h2-builds-and-combat

[bleak night]

I wanna see the funni damage

[robust prism]

sadly no

[bleak night]

awww, rip. You have the post-run victory pic ?

[robust prism]

I was thinking about doing a hex only chronos fight but then the waiting time inbetween was still a bit too annoying

[bleak night]

that's fair

[cursive ruin]

I like that they buffed the selene keepsake to give more points

[zenith bolt]

this is pre-patch but hopefully it lives up to your expectations https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362939825000677377/1244361162775334932/lunar_ray_not_being_trash_for_once.mp4?ex=66654fe4&is=6663fe64&hm=1e564a763c360ac126985b3d40b7c371defacd37f0e779ee50e3ded2fa9eacdb&

[plain fossil]

hey the health recovery hammer on staff works through scars3 i didnt know that

[bleak night]

that is some damage

[bleak night]

oh, damn. Wish my weapon had that lol

[plain fossil]

seems to work properly on momus too unlike some other effects

like wolf howl crit only works on the next skill that u use urself if u have a momus ball going it wont crit

[cursive ruin]

I was surprised that momus repeats omega casts too

[plain fossil]

also just checking its correct to take arachne over chaos trial right

[cursive ruin]

Not particularly useful tho

[robust prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759825872068280371/1248980673021087825/image.png?ex=6665a365&is=666451e5&hm=65fa0d87e7d89d3c388870a349cc9c41a7f91ec416c91296bca315420dda0621& the total damage maybe a bit misleading since the rest of my build was also really strong and most fights were over before I could make much use of it, so most of the lunar ray damage is just bosses I think

[zenith bolt]

both are a free room so it depends on whether you value chaos boon over arachne dress

personally i am very 50/50 about it

[wind kettle]

what are your favourite ways of building medea?

[bleak night]

Still, pretty good damage

[bleak night]

I see people doing Hera on Attack and Zeus on Special with Dem Casts

[turbid hull]

I don't know anything about building I just do stats

[robust prism]

I used moon beam, had like 3 path of stars double up and got one from echo

[turbid hull]

each time someone talks about Echo I think it's me and then I remember

[robust prism]

lmao

[bleak night]

You pref a different name by any chance ?

[turbid hull]

I'm fine with both

[plain fossil]

hey how expensive is a legendary boon in terms of vow of arrogance

[bleak night]

Both? What's the other choice? Chocolat ?

[turbid hull]

Echocolat, Echo or Alex are all fine

[plain fossil]

30 or 40 i forget

[bleak night]

I think 30

[bleak night]

Ah, alrighty then

[plain fossil]

alright this is gonna suck but not as much as 40

[bleak night]

btw Way, I managed to actually get one of my runs recorded

[plain fossil]

man it was 40

[turbid hull]

Rare would be 10, Epic 20, Heroic 30, Legendary 40

[bleak night]

Oh, it's 40 ?

[plain fossil]

gg im screwed

[turbid hull]

Internal order is Common -> Rare -> Epic -> Heroic -> Legendary -> Perfect

[bleak night]

sorryyyy

[turbid hull]

Duo and Infusion Boons are considered Common

[plain fossil]

i could live with 40 mana and born gain but 30 im gonna die to scylla lmao

[bleak night]

oof, what are you running

[plain fossil]

momus

ye i died to scylla sadge

momus honestly pretty good ngl

[bleak night]

btw I'm at a point where I'm going to start recommending Zeus to Mel and Than axe

Static Shock is just so good

[plain fossil]

I KEEP TELLING PEOPLE THIS

NOBODY BELIEVED ME THEY SAID I WAS CRAZY

[bleak night]

I got it on a 45 fear run and it helped me a lot

[knotty fulcrum]

fr I'm doing a run right now and zues-heph duo is actually good. like it's half of my damage

[bleak night]

Mel or Than ?

[knotty fulcrum]

mel. I don't have blitz on attack tho just static shock + duo

[plain fossil]

ppl said the zeus heph duo is bugged i dont think it is

[bleak night]

Blitz on attack isn't good

just go for % boosts since it outdamages the Blitz

[knotty fulcrum]

oh ok. also is pshychic whirl repaired? like it counts as multiple hits now?

[bleak night]

The whirlwind doesn't stack your crit anymore, so doesn't really matter if it got fixed or not lol

gotta use your basic attacks on Than for it. But on Mel, it had no issues ever

[knotty fulcrum]

well it does in some places no? for example with static shock

[bleak night]

Oh, was that an issue before ?

[knotty fulcrum]

I think so but I'm not 100% sure

I know for sure that it was a issue for that artemis boon that shoots an arrow on every strike

[bleak night]

I think it should be good now

give it a try, I suppose Hopefully it stacks

[knotty fulcrum]

maybe I'll pick it if I get the chance

[inner ivy]

full salvo works with melinoe aspect right? as all shots get the full power bonus?

[knotty fulcrum]

in the previous patch it was not working, not sure about this one tho

[inner ivy]

@past salmon skull lover, do you know?

[past salmon]

I think it was bugged at one point
But its also just bad
So never take it imo

[inner ivy]

wait wut it's bad? :0 If it works i thought it'd increase dps by quite a bit

[past salmon]

idk it always feels bad
Probably cuz its bugged 😭

[inner ivy]

the alternative is looming ignition

[past salmon]

Looming is good
Big AOE for room clear

[inner ivy]

oh lol i mean yea it'd feel bad with the bug

yea i tried looming before and it was solid. the % buff is also good with the power

ehh ill let somebody else do the post-patch testing then. thanks guys

I just had 5 boulders in an oceanus room wtf

[bleak night]

since when was this 400 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1248988845014257664/image.png?ex=6665ab01&is=66645981&hm=17c3826265ce9151f1463c317b3977341d86bc21d202e45795c1b6586199f9e4&

I could swear it's only 300

[shadow marsh]

It used to be 300

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah I think it was 200 250 300

[bleak night]

It's 300 rn as a rank 3 on mine

I guess it was 400 a long while back ?

[spare kite]

Rank 4 numbers by accident maybe?

[bleak night]

odd, I was excited for a bit because I thought it gave me 100 extra seconds to mess around

[proven orbit]

Wouldnt that be 350 then

I doubt rank 4 just doubles the step for no reason

[spare kite]

I don't have it maxed I'm just guessing

[bleak night]

max it out, it's a really fun keepsake

[past salmon]

#h2-victory-boasting message
yay

[spare kite]

It is, but lvling keepsake is still such a chore

[inner ivy]

is soul mate (Aphro hera duo) actually bad on high heat room clears

[bleak night]

What does that do again

[spare kite]

Was gonna post about keepsakes on feedback and saw someone calling mint condition not useful

[merry flint]

hitch is now for 2 targets only

[inner ivy]

enemies with hitch take 20% more damage and weakened, but only 2 can be affected

[bleak night]

TF LMAO

[past salmon]

Bro 😭

[merry flint]

i have all the lame keepsakes like Moon Beam and Silken Sash and stuff left

[tall notch]

Smh Mynt haters all over the place

[past salmon]

Mint condition is like top 3 boons in the game

[bleak night]

That's kinda whack, idk I kinda hate it

[merry flint]

this is why we need a downvote button

[bleak night]

huh?

[obsidian acorn]

silken sash is goated. you can upgrade it and use the highest arachne armor and just never die

[tall notch]

They're calling mynt condition bad

[inner ivy]

lolwtf it's so good

[grizzled tartan]

Because it is (idk what it does)

[past salmon]

yeh its literally top 3 boons i think
I would have to actually look at every boon in the game to say for sure tho

[merry flint]

I run through armor pretty quick so no point

[spare kite]

That's not the worst part
They want it reworked

[merry flint]

mods we need to return them to shadow

[spare kite]

(similar to broken spearpoint of H1)

[inner ivy]

ok yea, seems like it's not worth it unless you're like right before chronos

[past salmon]

yeh if you get it before chronos its just a damage up against him

[turbid hull]

It's 200 / 250 / 300 / 350

[bleak night]

mistake on the leaderboard's part then

[turbid hull]

Yes

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1248993858700968018/image.png?ex=6665afad&is=66645e2d&hm=98a86ad622532b0a7b0f81b7855d46747c540b59f301b392a730467c8aba324d&
Skulls are the best 🙏

[spare kite]

The worst part of the post is that idk if people are agreeing on the cooldowns part or about mint condition lmfao

Split up your poooooosts people

[merry flint]

new momus + seismic hammer would be so cool if Seismic hammer didn't have a 15 second cooldown

[slate pecan]

no arachne, cocoons or artemis, still made it to p3 of hecate :/ i hate it here

[merry flint]

if it like activated every cast it'd turn the cast into a power hammer

[slate pecan]

or fountain chamber, for that matter. had basically full build

[robust prism]

lmao

[robust prism]

most of the upvotes probably just think that heph boons overall are kinda meh which I sorta agree with

it's like mint condition, trusty shield and... that's about it?

