overstatement but yeah it's very good

At the end of the day, if you have 0 DDs, you would rather the 100% chance to take 3 hits than the 50% to live a hit each time

[ashen perch]

White antler users do you guys just carry it until end of game? I feel like I get whacked once by chronos once and lose a DD

[low bear]

that's why you should have trusty, mint, and maybe winter coat

and Lovers Arcana of course

otherwise the goal is to melt Chronos before he has too many chances to damage you

[bronze bear]

has anyone defeated 32+ fear Chronos without taking any damage? his stage 2 is always too crowded for me to avoid damage entirely even with a ranged build

[past salmon]

My 50F Moros Chronos is damageless although not hitless.
Lovers arcana eats a few hits

[wild pine]

Once

[bronze bear]

is it possible to learn this power?

[low bear]

Turn on Full Vow of Suffering and you'll learn how to watch out for tells of enemies and read their moveset

and the other vow that makes enemies deal +100% damage

[tired fulcrum]

real

[bronze bear]

I struggle with Chronos and Tempus most

[wicked cliff]

i have thoughts on flick knives

[past salmon]

Tempus moment

[low bear]

I just try to have so much damage that Chronos dies before Tempus becomes an issue

[wicked cliff]

it's weird to have a attack button spawn my special

[past salmon]

So true

[low bear]

I think it's a really cool idea tbh, but flick knives sucks because dagger normals and dash strike sucks lol

and not worth a hammer when there are much better ones out there

[past salmon]

Honestly I didn't mind getting flick knives on 45F Pan
I think it's a little underappreciated

[low bear]

you press your attack with Pan?

[past salmon]

Like there are better options but it's not the worst thing in the world

[past salmon]

I mean when Magick isn't limitless

And only when I have flick knives.
It's good burst

[wicked cliff]

when the born gain hits

[low bear]

ah fair I guess, I always try to get magic as soon as possible

[past salmon]

Pan struggles to get out of Erebus on born gain start at high fear in my experience
You just do nothing without like poseidon

[low bear]

yeah you need both Pos and Mana/Gain to get going

sometimes I dabble with Unseen just so it's not so painful

[past salmon]

Unseen is so bad tho 😭
It needs it's value like doubled

[low bear]

value doubled or grasp halved true

tbh I think some sort of mana regen should be an innate ability instead of an arcana card (same with DDs)

but Unseen and non-born gain boon can pair nicely to solve my mana issues well enough

[robust prism]

yeah I kept having this problem when I was trying to use the charon special and had vow of panic on

[wicked cliff]

i just picked up hook knives and i revise my opinion

[robust prism]

oh?

[wicked cliff]

hehe ninja powers

[robust prism]

is that combo actually good?

[wicked cliff]

it looks pretty swag

[robust prism]

but yeah I really like the idea of flick knives but it needs a major buff to be viable

[wicked cliff]

hmm... echo probably shouldn't be able to award boons that have prerequisites; i just got second strike on a build with no zeus

[low bear]

I really like when attacks and specials are mixed in general, gives you a lot mroe to think about with boon and hammer combinations and stuff

I think it would be badass if staff had a hammer that every attack you did also fired off a special at the tip

[tender anvil]

I actually prefer the other way around - when you focus on one of them, and stack it to the max. Aspects like Pan, Charon, Meli Skulls, old Eos

[low bear]

those are cool too but variety is nice

in general I like encouraging the use of your full kit

[tender anvil]

It’s nice that there are 15 (and will be 24) aspects

[low bear]

like Axe block is useful even if you're going full attack

[tender anvil]

Charon is my game, attack might as well not exist

But in reality, I just have trouble with complex rotations at high heat. Too much to pay attention to as it is

[past salmon]

I personally like pressing multiple buttons
Probs why medea Moros are my favourites

[tender anvil]

I might just be bad tbh

[low bear]

the only thing I don't like about Medea is how slow the skulls load

wish it loaded faster

[heady hinge]

i think u can fix that with cone attack? It would instantly load all bullets but not actually shoot them until you collide

but then you could get more bullets or additional explosion on bullet pickup

[low bear]

yeah I know Full Salvo can help but getting a hammer isn't the most consistent solution

also I'd really rather get possessed or bolstered

also has anyone done 45F New Momus or any staff? Honestly it sounds painful

[past salmon]

Yeh simply dont use ur aspect 😭

[knotty fulcrum]

I reached chronos 2 times I think

It's just super rng to get a good hammer early

[low bear]

yeah you'd pretty much want 2x attack start prolly

but even then I still struggled on my 42F run

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah or rapid slasher ig

[past salmon]

I keep seeing people saying this but I dont get it
Are people just sitting there loading all 3 skulls before specialing?

