h2-builds-and-combat

[hollow stag]

So Hera is definitely made for Moros special, and Born Gain, and maybe Duo

[bleak night]

but nah, look at the Blitz boons

There's one that lets it do more damage if it goes unpopped rather than you popping it with damage

[hollow stag]

That seems slow for speed runs

[tall notch]

That's why Blitz gamers are doing slow runs

[dim kestrel]

at the very least it should stop when you're looking at the batmap

but yeah, feels bad not to be able to take extra rooms

[low bear]

honestly time should be stopped at the main hub area imo

[dim kestrel]

ideally, yeah

I think if they did that, they could make side rooms part of the tradeoff between time and extra stuff

and it might feel okay

[low bear]

also damn finding out that you can just intentionally fail Asphodel was a life changer, I basically get a 10 second free chamber assuming I don't care about the rewards

[bleak night]

ikr

[timber pawn]

At high fear the asphodel room is brutal so I just always skip regardless of reward

[low bear]

true I don't there's much that makes it worth unless it's like Hephy and I need trusty shield badly or something

[dim kestrel]

how do you fail it intentionally? just walk in lava?

[civic ocean]

Stay out the circle

[bleak night]

start the golden ring, then stay out of it

[low bear]

just ignore the circle and let it go to 0

[dim kestrel]

ah

[hollow stag]

So what I think the best possible start for Moros would be

1. Hammer - Leaden Spark (+10 Attacks Power)

2. Chaos Channel Speed

3. Hera Born Gain

4. Hephaestus Mint Condition

5. Hera/Heph Duo

6. Arachne Channel Speed Armor

7. Artemis Ensnared Snatch

8. Hera Special

[steel sequoia]

persephone is peak fun but i wish i would have gotten torrential downpour earlier than prechrono https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1250135872561746071/20240611141027_1.jpg?ex=6669d742&is=666885c2&hm=8cde132bdd72efe4fe08a9f8198dd3df3d20b2a1b517a79136732cf895e537b0&

[timber pawn]

The clean candle channel speed hammer is probably the best hammer for dps

[modern wadi]

is there any way to not get turned into a sheep without Frinos?

[spare kite]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1229078264811618305/1232527225191141539/Dodging_poly.mp4?ex=663a42ad&is=6638f12d&hm=49ef2e5f9a6bfa174d1d340e3aeff06c2fffb2854fd8451aae0a15dd59c1c14c&

[modern wadi]

oh so get good

[spare kite]

If you wanna make the attack even easier either of the dem boons that create cyclones work
And I believe it can be intercepted by your night bloom summons?

[modern wadi]

thanks

[spare kite]

Hermes's projectile slowdown also works iirc

[cursive oyster]

i got used to dodging it with frinos and now i just can’t dodge it on antler runs :(

[modern wadi]

i didnt know it disappeared eventually

[upper rune]

Whoever advised to do Hera/Demeter/Hephy for torches, you're a godsend. However, worked for me only on 4th or 5th run. Had no luck with Mel torches and bad rng, but went great with Moros torches on 1st try. Got Coarse Grit right b4 Chronos

[finite rapids]

can u link that post

[modern wadi]

dis one?

[quartz plaza]

Do we know what the probability of getting a Major Find (boon, etc.) vs. Minor Find on each door? is it 50-50?

[bleak night]

probs not

at least we do know that in Fields it's 100%, since you don't find resources anymore on doors

Max HP/Max MP/Gold are all considered major as well, after all

[magic moss]

now heres the funny thing, triple earth is like the best build for every weapon atm

[dusty sapphire]

between coarse grit, martial art, proper ubringing, born gain, demeter freezes, etc, I mean yeah it's nutty

[bleak night]

It's great, yeah.

[magic moss]

easiest way to get origination, great supportive boons, gives a wide variety of damage options but also defensive utility, it just has everything you need in a run

[civic ocean]

I don't love the dmg tbh

[dusty sapphire]

In terms of elements we have pos: water, aphro: water/air, zeus: air, apollo: air/fire, hestia: fire, heph: fire/earth, hera: earth

I feel like there are some weird combinations missing but idk

[civic ocean]

Artemis is wind earth

Hermes is wind earth with one fire iirc

[dusty sapphire]

like earth/water feels like it's a shoe in for something

perhaps dionysus?

[civic ocean]

Demeter is earth water

[dusty sapphire]

oh right I forgor 💀

[quartz plaza]

trying to model how many boons you can get on a typical run and when you get them by

surface feels like you get up to 8 boons before cyclops

[bleak night]

I think typically you get low to mid 20s by the end of the UW

high 20s if you get the extra rooms, buy from a lot of the shops, etc. 30+ if it includes Selene path of stars tree nodes

[quartz plaza]

you can get 4 boons from each god before running out of boons for a god

5 if you unlock a duo

(assuming vow of forsaking)

earth requires 7 boons to bring coarse grit online -- something like this maybe?

demeter - coarse grit

6 earth:
hera - attack
demeter - rare crop
demeter - winter coat / plentiful forage
heph - trusty shield
heph - mint condition
heph - heavy metal / uncanny fort

and you probably want demeter freeze + sprint + cyclone on cast as well, but they're all water

in theory you could drop hera for aphro and just hope you'll get a 6th earth from demeter/heph

hera doesn't seem to add that much apart from just getting you earth on attack and getting coarse grit online sooner

[bleak night]

I find her attack helps me clear rooms a lot easier

[quartz plaza]

aphro ring and sprint aren't bad either (weak is pretty good) so can take the pressure off demeter

[bleak night]

Like, I'm at a point where I'd rather just not run Aphro anymore unless I'm speedrunning

[quartz plaza]

i'll have to try a hera run again, i was enjoying aphro more

[bleak night]

it's more damage is why, so I get it

I just don't mind the loss of damage

[quartz plaza]

what else do you find good from hera? born gain obvs if not being magickless

proper upbringing i guess, but you want it late once you have a bunch of common boons

bridal glow you also want as late as possible

uncommon grace (+10% damage for no common boons) feels underwhelming? also are chaos boons common? e.g. what actually counts as a common boon

and dying wish is decent as well, chains your aoe faster and clears rooms

and they're all earth, which also helps

but you want proper upbringing and bridal glow late which is awkward

[bleak night]

for no mana builds, probs just a few things like Dying Wish, Bridal Glow, etc.

[quartz plaza]

(as you can tell, i enjoy theorycrafting :D)

[bleak night]

On mana builds, Keen Intuition is pretty perfect to have with Born Gain

Proper Upbringing can be bad on mana builds if you have the priming vow on, as it turns all boons Rare+, even the ones from further gods

you just won't find anything common ever again

all in all, rough on mana builds

[rough trench]

What's a good Aspect of Charon setup for 32 fear (vows, arcana, etc.). Should I prioritize Hera keepsake for Born Gain or Apollo for Solar Ring?

[bleak night]

I'm at a point where I just don't run Solar Ring anymore, honestly

Prio Hera for the Born Gain spam, of course, but I prefer Dem/Hestia/Aphro Cast now

[rough trench]

Interesting. Even though they don't have explosion bonuses?

[bleak night]

The main drawback I find with Apollo Cast is that it takes too long to be able to set down another Cast. I find that I can make better time and do better damage by just repeatedly doing my rotations. I have a Thessaly run on 48 recorded if you wanna see my playstyle in general

Solar Ring on guardians tho is really good, that being said

[rough trench]

Makes sense. I'm still trying to clear underground at 32 but haven't found a build that works for me yet.

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1250168412328558663/image.png?ex=6669f590&is=6668a410&hm=8b4b9042658f0528ec83bcc63c9468abc1a123806b7d68c6512e40abf1a1609c&

if you can manage with a 7 min timer instead, you're free to remove Suffering

that or you're free to remove Scars rank 3 down to 2

[rough trench]

How are you running Panic with Charon? Does Born Gain proc right away?

[bleak night]

Born Gain procs immediately except for room 1, where you have to swing at your enemies to kill, but not much are there anyway

[rough trench]

Got it. I'll give these a try, thanks.

[bleak night]

Here's my general playstyle btw https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1249966020668686408/Eris_48_Fear_Charon_Axe.mp4?ex=66693912&is=6667e792&hm=9ae8b10ac23d3a6d370c60109b9bfee29728ee4adffe4a8df6e0f0a47fc3c508&

[bleak night]

you also need god prios ?

[rough trench]

Holy crap. I can't even fathom how you move around and strike that quickly. That's insane.

Sure, god prios would be great

[bleak night]

Oh, let me type it up

[bleak night]

Specials prio: / > > > All others
Casts prio (fast rotation): > > > All others
Casts prio (raw damage, slow rotation):
MP Regen: >>>>> > All others

Never get Demeter on Special if you already have Demeter on Casts

[civic ocean]

dem gain is probably relatively close to hestia gain if you are doing apollo cast

[bleak night]

Didn't think of it that way, hmmm

Hestia is a good choice for Charon, I find

[civic ocean]

if you take apollo cast you must take dem sprint or gain for Downpour

[rough trench]

Thanks a lot. What keepsakes do you generally switch to? I've been using Engraved Pin as a crutch a lot.

[bleak night]

because she has a Cast with a status curse + ranged cast via Glowing Coal

[bleak night]

Hera -> God I prefer for origination if can't meet requirements yet -> Experimental Hammer if no good Special Hammer yet -> Metallic Droplet/Blackened Fleece

[civic ocean]

Pin is also really good too

[bleak night]

If your origination is already met or you have a good special hammer already, you can run Heph in Oceanus or Fields

[hollow stag]

What benefits Axe Omega Special?