[slate pecan]

heavy metal is okay i think, and the +% dmg to armor

[robust prism]

I mean yeah it's alright Ig

it's mostly the core boons which are meh

[proven orbit]

Idk, volcanic flourish is plenty strong to offsource some dps and focus on attack/cast

[merry flint]

having a god who's sole purpose is to be offclassing is a bit eh

[proven orbit]

Volcanic strike is stuck inbetween though, too fast cooldown to be fire and forget, too slow to be main dps

[robust prism]

I guess, I would still never actively go for hephy as a top choice with pretty much any of the core boons, only if there's really nothing better

[merry flint]

Adamant Shard is my least used god keepsake because i dont have a legitimate reason to open a build with heph, better to gamble on getting him in a run

[robust prism]

yea

[merry flint]

so all of its uses just come from 'im grinding duos' or 'im grinding the keepsake'

[proven orbit]

Trusty shield 1st boon op, trust

[past salmon]

nooooo

[spare kite]

Trusty shield start sounds like divine dash starts
Safe? You bet
Dmg? Lol, lmao

[slate pecan]

was missing only trusty shield pretty much, but heph was already in the pool, had his strike and heavy metal

[past salmon]

yeah my shard was lvl 2 for ages I only ever brought for oceanus if I got Demeter and Hera in Erebus already

[merry flint]

hey atleast you can build around athena for main damage

[slate pecan]

artemis never cares, only nemesis understands

[past salmon]

counter point https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247782897457303562/1248978374001688608/20240608223401_1.jpg?ex=6665a141&is=66644fc1&hm=0558a5204ac185d823b07688f394ea28e47c4bfffb64dcdd968644f58ccbc260&

[slate pecan]

i have no memory of this place

[past salmon]

thanks for the big pom nemesis 😭

[inner ivy]

just did an 18 minute run and that's my fastest probs :')

[merry flint]

wait that isn't restricted? 😭

[slate pecan]

would've met vow of desperation 3 pog

[spare kite]

Nem still cares
She just chose a bad moment

[past salmon]

also shoutouts to just not getting a special boon in that run and my entire damage was just rank 4 blackened fleece because I got cherished keepsake before flourish from hera 😭
That one died to Chronos tho

[past salmon]

lets go baby
this is what im saying
Timer 3 is free
Just go quick

[inner ivy]

still practicing fury 2 and it's a bit better now, but had demeter and heph this run so i could play much more aggressively. Almost no hit chronos until got hit by two light wheels in final summons phase rip

[merry flint]

55 fear as a limit sucks, forced to take calisthenics program too early

[slate pecan]

end up like me storming through erebus and not getting skips ending up in hecate timer death 💀

[inner ivy]

I hate struggle so hard with chronos phase 2 summon

[inner ivy]

haha, didn't have hp, revs, rebuke or commotion though

[slate pecan]

i actually wish i saved that replay but i insta deleted it like i always do

[past salmon]

I tried a couple 53F attemps just to see how bad it is btw

[slate pecan]

oh interesting, which vow are you not maxing?

[inner ivy]

also im really slow with some weapons esp flames. even after buffs it feels awkward

[past salmon]

Rebuke

[slate pecan]

makes sense. skull? medea?

[past salmon]

I got 2 oceanus attempts, one on each of Medea and Mel skulls
Mel skulls is basically impossible to get out of erebus unless you get cracked RNG
Medea can do it with basically just antler but its so absurdly dangerous
53F Medea is very doable if you play out of your goddamn mind and simply dont get hit

[slate pecan]

i was thinking 52f removing 1 lvl of desperation when old momus was a thing

[inner ivy]

i actually forgot to turn on panic and optimize my arcana for my no magick melinoe skulls though

[slate pecan]

lol sounds exactly like my struggle with 50 pan

in first 3 chambers i need 2 of the following 3: hook knives, special and born gain

i don't reroll when i don't get them but i already know it's usually not going anywhere

[past salmon]

yeah Pan is so reliant on RNG its crazy
Medea is not rlly reliant at all but its impossible to like
not die lol

Like no Arcana Medea on 30hp with just toula ??
Yeh gl lmao

[slate pecan]

hehe yeah damn

[glossy rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247452906848915477/1248998366189322250/image.png?ex=6665b3df&is=6664625f&hm=3767a5405bd2c9792400951cde30bcb220e596ce2ff6af21465e1d536e9649b0& how do i make thanaxe go FASTER

man having hell splitter on top of that would have been so good

[slate pecan]

even if i get what i need there's still a good chance i lost multiple defiances in those 3 chambers, because melee sister blades on 30 hp 💀

[past salmon]

yep this is basically medea lol

for some reason playing on 30hp with the weapon that requires you to ram ur face into the enemy is not very safe or reliable

[slate pecan]

oh it's more consistent than my "brilliant" silver wheel start strat

[past salmon]

Nah you were cooking
I am a full Unseen believer now you dont understand

[slate pecan]

that's for sure. also, i believe in you, i give you 1000 tries

[past salmon]

I did 45F Persephone with no gain boon only unseen 😭

[spare kite]

Phase shift can give you +30% during its effect (blue node)
Could use midnight oil instead if you want permanent uptime

[slate pecan]

imagine first >50f run

[past salmon]

im not gonna be doing 53F attempts anytime soon lol I did it for like under 2 hrs today and it was so draining
Im gonna chill out for a while I think

[slate pecan]

fair. don't fall for that sunk cost fallacy that i did 😂

[past salmon]

honestly im chilling with first 50F run that isnt Momus

and I always said I dont want to play without arcana because it becomes too RNG heavy

The only reason I am even considering 53F is because Medea doesnt seem too RNG with antler its just like
Absurdly mechanically demanding for the whole run

[plain fossil]

Just put urself in the shoes of someone clearing rooms in 2 minutes each okay

[spare kite]

No thanks

[past salmon]

Old Oceanus Medea moment

I loved being on a good 45F run and then seaserpentroom.mp4

[inner ivy]

yea how did you do it with no gain. does unseen give magick or smth? i dont rmb

[long musk]

Can hephestus' big chunk damage crit?

just thinking of a build but not sure it would work

[past salmon]

yeah unseen is magick regen but its generally really bad 😭

[slate pecan]

unseen is the 5* grasp arcana magic regen, i think it gives 4/sec when not channeling?

[past salmon]

isnt it 5

[merry flint]

unseen should be base mel why can't this girl regen magic

[inner ivy]

oh cool, ill keep that in mnid when i have no gains lol

[long musk]

nah max level it's 4

[past salmon]

yeah thought so

[inner ivy]

chilling on 50f 💀

[past salmon]

I meant grasp

[merry flint]

yeah its 5 grasp

[long musk]

no it's 4 for both

[merry flint]

i remember swapping it for strength

[long musk]

5 GRASP??

[past salmon]

??
its definitely not
Am I insane

[slate pecan]

5 grasp i stand corrected. anyway, it's really bad, i was only considering it to be able to start regenerating with silver wheel before i get a gain, which actually kind of worked? though i was too slow in erebus most of the time

[past salmon]

no it is 5 grasp
Yeah
stop making me doubt myself

[long musk]

Yeah it's 5 grasp 4 per second regen

[inner ivy]

oh wait nvm i got it mixed up with one of the hades boons lmao

[long musk]

Again, can hephestus's abilities crit?

[spare kite]

Ik is 5 cuz it was the only card to trigger centaur in tech test

[slate pecan]

i think so

[plain fossil]

Hex arcana is 4 🙂

[past salmon]

yes

[spare kite]

Assuming your crit chance is global yeah

[long musk]

Nice, bouta try artemis aspect hephestus cause I hate hephestus and need to level his keepsake

[spare kite]

Something like white antler/pp works, something like artemis aspect won't

[past salmon]

Also artmemis boons like all go crazy Artemis best girl fr fr

[long musk]

awww realy?

welp nvm

[past salmon]

Artemis aspect is crit chance on specifically your attacks/specials

[spare kite]

Artemis aspect crit chance is just for your strike (aka the weapon part)

[slate pecan]

she always comes when i'm on good pace but low on defiances 😂

[spare kite]

Old Thanatos is the only aspect that had global crit no

[long musk]

Also why do my testaments level up exponentially

Like they double every time I do them, what gives.

[slate pecan]

ehh for real, i feel so defeated right now. my last run could've been the one, now that i think about it, even though while i was still running it i wasn't considering it as i was expecting something to go terribly wrong. and it did :/

[merry flint]

yeah that's how they are

[past salmon]

sometimes erebus RNG just goes insane tbf
I had a 50F attempt on Medea get out with selene start earlier in the day I cleared
Like it was crawling out but it still got out

[merry flint]

2/4/8/12/16/(20/24) depending on weapon

[slate pecan]

they won't double forever, they start increasing by 4 i think or in some cases 8

[long musk]

oh ok

[astral edge]

they are fixed, they go 2/4/8/12/16/20/24 for each weapon

[merry flint]

some weapons skip 20, others skip 24

[long musk]

1/2/4/8/16/then 20 or 24 right?

[astral edge]

they do? oh, I didn't notice that

[long musk]

then I'm aty like max testament for blades

[astral edge]

makes sense though, making room for surface zone bosses to slot in

[long musk]

gotta start using the Skugags Skulls

[slate pecan]

you can do this! get that sweet nightmare

[merry flint]

does imply that Surface gets a 3rd zone only tbh

[long musk]

I want it so bad

[past salmon]

im sorry what did you have to say about the skulls?