[low bear]

I don't because it's slow

[past salmon]

well yeah its inefficient anyway

[low bear]

that's why I wish it were faster

[past salmon]

You should be loading 1 skull and using special right after

[low bear]

yeah but loading 2 or 3 would be cool

it just feels good loading a full array and slamming it into an enemy sometimes

[bronze bear]

Is there something I'm missing? https://i.imgur.com/41iciT6.png

[past salmon]

did you get storm ring after proper upbringing

[bronze bear]

yeah

is proper upbringing not supposed to apply to future boons?

[past salmon]

from echo or smth?
It should make all boon choices that appear rare but if you get it from something weird they can be common

[knotty fulcrum]

maybe you had a chaos curse that makes every boon common?

[bronze bear]

no I got proper upbringing in erebus, storm ring from a mourning fields miniboss

[bronze bear]

oh wait yeah that's it

I didn't know that supersedes hera

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah it's a bit wierd

[plain fossil]

Hera infusion is coded as 2 effects

1. when it activates, it makes all ur common boons rare

2. all boons that you can select are at least rare

[past salmon]

Yeah so how hera infusion works is it will rarify everything you currently have and then make all future boon rewards rare at minimum
I guess Chaos curse overrites that and makes them appear common

[plain fossil]

Chaos curse overwrites 2)

Rare crop and bridal glow also overwrite hera infusion when they make boons common

Someone on here said u can re-rarify them by disabling the infusion and re-enabling it but i never tested that because its a huge PITA to test without mods

[knotty fulcrum]

how could you disable it? ig nem could take one of your booons

[plain fossil]

I think 45f mana momus is possible i just need to suck less with timer

[past salmon]

Boon swap lose the earth

[knotty fulcrum]

oh yeah ok

[past salmon]

or yeah nem ig

[plain fossil]

No clicky onion no clicky rebuke

[past salmon]

I lost Coarse Grit to a forced boon swap in my 45F Moros was so fire

when I say forced I mean im stupid and forgor forsaking is like a thing

[bronze bear]

a forced boon swap? Hestia?

[plain fossil]

Im currently doing 5:30 to 5:45 erebus on momus which is too slow i think a better player can consistently do 5min 2rev without eating a ton of damage

[plain fossil]

Na he just failed pencil meta

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1253286244465770496/image.png?ex=66754d45&is=6673fbc5&hm=a320239ba19bcdec8ea50b1d2fd2dc5c77a98d09398e376d87c0a3799f96f20f&
I simply did an oopsy @bronze bear

[low bear]

Interesting start I thought of for 45F Pan:

Hecate keepsake start and fish for Poseidon start

Try to get born gain somewhere in Erebus

[past salmon]

This is what Twoeleven was trying for 50F sort of

[bronze bear]

oh so you lost an earth?

[past salmon]

Apparently it sucked 💀

[past salmon]

yeh lol

[low bear]

What made it suck

[plain fossil]

Well he was also on panic for 50f which makes wheel way worse

[low bear]

Oh well yeah panic 50f lmao

[past salmon]

I mean he had Unseen on which is clearly OP so

but yeah would probs work fine at 45F lmao

[low bear]

You'd need unseen too and starting with 0 sucks

[tender anvil]

45 can skip Panic and onion, and with enough luck get Poseidon+Hera like room 3

[low bear]

Wtf Nem just stole my Chaos gate

[tender anvil]

Or an early hammer, poseidon room 3 and Hera room 5ish. Think that’s how my 45 Pan went

[low bear]

Didn't know she could stral that lmao

[past salmon]

should of gotten there quicker silly

[low bear]

Yeah but it didn't know she could even take Chaos lol

[plain fossil]

She can do whatever the most annoying thing possible is at that given moment

Like bodyblock u so that u take 112!

Or bodyblock ur projectiles so the shark doesnt die and u take 112!