[civic ocean]

I pretty often go pin for fields and tart

[bleak night]

Hera for damage % boost + status curse, Apollo for raw damage (larger blast radius means you can hit everything with two blasts without effort)

Dem for Status if you're not running Freeze Cast also works

If you wanna have Lightning Lance, Blitz also kinda works on it

a tip I have for people that wanna use Charon is that it's actually worth going Selene a fair bit

you're using so much mana that she'll come online quite a fair bit

[civic ocean]

(Most omega move builds should probably be picking up hexes at this point, they're quite good now)

[bleak night]

I tried the Polymorph thing

[hollow stag]

Apollo Special would be 100% worth using if his Legendary stacks with Giga Cleaver hammer

[bleak night]

It had a node that summoned all the sheep into my Hex whenever I put one down

[bleak night]

True, yeah

His special in general is quite great though

It feels like Spiteful Strength level damage when it's Epic or when pommed under Epic

[civic ocean]

I often end up burning it with forsaking but it's quite strong yeah

[bleak night]

You just want Origination so much is all

[civic ocean]

I don't run it lol

[bleak night]

on Charon ?

[civic ocean]

I don't run runner furies or orig on Charon, I play artificer queen for the duos instead

[bleak night]

tf

[hollow stag]

+180% Specials damage on Apollo Special, Heroic 4 Poms

[bleak night]

to be fair Charon is kind of a nasty weapon

I won a 45 fear run without a special for some reason

[civic ocean]

The thing I miss most is runner

I regularly win at 32 no special boon ye

[hollow stag]

No Hera/Heph duo?

[civic ocean]

or Thunder Flourish typically

[bleak night]

You wanna watch the run? You'll keep telling yourself I shouldn't have won it lol

[rough trench]

Is it worth leveling up Born Gain during the run?

[bleak night]

Definitely, yeah

[hollow stag]

Axe Omega Special 2x is strong

[civic ocean]

Especially if you don't take mana pots, you want BG as close to 1 mana as you can go

[steel sequoia]

usually if its below epic you want some pom with it

[hollow stag]

It would be way stronger if channel speed buffs aside from the hammer work.

I guess I’ll have to mod that in for now.

[steel sequoia]

bright side is chaos, hermes and hammer gives speed buff

[bleak night]

is metallic drop kinda useless on it then ?

[hollow stag]

If the two are fixed, then yeah

[bleak night]

can someone test that actually? If Metallic Droplet works on the channeling speed of the Axe Omega Spec

[steel sequoia]

it works

[bleak night]

ooh

[hollow stag]

I haven’t tested the keepsake yet

[steel sequoia]

i dont pick it iam a Bfleece player

[bleak night]

yeah that's fair, for Charon that keepsake is pretty much god-tier

[timber pawn]

Fwiw I have read the opposite

[steel sequoia]

i rarely pick it if im too slow in fields bc of timer

[bleak night]

wdym?

[civic ocean]

Yeah anecdotally I took droplet once on old charon and didn't really notice a difference

[timber pawn]

That metallic doesn't improve charon special speed noticeably

[bleak night]

I'll just test at some point then

[steel sequoia]

20% isnt broken, the regular channel is like 2s?

i mean if you stack it with Sudden Cleaver: You Channel your Ω Special 25% faster, than i think it will be fast

if you wanna spam you need 2 speed modifiers imo

[civic ocean]

What I've observed and read is that Sudden Cleaver has a much bigger impact than like every other boost put together

[steel sequoia]

i had this one hermes speed and it was fine for me today https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1250174520002871396/20240611144951_1.jpg?ex=6669fb40&is=6668a9c0&hm=fbd469c8c39f4c35804472f1fa1c8239a9fadc88b9bafabe64a7e53ead7a56fd&

[hollow stag]

That’s because that hammer is the only one that works

[limpid coral]

wait how did you get 1853 on that keepsake or am I misunderstanding how it works

[bleak night]

took 1853 damage over the entire run lol

[steel sequoia]

idk how that works tbh but sudden cleaver is the highest %

[civic ocean]

They took 1853 damage

[steel sequoia]

is that too much or not? i dont even know lmao

[bleak night]

How tf did you even heal through that

[civic ocean]

It'd a lot

[limpid coral]

that seems like a lot more hp than one gets over a run

[steel sequoia]

extra defiant and Aromatic Phial

[bleak night]

oh, lol

[limpid coral]

even then. how

[steel sequoia]

2 aromatic heals do a lot

[limpid coral]

was there a hearty rebound or chaos blood in there

[steel sequoia]

i think i also stacked the 2 guardian 10% heal if im not mistaken

[limpid coral]

oh that would do it lol

[timber pawn]

Someone did frame data on this pre patch and sudden cleaver was best by a mile

[civic ocean]

Probably still is

[limpid coral]

Is it the time you shield without charging the special, or the time between the shield dropping and the special happening that gets reduced?

[steel sequoia]

i think counts the entire animation

[hollow stag]

Sudden Cleaver makes the Projectile move 25% faster too

https://youtu.be/54_AfMbGViI?si=-hHkTVewQhpAHauN

#1 WR so far came out today!

[tired fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217110523091357747/1250178114579861515/image.png?ex=6669fe99&is=6668ad19&hm=c11430bff0ca690c4837daba6fb7adb77014aa5b63ecedc1b02ab1c6fa892923& @bleak night bruh im hacking

[timber pawn]

Even the hex did work

[tired fulcrum]

wait why is the recording ultra zoomed in

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1226642940764487690/1250178609352540222/image.png?ex=6669ff0f&is=6668ad8f&hm=9b4c8cc6926a5f7be23448ff07be24b600cd1a5d61dc3ee6e5a5a4edd2c33c67& adadjasaskfasjf

[timber pawn]

Oh no

[bleak night]

oooh antler

wait why 47? What did you not take ?

[bleak night]

ah, rip

[tall notch]

Mynt condition is hacks

[tired fulcrum]

Panic cuz no mana first room is

[bleak night]

it's not that bad, no? First room and second room barely have enemies

can just swing at em

o damn you had Local Climate

[tired fulcrum]

Idk sometimes there are stupid sailors and harpies that have a billion health

And revs is already so much timeloss

[tired fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217110523091357747/1250187124234518588/image.png?ex=666a06fd&is=6668b57d&hm=6cf74982515557b89e4bd03d880fe9878f56d07ea0a8a9480055447b369e7dc0& okay I guess its not actually that bad

[bleak night]

Nice

[tired fulcrum]

How do i play anything but charon this thing is so op

[bleak night]

You didn't even have Origination it seems like

O nvm antler damage stacking good

Is 50 doable on it you think ?

[tired fulcrum]

Giga cleaver is super funny with lightning lance since you can double cast each special

[bleak night]

Rebuke probs too cancer for it, no?

[tired fulcrum]

First room dc is youd need a lot of ephyra skips prob

Just do no arcana and then dont get hit ever frfr tho

[bleak night]

If you luck into Medea + Arty + Heracles room then ye probs lol

[tired fulcrum]

I already burned all my luck lol

[bleak night]

I'm going to do 45 Skull tom

Then maybe 45 Arty after, trying to get 45 on weaps recorded

[rough trench]

Ugh, I had such a good run going with your advice, Mynt, but Chronos kept nailing me with his stupid scythe throw. I have so much trouble reading when he's going to throw it.

[timber pawn]

It is definitely a really fast attack even with the changes

[tired fulcrum]

ofc I do a run trying to see how big I can get torrential downpour numbers to go then get both hera duos and no td also lolhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1226642940764487690/1250196722609553508/Hades_II_2024-06-11_14-09-58_-_Trim.mp4?ex=666a0fee&is=6668be6e&hm=d104bbe4d503070b7564a0edfb70cedbbd2ca458c7dd8a85e5c306cb8a82f8b9&

[violet temple]

is poseidon attack on mel blades for 32 fear good

[quartz plaza]

Oh wow, didn’t realize proper upbringing makes all future boons rare+ — that’s actually very strong

[trim summit]

Just got my 32 fear runs complete last night on Circe. That aspect seems really comfortable for me

I’ve only dabbled in Charon but I also feel like I could get come consistent clears in that

[fervent narwhal]

does anyone have a good 32 fear setup? or specifically for thanatos axe?

[stiff lantern]

@fervent narwhal https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/375780950388244494/1250211957760462960/32.PNG?ex=666a1e1e&is=6668cc9e&hm=473a8021fca4c2ae92d84d26ba9ee183a8bc2b1e30ae75eb2e90ef39ec19d49c& this is my personal pref for 32 fear

[fervent narwhal]

thanks, might replace damage and hp, hp slows you down and damage just feels bad if you get hit.. atleast in the underworld i do quite well with the 5 minute timer but only on axe

[stiff lantern]

still need to work on the underworld 😭 ill get it one of these days

[fervent narwhal]

oh you have the speed on aswell

cerberus with 40% speed is to much to me

or like ive tried only once but still

[stiff lantern]

farthest i got was tartarus with aspect of moros torches but ran out of time because i was looting the extra rooms

[fervent narwhal]

gonna try that page tomorrow probably but will replace speed for time maybe.. i do use onion a lot just to avoid some even tho it feels so annoying

ill send the one i used later, did complete 32 but then i restarted my save so maybe i should upgrade my cards more first but ive been doing quite well

[steel sequoia]

i was building Thermal Dynamics+AQ now and the game pushed me Romantic Spark because of one dash came on

i wasnt spending a reroll for that aphro boss, well i busted dmg anyways but could be funnier

[hollow stag]

When Hecate makes clones of herself, how do you know which one is her quickly?