[merry flint]

medea skull come on its fun

[long musk]

yes

[plain fossil]

Ok time to do another run maybe i wont get GRIEFED by mynt this time

[past salmon]

Would you like me to drop my Skull advice essay on you @long musk

[merry flint]

medea skull sold me on skull

[long musk]

I've attempted the holy hand grenade of antioch build like 3 times. Whats the secret

[long musk]

ahh shoot I'm outnumbered here

[merry flint]

I just spam Attack>Omega Special

[past salmon]

All 3 Skull aspects in my opinion are very good and useable atm!
I have 50F on Medea, 48F on Melinoe Skulls and 45F on Persephone. (45F Persephone is easily doable I just havent gotten around to it, will eventually do 48 medea when I feel like it)

Melinoe skulls are probably the better overall
Hera attack absolutely goes on this one, although I recently had a run where I ended up with apollo and the room clear with it is very good!
Mel skulls can play very very safe or super agro, on bosses I reccomend you learn to play super close to the boss because this is how Mel skulls does damage on par with Medea. Demeter is super valuable on all of the skull weapons for cast support since skulls are inherently quite dangerous to play, medea for obvious reasons and the others to collect skulls (although persephone is actually omega safe but Ill get to that later)
Hammers you want for Melinoe skulls are Bolstered Array or Possessed Array primarily but Looming Ignitionis very good too! Fetching array is useable but I wouldnt take it unless I already have bolstered. 1/2

[slate pecan]

don't let Foolish get started lol too late

[spare kite]

Mel skull is so comfy

[long musk]

yeah thats what =I be doin

[past salmon]

Medea is my personal favourite Skull aspect
I reccomend Hera attack and zeus on special, the gameplan is simple, kill everything. This weapon is designed to be played FAST. Demeter is even better support for this one, getting freeze on your cast makes this aspect WAY safer to use I highly reccomend.
Best Hammers for Medea are possessed array and Collosus Tackle
bolstered array is good aswell. Looming ignition and the other special hammers are okay
If you are playing medea, put the vow of panic on along with the huntress arcana for free damage since you wont be using your omegas

Persephone is newly buffed and is SUPER duper fun now
Best build I have found is Zeus on Cast and Hera on Special, if you get lightning lance along with Zeus cast you can play the game without ever being in any danger. You will probably need a gain boon of some kind with this one. Make sure to put on the moon Arcana! It makes it WAY better.
General strategy is to cast enemies until glory fills up and then clear the room with omega special. If you get multiple hera boons such as hereditary bane and dying wish you will find yourself clearing rooms with one omega special.
Best Hammer for Persephone is twisting crash although the other special hammers in Mega Driver and Collosus are good too.

Sorry for wall of text
2/2

[plain fossil]

Why do i always end up with death card in my arcana setup

[long musk]

idk

[past salmon]

my skull advice essay is out of date smh

[merry flint]

death's pretty good ig

[plain fossil]

Death card is so mediocre but theres no better things for some of these builds 😦

[spare kite]

The whatever card

[slate pecan]

it's funny how i literally used to hate 3/5 weapons here, but in time they all grew on me

torches too weird, axe too slow, skull too.. idk something was wrong about it

[plain fossil]

The 26/30 grasp card

[long musk]

yeah. I used to only rock styaff, blades, and axe but I got used to the updated flames. Skull i'm figuring out

[past salmon]

the only weapon I really disliked at the start tbf was Staff because all 3 aspects were either complete garbage or
momus
lmao

[merry flint]

Seismic Hammer is equivalent to a 1 Pom Epic Volcanic Strike or a 1 Pom Heroic Volcanic Flourish

[long musk]

What's everybodys burn high schore?

[past salmon]

burn?

[long musk]

yeah, Hestia effect'

[merry flint]

Scorch is mid so i don't stack it much

[plain fossil]

U mean the largest scorch stack? Idk like 8000 on eris lmao

[past salmon]

idk I dont run hestia she sucks 💀

[merry flint]

just get Hearth Gain/Glowing Coal 🙏

[long musk]

We need a channel for this, meme channel for burn stack high scores

[plain fossil]

Everybody here will have the same number on the same boss lul

[slate pecan]

idk when i was still running hestia i was doing fire extinguisher i think it's called, the one that causes scorch to xplode

[long musk]

nah my number thicc

[past salmon]

Soot Sprint go cray cray

[long musk]

My record is like 37000 burn on Chronos with aspect of Eos

[robust prism]

yeah hestia really needs some love atm

kinda like heph in that she has a few really good boons but the rest is kinda meh

[long musk]

yeah

[plain fossil]

Its ok theyll fix flame strike and flame flourish next patch believe

[spare kite]

I've seen people with like 100k scorch I think

[long musk]

how could hephestus be buffed &/or reworked

[past salmon]

Yeah like Heph has Mint condition which everyone knows is pretty bad
@spare kite right?

[spare kite]

Lmfao

[long musk]

Winter coat is broken for than aspect though

[past salmon]

omg you did it

[long musk]

what?

[past salmon]

you found a scenario where winter coat is better than trusty shield
Wtf

[spare kite]

Hestia for me has been the origination god or air fryer

[long musk]

shrugs

[past salmon]

I didnt think it was possible
ur insane

[robust prism]

true, actual worst boon in the game

[merry flint]

worlds most dangerous amateur

[long musk]

ouch

[robust prism]

#h2-feedback message btw this is pretty funny lol

[past salmon]

yeh wtf that is f'd up me and Dr.Pop r homies

[robust prism]

like with that setup no wonder it wasn't fun

[long musk]

fr

[merry flint]

most dangerous though big props

[spare kite]

I agree with the feeling but yeah for 32f uhhh

What's onion doing there

[past salmon]

bro why do people run revs with commotion and rebuke and stuff what are we doing 😭

[merry flint]

i did revs with commotion and rebuke

[plain fossil]

Revs with rebuke is fine just pick them up properly scrub

[spare kite]

Also I really can't tell vow bames lmfao, is timer there

[robust prism]

AND dominance don't forget

[merry flint]

that being said i was using old momus for the statue

[past salmon]

😭

[spare kite]

I still haven't gotten the third statue lmao

[past salmon]

Bro I actually am just never giving my opinion on Vows again I get bullied everytime I open my mouth its so joever

[spare kite]

I don't wanna do surface with just 2 biomes

[long musk]

nah it's actually fun cause you can just grind out like 6 runs in an hour

thats 18 nectars with alchemy

[spare kite]

I also don't like the vows enough to do surface lmfao

[robust prism]

it's not

[merry flint]

shoulda done with old momus

[past salmon]

I mean yeah im not touching high fear surface

[spare kite]

Oldmus stinks

[merry flint]

but the statue is hot

[past salmon]

I will wait for surface to be finished before running it

[spare kite]

I actually hate the statues lmfao

[merry flint]

although personally i prefer the 16 fear statue, tank top mel is peak

[long musk]

pause

[past salmon]

why are we pausing? tank top mel is peak

[long musk]

well, your not wrong

but pause. Just for a second

[spare kite]

Chronos gonna unpause you watch out

[merry flint]

i didn't do the incantation, sorry

[robust prism]

it's extra health, blue hearts, extra speed, extra enemies, revs, reduced healing, extra charon cost, forsaking, onion and magic priming

[spare kite]

[merry flint]

what is preferred for 32 anyways

[long musk]

put it all ont the worst ones

[spare kite]

Just take timer I beg you
The "I can't clear deadline" into having all the time sink pacts/vow is never gonna disappear isn't it

[merry flint]

no

[past salmon]

BRO ITS SO BAD MAN

[knotty fulcrum]

onion but no timer is criminal

[long musk]

Timer is easy

[past salmon]

wahhh timer is impossible
MAYBE BECAUSE YOU KEEP BRINING COMMOTION 3 ONION REVS 2

[merry flint]

Timer's harder than last time

[robust prism]

yeah I mean I sort of understand why they do it but you can't complain if it doesn't feel fun then lmao

[spare kite]

Haelian should post a vid saying "just run timer" to help us all

[long musk]

meeeeh

[spare kite]

(this is what got me to use TD in H1 lmfao)

[long musk]

God 5 minute zones, thats a 10 minute surface 20 minute underworld

[past salmon]

timer at 32 just means play faster it doesnt make the game actively harder like putting on onion does like please bro 😭

[long musk]

7 min is soooo much more time. 28 minute underworld 14 minute surface

[spare kite]

Like I get that timer sounds scary but also my fellow in Christ, you took the time sinking vows

[knotty fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1239577596749025311/1249004971844702228/image.png?ex=6665ba06&is=66646886&hm=fa7f928bcb4c180523575ec5de442abea67ac7b3943c15c9c2098d2e430badb6& thoughts? (for moros)

[robust prism]

yeah onion for 32 fear underworld is wild

surface is fine tho

[plain fossil]

omg STOP CLICKING INFERNO BOMB i keep thinking surely this wont do 100 to me this time

i would probably take blue shields for moros ngl

[robust prism]

I think for Moros rebuke is pretty easy to turn on, I'd probably take that plus one more scars but turn off dominance completely

[plain fossil]

i find vow of blood pretty uncomfortable but u can take it if u like

[knotty fulcrum]

which one is that?