[low bear]

Welo that's a reset then lmao thank you Nem

[bronze bear]

damn Charon's Omega special does massive work with the "Fires twice" hammer too

I don't think I could go back to other weapons, they're gonna feel like glass peashooters next to this guy

[low bear]

Moros will make Charon look like a Peashooter

[rich bolt]

whats better dps artemis or melinoe for daggers ?

[low bear]

okay I tried out 45F Hecate start it's still miserable

having to give up Panic and taking even 1 revenant sucks

[past salmon]

45F daggers is the only reason im not going for 45F all weapons streak atm lmao

[low bear]

oh really? for me it's the staff keeping me

[past salmon]

I can do Axe Skull Torches easily enough
Staff is just do it first and reset for hammers
Daggers is miserable

[low bear]

do you run magicless staff?

[past salmon]

yeh its the easiest for high fear

[low bear]

interesting so is it pos atk + static shock?

[past salmon]

basically yeah
You can just go full Zeus aswell
Poseidon attack isnt necessary

[low bear]

I got close with 45F Pan last night but I had a minute left before Chronos so rip lol

if I had gotten Hook knives instead of FLICK KNIVES in Fields I would have won probably

oh also Tart gave me TWO SKULL ROOMS in a row

[bleak night]

Do people have a proper use for Flick Knives yet ?

I'd think it'd be better if the dash attack on that weapon wasn't so bad

[plain fossil]

its not awful if ur playing zero mana blades

gives u some coverage and compensates for the crappy dash attack

zero mana blades doesnt have a ton of hammers so ive clicked it a few times there

the problem is then ur playing zero mana blades with all its problems

[bleak night]

Yeesh, tough weapon then

[bronze bear]

damn I used to think daggers were the strongest, with hookshot and poseidon cast on Pan blades

I don't anymore but I'm surprised it's bottom 2

[past salmon]

What makes you say its bottom 2?
Like I'm not necessarily saying its not but

[bronze bear]

I don't have an opinion on it, I'm going off what you said that daggers is miserable

I haven't tried daggers at 40+ fear to have an opinion on it myself

[past salmon]

They are
But ig it also depends on how you rank a weapons strength

Like I would argue pan is one of the strongest aspects at lower fear
And its still very good for speedruns too

I personally tend to rank weapons on how they deal with high fear, but thats because I mostly play high fear
As such daggers are the worst for me

[carmine mural]

Been enjoying the skull a lot recently. Unsure which aspect to unlock though. Do you have any recommendations?

[past salmon]

Medea is my personal favourite skull but its really just preference

#h2-discussion message
If you want to see my thoughts on all of the skull aspects

[carmine mural]

👍

[bronze bear]

Is there a place to read guidelines on submitting high fear runs? what's "Src" in the submission form? and do I need to start recording from when I die, or can I start the recording from when Melinoe spawns back in next to Frinos?

[past salmon]

src is just a link to the run, most people put it on YT
Your recording needs to include from your previous death all the way up to your next run for unseeded runs

its important the actual death is shown to prove its unseeded

[bronze bear]

alright, time to throw a run

[past salmon]

ofc the game is still in early access and the leaderboard isnt really official, they will accept most things atm

I think my 48F Mel skulls on the leaderboards dont actually show a death, they arent very strict atm

[bronze bear]

the vercel ones are the high fear runs leaderboard right?

[bleak night]

They take anything rly lol

[past salmon]

yeh

[bronze bear]

alright thanks

goddamn just 1 blue shield already makes axe so much slower

[bleak night]

True

[carmine mural]

Yeah axe struggles a lot with anything that doesn't get 1-shot lol

Armor my beloathed

[iron ember]

Does Spiteful Strength still work with Hephaestus' attack?