[urban ember]

follow up question about erebus, how do you beat wailers bc they are kicking my ass

[charred lintel]

kill them before they start wailing

[upper rune]

drop cast, hitstun asap

[charred lintel]

attack all 3 of them, hope you get lucky

[tired fulcrum]

Hecate makes a bigger smoke cloud than her clones but it lasts pretty short so gotta pay close attention

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1245199026778013757/1245199027306369045/2024-05-28_18-51-35_-_frame_at_0m19s.jpg?ex=6669adb6&is=66685c36&hm=b96a1209a8a2c84d4db4f74ae523e8dd873f9b3fe02ce2ba632eb670f2efdcf8&

[fervent narwhal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249078453949567161/1250218673642147861/image.png?ex=666a245f&is=6668d2df&hm=541bbf7e3fe8bca91a540911233a05f24c4ef1d90769b542ccbfc6d37e5fdd6c& @stiff lantern this might be my favorite setup but unsure, still experimenting

really dislike onion and revenant but i dont wanna add the others either

im sure they will add more to pick in the future so 32 fear will only get easier but still.. i know i can do 5 minutes on underworld so i can turn off some but on surface its a little harder, but there revenant and onion is better imo

[loud moat]

Question, what’s the comparison between Zeus’s boons
Lightning Lance Vs. Storm Ring? both casts,

LL does a bolt to enemies hit by the initial cast and
The other does continuous bolts if Omega’d.

Any insights to power vs utility? Storm ring is cool that it can be attacked to other God’s casts.

LL lets you aim, but I guess it fills the cast slot.

[spare kite]

Lightning lance is a support boon, it doesn't take up the cast slot
Storm ring does

[split igloo]

You very much want both

[loud moat]

Yes.

Are there better casts to attach Storm ring to?

It’s a moot point cause I took the “eliminate boons when not chosen fear” and I have to pick between them

Or is LL good enough on its own?

[spare kite]

To the left of your ui you can see your core boons
Strike (attack)
Flourish (special)
Ring (cast)
Sprint/dash (obvious)
Gain (mp regen)

Those can only be filled by one god

[loud moat]

I know that. I’m choosing between the two at the moment cause of fear. But thank you.

[magic moss]

storm ring is the best cast for damage in isolation and can deal significant damage to bosses, however there are many good supportive casts like demeter or aphrodite that are greatly helped by having the cast be ranged due to lightning lance

[spare kite]

What weapon is this?

[loud moat]

Thanatos Axe

I have Poseidon attack and special already

[spare kite]

I'll do L.lance then I think

[iron ember]

can crystal figurine activate judgement?

[tired fulcrum]

Pos attack axe 🤨

[spare kite]

Yeah

[iron ember]

jesus christ

[loud moat]

Haha it’s what I got. Echo gave me both

[iron ember]

considering using it

[magic moss]

in isolation, storm ring > lightning lance, however for most runs lightning lance has much higher value due to giving you the option to apply the cast by range, which grealty helps for cast specific builds like pan and charon for safety or gives an easier application for origination through demeter or aphro casts

[proven orbit]

lets go gambling
🎰 aw dammit

[spare kite]

Echo moment

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah thats why i start god keepsake

[iron ember]

literally tho. im not gonna use it

[limpid coral]

got bolstered array zone 1 with mel skulls and it was great, then got full salvo for the side quest and it's really funny

[loud moat]

Ok so if I want the option to aim it, it’s top tier. I think I’m ok without it then.

[limpid coral]

with hera attack it nukes rooms

[magic moss]

for thanatos axe is can still be a great way to hold enemies down keeping you safe while charging omegas

since you really dont want to get hit for than especially

[loud moat]

True. I think at this point I’m begging for the better option to be Storm Ring. Are they’re any casts that Storm ring supports in anyway?

Or is it just extra damage on the omega I suppose

Still solid, but is it a one trick pony is what I’m asking

[tired fulcrum]

Storm ring takes your cast slot

[magic moss]

since storm ring IS a cast boon and not a supportive one, there arent that many. However, this does not mean storm ring is a bad boon

its the crutch of Persephone runs due to its high damage output in a single omega cast

[loud moat]

Ahhh I saw that. Helpful utility

[light matrix]

is there a rhyme or rhythm to where eris teleports to during her fight?

[magic moss]

and with support boons like Demeter's local climate or gale force, it can still be a very useful secondary damage option

[loud moat]

But in a vacuum, it’s mostly extra damage on top of whatever actual cast you have going on then.

[light matrix]

died twice to her while shes 1 effing hit away from being beat

then getting suddenly shot from somewhere completely offscreen

[magic moss]

its generally used for extra damage yes

[loud moat]

Trying to play local climate always messes me up 😭

[light matrix]

its one of the few things that feels actually unfair lol

[magic moss]

for most weapons, having a cast that is ranged is INCREDIBLY useful

[light matrix]

i have no idea where to dodge a 300% or so buffed hit thats practically guaranteed to hit me

[tired fulcrum]

Stay next to the pillars when shes in that phase so you can hide when she hops too far

[magic moss]

ESPECIALLY for surface runs since in high fears people typically run fury 2, and fury 2 polyphemus is disgustingly difficult without a ranged cast for many people new to high fear runs

[spare kite]

Use them pillars

[light matrix]

if theyre gone?

[tired fulcrum]

Dont let them gone

[light matrix]

boo

[spare kite]

Bring frinos

[tired fulcrum]

Dont use the pillars to block the pink rail shot get behind her or dodge it or block it with frinos

[spare kite]

also I abuse the heck out of pausing for the last phase

[magic moss]

theres only 1 attack that destroys the pillars and it can be dashed, so when eris uses the attack instead of hiding behind a pillar try to get as far away as possible or behind her and just dodge it

[light matrix]

i see ty friends

[magic moss]

OR

[light matrix]

i still kinda think some kind of tell would be nice

[magic moss]

just bring soot sprint and cheese the hell out of eris since all her attacks are projectiles and therefore are subject to consumption

[light matrix]

maybe not literally where she is but a general direction? like the grace in elden ring

therve been times wheres shes landed in buring oil at low hp and doesnt take dmg and blends in

somewhere on the butt end of the arena lol with lots of background art etc

[magic moss]

hahahahahhahahaha i feel you

whenever that happens, just hide behind one of the pillars and wait, if the big shot animation starts then just dodge since you are already a decent space away and just wait until eris comes back out into the open

[spare kite]

If you have the mana to use phase shift bullied the hell out of her

[magic moss]

yup, due to the mana cost buffs of phase shift, it became an insane supportive hex that almost guarantees an eris clear assuming you are able to use mana frequently with the weapon you are using

phase shift on charon or pan for example makes it an incredibly easy fight since eris is moving at 20% speed almost the entire fight

[tired fulcrum]

Charon already makes her super easy especially with a ranged cast because you can easily nuke her while hiding behind a pillar and have a block for the pillar destroying move

[plain fossil]

If ur talking about final phase eris then the start of final phase is always jump --> straight line burst x3

Dont try and dps her during this unless u think u can kill her or u have soot sprint

After that she settles down couple seconds and u can go whack her to death while she does mortars or winds up shotgun or whatever

[light matrix]

ok good to know

because its so quick it was hard to tell if there was a pattern

[limpid coral]

in game Origin Coil says Your Specials are 60% faster and orbit where you fire them. that seems like it should say they travel faster

[magic moss]

#h2-feedback post it there

[steel sequoia]

does it? i didnt even noticed ngl

[sudden belfry]

what would yall say is the best weapon/aspect in the game now that momus has been reworked

[plain fossil]

Pretty dependent on what u wanna do now i think

[magic moss]

in terms of raw damage? Medea no question
Overall best for each weapon? idk nothing for staff ig Circe, Pan, Moros, Charon/Mel depending on mana or no mana, and Medea

[plain fossil]

Lul i agree with 0 of those except pan, though i can see a case for some of them, so clearly its much more open now

[magic moss]

can i hear your thoughts then?

[plain fossil]

Momus, pan, mel, charon/than depending on mana or no mana, and mel

[sudden belfry]

abt charon-what boons are best for it? aphrodite/dem like the other axes or does that change bc of cast

[plain fossil]

I cant see circe over momus i think its momus not close, i can see your other choices depending on the content ur doing

[tired fulcrum]

Born gain is your priority then a status inflicting cast such as demeter, then for special ideally hera for status, dem if you dont have dem cast, or apollo

[magic moss]

triple earth with hera special demeter cast, born gain top prio is easiest

[plain fossil]

I think dem cast has become the default now

Apollo zeus is fun but its hard to set up with new forsaking and its slooooow

[tired fulcrum]

Yep and spamming cast explosions is a lot easier now due to special buff

[sudden belfry]

gotcha!

[magic moss]

rly mel skull > medea, would love to hear reasoning for this? and does than axe crit work on basic attacks/specials now or is it still limited to omega attacks?

I chose Mel > Thanatos for axe because I still had the idea that thanatos axe's crit only applied to omega attacks so in a no mana run Mel > Thanatos

For the staff, idk I chose circe because she has her own mana regen that resets every room but i play no mana staff runs so thats why i said idk

[low bear]

You don't really need to bother with attack get one that gives a curse (Hera or Demeter).