[spare kite]

I did rebuke 1 iirc

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah that's what I'll do I think

[plain fossil]

vow of blood is the damage one

[knotty fulcrum]

oh yeah but it's 5 fear idk

[spare kite]

I'm really just gonna use the H1 names at this point

[plain fossil]

i generally take suffering over it and click heph so i can ignore it

[knotty fulcrum]

also I start with hera for regen is that bad or? I plan on getting aphro later for attack

[merry flint]

hera is broken regen so

[spare kite]

That's what I did

[robust prism]

nah that's good

[spare kite]

But also took hera attack instead

[robust prism]

honestly I'd probably take hera attack over aphro as well if you can

[merry flint]

H1 timer was much better tbh i did go back and play H1 32 heat all weapons

[slate pecan]

lol i thought victory boasting was builds and combat was surprised noone typing there 😂

[robust prism]

tho it might not be possible cause of forsaking

[past salmon]

😭

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah might do that as well but then maybe commotion would have been better

well anyways it's a test run I'll try 40f after this

[spare kite]

Omg the run history is so bad lmfao

[robust prism]

definitely wouldn't take commotion at timer 3 even with hitch

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1249006042566623282/image.png?ex=6665bb05&is=66646985&hm=50934a22f1b1ea94671e75d737cad75fe782cd5d07209c1b39d9bd414de00cad&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1249006277531533422/image.png?ex=6665bb3d&is=666469bd&hm=71bc797f703fe06a63feef21083b1ad211532214f57254523be3a8ade4130393& this was my moros setup yesterday

just find heph lmfao

[past salmon]

wait ur run history is all purple is that how its meant to look when ur not running 50F?
😭

[spare kite]

they are all 5-11 fear runs lmfao

I really don't like the current pacts

[merry flint]

yeah

[inner ivy]

ugh trying meli flames and the ohm special cast time feels awful?

[knotty fulcrum]

hope I can find him but I think I'm going demeter keepsake in oceanus

[merry flint]

That's how it looks when you're grinding keepsakes

[silent crow]

what does purple ru history mena

[merry flint]

you won

[spare kite]

wins

[past salmon]

I only have 2 keepsakes left to max

Just ghost onion and wheel arent maxed on my file

[knotty fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1239577596749025311/1249006751957647440/image.png?ex=6665bbaf&is=66646a2f&hm=ddd4aac7cf26a5072db4e58289390242534690eb0a214c589e81a2d4be0aa570& well...

[spare kite]

just get the boons stays eternal

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1249006920698957924/image.png?ex=6665bbd7&is=66646a57&hm=eb7f9d78f35f44d7b12cc8ca5776df52a42e98436377507c81a94cfbbd5a5131& also my keepsakes currently

[past salmon]

omg wait this is like my fear setup no way im no waying rn
I run max scars tho

[knotty fulcrum]

tbh sometimes I run max scars too and just get the money one down. really hate that one even tho I know it's not too bad

[past salmon]

ok that a lil freaky taking money off lol

[spare kite]

+price up hater gang

[long musk]

is hephy any goiod with medea skulls?

[past salmon]

no

[spare kite]

Don't you still want his supports

[past salmon]

oh I mean yeah

[knotty fulcrum]

oh yeah @past salmon what's your medea strategy? want to get a 32 fear with it

[spare kite]

Beo w/o iframes sounds like you just die

[past salmon]

idk my gameplay is dumb dont copy it probs

[robust prism]

brother you're like the only person who beat 50 fear with it

[long musk]

nah i need a medea build rq

[past salmon]

Its still dumb 😭

[long musk]

aphro too generic, Poseidon any good?

[past salmon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RC6rLhDQ6Q
If you want to see how it generally plays ig

[past salmon]

nah
run blitz on special thats one of the funner ones imo

[knotty fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1239577596749025311/1249008323202781347/image.png?ex=6665bd25&is=66646ba5&hm=178454df6e51d775a052be284fa536283db395cb20dc2198ab73bd2d50158546& which one?

[robust prism]

I'm kinda curious how would y'all rank all the gods atm in terms of general usefulness

[past salmon]

Moros?

I think both r pretty good
I would personally take triple on moros probs

[robust prism]

I don't think I've actually ever had leaden spark on it, not sure how the knockbock effect would play out but +10 power should be very strong with it

[spare kite]

I'd take triple too, unless the knockback is pretty weak

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah. I think I'll go triple helix too

[spare kite]

Triple is nice QoL to have more specials go kaboom easy

[past salmon]

S - Demeter
A - Hepheastus, Hera, Zeus, Poseidon?
B- Aphro, Apollo,
C - Hestia

Im probably forgetting a couple my brain is tired

[robust prism]

dang I would have rated aphro and apollo higher

[golden isle]

Hermes?

[robust prism]

doesn't really count

[past salmon]

Herms is like a sidepiece

[knotty fulcrum]

idk man poseidon really isn't that great if you don't do a peseidon only run. like if it's not the main god it's kinda useless

[bleak night]

alright was also able to record this one. I'll do Charon next then I'll move on from Axes for a few days lmao https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247782897457303562/1249009355240505406/image.png?ex=6665be1b&is=66646c9b&hm=3b93ae903abece70a88461756d8df59b0edcfae77f1d1d7d6854738bc806e48b&

[robust prism]

I mean true, but then for some builds poseidon is just far and away the best god

but also double up kinda cracked

[spare kite]

Pos supports are very nice

Infusion kinda goated too

[past salmon]

yeh kinda why he has a ? but his highs are rlly high so

[slate pecan]

what's the thumbnail? can't read the bottom row

[robust prism]

although I guess with the removal of old momus that's pretty much just Pan now huh?

[past salmon]

lmao it was meant to be a placeholder but I havent been bothered to change it
It just says Medea is Free if you Simply dont get hit

[slate pecan]

but you did get hit and anyway it was free heat

[past salmon]

True 50F kinda free ngl

[knotty fulcrum]

does rare crop prime you mana if you have vow of arrogance?

[slate pecan]

jk. i had to make that pun. well done lol 50 is never free

[past salmon]

dunno why ur struggling so much 😭

[slate pecan]

skill issue

[spare kite]

If rare crop itself has rarity some mana will be primed
The crop'd boons won't

[robust prism]

nah

[past salmon]

maybe the real 50F was the friends we made along the way

[knotty fulcrum]

ok perfect thanks

[robust prism]

vow of arrogance only considers the rarity of boons when you pick them up, if they change later it doesn't matter

[bleak night]

I'm not in the mood to do Charon runs, so I'll just do a meme run

[knotty fulcrum]

OMG I hate when chronos brings you to old tartarus. wish it wouldn't happen if you have timer

[bleak night]

I've uploaded 2 45 Fear Axe runs already today, I need a break

[robust prism]

huh? do you mean asphodel

[past salmon]

ur fr so cracked for that

[robust prism]

you can just go to the orb and then not stand in the circle and it will finish way faster

[past salmon]

I need to like go to sleep Ive made poor decisions tonight I have to be up in like 5 hours 💀

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah sorry

[bleak night]

aren't you like doing more than I am lol

[robust prism]

you just won't get a reward

[bleak night]

oooh

[past salmon]

I only did 1 45F run today and suffered on 53F as an experiment which doesnt rlly count

[robust prism]

so asphodel is actually probably faster than most combat rooms

[bleak night]

what aspect is that btw, I can't tell. Also Medea ?

[past salmon]

oh my?

[robust prism]

I think it's Circe

[past salmon]

staff no?

[bleak night]

Ooooh, someone did a 50 on Circe ?

[past salmon]

damn thats cracked

[robust prism]

looks like it, that's definitely surprising lol

[bleak night]

I wonder how they played it, can't wait to see the vod

[robust prism]

one of the last aspects that I thought would do 50 fear

[bleak night]

true

[past salmon]

nah circe is pretty good now I think tbf

it is its own magick regen which is pretty good at high fear

[robust prism]

I guess that's true

[quasi cedar]

Trying to work on my build skills and would like to know what y'all think

Found epic life affirmation first room (+% HP) which was awesome and I see a Hestia room coming up.

Would y'all take the Hestia gain (-% HP) in this situation when presented?

Like I feel like the argument for taking is that the biggest con of the Hestia gain was just being too squishy but life affirmation makes it easier to build up a "safe" amount of health.
Or would you avoid the Hestia gain to fully build towards as much health as possible?

[robust prism]

would the Circe high fear meta be to basically play it like old Momus for building up the serenity?

[proven orbit]

Generally I'd say if you wanted to take hearth gain in first place, life affirmation is the best time to take it

[past salmon]

seems too slow but idk
I want to see vod for that 50F tho

[bleak night]

@timber pawn

[timber pawn]

Ah yup, mirrored thrasher hammer, I think. And all magic primed lol

[bleak night]

Look at his time tho

[robust prism]

me too

[timber pawn]

Ya mirrored thrasher is really strong

That's fast

[robust prism]

what's mirrored thrasher again?

[bleak night]

x2 attack/omega attack but you take 30% more damage

[robust prism]

ah yeah that

[carmine lagoon]

Than with big chop and double chop for 20 magick is so op

[tall notch]

East's attack staff is meta???