[spare kite]

no

[iron ember]

ok thx

i do like spiteful strength so im gonna stick with it. using aspect of mellinoe skull of argent

HEROIC WEED KILLER LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO B>

[steel sequoia]

spitefull is better in most times, if you dont have a heph with 2-4s and vent is probably not worth to grab it

[past salmon]

Spiteful is just better than Heph cores fullstop
Heph cores are pretty poo atm imo

[steel sequoia]

idk how they will balance that but yeah its poor, my last L was bc of that

not even hammers compensate the lack of dmg

[limpid coral]

Into fields with blitz strike and freeze ring with mirrored thrasher (manaless), do I take pin or like heph keepsake hm

[hollow stag]

Pan Knives probably do well on Surface due to Icarus’ +20 Power Special boon

[limpid coral]

Already locked in apollo zeus and demeter so not much chance at funny earth infusion

Probably just take pin to save revives for tartarus lul

[iron ember]

i CANNOT find death defiance chaos boon no matter how hard i try. ive been saving up extra nightmares while i've been looking for it. and i have 30! if that tells you anything!

[steel sequoia]

its a legendary boon, i think if you lose 2-3 defiances before entering the chaos you get it eventually, sometimes i find it lmao.

[limpid coral]

cleaning up my chronos fights, if i can burst down the second half of phase 2 quickly enough nothing really happens so its super simple to dodge everything

[iron ember]

do you NEED to lose defiances?

[limpid coral]

no

[steel sequoia]

i dont think so, but might help

[iron ember]

i dont know why it might help

[past salmon]

I dont think it helps at all

[iron ember]

but basically this prophecy is impossible

ive finished everything but this one

[past salmon]

I didnt see Chaos Legendary until like 110hrs lol

Same with hermes

[iron ember]

it cant just be rng

[limpid coral]

its rng

[past salmon]

it is just rng

[steel sequoia]

i enter chaos a lot, like at least 2 times per run, and i sometimes find it. but than i have 170hs of playtime

[iron ember]

ive gotten it before i just didnt pick it. ma ybe its because i am using tuula

[limpid coral]

if u see a chaos room 1 enter it and give up if u don't roll into it (take embryo)

[past salmon]

yeh ive seen it a bit more since then
It just shows up sometimes and im like oh ok then

[past salmon]

tuula wont affect it
Its just straight up RNG

[iron ember]

1. one of its requirements is having other chaos boons

[limpid coral]

thats why i said take embryo

[iron ember]

2. im pretty sure the chaos boons are predetermined based on each run

[limpid coral]

supposedly it isn't

[iron ember]

okay i can try that

[limpid coral]

well, if you enter it twice and see the exact same offers on each roll then it is and I'm wrong

[steel sequoia]

i resigned one run and lost the chaos buff, when i replayed i didnt saw the caos gate anymore in erebus, idk how that works but i usually spend 1-3 dices on chaos to get a reasonable buff. most times are helpfull

[limpid coral]

was the chaos gate room 1?

[steel sequoia]

na

3-5 cant remember, but i didnt saw it again

[limpid coral]

yea afaik its like room 1 is the same seed but after that you'd have to do the exact same stuff to get the same rng outcomes in future rooms

[heavy palm]

Not really. The way randomness works is that "the same run" (e.g.a run started again after quitting) starts with the same random "seed". In the first few chambers, this can result in very similar things (that are based on randomness) happening, but it very quickly diverges because some randomness will change based on how you fight enemies, pick up consumables or destroy scenery etc. So yes, a chaos gate in the first 1 or 2 chambers may seem to be indentical, but a chaos gate in Oceana definitely won't be.

[bronze bear]

yeah by room 3 I can get 2 futures doing largely similar things

[iron ember]

I'm just done farming for that specific chaos boom

I've gotten literally everything else

Finished every challenge, gotten like 123 shadows

30 nightmares, 63 nectar, at least 100 tears from the mourning fields

I'm going to go insane if I do five more runs and don't get the chaos boon

I was going to get 100 of everything but uhh. Nah

[low bear]

Try buying the charon well item for increased rarity too

And get divinity online

[steel sequoia]

if i print here yall gonna hospitalize me

[low bear]

Those affect Chaos afaik

Tho it is rare, I can only recall like 3 instances where I got the extra DD

[iron ember]

???