Apollo cast and try to go for Apollo/Demeter duo. That is absolutely broken wifh Charon

[sudden coyote]

Mel aspect also does BEEG damage with the chop and double hit hammer upgrades

[tired fulcrum]

Apollo cast is funny but its not ideal now

[magic moss]

this is the first time ive heard apollo demeter what please explain this cook

[spare kite]

Is just even more overkill dmg

[magic moss]

is this torrential downpour cook

[spare kite]

+20% each time you cast

[magic moss]

ok it is

[tired fulcrum]

Apollo dem duo increases your omega cast damage everytime you use it but its just better to do it with dem cast

[low bear]

Mel is much safer since Medea requires you to get up close. Also synergizes well with new possessed array which is OPm

No axe crit is only on omegas. I feel like Than is stronger still because the omega has better AoE and damage. Also works on Zeus cast which is very strong

[magic moss]

yeah i gotz

[magic moss]

for my argument for Mel axe > Than my argument was under the assumption of 0 mana period, so Than would never get the chance for an omega strike

hence i said mana or no mana

[low bear]

Well kinda then yeah since that's ignoring most of the aspect's strength

[magic moss]

and i believe that given the assumption that you are running a build with mana, charon > thanatos so hence i said Charon if mana Mel if no mana

[low bear]

Yeah Charon is definitely the strongest especially with the special speed buff in the recent patch

[magic moss]

good to know about the Mel > Medea argument, I just hate playing skull like normal so personal choice Medea > Mel

[low bear]

Imo Than got a slight nerf too.

[magic moss]

yeah

tho i do think Than > Charon under the assumption of at least one beneficial hammer, but thats opening a whole different can of worms

[tired fulcrum]

Giga cleaver charon is insane lol

[low bear]

Hmm I'd disagree there Charon just does so much damage and is so much safer and has massive AoE

[low bear]

Giga Cleaver can brick my runs sometimes when I don't have enough regen or mp lol

[magic moss]

im moreso arguing with the benefit of the doubt since i havent touched thanatos since i finished that chaos trial and seeing the numbers and its potential with many axe hammers giving significant omega attack buffs

[low bear]

Hmm they're good but doesn't surpass Charon in my experience from my high fear runs on both

[magic moss]

but if yall say charon > than, then no need for me to argue any further

[low bear]

Well it's still an opinion thing, it's not like 1 is neccessarily right

[tired fulcrum]

Nah charon is a nuke

[low bear]

Wish we had more aspects like that wirh very unique mechanics

There should be staff aspect that allows you to drop 2 casts, that seems like it would be fun

[tulip barn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230181039196995706/1250247660187684935/image.png?ex=666a3f5e&is=6668edde&hm=07939ae6d7e29401fdeaffb077eb3bdfd80701f9fc7d471cfadb6d1cd941d487&

So this is quite good

[stiff lantern]

same cant stand revenant, the no boon kills my start chance though, can mitigate it a little bit with echo keepsake. I could deal with that but 5 minute start time would make me cry

[magic moss]

blood 3 is crazy ngl with revenant and commotion 3 and rebuke 2

[plain fossil]

Mel skull is heaps safer if a little slower than medea and scales better with hammers

Thats basically it

[magic moss]

good to know, will prob still run medea cuz of personal pref tho

hate how normal skull plays

[plain fossil]

Ofc sir, picking things ur comfortable with has actual tangible value in terms of making the right decisions under pressure

As well as u generally just have more fun

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1250251585817411594/image.png?ex=666a4306&is=6668f186&hm=f1ad6a393d7e9d32eabb17ec073b14c5c5e58378a67c694e2c9922999b97b404& this is my 32 set up, one very viable alternative is removing suffering 2 and turning on desperation 3 and another thing of dominance or rebuke 1 but i dont like playing with 5 min so i have suffering 2 enabled

you can also turn on panic depending on what weapon you use too

[plain fossil]

Generally i would turn off commotion and turn on revenants since its a lot less dangerous and i think every weapon can comfortably do rev2 timer2

[magic moss]

im a huge triple earth sucker so more enemies with less health > less enemies that can respawn

and also i play a lot more passively and patiently on not medea so revenants tends to make me panic a bit

but that is all playstyle based so i can see revenants > commotion, might run some to see how it feels

[plain fossil]

I mean i also play a lot of hera lul but i just think commotion + suffering2 makes erebus too likely for me to get 44ed by a spindle before i find trusty shield

[timber pawn]

I know everyone is different but man if you can learn to play a fast erebus, 5 minute timer and less enemy modifiers is so much comfier

[magic moss]

i just think 50% chance of revenants for 2 heat is giga bait

[plain fossil]

Thats the other alternative yea

[magic moss]

fair enough yeah

[plain fossil]

I can only comfortably do timer3 rev0 on a few weapons consistently

Skulls, charon, mel attack torches

[magic moss]

i can consistently clear under 5 its just i like to get every collectable i can get and not do pausing stuff so 5 minutes is just on the edge of making the game feel not fun

[plain fossil]

I didnt realize how slow pan was with a bad start until i started doing some 32s with it

[plain fossil]

Yea i dont click collectibles when pushing anymore it feels so bad to die to something that i coulda made easier for the same fear with timer 😦

I aint judging tho u do u

[magic moss]

there are many times where i get hit for 86 by a spindle and want to kms so ive thought about turning on des3 and ive run it a couple times but holy hell that itch in my brain whenever i see a collectable on des3

and im like man i really REALLY want to go and click it but im on des3

[urban ember]

is it just me, or do hexes feel very weak?

[magic moss]

hexes actually got significantly buffed and most of them are quite powerful

[plain fossil]

Ha yea i just figure a) at this stage theres only one collectible ppl want and its bones and b) if im not running toula i dont want to click fishing it takes 97 years so theres not a ton i even wanna click

[magic moss]

like im at the point in the game where i dont need anything else im maxed on EVERYTHING i can unlock with collectables so there is no reason for me to click on any of them. But whenever i see one im like "but what if you need it later on down the line?"

i have 3600 psyche but everytime i run a 32 and see a stray ghost im like i have frinos this isnt going to take long and click it

[plain fossil]

Yea i get u i just also figure at some stage imma sit down and chain like 50 back to back low fear speedruns and get 500 of everything

I still dont have some aspects maxed like u will not see me comment on persephone here bc mine is lv1 lul

[magic moss]

i did that for 2 straight weeks after clearing 32 to grind out everything on god mode low fear and boy oh boy did i get a reality check when i played 32 again

[digital hazel]

how do you guys feel about spiral knives on pan dagger?

[plain fossil]

Good not great

Better underground than on surface where zones and terrain block it a lot, requires better positioning than other pan hammers

Makes for really good youtube thumbnails

Im not unhappy to see it but its not like a hook knives level of powerspike

[magic moss]

i personally am not a big fan, i think its the worst special hammer you can get period

[civic ocean]

Yeah when I climb to 40 rotating after June this will be critical most likely

[plain fossil]

Im moving to 40s at the moment and adjusting to 5min timer is rough

Some weapons i have few issues and some im like i have no idea how this weapon ever does 5 minute erebus lmao

If anyone has tips for 5 min erebus on eos im all ears

[magic moss]

just hit triple earth in 4 encounters

idk man seems pretty easy

[plain fossil]

I also dunno how to 5 min on: artemis, non-momus staves (momus is tight and i dont know if u can reasonably expect to chain 5min clears), mel axe tho thats just practice, obviously mel blades is also miserable but its miserable in general

If anybody got some tips for how to 5 minute those without getting crit for 100 then im all ears

[magic moss]

for mel and circe i found that probably the best way to get fast clears is to go poseidon attack pray for demeter cast and just pray your spawns and rooms are good

for artemis/mel, idk aphro attack with no rebuke and pray ig

[low bear]

FINALLY FINISHED MY 42 FEAR CIRCE RUN

I had some crazy chaos boons by the end

[timber pawn]

nice!

[timber pawn]

if you're going for consistency I do wonder if 5 is not the play because sometimes rng just says no

[civic ocean]

We'll see, probably wep dependent at 40

[timber pawn]

oh ya, reading comprehension bad, at 40 you prob dont have a choice really

[plain fossil]

I found poseidon attack staff to be SUPER hammer dependent idk

I did try and even with decent boon and room rng it didnt rly matter unless i hit one of the three good attack hammers

[magic moss]

its just difficult to make value out of the omega strikes from staff without burning too much time i found

[bleak night]

push 45 now?

[magic moss]

maybe just hera attack demeter cast circe no panic vow would be the most consistent?

[low bear]

Probably only on aspects I like

[bleak night]

Yeah makes sense

[magic moss]

just throwing out ideas rn

[low bear]

Circe was hell and hammer rng matters so much imo

Esp on 5 min deadline, Erebus is rough

I could probably push 45 on Moros/Charon/Perse I did 42 on them first or second try

[haughty depot]

i feel like double wallop is already like easily the best hammer for an attack staff build anyways and pos just goes well with it

or whatever that hammer is called now

[low bear]

it is and it's not even close

Cross Cataclysm needs to be buffed, should give +charge speed imo

[plain fossil]

I mean it is but thats not the point lul

[haughty depot]

cross cata feels like a meme at its conception to me

[low bear]

how do I link images here

[plain fossil]

What im asking is, how do u clear 5min no revenants no blue shields consistently (like i dont need 100% but even say 70%) with staff

[magic moss]

mirrored thrasher? the double hit but +30% dmg

[plain fossil]

I cant do it personally with manaless staff unless i hit one of either double hit, +30, or attack speed

[magic moss]

i post onto a different private discord channel, copy the image link, and paste it here

[low bear]

what if posted on another channel in this discord does the work

[magic moss]

sure?