[carmine lagoon]

previous than axe may have been better in some ways, but this than axe is more fun

[bleak night]

Alright, hopefully two of my runs are on the leaderboard eventually

[timber pawn]

Probably lol, I had like a 10 minute circe run (low fear) with that hammer. It's really strong

[merry flint]

Hey is Tall Order's activation message bugged?

[bleak night]

What's up with it

[merry flint]

Nothing, just that when i complete the requirements there's no pop saying so

[bleak night]

odd

[merry flint]

I look up tall order, see i need 1 air element, pick one of hermes's air boons, then nothing

[bleak night]

might be worth f10ing

[plain fossil]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/751691459580919834/1249016297837166752/image.png?ex=6665c493&is=66647313&hm=b89172a034f45bb8ad0ed09fe46584c6595439ffe04bed720ae2a7d0a0b6f924&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=750&height=421 man momus is so much fun

turns out attack momus is pretty good but only if u get the vampire hammer that thing is broken wtf

u can play like an actual monkey and still win i only lost DDs because i ran out of mana on chronos and had to autoattack him to death lul

[merry flint]

how long is Staff Omega Attack charge time?

[plain fossil]

too long lmao

feel like about a full second

[merry flint]

bloody miserable on anything that isn't Mel staff

what's the point of serenity if you can't even charge anything good

[plain fossil]

i should try circe but i dont have it leveled

and im having too much fun with turret gameplay

[merry flint]

momus is great, 10/10 engineer gaming

damn, you lucked into omega channel time

[plain fossil]

didnt make a ton of difference tbh i only got it at very end of fields

what made difference was vampire hammer i think i gained like 800 hp off that thing with scars3 on

[delicate python]

Have the devs talked about how each update is spaced?
I know we just had an update but I can't wait to see more

[wild pine]

Is this specificslly for clearing blue shield or just general value

[knotty fulcrum]

it's pretty good generally. I had a run where my attack did like 170k damage and the bolts did like 40-50k. and tht's good for just one boon that doesn't really affect anything. but I also had the zues-heph duo so maybe without that it wouldn't be that good

[granite quail]

does hades' last grasp count the death defiance's you have used before getting it? Like if i have used 3 and then got 3 more from echo can I get 60% more damage?

[bleak night]

general value https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1248944159042306089/image.png?ex=66658163&is=66642fe3&hm=7910fdcfa687d18463254f10157f479aac32a5eae9da30fd60f2ae089fdf9fb0&

It did a good amount of damage

[plain fossil]

static shock op fite me

[knotty fulcrum]

you don't use omega attack ever?

[bleak night]

I tried to get it on my Mel Axe 45, didn't find it

[bleak night]

I'm on Vow of Panic, so I never have mana until I use up a dd

[knotty fulcrum]

fair

[plain fossil]

i would like to point out that the dude up there who did a 50 on circe with 3.5 minutes remaining and 2 dds left also had static shock

[knotty fulcrum]

well for staff it must be even crazier

[bleak night]

dude had White Antler, I feel like that's what makes it strong

[wild pine]

Neat! I do like the effect a lot. Unfortunately I've been doing no-Titan Antler runs lately and keep getting offered it in Erebus and being too scared to click because I haven't found any magic pots yet

[bleak night]

If you run an aspect that enjoys not having to use mana, give it a go

[keen cosmos]

oh wow I am loving aspect of Moros* right now

[bleak night]

What're you running on it ?

[keen cosmos]

Omega Special + the exploding flames when they hit it turns it into a surprisingly strong close weapon

right now I have zeus on special and hestia on attack

plus Born Gain and hammer to speed up Omega Special channelling

wait no

Aspect of Moros not Momus

[knotty fulcrum]

for momus I had a run with poseidon's cast where it was doing almost 2k every hit

[keen cosmos]

kind of sad this is a surface run and going to end early

I already liked the torches but after the new patch they feel so much faster and smoother I love em

[robust prism]

yeah it be

[knotty fulcrum]

did you play anything other than moros?

[bleak night]

it really be

[keen cosmos]

I've played Melinoe torches some though they're kind of lackluster as an aspect

need to unlock the third still

[knotty fulcrum]

oh ok

I'll have to try eos too at some point

[robust prism]

I remember someone in feedback saying that static shock is just like a nerfed version of Zeus's chain lightning from hades I because you have to prime magick for it lmao

it's so much better

[keen cosmos]

static shock applys to specials aswell doesn't it?

I think I've seen it applying on my staff specials

[robust prism]

yes it does

while not taking up either of the core boon slots

[proven valve]

I'm a big fan of Static Shock, though what makes it better exactly? Is it because you can have another attack boon on top of it?

[spare kite]

Yeah is strikes so any weapon hit

[proven valve]

Ah gotcha, just what I thought

[spare kite]

I wouldn't call it better just cuz jolted doesn't exist tbh lmao

[proven valve]

50 Magick is a fair trade

[spare kite]

More like different purpose

[keen cosmos]

oo just got explosive intent with torches,

[spare kite]

I love that combo

[robust prism]

I've thought about how to make ionic gain better, maybe it should prime some amount of magic and give you faster magic regen based on how much total primed magick you have

so it would synergize really well with static shock instead of the current anti-synergy

[civic ocean]

Ionic gain should take 60% instead of 70% and Vow of Arrogance should be worth 1 fear

[bleak night]

I just think Panic should be worth 2 fear and have a 50% level

[plain fossil]

I thought about this a little more and my conclusion is however many ranks u give panic the max rank shouldnt be 100% as long as wheel is designed the way it is

[keen cosmos]

funeral pyre on torches right before Eris, she shall burn

[plain fossil]

If u could build around panic with wheel then thats one thing buttt

[keen cosmos]

or fire extinguisher which might be better

but I need Funeral Pyre for the fated list

oh my god, actually used my zeus cast for the first time this run and every lightning strike gets Explosive Intent

[spare kite]

Wait what

[robust prism]

wait what

[robust prism]

but I mean nah I feel like as soon as you have any sort of decent magic regen 50% is essentially as good as 100%, not really worth giving 1 fear for

[keen cosmos]

I started the fight with it and Eris immediately started melting

[spare kite]

Did you clip it

[keen cosmos]

no not recording unfortunately

I think I did overestimate the damage for a sec because I had knuckle bones but it still did really high damage the whole fight

[bleak night]

What's Explosive Intent

[keen cosmos]

its from (surface spoilers) ||Icarus||, it causes a 50 damage(?) explosion every time one of your omega attacks hit but makes them cost 10 more mana

[delicate python]

Have the devs talked about how each update is spaced?
I know we just had an update but I can't wait to see more

[orchid flax]

What's the best arkana build to go with when you want duo boons?

[civic ocean]

This works too

Panic and Arrogance should be worth the same amount of fear imo

[robust prism]

depends on your aspect I guess?

[civic ocean]

Like people always be saying stuff like "Ionic gain sucks because Arrogance primes all ur mana" but nobody says omega moves suck because Panic removes all your mana. That's because it's dumb to not take Arrogance

[bleak night]

@civic ocean @timber pawn @robust prism

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1wJ4m1u7zF/ 50 circe run video is up

doesn't seem unseeded tho

[timber pawn]

Aw bummer, nonetheless still impressive

[robust prism]

ohhh okay, I guess that makes sense

wait it definitely is in the unseeded category on the leaderboard though

[tall notch]

A lot of these runs don't seem very unseeded

[civic ocean]

Was tweaking my fear and builds gonna get back to the challenge today

I think 32 is Scars 3 territory

[silent crow]

has anyone ever said that

feel like people say it sucks bc the regen rate sucks

[robust prism]

it sucks for multiple reasons

[bleak night]

Yeah, his damage is kinda disgusting

[civic ocean]

Yeah I read it a lot here

I don't think the regen is bad for presumably very little cost if you build around it

[bleak night]

his basic attacks are doing more than mine does on Axe

[proven orbit]

I definitely do think that the max mp reduction combined with vow of arrogance is a far bigger problem for ionic gain than relatively low mp gain

[uneven palm]

The bilibili folks always seem to be doing their own crazy stuff. A lot of the speedrun community concerns like unseeded just aren’t a big deal over there. At least it was like that with H1 too

[robust prism]

nah it is just bad if you're using any somewhat expensive omega moves you basically have to use one at a time and then wait, it's extremely awkward, and it's not like arrogance is the only thing in the game that primes magic

[bleak night]

I can respect it, yeah

[proven orbit]

static shock

[robust prism]

yeah...

[bleak night]

I'll start doing my Charon spam session tomorrow so I can upload a 45 video

[tall notch]

Then their runs should at least be classified as seeded

[uneven palm]

They are, if they submit to leaderboards at all

[bleak night]

probs not really something to care about atm since it'll be wiped once EA is done. Or archived

Oooh, I see.

[robust prism]

that's cool

[modest finch]

so what's the best aspect now?

[bleak night]

oooh, can I get a link to his stream ?

[robust prism]

I don't think there's a clear best one anymore

[uneven palm]

That’s sick, but the unseeded boards require showing previous death unfortunately. TBH 50 seeded or not is crazy

[modest finch]

wouldn't it be aspect of pan?