I'm probably just going to wait for them to make a new updates

And as previously mentioned if I get denied by the RNG God even more I'm going to have a mental breakdown

If it was just about removing things from the pool I could probably do it pretty easily but you can get the same blessing over and over

[tender anvil]

Just discovered a bug, helpful for high fears - Winter Coat (while active) prevents death from tight deadline. There might be more preconditions to that (i’ll test), but something to keep in mind for those 5 min Erebus sprints

[cunning pollen]

Chaos' legendary has an extremely low chance of spawning, about 2 percent naturally

[tender anvil]

Might be the case of me being at 1 hp with Winter Coat before the deadline started ticking

[cunning pollen]

Also there is a 30 chance for something remaining in the pool even if you take it

[past salmon]

What are you currently working on my best friend

[bronze bear]

man I can't even get to Hecate within 5 minutes above 45F on Charon

[tender anvil]

Actually trying unseeded Meli 50 flames lol. I must be a masochist

[past salmon]

That's fire actually.
Goodluck!!

I'm chilling out atm until next patch
Then I'm gonna move onto above 50F and grind out a win

[bronze bear]

guess it's time to move on and see what this Moros train is all about

[tender anvil]

I successfully overtimed by like 2 minutes in Erebus on last run

Demeter best girl

[past salmon]

That's funny lol

[tender anvil]

I really want to give Meli Skulls a proper 50 try, but that’s got to be seeded as a proof of concept

And Persephone-Zeus sounds like fun, finally a chance to level that zeus bangle

Actually I’m somewhat of a skull enjoyer myself!

[past salmon]

I did a couple runs of Meli skulls 50 the other day.

Had some success with Zeus start actually, like 4 fields entries in not many attempts but I was playing pretty poor so

They all kinda just died in fields 💀

[tender anvil]

I had the weirdest fields in my Meli runs

After the first 2-reward room, I wasn’t offered an elite room (only another 2-reward big room), and after that second big room an elite room (instead of usual Echo)

Safe to say, that run was dead from all the extra time and lack of echo boon

[paper tapir]

are there any use for stardust besides moon dusts? if there arent im going ball on it instead of piling it up

[spare kite]

Pet treats

[paper tapir]

ah ur right, guess ill prioritize that for abit

[bronze bear]

oh I lied I think 48F Charon is possible

[bleak night]

Oooh glgl

[bleak night]

Ooh are you attempting ?

I wanna try 48 Charon myself, but I think it's a bit of a headache

[spare kite]

Is 48 no rebuke

[bleak night]

Yep, onion start so def rough

[bronze bear]

yeah just gotta reroll for Born Gain by third room instead

[bleak night]

Could also Artificer it if lucky enough

[bronze bear]

oh man that's too unlikely for me to go after lol

[bleak night]

True, and yet it'll also give you the tools you need early on should you get lucky. And since dying in Erebus is quite normal, we'd have a lot of chances for it I'd imaginr

[bronze bear]

toula is killing me

kills a mob while I have the inferno-bomb curse so I die while charging special against a clump of mobs

[true relic]

For aspect of Moros if I wanted to buff the aoe of the explosion with Apollo would I go for special or basic? It technically uses both moves to do, but it's the special detonating the basic, so I'm guessing basic

[split thorn]

Would Heph Sprint explode twice if paired with Chain Reaction? (Heph+Hestia Duo)

[bronze bear]

I doubt it will since it's not an unlock req for the duo

[spare kite]

doesn't really have a cooldown either

[silent crow]

basic yes

[low bear]

damn it Chaos just screwed me

[true relic]

@silent crow Cheers

[low bear]

I got Favor from Embryo and literally every boon I had in Oceanus was epic

primed my mana to hell in my 45F Pan run lmao

[steel sequoia]

its funny but i know how it hurts

[timber pawn]

I believe this did work at some point, I do not know if it works today

[bronze bear]

I've seen more Frinos than Toula at 45+ fear videos

saw one madman intentionally take 88 damage in room 1 to activate white antler

[steel sequoia]

i believe people have done anything at this point, even playing ionic gain scorch

[split thorn]

I'm trying it now but for some reason, it does not appear. I'm on my 2nd run and got other duo boons except chain reaction

[regal bough]

Anyone have a preferred 32F Vow setup for the first few attempts at it?

[tender anvil]

Ok, Winter Coat definitely prevents you from dying to tight deadline

So any weapon can do Erebus 5m, as long as you don’t get hit

[civic ocean]

you just stay at 1 or what

[tender anvil]

Yeah

[spare kite]

deadline doesn't disable the coat?