[low bear]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1250260309201911919/image.png?ex=666a4b26&is=6668f9a6&hm=15a1dd26036525b354761dfa506eba030ff890ba65dc9a19146fc0acb415ac4e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2057&height=1157

that juicy Chant damage

[plain fossil]

Like i failed a run to hecate timer where i got heroic poseidon r1 but no good attack hammers in erebus and im like man wtf this is so hammer dependent and ragequit

[haughty depot]

is this with the other defensive vows or like raw 5min

[low bear]

I agree staff is too hammer dependent on 5 min

[plain fossil]

This is with rev0 rebuke0 hp3 and uh commotion1 i think

[low bear]

with old Momus gone, staff is easily the weakest weapon imo

[haughty depot]

i think i would have a hard time doing that with any weapon without resetting

[low bear]

Skull and Axe really strong in base I feel

I have the easiest time with them in Erebus

while Staff requires high roll hammer very early

[haughty depot]

that makes sense esp for mel

like +power makes them special at that i figure

[low bear]

thanks

also Staff Omega Attack feels bad to use I don't know why

[civic ocean]

are you dash cancelling your third hit

I am too lazy to do it but I am quite certain you are meant to datk->atk->atk->datk on staff

[plain fossil]

Im not

I can try tho maybe it helps thanks

[low bear]

I usually prefer Hera Attack on staff with 2x hits

[magic moss]

i just got a run with poseidon atk and double hit so ill see how it feels

[haughty depot]

is there a melee combo finisher that doesnt suck? does the dagger finisher suck too

[magic moss]

they're all meh imp

[plain fossil]

Dagger finisher is comparatively good because the previous like 5 hits have NO FKIN RANGE

In theory u click poseidon and ur expecting like hit hit hithithithit big swat

[magic moss]

the biggest issue i have with poseidon attack is where do i get the 2nd debuff

[haughty depot]

slip?

[plain fossil]

Poseidon attack comes with a debuff it just doesnt come immediately

But yea daggers in practice for room clear its more like hit hit whiffwhiffwhiffwhiff GET CRIT FOR 100 big swat

[low bear]

it feels decent but pos attack isn't as good now since all of Staff aspects incentivize using omega moves

you could just ignore it sure

[civic ocean]

the 50 on circe just straight up spams attack yeah and I do so at 32 as well

[magic moss]

ok i got a 3:18 erebus on 32F

but it is double attack poseidon atk so its kinda high roll

[plain fossil]

What was ur hammer lul

[low bear]

32 Circe you can kinda just do whatever ig

I enjoy Pos attack + static shock on staff at 32 as well, it's really fun

[magic moss]

yeah

[magic moss]

the double attack but +30% dmg

[plain fossil]

Static shock op on manaless builds all worship static shock

[haughty depot]

and support fire if ur lucky

[plain fossil]

Id play manaless torches more if the manaless projectile wasnt so fking tiny

Manaless torches probably better on paper than staff its just the hitbox is so bad lul

[haughty depot]

torch dps if torches werent designed to feel cringe

[tired fulcrum]

when theres a wailer i wanna hit but auto aim sucks and the projectile is too dinky to collateral

[plain fossil]

Its also hard on kbm fwiw

Im convinced also that manaless torches actually better than mana torches except for cringe hitbox

But cringe hitbox such a big deal that mana torches better

[bleak night]

Make the switch to Joycon + Mouse

[past salmon]

Mynt back to spread their propaganda

[low bear]

joycon as in switch joycon?

I actually had that idea before, mouse aim + analog movement seems perfect

[plain fossil]

Hey man we all have our quirks, joycon and mouse is like the 27th most unhinged thing ive seen on here

[magic moss]

ok yeah this double hit hammer is kinda busted 13:01 chronos clear

#h2-victory-boasting message

wasnt even close tbh

pan is still just poseidon yeah?

[plain fossil]

Its never anything else

[past salmon]

Poseidon is optimal its obvs playable on other stuff tho yeh

[analog ether]

Oh that's interesting. I didn't know that with the Eos omega attack, it duplicates your special.

[past salmon]

Yeh thats half the point of it 👍
Its a bit weird cuz its only listed in the popup description

[zenith bolt]

yeah it says that on the thing

[lone sundial]

what are the best gods for eos?

[low bear]

personally I really like Apollo on Attack

the bigger AoE really helps Mini-Me

for special Hera or Demeter or Zeus for curse

[lone sundial]

damn apollo is good for everything 😭

[low bear]

hmm not necessarily but in this instance it is pretty good

Hera is also good on attack

[hollow stag]

What if you get +20 Power to Specials from Icarus?

Would Poseidon still be the best god for Pan Knives?

[analog ether]

Also copies the omega special

[zenith bolt]

always gamble on chaos https://i.imgur.com/W3ehI6y.png

[plain fossil]

Yes for several reasons

[timber pawn]

Speedrunners dream

[zenith bolt]

i proceeded to get armored sop-spindles every single room in oceanus

not dead, just mad about it

[plain fossil]

Just offscreen them 2Head

[timber pawn]

They are slowly becoming my most hated enemy

[plain fossil]

Everybody hates big spindle

Except ppl that dont have to click damage mods or timer

They dont do anything when u can wait them out and jump in after the spin is done

Actually the thing i hate the most in oceanus is picking up fish revenants

I hate that more than spindles

[zenith bolt]

and then cerb was nice and i got no slam rush

[limpid coral]

the room that's nothing but a constant swarm of little fish... man

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/Da4Xuvn.png yup that tracks

carried by the GOAT https://i.imgur.com/fpLo40t.png

[plain fossil]

44!

Ive been trying some 40s this week i have dreams about 88! man

Fking 88!

[violet temple]

maxed vow of blood and suffering 🥰

[plain fossil]

I just need to get better at timer so i dont have to mess about with blood3 blood3 is aids

[bleak night]

Me when I take a single misstep and take 112 dmg from Wandering Lurkers in Erebus

[violet temple]

I max those out so I don't have to deal with more enemies or revs

[plain fossil]

Which one is wandering lurker

[bleak night]

Lurkers from Oceanus with Vow of Wandering, the hammerhead shark-headed ones with pink spears

[plain fossil]

Oh shark

Its always rly embarrassing eating shark to the face

[past salmon]

bro I swear they are mindreaders too

like I will be so far away from them and I will be dashing towards them while they are swinging off screen like bro????

[bleak night]

One of them dealt damage to me through the Erebus wards you unlock with an incantation

[plain fossil]

For me its that they have more range than i think they do

[past salmon]

Dont talk to me about the wards I have mad beef

[plain fossil]

Lots of things can hit u through that, like ground splashes etc

I dont trust em AT ALL

[bleak night]

You need to have an invul buff while in there

Rather than just making the dome absorb hits

It's too inconsistent

[timber pawn]

They have a disjointed hitbox Marth players can only dream of

[bleak night]

[analog ether]

Trial of Heartache is a pain to do once you get to Eris.

[plain fossil]

It just very long

[bleak night]

What honestly makes lurkers worse to me is how long the hitbox stays out because it's meant to be a thrust + pullback with the same damage

[plain fossil]

I dont try and dodge backwards the sharks anymore its annoying

[timber pawn]

This is a very creepy hand

[bleak night]

Marth Melee Grab

[low bear]

what's better for 5 min deadline, 60% mobs/0% revenant, or 40% mobs/25% revenant?

[timber pawn]

Oh you're so right lmao

[low bear]

Eos aspect if that matters

[timber pawn]

For...40?

[past salmon]

neither 💀

[plain fossil]

Build dependent but typically if u want commotion2 u want commotion3

[zenith bolt]

[bleak night]

For Eos, Revenant won't be too bad

[past salmon]

What fear/weapon are you on?

[low bear]

42 fear

[timber pawn]

Ya my knee-jerk reaction was neither lol, that's what I asked what fear number

[past salmon]

42 I feel like you dont take either
Unless very magick reliant weapon?

[low bear]

42 Eos, I don't know what else I can really go for lol

[plain fossil]

The problem with revenant for eos is its alrdy a fking slow aspect but yea i agree i would just click it and tilt whenever i die to timer

[past salmon]

Whats ur Fear setup

[low bear]

yeah Eos is kinda magic reliant?

lemme get a screenshot wait

[plain fossil]

That little fat ghost is like alright guys gonna take the scenic route at 5mph dont wait up ok

[past salmon]

you will never stop having timer issues will u

[plain fossil]

Nope but cmon man eos is slooooow

[past salmon]

True Eos is very slow
I did a 32F 5min and it was a little tight compared to most things
I wasnt playing optimally tho

[timber pawn]

I haven't done new eos at 32

Maybe I should redo my 32s for the overhauled aspects

[past salmon]

Its not very fun tbh
New Eos is only fun at negative fear lowkey 💀

[timber pawn]

We were talking about it in the speedcord a bit

Gameplay loop is follow the balloon around, so melee distance to enemies. At which point you're just kind of a worse moros

[plain fossil]

The other two torches are really fast

[low bear]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/978667623090905138/1250293274694914230/image.png?ex=666a69da&is=6669185a&hm=b1c77b4435adfc07c15c14047a68355367870d14c8dca97a8a634684fe7ed4a3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=925&height=875

[plain fossil]

Really? The only way i found to not suck at timer is go clear other half of room and hope little fat man does his job

[low bear]

here's my fear setup

[timber pawn]