[robust prism]

I mean if the stream vod still exists then it's no big deal, they could just make a new upload including the death

[tame spindle]

pan got nerfed heavily by the hammer nerfs

[civic ocean]

Tbf nothing about the video looks seeded it just looks like they ripped everything they wanted

[modest finch]

hookknives 😿

[zenith bolt]

to the ionic gain discussion:

ionic having issues with prime is not necessarily exclusive to vow of arrogance, though vow of arrogance is the most common form of priming. it almost seems like an intentional antisynergy for the purposes of spirit surge, because ionic gain + static shock + spirit surge sets you to 0/0 magick for the sake of spirit surge being always-on, while still giving you the benefit of static shock. obviously i can't read the developers' intentions from a few boons, but that feels decently intended

[robust prism]

it's one of the best but there are other aspects that have their own arguments for best

[modest finch]

which ones?

[bleak night]

ah, that's a shame. Guess my run being on the top is short-lived

[civic ocean]

It's cool to see other good players figure out that the staff is just a basic attack weapon tho lol

[zenith bolt]

i do think the antisynergy ionic gain has with anything that gives priming is generally net-negative on most weapons, with notable exclusions for medea and other weapons that can get away with not needing magick at all

[bleak night]

oh wait I have a WeChat account from 2018, I can use it to log into BiliBili

[robust prism]

Medea (kinda all the skull aspects really?), Moros, Charon, Thanatos?

maybe more, idrk yet

[modest finch]

I really dont like the new thanatos feels too easy

[civic ocean]

Too easy to do what

[robust prism]

I mean if they don't use magic at all then why even have a regen boon lol

[slate pecan]

wtf, no gain, attack hammer, poseidon eating all rerolls to get me attack boon instead of special, sworn flourish basically there to provide origination, still made it out of oceanus (with pan at 50 fear lol)

[modest finch]

to get the crit stacked and it's only 13% so getting hit doesnt matter much anymore

[zenith bolt]

attack pan 🔥

[robust prism]

kinda agree

[civic ocean]

Poseidon on attack 🔥

[robust prism]

I feel like it should lean more heavily into the not getting hit thing, like building the crit up slower but higher ceiling

[civic ocean]

It was much easier to stack the crit before right you'd just drop a storm ring and boom ur at 20

[zenith bolt]

or just spin and get like 10 from that alone

[robust prism]

I guess that's true also lol

[slate pecan]

almost even activated coarse grit lol, was missing 1 or 2 earth boons

[civic ocean]

It's just a better weapon now

[zenith bolt]

i like new thanatos because it forces you to use more of the weapon

[merry flint]

I like new thanatos because you don't need a gain boon to use it now

[zenith bolt]

unless you're goated in which case idk then it's just an omega spam aspect

[versed flicker]

does solar ring work with aspect of charon?

[zenith bolt]

yeah

[robust prism]

I like it too but yeah I'd probably like it more if it felt like avoiding damage actually mattered

[versed flicker]

I still have to charge the cast though right?

[robust prism]

yeah

[merry flint]

nope!

[bleak night]

can yall ping me when the 50 Than gets posted ?

[robust prism]

no? you don't have to channel it on Charon ever

[zenith bolt]

clearly the solution is to make than aspect give more crit but also give you damage vulnerability 🔥

[merry flint]

you put cast, smack it with charon omega special and BAM orbital laser

[bleak night]

I have a feeling it'll only take a few hours

[robust prism]

sure I guess that would be cool also

[tame spindle]

chinese gamers are cracked out of their minds

[versed flicker]

I meant because solar ring says, "after your omega cast expires..."

[spare kite]

New change
Using Thanatos aspect forces discordant bell

[versed flicker]

so I can just pop down the regular cast and it will still trigger?

[zenith bolt]

and charon says "your cast explodes like your omega cast"

[robust prism]

yes

[versed flicker]

true, thanks!

[zenith bolt]

which includes inheriting all omega cast-specific effects (that trigger on detonation)

[robust prism]

the only downside is that you'll have to wait a bit longer before you can place a new cast

[versed flicker]

should I try for another cast then?

[robust prism]

nah it's still very good

[zenith bolt]

solar ring is good, probably the best-in-slot for charon i think

[versed flicker]

damn ok, thanks ill pray I get it this run then

[robust prism]

I only know that apparently Charon speedruns don't use solar ring because of the additional downtime, but yeah for normal play it's probably the best one

[zenith bolt]

especially with glorious disaster

[zenith bolt]

what do they run then? i dont think there's a huge amount of options for omega cast

[robust prism]

probably just something like demeter or aphro I think

[zenith bolt]

hmm fair i suppose

[merry flint]

Hell Splitter/Dashing Heave/Unyielding Slash for Than?

[tame spindle]

well when i use charon i dont rly i use the omega cast very much at all i usually go for demeter's cyclone or freeze ones that work on normal cast and then something like hestia or zeus that lets u do ur cast from a range but idrk if thats super optimal either

[magic moss]

aye beat 32F again after 3 attempts poggers im derusting

[zenith bolt]

i tend to think of charon as the sit-back-and-nuke aspect generally, and apollo + zeus works pretty well for that

[civic ocean]

this is a fine way to play it yeah

[zenith bolt]

the 4 god pool helps here i think, less punishing for having 2 generally pretty bad gains for charon

[civic ocean]

I think Charon is a Hera start and then build into Apollo+Demeter+Zeus/Heph yeah

[eager ivy]

what have the builds been looking like for the new eos?

[robust prism]

I think aphro cast may genuinely be the best one at least for being fast with Charon

[magic moss]

probably still Hera

[versed flicker]

I rerolled a bunch on a door and found 4 gods that werent apollo, that means I cant get him this run right?

[civic ocean]

only if you take his keepsake

[spare kite]

How many gods you have boons from atm

[zenith bolt]

not sure for eos rn, i just haven't played around with it enough to form a strong opinion of what i find good on it

[versed flicker]

0 it was the second door

[spare kite]

You can still find him then

[zenith bolt]

location rerolls have a limit on what they can show i think?

[tame spindle]

aphro cast is crazy u can group all the enemies together and kill them all immediately

[versed flicker]

oh is it locked to 4 after you claim 4?

[spare kite]

Rerolls have some sort of bag system correct

[spare kite]

Take boon = added to pool yeah

[magic moss]

ive tested a bit and personally i actually like demeter cuz the aoe freeze has crazy util + origination for dmg, but hera can also work for the high dmg or apollo for higher aoe for the omega atk

[spare kite]

Once you take 4 those get locked in

[civic ocean]

I cut origination for Artificer so I can get Queen on Charon

[versed flicker]

also, how do you unlock the incantation to see boons in your book? I saw a reddit post and noone had a clear answer for how to unlock the incantation

[bleak night]

the 50 Circe guy has a livestream going rn if you want the link. My rudimentary Mandarin is doing wonders lol

[spare kite]

All god keepsakes + one of the "pick up all boons prophecy" I think? (Aka gift 2 nectars to a god)

[magic moss]

i cut origination and huntress for strength and wayward, personal choice

[charred lintel]

i unlocked it after beating chronos twice

[slate pecan]

i used to underestimate demeter severely. she's op

[bleak night]

Hiya, it's this one right? https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1wJ4m1u7zF/

[hollow stag]

Is Moros Flame possibly the strongest (and fastest) weapon in the game?

Its attacks does so much damage, though it relies on Magick unlike Medea skulls.

[bleak night]

He's running Than 32 rn

[zenith bolt]

it's something like getting every olympian's keepsake

[charred lintel]

k ignore this

[civic ocean]

gift every olympian once and one twice or smth like that

[magic moss]

short answer no, long answer moros requires a much riskier playstyle where you have to balance your attack and omega special. Other top tier weapons like Pan or Medea are incredibly simple in their overall gameplan but moros requires much more awareness and micromanagement. Is it a bad weapon? No. Does it have the potential to be incredibly strong and fast? Yes. However, there is a much smaller room for error

[bleak night]

interesting

This guy is playing Than in a way I haven't thought of before. Demeter Cast + Advancing Whirl

[zenith bolt]

is advancing whirlwind actually usable nowadays

[charred lintel]

is that the build where your cast has a whirlwind and the cast follows you

[bleak night]

watch the stream, he's playing in a way that's foreign to me

[charred lintel]

its hilarious

[magic moss]

also anyone else got their fears reset completely on every weapon? or is that just me

[hollow stag]

I like that you can move, and dash while attacking with Moros.

Its Omega Attack doesn’t get cancelled after you dash.

[bleak night]

Makes sense, yeah

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/816193840130031616/1249041164406100059/image.png?ex=6665dbbb&is=66648a3b&hm=bf1105a2543e0f9b7ac992eb2ade7cd12c603ed6f6cfd8195562570697fff390&

XD

[ionic moon]

wasn't it bugged to only add +1% crit on the old than? now you stack with normal attacks so there shouldn't be any issues with advancing any more

[zenith bolt]

not really what i meant

like yes that was a problem but it's more the fact that it locked you in place with no protection

[civic ocean]

It's good if ur goated with it probs

[spare kite]

You can dash cancel it now iirc

[bleak night]

He's freezing enemies with Dem Cast and using advancing whirl from relative safety. He doesn't even have an attack boon or Spiteful Strength

[zenith bolt]

socially distanced spinning

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1249041732230709301/image.png?ex=6665dc43&is=66648ac3&hm=ac5d30465a1b2f510077c168f01cea0b3f534a28a243089130b7df206eaf020c&

[proven orbit]

Tbf if you aren't gonna use social distancing advantage from advancing whirl then no wonder it feels bad

[civic ocean]

freezer wheezer

[hollow stag]

I would love Medea Skulls more if I can get the hammer that fires off Omega Attack upon skull retrieval.