[civic ocean]

does this also work for Lovers or no

[tender anvil]

It didn’t for me, on several separate occasions

[spare kite]

sgg why

[tired fulcrum]

Wait really

[civic ocean]

Because deadline isn't damage

[tired fulcrum]

So its just divine protection

[limpid coral]

after you get hit and lose the coat the deadline starts hitting u?

[civic ocean]

It subtracts HP

Deadline keeps dmging u when you have Engraved pin active for instance

[tender anvil]

Yeah, then you die rapidly

[civic ocean]

It doesn't actually deal damage (probably so that you can't like parry it with Art)

[tender anvil]

It’s actually the same for Mint Condition, only it’s kinda useless at it’s just the start of the battle

[bronze bear]

Erebus always takes me so long that this bug might be gamechanging

[tender anvil]

I’ve also noticed Winter Coat is ticked off before Lovers, so it really has to be no hit to survive

[tender anvil]

Yeah, likewise lol

I’ll try and post a video, but it will take me a bit

[tender anvil]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dawXZW0bjvo&feature=youtu.be

[limpid coral]

5️⃣

that is some spaghetti code in action

[tender anvil]

I’ve spent half the vid contemplating boon choice, but you can see that’s two rooms (and one boss kill) while at 0 timer

More reason to run Earth trio! It really can’t get any better

[tired fulcrum]

Time to do 55 fear with this, just never get hit

[limpid coral]

its basically pin, if u get hit u have to beat the timer

[wind kettle]

does this? https://imgur.com/CLAYD7j work with possessed array hammer from skull, if u dont have any mana?

[limpid coral]

yes

[tired fulcrum]

idk why they thought 0 delay possessed array was a good idea

[wind kettle]

ok i just got all 4 defiances refilled by echo

will this be my 45fear run

[tired fulcrum]

They also buffed skull omega attack power and aoe right so thats 3 whole buffs for the hammer

[wind kettle]

got to tartarus with all dds up, mint condition from heph, a little extra armor from him and the pin

do i swap out the pin?

[tired fulcrum]

If your dps is good then like pin is enough to do a whole phase

[hollow briar]

It was slightly undercooked imo with how long you had to wait pre-buff, but now it’s absolutely insane lol

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah like it should have like half damage or something

Old possessed was really good if you had bolstered

[forest hinge]

Is earth trio just Hera/dem/heph for support boons? Or is it to just get Coarse Grit?

[tall notch]

It's a little bit of both. And also Dem's cast being the best, Hera's attack/special being the best and Born Gain existing

[tender anvil]

Normally you take hera attack/special (depending you aspect), born gain, heph defense boons, demeter cast/gale force, coarse grit, and now winter coat

[tall notch]

All earth gods are good on their own and they also synergise

[tender anvil]

That build is nuts, and if forsaking vow cooperates, kinda easy to get

Shame static shock is Zeus and not say Heph, so Zeus is actually the 5th god viable for 50 Fear (for blue shields)

[tired fulcrum]

Even without coarse grit triple earth is very strong

like half my 40+ runs i got coarse grit then forget to activate it

[civic ocean]

Going for the Earth Trio you get:

-the best control in the game (freeze)
-Easy Origination
-the best gain
-the best EHP support boons in the game (trusty shield, mint condition, winter coat)
-coarse grit
-some decent angles for damage as well that you don't usually go for but can do (like Vent for instance)

Origination + Vent can often be like 1k dmg which is pretty useful vs Chronos in my exp

[tender anvil]

You forgot Hera and Hitch

Arguably the best attack/special boons

[civic ocean]

I have that under Easy Origination but yeah that's probably its own point too

Cyclones and Hitch and Arctic Ring can handle AOE pretty well

[tender anvil]

Wish they would remove other measly “gods” from the rotation already, tired of resetting my runs

[civic ocean]

I'm excited to get on the grind with the other 5 on some aspects to start pushing

[tender anvil]

I’m nearing burnout tbh. The 50’s are just too hard. Seeing the aspect you thought was incredible really struggle through Erebus is disheartening

Like Meli skulls - I can push through >5k damage on the nemesis dps check, but those blue shields and 50+ mobs per room just kill the 5 min timer

[civic ocean]

I have the worst burnout where I set a volume challenge that quickly became like irrelevant - like when I conceived it winning at 32F consistently was thought of as reasonably difficult and then over the course of June people just got so much better that it really wasn't all that impressive anymore to do volume at 32