If you toss specials into it, they multiply quite fast

[past salmon]

hmmm
I was gonna say u can probs get away with Rebuke on torches but its Eos so probs not actually

[low bear]

I tried rebuke it was way worse

[past salmon]

hold on let me grab my 45F Persephone setup which should be similar just with onion

[low bear]

I got to hecate with like 50 seconds

[plain fossil]

Yea but u can do that from anywhere why not do it from a place u can use ur own special to clear

[past salmon]

Yeh I think you just go full commotion probs @low bear

[plain fossil]

That was my logic anyway

[low bear]

I'll test it out thanks, I'm running Apollo attack so mini-me has great AoE at least

[timber pawn]

If you're next to the balloon they multiply much faster. You end up with screen full of projectiles

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1250293748240355440/image.png?ex=666a6a4a&is=666918ca&hm=d674f2a1f57823b9e3a0eb0f69c3da8daa85eba5d17cc83a58b46154df81f49b&
This was my 45F Persephone and I think Perseph and Eos sort of want similar fear setups

[timber pawn]

You should record, I'd certainly be interested in the clear vod

[low bear]

yeah maybe I will I'll try to clear up some storage space on my laptop LOL

[plain fossil]

Really? Why is that, i didnt know

[low bear]

gonna yeet my old work files

[violet temple]

does it not shoot the same amount of specials either way

[timber pawn]

Just by virtue of hitting the guy faster

Like ultimately it's the same yes

[low bear]

also what are the best hammers for Eos

[past salmon]

Does Eos click Omega Special alot or mainly regular special?

[timber pawn]

Imo clean candle for the attack is really important

[low bear]

I like to omega special and then spam attack while mini me is out

but maybe I'm just not used to special spamming that might be better

[zenith bolt]

isnt the whole point of eos that you spam special/omega special while daybreaker is out

[plain fossil]

I think i need to test this a bit it sounds bit strange but speedrunners usually dont believe tinfoil garbage so i assume its correct

[timber pawn]

But... It doesnt multiply the attack? Ya

[low bear]

which one is clean candle again, I'm bad at hammer names

[past salmon]

I feel Eos is very not Mana hungry
You could get away with the Patented Foolish Unseen Arcana setup maybe @low bear

[zenith bolt]

clean candle is "you channel your omega attack faster and it costs less magick"

[low bear]

yeah that's interesting maybe I'll run unseen too or go for room 1 born gain

[timber pawn]

I'm maybe not communicating correctly. I just mean if you're standing next to the balloon, you don't have to wait for the special to do 6 loops before it hits the balloon and multiplies

[warped fjord]

Ok just beat tartarus for the third time, maybe i can try going to the surface now, i wonder if its particularly harder

[zenith bolt]

that's... not how eos works...

[timber pawn]

It's like 50% reduced channel speed

[low bear]

it's harder imo

[zenith bolt]

it just does your special when you do your special... and likewise for the omega special... it's like having a clone...

[warped fjord]

I see

[timber pawn]

Oh wow. That's my fault then

[plain fossil]

Help im so confused does eos work like this and ive just been living in fantasyland for 5 runs?

[timber pawn]

No it seems I am wrong

[zenith bolt]

refer to my previous message

[low bear]

ah yeah that definitely sounds good, I often use omega again to relocate mini-me

[timber pawn]

My fault

[low bear]

is the splitting hammer one good for Eos?

[violet temple]

i thought i was missing something about eos 😭

[warped fjord]

Im missing a ton of combat features to unlock damn, sister blades have been goated

[low bear]

ironically old Eos Hammer is kinda terrible for new Eos lol

[timber pawn]

Thank you for saving me from myself

[warped fjord]

Which one is Eos?

[bleak night]

@past salmon ... https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1250295403832934410/image.png?ex=666a6bd5&is=66691a55&hm=963f19c8e78c907b8a5eaa7aa17085855b1620687216f3124f48862c2f26c271&

[timber pawn]

Ayo?

[past salmon]

we going all the way baby??

[low bear]

DAMN

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/OrkY2Us.png

[warped fjord]

I think im only missing the argent skull (i think that was the name)

[bleak night]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-plankton-i-dont-know-idk-i-never-thought-id-get-this-far-gif-15489594

[plain fossil]

So yea anyway the only way ive found to not do 6:30 erebus is to send fat man in one direction then special/omega special the other side of the room

[low bear]

it's a torch aspect

[warped fjord]

Ohhhhhh, hell yeah, so the torches are good?

[timber pawn]

With my corrected understanding of the aspect, that makes sense lol

[narrow verge]

it's really jank

[low bear]

I think you get the materials from surface so go ahead and try it, bring the pickaxe

[low bear]

how so

[warped fjord]

Ive been just using sister blades so im confused, do we get more aspects than hust the base weapons like in Hades 1?

[low bear]

I'm assuming Mini-Me doesn't multiply

[narrow verge]

it can split the omega projectile but they don't behave correctly, seems bugged

[low bear]

ahh

[warped fjord]

Oh hell yeah, how to unlock more aspects?

[narrow verge]

i got like 5 of them on screen at once but none of them were actually functional

[low bear]

so it can damn that sounds broken

[analog ether]

Yes

[timber pawn]

You'll get an incantation

[low bear]

ah sadj

[zenith bolt]

i wonder if apollo/aphro is good for eos

[narrow verge]

new eos kinda stinky i went to moros after the patch

[bleak night]

do I even wanna continue this

[low bear]

mini-me's aphro still counts you iirc

[plain fossil]

I also had more success with crushing comet eos than anything else

[zenith bolt]

double mini-me (but mini-mes don't have doubled omega specials, fwiw)

[low bear]

Moros damage is CRAZY

[plain fossil]

I think im just a crushing comet weirdo

[bleak night]

do I just savestate it until I get it lol

[warped fjord]

Oh i see, hell yeah, ig i first need to clear the surface though

[zenith bolt]

double double, not triple double

[low bear]

I beat 42F first try on Moros, that damage is stupid

[narrow verge]

it really does slap

[low bear]

went from worst aspect to one of the best imo

[zenith bolt]

worst aspect was circe

[warped fjord]

What are some really good weapons and its aspects? So far ive made do with the base sister blades

[narrow verge]

moros torches

[warped fjord]

Im kinda liking a lot of the aphrodite boons

[low bear]

a lot of really good aspects and it really depends on you what you like and what suits your playstyle

[past salmon]

may aswell
Either you die in Oceanus like I have been doing
Or you POP OFF

[warped fjord]

Though i havent played in ages, maybe I should try the other weapons more too, the torches felt awful, i sucked with them

[zenith bolt]

thanks zeus for making me drop 6 rerolls on heaven flourish

[low bear]

my favorite used to be Than aspect on Axe, but now it might be Charon or Perse

[narrow verge]

excuse me mynt you did what now

[low bear]

new patch changed them a lot if you haven't tried it yet, Moros aspect is also crazy strong now

[narrow verge]

moros aspect more like war crime simulator

[warped fjord]

I mean, for now i need to see how to unlock the incantation for aspects

[warped fjord]

Oh splendid! Im very intrigued

[bleak night]

[low bear]

yeah I'm not sure how it's even unlocked, it just appeared for me while playing lol

[plain fossil]

Gz seems horrendous

[narrow verge]

you are literally insane homie

[plain fossil]

88!

[warped fjord]

I cleared the underworld 3 times, maybe i should do more, or finally get to the surface

[low bear]

hot take: if you have Axe equipped it should be used when you mine ores instead of pickaxe

[narrow verge]

kinda want to join pink gang

behold, my true form

[low bear]

might as well try out surface, nothing to lose

[warped fjord]

I need to find bronze

[narrow verge]

but you would dull the axe 😭

[timber pawn]

That's only on the surface so that seems like a good choice!

[warped fjord]

I mean, pretty sure killing gods already do that

[low bear]

nah moonstone Axe is undullable

[warped fjord]

Oh i see, many thanks! So are base torches better this patch too? Ill try the surface with them

[timber pawn]

Torches in general got pretty beefed up I think, ya

[low bear]

torches are a lot better this patch, though I liked old Eos's design better

there was a certain zen to controlling how your attacks returned to you and positioning yourself for that

[warped fjord]

I see, what could be a good build for them? The surface seems kinda scary

[bleak night]

I just got killed by Heph's Anvil Ring in a Trial of the Gods lol, I didn't see it

[low bear]

for Mel Torches, aphro is pretty good and spam omega special

[plain fossil]

Yea u gotta get used to heph it took me a minute

He's not that obvious but u get a feel for the tempo

[low bear]

then it's up to you what you like on Attack, Hera/Dem/Pos are good

[timber pawn]

Oof

[tired fulcrum]

I hate how half the time trials are just slowly trickling trash mobs for almost a full minute

[plain fossil]

I just pretend i have a sea serpent lobbing bombs at me all zone and thats a good enough simulation

[low bear]

Trial gods difficulty ranking?

[warped fjord]

Oh yeah i havent met hera yet, this is gonna be exciting i bet

[low bear]

I feel like Zeus is hardest this time around

easiest is hephy or hera imo

[spare kite]

I always think aphro is ez then I lose dds to her

[low bear]

nah I hate Aphro's

Hephy is kind enough to give you a sound cue too

[bleak night]

btw I hear Preserved Hope still works through Scars ?