[inner ivy]

daybreaker damage counts as attack damage yea?

[zenith bolt]

it is your attack, so yeah

[inner ivy]

with aphro att, would it need to be close to me or the orb itself

[zenith bolt]

the enemy would need to be close to you i believe

[inner ivy]

aight ty

oh right, does aromatic vial work on rare boons if you have no commons

[magic moss]

is that the keepsake where fountain upgrades common to higher rank?

[zenith bolt]

no, it only works on common boons

for better or worse

[inner ivy]

oh ok ty, cause the god keepsakes work on commons despite the wording

[magic moss]

it does say upgrades COMMON

[wicked rivet]

man i just realized they nerfed moon water hard and now i have to actually get good

[zenith bolt]

it's still pretty good

it's just 35 healing 5 times instead of 45 healing 5 times with 1 path of stars

*slightly exaggerated but generally my point stands

[tame spindle]

i had not realised there was a change it still does what it needs to do

[robust prism]

wait they kept the path of stars upgrades at +10 each?

[wicked rivet]

yea just a less meaningfull amount

[robust prism]

probably should have made it 5 tbh

[zenith bolt]

yeah

[steel sequoia]

they wanna give "options" but its really unbalanced imo

[zenith bolt]

i still don't like hexes but i think they'd fundamentally have to work differently for me to not dislike them

they have more use-cases than they did before which is good enough

[wicked rivet]

i mean theyre basically calls, just weirder

[robust prism]

I really like the concept on paper but a lot of them still feel a little bit meh

[zenith bolt]

the issue is dropping 2+ major finds for them is like, do i think that that's more worthwhile than the alternative

[sour cape]

Hexes prob better than magick a lotta times

[tame spindle]

yeahhh it feels like the hexes are like okay but they do different versions of the same kind of thing and only like 2 (out of like 6) are good and also idk just more boring and less diverse than the calls in the first game

[zenith bolt]

not a high bar

[sour cape]

Or Poms, Poms lower value in H2

[zenith bolt]

nah i think poms are worth taking :/

[steel sequoia]

yeah but you gotta spent mana to use them and most of them dont really help much since you dont have a good progression and you gotta stop doing your build stuff to do them, also worthless in chrono, so designflawled so far IMO. Selene its like Onions so far.

[tame spindle]

poms are great still

[sour cape]

I only like Poms for casts

[magic moss]

damn ok for some reason my fears are constantly being reset

[zenith bolt]

at least, if my option is between pom and selene, i'm not spending a location reroll to get something else

[spare kite]

Nodes being randomized in hexes is also quite annoying

[magic moss]

like my highest fear clear is constantly being reset to 0

[steel sequoia]

yeah, this is a pretty bad downside

[wicked rivet]

fair, the only one i really use is the healing one

[zenith bolt]

not to mention the hexes themselves being random

with no rerolls, unless im mistaken?

[sour cape]

Dark Side still is useless

[robust prism]

it depends, it can be

[steel sequoia]

howl is good now but than they are not intuitive into the main build you do

[spare kite]

Yeah can't reroll hexes

[sour cape]

Idk why they didnt make Dark Side at least as damaging as Poseidon clal

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/816193840130031616/1249046470661898300/image.png?ex=6665e0ac&is=66648f2c&hm=a7ead4acd122b3ef6472e70a4fe6436666fad78af5d2110e970045a219c4aa79&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/816193840130031616/1249046470934397129/image.png?ex=6665e0ac&is=66648f2c&hm=0569e952813bfff3fc0ff5e6969b509adfbd19b1cce608e892891bb324ea4bdf&

[sour cape]

Rip no clear

[magic moss]

like bruh

[zenith bolt]

so there's like extra speculative value there because there's no way of knowing whether you're going to roll into the hexes you want or if you're gonna be stuck with dark side polymorph and wolf howl

[sour cape]

Highest fear 0 👀

[proven orbit]

Fearless

[sour cape]

Wolf Howl looks potential

[zenith bolt]

wolf howl is kinda slander, it's not the worst

[spare kite]

Wolf howl is sick

[sour cape]

40 is super cheap 😔

Dark Side was nerfed too

[steel sequoia]

wofl howl is actually good now

[zenith bolt]

just imagine wolf howl is the crescent moon pick there 👍

[bleak night]

Circe 50 guy is doing another Circe run

[magic moss]

wolf howl imo is the best selene hex if you running any mana using weapon

[robust prism]

I mean there's only like 7 of them, if you had rerolls you would get the same one every single time

[dusty sapphire]

dark side nerf was totally inexplicable

[magic moss]

40 is incredibly cheap and its both a get away option and iframes once in the air

[zenith bolt]

dammit i should have said lunar ray

[robust prism]

which would be very anti-roguelike

[dusty sapphire]

I didn't even realize it was nerfed until it was far too late

[steel sequoia]

lunar ray is disgusting bad

[sour cape]

Lunar Ray should just have sentry by default

[zenith bolt]

because lunar ray also got nerfed !! somewhat (the fire-on-its-own node got made into a purple iirc?)

[steel sequoia]

yup like dem lasers

[sour cape]

true yeA!

The Sentry upgrades now purple

[tame spindle]

has he tried than 50 yet?

[spare kite]

Total eclipse can be funny
And once again if the impervious node shows up lmfoa

[sour cape]

Although it also seems bugged that past first ray, it seems to fire immediately

[tame spindle]

how far did he get and what was his build for it

[zenith bolt]

dark side and lunar ray getting nerfed meanwhile moon water got a goddamn slap on the wrist and total eclipse like, didn't change

[robust prism]

eh it still got buffed overall since the magic req is a lot lower

[spare kite]

Phase shift feels like the most fun so far tbh, chronos aside

[sour cape]

Phase Shift is my fav

[spare kite]

On its own is already neat and has fun nodes

[sour cape]

Yep yep

gotta go fast 👀👀

[tame spindle]

whats phase shift again?

[zenith bolt]

time slow

[sour cape]

The slow time, and you can outzoom Eris

[tame spindle]

ahh

[steel sequoia]

whats the morph creatures name? cant remember

[zenith bolt]

idfk i have picked that one like twice ever

[sour cape]

Morph is also pretty terrible

[spare kite]

Phase shift is my go to on torches tbh, can't use wolf howl's crit

[zenith bolt]

actually it's twilight curse i just brained

[tame spindle]

i feel like it depends a bit on what the epic paths are because there can be crazy ones but the fact it doesnt work on chronos makes me a bit iffy

[tame mulch]

hey which gods are nice to go with mel torch aspect?

[steel sequoia]

i like morph lmao, help with idiot stuff like hippos

[sour cape]

The revive a minions actually good now

[spare kite]

Morph has the funny "enemies tp to cast" at least

[zenith bolt]

night bloom has funny situations

[sour cape]

Since it got the "minions are permanent" upgrade

[spare kite]

Night bloom is neat

[wicked rivet]

game wants me to do a demeter only run

[zenith bolt]

that always existed

[sour cape]

Oh

Well you can keep up a Satyr or bag vs Chronos and thats kinda free win

Or punchy guy vs Cerb

[zenith bolt]

hoplite vs chronos and mourner vs cerberus are the notable cases for night bloom

[magic moss]

imo my selene tier list
S: Twilight Curse, Wolf Howl, Night Bloom
A: Moon Water, Phase Shift
B: Dark Side
C: Total Eclipse
D: Lunar Ray

[tame spindle]

can u still kill ur own summons

[bleak night]

yes

[tame spindle]

thats what really turned me off of the summons thing

[merry flint]

yeah but they're stupid tanky

[zenith bolt]

pls explain total eclipse below dark side to me

[robust prism]

the minions should just be permanent by default tbh, maybe the upgrade could instead be to allow multiple minions at the same time

[spare kite]

I've never killed my own summon

[merry flint]

the problem is that they block stuff both ways

[sour cape]

Also its hard to tell hwat attacis by them

[merry flint]

I have but a good elite summon will take Solar Rings to the face

[sour cape]

or hostile attacks 😔

[magic moss]

200 mana realistically isnt achievable in high heat runs unless you have insane mana gen or born gain

[zenith bolt]

hmm fair

[sour cape]

You can cut that down though

[spare kite]

Doesn't dark side just get you stabbed in an alley at fury 2 (or lose time with its wet paper attacks)

[robust prism]

I don't think it would be op or anything but it would be fun to have your private army in fields lmao

[merry flint]

how helpful is morph hex now? only used it once for prophecy then never clicked it

[sour cape]

They did make Dark Side cast faster

[tame spindle]

idk im always treating my hex as a lil something on the side i drop down and then keep playing as normal and esp bc they look exactly the same as enemy summons except for a lil pink hp bar i sometimes just slam them with my whirlwind or casts

[magic moss]

crazy strong imo

[sour cape]

So got that going for it

[merry flint]

what do you do with it

[spare kite]

Sometimes I take hexes just for midnight oil

[tame spindle]

how do u get the most dps out of dark side?

[spare kite]

One of the less whatever hermes boons

[sour cape]

You kinda dont, hold down left click is the best dps but not good

[robust prism]

by getting the upgrade for it to use your attack/special boon, but the main selling point is just the invulnerability I think

[sour cape]

can kinda use it to clear out like swarms of weak enemies since it does pierce

[tame spindle]

fair enough is the use case just last second dodging attacks?

[sour cape]

yea except you can be hit during the cast animation

[spare kite]

How fast does it even activate now

[magic moss]

its cheap cost means if you are running any mana weapon you can realistically use it per room at least once, meaning at least one enemy is put out of action that you dont need to worry about. Its upgrades are crazy powerful as well

[sour cape]

pretty fast, Chronos gets maybe 1 hit on you rather than just killing you

[robust prism]

yeah that's definitely annoying, probably shouldn't be the case

[sour cape]

[spare kite]

That doesn't sound ideal

[magic moss]

when Morph was 10 enemies at 100, it was actually pretty bad but now that its 5 at 50 its so much stronger

[sour cape]

Its. not

[crystal ore]

whats the easiest way to do 32 heat currrently

[tame spindle]

u could still probably do the same with ur cast though right? i feel like ur attacks and specials have to do the same damage as ur regular attacks but just maybe at a slower rate bc at is it doesnt sound useful at all

[robust prism]

yeah definitely

I like how you can just sheep the minibosses lmao

[spare kite]

Some of the hexes being able to "lesser call" them like H1 would be nice tbh

[sour cape]

Yea, but sometimes gotta dodge too and clear without risk idk

[magic moss]

idk prob pan poseidon if i were to guess

[sour cape]

I think Moros torch?

[magic moss]

moros is torch

[tame spindle]

32 can be done a bunch of diff ways tbh id start with speed and timer on and then slowly ramp up all the damage or health or other vows until ur comfortable (or just put them all at max until ur at 32 and go for it)

[sour cape]

The ghost explosions do like a billion dmg rn

[spare kite]

Mel skull is pretty comfy (I think)

[crystal ore]

I've done up to 24 atm

[sour cape]

Pans good yep

[magic moss]

yeah i would recommend either pan or any one of the skulls

[robust prism]

Persephone is also a good one for 32 I'd say

lots of safety

[magic moss]

what weapon are you most comfortable with rn?

[crystal ore]

ive tried poseidon pan and not had great results tbh

[magic moss]

thats perfectly fine

[crystal ore]

maybe i havent gotten the best hammers

[sour cape]

Pan hammers were nerfed a lot

so prob thats why not as simple anymore 🤔

Charon axe is super strong though and a lot more comfy than pre patch

[magic moss]

i beat pan poseidon 32F with no special hammers lmao

[tame spindle]

i thought pan isnt great anymore after hook knives nerf but thats j what i heard i only rly do axe or staff

[sour cape]

Its still strong imo

[magic moss]

check out those hammers bro, all attack hammers

[tame spindle]

charon axe is super safe

[robust prism]

yeah Pan is still very good

[sour cape]

But Charons got a hard time with blue shields

[magic moss]

can just disable rebuke and enable suffering

[sour cape]

Yea

Suffering very annlying if no Heph though

Pan doesnt care much bout Rebuke

[magic moss]

WARNING, BLOOD AND SUFFERING INDIVIDUALLY ARE FINE, DO NOT ENABLE BOTH IF YOU ARE NEW TO 32, YOU WILL DIE

[somber flame]

Does anyone have tips for getting through the mourning fields?

[bleak night]

all of the Axes do tbf

[zenith bolt]

so does skull unless im mistaken

[sour cape]

Trueee maybe Than is fine?

[robust prism]

I think than is fine with blue shields

[bleak night]

I'd still rather run Onion in UW than run blue hearts

[robust prism]

nahhhhhh

[bleak night]

speaking of runs, they made me a profile on the leaderboard https://hades2-fear-run.vercel.app/Profiles/Myntkaramell

[tame spindle]

according to foolish rebuke sucks and should never be turned on until like 40

[sour cape]

Skull I imagine would to, cept maybe Persephone

[robust prism]

oh that's cool!

[simple swan]

Hello Gamers I have been going for a successful 32 Fear on the surface and I am having A Rough Go Of It lately. I am using the Pan aspect of the blades Lim & Oros, but struggle to clear Ephyra in a timely fashion. Does anyone have some Tips or Recommendations for getting a 32 Fear clear on the surface?

[zenith bolt]

what timer are you running? 7?

[bleak night]

Might have to increase the timer to 9/area and swap it for something else like damage. I have a hard time doing 32+ on the surface with a timer

[spare kite]

Yeah, just asked them in discussion

[simple swan]

Yes

[tame spindle]

also the revenants and extra foes per encounter vows (i got yelled at by him for having it on😭)

[sour cape]

Its pretty easy for Pan to handle, Foolish mains Medea

[magic moss]

unironically just disable timer if speed is your limiting factor and turn on another thing of blood or smthing but play a lot more patiently

[sour cape]

Which yea suffers a lot with Rebuke

[zenith bolt]

valid opinion tbh

[robust prism]

personally for my 32 surface pan win I turned off the timer entirely and turned on the onion instead

[bleak night]

I hate Revenants so much lol

[tame spindle]

he's run most aspects 32 fear iirc and that's just a general thing hes said

[tired fulcrum]

Same

[bleak night]

Ananas I'm able to upload my runs now

[tame spindle]

YIPPEE

[sour cape]

It does absorb a lot of damage for clearing but Id have rebuke before Blood or Revs

[magic moss]

clearing in 20 min is impressive yes, but clearing in 50 min is equally as good. At the end of the day clearing 32 fear is a feat that requires a lot of time and effort, so dont feel pressured to play with a timer on

[viral swift]

i cant beat cronos whats the weapon guys:(

[zenith bolt]

i avoid them like the plague tbh

[sour cape]

https://imgur.com/9kbN4bC

Heres what I recommend for going for statue 🙏

[zenith bolt]

suffering over blood is an interesting opinion unless you're just married to heph

[sour cape]

You can do Commotion or Panic stead of 9 min timer if want

And yes, plan is just grab Trusty Shield

[civic ocean]

Yeah they just gamble for heph

[bleak night]

Onion is so free on the surface, so this is fair

[magic moss]

remove timer and fury 2 and enable more mobs if you want an easier surface run, fury 2 poly is a whole different monster

[sour cape]

Your goal is just to win, and Blood is always dangerous, Suffering does a lot less after Trusty

[zenith bolt]

fury 2 eris is kinda messed up too

[bleak night]

she is kinda funny tho

[sour cape]

Truee but Hestia dash helps a lot

[magic moss]

for eris yes, poly doesnt care and will stomp your soul

[sour cape]

And yea if no timer, can do Panic or Commotion 1

[tired fulcrum]

Ig if going timer 1 can force both hestia and heph

[sour cape]

Yea... Poly is prob very difficult yea

[zenith bolt]

poly you just thug that _ out

[sour cape]

I lost 2 DDs to him 💀

[bleak night]

I hate Polyphemus

[robust prism]

I think I did with fury 2 as well, but haunting on, no timer and no dominance

[zenith bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/948291306847871086/1247557480955908177/attachment.gif?ex=6665bbf1&is=66646a71&hm=9c87e3aab16abcc0e165d40aca8de7c1d0c7cb1afeaa4f9c1539dc4ae154b40e&

[bleak night]

I was doing a 45 Than Surface run and he kicked a wave into me and did 117 damage

[tired fulcrum]

why am i the only one that doesnt hate poly

[robust prism]

also blood instead of suffering

[simple swan]

Polyphemus is kinda rough

[versed flicker]

How did born gain bait me so hard im never picking it up again horrible boon

[tired fulcrum]

45 things

[civic ocean]

Just go scars 3 and 7 minute timer and turn off either suffering completely or all of the bulk fear

[robust prism]

I don't really do either

[magic moss]

i dont hate poly, just think fury 2 poly is disgustingly difficult for an area 1 boss

[magic moss]

this is a take of all time

[robust prism]

I mean surface is kinda meant to be harder than underworld

[zenith bolt]

<----- has not done a surface run since the patch
i dont hate poly i hate the sheep

[spare kite]

You are getting pinged by everyone in 3 seconds

[sour cape]

At least his sheep were nerfed

[tired fulcrum]

I die more to hecate but thats also like 99% due to timer

[simple swan]

Do you think Polyphemus wild get nerfed once we have area 3?

[civic ocean]

https://brilliant.org/landing/math-learning-adults/?semlink=calculus&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=search&utm_term=__&utm_content=_&utm_campaign=15515658418_Mixed_Performance_Max&gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-6LktcTMhgMVQSytBh1TmwZ_EAAYASAAEgIjNvD_BwE

[versed flicker]

I primed everything in the first phase of chronos and had to rely on attacks on my charon run

[tired fulcrum]

His adds could get nerfed to not have armor in phase 2 ig

[robust prism]

???? how much max magic did you have

[versed flicker]

135 I think

[zenith bolt]

i think by then you can just burst him down

[sour cape]

I am 90% confident Poly and Eris will be eating nerfs once new area is oit

[bleak night]

WHAT