[low bear]

yep don't tell SGG

[plain fossil]

Assuming i dont need to use omegas (which makes a big difference): zeus demeter hestia apollo heph aphro poseidon hera

[bleak night]

ooh lol

[zenith bolt]

i love having no commotion and getting a room with TWO DOZEN HIPPOS

[plain fossil]

If i need to use omegas then aphro and poseidon go up above everyone except zeus

[narrow verge]

i'm surprised they haven't fixed it yet

[low bear]

preserved has saved my butt quite a few times

[timber pawn]

I swear those rooms are new

[low bear]

What are hippos

[zenith bolt]

homing shot, explode-on-death, run away from you all the times, asshats in oceanus

[timber pawn]

The seahorse things that spit homing grenades, ya

[low bear]

I HATE THOSE

MAN I HATE THEM

THEY RUN AWAY SO MUCH TAKE A MILLION YEARS TO DIE AND HOMING PROJECTILES SUCK

[plain fossil]

Hippos ok

Yellow hippos not ok

[low bear]

Skull rooms in Tart are the worst tho

[plain fossil]

Why can skulls activate their defensive tp while frozen its bs

[low bear]

I love it when I have the Hera boon that deals damage to all hitched enemies when one dies on the skull room

[narrow verge]

dying wish is such a good boon

[low bear]

It's really visually satisfying too

[past salmon]

Hera simply stays winning

[spare kite]

Playing fluid gain moros to prepare myself for born gain being stabbed and this is kinda fun ngl

[plain fossil]

Fluid gain is good more ppl should click it

[hollow stag]

About channel speed buffs,

Do they stack additionally or multiplicatively?

[plain fossil]

Its god efficient whenever u want to click poseidon attack

And imma be honest clicking hera for born again is one of my personal more feelsbadman things in h2

[low bear]

Problem is I keep getting fluid gain with pos atk/speciql lmao

[plain fossil]

Hera support boons if u dont have a good source of hitch just suck im sorry

[low bear]

Demetet supprts on the other hand are so good

[uneven flicker]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503721519369945090/1250304628998930515/image.png?ex=666a746d&is=666922ed&hm=3159744c198367293bdc900fb3f1d43376d22431865dc2de383b7cdb5a74ccd7&
It was so much damage i genuinely didn't notice how fast I was killing chronos, it just dropped dead out of nowhere for me 😭

[timber pawn]

On... Charon axe?

[low bear]

Must be

[uneven flicker]

momus 😔

[timber pawn]

Hell of a setup haha

[uneven flicker]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503721519369945090/1250305277958557696/image.png?ex=666a7507&is=66692387&hm=7a8aa8a1c3940f8e787904fb983a43ede2830b32c5cf2bf49158280d8a2b8020&

cast is so much fun ngl

[plain fossil]

Cast momus is pretty fun i just find it a bit bricked if u dont assemble voltron

[civic ocean]

I feel like this on charon you would actually OOM yourself

[plain fossil]

One thing i really like is that u can drop a regular cast while ur omega is still going tho thats cool

[timber pawn]

That's fair thay would be a lot of mp lol

[plain fossil]

Or at least during the repeats

[uneven flicker]

imagine if I had gotten Chasm from Chaos too 😭

it was so perfect

[spare kite]

Why are hippos so baaaaad

[low bear]

Nerf hippos

Or limit 1 to 2 max per room

[quartz plaza]

are the side rooms (i.e. the rooms you get after a room in ephyra) always non-boons? i.e. can skip if pressed for time?

[low bear]

Yep

[plain fossil]

U can skip anything for time man no room is ever worth taking 100 because u messed up timer

[uneven flicker]

I think they are always minor rewards yes

[civic ocean]

they do have elements in them sometimes!

[low bear]

Sometimes you get a hermes shop

[zenith bolt]

refer to previous hippo complaints

[plain fossil]

Side rooms can have small major rewards like centaur heart, money, pom etc but not boons. However they can also have hermes shop which can give boons

[civic ocean]

hippos+blood shades + lasers + tiny oceanus room

[uneven flicker]

dude,,, a room with 34058 coin bags tho WITH ARMOR 😭

[zenith bolt]

i think i've gotten centaur souls (max hp but no healing) from side rooms in ephyra?

[plain fossil]

U can also get those

[low bear]

I've never found coin bags annoying

[uneven flicker]

it's only a problem where's there's too many, and no matter where you go there's a beam being shoved up

[zenith bolt]

taking the side path is actually bait sometimes because you get back on the main rooms and then suddenly you're fighting 10 elite wretched thugs and 50 elite numbskulls

[violet temple]

20 lasers vs your death defiance

[civic ocean]

I'm down for coinbags Thugs and Verminancers and Shield Heros are my least fave

[uneven flicker]

at least the mini bosses in that area are some of the easiest imo

[plain fossil]

Coinbag my most favourite tart mob ngl

[zenith bolt]

satyr hoplites actually make me wanna cry

[low bear]

I wish normal tart rooms gave rewards

[plain fossil]

Yea since they giganerfed big coinbag lul

[zenith bolt]

somehow they're always blocking

[violet temple]

what direction do they block

[civic ocean]

shield heroes

[zenith bolt]

all of them

[plain fossil]

My least favourite is big verminmancer that guy has so much area denial

[violet temple]

wdym 😭

[uneven flicker]

I feel like it's kinda inconsistent, they either block everything or NOTHING at all

[zenith bolt]

ive hit them from behind on medea before and had my _ get blocked

[uneven flicker]

it's weird

[civic ocean]

Yeah their block is wack

[low bear]

Hour glass are the deadlist in tart imo

[plain fossil]

Also big satyr in ephyra can eat my ass

Mess up little bit TAKE 100

[civic ocean]

I'm getting better at tart

[zenith bolt]

like tf you mean Blocked! that shield is OVER THERE

[uneven flicker]

getting stopped by a dumb ass hourglass before you could reach the safe point on Chrono's OHKO.....

[zenith bolt]

satyr champion is easily the hardest miniboss and it's like not a contest

[narrow verge]

just dodge it instead

[civic ocean]

really looking forward to grinding this guy

[zenith bolt]

my ass IS getting shipped back to the crossroads in a box

[uneven flicker]

I never had issues with it personally 😭

i find the uhhh snake thing on oceanus far more annoying

[zenith bolt]

deep serpent is fine if you aren't medea

[narrow verge]

am I alone in hating phantom

[plain fossil]

Or mel blades 😦

[low bear]

Running 7 min timer and getting charybdis tho

[zenith bolt]

like it's still top 3 miniboss in difficulty but it's not as bad as the surface ones

[plain fossil]

Probably, that guy is one trick pony

[zenith bolt]

chary is like 2/3 of an actual straight up boss and satyr champion is just miserable

[civic ocean]

phantom is brutal but once you get the read on him you can manip him pretty easy

[narrow verge]

he's just annoying

[zenith bolt]

reposting this
my miniboss difficulty ranking (from most to least)

1. satyr champion (ephyra)
2. charybdis (rift of thessaly)
3. deep serpent (oceanus)
4. phantom (fields of mourning)
5. root-stalker (erebus)
6. queen lamia (fields of mourning)
7. goldwrath (tartarus)
8. verminancer (tartarus)
9. uh-oh (oceanus)
10. shadow-spiller (erebus)

[uneven flicker]

i srsly though charys was the zone boss 💀

[plain fossil]

I mean he doesnt have much hp and once u understand what it does it cant hit u

[uneven flicker]

so much effort and for what

[low bear]

Toni is easiest imo

[narrow verge]

throwback to when goldwrath was the most dangerous thing in the entire game

[low bear]

Same lmao

[plain fossil]

I have phantom below goldwrath and root stalker above seaserpent otherwise agree

[violet temple]

I fought charybdis on my first normal surface run and was in pain when I found out I still had to continue afterwards

[plain fossil]

Root stalker is kinda troll now ngl

[low bear]

The ads are deadlier than serpent himself

[zenith bolt]

phantom does psychic damage to me when he heals from the little dudes

[narrow verge]

real

[low bear]

Phantom I have ro learn to not ungga

[uneven flicker]

no because rs, why tf is he so final zone boss coded 😭 they had NO REASON to put that much effort in a random miniboss that you might never see

[violet temple]

what exactly is the mechanic there

behind phantom heal

[zenith bolt]

phantom heals when it does damage to you
it also heals a lot if it vacuum succs a little ghost

[plain fossil]

If he succ a little add he heals off it

[dire carbon]

There's this one really dumb idea for a build I want to try and get some time for the memes. Torches with Weed Killer and Heart Breaker/Sunny Disposition, and a strong born gain, so you deal 2/3 of your DPS with heartthrobs. I almost got it one time and it was already devastating but I never got WK so I couldn't waste magick fast enough

[low bear]

He's deceptively tanky despite having no armpr

[narrow verge]

weed killer by itself is a wincon on torches tbh

[zenith bolt]

yea chary is like 2/3 of an actual boss, she's tough

[civic ocean]

yeah Pink Aura was a thing on special last patch, so this should work pretty well

[plain fossil]

My priority list for phantom is:

1. Stay behind him

2. Dont eat little add damage

3. Clear out little adds

4. Dps boss

[zenith bolt]

my priority list is kill the adds -> kill him

[uneven flicker]

wym i can't just run to him with zero care and no plan

[plain fossil]

If u dont follow rule 1 u take 100 lul

[zenith bolt]

damage isnt real, just run the messenger and be lucky

[plain fossil]

Ur allowed to skip rule 2 if ur fine randomly taking damage

[zenith bolt]

evade evade evade goated as usual

[low bear]

Imagine if hera cast applied hitch instead of whatever the hell engagement ring is

[uneven flicker]

why IS engagement ring

i feel like it's the worst cast lmao maybe i just don't know how to build it

[dire carbon]

I kinda wonder if they planned it to be hitch and then figured that was too good

[violet temple]

the only thing engagement ring is good for is killing those surface skulls

[civic ocean]

My notes for Phantom:

-If you stand far away and dash in when he praises the sun you can run around his back and mess him up

-he claws in straight line twice go sideways on windup

[zenith bolt]

engagement ring has value for Going Fast™️ but beyond that idk

[uneven flicker]

so... it's literally useless, which a shame cuz it's the visually prettiest one 🙄

[uneven flicker]

wrong reply ugh meant to reply this

[quartz plaza]

oh wow this doubles toula's dd https://i.imgur.com/HQHMC7C.png

[civic ocean]

engagement ring kinda goodge in earlygame

[low bear]

engagement wrong might have been cool if it allowed you to freely replace the cast whenever you want

[civic ocean]

it just like kills all the little stuff

[low bear]

it's not worth giving up your cast slot tho imo

[zenith bolt]

just be like me and forget you have a cast for 2/3 of the run 👍

[uneven flicker]

be like me and only do apollo Solar Ring runs over and over and over 👍

[dire carbon]

Good rarity can carry Erebus, but past that it's useless

[low bear]

and the longer cast is actually bad since you can place a new one almost instantly anyway

[civic ocean]

oceanus has lots of little stuff too

[zenith bolt]

engagement ring on the little fish 🤤

[low bear]

also what the hell is the Zeus legendary lmao

[violet temple]

I think I'd rather have engagement ring than aphrodite cast but they both kinda suck so

[uneven flicker]

being longer would be nice if it did damage over time like Zeus, Demeter or Hestia

[low bear]

what a far cry from Splitting Bolt

[zenith bolt]

what if winter harvest but with no swag

[dire carbon]

That's the 7% less enemies one, right?

[spare kite]

Fluid gain moros 32f done :p

[low bear]

yep

[spare kite]

This run was so sad lmfao

[dire carbon]

Yeah, that one disappoints me

[zenith bolt]

on current moros you could probably run like non-aq scorch and still do fine

[quartz plaza]

woot! did above ground 32F

[low bear]

Static Shock is more of a legendary than Zeus lego lmao

[spare kite]

And of note
Carried by night bloom

[zenith bolt]

zeus' real legendary is AQ

[dire carbon]

Yeah, SS is the best boon in the game IMO

[narrow verge]

engagement ring is pretty ok

[low bear]

it's not the best, but it's really fun

[quartz plaza]

Mint Condition MVP https://i.imgur.com/vY5bdjr.png

[narrow verge]

oh i was scrolled up

[quartz plaza]

ignore the 6 used DDs >.>

[dire carbon]

the one case where ER is actually good is when what you want is the longer duration

[low bear]

SIX DDS

[zenith bolt]

mods, move this user's personal belongings a few inches to the left

[narrow verge]

it one shots witches in the hecate fight which is pretty cool

[quartz plaza]

hermes + circe doubling toula's :D

[uneven flicker]

I always forget Poseidon exists gang i can't lie 😭 his cast is also pretty meh

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1250311018437935206/image.png?ex=666a7a60&is=666928e0&hm=ce4f8761cebd1fda665fb33d4f36d7af7f55c73a072eaa1a78f651911e23fe72&

[narrow verge]

noooooo

[quartz plaza]

i went super aggro when eris was at 10% and lost DDs in the last 10 seconds, not really sure why....

[low bear]

poseidon cast is pretty bad

[zenith bolt]

geyser ring is alright on persephone (and maybe momus too? need to test)

[quartz plaza]

given i had 1:50 on the clock

[dire carbon]

Arguably best for Charon, but on its own not great

[narrow verge]

geyser ring is kind of insane on momus

[violet temple]

good on momus and charon

[dire carbon]

That too

[spare kite]

lost 1 defiance per region I think lmao

[civic ocean]

its bugged rn isnt very good with charon

[uneven flicker]

yeah seems very weapon dependent, at least the others hold their own

[dire carbon]

For Charon it has the advantage that there's no delay like SR

[spare kite]

and did pin cuz I lost tooth in fields

[civic ocean]

Geyser ring doesn't get the Charon bonuses

[zenith bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362939825000677377/1250311360269783111/20240604202639_1.jpg?ex=666a7ab1&is=66692931&hm=8a0674b6a09c2a4965b81db992fbe08b0d786ad2269d0d7b6a376241a4952763& this was my persephone 32 with geyser ring, so it's alright

[dire carbon]

Did a run a bit ago and I'm pretty sure it did

[civic ocean]

nah it does less dmg than no cast I think if you have furies and charon IIRC

or very close to the same

[zenith bolt]

i might as well test it since im not doing anything better

[dire carbon]

Of course, the real MVP for charon runs is zeus' cast placer

[civic ocean]

persephone is good with geyser

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1250311819160195166/image.png?ex=666a7b1f&is=6669299f&hm=f41045e3cdb48ec403ff6f377df6ac4cd242cfa4d870e9d54452bdb0540264bb& the real prize

[dire carbon]

I'm not sure whether to be sad or relieved that Momus can't do super omegas

[spare kite]

this run would have went a lot better if I just used dem's keepsake in oceanus but noooo, I had to try lvl 1 phial just now

[zenith bolt]

charon, moon + furies: 400
charon, moon + furies, blue geyser ring: 250

[civic ocean]

yeah don't take geyser ring on charon

[spare kite]

at least I can tell myself I'm good at the grandpa fight

[tired fulcrum]

also even though it visually has increased aoe from charon, the hitbox is the same as regular poseidon omega

[civic ocean]

I was depressed to discover that the heph blast from the duo with poseidon

Doesn't trigger vent

[quartz plaza]

wow, starting selene is just :(

esc -> give up because why do that to yourself on a magickless build

[zenith bolt]

wtf it's literally a blast effect with a cd though

sgg pls

[quartz plaza]

3 selen starts in a row does the seed not reset when giving up?

[tired fulcrum]

give up doesnt reset seed

pro strat is to turn on no arcana and all the you die in one hit fears

[zenith bolt]

god i have a terrible idea

geyser ring + torrential downpour momus

[low bear]

How does weed killer interact with mini me

[tired fulcrum]

do momus extra casts trigger torrential

[zenith bolt]

it does iirc

[tired fulcrum]

daybreaker damage counts as a non omega attack

[zenith bolt]

i think it would just boost the daybreaker pulse damage but not any specials from it

[tired fulcrum]

the upside is that huntress works on it

[low bear]

[zenith bolt]

ok we're cooking https://i.imgur.com/JceYYbb.png

ok this really needs saved breath LOL

[quartz plaza]

wow 5m is super tight for erebus

[spare kite]

Manifesting chaos's talent for you

[zenith bolt]

nemesis ate my echo nyooooo

[civic ocean]

I remember that day where the discussion channel had the biggest hate on for nemesis

[zenith bolt]

guess who paid for an ixion and then forgot about the chaos gate

[quartz plaza]

there's no buld that uses lifesteal in some way, right?

which plants are safe to sell for bones? deathcaps only?

[civic ocean]

all of them

[quartz plaza]

aren't they used for something?

[civic ocean]

just get more

[zenith bolt]

yeah you just go way over cost in tartarus unless you take hella magick boosts or have cost reduction (saved breath!!!!)

still, funny

[low bear]

Nemesis griefs so much ugh

Just give me Than back

Is crushing comet good for Eos (special +75 power)

[bleak night]

Echo doesn't like to give me the Death Defiance refresh when I need it, only when I have one missing

[narrow verge]

real

[plain fossil]

Mana staff is the only build in the game that has a lifesteal component

[glossy rivet]

tfw i get hammer in fields then echo chamber next

its nemesis
drops me shade skin
leaves

[hollow stag]

What’s the best cast for Charon Axe?

[plain fossil]

Currently the meta is demeter because arctic ring is stupid but honestly depending on how sweaty u are and what u wanna do u can click anything except geyser ring because geyser ring is asscrack tier

[bleak night]

Want an in-depth answer? I've been playing a lot of Charon lately

[plain fossil]

Arctic ring needs a nerf as much as born gain does btw fite me

Why does it do enough damage to kill small enemies

[past salmon]

Please dont take away the only thing keeping me sane in 53F

[placid sky]

Ayooo, I suck at 2nd Route 3rd boss, any tips or recommended builds to give a try? The ranged shots just destroy me

[plain fossil]

Said all the momus players last patch

[bleak night]

2nd route 3rd boss ?

[plain fossil]

Do u mean eris

[placid sky]

Yea

[past salmon]

😭

[bleak night]

I keep forgetting Charybdis has her own battle you can't reroll

[placid sky]

I didnt wanna say cos spoilers, is that okay here?

[plain fossil]

Ofc

[bleak night]

Spoilers are cool here, don't worry

[placid sky]

Sick! plz help lol

[bleak night]

What weapon are you using vs Eris ?

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1250329080302272532/image.png?ex=666a8b32&is=666939b2&hm=5fefecdd56dd5a03b5289c148e631849ba0fede7766e1d8ce7ed05c9134dd73a&

[placid sky]

I like the dual blades and the dual torches

[bleak night]

You can cheese the boss by running Hestia keepsake and getting her sprint, it destroys about 85-90% of Eris' attacks

[placid sky]

just unlocked aspects, so im still exploring them some but Im a whore for progression so I want to get her beat that 1st time

Ohhhhhhh nice!